so you're saying P it up here I thought they turn on she you can't open the document can't open this computer and this computer is my presenting computer to throw things up there but I'm seeing if I can throw it up on mine okay can you give me she's gonna go print them out so y'all have them it's not gonna go scre she's gonna go print them out you sent me because it's not major techn okay so we'll go ahead and start the meeting she's gonna print them out because I can't I mean I made do a presentation and everything yesterday and it's this for some reason this just died okay let me um can I start the meeting now uh give me one second P y'all up I don't know there well at least we are we are recording so they just won't be able to see y'all but yes you can start the meeting because we are recording open the meeting first ad committee meeting uh to address maing as uh requested by the town Commission that correct yes um I what I'd like to do is um have everybody introduce themselves u a new group of individuals um when we uh put the committee together we try to get a CR section of uh new um old residents in terms of people being here for years um and members of the um younger families older families so we be representative of the of the core District they focus is on the core District um you want to say a little bit something about that in terms what the commission requested um so I can I can go into that a little bit I don't know if you want to um intruction follow follow the um well thank you uh we need to swear members members yes we do thank you raise your hand tell the truth hold truth nothing but the truth so help you got and I'm swearing you in as ad hoc Committee Member for the massing Gary Kor Billy KO Tom Smith Michael Glennon and chairman Paul Lor thing um so Gary why don't me start with you just a few comments how long have you been here where do you live so I'm not sure everybody knows each other just take a moment sure I'm Gary caner uh I moved to Golden believe it was 2015 could have been 2014 um liveed at 528 Palm Way with my wife a 24y old son and 4mon old daughter kind of spread out a little bit um and uh previously I had lived in Gold Street I mean in ocean ridge so I have been in the area for quite some time um and you know Paul had mentioned this to me and it's time to uh the experience that I had uh when we had bought an old house and realized enough problems that we need to build a new house I was something that I think I talk to Paul about thank you and Mr KO who for a while yeah Bill Koke I was born in goon born in the C cor area in 1951 and I've uh basically lived here since 1951 in g stre go way back right probably today not the oldest and AG might whatever be very helpful perspective and you're on Middle Road yeah Middle Road 543 Middle Road originally um my dad built a house in 3211 North Polo drive and it was all Polo Fields on West Side of Polo drive all the way back down to the golf GF stream golf club and then around 1963 if I have the right year and they dug all the canals and the southern Polo Field in there of which I live on one of a mount my dad built a house Golf Drive drive3 and live there until death Tom Smith Billy was born in Del r instead of G but I have to live here my whole life I have a home on 1122 North Ocean Boulevard and I've been in it for 31 years um I've been as active as I could be in the town I've been on the architecture VI board off and on a few times it's on the town commission for short stretch have a real prise for the town and I'm anxious to be on this commit thank you Tom um yeah Michael Glennon uh my originally I guess familiar with stream mov down here part time when my dad bought a condo ino in 2001 started coming down as a kid spending time in golf stream really fell in love with the community uh my wife and I had been living in New York and then professional for more or less my professional career before I offered a job to move down to Florida in 2019 um took that and moved stand GF stream fulltime in 2019 uh we now live at the corner of Lake Gulf Stream at 101 Lake VI Drive uh we have a 5-year-old who's in 3K almost 5-year-old is's at 3K ad stream and a one-year-old who's hopefully a future do stream uh student um absolutely love the community love the town care deeply about it both an independent of little here it's based on family Legacy or family so very excited to be part of this and U some results thank you um jday and I my wife uh we bought our house on polo drop uh 2006 2007 uh we bought what I would call very traditional mum one story house um we've had the opportunity to toally redo it over the years um so we kept account um some minor divisions to it um I've been involved Tom has with the architect finding board as well as Town Commission um the subject of M is and others may ask that I up thise um great group um this should be a very collaborative process um put anything on the table um we're going have to make some hard decisions we're going to be able to accomplish the task um I have some materials yes are they putting them out yes okay so I'm going to change the order in which um this meeting is being run um I want to go to this red book um I was going to do this at the end but do it now I'm sorry Mr chairman if I could just go over some preliminary things we do have a number of our members who are new um represent the town just want to go over sunshine and public record don't mind um all right thank you so um to those of you who have not served on the gulf board before you're a public body appointed by the town Commission in this case to review a specific issue that the Sunshine Law and public records law applies to you in your position as a member of The Hop committee the Sunshine Law requires that meetings of boards or commissions are open to the public so here we are in the public reasonable notice of meetings must be given which was done consistent with the town code and the minutes of the meeting must be taken which is Renee Our Town cler's responsibility it's important to remember that the sun law applies not only when we're meeting here but any Gathering of two or more members of the same board to discuss some matter which will foreseeably come before that board to action so outside of this room no two of you can speak to each other about things that we're talking about in this uh in these meetings because all discussions must be in the sunshine again notice open to the public uh and minut this only applies to two members of the same board so the same prohibition does not apply to discussion with other residents Town staff any members of the Town commission and for those of you who are not on the airv you can speak to other members of the a that are not a member of this board as appointed members of the public board the public records law also applies it uh provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of His official business be made available for inspection and copying so just by way of example if you email the town manager in Your Capacity as a resident that communication can be inspected and copied by anyone for any purpose so the same now applies to you if someone is to send you a letter email directed to you because of your role as a member of the adhoc committee that is a public record that would be open and available for inspection copying so just please be aware that you're responsible for maintaining those letters and they can be shared with the the board uh if they seek to address a particular topic forwarded to the town clerk so she has a copy of that she can just file it appropriately or maintained by you in accordance with the town's record repented policy so you know if you are getting emails or have a file that you can throw those in regarding your ad hoc committee um you would just need to you know keep those not delete them and then if you have any need for any additional information on this topic if you are getting a number of emails uh or receiving correspondence from individuals please reach out to Renee or myself to go over you know sort of what your responsibilities are and how long those records would need to be maintained typically we're just going to have you for as a copy and then you can delete those because you would have a copy of all those records finally I spoke to the Florida Commission on ethics and they confirmed that you as ad hoc committee members are not required to file a financial disclosure because you are only making land use recommendations to our planning board not directly to our commission not making any final decisions you have not been authorized to spend any funds in Access of Category 2 of section 28717 for statute which is $35,000 so just to get all those matters out of the way if you have any questions about any of that please let me know um obviously our arpd members are still required to file your form one but those of you who are not on the arpd just being a member of the ad hoc committee is not subject thank you m Mr chair thank you um so what you have in front of you is what the design Manual of the town of gfreet this design manual was correct um and let me read why um design manual was first put in place prior to the adoption of this design the established residential P patterns were being threatened by a phenomenon as mization which is over me rapidly escalating property death mization is factorized by existing structures being demolished to make room for larger more elaborate houses this has the potential to destroy the unique character and scale of the town and go on further buffing is an inviting Town characterized by SLE family homes with Lush wellmaintained Landscaping extensive outdoor recreational opportunities um I think that the characterize the town is understated is is a good way of describing um so this manual um is is the guide that tried preserve um un unique of the town of G Street U let me take you quickly take you through how it's organized um so if you go to um going to definitions with um go to article two which is the way I sorry umle four um so article two um it's going to be um on it's 7026 um go to look in the upper right corner let me see I apologize for this but it's important you can see how complicated this is I be there in this 70 right single okay um so um it's 7027 right hand yeah thank you you find it did you find it I thought this could be easier to take you through you guys are in the lower corner upper right corner what you want okay 7027 so the way this manual is constructed it it broken up into um the town was broken up into districts um uh it would be residential districts recreational districts Etc we're focusing on the residential um single family District the and within the single family districts if you Turn the Page you'll get the 7028 and there something called the cour the gstream core District you see that um you continue you'll see and it's a description of the core district and you'll see description of the other districts for purposes of adog committee you don't need to spend too much time okay so then the the next section I want you to take you to is one are the sections that really um govern uh this whole Ming issue um and it's going to be under this uh section called uh site development regulations so look at the upper right hand corner 7068 and and you'll see that um effect of lot that's just a definition but lot size dimensional requirements turn it the next page I'm not going to go to each of these sections but I just want to highlight them um you have something called the floor area ratios which probably is um the biggest driver of massing in my opinion um and and as you go through this um there's a lot of detail um kind of flip through then we get into set packs and that's on 7073 U set packs from the front side re um and Etc um and I'm going to hand out you just need one so what you'll see um is at the bottom of the page under um site development regulations FL area calculation you turn the page and you'll see that war ratios St BS um so those sections are the ones that impact on massing I mean these are the pom exceptions when you get into architectural standards that's Article Five um building form um roof design slope materials next one down roof and height obviously Heights are part of the issue um so this is the document that governs how the town uh applies um filters applications to build home how big build uh is the starting point in ter of appr on I set so I'd like you to U but the next time we meet having gone through that so you're familiar with it um you don't need to spend too much time on a lot of it just focus on those areas okay where are we in I have it up oh good I didn't okay so let me we're sort of going backwards here um so this is kind of your CH expression for your homework so the next time we we're going to be discussing those sections um okay so um why we're here uh new development residential te Downs increasingly being replaced by much larger size homes this is some language um taking from another town how they describe issue massing but uh so I'm not the author I'm just reading El adverse impacts resulting from developing these oversiz zes is particularly intense in small Lots which afford little room for buffers these sucessfully large ownes are out ofct with long established neighborhoods overcrowd their properties have diminished the Privacy afforded to case the until recently dwelling sizes were wat think that's a key proportion our Market forces and I believe combined to alter this start building P to the point where larger size homes traditionally built on large lots are being built on small Lots there's concern of newly constructed homes in established neighborhoods looming over their neighbors and invading FES um okay what are the goals of the committee preserve the historic character of The District I we PR these out um preserve property values by maintaining historic character of The District um those are two different thoughts um we get into the F tension between F and property values some people would say that you increase the property value thank you of your home because you have more yes there an isolated com it's probably right but it applies in this very unique core District I don't think that true I think creates a value U here in in the cor district is unique is so a new structure should not exceed should not exceed the average vertical withm of year this a thought new additions to existing structure should conform to the architectural style by masing the of the existing we need to protect the life air privacy and na properties we need to encourage and sanitize homes that are more proportionate to the size of the um by the way I would ask your view of massing is is different discuss it today next meeting this is more of an informational meeting um let's agree on what what the issue is I think this is the isue I we probably need to that okay so now let's move into how we can conduct this process um so I came up with a mission statement develop recommendations to address M future renovations to construction new homes the district okay process um identify review sections Cod that okay um so what intelligence are we going to like from members of the ADH committee Town staff residents Consultants the city and town planning experience great to talk to that shortly Architects developers I think and research how other similar communities have address massively alluded to the Village of South some of those comments there develop broad list of options with pros and cons what changes want to finalized recommendations on the provisions to design manual code and the chair of the and our committee s recommendation C who in turn will present it to commission timeline B monthly meetings and finalize recommendation by so that's you printed all this out yes you can pass one more over to Michael great everybody has that so um any uh suggestions um what I just laid out are welcome I'm sort of just a guy organiz the meetings I need the input for them now I'm going to show you some pictures I've taken um see how how this works um have to make it smaller so okay so um so you see there sorry user error why is it do that's good enough all right um what you see there is that the second floor dominates um well dominates the upper part of that lot as opposed to a canopy go to the next one you can see the difference we have air light sky a lot of vegetations um and imagine that streetcape if we put up twostory homes and all these properties be radically different um let's go through I'm just going to illustrate other um that's um adjacent to a a one-story house and then behind that you can see there's two buildings to the south of that uh that are very tall um again the two Sil house you can see it how it dominates um two story house see how open all that is I know this Fe let go through it quickly again Sky vegetation same thing that's two adjacent properties with all vegetation when you R develop all most of that grows unfor Open Sky opposite um so enough of that so I think we all appreciate the distinction um this is two houses any but it's a recognition that ofation before you know it you wake up and the district will be very um and I guess question I would leave what do you want this to look like in 30 40 50 years and the decisions we make today will have something to do okay let me look um I think that covers how I wanted to get into this weine with the massing is um concerns some of our goals the section of the code you need to look at Drive future development I think important is is the input side from residents uh Consultants um and on that subject you want to talk a little bit about some of the consults sure to the arpb um Mr culture made some recommendations to to the staff in terms of uh this office that might be able to help us as a third party uh and so I did uh have quite a conversation with one who's Urban designer uh has a firm Miami they do work all over the United States uh he he was intrigued by the effort that we're making here in fact said come some kind of solution to n thing we would be invited to every planning uh that state planning meeting that that there was and being present our finding he he seemed again he seemed intrigued by it but I think he's his plate was full so he gave me some other recommendations uh and pray and I did meet with one of those his name is Daniel little he's Urban design director for the Treasure Coast Regional planning Council uh and we so we did a ride on the golf cart for about three hours through the cor area uh going house by house he he was very impressed by by what do stream has done already so but we did I did discuss all of the things that the chairman uh just discussed and issues that we probably need to address and I think he's interested he just was not able to be here today the nice thing about him is he does have a background Urban uh design and planning but his uh his degree is in architecture and so as we grow through the through the neighborhood I mean he's got his piece of paper out here he's he's drawing building W you know is f how can we begin to address this and uh because we we do have a fairly uh large number of houses that have this the wedding cake design and that was because of the construction of some of some houses uh that didn't have that and so that's a I think that's more of a recent uh uh amendment to our to our code but I I'm just writing down some things that I think we should try to have our consultant look at and a lot of them are what Mr Lions uh spoke of I have building form you know setbacks F effects of Landscaping on uh on this massing uh the effects of mading again on Aon FL the tunnel effect um uh and actually I wrote this down I I don't know in my 40 Years of City management I've never heard of this but I don't know if any towns have developed development requirements for individual Lots that's that's kind of far reaching and I don't know if that's legal or not but it might be something that we're actually it's almost like designing community and uh and the fact that that may be uh you know something that I mean the Treasure Coast is is there to assist uh uh towns and cities that's their that's theop there for a second would you give me a favorite Rene would you bring up the photos again because on individual Lots tyly the corner lots and I'm going try to bring up this mayor house which is at the end of H and East and okay um so you put up a large house on that corner it's going to make real big difference keep going up there yeah it's a bigot be able to be subdivided keep going I'll tell you thank you okay by the way go back the other one um that is a house that was built that subsequently we realized that for was an important part of massing um I don't know what it really shows the picture but it's basically walls going straight up um and so that makes it look very massive and while architectural design k cope with the nass fix but that's why you saw it in the architectur the list of sections in code up if I'm not mistaken think wasn't that house you probably remember one of them that kind of triggered yeah Mrs ke that triggered a lot of issues there walls that were two stories straight up that's probably one all the you mentioned not only that we also have a problem of of the height in the whole the FEA District in the height so you guys all need to know it's not only that but you everything new needs to be seven and a half fet maybe you go two stories about that that's creating a real creting one of the big issues making even seem taller is under the code actually it's it's yeah I'm glad you remind me that that's a key driver the complicates the sea walls too are going up going up the T coming up since I was a child here and the street some of the streets are going down so you know the water is going to dictate so the town did uh amend our code to allow a Max W what is that which sorry oh na or I mean there two different versions remember we back and forth one we've okay okay but we but we're consistent NG yes okay thank you yeah it's a new way of looking it yes two and that's correct the is even already considering racing the F Flor elevations as we speak uh so I think the the best example of one that we just approved was on 3,400 Polo I think we Pro seven or eight I think I can't uh but that's you know that's a good example of a lot that uh could have some impact on neighboring residence if it's built at 8 feet but the other thing that i' written down here are of course incentives to build one story houses or incentives to build two story houses at maybe amended type uh zoning requirements and these again are things things that I hope that our consultant would keep in mind as he looks at our neighborhood I was quite surprised before uh we met with him uh he had already looked at codebook and uh comparisons to other so again those are those are items I would hope that the consult would help us um the easy one on the height of buildings is that this time reference the femur um the lot on on Drive they're going to be 3T higher than the stream right and so the height the roof height is dictated from the first floor elevation not from the street so what's happening is we had a height limit but it was from the first floor elevation but because the Fe the first floor elevation keep going up and um some of the people bu B why go moreel Fe and then you get this tension because now on the street the house is even that much higher and so one of the things we consider if you want to build not the street level 3T by 4 feet go ahead but then we're going to take one foot from height Li and you just have to because these houses the second floors have very high ceilings as the first P under Cod right I mean they're pretty size so we don't regulate that we do regulate e height for first and second St that does somehow limit but but still you know you get good sizee in all these I me our code allows pretty big room and pretty high ceiling so those are the things we have look at so Tom is right the Fe thing is yeah on that when you're talking about I know what you're talking water's coming up everybody's going up you want to come down and uh some of that can be addressed basically through architecture engineering and design uh yes everybody likes you know not 8ot ceilings anymore 10 11 or 12 foot you know and on second floor same thing and uh you were talking about the ease of the heights you consider the TRU we have trust the traditional way we all build your house you know my house and the rest of them and sometimes some of us you know have had our TR people in town they sy so they get hyped within that by doing that in my knowledge and the that you can keep the outside of the house lower to the ground the inside is really getting taller and you have the e and everything and it works uh and a lot of people are doing that and you might want to address that another thing that's good and yeah like the orine house we talk old Jim or house across the corner of gol F and Polo drive on the northwest part you know the style of that house you know the whatever it is fr you know real tall piece real and they go way up as you pointed out you know that was a concern well the architectural style of the house a lot of the G homes you can cut off the top couple feet of the point I mean I can show you pictures from the street level the house is considerably lower and architecturally it actually look sort of better because you do have all that mask so I think that can be addressed through engineers and a good architect and that's having and by the way I'm glad you volunteer I'm glad you're with us that's very helpful um and I don't know if you fully understood what Bill said I think I did but if we could try to translate it not um okay let's Contin continue to go to the pictures I I want to correct I misspoke anything over 15 ft ceiling height is that reference inside the home so you have open two floor I know the town right I remember when I bu my existing house that was part of I don't know how that helps or hurts what you're doing I okay what we're doing we are doing right exactly um keep going I tell I just want to get to some those that's a now there's a corner um and that's on Gul stream and B and the house in background is my brother's the one to the left you can't see is the one story house and you know I'm I'm going back to Greg's comments about what happens on certain Lots you put a nak house there it's going to absolutely change and directly across if you keep going I'll show you oh right there that's the other Corner that's um on the um east side of that house that's one of the old Polo Cottages if you put two big houses I mean it's going to radically change it so that's talking lot I don't we can put anything on the table Anda um tell us we might get trouble I'm I thinking like plan communities they may have certain restrictions on on on individual plots I'm I'm not sure uh but I think that's I me if we're going to get this specific like Mr W he's showing individual lots and what could happen if you know this happens next to that house and so I you know if we want to try to uh look at our codes uh that specific you know and in that detail I'm not sure do that so well we we can talk about we do have some differences on we do and I was just sitting here thinking that our zining code is absolutely thing of beauty it doesn't will nothing that's coming through um in the future will ever look like it because of State preemptions we have something that is um it's like a time capsule that exists and we are able to use it uh and it it does differentiate between Corner Lots because if you're on a street and you have a different setback things like that um you know we have changed over the years to um in response to some developments that U the community did not like and now we're getting homes like you see and I don't mean to call anyone out but just as a way an example 5:30 old school a lot of you may be familiar with that if you are standing at the road at Old School your your um your eye level is at their finished floor elevation because it is very low on Old School the road is low um and it's that's just how due to Fem regulations it's had to come up that is very consistent with what our changes over the years have required that is a twostory structure that has a maximum of 50 % of the F on the second floor and it is set back uh at least 15 feet on either side of the second story so you have kind of the wedding cake uh tier that was also what you saw across from the mazos and next to ktie orwin's house on Gulf Stream Road another large house that was a demo and build where you have again um femo regulations that that come in and require it to be a little bit higher two story structure 15t setback with 50% on the on the second story so if you're if you're curious about what the zoning changes have done over the years that is really consistent with what we're seeing not that it's all Cookie Cutter but it is sort of pushing Us in that direction so in talking with Dan the contractor um from the state the local AG planning agency that was talking about said that it it's um it's a beautiful house but if you move the center massing in different places how would that impact uh massing or the community's feelings about uh the Aesthetics um so there's there's a lot we can do but I just want to acknowledge that our our zoning code is absolutely breathtaking in its application of what we're able to build in town um and I know Mr Kor actually built a single store home with his his demo in the core as did St home next to M so it's not to say that we are certainly going to see a lot of two-story builds uh when we have seen both a an end user and a spec build looking at a single story can take a flip through the pictures we refer to you that's on the corner go back this one the house that one so that's a prominent corner and across the street is a new twoy house and and talking about Canyon effect and again um I mean look at the amount of air scar vegetation the dominant perspective is openness uh and this will absolutely change our streets are narrow uh we want now um so this is the challenge we had to create incentives um the house next to me that train 32 our seide built originally it was at um One S house um and they throw it down and built a brand new house and they got a lot of square footage in the house I've been in it's very nice house um I think the term incentive um um let's create incentives fors people Gary I know one of things I found appealing about your experience was you started with a twostory house right yeah so I think what happened is originally the architect build a 5400 squ foot TW story house and started working on it then I think he was probably using the code from before you had the wedding cake or something and then he said you know no the most we can do is 4400 we always wanted one story forever so we wanted to at least get enough value out of at that point we just said well how big can we goild to one story and when they calculated it was basically exactly the same so to me I wonder like if you know not like set a different parameters stre off but if the consultant or if the town planner or somebody has to ability to say with the current code what can you do in a two story house and what can you do a one story house if it's if it's pretty close in most Lots which I have no idea if is not I mean I think at least I would much prefer one story if somebody you know and at that point if that doesn't quite get there if like some of the lot next to mine I think it's casso was the first lot that's only a 3500 foot house it looks like 5,000 foot because it's close to the road so maybe it's something where a set M or something for two story house can be a little bit further than the one story so whether you move the one story up a little bit the two story back a little bit if you can get the majority of the lots to be where you've got a one story house as big or bigger than a two story house may solve some of the problem without really doing much of way ofage so it be great I just would love to see like how much what what could be available on most slots today and how big of a difference it is it could be the interior totally different so let me suggest next meeting this meting four minutes um and I'm try to keep to an hour um we can certain get longer if everybody wants to um we view the code um and again I focus on the sections that I highlighted um it doesn't prude you from thinking outside the box and think about other ways of trying to manage massing but I think they probably fall in new sections any thoughts or suggestions you both made some suggestions um the other thing on the process that that I laid out um if you think there's a better way of approaching this um um please you know just comment the next meeting um I think input from third parties is always important so anybody's got a suggestion of our architect um anybody who is a resident or neighbor and you think they might be interested in Co to come um so just look at the process I laid out um it's a working process we think we should approach it differently please don't hesit um so today again it was mostly information I'm sorry for the missteps which I did um please I was years 2008 but it was during the 20 uh and if you I know everybody's driven down A1A you get to man you can you can see uh what they call Point What You Get There Is You by yeah going on into you get to that that stop you turn South and that gets you point out but if you're driving down A1A used to it was a nice combination of single stories and two stories it's not like that I mean you drive down there these one stories I know there's many many one stories that have been built now converted into two story homes and I've recently been in down on point their Library down there and I me the main road that go through I was just amazed because there it's all TW story homes and if you want a picture of the effect that has as driving down the road that's I would suggest that you do that it's two're thinking we're going to say we don't want TW story homes anymore I'd like to leave that as an open should be we should debate that I'm not suggesting that we should go there but we that's something we should consider those and cons but let's not just dismiss it okay and maybe it's you know on a particular loss do let just start broadly and then eliminate things that you can't do legally that are practic I think we should inad all you know with the price of know the price of those bocks so large that I don't think you want to make it I think lot of times they're forced to two stories to get much value as they can a great expensive we would need to find a way to make a one story house of equal value two story house and so maybe if we work towards that people be pushed to Second you don't want to build a 33,000 foot tax you're Define the goal which is to create the incentives for people keep yeah so without so how we get there is the task um I I I will say that U the good news is that while U you know I showed you pictures and what might you know where we are today what could happen down the road significant part of the I call it Redevelopment U renovations have remain one sord um so SE Seaside comes in uh the S wants to make as much money as anybody and he built a he built on stack a one story home uh sought you K house on bu Middle Road and you know they they love the house what yeah a hug it's a huge and his is 100 by 165 where on AR street it's 55 directly um west of p uh is a it's a new house one store so redesigned an old house they like's house oh they didn't tear it down no they got thing they were rebuilding for you know several years money and they they could have very well built two story that's 150 foot line so so you know I hear the poies are expensive people still build one so houses and and I I know guilt of being but the unique character is what ultimately I think reads the value over time otherwise you know we're not going be able to extinguish the code district following Greg is there any chance by the next is there someone in the town that is easy to calculate for sampling of what what the maximum one story the maximum two story I was going to address that I'm not aware of anything that would make that calculation different you are able to maximize your lot to say 5,000 square F feet doesn't matter if it's a single story or a two story the floor area ratio is so low that and set back you know you would be able to build a one story to that F just like you would a two story so what you're saying I'm I'm not really familiar with and all of our applications you know a one story versus a two story would have the same square foot on on all Lots yes so by the way on on the f um I did a calculation based on my property here I did a calculation not using buing down code in terms of f I use the village in Southampton um and I only can build 3200 ft here based on Village of Southampton I can build 51 52 so it's our f is jous versus the village of southt that's just one reference for that's another item that we obviously will have to look at because that's kind of a little bit and again I'm not suggesting we reduce it but Mayan we have to debate it those and CS yeah quick thing you're talking about I understand what you're saying but I've been you know looking from dist some of the photos up here in the character of this town when I was a child were they were all polar bars they were all polar cages and they're all built out of wood and most of them R by now and and when you look uh especially good representation get our Old School Road and Bion Road there like the North East quadrant there that nice l a couple times over the year there an old Polo Cottage as the other one is heading towards A1 a and and I don't know when they go I'm making up the 40s or the 30s or that's right on the dirt I I remember that house when you know before all the pumps you know full of water and and and and and the picture of looking over the house towards his brother's house you know that whole area is low in there and the houses were built at a lower elevation your brother's house I guess came later and it would build up a little bit higher but um all those are most of them are below deck M and uh you're going to have to they are going to go up in the air whether their one story houses it's going to look so different like if we build a new house on that one corner there or the one south of your brother's house or the two south of your brother's house on the corner they're going to look so much bigger even if they are story house because they're going to be going up several feet and you aren't going to be able to change them I so you go to two St see work the house next to me the new house uh from my um let me get this right south east corner of my house yes so the back of my house on the South Side um that property south of the the new house is got a walls about three 3 feet higher and um in terms of light um shade um it it it doesn't impact us at all and from the street it doesn't look that different it looks a little higher but but not but not to the point of closing the Vestor of the sky and Landscaping so um I really can be done and I'm sort of stuck we got to go PR and cons we got to work through all this thanks everybody we need to set the next meeting date please oh yeah um what do you suggest well you said bu monthly but Ending by May did you mean bi-weekly by monthly would be may you meant bi-weekly so do you want to do the week of April 8th or the week of the April 15th what works for y'all you do it before the 15 yeah got leave go out it could be you know before the 15th so the week or 13th what's a good day for you we sugges what's a good day for yall good day for me just over a DAT I'll tell you the week of the 8th week of the I prepare the 8 or the 12th okay the 12th is out because that's commission meeting yeah I can't do 11th but otherwise I can do 8 N9 10 is everyone available the 8 Monday the 8th wait let's do that what time 9 o' early early you want to do 8:30 or 8 o' you it you pick it earlier 8:30 on the as long as you know we we're all prepared and organized then you know you can get a lot done all right I'll send out a reminder in the any between meetings um what is the phoc about sunshine you can't talk you can't talk to one another you can talk to other members that are not a member of board you can talk to Residents please talk to staff you know if you have any thoughts You' like to share ideas off the bus and then just by way of I know Mr L you indicated that there's some homework for code Provisions do you have any homework for staff should we have a contractor here or we still just kind of getting going and we're g to have discussion between sit down with you and see who we're talking about and you glad to ask and we'll talk that tomorrow okay all right thank you thank you everybody me yeah