I'd like to call the meeting to order this is a meeting of the hamton board of Selectmen and born of Health being held in selectman's office on May 20th 2024 6: PM this meeting is being conducted in person remotely using video conference acknowledging please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Amica na thank you is anyone recording the meeting other than ourselves Kristen yes Kristen rivers of the wilham hamton times please make a note first item is minutes of the April 22nd 2024 meeting Let's see we have we they had the mass Autobon president presentation uh we discuss piece police pistols that's an elative liter uh the ham the wilham regional assessment letter dispatch IMA agreement we sent that back for them to look at it Cemetery commission with discussion about the where they were it's on the ballot tonight if anyone wants to write themselves in it's got a few two hours left uh Main Street Bridge cable contract I think Brian just had a conversation a little while ago we'll F fill this in later on the EV charging station it's going forward and what else we got here some reports we will select one of the various meetings motion to approve second all in favor okay the April that be because she gets angry the April 29th 2024 regular meeting okay the MVP from Steve Tyler I'm sure we'll have some discussion about that tonight we had a dog nuisance hearing it ended with the decision that everyone's going to stay off everyone's property uh fire department was in uh with a new call firefighter recruit National Grid license agreement we signed that uh that was for the EV charging station discuss the War articles at the anual town meeting uh Dr hilstein was in regarding a minr land trust and personal grant for conservation land ballot question discussion with the Town Clerk and a discussion about vad which ended abruptly uh I think that was the next one what I think that was the next one yeah yeah yeah this is the one that post this will be postponed Board of Health a report about the perent for residential kitchen I think it was a 5 minute discussion about whose house it was yeah right motion to approve second all in favor I in the April 29th executive session minutes uh this is a um police negotiations this isn't the end of it so motion to approve without release one more after that all right the final one yeah second all in favor right okay the next item we have on our agenda is the Conservation Commission appointment uh she's not here yes she's a great candidate and as you know the two of us retiring we're going to be down to two people and I don't know if that's legal so she comes on we'll be back to three but she's not here so I don't know sure really interested she's like well she said she was she was there last meeting we took a vote at the last meeting and we voted her on pending your approval um and she seemed much willing it's something we've talked about a long time she's had other issues with with family and work that's why she hadn't come on before but those all been resolved so her wish was to come on and she sat with us and we voted her on and she sat with us through the whole meeting you were there um I think you said she's got pretty extensive experience she got a lot of experience I mean look it out of here resume is a little crude because she marked it up but you know she definitely has the background and and the um sure skill set the uh information needed she'd she'd be a a definite replacement for Judy uh because as you know knowing the legal stuff is is tough and the only one who really knows it on our crew is Judy and she would know it without her you don't have anyone that can handle that do you still have an associate pardon do you still have an associate Andrew is Andrew theoretically associate well Andrew wants Andrew wants to be an associate and if he stays at all he hasn't yeah if he stays at all he has written a letter he hasn't been able to come to the meetings but that's your that's what you handle on your own as bacing Associates right right right right right I was just curious anybody was going want to step step into a from asso so right now it's Tom and Craig your other two the other two okay would there be a problem with Mrs Lu being near I don't know how close it is to the project we talked about that was part of the issue before MH and I don't know if she felt I didn't talk to her person if she felt that she's now that the project far enough along that she can do this now I I I don't know the exact specifics I don't know is there and she she I don't know how it works in conservation I know what planning you'd have to get into where you can't join the discussion unless there's been if there's been more than one meeting what's the except mullen's yeah mull exception yeah I can that question I don't think she would be eligible to jump into Glendale that's what I'm war no she can't which actually makes which actually makes the point move makes it so now it's move forward with projects yeah yeah well I'm sorry she's not here but this is a great resume and if she's interested I think we should right right she's very interested great why why she's not here I don't know and she lives here now she moved into her dad's house was that Ed no that was her grandfather okay oh our bus driver our bus driver right yes the only question I have is if we app and she's not here and she decides she doesn't want to take it does she have to submit a letter of resignation if she hasn't accepted it then no she just refuse the nomination or you you postpone the another week I i' I'd rather get you run you know I mean I I'll make the motion to approve wend M Lu to the Conservation Commission for a term of three years three three three sounds good well well I is it is three there three rotates but I don't know if you had a starter at one year or something that's I don't even know where you stand with your CL we have something Brian can look into when he updates the book so well I we just say three right let's say three right now and I'll second that any further discussion all in favor thank you Dad you want to be on conservation long as you're here have time for that t to watch as long as we're on on the topic I would just like to bring up again a conservation agent for the um town oh you're pointing to Bri I don't know how you picked up on you know if Bob left that with you at all where we stood with that the Grammy permits walk away because we have we were getting conflicting reports from gramy all the time gramy walked away yeah did they yeah oh yeah they're officially walked away well I mean halftime they said yes and the next day they say no they officially walked away just before Bob left okay um we if if you if you only have three people I think it's going to be a real diss surface to the community uh it's got to operate near full capacity just because of the workload and the the knowledge you got to have if if you can't fill it then to me in my opinion You' got to get a professional somehow you got to find the money and the means to do it my opinion book now we were funding that or we were looking for what 30 hours 30 hours 68,000 or something like right I mean we were going to take 30 hours and gramy was going to have EXT number of hours well no it wasn't oh it wasn't that much no it was like 24 like 24 and 12 or something so is there any other a budding town that has a part-time agent well if there if there is I don't know I know uh Mr Marco tried many we we went through Lawn Meadow East Lawn Meadow wam m l we went all the way out to Warren I believe I know if you have access to like there were different state groups we we belong to Municipal selectman Association as part of the MMA I didn't know if there's a conservation you could just put an ad out there and or no Bob I'm saying but I mean Bonnie can basically a blast email to every part of the and Massachusetts Conservation Commission MCC yeah right MCCA and Bob did that at the time Bob did to the thing cuz he would have access not the he had access to it through the yeah portal to the portal somewh check it again was a year ago again n months is that where that individual who was interested came from was from that or is that I don't know if he came from that or the Massachusetts is that person still interested you know or is that just kind of Gone by the way last time we knew was interested but he wanted full money right and that's the problem going to run up no you find somebody part-time at part-time money is going to be difficult he was willing to come on he could he could do to Two Towns but he was getting in effect close to full-time money not exact but close enough to satisfy I just wonder some of these companies that you hire for like a TI in bond like a uh F O'Neal or whatever if they have people that are going to be retiring down the road seem like they want to turn themselves into you see it all the time consultants and you kind of wonder if as you keep putting it out there a new crop comes along somebody who used to work and they say you know what I'm going to do this coup of them and and they're all running part-time businesses on their own more that's more lucrative to them than here now we're paying their money instead of what you figure Right Said instead them working for a big company they're working for them themselves back now was some of this money projected to be offset by um fees you're charging for the applications in any way I mean right now when you go out and you hire tyan bond to review the applicant pays for the bill B right we hire so little ourselves mhm there's not enough no there's not there's not enough there to MH if it happens once every other year John no I believe it's always funded by the almost always town do you still have we've done a couple of minor things but only minor do you still have the U write up on the qualifications needed for a conservation AG yeah you know it's it's um prettyy extensive and it's I mean it's everything from doing the the actual paperwork the nois rdas all of that to grant writing to get money to um Outreach to to the citizens um to have workshops and whatever to make them more aware of um you know what's going on and what the Conservation Commission is responsible for and um there's a lot involved to that to that job plus all the site inspections they have to do um you know it's not it's not a simple part-time job and the big problem right now and it's and it's what's happening on on the solar is the storm water problem and we don't have much Direction here it's a little bit of us well that's kind of a question little bit of window a little bit of planning it's that's the question that came up before is like who is actually honcho storm water now Comm to my knowledge we departments here doing a pieces well Wendell does his part Etc Mark looks on anything that affects so there's no Direction that's why planning been sitting in our meetings because it's the only way they can know what's going on with with storm water there's not a central and I think soon or later that's going to have to be you're going I think the only Town involvement I know uh I think Mark and perhaps are the interface to time bom for the ms4 reports which is the required part I think we're five year five or six we're getting close to the end right so but in terms and that's just from our management of our own drain system but in terms of personal projects we don't have a committee per se no we send it along and ask I think Wendell to look over well the B the bylaw the bylaw says that we would do that the select would do the big projects and the when the board The Building Commissioner does the L projects and we have authority again like you do to hire Consultants or anything and to charge the applicant and that the storm water permitting process is separate apart from anything you do in separate part from whatever whatever the planning board does yeah so but trying to keep track of what everybody's doing or saying or pointing at is is difficult because it doesn't see there's not a Cal Point well that's like I said before not to talk about big government but I said before the structure they have in werham where they have a plan dep Bas planning department where conservation appeals build building planning is under one umbrella so at least they share all the same information and then not duplicating duplicating and people don't want big government when it comes to something like solar you want big government because it's the only way you can have some control control over it everybody's got to be on the same right but I mean that reasonable you can talk about big government Poli least it's coordination to some people say I don't want a big government I'm saying something like this when you whether it's the storage units or the or the the solar type stuff you you have to have some kind of control some kind of management you know got to know what conservation knowing is what I mean made point before you know when you have these notices to us here's the check off list who it's going through planning has always had a check off list for applications did I get a report back from the town clerk no taxes due report back from appeals nothing affected there or to help you know so if everybody's on the same page or something like that I think it's hate to say it's a a pin put a pin in it but this goes back to our discussion I brought up for years if we ever move to a different location I think we look at that location and design it so those departments are all contiguous and can be on so to speak easier share of information I'm thinking h-wing but that's okay well 2030 maybe we have it and storm water I mean it's a whole packet for um the solar project but you need to be an engineer yeah you need you need a professional to look at God says you hire yeah you just can't you can't have hobby just look at this the noi for the bridge for main stream mhm for us is 185 Pages double sided no totally but the the the thing is is it's getting so that is so complex now that you're going to find it's harder and harder and harder for us volunteers to do it you got to go to the professional you're going to have to sooner a great example is that is last year the poll thing at uh the landfill again the attorney caught the fact that really the elect the electric company kind of wrote the projected one to service themselves and if we didn't have somebody looking over who knew that stuff we could have been caught yeah just like you you need to turn it over to Samson fuss O'Neal tyan Bond whatever people who deal with it yeah right so it's but you can't but it's not you're not always going to have someone the applicant paying the bill right sometimes you're going to be stuck with it in house you got to be able to handle it so I know we're I we got off of that but any I'll tell m l she's in okay right thank you thanks something I maybe got something to say easy there Chief chair Green Team junk event yep Green Team on team I'm staying we'll see you thank you you're welcome $50 half truck pickup I we did this last year got half a truck we did yeah yes we did they called me at the last robin forette called at the last minute from Brian Ash's office and asked if if we could do this if we would host it at twb um in which case Craig were you the chair at the time or yeah yeah I contacted the chair he said go with it I didn't have time to sit and come before you and say well this is what we were either going to do it or not do it and I was actually like I was hoping he would say no don't do it but he didn't so he did it and it was a huge success very good turnout John showed up um all the politicians showed up they did no I think you're right I think you're right Jake was there Brian Brian was there yeah they did I mean but they also you know backing this so of course they would and I don't blame them um but we had a huge turnout um they took clothing from Big Brother Big Sister our heart Springs the same stuff that is at the senior center and transfer station um they were great everybody they'd give you $30 or $50 for a uh $30 for a dehumidifier working or not which is o yeah we don't usually go through that so basically you have five months to collect them from friends and yeah try around the neighborhood my concern still as last time was heart Springs the senior center still has that deal with heart Springs that they collect money through that but I believe last year they heart Springs used this as their tonnage yes same I will make sure it's the same thing we get any money for it their fee no we did not know there is no fee well the people fa fee but we don't pay a fee no we do not pay a fee at no we I mean we don't get anything from the Fe we don't get a kick back other than the people aren't throwing it on the side of the street somewhere and the highway guys have to go and pick it up and bring it up to the transfer station people at hamon wouldn't do that yeah the ones that drive wam people so ready for that meeting tomorrow AR let's go to a different town yeah um how big was that last time like the parking lot was it packed or was there still it was pretty was pretty busy it was a constant flow yeah and they had organized well they had the line and pretty much you just the line are they are they they checking with the school I mean I would do I did that last year um Craig did ask if we could do a um hazardous waste component to it they got back to me and said absolutely cannot afford to do that and I get it having done many of them it got so C what's the cost on it cuz I I still think that we should do a hazardous waste day what's what's a what do we what we looking at for cost do we know I I would have to price it out I'd have to couple thousand or tens of thousands no there's a company in Westfield that does it yes NT they have one in Sutton and one in Westfield that takes it all they'll even come to your house and take it if you want I'm just thinking back you know minog did one five or six years ago that was us we all did it there were five PBS because one could not afford sometime some metal fire department we held it over there or minog or but you know this is an October do we have time to look into it I mean it's I think it's a valuable service to the residents I mean it's something I've been pushing for years now and you have and I I understand that but I mean we gave it up because none of the towns could afford it right I mean again what are we talking for cost it ended up to be I have the spreadsheets on the total cost I want to say it was in the 30s for all five towns like it was not cheap and then is the lady is she retired or is she still around to help out who you know the AR Miller yeah guys Arlene Miller is not again not doing she doesn't have anything to do with us no the hazard's waste she helped organize that part oh she was the one that told us to stop okay that's what I mean so she's not she wanted no no and she still works for D yes Y no she's great I would I know well I think GRE is I think Greg is right I still thinking maybe this part of Don next time we have a regional select meeting that's a topic you know so I think that would be much more fitting yes but I would say it's a worthwhile cause oh sure do I want to do it no but will I do it yes and um R's there no no this brings up a great segue oh no and since this is in October and we heard the good news oh stop just stop please okay you'll be able to run it also yes I will be able to it's in October did that they do the night out I don't know if that's this weekend or if that's the next weekend we check and we make it so that it is it does happen on this this weekend last year worked great did we do it in October last year yes for I thought it was on a different time yeah all right um the schools insist that it's CLE as clean as before it started and I go back the next day and check and make sure everything's cleaned up and nice and I got to say they walked away and you would never know know it happened and it you were there it created a lot of so this state doesn't interfere they have socer over there check Park I have to check with everyone first do they have kids soccer at twb and stuff like check with par I have to check with everybody first I just wanted to get your blessing before I went ahead and said yep we'll do it so so moved yeah I'll move you're so moved right she's moving she's moving no he yeah fine second all in favor all right I'll let them know tomorrow and I'll start working on it thank you Jan you're welcome uh website update Civic plus we have someone on there or yeah yes can you hear me yes I can the ow right in front of me hello hello everybody hi I'm uh I'm John Pew I'm I'm your account manager so I handle current clients in the Massachusetts Maine New England in the area so uh nice to meet you I've been around with Civic Plus for eight years so thanks for having me for five or 10 minutes um do you want you want me to just get started and kind of talk about this or do you guys wna want to start anywhere I had some questions to answer today so it's up to you go ahead I'll uh do you mind sharing I'm gonna share my screen because I'm going to go over some what what you guys could look like right so uh see here just let me know when you get when you can see your uh I'm I'm going to share my screen and show uh your your current website oh okay maybe uh maybe I'm allowed to share we'll see here there we go I love it when technology works right there we go then I'll give you I'll give you this back so you can see your can you see your site uh the Hampton site yes yes okay good good well uh uh yeah thanks again for allowing me to join so uh uh I'm going to talk to you about a website upgrade today you guys are on one of two uh platforms that Civic plus offers so what does that look like is um four or five years ago we bought a company called virtual town and Hall if that makes sorry about that I got a neighbor uh knocking on my door from some so I'll move on so uh your current website is on a different platform that I'm going to propose today we're looking to move into what we call Central and Central is uh basically a whole separate platform it's a flagship of what Civic plus was founded on for a 25y old website company that that that has grown over the years and uh I'm going to show you Long Meadow because that's a really good site to show you uh it's a has a a central website so the uh uh it's a custom design increased functionality uh a more powerful search uh you go back to the drawing board for ADA requirements and uh sorry I still have a neighbor knocking at my door for some reason um more online capability it goes back into the look for a mobile view um so everything's enhanced the backend CMS is easier to use it's more of a a cut paste drag drop um uh to size appropriately with pictures you can just cut uh uh paragraphs in and size it in so it's it's it's simple to use lot lot easier to use than your current platform and I'll just kind of scroll through here these are kind of service oriented buttons if that makes sense more ways to find information you have a project manager that is going to be uh like we're going to build you a new house right you're going to pick out all the the colors shapes sizes tiles and we're going to put them all together as your contractor uh a more powerful news feature a lot everyone in Massachusetts loves the kind of like left or right look uh calendars multiple calendars is a good best practice um social media you can house right in the front of the website more ways to find information here language selector all that kind of stuff and then where to find you so um NAIC is one that has actually audio ey so you guys are an audio ey client of of ours which is a Civic plus product it's a higher level of ADA compliance so that is fixing the website so your staff doesn't have to with pictures and content and uh going over uh wcag accessibility require M so that box and then it also gives you a toolbar um for that demographic but that's what it uh would look like on a Central site it's the blue stick figure on this one I've I've raised my cursor to look a little bit different um but uh um a ton of different websites we probably have about 50 or 60 uh clients in Massachusetts of websites and I would say probably right around about half of that or Central clients and uh really the the the uh um we call this open druple so this website type the natural gradual kind of progression is to move up to Central because it enhances uh so many of the the the the features and benefits in online capability and more powerful search and easier to use CMS so a lot of your neighbors have kind of graduated to this uh but uh um John you mentioned the mobile version you mentioned mobile version of on the new website does that make it more friendly to the viewer when they're trying to use their phone or tablet uh 100% so we're going to check everything we do in design for a mobile view so uh it'll size appropriately um I could shrink this down like real quick uh I'm doing it right now you can see where the buttons kind of appropriately on anic and if I would open it up like on an iPad um ours is horrible now on mobile yeah so there you kind of see six buttons popped up here so yeah everyone everything's going to size appropriately and then uh when I get on the phone phone view of it uh it looks amazing right so uh everything kind of goes goes back to the drawing board you're going from one platform to the next Civ plus it's actually founded on what we call Central so it's in-house built we've built it uh the search is predictive it's Google like it pulls up it's an x-ray of the website um but everything kind of works in harmony which the platform that you're on right now it's a good it's a good solution it was for kind it was a it was a a lowcost kind of website in a box for smaller populations and it works well but it has a difficult backend uh which is the the Drupal part of it so usually typically in a town maybe one or two people are good at working on the website and the rest kind of given up or ask for help when they want a picture change so uh with Central it's it's a lot easier so you'll see more staff excited to use things and keep your website updated so is is Central more template based um temp well I say custom base but uh at at the same time um sorry there are there is a Rhyme or Reason where we do things right so there's kind of a flow to the website but you get to pick it out very differently uh Plymouth is a great example that had the same platform you guys did and this is about two months brand new they move to Central and look totally different so and everything takes up the screen if that makes sense right that yours currently doesn't so um you know picture hey how big do you want it what what do you want your buttons to look like uh your mega menus are up here ways to find information so we have a way of doing things if that makes sense we want to house a lot of information up here what are your service buttons where why are people coming in calling uh agendas and minutes maybe the first thing they click maybe to find a job maybe you have a huge Park and re Rex department so you want come some service buttons here to get to things quick quickly and then hey news meeting Plymouth has a visitor section in town videos and all that kind of stuff more spotlights hey you know Solid Waste uh act you know active you know center for the uh uh seniors Recreation programs depends on what your strategic goals are so a little bit like a templet but kind of custom approach if that makes sense you had mentioned there' be a project manager um who's responsible for the the content for visual visualization you know photos the graphics you know is that all based from the project manager or do we Supply you know say we want this picture of this for that this for that you know we collabor work supply all the pictures right so you will supply all the pictures um we have uh we can go grab pictures for you if you don't have great pictures we we're very helpful we can it doesn't necessarily have to be a picture it could be graphic uh or something like that um we are going to move your information from one site to the next right so there'll be some homework on cleanup but it's uh the best analogy is I'm building you a house to the side you're going to stay put until this website's built and we're going to move everything over make sure everything goes in the proper departments all the link guess John I guess Frank's question is who does the updating he says okay put put pictures on you'll help us we come up with three new pictures or are we able to put that on or we have to reach out to you every time nope nope this is going to be a uh kind of status quo as you're doing right now right you guys change your content and pictures on the website add agendas and minutes um and all that kind of good stuff you are still doing that they'll be training on the new CMS at the end so we're going to train your staff again hey it's going to look and feel different so there's training but your staff is still changing everything and then we're still there for support you guys have called us in the past multiple times for customer service something's broke I'm stuck Civic plus is there because you have you pay an annual service so um we're your customer service right we're we're there to help and also with hosting and securing it and and and all that kind of good stuff but your staff is still Yes uh updating all the pictures and content if that makes sense is this the thing you already paid for yes partially parti yes okay partially partially par 30% yeah 30% paid for um so you have 70% left um what do you mean 30% probally paid 3,000 bucks right paid 30% of the whatever the original cost was okay but we are paying we got bill for the full 11 yeah okay so which we have to figure out oh it's more than 11 it's like 14 we ow 14 right it's 14 and yeah it's like 14 14928 right but the increase was 11 to go to the basically to the super version we're paying 4,000 a year already for the regular website and now you're Del version with the Audi which is bringing up the bill now is this an annual charge or was this partly upgrade charge um G to be yes so with the website it was at upfront cost of 21,3 26 that's like a build cost and everything together to to get the upgrade um we P 30% so you guys have paid 30% of that so 70% is left over um um so after that you just have an annual service right like year two or what however you want to look at this you have an annual service just like audio ey is an annual well okay what are the two together then um I believe I think audio I is like 41 like 4200 give or take right 40 4200 uh and and in your annual for your website is like 5400 or 5500 so I think someone said around 11 yeah it's probably we paying around 4500 before and now we're going up to 10 grand a year well because you added audio wise add audio ey so on your yeah on your current website you have that audio ey feature so that added 4 Audi was the enhanced version of ADA compliance yeah is there do we have to keep that or can we go back do Ada whatever yeah to be a standard Ada you what are the different versions of audio ey available or Ada implementation if you will yeah okay I'll uh I'll start with audio ey right so uh uh so audio ey you have this toolbar that I can change my cursor contrast color and all that kind of stuff that comes with it you are certified Audi gives you a certification because they are automatically fixing issues on your website so you do not have to and they go up to wcag 2.2 AA this gives you a certification that your website is being checked constantly um that is part of it and then so in the background you don't see it it is when you when your staff updates content it kind of double checks and changes things if it's out of ADA compliance so that's what you're paying for but also to ask do you have to have that no that's an annual service um what I'm saying is when you go over to Central this website goes back through ADA requirements Ada right requirements for digital websites right now is wcag 2.0 so that's what Civic plus will do make sure your your your fonts your colors your text your everything is ADA Compliant right but what we're not doing is we won't give you a toolbar Civic plus and what Civic plus won't do is we will not fix information going on the website because that is part of what your staff has to do over time over time does that make sense no no so there there there's two questions to that so yeah we're talking about Central and it it's an ADA Compliant website but what does staff have to do to maintain that it's ADA Compliant going forward okay good question so the CMS will for example when you throw up a picture you have to have alt tag on a picture to describe what that is so if I have a disability and I I have all the equipment at my house my readers and everything will read your everything that you're doing on the website like this is a picture of the town There's a dog catching a fris in the park right so that is part of what we will make you put alt Texs before you send pictures through so your staff has to do that um also you know we're going to lock down your font and your colors and you know you can't put weird aalis a font with some of your uh paragraphs now Central will check that stuff but um what happens over time like six months a year from now if you're if you're staff isn't watching themselves do things get out of ADA compliance yes because it's hard to say you are 100% compliant but so that's with Central so I think when you guys were with if that makes sense when you were with this site you were looking to improve ADA compliance so you wanted this first was my conversations in 2022 um with the Town Administrator so that's why this was added quickly um so we Master we don't need audio ey because what we're looking to do is implemented if we know how to keep it up to date right it's just a matter of meta tagging everything so it's there on the back end so they they can use the software to read it so does this mean that as part of the Ada thing will the website read documents allowed that are on the website say that again redent what well will the will the website I mean if somebody is visually challenged and they can't read the website too well does this read documents allow what oh does it read it aloud yes well yeah if I have equipment that reads for me like like John Pew on I would if I have a disability in my equipment at my house does that yes it would it would read the website or the website doesn't read itself you have to have the I'm saying so you have to have your own equipment as well you have to have you yeah um so people with disabilities have the equipment on their end and uh you know if you have maybe there's a lot of disabilities out there right you should have headers on um if I just go into uh let's see here Board of Health I'm just going to go into a page like it should say if I want to find Board of Health this needs to be up here uh so my screen reader can read Board of Health right description vacancies member right maybe I that's where I my screen is going to read all this stuff this needs to in order otherwise I cannot find that information right so there's headers that's how the screen reader is reading things that's just one example right so um now our website will help you align all these tools but if you don't put a header in here we have an accessibility Checker that says hey you should put a header here but if you don't do it and just like push the bot and go to the next meeting it won't appear right it'll still launch to the website okay most of the stuff here most of the stuff here that's on our current site you're porting that over to the new Pro new layout right right right and making sure it's ADA Compliant from the get-go yep in in the initial phase after yep when it's released it's you because you're changing content so yeah I just want to be clear you don't have to have audio right is them doing the work to bring it up correct and Mak sure everything's 100% a compant anything that goes forward that we add to it additionally we have to make sure we're you know head alt tagging and all that stuff right so my question is I think you are going that way do we need audio wire at this point I don't think you that's a town decision but I'm just telling that you that you that that's a yearly service site but now it's not needed with the new whoever our Ador you might need a couple kids from Green U yeah this is all basic web stuff all the headers and stuff it's it's it's all template based way they they set it up so it should be pretty easy to straightforward yeah we set this up we have a project manager if you have a team with a vision these are really you know we're we're experts at what we do we've been doing this for 20 years I'm your Co I'm your contractor really as long as you can pick out shape sizes navigation um we'll get you to what you want look like um at you know at the end of the project so all right so is the board thinking that okay we PID for Audi we're not going to pay for July 1st going forward I I would say not renew aioi which brings us back down and then brings us back into the line where we need to be for the website right and we have a current bill that we would work with C advisory to settle up some way by the end of the year maybe long claims thing long claims says 35 in everything right it could if they're not comfortable with that Reserve account has plenty yeah 25 yeah and I think upgrading the website's needed absolutely the back end's horrible trying to add users it's lousy website and you look at it looks like it was built in AOL site Builder from 2000 it needs refreshed it it needs refreshed we'll get you we'll get you there um but um it takes a little bit originally That was supposed to be a slideshow when they saw it to us they said oh you put Seminary picture little slideshow you got it's funny now though when you try to share this sometimes it comes up with just a police station as a picture sh place it all the time okay all right ready I'll stop I'll stop sharing I guess right and then I'll stop anything else I think you explained it a good thank you the thing we had talked about last time a couple you gave us the example of I think niic and Long Meadow if you have two or three other ones I think we'd like to see them as well yeah I'll uh uh I'll send that to I'll send that to Brian I'll send you I'll send you a yeah a bunch that you can guys can click up I I don't want to just go through designs because it's but yeah we got you never know another town might think of something good for their website and we'll we'll steal from anybody you can steal for steal from Plymouth we got we got about everybody on the cape all the way out to Nantucket so uh yeah can that's a nice thing you can like hey I like this one I don't like this one I like this design and you make it your own their programs and their thank you thank you good thank you very much answer your doorbell see what your neighbor wants will you I've never it's a guy I've never met and he rang my door doorbell twice so I better go over solar sales free solar there you go I know something something is duck duck good luck thank you yeah that's what I all right annual town meeting review well let say if they paid our bills that's good all the PRI bills are paid right all bills are paid I guess everybody got their money um again I certainly appreciate the assessors helping us out with the the capital requests and the um in the warrant that was 170 roughly we didn't have to raise through the tax rolls which is good hopefully Mark put the order in for the truck so do we want to start by War articles or you just want to do an overview of what we highlights and low lights let's do low lights audio audio was horrible audio is awful terrible awful and we need to either hire someone or invest the money or it it's always terrible it's doesn't work right you can't hear it's too e too eoy not only that it's too um difficult for the people to come up it's cumbersome for them to walk up the whole length of the thing to you know I I will say one thing and this is something brand and I had discussed I think what made the audio bad was us feeling we had to bring it into Zoom at the same time yeah I think we get I think if we strictly talk about the audio part of it it's a simple solution a couple speakers welld distributed microphones and you not oh how do I feed that into the PC how do I broadcast online no no I think I think we get rid of Zoom because the people who are on Zoom can't vote anyhow we could just videotape it and they could watch it on YouTube they can't vote anyhow they can't participate they can't talk right right we had three people Max we have three people at one time I think it's good for public record to have it wam does have with their school meetings they do they they got the video access YouTube and they tell meetings use Public Access and they're they've got real equipment SOL at all what you need to do you need to hire a technician I think I think we should speak to Mr Solomon about talking to Spectrum about doing some government service work and paying for this so you think Peg access for that I don't know could ask them right they gave $5,000 worth of computers to the senior center they can give us yeah but again I think the and you've been in Tom meetings in the past when we did have decent you know a couple of microphones put out when but pre Zoom days pre Zoom was fine we us all the time mean we couple speakers years and to town meetings 50 years ago I hate to tell you how old I am but four people went the only problem with that location is the reverberations in that world terrible Acoustics we we need sound panels needs to happen in that building to dampen all the Echoes whether you have microphones or not even you talk personally without a microphone it is so echoey in there that you know I have a tough time hearing and I understand but I think pay that kind of money for somewhere where you using twice a year I mean I'd rather go back to betham baptist than ask you know can we use your place even if you need a couple bucks I don't agree with that I don't think we should I don't think we should do in town events and private venues like that I understand your point there but if you're talking looking at a better I think at the balanced effect you might be talking a 10 or $15,000 more upgrade to sound quality for low usage so this this dovetails into our next topic is you know facility usage and stuff like that you know is TB going to becoming more of a central hub for us down the road I mean if it is then what's why would we not try to utilize it to the best of its ability well let's go what I've been talking about for eight years plus that we need to get off the dime and fair what we're doing with them you were styed in your planning committee you guys had a great look we got to get going and all of a sudden boom roadblock froze in and yeah because they can't make a decision right or well not everybody but yeah they let you're not going to get 100% of the people along and it's got derailed I I really want to get into that conversation but let's just say we we need to focus on audio and we need to do something I definitely need do some that okay that to me that was the worst thing of the meeting we we need to speed things up uh I we should use the consent agenda I mean there's a lot of them one well well we have a lot there's a lot of things on there that I just wrote things that we do here like you don't hear the annual reports you don't uh the the uh what the revolving the revolving funds Library the library money accept the library the Conservation Commission we accept the conservation committee we accept the accept the RO chapter 90 money from the state you know those are things we do every single year they just wrote Things the routine clean up business and a lot of towns will say Okay items 135 seven and8 are consent Agenda One motion to approval and it moves it along can you do that yeah wilham has got 15 of them on their consent agenda oh really you don't have to take you still no you still type them all out you type them all out bring them up for one consideration one consideration right you say the consent the consent agenda is items one through their thing says the consent agenda is items 1 through 15 right they make a motion to accept items 1 through 15 MH and they're all wrote you know things you all accepted or all rejected all accepted or all re rejected right and then then and I think they have like like we would have our stabilization fund which we never do anything with now you know spend free cash we always wait till the fall well when you say rejected I think all accepted you or we're going to bring them up individually right or the moderator the moderator could take ones out if if it he thinks right you know so I mean that that's spe speed up thing but I think the you know not to get into it but to understand they're still explained in the war they're still all I could do one we're going to bundle these first five and how do you feel about it you know and the other thing that I thought we could do was like a lot of times do is wave the reading of the article so instead of the moderator reading the whole article and then one of us or someone standing up saying I make a motion to read the same article that well we've done it before when you've had motions for like zoning changes we're not reading 10 pages of zoning changes right right but that's the exception but you could do it all the time then you can do it for all articles you basically he's asking put a last permission yeah everybody good with it yeah 2/3 I think on two3 votes we should just automatically either go to a hand count on all two3 votes or everyone stand up walk to one side of the other yeah that's what you used to do used to do that used to do that who oh well there's no you got your hand off Dal Philpot used to do that everyone's for IT stand the that side everyone was against it stand the that side quicker that would speed things up I think the other thing too is um a lot of and I've heard a lot of people um in within schools parents and stuff like that that can't go because one that they don't have child care and two that they know the meetings aren't going to go for hours on end so if if they can know they could dedicate an hour and a half to a night and possibly had child care there You' get more people involved and then the other option is wilham does theirs on a weekend is that something we should explore too well that's what I mentioned before that was one of the recommendations in the computer in the government study report yeah and I felt it should have been in their top five rather than the next next look at to me if we're looking to get better participation in town government Town meetings we don't see and Craig and I have seen this for years you know we don't see the youth coming to a night meeting they're just not and to change that because the date and time are set in the town bylaws which typically are modified only at annual time meetings you need to be proactive I really wish they had brought that up for this one because then it would take effect next year now we're talking annual that could only be done at annual typically it's done yeah I mean but there might be something specific to the fact you can't change election or town meeting it has to be at an annual town meeting that might be stay low look at that maybe have to look at and the other just a minor thing is just the housekeeping thing I thought thought I thought maybe in the beginning the moderator should introduce the people who are at the tables cuz I got a couple of people who approached me and said who did who did Rick go talk to that he changed the vote you know and it was the you know Town Council maybe they said they didn't ask who you were that my disgu I I've been hiding out anyhow the last few days especially him how many people don't know him you know nobody she can can see the advisory committee is over here you know the the the Town Clerk and assistant Town Clerk and selectman and the town counil at the you know that's all the thing that um that Brian and I noticed was a big issue was the Wi-Fi that kept dropping after an hour you'd have to resign back in because they're they wi-fi system only good for hour is that something in the school system something new that they hadn't had before it was their Wi-Fi client their guest access after an hour it times you out and you have to Li buck in because they only gave us the guest account rather than the secure account yeah right good thing it happen us cuz our meeting the other day was two and a half hours so that that's what you got what you got particular on on audio Yeah I've done a lot of work on audio but and I don't I'm not an expert by any means but I do pipe music into the swimming pool over at the gym that I go to three times a week and one thing I learned over there is this Jim has got a bubble on it and the person that comes in there there on Wednesday tries playing music on one little bitty speaker I come over there and I got about 300 watts pumping music the key to making and getting rid of the reverberation is putting a lot of small speakers in that room it don't have to cost a lot of money but a lot of small speakers okay and not have them turned up loud but loud enough so that the volume goes from me to John and no farther and then have space out I think that will help to a point I still think the reverberations like even just vocally thinking it's very tough to hear well you hang curtains in that's easy enough the presentations what what shows up on the screen reminds me of when I went to the CEO and was presenting my budget for the Northeast and my numbers were bad that's how I presented them so that nobody can read them when my numbers were good and I wanted to sell a $10 million Project M that entire screen from side to side in color if if you pop up a PowerPoint on there like like you you had on there when the guy was on here a few minutes ago fill the whole thing up get rid of that header up on top get rid instead of using PowerPoint maybe use something like word or Excel to fill it again some of those were private I want to say privately done you know we don't control what certain groups come in we also are using all the technology that's School related wasn't any of our technology the screen is the screen it I think it was actually better cuz herb moved it back yeah and it was actually darker from where it was so you can see it better than past meetings right yeah there still too much dead area on side of the street I think the easiest thing we can take care of right now is a better sound system I mean if we engage hey this is where we just talked about there are C they have a couple bucks left in them you know we're going to need it we know that we're having the special time meeting in September October why not look into it now do we um do we invest in equipment or should we look into a company I think get equipment because I mean there are times we have outdoor events that we may need a better speaker system he Don we've had uh you know I can do a quick interrupt last year for tomorrow day that it was awful but we don't Supply that I thought I thought the BFW brings their stuffff well I don't I don't know where it comes from but it was awful yeah I think it's BFW it was hard to hear anybody speaking yeah oh I would be interested in seeing what a professional would do short term and I I would like to see it a professional dos too because then again we're going to be responsible for setting it all up and everything else no Brian's going be responsible for setting it all up yeah yeah well both here's a quote from a company here's what will cost us to do it twice a year right we put and give us the code for the real Wi-Fi I mean we can fun it if we need to bump up town events maybe this is falls into that category sure right anything to say about the warning article oh I so I think's talking about I think we should set up a meeting with the moderator and go over some of these things and see what he thinks because he R the town meting and the clerk maybe should be here too well was just said wait I mean you're making an assumption that you know re-election is happening yeah we don't know if he's going to get reelected we'll see we see we'll see who gets reelected moderator we'll talk to the new Moder too hi see you so all right anything to say about the warant Articles anything no I was talking about rip not you no other than that I think I thank everyone for it was a good attendance what was the final number two something was a good turnout a good turnout yeah again I think uh if we shorten the meetings we can get longer engagement from people too doing some of these things the choic is also if you're going to make a change nothing says well if we're not going to change the day to the weekend nothing says you can't at least make it 6:30 because the think seven is like going back in the old days and 6:30 is a little more realistic and I'm not saying six I'm saying 630 and and again I think if we're going to do that we really need to consider child care that's fine in the past yeah some somehow we've had that in the past time where the Girl Scouts have volunteered things like that I remember when we had the school vote probably for minich the building and stuff you know some of the groups local groups offered from minog to do child care in some of the rooms so actually we need the scouts again selling in the in the lobby that's what we need project updates fire station where with that we just got their money so now we have to discuss it you know I think now maybe we could talk on that twb concept of yes are we going to get that I think we need to press the school department I agree 100% need to put it on their plate say we need answers from you and we need them now well that's the thing that's why I said you know we need an assessment of the building are we buying a pig and a poke I don't think so but I think we already have I understand that but we know the number here right if we're gonna say the worst case four million and the number's two years old now yeah so that's our starting thing is it going to cost us less than four to go to TV need a roof parking lot needs help but they would need work anyhow it's still even if you paid the work here you still got to replace that roof we're lucky Don I think that you were probably on the board the last time the school board look this place is not 888 compliant twb is 88 compliant 100 it's not quite but most of most better than here oh yeah no question and single floor everybody said they let to go in they would have to do this on restroom work for adults because it's for made for I'm just saying you look at the back there you know you recall there were offices in the locker room area for Park and wreck could use them instead they have a separate entrance door to those offices in the back convert the kitchen to maybe park and rec so they got the back half of the building the right half on the golf course side has a couple of outside doors I believe so if you're talking to an Department like you said before are there departments that work different hours than the town hall they have they can be separated off you already have a library there right Library there there's there's that could solve a lot of problems a lot of space issues a lot of need issues you know but but we've been stiming we've been kicking this is something that's we've had a pin in for I think Don said it best you know maybe we consolidate one large project instead of supplementing tons of little projects I I think we what we should do is we we should send a letter to the school committee or probably to the to the school committee and say look we want to meet with you and have a serious conversation about what you going do with thurg just and just tell us what your plans are so we could make plans because they they they kind of did remember the round table meeting we had with them they told us they were pulling programming and that they they're taking the transition transition sending them to the high school but you also had a concern a couple of weeks ago saying why aren't we considering 56 in that building and 78 I mean that was my other idea too I mean if I think they need a school 56 Junior High 78 middle school but again that would be a curriculum change because right now I think it's one through five is elementary and then it's 67 that also requires a regional agreement change did a regional agreement change because they can't send six as well so that kicks in that takes at least a year if not two right to do an agreement change cuz you got to go to the point is we're not waiting around 2 years to figure out what they want to do we need to pull them to the to the wagon now and say well fish or cfee but they can't they they had a plan they had a blessed plan yeah just in the short term though let's say that things go forward with the senior center MH and they start renovating that building in 2025 ear 2025 where the program is going to go they said my mean the twb if possible but if we don't fall back is to the question is I mean even without the the I guess senior sped program I'm sure utilization is maybe and correct me if I'm wrong seaall they're not going down hall with anything down there three rooms three rooms maybe three rooms they're the ones where you know they have sinks and they can s anart so if you want to move the senior Cent you give him Hall with the separate entrances and boom what the square footage of this place here and the senior center all fit in there I I do too and then if you need something for sixth grade or seventh grade oh no put them in the existing Senior Center uh yeah why for for one class and six people in it oh no that's not going to happen no I mean that's I mean if you're ever going to do something for more students you put the the projected Wing you can stick another wing on Green Meadows but that would be that would be totally it the seic would handle it the biggest detriment to that would be the cafeteria is wicked small what you going do with traffic though if you added another I me a zoo now I think there's a certain neighborhood will some another parking lot but there you double deck if I may um not you I I talked to Don about this that um before you do all your planning that and including the regional Amendment you have to you have to have the freedom of using that that room building again we have to get that back for that's absolutely right and I think there renting it for a dollar or something like that dollar years do you remember Dr Bon tempy uh wanted to give it back to us do you remember sure we said No at that time yeah we said no well I think we need to said no I mean bill is wanted to give it back for the but I don't think that on our end well it was a different board it was a different Bo and we're pretty either fresh or we were still in litigation at that time so I think we're still I think the town was still litigation at the time we couldn't even really consider it right but I think it's different it's a different just just to close this out I think we should send a letter to the school committee saying we'd like to meet with you to you know to have a Frank discussion about the future of Thor Virg we just see where we are but you from the planning committee here's my question you what do I say every planning committee we can't do a damn thing unless we change the agreement and do something with the understand are you are you sticking with the plan you recommended or do you feel that the school committee told you to go back and bring something fresh to them I I I couldn't quite get you know if they weren't supporting you what are they telling you to do I think they ran with their tails and stuff I think the school committee I think the school committee uh to be honest I think the school committee got frightened by the push back and couldn't make a decision and has no intention of making a decision they got frightened by push back and I understand people you were there people got up and spoke against the plan and I respect them for doing it I respect them for doing that's all was there was that was a very small minority of the people affected you might say well how come the didn't come because they were fine with it why it doesn't matter the mistake that they made was instead of sticking with mistakes the the original cling of changing the regional agreement right they decided that what we have to do is give everyone the options well no the plan should have been Chang in Regional agreement and now we can discuss the options cuz we have some flexibility they have no flexibility to do anything they can't even move excuse me they can't even move their let's say for instance uh Su Road population way down they couldn't even take sixth graders out of the Middle School to move them there because it says it has to go well Don isn't this how you offer dinner to your kids take it or leave it right yeah Comm your choices I guess I guess you going to bit hungry do you want to authorize the chair to craft that communication to the school department I don't think it's much more I don't want to go too detailed I think we'd like to be with you discuss the future and don't my question should have come from Don though I think it come from the board we're all concerned I'll write the letter we'll sign it if I can add one more thing is that um that building can not be mixed use of schools and then public facilities um right security and safety issue I've heard people say oh we can put you know the students on one end of the building I don't see that it's got to be either public closed to the public during the day like it is Clos campus right all right we'll do that and like you said really hold them to the yeah hold them to the accountability make them do something we don't need the dollar we really don't we give us the dollar anything on the senior center wait for the vote rent yeah raise the rent agement too actually know that's the Le it's contract so no the least we have town townhous I mean that's the same question right there Senior Center we wait to see what happens with the vote I I think if I could speak and Don I appreciate your comments online I think we all had comments to bring I think looking at the vote today in my opinion the vote would be an endorsement of going forward and bringing back a plan or better understanding of the finances or a revised Finance number yes we appreciate the work you've done and yes we acknowledge there's a need but either people voted against because they didn't understand it enough they didn't agree with the explanation or it didn't agree with the number and those are the things you need to address if you want to bring It Forward again but a yes vote today and I'm speaking anybody because I pretty much p WS are closed would just allow and we know about the timing issue and that to me a yes vote today helps us with the timing I sent Brian an article for another town wasn't Deerfield was it Bel Town Bel town where they actually were doing a project they had the T the town election vote first and then went the town meeting afterwards for the actual funding number I gu well today just okay we're willing to hear you again I I again I have two there's two separate thoughts number one is I can't do that I think I think the senior I think people have to understand that the senior sliner no vote was not about we don't like seniors or we don't care about seniors it was about we don't want to spend that kind of money as we better for that's that's what I don't even think it was I don't even think it was the money factor the as much as where was that money going exactly I was going to say and the other thing is the presentation and I'm now I'm speaking from I I I'm going to put my other hat on I taught Communications and public relations at Emerson College for 5 years and their presentation was terrible and I couldn't understand why the senior center director couldn't say we have 30 people for lunch every day it's just counting people they have to order their meals before they go in there we have 30 every day we have 20 people who come to the blood pressure Clinic we have 10 guys who come every Friday and play Pitch you know why they didn't have those numbers she had no clue of numbers and I don't understand why someone didn't have the numbers to say the roof is going to cost 200,000 the parking lot's going to cost 500,000 the uh the addition of the new office is going to cost a million uh and the constructions 2 million the soft costs are 300,000 for furniture and stuff like that they couldn't answer those you know I it's s the 15 page report or you should have gone to the Forum well they didn't go to the Forum so they're asking you now please help us out and they couldn't answer any of those questions they couldn't and I don't understand why you can't have why you did that know how many people come to lunch every single day when they have to order their lunches in advance it's just a matter of counting yeah I don't recall I don't recall those questions but I think your point is correct that a presentation could have been better no question right and the AR excuse me and the architect should have stood up and say well you know we're putting on this room and it's going to cause X number you know everyone understood I think one of the things was the fire suppression system well obviously if you're going to build a building you got to go by compliant you got to do the Ada stuff well everyone knows that done you're stuck with that but I from a personal view I think they could do a few things a little bit cheer it could be could be wrong welome the financing you Ted obviously has talked about the friends would like to help in obviously there's a push towards grant funding and it's almost like it's almost like I hate to say it a bit analogous to the fiber before where here's this big number but that number is not the number the 6.6 is the top end but when we go out to finance it's probably not going to be there but but that's all you see I understand let me finish them okay but everybody sees that number and like you have to borrow that oh my gosh it's like we just asked about the water thing we're saying 1.5 yeah but it's not going to be 1.5 then why are you saying 1.5 well sometimes you have to put a top end on it even though the number you come back with because water is going to be closer to one that it is 1.5 by the time we put in arpa ETC and people ask me why are you borrowing 1.5 we're not 1.5 we there's a contingency like you're saying that's my point so that's a hard thing to get across and the committee's going to meet again if the direction of the Town says you know you need to sharpen your pencil or make a better case then that's what you do right yeah they can make a better case uh you're not going to save a ton of money because you've got so much cost in the fire suppression and so much cost in the restroom that taking off one room here one room here maybe 3/4 of a m yeah still 34 of M well I understand but there you know there if if you look at the social media people looking to do it for two it ain't going to happen not no well the original you got more than that just the in the infrastructure or stuck with well materials aren't getting any cheaper either the original was around two and a half but that was a smaller expansion even WR because that was two years ago and the other excuse me but the the other issue the other issue was that they didn't give the financial appeal they gave the emotional appeal you have to be nice to seniors well I'm an old guy too you know a lot of people aren't nice to me you know you got to you got to you got you got to you know and you know this is about you know nobody said that all L this this this is no this is about you know they've paid taxes yeah well I paid taxes for 54 years in this town too you know and they're also going to and the seniors are also going to pay a share of this as well you know it has to be factual this is how much it costs this is what we're getting for our buck and maybe we can pair it down this is what we can do this is what the friends of the senior citizens are going to donate this is what the capital campaign is going to be this is where hope for a grant we may get maybe get this down to 5 million and therefore you save the million bucks that's where it's got to go so just if you took that five mil and you took the 4 million to rebuild this that's 10 million could you put all of it at tww that's where I want to go so well maybe that's part of the what when we finally get into when we finally get into the uh funding the study at twb maybe that's part of the charge we give them so but going forward again the building committee is going to be meeting in early June they'll have a sense of where the vote went Etc and what direction they're going to go forward if and this is something that's responsible to our board say they're going to want to go and come back with a revised proposal for the fall and maybe there was a no today what do we do about an election for that I think you know that's something the board will have to talk about going for I think waiting all the way to May might be from October might be a little yeah I don't know what you do then then you're in the same position special election right you don't have I don't think it would be prudent to have it at the presidential that would be too confusing no no if this have a passes today is there a limit time limit when you can have the next oh no they no first off here other thing this can come up again there's no moratorium on the question not like a planning a zoning thing right so this could be brought forward again but there's no time limit the only thing the only says says Ted is a reasonable time oh so I don't know what that means all town meeting reasonable but there's another section that says if it's at if it's at a special is a special meeting then it has to be the lecture has to be within 90 days or something like that so but a reasonable time and I I think the fall meeting is probably a reasonable time time it's the spring one if it was y today and then fall but if it's no today and then Falls the first thing what's reasonable for the election following to certify if you appropriate a special then you have to have the election in 90 days because now that's the special but the thing is chist Big Ticket items in the Box typically we don't but we're even talking potentially the the firehouse you now we were thinking the RFQ might come back and that might be on the thing we were talking about phase B for water possibly in the fall right Poss yes it's up in the air yeah right so again I I think the point was made after last year's fall town meeting when we had some people questioning why we were doing that we're into does okay so we're waiting for the vote oh here's another thing that brings up a good point special town meeting is not bound by the town bylaws if people are concerned about us spending money we can schedule that special time meeting for a Saturday oh okay and people look now we've moved the special time meeting to a day we feel as anybody can attend at that point you're almost like we said this before if you can't get involved we've made it as easy as possible what H you want from us well just say that's an option too no I I think that might be something reasonable to explore right CU then they can't say look you know we got child care we have it on a Saturday we are going to you know the gym will be open kids can sh Hoops whatever so just on that topic I mean I have a couple thoughts too I mean I hate putting people in boxes and demographics and stuff like that but I talk to a lot of people in the school with kids and stuff like that swarts pickup lines and the the questions that they brought to me for the last couple weeks were why is it not a community center and I I know people said oh well you we do events there but you know I I look back at minutes you know June 13th 2022 you know I proposed the idea that cig suggested the town could use a community center and the library could use more space and perhaps the projects could be incorporated together and then I brought it up again in February 21st 2023 the the idea Craig asked about the possibility of a joint project involving a senior center Library inviting Becky morard and Ellen morard to discuss the possibility of working together on a joint venture I think and I still honestly think the joint venture project makes a lot of sense because it alleviates a lot of problems down the road you know the the long-term projects that we have coming up this building the space the library the twb if we can find a way to get everything Under One Roof or annexed somehow we open us up to more more possibilities I mean this building is is strapped you know how are you going to fit them all into the there's no space at the current s Center to put the library there well that was my point of when we built this project if you sold it as a community center maybe it would have passed flying colors that you putting a library in there you're creating progam space how there's not now right yeah well even with that the addition you couldn't put the library in there nobody nobody looked into it though so maybe they could have made space well it was looked at and the idea was at least anything I thought I do was that it would be a two-story building but the building isn't built to be a two story building did arit look at it between no cuz it got squashed before that ever and it should it should have been a consideration my because the land space would would silot boundaries in the wetlands but the remember you came back and said you go all the way back to this the police station and the meeting you said we had all that room we could go all the way to the police station no you can't there's too much what L that's not what you said in the meeting there's a finger that comes out that a finger that comes out back where they're going to put your dad's thing right yeah yeah you can so but again going back to my point still if you're going to put 5,000 square feet additional on now let's make it it could have been 10 it could have been a little bit more but then you for 10 did the engineer say the at least anything I understand it's almost that with the addition if it goes is almost taking the available Square available square footage of property but that addition is about 5,000 square ft no about to seven but whatever the number is but there's if we're expanding to put the seniors in there there's no room to put library in there has research and then you got the and then we talked about the parking because the whole point is we the seniors need it where you going to put the library second floor the building is not at least the last thing I knew the building can't hold a second floor the money you're going to spend the it the building the building now is 7,000 uh just under whatever liit just under and it was going to go to 12,000 so that's 5,000 more feet so 5,000 on floor one another 5,000 on floor two 10,000 if they can do it but the last thing I but it's not but it's not a it's not 5,000 together it's something at the back some here if you're saying the addition will build strong enough to hold a second floor because the original current building but you don't have the parking for both function you don't have the parking we fill up the parking and we have to overflow the church as it is now at times so when people come here and they have to park down the park I mean same same concept no I go back to the same thing I mean we have this building like you talk about and I've said this for years Thon Burgess with a built in library see now you're duve tailing into my point no I've said that before that's why the town hall at the Thornton Burgess again consolidating the building department into One Wing Library gets that whole space there parking W has the back maybe you convert the kitchen into park and wre offices I think they have the separate door leading into the kitchen in the back anyhow so here's my concern is this project turns into the next police station and now we have an empty vacant building that with no dispatch and we spent all this money on it where we could have thought oh a little bit further down the road and had a little bit more creative Insight what project the police station what project turning into the police he he's not going to have any lack of question everybody my my my point is nobody had the foresight down the road to think where we were going with the police station we built this great elaborate building and an now and now and now it's not utilized to its full potential that it was designed for my thought is if we could think strategically we know we want to go here let's think creatively so we can incorporate all these ideas so we're not oh this year we're going to do a project here oh we have to fix this project there oh this one's going to be scattered over there somewhere and then oh we're looking for space for this there needs to be a planning committee why don't master plan maybe or something so that effect well why don't why don't you invite your invite yourself to the the next building committee and ask him about a second floor I presented it to the building committee and what they say um it was shot down in the minutes I presented it to Becky and I presented it at of our meetings when they were here you know multiple times these are just two examples it's been at multiple selects meetings where committee members were here and I proposed the ideas and I kept getting no okay we'll look into it well the focus was just stct from the seni correct it wasn't it wasn't a focus as a community center no and that was the charge that was the charge the community was given well but exactly but that's charge by who though I brought it up and it was it was I was looking no I was looking at the senior center for the next 25 to 50 years yeah to serveice the when I remember Don said the 25 to 50 I remember you said I was planned to live that much longer yeah yeah should be about right as's a pharmacist he knows where to get the right stuff but the overall point is and I think Don's said it before everybody gets stuck in their silos and we need to start being creative about our approaches to to town well yes some of the approaches we've been talking about for years aren't the wrong approach and I think we go back to the focus we have here bless you bless you um bless you laughing um me too just I think we're all on the same page we got to look ahead but I think if we had to put I want say eggs in one basket because we got the fire station basket there but to me the biggest thing on our plate is Thornton Burgess and we got to get some decision of what we can do with the biggest property the town owns because if we know where we stand with that that opens up other avue you talk about whatever okay but if we had that you have more cards in your deck yes so to me that's where our Focus needs to be okay I think we beat this to death I think so too let's talk about let's talk about next week like Vadar I got put that back on well first of all we got to get the computer installed I wasn't bringing that up by up tapes uh that was you so that's me the two things I asked about um the law apartment the the in-law department they we passed the bylaw the Attorney General rejected certain portions of it they allegedly amended it back in November 2023 and I don't know if it's a poster effect or not yeah my original understanding was and hav done this before basically what they rejected you strike that part you did actually not have to take action at a town meeting because what they approved right is the bylaw and you put that in your bylaws okay you don't need to accept the a G's Corrections cuz they weren't asking for your opinion they were giving you theirs yeah yeah so what they told what they red line coming back is the bylaw okay yeah well my point is is it been posted so it is the bylaw or is that needs to be done or the clerk have to do something like in the like if if the AG didn't say something then it comes into effect when the um post it so I don't know if it's been posted so she posts the red line copy that's basically they knocked out some of the family members they were questioning oh just the long list yeah yeah the long list of family members and uh should we approach the planning board about the battery energy storage system sent them a note saying we'd like to you look at this or go to the meeting and ask them I can bring it up I got a meeting this because Rose sent them some samples of different towns different towns so I got a question on maybe you have the answer since we technically don't have that bylaw we can't still deny it right is that what I understand the ruling the Tracer Lane decision was that you can't deny if it you you can't prohibit it in all act of town and so what happened was I think it was the town this is a very odd thing but I'm probably I probably have the towns wrong so I'll say to town a built a solar project Town B had the access road to the solar project Town B says we don't allow access roads to solar projects or battery stuff in our town the developer went to court and the court said you can't unilaterally ban any particular thing regarding solar of the entire town so and was was the road right so the Attorney General's been using that to interpret that if a town doesn't have a bylaw like our our bylaw says if it's not in there you can't have itoh by Omission prohibited by Omission but the Attorney General says you can't do that because it's essentially blocking it in the entire town and you can't block it entire town but it sounds like what you're saying Trac L it wasn't even it was the access road in one town to a had no relevance to the actual battery storage ER too from what I remember the the company that I saw wanted to build battery storage for pulling off the grid right not from solar to store it sell back it well that's what that's what a big battery storage is You Pull It Off the Grid in do time we're not talking about the battery storage associated with the store right Pull It Off the Grid on low use store it in the batteries feed it back and then then when they need it you pump it up just like Northfield up up where they pump the water up to the lake it has nothing to do with solar is my point no it's not no so but it's treated the same way treated same way because it's energy consider they considered a green energy facility because you're storing the energy using it later and so many of the towns most of the towns have the have tiers so they have tier one is you got a battery storage for your house you can do that XYZ tier two is battery storage Associated to a solar facility tier three is a battery storage associated with taking the power off the grid any so back back to you I have a meeting planning board meeting on Wednesday I'll bring it up and ask where they want to go with that right now they're concentrating on hopefully bringing Kibby Lane to the fall so is this one of those things that they can reasonably regulate like yes reasonably it's just like shoulder you can you can't stop it but I think there are a lot we can pick from may already approved right around on one on one on Allen Street and one on East Long right because they're both under the power I think we we just got theirs approved what we did is they banned them they banned them they they prohibited them in in all the districts except commercial and and business and they got away with it and they was aov because they allow because there's it's allowed in town you can't just say you can't have it in town but since we don't have much of that right will it hold water it will I'll tell you here's the example we used back when I was on the playing board adult uses if you didn't allow them anywhere they could go anywhere so we allow them in light industrial which I think is represents a one square acre partial in town but hey it's allowed so does our current zoning bylaw from commercial to um industrial change that and what uh just the the map layout I'm trying to try to remember off the only commercial is Commercial Drive okay is it CU I wasn't sure if the business station was still considered commercial or not it's never been considered it's always there's a business and there's a commercial I know when we were looking at and there's a little light industrial which I think is wal blacks we were talking about you know the storage units that's I think but I think that's listed as being business what was the one was up on North Road that was something no North mson you're thinking North mson not yeah not North Road excuse me North mson that was when the town was the whatever a little strip from uh the 1880s Sawmill leather leather shop but um and then I think that guy had that car dealer at the to was a car deer yeah anyhow so I'll bring it up Wednesday okay Spectrum trying to do haven't heard from that guy in ages bless you what you got to say yeah um he's going to uh prepare a memo for the board by next Monday to give you the results of the analysis of the charter bills um and he'll list next steps then okay it took him an hour and a half to tell you that CL too Memorial Day Parade uh it's on Memorial Day this year 27th so they say starting at St Mary's what are we wearing casual Jane has ordered a red white and a blue shirt we get to pick which one we want are we have the crest on it we don't get our names I don't care if we were the fire department the highway department we have want Union all right so we're marching right we have we have no rule well I did mention back to him you know look if we're speaking it's you speaking um so ERS out later don't they or what is here yeah what it say what am I saying yeah you're doing the welcome he had last year here you're doing the welcome this is the last year's thing last year's here no that's the March that was last year's March yeah how how how so what what what I got like 45 minutes yeah but you're going to do a slideshow you said right yeah we have much better picture we'll get the same projector same Pro yeah exactly Craig Craig and I work the crowd we'll hand those some the Ops and stuff we'll live streaming for you I believe they're also closing remarks you need really yeah see you later we'll get a hot dog of a night for yep I saw Mark put up the flags he did uh my suggestion make sure he remov the flag holders from the St stub po St po all you go they come take the old Pole away and take the flag with are those the same size flags as before I thought we were going to get a bigger flag the problem with the bigger flag we tried a couple and it just hung there it was you know it's too heavy to Flap and oh yeah yeah he got a couple out for samples he put him out there just yeah who's the MC um it's either Heath or Jared I thought not Jared no jar they I mean they'll command he's going to do the pledge of Le the Pledge of Allegiance and national anthem and invocation right I guess nice but uh I think I saw Jack a little while ago by the way he's got to be pretty proud his son's coming that was last year yeah but I'm saying you know coming back just to uh did he com back yeah yeah he looks good too ja look good that's on my rocking [Music] P I lost my not the Garden Club is the lay the wreath this is last year right I know we don't have an agenda for this year no that wre thing got a little screwed up last here we are here they sent us the agenda on Friday last year the line of March got the line of March police what they need do hopefully having somebody at St maryy to organize this CRI first year wasn't so good last year was a lot better it should know they really they cut back on the commercial vehicles I think last year which really helped ell morard is going to be on a bike oh there are you suggesting the board do that also Library bik is that it I don't know speak on that thing then we got sounds like an accident waiting to happen let's see I think I think action's in the parade basic not to say we don't pull hamy that Hill coming up from BFW little wagon run what you want to get your own bike is that what you're saying all right we'll see what happens my dad's dad's convertible you want I used to have a convertible they also had here too okay uh summer meeting schedule I think what we've done in the past you know technically we're supposed to be going on every other every other but but if something happens we're there right well I almost think I almost post everyone and cancel every other one no no no no no no last year we I think we we only can I think I think we only canel one last year we had but we had one we week after I'd like I'd like to set a schedule like we do and follow it this year cuz it helps planning vacations and summertime activities vacations absolutely who is this guy the young people you know I know John you like having these meetings every week it's fine it's cool I I enjoy seeing you too all right so starting after the fourth so the fourth is a Thursday so the eth so if we do say 8th 22nd I'm just trying to look at the coming back for Labor Day so all right so if we do the 8th 22nd then 5th 19th and that would work right into September 3rd on a two-e schedule right so we'd have two meetings in July two in August last year we got screwed up because one was a five five week you want to meet on the third skip you just want or you want to start back on the 9th you think we need that extra week I I think again when when's Labor Day the second so we I'm just hesitant to go with two off weeks that's all all right so we'll do the we'll do the third right go right back after Labor Day and don't forget don't wear white because it's after your labor day oh jeez where your bucks a well the only other way in if you want to do it the other way you know say you want to take Labor Day weekend off fashion F we go back we meet July 1st Which is far enough away from the holiday anyhow 1st 15 29th 12th and 26th and then we don't meet until September 9th and that still keeps a twoe gap but we don't interfere with Labor Day weekend either way yeah if we do July 1st then the the two we rotation but stays away from July 1st 1st 15th 29th right we got this 1 15 29 12 12 26 and yeah okay speaking of the fourth just ask now so we don't forget anybody going to East Low no I probably not okay make walk again huh be on give your best the lake be on the lake that week actually I don't think Richie came last year I think it was you and sarna last year from the picture they saw he loves Islam medal he loves Islam they love him there maybe he could be maybe he could be the Town Council and gets done with mayor do you see that see that decision about the uh the Water and Sewer trouble wow um the okay selected reports well if I could just touch on this uh master plan thing that's sele rep okay umad you can ask no I know you're on the committee but again we got invited to Wednesday and Thursday of this week and like three different times each day 10:00 11:30 should we post for that are we going to that I'm I'm not I'm not going the the Genesis of the I will WR sen Whit comments though the Genesis of these meetings according to the consultant is to have small meetings with the the department heads just to get their input okay and then there'll be two large public forums in June um so they're not really decision meetings they're okay so and they have a series of questions that they've asked so I don't think we need no need a post okay I won't be available Thursday so I wouldn't make it anym about the Wednesday we're invited to both days now that's a zoom thing too so I hate to say you can pop an out listen in the background and just if you hear anything that and they've divided them up into to six meetings Public Safety health and wellness um environment uh economic and social services and then there's a the six me is kind of like if anyone can't couldn't make those that could come to the six one just they then in June they're going to do two large public forums July and August they're going to have Community surveys so we have another speak don't we have another uh MVP thing coming up yeah I think so but back to master plan this just an alarming up because I bumped into the Pat this morning at the polls they not posting their agendas that are not posting their meeting they need a clerk they need a clerk right now they got Lauren doing the work she's doing 5 to 10 hours a week on this stuff we already asked for the budget last year for more hours cuz you had not enough time to get the select them stuff done they need to get a clerk 14,000 in 10 Health left fine but I mean I think they need to be told get a clerk get a cler we were okay doing the but they're showing up every day putting work on our desk they're not posting do they have a chair yeah so I'll talk to him you're right you're Le's you're yeah okay there was something else I want to here and then did I hear there was I know we did official announcement but I hear there was somebody Lauren was we weren't sure was in the motion to appoint our master plan yeah Heather Bey got added afterwards so she was never appointed yeah she appointed yeah all right I'll make a motion to appoint Heather Bey to the master plan committee second all in favor give her the bad news tomorrow uh what else we got reports what else you got you already talked [Music] about yeah got a couple things uh June 12th the fiber optic committee is having their listening session at twb from 6:00 to 8 okay how old the audio be uh probably poor I mean lot going to change between now and then going I video it I will try get don't go over an hour what time was it sorry right don't go over an hour and that 6 to8 at twb um fiber optic commune is going to next week just to kind of formalize their their agenda for that and uh make it public TB 6 um I don't know if you guys want to touch on it this week or if we want to have make it a topic next week but um did you see the email that Brian sent um from the MVP in this the Main Street Bridge so my my only my only question on that is you know I'm looking at you know Cliff's um Ledger and we still haven't got any money for the MVP Grant so let's oh you're taking the financial part I was going to bring up the uh the missing pipe part well there's when I was not even going there yet but um I'm the one that brought it up where's the pipe yeah I just had it here but what pipe yeah $500,000 later I'm field I know nothing about it but I know there's a pipe there somewhere get that a second but yeah we haven't gotten paid for any of the MVP stuff and it's like $245,000 you said you talk to somebody you thought yes so and I have a I requested that a meeting with CP when I went back through the the fy22 grant there's about $89,000 in expenses charged to that account that I don't think should be there that that were not part of the MVP Grant or never intended to be reimbursed by that Grant um there there was about $111,000 that likely should have been charged to the casino mitigation Grant they also did that pollinator thing too I don't know if you found any of that in your research yet remember the pollinator Gardens that they were doing and I don't know if that fell underneath a searp grant and I can share this there's about six about $65,000 for what looks like it was like Wetland delineation um uh hydrological study of of Eastbrook um that that was not part of the grant that seem to have preceded the grant work and there was about 10,500 to prepare that FY 24 MP Grant which obviously you can't pay for with the grant um so I need to figure out where those are supped to to go I'm doubtful that there's a corresponding Revenue Source anywhere but um the original MVP Grant has been reimbursed the fy22 grant has been reimbursed in the amount that the state said coresponding invoices for that so his numb are not accurate then maybe is what you're saying so there's about 990,000 that I'm not sure where that money is going to come from okay but the that the additional amount above and beyond that is is going to be reimbursed we're going to submit for reimbursement okay in May um and that crant I think 289,000 maybe um cuz it says it says we're - 243 according to last Ledger yeah so there's still some to be reimbursed so originally there were three grants there was a very small grant for the bridge like 30 or 40,000 and that that Che out then there was the 300 something thousand that was split with East Meadow that I'm told we actually got the whole thing because East Meadow didn't do anything that we uh we just we just handled the books on that so but I mean all that number was wash the re y I have corresponding invoices and I have corresponding Revenue right so that one's good all right except for what I just said about those invoices that right like we should have never been charged to that account right so now we're just talking the latest Grant of 20 something which the majority of it should be we should apply for reimbursement in May is that the grant that we were going to have to use in kind and then 50,000 from casino is it that Grant possibly but that 80,000 total and we said 30,000 would be in kind and 50 we would apply from the casino thing because it was on the route right that 50,000 has not been invoiced yet it is not part of that 289 that Craig's talking about okay what was the all right I guess we got to go back what was their total proposal number from so my my other concerns were I mean we had the conversations of uh he didn't know about the water lines and he's the engineer they they're the company that's supposed to be researching this do they not call digs do they my thought is it should have been on them to research whatever was in the ground there because they're the company trying to facilitate this bridge yeah um he also made the comment not not he I'm just yeah the the Howard sign Hudson you know made made the comment to us that oh I didn't realize I it's part of the small bridge program but you look back at the minutes I mean there may be some some inaccuracies here but March 14th of 20 22 um bobit stated that the design was near complete should be due soon but is ineligible for the small bridge program where the state would pay another Bridge would have to be designed to extend the bridge from 20 to 30 ft can you just go back what was that date again March 14th 2022 over two years ago uh well I was searching minutes this States back before I was on the oh I know that but it's just like I go back to this is such a danger three years later how's that bridge looking could use a little cement work but it's I I'm almost want to put a pause on this whole thing with with the engineer because I'm I'm not sure they're adequately looking at this properly now Ted you're here and you can speak for concom if you want or whatever the thing about that bridge it did flood in ' 05 and it flooded in 1955 and at that presentation oh it's a consistent danger of flooding yeah twice in 70 something years or we're going to spend $4 million Marcus told us the bridge could use repair the state told us the outer two pilings are or beams need to be replaced if you see the pictures they are there are hles this big and that's fine we go back to what was done for Summer's Road Bridge gosh 10 years ago they had to put a couple plates on it they lifted it welded the plates on and lowered it back again Mark said that's what you do with this you lift it up replace the beams and drop it back down the bridge structure itself is fine you'd be out for numbers under 500 instead of 4 million for a supposed huge flooding rest I'm just and I go back to the fact the state was so adamant oh my gosh you got to replace Rocka dundy oh you got to replace the one over ballad Brook on South Road yep and they're not hammering us on this one and it's supposed to be such a danger I I'm not into heck the m road bridge had a hole in it and they didn't yeah patch it up and fix it yeah I just don't I'm not Cy to that stuff John I no but I mean yeah this is what we're told and I just don't I'm sorry I just don't have the faith I think he's just B to you no no I agree and Craig say I don't have the faith that this is such an urgent project that we're looking at either tying up our tip money for anything else we want to use it for or possibly putting our own money into it I just don't have well now he's talking about hiring another engineer ing or whatever to do a yeah to look for the the water look for the pipe yeah they're claim it's our fault was too far away for them to know was there they only go out so many feet well that could be that could it could be it could be 5T off the roadway I'm not saying it couldn't be you know but it's been there for 25 years and it probably does go underneath the brook it goes on theath um um um I won't say on on video but someone told me who who probably knows say there's got to be gate valves on either side MH and you know anybody with a metal detector can find them and pinpoint them probably and yeah they it may be far enough away from the bridge on the extreme end of our right away that it may have been hard to find if you weren't looking that far I don't know enough about main streets of Ro that would have a 6 fo right away stuff to to say that they did or didn't look far enough away from the bridge to to find buried I I know but it was their attitude well oh my nobody from the town told us that we're going to need more money going to hire an engineering firm like you guys are I don't know $600,000 into this project and we need more money and $600,000 we don't have a shovel in the ground for what we you know all this money that we spent so far the state spent and it go back there sometimes with these grants where oh by the way you got that Grant uh that put you at the bottom of the list for the next Grant we didn't really want that Grant we didn't want to use it on this so just like I think maybe we put a pin on this for a minute and just say okay what are we really trying to solve here is this a solution in search of a problem when the solution could have been Mark let's going to take the fix the bridge fixed three years ago right you know maybe when things were cheaper that's me venting I'm done you have a cookie but I I think Craig was feeling the same way a bit too you haven't convinced me of the need for the town to be spending three to four million dollar on this bridge yet I wouldn't feel comfortable bring it a forth asking for money for it because it was not something I believe in not safety safety is a concern but you know I think it's been presented to us in the wrong way maners well safety is a concern but I think we can repair it for a lot shaper on the other hand at the pace it's going of shoot two terms now be gone it won't be our problem problem well don't put that in is the administrator's report complete a couple things real quick um so the the highway Labor job is posted um Mark has um identified three candidates that he'd like to interview so he's going to do that hopefully next week um we received an email back from Town Council in response to the board's inquiry about the two different cell towers and as it relates to the lease and whether the rent could be uh reduced or or zeroed out on one of them and I think I think John you were on that email the the response was that it that that while they're own by SBA towers are two different llc's so they needed to explore whether this hand could give money to this hand yeah um so we'll get back to you on that um I was going to talk about the MP meeting that convenient we we need more llc's in this town we do each of you should form an LLC you'll be you'll be safe um so with the with the with the traffic today that that and and the parking issues that that came with the the high use of the building um we're going to explore putting no parking signs um essentially at the beginning of the exit because this is this is the second time that it's happened where that driveway has been blocked by people parking uh head in not just that there's no way to get vehicles out or emergency vehicles in and out also right at the corner where the generator is they parked two close to there were Narrows there yeah and you could really have trouble there that's where it's getting that's just like that when I was here I had a I got I parked in the last slot on against the building and by the time they got done parking facing what's his name the Builder next door I must have had a back in and out six times in order to get out of the slot I was in in order to get out it can be really trouble on is it Monday or Tuesday Tuesday when they have the kid thing it's a great program they get great people here but it's packed solid I appreciate apprciate the fact nobody parks at the fire station they respect that sign and you know it can be hard you're running with a couple kids and you're looking where's the closest spot but they're very good about that so so we're going to look at installing some TI there and if that doesn't work there maybe some striping in the parking lot to try to identify that better it doesn't mean you say striping or spike strips well spike strips would come third one way spike strips so uh we're going to explore that hopefully that will improve but we'll see that's it so the highway labor guy is the only person you have posted right now because that's the only need you have correct to a Jour is that good right well I can't I can't answer that word Jour no just kid excuse me we have more of course zum operator advisory clerk Zoom operator a motion to adj zoom operator cemeter cemeter assistant conservation agent y i we wait to see what the election is for you know when I'm gone I'm I don't know I'm going to do Zoom for for the well Brian was talking about a plan today maybe rotate a couple people I said bring those kids in from in AOG maybe they're seniors maybe their summer is free I nothing can be more exciting than sitting here for a meeting like this I mean you could be on ph she's regretting her decision right now you can be like this with the zoom on like this you might as well get paid for I'm going to see Carl at Big why this week he's going to laugh at the fact that you went I'm telling you right now he wanted to second end it quick somebody gets in trouble we got these meetings happening where you're going be having forms for master plan somebody's good in the basement fire just sitting down there