##VIDEO ID:lpiiZR9anCs## thank you all for coming this evening this is our fourth Community Forum about the Hamilton wam elementary school project uh we continue to gain and learn more through this process and refine our numbers refine the designs um so this this will give a kind of the next iteration of the updates as we've been moving through this process with the msba my name is Eric Tracy I am the superintendent of schools for those of you who don't know me um I will kick this off and we will go through a a slide presentation and I'll hand the mic off to various members of the team that are here this evening representing the Architects and designers and uh also our owners project manager and then what we'll do is take questions at the end if you don't mind so we'll we'll go through a presentation and jump right into questions as we did towards the end we can we continue to show this slide at every single meeting because we want to really go back all the way to the beginning when our visioning teams met visioning team met a number of times think five or six there were about 60 people over on average uh involved in this process to really Drive how we wanted to uh look at this new educational space The Guiding principles were the center of the conversations along with our our kind of goals that were set in as we built the the basic outline and design on literally on poster paper in a room with people from the school district the community businesses the architect team the OPM group um really did a lot of work to dig into what's new and exciting in education how things are changing how things are growing and some of our gu principles really uh connect with uh sense of belonging right in the middle of everything and really leading into equity and Equity from the perspective of giving uh all kids in grades 1 through 5 access to the same opportunities in their building right now uh if you don't know if you're not aware we have three elementary schools and depending on what type of a program your child needs depends really on what school we go to uh not necessarily uh neighborhood schools but if if you uh have a specialized program your child has a specialized program they were probably going to a school like the win School even if you live in the CER neighborhood uh because we are small our our programs are small also we try to centralize them in different schools if your kids are in the language based program or in the uh English language Learners program the language Bas program would be at the hmer school and the English language program would specifically be at the duer school so kids move around our district based on the needs that they have and in a school like this these needs all come to one place and they all are together with their peers all the time bring the inside out and the outside in is part of the design of this and really trying to figure out ways to use the building as a learning tool having some a lot of glass a lot of open space so that kids can um be able to move in and out there are there are Terraces built in near our stem Labs uh so the kids can go in and out to indoor and outdoor activities um and then also looking at being flexible with our learning spaces school is not what it used to be 50 years ago school has changed dramatically for our children our children are very different I've been here 14 years and the kids that were here 14 years ago are not the same as the kids that we have now and the kids that we have now have had to deal with a little something in between known as the pandemic which really made education different for them part of our being flexible is really giving kids the opportunity to stay with their peers to keep that sense of belonging but have the flexibility built in and you'll see through the ples it will show you to give kids interventions in the same space that they're getting their academic work and give kids the opportunity to be with their peers more often than not in many of our schools if you go into the buer school for example and your child needs intervention help they're in the hallway with the teacher assistant because there's no other place to put them if your child needs intervention or specialized services at the winr school they are on the stage if you go into the winr school the stage is a classroom um those typ of things are are things that we wrestle with each day in our schools and we continue to look at at our our new design to incorporate all the things that we find that we need along the way kids aren't sitting in rows they're not sitting in rows and desks uh there are all kinds of different chairs and seating and furniture and locations and education happens both inside the classroom and outside the classroom I think that's an important piece of how schools have changed and yet the pandemic opened that door up a little bit for us where we had remote learning and then we had learning outside for you I was the high school principal and there were tents all around the outside of this building and we did it we made it work wasn't fun all the time especially in the winter time but the the opportunities were there to grow and learn so we tried to take those opportunities and that growth of and learning and build this into the school so that we had these opportunities for kids every single day we think about safety safety is is really a number one priority for me for our littlest Learners when you go into our elementary schools you're in the elementary school there's no no weight them no foyer blocking you no transition space every single one of our elementary schools if you go to the Cutler and you are buzzed in you in the lobby and you need to go around the corner and around the corner to get to the main office that is not a secure facility winr you buzzed in you walked in you are in the cafeteria and have access to any anywhere in the facility buer pretty much the same thing those are things that we need to solve and this this building gives us an opportunity to build new security opportunities for our kids and our staff helps us to lock down in different ways helps us to uh use the building as a tool for safety depending on types of materials that we use um places we locate doors that will slide with a push button uh that will slide shut and and cording off certain of the building really helps us to make the the uh place of learning safe for kids and our staff intergenerational opportunities we tried to build this so there were lots of community uh spaces and when you walk into this building you immediately see the library there's a conference room that could be used by the public there's a huge cafeteria and a gym all right there in that initial space when you walk in and you'll see this in the plan is purposefully designed so that when you walk in all the community spaces are in one spot and as I go back to safety the building can also be closed off where it needs to be so that the community can come in and use their things and then uh the other spaces where kids are are learning during the day are coed off and don't need to be accessed creating Community one of the things I've said since I'm done here is the schools are really the glue that communities because we have so many connections with the community we do things with our coas we do things with our churches we do things with our Scout groups we do things with uh internships at the fire department in the police station we have Community opportunities for our kids with people coming in experts coming in and teaching our kids something that they do for a living maybe we're talking to them about uh career aspirations we have lots of opportunities for our kids to go out and meet with people one of the the best examples one of my favorite is Seniors Helping Seniors where our seniors at the end of their senior year go out and work with our seniors in the in the districts within the Two Towns to do small jobs during one whole day that people otherwise can't do themselves and sometimes that's raking leads and sometimes that's moving you know air conditioners in and out of their their windows so lots of opportunities for Community connections with our kids and have schools so we wanted to keep that with this facility so that the community can still use the facility still access the facility you know we have a number of groups that access our gyms across all of our schools on the weekends and at night we want to be able to continue that and make those spaces work uh within our community this is our initial site plan this one this is our initial site plan this is um really the on the left side you see the the planned outline of the new facility on the right side in red you can see where the current Cutler stands the current Cutler is uh outlined in Red so that you can see that we would need to fit in the new building while the current cuddler still acts as a skull so the the design is cose fold so that uh they can build the school on the left the new Elementary School while still keep keeping kids in the CER School space getting their education we don't have any other place to put kids so it was important to be able to pull this off and I think the Architects did a nice job fitting that in and making sure that worked for uh the plan and gives us a good um idea of where things will sit on the the uh plot of land at the puer school some other things as you'll see there are more Fields added we have uh five opportunities for soccer fields we have a baseball diving that would be just flipped from the left side it's currently on the left side of this plan uh it would flip to the right side and uh parking would certainly have to increase as well and we're working with our parking and traffic people to do studies that have been studies done those studies are available on our website uh so that you can take a look at them there are hundreds of pages of interesting information um so was there was a really extensive traffic study done um we look at the parking and how the parking uh impacts the neighbors and people around the facility so there been a lot of work and a lot of conversation about how to make this work best we are still gathering information so if you see something here you say hey I want to know about X please ask us and please reach out let me hand this off to someone onal team or snap here still mind I'd like to speak a little bit to the site plan so all right back um so my my name is D water I'm a land saap architect I'm working with um jcj I'm verying privileged to me working on this project because I actually when I was born my family lived in Hamilton and then we moved to WAM and I still have um an uncle and cousins who live in weton and I considered this to be my weeks as I was growing up I actually went to the Muer my brother went to the cut so this project is very personal and as a landscape architect working with Architects we look very carefully at how all of these different things that Peter was sorry that Eric was just talking about um fit on the site so um I'm going to invite certainly questions that we can answer more specifically later but I'll just give you a few examples um and can we've been making a lot of lighter changes over the course of design as you you know this we stared with schematic design um and we've been working on uh variations of this to and every we've been waiting we've been um doing it to the benefit of the surrounding Community where as we're Shifting the building and getting this everything fitting on the site it's much more re responsive and increasing buffers reducing traffic issues and improving safety and providing safe essal CL the existing site as you know with that exis building is outlined in red since up high in ground there's a lot of topographic change in the site the new building situated now expanding the elevational chains and gr so that everything on the site now is going to be fully accessible and that's a major improvement over the current limitations to the site the access coming in off of Asbury Street is now going to really resolve the entry and exit points and the on-site circulation going to spold a lot of the vehicles in through the site um so you don't have those issues that to experius have with the congestion and the back up backup side on asbery Street The Pedestrian is uh connections coming along the sideway sidewalks on asbery street are coming in it's hard to see in this plan it's a little bit washed out but there's green lines and you I think in your hand you you have a site plan those minimize the amount of points which a pedestrian has to cross a driveway that's really important ter the getting to and from the building safely and from their surrounding the so this is a very wal design and then we've been working very hard to maintain existing trees along the perimeter of the site so that we can keep those more Legacy trees that will act as buffer so that this building um when it sits on the site it fits within the landscape and Peter is going to be showing you some three-dimensional images later in the presentation that really demonstrates how contextual this building is and fitting within this single family residential Community think asan public sure thanks thank you super Tracy um my name is G Mor um I'm a project designer at jcj country and have been privileged to work with the school building committee and District on this project um taking off from um where DAV left off with the site uh this is the site section we want to just initially demonstrate how this building is navigating um to honor view of the site we know that the building is a three story build we have a third story on the up um but I inco in this project it's really in the series of two story modelings that Step Up Up and Spar so that's what this section essentially describing that little diagram at the bottom is actually showing you where we're cing through the the building and how that uh sort of upper classroom neor to the South is really a two story Ming uphill one L um so while it's three stories we are keeping that building at as closest scale to the residential and fit its surrounded by and it's a very familiar SC to young kids that are going to be on to school there that's that di just straight we're going to drop down and take a little look at these plans and working tip um now the entrances to the schooling there's really two ways the kids are coming to the property um by bus to the um the bottom of the drawing um when that arrow is that's the main entrance to the SC front the uh the main entrance around the back of the building um towards the horse Asters is the parat trop off there's a a road that brings uh parrots around the back of the building uh pulls that traffic into the site people like David was describing getting them off fastberry Street uh to an end to the back side that that LEDs kids into the cafeteria they can then be dispers jyes are the cafer fol a start so those are the two main points of Entry um uh in the mornings in the afternoons they they proba off there's also a second entry at the upper level that we'll look at on the second Flor PL so we just going to walk through the plans really briefly we're going to go we're all going to take the bus and go to the front entrance uh there's an entry canopy that's just off the the main entry drive so there's any W you can wait that cing for your bus or be queued there um as you as are leaving the SL we go up to the front door there's a estle with a secure um window where where the people in the uh Administrative Office can buzz you in so security obviously I talked about security very important to us in this project you get into that bestle then you can actually go into the the administrative offices directly to the right in purple or you can be led into the school so once you come in in there talked about where the community spaces are and the classroom neighborhoods it's really important to us to separate the classroom functions from those Community functions you have after school events or even something during the daytime so those Community functions directly across that main entrance we have the main media center um the music spaces the cafeteria the gymnasium they're all right there um and that cafeteria has a folding partition that can actually open up to create more space for bigger community events or a larger School Gathering um that's just across the hall to that's now First Neighborhood uh just to the left of the entry we're going to talk about grade reconfiguration and sort of mixing grades on the upper levels but we really believe that this first neighborhood to the left of the main entry is the first Drapers that's the youngest kids we want them close to the entr we want them close to the cafeteria they also have a age specific playground just outside their space to the north that David touched on a little bit so whether you're going to mix grades and the upper grades we think this is the first graders on this first level they can go directly across the all to the cafeteria which they s off the end where the gymnasium is there's a that salmon colored space all the salmon colored spaces in the plan are special education facing spaces so you'll see those dispersed throughout the building um that was really important to us also in our planning was to take special ucation spaces and integrate them into each great neighborhood so they're not segregated in their own space in in the villing um so now we're going to go take a right in the front door and walk down the end of the hallway the great spaces on the end there a sh spaces like mechanical rooms Etc uh the white space of the big heavy black H and that's actually um unestimated space because the the first the second level is above that on the second floor so there's a communicating stair that Comey at the end of the hallway that brings up to the second pel we're just going to walk up that figuratively um and in the center of that space uh there's a few classrooms there science technology engineering classrooms this Cate building we really see as kind of a steam Hub where we have science technology engineering art music and all those space the shared uh special spaces that the K would U move to um thre Deb so if you uh walk down the hallway towards where the cafeteria is in the second level there's some special education classrooms the art classro get behind that uh on the the top half of the page in green and then there's three learning neighborhoods out this level and then the final uh if you go down to the the other end of the drawing to the right you can see there's an arrow there it's just little upper level entry that's actually the second floor entry to the building and there's a St that brings you up to the third floor there you can get out from that level to the play Fields sorry I'm cing this way down here let me had to plan that way uh out to the play RS the um the wall ball court the basketball court and the the softball fields and soccer practice fields so we'll walk up the third flow to uh the final luring neighborhood now the luring neighborhoods are comprised of the same con components in each uh area there are essentially seven corac classrooms there are special indic uh piece of the program which consists of small BR PRS there's there's one small Brom PR per each shared classroom there's for every two class we have a small group r that teachers can push out into uh AIDS can come and push into to do interventions um make they're going to be very useful throughout the day for the teachers to do their activities also in the learning neighborhoods the quarters are quite a bit wider that's not just to move large numbers of kids down the hallway to uh lunch it's also to create breakout space or kids to help uh things outside of collapse do collaboration they need teamwork uh they can have AIDS how going help them there's also a lot of visibility between the classrooms to those breakout spaces those breakout spaces are core academic there special education and also um neighbor AES H so then uh let's take a look H helicopter and fly with site and see how this looks in air we're essentially uh north of Woodland me we're looking to the southeast uh you can see on the the uh right hand side of the image is uh the Asbury Street the Asbury Street NE um to the west and to the South you can see beyond the baseball B is the cyam neighborhoods and with the me wrapping around the horse p and the polo club and you know theyve touched on we really think that the scale of this building fits really nicely within was in the context of residential uh houses that founding we're also liing to um use those kindar forms with the G ended uh buildings that kind of look like horse barns uh we're using with the from year Break um you know F SMI pennels could come into architecture we see around uh this community and then looking the opposite direction with the uh softball field in foreground and the horse pastures on the on the right of the image uh towards the Woodland we that and then dropping down to uh street level we're essentially at the main parking lot where there visitor parking and staff parking at the front of the building you can see the bus uh sort of PS are bustling I really feel this is a nicely scaled space for young kids to help learn uh redep that the building for to left is that first plash in Road um and that's brick and uh the uh space in center of the building in Cent image is the uh administrative offices and S and technolog both then just coming a little bit closer into the the entry you can see that entry element um we're going to go through those front doors and go into the interior developing and talk a little about some spes good hi everybody um as um Peter said um I'm I'm Al Carano I'm your project manager from jcg architecture and I'm going to speak to you about the interior of the building and um we just wanted you to know that as school Architects we feel that there's no more important work than designing and creating environments for your Young Learners and as Architects we've really enjoyed collaborating throughout this process that some of you have heard about that have come to these meetings that's created uh a new school for all of your K uh grades 1 through five Learners in the district and um really had a had a had a wonderful experience and and that design that we've up with embodies the district's educational program that Eric spoke so eloquently about as well as uh adhering to your budget and your schedule and although we don't live in your community we just want you to know how important to us as parents and grandparents just like you people in the room that we've worked to create your new school that is secure and welcoming and sustainable and really just a joyful place for each of uh your precious children and grandchildren to come to every day so having said that the images that you've seen today are really a snapshot in time about the current design and please know that this design is going to continue to evolve as the project moves forward through the phases to make sure that the building aligns with the educational plan and your budget so that said let's look at the current images so the the image that you see here is the front entrance when you come into the school is what we're referring to is Cutler Boulevard and it's that community space that Eric and Peter spoke about so the idea here is to build upon some of those important ideas from visioning like having a life filled wonderful space to come into so on the left of the image you can see that glass wall that looks out into a courtyard space where there are opportunities for both learning and play and within this space we want to develop a Hamilton Centric identity where you can see you know examples of um Community images be it the logos or images on the walls to customize the space re community on the uh left hand side on that wood panel we're going to build upon that idea of the school as a teaching tool and what you're looking at is an energy dashboard where we can monitor the efficient systems in the building and let the students have an opportunity to see the energy usage and tie it into their curriculum what's going on in their science class and their environment in the back of the image we see a stair leaning up to the second floor this is the second floor of Cutler Boulevard and we'll be designing as you can see it's a Universal Design space that has both ramps and stairs and elevators so that the entire school is accessible to the all of your students and we'll be utilizing things like patterns and color and warm wood tones to make a warm and welcoming environment and we really look forward in the future phases to working with the students and the teachers and the rest of the community to develop a character the Freddy spaces that truly builds upon the details and the feeling and hamlets and round so this is a view of the gymnasium and cafeteria that you heard both Eric and Peter spoke uh speak about in the foreground we have the cafeteria and in the rear of the image we have a gymnasium and there's an operable partition in between that can allow these each of these spaces spaces to function separately or if that operable partition is open it can be that large space for um either a community event or an entire school assembly in the foreground you can also see that there are different types of seating that afford different opportunities for dining and socializing for the students which is an important part of their day and it will also have opportunities for both U more active and quiet dining we know that HMR students uh needs to learn and experience space in a different way so next is the very important um breakout spaces and the reason that these are so important is that as we've heard about we're working very hard to pre uh create unique learning neighborhoods um that are smaller little communities within this school and I I think that this opportunity to come back with you to build upon these unique spaces and you know at other schools we've used things like different colors for each neighborhood or a different theme and um we're really excited to in the next phase have some workshops where we engage the students and the teachers and those of you in the community that would like to join us to really Garner the students ideas VI their sketches or stories because you know these little guys are the experts they're the they're the students they they know what they want to see in the school so we're there listen and build upon those ideas and make these spaces flexible and adaptable and as you can see there's glazing adjacent in the in the um to the classrooms so that the teachers can still W to these SP spaces and as we heard Peter speak about we can have group activities be at breakout spaces for Project based learning and there's opportunities for writing on the whiteboards that we can see uh different kinds of flexible seating for the students to enjoy little spaces they can get to and in the rear of the image you can even see some bookshelves where we can take uh different um to to work with the curriculum different kinds of books out that change through the year and really help those spaces adapt so each of these little small scale neighbors uh who has a a different experience as the students journey through grades 1 to five and um for those of you that have been to other meetings this slide is actually a picture of a classroom at the Manchester Memorial Elementary School in your neighboring Community it's also a JC Day project and this was a good example that the district and others on the tours enjoyed to show and represent the basic buildings um blocks for a good healthy school uh with you know between Acoustics and healthy materials and indoor air quality thermal comfort with efficient systems and really good just indoor air that we've heard you know like superintendent Tracy pointed out if we've come to Value so much since the pandemic and then last but not least all kinds of wonderful natural light all of these things combined to make much improved academic outcomes so those concepts are represented here in an image of what we foresee your classrooms could make and um another opportunity that we really look forward to in the next phase should um the project receive a positive vote in this spring is to build what we call a model classroom so we test layouts and we get actual furniture and we bring some students and teachers in to test drive if you will to make sure that there's different kinds of furniture be fidget stools or loose comfortable Furniture different arrangements to make sure that all of these classrooms are set up for success for each of our learners than uh good evening everybody my name is Kevin nin I work for PMA consultants and I'm proud to represent the town of Hing in one this District as your owners project mhip I represent the residents the building committee and the whole project team uh help lead Eric and his a through the marri of msba uh Milestone requirements and modules and I have been with the project since you invited into eligibility and I'll be here hopefully until we turn the keys over to the district um which I have behind me on the screen it's a little tough to read I'm sorry on the right I will say that all this information up here on the screen is available on the mba's website it's a great inter website go to construction clost architectural cost and this will pop up this track what this track represents you see it going up the bom represent years the dollars are on the left and what what I'm showing you as everybody knows is that the cost of everything is on up and that includes construction but the good news on the left- hand side of the screen since I started with this program what has also gone up is the mba's contribution to this gr to this program when we first started uh the msba was reimbursing the towns cities and towns of mass um $432 per square foot of eligible space last 30 Thursday or Friday we received a confirmation from the msba that they had accepted our schematic design we going a roll bus back and forth over the last month of a schematic design that we submitted in December and what I'm going to show on the next slide is that although the cost have gone up the msba reimbursement has gone from $433 Ft to 645 a square foot charer TI the to Sun I am okay so this represents our project cost when we first um started our program it was called the preliminary design phase and that's represented in the far First Column and it is just what that sounds like it's preliminary designs where we do a lot of Investigation on existing conditions what shape are your schools in what needs to be improved and we report this to the msba once you pass their Milestone you go to the next phase which is preferred sematic report where we build on all the data we collected and we cost out options we costed out over 14 different options starting at a code upgrade to your color school and went from uh an addition and renovation to the school and then also new floor uh new schemes for the school that was the requirement in the nsba we passed that Milestone as well in the be agreed with us that the most economical um way to approach this project was a new build what I'm happy to report from this screen as you'll see on the left hand side when we started we were approximately $150 million in total project cost with our um verification of our reimbursement rate that's in the middle section we just learned last Thursday and Friday that our reimbursement rate will be 51. 28% so we're doing um uh I'm sorry I lost my train thought my best uh 51.2% so going up to the top box as we stand today after further refinement listening to all the input we got from public meetings from music groups critiques from the msba going back and challenging our Architects challenging our superintendent and teams is this a have to have or a nice to have we were able to refine our programs still meet our educational plan and our project costed has gone down to 142 m266 34 the actual construction cost the nuts and bolts of that are $18.5 million and our reimbursement rate that we're expecting from the msba will will be between 48.8 million and 50.0 48 million leaving the cost here for Hamilton and wam to pay in accordance with their District agreement between 92 93 million which is down from our initial estimate of $110 million so we have continued to work again with the team with the building committee with the msba uh to bring this in as economically achievable achieve and still achieve our educational plan which I think we have done um so we have entered into the next phas with the msba which next week on Monday we start what's called a project scope and budget negotiations and the ultimate outcome of that negotiation will be it will verify what square foot is aable for reimbursement speak we will verify um some some elements that may or may not be considered by the msba we're going to fight on your behalf to make sure they consider all Swift that we can and ultimately we'll end up with a contract which is the total project cost that we will not exceed is as we said earlier some of the Architects we will continue to evolve with the design and perfected with more input but what will not change is the total project cost and the potential maximum reimbursement from the state that's a contract that we're going to make that we cannot exceed so we can still work within the square footage of the building to perfect it and make it perfect for Hamilton and ROM but the budget will not increase around a lot too um that's all have back to our thank you Kevin couple of QR codes um for our project website and on the right side documents and reports e documents and reports that we've had uh that we've done with engineering our traffic or anything like that is available on our website these are quickest ways to get there if not you can go to hwschools.net and uh click on the the project under the about section take you right to the site and everything that we have available including um these presentations this presentation will be on there tomorrow morning uh as soon as we finish them we put them right up and try to get them out there to the public so that people can see them and have access to them previous Community forums have been up any information that was presented to the school building committee over the last s months is is is on there uh and that gives you a little bit of a timeline if you want to see you know where we started when we started investigating over I think over 30 properties around the two communities to try to figure out the best place to put a a school so with that I will open this up to questions answers or comments and certainly I I'm going to run we're going to run around the mic and we're going to ask you to just uh say your name and where you live and anybody want to try not to cross these two mics here Jill shagon and I live on Asbury Street right across from the field where it's going so my questions number one and I have 500 questions HeyWire things say are you going to put at the bottom level of the school bulletproof windows question one cuz I don't know if that's been answered yet bulletproof no it is called School guard glass okay impact resistant it's not well we could we couldn't afford exactly exactly that much expensive but um yes it's called School guard and I think danger number de aay School may have put it in and this was Sandy Hook okay came out of Sandy Hook good question I'm glad you all said that yeah and this is first to 5th correct where's kindergarten going to be so good question kindergarten preschool currently reside all over in Place preschool is in the win and the kindergarten and spread out across the three elementary schools where's it going they would all go to the buer school plenty of room beautiful uh opportunity for us to take advantage of a beautiful building um when we went through this process initially the SBA clearly identified the couler as being in the worst shape they wi through as being in the second worse and they would not even touch the bug world they said it was plenty of Life n so we believe we can use that the way it's currently set up uh we've been putting if if people have paid ENT budget process over the last 3 years since I've been here we've been putting money in there each year in the budget to continue to kind fix it out if do well we'll continue to do that as needed so I go to H one schools.net above above Hill wom Das Frid both of those QR codes are of your mask I have a lot of questions about like taxes and everything but yeah tax tax questions will get answered soon we're working with the towns to do the the um the debt out of the debt scale if you will and part of that will be figuring out the final number so we have a meeting Monday with the state and that will bring us to a board meeting with the state in late February 26th I think that board meeting they determine whether or not they sign the actual project scope and budget with us which is the number we get to say okay now we can look at it from a tax perspective it breaks and sure you're familiar with how it breaks out 65 is to 35 5ish for uh 65% of the 90 plus million to Hamilton and 35ish to Dum the other question I have which I probably cannot answer is how is going to affect my septic system and the water rles and all that I have right from where the school's going to go good evening Roberts with jcj architecture principal in charge there will not be any impacts to the neighbor properties from this the side of the facility so the septic for the school will remain on the septic any storm water will re on the site there'll be uh the storm water cment and of WEA qualities structors of incorporate the design to ensure that and in the school like the traffic is going go behind school that way you see that big blue line that goes around the building no okay I'm glad you're here asking questions and then the boss say they're going to in the front that's right Cur in the front we have 14 buses in service our elementary schools so 14 yep then thank you're welcome if one back then that the back actually I'll just focus allessie Harper I com drive so in the butter and I'm very concerned about what the building and parking uh facilities will do for the night sky and the lighting that will ensure that we don't we not live up like a Christmas tree we don't want be great question I'm going to head it down here for an answer have answered this one before say yeah I can going to speak to the sight lighting it do the landscape architect with the all of the sight lighting that's going to be used in this project will be fully dark side and plant what that means is that the fixtures have a horizontal cut off to they don't shine to need light above that horizontal line but more importantly it's about the lighting um the areas only as needed so um the amount of light that we need to provide for par areas of walkway is governed by the um uh by the lighting industry as far as um you know minimum levels of like an average of one foot candles that when you go from your parking space to the building um we're not laying everything up all the time I think the controls come into play here too in terms of the diability and also being off um when they not eting so um with LED like fixtures as you're probably all familiar now because become so commonplace um you don't have the uh warmup time you have the old uh metal highlight that's so you vapor lights that have a Ballance that kind of warm up and they're on all the time LEDs have are Inon on andon off and they're also div so it comes down to controls so you're not lighting areas that um don't need to be illuminated um at certain times of the day and user specific so when you have an evening programs then the lights will be on but then they can be turned off for dim down um for security cpose it so so certainly not be eliminated by Christmas Street think there was a question also about the building and the lighting in the building itself I don't know if yeah I was I thought that in thank you David um so as our school along with just school been spil B the reselling is uh we're we're seeking to achieve um Le status and we have extra incentive points so that this has going be a sustainable school and every school that's built now as an autom building system syst we're working with the facilities Department to make sure that we get an automated building system that you can actually operate that you don't need a PhD to operate and part of that element is control of the heating ventilation and air conditioning so that it runs as efficient as possible and another component of that is lighning controls the lighning controls will also be through the automated building system where you can set like tonight if there wasn't an event not basketball there wouldn't be a need for all the parking L leges to be on we could program that our facilities are that goes in he puts an event calendar and the lights will only be on when they needed so there are all kinds of uh controls built into this system that'll help make us sustainable and energy U efficient all let go I'm hop on that just that this has come up in the past the fields are also not lighted somebody asked that the last form I just want to make sure that that's clear none of those fields have night lights so yes Jared Ward uh when I'm I'm on the thcom and when I'm I went to a meeting last night and I was told that I would get answers to respect to the tax rate at this meeting tonight and I'm disappointed that we don't have the um I'm looking at a schedule here that says that we are required to to post a joint meeting with the select board final budg budget recommendations for the project train leaving the station on February 18th when will we have the effect of the tax rate for the citizens of Wenham I understand that the Hamilton fincon has been very proactive and they have some estimates which basically a 10 to 12% tax increase in Hamilton um they however have some significant benefits that they will derive from this project because of the fact that they will scrape the winter site and obtain benefits from that whenham does not and therefore you know I don't want to be left holding the bag on February 17th saying here's the here's the numbers Mr Ward okay okay so I I implore you please work in the state and get us the figures so that we can make an intelligent recommendation as we are required to do by law to the select board understood sir and um as I reported we had just received Friday morning um the msba gets their data for the reimbursement rate from do and they had just completed their effort and were reported to us what our final reimbursement rate would be for our project scop and budget which are report tonight at some 53% just State C which did I'm just I'm going to finish and then I'll answer any questions you have it's all part of the story um so with that rate lock in and with our meeting on Monday the project scope and budget conference where we'll hammer out eligible and eligible square footage which is down to 4,000 square people right there we will finalize that number but in the meantime I'm working with the finance director Binny who secured the services of um a bond councel and bond advisor so that when we finish that negotiation hopefully early next week we will give the number and it's right within that range it's in that range I gave so there are be working on it we'll solidify that number with the state as early as we can next week and then we want to have some kind of interactive or something on our website where every citizen will be able to go on there look up the value of the home and see what the tax impact is so we're working towards that I I apologize we didn't have it tonight but we just got our confirmation of reimbursement rate and the okay to populate that into our total project cost worksheet Friday so we diligent work over the weekend we're going to work with Bond Council get that thanks see Sten MCG 18 com H drives um just want to reiterate um size of the school is the size of the high school it's too big for the lot um I like how they brought up iner so we did good um school elementary 50% size of Cutler the 66 mil been on that lot there's septic issues on this lot uh she both the corner of the Asbury and going into eight that's the only place foring I people looking history on that lot uh it very very they could get a septic system with size so they might do a Sil STP we uh we don't have here we'll be asked to Engineers on their own site uh they have indicated last year uh they get water right where the schools located with tending feet uh the driver drop uh a lot of water goes right through this area and go right across that lot where that baseball field is in the T for cin uh it goes to the other side um 25 years go I will neighborhood get S how much water goes through telling what the need a cross the street the water has to go somewhere it's not staying on the lot it's going the wet as you can see 150 ft away F lot from the S scho so there's a lot of concerns other town so far Water Town 200 wor processs uh they didn't budget for Sol looking cost 15 million dos with the 58% the Kevin sing about the old case are event so we have to be real careful um select board member on last year said to H said about 100 so you got this uh what else you have um L 400 Bill develop project same process here get re first a lot more than we going to get re bir and um they just brought into spectal and the doors don't of on these project way out hand well um then uh else to oh what Kevin would I like would like to know is um they you can keep saying $100 per square foot reimbursement 600,000 what do we Bas gu we got to ask us $1,000 a square foot to build 2,000 we are go but we bu something just a you okay so there was an awful lot there not in the form of a question but in statements but I'm going to address them we have a team of Engineers that are working on this project and they have been from the preliminary design we have mechanical engineers ploning Engineers fire protection Engineers we have landscape uh Architects we have registered professional Architects and everything that was stated is being designed by a professional engineer architect we will meet all codes we will be sustainable and we will be lead certified we will hire a construction manager that will be responsible to bring this building in with us as a team on time and on budget there as I said there is no opportunity for more money once we take that vote it's capped the square footage by the msba it's capped we're going to sign a contract with them that we can't exceed are there problems in construction absolutely how are we going to address them by hiring the right construction manager to help us mitigate water during construction have temporary basins treat the water before it hits the catch Basin make sure it doesn't roll onto your property all things that's part of proper engineering and planning we're doing now the question about size of school I brought I for the new people we talked about this last meeting as well and I'll bring it up again I got my notes from last time is the school uh Mega school no many cities and towns now because of just the economy and the way things are can't afford neighborhood schools and it Consolidated the msba is allowing and I would say actually pushing that that you should try to consolidate to save cost and I can tell you as I did the last crowd um in just our neas and NOA just built Elementary School West Elementary 925 students swamp Scot Seaside Community 900 students eastampton again these are all elementary schools not high schools not Middle Schools elementary schools north um Northbridge 130 and on and on and on I can go this isn't a mega school as Alicia said we're building a school that is neighborhood based we're making small neighborhood communities within within the school we got a nice compliment from the msba a facility assessment subcommittee meeting and I'm going to Butch you the quote it's on one of our slides but the nsba working group the people that look at our design complimented I'm where is it BL I know I know what the BL him read because I have have my break glass I'll be where this say um msba facility assessment subcommittee clote describ as migh within scale sharing resources School cult where is that was a comment that was made um on the B from the msba in reviewing our preliminary plans right through schematic design it complemented how we took the amount of students and broke them up into our FL into little learning communities so I think I addressed all your comments if I miss I'll gladly is can I just I just thought one thing this uh the foot cost we are approximately $844 per square foot I will verify that I know this is a tape um and the the reimbursement rate the 645 as I said you're correct it's eligible square foot $645 per eligible square foot we meet the msba eligibility in fact we had a very productive meeting last week where we made a balance between the gymnasium and the cafeteria to bet SI on cafeteria that resulted in more eligible square footage to tune of almost a million dollars in additional reimbursement so we continue to fight that TR oh that's right thank good evening Ed McCarthy live at 16 cutting hand dries I've been in Hamilton for about 20 years and we moved to Hamilton one of the priorities of moving away from Austin away from Salem was to move to a small town with small schools and they did a wonderful wonderful job of educating our children our son and daughter attended col school went on to the middle schools and on I can't say enough wonderful things about the education that they received they got it they got it dialed in now we want to take it and we want to turn it upside down and we really want to tear up the fabric of the to what they want to do is take and drop a thousand people into our neighborhood oh how did I come up with that crazy number well 7 to 800 students cafeteria staff teaching staff administrative staff 12 dieseling buses out in front of the school and then what about the people in buer they can't send their kid three blocks over no they're going to take a third grader who is8 or n years old stick him on a bus and tri him to on the town somebody thinks that's a good idea they want to take the families who used to attend uh the school at um uh I'm sorry the wiri school and the people from those neighborhoods pull them out of there knock down the school take the winthrip school put it in a landfill is that very green I don't think so I think from an ecological perspective to see the winter of school to see the C school put into a landfill I think it's a horrible idea we don't maintain our school property my background is in maintenance and electrical distribution design he talks about building automation systems talks about Design Systems these are complicated systems made by Seamans and carriers and other manufacturers they need a lot of Maintenance they need a lot of expense these are layers and layers upon maintenance and cost and expenses that we don't go in this home the walkways are crumbling behind the color School the paint is peeling off the building it is just an admiration the way we don't maintain our fresh hims we have great teachers I personally have voted for overrides to bring money to the school for the override I want people to realize the scope of the school in the project we're going to have a wonderful Loop we can stage 29 cars so they don't go onto the street and cause traffic congestion what about the other 500 cars that are out there that are trying to come down asur street and the buses that are coming in I'm telling you we need to do better for our children first and foremost is the education of our children and they have received a wonderful wonderful education in the small schools renovate repurpose Revitalize this is not the answer and this is really really not the way to go thank you very much thank you um I'm just going to point out one item that was on the slide then we're going to turn over to Eric but first the uh winter School demolition is not part of this project um on the um probable cost worksheet that was up to the blueart there's a line called incentives for maintenance so as part of our preliminary design program Eric and his team had to submit yes worth the Recons on uh School budgets and cost that that they have been spending on all three schools and one of the items they had to provide data on and proof was how they maintained them at what level the msba then does an analysis and they reward you um with maintenance and incentive points up to two it's 0 to two points Hamilton W and received 1.76% points which is one of the highest percentage points for maintenance that I've been involved with and that shows that the buildings were in fact maintained and as I said said earlier we did an analysis for the new people with people that look familiar you've heard me say as part of the preliminary design phase in the PSR preferred sematic report we analyzed Cod upgrades only renovation only renovation with an addition and new we provided cost data we collaborated with the msba and they agreed that this was the most economical and reasonable approach to consolidating two schools and getting two with at the same time thank you hi um my name is Terry for I meet current resident at three stage Hill Road in the wedam massachusett but I did grow up in Hamilton I attended winther Elementary School the miles R middle school and then this High School um and hopefully our son will be attending this new school in a few years um as well I was wondering if you guys could speak a little bit about what happens if we don't take the msba fund now um and what that means for Downstream projects in terms of renovating this high school that I attended 20 years ago um and what that sort of means in terms of like for Hamilton Lam for maintaining our school district um and a bunch people have sent it but I got a great education here I think regardless of what side you're on in this discussion Hamil Mone was a great spot to go to school and I think everyone is very engaged in make pay that J I mean specifically you're you you're you're curious more about if we don't if this doesn't pass on okay yeah so if this doesn't pass on the town meeting or Ballot or any of the four places it has to pass um then the msba gives us time to reconsider that's solely up to the school committee to decide whether we we take on the shot at a vote um some communities decide to some communities don't uh after that if we still say no then we're on our own the msba will generally walk away we can continue to request um to be included in future so sois statement of Interest so just how we got into this process um you have you have if switch right next door who uh didn't pass theirs I think six years ago is six or seven years ago and it took them uh full seven years just to get their invited just I heard they just got their invite recently so um you could wait that out and and hope to jump back in that process um which is the process about a 5year process um if we don't pass it we continue to move forward and say we say we just simply bring our buildings up the code the code upgrade is the couler alone just code upgrade this does not change things like roofs Windows things like that it literally go inside and look at everything that does not is not ADA Compliant uh like the ramps that are in that building it is about $48 million and that would be 100% carried by the taxpayers there's no reimbursement from the state at that point then if you did the same thing at the wiri school just use the same number roughly I'm just using that as a rough number because ADA compliance is the number one thing the state will look for that gets triggered when you start to do these renovations um and then you do it again at the buer or you don't do it at the buer and you say hey we got to put money into the high school you're now looking at $150 million carried by the taxpayers over um a 20-year period 30-year period I know how how much time you do that in between down new store correct just renovation yeah just actually not even it's it's literally just 88 compliance um for the CER school is approximately $ 48.8 million yes yeah the reason the reason there's no uh ADA compliance at Windor Winder was not actually included in the project so if we said we don't want to touch Cutler we want to build windrum to the msba they would have pulled out and said no we want we're giving the money to the cuddler project that is your most your school has the most need for repair and Improvement so that's that's one of the reasons we don't have an ADA number for the win site you couldn't just pick the win site the state was Bas making us specifically focus on the copper site they did however entertain the opportunity of combining the schools on the CER site um if you go onto our website there is in the early stages there there are um outlines of approximate costs for 14 different um renovation uh renovation and and on an addition or folk FK builds if you will for uh the wiom uh excuse me the wi and the CER sites why was it witer consider why because it wasn't uh when they looked at our buildings they were specifically looking at the most deteriorated building to say okay we're going to focus on this building so had nothing to do with the Le or because the both leases were in approximately the same place as people don't know for people who may not know School the school district does not own the elementary schools we lease them all from the towns we leased uh the two the winter and the Cutler from Hamilton and we lease the buer from wam the only site we own is the High School Middle School site you had M to throw while oh good Jim Eric Jim Cur on Eric could you discuss or give us a sense about the school but we're on that uh Trends are for the next several years and how that been to eyes of the school good question currently we 680 students at the elementary school level uh in this building configuration when you're looking at greates they're approximately 130 kids 12830 kids uh in each grade level so we're looking at 680 in grades 1 through five uh right now this year if you look at our numbers we went up a tiny bit uh in this school year next year we'll go I need it again a couple more years where it kind of flattens out and then it'll go up again the msba uh people may have noticed that the site size the the building size for 740 students the msba builds in approximately 60 seats for future growth so one of the things that you do find is um they look at uh birth rates they look at all the kind of fundamentals in each of the communities to see who's moving in who's moving out what are the birth rate life birth rates in the uh create these numbers that are slightly higher than what you have for your current numb so our number right now is 681 it'll probably hover in that range for the next few years and then start to bump up a little bit so you can help with both ways figure of 1 76 that the msba said we do a great job with maintaining our schools and coming to a school committee meeting and hearing that have't beain the schools third years which is it we've got High School roof that our new assil director has told us you've told us we're in the pipeline with the msba that's a dead exclusion the middle schools could to need the same schools wa wait minut wait minut let me finish let you talk about the win through site not being in consideration the win through site was never in consideration because the HD St for well over a decade has wanted to develop that site belongs to the town the 10 want to sell it there's there are minute meeting meetings of minutes going way back before April where John M Grant LS it all out for everybody now this might be a great beautiful school how are we going to for it I've said this out a how many times we this is going to be a debt exclusion yes yes that doesn't mean it excludes debt that means according to joh MRA in Hamilton tax rate and Lon two up 11% that gets baked into our tax rate we have the two High tax rates in ess6 County after that we're supposed to be needing a debt override now all of a sudden we don't Vinnie Liam spoke at the first principal board meeting he said 1.1 million for the teacher the union contracts that were just signed is coming out of fisal year 25 FAL year 26 we need another 1.3 million that 2.4 million drives 70% of the school increase in budget now everybody's done such a great job we don't need operational overrides in Hamilton we don't need in one we don't need for the school because we taking all of our free cash and for anyone here doesn't understand what that means free cash is neither it's not free it's not money sitting on somebody's desk that's our tax money you want to talk about the reimbursement from the state whose money do you think that is that came out of the pocket of everybody in here so in essence we are paying 100% for that school you can call it MSP State reimbursement how greated it no please don't ask oh thank you that is our money that we're spending if we don't pay the piper this year I don't care what's being said by the board these are obligations the cola obligation these are on when has um Union employee contracts under negotiation M wam can't afford this school wam will go under Mar and I'm telling you even though johnra that the last spinc con meeting so Hamilton will never sell that site Hamilton will sell that site Hamilton develop corporation which is a 504 CC a 50 501c4 excuse me has no um any sort of financial oversight will develop that LW and they will make a good amount of cash and we don't know where it's going to go the school district has gutted our two talents I two more final points the reason all the young people who spoken today and the older people who said I got a great education have what is because we had three neighborhood Schools Kids walked to school they had they had two they had friends that they went from school where they were call and play breth you're going to overwhelm a neighborhood with how many buses and Diesel all those kids if I had young kids today I we'd never put them in school n size never final Point 2023 to 2024 Accord our food pantry as I've stated before thank God we have them saw a 56% increase in the number of families meeting their services the number of families facing food insecurity in Hamilton is 1 in 10 in wam it's 1 and 12 so you look around this room and we're at what 10 families maybe maybe more that means that children in Hamilton are going to bed hungry children in wam are going to bed hungry that means their mother their father works at 12-hour shift and comes home and says gee do I heat my apartment tonight do I feed my kid tonight your asking me with a dead override a dead explosion and overrides that we are going to have to face to make my neighbors birth heavier no there are other ways to do this ways we can come up with we cannot afford what the district has been asking us to do for years we have paid we have given money the high school roof twice twice those monies were diverted to something else the district by the way that contract is set up financially they don't answer to anybody I am not going to make my neighbor spur worse we need to work with what we have thank you okay thank you um speak that I I know right to to respond I you know you're sit in town that's I appreciate you getting up and and again people pass and banking um and I'm going to agree is people need to realize that the msba is funded by one cent from the sales P where purch 1 cent goes towards the construction that K call schools and masss you're absolutely correct thank you one in the back hi Michelle organ 141 School Street um I'd just like to thank the district and all of the engineers and the people that working to St to align US 10 years uh to bring this project to where we are right now and we all know that public ucation is the foundation of our society as we said our children have received an excellent station and and we are thankful for the past people who have supported the schools and supported public education can you tell us Mr Tracy how old are the schools how old this one through 50 years more they all in the early 50s they're all built around that same uh window of time so the community the community members in that in that generation knew and understood the importance of public education that generation also built the veteran school they also built LS and Hall which is our public housing board they serve our seniors in town and disabled people that generation took care of our children my oldest started at with the school in 2001 my last one started in I don't know 2008 four children to this district 10 the schools at the time were in horrible shape the teachers were the ones in the administration are the ones that made their education I've always said our teachers can teach it a shoe do they deserve to teach it a shoe no Alan it's time and I know it's a sacrifice and I understand everything that these people are saying it's it's a sacrifice but again it's public education it is our foundation so I just incore everyone to be civil listen and and again everyone's aware of the hardships that the cost of um food and the security communities have was have here now I know I work at cord I understand I see I know but societ that needs to support public education just one question for you can you rate the safety of our schools today and compared to what this your school could provide to our students it gone you really gone from zero to 100 really quickly from from from current to that hi I'm Bena I live on Maple Street in South pton I moved here uh almost 3 years ago I'm spoken at a couple of these um we bought an old fix rupper from a family we had lived in it for 40 years uh it was built in the year 1900 to Wood structure when final sighting but we're gotting the whole thing refurbishing and doing the work ourselves um but we're certainly not bulldozing it building new new house the reason why it's cheaper to refurbish it right so some of the math that's been kind of put out here is work and design construction the math the numbers they don't make sense doesn't add up for me you know if we're doing ada8 compliance upgrades I really struggle to understand why that costs near $50 million I'm sure there's a lot of other things it's not just ramps but if you've already got concrete steel a brick wall the roof that maybe needs you know a new membrane on it but what how are they arriving at those numbers I asked this question in December of 2023 never saw any data and whatever data was provided didn't have the details in it that could really show why it's so expensive to refurbish buildings we have I work in the design construction industry so I just want to say the most Sustainable Building is the one that already exists that's a scientific fact big spend my career looking at all of the environmental implications associated with those types of calculations you can look me up Ben galoa it's what I do for all so I just want to like get the record straight here why is it so expensive to refurbish when somebody who goes to Home Depot and looks at prices recognizes plainly that's cheaper refer in my professional pit that's founded in science and facts and working on projects like this is that refurbishing buildings is always better for the environment good thank you very much I appreciate your expertise and um I can tell you this that we can get into them that's so well I won't but high level this isn't a house I know that okay this is a structure that is beyond its useful life and when you talk about when you talk about code upgrades and things like that uh you should only you get into things like size make upgrades and need cut into walls and things expensive not to mention a thing called prevailing wage everyone familiar with prevailing wage this is a municipal project it's bond by the state guidelines look it up online and see what the prevailing wages for a carpenter someone sweeps the floor and hbac technician an electrician that's why the cost is so high prevailing WS state regulations are there other cost like a certain of Park that set they prob so B um no none that are atypical it's we follow the msba formula and standard practice for construction we have soft costs for Architects Engineers contingencies for the uh contractor from the group who said what happens if something goes wrong we have built in contingencies for the owner for the construction manager that's all built into our total project cost is and then I'm sorry uh but that's a that's a cost 10 10 I'm sorry yes as part of the renovation of the ada8 code up upgrades what would we do with the kids while we're doing that work they would have to go into a trailer or a complex like that temporarily um at a cost that's not reimbursed by the state that's 100% on the cities and towns they don't pay for swing space um and then the piece missing and again I could go on but there's information online that I'd be happy to give you more detail what we're missing in that whole discussion on renovation is we have kids learning in hallways in C closets um the pullout areas and the kids that need special attention in quiet space that's all happening in non-progress spaces that were never programmed for anything but a mock blacket is you know now it's a copy machine in the hallway and Kit's desk next to it that's not accomplished in the renovation orote upgrade you hi my name is and the last one is it's the bigger one too is the seismic upgrade and it requires fire protection system as well thank you from the thank sir sorry okay uh Ali palala Howard Street and wning uh aori SK graduate wi buer Middle School Hil my soul right and two students that will be going through the system and one Med my question is and I recognize the negligence of the Deferred maintenance on these schools they look they almost exactly the same as they have uh but I'm trying to make sure that our youngest community members aren't paying the price here and what I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around and the last piece I need to make a sensible decision on this is I'm trying to WRA my head around how our elementary age students will have a equal or better experience than they're having right now fostering their emotional intellectual growth in a school of 100ish plus uh to 600 plus well right now the penpal Knows My Name knows my students name knows where we live it's it's very Community Based and a nice safe protective environment for that age group and how the elementary to being our largest school like head town is is going to be equal or better for them than it is now recognizing the building piece I'm I'm sure I understand the impact on people kidsand the uh it's a great it's a great question the the learning environment really improves dramatically when you're looking at um things like ventilation heating uh what's in the room what's been in the room for as many years and when you were at to school some things might still be there um parts of the building where uh they were modular meant for a short term that have been used insidiously for many many years uh especially at the cupler we have a model modular Wing in the back of the C that was uh never intended to be permanent and those types of things exist then continue to to kind of fade away if you will the educational experience here as a superintendent I can proudly say that our teachers do well everywhere our teachers are super talented we are very fortunate to have the teachers that we have and the and the support staff that we have in our buildings um and moving them into a cleaner safer um more air friendly environment uh not only helps the students but also gives our Educators a quality place to work and and come to every day rather than saying gez I you know I might not want to go to work today it's kind of cold in my classroom again for the E day in a row uh whereas those types of things would be much easier e much more easily controlled when you look at you look at um any school that that I went to Growing Up the same thing you went to your science class it was 80 and you went to your English class and it was 55 uh those things happen all over our buildings all the time and it's really just a constant battle for our maintenance uh person who put out a state of facilities report last Thursday at the last school Comm I I urge you to check out that agenda and take a look at the deficiencies that are listed in that report uh and that's that really outlines the reasons why uh this is important move for our kids in general all of our littlest learning so they have safe high quality learning environments um that meet their needs for movement uh outside inside of the classroom while also giving an opportunity for us to maintain a highquality staff and want to have staff come here and work here every single day justtin white AC uh Jeff Austin sign as res ham last like a few points so I follow Advance um I the challenge the idea that wship was Tak out um is I believe was because the lease was one a major point the lease was renew for a short term on Cut but a longer term with vice versa Vice ver but that was a major Point why once it was wiped off that evaluation was OB be expansion um and ear you made a point that as you go through these was a fourth session I'm Mite that you tailored it towards what theity said I challenge that because we had two surveys last year that said they don't want they don't want the SL school both surveys came back with they prefer either renovation op option or fixing one small site at a time so uh if you listen to the survey you were been not going with a squ Bo this instead um the msba consolidation thing was not fail there was renovation us back that when we were Val all Sites there was msda back renovation plans so that was an option but not consider this is the only one was considered um it's good to hear that msba had a larger reburst now perhaps that for rations I know we be on at this point but again this is being pushed downhill to the throat so to speak we should have had other options excuse me and I with the one light that there mentioned about the small school size i j what you said has many many studies say the better mental health and vegetational Dev is a an size of 300 to 500 student population for elementary age school children anything beyond that is unreasonable okay and there studies out there there actually study called um the dollars and cents censes s and Des doll and it was done 2002 a little bit ago but they evaluate the cost build as well as what the med work with children mus have worked uh then lastly bu buer and color there uh built in 1952 19 they traded and interesting that they miss the would love so well maintained but C was the worse it's the m m PL isue so I say we don't have you know we can't sit sit there and you know put all this money to this plan and not have good main squ I understand you're going to try and do that we're paying for superintendant if we you perhaps School boards if you were on on there and that Maps bad B breaks and now we're going to S all this my we can't afford and I think it's a bad idea most importantly yeah I agree with the one in the back recommend that student prob three to five in small neighbor supp and this this large school you have here what you call neighbor Palace you got to coin as neighborhood schools it's not a neighborhood school and coin what you want a schools we have today we should renovate I think going the general over here Ben point but it makes more sense to renovate I think part of the problem is I don't know enough about it but the a plan you built the MSP is following that so there's a lot of requirements in that to that that probably increase the cost of clean together so I agree we should be renovating and fixing even takes a longer period of time and yeah costes up cost goes up with everything but where where more can you out rather than one big tax burden only next 1051 Years thank you Jud hi our um I just had two questions um I've heard Kevin mentioned a list of other towns and um cities and the school sizes they just weren't the like and over swamp spot they're not really correlating to the Hamilton 1am Community I was wondering what the size of the Manchester school was because that's most similar to this community manest the school at Springfree of 35 students but again just like so small yeah my and beautiful but and to to that end because our our firm worked on that project it was also at the beginning of the project uh the saved exercise where the msba worked with the towns to look at the demographics and the needs and the enrollment to rightsize the school for that Community I think just like we approach every single project as what works for the specific community and sizing at the at the front is something very specific to those set of circumstances so you need to look at it through that our our community though has been voicing that size is huge to us and we said it to the poll um we've been mentioning it at meetings and so why are we getting treated differently than Manchester I'm s my others my second question since I'm going to give the mic back those glass classrooms um they look really beautiful and cool but they're just really scary to a mom so what is the safety for those glass rooms that you guys mentioned in the project just the glass on the side of the door so teachers can see outside they're like no they're not fully glass class rooms H they follow by gun they blazing what they called it's called xter glazing no no there's an actual claber place at me SP you like the go like to and everything there's actual black not no music rooms are not glass the AR rooms are not glass they those are designs we have seen uh we went to a school in Millis where the whole front side of the music room was a glass folding door uh we don't we don't have any of those features built into our classroom spaces really realistically and you might be talking about the smaller rooms in between the classrooms those are not glass either um that would be scary for a superintendent as well um but it's really a uh a a door if you can imagine a door with with glazing on the side with like a light side light on your house on on each glassroom got one right over here Mr Tracy just want to remind you it's 8 p.m. we keep going I know we got a lot of questions I'm just trying feel the question useis yeah I have a rick Mitchell 36 Rock name um question you cited C were a a compliance as sort of a minimums just to make them uh accessible if you were to um renovate them so that you're dealing with roofs uh windows and heating systems and other infrastruct critical infrastructure to lengthen the light what what are the costs there that's okay so team can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those cost for renovation and AD rals which are additions and Renovations uh range from in the 70 million range all the way up to 120ish 130 million and in some of the bigger yeah there was there were 14 different uh views that we had done starting from the initial stage of just 8 compliance and then renovation when I'm to say 70 million then uh renovation and addition needed to outfit space make a bigger cafer for example that went up to almost 100 million in disc continuous the rise depending on what we decide to do then that was for all three elementary schools or just two uh most of those costs were were W and C those are the only ones we studied didn't take Okay so so this is really coming down to an economic balance question so if we made better two schools ADA Compliant and did the minimum infrastructure operates to keep these schools operating safely uh and sustainably for the next 20 years we're looking at $70 to 100 million d one thing that that's confusing me that everybody keeps talking about is what we want keep the winter up in the top and maintain that small community uh environment which I get but none of these address the current problems of holding classes and closets on stages and other locations that are clearly inadequate so I W get this argument that well we should just renovate the two elementary schools or three elementary schools you're still dealing with the structural utilization problems that these schools the the population and needs have outgrown the structure so we'd be throwing good money after bad to renovate those structures in the name of small community schools so I don't get that one and the other is if we decided to go that route of renovating the schools we wouldn't be doing both at once we'd be doing one and then another at a own cost and then we'd have a case of inequality of Education we'd have one renovated school and another that's dilapidated and inefficient for Education it it doesn't make sense to me so that's my sort of I'm try to read the cost benefit here I get the cost I'm a taxpayer I've been in this town 32 years I never sent any kids to the schools because we don't have kids but I willingly pay the taxes to support the education the Next Generation and one fact I've learned being on the planning board and directing the master plan is that 20% of your own deit is tied to the qualities of your schools so that's one shift of the value of your house so you're making an investment there to maintain the equity in your house so last come and I want to clarify this um because one of the role that I play is I'm president and one of the early Founders at the Hamilton Development Corporation the Hamilton Development Corporation is statutorily limited to operating within the commercial District that does not include the mum School site we have no designs on the Windor SCH site we are not a 5013c you were statutorily empowered by a Bo Town beating and the state legislature to work exclusively within the commercial District to help build the tax BS which we have done successfully thank you very much hi there my name's Erica I live in Hamilton and I did not have the privilege of growing up in this community uh but as someone who moved here a couple of years ago and I have two little boys of my own I am really excited about the community that you all have invested and built so I think we're all here trying to make sure that that's protected for the Next Generation so thank you for all of the thoughts so far um what I'd really like to understand a little bit more about is the kind of what she's G um kind of what she was asking earlier in terms of what is what's the vision for the experience that our children will have dayto day with this whole neighbor oods Concept in a larger school like this so for instance when my child arrives at the school will he be with the same cohort of students for recess and for lunch and for Learning and how does the building and the flow of the building impact his little neighborhood if you will great question pretty much the way you described it is how it works now if you go to any of our schools they are generally cohort based so I col to schools and sat in first and second grade uh exuse me kindergarten at first grade uh lunch just  I was leave with syrup on me so it's you know how many milks can you open week but yeah we do it we do it based on cohorts and if you um think about the way this building is designed if your child were to come in the front entrance as a first grer they would immediately go left in in their neighborhood um and in these neighborhoods we're designing them so that they have uh neighborhood librar so that they have grad grade level specific books and activities um some of the other things we can do with flexibility we have Metro programs that we have in our elementary schools where our fifth graders go down and reach to third graders or second graders or uh some of the fourth graders get involved we could do programs like that this building gives us if you you know walk in the building and go to the right an opportunity to mix your third fourth and fifth graders in different situations so that you have Mentor situations built in you can also Flex back to a full uh neighborhood of just a particular grade so they're designed specifically around the numbers that we know we have and we have coming which is roughly around 125 to 130 kids in each grade we've been right around that number at elementary um learning experience will be better improved um better lighting better air quality better heating uh better opportunities to to uh be with your friends and continue to carry on at recess or at lunch or in your uh physical education class uh Physical Therapy if you need Physical Therapy you're going to get it right there you don't have to go to a specific school or no one's traveling to you I'm not paying extra people to drive around the town to service things like that all those Services if you will be right at the same building um it's it's pretty pretty similar if you took our three buildings and looked at them they're all barely set up the same way uh some of them just because the size they combine the lunches but some do them individually so CK based k sorry our kids movie so once once you're done with first grade and you're moving in your second grade are you going to be in that same neighood move B out on the grade level JK we look at it's probably moving we think think it's kind of a quote graduation thing like you're moving up the buildings design that way kind of moving up the hill so first grade second grade third fourth and you're fifth on the top floor um so it's kind of an experiential movement if you will through the building for kids as well could lock them in as well that that's where the flexibility comes in we have the ability to say this is always going to be a first grade Wing uh or this is going to be a looped Wing where we you do first and second grade two years in a row it really depends on the education configuration and the curriculum delivery that we're doing at that particular time that help thank you good youti yeah I'm Linda Preston Highland Street Hamilton we can talking about the school consolidation tonight and I strongly believe we cannot separate that from 3A we do not know what's going to happen the been changes very recently on the state level if that passes with the guidelines we've already SE Hamilton would be required to build 731 units when would be required to build over 300 units for a total of over 1,000 new units and we've been told that there would be no limit placed on how many people could live in each unit if you do the MS those are High numbers in the thousands of potential people coming into Hamilton and into wiam and into our school system if one unit had just one child in that unit that's adding 1,000 children potentially to our school system two children in a family could add 2,000 this is a load on our system we need to think about with this plan that we've seen tonight Mr Tracy has said with the new school they're factoring in extra space should there be 60 more students coming in and I recall last year in a meeting that an architect showed the plans of cber school and explaining the new school also pointed to the right to send this is where we can put an addition this we require in addition so please don't Rel yourself to thinking only about the consolidation the Rea will make a difference in our school system and it will be Shug uh very quickly Mark Johnson Pat D um the School site uh is owned by the town and it takes a two3 of O to sell so it's not like the HDC or the selectman can even do some to or for the citizens to Cable launch relases uh so they the citizens will have control over that furthermore the wet School site is Zone single family residential sign noncom vure so anything that happens there it's not single family residential in still would need uh two things WR of the syst of held pass um State LA's changed a little bit on residential by right but as a practical matter it's a 2/3 to Res and 23 WR to sell it so anything that happens there fish of what we want not not Disney or something else in new hi I just have a question around the school size I think lot of people as where research is behind the school size that they chosen they stand from a practical stand Point like phical f things ET improv Consolidated School but there there's no research that BS let their schools promote men heal social emotional wellbeing of anger Etc so in L of you guys Foundation to find the to us um you did make a list right of the schools and communities Rich elementary schools and I'm wondering if you could provide the demographics in which one of those City I so that we could compare the elementary school size to the size of the city and then what their test scores in their rankings look like so that at least there can be some additional information firms those of us that are trying to that understand absolutely Gage behind us absolutely we can do that we can do that we have a lot of that information on the msba website that we can pull and uh SEC with uh superintendant as well hello hi I'm ch and 21 Garfield value could the site plan go back up there so if you look at the way top left hand corner uh you'll see a tiny little white rectangle that's me so and I right now I look out on the beautiful Fields Cutler and I see kids playing and um I'll be looking across there twostory for building um but it's the the playground that is what is really missing here because you can see all that space taken up by the new building a little playground up on the upper right hand and then now you're saying there's a soccer field down there but you have to remember it's three times the students so right now the 250 kids are outside making you know Snowman when it's not too cold anyway um so that's one issue of the septic really comes up because where's the septic looking now um Mr Tracy we worked I bottom bottom left hand corner is where the setic field is located for that okay so it's wood the me right in that corner corre but where those trees are anym and on the other side of so both sides of the bottom orders are septic fields currently currently all right so they have to be moved and now the reason that building goes up it's because it's Granite it's ledge correct good thing no not no not all of it there happens to be a big piece of stone that most people are familiar with that is is actually there but it's not all ledge um and people want to take a look at the drilling reports that were done there on the website uh we've got this deep as 26 ft in some spots on the spots there at my whole point is that to level off for the parking lots everything I have heard that there would be Dynamite is that still correct that I don't I don't okay I don't think I've heard that well that's what I've been I don't know that that I guess I'm just getting to this point that we have to think about the kids um you know getting outside to play so that's something really important the other thing I want to just mention quickly is that the enrollment today so my kids graduated around 2,000 and that was shortly after the middle school was built there were 500 in the Middle School would you say there's 400 now is that correct 378 I believe okay and I got this on profiles. do. m.edu um Elementary was 834 back in 2000 and it's about 680 and the high school was 698 and now it's about 450 so what about that extra space but has that space been utilized for something else where available to move say the fifth grade in which I Think You're missing two two uh groups of elementary kids there's over 800 elementary kids total because you have all of your kindergarten kids and your preschool kids those are not included in that number 680 right right so that's about what same they've been running roughly the same over the time okay so the last thing is about having the state requirement to have um an elementary school in every town and that's correct that is a regional agreement requirement that not a state requirement that is our regional agreement that the three the two Town three entities the two towns and the school department signed many many years ago I think 50 something years ago and that agreement basically stated there' be at least one school in each Community not Elementary it could the high school could be yeah one school in in each Community okay but I was thinking Elementary because that be the youngest kids but that's the neighborhood school and that's what we'll be missing um is is that's what I see the whole problem no space for the kids to play or very minimal and losing our neighborhood schools and thank Jean yeah I can just speak to the playground little bit um if you see up to this plans you're optimate right that light BL area there's a bloom gray rectangle underneath it that's half for basketball and then the green area this the north it says exist one school that whole area is one place SP that's fence in and so students be able to come out of that upper level uh doorway on the east on the south side of the southest side the right um of the building and and access that play area and that accommodates about 250 children at a time so that's actually a relatively large play area the way it's rendered where you see the blue and the gray the green you don't really understand that's all one play area um and then that doesn't include the softball field which could be opened up for extra run space as well um the first graders play area on the leftest side can accommodate about U 100 children within that fenced in areas and that's based upon 50 square ft per child which is a a stamina for planning purpose assist think we starting hi um I'm Pat C uh I live in W my husband and family have lived here for 49 years our two children have gone through all the school and when we first moved here shortly after is when Hamilton and W regionalized the elementary SPS at that point when we moved here all the children with the exception of the high school went to when and kids went to buer middle school behind yuger and Hamilton one and kids went to Cutler and winra children are resilient I have been subbing in the school since my retirement for many years now at the present I'm at winr in the IL classes those classes are woefully woefully inadequate they're too small there's no bathroom teachers have to take these children who who need to be changed down the hall around the corner um I would invite and I know the principal of lter is here she may say what are you saying come see when school come see where the teachers go to the bathroom come see see it's not that it's dirty it's old and I really and honestly think when I see this that we should embrace it we really should and believe me back in the day taxes were a huge thing too we heard the same thing then as we're hearing now but I want to compliment everyone who's worked on this project um and I really do hope that you'll keep in mind that children are very very resilient one of the best things that ever happened to Hamilton wam high school was when the ess6 kids came whole new community and it was wonderful thank you Steven 18 com R uh Manchester of Elementary C about so um I don't have questions but just uh the nship this is from uh the nsba site um and I'd encourage everyone to go look at that build that's there is the one solution T is build with modified aest assets uh Elementary but uh that was designed so 440 Stillers is 82,000 Square ft uh to give you the uh comparison Cutler 42,000 Square thing in probably should do a now 60,000 square foot and that work to the hel um and I think that's what question you are taking 2013 for for uh students at Manchester Ence from the state and um you know we probably can build that on a lot I been than S what you keep in mind about the school builds is um various communities have done different builds at different tipes the straight up elementary school before the the pandemic was probably 48 $50 million $55 million uh cost escalation is insane right now uh we've seen it everywhere we've seen it any project we do we see it in try to replace a boiler the cost escalation uh added on top of uh just general like I just want to buy a boiler uh you can't just do that anymore the way the the cost escalations work um and they really dramatically increased and I think we'll be able to have a good comparison in Manchester Essex because Essex as many people might know was now also pulled into the msba uh pipeline recently I'll be uh curious to see the cost difference between those two even though they're building two fairly similar size elementary schools so that that cost I would expect would be much much greater than the the original uh cost of the Manchester memor train go hi uh J hacket off W Side Lane and wenom um want to say thank you for all the work you put into this this looks like a fantastic project and I'm curious about how class sizes uh might be impacted can you provide being color around that sure I SL class sizes won't change we will basically take a teacher in their class and drop it in the new building so if you take first grade we have seven first grade classrooms those seven classrooms will fill the seven classrooms in the first grade neighborhood uh we average size across the elementary school at 19 uh which really good narratively our kindergartens right now are averaging 16 which is Seal uh and much needed at the kindergarten level uh give class sizes are low across Across The District class sizes would not change uh in fact they they may allow us to improve a little bit with some flexibility with some of our specialized programs sorry thank you uh Dave Anderson 176 M lenam and they the one plan board um I am we have to consider that um threea whether you like it or not is a reality and Abu is also a reality and when I'm also was bit of good news as its first master plan since 1960 that's 65 years and I'm wondering you know this is certainly a huge Li to get us here for something that we're trying to set but we may be on the Press some demographic changes in handless and and I guess my concern I'm curious how you all have considered this is uh with some of the numbers that were said before also being what's going to happen if we have w studer i mean was the plan you deal with excess was anything worse than when on the first example taking up 34 million said 34 million Le the horror stories again of kids learning A R A tables and candl light closet so great question it's hard to see on here I will become the pointer that's think only way to explain it but the state does require us to have expandability uh located in our design there's one here future expansion and one here which will give us four more classrooms of approximately 22 kids um if you do the math across seven classrooms uh the state number is 23 kids per class we have we uh pushed back and told them we wanted to have 22 Maxs uh do the simple math 7 * 20 is 140 and um this so there some room built in each of the neighborhoods that way when you look at where the 60 kids got to go you can actually put more than 60 kids in there if you did 20 in every classroom but at this point we don't need to it's not a it's not a a thing if you will um we couldn't do that in our parent schools because the the the classrooms are so small uh they're they're undersized and you know I have a friend shaking your head right now saying no please no um trying to trying to get some of those those classrooms of 181 19 2021 in the uh in in some of our rooms is is difficult so um there is a requirement for identifying future expansion and that is been included thaty back on the spot Nick Hamilton um question so it's into the test test War been done they been analyzed by so T start the found design there something me govern all all the reports are on the site okay uh Tri all that so what build is all right they constructed where will be the b space the outside space contr random because right now make up they have Sun I'll be as well but the yeah so if you look at the outline in the old school well actually where where friend Kevin is pointing that's the where the first grade kids would would spell that's area that's a combined play area that gray the blue and the Green Field is a combined play area with that to SP yeah that's part of part of so so the parking lot plan is it goes in in stages for that for that reason so that we can move kids around side as we need to move um safe we want to be able to make sure of that saely one of the things that Noti is if you look the length of the the current school it is actually longer than the new school so there there's more space there than you think and you look at I to walk out there and look around and say oh okay there's some there's plenty of space back here uh but yeah that's part of the consideration of the job these guys will have to do as they plan as they site set up as they uh you know you put up fencing and things like that make sure they're safe think kids still have access to the play Space we we we we run our we would run things probably differently when we don't put any of our elementary schools outside all at once unless it's you know a special day but we generally go out in in groups like um do go in grades we move you know a couple grades at times so R when are me outside uh if this B go through what ratio at that for the card color swims Oney four-year-old we live two B GE if I swim this world would be going the school um just kind of yep so if All Things fall in the plan if if if this passes at Town me we we open up the door we start to go at uh really setting up in uh July because that's when the Morning Becomes accessible and then it goes all the way until uh September of actually August of 2028 is the plan opening of of this building the demo would happen after that um for obvious reason we had to move all the kids out of there and then demo it but yeah that would that would occur probably over the next 6 months or mons to stop demo reconstruction stretch the parking lot redo the l space yeah all the hardscaping will come in after all around the site questions thank you 3 years like 3 years start minut us hi uh laa planter um School Street in Hamilton born and raised in Wenham um what a wonderful Community um showing this is tonight and I think it's a good example for children that Civic engagement matters and everybody's voice can be heard um so thank you Eric and everyone for the opportunity um I have one logistical question for the architecture team um looking at your schematic design of this new space um how big is the com combined uh cafeteria and gymnasium space if the um walls are open um just thinking about how many you could fit with the fire code uh I don't think I can tell you what the maximum am of people we can sit in there but the cafeteria is about 5,000 square ft the gymnasium is about 6,000 square feet so when you open that wall be pretty pretty decent side SPS there great we have done some layouts for seeing in that in that larger are I mean we can preg that out excellent just time to imagine how many we could fit excellent and then um you just touched in a little bit one of my questions my next question was just about timeline and next steps and sort of the decision tree um so thank you for talking through if it does pass in April um can you talk a little bit more Eric following up R T's question from earlier if it doesn't pass in April um what that would mean um in terms of accreditation so elementary schools are not accredited our high school is the only ability that actually gets accredited it is currently accredited um they've done a lot of work towards that and continue to do that uh those Cycles run about every 10 years I think we're in year two of that next 10 if I remember correctly I've been the high school principal for a little while but um the accreditation is only for the high school so accreditation doesn't uh impact ele it does impact people's decisions to move into community so those are things that we think about um and really the the reality of this I'm going to close this out with this I know it's late people have you really spent a lot of time here the reality is as the superintendent of this District if this doesn't pass I'm still coming back again because we need to do the right thing for our children we have a lot of work to do in our schools uh to bring these schools up to date up up to par uh so that we we can attract the best quality teaching staff that we can uh that we can get here and so we give our kids the opportunities to grow in amazing learning spaces as they uh attend our schools in the hopes that they come back and plant roots in our community and continue to grow and continue that Community cycle that we've all depended on through years so I really appreciate everybody's time this evening great crowds tonight it's it's amazing to see you do faces and um I certainly would uh encourage you to go to the website if you have questions there's an FAQ box that you can drop in to the FAQ box and uh we will answer those within usually 48 hours or so and I have one more one more State don't good evening Carman from the wed select board I just want to update to you on the wed site first like to thank the school committee and school building community and the whole design for all the work done in this point uh this when SL Bo of course we got about 2 months left to uh coming up towards the uh town meeting so all our meetings are open to other the comment and we encourage you to come out and also uh we're looking forward to a response from theum finance committee as well as any fation will Comm we've are seen tonight that uh the neighborhood concept is not not facility but the design that we do achieve the neighborhood Concept in this new design that we have green features put into this most importantly because we have two towns we also with one Consolidated building we provide an equal education to all the students in both towns we have an opportunity here to get a big big chunk of State a money if we don't go with this project as presented that money largely goes away it's a one time offer otherwise we have to get back in lives of this whole thing again we hearder renovation versus new build and Frankie renovation just giv you a 90-year-old building instead of a 75y old building and we know if you talk the teachers or staff the buildings the greatest Generation came and buil things back in the 1950s but as Eric said classrooms schools are different today we need to consider especially safety security the advantages of having classrooms that are not all the same size with four desks by five desks and I also wanted to make sure that we understand that I think we ow both our children our grandchildren our great grandchildren they say Mar used that three generations now that that with these schools but these schools are old but old we need to step forward now and have a new school built last night the went select board with all members present took a vote and we were unanimous in supporting this current School plan I hope everyone will come out the tell meeting on April 3rd and vote Yes because it is a major project yes there are some questions on details but understand we need a new school that gives us EXA ofely our school those for us today and but also for another generation of you just like our grand folks and grandparents gave and our parents gave to us so I hope you come out and if there have questions there's as we said open at the boards as well thank you there there go all right one final one final one final I'm going to wrap it up yeah it is um so EAS the last question all Sor follow Gary uh T offure Hamilton 345 B Road I just want to put an exclamation on something that was said earlier um and I think I want to make sure everyone's my Closs thing over this um my experience in elementary school I grew up in SCH how sound for and I think outdoor space is incredibly important for kids in first second third fourth and fifth grades and I don't want it to be lost on folks that if you take the amount of space that these kids have today across three different schools and the available space that they have outside this reduces it and I'm not I don't not how there but I would say it reduces it by at least 80% it's 80% you did a number I think of 50 square ft what 5 by 10 as com what this would accomplish I'm interested to know what our students have today across the three School sites to outdoor play space and it's worth noting too that a year ago on one on January 24th plan that was put forward to the uh MSP did not include any of the parking that you seeing so all these blue parking areas that was all outdoor placements it was open space it's no longer so I'm not sure what happened to remove all and if I'm a child think about this as a kid like is that really all I have access to I'm fenced in on this side I'm fenon on this side there's a softball field maybe I can go and play on but I don't know it doesn't look that appealing as a student who wants to get out and you know get rid of some energy play with friends and I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of the amount of space that we're um confining the students to here on this site it it's not worth it's worth understanding it's worth understanding what we're going from and what we're going to because it's not just about indoor space outdoor space is critical at the elementary school level so that was it thanks thank you everyone again please reach out if you have questions there an fhq box on our website we review them daily to make sure we don't miss any we bring them to back to the team and we'll answer the questions as commen