##VIDEO ID:zzGGbfxgx2o## [Music] hold on are you good [Music] juster for [Music] all right here we go please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance United States stand na good evening this regular meeting of the township council is being held in accordance with the schedule of the meetings of the township Council established and adopted by the township Council which schedule designated the time and date and place of this meeting adequate Public Notices meeting has been provided pursu to the provision of the open public meetings act we are using electronic amplifying and recording device in order to detain a clear and audible record and request all those wishing speak be recognized and state your name address directly to the microphone the recording device be Solly utilized by a Township clerk's office for the preparation men and shall be the official record of the township Council meetings M the vote call please Mr mon here Mrs Al Trel here Mrs Grace L she's on vacation I'm sorry Mr Nash here Mrs Walters here Mrs wers here Mr marado present Mr carier he is there Mr ctis here Chief Harkins here Mr mcel here before we go to the public portion there is a walk on and addendum resolution 24829 it's on the bulletin board there this is a resolution authorizing the execution of a sidebar agreement to the collective negotiations agreement between the township of bler and the Teamsters Union Local 500 Teamsters Union Local 500 is the bargaining unit for the sewer utility employees uh Mr cartis had met met with representatives of the teamers and also the SE utility employees and uh their attorney and this is providing a offer of continued employment to all the employees that are existing with the present Teamsters Local 500 executed agreement in the event of a sale of a seral utilities approved by the voters on November 24th excuse me November 2024 referendum so in essence everyone who's working there now will continue to be employed by the township under this agreement is there anything else you want to add to that Mr cars no all right thank you very much so that'll be placed on our agenda at the end of the consent agenda We Now open up the public portion this is for agenda items only anyone addressing Council may speak one time they're entitled three minutes a piece once all those wishing to address Council have had the turns they may address Council second time only if it adds to what was said earlier not repeating earlier statements uh there are 15 minutes allocated for the first public portion anyone like to speak Mr leader David leader 1105 Huntington Avenue glendor um how does one find the advertisements for the um Bob's Del sordo sale of the township property is there a newsletter or something is that the advertisements for his services or for the auction for the auction that's what for the yeah for I wanted to see what's that auction okay they're in The Courier Post and also in the clerk's office correct thank you and uh I'm a little conc are you going to vote to approve 298 tonight yes so it hasn't been publicly seen I don't have a copy here we placed it on is a add-on it's been there Fridays and AD okay it it's the way you worded it it's just hard to comprehend why American Water wouldn't want the town's expertise they still have the options sir to continue employment with bler Township or seek employment with American Water I option absolutely all right thank you thank you is there anyone else seeing them oh M smithman sorry about that hello good evening Council Miss SMI my name is reason why you mov the microphone you know it seems as though the placement of chairs in this um section has been U moved forward some so I didn't want to crowd anybody in the public participating so I I moved the microphone a little bit further away so when you're done can you move it back to where it was thank if that's a request of course thank you my name is sha smithman I live in the SDK Milbridge Gardens apartment complex on milbrook Court Apartment 341 good evening Council on the resolution 248 291 yes may I ask what is that what is the application that you're making to the state you're making application to receive the grant or to increase it or to put more specifics as to what you were to apply it for this is an application that is done on a yearly basis on behalf of the township it helps fund the lead program and there's some additional things Che that it goes to our jakata which is some of the uh it's the governor's Council on uh addiction alcohol and drug abuse and use that on emotional items uh to offset some of the expenses of our family resource may I ask uh how many liquor licenses are available in the township of Gloucester or maybe more specifically to the city of Blackwood that the Gloucester Township municipality resides in since Gloucester Township is a is a vast Township and it goes through many cities and towns and Burrows within Camy county is it is it um a common or knowable knowledge right now to know how many liquor licenses are available or have been given within the we I live in the city of clemon New Jersey but since this municipality is located physically in the city of Blackwood how many liquor licenses do you have I only ask because if you're making the the resolution for against alcohol and drug abuse once or twice a year liquor licenses were filled up mostly the agenda there were several pages of them for the amount that were distributed throughout glester Township more specifically to the clementin side of Gloucester Township further down into the Blackwood area especially where uh you have the Beer Fest at least once a year correct yes so there I I can't give you off the top of my head that's something that the clerk can provide to you uh I mean approximately 10 20 I can't tell you that off the top of my head but I will tell you this that part of this uh funding goes to a lead program so if you recall when we were children there was a dare program I remember the D program yes so it's it's change name similar to that and this so this is educating our elementary school students and our middle school students about the dangers of alcohol oh I I I appreciate that the Township participates in making precautions against alcohol and drug abuse it's just there was so many liquor licenses that were distributed um so freely none were none were barred or barriered in any way thank you m SM is there anyone else like to speak Miss coin Denise coin choose Landing do you want me to move this back sure thank you um resolution 295 can you tell us what this is for the 10 lot major subdivision is that 10 single family homes 10 lots of town homes what is that I believe they are single family homes [Music] where single family homes and do you know who's building those or who's requesting to build this I don't have that I I don't have the name of the Builder here hold on one [Music] second that's the other one I'm sorry I apologize Romano Holdings okay thank you is there any else would like to speak that's not spoken yet anyone else like to speak we still have some time left on the first public portion see n we'll close first portion we have [Music] a proposal from pet and Associates regard regarding uh Engineering Services for the Timber Cove Park uh a resurface of the tennis and court and basketball court uh so this will it's a we obtained a local Recreation Improvement Grant to retrofit the existing tennis court to a combination tennis pickle ball court and to resurface the existing tennis and baseball courts with asphalt overlay and apply acrylic surface with court stripings and markings uh pett group is our recreational engineer so I need a straw p to approve this uh in the cost of $12,500 for design bid construction and meetings and conferences regarding this project I have a motion please I'll make that motion I'm sorry Paul straw pole I'm sorry we don't need that straw pole Mr Man yes Mrs auy Troxel yes Mr Nash yes Mrs Walters yes Mrs wers yes Mr marado yes next is uh our wave the reading accept the minutes Workshop Workshop session July 8th 2024 and the regular session July 8th 2024 and July 22nd 2024 may have a motion please make that motion is there a second thank you on the question roll call please Mr Man yes Mrs Albert roxel yes Mr n yes Mrs Walters yes Mrs wyers yes Mr Mar yes next is ordinance first reading and introduction there will be a hearing at it at the second reading ordinance 0-24 D20 Z ordinance amending chapter 81- 32A of the code of the township at Gloucester entitled vehicles and traffic of the code of the township of bler this addresses section 81- 32A designated as do not block the box and it's hereby amended as follows the following locations are hereby amended as do not block the Box locations name a Street Blackwood clemon Road at the location of the Blackwood fire department exit and almanon Road at the location of the BL Blenheim fire department exit may I have a motion please I'll make that motion on the question roll call please Mr Man yes Mrs Al roxel yes Mr Nash yes Mrs Walters yes Mrs wyers yes Mr MC yes next is our consent agenda any council member like to have any of the items removed please speak up hearing none I retain a motion to accept the consent agenda as presented make that motion second on the question roll call please Mr Min yes Mrs Al Troxel yes Mr Nash yes Mrs Walters yes Mrs wers Mr Mar yes next resolution 248-295-9195 on the question roll call please Mr Man yes Mrs Albert roel yes Mr Nash yes Mrs Walters yes Mrs wers yes Mr MC yes Mr cars thank you for your work on that I do appreciate it welcome uh we have one GTE go access email this is from Monica Hudson at 102 Elaine Avenue in Blackwood is there anything the council can do to improve the safety of pedestrians at East Railroad Avenue and West Church Street crosswalk this crosswalk is a part of the walking trail I'm an active person who likes to walk and was a lated to find a trail next to my new home back in 2020 today I do not hold that same feeling for the trail num numerous times even with children at that specific crosswalk I have almost been hit by a speeding driver who ignores the flashing lights they yield to pedestrian signs and actual people trying to cross the street more recently during a walk on the trail a speeding vehicle had to Swerve to avoid hitting myself and my spouse when I yelled that the sign clearly shows pedestrians had the right away the passenger of the vehicle that almost struck us exited said vehicle and punched me in the face the driver also exited the vehicle and stated that there were not at a crosswalk that she doesn't see a stop sign as you can see our community members are not only at risk for being struck by a speeding driver but also the risk of being involved in a road rage incident that could end bad I look forward to your response and actions towards improving safety thank you for your time Miss hotson I'm sorry that you were struck in the face um it's unfortunate uh today the business administrator met today with the mayor the police chief and the township engineer to discuss solutions for the situation the township engineer along with the police look into the issue and propose a solution to address the safety concern that leads us to our second public portion this is for 30 minutes each speaker is allocated five minutes once someone has spoken they may speak again once everyone else has spoken uh Mr paor good evening Council Ray paor from the historic village of Ariel good evening I have one generic question to ask I don't know if there's a definite yes or no answer to it um because it involves uh another town that that has a similar Sports situation we do would there be any reason that our town would have any of our recreational facilities locked like the hockey ranks basketball courts baseball when not in use by the organizations would there be any reason that our Township would lock the residents out of them M car is that something you address I yeah I mean I have to look into it R um again had known I would have checked with Bill to see what the what's going on there I don't I don't know what they're locking if they're locking the I've not seen it in our Township stands obviously they're going to be locked but like I'm thinking just like most t h would they lock the rink so no one can get in there I don't know they have not and as a matter of fact I utilized it during the off time and I was getting ready for a tournament recently so they were very accommodating it was just like I said just and then the fields at bu attention community park there really is no way to lock those no I didn't I didn't think so it just and I'll talk to Bel but does does it happen um we had three baseball guys here and I tell you I was involved with kuas the fields were locked on occasions because there was fear of the fields being torn up uh kids bikes and everything I don't know about you Jim M GT yeah they were locked but then it was advised that the C grass couldn't get in there yeah I get it keep lock off that was just a throwaway question uh on my major topics uh so last time I was here I threw out some numbers uh regarding the outlay of uh investment that New Jersey American Water would put out to procure our sewage system I gave numbers which would appear to be what it would take for them to get their investment back without any interest to the freeholders no one disagreed or proved me wrong with any of those numbers and so either those numbers are dead on or the possibility is that they may do a pooling where other towns will pay for uh New Jersey American Waters outlay of all that money to Gloucester Township we'll be enriched while you will be enriched with $143 million and $90 million infrastructure Improvement and the rest of other areas will pay for that this being the beginning of New Jersey American W is venture to procure these types of situations will mean that as they begin to absorb more towns and they lay a lot of money out we will be paying for that in the future as well so there's really no way that our bills are not going up one way or another they're going to go up so you guys have been stating that mayor mayor in his capacity as mayor has not participated in any way in this project I'd like to know from the administration we only have one representative of that have you dealt with or has anyone in our Administration dealt with David R mayor uh of New Jersey American water and or any of his subordinates during this uh this deal that was a question for the administration it was but I'm I have to direct it towards you I have not dealt with David Mayer involving any of this or any of his subordinates there are from New Jersey American Water I've dealt with individuals from uh New Jersey americ water obviously through the bidding process and communication after the bid okay if I may move on I got two more and then I won't have to get back up which would please everybody so uh vote Yes G township.com is a website encouraging people to vote yes there's a lot of real fuzzy and funny information on there uh just so happens you can't find out who owns that website the fact that it mentioned that our taxes will go down um I keep taxes in check but Le me to believe that that's not something New Jersey American Water put up because they have new business talking about our taxes therefore do you have any knowledge as to who what pack in best of your knowledge is respons responsible for this website that is encouraging people to vote Yes for their bills to go skyrocketing for somebody else to own our Su that American Water uh website it is not funded by and they're talking about our taxes that seems like it's none of their business that is their website thank you for that information and I really appreciate that Orlando uh I guess my last question is uh M uh towards Council president if I may ask uh Miss Troxel who was not here for that vote how she would have voted uh on that particular uh second reading of the uh cell to so moving forward if M Trel wants to answer that she I would have voted yes because I feel that the people in this Township have the opportunity it's important for them to have the opportunity whether they want to vote it down or up okay and all the work was done by you guys to put that on the referendum thank you for you guys did all you you dissolved the MUA you put it up for bid now you're putting it in hands of the people and all the work was already done sold it's sold that I was just interested in how you would already sold I'm sorry you're telling me you're telling me it's already sold no no no it's just you're telling me something no all the work all the work is done for the sale when the beginning it was already dissolved by this body and that's all thank you for your time and uh I hope not have to get up again miss smithman hi good evening Council my name is Shaun C smithman I live in the SD K Norridge Gardens apartment complex on milbrook Court Apartment 341 um it did in the announcement at the beginning of this meeting it said that the time date of this meeting is recorded but it was not announced no I said it was adequately uh advertised the time the meeting of this place is it announced during the meeting what the day is no it's at the top of the agenda is it possible to get it um verbatim not consider it thank you what is today's date for this meeting today is Monday August 26 20124 thank you very much president Marcado um would it be a bother to announce what the last week's meeting was scheduled uh as I recollect it was August the 8th 2024 the last meeting correct the last 10 two weeks ago the TW it was the 12th of August our last meeting here we had a meeting on a Monday following the August 8th meeting oh there was an additional meeting no it was a regular scheduled meeting we meet on the second and fourth Mondays of the month thank you for clarifying that um on my walk here on Kelly driver Road I live in the SDK milford's Gardens apartment complex I'm a pedestrian I travel via Kelly driver Road at the intersection of a street called conoga uh there appeared to be damage to um part of the it would seem to appear be a light pole uh there was a a loose wire hanging it seemed as though it had been there I don't know if possibly possibly it was a hit and run like if somebody hit it did not call it in there was no debris other than the the damage hind pole was anything was anybody made aware of that no con kind of kind light pole that's correct it looked your way home Miss Smith is it possible there are uh numbers I identify that light pole I I just gave the intersection the numbers are reliable the closest intersection is Kelly Dera road and conoga it is on the southbound side of Kelly driver road I'll have someone check it thank you Chief there did appear to be a wire yeah there did appear to be some type of cable on the ground if the very least it would be considered a tripping Hazard I have still been trying with much difficulty to get some kind of assistance with a possible fraud involving a crime against the federal government and the state of New Jersey um may I ask is it since a lot of my inquisitions like am I trying to seek assistance in some form from the municipality or the local cler chionship police department has there been any complaints against myself my name is sha C smithman I live in the SDK milge Gardens apartment complex on milbrook Court Apartment 341 has there been any complaints made against Myself by anyone in this Township either by the employees of this Township or by other local citizens members of the public is a yes or no question I have not received any complaints regarding you would you mind asking the local police municipality they would be aware of that also I have no idea what she's talking about okay thank you would he be required to make me aware if anybody had in any form made a complaint against me Sean C smithman if they did not know my name where I reside in the SDK Milbridge Gardens apartment complex apartment 341 located on milbrook Court I'm not aware of their required to inform you could you please ask the chief of police everybody works for him she was the target of a criminal investigation there's no requirement to inform no I mean any complaints against other common citizens of any form I would like to be aware I don't want to upset anyone that's a question well miss smithman I'm befuddled by your line of questioning here I'll be honest with you is there any I don't know comment is there any complaint of any we have no complaints against Miss SMI you you have I'm he has addressed me either no one has Miss Smith well in an official manner through the local gler CH Police Department the chief has responded to it no he did not I answered your question there's no requirement if you are a target of a criminal investigation to inform you not a criminal investigation a complaint of we only deal with criminal investigations in the police department how would somebody find out if they were involved in a criminal investigation the only information I was made aware of is that there was a fraud allegation case that I opened and it was opened and closed without my participation in any form other than to give all the evidence and paperwork to show that there is possible fraud missa thank you for your time is there anyone else would like to speak Mr leader David leader 1105 Huntington Avenue glendor on August 8th the um meeting we the special meeting we held was to be uh an unlimited time in five minute segment president of the council uh chose to choose left side right side of the room people raised their hand he acknowledged them and people SP spoke myself included towards the end of that if you check the video at 2 hours and 57 minutes uh you'll see the president of the council asking if anybody else wanted to speak I had my hand raised the president of the council acknowledged two women in the back of the room and ignored me uh when those people were done speaking the president of the council closed the discussion in the meeting M I sat there for a minute and I heard the gavel and I said wait a minute I'm still here I have my hand up I have my hand up when he called for this side of the room it's come to my attention that U that the president of the council ignored my First Amendment right to speak I said twice I demand to be heard each time you had an opportunity to say what are you talking about Mr leader you said nothing other than you needed to move on with reading the resolution so the second time I said I demand to be heard if you had asked me I would have said you're bridging my second amendment First Amendment rights to address redress my government with grievances but you never asked and every just sat here and saying why is that idiot yelling I demand to be heard well that's why I was yelling I have a First Amendment right to be heard and you a bridge that Mr President may I respond to you Mr yes sir if you go back and watch the video this side of the room after I say anyone would like to speak here and then this side of the room there was two individuals you and Mr shuck from wuk and I said they will be our last two speakers no one else ra their hands you spoke and then Mr Shu spoke and then I said we'll close the public portion ladies is that true watch the video Mr leader I did watch it again you acknowledge two ladies in the back of the room no incorrect there was two individuals that were left that had their hands up you Mr leader and Mr shuck from woke well maybe we'll both watch the video to see who's right please do all right thank you thank you um one of the things I wanted to talk about was I see a lectern over there you folks are up on a deas you stare down at the people who are trying to represent themselves into the township I think it would be more comfortable for me I don't know about other speakers if that Lecter were to be here I'd like to have my notebook in front of me I'm going to switch to a laptop i' like to have that in front of me while I'm speaking uh the other points I like to make about the room I mean maybe you need to wait till January to see if this is is something you want to resolve to deal with but the video from that camera you can't see who's speaking you cannot see a mouth open and closed all you can do is hear it uh the vision from that camera is very poor I suggest you put a camera in aiming at the middle of De so that we can see when we look at the video who is speaking in addition I think the people at the deas have a respon responsibility to look at the microphone where is it placed am I speaking into it because several times I had to mildly shout I didn't want to be a commotion please speak into the microphone and of course I never said it loud enough where the speaker could hear I think it's rude that you expect us to stand here in front of the microphone and be loudly heard while you have the option to speak from where you're seating rather than leaning forward or moving the microphone like you consider that as one of your resolves next January thank you councel thank you Mr leader is there anyone else like to speak yes sir good evening Council IR Xin Glen Oaks at the August uh 8th meeting I made the comment about the pickleball courts and the uh Infamous uh pedestrian bridge between a cost of $32,000 yep you told me I was wrong I said it didn't cost $32,000 right exactly how much did it cost I will pull I business administrator to pull that up and provide all the receipts and the actual cost of that bridge well how come when I put an open request in after the meeting I got paperwork that correct Mr cartis that come to your office oh call when you submitted an open when did you submit an open couple days after the meeting I got the result I did not respond to an Oprah from you about a bridge it came from it came from uh the U office Madam cler did you receive an Oprah yes okay then it went to the CFO it did not come to me I did not see I didn't say you still doesn't change the fact that everything they sent me so said $32,000 and if you say it's not $32,000 the what is it in my conversation uh with uh the individuals that worked on that project they had indicated to me it was not $32,000 for that that's what you told you it wasn't $32,000 so I will follow up with that Mr Einstein and if it's $32,000 I'll say my bad I apologize but I don't believe it was $32,000 well my question is if it wasn't $32,000 how come the clerk's office sent me paperwork saying that it was 32,000 I don't know sir what do you know I do know I'm going to look into this because I don't believe it was $32,000 thank you Mr Ain you have a great evening Miss coin Denise coin choose Landing um the $32,000 Bridge do you think $32,000 is way too much for that bridge I don't believe it was $32,000 but if it was would $32,000 be way too much for that bridge so I would if if if you're just talking about the material there yeah I would assume the 5.5 by 8 foot pedestrian bridge way too much correct so I'm not a contractor but I would think that's a bit High okay so to my understanding Tom I don't know if you can confirm this but that project was bid on as lowest bidder for 400 and something whatever the total project was for they also included that as a line item some thousand but they were the low bidder for the entire project and I believe that's what they listed as the line item I don't know if we get to break down per detail per that line item but at the end of the day they were the lowest bidder for the project for the entire project and that was one portion of it so if they put $5 if they put $50,000 they were still low bidder from my understanding for the entire project yeah I believe it was 4 54,000 of that 50 450,000 the bridge was part of that so when they listed it I think they listed it as a line of $ 30 some thousand not 100% correct but what I do believe is that that was the entire project and that was just one item of the entire project yes line 23 I believe 32,000 yeah so but they were the low bid so no matter what they still got the entire um moving on at a previous meeting it was said there was an option to commence another procurement procedure if the referendum for the sewer fails could you explain that please that we could follow that process again if the same exact process that is correct put it out as a referendum once again that's correct is there like immediately after there's no timeline restrictions so if the voters voted down the following day you could start all over for the next general election that's that that could be an option okay so is that the only option only option for no we're not doing it we go a whiper yeah we're not looking a whip whip is when you're saying basically that uh yeah I know what it's saying I'm just asking is that the only option oh you know what it's saying okay yeah I know what a whip it is I don't need it explained I'm just asking I'm trying to respond to you Miss I understand but I'm letting you know I know what it is you don't need to explain it I understand it I'm only asking is that the only other option uh yes for right now okay what do you mean for right now yes we we if it's a a whiper uh you know if if our sewer Falls in disrepair that's an option we're not going I don't foresee us doing that but that is the option referendum yes if it Was Defeated you can go through the whole process for the next general election so those are the only two options referendum or Whi it to my understanding is that what you understand yes that's what I understand okay thank you thank you anyone else would like to speak that has not spoken yet miss smithman followed by Mr leader and those will be our last two speakers because the time will elapse good evening Council my name is Shaun C smithman I live in the SDK milb Gardens apartment complex on milbrook Court Apartment 341 it is considered the lower section of the SDK mbridge Gardens apartment complex the back of my apartment actually faces Kelly driver Road although it is not a part of the apartment complex where I reside U I was in attendance to a local I think it was a glester Township planning board meeting and there was a like a a conference up front or maybe it was the workshop before last the the First Council Township council meeting um the amplifying devices that are provided for the council members um if they uh are in too close of contact with each other they actually make a like a re a Reverb what is the term when the amplifying devices or recording devices I'm sorry feedback yeah it made like a loud tone sound I had the same effect with my when I had a landlined telephone in my apartment when I would go to place the phone back on the receiver it would make a almost like a whistling type of sound so if anybody is suggesting that the township council is not properly amplifying their voices if those microphones are placed too close to each other it actually has a negative effect and it it won't properly record the audio at least that's how it was explained they one of the people in attendance to that meeting actually move the microphone closer to these front microphones and it it uh it crossed the the frequency somehow like a cross the wire but it's wireless I have never contacted this municipality or the Gloucester Township New Jersey Police Department via email in any in any way I have made two open public records act requests um one of which was told I did not fill the paperwork out properly and the second one did not include one of the first police reports that would have been made in this Township because I while I lived in Williamstown New Jersey at the time my son's father resided in the B Village Apartment Complex I had to call a local police to assist and in a domestic type of situation and that was not included in the open public records act request um and once again I've never spoken to or contacted the Gloucester Township New Jersey Police Department via email may I ask how would somebody who as the chief suggested earlier might be involved in some type of investigation how would they be made aware of that how would they even contact me I've never used technology to speak to anyone in the this Township or the police department not in any form not in any time of my life I didn't have a phone a smartphone from I think the year 2022 February until November 2023 because I was so behind on the technology that AT&T told me they were allowed to turn my phone off because it wasn't smart enough I have to believe them uh so rather than trying to see money to pay for the technology that they're claiming I need I just went without a cell phone because that's all I had been doing my entire life was struggling to pay for common things like living indoors heat electric gas like apparently your landlord can give you the water bill for no reason I don't know if anybody is aware of this but the municipality for Monro Township you you pay once for the water and then you pay twice for the drain so if you pay $1 for the gallon of water you pay $2 to put that gallon of water in the in the drain so you actually pay $3 for every gallon of water consumed through their meter I I know that now because I had to had to pay that um as well as a tax paying citizen to the best of my knowledge I my father got AR rest his soul passed away in March of 2006 so they say um he is really deceased yet nobody actually knows because he was alone nobody was with him and he actually expired um never told me how to do taxes so I always had to pay someone for for that um civil duty if I'm a human being and so is what is considered the chief of police is there any way he can inform me if there has been any type of paperwork if I'll be my name or where I reside in the SD kge Gardens apartment complex since I've never contacted them be email Miss smithman thank you for your time the chief had addressed that earlier thank you he did not answer the question though but thank you for clarifying Mr [Music] leader on August 8th you see the video at 21 minutes 33 seconds Mr Marcado said that the mayor office and Mr CIS came to see Mr marado with the idea to dissolve the MUA that's a correction Mr cartis came to see not Mr cartis in the mayor's office it's on videotape no Mr cartis in any event it would be great if mayor mayor would take the time to respond to email and pH phone requests i' I've posed the question several times that if America water offers him compensation as a result of the sale of the sewer system that if he would refuse it I've gotten no response seems reasonable to me since we've been talking about this for six months and all six months the mayor has not been involved in any way shape or form if he's not involved he shouldn't get compensated by by American Water you should have no trouble denying that compensation would ever happen so I just want to go on record as saying I've asked this question and gotten zero response um we also were talking about the 9% discount letter um Mr President and the clerk to put it online on the website it's not there yet similar to the Sewer utility 25% discount Mr Mardo advised the clerk to put that on the website as something they could download I've looked at the documents section I've did keyword searches I cannot find those two documents on the website is there anything else I'm just wondering if you have a response if the council has a response to having so I re I requested to have the senior discount information made available um so we'll follow up Nancy and also with our Communications Department regarding that uh in regards to the 9% uh that is part of the bid um Mr cartis we had discussed about the letter that when they had qualified that the 9% is not compounded it's part of the bid that was a resident who brought it up that said it was compounded it's part of the bid it's not to exceed 9% over the fiveyear period yeah that's not what I'm dealing with it's not what I asked well you asked for that you I was offered the letter personally you what excuse me I was offered the letter personally let's get him the letter then and I said I would rather download it from the website where know it'll be seen by the public you seem to agree maybe maybe you don't anymore but no I I Mr leader if you want a copy of that that's fine we'll provide you a copy I'd rather download it sir it's public knowledge information but it is part of the application the request for bids that was sent there we will provide you a copy of that Mr leader is there anything else like to go and record to state there was no public meeting about dissolving the MUA the public did not have an opportunity to participate in that decision or was there a public meeting about the sale of the sewer U utility not true that's not true there was a hearing there was a public hearing it was on a zoom call and there were members that there are individuals that are in this room I see I must have missed that call that was a zoom meeting for it was a publicly advertised Zoom meeting to Z and that was held by the local Finance board I attended that along with other people and there were people that are in this room in that audience that were on that on that Zoom call I can see why you feel offended I was unaware of that I missed that announcement I just want to get the facts sure I appreciate that that's all I'm looking for here is honesty and facts Mr leer you're making some statements where there's some holes in some of your statements and and got my five minutes go ahead 22 seconds bore me another hole please continue Mr leader no I'll save I'll save the rest for future meetings thank you Serv thank you very much with that with that we close second public portion pulling of directors Mr ctis did you want me to Rie y Chief arkins nothing to report Mr Miguel nothing to add thank you Mr Man thank you for coming have a great week Mrs aubre Troxel thank you for coming Mr Nash have a great night Mrs Walters thank you everybody for coming have a great night Mrs wers have a great Mr marado thank you for coming out this evening have a great Labor Day weekend uh we are accepting applications for Hispanic Heritage Month and we'll be celebrating those individuals at our September 23rd meeting I hope everybody's here at 7:30 for that presentation uh we look forward to having you I entertain a motion to adjourn there a second all those in favor have a great evening one I think but she she got invitation to go to her friend she that's