[Music] it's 7:00 we calling to order the meeting of the town of Halifax planning board for Thursday March 21st 2024 I'm going to do something that I typically forget to do I'm going to announce the names of the members here present are Rick Murray to my extreme left to my immediate left is Bert Gainer to my right is Amy troo myself Tom milus and brenen Elliot is uh not going to be with us this evening he had other engagement we're located in the selectman's meeting room in the town hall at 499 Plymouth Street I suppose we should start with uh the agenda I'll make a motion to uh uh accept the agenda as presented do I have a second a second movement seconded to approve the agenda as presented all those in favor I I anyone opposed no we have an approval letter oh yes we we need an affirmation uh very quickly I signed as chair for the uh letter for 650 industrial street so that they could U Get it recorded uh we just need a vote to affirm the signature if I can get a motion did the letter just state that they needed to comply with the handicap SC it's exactly the way we wrote it at or exactly Verbatim what we discussed at the meeting okay did include did it include all the Halifax fofs the easements and all everything that we talked about that night at the uh there's probably a c is there a Cofe in here you have the fold I'll make a motion to uh forward the toir yes suggested as written move to affirm can I get a second second moved and seconded to affirm the letter of um 6 yeah are you looking for like a site plan number are you just no it's on file number 24 special permit 240 the letter for the from the planning board acknowledging the approval of the site plan all those in favor I I I all those opposed eyes have it moving on uh I'll be taking this a little let's go to our appointments we're going to continue the hearing for 24 special permit 241 416 R Plymouth Street valdomiro Barbosa did I say that right or even close good job propos to shed manufacturing business uh returning with an updated site plan of the entire building and or site and asked for by the planning board um I think everybody's got a copy I had occasion to speak to uh Jo Webby this office prepared the plan I mentioned that there was a couple of things I I thought needed to be added um and they were added the amount of parking spaces the designated spaces for the proposed uh use in the rear building and wanted him to acknowledge the fact that there in fact was a door now um on the uh Westerly side of the building which I believe was uh specifically for canine camp he seemed to at least make those acknowledgements nothing else has changed on the site um no that's not true there's two doors that are added to the front of the building closest to Rockland Trust that one of the doors I did note that there was another door in the front of that in the front of the building too they added two over the weekend I have pictures oh this weekend um a couple weekends ago I noticed that I noticed one door I did not notice the so they split the existing Church into at least two other um occupancies so we have to make sure that the parking is there for that as well because there's two more uses they split that large Church into the canine and then they split what's listed as existing church now into two units so we need to find out what those uses are and have the building split and then make sure the parking fits their uses they have a square footage but it but it also goes by use I I I know how it goes the restaurants middle west yeah you should have put that other door on there cuz I mentioned that too and then the two on the front as well well he did make note of the door on the side he didn't draw it in I thought there was one door on the which side the side it says door and light over the north side yeah that was for the canine camp hasn't changed any square footage but it did divide into more usage and so if that's the case so now we're taking a church and adding three and then we're adding another one out in the back cuz that was never I'll give you that we don't know if the church is still there or not it's not it was moved out over a year ago so was parking determined by squid footage of the building or usage usage I would also say that the updated plan needs to go to a site um a peer review yeah well I I disagree with that cuz there's nothing changed outside well yes there has been this entire thing has been cleared of all trees um they changed where the septic system was we're adding usages where and they've cleared out all out behind here needs to have a PE review I disagree um it's the way it goes what what do they need uh if they split where it says existing Church into two this determined parking spaces by usage what do they need per well it depends on whether it's retail restaurant professional office does a break down he didn't break it down that would have been helpful that restaurant on the end is open I saw I went out today oh you didn't yeah it is open it's open per full time or not I don't believe it is but I was told it was not like fulltime right but I don't know what the hours of operation or days of the week or anything like that but I did see a customer coming out with a cof bag today yeah it's very limited conservation also allowed for where um nzis Farm Stand uh to clear Conservation Area in that time period and there has not been any peer review on any of this and I believe that we are in agreement and the past that we needed to send everything out for peer review to be sure so we can't have um 285 Home Street going out for a peer review and not this one yeah well this is an existing site that's been in exist for a tremendously long no the other one was not existing they changed that considerably they changed the use they did here too yeah added usages add pass on everything they didn't have to do anything I didn't well I'm just saying you they give them a pass on everything I mean we've got another place that added a building up in the industrial park well we need to be consistent on everything if we're going to ask 285 um Home Street to do it then we have to also ask this or else we're opening ourselves up for our lawsuit yeah well you should know about that oh I I know about some of them huh well I'm willing to entertain any discussion on this so as far as the use goes with what the application is in front of us how many parking spaces do they need for the 2400 ft existing building in the in the rear of the parking lot it comes down to usage what do you have for employees in there just two of you right just so there's four dedicated spots for that I've never seen that parking lot even close to being full but now we're I see five now we're adding instead of having one big we're having three and then we added Nez rales and we and and again that was not my vote to add without having a pair of view we didn't have a full site plan then and they cleared a whole bunch of trees just like [Applause] 285 anything gentl I don't see anything so again how how many spaces do we need then for the uses of the of the application that's in front of us we'd have to uh fix I we'd have to do a little study on that or have him do it have Joe Do It show with five spaces Jo and right yeah as far as what he's doing yeah that fire is more than adequate do any of them have to be designate in handicap he certainly has a room to do it there are some handicap there AR there isn't a handicap one near yeah We Exist guy right yeah no no I yeah I mean didn't close proxim well we at least have to send it back for the changes and I still motion that we SED out for peer review and get a revolving fund going I don't have a problem myself personally uh just getting the updates on the plan I think at this point all a peer revieww is going to do is just cost more time and money yeah and and not get anywhere in an existing site that's been operating for a tremendous amount of well I was just going to say that was my next question well when was when was this existing building erected built it's never been rented out it was a pump house so it's adding another un was corrected it was what 20 years ago 40 years ago that thing failed didn't and wasn't it also used as a like a uh bottle return place too or something 10 years ago when kings was there that was behind where John Shay was yeah yeah the that building was erected because of the laundromat because they had to treat the water coming out of the sulfates so that that's got to go back 30 Years anyway yeah yeah I'm looking at somebody that might have a recollection other than myself so what's a sewer Reas for Tom is that for the car wash uh that's for the entire building it was actually over on um uh Country Club Way on Paul re property and then they they found a spot and moved it over and cleared all the trees personally I'm good with just updating the plan but I'm willing to listen to anybody else's comments well I think basically the three line two most of being shown behind the weapons designation there is delineated by Michelle Green in 2023 it's all within the 100 Wetlands District what's behind all the drainage bases that's all all Dre but none of them were peer reviewed I don't know the concom didn't do some of that cuz they were involved in this we could ask I thought we did have a peer review for the talking we did not and then you guys voted it in the last meeting of May before the election 2 to one and approved it without having a full sight plan he bought brought a site plan that was good enough for me at the time yeah just was pretty much the site plan that wased I I I could swear I remember brenon saying he didn't see any problem with it was never peer-reviewed yeah he was present at our meetings regarding any well even that is over and Beyond what the site Plan called for that you guys approved and it's funny because I think last year I was saying we need a full sight plan on all kind kind of different uses when we denied um well we didn't deny but we couldn't do anything with the Souza who wanted to rent out this building because you needed a site plan and then all of a sudden one day we just negated all of that when it wasn't on the agenda this was turned in no this was not turned in not peer reviewed not gone over it was just pushed through we don't want to go to push through I can give you a list of push through I can too I don't understand what you have to have peer reviewed everything you hear is all existing been been there for years yeah the building itself was preexisting prior to uh prior to uh and none of bylaw wasn't it however a peer review is not going to go and look at the he's going to look at the site plan well isn't that the same thing and I know you can't comment on 285 Home Street which is being pushed for a PE review it is huh yeah it had a peerie peer review before they just never made to do anything about it good point um you know all this drainage and everything you see and everything all pre-existing I don't understand why what care you would have to say about it the only thing we have is pocking spaces that's pretty much about it it seems like every time this property comes up for some tenant it just runs into this every single time and this is how we were going to remed it and that was the conversation at the last meeting well we got a site plan now Amy it's not peer reviewed we agreed as a board and it's not new we agreed as a board to prevent issues we would be on the same page with every single one of them which it makes sense because we can't treat one differently than the other or we're opening the town up for a lawsuit well there's no there's no change in the footprint on any of the buildings that a pre-existing uh pride of zoning and and been existing that way before which is was the same site plan not the identical one but pretty much the same setup when nuzella went in when K9 went in and and if we if we didn't require it for them I I don't see again I agree with Amy you can't do for one and not do for the other if we didn't uh require that and we felt we had enough information in front of us and information provided for by by Mr buron then I do think this is this will suffice he did not per viw it I didn't say that I said he came and gave his opinion on that you this is an added use you if you if you now rent out this building it's a completely different it's never been rented out prior [Music] ever it was a supermarket well I mean no no no the existing 2400 building has never been rented out it's never had a tenant it's never had a tenant but it had people operating the equipment it's a different thing people to people it was used it was used it wasn't vacant um it's been vacant for a while but it didn't have employees that needed to park there and it didn't have well it didn't operate itself it's within the 100 Wetlands buffer the line goes right through it well that's that's comcom has been over this um not this they haven't seen this this isn't G to concept all the drainage basin and everything within the 100 ft were looked at by concom you weren't sure a few minutes ago are you sure about that I'm sure the concom looked at it absolutely the first Ian they wouldn't have put a whole new septic system in and everything else without conservation being involved with they would have had to have been I mean that's that's a no-brainer well we're out of and they're in charge of the weapons they do and that's a a different we need to do a site plan on the things that we do on our parts of the bylaw we do a peer review we can wave things you like that you pick and choose what you like to do too Amy no I don't yeah I do want to talk about CLS excuse me okay we won I didn't wave anything there at all okay I didn't anyway I thought you didn't keep up with the p before you ran for it that was Notorious it was hard not to motion if you want go ahead I get in trouble last time I made a motion proper it's not funny this is serious yeah that was funny I'll make a motion to approve uh the application what is it 24-7 pr- 241 as presented with the uh with the following condition that the uh requested changes in the doors openings as was previously discussed be included be be included I have a motion can I get a second I'll second moved and seconded to approve the plan subject to uh updating the plan to include the doors that have been added onto the plan and I might want to add one thing to your to your motion to uh designate one of the five spots in the back for a handicap spot if required if required okay because it would be in proximity of the building as opposed to be down that's fine with me with my motion to include that is the second okay with that mhm okay moved and seconded to approve the plan subject to the addition on the plan of the location of the Ts that were added and to um include a handicap spot in the designated parking area for the custom shed business if required all those in favor we'll do a roll call Mr Murray yes Mr G yes Mr TR no M milus yes approved moving on just got to get put those other couple of things on the plan did you understand what we were going with yes so you guys the inap parking space if needed if needed and the second door added to the assign yeah the whatever how many doors I I thought there was only two added but maybe there's three no just something very quick are you talking about my building or one front oh the front build so it has nothing to do with my building I get no okay other than the handicap spot okay okay yeah okay so we good yeah yep as soon as we get that plan from uh from the engineer no problem uh am I taking those or need there well they're part of the application yeah no we're going to keep these actually we don't need all them need all them they need to be updated I'll call them up tomorrow a couple back and we'll keep a couple all set so we're good thank you guys thank you very much wish everybody a wonderful night good luck moving on 24 special permit 242 266 Monon Street JBE civil in with fund development site plan review for proposed Senior Housing Development okay uh good evening my name is ly gon president of Thor development here with my partner David E and our engineer gr drisol from JB engineering um what we are hoping to accomplish the evening is to introdu reintroduce you to the project um and answer any questions that you might have uh for your benefit and the anyone watching at home as well just very briefly recap how we got to where we are and um how we uh believe that we would propose to move forward um as I believe everyone is aware um the this is the result of a town meeting vote that occurred in December uh which established an overlay zoning District that is coincident with what's shown in the uh colored green here it comprises two separate pieces of land uh 266 mon ponset which is the application that we've made to you uh that we're discussing this evening and 265 the larger parcel which we expect to be filing with the board in about a month um the uh 266 is comprised of a 30 unit three story elevated building on 265 uh there are two 36 unit uh buildings both three stories and as I as we have discussed at town meeting and in the past in addition to the senior housing being proposed um there is also a requirement based on Town meting vote that we will deed this parcel of land to the town uh which is designated for the new home for a senior center there's also an obligation on our part to build uh these pickle ball courts um which will be improved by us and then deed to the town um as well all of this is captured in a master development agreement which uh was voted at town meeting and has since been signed by us as well as the selectman um and provide provides the if you will the uh framework for uh what's before you this evening the uh Master the excuse me the uh town meeting vote in addition to establishing an overlay zoning District also established in some cases a different zoning Bulan dimensional requirements um and that's what allows us to go forward with the plan that you see uh before you this evening um our hope and expectation is that the board will um designate a peer review engineer this evening or whatever your normal procedure is um and that the plans that um we submitted to you we would expect would be uh provided to the engineer uh who will work with Greg um and it's that peer review engineer who is probably most best I should say best suited to walk through the overlay zoning and the change in the bulk and dimensional requirements and confirm for you that these plans are consistent with those new requirements so rather than walking through those this evening um our goal and although we'll answer whatever questions you might have was to provide you with an overview instead um with as I said the expectation that the be appear review um so with that as an introduction I'm going to turn it over to Dave East who'll give you a little more detail and then we'll be happy to answer any questions uh good evening D St de development so this is just kind of a zoom in of the uh uh 266 uh building area so as you can see there are two entrances to the site one just kind of south of the plaza entrance this is a oneway exit uh this is both an entrance and an exit here there'll be a crosswalk um installed with all the appropriate signage um so that you can get from 266 across the street to a senior Center 265 and the pickle ball courts um as mentioned 30 unit uh building three stories 10 units on a floor elevator uh there'll be uh entrances on both sides of the building uh this is a freestanding um garage building so there'll be 12 individual garage spaces in that building all of the kind of individual garage doors that you would see you know on a single family home um so as a reminder uh this is a senior U housing overlay District so this community is for um those uh 80% of them have to be sold to those that are 55 or older and there are no school age children uh allowed in the building so in the 80% at all at all at all so no school aged children at all and then of there has to be at least one owner um over 55 and 80% of the units So 20% in theory you could have someone who's 50 that that owns you know under % um this is a acre and a half site um and as uh L mentioned we're not going to get into the kind of the details of the Bulan dimensional one um bu Bulan dimensional um restrictions um but this uh you know we believe that this does comply with all the Bulan dimensional uh requirements uh within the new overlay District so we're not asking for any additional waivers or variances um in terms of a uh a mix uh this building will have 12 one-bedroom units and 18 two bedroom units um in terms of parking um there are uh a total of um two spaces per unit uh which is also included in the bul and dimensional uh table and uh in this case I wanted to note that 13 of the spaces that are within that calculation are located across the street in this area right here and again that's allowed um as how many I'm sorry 13 parking spaces that are located here and uh so that's part of the total that makes up uh two spaces per unit um in this area over here we have about 1.6 spaces per unit and we find that for um an active adult community with this mix of one bedrooms and two bedrooms sometimes we're in the actual 1.3 1.4 range of what will actually get used so we believe that um this will really be gas parking in terms of practical uh practical use of that um in terms of let's see um in terms of grading just general description um this building will sit a few feet above the road a couple feet over here probably about 5T over here as this um M Pon Street Goes Down And as it goes from north to south um these entrances will both kind of ramp up so that this parking level is on grade with the with the first floor here and obviously the garages have to be on grade with this parking lot so this parking lot sits a few feet above mon ponet Street um this area here um so this plan is actually exactly what you saw for 266 like 2 years ago um it really hasn't really hasn't changed at all the only thing that that's changed is that this area um we were putting a detention Basin in this area we're now going to put our leeching Fields here and the storm water detention the primary area is going to go underneath this parking lot so that basically opens up this back area for use you know as a uh you know an active lawn you know if if you will um as opposed to it being you know sunk in detention Basin that would um really couldn't be uh used as an amenity at all um so as I mentioned the main kind of storm water is located under this parking area all Underground this collects um all of this Paving here all the roof run off from this building um as I said these two areas slop down to the street so there's a couple of catch basins kind of located here and here and a couple of small little basins here and here they kind of catch the that little bit of runoff that um is directed towards the street um that's really it in terms of a you know an overview um in terms of the dimensions and uh what's in the build building and uh and the like you know I realize that you are kind of being presented with almost a whole new zoning bylaw if you will as it applies to this site but we figur we would start kind of at a high level and then uh respond to any questions you want have will we have the question yes I have a question this just basic to even start out question number one is bottom line there there's been plenty of things being posted uh written Facebook on social media and even a video that that went out just to make sure that we have it on record these are three stories correct then there's no four stories I mean it was presented to the public that one or or multiple buildings were going to be four stories and that's certainly not the case these are the application chose three thre story buildings correct this this is again we've we've consistent this is excuse me this is representative architecture I'm pretty sure those were the pictures jump start you know and so nothing's been presented before nothing's been changed altered or even since then of always been presented as three stories that's correct okay so there was misinformation being put out about the the relationships these are 10 units per floor 30 units three floors these are 12 units per floor three floors 36 units and you can see these buildings are slightly longer basically one unit longer than uh than the one on 266 so these will have 36 units each and this will have uh 30 units so it's not like there never was an extra story put on building number one there because of the because of the uh the size shape of the lot that's it's always been yes three stories correct can I ask have we perked for the septic system is is that it given are we sure if that's where it's going or is there so we we've perked 2/3 of the lot but we still want to do some additional perks in the rear here so um we perked close to it but we need uh probably two more um in order to make our submission to the Board of Health two more two more what yeah so we're planning on doing that over the next couple weeks honestly it's been really wet couple months so um uh hopefully we'll get a good window in the next few weeks and do those additional perk tests and that data will be included as part of the submission to the Board of Health which will be you know probably the primary board that focuses on the on the leaching field can I um just ask the mon ponon Street there is the layout 50 ft there uh I I believe it is yeah you you might have plan the reason actually our next your next agenda item the for a plan like shows it on that plan cuz that's the kind of detail let's see if I can pull it out here the reason I asked is cuz there's been much commentary about the fact that it's sighted 20 ft from the property line which isn't aesthetically maybe not as bad as it sounds uh depending on where if there's a I don't recall if there's a sidewalk on this side there was definitely a sidewalk on this so there's uh it's 50 ft in that area okay it's not consistent all the length of mon ponset street but in this area we have a dimension right here that's 50 ft it looks consistent across there so um the paved area is probably somewhere around 24 ft maybe uh probably a little bit wider than that 26ish 26ish yeah so so you have you know a good um you know 7 ft you know on on each side from the gutter line to the property line so visually that gets added well that's what I was getting at aesthetically it's going to look further back it might otherwise sound so it'll you know our buildings that you know I've looked at that one specifically so our buildings are set just a little over 20 ft about 21 ft CH 21 28 is in terms of from the line there those two rear doors that go out there on the walkway they go out onto a sidewalk yeah so there's he's coming up with the oh no that's for across the street yeah there's a there's a sidewalk that's going to run all the way down here here it's kind of it's shown here it's kind of light cuz it's inside the right way it's right along the curve line here same that's going to be a continuous sidewalk that runs and there's a sidewalk that's in front of the plot same thing on the east side of mon Pon so this one here so this so this one we're not planning on having a sidewalk that runs continuously up this side um this was something that in in preparation for this meeting and looking at the master development Improvement there's a commitment to make a sidewalk basically from the site up to 106 so we're going to we're going to have that um by having this sidewalk run continuously up um there was also discussion that didn't seem to make it in the agreement but we were still committed to to run a sidewalk from here um down to the uh housing authority to the south of us I do recall that being said yeah intend to do I thought I thought it was going to be in it didn't show up in the agreement but we're I'm standing here committing to do that because that was discussed and it's actually showing on this exhibit this kind of light area there so we're going to build a sidewalk all along here we're going to build a sidewalk all along here and it's going to stop at the crosswalk is that right um this side will yes stop at actually stop in the sidewalk that goes into 265 which is pretty much the same spot as the crosswalk um and then this sidewalk will run all the way up to here and there's an existing sidewalk in front of the plaza so these folks that live here instead of walking which I saw two people today walking and staying on this Edge and kind of on the balance beam right along here they'll be able to go use this crosswalk and continue up 224 on that 266 where is that going with the um peach trees on now correct yeah so we we demoed that house um you know probably a couple months ago now that the main house was located right about here the little Farm Stand was over here and those kind of dilapidated garages were located in this area just to give you a reference actually into this now right right now I'm concerned about the runoff and whatnot are they going to put a retention pond in there of some sort or you want yeah you you really need to address the board so we can get an answer that's okay that's that's Yeah question y sure so um uh I might turn to gray for the details on this one but um uh essentially there's a hydrology study that gets done for the property and it Compares uh the exist existing conditions today with the proposed conditions after we built this and it Compares how much runoff is going to occur at different points of analysis kind of here here um and uh uh Compares it for different storm events a 2-year storm a 5year storm 10 25 100 Etc and in this case all of our uh all the runoff for each storm event gets reduced so what ever is going off the property and any one of these points of analysis is is actually reduced so in terms of your specific question on the basins so there's you're not going to see much in terms of big you know pits that look like the tension basins out there underneath the parking here there's a um large system that has these arched um basically polyethylene uh chambers that run from here to here and about I don't know 40 ft wide or so um surrounded by crushed stone so that's that's the main storm water feature on the site and all the roof all the roof runoff and the the paving runoff from this area is directed to that there you'll see small little detention basins kind of here and here that capture a little bit of lawn area and a little bit of Paving area here and here so those are the only things that you'll kind of notice on the surface the rest of it is all Underground my my problem is is a French drain to take the water away are they going to overloaded in the in the um they put a set of pipes from the French drain over to the retention pond in the um golf course so the the water trucks through but when we bought the house the um willow tree were out there and they C that uh Orangeburg pipe and now I got two two days into this house in 6 in of water and and out of what came to um they they had a head-on collision um in fact it was March 1st and uh they had a head on collision and I wound up getting sued and insurance and all that pay part of it and I got to pay for the rest of the so I'm concerned about putting water across run it across the road or whatever and I'm concerned about where's this water going to go now after you get through building something sure well this is this is something that typically you know if the board um sees fit they would engage with a peer review consultant typically another civil engineer that they choose ises we fund that look specifically at that at that type of thing there's a nice thick report um that Greg generated and submitted as part of this application that that talks specifically to all those items so that's usually how it gets better so you don't have to take our word for it that'll be typically uh third party review and and we would have whoever that engineer is come to the board and present his findings and explain whatever issues or non-issues so we will we will take note and make sure that we're addressing that Alia 340 P Street okay so now that structure there is huge okay you have all the drainage you have the septic now you have lot line to lot line everything is squeezed in there look at that little thing over there the uh Community Center why can't that big monstrosity go back over there where it originally was on the first plan I mean that will look like Brockton in 10 years right along 58 it's going to look terrible I mean I know it's probably the final figure and everybody signed off on it but that is going to look like a dump um that's a legit legate question could that fit on that site um well well one we've never shown the senior center the senior centers uh you excuse me I'm sorry that big one was over the other side on the original plan I wish I had on see if we can get some clarification so at this point um the zoning the town meeting vote uh that established the Zoning for the two Parcels of land and the master development agreement that was approved at town meeting specifies specifically where the buildings will go what the site plan will look like and this is the plan that we're obligated to build um other things were looked at when we were looking at a 40b 230 unit Apartment project which is what I believe this gentleman is referring to when there were in fact more buildings on this side um but that that's not the plan that went forward to town meeting this is a senior housing community and this is specifically uh what has been agreed to and we're following through on that commitment any chance building one can go Westbound at all no you got 21 ft to the property line and there's no room to move it back at all no there's not this is where the building needed to go um we will prepare and we're in the process of preparing more detailed three-dimensional modeling so you can better understand the relationship of the building to the street um but these relationships and distances are distances that we've worked with many times before um what we're trying to do is create a a streetcape that engages the building with the with the outdoor spaces we're not trying to create a Suburban setting here in which the building is is set far back and so this will be heavily landscaped uh extremely attractive um and but we will provide you with um three-dimensional modeling uh at our next meeting will the garages always there yes building I don't we call the garage yes they they put it in there with a shoe horn there really is no room how many were there there 12 12 now those full garages or are they just uh 12 by 22 I mean three sided or four Sid full G yeah yeah this is this is one building all enclosed 12 individual garage I know if it was just like a so when you're saying you're climbing up from on Pon Street like you said like 5T yeah it's how's that garage that close to lot line going to be the same grade as a parking lot um this I've actually um spoken with the ab but here a few times so we're working through the details of landscaping that will hopefully um again so that GAR you know the garage will be way above the existing grade yes it'll be about 5 ft above that's correct and it's like what 10 ft from the lot line 5T uh it it varies but it's less than 10 ft yeah so we have to do a retainer wall uh not a separate well basically you'll pour basically to pour a taller foundation so you'll pour like a a you know a 9 foot wall basically and that'll serve as the foundation and as a retaining wall kind of good and then we've uh as part of the master development agreement there's some let's call it basic uh landscape commitments that were included in that and um so there's a number of uh screening plants that go along this Edge there's 13 junipers that are required along here some other screening related to 265 those are pretty let's call minimal we're going to do far more than that but we sub a more detailed plan to the to the butter um spoke with them a couple times over this past week and I'm going to meet with them next week to kind of go over the nitty-gritty as to what he's going to see cuz we recognize that it's that you know it's right there shielded outdo lights on the back line yes no no all dark sky stuff and in this case here the only lights will be um uh mounted on the garages you know pointing that way so um nothing's going in this direction there's going to be a light pull here but again all all ducks got complied can I ask why we don't have a site plan that has dimensions on it that it's part of the full engineering set that was submitted yeah soing around was the anr yeah so there's full roll 13 13 Sheets and it has a your typical dimensional table of required and provid I actually printed out the uh the setback requirements today looking at them again the 20 foot set is and then the accessory buildings is little 5one maintain I I assume well I'll let you answer the question um yes there there will be uh condominium associations and typically the uh structure that of that is they'll have five trustees that get elected by the unit owners and their you know Judiciary obligation to maintain property that get taken over at what point at what percentage of typically at 75% 75% and um yeah so that that would be the timing of it going from DEC developer control to unit owner control anybody would like to see that come and and the good thing about a community of this size is that there's a substantial budget that goes along with it um with collection of all the fees so it's not you're not relying on two or three people to maintain the property um and again if you look at any of our uh existing communities they are uh extremely well maintained especially with Landscaping the key is reserve funds where everybody tends to dip into the Reserve I start them high so I'm the one who who creates the condomini budgets and you're required to do 10% usually s um just for that very reason and I don't want to be accused of you know um giving a false budget um all right when you drive down on Pon Street and you look to the left talking going south on it seems to be a lot of junk in that area they put the rubbish barrels out the rubbish company doesn't empty them so that the stuff gets blown around and whatnot and that's another concern you know B made mention of another town it's going to look like that it already looks like that at times nobody goes by to pick it up or clean it up what's on the road I would imagine Highway would be responsible for but on your property I I don't know that can't say that I've um I I don't I I'm not aware of any current trash barels that are out for either of our projects there were this looked like a disaster for a long time we have the real thing trash yeah the trash is there be blows from the blows out of the barrel my barrle out somebody be saying hey I'll that up I agre we have no issue sending people to freshener of yeah we're looking forward to it I mean inside this has been dumping ground for a years so um it's it's you know I'm I'm excited about getting all the mattresses and things like that the tire is off the property even even that site still has a lot of debris sitting on it bricks and whatnot sure you know in motorcycles or scooters if it doesn't work get another one and leave that one yeah yeah so the uh parking lot in the back it's permeable surface that'll allow for the water to go through it no it's um it has catch basins and the uh the runoff is directed to the uh subsurface uh infiltration system uh viewa the drop pipes and you mentioned one and two bedroom units yes there's no threes correct how many one and two-bedroom units are there uh there are 12 one bedrooms and 18 two bedrooms within the master development agreement um it mentions kind of the um a reference point on the bedroom count for the the combined project so we are um complying with that um and that actually allows for a number of three bedroom units but we we don't have any termin plan I just want to give him one a chance in the front of that building because it's close front car seven rose with front of that building I had suggested at one of our other meetings that if you look at the giant aror Bitties that are down near the veterans the a uh vettiner building there his property h tall those grow and I said even though they're talking here about Landscaping in front of this building what you're really seeing it's just like driving by this wall right here all you're seeing is building if you've got a bunch of sparsely put up trees and what have you if you plant Giant arities in there which I recommend with another these grow to be 52 ft High you plant them 10 ft apart you don't have to prune them you don't have to nothing there's no acorns there's no needles they just grow and they're also a sound area for the people that live in this complex from the noise of the people driving up and down and I had recommended putting in join our bodies in front of this building back off the street a little bit so when you pull out of these driveways your vision isn't impaired looking North and South uh and I think that that should be part of the agreement with this project that this type of buffer be put in there and any other part of this project that is not a good view for the neighbor consider using these giant Arbor vites whether it's to block off the view of the garage or any other out building that might be visible from all around the world this is a senior project in there these people are going to pay good money for these condos they want the Privacy they're not moving in there for the motorcycle gang or the kids on the bicycles or the Scooters or anything else they're moving in there because they want privacy and adult living so therefore placing this type of growth around that building and around on both sides of the road in certain areas would be beneficial to that project and to the town I okay thank you I think you've addressed the Landscaping in the in the plan correctly well we when we come back three-dimensional rendering for the building will include the full Landscaping plan as well so I we can discuss it at that yeah I I think that's the best approach is um let's let's put the full picture in there the trees the shrubs will all be rendered to scale at at the size that they will be planted at not the size they'll be in 25 years um so you'll get um a really good picture as to what it will look like from different angles driving down the street you know that that type of thing that makes sense I see the rendering see that and then react to it yeah um once those storm drains are full and under the parking lot is full where's all this water going to go well the design for the 100e storm well I mean we've all seen some pretty good storms around here and you yeah I mean you you design things you engineer them for a particular storm we're going to follow you know the storm water handbook and design it to what you're supposed to design it for that's I mean you can none of none of it's going to go back towards 50 58 um course I don't I'm not going to get into kind of all all the details of all the exact design points and the and the storms I would say let's let's have the let's the per take a look at it you know that's their he's the person who should be grilling at yeah and then you know they'll come to the meeting and uh you know you can ask the questions of let's say the neutral party okay unless somebody else has a question I think we should uh probably settle on a review engine here and the uh requisite deposit for the revolving fund to well I definitely have a few more questions um there all our models which is when you have observation holes and you have models that's the first site of water correct like sign yeah yes so when you do in a per and you see modeling modeling that's the first signs of like water table corre seasonal high water okay most of this spot or the historical yeah high water yeah you know most of this lot the water table is at Less Than 3 ft except for two holes um we're going to do our part test and I think we'll just let the engineers this is all engineering with you that's fine but I'm asking because I think that it's a thing to ask about we need to talk about all these things exactly and that's when we get the engineering well I I have I have questions now Tom no that's fine I don't any questions I'm not going to stop you from asking I'm just saying we're not going to get a lot of answers until we have our review I'm asking questions CU I think we just talked about a couple of things he answered we have models we have water we got a couple of perks here they said they have to get more of course so that's all there is to it and all the models do is determine the seasonal high water table and that'll just determine what the height of the everything has to be right pretty much what it comes down to yeah and the the good thing about this again I'm not going to go into the detail sorry no please continue I I'll respond to questions I got easy which building is going to have the kids in you said no kids but with you one two so no kids nowhere no kids nowhere correct so senior housing based on federal law allows us to right into the condominium documents that no children under the age of 18 are permitted to reside here permanently and that we committed as part of the master development agreement and in fact every senior community we've ever built has that restriction in it so none of these homes your your your children or your grandchildren can visit but they can't reside their per what about the 20% that are not over 55 that applies to the owners but they still cannot have children living there permanently do you remember hearing from a Mass Housing person at one of your um one of your uh presentations prior to the town meeting and stating that it was against Federal HUD law it's not against Federal HUD law okay yeah but it is well I've been doing this 40 years we've built a dozen of these communities we we've in every case done what I've just said I'm intimately familiar with the law and I I would suggest that you recheck facts on that well I'm telling you what a Mass Housing person said it it is permitted for a senior housing community so that's what you should go back to that person and ask them again it's been a lot of misinformation being thrown out there yeah to say the least it's good to have these hearings that um I guess the next uh thing to do is to uh designate a peer review engineer um myself personally I'm comfortable with Pat P brenon I think we should use somebody different I think we should use uh Outback Engineering in Middle Barrow where have they worked before they work all over and I just think that it would be good to have a set up kind um tons of projects all okay I'm just thinking that we should have a peir review that is looking at it with um a company and not and not just one person so two per so two Engineers you're saying well even even a company typically assigns it to one person but a company team is there I'm thinking that we should go to OPAC engineering I or something different I'm comfortable with that myself I personally see a huge advantage to a peer review engineer that's quite familiar with Halifax and in its layout and its dimensions and and never heard a complaint against this gentleman either I think he I personally think he's very thorough very efficient and and very responsive very yes if you have a question you can get a hold of him you he gets back to you uh I don't know I'm more than satisfied with with Mr not not well I'd entertain a motion I'll make a motion uh that we retain U Pat Brennan as the uh engineer the review engineer the peer revie engine yes on second we going to set up a revolving account yes yes we'll do that after uh it's been moved and seconded to um to employ C Bron I forget the name of his firm is it pgb pgb that's what it is he was yeah not he's not with his company anymore yeah he was with any before yeah um to uh retain him for the uh peer review U for this site um all those in favor request a v call yes Mr yes Mr gner yes this true no Mr Milas yes 3 to one uh we are going to uh entain Mr bran to do our peer review now we need to come up with a figure somebody help me here historically what have we done on initial deposits oh three I'm thinking that it's probably going to be a little bit more than that three I would think so back I think we should start with 10,000 I think that's because I they'll get they'll get back what they need it's 30 unit there's a whole we need we need to protect the town I think you're being punitive I'm not and I think you're grand standing to be honest with you I'd be happy with five grand that sound reasonable if if it starts to creep up we can go back I mean if I if I could suggest um we're happy to put 5,000 in and if you want to ask him for an estimate of his work and it's and it's more than that we can supplement that immediately thank you that's fair yeah that's fair I think I'll make a motion then that we open revolving account at $5,000 in based on uh a reasonable estimate to increase it if it's necessary I'll second that okay mov in second to open the account with $5,000 from thnik development all those in favor unanimous done for tonight done with this one yes thank you very much um one one question the chair um in terms of uh timing for next hearing would you think um a month from now to you had time to he yeah we probably should set another day yeah uh yeah last Mee I don't know the last meeting in April is even we can ask for an extension if not of course put it for the first one in May time we um we would prefer to the end of April and if you need an extension C but if he's ready for that if it can be done great if we have to put it up that be the 18 okay there's awful lot of effort here I go again there's an awful lot of effort keeping this on that side what is the big deal to put that over the other side I me what is what is the big deal I mean is it that much of a deal I mean what would be more pleasant to everybody in town to drive up and see the senior C on the right hand side than to have that monstrosity 20 ft off the road I mean is it is it that much of a big deal I mean before well we have to get that plan read I mean everybody Grant granted everybody agreed to it but is it that much of a big deal to put that building over the other side you have a lot more room and probably a lot less effort was there some rationale to it all is there going to be 60 pocket LS on that Senor set up no there isn't at this point we are we we have we're moving forward with the plan that's been approved I I can't comment one way or the other without studying it whether we think it that how that plan would lay out but all I can say to you is that at this point with the town meeting approval and the MDA signed and the plans drawn we intend to move forward with this layout and we're not it's just we're not entertaining any change um to it has the state approved the bylaw yet that is pending you'll have to check the Town Administrator for the status on that my my understanding is it's imminent I don't words it's going to be held you're going to hold them responsible to what they' signed or what they well the state still the Attorney General still has to approve the um overlay District right that has not been appr just it just seems like there's an awful lot of effort to put that over there when you could put that little tiny building over there with a lot less of it can I also ask why you're going to start building on um the West instead of the East um we felt that the uh moving forward establishing that edge can I can I just interrupt for a second we have a motion on the floor in a second it was for the for the for the amount of money yes it was we did just in discussion okay I I just want to be sure we passed that I couldn't remember so again um we felt that establishing we're we're 266 is a single building with its improvements that we could completely finish and be establish the edge so that as people drove up they would see a completed product that it made sense to start on this side we also feel that the the views from the rear of the building looking out over the golf course will be very appealing and so it made sense to us to start here and finally this is the smaller building which from a financing standpoint um is a little bit easier to uh to digest and so for those reasons we wanted to start on this side it was to be honest with you a flip of the coin it's not as though we felt very strongly about this but as we worked through it from a marketing standpoint we felt we were better off establishing this as a completed product the people could be see finished um cuz as we move over here there'll be a lot more construction how does that affect the Senior Center progress yes so you're still waiting for that building and the other two before you no no the we would the the senior center we're obligated after the first 36 um closings to provide a bond or a letter of credit for the last the next 36 and it's once that first 36 those first 36 units have closed that the senior you're looking at two buildings then cuz that's only 30 we're we're going to we're going to suggest to the um to the selectman and to the uh and to Cody that we truncate uh from 72 to 66 units so that they will increase the payment per unit so that the the spirit of what was approved Remains the Same so in other words the 30 unit building plus the 36 unit building uh will fully cover fully fund the um it's a little more of a financial burden on us but not significant change good question that was anything else okay okay so we we didn't set a date at so the 18th April 18th I'm going to and then we will adjust as needed of course thank you very much great thanks we have a Form application next up oh you like to present sure all right so this is for the property across the street 265 on conss um the property this is the entire property currently today uh we're proposing to um new property line here and this will be remaining land um this we cut off this lot here for the pickle ball courts and then this lot for the one for the senior center so that's kind of The Proposal I so this is consistent with the master development agreement um we uh need to do this obviously prior to conveying either um lot one or lot three uh to the town and the um the large parcel to the right at the 12.48 cers that's um uh We've committed for a uh conservation restriction um on that on that parcel so this will to the right parcel a will end up being um have a conservation restriction on it and there's the main parcel for the uh other two buildings the 72 units pickle ball courts and the senior center the pickle ball court [Music] such seems pretty straight forward they like to say nothing to see here yeah [Music] really I just curious why pickle ball qutes uh it's kind of the trend you know uh at the moment we'll see see how long it lasts like R there are people remember I still have my R oh yeah me too there are people who think it will last generations and others who think it'll fade over the next much people across the street start shooting at because they can't take the noise anymore that's morning in my conversations with the p I've heard comments from other towns where people are just losing their mind because it's was it Brock they put in that they put the curtain type thing the Dead the noise I think it was Brock softer paddles like ping pong paddles the thick soft ones not as some kind of spongy curtain they put up on the fences yeah e put up some pickle ball courts and they right next to somebody's house and somebody in the town all the time I left you think they're going to be like that's going to make it appealing to the to the uh yeah and again it's also it's open to town residents yeah you know there's a full on parking lot um you know as part of the senior center and uh yeah so this is this is an exclusive to be clear this is an exclusive to it could be changed to something else if that became the same size as ten yeah what build it as pickle ball courts and then the town will own it at that point it'll be up to you as to how you know so once the town owns it the town has to maintain it too yep that is going which then on that 130 ft of Frontage leaves us with nothing to do to recuperate anything if need be we have to be future thought this is this is the town resident that we represent I'm sorry I'm against the town residence is that what we're saying here I'm saying that we have to think about it that's what our job is time will tell so laugh all you want just honest now I'm laughing straight form usually the diameter will touch the street and um it's not a buildable lot well what about on lot one it doesn't have t the enger supp cares I see an issue I don't see any issue I'm still going to uh continue on the fact that isn't an accepted law by the state yet so this isn't full so we should think of that and maybe have it updated and push it off to the next meeting so that it can be properly drawn up the form a has nothing to do with the bylaw well it will be detrimental to them if the bylaw doesn't go through that they won't have well then it doesn't go through period then it doesn't go through period Well my then it is it's recorded at the registry of deeds that's their loss not ours the town ends up with a lot you don't want the town to end up with something I'm just looking out for the town on all angles disc how does that hurt the town to end discussing everything because that's what should be done I'm just asking you the question how does it hurt the town if we end up owning a lot we'll see you want my house that's me that's you all right so you need to be able so everyone can hear this I'm sorry I just wanted to know where my house is in relationship to everything else do do do you mind I tell you we're getting close to actually ending the meeting would you guys mind asking answering some few questions for this gentlemen at the close of the why can't we talk about them right now he wants to talk about them and maybe it'll be something that the town wants to hear I just want to feel easy about what what's going on around me that's all I'm not going to stop we don't need to stop the meeting if you have questions I believe that they should be asked is it is it a question regarding the form aami he has a question I don't know what the question is I don't believe it's regarding the form see here where his house was do if I got to pick up the yes so could you just point to the lot where the gentleman's there where your house is right there thank you very much appreciate it thank thanks you're welcome thank motion make a motion to uh proove the form a proove the form a as show on the 2651 con is that it 24a 243 by jbd civil Inc for thorn does it have to be subject to board approval approval or is it just like you said just the form that's all they own the property and they're deing it to they're subdivided out to to D but they can they can form a their own property I'll second his motion then movement seconded to approve the for a as presented any more discussion all those in favor roll call vote Mr Mary yes Mr Gan yes Mr troop approval is not required yes correct myself yes [Music] yeah we do have minutes manys of 21st what [Applause] 21st if you want to um I don't have eight cars on but one outside and u and you get a full picture this is kind of blank you know what I mean in terms of what's is across the street it right now yeah yeah we're going to talk to we' been talking with this about he's got a couple of um his shed L like [Music] that I don't think he sold this proper yeah he he originally owned this and then sold it for this and now we're pretty much not we all good we all good we all good we're all good uh I think it's you future guys on the top one on this one right thank you so thank you for your [Applause] help you want me to roll this if you don't mind [Applause] yeah thank give the magic elastic oh the elastic yep I have it thank you very much all right thank you very much thank you thank you what else do we have do you need two copies of that sign um I don't think so um no no I don't think so I think it's just the one that's what we did last time there's another copy in here that's why I don't know why they have why they send that many copies I don't even need all of them they're probably just copying the amount of plans they have uh the only thing left is uh meeting minutes from March 7th 2024 I'll make a motion to me uh approve the meeting minutes as written I'll second that I didn't find any any changes to leashes or anything on it move been seconded to approve the minutes of March 7th 2024 all those in favor I I all those opposed unanimous the only other item was some mail and correspondence from penber planning board a site plan for public hearing notice Bridgewater planning board a special permit decision middle planning board notice and public hearing anybody wants to read those they will be available the next schedule meeting is April 4th 2024 do you want uh anything in a motion to accept the community the correspondence from me town I don't think we need to all righty um I'll make a motion to adjourn that's the motion I'll second that moved and seconded to adjourn all those in favor I I unanimous I'm not even going to ask for no V [Music] wonderful [Music]