##VIDEO ID:jOSMDugANC4## e e e e e e e e e fine iing we're quite old scho okay all right okay good morning everyone welcome to this morning's meeting of the Architectural Review Board of Thursday November the 21st um Renee please can you uh take a roll call Mr roach here Mr Smith here Mr Lions here Vice chairman doerty here chairman Murphy here also pres and participating as Town manager Dunham assistant Town attorney Naro and myself thank you um I hope you've all had a chance to read the minutes of our last meeting on October the 17th there aren't any adjustments or amendments or comments could I have a motion please to approve them and will they be approved if presented second Mr roach uh yes Mr Smith yes Mr Lions yes Vice chairman doerty yes chairman Murphy yes uh Renee any additions withdrawals deferrals or change of order in the items I don't believe so great and as you can all see our forthcoming meetings our next meeting meeting is on December the 19th and then we go into 2025 um and so with that we go on to the public part of our meeting this morning and um has there been any expart communication with reference to the applications in front of us this morning no no no neither of I thank you Renee please could you administer the oath to anybody who wishes to speak this morning stand raise your right hand to tell the truth the whole truth nothing Pro to help you thank you and so we move on to the first item on our agenda this morning the application for uh development at Blue waterer Cove Gulfstream good morning I'm Luis rera from Affinity Architects and um all right uh the first uh home we presenting today is uh lot five on blue water Cove it's a Georgian style uh home with a uh one story elevation uh if you go to the next U slide um that's the location of the lot in reference to the rest of the lots that we've been working on um the next is a comparison of the houses that are have been approved approved are are now under construction um ours obviously slot five which is right there on the right side um next slide is our roof calculation which shows our area of flat roofs um and it shows the calculation that we're below the allowable um number that allow uh below the 10% yeah % eight is it eight yeah next one is the floor plan is a three bedroom uh four bedroom house one story as I said before uh on our next slide uh is uh the next slide shows us the uh the colors selection uh for the roof tile shutters uh and stuck up and uh the next slide is a view of the rear elevation um showing the pool landscape and covered porch next is a 2d representation of the front and rear elevation um this is where we show our uh rear window calculation showing that we're below our allowable percentage next are the side elevations uh showing all the locations of all the shutters uh on the side views and uh allowable Heights and and the next uh is uh the landscape my colleague uh Lou is gonna talk about that a little bit good morning my name is Lou Laos Majestic views landscape architect good morning um just to go through the basics uh we've got the clusia Hedge on uh both both sides of the house as is uh uh common for uh this development in the back there's a combination of the fishtail Palms poter carpus hedge and then the uh required uh five uh green buttonwoods um and on top of that we have um in in the back Palms um some flowering um exor U mly grass and low ground covers and textural uh materials uh underneath the Palms in the front we have the uh three um 16 foot Oaks which is the streetscape trees um up against the building flanking either side of the entry we have uh four large Fox Palms kind of formal and also accentuating the Georg style architecture of the building um in addition we have uh uh caliph filims and large lustrum trees again uh textural stuff uh we have some uh poras which is Brads some uh Walkin Blue Iris um then again um uh Carissa uh blue days as low Ground Covers pulling everything uh together from the foundation planting in addition on the side garage we have uh some fish still Palms on top of the clusia Hedge which screens that whole garage door um uh in that area um on on the other side for the private patio it's only like a 4 foot high uh wall that we're permitted uh in front of that we have a six to 7 foot Port carpus hedge to provide additional all screening and then of course you know the The Palms lady Palms uh Brad Etc within the private space that creates an own a private Garden um that said any questions I know we ask this question every time but as depicted these Heights on the elevations that that's the height they're going yeah yes yep okay it's not as we putting there no in uh this the area called privacy adjacent to the master bath are you going to put any kind of accessories in there in where like so there's the Privacy area adjacent to the master bath yes are you gonna put in any hot tubs or no no no hot tubs uh outdoor shower uh there is an outdoor shower or not no I don't think so I don't think that CLI thank you got one question you've had some practice at this it's a sensitive day I think so yeah this is the third Georgian third Georgia four four fourth yes and we had the um represent not represent stations the um the elevations of the pre previous developments again even though it's like the third georgean uh the client selects changes and obviously the landscape changes accordingly so you know uh we're not cookie cutters here no it's more like right yeah yeah the right and can you go to the screen which shows the Lots um I think it was the third or second yeah that one no or that one doesn't matter so we've got a Georgia at lot eight if you just point that out so the board could want to see uh lot no lot eight is angle uh no this is Georgian corre yeah lot eight is Georgian and lot three 1 three is Georgian and lot 13 13 and five yeah it's just so we can see the J position yeah we've got eight three 13 and this of course is lot five okay so there there is a good break between are all the Georgians one story oh yes all okay are they all the same cover no what so how would you describe those cols and I can see is it a blue is it a yeah blue and roof uh we have some samples here are the roofs all all the same color on the Ford georgin no same tile uh no this is the okay yeah Pap okay Pap y yeah please oops got it okay thank you oh there much better here theut that looks actually Mr Smith I TR I think we tried to put big blow ups at each Georgia so I can see them and and the lot a georan has a white Ro completely different is it that's a white roof on Lot H okay it's the first one in your yeah yeah no it doesn't Okay this other rendering yeah it's it's the other white yeah yeah it doesn't because it talks about printers don't do good with roof do that's fair okay um yeah yeah this is I didn't know what it was yeah it goes 83 and then 13 we got which is what we saw I want you to see just so you can see the position um is there are there any more questions I know this is a level three and it's a big development but you guys have got used to what we look for this has obviously been through the whole process um I would say any comments from Neighbors Renee but um they were not I thought that was the lizards so this is a spec a spec no this is build okay okay okay has that been happening are we allowed to that you get some some customs and some specs in there we have done some specs the first three that we did uh were all specs and then L five lot eight are okay I've been away for good morning everyone Paul crine how are you yes so this is a homeowner on lot five um so we have a homeowner on lot one as well which was one of our models that we did originally and they're in probably right they're in beautiful yes and then lot eight is a custom uh home as well on the inter Coastal for a client and uh lot seven is for a client as well okay great so we'll be uh you know we've already gotten approval on on our house so yeah um and did you do a one story did I we have a two story you have a two story the other one's one okay yeah yeah I right about that so right so uh lot eight Peterson um is really a very classic uh Design georgean House you know with the pediment in the front um and just as an FYI we have a deposit on lot six so we're working with them hopefully to go to a contract so yeah so we're seeing movement good so we're excited about that thanks Paul yeah with that if there are no other questions or points to discuss could I ask for a motion please okay I will make a motion uh for approval of a level three architectural site plan based on the finding that construction of a 5,419 square foot georgean Style on story single family dwelling with a two-car garage and swimming pool including new landscape and Hardscape meets the minimum intent of the design manual and applicable review standards with the following condition that any minor modification to the approved Landscaping shall be submitted to the town manager for review and approval and any major modification shall be brought back to the arpb for review and approval prior to the commencement of the Landscaping I'll second that Mr roach yes Mr Smith Mr Lions Vice chairman Dockery yes chairman Murphy yes thank you gentlemen thank you and Ladies sorry thank you and with that move on to the second proposal in front of us this morning Jess the floor is yours good morning everyone uh my name is Jess sards architect with Cur s Architects um this project is if you just look to your right it's right over here um this is for the little club and uh about a year or two ago we were here with the amenity building um uh which is now complete um so what we're proposing now is over at the Croquet Center uh right now there's a um C green cvas awning uh adjacent to the croquet courts and uh just to the the side of the pickleball courts so what we're doing is an amenity building for the croquet uh courts and uh enhancing that um and you can see from um actually it's um you know just south of the U of the existing Clubhouse by the um uh Golf Course Management Facility okay and so the two buildings these are two existing buildings so that's for the Golf Course Maintenance so it houses some of the equipment um so this is the amenity building and this is a um break room offices for the golf course course management Personnel employees so that's fitting actually right in between the two maintenance facilities so it really won't be seen thanks the other thing we're doing is we're adding additional parking um so right now the employees really are parking all over the place so this gives them a place that um uh we can give them uh a place to park it's also hidden from the golf course and hidden from every every place else I have Carol Perez here talk about the Landscaping next uh this is the floor plan for the maintenance facility so you see we got a break room for the employees we got offices for the superintendent storage and a couple of bathrooms something they really don't have now they got inadequate facilities that that they're using next this is the elevations of the um of the maintenance facility so it's it's pretty basic um it's compatible with the two adjacent maintenance buildings and it's fitting in between um which the same colors we're doing the same concrete roof tiles it's going to be white body all through um concrete roof tiles just like what we've did at the at the main Clubhouse this is the amenity building so inside we got a break room uh so it's a well not a break room it's a beverage station so we got the pickle ball courts we've got uh right now that beverage station is sitting outside um so this way we're going to enclose it protect it uh protect it from you know the various activities and um uh and also from the weather also as a golf simulator we're putting in there and bathrooms so it's something they really don't have over on this end without having to go to the main Clubhouse and it's got a front porch so that's part of the exercise was that uh because we're in the flood plane and the Finish elevation like at 4 so we had to be up at 7 uh the benefit that we got out of that we got a really a a beautiful porch that they could sit on this porch and they can look out on and watch the croquet players play Etc so that end up being a good benefit um all the colors the windows the shutters the roof all of that matches exactly the same colors same materials uh same gutters same everything that uh that we did the minity building as many as well as the main Clubhouse same details we got the cross Landscaping you know on the sides to to kind of dress up the the non- window sides for the bathrooms Etc good and here's just uh another dimension of the floor plan the tree removal plan here's Carol is here you want to talk about the Landscaping out Carol good morning I'm Carol Perez with AGT land um so the uh parking lot will be screened with a clusia hedge it is existing already and it's very tall it's probably um 8 to 10 foot tall um ex sure um so we're screening the uh parking lot with a clusia hedge it's 8 to 10 ft tall it's existing and then throughout the parking lot we've added uh green Buttonwood trees and silver Buttonwood trees which also is compatible with the landscape that exists at the little Club already um we have foundation planting around the buildings with uh CL or actually we're using poto carpus Hedges and that again is very consistent with what is at the little Club already at the clubhouse and the wellness building and that that's about it um if you have any questions I'm available you meent in The Proposal it says you're taking down six Australian pines we're taking down six Australian pines and we're also adding 14 new trees what what kind of trees are you adding we're adding green button Woods silver button woods and a tabya and the trees that we're uh removing are in the middle of the parking lot that is proposed so that is why they're they're really in the middle of the construction yellow yes the Golf Course Maintenance building or office building has one straight wall of nothing but but uh you know concrete or whatever is that going to be uh masked well the um if you can okay this that is adjacent to the existing uh maintenance buildings so I've only got like 6 feet between the existing building so that that's what faces that building one side is actually two sides yeah yeah so you you won't be able to see that it's like a yeah like an alley if you yeah yeah so it actually that's spitting on the existing septic tank and we're redoing getting rid of the sep tank put a lift station in and so we're getting rid of all that so it it fits right in between two existing maintenance buildings but the two sides we have windows that are open to the public um so building code wise I I've got to have a fire rating so I can't have Windows in that hallway anyway because the buildings are too close to together so the Fire doesn't hop I'm curious about uh the rationale of uh it's an architectural feature on the roof um are you trying to make it look like a bar or a shed I'm not sure why you're adding that because it's it's not a functional right it is not functional it is something that um that we did at the um at the amenity building so I don't know if you've seen that or it's the same detail that we're doing there um so we're we're just trying to make everything cohesive yeah I'm sorry where where did you do it before uh at the mity building so that was about two years ago the fitness facility yeah thank you and this fall 500 ft from here we got any residents of this building uh there's some residents here but other than that um no I have not heard anything from any res we had one come in he wanted to know if the maintenance building was the current maintenance m is being torn down and I told him no okay could you I need you to go to the microphone please good morning I'm cppy craft I I wanted to ask in the existing uh Maintenance building uh there's cooking facilities there's tables of you know there's a rest area for the workers um is that not sufficient or is this just nicer or what's the purpose of adding another building for that Ros ctis for the little Club um the facility where the office the break room and a single bathroom is for our staff is a garage it's substandard it's um it's not where by choice you would want to have valued employees work so the goal in the new building is to provide two bathrooms a proper break room and a decent office for our employees I just I just ask on that um where does the weight staff where is their break room would they be taking carts out to this break room where does the weight staff and the cooks and where's their break St here at the moment so we can have this just so we got it on record okay um the weight and kitchen staff use facilities within the main Clubhouse they will not be going out to where the golf staff works well we have uh a small one in the kitchen and typically um they eat their meals in one of our other rooms uh usually and our general manager is here he'll correct me if I go off but typically nobody is in no members are in a particular room like the Garden Room or the card room or whatever and what whatever is available so they have a nice uh place to um have their premal meal if you will yeah so it's basically for it's it's for improving your management operations and hopefully the service to everybody and your employee yeah really the quality of life for our for our green staff these are people that are um on site seven days a week um there's a fair number of them one bathroom's clearly you know not adequate and anybody who's ever walked into that garage where they sit among equipment to uh to have their lunch would would understand it's not the way that you would want to treat a valued employee right thank you maybe for R again sure well there's a there's a little sketch in the front of the pro amenity called wow Hard areas for swing machine and jump Bo practice what's that yes you'll see um there's actually a picture of in the rendering uh that uh that uh James and and Jess have included it's it's just a trainer where um someone who plays croquet uh you can see a picture of it they they're able to swing the club and get the proper Arc so it's there we have it today it's not a new uh feature it's out on the lawn today oh I see yes exactly that's a golf swing you just did yeah I'm not a croquet player obviously that's not a cro yeah goes that so swings aside um are there any other points that people wish to raise before we go to motion yes sorry C is the new parking lot paved out there is it going to be concrete or asphalt yes yes which one yeah asph darn caught me uh no it will be paved yeah paved or asphalt paved as everything in the maintenance area is g to be pav as it'll keep things cleaner yeah ask question um Can can I just just ask one last question about I'm just I'm just curious about the amenity building will the um liquor and glasses and Barb things will those come will those be taken out from the main Clubhouse in a golf cart or how are you going to I mean are I guess I'm saying are we going to get more trucks and traffic down little Club Road delivering supplies so you can check them in and then they would go out to the amenity or will the amenity suppliers the liquor the whatever you're going to have in the ice boxes yeah go there we'll go down the general manager [Laughter] route good morning Rin Le general manager good morning um this facility acts as a separate facility as it does today it does not it really doesn't work with the clubhouse it works on on its own so every delivery that they currently get comes through C Road right here and it'll continue to okay thank you so my question is that um over the last I don't know seven eight years you've added amenities to the club and they've all been positive enhancements um are there any in terms of the grand plan um there other other things you're planning to do and and one subset of that question is that building that's on the east side that was I think where you kept the golf carts um he fix up everything and that one structure is kind of older I think um they are plan to do something with that and and more specifically what about the golf carts because when we approved the approval of the fitness center it was the idea was that the golf carts would be stored someplace I don't know where they get stored I'm I'm not there so but I'm curious how that's worked out yeah it's worked out actually really well um the golf carts are stored in what we refer to the green barn which is the closest building that the little Club owns to where we're standing um and so they're they're moved out there back and forth on a on a daily basis and it's strictly a golf cart garage basically are you gonna eventually fix that building up it's it's one of the older structures I think that like um the garages that we have in maintenance is as needed we would certainly obviously have to maintain them and keep them up yeah certainly thank you thanks are there any more questions from the board yes with with the there's quite a bit of uh space in the existing golf Barn that has the tables and the couches and the cooking facilities for for the uh staff uh are you going to move the golf carts out there or what's going to happen with that space I'm sure they'll be glad to have more of it what one of the objectives um that we wanted to achieve is our golf superintendent fields we needed about 1,500 more square feet of storage space for equipment so the two existing buildings uh that are there as we get rid of the office bathroom and the brake area that will be used for equipment storage thank you with that is there no more questions please I ask for a motion yeah I I'll go ahead and make a motion to recommend approval of a level three architectural site plan to permit the construction of two new single story structures 1185 foot croquet amenity building and an 1120 foot Golf Course Maintenance office a second pleas I'll second motion Mr roach yes Mr Smith yes Mr Lions Vice chairman dockerty yes chairman Murphy yes thank you thank you and so we move on to the third item on our agenda this morning at this point I hand over to Paul who was the ad hoc chairman of the group that came up with the proposal that we're reviewing this morning okay we're GNA wait for Tre returns where did he go I don't know he just disappeared I'm I'm gonna get a coffee refill so just please continue your has been [Music] stolen he was here till 7 o' last night young manager was here till 7 last night cing people back and forth Rene you did reach out to the other members of the did not did they get Theo they did okay okay Mr Glennon is at a school function and he will try to be here as soon as that it's over you're daughter is only in kindergarten once so I certainly yeah am sympathetic to that definitely Mr K said he would not be here so that Lees Gary Gary and I don't even know if they're in town or not we've got three of them yes three of you are on y I know let's officially just take a Hiatus because people are moving around okay so um I'm calling the meeting yeah okay so I'm recommencing our meeting this morning of the Architectural Review planning the review board um Renee please can you officially U make a note that Greg isn't here and with that I'd like to hand over to Paul who ran our meetings was the chair of this ad hoc group and Paul can you talk to the uh recommendation that's in front of us this morning please I will thank you malc um a few words of an introduction um at the arpb meeting in March of this year it was recommended that the ad hoc committee be formed to address massing in the core District of the town of gstreet again it's addressing massing in the core District uh I was appointed chairman of this committee to ensure a broad perspective the town pool from cross-section of our residents to form this committee young men married with a family to older retired I'm the older retired um former Commissioners for ARB members to no formal involvement in the town and relatively new residents who a member who has lived in the town for over 60 years so we really did have a very um excellent cross-section that led to a um really a broad discussion of all issues um um and the members of the committee as you can see are and my see if I don't see this is there any way you can just open the PDF and have that full screen it won't do it on this okay unless I can figure it out ler it's not gonna happen so chair my myself Gary canther thank you um Michael Glen Glen Allen Bill C Malcolm Murphy and Tom Smith okay uh you go to the next slide please um I'm going to speak briefly about the process um in studying how to best protect the neighborhood character of the core District by limiting massing the committee discussed this issue with experts who had core conferencing in this general area in the fields of planning and AR piure and you might just add some comments about we had how Architects city planners sure so we had uh we had I want to say at least three Architects there was some knowledge of the zoning code of the town of Palm Beach that was brought in and some potential um code changes that could benefit us um in the end we did not move forward with that but there was a lot of information that was available that was discussed and we also had someone from the Treasure Coast Regional planning Council who does a lot of planning related items and I believe had a background as I think he might have had a degree in architecture uh and has seen throughout South Florida the changes that you know this is not unique to Gulf Stream whereby you have a an older home that is demolished to make way for a much larger home and he said that that is not a unique issue to Gulf Stream um and proposed a number of solutions that we could could take uh and also noted that the town code as it currently exists does a good job in addressing a lot of those issues already I decided to move forward here because I can't read the slides um and I was going to use that as my talking points okay so we I talked about um the process um let's go to the next um slide please um so after really a very thorough and and um deliberate um very open discussions we we we did approach in a very broad way from you know was uh reducing the f um in the town to uh really we consider it everything um so the first uh recommendation that we're starting the well the basis for our recommendation um surrounds this concept of a um overlay district and we get we Reed this concept from the city planner and I think it's an excellent idea and I'm G to hand it over to Trey in terms of how we put that together so we currently have an overlay District that exists in town the North Ocean Boulevard overlay District which is an overlay on on the first 50 ft of the property along A1A so that protects the desirable Vistas and Views within town as you're driving through so that's a unique sit situation where you want some sort of protection some additional regulations regarding just that portion of those lots so that is an existing overlay District in the town um overlay districts are created to provide um you different different things and different purposes but for our purpose looking at protecting uh or addressing massing in the core um the thought was we have certain code Provisions where would we apply them to be most effective so we identified the purpose of the district obviously to address massing the area that makes up the district we we keyed in on through analysis talks about lot sizes commonality how um how to modify some code Provisions um and then once we had an idea of what that area would be we then looked at the code Provisions relative to one story and twostory homes and how we could sort of shift incentiv in incentivize some single stories and then not not disincentive or penalize because there's no real penalties that the the committee came up with it was more of a limitation on the characteristics in our code that relate to increased massing let's bring up the overlay District because I want to be sure that people conceptually understand so yeah Rene if you want to move to the next slide so the and this will show the the overlay District itself that is proposed within the core so so we do have uh it is the entirety of the core in between uh Gulf Stream Road and Polo from Old School to G you so it is that those two main north south arteries and you're really doing a lot to protect that that that tunneling and that um the issue of massing AC on those streets specifically Polo and Gulf Stream Road now obviously Gulf Stream roads the homes on the east side they do uh most of them do front A1A and they are larger so there is less of a towering effect so and they're in a different zoning District so you're not going to have that sort of Canyon effect on that side so we are addressing that on the on the west side of of Gulf Stream Road and then with Polo you have some of your Cove Lots uh that are a little bit different in shape and size and orientation different setbacks that apply because they are uh that some of those lots are waterf facing so the idea was to incentivize these those main Lots on the east side uh of Polo um to be maintain that that single story or to limit massing because that does impact um not only just the street view but of course uh all your neighbors the lots are all fairly similar in shape and size they are all mostly uh squares with similar uh Dimensions you know in 100 to 120t width and and depth um so because of those commonalities there was the thought that this would be the perfect um overlay District to uh to address massing um thank you um so to summarize um the characteristics of each of these Lots in that overlay District very similar the concept of having a district is consistent with the way that the town was planned in originally um the the homes currently in that Olay District the majority of them I'm going to say 80% anyway or currently one story um in terms of building um or recommending changes to our code um I want to emphasize uh the notion of incen um that was a dominant theme what can we do to encourage people to build a one-story home versus a two-story home and in extent that somebody wanted to build a two-story home um we felt that we would want to discourage it but not certainly prohibited um so let's go into the specifics of our recommendation there I forget anything no that's that's great so th this is just a sort of repeat of what we talked about this is the third part of creation of an overlay District so we've we've identified the purpose to address massing we've identified the geographic area within an existing zoning District that we're going to apply this criteria to so the question is what are the criteria that we're going to develop so again it was really to encourage single story homes so shifting through incentiv incentive incentives and not penalizing in two-story homes but adjusting some of the criteria in the code to limit the impact of massing when you do decide that you would rather have a two-story house so again there's no penalty it's really just you you have a certain ball of clay within your F and one of the options is well let's put less Clay on the on the second story more on the first story um but with that I'll I'll turn over to Mr lions in in the next slide Renee okay so the first thing that we're proposing is to currently uh the floor area ratio um is 33 times the lot size um we're going to increase it to we recommending we increase it to 36 so it's about a 10% increase uh in the Flor area percentage um bottom line is you get more square footage if you build a one-story house but we're going to give you some statistics momentarily all are all the Lots under 20,000 sare feet in this District yes there is we don't need to speci there is maybe one lot that is there may be two that is like a double lot I'm thinking um across from 2011 Lake View it's the right down on view right correct yes corner of Leg view and Golf View um that um with these Provisions if you go over 20,000 square feet the difference between 33 and 36 before you get to that sliding scale f is 600 so if you do have a full 20,000 foot lot at 33 you get 6600 at 36 you get 7200 which is a 600 foot difference May over it drops to our second cut back we're not going to cor correct right so if you if you have a very large lot we're not we're not suggesting that the um the sliding scale F the 20% over 20,000 is adjusted so it will correct and again the impact yeah it's it is those are the outliers most of the lots are in the range of um you know 15 to 16,000 Square fet so this I I don't want to jump ahead but the the proposal will increase about 400 450 square feet for for each one of these homes we'll get by the way thank you for correcting me I didn't realize so I guess Mrs mayor would be a double lot she may she may be a mayor maybe maybe but you know it's probably not a double lot less than 5% would be there I mean it would be I would say three or less of of the Lots okay okay uh so any questions on uh the era that we're covering in terms of the overlay um again it's from golf feew up to Old School um if you look to the um I just want to make an observation if you look to the West um from Polo um some of the these are often larger lots and and you know they frankly Merit a two stories um so I I think we have some Symmetry and we're keeping some balance um so that's just a personal observation um something that comes up all the time is um the square footage uh that's counted uh for uh covered but unclosed um and we had a lot of discussion about that and to incent a one-story home um rather than counting 100% of all covered un unenclosed area were proposing 70% and again we're going to give you some illustrations of of the actual impact on a house um any thoughts on that is see Town manager thinking okay so you're giving people a break on the covered unenclosed yes because people like covered unenclosed spaces so now it's 100% so if you had 500 yep of feet you know now we would only take 350s um we felt also because the profile of the house would be lower um that we would allow the resident to um move the house closer to the street so we reduce the front setback from 30 feet to 25 so it's less than so that way um you know if you if you're going to push all of your square square footage to the first floor you're taking up your backyard so would give some benefit towards the street um okay if we go to the next recommend slide so these are all um delving into the specific provisions of the code all relating to the one story that we just talked about so here is just by way of example you see what Mr Smith was talking about the um the 020 for anything over 2000 um you're right Miss mayor will have will take the full benefit of that extra 600 um she is at a half acre so just just over 20,000 square feet um so everywhere in the uh in the town it is currently 33 with 0.20 over so it just be for this overlay District that you'd be able to take advantage for example we have um uh 3133 Polo Drive is a 16,000 foot lot currently they can build a 53 uh 53 thou 5,384 uh square foot home under the new Provisions they would be able to build a uh 5874 foot house which is 490 Square fet so the thinking from the committee was that that is enough of an incentive to maybe push someone from building a a two story to to building a one story so that's just under 10% right I got my mouth right what percent correct it it is um it's in between eight and 10% because it's um it's an additional 03 over the the current .33 maybe Mr Glennon is here he's I I'll tap him for any math questions yeah considering what Michael did on this bridge can I you lost me a little on Marilyn's house it's a big lot you're saying she's what are you tell me that's going to come up in the next no sure so any lot that so if if you see here under your fa the first 20,000 square feet you get 33 anything over that you get 020 so if you have a lot that is over 20,000 Square fet you will not benefit from a portion over 20,000 it will still be the point 2 Z so my my statement is that if you have a lot that is over 20,000 square feet the maximum increase in your F will always be limited to 600 because that is 0.3 of 20,000 square feet so the maximum benefit anyone will ever receive under this adjustment would be an additional 600 square feet and that is based on you having one of the largest Lots in the area typically the the mediumsized Lots again are 14 15 16,000 Square fet which is in between 450 and 500 squ feet additional so again enough of an incentive and then but it will again it would cap at 600 square feet because we're not giving anything over for that that 20,000 we're only adjusting that initial uh 20,000 SQ foot number so the key there is that 98% of or lot size uh is has the 36 yeah right so that right any of immaterial um if you could continue so that's that was a good example I think that to summarize uh we wanted to incent um we wanted to make it material meaningful if it wasn't then you're not in sending um and we felt that those were the um triggers um and we went through by the way every section the code to see what we would do to change and we focus on those two particular points is that a fair summary yes um let's go to that 70% um discussion excuse me so regarding the adjustments to 7070 and the covered unenclosed oh got my sheat sheet here [Music] um this is a reference to section 77 70 -70 which shows that there are other situations in the code that contemplate either penalizing you by counting it double for example floor area under ceilings which are higher than 15 feet you have to count that as as double right um so that's an existing provision of the code areas in basements are only included as 75% when it's located completely under the first four footprint and you can't actually get outside uh any exterior door we we had an application recently that was looking at that and I said yeah if you have to go through another door to get to somewhere else yes that counts as 100% it has to be fully enclosed so that's something that exists that if you were to to construct a basement I think we may have one on on North County um that may technically count as a basement because of the floor the the elevations um and then we have you know areas under awnings with leg support so that's that's say one half so so there's something in the code that says we understand that there's coverage and there's maybe some massing criteria here but we're not going to count like an awning is double or if it's a basement and it's really underneath and there's no way out we're we're not going to penalize you with with the full F we're going to give you a little bit of leeway so this was an incentive to um to continue to encourage incorporating outdoor spaces that are open but covered but not with the uh with the full impact so just by way of an an example our special exception allows additional three 300 Square ft but you have to you know do some adjustments there within your your F so we would regularly see applications that had 900 square feet of covered area so if you had 900 square feet of covered area this would only count as 630 ft which would allow you to have an additional 270 square feet under a so there's you know if you had a very large area that was open loia outdoor front you know doesn't have to be in one space anywhere it would only be counted as 70 so again um could add an additional air condition Space by not sort of penalizing you but encourage some differentiation in architecture which is consistent with what our code under that special exception encourages we want you to have outdoor spaces obviously there is a you know massing is a lot different when you're looking at an open area under a roof than a a flat wall um so those so that was what the committee sought with sort of that flexibility with the covered unenclosed uh floor area which currently counts on all houses as 100% while you're on that subject why why don't you uh address that 300 square feet that we're going so um I I think I took Mr Glennon by surprise when uh I just sort of off the cuff mentioned at our last meeting that maybe we eliminate that special exception for covered un enclosed area just for for all homes um knowing that the single story homes here are going to already take advantage of the reduced uh impact of7 uh and the fact that with the vast majority of our twostory homes and really in General on new builds uh the commission has really frowned upon allowing that special exception um so is a matter of practice we're not approving it so just eliminate so we could we could either eliminate it or we could continue you know allow the discretion of of the board but there was a a proposal to perhaps eliminate that special exception allog together within the overlay District yeah I think the fact that we've accommodated that in our recommendation right it's it's it's a it's a null point so I feel so it's your memo at the bottom here correct yeah you correct the last Point yeah I apologize for skipping but that that makes sense to me makes sense so is this part of the plan like if we or this is still just for conversation because it says all that that that was the recommendation this is okay fine um so um I think that sums up um the incentives and then there's what about the setback Paul and then right and Rene if you want to go to the so there is a reduce setback for proposed for single story when we had the town of when we were talking to Greg and I spoke with someone in the town of Palm Beach and one of the Architects mentioned some Provisions within the town of Palm Beach code which Essen essentially related to adjusting the height of your building the closer it got to the to the front setback so with with adjusting to you know this only applying to single story homes if you're 5T closer I think the feeling of the committee was there's not going to be as much of an impact we're going to give you a little bit extra area and you're still not going to be towering over us on the road because your roof height is going to be a lot lower um as a as a as a single story so I just pulled what was that the technical ter for that again it was um build I think it was Building height plane um so it's building so it's a it's sort of like if you can imagine a diagonal line as you're sort of looking at a a structure and it would it would be I want to say for every foot you get to the into the property it would be 2 feet of height so if you're 20 feet in the limit would be 40 feet of the building height or something like that so it's just this sort of you know if you're if you're kind of looking up limiting that by pushing it back and the higher that it gets the further back it would have to be so so V Vis visually I mean clearly a one story house um as you bring it closer to the street it's going to be less impactful than a two-story house and built next to you is it at 30 fet do we know what it it would have had to have no I think visualize oh the setback yeah I I believe they did take take the minimum setback it may be but they brought it all to the 30 yes they maximize their probably if it's if it's not it's maybe 32 it's pretty close to it's an interesting question you're asking did they use all of it yeah yeah they they Max okay every feature of so a new one would be five feet closer to the road than that house that's a good way to think about it right Tom yeah you know five feet yeah I'd like to go drive by that again and take a look um they have enough room in front they got a circular Drive yeah they have a little bit of a yeah I I would say that uh what what could be a challenge a little bit uh is that they have a large Ficus that's kind of inside the center of their property in the front so um the driveway is probably a little further um to the east because of the tree so you know and every you know that some there might be some circumstances we have to figure that out but generally I mean that could happen really in any house um you can have a tree that would interfere with the setback well and I noticed you went from 30 to 25 I mean we all think in terms of chunks of space you know that but that was five feet did you think of three feet or two feet or four feet or did you just I'm just thinking because when you go look at that house five is yeah I think what we well not think what we tried to do is maximize the incentives we could we could give to people so brain is a terrible term but there it's a no- brain say yeah what I want to stay low yep yeah what was the minimum that would be impactful gotta yeah so good answer just get enough to make the Architects have enough creativity to really for them to say yeah it's great I can do stuff on the on the ground floor that's one story as opposed to the challenges of going to that second um you was there any discussion of doing three feet out front and two feet out back or was curious in your discussions I I I think that there have been discussions on that subject rear setback and front setback yeah um but again I think the the notion was that if you're building one story home yeah and you're taking more of your lot size meaning less Green Space you're going to probably want the enjoyment of your green space in the in the back and so move the house forward versus so we didn't my only point is people neighbors you know we get all catch oh my God they're building the houses closer to the street what's going on when we see this because 5 feet is a incremental you know distance I love this plan I'm just saying I'm just trying to I wasn't in the meetings and more just asking was there any discussion like what maybe we do three up front and put two in back because nobody sees the back your neighbors don't see you but again I just in terms of Street skate we thought the five was acceptable I mean that's really what comes down to Y 104 so I just have a question for Mr [Music] Smith you're familiar with the house that's next to him and so you can just imagine that one being 5et well that's what I'm concerned about because it's it's tall because it had you know had to meet the new elevations so and the front entry feature uh was raised I think that was one of the first houses that we approved with a higher frame inry feature well you know everything is relative um so if you built a two-story home um at the current setback um which is which is worth which is better um a one story five feet closer or and I would argue 5T closer is a better alternative so I mean these are all relative decisions oh yes and none of them are absolute you know their advantages and disadvantage for each um okay let's let's go to um anything else on incentives let's go to two story homes now okay um limit mastering of twostory homes um we address uh percentage of of the Second Story to the total percentage of the house and so we've posed reducing it from 50% to 30% um is everybody clearly understand what that code is okay yeah um a little history uh we reduced it previously when did we reduce it before do you remember Trey I think probably I'm G to say five or six years yeah yeah I think it was sitting right there um in any case so we've done this before yeah um so let's get you know Into the Heart of the real issue okay wow 50 to 30% I mean my reaction was is that crazy um so let's let's look at some data points um let's bring up those houses that had been built there you go all right it's like uh oh I'll have it in front of me see it no that's all right okay um you can see that that uh house at Gulfstream commonly referred to the older residence is the cat house uh no this is um across from the the mazios on G the gab yes okay um these go from largest percentage of second floor area to smallest as we go through the slid so right you're going to see the a larger percentage at the beginning this is 50% 43r 43 this one that's 43% okay so so functionally what does that translate into in in this house uh uh there are three bedrooms three baths so you have a nice size Second Story okay let's go to the next example okay old school uh we're not talking about the architecture we're talking about the square footage um uh 36 I mean 36% or it is 36 um on with with the 36% again it's three bedrooms three bass so decent size Second Story next house please um oh yeah this is this is the cat lady yes the old cat lady house yeah the uh uh didn't we just go over that one no no but this is getting closer to what we you recommending that's with the building right into the corner yes okay yes yeah I was confused early I apologize um this house has got three bedrooms three baths upstairs yeah yeah yeah in in three three B and 1100 square feet is what you telling me and it's at 32% so this is sort of what we're headed towards exactly and now we're going to go under 30% and see what it looks like okay here's one at that's the owner's home that we he just mentioned right is that Mr no no he's buing it this is one of the original spec one of the Browns I believe it's lot two this one oh oh Blue Water Co Sor story also I this is the only other two story home the one that Mr coren's building for himself is also a TW story everyone every other one is single story and that home exists right a photo of the existing home yes sir that's 18% on the second floor huh okay so in that case they have a two bedroom two bath upstairs yeah um with a ground floor Master obviously yes yes I'm just so I I think you can see as as little as 18 you get two bedrooms yeah you get to 30 you can comfortably get three bedrooms you know they're not going to be enormous bedrooms um so I I I think you still can build a nice twostory home functionally get the number of bedrooms you would like in in the home um and I I think so we're accommodating I think the points with this poll is this is this is modern this is today this is what the market will stand than you these are being sold today it's this is what the market will stand yes so we're not proposing something that is unacceptable to the market right that in in referencing this house on Blue Water Cove that was a spec build designed by the you know the the developer at only 18% so yep you know they that was acceptable to them and the market I don't think it okay so so the market accepted so you're right I mean and again this is well 20% this is well well under what is right so so this proposed change isn't inconsistent with Market um yeah so we're not denying something that I mean here somebody spilling spec and it works and you know they've invested a lot of money and I think they're smart guys so can you go back this slide to the the next highest one like 32 yeah okay so that's 32 that's that you're calling that the cat lady yeah you should go drive it um oh I've driven it does appear when you drive it I live over there you know like it like it just has one little top piece when at least when I drive by it leaks it it's all architecture the the the way they they find a house is a little unusual yeah yes and and I think it's just the shape of the lot size too who was the architect you remember on that one okay not important it was either I think it was wezma wezma thank you yes I was like it's someone who we haven't seen in a while so Paul our comment is is that you know 30% is pretty generous actually I thought it was a major cutback but when you see y that at 32 and the other one at 18 certainly at 30 we're not that also three bedrooms pretty fair three bedrooms three bathrooms yeah I think it I remember my family's pushing back on this notion that I'm we're favoring and um you know so I started thinking about oh how many bedrooms can you get I mean how functional is it right that's an important that's the key yeah it's all um okay so uh let's move on to the last um change twostory homes uh there there's nothing else that's right uh we're proposing uh the roof height go from from 30 to 28 um you know it's it's a small change um you know it's just more of a messaging I think um and one of our members Bill KO alluded to a number of times with the way people can build houses today you can still almost get the same um ceiling height so they probably wouldn't lose much um so I mean I think this is kind of a a moo change um uh it's not going to interfere with uh enjoying the home in terms of ceiling Heights in my opinion so thank you anything else Curtis you have a you mean the height from 30 feet to 28 feet I mean you can always get get interior height through Gable ceilings and they can do I think the archit that was that was Bill CO's comment you because she's very familiar with it being a real estate BR yeah when we built our house we trayed all the ceilings which were flat gave it much more interior feel when can you bring up the first TR with the committee members only thing I the only I sort of think was Tom though that that from changing the F from 50 to 30 might be too generous I'm I'm maybe 25 or 20 I mean that that house in Bluewater Co that's at 18 you know seems like a very attractive and yet not imposing house well I think we were trying to make changes that were more evolutionary than revolutionary to be frank and um maybe you push it too far I mean my preference my personal preference would be yes but I I just think right now that's a pretty big yeah I mean we took it down by what 40% yeah that's a big CH yeah from 50% to 30% 40% I mean I could certainly go along with what you're what your propos and also this is the the root of this says it's come from the ad hoc board the arpb will make a recommendation the name and the commission will obv consider it first one right there um right there so oh maybe the last slide you had the last slide you had Nam also has a name go to the last slide it's there that that that's it yeah oh I I I see I can't read it sorry okay um sincerely um as chairman I I appreciated um the individuals volunteering Michael um Tom Malcolm uh and and Bill Bill KO um Gary canor I think that's it did I miss anybody no um Everybody expressed their views um directly um we had um good debates we didn't always agree uh but we came to consensus and I think it was always a sort of balanc conclusion so that's our recommendation um and I I don't I guess somebody's got to make a motion uh I think at this point Paul I take it back and say thank you Paul for the presentation excellent and the everybody the input into that I think in terms of the simple way it's been presented as well in terms of the the comparisons especially at the end um I think it's really straight forward and I know an awful lot of work went into this so thank you for that well the work went into by the members I just want to be sure this is the committee recommendation not mine yep I think yeah I think it's a great recommendation I think you know it's a great step in the right direction I agree maybe at a later point in time we decide that you know we have to take a further yeah yep but I think it definitely will will maintain a smaller display of size and massing going which was the objective yep so thank you again Paul um and with that I would ask for a motion please to recommend the information we've seen this morning from the ad hoc group um to be considered by the commission well I I'll make a motion to approve the creation of an over District um in uh to address the massing in the core District per the memo written November 19th 2024 I'll second that Mr roach yes Mr Smith Mr Lions Vice chairman doerty yes chairman Murphy yes thank you we now go on to items by staff uh I don't have anything to add oh just quick question TR did we get the motion right no yes that was great we're gonna have to keep Mr doy around that was a good job but I do want to H thank Mr Garo for taking an incredible amount of information I mean this doesn't seem uh you know like the presentation was condensed it was easy to understand and yet as we all know from our meetings we had a lot of information to to to get through and so and on that point as well Michael what you did in terms of trying to heard the cat getting everything into a Consolidated reference point yeah thank you Mr bazaro for your presentation Greg thank you for doing that and Michael um if anybody would like to see his Excel worksheet it's it's a lot it's a lot of fun yeah well I'm looking forward to seeing the next application that comes through in the overlay District how quickly can we do get the overlay District put in place okay so it'll take uh months well right so it'll it'll take an ordinance with two two readings so even if the commission says yeah absolutely during their December meeting you know um you know Greg likes to work me hard through Christmas so maybe I'll be able to get something in in January for first reading anything coming February 2 reading maybe maybe see that's that's you see might be something coming through pre yes yes well the earliest we would be able to get it on the books would be February and we can certainly councel any application that is in that proposed District that you know they might want to wait and you know we we could certainly process their application uh for the arpb in January Town commission uh and town Commission in February you know at the same time so yeah tell a lot I don't know if we have any anyone in in this area the Marl property just sold and I I've Heard It Through The Great Bond that they're uh the made okay the proper but I don't think it's going to come that quick I mean they just closed they may use it through the Le it back or something yeah but but I think it will probably come down okay U by the way other towns Villages um when considering these kinds of changes have put in temporary moratoriums from new applications until they get I'm not proposing it but we if we see that it's taking longer than we'd like and we're confronting uh we could certainly that's that's an option um and we were meeting with with candidates for a renovation or a new home we could tell them they may want to consider that is that is a very good point to the extent that they may want to have a second story home a two story home with 45% we can declare zoning in progress so um you know Greg will remind me to create a zoning in progress resolution that we may enact the December meeting the incentives to go to a story because this is the whole point that they go wow we've got so much more you know options if we stay at one story um items by board members so with that um public no and so I'd like to wish everybody an early Happy Thanksgiving and thank you for the meeting today and it's adjourned thank you