##VIDEO ID:cT1PYugtNGU## okay Co started but but uh actually while we're just waiting we two things that that are probably worthwhile uh the first one is on Ken Lane that I talked to Chris Martin and Chris Martin thinks that running the polyethylene line down to from uh what is it 12 I think 10 and 12 a couple polyethylene lines to the Head space and he thought fit in the the septic system use that would be allowed under this money that he's got under that he loans out the people that the state had let us have and then said they don't want it back so keep recycling it and he said you know why don't we let uh Dave D roer see what it would cost to run a couple lines and and let the town do that part of it and uh Dave D roer just got back to me and he said that he's got a price of $800 to run he thought it was one line he's going to check to see what the second line if it was at the two lines or one but but he it sounds like he's ready to to go the guy that he talked to is busy through the the middle of of November but what Chris was saying is let's use some of those funds saying that it's going to protect the system in that whole area so it's a upgrade for everybody's system by not having them flooded and just gives the the town can be the one that put it in and just let the homeowner say you guys own it we put it in but it's yours and uh I think get rid of a problem so that's that's one of the things that that happen and uh I'm waiting for Chris to get back to me but ideally Chris would go through this and release and do whatever it is put in place before he retired so so the next the next one is I did talk to Tyler Avery today on Dollar General and they actually are are interested in doing some stuff but I told them you know the the plan you sent out is it shows these these chambers that look like big leeching Chambers that are underneath the ground in that in that sedimentation uh for B and I said they're going to be flooded all the time the Overflow from it is is up on the top so they're just going to be flooded with water and they're not going to do anything for storage and so as as we talked through what he would really like to do is is uh see what what happens if he takes that 4 inch land ring that was put into the sedimentation area and get that so it goes right through and dumps right into the that outfall that goes out to the Head Bas in the street and he'd also like to change that that pip that goes out to the street to just bump it up in size to to 10 inches and see what happens for over the the wet period and then and then he's got he's going to send someone out to do elevation so we can look at at really what ended up getting in put in an as built of what's in there and he'd like to see what happens in the in the spring and then go right away from there they're they're they're Ang so that so that subdrain dick so he wants to direct pipe it to that 6 in which will be upgraded to 10 going into the catch Basin at the street that's fine that's easy to do it get it gets a big load off the system of course it does and what what I told him I said you know this is this is so different than the original design by having that overflow I said maybe you you end up seeing that that the water level in that in those two basins you know maybe doesn't go down to any lower than the Overflow but maybe it only comes up six inches or something in the worst rain I said maybe that you know when you get rid of the that land drain going in there and you have that outfall maybe you can look and say GE we don't need that those those ponds that don't do anything except they filled with water so so anyways that that's what his plan and he's I said you you need to if you're going to do something and then he said I want to do this before it get cold I want to get something in place and make a difference and let us all see what's going on before it gets hold and he says I gotta get permission from Dollar General but I said what you need to do is is let us know what you're going to do so we can approve these steps but I said it what it does for me is it says you're doing something and you're doing you're making some changes and you want to see after those changes what the next step is to fix the whole problem I said I think the board is going to be open to moving forward with that um as part of that process is is um somebody going to potentially camera um the drain on 202 uh to know that it's not you know three4 of the way full of sand and sediment uh from over the years so that it can take the potential flow yeah I my thought would be that we that part of when he makes these these changes that that we come back and say that exactly that kind of thing let's trouble shoot what could happen here and and uh with we haven't done a huge difference right now with this change other than getting getting rid of that that land R although when I I did the rough kind of calculation on it that was on the on the wet times there was 10,000 gallons a day going into that through that pipe so getting that out of there and putting a little bigger overflow to the to the catch Basin but as you said not not just that what happens if we overflow the if they overflow the catch base and it flood the street yeah that's not gonna go over well with the state no no so yeah it's encouraging they're talking about it yeah so so uh he just said he did it's interesting he mentioned he says you know Dollar General as a corporation isn't isn't doing really well right now so he said but they're going to be anxious to get this done and he said within a week you guys ought to know that we're we're okay to go if you wanted to go okay well let's start our meeting guys so we can get out of the reasonable hour yeah let's yeah we've had some late ones so let's let's go uh there are no septic systems to to go over so that's that's good uh we're we can go over I don't know colen do you know if if Lynn is coming tonight uh no I don't she did not say she wasn't so I'm thinking she she will be she'll usually tell me if she's not coming open so if we go we've got we do have the the recording has started so that first thing is done uh minutes from the 9th of October I didn't have any changes at all they and Bill you weren't here Lee did do you have anything I did not okay and Bill have you got comments or you just gonna say your no well no if I wasn't at the meeting I can't even a pine on it so you guys take care of that other than if you say this feel crazy but okay so then Lee and I both approved those Colleen Phil okay I've got time sheet for the 19th of October it's a normal 70 hours for the the two weeks are we okay with that yeah that's F and I am too colen so that's done okay we've got for the receivables payments to the treasur from our to our board uh a low one this time $174 for all of it was Board of Health fees and uh nothing else there are we oh no $10 excuse me it's $174 for board Health fees and $10 for licenses totaling $174 are we okay with that yeah that's fine yes me too Colleen so that's good okay next one is uh Fred Mary is it's a a bill payable Fred Maran is plumbing inspections for $420 and mileage for $20.40 totaling $440 40 and Fred is given the the from July 2nd through September uh 20 are we set with that yeah that's good yes yes and I am too fing that's that's approved okay the next one we have is uh an application for a Disposal system it looks like it's through Jos fer Alan Weiss reviewed it it is for uh replacement two compartment 1500g septic tank and debox and it's at 133 Aldridge Street uh lee is that okay yeah the liquid levels and everything was fine it's just that the uh the concrete had badly degraded on both components an old old system I think it's said what 2005 wasn't real real old I think that's the year yeah it's it's not terribly terribly old yeah the next one we have is the same thing a new tank and debox two compartment tank and debox at 15 Deerbrook drive and the again Josh gugler with alen white are is that one okay too um I'm not familiar um with with that particular location now are the were those two projects pursu went to a Title Five so is this is this going to remedy their their uh defect on the title 5 inspection first one that I brought up must be that was Lee said but the second one you don't remember Lee um no I don't recall being on on uh on Deerbrook okay um for that unless when Josh went there it was just obviously worn out and Allen oversaw the project as far as agreeing with them you know what I mean yeah M Mike death on this one so we don't end up with the thing sitting for two weeks yeah bill would you be agreeable to to letting that permit go to hold it right now and let it go pending LE review to just make sure it's okay yeah of course of course okay yeah yeah so colen that's what so yeah yeah because I think Allen took a picture of the house and he took a picture of the dbox and a couple of things there I took a look at that today that's fine okay so that's that then next one uh we are at Pena I don't see Lynn I don't see her um I just wanna Lee did um the fellow Lorenzo get a hold of you from 51 forg Pon road that he's working on um okay yes um thank you for reminding me I met him on site last Thursday morning uh with Alan Weiss went over everything we were there for probably about half hour or so um he was apologetic because of the confusion the home owner was supposed to do all the leg work which didn't work uh per as we will all know uh but he's anxious to work with Allen in the town and putting in a correct system given the parameters on that particular piece of property and I think he called today he called me today and I told him to get a hold of you I think he's ready for you to go back out there oh okay heard of it but oh okay okay yeah I told him to give you a call but he was yeah he called the office so okay went out there another another time that is a that is a really interesting little spot the the the two things that that Bill had mentioned about the Beaver Dam but if you look at the Beaver Dam I don't think it it certainly is isn't two feet high but I think with the the low flow across it I don't think there's any water differential across I think the water is the same depth Upstream as Downstream that's that's what I saw again I was 100 feet away when I looked at it but that's what my eyes told me dick yeah it sure didn't when I looked at it I said I guess I guess if there's no water flowing it's like someone just built a road across it it's just right there's no differential that's right so the other that that when you look at that Foundation of that house holy mackerel that it looks like the doorway of the bottom level is only about a foot above the level of the pond and I don't think it's 5et away from it it's a and it is one little Foundation yeah yeah there's not much room there yeah and the the guy that that I think it has been complaining is is I think it's the house that just to the west of it and that's the one that's just loaded up with cars and it it's certainly if you're looking at potential for polluting the the pond that certainly is a he's got a potential for that yeah it appears that way that's correct yeah so but in terms of us as a as a board since these this guy this person is complaining to Colleen about about that Beaver Dam I do you do you people Lee and Bill do you see that that's a board of health issue to have that Dam sitting there you know what I what I tell folks on the conservation and dick is if the if the drinking water wells in Peril or if flooding the leech fields in Peril then it's a bard of health issue yeah if it's flooding the basement unfortunately Ely it's not a board of health issue yeah so so the question is is the is the well in Peril or is the leechfield in Peril yeah in this case if it hasn't raised the water level any place nothing's in Peril that that's right that's right so it and then and then when they the person complained the last one I guess complaint to Colleen was that the the uh he was concerned that the snowmobilers were going to come flying through there and hit the dam but but I don't see that that's any different than you know having a tree fall down there and have the snowblower snowmobiles hit I don't see that's a bard of health issue I agree I agree 100% yeah is that your thinking yeah I mean they're protected I think they're still protected animals and if as as Bill pointed out correctly if those two components of the dwelling are not being negatively impacted I don't think that's our uh our calling to go in there and change that yeah I I guess you could you could say if someone petitioned us let's say the highway department said it's flooding the road and people were going to get hurt by driving in the road I guess that would be a board of health issue potentially but that's not what what's happening no and as you said which is I agree with 100% if a tree falls at some point or several trees fall which they do um that's something that the people out on those recreational vehicles have to be aware of whether it was on the on the ice or in the wood someplace it's the same concept right yeah and I you know if you saw someone in a snowmobile breaking a through the the pile of sticks on the on the dam so they can go through I guess that also wouldn't be a board of health issue right yeah okay okay I see that it's 7:15 and uh we do have a a 17 I mean a 7:15 appointment with the Damon hopefully that's on 126 South Street the septic system and Mr Hopey we asked you to come in yeah how are you I'm good how are you guys good good the the reason that we we asked you to come in is that the title five on that house showed that the the leech field is well I think there more than one thing wrong with that one I think the yeah yeah may be bad and but but ours that that we ordered the system be replaced was because it it wasn't it was too close to the water table and it wasn't protecting the environment so so that one is not not one that you can just say well I'm not gonna get around to it for another year so we wanted to talk my my understanding is I um I have two years to get around to it from the time I purchased which would be by June 30th though I'm I'm not sure I want to stand on that with you guys I just want to I'd much rather this be a more open friendly conversation frankly um I recall you know I bought this house bought it for my uh is purpose to rent to my daughter and my grandchild so I was aware the septic system had failed at the point I bought it and have every intention of going ahead and repairing it um what I'm also equally aware of of it because I looked at the property about the same time the septic was done is that in particular right up prior to the the looking at the house there was a lot of rain and I know there was a lot of rain because at the house you know frankly the U some pump in the basement was running Etc um and running quite heavily and obviously had been for several days um which wasn't shocking I I live in in uh Central Mass but I'm pretty familiar with the area um so what I was wondering a little bit is it's been reasonably dry I know this Su pump is no longer uh running and hasn't in ages um am I allowed to go get this system retested at my expense and see if the result in particular regarding the leech field comes back differently I know that um the original uh inspection point out that there's some pieces of uh the the concrete in the ground that I'm guessing look far older than the house is um because the house says it was built in 2001 and I know that can't be the case based on you know the reality of of uh the windows and a bunch of other things so I kind of get the hey we looked at the cement in the ground and said hey that's awfully old um so I'm trying to figure out what my um potential alternatives are at this point and then my inclination as I believe I told Colleen is yeah I'm inclined to either go ahead and be fixing this in the short run or um do this approximately a year from now uh largely because I have had to do septics in the past and I know they smell to high heaven for the first two months or so and I'd rather that occur during winter frankly than you know um have my grandchild playing around in the backyard when it stay it should it shouldn't be smelling for sure but the the first step that that you would take would be to hire a sanitarian or or a registered engineer and get in there and do that you've already got a I don't remember the system itself but but it seemed to me that the tank was was really old and corroded and undersized and uh yeah I I would I would say Richard that my intention um knowing I have to do this is actually to put in a system of sufficient size to potentially be able to convert um the garage that is on the property which is made out of uh cinder block and is actually quite large for a onecar garage to a potential dwelling unit at some point sure so you do Adu route and so so you would be smart if if you're doing something now to to look after that because what the regulations would be that the the leak Fields got has to be big enough for for both of the units and you have to have a septic tank for each one of the units so if you're going out and doing work you you definitely would be wise not to do stuff that you have to do over again twice but yeah no I'm I'm of that mindset yes yeah so the the first step would would typically be for you to get get your engineer sanitarian and he would or she would end up doing water table test and a perk test and see where you're going from there that okay and that that in our case once you when Title Five I'm not even sure I think yours may have said it was a conditional pass and it's and it's the Board of Health saying No this this one even though it's a a conditional path to replace their various components we're saying it's not protecting the environment properly because it's too close to the water table which means that's not just the you're now when they're an order from the Board of Health to replace it so so your first step one way or the other is is to look at what's in the ground and figure out what you have to do but but when you said it's a little drier now it's a lot more than a little drier when we haven't had any significant significant rain yeah hey folks I have a question so this is 126 South is it 12 126 or 128 126 South Street okay so this is the house that has a lot of nice ornamental trees in the front yard that would big nice ornamental trees in the front yard cor okay and you have solar panels on the house yeah yes and on the garage okay okay I'm looking at the right house then okay yeah dick that was I think that was Ted a Husky's daughter or something built that house about 25 years ago you think it's only 25 years old oh yeah I remember I was on the board of health when when we permitted that back in back around 2000 or maybe 9998 you know what's crazy about it though I would have been doing CK testing then and unless they did something about trying to to use the you know an existing septic system which maybe they K maybe someone said GE there was a house here we want to do something to it and we're gonna reuse the the septic system but it it would have been a a perk test that and I know if you if you look on the other side you there you're starting to get into the that time with Le flam's new houses oh that's right that are there that's right and that was those were all high water tables oh now one 12 126 the house is elevated I recall the house is quite elevated so the answer really is you know maybe something funny went on with the at at the perk test at the title five that was not indicative of what the soil is really like and that same answer D is the is to get a sanitarian or or engineer yeah no and and I I hear that I mean truth to tell you know the the land is a piece of property is rather nice in terms of it's very flat it's got those ornamental trees Etc um I the reason for the question is I'm hoping I don't have to add a big lump of of dirt to raise the ground if I can avoid it um you start by doing getting a person to to go in and look at what it's like and the Board of Health Witnesses it and as I recall as you head further to the north I think think the houses have elevated systems you know next door to you on both sides yeah I'm looking at 124 right now dick on Google Earth and 122 and it does not look as though those systems are elevated from again it's hard to tell from the aerial photograph course it's the same answer though the first thing is to do is to have someone dig a yeah R in the ground and have the Board of Health there and for ready to pour the water in it for the perk test and right yeah okay we know what type of well is on that property um in terms of what question a a a shallow Point versus a deep Aran I'm sure that's a Bedrock well in that area there there's no soils that would support a well point there well it's worth the question you probably knows do you name it is it I don't I don't I I had the water tested and it tested clean but I don't know the the exact nature of the well paulen you couldn't find a septic design on this one um we don't know whether the I don't I don't know I think Bob Sheen Senor did the design on this I probably have it on file yeah the the thing that's funny on this one is for some reason I thought it's only a thousand gallon tank with in with cl tiles but I can't remember and but if that's the case you know you're talking about a a 70 year old system yeah so here's here's the thing I would say is like the the house property says it was built in 2001 according to the deed card but recognizing the windows in the house nobody in 2001 was putting the style of window that is on that house in that house I remember those windows as a kid growing up back in the 1970s so I'm pretty sure you know just looking at that property in my own mind that it's like yeah this is one of these track ranches that was built back you know 60s 50 607s kind of time frame and you know was far as I can tell I'm guessing that the septic system is original from that time frame not from 20 maybe you have somebody that had it a foundation that they rebuilt the house on top of an old foundation and and maybe keep the septic system there there's probably more history to this than we recall yeah yeah the reason I say you know it Steve Z house I think yeah it it the just the window style is very very reminiscent of it's got the old storm windows on it yeah Lee it's right across the street from Bill Johnson's Father's House directly across the street I know it it's I think it's uh Steve I think you're right I think you're right yeah but that's the answer is still the same yeah I get it you want to have a have the person poke the hole and see what we're we're doing he that he or C may say you know what then when you called out whoever called the water table was too close to the septic system and once you move 20 feet away from it that's not really what the water table was at all and we're not in trouble but but uh yeah yeah no I I I get it um I will go ahead and you know as as you guys recommend I'll go ahead and get somebody in to take a look at um at least getting me to a design point where I understand what I'm up against and what I need to go ahead and get done yeah so at least you'll find something else you may you may not find bad stuff you may find out good stuff yeah no I get I get that and right now I'm just looking at it as all right there it is it needs doing and um you know I I I accounted for it when I bought the house so um it was one of those things that I was aware was going to need doing okay then have a have a good night thanks for stopping in and visiting no thank you guys okay thanks for answering my question all the best good luck thank you so we've got left for us is we've got the a Title Five at 154 Bachelor Street by Alan Weiss that failed uh the title five says that it's it's a a pit at the bottom of the pit below the water table or is that yes that's correct that's accurate so you're okay with that failure Le yes I am thank you yes I'm okay Bill are you okay with that when we of course okay of course the we've got there is a a meeting on the on Friday the 25th at West Street School for our new offices we've got a time period that that's been given to us for with for 11:30 um that apparently somebody has to go Colleen's interested in going but I move that you go on our behalf well as long as I know what you what your inut is well colen colen sent some stuff out for us she she gotten touch with with the folks in Northampton to ask what they were looking for and Colleen has come up with with a th square feet for the board and needing an exam kind of room that's got ventilation that that ends up being negative ventilation to the outside in case someone's stick in there yeah but a th000 square feet is how did you end up with that for a number it seemed it seemed small to me colen if if we look at a if if we look at a health director let's all of us look at a a future State Board of Health and let's look let's look at some sizes first dick right the building we work in on conservation is the old uh Carnegie building that that footprint is about 40 by 40 That's around, 16600 square feet okay that's a that's a good siiz building it's got good ventilation I think that's an acceptable size so that's 1,600 now let's go on the other end in Kellogg Hall remember we're in the in the in The Silo yeah yeah the The Silo is probably 80 or 100 square feet so that's clearly too small okay and didn't that didn't include storage so that wasn't the only space that we had well that's right now now how about the current in the though I'm gonna guess that that that room is more than 20 by five no no I'm I'm saying I'm saying in the telephone company building your internal Board of Health room how big is that room um I think that we said and this this number you guys came up with last January January of 2023 when we talked about it when they were asking I didn't come up with this number but um let's see we we said it was around um let's see what was my I don't know what my existing one was but I have the notes from that meeting and um you were talking about uh an office for the health agent and adding up kind of the office uh what we have now I guess for upstairs and downstairs for filing and stuff and you guys came up with a th square feet um so now the question is Dick do you think in the foreseeable future we're going to be required to go in person do I do I think it could happen yes I do think it could Happ okay so if that's the case we should like you say we should opt for a larger room as we can get with the best ventilation as possible yeah so let's let's look at at let's look at a town that grows to 20,000 people let's keep let's go kind of like South Hadley so in that case let's that we do we have to have health agent a let's say person let's say an assistant and let's say we are big enough to have our own nurse kind of person so now now if if we looked at Bill you just said there's got to be some kind of a meeting kind of space yeah so so we've got a nurse that would have some kind of privacy in a bed an exam little examining place what do you think that she would have 10 by 20 at least I I think we can actually have a suite of rooms that West Street School dick is 60,000 square feet at at a minimum at a minimum that's a 60,000 square foot place to put it in perspective Kellogg Hall was under 5,000 square feet so this place is 12 times larger than Kellogg Hall so why can't we have two or three rooms I think we could I think I think if you just started the look at hen's face let's look at and she's got some swords besides this but if you look at a place for someone to sit in Pen's working space so if you just look at her space at 20 by 20 that's 400 square feet right a little a little waiting spot that that you know Colleen has a spot in front of her but that's that's another 100 square feet so now you're at 500 you haven't done the Nerf which is another couple hundred so that's 700 you don't have a health director which is going to be another couple hundreds right so you're up at our thousand without a meeting space and a meeting if the meeting room was has to be at least 15 by what 25 I I'd shoot for 30 by 30 for a meeting space Maybe maybe we had a common meeting space if they had one but that's 900 right there yeah actually Kathy Leonard said at least on the conservation and planning board end there's going to be common meeting rooms that we can utilize whether or not Bo wants to do that's that's up to us but there will be common spaces available if we end up with a a r you know 20 people showing up we don't want to meet in a small room we would probably want to move into a larger room for a meeting like that so we should have a we should have a smaller com a smaller meeting space and if conditions weren't we'd go to the big meeting space right so we have our own space it it seems to me like the number that we should be looking for is more like 2,000 sare well I'd shoot for 2500 and let that be negotiable so shoot for 2500 okay what is your thought Le um do we know or do we have a guesstimation of what the average size classroom is right now is it 40 by 40 or does anyone have any sents I don't know how large the classrooms are people have said they're L you know they're pretty large but I don't I don't know how big they are when I walked in but I think there were three at least three 8 foot window in there so maybe maybe 25 by 25 25 by 30 yeah actually let me go on Google Earth I might be able to measure on street view so um I note which may or may not be of any value um as we are having a small conversation with shared services um and the potential which may be far away um and unless I misinterpreted the uh scope of things that the shared services be down the road um go forward and have vage of Health in towns like this uh no more so is this something everyone's not us but is the town on board with us doing this in in you know five years it may just be gone or I don't know the time frame if there is such a thing they certainly said shared service but they don't they absolutely have not said for the Board of Health to go away okay and okay my question would be as you if you move from a little town to a medium town then y then it starts to become different then if if you got let's say there's enough work for you to have one nurse all the time but you have to you know crank up the three nurses sometimes then you go or you need you know extra services that it would I would think that that the shared services would tend to say okay let's spread people out the way they need to instead of having this huge thing in the Middle where no one's ever ever close to where they have to work versus let people be close to where they have to work at least half the time yeah I got you I got I did hear uh from some of the meetings that they were having regarding the renovation that they may try to put um certain Department departments together and I heard them mentioning putting the Board of Health with like the building department and conservation so I don't even know no they're putting they're putting planting and conservation together dick by the way I'm on Google Earth street view you're right that's eight Windows across they appear to be three feet wide I can't measure it or this imagery it looks as though there the room's 25t wide outside the outside dimension of each room is 25 feet and assuming it's a square room it's 625 square feet yeah that's what they kind of look like to me yeah I'm looking at it right now you just if you just looked at those and said with the board of occupy two to three of those rooms including a small if that one of them was a a small conference kind of room yeah so that you end up again you the two of them would be 1,200 three of them up 2,000 so that's a kind of number and then yeah and again you can put an interior parti wall in any of those rooms very easily and cut them in half so there's a lot you can do with those rooms so so but in terms of colen going it seems to me that that that a, 1500 to 2500 number is what we should be looking for yes yes if if someone starts to say as you said group them together and say is there a reason that the the planning board and and conservation and Board of Health can't all have the the same room or certainly if you said GE we're gonna have two little rooms there and then there's going to be a big room for for even more people but out of those three groups could you take two little meeting rooms and three of you manage that you could I have to believe you could do that it probably would be harder to say one little room one little meeting room and the three of you guys all make sure that you're using that efficiently yeah I think you'd have conflict yeah I'm looking from West Street from West Street there's 1 two 3 four five there's five rooms that are that uh face West Street five rooms five rooms with eight Windows a piece okay that's what I'm looking at right now now of course we've got I'm sure there's rooms on the other side of the corridor and then you got the auditorium and a bunch of other stuff but at least visible from West Street there are five rooms of the eight window variety on the other of the building you do have the old um office space in the original footprint of the building okay um which was the principal's office vice principal and then there's a small nurse's office there already right and then there was the teachers room that was just before you go down the stairs exactly yeah and I just look at this whole thing and say if you ever looked at I ever looked at something that say how can you move us into the 22nd century it wouldn't be to say let's move back to the the 19th century and start with that building but uh no no again it's a brick building dick brick buildings are very valuable from a from a maintenance perspective but you're right it needs all kind of it needs all kind of energy retrofit that's for sure yeah but but a the part that you're looking at at West Street Bill isn't the brick building that's was that was the newest edition and it it was much more you know built kind of like the the high school yeah oh yeah it's brick veneer over structural steel I know that it sure beats having a wood frame build that's for sure and somebody's going to have to look at it and figure out how to you're right do the the energy work on it and and uh see what it what it's worth yeah from our standpoint it seems colen's gota go someplace on Friday and and uh if we give her a number that that again says 2,000 plus or minus 500 and we don't want to we don't really we really don't want to go back down to, 1500 maybe should maybe you say 2,000 to 2500 that's what I said started 20 it's it's like again it's like buying a car we'll start at 2500 and you can negotiate down yeah yeah as they start looking at all the pieces like the common spaces and and uh the danger would be if you just if you just build it for 8,000 or I don't know what our our population is now maybe 8,000 I think and maybe it maybe I did it I used to do it all the time when I was doing for Co but but uh maybe it's 7,000 800 or something I still yeah I think it's in the 6,000 6,000 yeah I think it's about 6,400 anyway that's yeah so if you look at that and and and think that it's going to stay there forever you know maybe it is going to stay there forever but if you look at how other towns are growing it seems unlikely so if we're going to if we're going to build something we ought to be I think we ought to be careful not to build it for today but to build it for the future of course of course so Colleen it looks like you have some marching orders like you're the you're the one that's going and 2500 is what we're looking for okay and and let them come back okay but what is important is is we definitely need some privacy space and we definitely because people thck people can be coming in to here that we have to have unique negative ventilation actually it's a Clos ventilation system you don't you don't want to be sucking all the bad air from everybody else's area what you really need is a system that's designed that's got some positive flow the room itself is positive compared to the rest of the building that's right dick here's what we should do the four of us should be sitting near the windows with the windows cracked open and air blowing from outside across us into the crowd that's what should happen so we should be deriving our breathing air from outside not inside that's what happens with the with the proper ventilation system you take the you take the air that you that's good outside air you blow it in and you you end up making it so that you're you're isolated from the rest of the building and you make it so that people and the the room that the sick people are ends up being negative inventing directly to the outside right but it's it's a unique it's a unique environment in fact Colleen you ought to tell them that at a minimum we're looking for six air changes an hour in there but it it needs to be filtered and and pressurized so we just tell them it it needs to be you know designed kind of like the hospitals design D SE right right hey dick whatever happened at the American Legion did the legion put in a a decent air exchange system I so I think what happened is that Co went away before that happened okay we made those regulations changed that's that's at the time when we got rid of mass weren't they um weren't they going to utilize the hood above the Cook Area to um draw the air across yeah they were but but the whole thing went went kind of crazy they were doing all sorts of things they were gonna remember their Hood system was in trouble the soof was system is was in trouble they had issues with the fire department there were a lot of things there I don't know what finally happened but in terms of our regulations when we got rid of masss we also got rid of the the six air change requirement yeah actually I'm looking at I'm looking at a bird's eyee view of the building right now and you guys know I'm not too familiar with this building but there's a courtyard in the middle a nice Courtyard in the middle yeah with a Big Pine Tree Y and I'm looking at all the uh all the ventilation hoods on the building there's probably 20 of them scattered all about if I were to guess Bill I'm GNA guess that that each one of them was its own little Standalone it probably you know the the latest work that I will help you right now if you look at me in fifth grade I would have been oh what did you say 11 years 11 years old maybe and sixth grade so that puts you at yeah 50 maybe 58 1958 57 56 something like that okay okay that would have been the newest one the one be the one before that the one going out in the back yeah rck yeah was I can remember in in first and second grade which would have been Korean War time we were still in the we were in the hallways for air raid kind of thing so that would have been 52 yeah yeah that projection out back I'm measuring it right now it's 150 ft long yeah so I'm guessing that's that was not old when I was there but not brand new so I'm guessing that's late 40s okay early at at the latest early 50s Okay so and I think that's the one I think the the boiler is in that Wing though yeah yeah I to the Northeast there's a cluster of hoods that's probably in the kitchen area there's 1 2 3 four five six seven there's seven hoods in a very confined area I'm guessing that's probably the kitchen or or maybe that's the auditorium I don't know well the kitchen the kitchen build is in the the Northwest not the far you know if you look at that section that you were talking about that extends out to the kind of the north yeah if you if you come back towards the South and the building widens out it's right in that corner where it widens out it's where the kitchen is okay and the in the chimney there it's near the chimney then the chimney is is a little bit is a little bit north of that north and east of that where the yeah the chimney the Chimneys in the re-entrant corner between that long projection and where it wind to the West that's where yeah I'm looking at the chimney right now okay yeah and if you look at at the other end the the that has a little bit to the to the south of the kitchen was where the the eating area in the the auditorium was and then when you move a little to the east of that is where the gym was the new gym oh okay then go into the oldest part of the building which would have been uh the projection that goes furthest to the west and to the north there were some back sections in there hous some on the Northern end of it had some some uh classroom and on the I can't I don't know if you can see but it's a high roof in that area yeah yeah there there's actually two high roofs in the building one is kind of to the East and one is kind of to the west but they are it looks like they're projected three or four feet above the main roof elevation yeah the one on the the one on the east was the old gym and that was a gy in Auditorium okay and that was that had been converted into the classroom but that when they put the the the very last Edition which is when the when the cafeteria and that that whole area that's when the new gym went in that that's on the other side so in one case if you're looking at that courtyard on the side south of that courtyard is all is the newest wing on the west of that courtyard is the newest wing and that's where the the uh the gym is touching that edge I gotta and then you've got on the other side of the hallway next to the gym is the cafeteria the lunchroom and so that whole area was that that Edition and then in the other the other direction the east of that courtyard there were some some classrooms right along there and that's inside the classrooms is where that where that old gym and Auditorium was okay yeah yeah I see I see the extended roof in that area okay I got you yeah makes sense okay that's what you you had in that okay fair enough so anyway we can kind of keep going we've got it looks like what also on our our list we've got Board of Health regulations we've got uh also we we've not done the the temporary where is that colen you've got that on here discor application so that one the last time we we talked about this we looked at what Northampton was doing and essentially what what they were doing is applying the the temporary food permit regulations to these is that which is a lot different than what we were kind of touting on it but we weren't doing it to to the extent that they were doing what is our what is our thought on it well what first of all what's the latest on the food truck permitting food truck permitting telling we do for a year right yes so are we allowing the the city of or origination for the food trucks to do the permitting or do we have are we permitting in addition to the city of origination we do in addition that that Len goes in and inspect them okay so that interesting though that if if you look at the food truck you've got this little this little world around the food Stu bu yeah so you say the food is made in there that they've got their hand washing somehow they they're hooked up to be able to get toilets but it's the food prep and people walk up to it and go away well the thing is in the Hampshire Gazette a couple weeks ago they did a big story on the popularity of food trucks apparently they're the thing now across the country everyone's doing food trucks now H so for what it's worth so I can see why some people are saying I really don't want to run a restaurant so let me just bring in a food truck to serve my clients and in fact if you go to the cape right now yeah and go out into Truro where they've got a winery they've got a thing that it may not be very very different than than Jim trony uh and they're doing it they don't prepare any food they're doing it with food trucks you know dick next time you're down there you ought to poke around you know talk to the talk to the operator of the food truck just ask them say who does your your approvals and your permitting and find out if indeed they have a permit in Truro or whether or not if they're from Province Town or elsewhere if that's where they're I'm just curious to see how other towns do this you know what let's give Pina pen an assignment why don't you call up the winery in guro and see what they have to go through all right I'd have you go to the Truro Board of Health but that it's such a little town it's only like a 500 person town but but it would be interesting yeah to just see what what that Winery is doing in a little yep yep yeah I was hoping you going to send her down there for a week to investigate yeah right that's what I was thinking we'll put her we'll put her on the payroll to go down there and investigate of course yeah I'm going down tomorrow but but I'm not gonna be you know it's probably not even going to be open when I'm there tomorrow but it would be interesting to see since they absolutely had a a food truck and in fact my my sister law was going to have their their after rehearsal wedding rehearsal party there and they got all screwed up because the blue truck got screwed up but that's how they were gonna they were G to do it so it it probably wasn't very very far away from what Jim Trump's doing right um speaking of the local has anyone heard any on the uh the promised uh yeah bill I thinker here wasn't here at at one of those meetings and that one at that meeting uh supposedly Neil Jackson speaking for for Jim trony that that what they he would like is he would like to design a septic system for the for the house and for the the Winer whatever we call it wine house or whatever and he would like and we said well if you're looking at at common septic systems you're going to need two septic tanks one for the house one for the the building and regulations about separate not being able to sell them and right common water supply but but what Neil said is that he would like Jim try would like to get that designed and approved and would like to be able to put the 2,000 gallon tank which would be the proper size for the wine housee he would like to be able to for a very short time use that as a height tank with a um some agreement with the board and H saying that at whatever next June the whole system's got to be installed that's what and if I recall Lee that Neil said he was going to H H up and go out and get it designed and back to us for approval is that what you recall yeah there was some chitchat about it being in the ground by Halloween which obviously is not um on the agenda since we've heard nothing back yeah um but my going forward though the house itself would have to be a 1500 gallon tank um please because I don't have I don't know how big it is Le right at least for the house right but then but then the winery part we would have to base that upon available seats is that close to yeah that's what what Neil said is that that if it followed our regulations the winery cart would require a 2,000g tank based on by itself by itself by itself by itself the house would have to have its own tag so a 2,000 combination is not going to be practical to solve the problem no no okay um okay so I well all right there's another one that we ought to talk about is yeah I've got well it it's part of it but the but the two fourplexes on New llo Road our our stor that Paul sit is is working on that but but uh I ended up calling Allan Weiss up and asked Allan why the fourplex on on uh West Street ended up with who septic tanks in in the because it was sized the same kind of the same way as the is The Wine House and what Allan pointed out and I looked out looked it up and it says that at a minimum all systems other than for single or two family houses have to to be multiple compartment tanks and as a minimum the flow cap or the capacity of the first tank has to be two times the daily flow that's right that's exactly right and when that happens it says that the tank that Neil's talking about the 2,000 gallon single compartment tank doesn't fit that requirement because it is not a single family or two family out y That's right so he would end up needing a 2,000 gallon tank followed by a thousand gallons right right right just for the winery just for the Wier yeah yeah okay I guess I guess if that's what the design is if he said GE I'd like to put the 2000 in now rather than the 2000 and 1000 and I'd like to do the 2,000 for the first six months until after the the winter and I guess if we wanted to we could pop that through but just for him to remember the 2000 isn't going to make it right by definition it's not going to work no okay no that and your even though it's not on on our agenda well it's old business but but are we in a spot that we should be getting in touch with with Mr try and and I guess it's Mr because because uh we don't have any any relationship with with Neil he doesn't work for the board he doesn't he's not in contract the only person we're dealing with is the owner of the facility right I would agree and unfortunately we're we're approaching month five uh behind scheduled here as we all oh what we certainly are approaching is the end of the year and the time for new perit yeah that's the only leverage that we have left yeah do maybe Colleen can ask do we want to have have uh Jim come and talk to us before we just send out a letter did didn't we seems to me as though we went all we went over this I think last summer a year ago we talked about him putting in a 2,000 gallon tight tank and it never happened right and we're still talking about it we're still talking about it and we we said if you well we had Jim come in sometime near June because a woman complained because there was no light on the on one of those Porta oh that's right that's and Jim says why are you calling me in I had until I can't remember the exact date but let's say I have until the 1 of July to get this thing all designed and ready for you guys and you're calling me in giving me a hard time and it was July I think it was July last year I I don't I think we started talking last year yes but we definitely had a thing that was this year and he was supposed to have the whole plan in place on the 1 of July and now that's where Le just said we're now approaching five months after the the deadline that he said he was going to that he said he was going to do that we agreed to and now we're saying see we'll be lucky if we get it in next July yeah I mean it's it's a little disappointing that um we're still talking about it and that we appear to be trying to work with this business but the other side of the relationship doesn't seem to want to work with the board oh I mean we're not with with too many options here we we're being played on this thing I agree was if it was a new company or a different person or different whatever um not it would be a big difference but uh I just think that it's getting old and uh we didn't create the problem but we have to create the solution here guys and I certainly I don't know whe you say we're being played or whatever happening what what we do know is the problem didn't get there that we know hard to tell what the reason is we can only surmise that that not spending money is in the best interests of the owner but we don't know that we can only survise him but yeah that that's why it would seem to me remember the next meeting is the day before election I sent the thing out it's next Monday not next Tuesday uh my suggestion is is that talking to the gy you know mono on mono is is a better way than and probably a faster way than sending out emails or letters that I don't know what you guys think it seems to me like having to us next meeting would be appropriate absolutely I agree 100% yeah I just find it a little frustrating that somebody who is you know on a on another board in town um I just being naive thought would be a different outcome that's all you know yeah are we are we in a spot to save time that we should ask Mr trumpy to have his engineer at that meeting also yes yes have both of them at the meeting because otherwise one of them will pass the buck to the other one so have them both there so we can get answers from both simultaneously yeah and if we if we start looking at timetables instead of saying well I'll have to talk to the engineer and see that's right that's that's right then we we get a chance to to have established a a schedule in an agreement and the a measurable thing that that we can do something about and we can talk about what happens about not granting permits yeah I mean uh yeah good points on on everyone's uh on everyone's comments for sure that we want to be cooperative and get this thing done and having both parties at the same meeting us them need the goal that we all have you know have the business be open be successful uh but also be good for the guests and the environment absolutely I agree I I think the three of the three of us really want this business to go but we don't want it to go in a way that that it becomes a public nuisance or people get sick and and it's it's got to be something that that that Mr Trump he is a good corporate citizen so okay so we so that will do that we've got the the our our special event we'll get some information on that um we still haven't done anything on the board of health regulations that keep going and going I don't even remember we had a list that's we had a list we actually we had at least three different lists what we should do di schedule it for the first thing it's some meeting from schedu it at 7 to like 7:15 that's the only way we're going to get these done we got to get them done first thing during the meeting but we have to review all the language before we even attempt to do that so we got to review the languageen if you could find that stuff again I'll yet again I'll take a shot at putting those together but it's Not Gon yeah have to be careful because my shot is going to be we go into the time that I'm I'm leaving so so we go to do this in January dick okay and over the yeah if you if you can dig them out that gives me a couple months to actually pick away and look at which of the regulations that that look like they're they're still pertinent and I'll actually get stuff and send them out to people and we'll actually get it done M so if we do this let's say at 6:45 to 7:15 or so at a couple meetings that doesn't necessarily have to be recorded does it since it's just an internal discussion oh it has we have to be if we as soon as more than two or more of us meet it's got to be there has to be minutes oh it's got to be a posted meeting and there has to be minutes oh yes I was just thinking because we're having a rough discussion on fine tuning these things we could you know run through it um back and forth to rough out where we're heading with these regulations the only way you could you could do that is if if we can't do it together you could you could get through some stuff that if we if we sent stuff to Colleen and she sent it out sent it out sent it back to Colleen and we kind of go at drafts that get sent out and we don't we don't discuss it and we don't vote on it and make any regulations that we could we could clean it up and with khen being the person in the middle that we don't end up talking person to person other than at a meeting then we could we could make some Headway but we have to be really careful that we don't do it in a way that that you know the purpose was to make sure that that the towns people didn't get a chance to be involved with it we have to make sure that we we don't even come close to trying to defeat the intent of the open meeting law we have to absolutely stay within that oh no no that's yeah I I get you but and that's you know nowhere near my um my thought process I'm just trying to think no but we just have to be careful that we don't by accident fall into it yeah but uh yeah we that being said Colleen if you can throw me a couple I don't know if we want to take you know three or four articles or not articles but three or four uh a piece and go over it and kicking around back and forth just with col and individually with with you know you me Bill and then um as we refine it then we would have an open discussion at the meeting and uh go forward with the fine-tuning process or something all that nature yeah what we have to be really careful for is that we don't end up using khen as the person that that we you know de facto vote on this stuff by say oh we tweak it and tweak it until someone stopped commenting and then at the meeting we show up and then we we adopt the the regulations because that will clearly be in a spot that we in a fact made the the regulations you know adopted them outside the meeting and then we just hurried up and had the meeting and adopted them that even though even though they've already been adopted they're already there where just summarizing what we have and what we're throwing away but we have to be really careful that we don't bring it to the point that we said okay we all are happy with this let's just adopt it we don't want to do that that's a violation of the the open meeting law we can't okay okay so it would be it would be better if if someone said oh I don't think I don't think that's a a rule anymore that that's pass a and it never made it or we probably could get that we could tell Colleen say we don't think that one belongs on the list colie and she could cut it off and then and then at the end we could go and say here are the ones probing cut off let's go over those and and make sure so so we could we could do it that way and then that at the meeting we posted and make sure we discuss all those things and be very careful that we haven't adopted anything even though they they have been all adopted they're all there that's that's kind of the difference these aren't new things that we're going to do they're things that we have that we're going to throw away but but anyways if let's give it let's give it a shot colen if you can give me the the list that the best one you have the lists I can give it a cut over the next you know couple months yeah yeah send it to me too so I can look at it as well yeah and maybe that work maybe maybe the way that we do that we should all look at is to say pen if you send it to everybody and everybody just sends them back to you yeah and then you put all these things down onto a a list that said you know this one was suggested taken off or this one's not and it comes in a list yeah then we could bring all of those to a a meeting a posted meeting and say this is what everybody said what should we do then there wouldn't be any then then the list hasn't been tweaked it's just until we did it at the open meeting then we would then then you would be the only person it wouldn't be the individual members of the board you would just be compiling that list and then we'd go over the list at the meeting and then we could go through and say here's one does it go on does it go off and that way we do it without making any decision so we don't so the goal won't be to have a completed list that we've agreed on the goal will be to have the complete list that will say it stays on or stays off or comes off okay so that's that's a very different thing so we're not looking to find to final list we're trying to find the list that we have right now that's floating around okay okay then we won't if we do it that way we won't be in violated okay if that's the case we're kind of at the end of my list yes so again our next meeting we chose to be Monday because our next meeting was going to be on the the 5th so it's on the 4th and that's what we chose to do Monday the 4th y yep okay sounds good folks so good night everybody okay everyone thank you have a good week good weekend okay everyone all the best fol you