what really [Music] hello how are you I thought that agend right [Music] [Music] aare you're right you're right why why did you want me to move over there because that's where I had you so there we're okay we're good you say [Music] ready some of them were I believe in the agend just just this one picture I just they oriented with respect to so counselor coun all right let's call the meeting to order please uh Renee would you please do a roll call Mr roach H here Mrs orwine here Mr Smith here let it also be known present and participating as Town manager Dunham assistant Town attorney try nazaro myself and absent with notice is Malcolm Murphy Bob dockerty Paul Lions Brian Coulter and Carrie power thank you Renee um we all had our minutes in advance of this meeting do either of you have any comments questions changes or deltion no if not can I have a a motion to appr I move to approve the minutes of the former meeting I second Renee Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes Mr Smith yes thank you um Mr Dunham are there any additions withdrawals deferrals or Arrangements of the agenda items no sir okay thank you uh announcements you see we do not have an August meeting uh start again on September 26 if if either of you or I know that we're not going to be here at that meeting please let Renee know as soon as possible um Renee why are the tbds on November and December they conflict with Christmas and Thanksgiving again thank you okay okay I think we can move into the public hearing part of the of the meeting today uh is there any uh Declaration of expart communication no no thank you um Renee would you administer the o to all those who may speak today an raise your right hand you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God I don't know who you are please make sure I get your name when you I think I know most of you but all right first up today is an application by Richard G is Agent for door shimer and I believe this is um a continuation of of something we had at our previous meeting is that correct yes yes good morning good [Music] morning uh last time we met met I think most of you were here uh it was a discussion on uh 945 Indigo point and it was about artificial turf and the one thing at that particular meeting I was not aware of is your ordinance in place that has certain percentage of like you you basically use artificial turf as a hard surface as impervious uh with that calculation redone in front of you you should all have a a sheet that we redid did so it sh in the backyard all the darker green areas are all sod now which real real grass and the replica Turf is only around the fire pit only which is only 280 square feet so we basically changed out all the other areas that were going to be artificial turf to Rog grass um what about this the H area to the right of the pool that had originally been requested too it's it's that is grass so it's going to be grass too yeah yeah so the only all grass are side the only artificial turf is going to be around the the fire pit the fire pit yes um are you keeping that low hedge that we talked about along the uh sew wall yes that's already in buffer yes that'll be a buffer all the way along the whole seaw wall I can show you some photos of that Mr I I I got a pretty good visual of it try does this meet all the percentages and square footage so the question that I have is the the the home was approved uh with a certain amount of landscaped open space that would only allow an addition of 115 additional square feet so has there been an adjustment with removing part of a walkway or other um impervious areas to accommodate this excess of 115 square feet well right now where we are is the calculation is at 41 41 1.55 percentage 40 is perious we're at 41 so we're a little better than what your code is for perious areas I'm wondering if that was before the driveway changed yeah the driveway originally changed a little bit because the septic fi was so large we had to swing it to the left so we cut off a piece of that driveway so that was done subsequent to the uh the original home approval so with imp permitting and everything that adjusted okay given that sworn testimony regarding the adjustment of the driveway to decrease the impervious um I think that we're we're okay with the the calculation you move you did the driveway got compressed a little on to the left mve and did you take away some some patio stones around either the left or the right how how did it happen that that did it the driveway oh yeah the driveway did it the Chang is there okay um Curtis or Katie any questions well you know looking at this uh at the thing that you the handout the the only part the only uh artificial turf is going to be that little half half green square where rectangle yeah it shows replica replic and that is how many square feet is that 280 square feet okay okay now that's um it's an improvement from what I had seen and read before any other questions um I think I think we're good thank you you guys did a nice CH do we have a motion can one of you okay I [Music] will uh so um what you have in front of you you may need to change a little bit excuse me what you have in front of you you may need to change up uh I'll I'll make a motion to approve uh the U the inclusion of artificial turf and Landscaping modifications which now meet the criteria of the design manual and the uh the applicable reviews is there a second I second moved in seconded Renee Mr roach uh yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes thank you great Improvement thank you next up Paul carine good morning morning I'm Lise from Affinity architects just a second does Renee have your contact info and name uh she should yeah okay yeah two things you can go ahead and start L okay they've got it in front of them okay good um today we're presenting Lot 8 uh Blue Water Cove this is a new home uh Georgian style what we tried to do with this uh new home was make sure that it was different from any other one in the street uh it ended up being uh way less than the allowable square footage so uh other than that uh we don't have any uh um hide restrictions because it's a one story um and uh the main thing we tried to do was uh we have another two Georgian sty in that same street we want to make sure that all of those look different from one another so we use different uh uh trim details different uh overhang details so we believe is completely different from the rest and um and again we're way below the square footage allowable for that area in that lot does this application include the dock or is that coming to us later I mean it's in here but are you is the dock part of this request um not sure I don't think I believe it's part of the community okay appr yeah we dealt with that before a house has to be built before the dock could be built right there so one of the issues in here is the is the front entry um and you've given us an example of of two different heights of a front entry because Trey could you refresh our committee um what's going on at the Town commission level sure so the excuse me um our massing um at hoc committee met and staff had a number of items that we were talking about one of them was uh entry features for one and two story homes that was sort of uh put to staff to make a recommendation to the town commission to make an adjustment as uh staff was sort of suggesting after looking into isue um so we presented ordinance 241 for first reading last month which would increase uh two-story uh entry features a certain uh amount and in that ordinance was also an increase in one story structures entry feature from 14 to 16 fet so if you see in your application materials uh there is a 16t entry feature uh that the applicant is seeking approval for which would be cons consistent with the ordinance as um as anticipated to be approved on second reading at the next meeting um so you can go ahead and review this with an eye toward um that 16 foot entry feature being acceptable under the code certainly if you have any issues or if you would prefer the you know the lower entry feature we can have that discussion as well as part of a recommendation to the town commission are any of the other houses on U in in Blue Water going to have 16 foot entry features possibly just possibly okay but all of the ones that have so far been constructed are 14 or less I I believe the uh lot four that is correct yeah lot four was um 14 feet okay well well if we approve it we would be approving it subject to the commission commission approv um I actually think that the higher architecturally the higher um entry way looks better on this than than the lower one I don't know you guys feel okay with that yeah my only uh my only feeling now obviously this is the the house that is at the end of the cove and sort of the the pre one of the two Premier Properties so uh I can see it getting a you know a little bit of extra yeah footage exact but I I was just concerned that I didn't want it to look like you know this is the elite structure on you know because because it's a it's a development that should be harmonious and and uh but I too agree that the the uh you know the picture we have here of it make it look fine subject to approval of the commission and that is taken to the very top of the roof entry feature so you know it is you know 16 essentially a 16 foot tall you know roof is kind of how it was put by the developer that's just a small roof over uh you know where they're they're going to be landing portica shares I think are prohibited under the code so you're not going to get a very large massive entry feature that has a large square footage underneath um also within the ordinance We just cleaned up the language a little bit regarding entry features so it'll read entry features if used shall provide a sense of arrival yet shall not overpower them or the remainder of the structure so there's that there's that key into it it's okay to be 16 feet as long as it doesn't sort of detract or the massing is inconsistent with the rest of the the structure or uh you know the scale and proportion of ENT feature shall be consistent with the rest of the structure so if there's something that makes that stand out a little bit too much we would have perview within the code to say you know that's may meet it at 16 feet but the rest of the ordinance you know it's it's falling short also ties in the eve height ties in a little better in the higher one I believe at least in this one is there someone here that can tell us a little bit about the Landscaping plan or yes that's a blank slate isn't it good morning uh my name is Louis vahos uh justic use Landscape Architects um the landscape um basically it was it was somewhat of a challenge considering that the garage and we had a almost a double driveway going into the back with the motor Court um but one of the main features to screen from adjacent properties and so forth we're proposing an 8 to 10 foot um property line hedge um on all sides as you can see two large date palms in the front on either side of the entry kind of keeping with a formality of uh Georgian style and so forth and um so is the um the the understory landscape and uh obviously we've got the two uh existing live BS which are streetcape trees at uh both corners of the property coming in and then in the center there are another large element uh just a large light Guster we didn't want to overpower or hide the date ponds it was just something that basically as you walk uh inside and outside you're not looking at down the street uh for SE um understory plants as you can see the elevations uh basically complimenting uh the architectural um and in in the back um we have an Infinity size pool uh per owners request we eliminated a lot of our initial Paving and as you can see there's a lot of grass even uh between the separation of the pool and the spa we created some privacy around the spa and a lot of the color that you see in our rendering is for again for owner's request uh she loved buan Villas and other flowering plants so um that's basically what we are proposing but in the back basically two large dat ponds some foxel Palms uh that are complimenting the architecture architecture elevations in the rear and um basically we have a a a small fire pit and seating area to the South uh Southeast I should say and to the Northeast uh obviously just some low uh privacy for the for the inground Spa um the the plantings around it provide privacy for the put the same token do not obscure any of the views to the water um that said any what's the Hedge going material going to be um we are proposing 8 to 10 foot Calum uh we found it uh available uh full to the ground uh and it will be the effect will be immediate it'll go in hot six or eight feet right from the beginning it'll be eight foot okay any questions from either of you no no okay Greg Trey sir it's very very nice um we need a motion actually I have one from a setback perspective is a fire pick considered a minor accessory structure so it is and we don't have any detail on whether that is going to be a built-in or if they're just going to kind of move it out so that's something that was uh uh did come up on our review um and discussions with the the owner so we can just maybe get some clarity do you know if that fire pit is a permanent structure or if it's just pavers um more than likely it's it's going to be a uh prefabricated uh it won't be a built-in uh for example uh but even if it was we meet all the setback requirements uh in in the front we have the 20ft uh rear require enironment uh from the water and the 10t uh property line uh setback from from the par property line so if they do change we do meet their requirements but more than likely um we might not even have one so uh it's a seating area basically is what it is right now um it's an option for the owners to decide upon if they want to add to it down the road we'll we'll have uh gas lines Etc correct uh provided for for the fire pit but uh it won't be something that will be a built-in from you no I'm I'm good um we need a motion okay I'll make a motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan based on the finding that the construction of a 6,343 ft Orin on story single family dwelling with a three-car garage and swimming pool including new landscape and Hardscape meets the minimum intent of the design manual proposed ordinance 241 and applicable review standards with the following conditions one any minor modification of the approved Landscaping shall be submitted to the town manager for for review and approval and any major modification shall be brought back to the arpb for R for review and approval prior to commencement of the Landscaping I second Mr roach uh yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes thank you and my apologies they have updated this system and it's not letting me share so y'all are going to have to use your paper in front of you for this meeting thank you GRE Mark Hunley good morning good morning my name is Mark Henley I'm the agent for the uh project and one of the managing partners of our Architecture Firm shet International architecture with me is my fellow partner Paul shet founder of the firm um the project in and of itself there's a rear Cabana already on the property and essentially this is a I won't say a refresh but it's a replacement that's a better word for it uh demolishing the existing Cabana uh building a new Cabana in its place um we are within setbacks we are not asking for any variances we are within height restrictions um it's a very simple 300 square foot structure um facing the Waterway behind the property at 16 South and um I believe that is 16 South Hidden Harbor um and I believe that's about it 300 square foot Cabana replacement with no variances requested single story no height restrictions um I had a question the roof itself it's kind of not symmetrical but I guess it's because it it ties into the architectural out of the house itself see that so I could see the picture there's no it wasn't designed that later on you're going to want to go out six more feet on that side to make it a symmetrical rout that's correct yeah the the house itself if you look at some of the front and rear of the house has a lot of the sloping shed roofs that this is very much mimicking and tying in with the overall architectural style of the existing residence well I noted from reading the U reading the past minutes which I was not at that meeting about the the exposure of glass and uh that's all uh Trey is that now all been brought into uh yes that was a pre-application meeting with staff where we indicated that they would need to meet a certain percentage of glass so that has been reduced and and is is met take it against consideration the house and and the new structure or is it it was just the structure itself itself yeah it's down to only 40% glass I think it's um something 34 I thought I or something I think in the kind of architectural drawing rendering I I see it's so there was originally some additional glass on top of the the the door I guess area which has been removed Katie any questions comments is any vegetation being removed to construct the new Cabana there might have been some existing ground planting around the backside that was for screening and uh our client is coming back in with full PR landscape plan in two months I but but no trees huh no trees no no trees no tree REM okay um I don't have any other questions well I think of it as being a lot of glass still but uh I'm not you know as long as it meets the criteria I don't see any well we can look at that I think the wall it would be um the wall facing the water which would be the north elevation we're talking about right maybe you could just explain to us what what you changed um yeah it was the glass over oh okay so the the sliders are okay so the sliders or whatever the fold back doors are is the glass portion that you didn't change that size of that opening no it was just trans removed they want to use it as you know during the beautiful weather of the winter you know as an open and that's why it's as open as it is what else is on the side there there's a garden station and then is there anything else no that's okay it's going to tie into the existing septic system is there is there Plumbing to the one you're taking out yes yes there is already okay yeah there's already existing bathroom and sink in the existing structure so it's a need a motion is there other questions okay um I'll make a motion to approve a demolition permit uh to remove the existing cabanis structure we have to can we do all three at once okay we we do need three separate approvals you need to do them separately please I second May Mr roach uh yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes and I'll make a motion to approve a landing clearing permit to clear existing vegetation to allow for a new Cabana I second Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes and thirdly I'll make a motion to approve a level two architectural site plan to permit a new 300 square foot on story Cabana I second Mr Roach yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes thank you thank you thank you man Dustin [Music] Melle or Tom oh yeah I don't think so good morning environment Design Group Erica got again nice to see you I'm here with Mr Murphy and Jason berer uh for the variance application for 555 Pelican Lane for a uh a dock um application concrete dock that we are um is being refurbished and this was brought about as a uh completion of the uh seaw wall restoration project which was obviously necessary and we've also last month had approved a a site plan and Landscape plan for the same site um I'm going to not go into details but I'll hand it over to Mr Murphy and uh and Jason Vader for the uh for the details good morning morning um I think the Genesis of this application is interesting in itself in the sense that we had a failed seaw wall um one of the longest seaw walls in the in the in the town to orient you um drif of landing and at Pelican Lane and this is 555 Pelican which is the house at the very end that is the West End of Pelican coming down from A1A and looking at the George Bush Bridge uh it is the last Canal on this on the south of Pelican Lane in Gulf Stream to give you a little background um and I'm sorry to spend additional time on this but it may be necessary um to understand why we're here today back in 1945 Sally Brown and her husband the legendary WL Lions Brown from Louisville Kentucky bought what is now known as drifford Landing from a guy named Christensen Mr Christensen if memory serves me correctly built the house that WL and Sally bought in 1945 WL and Sally also bought a house which is the subject of this hearing this morning which is now called 555 Pelican briefly after that purchase Sally and WL sold the home to Warner Jones the legendary owner of Churchill Downs and Mr Jones and his wife used it as a winter resident residence for a short time at which time Sally and WL bought it again Sally had four children Lee Brown Jr who's sadly died on June 9th um just a little over a month ago Martin Brown Oley Brown and AA brown bond three of those children have spent their entire lives here in this town during the winter Martin Lee and AA Howley did not uh spend much time here except to visit his parents in addition to these children their children have spent all of their winter here as well Martin had four children Suzanna who is the owner of 555 now Martin Jr is building a house which is almost completed in Driftwood lanting and his sisters um Eliza and Nina who are owners of two homes that are on property adjacent to 555 Pelican also in Driftwood Landing in addition there is another Sally grandson who is living right around the corner which if you go to the canal on the north side of drif for landing and go east to the ocean you'll see a home that we all know and love at Lemon Hill which is owned by Austin musclean the applicant's first cousin this family is known not just in this state but in Louisville and elsewhere as some of the greatest conservationists and preservationists and philanthropist in the United States history they believe in conservation they believe in protection they believe in community and the support of the community if you look at the history of their lives in Gulfstream there's nothing about them that is pushy shovey wanting extra attention because of their longevity they are good solid neighbors and we are here today because of a failed seaw wall at 555 just as we were here in 2020 for a seaw wall owned by Lee Brown the seaw wall in question Susanna Brown seaw Wall I call her brown but her name is Susanna Scott Barnes her married name um had to be built seaword of the existing seaw wall made things complicated because it brought into play the existing dock the existing dock from 1951 when this code was not in effect that is a concrete dock concrete polars and a concrete deck it's twin is located at Lee Brown's house immediately north of Susanna's property which was built even earlier than the previous dock they are twins this is not an application for a new Duck what happened is when they were building the seaw wall they had to remove a part of it because they're having to put a seaw wall seaword of the existing seaw wall and the seaw wall contractor whom we well know there who came to the rescue at Lemon Hill I might add um was faced with a predicament he found that part of that that dock the deck was dangerous and it had to be restored and therefore it was replaced this was not an attempt on the part of my client to engage in a subterfuge staff knew that this process was going on and in fact because it would interrupted the completion of the seaw wall gave Jason permission to pour subject to the application for this variance there is nothing I can say today that would change the current code the current code clearly says the docks of this town shall be parallel to the seaw wall and they will be constructed of wood but since this is not an application for new docks and since we have le dock to the north and we have the dock that was existing prior to the renovation and replacement of the seaw wall we are merely asking that we be allowed to restore what has been here for decades by the way and I think this is important this stock is not and never will be used for parking boats Lee Brown stock was not built and was never used for parking boats it is used merely to take a look and see what's happening on the inter Coastal and throwing a line in the water if I can approach that's an interesting picture from 73 which kind of gives you an idea of what the dock is used for that's a a grouping of one of the Browns and children um with their fishing poles um on the dock so unlike other occasions when I've been before you when I'm looking for a variance and it is clearly an application for new build um and relief from setbacks and the like I want you also to knowe that no one in the town of gstream can see either of these ducks um even Jim try who lives north of Lee can't see it unless he goes out on his boat lift and looks South because there are no Gulf Stream residence south of 555 we have a canal that then becomes Del residence across that Canal so we have no situation where we are ask asking for Relief where we're going to affect the views of a neighbor which we've had before before the arpb we are now looking to extend the boundaries infringe upon boundaries uh have some Hy height um relief these are this is a very modest vacular home from 51 and interestingly enough except for a teen addition that I think wheatman is doing this is a plain vanilla wrapper a plain vanilla rapper I might add in a town which has been funed with applications for bigger is better I don't think it is I think proportionality is important the beautiful homes on the beach have land the homes that have been built recently in this town are using every available square foot it's allowed but I think unnatural so over time the Brown family have used their docks peacefully quietly um safely and unobtrusively and all we ask of the arpb and ultimately the commission is to let us have the doc that was there in 51 plain dock concrete structure matching its twin to the north that salad Brown and her husband WL and their kids used for decades thank you thank you Tom it's obviously a little peculiar do you remember why the dock was in that slanted aray to begin with instead of straight out in the water is there some explanation for that there's no one left to tell me because Sally's gone okay so tell us what is still there is there anything still there I mean is is the the old remnants of the stone peers there there pictures no that that that was from a long time ago well yeah but if you go back it'll show you what is there le le do is here was was restored let's Le and you can see Le do and you can also see this stock before it was repaired and before the seaw wall was put in uh just for the record I'm Jason Bader with Marine engineering and construction I'm a marine contractor in this area I do quite a bit of work in Gulfstream um this this particular dock has not changed in location height width or length um it's still in its exact location we restored the concrete from the piles up the foundation remained remained in place and is still in the same you know same spot it was and it's still in the same condition it was you may talk about why you had to remove part of it and then the so the at the federal and at the state levels uh the the procedure to put a seaw wall in is to um for Mar of reasons is to put the new wall in front of the existing wall so they require us to basically cut all the overhang back take the dock out if there's any angled batter piles we have to remove those then the new wall panel goes right in front of it and pour new capital over top of all of it this dock structurally was tied into the existing seaw wall so in order for us to get the new seaw wall past that dock a section a portion of the dock needed to be cut back so our original drawing and design of plans that were approved by the town show a section of the dock being removed to allow the new wall to go in and then that that small section being repaired the course of doing that demolition we discovered that the reinforcing on more than just the area that we were going to remove was very deteriorated and was an unsafe condition so at that time we made a decision to go ahead and try to restore that portion of it as well again the dock hasn't changed in size location height or width Tom oh go ahead no fa let's go ahead so these are these are basically 10 or 11 foot docks that that go out the doctor mentioned is 5 foot wide by 20 or 10 yards I mean 10 or 11 yards right 5 5T wide and 25 ft long yeah and they they wouldn't be obviously they wouldn't be approved now uh no way however um however it is it it does throw it into a variance and um did you address Tom did you address all the uh the variance criteria i' be happy to go over that I mean I I think from this standpoint that that in future you know future uh uh things before the arpb to ensure that somebody else doesn't come to us and say well the Browns could do it but why can't we you know uh I think that um you know you should give a little bit of attention to that yeah public uh at this time we can uh take public Comon if it sure go ahead for the record Mark Marsh Bridges marshan associate um as most of you know I'm very familiar with the property and the Browns and I think the board has the option here or the position to look at this more of a historical reference they're almost one of the Pioneers up the town and I think to restore something that was originally obviously a approved and constructed I don't think it would be a remiss and any kind of preferential uh treatment here I think this is more a historical element that has existed since 50s 40 41 45 the others1 so you might put some historical Merit in your position in viewing this that's all I have say yeah it is and I I agree that it is historically there and uh I'm you know I'm just trying to look ahead a little bit to make sure that that we don't get further you know further uh incidents where people said well you approved this and you know I can see uh I can see good reason I mean it as the picture is to note it looks terrible the way it is you I you're uh and it should be either one taken out or two repaired right well Susanna had had a hsian choice she had to repair the SE wall the Army courp said you have to have it seword therefore she therefore Jason is faced with the fact that he's got to take a part of the the the dock off and then he's faced with an the instability he finds on the other side Suzanna never wanted to spend the money for a new Dock and it was never a part of her landscape plan um it wasn't even part of Lee's plan which which never came before I was a part of a variance during the um renovation to Lee's house Sally and his father's former house but it didn't have anything to do with the dock uh when the seaw wall was replaced they also approved the Improvement uh and restoration of the dock so we are here because I think staff looked at this and wanted to uh have an appearance by the applicant for the very reason that you bring up now and thank you to Mark Marsh but the reason I dwell on the Brown's historic preservation is because these are original homes le as well as Susan's uh there are very few left I mean we have a smattering of beautiful homes on the ocean that go back the Vanderbilt home is I think still from the 20s for example but in the estate section as you well know we took down that beautiful home that was owned by Mrs Hutton um which borders uh hidden Harbor and so this town is going going gone and good for the Browns they're keeping the historic properties and they're now looking to put up a mansion on the ocean on the inter Coastal whose land price itself justify such a such a move on their part you know I feel like I'm begging for something and it's kind of embarrassing for me I've known these folks for 31 years um they're my friends and neighbors as well as my clients and if we don't protect and and defend the idea of preservation in this town and make a difference to somebody who says well that's because the Browns own Jack Daniels no has nothing to do with that it has to do with continuity preservation and fairness Tom I think everyone appreciates the Browns we all know the Browns and U and I'm talking of those who would make that argument and they they have been model citizens and conservationists as you say um but you know I'm you know I'm just I'm just trying to to hedge against against the future but uh if we could if we could if there were an approval process if we could mention the historical uh nature of these of this home and in fact the dock and and this was due to no no uh no desire or no you know move to change anything that was already there I I see that no we we address that that in the points that one has to uh raise um restoration I said conforms to the historical vacular of this small Bungalow and dock uh did the special conditions and circumstances result from the actions of the applicant no will granting the variance confer upon the applicant any special privilege denied by the zoning code to whether lands Etc no the requested variance is unique in this to this 1951 property and to the brown family's property located immediately north of the subject property at w drift would Landing the concrete docks and pilings were built at the same time these residents were constructed one Driftwood in 1945 and the applicants in 1951 uh I addressed the idea that no other stream residents with property located on the inter Coastal Waterway or in fact anywhere will be even able to see uh the restoration which has been around in its original state um for what 70 and 80 years um is it the minimum variance yeah only Restoration in the original dock provides the historical continuity of this 51 home um and I think that as Mark said the the town should support uh historical accuracy of original Gulfstream homes and their a pertinent structures um and I don't think granting this variance um uh will permit any prohibited use or reestablishment thereof um I think it's consistent with the goals of this community um I could go on but I'm repetitious now I think if if you were coming to us with a brand new dock in this configuration it would flunk almost every one of the eight points that that are here as a test so I think it really comes back to um more of the historical significance of preservation yeah I do too I when when Lee Brown redid his doc it was there did it come before us I don't remember that it did not no okay so uh it was a restor it was a repair I think we did not understand the depth of the repair that was being undertaken and if had we known we would have required a variance so I think our decision is not would it would it pass if it were coming to us as a new as a new so the the real criteria here or the re you know or one of the major potential issues although I don't really consider it to be such is it it's 5 foot6 Ines versus widths of five feet which are now allowed however this is this does go back historically and um you know I I I don't I don't have any major well I'm trying to think of the waterways in Gulfstream where where this could where you could do this anyway I mean they're not really many that I can think of not out into any of the canals I wouldn't get anywhere important to note also that it was approved at at the federal and state level by the cor it's actually on their property isn't it their property goes all the way out into the water like that it does um if I if I remember correctly the the previous dock U was in wor shap I think it was and was almost like an emergency to and the seaw wall fell into the intra Coastal falling in so well it's certainly special conditions and circumstances and it's been there before I actually i' with you on the width um but I think from the safety features I almost wish it were a little wider than that you know five feet isn't very wide when you're 30 30 going out 38 feet um the um I I any other questions yeah I mean I can't see making a an issue of shortening it by half a foot you know because of the historical basis of what's there um and do you have any questions Katie no I mean my only question would be and I think that there's such a strong case for preserving the historic nature of the dock and of the property if the house were to sell is there any issue with the next owner tearing it down and putting a big boat out there that we would have no okay no they couldn't do that they'd have to come back again and um I I I can't imagine the is so bad there I can't see [Music] anybody so right so if that is the case you know we would not approve a forpost lift out in the water would to be be consistent with our code so could could they dock a boat there certainly just pull it up and tie it off but it seems like that's not really a that's kind of a nonar get a boat destroyed if you tie it off on that concrete P the way it's built you know at an angle you probably I mean the four boat four post Boat Lift probably wouldn't be able to be built incidentally I don't believe the Army approve a boat left in that area navigation set so I'm not sure that anybody V there this point okay okay so there's no uh there's no need to put in a further statement that under you know with h the understanding that there will be no boat that's sort of taken for granted is that I mean I just want to make sure that we cover ourselves we can certainly put in a condition that the doc cannot be used for um construction of a boat for any Bo the um you know to dock boats temporarily or permanently permanently they could TI some boat up there and let people on and off yeah I wouldn't want to prohibit that but no no no construction of a of a boat L okay which I think we would be able to just handle administratively through our own permitting process I mean we would not approve that a for postlift or anything correct I think that would be unnecessary interesting to not that the owners chose not to put a dock a dock at all even on the canal side they only rest the sea I mean it's really an amazing thing when you think of that the the size of that property that they're just keeping it this it's oh keeping it intact is yeah definitely so the best view of this of these are from the Georgia Bush Yes actually yeah an interesting fact about Sally Brown before I go and that is there was the original home of George Rogers Clark in Louisville who was with Maryweather Lewis Lewis and Clark explorers and Sally Brown saw the state of the house called Locust Grove and she would not tolerate and put up all the money to restore that house Sally was also incensed by the fact that on the Kentucky River there was about a thousand acres that was at risk called The Bluffs and that she didn't want to see a Marriot or some Resort and people you know out there on the banks in this beautiful natural Bluff and Limestone or whatever it was and so she rallied the troops and she herself personally bought 660 acres to protect it she kept doing things like this she was the chief propon proponent of the ex extension of the Arctic Wilderness under Jimmy Carter's Administration her efforts go on and on and on and finally before I leave Betty Brown who was suzanna's mother who died entirely too early um and predeceased her husband Martin who died five years ago Betty after a tornado hit Nashville uh personally was responsible for the restoration of 300 trees and a pathway so that East T East Nashville could have a green space again and that's now known as the Betty Brown path so these people are remarkable in terms of their determination to preserve protect defend including Austin and ashborne farm in Louisville they're remarkably uh compassionate kind uh for the philanthropic people thank you are we ready okay I'll make a motion to recommend approval of a variance to permit the restoration of the original concrete dock in the dimensions proposed on the application material uh perpendicular to the seaw wall I seconds Mr Roach yes Mrs or yes chairman Smith yes and I'll make a further motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan for a dock as proposed in the application material a second Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes would be nice thank you very much and and suzan I I did not mean to to get overly involved but I was merely thinking of you know the future right yeah is it going to is it ramp up now you have to go up a little from is the dock going to be the height of the seaw wall okay I did he maybe one mistake you say the doc is 38 long on the application that corre it's only 25 wow it says um says 37 and 39 feet it's only well it's did you guys have this because this site plan shows it being being way longer 37 and 39 ft it's a mistake if if we could um get that revised we have our our agenda goes out um this week so I mean how soon can you get that to us yeah I can get that to you okay perfect great thank you actually better thank you thank you very thank you for your history to we'll see [Music] you all right Mark last but not least hamstr here with we lost our we lost our audience this is it uh good morning again uh for the record Mark Marsh Arch Bridges Marsh Associates represented Scott and Lisa Morgan at 1140 North Ocean Boulevard G stream um we're here this morning to address an expansion to a existing guest Cottage um which is a separate building from this m house um just to give you this was the first house I actually did in gstream back in the early 80s um and we subdivided the section from Lemon Hill which was a challenge on itself and why it was so unique is as you've seen some of the photographs and I'm sure most of you have been to the house it sits in effectively a gully um which was a watershed Gully from actually the golf course coming south to Del re and everybody said it's just a swamp it's going to be a hazard water so uh we um did this for the merits um back in the 80s and then Scott and Lisa bought it and we did an addition I would say in the early 2000s um for a wing um the uh building in question is an original part of the let me just call it in this State um it's freestanding it's on a high it's actually on one of the highest parts of the property and it sits up fortunately all my material is not available but I think you can understand where it sits it sits in a very uh very overgrown very heavily landscape which um I'll have Sean go through with you so what we're doing here is obviously I think this was if I recall really more of a staff um help uh building and obviously the Morgans have now used it for guests and family um but it's really kind of undersized and the request is to add another uh bedroom and bathroom um it's the expansion has no impact on any of the uh zoning criteria it's still almost 80 ft from the right away on A1A um it's nestled as you'll see in the photographs in in the woods um and the architecture is going to reflect obviously the style of the main house um so I will make it short because Tom used up all my time um and I'll deal with any architectural questions that the board may have um it is a bit of a challenge because we're we're building on this Hillside so we do have to build a retaining wall on the east side just to extend the floor level but it's kind of exciting to build on a sloping side in Florida they it's not flat there is there still still a little bit of a slow I got to so are you going to dig in dig in a little bit yeah and create a retaining wall which you'll see um so and it will be not visible from anywhere it say the established Landscaping buffers it to the road and as they said it's the materials are obviously concrete um tile simulating a shake look uh this was our first Anglo Caribbean house to be done in in G Street so U Mark you're going to take out some trees um yeah I'll let um oh okay I'll just show you the architecture first and then I think the landscaping or clearing comes up with Sean so any questions on the architectural I said everything's going to mimic what the what's there on the main house so yeah you tie the design completely into what it already looks like and that ties into the house itself doesn't they whole yeah you work with the merits CC Meritt and Bill Meritt oh yeah it was a interesting time I knew him well she was Cece was a real character see they had the merits originally she had inherited all the property including Lemon Hill from Mr Harold Johnson and his wife and so she I I couldn't believe she decided to build a house there to begin with it was a miracle job that you did there yeah it's very dry it's dry it runs on to me now I think it's Hollow yeah you're on the sou side but you have no Pro I mean this has no impact I mean it's Nestle there I mean it's it's actually a wonderful piece of property and Morgans have done a great job maintaining it so you're not going to put any go go to AR you're going to go to the trees some trees put we going to PL replant anything at all at the moment it's basically just as needed because it's it's basically a jungle on the back side and we really want to keep the natural feel and look so it would be out of place for us to start creating a garden especially in the the dead space in the back of the space it's a really large ficus tree though right one one really big tree the the Fus I actually went went by and I've got pictures on my phone I went by right before the presentation just to regrasp everything and and the f is it it is substantial but it's very bare at top it's something that really is just fading away with time especially with the white fly and not getting any treatment so we definitely want that out regardless I can at least speak for myself as probably the only neighbor that'll ever see it I I think it's um It's a Wonderful Plan and it it will not be obtrusive to me I don't think anybody in the north I don't think anyone will be able to see it whatsoever no matter know what what happens there's a huge Dead Sea grape tree just laying back behind all of it that I don't think anybody even knows about so I mean that was my clear indicator that no one will ever even know what's going on back there we did not hear from any neighbors okay any questions or comments I have seems fine to me beautiful job if not then can we have a motion Katie anything from you question making points with Katie good I'll make a motion to approve a landing clearing land clearing permit to clear existing vegetation to allow for an addition to an existing guest house I second Mr roach yes Mrs orn yes chairman Smith yes and I'll make a further motion to approve a level two architectural site plan to permit a 468 square foot addition to an existing guest house I second Mr roach yes Mrs orwine yes chairman Smith yes Mark one question where are they going to come in from to do the construction from from from the driveway on the part most likely and that driveway is I think Tom you know that's the original yeah drive to Lemon Hill part of it oh really okay okay thank you all thank you you good job on here um items by staff just appreciate uh board member orwine for her attendance as an alternate again this month making our Quorum and keeping staff on on our toes by having some really insightful comments so thank you everyone better get used to it k items by board anybody or Katie anything no there's no public here we are adjourned thank you I have a 20 minute