[Music] all right U pay the bills we'll open the meeting at it's now uh 7 77 and this is being filmed by area 58 and first that we go through is the go through the bills make a motion you want me to make a motion yeah yeah I'll make a motion to accept uh three bills uh one for this is Pitney Bose one for the two for the Express Newspaper have second second all in favor yes yes those the best you have to be them share your PIN please I steal yours when I came in not I don't know I didn't get one [Applause] this is this is nicer the long table here we used to be crammed that Teensy tiny table this is this is high end now only Contin right yeah Daniel said to withdrawal form and extension form for special permit you speed on last months no thank on a continuist yeah as long as if we're not approving like a special perimeter variance I think we can do a three yeah where's um just be continued I guess was uh no signatures that's size continuance and withraw the Varian portion yeah what time is the hearing supposed to be I don't know open it before I think I think we did real fast right okay do you have the thing the fire is it over there what's that I just want to petition 9.97 you looking for just to open up the hearing right we have to read the thing petion you uh no the the public earing no yes 97 yeah is the folder on there probably not I didn't see in there yeah that's out where the public here no [Music] this [Music] so should we open the hearing for petition 997 20 Madison Road for an application for a variance uh for um 16711 for a living room full bath and bedroom right yep okay [Applause] it just opened last time right I'm let you I wasn't the last time but what transpired on that that's just the letter that they said they need to have that the sign yep for 9.97 you're who is it you're with drawing so you just want drawing the variance part not the special permit so when I talked to Daniel yes like I need to put in for a special permit cuz instead of going out we're going to take your recommendation that you guys provided last mon and go up okay good already applied for the special paramal correct no she said to come to the meeting tonight and then the notice says you want to withdraw your request for a variance but keep your application for a special permit yeah I don't have the application with me on you guys may have it I drove away last month with the paperwork under roof of my car I lost everything including my plot plans yep oh no yeah me just a tad bit and I just so sorry I'm sorry so did you apply for special per for the special permit no but I can do that tomorrow if I need but then it'll be a new petition she just told me to come in tonight because I I she knows in my story she knows I didn't have any of my paperwork so she said go in tonight let them know that you want to do a withdrawal and then a special permit and then they'll carry it over well she said they'll talk about it and then May 13th I would have new plans of building up as opposed to album yes so all you asked for was VAR correct yeah that's what it says in here I I think you're right I think so if you withdraw without prejudice that means the your application is withdrawn but he's not even but his original one he's not asking for a special per which he needs yeah so you might have to reapply cuz that's like if you with if you withdrew your application it's gone but without prejudice means you can bring it so if you withdraw it you wouldn't be able to bring it back without for two years but without prejudice you can re apply for the same right right yeah original application had shown a variance and a special permit he could yeah just ask yeah and we probably could just vote on one and not the other but it it wasn't in here I just looked yeah just variance that's the issue I what was saying is since you didn't ask a special ter before you need to apply for that okay yeah which is a new petition yeah okay just because like I said I was going back and forth with Danielle through email and then she's been out this week so and I also know you guys were supposed to be the site visit and then we went ahead and canceled it because there was no points since we're not going up not across so so what would be my next steps so so we can vote on um whether to approve this and then approve the withdrawal withdrawal without prejudice you don't have the original um I have his application that says variant on it yeah but you don't have what was advertised I didn't see it in there I don't have the public hearing notice in here unless it's buried in here which it could be um yeah I see what you're like it's probably going to have to be read advertised yeah but if it said special permit in it have Dru which I'd be surprised if it did cuz his applications said just variant on it but but he wants to withdraw heans yes and continue with the special permit but he doesn't have a special permit in the public he public notice we should want that from last time yeah what's is the public hearing notice on the so we have to refile God I'm not seeing what got sent out unless I'm missing it no I don't have it is the process the same special per you see you're get is Che be yeah I just if he had that yeah I think I think that's what he needs to do but I'm not seeing it in here I don't no no no no that's that's why we want to do this if I go home my wife's going to make me home no no no we don't want that yeah I don't see it in here so I don't know like the butters list is here right I do believe was just for a variance yeah yeah remember I came in and asked you what it was for so was because if he reapplies and he doesn't make the application date he might not be until June when's the application I can get everything in like as soon as possible I know my architect is working he should be able to get new plans by two the only other thing I seen was continue it yeah so that's what she wrote in here even if it's not in there you can always just reapply anyways next and then we can withdraw okay so that so that's what she wrote in here she said you know would like to continue this but he's also applying to with withdraw it without prejudice so it's kind of two separate things but if we continued it though you just do the same process you'd probably do tomorrow a month from now mon okay so yeah I was gonna I would come back next month anyway with new plans right but so I come back tomorrow fill out what I need to get everything ready yeah if we don't withdraw this okay we so we have to accept to we have to accept the withdrawal if we don't do that we'd have to do that next month and then it would be a following month before you'd have to reapply in that he can reapply even though he doesn't withdraw oh true actually yeah he's he's withdrawn for a different reason yeah oh that's your point he could just come in tomorrow and apply for a special permit while this is still sitting there and then we can look at it yeah the public notice that you apply for special permit you apply for special permit if it is in there the meetings continue next month you just hear that's a good point yeah yeah so come back tomorrow get the special app fill that out make sure if just read this what's appli what's in the public notice if it's not in there they'll apply for special and next month we'll withdraw VAR withraw that get tomorrow yeah if if whatever was mailed out to the abutters says special permit which I don't think it's going to I don't think but it but if it did you wouldn't have to do any of this we could look at it again I don't think it does cuz nothing here says it does but yeah if but if that's the case you can just reapply and then we can vote on this next time and open the hearing on it so we vote on this next next month yeah so we probably continue it right so we'll just um we do have a form for extension just in case if you want to sign it yep and uh so I'll make a motion to continue petition 997 until our May May 13th meeting 7:00 second I'll second yeah you chair you're the vice chair over there whatever the heck you are thank you guys thanks okay where's that paper with the two signatures uh this is a blanket did he sign these two his that those signatures there what did sign oh we two of them that that that's the uh oh that's I get it okay6 [Applause] you're at open 99 next one yeah uh so we're going to hold a public hearing for petition uh number 998 uh application submitted by Michael and Susan Lawless for a special permit and a variance to construct an in-law apartment to be located at 22 marger Drive house cifax um a variance pursuant to 16710 a front set back of 50 ft and a special permit pursuant to 167 712 in-law apartment and immediate family member apartment is allowable by special permit the the property is zoned agricultural residential that's petition 998 that the public notice yes that one's in there it's it's it's it's under appointments it's a first page it's kind of at the bottom there the legal notices that's it that's it you just had it where your thumb is [Music] yeah that's first page under appointments it's at the bottom it doesn't say what the variance is uh I think it's a setback right is that the is that the file right there uh right yeah that's it you got it so I guess the setbacks here we go here we go this is the this is the letter from the building inspector you need to apply for variance for a front setb is your home is located on a corter lot and a 50 foot setback is required from all fronted streets you'll need to seek relief of says 30.5 then it's crossed out and says 15.5 that was the original letter right yep there should be a a newer letter that we put together I believe that that was the whole that's got continued on was the 30 the 30 to 34 difference number 13 hold on no I don't know so in the public hear in the public hearing it just says a front a variance Pursuit it for a front setback of 50 ft so it's a variance to the setback so that's what was advertised so that's probably good news it usually does yeah more in this case yeah I think you're right simp ad so this says relief of 34 30.5 ft is there a new so the latest letter I have in here is November right yeah yeah come on [Music] up bu 42 I don't think that's that's margin different one this would be the most recent letter we didn't we didn't put any oh I see what you're saying yeah okay we need a variance from the setback purle and then this was this was advertised March 22nd okay so that makes sense okay I missed it in there thank you that's what we're trying to do so it Lees it so it is that's actually yeah that's not a bad idea it doesn't have to go get re advertised reset and redone it just advertising variance if you're interested [Applause] come yeah I mean it's pretty clear here advertising for a variance to the setback you want to find out what the feed is I think that's it's actually not a bad idea we've run into a lot of problem yeah so yeah this is the issue right here so that's the [Applause] variance and the special permit is an in-law right okay 15 they put the street mhm it looks like this shed's already 17 is that this one is that the yeah maybe is that your house is that the house yes kindess yeah right now where the sh where the  so I think we established all the in-law stuff last time right the shared utilities um it's a relative I remember having that conversation um what else is in here we got to cover it's not larger than 50% and the only issue with that was left is that the advertising and then 15.5 ft but the shed is is like 17 ft right so already there's a building that far off and then and then we talked about how the septic tank is is in the backyard so we couldn't move it that way right and the culdesac comes out so I don't think you can go any closer the cuac actually comes in and you can't move it towards the other side cuz it's a corner and You' be cutting into the 50 ft that way right it's the only place you can put it on mhm mhm and there's already a shed there basically what are we doing what was the inial T in that so we sent her to advertising it correctly yeah well it seems like the hardship is the Topography of the land and the fact that you have two corners uh and that the that there's there's nowhere to put anything on the lot without infringing on a 50ft setback um so it seems like that's a reasonable hardship to me you know it wasn't it wasn't done you know the hot CH it wasn't created it's there you know it's yeah the shed's already there literally mean the use the best you know best possible thing for the lot and they still have a lot of distance between them and between the addition and the street yeah what looks to be already the setback from the existing dwelling on the front side and arguably the pretty much the same exact side the actual house is coming out looks like 2T less um two or 3 ft less than the current ched it's not going it's not going to impact the you know the street or any any anybody around them no so what do you think agree you want to make a motion I wasn't at last month's meeting so I'll have to so it's only going to be four four y okay so I'll I'll make you need all four yeses yeah have four yeah four out four okay uh I'll make a motion to accept uh petition 998 as presented second that all in favor yes yes yes and myself yes 15ot setback and a special per from it passes four to zero good luckk clerk that taken care of I recuse myself in there before okay one more get it done agenda let's keep it moving yep all right uh zoning board of appeals is holding a public hearing May 8th at 700 p.m. uh in the board of selectman's meeting room at Halifax town hall on the application submitted by valdemiro Barbosa for a special permit to renovate a commercial structure to a house a shed manufacturing business said to be located at 416r Plymouth Street Halifax a special permit pursuant to 1677 light industrial use including manufacturing storage processing fabrication packaging and assembly property is Zone commercial it's petition number 1,000 we made it that's my like there you go you want to tell us what you want to do uh it's you can sit up it's uh it's very simple starting this new business we're going to be building the walls FL the roof inside of the building uh taking that to the customer and getting stall on their block or whatever you guys want to call everything's going to be done inside the building yes that's correct you're going to have uh sheds outside the building be displayed no or just all it's all come by emails or you know people order them through you that is you build you you manufacture the thing inside that is correct and you take it to the to the people's home erect it there that is correct I hope I can come back here soon and ask you guys who we put sheds outside as the building as the business are grow you know what I mean so right now it's that's that's what we do you did you get um did you go through the planning board yes and they okay it yes okay and you're renting the whole building or half the building the you WR the entire build yeah the 4 16 R yes that's a separate is it it's like behind the behind the Farm Stand yeah like back there yeah wasn't there was something else that's come up here before for the same thing is that was like it's a bigger building in the back right yeah that I didn't know was there before the last petion um anybody else want to ask question so all the manufacturers inside that is correct The Sheds are inside that is correct any stage of lumbering and outside or they all indoors uh most of them is going to be indoor everything comes down to how much Lum I get but anything like uh pressure treated something that doesn't exactly need to be puted on the inside if I can leave like a pet to on the outside against the building wall that'll be great you leave it off to the side guys all back uh side it's pretty much whatever you guys tell me to do I get that that's that's reality so are there any rear doors in the building any what RAR doors Red rare no back no it's not there's two overhead doors and two Pastor on so from what time to what time you will be there so we're planning to do Monday through Friday uh from 7: to 6:00 Saturday uh 7 to either 12 to Sundays day off so do you have customers coming in or most no uh everything's going to be done over the phone and online you have brochures that you pass out to people what you're going to be building and all that oh yeah we we have all the projects mhm so it's your sheds they won't have a model shed outside for them to come in and see that is correct they will have a model one outside or they won't have a model they won't have any displays on the outside what um what are the materials you're using is it like like how do how do you craft them it's just like plywood uh pressure treated uh the regular shingles for the roof mhm uh that's pretty much some vinyl windows yeah yeah yeah it's nothing like special anything really well how would that be delivered so like how often would you have deliveries so it depends of how many but uh we have a truck a flat bed truck that once we build the parts we put on top of the truck and drive to the customer's house and how do the how does the material like the building materials end up getting dropped off is that what do you mean like the the plywood and all that stuff you described how is it it delivered to me or to the to the to you to me comes on a big truck from uh p uh Pennsylvania and how often is that coming again it will depends on how busy we get but right now uh if I have to guess just to give you a number maybe once a month if I have to give you a number you know what I mean yeah and the only the only reason I ask is is the the difference between the industrial use in industrial Zone and Industrial use in the commercial zone is the impact I think that it would make so like once a month is a lot different than an industrial plant that's constantly having deliveries uh what do you think the people driving by or people living in the neighborhood across 106 what do you think it would hear while you're working in there anything the noise level no I don't think so the work is mostly done inside the building it will be done inside of the building yes nothing's built outside nothing's you know cut outside everything was contained in that be very honest with you guys let's say for example we taking something to the truck oh we forgot to cut this to cut this little p of course I'm going to get it that's it you know 30 seconds yeah you know I just want to be very up front here guys you know I mean yeah that's I believe that's what we here for right so what do you s them with t111 clapboard vinyl siding what's that what do you s them with what do you mean clapboard um vinyl siding so you're not painting anything no what about the trash or what have you you going have a dumpster out there for yes we going to have a dumpster how many employees uh two plus yourself that right no no see but reality they just oners like me you know I mean so and I'm only asking because it's in the definition of industrial use so or light industrial use so there's no nuisance there's not going to be a lot of noise produced out of a normal we going we're going to be cutting what yeah you know I'm not going to say not to be silent in there I don't think it I don't think anything moving in there will be silent would it be different than what would be going on in the rest of that area right like there there's a bunch of other businesses there that they're not quiet either necessarily but would it be unusual to them so let me put this way no one's going to come over here to complain about us okay for us okay no vibration or smoke or glare or anything like that okay um no toxic waste by you're not throwing anything away that's unusual no okay I don't think the noise level is going to be that great when you're inside the building not once the energy code gets done insulating his building for yeah don't unless a nail gun goes out oh like I say as far as the other businesses in the area it's not going to be any any different from them so it's not going to be that okay all right what's the of the board any question I don't need W the onsite yeah second I'll make a motion to wave the onsite he did you guys were talking yes yes yes yes myself yes you want to make a motion to petition number 1,000 I'll make a motion to accept sorry accept petition 1000 as presented I'll second it you just get overrule that's all right that's all right all in favor yes yes yes yes and myself yes good luck I really appreciate it yeah of course wish your best thank you I appreciate what do I do next we now you get a letter from the secretary and tells you what you know how to get the perit and all that Stu perfect thank you very much then you go to the building INSP all right thank you again all right thank you there's a chance to repeal it but after that be good to go PL to run the building you can start on that cuz this is just more for the use than building okay all right a good night guys thank thank you well we did all the bills bills done we left them for you to pay sorry when did so that she's saying in our little sheet that we need to sign almost certain we need to sign an extension form for 20 Madison but I don't think that just opened last month right yeah M he filed it yeah I don't know actually it might be there we have it anyways yeah but it was brand I mean public the hearing just got open a month ago yeah but files with Clark yeah is it is it over there I just don't like she I think we're okay well we have it anyways huh we have you signed an extension yeah but we have to accept it I think right or unless the time I don't think the time's up I guess is my point I think we could extend it I don't think super close it doesn't have to have come here come here yeah I guess yeah 11 oh that was so yeah yeah we're fine the next meeting is May 13th it's fine any other business uh there's also there should be another sheet somewhere with signatures that we all have to sign which allows her to change uh oh yeah I saw that in there somewhere this one with the sign looks like it wait wait wait a minute no no no that's not it this is it right okay y that's the one [Music] y let see information presented below regarding the required fees okay this is the one wants have without PR the variance mhm he has to sign yeah but we uh he's not withdrawing just yet next month right yes once you get fills up with special unless it says special permit in his original appliation now is he going to go up yes that's his plan now is to go up he if he kept it the way it is that that lady would was really oh yeah oh she was not let it goel ability change instead having specifically listed it just gives her a little more to adjust back and [Music] forth [Applause] that lady was a nice neighbor to have I want help us she was passionate I'll give that yeah that's for sure that's it I that's that's all I say want to make a motion good two minutes oh yeah February 12th here minutes you here them new from from the v no nothing yet yeah PL are plans are in for Starbucks so Starbucks happening they sold the property H didn't they sell the property comp uh the p boys it was in the paper that they sold it is that is that is that that one or is that going yeah I didn't know who owned the who owned the actual the P Bo it was is that where the Starbucks is or is that on the corner over here which one what's that over there there where there was two lots or something they going to wasn't that I get confused is that the Starbucks over here the one where I was just sold yeah oh this over here yeah yeah and uh the guy that was doing the Landscaping he bailed out oh the one next to the the one behind the one next to the Dunkin Donuts he bailed out he bailed wow after all that he cleared the land cuz he had to replicate two to one replication and he wouldn't have had enough room right this this is the first I'm hearing about it [Music] one is that corner lot that's wet yeah the corner of I bet people ask me what's going there but I said that was yeah that was that all started before I got yeah the guy was going to do a landscaping surface out of there he here for months he came back I know he he fought for yeah and all of a sudden you know why because he he couldn't put the toilets in there oh that that's what it was I think he wanted the two businesses to thrive in that in that you know that's why he asking I mean we asked he had portal parties put on there before he even cleared the lot yeah there was like four or five of them to yeah yeah yeah and everybody says what are the parties be in the for no knew no one knew what it was for no he buil up so a septic issue septic issue I think so so how can we build I cuz he had to do with replication what's the replication on conservation that's what somebody told yeah because that corner lot is that corner was w we oh you take away from it you got to add somewhere else yeah so this is the Starbucks here like across from stop CH used to be next to the red Von building yeah okay yeah I mean they've been they've been doing boring tests for the last 7 or 8 years yeah yeah nothing's changing whatever they got out of this one it must have worked they gave me 70 page book of structural calculations they going to put uh Starbucks standing on its own I thought they were still having the it was a medical thing or something there right I think boil together is that the other one no aut be going it's going to be another Auto store on the corner no with the Starbucks aut what are the storage are they still doing this over here which the storage that's crazy the corner like and everything okay two lots connect them the house in the middle have the money there be entrance off of car street entrance off of 106 now they bail they sold it for 900 wow I don't remember that one one of them was going to be like an urgent or something that was going to be all right now I'm there there but we have another Auto I mean wow all they are is they sell the garages and they can this yeah traffic but yeah traffic wow going to eliminate how are we going to eliminate the traffic jam then there isn't it's what traffic jam what traffic just all those stop lights yeah is what are you talking about I get Dunkin Donuts easy on a Sunday morning what's the problem Sunday morning right you left so many choices for coffee in this town there'll never be a traffic I know that's right because we only have Dunkin Donuts so therefore yeah people still in there there's enough business of that dun Don has to open three more I'll tell you that sheesh we are busy nuts do you want to approve these minutes do you want to do that might as well yep I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of March 11th I I can't vote on so was that March 11 yeah I was there you were here you are not here a second up who second up all in favor yes yes yes yes okay pass I wasn't here for the other one so I'll make a motion to accept the meeting meting me meeting minutes of February 12th 2024 any a second no one second it it has to be you guys cuz it has to be Bob cuz we weren here second I was not here second all yes yes yes yes yes okay I think that's it I think that's the party make a motion to adjourn come on let's not good motion you go ahead yes yes yes yes you all yes so the [Music]