##VIDEO ID:KC0IBgyzt7Q## open the Hampton Conservation Commission meeting we have a [Music] quorum dat today is 12:18 at 6: PM okay first on agenda is Park and w yeah state your name and yeah sure lard Parks and Rec director for hamen um I'm kind of here on like an information gathering uh Mission I guess is the word um The Parks and Rec commission has been talking about some projects in Memorial Park and obviously this is from wetlands and Conservation Area and um I need to figure out feasibility of projects there and before we spend the main goal for me is to try to figure out what's feasible without spending major dollars on engineering Andor planning Andor um any kind of engineering or planning for for a project like that I've never done a project involving the Conservation Commission or anything like that so I really am a newbie to this and I'm looking for your guidance so I'm just kind of here to figure out and learn about the process for doing a potential project at Memorial Park I have um I have a an overview of Google Earth to talk about some of the projects that we're talking about it's not just pickleball basketball courts but there's a bridge that needs repair there possibly over the brook and also some shade structures for the um the splash pad um and there's no option on this computer for co-host it's host only I think I can ask to share my screen John with you I mean it's odd usually I can make you co-host and yeah so I think okay I think the way we did it in the past just made him yeah and before he leaves he has to turn it back I don't know okay so I'll do as well as I can with what we have here um really you know we the parks and rec have been the commission and I have been discussing some potential projects at Memorial Park uh the the basketball court here um which is located right along the brook which is about 15 fet from the brook is a pad that is 51 by 51 by 29 ft which is not currently enough to house a full pickle ball court um our initial project was to potentially expand that pad to make it a full-size pickle ball court that would house a pickleball court and half a basketball court we'd like to get a real Court in there that would be a dual sport court so we could have some more use there for the summer program and anybody going to the park um and this is where the fact finding comes in like I really don't know what it would take to expand this this 9 fet either way what we would need is 9 feet really either direction in order to do that um so that's one project we've been talking about there's other locations that we've discussed about for a pickle ball court there's a space over here for I should rephrase this but a a court for a pickle ball really the minimum spot space you would need is 60 feet by 30t that's the minimum space the recommended is 65 by 35 um the pl court dimensions are 44x 20 but um given that this one is I understand this is a pre-existing structure so that makes things a little bit easier but um you know we're open to other ideas and other discussions with you guys and that's kind of why I'm here on a bit of a fact finding Mission mostly about the process for me because I haven't done it about the notice of determination the notice of intent I need to kind of figure out what I need to do in order to take the next step on these projects so another idea is to put it over here on the right side leading up to the raw building we have plent there's space here for this is where the shuffle board courts are currently um there's two of them there that get zero use and this is about about 70 ft from the brook which runs right along here um and this is about 70t from the brook um you know once we got talking about that we said well we could open up this space here a little bit further from the brook maybe less environmental impact there's more space here um there are other considerations here there's a well head in this space here as well so um but there's definitely more space for maybe a full pickle ball court by itself and or half a basketball there and then the last spot that we were kind of analyzing was this this is a very flat this trapezoid here is a very flat space right here I just kind of sectioned that off because this is where the hill kind of goes up in this area right here so um there's there'd be space for parking back here there would be it's a tight road that would run along the right field fence um I can I drove my truck back there the other day so there is space there and then a parking pad here and we could put courts out here as well so I'm really here I mean that's just kind of talking about the projects that we are considering um these would be the umbrellas the shade structure umbrellas that we were considering for the splash pad and they are generally a single post with a concrete footing into the ground for those structures um I don't have the ex I can these are whatever they are from let's see here from the brook probably closest is about 100 or see here 100 uh yeah so closest spot looks like it's about a 100 and of course this is just on Google Earth so it's not super accurate but about 100 feet from um from the brook and then the last one is the really the closest one is this foot bridge that extends from the fields across here it's about I believe it's like 14 ft by about 4T wide and this is sort of eroding into the brook there's no steel gird that runs underneath it I inspected it a couple weeks ago and so this is something that is a going to be a safety issue that's going to have to be addressed um but before I contact any Bridge Engineers or anything like that it's kind of why I'm here about all of these things to just learn about the process of doing a project with you guys inside a conservation land and what I need to do what would be my first steps before I spend any money on engineering or planning or anything like that so that's kind of the overview of what we've been discussing and I'm just just kind of here to to learn about to have you guys tell me what do you think I should do for my next steps in order to proceed with this project or a project in one of these areas here well there's um there are some considerations um generally there's a there's a no disturb Zone from the water um however some stuff is grandfathered in um so my question is where where is the best place for this pickle ball court that everyone has decided this is the spot and that's a great question so you know originally the thought was to go right over the existing pad that was there because it would have the least impact but when you look about it when you look at it this is the closest spot to the bridge so that may not be the best spot um and that's you know I'm kind of hear for guidance on that as well like this is 70 ft from the brook down here this would be about 70 ft from this pad to the brook so um you know that of course is within the what is it 100t is there is 100 foot foot so that's already Disturbed though if there's actual disturbance then it's just Redevelopment and but so it would be it is developed but they are just two concrete pads I don't have the dimensions on the shuffle board pads but like what availability is there to expand that area minimally to to do something like this and then you know this this is probably the best area as far as least impact to Conservation area but it's probably the most difficult to do so those are the things I'm trying to balance between the projects so if the conservation wasn't involved which area would you choose uh if it was me I would probably do two I would do this one I would do the existing basketball court I would redo that and expand it and I would also put a pickle ball court right here next to the road okay that's a great question though um well it's already Disturbed if he lengthens that isn't that like gravel and stuff already right here right here no the other one at the end of the basketball court C I think sorry this one yes this is asphalt as but what's past it the gravel isn't there gravel there this is grass right basically it leads right up to the grass the problem is this way the other end that's the this end is the the the mulch okay that's the that's it's s disturb yeah and this is the way that it would have to go to be honest with you I measured off 9 ft this direction and it almost leads into the corner like the corner would almost touch the brook so um you know when I when I went back over there I said you know looking at a Google Earth but when you go there actually the smarter play is to go this direction and possibly remove the um so the the the this is a a fired structure fire yeah that's right but you know in talking more it's also we talked about just doing away with this court in general expanding the the playground area and possibly doing a new playround area and putting a full court over here designated pickle ball court over here so with the basketball court right yeah yeah I do do like the idea of Dual Purpose I've seen a lot of towns do that and the way it's taking off one pickle ball court might not be enough well that that's a great point and that's why like in a in a perfect world I would probably do a dual sport court on either one of these and leave one available for pickle ball is there room for expansion as she had indicated if there were to be if if that were the direction and not where the basketball court is but what to the other site would there room be room for expansion there's part this area that definitely court that this your second you go that away from the brook with that one and double the court and have two here you mean yes no it's not enough space it's very tight there it is for um what's that paved area that I see turnaround that's the turnaround which I mean technically you could probably do something with um you could possibly get two we talked about that as well you could probably get another Court here as well along the side that is a possibility um I mean anything is open these are just did you say 60 by what 60 yeah optimally a pixel ball sport would be a full one would be 65 by 35 you can get away with 6 by 30 okay there what's that that's all Park land behind the this is so yeah good question this is actually a rough order of the property line so here is the property line based on the G no I don't like is right here curiously enough and I don't know I haven't done much research on this but this looks like the Town Road which has could technically possibly go I don't know you know what that means for these poor people but you could technically look at putting the road another access point to the park here and putting the small parking lot here is it actually a paved Road or is it this is not so okay it's just right this is just Colonial Village Circle here and it's nothing now right um and you look at this the joke is I used to be a surveyor the joke is GIS stands for get it surveyed so you can't really go by these lines well there's a house halfway or a garage halfway through the that's why you can't you can't go by Line This would all have to be surveyed and everything but it's another interesting point and like when you look at the environmental impact there's this is definitely the spot probably the hardest place to do the project so um I would think Dan and probably jumping in as selectman I would have a lot of concern about the neighbors seeing this new activity in their backyard absolutely when you look at that separation there yes it's flat I looked at it many years when I was president of raw my wife was chairman of Park wreck at the time y it was an area we're looking at developing and what held us back was the neighbors I think was Schwab was back there at that time same thing is it intrusive to their backyard if you were living there and something new came in it's not facing your front it's looking in your back I would I I I is there anything any chance of twb with the old tennis cour twb we've kind of held back on twb because we don't know the status of the projects so that's that that is my my dream would be if we move over there to have a master wreck facility over there with a full tennis ball a full tennis court um if you lay out a full tennis court you can get two pickle ball carts on each half so again a multi-use court right you saw the old pictures it was four tennis courts there before the basketball court was there yeah I haven't really seen those John to be honest with you them it was four tennis courts in a row down behind basically where the basketball courts are now that whole to me that would be the ideal area like you say and if Park wre is moving over there oh my gosh you're right there that's the master facility and that's like my dream for the town for sure um what would it take for the status to be known so you could look at that seriously you said you weren't sure with the status to be confirmed that we're moving there that's more in our we're now we've basically uh convened a group to look at the municial buildings as a whole you know this has been a process just getting the building back from the school committee has been done signed over we actually have the building back on July 1st of 2025 yeah oh nice now do we have a plan for how much it's going to cost to move over there what do we do with this building and then the other needs we have many people there are a lot of opinions should we move this but in my mind the easiest thing is to take this inconvenient structure we have here and go to a single floor Dan triples his room area there for program has access to the cafeteria every Municipal department is over there and there's room for growth right yes even if we talk about we only need 60% of the building well the reason we're talking about it is because we're so out of room here you know you don't move over for a fiveyear plan if you're going to do this you do it for 20 if you're putting an addition on your house you're not doing it the hold it for five years you're doing it something you can live with yeah I think what Dan's talking about looking at that like he would say look if all everything being equal and I have my choice that would be the choice right but I I don't I don't necessarily I I agree like that would be my master plan master master Rec facility but that doesn't mean we can't basketball court to be done we can't do projects here I mean that but this is like a joke this is a dangerous basketball court the way it's set up so like people have already broken their ankles stepping off the pavement because the pavement doesn't go past the basketball hoop it is pretty dangerous I bring my son there yeah so anyway um like there were upgrades you upgrade the playground instead Bridge you talk about the old girl scout Bridge put in art Booth years ago needs an upgrade yeah need if it's just a repair does that allow something be done on top because it already is in there the bridge yeah it's already there that's the thing so if you as just a repair but does it need to be replaced or can no just I think well I I got to bring in a bridge here for that I don't know that's the difference yeah um Can are there existing tennis courts over thoron bures not no basketball court that is also unsafe over there so my I'm like really trying to get some to bring some because whether we move over there or not it's still going to be Town property right over there oh yes oh yeah well unless yeah I mean unless it gets sold or something drastics happens but the other the other problem that so when I first started I looked at doing a master Rec facility over at thonberg just regardless at that time there was no talk about the building coming back to the town um there are two well heads over there that are on public water supply which also are hindrances to hindrances to doing things in the there's a 200 foot radius around a public water supply well head and also a 400 foot radius which is limiting as to what you can do so I don't off I don't know when I talk to the engineers they were like this could be an issue there so that kind of halted that project and talk about that um so we've kind of shifted our Focus because of the uncertainty of twb over to Memorial Park to try to bring some more courts and recck Facilities to town so there's no pavement over there anymore there is a here at Thor Burgess there is a one basketball court I can show you right here is right here um it's not a cour and it is also unsafe I would love to redo this zoom out Dan y get almost sense you know how back it went with the discolor you know right here John and then more to the West was actually oh like here I see set was there at the time it's a shame that they're gone because that would be a really pre-existing thing that wory in the two structures you see there had to do with the septic uh system at that time so I didn't think the well was actually that so this is the well head this is an active well right here right and then the other one's in the front of the building which is right here right so again we're able to put that in there inside that Circle and that basketball court is not I think it's older than the the change in the lawn from my research okay Gary would be the guy okay yeah um so anyway I don't want to take much more of your time because I know you guys have a lot on the agenda today I'm just here to figure out what I guess I struggle between the notice of intent and the notice of determination and I'd like to try to figure out the feasibility of a project in those spaces without spending a lot of money on studies and Engineering you know I'm trying to just get my ducks in a row in order to consider these projects nothing is you know does he fall into the town There's a town and a why do you guys know about that no like r has a town noi that covers the highway department for fixing stuff within the riverfront different things yeah do re fall under that same thing never has okay I didn't know so maybe I can ask like have you I don't know if this board or this commission has had has done pro has somebody come to you with projects within this area of the town before because I've only been here a year um so I don't know what the history is on the projects after Park not not a project like this I mean we've had the the purchase of the land up to the north of the Park yeah but yeah up there Splash Pad I wasn't here for that I don't know about that um I would suggest without the pickle ball courts the bridge you should do separately whatever yeah they those would these pretty much all of these would be separate projects because I was going to it's easier sometimes to do everything under umbrella no the bridge is different that's a preexisting preed somehow okay the other things are Renovations are so those could maybe be done on a RDA can they do if they're existing in Riverfront in a disturbed area already the bridge no the the two pickle ball court if they're already Disturbed area yeah I can't I think oh so like you're area we could go this way RDA Redevelopment the other nice thing about this area here for this the old the basketball pad that's there is there are there's a light structure here which I think would still work we could have lit Courts for minimal month my other thing is if you expanded like maybe 5T away from the brook could you yeah could you make enough space around it to make it safer like move the whole thing or no expand it a little into that green area yeah I absolutely this would buy us because it's right now it's 30 feet wide and we'd really like to get 35 if we could so if we go five feet this way that you know and it's it's but that I would I don't know if that's Disturbed area or not right there U what is that you lose your light we'll lose the light yeah oh which I will tell you they talked about in there years ago and the police were not in favor who the police we got to have an electrician they didn't want basically it's more work to be monitoring the parking yeah be people in there at night oh they close the gate yeah they close the gate gate gets closed close the gate that's it yeah can't drive the light is a moood point yeah so the light is a moood point yeah speaking totally selfishly I would like to think they ground expand rather than that would be the easiest besides iter in the wi make more but I think you can get away oh well yeah you would take a chunk here sure you lose this structure probably you could move that though what is that you could move it's a little fire truck um it's like a you like hop on it like pretend they're driving kind of that could be but you take so you extend this 9 ft you take this out and then you can put a new structure there that is ADA Compliant that is um safer than this or and more and updated but yeah um anyway would you put a fence around it that's a great question it's a great question then people wouldn't be falling off I don't know if I'd want to play pickle ball right next to without a fence trust me yeah so that you don't necessarily need a full cage around it either you can do a half fence and then the back wall can be larger fence behind the behind the pickle y um how deep do you have to dig to put a fence up I'm not sure that's a great question I would guess at least three foot Footers at least probably the frost line yeah yeah which is four feet and then so the other thing is you know possibly doing some concrete Footers for some kind of shade structure here we I think those are probably you'd have to measure out of our jurisdiction except for it's still within 100 foot right measured over oh yeah okay and I mean that's just by I mean inside already Disturbed ex I don't see a problem with I don't okay I think the kids need it I think the pickle ball would work better down closer to the brook that's right this one here that one there great spot for actually that was my first thought after I looked at him with you that was my first thought too and if you have grow into that turnaround that is not much of a sacrifice it's not much of a turnaround to be honest with you still use this you can still use this as a turn around here yeah how manyi are putting in one uh well I would just say that one is better than none no I got that but I mean if you have the opportunity to do two I mean maybe you're right you'd like to see how it plays out at Thor Burgess which would open up the possibility for no EnV you can straighten water right in my yeah as long as I can straighten off the water in my if I had my brothers I'd do a full tennis court over at Thorton Burgess with two pickle ball courts on either side and a full basketball court so that we could host Summer League games for this for the spec League we start that big sale tomorrow and that brings people in so well you gotta have dreams so I'm just thinking like if they come in and pave it you know if you dig up that you know have to redo that whole area at once to make two in it's sometimes cheaper to put two in at once than oh yeah than doing one than doing two twice yeah indicated that it's it's closed the the wreck is closed after a certain hour what what's the security if you moved everything over to certain Bridges what kind of security is involved it's open it's just open I know well I know that now but that's well you would think so I think you want people there to be honest with you and then you just talk to the police department and have them Patrol it do more drive-throughs of so easy for them Z zo in and out so that's you go down perennial Lane and see if easy and you got neighbors right there too yeah that's no I know so I guess if you could just lead me in the direction of my next steps to consider projects like this it's really about for me tonight learning about what would be my next step with you guys how to um move forward with a project yeah n notice of intent because the resour no for both the bridge should be separate y so noi for bridge noi for courts yes no do you think I'm outside of the would about the the shade structures possibly for the inside the spash pad I don't I'm not worried about I think that's okay yeah outside the hund and already Disturbed area yeah I'd almost put both pickle balls on because if you well yeah and maybe fix that other one so nobody's getting hurt at the same time yeah yeah I what I would do is this is not a full-size basketball court so I would probably redo this the the pad and then put a hoop here and make it a half court so the The Arc would go this way the balls won't be going in the brook and it would just be a half court basketball court they'll go in the brook anyway it's your throw back playet here catch I play pickle ball too I those balls are going to be us to have to run itend us both to side by side uh I don't think so I mean no look at mson and stuff I thought they were more like laid out side to side um some of the ones in Westfield are end to end are they okay yeah and like when you have them on a on a obviously on a on a regulation tennis court they're wise they're you turn them sideways so so if you you're not going to do any construction on that existing basketball if we if we if there's no expansion then no right if you're just going to move the the net around yeah and that so that would be so like yeah let me just ask if we were resealing that and flattening it like what does that entail if it's an existing structure we're going to reseal it and Reign it you know concrete uh as black top yeah a black top yeah I don't know about if you're if you're gonna if you maybe expand it a little you'll at least put it in the same noi okay because they're both within Riverfront right yeah yeah and you would we would need to specify um those things the runoff catcher things that go before the soap barrier yeah we would have to Define things like that to you to and so if I submit the noi to you guys does that involve engineering plans generally or what is the level of the it's just me filling out the noi with a with a map like you have right now then just describe what you want to do okay would it be better if you waited until July I'm going in a lot of directions I mean well no he probably want to get done I had next summer I would prefer it Thon Burgess but that that requires his waiting until you know what you can do there well nothing says you can't have two pickleball Port necessar still do an noi for this it doesn't cost anything doesn't matter then it has what three years yes yes three years so I submit the noi to you guys do you guys review it and we'll review it and talk about it and maybe do a site survey if we need it but you also have to send it to the state they have to approve it okay I've looked at the form I just um I don't know if you would be willing to help him fill it out no all right I didn't know if we could work with him somehow help him out we're we're on the same I'm not I'm not too concerned about it okay all right okay I think that's the best way to go just two separate nois one for the bridge one for the rest of it so then just I'm sorry for my newness I submit the noi to you what happens after that a complete noi that works and I submit it you then what happens next well then the state you know the the commission will review it but the state also will review it and with the noi you're going to get a a number yeah you know 173 Dash whatever they're up case number or whatever and um and then the state uh may put in some of their own suggestions as well that the commission would include in their orders of conditions yeah we we'd end up putting in orders of I that y you have to follow yeah or the constru Y okay all of that right um that it won't cost you anything to file with the town but you're still going to have to pay to file with the state the nois go to the town in the state okay it can't be that much money though depends on the price of the of the project yeah interesting but like if you if you can get some of it done through inhouse through Highway Department yeah right like it's pro bono so yeah okay um oh yeah see you're saying yeah that's all I had thank you very much for the information I appreciate it and your time I know you guys are trying to get to something fun so that's all I have if you have other questions for me I'm happy to answer them but that's all I I think I have for you guys so I think I'm clear on what I need to do next I think and that's what my goal was so thank you so this is like a spring project you're trying to do H um maybe not even it may not even be that um I think you know I understand that these things take a long time um especially moving through the proper channels so yeah um it's just really a back of the napkin thing right now uh things were kicking around um ewb does factor into our decision- making it's like for sure you know we really our priority list right now is probably shade structures that would be a spring that concerns y that will be too um that will be a um a hot uh prity a priority as well that the bridge and the two shade structures could be a spring project so those would be the courts are probably a longer term um a longer term project given we don't know what's happening with twb because that could change what we do here so yeah we're just trying to look at all our options I guess awesome thank you guys very much you share the screen back to him I'm gonna stop sharing right now okay and give him back the host did I work Kim host did that's all I had to do thank you all right okay thank you guys have a good night do you have control byes it what nice it's another informal discussion on there okay and you have the map okay oh that's so I'm gonna open the discussion on 115 Stafford Hollow Road Road Road Stafford Stafford Stafford Road yeah hi state your name and yeah my name is shory gretti I live at 115 stop at Road I think we bought the house two months ago I would have guess um so we are tent to to put up a 30x40 uh pre-engineered metal building on the property and because of the delay in the building permit and then everything else following through we're putting up a what started to be a temporary structure just a carport canopy uh which now turned into has to turned into a real need a permit for it building permit uh he doesn't believe that they're temporary so if we're going to spend you know it's 5 grand for those we're going to close in three sides of it and create a place for uh the trailers to go um that is 22 by 21 so right now we're looking to put up a 22x 21 carport uh whether that gets closed in that couldn't really tell you depends on how much time I got and then in the springtime start excava for a 30x40 uh structure on the property for a fourcc car garage so where are you looking to do this so um when I turned into conservation so again I I took some pictures for you guys today promise I don't know if I was supposed to have 100 copies I wasn't sure what to present the young lady had said take some pictures of stakes in the ground problem is even though you take stuff in color printer only does black and white so I'll be more than happy to pass pictures around people get an idea of so let me so the problem is I thought I could do some more with this tablet I brought it just in case um is there any possibility of throwing up 115 Stafford Road so I give you an idea uh the aerial or the the map of the house um so if you guys want to yeah so you got that so basically um I mean I'll kind show you guys so so basically what we have is uh the house is here um and then the the the house who yeah that's my house no that's my house so we're going to put the the the intent is to put the four car garage in the back right corner of the house so um there is a metal car port right here that is going uh opposite direction of the house so when it comes in I'll give you guys a better understanding of so is that 115 um so I apologize I said I have Maps they're in there with the for the uh the other zone change or whatever you want to call it which was F so my house that one yeah that's the one yeah can you zoom in on that yeah that's it that's my house right here so um basically Drive comes up it's a pretty long extended driveway and then there's a big circle here the problem is this tree blocks a lot and there's was a massive tree right here and there's a carport here that sits you just see the tip of it there's one that sits this way uh there was a pool in the back that's gone the deck's going to be replaced that's a shed so right now I had to put up two temporary tents right here so I could put the 40 by3 building here originally that was where my Lee field was when when the owner of the house had to replace the leak field they decided to put it along the handicap ramp which does me good because now I can get in my backyard with vehicles without having to drive over anything in my yard um so I could put the 40 by3 here but my intent is to put it here um and but the you know again the well head is is about here so I can't really start yeah in front of the well head because then I'm blocking I'm I'm covering the well head line going into the house so I'd have to start from about the well head back so that would put the building there is a porch in the back that you're seeing there is like a a 9 foot porch it would probably put the building 6 or 8 ft back off the corner uh but I still need to keep inside of the well headline uh so we're looking at like a good chunk of the backyard to be honest with you is going to be gone uh because of the size of the building it's it's a good size building and the like I said the if if I don't put it there uh the temporary garage is going to go here that will get dragged to this area here where the temporary tents are and that will turn into a permanent structure here uh through a building permit and then or I can leave the temporary struct the um the carp there and depending on what the excavator says uh because this has more of a slope I'd have a lot more back filling to do it's haming there's Boulders size of truck so I don't know what's going to happen go over there um the yard has been heavily excavated there's Boulders lining so where's your new leech field my Lee field is now right here in front of the house literally almost up against the um well the I think I coded has to be 25 ft off the house is that the Lee field or the septic tank my septic tank is actually let's call it 10 ft off the house oh all right and then at 25 ft the Lee field starts going parallel to the house so the Lee field is right here right now okay the tank is here there's a there's a handicap ramp going up and then the tank is right here along the driveway well the driveway does a u but it's it's in the dirt and then the um the the Lee field now goes here it used to be way over here so I've put the temporary tent on the old Lee field was what I ended up and that's where I could put the garage or the one of I can swap them just as easy what's the grass area with all the gray there this thing here no no right next to the house right this no up above right in there what's that oh those like Boulders there so they left truck size Boulders there probably three small truck ones and a bunch of little Boulders so my intent is to move what we can out of there and then use that if we have to fill over here um based on what where the foundation is uh we can just save on fill and lose a lot of the boulders there's a huge string of Boulders running through that whole area now uh which I actually don't have move the folders and put the the building there so it's already in Disturbed grass area I don't think he's even in resource area he's not in any of it he wouldn't be if he went back with a yeah yeah I'm not I'm that's what I didn't wasn't sure I was coming for a conservation because if I'm all in here I'm listen my so let me let me show you guys what so here's if you want to pass these basically let me come around and I'll kind of walk through it so what you're looking at in that picture is this whole area of of clearness so what you're looking at in the original map is my driveway coming up and that's what thisle and then it comes back down the driveway so I'm putting the garage right here along the the house is like so this one shows you where the house is if you're kind of well I got better hold on I got better map see a put this in better like I said I wasn't prepared I really didn't know show you guys more stuff than the building yeah in any of the grass area yeah so if you look at this there's the building right there I'm just going off the back corner of the building uh but again the problem is this doesn't show you what this shows you but this is probably so I have a foot Frontage this is probably my driveway is you know typical hour and a half wide but when you look in the town map if we if we wooded Mar I got the town map right here that's what this is got it okay that's what that is right so the house is kind of like way let me can I see that pen for my house is like right here this is where the house is it's there so the garage is kind of going to go like right here okay and then the carport thing or the two tempor T actually I mean I'm this isn't cuz that's not 100t I'm I'm 125 ft so they're in perspective it's like over here so but from the corner of the house to that is 60 feet maybe so until you get back here with a blue hatching is I'm I'm dude that's like I'm hunting back let me put it that way it's it's yeah probably have to file with okay but they're probably going to say he's outside of it and there will be no negative impact of this yeah Wetlands I don't have a problem Heritage all this these lines that's National Heritage right and that's what was weird is how does my at least with me my driveway isn't included in a bunch of lines it's no they they go around your but this guy's all these other houses have no this guy has no driveway that's what I'm saying it's just weird the way they do that so yeah that's off when I said I'm coming to conservation I'm like the wetlands is way in the back yeah um and I did see the young lady explained the town implements a 25 foot or vice versa when the state has a 100 or you know I'm nowhere listen 1700 feet here and I think I'm probably 800 feet before I hit the beginning of that Blue Zone yeah you know so the only thing you need to worry about is so like fight at aate for something I go through you to I have the address okay and does still have to file so RDA RDA noi or RDA or anything so basically guys here's just to be clear and I'll try to collect all my papers later um WS I'm trying to do when you look at who's got the pile okay right here so I showed where this is all the okay so when you're looking at this thing right here here's the house here's the carport basically I'm I'm trying to go in the back over here let me me show you some different perspectives of okay so these two trucks are actually sitting on I got the timber frames laying there for the carport so um that's where the two cars are going to go which is right here in this picture so there's massive Boulders lined over here I'm there was a fence all the way through in a massive tree but the tree was like just a a deprime to the house so see the massive Boulders I'm all inside of anything that's ever been cleared I'm all on cleared properly you know so see it there it's this is the there's like 50 ft of Boulders in the back corner coming half way through you know so yeah this is so I even got one looking from the backyard here it is right here so there's the boulder line the fence line I'm just looking to put but the when I get done my garage has to come back three more poles so I'm really I'm honestly I'm like taking almost half my backyard so 30 by 40 yeah so our discussion with my wife she wanted to kill me on the way over was why can't we put it out in front so we if I'm not dead I'm gonna submit my application to the state if you think it's actually staying with this in this clear area I think when you look at the aerial map I'm a smidgen in the green with the big big structure okay then you Heritage that is part of that if you put it in the front they'll let you know if you move it in the front over here then you definitely have to contact National if you stayed within that well because of the accuracy of this you you should go to National and that's fine I don't have a problem going to them like I said even in the front I'll be honest with you guys I believe where this clearing is again it's when I look at different Maps it's a lot clearer of where my house is and where proportion it is but I agree with you right why bother just apply for a variance in two zones or whatever do so as far as where you put it doesn't really matter as long as you stay within that get approval by national I'll app you still Tom I think you still you still need to do a site inspection yeah I know I agree yeah with the corners Mark yeah yeah okay RDA I am not sure on that one oh because he's in natural heritage yeah yeah um I'm guessing he has to file RDA yeah do we have a RDA form to look at to see if it I had in the back of your yeah because does it have does it show if there's a nip an old one ask building department not recently though guys's like we mailed it to you the one that says I'm like well he can get it right online five weeks ago waiting for my re just they mailed the next day want to find out if he has back yeah and I appreciate your time you know what I a minute I'm gonna go down we can do this tomorrow man your pict your business tomorrow's another day I need to take up any more time I don't I'm not in the wetlands area but I saw all you said to me pretty much 90% of hamans is species and so I'm like the guy's driveway up a picture it's like oh my God yeah and then once you once you file and and you get a a plan and you get the corner St or whatever then we'd come out and and and do an inspection basically a uh you want to you want to know if you're in a resource oh you gave him a blank one did you check and see it does it say nities on there I'll double check the form tomorrow I'll stop I was we were trying to figure out if he has he can get away with RDA I don't see why he put I just I don't either I don't know what RDA standest determination all these acronyms gr termination okay well you have all you have most of the information already for the determination you know your pictures and all okay I'm not saying it but take a look do we have a copy of noi there's somewhere on one of the forms where ask you there's a f out one here yeah right there protction are you going to stop in at the office I'll stop in tomorrow so like I said if you okay you want to hang on to that one do you want me to take it so I tonight when I'm having my coffee has his coffee coffee at night what 9:30 every night 10 o00 helps you sleep right exactly it doesn't bother me yeah doesn't bother me either I can I love my coffee and I he I tried a blueberry coffee the other day and I'm not freaking BR you up for I do not the it may have to be n not sure try to figure out where that is moving trees see noi has to do with Noy talks about actor so act review so that it's in this one yes you may have to do an noi because it talks about rare species is EAS anyway it's not that easy well I mean it's a lot of times you need engineered we'll see you tomorrow all right got pay for it too just preliminarily it looks like it might be noi notice of intent notice of intent so you send them a notice of intent or that's for you guys you sell one to us and one to the state and then there's a fir Mass Heritage okay I will stop at the department tomorrow do do you can I take that um sheet that you just were G to give me well that might not be applicable you might need the notice of int thanks guys own property on put on there are we doing the C information we could do that real quick because John left for 15 minutes yeah all right you have I mean this is okay we're gonna end the discussion on 15 Stafford Road 115 and we're moving on to the COC requested for work at 546 548 Main Street at Cabella yeah did any body do any site visits yeah I I went and looked at it after or just a couple weeks ago yeah yeah Greg did you go out I didn't go I did and he did too did you guys look at the order of conditions no I had no idea what I was looking at I I know of it I was involved in I looked at it long ago and for problem first came basically it's all it's done it's just that's what they're and it's rated yeah okay everything look stable y okay they put up the fence like fence well yeah they said we were they were told that they didn't need a permanent massive fence or anything the fence is just to keep the snow plows and pushing the snow into the water into the river which is what they were doing okay so all right okay all right I have I have two certificates of compliance to sign one for the office and one for them so do we have to we need to take a vote you do need to take a vote so uh vote on whether we will sign the certificate of compliance for issue it to issue it for 546 548 Main Street second I vote yet in favor I says it's good enough for me John had to leave for a couple minutes um something about his mother-in-law so um after this is the uh Zoom with the um VHB and notice of intent for the for the bridge the yeah the bridge over the this presentation that's not the same Bridge Okay the one further south did same area but we can't open the meeting till we get open them are they on do we know if they're on yes hello yay I guess that ANW that question our Zoom operator had to leave for a few minutes but he's coming back okay okay no problem all right so I'm going to close the hearing is it hearing on the COC um because it wasn't it was a notice of was a violation okay so I'm closing the hearing on 446 548 Main Street and now I'm opening the noi submitted by VHB representing the town of hamen for the Ballard Brook Bridge so I assume you're going to give us one of you is going to give us a synopsis of the yes um it looks like I can share screen so I'll go ahead you tell me if you can see that yes yes we can see that you identify yourself to please yes absolutely um so let me just there we go so I can see you there we go um so uh yes so presenting here today uh my name is Olivia Richards I'm the project manager for this Bridge Project I'm a structural engineer and with me I have Bridget go ahead and introduce yourself hi I'm Bridget hundor I'm the environmental scientist on this project with BHP great and I'll uh I'll just um keep going here so um so this project is uh Bridge repairs at South Road over Ballard Brook if uh any of you have gone by there lately you see the barriers have been up in the shoulders on that bridge for some time and this project is going to um replace that that superstructure of the bridge and and uh get it all reopened again um so and we are presenting on behalf of the highway department the applicant we're working with is is Mark the highway superintendent it's not okay I'll keep going um so our project site South Road Bridge over Ballard Brook this um pretty Old Bridge built in 1938 uh the town actually received a Mot small Bridge Grant to fund the sorry should I stop there's a lot of oh okay sorry I'll turn that down um so the town received a a grant from massot last year um it's called a small Bridge Grant and the do will actually fund the design of the bridge and the do will give the town half a million dollars to contribute to uh replacing or building repairing repairing the bridge in this case um so the town received this award we are working on the design it is currently in review by mot and um and here we are trying to get permits in place to um to keep going with the project so basically the project uh is consisting of replacing the the bridge beams and the deck on top um so it's just that top portion of the bridge and um and not the the foundation and we'll get into that a little more so here looking at some pictures of that existing Bridge that's out there now uh this opening over the stream the the brook here is uh 12 feet so the bridge is a 12 foot span and the bridge is about 34 feet wide and that's the the width of the the roadway the out out of the bridge um the bridge decks in in poor condition the bridge beams are actually in serious condition those exterior beams on each side of the bridge um have some holes in the steel there there's a reason there are barriers on top of them pre preventing cars from driving over them um and then there's some various um concrete deterioration some what we call spalls um some areas that need some patching okay Bridget thanks Olivia yeah just here to highlight some of the well and resources in this area obviously the bridge is going over ballad Brook which supports Bank land underwater body and waterways and that 200t riverfront area since it is perennial there's also the 100ft buffer to bank and the local 25t no disturb and in proximity to the site those buffer zones in the river front area they primarily consist of the existing P roadway and the bridge of course as well as the Disturbed roadside which pretty much consists of the adjacent Residential Properties and these pictures here you can see on the left is just the stream Southwest of the bridge and the picture on Southeast sorry and that picture on the right just shows the stream continuing Northwest of the bridge great so proposed work here um like I said we're planning to replace what we call the superstructure of the bridge that's uh the beams and the deck on top of the beams the railings the curbs so that top portion will come off the bridge and we drop a new one in of almost exact same size essentially um and then that that substructure that bridge foundation concrete there are some little areas that need some patching so it will include some patching to that concrete um basically the that super structure will be replaced with what we call concrete deck beams they're they're solid concrete beams that line up and abut each other um got some drawings of that and um that existing opening over the stream will remain the same because we're just taking that top Bridge portion off and dropping a new piece in um and so we won't need to be digging up the stream digging in the Waterway to replace any of the foundations the foundations will remain um so we'll have new new railings new pavement um new pavement approaching the bridge um and then just um some repairs like I mentioned to the substructure and keeping that all kind of above the water line above the ground line um no excavation and then um and then at the end of the project you know seaing uh slope stabilization in those areas leading up to the bridge and so looking here this is from our plans this side view the highlighted area is um this is the portion of the bridge that we'd be removing so like I was saying this whole Foundation this is all to remain um when you look at the picture it does look like a very small Bridge but based on those existing plans there's pretty deep big footings that extend um well below that ground line that you see so it's it's very uh very stable well-built Bridge uh so we have no intention of digging any of this up just take this top piece off and drop in a new one and um those Wing walls the tops of the wing walls will cut off and put that new curb on for a new railing and so then this is the bridge if you're driving over the bridge this is what you'll see now um maintaining that same width of the bridge new railings on either side and this is what the new beams would look like they're these concrete beams that that butt up against each other okay and just putting this work in the context of within each resource area looking at the bank there'll be approximately 104 feet of temporary impact but as Olivia mentioned the only work on the bank will be along the man-made concrete foundations and that will just consist of those concrete repairs so no work on the naturally occurrent bank is proposed again there's no impacts to land underwater bodies or waterways there'll be no excavation as part of the project and work within Riverfront area will result in approximately 3,879 square feet of temporary impacts and that'll include much of the work within the existing paved roadway so repaving the bridge repaving the approaching roads as well as installing erosion controls and any stabilization along those adjacent areas to the road there will also be around 471 s feet of permanent impacts to the riverfront and that will largely be from the installation of new guard rails on the approaching either side of the bridge next slide so this just gives a visual of where the work is taking place so the large pink area that shows work within the riverfront and so you can see here within the riverfront it'll be limited to the inner 100 ft so this is also shown within the 100 foot buffer zone the 25 foot no disturb is shown in that green or teal hatching over the pink so again the work in this Zone will be similar to that within the riverfront it all overlaps and the bank is highlighted in red and again this Bank just consists of those concrete foundations and of course there'll be mitigation measures in place erosion and sedimentation control plan this will include erosion control barriers so compost filter tubes and salt fences as deemed appropriate we are also proposing to install debris containment measures like tarps or netting to be attached to the abutments below the bridge and this would span the Waterway to catch any debris that may fall during construction there is also tree protection measures there's one large tree in close proximity to the project so these would be installed to protect that tree and as Olivia mentioned areas of disturbance adjacent to the road will be loaned and seated after the completion of work um for storm water management uh our uh pavement limits are just going back to where they were the shape of the new bridge is almost exactly the same as the one that we're taking out so we're really not increasing any impervious surface areas we are just taking out this kind of failing Bridge popping in a brand new one and Paving over smooth everything out and putting new railings new guardrail leading up to it so um I believe there are two catch basins on the site um just just before the bridge and um and those will just be we won't touch those those will continue to function as they are now um and and we don't plan on changing anything with the storm water measures we you know we don't want to increase impacts and um and change anything everything's functioning fine um and just to wrap up looking at some of the regulatory context for the work again along the bank work will be limited to those man-made structures so the work won't degrade the physical stability of the bank or the carrying capacity water quality or Hab associated with this resource again those abutments will stay in place they will not be um expanded and work within Riverfront area is unavoidable given the nature of the project being repairs to the existing bridge but the majority of work will be limited to the existing Pape roadway and Bridge footprint uh as Olivia said there will be no changes to the drainage patterns and any areas of disturbance along the roadside will be loaned and seated following the completion of work all right so any questions the um the abutments underneath the sub the superstructure you said those are completely um fine the 100y old abots minor pairs I think she said yeah just the like the corners um of the abutments right under the beam seat has like the concrete has spalled off in the corners so some patching to that area in like within a couple feet below the beams otherwise they they yeah they are fine which which is not that yeah and this isn't that abnormal a lot of the as long as that concrete had good um air entrainment when it was cast if it's been it good conditions this one's pretty well sheltered it's not getting a lot of um salt um on it it's in terms of deterioration it's it's in very good condition and then if you see in this picture it's very well embedded below grade so so we're what you see out there is only like 3 feet and then there's another like six seven feet below grade so stability wise it's great for me to analyze this it's very stable it's very embedded okay good thank you yeah so we we would need to close the hearing and then questions oh go ahead sorry uh John bln from the select board uh basically how long do you think this project is going to take the the plan is like one season um as long as we get approval from mot in time and they approve the town um we're in the process of uh applying for the construction phase portion of the funding um so if we can get all that in line I I'd like to advertise the project um by April and then um it would be the summer of construction and um and it it would be over by like end of October I think at the latest um and then I know this is a little off topic but the way we're handling it because I know this road heads into Connecticut and then it's a narrow dirt road we' keep the road open and this road is um is is very wide luckily that we can keep we're going to uh replace one side at a time so we keep one side open one lane of traffic alternating and then flip to the other side that was the next question I know talking to Mark and and you've been working with you know Mark quite a bit on this uh I don't and we have the other road projects there brid projects in town as well obviously a one I mean you can go into Connecticut but it's extremely difficult as a not a main thorough Fair it's not exactly yeah yeah well back in the 1800s fine time yeah I know with your horse and buggy yeah get the horse across there be any widening are we talking I know working with DOT on the Rocka dundy Bridge Project they were talking putting a bike lane in over there oh is there any is there any widening here for this type of pedestrian as well no um not not for this one um if it's a mass UT project and mass UT is paying for construction then you T tend to get more of that slow but very thorough process and the bridge maybe is about this wide and then at the end of it it's about this wide um you get the bike lanes and the sidewalks and everything um when the when the town is paying for it I mean it it's up to you guys if you want to go that way but massot only gives $500,000 so uh one second sorry we're not paying we're not paying for it but construction you only get 500,000 from the state for for we were told we were told from the get-go this bridge was going to cost us nothing I don't know who would have said that Mark you said this was covered on the small bridge pro project in in terms of design and then construction we get 500,000 so as long we can try to keep the scope of the project under 500,000 as much as we can okay it now how much is have to put you on the spot is it possible uh I got I check where we're at I think we're I forget what I last told him we're I'm I'm trying really hard to keep under 500,000 but you know whatever we're talking the total the total construction I mean yeah okay I'll take a look I can send I'll send Mark an updated estimate of we got bake sales for every other project in town fine I have I have Al and I know I'm getting super off topic but I I have um you know if bids come in a little higher we we can talk to the state they they're very um willing to work um to to get a project going for towns like you guys where you don't have as many resources to be paying for Bridges forun we just opened a bid for an expansion of our water district and it came in under our budgeted amount which was shocking W maybe maybe the maybe the worm has turned a bit and we're seeing a little bit of a they're sharpening their pencils and going after project s so yep yep I saw that last summer and you know every every year is unpredictable so fingers crossed okay great thank you do you have any comments from DP we have not seen anything good question Bridget did we we did not receive any comments from DP we did submit the noi to natural heritage and we're still in that 30-day period waiting for any comments back from them we gotta wait okay so we have not heard anything to date okay so we need to continue so I need to make a motion to continue it to January what's the date January January will be uh 15 so I make a motion that we continue it to January 15th hoping we get the comments by then and natural heritage natural heritage second all in favor I I thank you for your time I think we're all set to next meeting yep okay thank you thank you very much um I have an I I'm sorry I didn't send around both of them I have um another certificate of compliance to signed um the one that you signed um I told you that it was for Cabella but it was actually for um Bedrock on lot um 93 and lot 93 is actually lot one now I believe but there they don't they didn't even fall under the notice of intent but the attorney for the couple that are buying that lot want us he wants a certificate of compliance anyway so which where is that it's on shape and roll Bedrock where they had lot one and lot three Zone all other crap that other Al Joyce Al question you had yeah yeah okay yeah so um I have two more for you to sign sorry okay yeah have the minutes to oh that now I have the noi flot oh no that's we can't do that no because that um just came in today so it hasn't been published so we can't no okay okay all right sign in the wrong place got minutes oh yes all right what we got minutes do you want me to read the minutes no they all have minutes okay just have to they're from uh last November 20th I missed no I missed oh all right right all right November what's the date November 20th 202 does anybody see any corrections that need to be done e I make a motion to accept the MS as typed I second all in favor who second is that I did guilty is charged okay next brg you want to present your mom sure um there's a new request for a addition to the Conservation Commission U my mother Marilyn dagostino she's lived in this town for 40 40 plus years in the same house um and she's done a lot of additions and work on her property and uh yeah especially the one in Maine which was yeah a whole that was a whole new experience for us because we weren't grandfathered with anything and everything had to go through um the Department of Water and every you know the state everything had to be you know on uh on paper and there even though there were a lot of people up there they were putting in Wells and septic systems um without approval um my brother worked for Department of Maine what civil engineer civil engineer so it's like no way Mom we do it the right way so I did learn a lot so I I I be I am I'm I'm still learning and I appreciate the opportunity to learn as I meet with all of you and your experience I would hope to gather some from from that as well and what kind of assistance do you think you can help us with only my presence at this point okay and my willingness um to um learn as I'm as I'm engaging in these meetings and asking questions and um I had been a high school English teacher in Leo high school so for for many years so I do have I I I do have a mind for research and for um you know opportunity to learn and acquire new skills so or writing too yeah absolutely right yeah yes so that's a skill right there she always uh red red marked all my papers they hated it so what do I do make a motion yeah just to accept as a associate member okay so all right I make a motion to accept Marilyn as a associate member conservation second all in favor I I I you're in all right hey sorry how do you join so we have Liz here who's very interested in joining um you have a very extensive outdoor career lots of knowledge about at least the outside world and being out there also my father was the um president of Town Council in my town I grew up in New Jersey so not from here my husband and I moved here a year go but my family is the only family that ever lived in our house and our town is not unsimilar to Hampton and my dad's been on the board of ed Town Council you name it and both my parents are professors my dad actually also taught English and I also had to help people with their papers um but yeah I've taught outdoor education work with kids for a long time and um uh I know a lot about the woods and I would like to know more and um we live just up the road in a really cool old house and I even love to learn more about that property and just yeah got some youthful energy and I'm here to there is a historic commission here in town too yeah yes I what house do you live at where 271 North Road it's next to the horse when you go up this road when it plate and there's the horse farm it's like the little red and yellow um somebody on on the phone told me that it was one of the oldest houses Oh you talked to me about the um at naweed or something right yeah Japanese not all over and I have been oh my God I have it and I have landscaper friends and I've been trying to figure out you know ethical ways to deal with it but it is a beast for sure plant yeah it supposedly Cal to plant actually and it is inv my back is covered over the Wetland actually on my property have the stream takes over everything kind of what's your last holy I'll have you write it down at the bottom of the Dingle there in Ballard's house is that what his name was yeah and it was sorry I live I Liv next door I did I grew up next for sale Phil's house next door in the house that fil it there's a gentleman fil no that's the other way so coming up the road towards the cows yeah yeah so that's my parents house that's for sale right now yes yes you just cut the thing in the mail yeah and then uh brother just sold the house next you come up hill that's the second oldest house in town yeah yeah 1792 yeah the lady has the raik is mine the oldest no they sou it has it by a year or something like that yeah it's still cool that was so much that weeping willow they had in the yard don't even tell me that Willow Tree cracked the we week that we moved in there I and then it went over the power lines and we didn't even know I mean a firsttime homeowner I didn't know if we were responsible how to deal with that I mean it was but I think it's coming back good I mean you have a beautiful Barn there have a good root structure I would think I mean this thing is old it is like this wide um one thing that was funny though as we had to slowly pull some of the pieces out there was an antique uh wheelbarrow stuck under it that we got out that's very cool um but I think the tree is coming back and praying um so how many Associates can you right huh I think you have up to three I was G to say two okay well now we have two yeah if if if Liz is interested do you want to officially become an associate or do you want to come see some more for a while uh I mean I would love I mean so y'all meet once a month as I understand and then there's on-site visits yeah um yeah I mean I currently my husband works fulltime but I am a stay-at-home mom and his schedule permits me to be able to do these meetings without struggle um and uh I think you had mentioned at one point that I could potentially he's a really friendly really cute little kid that likes walking around in the woods if it day depend on the site depends on the site for sure but um but I have a flexible schedule I basically sell soap online and crochet good soan most of the site visits this time of year which there aren't many try to on a Saturday we're gon that wasn't we're gonna have to wait till the next meeting yeah yeah yeah I I taught outdoor education for the Y for years uh you name it sure um so I just found out we have to actually publish it with with the notice to so then like next meeting yeah discuss it again problem and sometimes we do have to meet twice a month yeah depending we have a big solar project that hasn't filed yet or refiled sure and they take up a lot of time sure yep right I can I can do that you know I really need something in my life since I'm mostly just with the baby and my yarn and love the environment and I like you know we did just move here and even just getting to know the town better I don't know it's I think is is great for y'all to let me thank you Liz now people North Road is the best Road in town in my when I first drove up it tears came in my eye when I saw the library the school and then it cl to and I saw the mountains and I was just like like a James Taylor song I was like oh my God yeah we used to go to sunrise service up there oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I did that for years with my family I haven't really done here yet all right so I make a motion that we adjourn second all in favor right