no these people Eli H cam it doesn't what you think Jamie it says it's not on hcam yet okay yep thank you Mariel we hear you now okay you folks have to Eli and other folks need to unmute yourself okay yeah to speak you'll need to do your own unmuting it doesn't look like I can I think we just needed to close out and then open it again so anyway thank you we have a for um with our on um members so Eli Jo this too anyway so um as a preliminary matter this Jan Mar chair of the of the Charles committee and members when I call your name please respond from Eric here Jim Tim here Scott not yet K think I saw him on the list can can you unmute yourself if you're there we've got a couch you Scott Jamie Scott yes Bob here um Jane is here FR yes and Eli I'm here okay El here good Eli not been feeling well lately and I'm glad you could join us tonight that's good good news let say good evening everyone this is an open meeting of the op Child Care committee and we are being uh conducted remotely uh Scott are you here hi Jana yes I'm here by phone oh great thank you so much Ken are you here oh it's living room'll I hope okay anyway so let me get through this so um it's posted on the town's website identifying how the public may join additionally and Jamie thank you for that that would be great please note that this meeting is being recorded and that some attendees are participating via video conference accordingly Please be aware that others may be able to see you and take care not to screen chair your computer or anything May Beed by the okay so with that we have been Char by the select board to continue the discussion to relook at our charge taking into account um the previous discussion of the last several meetings and to specifically um be sensitive to the input that we received or that was received from the anal town meeting articles 47 48 so I thought it might be helpful if we could um review the past draft minutes for both mark and April 8 because I believe those wordss captur a lot of the essence of what our committee has been trying to process through the guidelines that the select board has given us and also trying to Encompass the guidelines from the annual town meeting we did not have to check the ones from the last meeting but I thought we should probably I think it will help us on our discussion if we can review those tonight before we dive our discussion you did there do you want me to remove no evidence so there it was all very exciting so right now what we is reviewing the draft minutes for okay March 20 and April 3 I think might our memories because we've have a lot of thought do you want to start off let's start off with the March 20 minutes yes Eli can you um please mute yourself until you want to speak because we're getting some background noise thank you so I would like to add reviewing more minutes that um no one from the town hall was able to assist us with minutes so Jim was Jim was very creative and helped me figure out how to record the minutes of ourselves so with that um he sent me the transcript of our conversations that went on during that meeting and believe it or not it was pretty accurate I was very impressed with it even though it was 40 long I was able to mix through it and capture the essence I hope to have I captured the essence of everyone's conversations so if you but if you have desire to change your thought or add something or delete something this is time to do it right now you're talking about the March appointment right March you can't change we it's not if it's not because if I correct and I'm taking it off of a 40 PID document and I am trying to do my best but I may not have captured effort of what someone was to oh no so um while we're reviewing those um let me know when you're finished to be viewing them and we'll go the toal so [Music] meting anyone else lets me know they are okay I'm okay with okay okay Scott I'll reach out to you um while the others are reviewing the minutes did you have a a chance to review March 20 minutes and were you okay with those yeah yeah I did I'm okay with it and I Ed those to you know as input into the recommendations I made yes Scott actually did reach out to me before I printed this final outlet and we did have some suggestions so thank you Scott for that um okay take are you still okay ready I wasn't there I wasn't at the March 20th meeting I sure do okay so if every um I'll do a roll call vote all in favor thank you I'll make motion AC minut of March 20 thank you minutes to approve to approve do I have a second second Jim Eric second okay how do you vote Eric yes Jim Tim well thank you Scott yes Ken yes Jamie Bob yes okay Jam yes Eli yes okay good all right so now let's take a look at next this was a little bit more in depth and this was the April 3r minutes okay so let me know when you review and you're ready to comment or thumbs up or whatever I have a couple questions sure um on the bottom of page two last paragraph um I know that you said this that you object into the redline tcmc uctc document because y yada but that's not actually what it does so I don't know if you want to know but that is not actually what the document does okay so we're byd of tcmc because it created one committee C committee with the upper Charles committee as being a subcommittee of the new DRS committee with no Authority so if you look at the I know that that was part of the like what was part of the discussion a year ago at Tom meeting um but that's not what this document that was provided to us actually says I think we discussed like you said it but I just don't know because then the minutes are reflecting something that's untrue it's you said it's true that you said it but it's also true that she still I believe it I believe that is setting up a subcommittee say that so anybody yes that no that it wasn't who points it out CMC Peters and a couple also and it could be that goes back to the document but itself which I do not I'm sorry do not have document with me but it's my understanding that he essentially is setting up a subcommittee so that um the upper Charles Trail committee would the the members of The Charles Trail subcommittee would have to go through the tcmc that the the um no I understand you're understanding I'm just saying that I'm if this stands in the minute I would just like there to be a statement that other point out that's not what it says sure so I put that in there unless but happen that's her understanding of it just like it's my understanding of it so Jamie if you could craft the language that you that your understanding of that is such then we can add it to the minutes and then it would be approved with the Amendments and Al it shows is a difference of is that good with you Tim you is that understanding my understanding was that we left on interpretation and so I sorry I I left thinking that you are thinking something different than I was thinking okay that's fine it's so the reflects that well it could be there needs to be conversation right I actually did make that statement up there and that's fine that could be that we just need further conversation about that that to but we will correct the minutes are we paragraph on page two yes yes okay so while J is working on that does anyone else have any comments on the draft for April 3 but they fall under the category T so well that's fine you them out so the uine it's the fourth paragraph under the under the line T um commit purpose charge not charge okay so chair and then chairman the fourth what is that the fourth uh see second third sentence the third sentence which reads the first is the proposed trios purpose and charged deleting the okay got it um but then in paragraph the next says the second is the building comme document has prepared by the TC and I I would replace document with in parentheses new name instructure and then as proposed by the tcmc instead of PR okay so you want to take out documents yeah I do so you wanted to read as the upper Charles Trail building committee as prepared well then I well it doesn't make any sense because ever's building commit then I put in parentheses new name and structure and isn't that a document though and and I guess um I guess you could put you could leave doc there still night okay got it anything else and then I would say as proposed and a set of prepared okay that okay anything else I have something second on the oh sorry page two one two three four five paragraphs down the end of that paragraph what does it this one of the tcmc audience participant was recognized and stated the tcmc redline docents are being misunderstood and actually is instructed butru structed with structur yeah got it thank you [Music] so that's the last paragraph on page three yeah and begin another challenge we having members being asked to attend but okay so you still on page two no he's on page 23 okay so what paragraph one Senate begins another challenge of having the the members being asked to attend but now allow them to vote would most likely mean that they would have two the [Music] word thank J I disagree with the second to last paragraph on the last page it was also generally that the leadership role should not be to time limit I don't know what the threshold for generally General agreement is but I all except one I or two I mean get that we're not saying that everybody agreed we're just saying that not everybody no I think that how would you feel more if you listen to the I mean if you were keeping track then you could say who thought that okay so who agreed that hey Jane Scott here can I wi Scot Scott yes yeah so so I think that um it wasn't really a vote and it shows you know I mean we it's it's indicating directionally kind of where we stood as a committee so I think that that's I kind of support where Jamie's going like we shouldn't indicate support or no support but certainly mentioning that there was an indication where membership whatever you know I I think we should take away any reference to um you know how many people were in favor or out of favor for any type of issue it's just the fact that it was brought up and that's kind of what minutes are all about unless we vote on it that's my cons sense okay so I'm hearing that um I was trying to probably do it without a vote a formal vote and Jamie maybe wants a formal vote because that's what I can speak for myself so I'm saying that if I were reading this as someone who did not attend or watch the meeting I would think oh it was J that's what they all thought and that was not my experience at the meeting so I think that it was a majority I don't know what is the majority some some numbers because General agreement indicates AG majority so I would be more comfortable if you said some or said that it was discussed but I think that this suggests overall agreement and that was not my experience at the meeting I My My My Hope Is that we get to a vote on things like that tonight right I'm sorry what Scott sorry Jane through the chair yeah I was thinking like on topics like this we will hopefully get to a vote on this stuff tonight and then it will be for the record that it was majority in favor of or against or whatever you know I think you know when we go through minutes it's just indicating that the topic was discussed okay so strike generally agree it was discussed it was discussed okay I mean I'm okay with that just the end of the day we have to vote on something the board have to vote on something thank you Jim so these are for in the if first you said I could suggest Amendment that's the or April okay okay great so just go make the corrections so um do I have a motion to accept the minutes for April 3 with the [Music] change yeah all right so we' got Bob's amendments in here we've got Jamie's I think those were the Amendments right and the Striking generally agreed to say discuss so there's two instances on that page where it says generally agreed I can just changed to discuss [Music] just be clear right generally and equ discussed right all right so [Music] so so the last one is um do you want to have both amendments or just the last one um I didn't hear what the amendment was I guess yeah I I assume that you would read it out I'm sorry j when you asked me to give you language but what okay okay so we will um can I hear a motion to accept the April 3rd meetings um as Amendment with one amendment to say the agenda regarding you can just do the quot as am the last one was to strike generally and put in the word discussed rep discussed yeah so we're going take out General discuss yeah okay okay so all in favor we do a roll call Eric yes Jim yes Tim Scott yes as amended okay thank you as amended Ken yes J good with that that Bob yes and jam yes El yes as amended yes ased okay so we will take of that sub that okay so moving on and thank you for allowing me to move um the minutes up to the front we missed it last time I this to so um secondly do we have any questions comments from the general public tonight Jimmy do you see anybody on there wants to be admitted no okay so we're good to go there so we are going to basically discuss um continue the discussion on how thee would propose the SL um to make suggestions to them for the changes the tri Tri committee charge and purpose and the final goal will be to incorporate all of this these conversations somehow we've got to condense all of this to a report to submit to this select Bo and I'm hoping maybe we can get this done tonight um wishful thinking but we had some really good um input the first one was the redmine document from eartham the second one is a redmine do document from SC and the first one that of course that I sent you all the blank document of the current charge that we've been working on with that was um recreated and amended back in February 28th of 2017 which was like six years or seven years after we originally get started so with that um it was my thought process just just to open this up for discussion that know that's why I wanted to go over these minutes it was my thought that there was a lot of conversation about eron's red line document and I appreciate the fact that he really picked off the conversation Let It Go I also got the feeling that because of the fact that um my opion not everybody's but um that teers and PRS committee documents that we really weren't too interested about for variety of reasons and as it speaks to in minutes that we felt that we could have a jumping off point from Earths with that uh we had a couple of folks who took it upon themselves to make further comments and Jim was good enough to do some edits which I I apologize but we can when we go around the room um and I thought Scott's thank you Scott for sending in your draft your Redline document I thought that this was a really good U jumping off point from Earth I think I think this goes above and beyond what Earth did so that I will open it up to discussion to see how our committee members if we're willing to take a look at Scots document now and what your comments might be going around the table and okay great and we'll go paragraph by paragraph I think if we can it so we go with the first one I just start saying thank you I had done this and good job than yeah was really good so thank you Jamie for your first comment the correction is Select right after that so first paragraph pursu to the powers granted to the select board by section 32 the tong Char blah blah blah is everyone comfortable with that first Telegraph I think that's right out of um so just SEL that's another one just select I think we aren't they called select board [Music] members yeah we're doing the Scott one but what's the other one so the um the one that you WR is hers and then Scott made to and James we're GNA work with Scots so Scott well didn't I don't know he edited I think he I don't know I actually you start I did or the original document no I started and copy and pasted erron as the base and then I edited from there okay thank you does that answer your question to it looks like some of the strike throughs from fans didn't carry over the cop case no no what I no what I did sorry Jamie what I did is I actually quote unquote accepted all his changes I copied and pasted from PDF to Word and reformatted but but I to I basically pretended to accept all his and then went to red lines so the red lines are only mine and I and I noticed the same thing I I I think I referenced the select board later on my edits but I totally agree the old school board of Selectmen is need to be modified so I thought of the same thing yeah there were just a couple couple places where it stayed by accident through that I didn't I I thought about editing it but I didn't no yeah you lost 's red yeah some of Fones red disappeared but that's okay because we're we're doing it and we're fixing them okay so are we all good if those um changes to change what I to S forward and then okay that long first sentence 10 minutes move on to the purpose so let's take a look at that one pos Roots so yeah I mean I don't see a big difference at all and I right and it's basically this that's what we're aiming toward I think this addition of actively engaging Town residents for feedback is important uh the committee shall prioritize there's nothing wrong with [Music] that and um private grants which may become awarded instead of viable I mean yeah I think that all makes perfect sense does anybody else stting the gy anyone else Corner yeah so last one last May request an advocate we want no because I think it's going to change from year to year um I don't I don't know how other people yeah let's but sh means like maybe sometimes we don't want to do it there other options okay um a thought on the second paragra of purpose well the obvious [Music] okay so let's find where are you saying top okay thank [Music] you oh yeah okay got it [Music] always beell I have a question for Scott um he's chosen to delete a development plan and replace it with proposed roots in the purpose and but then this development plan shows up later in charge's what's your reasoning there Scott yeah good good question um so I think answer sorry yeah so I believe that our primary purpose is to derive The Roots um and second would be sort of attached or Associated attached with the proposal would be the development plan to get that but I think that I just thought the primary purpose would be to uh come up with the routes um and obviously all the other things are in the the primary purpose so I mean I'd be fine with saying um propose and come up with the B plan in the first in that paragraph as well but I think the primary objective is to propose to to come up with derive and propose okay are you comfortable with that b uh Tim the in the discussions with the one of the things they pointed out was that they like there should be some consideration to um working together on requests for Grants I think they were referencing their several as of Grants do we want to recog like so we may go get we may request ADV do that or that's our decision we want should we just feel I'm not saying we should or shouldn't I mean I think we should always consider others but that write our charge do we need is there anything to put into our charge now anybody else should we just be responsible well that's a good question um just jumping ahead my thought was if we are fortunate enough to get through this charge thinking next steps ahead maybe we could ask the select board for permission to meet with the tril committee to have them discuss review I don't know but it may not be necessary because I think a lot of what we're doing we're incorporating anyway but to your point which is internally and there's never been a conflict between tcmc and thej applying for CPC okay um um I think I need something doc we looked at because we just no I agree I think we need to be very thoughtful um I would change the word this kind of toward spelling there but I would change the word to be when we changed to awarded instead of which may be awarded which yeah May that was the you're saying may be awarded instead of May award it's just awarded because we we feel that there's a highly be a I'm just saying the language there it's just those three words those two words should we my question is award be I agree Scott Scott go ahead no sorry I was disagreeing with Jim I think I thought I can't quite recall obviously I'm driving I'm not looking at it but there was a big thing about you know it was almost like requirements to be reward awarded these things and I struck that language like we can't we can't be required but we can be required to look at all available options and get our best triy right I agree so the word available it's okay um I think awarded is fine yeah okay so moving on to the third pair the third paragraph to strike yeah that's getting struck Scott you I think because he proposes the changes I yeah answer that's is what I originally thought was it doesn't need to be there because that's more tcmc B right that's asse friends be after some are you are you talking about the sorry guys like are you talking about the bigger paragraph that I struck yes yeah yeah Jim is explaining exactly my thought my thought proc that was just my indication thank you thank you Scott and thank you Jim that clarification moving on to the next one the O Charles Trail starting there take a look at that folks and I'll start going around with Eric to the right this time what do you where do you comments there nothing nothing jimy do you have any suggestions comments so here we're still in the purpose we're not yet in the development plan so should this say the routes shall outline or should say the routes shall reflect like routes for the Community Vision because we're still talking about the purpose when we're talking about the routes like later on we talk about development plan yeah I know see the second sentence okay so go the development plan show outline communities vision for creation of the trail and produce recommendations for the board's considerations that align with the aspirations that's the sentence y y and so wonder of the development plan thees reflect the community's vision I don't see a big difference what were your thoughts Scott you created yeah no I think Tam's got a good point see that's a that's a carryover I started to transition into development plan because I felt like it was more we'll call it strategic and start to get tactical as the docu as the charge went forward you know what I mean so I feel like this is the transition point where we're getting more tactical in terms of starting to talk about what we're delivering but again I use the existing framework and to modify that so I could go either way I think we could either go back to kind of where Bob was going and adding you know route proposal and development plan in the beginning and then this would be consider or change this to the um proposed route and development plan either way up to you guys I don't have a problem with it either way Jamie so I think would make the most sense to create the transition point to say the routes and development time routes okay so routes that's what I okay good Tim your suggestion so first sentence yeah I'm good with it you're good with that okay B yeah why are we taking out to Senator because I I I feel um strongly that we obviously have it we've Incorporated it but I still wish that it I mean let me rephrase it I feel strongly that I don't think our charge should prescribe anything to do with what we propos even though we're likely going to have that within our proposal so it's more of a principal striking than realistic that makes sense okay interesting Bob you have a feeling about um well so to me the having Center Trail be incorporated was very important and um it already in this charge somewhere that that's where it's been before sorry Jame sorry I'll sort of jump in sorry I think what I'm hearing from Scott is that you took it out because you believe that's not an overarching principle that needs to be in a charge um yeah sorry true I it's a very important part of our mission that does go Char somewhere yeah I don't feel unless we want to completely throw it away yeah sorry I I don't feel strongly uh um removing it again it was more the principle of the matter then the reality is we have it it's there it's practical to incorporate it I just didn't think it belonged in a charge so I'm indifferent as to if you if people feel stronger to leave it I would not object to that um I just think I think we should stick to our principles and say it's there we use it but we make the decision how we use it but we shouldn't be directed to have to use it okay Ken do you have any thoughts about that I don't care okay Jim um as fora is included I fig we going have some discussion my mind is open to whether it's includ or not but before I leave I'll say line I wonder if we should be deleting and yeah I see where saying uh yes okay so hang on um I don't agree with that at this point because it's still being planned and I think where we can help out with any kind of Maintenance until it's finally completed and passed off to C CMC I think we should be responsible for your thoughts I generally agree with J J you're going to have a trail that's under construction for the lifetime of many people and you don't want somebody else come and goofing up the trail while you're still building it so the main should stay it doesn't say that we would be doing the maintenance it says that we would be what the Vance cost [Music] would if a development plan 10 funding sources I can give you for instance supposing there we do between phases we're applying for I mean potentially we're going to start engineering hopefully um phase one from Hopkinson state park down to East Main Street and there could be at some point in time for the next three or four years where they start to go in there and then there's a wash out or there's some other problem you can't expect um the tcmc to come in and do this when we're overseeing the engineering and other um engineering aspects of it you know we might have an opportunity to go back to an engineer go back to contractor that would be under ours at that point time until but I just want to point out that the charge right now is using word to outline in that sentence to out perform or do no no it just says construction and maintenance you have to read the whole sentence may I try so it says the potential funding so wait where I the r and development plan shall outline the communities outline right land shall outline and then we have the sub Clause the community's vision for the creation of the trail and and produce recommendations for the board's consideration that align with the aspiration of the community the development plan shall also outline costs potential funding sources such as yada to assist with the construction of Maintenance that's not saying we're doing it we are creating a plan that outlines potential funding sources for those things that's that's what the charge says you say that we're doing it correct but we have overall responsibility to do whatever you know pointed to the BPW to you know whatever back to the engineering company and that's what kind of you're saying no saying we're charged with creating a plan that includes trying to take a crack at estimating the maintenance and outl some places where the town consider looking and they probably have the trails committee go do that not us yeah but not yet this doesn't have us doing it this document that we're reading it doesn't say that we are doing it in a later step but like like where we are right now yeah about a plan which doesn't matter because if we're talking about right in charge if right all we're pointing out is the striking do make sense so what does it mean in the first sentence when it says EP Char drill shall and then this is in this whole that describes the trail correct but it's in this whole paragraph right and it's describing our responsibilities and I agree with you that we may not be responsible for the final you do this or you do that but we're involved with the oversight that's not what this says well let's change it I I don't yeah so so the intent of it is as how Jamie outlined it which was this particular point is to indicate what our responsibility is to come up with a comprehensive well I called it outline but but a multifaceted wellth thought out set of recommendations that include costs and things like that the steeper point you guys are talking about and I don't recall if it's in there is are we responsible for the overseeing of the construction build out absolutely but that's a separate point to this that's later the document it's not inup I just I don't see you don't see that that's a plan that we're handing to the cycle of not so if I we're developing a plan that we're going to submit to the S work with these other sorry Jane can I um go ahead Scott yeah just to clarify because you said you weren't getting you weren't understanding my point so um like anything we're we're we're not just going to come we're not charged with just coming forward with proposing routes we have to say okay here's what we believe here's our proposals you know whatever one two three whatever here here the proposed for the select board to consider here's what we estimate for range it would take to cost to build here's what we believe it would cost to maintain that's what I'm suggesting so that's what this the essence of this bullet point is that related to our proposed routes the point that's that's the essence of that the second one which I think you guys rais a good point I can't recall if and where it's in the document is we are also responsible for the oversight um of the buildout until a period of time until we hand it on off the maintenance of that dur to your point Jane like if we're in the middle of a buildout of a segment and it's a big wash out it's our responsibility we haven't handed that over yet that's a separate point though so Scott you see any place to reward this well I I don't know about the rewarding I leave that up to you guys who are visually seeing it um and and again I'll I'll support you but I think that what this probably this conversation is surfacing the need for probably another bullet point if it doesn't exist already that our charge is to obviously overseal seee the construction um and and maintenance until such time as we hand this hand the the segment indor Trail over to a you know to the to the body of the group that will maintain it moving forward right there's there's I think that should be included in this charge as well could add another sentence to this paragraph that states that would that be appropriate Jam modify the last statement on the or just to accomplish purp to build the last sentence of the first page think where ghost so what would work with the director of land Town operations so so would it be appropriate build Thea so JY would that be good will we have a gut to it but we could tack it on I think that's what Ken suggest I'm sorry I was trying to navigate the document so where I didn't hear on the next one the upper chars Trail committee will and can a suggest as a result of this conversation you had that we add as a final bullet point accomplish the mission to build the trail in its entirety that's simple and straightforward or modified our last point to include that thought well it could go either place but I like it there that point so a matter procedure hit some controversy in the last paragraph that we did side on we want table for later or deci no we have to go back to that okay so if we're satisfied with that and that can go there how would you suggest changing this last sentence because that seems to be I I'm totally the last sentence okay Jamie are you comfortable with the last sentence or not what was the last do you mean another the bullet points are down here the will um in this paragraph to 's point we need to clarify end up this conversation clean that up what how do we want to leave this leave the the last SS I think it's fine the way it is okay then we're good no the controversy I was actually with the whether that Center Trail the center Trail oh okay sorry yeah you're right because I did have a thought about that from the very beginning the Cent Trail was included in this charge and that's what we based the original plan on we had to come up East Main Street and that's a lot of the reason why we um the the work that we did some heavy lifting with the downtown Carter I know it's not very popular but to them I mean um Brian CIS last night it's not done people need to take a choke out it's um we're gonna it's going to be that wide B Lane is going to be in Lan with bricks it's going to have um sign signage that says it's clearly a bike lane it's going to be separated from the traffic I mean it's going to be lovely going to have fre Landscaping so it's that part of it we needed bike to comply chapter 90 rules and we're trying to get the bike traffic and the upper Charles Trail on one side of the road because it was too dangerous if we had it on two sides of the roads because we going to have to cross Main Street three times and we were really felt that was Prett dangerous and it was going to be too risky so we worked hard to get work with the dop and the town I mean went Tom me three times to get us scood so Main Street is it and because we did that to my point is we did that to get to the center tra and I think that should be noted and centr Trail is Iconic to this tunnel it's it's part of our history it's part of the old railro bed it's one of the last remaining places at the railro bed that went to you know from Milford to H Lumber to offset all the coal and the lumber and everything it's part of our history and I think that it should remain in there but that's just me what do you think it I agree with you the the whole downtown [Music] Corridor by law because we're using State funds has to have a bike pass and the bike pass the state was recommended was one way on the South Side can we not talk about it the yeah we focus on ourown is part of our Trail and is Center Trail we have to get to Center tra I I like I probably ride on that bike trail more than anybody else in the world here the main one I'm talking about not not Senator I'm just saying the conversation we having is do we believe that we should keep it a goal the trail that go a use Center Trail or should we fre it up so that if other members of a board ever came on said I can get near that by but I don't want that next it has a SP we want to tie somebody's hands to that or not TI for 15 years so and was been a fortune to make this happen so I saying but I see your point right Tim is a controversy and maybe there's another way I'm just saying like if I am trying to create a bike trail that gets from to Ash and like I want to be on rail EV and I wanted to be we guess what we've out not possible I suspect to some other people points I don't think end up in anyway so I don't question we could TR or it's too important any this town to go on that path because we've invested in getting people that we want people downtown so if they're coming from Mil want them down I'm not saying I know which one of those two answers is correct but I think that's important part of the discussion not whether it's on one side of thead or two sides of the I don't want to talk about that because that's the decision that's made excuse me through the chair yes yeah yeah so again I'll mention I'm indifferent whether we keep it or not but if we keep it I'll say it a different way we are literally saying that if we come back with three proposed options every single one of them has to have Center tra so I'm just saying like I think it's highly unlikely that the route that's I shouldn't go on record by saying that's selected so who knows but but I think it's a high probability that sener trail is incorporated into the final round high probability but I'm saying that literally by by prescribing that we're opening the door that we're prescribed to use and have it in every single proposal so um even if the other proposals are stricken because they're not preferred by the general public um you know I think it just opens the door for us to have flexibility of options that we could even rule out that's all so but again I'm indifferent as to whether it stays in so I don't know if we I I I propose that we move on to the other more meeting topic well no I think I think we can wrap up um so and I hear what you're saying and trying really hard to keep the wishes of the annal town meeting in mind and Tim and uh Jamie and Scott I think have a a general feel about that that maybe am I hearing that the cental trail shouldn't have been included I'm not bringing about no no see that's not what I'm suggesting I'm suggesting that no no charge should prescribe if the charge is saying the committee can come up with options the public wants they shouldn't say you can come up with it as long as you take you know you do this it just takes away the flexibility it's again it's a principle thing but again we can keep it in how about and take the word shall out and put May would that work if you're asking me that that works yeah right so I just think we should take a quick vote I'm sorry I I I personally believe that the board should vote on okay so um before we get to the vote um so let kind of narrow it down a little bit could we vote on the word taking out the word sh and put in the word may would that be acceptable for a vote or would you rather just have a cent Trail taken out entirely take the whole sense well what do you think I I think there's benefits to having flexibility built in and I can hear I hear the emotional sentimental historical attachment and appreciation of Center Trail which is lovely um so balancing those two things I can see the benefit of saying that may include Tim what are your thoughts changing the May gets rid of the mandatory piece and allows that be comfortable okay Scott how do you feel about taking out sh and put me um I'm okay with that yeah I think at this point uh iig supported man I think we should start the whole thing leave as flexible as possible got watch some part of trash but don't um the next people AR married to that all right so continue can see all sides of the issue is the advantage of leaving it in putting into down downtown corridor is might sa trouble having to propose separate roots for that part of the project which time I'm leave it in on that point but U I don't see any possibility that we're going to have a trail that doesn't go through those so uh for that reason leave it in affirment of as possible but my reasoning for leaving it out it's just plain I I think it's so obvious maybe it's not even necessary to say it but um the thing is maybe it helps to say if if if it actually makes our job easier in the future in favors of including the PRS that's my concern okay b um I favor um incorporating it um as uh strictly as possible um changing shell to the may do um I'm okay doing that but because I like to prer be listed as not list okay V would you make a motion to that that we strike sh where are we are we back in that yeah we still the last sentence four four Parra one two three four yeah well y Charles Trail shall be a multiuse and as where it says will and also K's Point may include the three options might be easier we do if you could made here then we may be obligating ourselves to have three options no but there was a lot of conversation about I don't think that steing feel that maybe we didn't I guess I'm in favor of getting of us getting as specific as possible so CER tra is in area specificity that iur with so a motion since get rid of the strike to get rid of the stri yes okay that's what you want yeah I I guess I hope that we uh don't strive out but but include that phrase that will incorporate the op in Cent tra it okay is there a second to that motion I don't know what just said okay in the fourth paragraph of Scots opposed in charge um the first sentence covers the first few lines in that paragraph yeah and the last phrase of that sentence has been stuck by him that phrase is that will incorporate the opp Center TR you want to leave that I know that we don't strike that and leave that as second okay and as I understand Jane is recommending instead of use the word may that that could be something we could decide later after this motion so motion is just just put yes um Eric yes Tim oh Scott uh sure yes yes 10 yes um Bob well you made motion J say yes Eli how do you vote I AB say I'm really not caught up in this this discussion all right so passes so now well now we can discuss it now you can discuss the mayor I think the discussion is I thought it was as will so that carries so it stays STS and if someone wants to move to change that hey they can no one just made that motion made that motion and actually this is just going to be our suggestions to the silic board get the final say to change move right right so the TR committee will we're in the first page points developing Steward appointing process includes extensive Community input collaboratively with uh 501 you just ski the second B yeah so work city is this a strike other Town committees and Boards oh that's an ad okay well I agree with that um the third B point is identify F State CR PLS and fundings and opportunities fourth is work with the director of land use and town operations to conference um I would I add there also time engineer could and the last one we added from our last conversation is accomplished mission to build the trail in entirety so is there any conversation about that I'll start with Eric no fine Jamie no good um Bob uh yes all good Ken guess I'm okay with regards to the entirety that's a I think would be important I agree I don't see well it's interesting because has a very similar chart in Pur and they have not completely handed it over yet because they're still they found themselves getting caught out with our pass off plan and you know wrapping it up and who we're going to do this with and so we don't really knowes they've been finished for what 10 years and it's not it's a core bunch of people who are still working on that but they haven't been solved by their select board because they feel still feel that there are still remnants I'm not saying that's a lot but there's still stuff to do so I think that that's good choice of words okay so that's good so moving on to the second page committee procedure the committee shall elect a chair Vice chair Treasurer and secretary in the shall comply with the requirements of the open meeting law and public records law all Mee provide OPP to speak start to Mo up this time have any comments on that paragraph um I the firstes after [Music] the are we looking at Earths or Scots this is SC okay okay thank you okay yes I guess what well there point of that flexibility to add up anything to the agenda for meeting we want to be able to this to me interpretation of this we have the leing about whether comment a b c e respectively belong on the agenda for the next meeting no that's it's right there we have to do it then and there shall like to chair Vice chair Treasurer and secretary the requirements open meeting on public works all committee meetings shall provide an opportunity to the public to speak and provide that's what I was about to say sorry read that inut in suggestions any suggestions or questions made by the public shall be discussed if relevant to the current meeting or added as an agenda item at the following meeting any decision on any agenda item shall document shall be documented shall be documented as to the decisionmaking process as well as reasoning for why any particular suggestion is accepted rejected actions or otherwise otherwise if Charles Trail shall publicly maintain a list of future agenda items and agree on the topics on the next meeting agenda by majority vote prior to adjourning the conference okay so I have here mey I go with it but I got when reading it I feel like uh an undisciplined teenager who's being you know grounded and how it's justify every single thing they do and now justify the documents that they Justified it I present that with the yeah I kind of I see that it does sort of make that it seems maybe a little rigid to require that um I think I think it's IDE I hope itn't the addition of anything that Cas development that we want to react um yeah okay so I'm wondering about the to take a back the addition of two additional officers is there a specific point you're trying to get to with that yeah well I felt as though um you know we should have a treasure so that wasn't called out so I had a treasure and I think that it would benefit us to have a secretary for consistency um which would be the person to help manage the minutes maybe take the minutes um instead of relying on a Town's Town employee to do that um as more of an active member and you know so I figured that would be an officer that or or officer that we should have um as well that answer your question yeah it just a little bit I think General if I could interject here we always had four but at one point in time we couldn't get anyone to do one or the other so we combined combin whatever but it was just who was available to do and who was willing to do what okay so yeah that's fible putting it in I guess I would just be careful with this because it's in our Charter [Music] any meeting where we don't follow this procedure and ju something it could open up legal against whatever we talk about agenda then someone could try to be a lawyer involved so hold on we we always put our agenda that items that may not anticipated discussed now tell other committees don't do that including tcmc they talk all the time and talk about but we don't we have there other it point we time which we could yes we're talk next time okay thank you I'm good uh Scott do you have anything well you wrote this so well I would just add though Jane that um again the rationale the logic or the driver behind what I put there um was certainly to instill discipline but I think you know it's not to put the 16-year-old you know in timeout Jim but it's really the feedback that we got from the general public whether we agree or disagree was that they want more transparency and I think if we discuss you know if we we upfront say oh that agenda item is relevant to today's topic we'll talk about it or it's not you know that's one point in the in the paragraph and the other paragraph other point is that at the end of the meeting it's all fresh in our mind we're all together we're all engaged and we'll be able to discuss and what our priorities going to be in our next steps because we'll know where we are and it's Again full transparency to the public um in advance of us publishing the agenda that's all that's the ration now okay Jamie oh Eli do you have anything no okay Jamie um I can see the benefit of having a secretary called because there is more housekeeping items to fulfill the transparency me which I agree what we heard and I think that makes sense um as far as the second part of the paragraph um having been responsible for doing these ad Jour us for so many years at the end of each meeting although it's probably we really try to put at the end of the agenda item topics for next meetings and and we really tried to fulfill those unless there was a physical you know principle that I that we couldn't maybe there was timing mechanism we couldn't get somebody there or whatever it was the second thing that I can testify to is that there's so many things that come up in that two week period that need attention that if I put it on the waiting list to come bring it back to the committee to then be brought it up as an agenda item for another two weeks out then perhaps we're not being as timely as we could be so what I would suggest is take out the word sha and maybe put in that word L to be more flexible because I understand that there is a need that people did feel that we weren't being as transparent as possible but um and so maybe that some of that money would should go out there as good faith effort that we're trying to do something to um be more approachable or attractive to the Comm or I don't know what the word is but I don't know maybe that one words yeah go ahead Eric why don't you just change that to say that the committee should discuss agenda items for the next meeting okay so let's see where we could put that in instead of the May will just say we should do that and we will chose motive um okay so the should um publicly maintain the list of future agenda items and agree on toic well that's where where you going to put the word just say we well that's removing the publicly maintain a list of how does that work practically we we published the agenda before the meeting as now we're talking about somehow transmitting um and reliefing the dra agenda did when we end this meeting have set the agenda for so we should majority vote on that that's ridiculous it is ridiculous I don't think it's practical I think it's Ric I guess I think it's a good idea to do but requiring doas that procedure be done can can [Music] question can anybody conceive of something that put on the past agenda for a future agenda in a meeting her future agenda where they didn't agree with that item or there was an item that want it on the agenda and it was turned down can anybody come up with an example because I can't I think what you're trying to get here public KN having ability to know majority vote um are you objecting to the your vote the voice construction of a bridge we're going to vote we want to talk about that I me that doesn't make any sense how we going to vote on we're going to vote on on reviewing and approving the last minutes we're not going to get a majority somebody doesn't want to approve minutes or something until the minute to approve that to the next meeting built an agenda and said does everybody agree with the agenda call Quick it's similar to how we accept in minutes we don't always accept time minutes are different in other words I don't think that I don't think that NE unnecessary so Jim you would to thing about voting majority and I don't understand I don't know how we maintain frankly I take out the entire last sentence of the first I don't know how we a list and trans that have experts okay find out what the agenda is if you're in posible the way you find out about every single board committee Commission in fact you look at the calendar you see the Su meeting you look at their event I don't have the privilege of looking ahead at what the planning boards will talk about in their next meeting so agenda oh God so why should this be a requirement no other committee that puts out their draft agenda before for nor PR they go and S vote on agenda can I recog yeah go ahead what's your recommendation make motion I will make a motion to strike sentence of the first paragraph titled committee procedure um okay uh we have a motion and we have a second now discussion anyone else have anything to say I sometimes we might want to go to that extra step but I think for a routine matter so um I think somehow we're going to have to determine what is a special am of interest to the public to yeah may I think to that degree but we I think it should be up to us as a side when we want to take that V but we could and it could be that I'm hearing on one hand that um this at the how many people felt left out or wasn't transparent and maybe so this is an attempt to make us more transparent but we're saying on the other hand that this is an a practical solution so maybe we can look at it and maybe it's further in this document how can we be more transparent how can we be more publicly available and If might not be in this sentence what do you think Scott you've been kind of quiet yeah no I'm just letting you guys discuss it obviously you know I I you know hearing the discussion I I wouldn't have suggested if I didn't think we needed it and and I didn't want it so I support it but you know you made a suggestion J change the word to May um you know I do we have to vote on the majority you know I could go either way on that but I think we need to have some I don't I don't remember what the entire paragraph the motion is to strike I don't know if you could read that real quickly the last sentence Oh The Last Sentence okay can you read that please yeah is the upper Charles Trails committee shall publicly maintain a list of future agenda items and agree on topics on the next meeting agenda by majority vote prior to adjourning the current meeting and some of the meeting members here are saying that that's honorous that right no okay no I got that thank you for reading it so I I um certainly very very very strongly disagree that we shouldn't maintain a list because the select board does that as well and I think it's incredibly helpful they have a future agenda items list and that's exactly what I envisioned us doing um and um you know I would support um softening the language and not not requiring um a majority vote but I really feel incredibly strongly that we have to maintain a list of future agenda I I'm consider transparent just like the select board okay so help me understand we' I've always put down at the end of agenda you can go back to years and at the very end the last one of the last items said before um reviewing the minutes is topics for next agenda is that not enough or no what what I'm suggesting is if you guys I'm sure look at the select board agendas and at the very bottom they have future topics list it doesn't say that it's even committing to next agenda it could be weeks out and we've been on that that's something very different yeah that's no but that's what the first part of the set address so you would like I don't have a problem with that right that's why I disagree with striking the entire sentence my point is that striking that sentence you also strike out something I feel incredibly strongly that we need to do which is just like the select board maintain a list of future agenda items how include in their meeting minutes future topics or whatever future topics well it wouldn't be in the minutes it would be it would be in minutes us they they have it on the bottom of every agenda J put it on their agenda it's an ongoing list it's a Perpetual list and ask Things fall off the list you know as they list grows and shrinks but it's a maintained we list that's okay but it keeps your it keeps people refreshed from things we should be doing so maintain a list of future agenda items well that's very different I mean I have no well that's the yeah that's the first part of the sentence and then the second part which people are expressing strong views on uh about the vote um I as I said I I could I could soften on on the on the majority vote I think um at least discussing or to your suggestion a little earlier around just saying you know uh you know we we discuss at the end of the meeting which we do Jane you you've been good about that so as long as we maintain doing that and that's you know softened in there I you know as long as we have those two points you know I'd be happy okay so future agenda items and the second point and the second the second point is that we discuss the next meeting agenda meeting all right so the U we have to go back to the original motion second district last clarify agenda so he's got two different things that I made to start that entire last just last so Scott's first one was never touched the future agenda items the voting on future agenda items oh sorry so the first part of it is not suggested to strike no that was M it was just a very last sentence okay that is the very last that's the last phrase you mean by majority vote toe is that what you're stri no so this is what's kept any suggestions made by the public shall be discussed as an agenda item at the following meeting and any decision on any agenda item shall be documented the decision making process as well as [Music] reing I don't know I think this whole paragraph needs be rewarded so I think you're on our boou I don't see anything about I'm pretty sure it's in the minutes the the very last very end could we [Music] um so Jan I think you're looking at paragraph so so I think we're trying to understand it sounded like you said either these are my two possible understanding of what you said either you're trying to strike from the UCC public main like the whole thing or I thought maybe you were saying keep shall probably maintain let's of future agenda items in agree on topics to the next meeting agenda period strike find majority vote prior during the Curr meeting thank you those were two things that I thought maybe you were saying but I'm notar what does maintaining list of future agenda items where paper and wri it would be something like we'll have a discussion on things why don't we just say that that in our in our agenda we will put fut all right so let me Jamie that [Music] was we shall keep uh we could keep the up Trail to maintain list of future agenda items and agree on the topics of next next meeting agenda period um i' like to ask um J if it's possible that we're also try to on open meeting laws somehow with this particular paragra I don't think so because it doesn't say we can't bring other items that on that list yeah knowe to another and I can pop over on the agenda yeah just leave it open yeah okay so we have a motion on the table to um Str that hold last sentence which I think from this conversation be amended to read the Charles tra maintain a list of future agenda items and agree on the topics for the next meeting period motion second well you have yeah well we generally do I always ask what what do we want to talk about next meeting you agree then you have vote no we just taking that out why you agre because we raise our hand we say we don't like it we don't have to we didn't say Okay um it's been amended do we have a second on the amendment I second okay all in favor I yes yes Scott Scott yes yes yes Jam Bob not sure where voting J El yes okay composition no oh you know it's 8:30 I was hoping we would be through this had a good idea that I do up a new rack and we come back a fres look at it not next week not next week to week aftere good idea so how about the next B Wednesday after town meeting so we will continue probably we Contin you discuss from where we left thank you everybody for being so patient this is a this is a tough one but I think we're making progress is it 15 that's 515 yeah 55 so is 6 o' still good so can I have a motion to adjer move second second all in favor I okay thank you Scott thank you Eli thank you go e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e