##VIDEO ID:RF04aDSVwKM## [Music] seeing that at 7:00 I'll open up the meeting of the Halifax planning board uh taking place at 499 Plymouth Street in Halifax at 7:00 p.m. here in the selectman's meeting room on the meeting dated September 19th 2024 make the announcement it's an open meeting uh planning board meeting is being recorded by area 58 and can be reviewed on on YouTube uh full board tonight uh all members are present and uh let's see let's uh start off our first uh appointment 24 spr 246 266 mon ponet Street revised plan to match the Board of Health and the conservation uh committee approvals need to be endorsed and signed by the board we can do that they're all the way through conservation conservation is meeting on the 24th they're not all the way that's that's the next meeting dat they're not all the way through fora Health has has approved it for 266 not 265 yeah correct 266 right that's where we at 266 the last uh last information that I got which was this afternoon was that they were uh just typing out the conditions and uh I said conditions like what conditions and it was basically for uh uh the site preparation uh traffic control yes while uh they wanted to uh while they were delivering you know the the materials and whatnot that the the trucks would uh would stage over at 265 instead of on 58 and then come over as they needed them they increase the uh no parking area you know stuff that just involves the site work you know nothing uh nothing concrete uh I did also uh just for my own benefit uh I asked the you know like concom had uh had us basically approved the the site plan uh other than the conditions were being typed up uh we we got the the uh letters and whatnot from uh the Board of Health they had signed off on it and uh this is here uh what we're acknowledging is the uh the notification of the uh of the uh septic system was uh raised up uh 6 in uh I spoke with uh where I was looking for a letter or something that we we could get from U uh Pat brenon so uh I called him I spoke to him today and he he said that uh uh basically was just notifying the the board that was being raised up 6 in uh to a it it did not affect the uh any of the water flow any of the uh the Water process any of the septic system it was uh uh it was uh just a notification of uh of the uh the change the uh modification and uh so that's basically where we are with the and then notifying our board you know making us aware of it that uh it was raised up 6 in it's handling the same amount of water according to Mr Brennan uh you know it can handle the you know there's no change to the storm water runoff there's no change to the being able to handle any more or less or IND different on the septic system you know I don't know you probably know rais 6 in more above the water table it just need and that's all it was uh yeah just construction for was that's what I figured you'd know kind of the expert on that that's reason I can see they raise it just that's exactly why otherwise they could have asked for variance but they didn't want to do that yeah so but still I know that from being at the meetings the chair did not want to let go of the storm waterer Management on that yet because he didn't like the fact that there was runoff on the back I know that for a fact he said it in the meeting no they still have to sign off on it and they can't get any permits until everybody signs anyway well I think that we should make sure that that's correct before we go through and sign it because the storm water is not done with them for 266 and he was not okay with well that isn't exactly accurate I'm sorry to interrupt you but it literally Allan stated the chance stated that he didn't like the runoff going off the back and that that's why they had continued it and not so that's not done yet what say they actually had a signed off plan it's the revised plan that they they're going look at on on the 24th I think that we should hold off uh I I spoke with uh Peggy uh this afternoon the uh administrative assistant and uh she said there there were no other concerns other than uh the fact that it was notifying the board that it is going to be raised 6 in and and like I said uh uh Mr Brennan said it doesn't affect anything as far as water flow water amount or because I'm surprised that alen would say that would with uh you know Mr Brennan right there with the uh the engineer the certified engineer saying that there is no effect on it so I don't know what that is interesting because I spoke to Allan yesterday too and he didn't bring it up to me either but he stated it out loud at the last hand again they still have to get it signed off still has to get the permit process but the site plan for us shouldn't be signed off because everything comes into the plan every other piece every other board is a piece of the whole entire plan so conservation is not done yet so we shouldn't be signing off on the plan because that piece is not done well us not signing off on it delay the project in some fashion maybe be good for the town no I'm just saying like if we did wait until everybody else signed is there anything other than it just being on our agenda that it would really matter no well they got when's our next meeting the third and theirs is uh the 24th I believe it delays them applying for permit I this is this is the building time year I mean it's only a week or so but why not Rick you again you our our expert on septic systems here would but it's not SE what do you think uh long it's not changing anything on our site plan so I don't see how it would it would affect any way we're going to vote on it if the site plan is not changing just a septic and the uh that's up to the Board of Health and as long as no elevations have changed on the drainage or parking or anything else really yeah we showed the B help did sign off on and actually there was also a memo a letter from the building inspector uh Ed said that uh is reiterated what you said it's still before anything has to that's it has to be signed off or before anything is issued and uh he he put right in the memo he didn't think it was necessary to uh you know open a a public hearing about it it's a it's a notification of a 6in height increase well they didn't do any modification us on it and so no they don't have they should present yes they do because it's a modification of the whole entire site plan and they should be site plan it's just a septic area that's it has nothing the contribution hasn't signed off on it either and so they should be coming back to us showing us the new site plan because we are the planning board which means that all of those things are part of the whole and that we need to make sure that they all work for the entire plan that is our job and we been down this road before technically we can sign off on a site plan without anything from any of the other boards yeah that's the way it's been since I've been here they always wanted us to sign off first before no go through the other boards because which is kind of well no it's not if we don't approve the site plan they may have to change where their septics go or whatever else but well that's the whole reason that the site plan has to have all of the other boards because all of those other boards need to sign off on it and then we're the final like one that says okay they've checked all of these boxes nothing's going to change on the plan Here's the final plan boom otherwise it doesn't make sense like oh we'll just sign off on it halfhazard and then the board hell changes this and then this gets changed and none of it has been presented to us correctly and still boards can change that like you just said they could change this or could change that and has nothing to do with the plan and it never comes back to and has nothing to do with what Authority that Bing board has to say if if that were the case they could they could sign off on something in the pling could say no we're not accepting that you know they're the ones that Board of Health has signed off on it conservation does not have a problem with it uh the building inspector does not have a problem with it and uh it's a notification of a of a of a of a change a height it's got nothing to do with runoff storm water management or anything like that not that even that is under the purview of of of the planning board I don't have anything in writing from Pat Brenan we don't have anything in writing from conservation yes the Board of Health signed off on the septic system but it should have to go through the whole entire conservation has to go through it I know for a fact and actually I would like to ask Fred Corgan because I know that he was at that meeting Fred Corgan will you correlate my story and let me know can you stand and let us know what that or would you be comfortable doing that well first of all it this is this is before the board it's it's not a matter of uh from the public so it's uh it's up to the board if well if someone wants to make a motion and and then we can we can vote on that whether or not we we sign it or not we can or we do that I'm sorry I said before we do that y I'm I'm my simple question is somebody tell me what the downside is to waiting till the third till after the next um conservation like what is what is what would be so devastating if we just let the process do its thing and on the third we go the only reply I would have is that from a contractor's point of view it's a minimal amount of time but this is the time of year that's the most important for the ground freezes and all that you got to get this stuff in as soon as you can at least the you know the the groundwork as you alluded to even once they apply for their permit it's going to be a week's process or two weeks process because each board has to individually sign off again for the building inspector before they get so it could technically delay it 3 weeks I mean that isn't us I mean it isn't coming out of our pocket or anything but it is it is a problem for the contractor yeah and and and recognizing the fact that whatever conservation says they got to do they're going to do because they want to get it right or we could vote on it on the issue and then uh sign off on it uh with the condition that uh subject to conservation's final approval that's also another option that's reasonable or we could and then make sure then you're kind of killing B two birds with one stone but I mean I'm not trying to be believe you I'm not trying to I understand saying just trying to mediate between the two sides of I get it and know we don't have anything from p r and writing and not that obviously you know the verbal recognition of it isn't you know valid but it seems like it's just two weeks and it would just make this conversation stop what's Pat Brennan going to have to say about it there's really nothing he's going to have nothing to do with it he's already made all his comments and made all the adjustments this is just the Board of Health rais and Elite probably at least field up six inches no big deal and it doesn't affect storm water management it doesn't affect anything doesn't affect any previous site plan approval I don't see how that would work the runoff would be so negligible it wouldn't be noticeable I mean it would just be a tiny tiny tiny bit faster I have a question um on that so there's some places in Plimpton right after the old pogos that land that was cleared right before that farm they're digging in front of so there's a mounded section cuz that whole piece of land is mounted and now they're digging a whole section and they have it all off in front almost like they're trying to put in another part of drainage or something vac lot on the right yeah there's a couple places like that McKennon P's trucks is that he sold that he sold it yeah that was for drainage purposes he uh he was asked by the town I believe to that's my point would you like an answer yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm sorry I out of turn here yes your name please my name is anes I'm the chair of the board um that property had site plan review there's a drainage um structure that's going in the front there and he dug the um area in advance of doing the rest of the site work because the neighbor on the other side was having an issue with the drainage so he teed that up that's where his storm water Swale is going to be but by putting it in before he does the rest of the site work it alleviates the problem that the neighbor was having with the ni that's sort of my point on the whole like when you raise it up from you than me that's my point thank you well then uh what's the pleasure of the board uh can we at least can we at least include the upon you know um approval contingent upon approval from final approval written approval from uh conservation and that it doesn't affect or change the site plan in any way you could even say prior to the application of a building per to constrict it a little bit more which still means that they'll have and have to wait for it doesn't make any sense to just let it go without this happening because we here are the Safeguard for the residents not the developer and his costs so I think that we should wait for the developer well why not wait till October 3rd then because that would be the best thing for the residents to make sure otherwise you're not really working it's going to be sure no matter what you know you can make your own argument but why wouldn't we all just wait I want inwriting from pgb not just a phone call from one of us where there's five members here there is an a president to this board there is a chain of how the meeting is run but we all should be obtaining the same information so that we can all read it we don't have that we don't have a an approval from conservation we don't even have the approval sent to us from the board of Health right here we have nothing in writing and conservation did State at that last meeting I was there he did State I don't like the fact that there's runoff going off the back this whole thing is not being contained and in my opinion commercial property because this is a commercial because it's over four units needs to keep all of their storm water on their property not just some of it every property I'm sorry every property okay well thik stated at the meeting that at the conservation meeting that no no no no that's that's okay and Allan said no but they had already signed off on it right yes they have they still have a hearing open from more parts of their conservation it is not complete well the only thing they have is the conditions I wanted in writing to the planning board because on the application which all of a sudden is missing all the rest of the pages um on this one here um what are you talking about this only we only have one page on the site plan application for 285 Home Street there should be more pages um that's not the site plan application we usually use and have used and I don't remember voting to change that so that's not a full application um but I thought we talk about well we are but it's a it's a point so the point is is that on the site plan applications they have to check off that they send us all of the information from all the other boards and it's not because it's a checklist for fun it's a checklist so that all those other boards send in all the information so that the site plan is completed and we sign off after it's completed not before yes okay so so discussed this at the the previous we went round and round and that and that's when you said that the checklist is the Halifax document no that checklist was was uh drawn up by uh it was drawn up by the administrative assistant and the building inspector about 15 years ago cuz people were walking in and want to know what it was it's not an official Health effect document here's what you need to we've been using it for 15 bottom line it just seems like a silly Hill to die on or to try to die on if it's all going to get wrapped up on the 24th I mean if it's easy to put the contingencies in there to get this but this seems a little excessive of a conversation from no and I don't mean in any direction but I just mean it's just a I I agree that we need to get everybody to sign off on it like we don't have anything in writing right changes so what I'm saying is why are we dying on this hill when it's all going to get wrapped up on the 24th and then we meet on the third oh okay I'm just saying it just doesn't seem like it's worth everybody's energy unless there's a reason that somebody can tell me that makes sense other than it delays their ability to dig holes by a week that's all I'm saying and if contingencies wrap this up let's wrap it up and if they don't and we'd like to see it just makes more sense to wait then let's do that but let's not die on this hill all right once again we're back to what's the pleasure of the board when we want to make a motion I'd like Tom what do you want to to do I would like to make a motion that we continue this hearing or site plan um sign off because it's not a hearing at this point site plan sign off till October 3rd and I still would argue that they need to come back and show us a site plan modification do I have a second there's a motion on the floor do I have a second can you remove the comeback for a site plan modification part because I'm all in on continuing this till October 3rd I'll that was just a point it wasn't about that was just a point I will second that that we just what's your motion now my motion is that we continue this to the Third of October at 7 o'clock till everybody else sign and oh hold on and add on to there that we have the pgb and writing the conservation sign off the Board of Health saying everything and like from so that we have it all in writing and then in our file and the planning board everything is where it should be in writing it sounds like that's our protocol right so I'll second that all right I um yes I have a motion in a second on the floor any further discussion from members of the board I am inherently wanting to move this thing along but we're not talking about that gred time frame that's all I'm saying yeah if it was three months like I'm taking your point and I'm saying you know we're talking six seven days Rick I can see that Thomas I can see that point too why we're going to sit here and argue about yeah right exactly know I mean yeah let's move on I I do myself I I do agree with the motion uh the explanation the second part I I I don't agree with you know and don't want it as part of the motion but if it's simply the motion being continued to October 3rd to we hear uh from the board and and whatnot then uh and then we can discuss it then then yes why wouldn't we get in writing what pgb said I mean why would that be a problem I mean that would be just something he not going back to to review right for that for that 6in but he talked about something and stated it then he should put it in writing as part of the review well the good news is we have a motion in a second and then we can now again that's hoping that everybody's agreed that's on conservation right again that's nothing to do with the planning board if they if it should yes it should be in writing he's he's being paid to to uh the for the board and whatnot so yes of course but it shouldn't be our motion to make him put it in writing that is I guess is my point we can request it in writing right that he's signing off on it but we can more we can also refuse him because he didn't bring something in writing right right I mean we still have the option to discuss this at the I was going to say we're we're moving this to discuss it again October 3rd we're not moving it to pass it October 3rd so let's just do that right is that so that's the motion the motion is that we continue it till October 3rd for further information for further information we continue in to octo October 3rd okay so there's a motion in a second I'll ask for a Voice vote BR yes Amy yes myself yes Tom Yes Rick yes unanimous okay moving on okay uh next one 24- s244 arold WEA Cy plan review application for map 73 lot 78 on Plymouth Street Joseph how are you good evening how you guys doing uh Joe Webby uh just wanted to come and let you know that we have filed with the historical commission commiss and we have not heard that problem I just wanted to make sure that uh we could get this continued oh yeah you have it we did continue it for till what yeah you signed contined to today that's why wasenda it's on the agenda right okay do that again yeah okay I Joe do they have the uh do they have the Renditions and whatnot of of the front of the building when it's going to look this historical I literally handed it to John oh okay yeah he stated that yeah so it's just matter getting an appointment sit down and go through it what what did we give them the extension to when you came up October 9th yeah October 9th we meetting the 3D so so we're all yeah okay so should we continue we'll continue um 24244 Arnold wear a site plan application from map 73 lot 7A Plymouth Street till October 3rd at 700 p.m. great thank you thank you very much keep oh a second I guess that's what we oh I didn't know you were making a motion do we have a second all those in favor of contining with you October 3rd unanimous come on Mr chair keep this momentum going go 3 minutes to 7:30 that's okay uh 285 Home Street uh PS uh pspr 24-1 Cy plan review application continue to October 3rd meeting per request of the applicant Hi how are you I saw you went on ring did you uh it's continued I mean you you have anything you want to add or anything no I mean I just wanted to I just wanted to make sure because we sent it in by email so I just want to make sure that the the board had gotten it and that it was continued um and then I can give you a little update so our has spoken with the review engineer for the Conservation Commission they had a long conversation and they've talked about some changes that he's going to make to his calculations and some revisions he was hoping to have that done for the next Conservation Commission meeting which is Tuesday but I don't think he's going to get it done so we've continued the Conservation Commission to the following meeting to provide that information how are we doing with time with you guys for the planning board we need to do we need any we extended it the last time right but I think given the Conservation Commission schedule we will probably need to extend that again do you want to do that now um sure I'm happy to do that okay so we'll give you another like 30 days for now I I just don't remember what date it was contined is it in the minutes I think it's October 19th third vote 17 that would be cuz the next one's the third so 14 she might just be like talking yeah but she might be just talking like the 30 like how where is till the 9th that's not a meeting it's just 30 days exended 30 days okay September 5th extend to the 19th so was the we meet on 14 days would be the 17th oh and then tonight's the 19th okay the meeting right so okay so then it would be October 9th so we should just be safe and give her um do you want an extension for 30 days from October 9th to November 9th yes while you're here you might as well let's do that we have November 7th November 7th is that meeting of November so that'll give us enough time okay that gives us a two days all right so I'll make a motion to um allow for a 30-day extension on the site plan review for Lidell Development LLC petition number PS pr-24 D1 285 Home Street the original date was August 6th it was um continued um on for a 30-day site plan application review 9 and we're continuing it another 30 days from October 9th to November 9th 2024 can I get a second to allow this extension all wa it was signed the 9th the extension would be 30 days from the 19th that's tonight which is tonight oh wait oh wait a minute okay so the original this was this was just 31 so 25 I see what you're saying 25 was 30 and then it was going to be 15 days later from that so it was going to be tomorrow that's what it was it was going to be tomorrow so we'll do a 30-day extension from the 20th of October which will be November 20th so I'll say that we're going to do a 30-day extension on the site plan to go from October 19th 2024 to November 20th 2024 just in time for Thanksgiving yes all right is there a second thank you second second uh all those in favor of uh the 30-day uh extension I'll ask for Voice vote Yes Amy yes myself yes Tom yes and Rick I can't vote on that what's that heend always passes four to Zer thank you I'll have this ready for you in a second that's took for a j right mhm meeting minutes if everybody's and some bills what's that that's so all we have left is meeting minutes and some bills get home in time for the game well she's uh writing that up everybody have a chance to review the minutes that were sent out for all loone any changes Corrections deletions meting on August 11th we had one on August 1st and August 22nd August 15th that was and 15 that was cancelled and then the next we had the meeting on octob um August 22nd the 4th Thursday inous meeting didn't you the meeting minutes for the 22nd that's supposed to be August 1st not August 11th that's got to be what did you say meeting yeah so the meeting minutes that we had in our email was the uh August 22nd so I think it's just came in today yeah the 22nd I never saw any 11 we have like I said I never had August 11th um it it's actually the 19th cuz I forgot 31 days in October okay November 9 822 me minutes that's what it's supposed to be 22 so it's just a typo on our agenda it's not a typo on the meeting minutes itself right exactly it says that on the random minutes that we good any changes deletions or additions do I have a motion to accept the um minut yes I have an addition to make um there's um the original two minutes of the meeting aren't even noted in it and I think that it should be noted so therefore I would send them back to the secretary and move them to the next meeting the the original two meetings dealing with um two minutes notification of the meeting nothing was even mentioned in the minutes about it it's because it was posted and well the conversation I want I want it posted in the meeting minutes because everybody else was emailed or notified except for I wasn't I wasn't notified either Amy you stated it that night that you were no I didn't say no I never said that I was notified I never knew about the well I would like that to be in the minutes because it's not and that doesn't reflect it didn't hurt my feelings and I get notified I found about it anyway it didn't hurt my feelings either it's just wrong did it didn't hurt my feelings sir but you can laugh but but it's not a laughing matter it's actually a motion on the floor pleasure of the board accept them or or not or what's put it off to the next meeting motion I move we take them up at the next meeting second there's a motion in a second on the floor for the minutes uh to be corrected or added to it was not there so I cannot vote okay so voting on this would be Rick Rick Mary Tom millius myself and Amy troop uh all those in favor say I I I passes unanimous so we have this to sign I think I did it correct you want to check and it's November 19 not the 20th as I stated CU I forgot to count the 31st of October Bill won Bill oh we have a bill do we have the bills I didn't see bills do one time very nice bills that's with the extens I'll make a motion to pay invoice number 2491 8712 for office supplies in the amount of $28 uh there's a motion on a second to accept the uh invoice Al those uh do I have a second second Motion in a second all those favor say I pay my I your anous and you want to sign this for the applicant we'll have the secretary scan it and send you a copy yeah what I'm sorry the one that I gave you oh CU that's my I stole it thank you thank you that go okay that's it that's all we have bills minutes all right you what'll do we put in the see you ready for a motion to um what thought I make a motion that we adjourn the meeting do I have a second all those in yes sir killing my vibe man I'm okay Ro would drive just a couple of quick questions and I've been looking at some of these sites and some of these permits as you well know but it seems to me that these contractors are taking advantage of the boards and I'm going to be sending out some pictures and Gils to all the boards showing activity that's going on on some of these sites and they haven't got that parade yet now how does this happen you can do site work it's construction you can't do okay this is my question okay you can do site work that means you can lay down black top yeah you can pave okay okay I mean they're not the the building permit is for the buildings that starts with foundation work I mean anything you do like tree cutting or whatever that's incidental that isn't covered by anything yes okay and then we have another one of our projects which was Mr we are sitting here tonight and in our first meeting with him he's building this big building with the doors on the back so he could park everything inside on black top what have you and yet now he's stacking Vehicles up on his lot and I have pictures to show that um and is that not taking advantage of doing something with what you're proposing to do before you've got your permit not necessarily but that's a building inspector question a zoning enforcement officer question I wondering if that would be one that should basically not concern the boards but really concern the enforcement the enforcement the the zoning officer all right thank you okay so we have we have we didn't vote actually not vote that's right have a motion not vote we do have a motion we have a second second all those in favor say I I I unanimous [Music]