[Music] I'm going to call this meeting of the Halifax planning board for Thursday April 4th 2024 to order uh I need to announce that the planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be viewed on YouTube we are located at the selectman's meeting room here in Halifax Town Hall at 499 Plymouth Street I think the first thing we probably ought to do is approve the agenda if anyone had a chance to look at it there's only a few items on it I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as it is written second movement seconded to approve the agenda all those in favor I all those opposed votes unanimous um our first appointment this evening is 24 special permit 244 Arnold Farah is it Farah or WEA weaa I have a 50-50 shot again anoun and this is being presented by Joe Webby from Webby engineering Joe weby weby engineering going by Anie be and Anie has uh purchased a a lot vacant lot that was owned by Richard Harrison and it's right next door to 395 Plymouth Street and just is situated the car wash is right over Mark in green and this uh this is the lot it's an lot 20,000 ft lot um we also have a a BBW associated with the the neighboring lot and a little bit of this is Wetlands we have a 50t and 100t setbacks and what an uh currently has a business where he transports Vehicles all over the country uh so if you've got a car that you want to go to Florida um you drop it off here or he picks it up puts it in a car carrier and he he takes it away to whereever it is and then ultimate brings it back yeah so he's he needs a garage for his has two trucks a transport cars so that he would like to build a garage and then a little bit in conjunction with that he he needs an office space and he wants a one-bedroom apartment above that that office um we do have a rendering that we can certainly look at uh but basically what we're trying to do is uh we have a a storm water management Basin uh we also going to have a septic system on this side and then we're going to have an in and out of the uh for the driveway um and basically that's what he'd like to do just out of curiosity I have some recollection that there was a previous plan presented for a different type of structure not from me not from you all right maybe I've got to conf with other property I didn't this is the first plan I done yeah I take it you've done all the calculations uh yes we have we submitted small order management uh yeah couple of big ones that I assume going to send off to your PE review engineer a look at all this uh this is in a commercial business zone so we feel that the garage is uh his zone for what he want his use I don't know about the apartment upstairs that might be part of a special perm I don't know I I think you should probably get a zoning determination from the zoning enforcement officer to begin with what do you anticipate for traffic in terms of he he's not going to have a day-to-day traffic it's someone's just me one one person I don't have employees or nothing so it's just not like it's a fleet of trucks going and out it's just pretty much out one day and probably back in 10 days yeah not like a lot of volume traffic at all doesn't seem like a lot of impact the apart would the most a day so what would the apartment be for yourself or you went out for coming in town and um I'm only here for a short period And I leave I try to spend some time in South where it's warm amen yeah hear that the summer time I would spend a little more time here where it's not hot yeah exactly so this is this is uh it's in the historical district too so how does that uh yeah hisorical historical we going have to go through the hisor and then there's concom too if you yeah oh yeah yeah we we're just about ready to file with consolation are we going to send out for within 30 days we get um feedback from all the boards sent to us yeah we'll have to do that should we wait to have you go to conom first before we send it out to review well k f is going to want you to have riew stor water reviewed yes it's either that or they I know it's one of these yeah I I know I know I'm just I was kind of hoping that you would send it out at least so we could be doing two of them simultaneous yeah that makes sense yeah I I agree yeah we're willing to put money in for the cash what we using so is that pretty much aition of what going to look like this is uh a quick rendition but we do know we have Historical Society uh no is it Theiss commission H's talking about dressing up that front just a little bit more yeah yeah I think that's going to be a must with them but like to make it you know have Cur appeal and kind of blend in with the antique you got some landcaping Island out front too yeah for sure and the highest fence possible on the side just you know I can do my stuff out back yeah and nobody's what's the setback from the street from Joe 10 framed SC see it see it front of the building from the street is about 68 ft yeah you've got a you've got an arrow here at 66 to the apartment what did you say all that all the yeah 66 okay 66 yeah okay that's from the lot line out the street so that's good yeah it was pretty far know it sits back nice I was trying to make it that way I wish the property was a little deeper well we got limited by just this little yeah right yeah yeah the 100t buff it's the 50 50 foot yeah and learned a lot it looks like your building's out of the 100 foot though yeah yeah the building's out uh so we do have to go for conservation for anything between the pink and the green yeah right it's really wet back there right now I don't know I mean not on your property right everything's super I making a note I don't know if I think you just send it out do that's it um come up with a number do you want a motion to set up the uh say a revolving account yeah make a motion to set up a revolving account um in the amount of like 2,000 or do you want it to be higher how about 2500 2500 that work for you that yes say yes you got to come up with 25 whatever isn't spent goes easy for you to say it just makes it easier if we rather than having to keep going back to they'll give it back anything yeah um I have a motion do I have a second second moving the seconded to set up a revolving account with an initial deposit of $2,500 for $395 Plymouth Street all those in favor I all those opposed sounds unanimous get it out as quickly as possible oh sorry about that I didn't ask if anybody had any questions FR seven R you said you need the garage for your trucks what are you talking about for trucks I have two tractors um just pretty much for storage no no like crazy maintenance or nothing okay now when you say tractor I can't see the size of of the measurements on that garage does everything fit in that garage or are you going to have something parked outside no there'd be a couple trailers outside one one bigger than the other okay and now when you're making these trips I'm sure you're not in most cases not taking off to Florida with one car so now you're waiting for other vehicles to come in if I say okay I want my car to go to Florida and you say okay do you already have a basic time when you're going or do you have to wait until you get three or four or five or six cars before you set up an appointment to run and then where are those perspective cars going to be parked before you take off um yeah I do six at a time um probably 90% of my customers um I'd say probably 60% bring them to to me so the other I have some customers on the nose Shore that I would go pick up so yeah when as soon as I get six cars that's when I go I've been doing it for 78 years now I've been in the trucking business for 25 years where are those six cars while you're waiting to load let's say you've got they'd be in the back behind the building not the garage I mean if I some of them I have an enclosed trailer so some of them are $100,000 Porsches and stuff so I would store those in inside okay and now in this garage are you going to be doing any vehicle maintenance on your on your own trucks oil changes cheaper more cost effective for me to sub it out um very minor stuff you know okay so would you feel that you needed to have an oil pit in here relative to doing any fluids leaking from any of these vehicles we have there is one that's the LA running into that [Music] issue out on this one right all right thank you very much thanks any other questions so we'll send it out for the other board's review um we'll go to Pat get back from Pat and then go out to conservation well I meant like you know how we get um within 30 days on a site plan all other boards send us any in any thoughts that they have yeah we'll send it up simultaneously okay will be F I suspect that you're we're going to be at least like you say 30 days to maybe a month and a half away yeah we'll be into conservation before then yeah that that works better that way it all comes [Music] together so March 19th we have 45 days that would mean that we have 11:30 41 so May 4th just got to keep track of it for any possible extensions well I mean if we're looking right now at 30 days from today yeah maybe we should ask for an extension while they're here I don't think we have a form well we can always send it to them but get it um as a motion can we get a motion we're figuring out that the 45 days on site plan um is May 4th so can we do an extension currently for another 30 days to put it to June 4th yes yes and um I was going to tell an this and I might as well say it out loud is I will not be available from May 20th till the end of the month also so I think that that is good get us into June okay so why don't we do like a 45 so that there's like a little buffer on it does that make sense yes okay you agree to that if we send it to you or Mr WEA you can send it to me and I'll sign it and okay send it back okay all right do we need to make a motion on that should I why not okay extension on the site plan review from the expiration date of May 4th to uh 45 days from that bringing it to June 4 am I hold on June 19th thank you sometime June 19th sometime in June is that okay um so there's my motion be your second meeting in June or whatever we have June 20th meeting June 20th yeah yeah okay we nailed it down I get a second for that second moved and seconded to extend the hearing until June 20th no the extend the site plan available yeah yeah until June [Music] 20th all the rest of Us in favor any of us opposed no all right thank you thank you very much so much next up Pastor Lane and we have well we did have our he's there but oh there he is have you unmuted rich are you on Mo he's trying there he is I can hear you guys oh okay we can hear you too so that's good yeah great we're uh we're just entering the discussions about pasture Lane and we're trying to figure out what we can do or what we can't do uh and any feedback you you may have had from the uh owner of the lot in question uh and other attorneys have they uh had any conversation with you yeah so um the U Miss attorney Spain the attorney for the owner of lot one um I've had some conversations with him and he sent me an email that I forwarded to you guys um a while back about what what um what his client is willing to do he included a what he call a punch list of items was that the list that um an email to me dated March 20th I I forward it to you guys is that the same punch list that we discussed a year and a half ago or two years ago sorry I already read it is that it yeah yeah yeah yeah two that's one is dat of 2018 is it uh yes 5718 but with that list we he came in at the last meeting that he was in attendance of um and took this list and said willing to do this not willing to do this willing to do this not willing to do that can we agree on this and we all said yes and the resident said if we can get that done we'll be more than happy he said all right walked out the door and then we never heard from him no he came and he took down a whole bunch of trees and like no we we yeah yes we addressed all of this so so that we don't can so we can move forward I know this is very frustrating for you guys but what's also keep talking about what's been done isn't helping anything anymore no I didn't know anything had done yeah well we had a very good conversation at the last meeting which um was brought up so that's why we're here having this conversation now but it's essentially what it happened right yep he came in said yes I'm willing to do all this stuff the resident said yeah we're ready to rock and roll that was the last one we s obviously you guys saw the work that was started started started yeah we'll say started yet to yet to be finished so that's why we're here to say okay well that was also the list two years ago so if we just say okay good he's agreeing to this might be another yeah you know hopefully the road hasn't deteriorated anymore since 201 yeah I know and the problem is going to be getting to do anything at this point uh and of course without their participation it's pretty frustrating to figure out if they're even still willing to do anything well here's my question and maybe it's for you too attorney hom this property was held in a covenant Covenant that when it was sold they had 2 years to complete the work it was sold in 2017 why is the town not putting a $300 fine a day on this gentleman for not completing the work that is written into a covenant that the town has signed off on have you why we just letting this man do whatever he wants there's a covenant that said he had to finish it years of purchasing the property I think it there the C right there two no no that's a great question because why aren't we doing anything we feel very let down by the town that everyone just keeps going with this no understand that we spok with the attorney general and he doesn't understand it either I think what Tina means is that like why wouldn't we find them for not completing work just based on other bylaws not on the Covenant well first off the Covenant was against the original owner it says it's sold it needs to be completed within 2 years so go after the original did you hear any of that rich yes I did so um I understand it's a frustrating situation but the the the Covenant is not something that works like okay you have a covenant and if you don't do the work you get fine that's that's not the way it works the way it's supposed to work is is that for a subdivision Covenant um uh the that you're not supposed to be able to build upon or convey any of the Lots in the subdivision until the work is done so the problem here is that and this is something that I see in a lot of different towns and with different language is that that the all of the My the facts that I as I understand them is that all the Lots except lot one were released from the Covenant by by vote of the planning board so lot one is the only one that the Covenant still applies to however for somehow and I I I don't understand really how this happened apparently that that was sold even though it was subject to to the Covenant that should not have occurred but that's on the top what the Covenant is you you can't sell or build Upon A Lot until the work is completed so that's part of the problem here is that somehow that plot was sold even though there's a covenant on I think that's why everybody's doing this what is that responsibility fall so that's what I think we're trying to find out right we were trying to figure it out it was actually tce along the way it's interesting that an attorney didn't pick up on that somewhere along the line doing any kind of title work right it's because it was sold to a family member and then to another family member so I don't think they registered a title through the registry of deeds well there should have been a municipal lean certificate that would have flaged no I'm not saying it in that way I'm saying there should have been a municipal lean certificate that would have know yeah when you're selling a property and you get a municipal certif it wouldn't show anything about a covenant it should it reg it it was on record at the register de so somebody doing their due diligence would so then it be on the attorney but we should also in the town of Halifax have these flagged so that if they're going up to sell to that we because there's what three or four of them yeah I I don't know that I don't know that that would have to reach the council for that I don't know if how would the town know that the lock get sold if the lock get sold privately how would the town know that get sold somebody bought a cash they might not even look for a municipal lean certificate I mean there's so many loopholes to this thing well then loopholes but yeah so so we can talk about what's do moving forward but that doesn't solve the problem what do now right so ultimately again back to this problem which is what we're ultimately trying to solve is what are our options moving forward other than not taking um this developer's word for it that he's good for it and at this point he's not even getting back to us right I mean other than that he didn't actually say in the letter that they still agreed to do any of that that he just he just reiterated the conditions from that previous letter right um so so this this fellow the owner of of lot one he's you know through his attorney he's he has said here's what what I'll do okay you know here's the work that I would do and and he also has talked about other um he wants an agreement you know including other things I mean the biggest of them uh in my opinion is that if if we reached an agreement as to what work was going to be done and worked out the other procedural stuff he says he wants the a building permit to the lot before he does that work no way advise you so can you give a building perm without occy not do that you know CU that's really no but it doesn't me somebody occupy doing the problem all over again you know um so but so just one thing I want to mention is that this this um this fellow Mr U Pat and key Point construction um he you know he's not really at fault in that he wasn't as you guys know he wasn't the original developer he's not the one who failed to do this work you know he just he bought lot one when he shouldn't have been able to buy lot one but now he owns it and he's and he's saying you know I'll do this work so I think that's that's a little bit significant that he's it's not like we're talking to the original developer here this is this guy is really just a lot got to let us do our job please I know we know we know but too many people there's a reason why we're we're addressing this and when we get all the noise from the so just here's here's what what I think we got to bring up cuz trust me it's not as frustrating for you guys boy do we hate having this on our docket and sitting on our agenda literally every two weeks so the problem is I think you're right in the aspect of he never should have been able to buy it the problem is is that 2 years ago or whatever that was it was him that came in Mr pette specifically into this room and agreed to this list to say we will get this problem solved to get everybody to back off this issue and here we are two to 2 and 1 half years later still having the conversation and it's now affecting people's property values in order to resell so if that um what I heard was um if what he wants is the ability to build on that lot in order to do the rest of the work well then that is our biggest leverage point to say if you want to build on that lot then you need to do this work first and that's what that's what the agreement is going to have to be now my next question is going to be um that's what the deal's always been right and so the next question is or what and I think that's where we've been getting stuck is if he doesn't agree to move forward with this what is the what are the implications or the comp uh the consequen is to not finishing this list is there some kind of fine cuz ultimately from a business balance sheet perspective I hate to say this but I think we all know from a balance sheet perspective if I'm him as a business owner I'm going I'll just let it sit I don't really care what why am I going to spend $700,000 to make 300 it's bad business can I ask just one more question so what's the do we know what he paid for that rich do you have a did you you ever look at the deed I don't think I remember seeing the de 25,000 yeah okay so he's not he's not into it for much so that that makes it even it helps but also if it's going to cost a million dollars to finish the road and to build the property what I was he's not into it for much that he could sit on it right right right yeah oh I see what you say back in back in what was it uh 18 it was 156,000 to to fix to finish the in 2018 you think uh well be more than that now that was 18 it kind cost aot at that point it would have been comparable for a blank lot U yeah well he bought he bought the lot right if he might have been able to get 150 at the time for for a lot it's not a really desirable lot no no it's not it's got issues not to mention the landlock piece out behind it which is another issue but not not for us um so the big question is is what's what are the consequences or what are our next viable options in in to to be able to get it out of his possession or I mean obviously we can't enforce any kind of penalty CU that's not what the cant to what your advice or or input on that is so what is our what are our options here because if what we're hoping for is that he's going to stay true to this list that we're discussing um we may as well just skip on P the conversation number two I mean I think that's a very good point um because frankly um other than um if it were possible to reach some reach an agreement with this fellow uh and have this work done that would be wonderful if that other than that there aren't a lot of Alternatives at this point because it's all you know all of the the really the relevant um um things that happened happened a long time ago and and under the subdivision control law that we're beyond the statute or limitation where we could say let's go to court and uh get a preliminary injunction against this guy and make him you know against a developer and make him you know do the work that's required under the subvision approval that's it's it's way beyond that time so and and again as I understand the facts all the lots have been released from the Covenant except lot one so there there aren't a lot of Alternatives unfortunately makes sense to this is try to work with this guy who you know he's he seems to have some willingness to do to do work on the road if if it's unacceptable you know if it's not enough if he has you know requirements and demands that are unreasonable then okay you know I'm not like telling you or trying to pressure you to reach an agreement with this guy but if it were possible to do it you know on acceptable terms it would be a good you know a good result in in all the circumstances I think so if we were to reach out to him again or to through his attorney and say get a definitive that he would be willing to perform as per the list um that we've already been discussing he's already stay he's not willing to do that unless he gets a building permit right I'm going on with it's what what I think is the is the first question is so he you know quite recently in this this punch list that his attorney has sent to me it includes a list of things that he's willing to do I think the number one question question to the board is well is that acceptable you know is that is that okay with you guys is it not enough or would that be acceptable in other words to reach if possible some kind of agreement on the first issue which is what work is he going to would he do on the road because if you can't if there's no agreement on that then what's the point of um spending more time so I think that's the easiest part of the sorry to cut off I think that's the easiest part of the conversation is that the punch list has already been agreed upon that's right that's that's part it's what is what in what pecking order though right like he needs to do the punch list first and then get permission to build on the lot but he's saying he wants it the other way around yeah I totally agree with you but but what I mean he sent me this list that I forwarded to you in Mark that's that's you know currently what he says he'll do and and that that's I think that's the question now is is it is it perfect acceptable to the board is that not enough you want would you want more than that I think that's that's the question at this point I think that's the best we're going to get under any circumstances I don't I don't think we're going to do any better than that and it may not be perfect and it's probably a little dated but if we can get that much I think that would be you know a huge win at this point um and I hate to I hate to put be the stick in the mud of progress here um um but again I keep going back to this punch list was already agreed upon so this one that he's recently forwarded over to you is the same one that we discussed and he agreed to in person two and a half years ago and then didn't do anything on it so now the question is what happens if we say yeah sure great and then two and a half years from now still nothing is done he he must obviously know if he does the punch list he's going to get his bilding perit so why he just do it and get it over with I don't get it he's getting a lot of stuff knocked off what he really should do for the road I mean that's right exactly I mean the road's not going to be up to town standard I don't think when it's done you know to for him to complete what he's going to do here but at this point I guess I don't know if Steve good with it the town's willing to just let it go and get it yeah well the unfortunate thing is if appears to be the best we're going to get no matter what I know it just uh it's kind of like and and the more longer you wait the more it cost to finish the road and and the more deteriorate it's getting you can't have a binder course as long as it's been on there and have it hold up it's just uh originally it was going to be cut and replaced and then it was just going to be sealed yeah and you know again is it going to be what you'd want no I thought he was going to put on two two layers instead of three two layers instead of three that's count it's already there right so he's only going to put one more layer on on top of the it's not had to do three no he wasn't going to end up with the amount of injur he's getting rid of one course yeah so so okay so it's a just notification so there's a binder and then two other cods and this agreement is the binder and then another coat probably just one coat over what's there what the binder is before we can even he came he came and he cut and he made a message the road yeah yeah I remember that that so now it's even wor and he came and cut down trees and left them I remember that I I I hate to be the broken record but again it's we've already talked about this so we can sit here and go well this is a list I mean it's not perfect but it's the best we got and then we all say okay we all say okay I promise you we are going to get to the bottom of this I know you were very excited so here's the thing I'm I got it we're trying to do this but you got to let us work through the solution that's why we got town counil why he wants here's the thing so what obviously we all know why he wants we all know why yeah we all know why we want the building he wants the building permit first so they can sell the prop build on the property sell the property get rid of it and then bail on the on the project end it's a little deeper than that want me to tell you what it is so so when the road isn't up to par and he's gone yeah yeah that's what I say so because if he does this and then it goes to literally what I just said because here's the problem everybody is to speak and not listening okay what I'm saying here is where where I'm going this is if he gets the building permit first before he does the list he gets rid of the property and bails before the road is done and then he's gone and we have nobody to hold accountable for this so what I've been trying to get to the bottom of is what is the consequences if this list does not get done what are the cons because otherwise we're going to agree to this list and then we're going to be here three hour 3 years later the other reason is he doesn't want to do the work and have us constantly criticize it while he's building the house right because he's still there right so he he does he wants to do it at the end period even if he he wasn't going to bail on I mean it seems like if he puts a road in and doesn't meet the town standards I mean the road will probably be finished and everybody's eyes but will it be accepted by the town it might just stay a private road right yeah if it doesn't meet the specs of the town why is the town going to be stick themselves on the road that's not going to be up to P so worst case it'll just stay because here's here's where I'm at what I see here going on I've been an owner my wife and I have owned this property for the last 17 years we've been waiting for this road to be finished nobody seems to know how this is going to happen here we are at the end of our tenue year in Halifax we're planning to move move on I'm retiring very soon I'm sick and tired of waiting this to for this to be done we've paid our taxes we've done everything we're supposed to do on our end and you find folks are sitting there going well what are the consequences going to be seems to me that we're the ones bearing the brunt of the consequence here and I'm sick and tired of I understand we understand so something needs to happen what we're trying to figure out well a total you're trying to figure out is how what consequences the Builder is going to have the owner is going to have no if he doesn't finish the list is what I'm saying okay because the list is to do the road and if the list if the list does not get done to do the road which is what you taxpaying residents deserve what are the consequences because if it were any if it were if it were you and you were the Builder right and somebody said put out 300 Grand plus the cost of building the property and when you sell the stuff you're actually going to take a loss you well didn't he going to take I'm just saying hypothetically if you're the person right now unfortun was a whole different that made this whole mess begin here's here's what we can here's what we can take to the bank quite literally if there was money that was worth it on the other end of this project for him this would already be done done but but if there isn't then that's why this has not yet been done either there's no money to do it or there's no money at the end that is making it worth the the project to complete now the thing that sucks is all of you guys have to you're bearing the brunt of this financial decision that this other individual is making it is affecting your livelihood which 100% is not fair you are taking all the liability and all the risk while this individual just goes or else law and all the laws and all the loss so what I'm trying to get to the bottom of or what we are trying to get to the bottom of is agreement to this list is not good enough for me that's what I'm trying to say that's why I'm trying to tell you is this is not acceptable to me because we did it 2 and 1/2 years ago and thought we were making progress now we're not so what I'm trying to say is if he doesn't do this what are the consequences are we going to find them I don't can we find them what are the I don't think I know see our to he said earlier beyond that right so then we go all right let's listen I try to answer did I try to answer the yeah I try to answer the question what the consequences are the consequences have to be that he does not get a building permit well that's already true he does what he's supposed to do he gets the building permit and what if he doesn't care about the building permit and just says screw that I don't care about the building permit I only paid 25 grand for it anyways um I bought it off family so it doesn't really matter I'll just let it sit there and rot and I'll write it off on my taxes as a loss overall and then the 17 Lots or the seven however many lot the the four lots that are down on pasture Lane have to deal with paying $11,000 a month in property taxes on top of having to redo their suspension every year because they have to drive over you know through the Mojave Desert that's that's the problem and that's in those circumstances then this this guy this lot one lot owner is not the answer to the problem there so there would have to be some other answer can we petition the town to accept the lot so I think that's what we're looking to do if if the if the owner of lot one if the owner of lot one you know is not a solution to this problem what are our other options that's I think what we're trying to get to right or am I crazy there aren't a lot of other options there got be and that's that's a big part got because this is so far down the line in time that all this stuff happened like a long time ago the only other thing that I can mention to you is that the town does have a bylaw that that's for temporary repairs on private ways it's section 1476 of the town's bylaws and I'm not saying that that the town would be willing to do that or spend money or anything like that but there are there are very do if any um other Alternatives that's that's the reason why I think it's worthwhile talking to you guys yeah I agree I think we try to go for the best deal we can get with this guy and see if we can hammer out something that we can live with if we can't we can't yeah so I think um obviously I thought that's what this list was that's what it was so obviously option one is that's the fastest route to getting this done unfortunately you flip to the back page or this the back side of this page and we know it's going to go no chance in hell that's actually going to happen so then the answer is the backup is or else and if you're him as a business owner and the answer of or else is no consequences then I sit there and I go I'm never going to see you I'm not going to see it's your Christmas I don't care and that's not fair for you guys so now what we're trying to say is and unfortunately here's the deal sue the town you know what the town's going to do exactly what he just said they're going to call Our Town Council and he's know nothing we can do nothing we can do you've been kicking this through this planning for for 17 years this not for nothing but all of us have only been on here for the most of Max why I always say you cannot deviate from the bylaws however that does not S I agree solve the problem it doesn't solve understand it doesn't but neither is and here's the deal if you sue the town you're just going to waste your own money on lawsuits so the problem what we supposed to do just take it take in our properties I I think we still try to hammer out a deal but we' had for two and a half years so what's his time frame it's not the time frame right now the market is still moving to me getting a lot at okay hold on Rick what do you think it just as a ballpark I'm not going to hold you to it but like roughly how much do you think that this work would we're just talking like couple years ago no this list how much would it cost this list yeah like I mean honestly to do this list oh I haven't got a clue look into it okay but not even like some sort of an I'm just asking if you see what I'm saying well he's not doing as much as you would have Norm yeah like I said in 18 it was 157 but he's not doing but that's old now but prices have now it's 400 Grand so what do you think that the price I mean I to ask when you guys were talking about he wants to do not do the second course yeah there's a sidewalk there they want finished and they're going to do three courses on that that sidewalk is not going in anywhere right there's nothing on pwn Street why don't you just do away with the give him a little bone not a bone whatever but I hear what you're saying okay don't do the sidewalks put the other course on the the street so at least you get the three so then the three codes without the side what what's going to be cheaper doing this you know elimating the sidewalk and doing the other coat in the street it depends on if he's going to have to mean if it was my street i' want i' want Street done right I wouldn't be quickly concerned about a sidewalk let me let me go let's go down this RAB hole real quick if you don't mind just so that we can all be on the same page how much do you think this list would cost let's just say for the sake of it 350,000 I haven't got a clue I couldn't even see what was it back6 oh atast 50,000 to that okay so so hold on so ready just follow follow me down this so let's call all in this list is $250,000 Fair how to how much to build a house on the lot oh that's all the at least 400 okay so so we'll add 400,000 just for the sake of this conversation so now if I'm the developer this guy it's a l I'm 650,000 in to this property plus the 25 I paid for it plus the property taxes whatever however you want to do it on a balance sheet now I get it this does not matter for your standard of living I'm talking about a mathematical balance sheet I'm into this thing for $700,000 that means I have to sell this house plus paying the real estate agent plus the sales tax on all this for about $850,000 now you're not going to be able to build an $850,000 house after spending $400,000 to build it on that lot that's why this this list is not getting done I don't know because you know I think everybody understands that six grade that's what I'm saying I'm not saying here's here's the problem this this whole thing has been going on for for 17 years there's been absolutely no resolution about this so once again it falls back on us we're the ones who bear the brunt of the problem here we're the ones who are bearing the consequence not Mr pette and his his company he gets to walk away okay it's not fair it's not fair so this is why we're here this is the the town is supposed to be looking after this the town is supposed to be managing this nothing's been done absolutely nothing's been done about this I want to sell my property and get the hell out of here quite quite honestly and I don't want to have to lose money on it I couldn't agree anymore and the reason for the sixth grade math was so that we could stop talking about all of the reasons why this agreeing with this guy is not going to happen do you understand that's why it's not it's not to it's so where do we go from there so where do we go from there so okay agreeing with this guy is not going to happen this gentleman on the screen up here tells us we can't do anything at all so once again we get left holding the bed again after paying I don't know $113,000 a year in taxes for the past 17 years wow enough to pay for that road for sure we allate our taxes every year so at the end of the day unless somebody wants to buy that property from them and do this deal and develop the house and that on that development themselves and just call it a wash out of the kindness of Their Own Heart unfortunately and and I hope obviously you realize I'm my passion and enthusiasm on this topic is in your defense it is not apprciate the sixth grade math is not to be demoralizing or or in any way shape or form that and is to basically say from a business owner's perspective that's why this a getting done so let's talk about what's next yeah but hold on there's also the whole fact that you right now as long as the market stays up which every sign is that it's going to stay up for the next time being if he built this house and he was into it for the math that I'm doing of 625 and he sells it for 750 which I can see all day long I mean we're we we're selling new houses at crazy amounts of money on main roads he still has the ability to do it but the longer he waits that Pitfall is coming quicker here's the problem with it though is that's basically a break even deal so what he has his conscious clear clear and then everybody else right to me that's I'm sorry my conscience and ethics are the you're different yeah well everybody should have unfortunately what we're not talking about personal feelings we're talking about business I'm sure everybody know I read I'm just saying I had also sent a few things their potential buyers to Danielle to ask attorney HX did she send that along to find out because we want to know who's supposed to be maintaining because we don't know anymore because the covenant's nothing thing of the past who's supposed to be maintaining the road who's supposed to be maintaining the develop okay but he's not doing that so can you find him for that like something you have to be able to do something you guys can't just go so hold on we have to be very careful hold on let's be very careful because I have one other thing to say be careful not to point it at us because we're not the ones that have done this right we're trying to get to the bottom but you represent the town correct correct I'm not for to so I get it but two years ago when this gentleman was ready to go he went in to get his building permit and he was told by the building inspector at the time I'll buy it off you but I'm not giving you a permit okay wait a minute who are we talking excuse me he said that Mr Pat said that in a meeting it is in recording yeah he said that the building inspector at the time would not give him a permit but offered to buy the property from him that is why he wants the permit first that is why he want the permit first so that is on the town because you're building inspector at the time yeah well you better be careful making those accusations I'm not they on and that is why he wants the building permit first I'm sorry if he's your business partner oh oh we want to go down that road dude all right all right all right if we're trying to get this accomplished we have to be I'm tell you why he doesn't want I understand well I think think I mean I have no prior knowledge of anything that just got thrown out of in the air you were on the board when he said it I was on the board here I was on the board in the meeting when he came in and agreed to this list what we're trying to say what we're trying to do here is to say if he doesn't agree to this list what happens next because unfortunately the residents bear the brunt of the BS of the loss and that's not fair as all we all are residents of Halifax we know how much we pay to live here right and especially if you're trying to have an extion strategy it's not fair for you guys I bet my house that this list doesn't get done so what so what so what I've been trying to say is what what can we do and unfortunately it seems like Town Council saying there's nothing that can be done and even if that was even if that is on record and and factual which I believe you that that said was said what is that who who who gets there we're still doing this there's only one other solution that you get an article on town meeting floor to finish the road and we tried to do that two years ago on Al D sidelined us well I don't know that one person can sideline anything with oh they can in this town well the good news is said individual is no longer on any specific boards in this town so why don't we try that again because do we know Mr Pet's attorney's name do we have that yeah was Spain was the attorney's name Rich um M Spain the attorney for the lot owner yes yes Matt Spain Matt was that Matt Spain Rich that's that is the attorney for the for lot one okay okay yeah so if if we can get it back on cuz the meeting's in may you have until Tuesday to get it on the warrant I believe right how we do that final warrant yeah yeah it would have to happen quick because the warrant's going to close you need 10 signatures to get on it and the warrant closes Tuesday well we have 10 signes on the street right yeah is it have to be on the street or just any Resident and might hold on is that to get on the like so they're printing but wait a minute yeah the warrant did close the only that we're doing budget needs to be done by Tuesday in order to make the you you'd have to talk to the I think that it was May March 30th or something like that well town meeting is what May 11th 13th 13th yeah so it's close I I got to believe the warrant's been closed I think so yeah but I was confusing it with the finance committee with the budget because of last night's meeting nothing we can do about that could talk to the Town Administrator and see if because it might be able to actually yeah sometimes you can open a warrant it really depends on whether or not can we add something to the warrant as an emergency after the Clos date as long as we haven't printed yet or no you know what I mean not after the deadline to think not there we go I because all I was going to say is is what we could do is so that they understood the severity of this was to have a letter on behalf of the planning board saying how long this has been on our list and how um active we have been trying to find a solution and to pleas put this at the top of your priority list to address so that it's not just a line item to skip over and say we don't have the money for that I don't know what else then we have to think about how we handle releasing a lot after that but that's another St for another day right he shouldn't get Ben but also the lot no for sure not right um that would have to be anything you know almost like some kind of um lean against a lot of yeah we'd have to talk to Rich outside but again I know I just but again the entire town meeting would have to be convinced to go along with this it isn't like just get it on the warrant the last the last time we had a street I think it was lamp post came up on um I think right over that way it like probably like six seven years ago post or Autumn Lane maybe Autumn but right over there was it Autumn anyway it wasn't a finished Road and the town didn't accept it did not accept it yeah I mean that's just that's a real long shot it's just the only other thing I could think of that the only other direction you could possibly go unless now we're really getting far down the road unless the the developer is willing to let the lot go to somebody who's willing to finish the property so that he absolves himself of the liability well there always that crazy but we'd have to get the new owner have a bond that's my opinion like if you had some crazy person well we could we could he probably wouldn't do it cuz the bonds are too expensive but we could have the owner post a bond even if we were to give him a building permit if we had a performance so we treated him like a new buyer yeah with a performance posted a bond to do that and then finish the road we'll give you your bond back everybody they told him after this list was agreed upon two years ago that if he completed that they would give him a I understand but it still comes down to a balance sheet he's taking all the risk for notet and what I'm saying is I don't think he would do the bond I don't think that was acceptable so so I think as we're going down this rabbit hole we know the town's not going to accept not that the town's not going to accept it but unless it was Hey listen man do you want to stop having to pay your attorney every time we reach out to him you're obviously not planning on developing this law and the town has no intention of giving you a building permit so that you can just build on that lot and then disappear with the road still not finished so are you willing to open that lot for sale for somebody that is willing to come in and buy that lot in order with the contingency that they have to assume this project before finishing the lot and then start over fresh with somebody that has a new list of requirements on order to build that lot cuz if we don't get this gentleman off of this project this is not getting done and you bear the consequences and that's not fair so it's either he puts up the bond which goes back to the balance sheet of why the hell would he do that or a new buyer and the only reason why he would do that is to not have the pain in for it to be as annoying to be as annoying in his back pocket and have to pay his lawyer every time we reach out it's literally just saying fine want the freaking lot take the lot I don't care give me my 25 Grand back or whatever for the lot and somebody else's problem that's it's almost where it's so annoying it's worth somebody else's to do it but I don't see any other way from a common sense logistical mathematical business perspective and unfortunately the residents bear the burn of it I like the idea of asking him to do a bond um or I like the idea of saying listen can you bond this and we'll give you a building for finish the road or and I have a question in a second but or I like the fact that hey if you're not going to do this let's but in selling it the person buying it has to have a bond can we do that ra I mean it sounds possible I mean uh you that a developer can substitute different forms of performance guarantee under the subvision control law you know you can substitute a bond for a covenant for a trip party agreement or deposit of funds so it sounds theoretically possible ripping it straws but I'm trying to come up with something you you have to get another evaluation what's going to cost to do the work on the road to do the work on the road to build on the lot because nobody's going to buy that lot that doesn't find nobody nobody if if let's say we could disconnect this this person this developer Mr pette from this property in some way shape or form to start over the person that would be interested in that property would only be interested if it was a profitable opportunity for them including enough profit to take on the risk that if interest rates do go upside down who knows what happens in November we all got to start learning Mandarin right and then all of a sudden you're stuck with a 100 you know stuck with $600,000 worth of debt that's a lot of risk for the kindness of my own heart for $25 ,000 profit so is it progress from where we are now cuz we're on a rotary right now we just keep going in circles and that's all of your frustrations which is very well heard that's why I'm trying to think of a clean slate is the only option this is so I like the offer of that this is so hard to piece together cuz I heard what you were saying about construction cost it really depends on what you're constructing anything at 500,000 will sell right M anything and you're at construction cost of around 350 to 400 for something in that price range right an average building lot right now in a town like Halifax now regardless of whether this is a fantastic lot or not maximum value is about 200 you can still get 200 for a lot now I know some that just sold recently for 205 so you're looking in about 500 can you get 6 650 for something if you're clever if you do a lot of the work yourself if you don't have to sub out too much stuff can you make some money not a lot of money but if you own the lot right you can make some money yeah my understanding was and I'm probably wrong on this I the current owner bought it from somebody else who I believe actually took a loss on it when they sold it to him um I had it on here I think it was Kim that owned a tri I remember that name being yeah yeah that was one of the one I think he bought the 20 I'm probably these numbers are probably wrong no I'm going to let them okay seems to me regardless what are you going to make on a house I mean is a lot worth what it's going to cost to finish to fix over no no I that's where it comes right down that's the bottom line You' have to get you'd have to get the lot for almost nothing to be able to devel I don't know that you know what's going to cost you know with this list here what's it going to cost you so that's why the only reason why this would this new Fresh Start would work as if it was just too much of a pain in the butt for pette yeah because to say you got to basically give up the lot right give up the lot or even for sold the lot for 25 Grand or whatever you bought it for back his money just get his money back walk away you walk away from this this is no longer falling around like a black cloud and God forbid you haven't meet see the guy at Harmony Liquors I don't think he'd make it out of the parking lot right because without having to have a conversation I mean I've spoken with I've spoken with him on the phone a couple times because you know he feels like he's the stuck between a rock and high place too and I you know I get it but so so if we're thinking about it it goes youd almost have to get the law for what he paid for it just to give him make him clean and let him go home and then you have this plot of lands which between the land and the construction resale would wipe out what the cost of the road and the construction of the building would be it's a clean slate but who wants to take on all that risk for a just a a $20,000 gain I don't yeah cuz the only way you can do it is to cut into your profit Mar on the house I don't know I mean like think about this Tina recover Tina has the house on the market um for 900 yeah but this is a huge their house is huge no I understand but if a house sells on that W on that street for that much and we're selling houses on main roads like think about it 750 800 8 825 there is some profit margin in there profit in some cases that's do you see what I'm saying and they just standing Colonial I would never do it AIS reward it's left and right motion part of well it's moving like we're selling like right now 14 houses under agreement in Halifax and that's us that's more than what we ever carried 10 years ago I think our only option at this point is to go back to Mr pette pette and ask what if he's willing to sell the lot for whatever he received for or whatever he paid for the lot 5,000 actually from oh is that what you say so which is C I believe bought it from for 25,000 then he sold it back to the original builder for 27,000 and this guy bought it for 5,000 okay so crazy call me crazy huh are you willing to allow the lot to be for sale for $5,000 knowing that when we resell it when it goes back on the the listing that whoever buys it the contingency is going to be you can you can get this lot for nothing but you got to finish the road I it you see where I'm going well I can't sitting here am I crazy saying that out loud does that seem like the only solution Grand cuz I got to be honest with you otherwise I'd have a buy tomorrow I'm to all other options but the one I'm not willing to settle for after 2 and 1/2 years of representing this town as you said is more of this cuz I feel your I don't feel your pain but I hear it and I can't come up with nobody else has come up with anything else I like second your watch to me and he goes what the hell I didn't know we had streets like that in so if this particular proposal for lack of a better word makes him whole when he can walk away if he's the only stumbling Point here I don't have a problem with it but the problem will be is how yeah how attractive is it to a potential a lot for a bond yeah you got to know what it's going to cost you got to know what it's going cost to finish the R I know if you can finish a row for 150 Grand yeah the lot's worth 150 Grand right to me it seems like a noin for five grand I understand here's what may work right now is if you're basically going to get that if this if we did this and it was he's he may not but let's just say he goes you know what it's worth me to just get hold so I can walk away so I don't have to talk to people over again maybe that's what he wants okay if that's the case if I'm looking to build a home not as a developer but to live there long term 15 plus years it may be worth it to me to say if I can get this streak done and this list done for a reasonable price I get the lot for free and I can build the home that I want to live in now it's an even wash but where I'm going to make my money is over the longevity of being there with appreciation and longevity of the mortgage and the note going down and but you're not getting a lot for free if you have to fix if you have to no what I'm saying if you had to pay for the lot and the house and the street that's an absolute noo but if you're basically getting the lot for free the lot the cost of the lot and the cost of the street are a wash so if I'm there as a resident it may make sense if I'm there as a developer it's too much risk and not enough profit well that's why I was saying a lot still worth 200 okay pretty much any un okay so is the septic system designed yes and it's approved for four or three four this could depending on the road cost it could still work for this guy so we have options right at least now we have options we can go to them and go here's the deal all right finish this first and then we can all go away I like it right and you can make your profit and you buy build a house and the Market's still up and interest rates are said to drop by the end of the year and that's option one let's do that but that's what we were going to do 2 and 1/2 years ago when the cost of doing the street was 60% of what it is now so that's option one and he may go sure and then everybody's going to have to accept that and go on Blind Faith even though we know that that's not true and if he and if he doesn't follow up what are the consequences nothing so then option two is the second scenario that we just came up with okay well if you're not willing to do are you at least willing to let the lot go for what you paid for it so that it's just not on your balance sheet anymore and let us move on and then propose the next purchaser I just want to pose something to rich rich if we were to go with the give him his building permit and he'll do the road work afterwards is there anything we can do to encumber him um to put any you know any kind of a lean or other than a bond is there anything we can do to uh literally force him at the end of the project we can't SC away for aond not not that I know of let me make this very very clear my advice to the board is to not give them the building permit before he does the work yeah I advise if you if you ve an agreement with this guy the agreement would be do the work then you get the building permit afterwards right let's let's do this let's pose to him if he were to finish the work as per the original agreement and then we'll give him a building permit and see what he says at this point that's like what and if so now okay so let's let's wrap this up let's wrap this up which is what we did two years ago but things have changed so maybe he goes okay fine that's that's what I'm saying we I think we have to do this incrementally there's too many scenarios second option is then you got to let the thing go and we'll just get you you somehow get you know how to get M so in the meantime we're trying to sell our house the yard looks like I mean he's got bues everywhere we have perspective buyers coming in going what the hell is this mhm right what do I do so the town I understand you know it's not accepted by the town so they're not going to pull that out so now that's my expense to clean up liabilities I know about the can I take here's the thing I don't think anything's going to happen fast enough to really help you in this in unfortunately you know I I I don't want to put it in those terms but I I just don't see anything regardless of what scenario we adopt here that's going to jump in and take care of you in the short run no you're right you're absolutely right however if we can come to some sort of written agreement cont pass that along at the very least you know the listing broker can say when when a prospective bias asks these questions we have some answers we have we have something in writing something science something legal something notorized whatever it happens to be yep I I I hear you completely I I think I don't want to cut you off no you were talking I was waiting I was going to say I I think we could have Rich pose to them what we just talked about again do the world work we'll give you a permit build your and move on and let's see what we get for a reaction we just try to do it quickly MH and and see if we can get something back from them quickly and if that doesn't work then we can I don't know offer option two because really what option two is is at least when we ask him get some kind of a timeline of a response yeah I mean yeah and also we could also say you know in a show of good faith if you really do agree to this list is a so good faith could you please knock out the number one thing which is not make it look like crap I think being careful cuz I keep forgetting where recorded right on YouTube yeah on YouTube right so so no you can do it I can't I don't think I can right so but ultimately if that's the case and he does agree to this and we say can you just please go clean up cuz you're you're really kind of knocking down everybody's property value here and he's not he's not an idiot so he's going to know that there's a house for sale on too so for sure so then the option two is is that it would be to propose for a new buying situation but ultimately a new Buy situation is the situation that he's in right now yeah 5 grand isn't going to be a big difference so it's like it's it's options but it's not I I I think we at least have to try to put this together one more time th% at least to get the street cleaned up and something in writing which would help you for the next SP it would have to be otherwise there's no consequence has to be in writing yeah right has to be contracted yes real estate has to be in writing or on how would oh sorry one of the things that I think can be done but I'm not 100% sure because I've been on boards in previous years but at any rate if he says okay that sounds good because he said that sounds good before we know the guy's a li from day one thank you but now we say okay you say you're going to do this when and if you do it don't do it by when then we are going to take and make some kind of financial commitment against you but he said we and I don't know why you can't if you had a contractor or we're going to sue you civil let the people go right after okay which they can do they certainly can all right it cost you more to do that than it would to put the road in mhm so you see what I'm saying saying if I'm him I'm completely protecting if I'm him I'm going go ahead or else I pick else he said I'll sit on for 20 years and you all be dead so what I'm saying is instead of beating our heads against the wall let's go back to him and say okay like we did 2 and 1/2 years ago here's the list but now we want to writing and secondly as a show of good faith the step one is come and clean up the crap right cuz you're depreciating people value of their homes okay so if you really do agree to this and it isn't writing because then you'll have that let's make sure Rich knows what we're talking about CH of the debris yeah oh yeah no of course so we I think we're still trying to knock through the logistic I'm start your street number again five five five I I don't know if you're aware of it or not rich when he started through the work years ago or whenever that was cuz I wasn't here uh he left a lot of debris on l five that he's never gotten back to clean up so we want to try to get that incorporated into an agreement to get done quickly and it's not just your lot right is it a bunch of all just the water retention area is proper proper that's where he's pulled it we requested the highway be able to go do it but he can't because that's a private road right how about we ask Rich did the same situ would you would you feel to bring this all home at least for tonight right do you mind if I say this no no absolutely let go would you feel comfortable with having our Town Council go to his lawyer and say here we agree to the list that you initiated with us which was provided to us we would like this agreement to be in writing and have a show sign of good faith we would like for on lot five for that debris to be cleaned up right we don't have to say removed and removed cleaned up and removed okay and then once you finish this list as soon as that last check that last box is checked you get your building permit for lot one we start there and then we will know by the next meeting whether or not that was accepted or not is that acceptable progress for at least tonight it is for me yeah I think that's the best we can come up with is that is that cool with you Town Council yes that that's good um I just want to make sure that we're clear as to exactly what what the work is you know there's that punch list and what at this point they're proposing is the things that say to be completed on that in blue yes well on our on our list talking about so that's where I'm going to ask Steve Steve have you been out here recently to say that the yellow things on the list haven't I haven't seen that can can you go out and maybe report to whether or not so get back make sure that was done and that it's not deteriorated to the point that we can let that go and that would behoove everybody I think because he's probably afraid that if he does this and then it doesn't get accepted by the town meeting because of a lack so let's make sure that you know what I'm saying okay well you get to report that to most of this hasn't been yeah that's what that's soe in point case in point um he's saying on on number 18 remove trees and brush from Basin for Bay and BMS it's listed as completed that's the number one thing that we are trying to get done on the new list because he cut all that stuff down and left it on lot five so it's in fact not completed so one and two is done after further review of only only numbers one and two are completed and we're going to have Highway Department go out double check make sure that all the yellow is still okay and not deteriorated if you will and then and then we'll get back to you by the beginning like Monday Tuesday and give you our list that yeah by Highway that sounds that sounds great that sounds great okay cool very good thank you Rich okay thank you for sorry you had to listen to that rotary of death no problem thank you you're welcome all right have a good night thanks you too I know you're trying try so frustrating well I appreciate is we got further than we have ever ever so well to be honest with you it was it was I think only like my fourth or fifth meeting when this guy came in and did this and so I was like look at this we're making progress I should have done this earlier right now we are 2 and a half years later and still nothing's been done I thought it was going to finally get done you know what I mean it was like the the rabbit foot or something well regardless of how the road ends up I mean it's certainly not going to be perfect into to what standards we would like but we've got to get the best thing we can get and get this at least started to be over with right it's it's atrocious yeah no I've been down I've seen it all right so um I guess there's another question here that we're not going to be able to answer um we going no that covers it for me that's fine I appreciate your time I know kept you later than you wanted no no no no that's all right if we can make some progress it's certainly worth it so you're telling me that the highway department is going to come down and yeah make an assessment as to what yeah he's going to take a look to see what was completed what still needs to be done and how it correlates to the list do you need to meet with one of us to do that or show list cuz I need my own all right if uh if that's okay we're going to move on can you send us what the list is okay thank thanks have a good night the other thing is we have no 4 to Z okay it's sure sure what it's the agenda oh God we have the approval letter for the site plant 46 our p stre uh need a vote to sign it I guess Brendan was not here for that meeting so he doesn't have to vote oh on a minute no on the uh approval letter for the subdivision which I had in my possession here at one point I don't know where it is now um signatures can I have a motion to can I read it oh this is exension where is the uh how come they're asking for an extension here but they deleted off of conservation uh I don't know where is the other one I could have sworn I saw can we have our email and ask that well I'll tell you what um how about we just get a vote authorizing the chair to sign the letter for the approval for 416 our ply street that way when we find it I can sign it nobody else has to get drag that's what it says right here chairman signature needed that's it that's what it says okay y okay I'm sorry I'm not going to participate in voting for that well it's already been approved so it doesn't matter all right extension th development is looking to extend [Applause] until 60 days May 2nd along with a 60-day extension request so that it would have been May 2nd and they're going for 60 days which is July 2nd oh hold on July 1 all right so I guess we need a but our meeting is until July 5th oh wait a minute F I don't have a calendar for I do it's just here but but still we have meetings before that so so we're going to extend it until July what 5th 1 first cuz 30 31 okay need a motion to extend the site plan extension for 26 266 mon ponsa Street until July 1st yeah 60 days 2024 can I get that motion so moved can I get a second I I was he right well this is on [Music] extending y the site plan review for 266 Monon Street July 1st 2024 all those in favor I I I all those opposed eyes have it unan sure I want to out all those in favor is that one for the 265 though that we need to vote it oh both of them are 266 put the July first state there too oh is it this not good site plan and then what's how come it's two of them that's what I'm saying you know what I'm saying yeah I know what you're saying how come this too I don't know is it just a copy just looks like a copy oh this one's actually looks like the official one cuz it's signed by them let's put this behind I don't know that we need to sign that one okay sure everything else attached to this well what does it say does it tell us why it needs the extension on there there's a you know [Music] renderings we need some additional time to complete the renderings right I can get signatures on this it would be a wonderful thing watch my gel pen might be leaking a little bit all right and then meeting minutes that's the last thing on the agenda I will make a motion to approve the meeting minutes for March 21st 2024 as written do I do I have a second I'll second it mov seconded to approve the meeting minutes for Thursday March 21th 2024 all those in favor I I anyone opposed eyes have it [Applause] unanimous Oh I thought you were hand sorry I thought you m which wouldn't have been to far I can't watch [Music] my [Applause] oh last do we have any correspondence there is no correspondence wow so in light of that I will entertain a motion to talk to Steve I just want to give it on record about um D your way with that second manhole let go so we have the towns uh PL over it so it's another non accepting road that yeah I think uh what we're going to have to do is try to reach out to SP you know he's deceased he's G yeah y when not too long ago that's what I was going to say so I I'm trying to Danielle's not here but I can't remember if she said that somebody reached out to her um a family member or if she heard them having reached out to somebody El so when she comes in Monday I will talk to her and see if she actually heard from the um and then if we can get some contact information at least we can get that train started all a little bit I don't know how that's going to work out pretty similarly I think cuz that Road's at least as old yeah how many man holes are there is that the the last one there they already they already fixed one right now another one they fixed one then the second is it's it's not funny but I think it's Mr Chapman or Chipman whatever the yeah chap chap chap chance so I walked it with him and I said this one's going to be the next one and it is so what they what do they do to fix the first one just put another plate on it and yeah they actually put them in cover oh they put a cover on and then TI it over so it's still below grade the cover yeah it's still but at least it's not going to collapse yeah well that's all you can do at this point I think it's safe but that's another one the sidewalks not the right WID or anything like that I think we should have a sit down with anybody involved with all these non accepted roads and figure what the town can do without when he was there certain things the highway department like some of these um detention PS and stuff now that machine I have we we'd be able to do some of the work so we could say okay do the rest of the road get the roads right so we can get them accepted instead of just keep on like you said kicking the cand yeah yeah we need to do something but there is there's a lot of roads that aren accepted yeah well still we were talking about Autumn Lane earlier that never got yeah har har that's the last extension and that's the one that didn't get accepted there was one or two things they did but they never came back to get accepted yeah and somehow they got par sh release yeah what were you going to say ER I was going to say when he was alive the the pet from deia away he said it wasn't worth it to finish a road the law wasn't worth that much and it stinks cuz I get all the calls at the at our office people like these guys all upset at me it's like my hands are tied I can't well that's the hard part is like don't don't say it's our fault I get it we do represent the town but obviously we're here hearing the conversation to try to fix it not to say too bad suck it up I mean we're trying to get to the B it trust me we don't want to have like I said from day one when I first got a board it's just it was a bad deal to begin with and like even like the lloy just the you know Town Council just said they said nothing you can do about it's been too long 20 to 25 years I've been hearing that since the I think the first meeting I was on the board pass your lane and same same thing back then that's where every time I have Town Council come and talk about it's like bend down that road and they all say the same thing nothing they can do you know and it's I feel bad for the the home owners I mean what they want us to do you know yeah we're on the board we saying if we have a little sit down everybody get on the same page on what we can afford for the town to get these roads accepted because it isn't fair that these people pay I mean if the talent had to finish the roads there's no way that would the cost should be ridiculous and how can you justify you know these other roads falling apart and I and fix a road that's old compared to somebody that's been living here their whole life like mine that we can leave blue but I know it's not your fault I droke down go on my street go on street I droke down yeah I know it's all but iame that on the there are some streets that I intally go out of my way to not go down my wife's new car cuz I'm like I know that's not worth going down that salt alax has sh yeah H none of those roads were ever built right and that's the hard part people take it out on me because I'm in the position I knew that was going to happen anyway but people have to understand that it started a long time Farm roads yeah said there there's a bylaw that says you can fix there some bylaw about fixing a private road no is we can work 147 on like dirt road supposed to yeah I was like and it's um we can do grading on roads two times a year right but we're not supposed to do any drainage work on it nothing like that just fix what has to be fixed and we go to the select to get them to okay certain things also which I just talk but once like I said you open that door well my road needs some patch work come over and do that every single I don't think it makes sense to get the residence in a row cuz then that's going to you don't want them all G up have a little sit down and say okay so I say yes we can afford that but the paving part of it I don't think we should do but I don't know how we can do sidewalks like I said that sidewalk on that road it's not going to another sidewalk anym it's just for that one development and that's the new bylaw for the town that's something they can say okay well here's the problem then you you know there's always the risk of having a resident hey I bought in there because I knew knew there was going to be a sidewalk and now you're telling me there's no sidewalk where's my sidewalk we I'm not saying that's going to happen but that's always opens the possibility the lane they W sidewalks and the lane the guy won't do anything but if you say okay it but we never finished the process of take that off we can work around that well yeah I think one side [Music] yeah or how does that work youd have to revise the site for and have all the all the owners sign off on it in front of a notary or a lawyer oh yeah because they bought a house with the sidewalk yeah and so we can't get that that's where unfortunately the planning board let them down yep that's sad I mean that that's the bottom line but when you stack it into this car along it's been how many years it looks even worse than it did then yeah but but in but the other part of that is the planning boards never held the best lot in the subdivision that's you know the Builder always offered up the worst lot the town took the worst one yeah look at ouro M it's a hill yeah yeah and the one on da is the drainage the dra yeah and you know some of that argument was well you know uh if I let them hold the worst lot by the time the rest of them were in here this one will look better because people will want to be in the subdivision I mean so there's a crazy kind of logic that flows back and forth no no the problem is is that um for some reason we're still operating on Common Sense and we realize that only about 7% of the country has that so unfortunately I think moving forward it will be Lot number one is being held I from now on yeah for sure they' held the best laot to begin with everything be no problem right that's what I'm saying back on the call so I think we need a motion to adjourn because I second seconded toj all those in favor say I was having a quiet night I need I need another eye okay who is this I keep this one no that's for you I took a picture [Music]