e e e e e e e e e call to order the April 5 2024 meeting of the Indian River County Planning and Zoning commission first order of business will be the pledge of allegiance to the flag the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible liy Justice for All next order yes sir next order business are there any additions or deletions to the agenda okay I hear none approval of the minutes motion motion to approved second have a second all in favor I okay the next item is Inu Point PD request for preliminary PD plat approval for the inur road point plan development Pete holding LLC as the owner K engineering and surveying LLC agent zoning PD plan Land Development land use designation L1 low density residential one up to 3 units per acre and L2 low density residential two up to six units per acre this matter is quasi judicial so first I'm going to ask the board members have you had any expart Communications none anybody would like to speak on this matter please stand up now and be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth okay this time I'll turn it over to s for their presentation thank you Mr chairman um good evening members of the commission Patrick Murphy Senior planner with current Development Division uh we have tonight as chairman stated for injury appoint preliminary PD plan plat approval this is for a total of 56 residential units 450 single family and in a phase 2 56 multif family units that will come back before you at a later date um on the location map it shows the property uh laid on a street grid as you'll see to the north is 13th Street and to the South is 17th Street and then it's in between 27th on the East and 43rd on the west southwest yes approximately 277 acres of land U on the aerial you can see how it fits in with the existing development pattern to the North is all residential you have the Shady Oaks subdivision groer Estates unit one the Ansley Park PD and then at Katy corner to the Northeast is Majestic Oaks across 27th AB Southwest to the east is Oslo Park and then to the South across 17th Street Southwest is the millstone Landing PD um what looks to be like it's kind of pushing down into the site or the site's wrapping around it however you want to look at that is the grover States unit 2A uh the preliminary PD plat the layout that they have here shows the internal Road Network Meandering throughout the development uh which is a much nicer development pattern then what you see in your traditional development that has a grid pattern which is straight roads um this one is how it's designed has sort of a traffic calming effect to it with the curvature of the roads um it's very well laid out on the traffic circulation plan so the The Proposal is for two full access driveways that will connect to 17th Street Southwest the Western most driveway is going to have a left turn lane that's heading Eastbound and then a right turn lane into the project that's heading westbound U there also going to be future uh turning movements to the South into what will be the echol Lakes PD when that project comes back in uh the eastern most driveway is going to have a right turn heading westbound into the project um to the north it does not have vehicular access except for an emergency access fire and ambulance is 20ft wide and it's also going to have a pedestrian access that was required to be put in during the uh South County initiative so that folks liveing to the north they'll be able to Traverse through here to a future School site on the South if and when that comes in or commercial uh there will be two three lane bridge connections one at 13th Street and one at 17th Street which will cross over 43rd Avenue St water treatment plan there are 13 separate lakes on the site all interconnected by drainage pipes that all work together to take the runoff and treat it in times of high rain events the outfall is to the north to an existing uh lateral that runs along the south side of 13th Street Southwest the shaded areas you see on the slide there those are about six or seven existing Wetlands they are all being preserved and intact in their current form and will not be impacted uh there's a Upland area around each one of them as you also see the existing groer Estates that sort of pushes down into it there has been no lots that have been proposed up against those existing homes um and they've been buffered on all sides for the landscape plan a tight B buffer ranging in width from 30 to 50 ft is being provided along the entire project Frontage on uh 13th Street Southwest where groer States dips down into it that's a 50ft tight B buffer that surrounds all sides along 27th Avenue is another 50ft tight B buffer and along 13th Street South excuse me 17 Street Southwest is a 30-ft type V buffer along 27th Avenue developers decided to enlarge it even more to a 75t type B um the minimum buffer requirements in the PD is 25 ft so the developer gone above and beyond what is required by code uh each Pond that is over an acre that has a permanent pool in it will have loral plantings loral Zone a shelf and all the details of those plants will go through on the ldp and then Lakeside trees as well takes us to the staff recommendation staff recommends that PCC Grant preliminary PD plan plat approval for injury app point the following conditions that are listed in the staff report you have before you prior to issuance of an ldp for phase one developer shall obtain a board of County Commissioners approval for a developers agreement this developers agreement is going to include provision of water sewer and reuse water utility improvements provision of drainage capacity within the development for the future Paving of 13th Street Southwest and 17th Street Southwest and expansion of 27th Avenue Southwest so 13th and 70 17th are going to be extended from their existing Terminus of pavement to 43rd into the two three-lane Bridge connections that they're going to provide uh 27th Avenue is offsite from the project doesn't directly about it and that's to forlane that with an a median of 17 ft in width and irrigated um those are all going to be in the developers agreement and it'll be hashed out at that time as to the timing the exact timing of all those and the County's involvement as well the 27th widening there's some RightWay that we do need acquire so we're going to be working with the developer on that uh Stafford condition continued these are more conditions that are also required prior to issuance of an ldp for phase one is to dedicate without compensation the ultimate rideway for 13th Street Southwest 17th Street Southwest and 27th Avenue Southwest developer is to contribute to the County $194,000 for improvements to the South County initiative Park uh that is for a a park site that would be like a regional park for not only this community but the surrounding communities around it and that is not impact fee creditable uh there are to obtain Public Works and planning staff approval of all required offsite improvements and obtain planning staff approval of detailed landscape plans for the common areas and the buffers prior to issuance of certific completion for any of the respective project subphases the have shall construct any other required improvements such as sidewalks along common uh land and buffers that are tied to that specific subphase or otherwise guarantee the Improvement as we provide the ldrs in the form of bonding via the final plat the applicant shall establish public pedestrian access through the project from north to south which you talked about earlier that's going to be coming off at 13th Street Southwest prior to CFC for phase one the applicant shall complete all required offsite improvements as outlined in the developers agreement that will eventually come before the board of County Commissioners a separate preliminary PD plan plat design and approval is required for the multif family track that's going to be phase two they have the track on here the number of units so it's locked in for the number but that design hasn't been showed so that'll come back before this board as well or commission and then as part of the PD resoning no two-story homes may be built on adjacent Lots this came out of the 2006 approval for their um conceptual plan and resoning Alternate restrictions on two-story homes within the project may be approved any Al at two-story condition will need to be reconsidered by the PCC and the BCC o with that be happy to answer any questions commission may have the applicants are in attendance as well so I'll start from right to left we'll just go that way any questions I have one sir I noticed that there's not a requirement for widening 43rd Avenue the 27th from fth Street Southwest to 13th is there a particular reason why it's stopping at 13th and not proceeding on to 17th Street Southwest or is that just result of traffic study so there was a result of the traffic study that was conducted back in 2006 these conditions were really a carryover from the previous approval this project did have preliminary approval back in 2006 but that became null and void as the years went on as you know that was quite a few years ago um and at the time the traffic study was conducted the amount of background trips at the time only warranted the the widening north of there and then where it crossed over it wasn't warranted to actually create any more Lanes other than the two that were there but there wasn't a lot of development in the South End and there still isn't actually and I would assume that is because of the traffic flow that was designed because most of that's going to go north towards the grocery stores and US1 and into town as opposed to Fort Pierce I would I would imagine that that's why that would be that way correct and in in the future you're also going to see a lot of traffic hitting West as the new h interchain opens so it's going to help to kind of diffuse the traffic pattern and not just force it all the way up 27th and 43rd to get to 60 you're going to see some traffic hidden West as well now would there be an updated traffic study and know you said that the last one was in 2006 and the L happened in since 2006 for that traffic study I mean will there be an updated traffic study to confirm that that's all that's needed I would imagine there's at least going to be a preliminary traffic study that's required by public works during their ldp okay um we we'll see how that plays out but I would assume there would be something a little more current um if anything there's uh probably going to be background traffic trips that are there now that weren't acquire that weren't accounted for back in 2006 there wasn't much traffic on there so if anything there might be there won't be more improvements put it that way than there is now because they don't have to account for all the traffic that has been on these roads since 2006 to 2024 that'sa thank you thank you for clarifying any further questions yes sir Mark just one I hope um you mentioned U the availability of Reus water is that required for all PDS it is not required for all PDS uh this was an item that was looked at as part of the South County initiative to alleviate our Wastewater Plant from the water that it has to actually put down underne OA after it's been through its final treatment um to spread that out onto the Lots themselves and as an admin to the subdivision that's something that's still being worked out with utilities as whether or not that is going to be a final item that is required it was like I said these conditions here were carry over from the previous condition so we've played them forward and when we get to that developers agreement and get to the ldp a lot of those things are going to be re-evaluated if you will uh we'll have to look at confining layers to hold the um storm water the ReUse before it's actually irrigated onto the site so and the the length of line that has to be run all those things are going to have to be looked at during that ldp and that developers agreement but the developer has to provide the irrigation in infrastructure to each lot and common area uh they would run the if if required by utilities they would run the lines to the site and then along the roadways uh each individual Builder would then connect that to an irrigation system or it may be that the ReUse is just used to irrigate the common lands another thing that's going to have to be worked out is how much volume they would take in where it would be put well sometimes re water becomes scarce it can okay thank you chip one of the items was brought up is regarding the the 2006 study and I 18 years and there's a whole lot more development that's going on in that area um so I'm very concerned about traffic through there you mentioned that 27th would widen but only 13th Street Southwest um what's going to happen with the intersection of 27th Avenue and 17th 17th I that's the main entrance for this project and um also for the properties to the east which intersection you referring to 17th Street Southwest and 27th Avenue Patrick I don't mind what are we going to do with that intersection uh thank you for the record Ryan Sweeny assistant Planning Development Services director um so quite a number of things Have and Have Not happened in the past um how you know 18 years um the so the applicant because they have approved conceptual PD and PD resoning that's basically ve vested to that extent they elected to stick with everything that was previously approved um back in 2006 2004 to 2006 you know things were going crazy and so um what was at the time Turtle Creek is now injury point was part of seven different PDS that were all approved as part of the South Loosely part of the South County initiative two of only only two of which that have been built milstone and Falcon tra so while there has been development since then the the numberers that were actually injected into the traffic study here are actually probably way over inflated because it accounted for Echo and trips and Trail and the other three that escaped me at the moment so I my my best guess at the reason why it stops at 13th and not 17th was that Eko and Falcon Trace and some of the other developments further the South we going to pick up on that leg the other thing that I do think is going to happen is when we get to the point of the Developers agreement we're probably going to have to really uh truly sit down with this developer as well as the others that are in various stages of approvals and pin down exactly how 27th is absolutely going to shake out for the time being they're sticking with the conditions exactly as they were um but um in addition to the seven that were part of the South County initiative we do have one additional PD that's in the area that's on 43rd so it's a moving Target and uh you know the good thing is good or bad depending on you look at it only two out of the seven have been built in the past you know 20 years but the other five could spring about pretty quickly so we're it's a it's an Ever moving Target that's all I can offer that particular intersection traic lights is already so 17th at 27th it's already signalized with turning lane improvements for Millstone and Falcon Trace currently turn Lanes on 27th Avenue in off of correct yeah milstone built that portion with uh Northern phases one and two and it does dead end or well it it it terminates at uh where Millstone ends ideally if if and wind Eko comes in there will be a new North cell North South Avenue it's either 35th or 37th depending on which plane you look at that will be a midblock uh Avenue between 17th and 21st um which will kind of again the grid helps disperse everybody's going every which way and depending on what's the most convenient for what entrance you live approximate to you're going to go out on 35th and down to 21st you might go to 17th you might it depends on where you're going and which way is convenient for you but the more options and the more different ways to get there the better well and these both of those bridges are going to be built prior to co for the community right so CFC Str certificate of completion was similar but yes right and there are other so there's other projects one of the issues with the St with the South County initiative and just sort of the trying to fit the puzzle pieces together is there are overlap there's projects that have overlapping um responsibilities or requirements so Eko or um a different project may have those same responsibilities what would be best for would be for those folks to partner together or ultimately join with the county to bite off these chunks and a you know combin man thank you curious sure is the conditioned to contribute 194,000 for public park improvements also uh brought back from the original correct that's purely a South County initiative item yeah cuz I've not seen that on other uh you have you've seen uh maybe not that so Lakeside West which came back to you all in 2021 had a $90,000 contribution um red Tree Cove which is a new PD that was not part of the South County had a percentage contribution to one of the brid so there's all these little bits and pieces and puzzles and ideally if we can get them all to if and when they come in we can make make the initiative come come to be but yes that that oddly specific number and condition is is a carryover from before Ryan yes I have a quick question for you sure and perhaps this may kind of ease some of the questions um it looks like and please tell me if I'm looking at this wrong um between 13th and 17th and I read on the report that they're dedicating right of way right is that little strip there am I seeing that correctly that that's right away they're dedicating to us or is it along 17th I just wanted uh which it's kind of like on the east side there between 13th and 17th if you look oh kind of looks like it is yes so where that where the hash where the crosses is the buffer but there's a gap between basically where the buffer ends and where the existing RightWay line be starts that would be that's the dedication that's the dedication so basically that would line up what's currently there now now for basically the exit of millstone cuz millstone's a little wider and then it kind of bottles off yes precisely so okay that's what I thought so that would kind of I guess wind up widening it up a little right right and there's a notch there as well and the reason we're not getting anything from 43rd is because of the canal obviously so the right away for 43r is coming from the west side so okay so is it I'm sorry you see the notch yeah that's the only thing we're getting then from is the notch or the whole that will that's the current um right way but it's going to notch basically line up with that kind of Notch and go up right yes that's what I thought I saw on there so just to kind of I guess look at that kind of thing it will kind of eliminate the bottle it yeah it'll match the what's to the milstone to the South okay yeah because there is gho coming in across the away from 27 yeah Wisteria has to I believe they're taking well again hence the pieces to the puzzle yeah so there's there's that too um and then I do have a question as far as the conservation easement stuff and uh I'm a little confused because I had saw the one where it said all the Hat hashing that's where all the um preservation area is at for Wetlands right those are the wetlands specifically but that that's not that's not the only Conservation Area that's specifically the wetlands that were identified okay but they may so they may wind up developing and putting stuff in that area right like the buffers is what I'm seeing if you want to talk a little to that slide no I think all all because that was on the storm water sides that cuz see you see the hashing when you go to the other one MH so if there hashing there for example to the West I thought you were saying that's where the wetlands at correct no the dark gray is the Wetland the dark gray okay okay thank you never mind then that takes care of that question I had I wanted to make sure we're not double dedicating I like we can't do that I don't want to get their hopes up you'll see perimeter yeah you'll see cross-hatching around the perimeter of beach Wetland that's an Upland all right that takes care of that never mind for a illegal standpoint the rest of it is all y'all thank you um yeah I have one more sorry um on the buffer that is extensive around this that that's uh um very very nice to the developer to to increase what's required is there existing vegetation there that you'll be able to save and just augment or is this all going to have to be just torn out and replanted and and uh what would the plan be for irrigation on that if you're requiring this prior to a sea of sea I mean they obviously can't build 400 and some homes there um all at once and to irrigate that becomes a little bit of a um nightmare for the developer and I'm just wondering is that going to be coming out of the Lakes you know so what's the plan to to get that in there and to sustain that buffer uh if we would that's an item I discussed with the engineer of record on this there is a lot of existing vegetation that they're going to try to preserve as best along the perimeters okay and then fill in the gaps with new plantings to make up the plant quantities that are required of these type B buffers and then there will be a irrigation system that drafts off a well is the engineer of record present yes could you please come forward sir maybe answer the question for him thank you Blain burgesser kma engineering so so once again you know how the irrigation of that when you're having to supplement and put in there you know is there a plan in place I know fpnl is very difficult to get electrical in and those kinds of things ahead of time I mean I've just dealt with that with a with a separate uh uh development and so I was just making sure that there was some you know something wasn't going to hang you know hamstring you and and all of a sudden I can't put in all of this beautiful buffer and then you can't move forward with your project and something like that so just wondering what that plan was and and how that's being addressed yes of course so one of the first things we'll be doing after clearing out the Exotics will be digging the ponds and spreading the fill across the site so most likely as we're putting those buffers then we'll be either irrigating out of those ponds or we will be you know drilling a temporary well just to take care of the buffers okay until they're established and that once they're established I mean that irrigation usually goes away um but you can keep it or or it really becomes minimal irrigation you only when necessary so that's correct yes but you're not putting in like a big Hoover pump that's going to do the whole whole buffer area and everything like that or no and it'll also depend on once we clear out the Exotics how many of the existing trees we can utilize in those buffers in some areas there might be a lot more already established trees so we might just use water trucks in order to irrigate them in other areas we might have to install a small well and a temporary irrigation system it'll all depend well thank you appreciate that thank you sir further questions I have one more hopefully quick one uh all I know is what I read in the funny paper ERS but this is a pretty big development and luckily I guess the schools are in this area are only about half full but um is that our schools uh going to be a problem in the near future a short answer no a a slightly longer answer um I'm almost glad you asked so um because right now we're in the we're in the of our school concurrency working groups which ultimately culminates in the elected officials group here in the summer but um even before Co but especially since Co we've seen either flat or declining enrollment um and the other sort of postco factor that we've seen due to some State legislation is private schools are increasing so uh that being said the South County initiative actually does have a School site that due to the time that's already surpassed as has has gone past its U 20-year uh reverter clause and that actually reverted back to the county so if it truly were an issue um we could dedicate it back to the school district but uh School enrollment is is certainly not an issue in this area and neither and it probably won't be even as these developments come online because we're seeing something in the order of 80 to 90% are empty nesters so thank you any further questions anybody like to come forward and speak no okay um can I get a motion on this move to approve motion to approve second second all in favor hi that's unanimous next item on the agenda is Oslo mine request for a major site plan and administrative permit use approval for the Oslo mine Banyon Grove ink owner K engineer and serving LLC agent zoning A2 agricultural 2 up to one unit per 10 acres land use designation ag2 Agricultural and that's basically up to one unit up to 10 acres this matter is also quasi judicial so if there's anybody like to come forward and speak this evening please stand up and be sworn in you swear airm tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do and has anybody had any meetings or any kind of okay none huh don't matter we're turn it over to you fellas all right thank you Mr chairman U thank you for the intro spot on uh for the location the site is generally located in the North West corner of I95 and sorry let me you know my OCD there we go all right and O the road um uh this shows the site laid within the aerial there's nothing out there right now other than what used to be Groves it's now I'm not sure this is even a work farm right now but there the Pit's going to be down in the Southeast portion of the site and it's going to have stockpile of its material immediately West and you see a little Loop Road as the trucks come in to pick up the dirt and move um so this site is being the pit is being excavated specifically for fill material for the building of the oser road interchange this is basically to stand up the on-ramps and off ramps at The Interchange um part of the requirements for any pit is we have three measurements on here one is from the stockpile to the nearest residentially zone property which it more than exceeds probably double um then you have a requirement of 500 ft from the edge of the pond to the nearest residentially occupied structure which would be lot 42 in the airr subdivision it's 895 ft to the back of the lot and then a few more feet to the house itself so that's more than met and then there is a requirement for any subdivision plaed that is on well and septic that there can be no dewatering within 1,000 ft of that subdivision so the thousand foot line actually comes to where the little tal shelf is which is only being cut down to a depth of 2 feet there's no dewatering to do that so they're not within that zone U they've actually also stated that there will be practically no dewatering of the pit because the Pit's only 12T deep so they can do that by mechanical means without the groundwater filling that up the hall route here on the map shows that the the trucks are only being taken this dirt to The Interchange so it's not like a a pit that you've seen before where it drives throughout the county roads this one will just go down oo Road and deliver to Each corner of the intersection of 95 in Oslo so no impact to other roadways the restoration plan shows that upon completion of the pit which they're U having a self-imposed restriction of only being a year uh that the pit will be turned over basically to a lake the loral Shelf is shown in the green up in the Northeast portion of the pond and there are multiple oak trees that are in the location of that pit that they're actually going to relocate you can see all the little circles on the outside that are being put specifically there to help buffer and Screen the pawn from motorists coming off 95 or even down I 95 excuse me down Oslo uh brings it to the recommendation uh staff's recommending that PCC Grant a major sight plan and administrative permit use approval for the oso mine with the following conditions Prior to site plan release the applicant shall submit the compliance and restoration bonds pay all Impact fees and obtain final concurrency uh we have received the cost estimate for those bonds and approve those we just need to get the actual Bond document so we can present that to the county attorney's office and have them approve that for legal sufficiency that's just a sight plan release condition we're going to have uh during the mining operation material stock pile shall not exceed 25 ft in height and there shall be no offsite discharge of groundwater that's right from the mining permit requirements in chapter 934 of our ldrs and the material from this mine shall only be used for the creation of The Interchange and the mine shall cease operations upon completion of The Interchange uh with that i' be happy to answer any questions you may have and the applicant's representative is in attendance so I this time I'll just start from left to right is there any questions what's the time frame that they're looking at uh to actually physically move all this dirt so upon approval they're ready to get started now on the pit and they're expecting to have all of the material that they need to dig and place where the ramps are going within a year yeah the do is pushing forward and they're wanting to get this moving so they need to dir now and they're going to be digging it out and putting it where it needs to be they're not going to be delaying on it so this is not going to be a pit that has an extended period to it U where you've seen some that go five years or 10 years this is going to be less than a year perceivably yes okay that's the plan we've been waiting 40 years on I'm sure we can wait a little bit yeah we've got good movement on it now any uh further questions is there any plan for development of that property afterwards no they've stated that once the mine ceases that it's going to go back to an agricultural operation with with the caveat that yes what the C that more than likely that whole area is going to see land use and Zoning changes um I would think with that exchange there that that's just becomes Prime Property they designed it accordingly but until they know what the zoning and lands and all those things will be but so for the interum it'll just be kind of staging uh yeah I had a question I I'm fairly familiar from my previous life with uh strip mining and but I'm not if somebody could remind me if I ever knew what this uh hydraulic mining is okay um hydraulic mining is typically mining done by a front end loader or a back ho there's they're not doing any blasting or any um what you heard fracking in the past where they put water down there and break it apart and just basically going down and digging the dirt out and removing it big digging a big lake yeah it's it's a big lake but it's only to a depth it's the hydraulic machines that used the front end loers are all hydraulic as you know runs so that's strange to me but that's the terminology yeah any other questions questions no would anybody like to come forward and speak no okay I have one question sh please Chad um regarding noise I mean because you do have properties to the north east there and there's not a whole lot of out that way than 95 that's Prof quite a bit what is is there any protection I mean I don't want people coming back you know three months after it starts and then it was back in 07 or 08 champ they put that mining moratorium in and they crafted all the ldrs are grinding mining there's going to be a massive dust prevention program there there's also going to be some sort of sound prevention on the property also to protect the neighbors and I'm sure they can go into more detail on exactly what they're going to request but all those things were put in place that previously didn't exist just like the stock pile is no higher than 25 can't dewater off the property all these things occurred back then and those are all protections for adjacent Property Owners Todd we have a position open in planning no no no those were lessons that were really hard learned for me so he's exactly right there basically when the mining ordinance went in place all of those all of those you know externality controls went into place dust noise all those things that being said I think the road noise from 95 is probably louder than the day-to-day operation and and also addition that I think I'm right Ryan also that they're going to have to have a water truck on site to run that hall route constantly so there is an additional dust kicked up in the neighborhood or even on the site yeah the good news is the the the hall route issues are typically and I don't I won't even mention them by location but the existing mines that we're dealing with is is you know there's residences and folks that are immediately accessing the the hall rout so this this one truly is sort of probably one of the most benign mining isolated so yeah very very sight specific uh mining that that has a single purpose and it's not just going all over the county and going over roads and every every road they go over they're going to re you know they're going to repair and the making of the exchange so I mean it it doesn't seem seems like a no-brainer to make sure how far west is the property because I can't tell what that road is uh oh the property itself um yeah that's 90th Avenue as if if you look at the the very West limit of the property is 90th Avenue right very Western but the Eastern is um 82 is it's it's kind of hard to it's kind of hard to explain because if you I don't know if if you've looked at the map how the they do this kind of weird loop around with 82nd now with the RightWay acquisition but it yeah it's hard to explain but 82nd kind of would dead end kind of right into I95 but in order to Clear the onramp Stage my concern was you know heading south off of Oslo I know there's quite a few ranchetts down through there right no and I think yeah I don't foresee a huge um impact there for the time being the stockpile boundaries are rather small compared to the size of the pit is the plan just pretty much keep that empty and right I think the plan is to keep the dirt moving and keep it busy yeah the reason for the stockpile is to let it dry out a little bit but otherwise it it won't stay in the stockpile area long well if you look at it they're hold they're whole idea is to try to get this done within a 12- month span those stock piles are are going to be made and then going to be loaded off and made and loaded off at worst you might have some stockpile overnight but I can guarantee you by 9:00 in the morning that thing's going to be knocked down again and be trying to build another one is there any idea how big the trucks are or loaders or anything like that trucks they have to go over Road oh they're highway highway trucks yeah just like when you see uh you know fil trucks driving around town that's probably going to be the magnitude of it because I don't think they're going to put any massive applicant and engineer and the the actually the dirt contractor here as well so um he can answer but I don't think we're going to see earth mover size machines is there a those on exactly those those tend to be right on site correct is there a time frame of operation lied yes uh it is the typical hours even though again the limitation doesn't apply to mines that are west of 95 which strategically just happens to be just west of 95 but they did agree to the typical Monday through Friday 7 to 5 with the last truck leaving it for um I that's the standard code that's the standard code right they are further out out of the way so they could technically apply for a different hour every all of those details are controlled in the mining permit which is an annual permit this is strictly the approval of the mining operation and not even the operation the mining site and the site plan that's associated with it but the the the operating characteristics are controlled by the mining permit thank you any further questions none okay no one wants to come forward and speak okay can I get motion motion to approve motion to approve second all in favor I I it's unanimous okay next order is a commissioner's matters are there any I believe Mr Ryan's going to be answering my my matters that I was going to bring up so I was considering just skipping over that tonight planning matters all right three three quick items I know I said two but third important one as well so first order being that I did hand out these these handy dandy little Flyers this is our kickoff of our urban service boundary study project website it has its own dedicated website on the back is a QR code if you scan the QR it takes you directly to the website I'm almost certain I'm not positive because I haven't accessed it from the County website but I'm sure you can get to it from the County website as well um I was going to send out a PDF of this fler as well I'm going to challenge the seven of you to share it with at least seven others and try to pass it along we've already had a pretty good uh engagement but we're trying to search high and low for folks to visit and participate there is a survey online that you can take um and also their workshop dates are uh on the website as well do you have those by chance and I will tell I have them if you if you would like I believe and just fact check me if I'm wrong uh Wednesday May 8th Wednesday May 22nd and Wednesday May 29th morning and evening so I that's here that's here in the chambers right uh no so 8th is North County library right 22nd is IG Center and the 29th is here in the chambers and again and the two meetings will be here correct one one at daytime and one in the evening um so and again just reach out to us or Chris Balter with long range if you have any questions how are these being distributed uh which part the most amount of people these um so we've done we've done quite a uh we did a eblast to 25,000 people we've done social uh media ads um we're going to do a standpoint can I have that email list please no unfortunately I think it's a public record thing we're not we're not allowed to use this position for our own personal benefit right right exactly um secondly uh bad news depending on how much you love these meetings we are probably going to be having a May 9th pnz meeting so do plan we've already actually we've already advertised uh two public hearings for the May 9th we're going to try not to have the second meeting May so we try not to over we try not to have more than two or three in a row so and last but not least I do uh see some C now just one Charter School St I'm assuming Charter School student uh here if not then a bad assumption but if you if we need to sign anything for you all uh to prove attendance we're happy to do so and that's it for me Ryan I'm assuming permissible to put these up in the office absolutely and you guys you're you're welcome to attend of course if there's more than two of you in the room just you know best to just avoid each other but I know multiple Commissioners are uh County Commissioners are going to be at these hearings and you guys are more than welcome to attend and participate as as you know as usual just avoiding any Sunshine conflicts I'm kind of old school so can I get a stack of these absolutely yeah along with the email address I'm I'm backing off of that for right now sure no we we've actually we've we've received more responses to this particular Endeavor than probably all other previous Endeavors combined already so it's a it's a very near and dear topic to a lot of folks and we've done a huge Outreach so what uh stage is this project at U the public input and surveying and stuff like that but have you got a consultant working on it is it right right so this is all being the beginning or the middle we in the first third of the project probably so to speak so we have a consultant the website just went live a few weeks ago the public the round of public workshops are all in the month of May I Envision and I can't I don't know the timeline exactly but probably the summer months will be data collection finalization with ultimately um recommendations and hearings back to the board in the fall is my so spring summer fall we're in we're still in the spring so we're in the first third of the of the study thank sorry there's more than that no worries sir yeah you promised me only a minute uh attorney matters this meeting is