>> Nicole this meeting to  order. Please Marni. Would you  call the roll.  >> Council member of our  correct council member  Elizabeth Cohen here.  Councilmember Ken Rosenthal.  vice mayor Sharon Mahoney here  and Mayor buddy Pender here we  have a quorum.  >> Alright, I've ask to lead  us to firefighter there to  lead us in the pledge. The buy  United States of America and  for which it stands. One  nation God. Indivisible,  liberty justice for all. Where  is coach Amman in here. Still  continuous a quick prayer.  Tony, I know which on the  spot, but.  >> Clearly extemporaneous  haha. What's value their  father. Thank you so much for  tonight and thank you for this  board. And pray that you will.  Let's member Council citizen  of the village. We pre wisdom.  for the perfect will be done  in this community. And thank  you for this community.  Beautiful place to live your  blessing of this meeting  tonight in your precious name  Amen. Amen, thank you, coach.  >> Coach pastor what thinking.  More coach right now. Right.  K. Okay. we're going to move  Council. requests for  deletions or emergency  additions.  >> Anybody. Henry.  >> Under the consent agenda.  Some people discuss with tie  for 5. 6, 7, like to move it  from the consent agenda. So we  we can have public comment for  4, 5, 6, 7, please. You may  else.  >> Vice mayor even know. Okay.  Mark, anything.  >> Okay. Mister staff would  request tab. Why really into  the purchase of that church  property get moved to  Thursday. We've been working  diligently with attorneys for  the church on the purchase and  sale agreement. just like to  couple minor things we need to  iron language out for. But  were confident that we should  be. We should have it ready  for Thursday. So if we if we  can just move that to the  Thursday meeting that would be  great. Okay. Council. Are we  okay with that. Okay.  >> And worst. I hear says he's  still here because I think he  was here for okay. You you  understand right. Okay. I  thank you. All right. A or it.  So there's no additions and  deletions are going to move  this to Thursday.  >> With that said, we're going  to move reports presentations  and announcements. So to have  one is the proclamation  declaring May 19 through the  25th as emergency medical  services.  >> Chief. Do you have  something with that. Okay.  Well.  >> Where it. Marni heap. Do we  or do we have something were  given to unaware that we were  doing this. So I do not have  a. Presentation copy, but you  could read the present read  read the proclamation from  your Okay. All right. We want  to do that. We can do Haha.  Okay. EMS week proclamation to  designate the week of May 19  through the 25th 2024 as  emergency medical services  were as emergency medical  services is a vital public  service and.  >> Whereas the members of  emergency medical service  teams are ready to provide  lifesaving care to those in  need. 24 hours a day, 7 days a  week and whereas access to.  Quality emergency care  dramatically improves the  survival and recovery rate of  those who experienced sudden  illness. We're injury and  whereas emergency medical  services has grown to fill a  gap by providing important out  of hospital care, including  preventive medicine follow-up  care and access telemedicine  and whereas the emergency  medical services system.  Consist of first responders.  Emergency medical technicians  paramedics emergency medical  dispatchers. Firefighters,  police officers educators  administrators, pre hospital  nurses emergency nurses,  emergency physicians trained  members of the public and  other out of hospital medical  care providers and whereas the  members of emergency medical  service teams whether career  or volunteer engage and  thousands of hours of  specialized training and  continuing education to  enhance their life saving  skills and whereas it is  appropriate to recognize the  value and complex minutes of  emergency medical services  providers by designating the  emergency medical services  week. Now, therefore I Joseph  be pinned or 3. Mayor of are  on a village of the islands in  recognition of this event. Do  hereby proclaim the week of  May 19 through the 25th of  2024. And emergency medical  services week, the 50 year  anniversary of the MS. We  seen. Is MS week honoring our  past are forging are in  forging our future. I  encourage the community to  observe this week. With  appropriate program ceremonies  and activities. Thank you  guys.  Would you guys like to  come forward. Hate.  >> Along with second and  somebody's going. He said he  only got to it to you. I so.  Okay.  >> We're going to we're moving  on to tab, too.  >> Which no, excuse me. I'm  sorry. I do myself here. All  right. So we've got that done.  She fable. Okay. You're  supposed to introduce the  proclamation. But that's okay.  How about Richard Clarke is  Richard here. For Monroe  County. One young men.  >> Thank like that. and the  toss-up. I'm Richard Clarke.  I've spoken to unless all of  you at one point or another. I  was here not I'm not quite a  year when we talked a little  bit about big picture, what  we're doing. I have I can do  this anyway. You want. I I  brought and liked. A very  short par point. I can run  through that kind of gives you  the outcome of our Justin  conditions Sunday or you guys  can look at that on your own  anytime you want and we can  get right into the meat of our  on-demand service reports  entirely up to you. The people  see it. Okay. Okay. Okay. '04.  I going here. Okay. So we  spent. $350,000 issues. The  county to look at the entire  County and what our system  look like today. You really  can't build anything unless  you're really not working or  not working. And so that's  what we took a really good  look at. And when I say really  good, look, we. Thousands of  hours, thousands of people  enters what I want interviews  surveys. The idea. Behind the  effort was again, let's figure  out how it's working. Why its  work in who's riding why their  writing? All of those things.  We need all that and caracal  data to understand. A system  that works for the keys and so  everybody I know says, hey,  you're a lot like the roaring  fork Valley which is Aspen,  Colorado and then you I talked  to guys out there and they see  a 125 mile long, single Road  in and they want to throw up.  They do not a deal with that.  With all with twentysomething  bridges and you know, the so  we have our own our own set of  issues that are just because  of the geography in which we  live. I'm not going to read  all this have thing we don't I  don't read power 0, 0, 1, So  really what we want to do is  kind of take our performance  measures, figure out how to  right. What is a fleet look  like. What is the right size  fleet look like currently.  Today. We are. We have  basically exploded in growth.  Post-covid we have an  enormous. Social economic  challenges. Most of it with  housing for years. Housing  affordability was the number  one concern in the county when  we do our biannual look at  what's important to people and  the past 2 years. That's  flipped and now transit  transportation figuring out  how to get around is has  become number one housing is  still a very close second. But  there are ways that we can  bring those 2 things together  from a transit perspective,  which is the idea. So most  people, you can see this. Some  of this was news to me the  most people using the system.  Good to get to work. Not a  surprise. What was a surprise  was the number of people that  pay cash for their ride.  That's 70% is an unheard of  number. That's a big number.  And as you as you build,  that's a challenge. We have to  figure out so we we have a lot  of unbanked folks that just  simply have no other way to  pay other than cash. So we  have to work through that  order to figure out how to the  system. So are challenges are  not that they're simple to  solve, but they're simple. We  have a little bit of a  disconnect obviously. And  marathon Key West is doing a  lot of what Mara has done.  They recognize that we need  some things. And so you try.  That's what you're supposed to  do. Your special reach and try  to make it better for your  community. And so they're  doing that with some on-demand  service that they've tried.  They're doing it with some  rush hour service that they've  tried. And and some of the  works they may. They they're  willing to Cannes to to try to  make it work and change it  needs to be changed. So. Our  first and primary goal is to  shorten this piece. This is  the starting point for us.  It's offering services. The  first one ever off at the  server offer us local service  was I'm rana.  >> First one to do it. And  that's what we want to do. We  want to mirror that. That's a  service that just hasn't been  offered throughout the keys  and really needs to be. Plus  it's how we get people to and  from the commuter service when  it's working, not when you  have to wait 2 and a half  hours for bus. But when it's  working.  >> When you see like plans  locally, we we did what we're  supposed to do we took a hard  look, I I have to constantly  coordinate with fdot and us  dot, which is part of the plan  mainly because overseas is a  state Road. So if we want  anything positive out of that.  We have to work with fdot. Oh,  by the way. Fdot is slated  probably in the next 5 to 10  years. I'm going to say 2 to 2  and a half billion dollars  worth of work in Monroe  County. It's an unbelievable  investment. They're putting in  our County and I everywhere I  go. I sing their praises. They  are unbelievable partners for  Monroe and really want to help  us at all levels of transit  and our road system in our  infrastructure. Just as a plug  for them. I think May is there  public meeting for the 7 mile  bridge pne and getting it  started and then 2026 is going  to be the switches in your  backyard. The snake Creek PD  and E will start. So they'll  have that same public. But you  should kind of be thinking now  we have reconstituted says  aside from all this. The  transportation master planning  group. And which is an elected  from each municipality and one  from the county. I staff it  for everyone. We are trying we  are rebuilding a list of  priorities to present fdot.  They've asked us to do that on  an annual or biannual basis.  The first 12 have all been  looked at. I there's  completely down by fdot  predominantly by fdot some of  them. I bore when I came here  from the county perspective  and others were simply that  doesn't work, which is great.  I mean, I know is an answer  whether you like, you know, no  as an answer. We can move So  it's now time to reconstitute  that. And I'm going to ask  everyone will be a lot will be  here in the community a lot as  well. There is no bad idea,  but we need to normal and then  we will debate internally as a  group pay. This is what's  important to us. We will take  that. Let's back to each  municipality and county  elected and you guys will  decide. This is what's  important to us and we will do  the same and then we'll all  get back together. Present a  master fdot. At the process  work. Great fdot loved it that  we did it and they change  their priorities as a result.  We have a few operating  scenarios. The big number is  operating and that's down the  road. We're starting turnkey  system, which is what you guys  have done with freebie. I have  already applied for a grant  from us dot for 30. Transit  vans electric transit vans.  That's what the administration  is giving, whether you're for  or against. That's the only  thing there giving money  towards they would they would  be 5 zones throughout the keys  that we would do that rada  would be one of them. You see,  these are the 5 zones. It's  based entirely on need and  population. So it's a numbers.  completely numbers. Turban.  And as we grow and build this.  What it will do again is allow  Key West to pull some of its  buses that are doing the  service. Now back on to our  roads so that we can eliminate  longer wait times. We've got a  significant capital  investment. Again, most of  that. I always go to the state  and the federal government to  help us with the capital  costs. They love capital  dollars, its operating dollars  that they prefer not to be on  the hook for. We're going  through it. We're applying for  a lot of them. The latest  Grant I'm working on now that  the fdot an fta have very much  encourage us to pursue isn't.  Inter Island Ferry service.  Not Miami into the Atlantic  Ocean. But from. route of the  marathon to Key West smaller  Bayside. Making it up as we  go. You know something Stop  here. Stop Inc marathon at as  city facility and then maybe  qs bite. I'm probably wouldn't  take you any longer than it  would in a car. So be and  every human on that. Perry is  a human that's not on our  road. So it's a home run for  us. we're working on this  every day state, local we're  working on some other  designations have got to see  if we can do it. There are  some ways where we can get the  state. If we get the right  designation where we can get a  100% funding from the state  and to the fifty-fifty. But  that requires some work a Deo  office art. Our. But they come  the. Diggs. Yes, them for the  Commerce. Thank you. So. I say  all that to say we're working  its lightning pace for  government work. You know,  governor wasn't built for  lightning pace. I learned long  ago. Government is service  based industry and the people  that need our services the  most are the people that can  least afford to pay for the  service. So it's just kinda  where machine is built. We  have recently. Finished an rfp  process for micro transit.  Eerily similar to what you  guys have up here. We had 5  respondents the winning bid  was unanimous. The number one  was Second, 3rd flip-flop, but  number one was unanimous  across the top. Freebie. Just  frankly put a better proposal  together than everybody. So as  I did talk to people prior to  the rfp going out. You know,  there's a really good chance  that after we go through a  process. We're in the same  place. You guys are here. I  understand. I wrote a very,  very tight. Rfp on what my  expectations are. And from a  management perspective, it's  going to fall to meet him to  manage. We are. Going through  our contract process now with  our policy makers like you  where they will approve our  contract at our next meeting  will help. I know what our  goal is to start just like you  and understand what works and  doesn't work for stock Island,  Key West. It's our dipping,  our toe in just like you did.  We're going to learn and it  will move a little bit. I'm  sure depending on what our  needs are, which frankly going  to be different. That's why  we're doing on the man  systems. They work really  well. Enroll environments like  this smaller populations  worked really well with an on  demand. To curb. I don't know  that everybody understands the  difference. It is not  door-to-door like uber. We are  tnc. It is also not free for  us free for me would be really  painful for Key West transit  and frankly, as the transit  director for the county. I  don't believe in free. Hi pay  something. So it will be $2. A  person just like getting on a  but a big bus, will just be  smart. It's still a fabulous  deal and it's safe. I wanted  you guys to know where we were  in our process. I expect us to  my hope is, you know, early  July. We'll be starting our  service working hand-in-hand  with qs transit. So we don't  disrupt what they're working  on. I know I've talked to are  the group we have to deal with  that fdot from a funding  perspective. You the policy  makers and I were out of the  elected officials have a  couple of things that you we  have some pending deadlines.  The number one deadline for as  fdot sees it as your  acceptance of the grant that  you currently have. Their  deadline is June 30. That's  their deadline and fdot, trust  me, I we all know. They're not  they don't turn it around. In  a day. You realistically need  to and the next. week or so.  Like you need to decide  whether or not you want to do  this. You have to decide or  that's going to go away. And  then that doesn't stop you  from applying by the end of  the week. For the next round  of funding, but it does. The  continuity is gone from an  fdot perspective, they love.  It's a three-year plan  essentially it's not a 3  template, a three-year plan.  And if you make it substantive  change debut substantive  changes hours of operation  number of vehicles changing  your geo-fencing, any of those  things. Your 3 year clock  resets. So. You've done a good  job of positioning yourself to  accept the grant you have  today. And reapply as your 2  of this service as it again,  as you've. Have you tweeted.  But step one is you want to  grant. You have and that's a  policy decision that's not on  us. And then step 2 again, a  policy decision. Do you want  staff to pursue the next round  of funding. I can tell you we  are pursuing the next round  funding. If the long-term goal  is. But upon it is to say,  hey. We're not in the business  of transit per se. We really  need someone who is in the  business of transit to take a  good look and let's see how we  build a partnership. Talk to  rob a little bit about it. I  think the right methodology  and anything like that is you  the elected officials need to  say this is what we want to  do. When I say this. I mean,  we do a partnership that we  want what we do. You instruct  your village manager. This is  what we want to do. And he and  my County administrator. Get  together. Obviously talk  through a win told the new  want is and then we go back to  our policy makers. We got to  our County Commission. Rob  comes back to because you  might not like the deal that  we came up with sitting around  the table. So. At any time on  a decision like that when  we're talking about nearing  government entities together,  having one of us. You know, we  always want to help. And we're  always here to help. But at  the end of the day, you're the  5 people elected and so we  staff members. City and county  administrators take our  marching orders from So. I  leave it with that. I'm happy  to answer any questions about  process or what we think is  going on that. Nice to see.  But when I sing you spoken  over the phone several times.  But this is first time met  person.  >> Sound taller than I am.  >> How with the understanding  that that and more for us. To  apply for the grant which will  give additional years. There's  2 things that has to be  considered. Number one. It's  timely sense of the word. And  it has to be into the dot by  the end of. And we're for it  to be in by the end June. We  have to make your mind up by  the 10th of June something  very close to it because the  paperwork is very involved.  And if we apply for late  presents a problem. Number 2,  if we apply for the grant and  get it. Is that money or those  monies. Used by you as well.  Or you're just on your own  representing the whole County  and those are different figure  into what you want to do. 2  things. The first I would tell  you my conversations with fdot  is they would like your  decision yesterday right on  their process. Our application  for the grant has no bearing  on your application for the  grant. At least today. I know  fdot, you know, also likes  communities working together.  They just do they think a  build a better system. So  that's been their track record  for quite a while. I've  already offered help on any  way, shape or fashion. I can  your. Your team anyway. I can  getting building the right  Grant and making it look  right. I will tell you that  you know, as long as we. Do it  properly. It's not a big  document it's it's online now  they don't even accept paper  as long we fill it up properly  as long as we meet the  criteria they're going to give  you your second and 3rd years  of year. Of your service.  >> No, you're proposing to use  freebie, which I believe  you're all about to use and  stock on and he was correct.  >> We put out an rfp and  freebie was the selected  entity. Yes. And if you are to  take over service. County wide  and hopefully you would like  to improve and. Incorporate us  as absolutely you are  definitely one of the 5 for  sure. Yes, I understand that.  >> One of my major questions  is who's going pay for.  >> the county wide service.  We've where were on the hook  for the vehicles. We were the  ones that we apply for the  grant and we would spread that  out throughout. We we'd have  an you with every city in  order to operate. And those  cities. And we haven't gotten  that far. I mean, it's just I  will tell you the bus stop  perspective. We would build  own and maintain that was are  always our thought. Bus system  changes infrastructure,  changes, rideshare changes. So  I don't have an and a good  hard answer on how it gets  paid for. I will tell you.  What normally happens is if  there is not a county wide  funding. Sir source, whatever  that may be in North Florida.  They have a gas tax that they  use a penny because they got  all their tolls taken They  voters voted on it. So that's  their funding mechanism for  the entire County, including  the 3 Beach cities. So. If it  doesn't have dedicated funding  source like that. You talk to  each municipality and you say  but can you do. How do you  want to do Let's figure out a  way to work together. We don't  our job is to make it  incredibly efficient and help  everybody in the community  and. If there is no other way.  You have to talk to each  municipality so other than  that, I don't know of another  way to fund If we ever too.  >> your proposal. We would  save a lot of money. would  save a lot of money. That  correct. I would imagine you  save money. That's the whole  idea of doing is you'd save  money.  >> Economies of scale  minimally. Yeah. You guys. on.  >> One U.S. it would be that  complicated. One minute. is  your proposal as to when you  would like to begin, if you  get our support.  >> So. I haven't even begun my  own service. So what I'd like  to see is our service start.  >> You make whatever decision  you think is in the best  chances of our rada with  respect to the service you  currently have. And allow the  administrators and the Pa and  our my County Commission to  say, hey, if if we indeed you  make that decision. How do we  work together and build the  best mousetrap for the long  haul. If the U.S. dot says  yes. Monroe County go do good.  Here's your. Here's the money  for your 30 vehicles. Then  everything gets much easier.  Now where County wide. You  know, the county will manage  obviously a 100% of that  system. It becomes far more so  those are 2 different things  went very short term and  longer term. us that elected  body need to make those  decisions. First I have to  get. My sea legs under May we  have to, you know, government  doesn't move lightning pace.  We would need direction from  you internally and then I  would need direction from my  elected officials to I don't  get to make. I don't get to  arbitrarily make a decision  like that. Those 5 elected  people with.  >> Jasper Mind bills you do  you anticipate they using. And  stark on and he was 5. yes,  and cover that amount of.  Approx mile marker. Well,  first personally have 3, I  believe appearing It's  reasonable to assume that, you  know, would be 3 for here as  well. Just a guess, but it  could be 3 again. The here's  the.  >> The nice thing is I we can  pull all that data and figure  out how many what the right  number is somewhat that.  That's what we're planning on  doing. We did find some things  in our testing conditions  study like everybody assumes  like there's this big surge  really early in the morning.  But in Key West, the surge is  actually about 10. It's not  early in the morning because  that's when all the service  industries flooding in all the  bars and restaurants are  opening and even in the  hotels, that's where the surge  So I'm just a little. And  every locale is going to be  different. Well, it's a little  early to get down to the finer  points 100%. I understand that  as well.  >> But that your hope I  suspect. To gain the support  from from the rest of the  county. Oh, absolutely. That's  what I'm on the traveling road  show as we speak.  >> The other. other thing  again, we're ahead of the  time. But. There are people.  That $2 a ride. Is a problem.  And you given any thought to  subsidizing certain  percentage. Income, low income  people. even made him work  economic for them if not free.  $2 just the conversation.  anybody thought  >> most systems.  >> free and reduced rides for  seniors. people that are  attending school. But there's  normally a mechanism where  there's something tangible you  can tie to it. But there's  there are lots and lots and  lots unused elsewhere that  it's used all over the  country. Sure assessed by the  situation.  >> conclude. Okay. All right,  Richard, I mean Council, we  have anybody else would like  to talk to Richard any  questions. I just want to say  thank you. I've talked to  David Rice, commissioner Rice  at length about this. And we  really I think we're all  excited about what you're  doing and it makes really good  sense for us to work together  with you. We can stream mind  this. You guys are on it. You  have a great relationship with  fdot. You know. So it only  makes sense for us to try to  work this out together. And  this is going to be cheaper  for all of this and it's going  to be more efficient. You know  that from from my perspective,  it's.  >> The better system we build,  the more confidence people  have in the system, the more  people that will write our  system. That is that's always  the goal.  >> I like the idea the ferry  just because they I'm I've  never seen fdot and the FDA  both kind of excited and about  that prospect and told us we  could actually use the numbers  already from the Fort Myers,  Marco Island Ferry as part of  our effort, but just helps our  funding. So it's good Can we  just asked Robert to sort of  summarize your next steps and  what you're hearing from.  >> Richard. Okay. There. Sure.  >> I just want everyone on the  council to be aware that I've  been in contact with the  Florida Department of  Transportation, both with  respect to the a grant award  notification that they sent us  in August of last year and the  timing for getting that back  to them as well as the  potential to modify some of  the terms and conditions of  that original agreement was  predicated on the idea that we  would have cars running for  longer periods of time than  what we have now. Those  conversations are ongoing fdot  is accepting of our ability to  get back to them with respect  to that prior Grant award and  not later than June. 12th. So  that gets us past the June  11th meeting time to do some  additional research and bring  that back with the staff  recommendation to Council and  our June meeting and then it  would be returned back to fdot  the very next morning and  they've indicated to me  specifically that that timing  would work for them.  Additionally, when it comes to  the grant application for this  week. I want to have some  continuing conversations with  Monroe County as well fdot to  make sure the opportunity to  apply for another round of  funding is not lost. But at  the same time, I don't  overcome it based the  discussion that transpired  last time leading to the grant  application them trying to  modify so that we continue to  have access that funding so  longer we really appreciate  the county's efforts to have  consensus or we all of us, all  5 of us on And I mean, this is  a great thing.  >> That, you know, coming  together and figuring this  out.  >> I think the question is  going to put this group is  going to be.  >> Well, while we're waiting  on this because this is not  going to happen within  probably couple years on your  end.  >> Which one your whole lot  terms perspective.  >> I mean, best case scenario  would be this time next year.  That's I like of everything  went absolutely perfectly. But  the shorts shorter term  discussions with fdot and  others are. In front of you  now.  >> So the question we have is  in the meantime, which, you  know. we want to continue our  freebie service. And pay for  it or get a grant for. That's  our question. Which I'm sure  will be outlined next month.  >> would ask. I think same  question in a different Why  are we waiting to accept a  grant that is going to save us  money right.  >> I think the question is do  we want to continue the  service because that grant is  a 3 year, 3 year grant.  >> Well, the answer is a  little more complex were not  accepting the grant  immediately because I have to  try to modify the terms and  conditions of that grant with  fdot and last we are still  talking about extending the  hours and doing what was  proposed under that initial  Grant application. Not since  that grant application was  originally we did not proceed  with the service modification  plan. That was the foundation  for that grant application.  Therefore, to get to the point  of accepting and I have to  have a continuing conversation  with fdot as Monroe County has  highlighted. They are anxious  partners to see. Micro transit  last mile solutions. I think  that's a good thing. Working  in our favor in those  conversations are playing out  live as we speak. So between  now and the point we need to  get in June. I hope to have a  very clear answer on this  question and a recommendation  to council that relates to  acceptance of the grant that  we're referring to. In the  meantime, I'm going to be  talking with the county and  coming up with a grant  application for this week.  Actually, that makes sense for  what we're presently doing and  doesn't find is necessarily to  something that I haven't  received policy direction on  yet to proceed with. So it's  it's crunched a little bit by  timelines that we've inherited  to this point and a little bit  of complexity because of what  we propose last time and then  did not really do. Although  the surface itself has been  maintained at the levels that  was at when that grant  applications are rejoicing  minutes I'm trying to pave the  way for success in both areas.  Bring it back to Council in  June for a confirmation the  staff recommendation is is  consistent with councils  expectations and the  community's needs.  >> What you might not  understand in. Richard, thank  you for the hundreds of phone  calls I've made to you and  your input and what we've  talked about. This man knows  what he's doing. Clearly. And  the one thing we did talk  about was that we don't need 3  cars till midnight. So I'm  thinking that's what you're  talking about. The adjustment  is that our service does not  need to be as intense as grant  was originally done. Is that  correct. What I Yes. Okay.  That's what I thought. I'm  thinking that's probably what  it was. So far as I'm  concerned, I would let this  gentleman take control of us  get. On board with Monroe  County because this is the  wave of the future. We have to  do what's best for the  community save us money. He  definitely we'll be right on  top of that, rideshare like we  haven't been and he'll watch  every move to see what is best  for. Everybody in the case,  not just on rana. behind  Million percent.  >> I think that there's some  consensus on that. But. The  issue is how do we fund  between now and when he's  ready to be online, which is  in the future. I mean, he's  looking at. That's what?  that's working on. Right.  Right. But you will for seed  with your And I just like life  room for him. remember too is  in okay. event time we.  >> She changed horses in a  sense of the word. We can all  raise this apply for the  grant. They don't if use their  money or not. So that option  is still open without  consequence.  >> And I just like to  underscore as Mister Kirk  highlighted that part of this  involves the conversation  between the county  administrator myself and they  need to gain a approval. Our  our agreement from their  County Commission with the  proposal to kind really look  at this holistically as a  county wide operations. I  think everyone's saying the  same thing here. We're very  conscious of the cost. We also  want to maintain our access to  grant funding to the maximum  extent feasible. And yeah, I  think partnerships make strong  Grant application is their  strength in numbers to  question. Absolutely. And  reduce costs opportunities  from you know, synergistic  effects. Richard, thank you so  much your time. Thank you for  everything you're doing. And I  know.  >> I've talked to the mayor,  you know, and I mean  everything you guys are are  working on You know.  Consistently what's another  word only. Jimmy, you're just  you're going for it. I we know  we're going to see a good  process a little bit. A lot  from the feds will be off to  the races. Okay. All right.  Thanks for coming. Thank you.  Okay. Okay. Rob, you're going  to give us update on the  baseball field update schools.  >> I'm going invite Mister  look here from Monroe County  school district up to update  us on the status of the  school's plans when it comes  to a developing a a  perspective plan for  renovating the field and what  they're envisioning in terms  of collaboration with the  village of Island Marotta our  village Council and gaining  some public input engagement  and shaping that concept that  would then come back for  approval to this village  Council as well as the school  Mister Thank you so much for  taking time from your  schedule. I understand you had  another meeting at the school  district. I'm glad that you  are able to make it this  evening and relate to us what  your plans are. Thank Mister  called the timing worked out.  Amazingly. They just bang the  gavel in the school board  meeting here about 5 minutes  ago. So the.  >> The timing was awesome.  Mister mayor last. Let me  first start out by thanking  you once again for giving us  the opportunity to up and  present to you so you can  understand fully what it is  school wants to do with regard  to the founders project, the  school board in the village of  had a long history of  collaboration and cooperation.  we don't see any reason that  that will continue into the  future. As you may recall, I  came and presented in front of  this group back in December I  provided an overview with what  the coral shores program  requested with regard to the  improvements founders Park to  the baseball field. After much  discussion. It was the  direction of the council at  that time, one to hold a  community town hall meeting  and 2. To come back to you  within updated renewed. A  inter local agreement. on  March 4th to this year's  village staff facilitated the  a town hall meeting here in  this building that a couple of  you were in attendance for and  we're open to conducting a  more of those. As many of  those as you feel is  appropriate moving into the  future. 2 weeks the new  village manager, Mister cool  and superintendent extra deny  a set down to a at his request  to kind of bring him up to  speed and what the high  schools requesting with regard  to. improvements at founders  Park to the baseball field.  And also to develop a plan  moving forward to continue to  see if we can move this  project forward. It was a that  meeting. It was decided come  before you To bring that inter  local agreement that you asked  for. Last time I was here and  that's kind of the soul focus  for us tonight is just to move  forward with the inter local  agreement. If we If we can get  across small hurdle. The next  step would be to come back to  you. with the the licensing  agreement which would be  referenced in this document.  And a part of this document  that would would detail. What  the program would use the  field for as well as a detail  that scope of work. We talked  about last time with regard to  the improvements. This would  be that next opportunity for  us to talk about that School  of work. If in fact we are  able to move forward with the  licensing agreement we would  then return to the council  with that contract that I  brought you the last time we  were here because that gets us  across the goal line with  regard to starting the design  process. Remind you like told  you last time there is no  current plan. There is no  current design that happens  once we move forward with the  contract. And my guess is  within about. A week or so of  approving that contract, we  would assemble led a design  team that would obviously.  Involve representation from  the school district in from  the school, but also from  village staff. And if so,  desired even members of the  community could part of that  design team very early on in  that process within a month or  2. We would then be able to  come to you with a conceptual  design of what this project  would look like would come  back to you multiple times  after that after each phase  the design receive input  received direction, any  guidance you with regard to  what goes into that Park or  doesn't go into that part. So.  once we get through all of  those steps. we would move  forward with the project. But  not until we get through all  of those steps. Do we go  anywhere on this project. We  cannot move forward. Without  this project every step being  approved by both the school  board and the village Council.  It is our plan to continue to  be as transparent is and  co-operative is possible.  Throughout the process. I look  forward to continuing to work  with Mister cool and take his  guidance on how to with this  Council because we want  nothing more than a the  success of this project not  only for the coral shores  athletic program. But for the  citizens route I can take  questions. Counseling.  Questions. Mister call. We got  anything else.  >> No, Sir, not on this topic.  Thank you. All right. Thank  you very much, Mister mayor,  thank you all for coming.  Peter, do you want to talk to  us about can now one 47.  >> Good evening. Council  Franks pull up Presentation.  brief presentation. I'm going  to show tonight. So as you may  be aware, the village is  planning on moving forward  with a canal restoration  project at Canal. One 47  that's the canal. And between  Atlantic and La Sara lanes on  lower matic Cumbie. And  tonight I'm gonna aired is the  topic of a proposed new  special assessment that we are  proposing to fund a certain  component of this Canal  restoration project without  which I'll brief you on  tonight. So just to remind you  counsel why we're doing are  the main reasons we're doing  these can now restoration  project says is because of our  status. Then the area of  critical state concern in  2000, 20 the governor and  cabinet did. Create a new rule  which implemented canal  restoration work program and  that is included within our  comprehensive plan now and  that work program does provide  the framework and the  accountability for completing  these restoration projects.  And we do have to report back  annually every year to this  date on our accomplishments  with these work program tasks.  So one of those tasks that we  had to complete was too  tablets the system to evaluate  all the canals within the  village, which there are 63 of  and to rank those canals in  terms of which can now with  his most in need of  restoration down, which can  now was least the need of  restoration and then to  identify which type of  restoration technology. I was  most appropriate for each one  of those canals. Those  technologies are shown there.  We did complete that task. We  published a document. I was  back in 2021 with all this  Canal information that that is  available on our website. So  this is just a ranking list of  the top 17 can now is on our  list with most in need of  restoration working our way  down that's very small. There.  What you can see the red  triangle there that is can now  one 47. Now we're talking  about tonight. So that was  ranked as canal most in need  of restoration with that  technology of the week. Gator  or air or week curtain.  organic removal backfilling  with an estimated cost that  was back in 2021 of about 2.3  million dollars. So this is an  image of Canal. One 47 and why  was it ranked highest on the  list. Well, because it  consistently had some of the  poorest water quality readings  and water quality and access  of any County village. You can  see from this image, the  color, this water. This is  common occurrence.  Unfortunately within this can  now. These 2 photos here were  sent to me by residents along  the canal. You can see that  photo on the left. This can  now does receive. high levels  of the star Gaza in the summer  and fall and sarcasm is  present due to the geometry of  the canal and its orientation  to the ocean. Winstar guys  unloads are heavy comes in a  can out this Canal does not  have good flow that sargassum  is trapped in the back of the  starts sinking and decomposing  at least to those conditions.  You can see there on the right  that photo on the right. I did  not alter this photo at all.  Residents. And it's me just  like this. They wrote in their  the 0.8 are highlighted a red  triangle and road in their  clear. Clear blue ocean beyond  shallow can now entry. So not  only is this waterfowl  looking, but it's also  foul-smelling when it gets  like this. I've visited this  Canal numerous times that  hydrogen sulfide side smile.  That's emitting from the  decomposing. Sorry, guys. just  terrible. So it's not a great  way for these. This community  are the folks in this  community to live. Also  another one of the important  criteria as we use for ranking  canals is the homeowners  willingness to participate in  a canal restoration Project  and their support for it and  the support from this  community here has been  excellent. I've been working  with them for years now to try  to get a project and one  implemented and they are  they're very much in support  of moving forward with this.  So what we have planned a cow  one 47. Well, we are planning  on an organic removal first,  which is removing that so  layer that mark, that's  accumulated at the bottom of  the can now we're planning on  a backfilling with the crushed  limestone rock just like we  did a canal. 1, 1, 6, That's  the photo shown here. And  we're also proposing air  curtain at the mouth of the  can now too reduce the amount  of weed and sarcasm from  coming into the can now we  have security 2.5 million  dollar grant to the D e p  stewardship program to fund  the full cost of this project  from design through  construction, including  monitoring. So to talk more  about the air current. That's  where we're going with this  assessment. So the grant funds  everything up to the point of.  Funding for the ongoing  operation and maintenance of  America system. This is the  canal just to the south. One  47 this is the matter can be  resort property on the right  which does have an error  occurred in place right now.  The village actually maintains  this. We installed it actually  twice it was destroyed. is  pretty simple equipment it's  really some air compressors.  You can see them on the right  just air pumps Aires  pressurize through those  hoses. There's diffusers at  the bottom of the can now. air  bubbles come up and it's  actually the bubbles that are  preventing or limiting the  amount of starred as another.  We from getting into the  canal. It is electric, though,  right. So there are electrical  service charges with this. And  of course, there's parts of  theirs routine maintenance and  repairs. So that's what we're  talking about here with this.  This proposed assessment is  funding these operation and  maintenance costs. This is an  image aerial view. The  property appraiser's office  showing the properties that  are that we would be  discussing here again, this is  Atlantic and La Sara lanes. We  do have a model for this  because the county has done  exactly what we're proposing  here. They created a new  taxing district where special  assessment can now that  operates and maintains an air  occurred. So we're kind of  basing our our models after  them. So here's some cost is  the first time I'm showing  cars. We have a very good idea  of the operation cost of this  does because the village does  have. We do maintain a number  of these air curtains and  because of the county project  as well. So we're looking at  about these are annual costs  there in that box operation  maintenance $16,000, maybe a  little bit over. We would be  working with a firm answer  advisory. It's a consulting  firm at the village uses for  its assessments. We use them  for our solid waste assessment  and our storm water  assessment. It's also the firm  at the counties. So there  would be a fee associated with  that, which we would integrate  into the assessment. There  would be a statutory discount  fee also associated with this  answer very much recommend,  including contingency costs.  There's a tax collectors fee  and they also recommend a  village administration fee  exactly what the county does.  So we total that up are  looking at about $22,500  annual cost for the residents  to operate the system. We want  to divide that somehow equally  amongst the residents there  are 18 parcels affected here  and 22 lots meaning that for  those parcels contained 2  lots. So if we divide that by  18 parcels, each property  would be looking at $1250 per  year. If we want to divide  that by lots are assessed by  lot the about a $1000 a year.  So we're looking at say  between a 1000. $1250 a year  for each property owner for  this assessment. Okay. Next  steps for this. So staff will  be holding a virtual meeting  in 2 days with the with the  residents. But this is not  going to be a surprise. And  then we've been discussing  this with them. For 2 years  now. But we what we haven't  shown them yet is the  estimated cost because we  just. Kind of figure those out  so wanted to present that to  the council. First. So you  guys were the first ones to  hear about More than a  surprise to you. So we will be  doing that on Thursday. After  that, we were going to handle  this the same way the county  handle that we're going ask  you to vote. We will send them  a certified mail letter asking  them to vote whether they want  to participate in this new  assessment in this new tax.  It's greater than 50% of the  people come back and say yes,  they support it. We want. They  want us to move forward with  it. Then move forward with it.  If it's less than 50%. We want  to do it. If in fact the  residents to vote to move  forward with it. There are a  couple illegal steps that we  have to take one of those that  that is the published and run  a notice of intent for 4 weeks  on the proposed new assessment  program and then Council. It  will ultimately be up to you  if you want to move forward  with this. This there has to  be a resolution that sully  another legal. Step. We have  to take to support or create  new ad valorem assessment. So  tonight we're not asking you  to vote on this just wanted to  point out this is going on. We  do want to move forward with  this. We do have a a proposal  from that with that fee which  would get integrated into the  assessment. But we do need  their assessment that think  there's actually illegal  reason to. We need to use a  consulting firm. John has more  about that. So that's it. Just  want to update you on that.  there's any concerns or  questions at this time. I'd be  happy to answer them. And any  questions for pier. All right,  Peter, good job All right.  Thank you, Sir. All right.  With that being said, we're  going to open general public  comments. So if you're here  you're not speaking on a tab.  >> You cannot. Morning. We  have any takers. Sure. Do.  >> We have first stop rolling  more.  >> Roland. More from lower  matic come became. On behalf  of myself and my numerous  neighbors. On lower matic we  were absolutely horrified. By  the recent outrage is  political. Witch hunt and the  news last week. That by former  Councilwoman Deb Gillis.  Against one of our fame are  finest ever councilman. Henry  Rosenthal, the allegation  contained outright lies.  Regarding an alleged conflict  of interest, giving terrible  publicity and public censure  reprimand. Deb Gillis herself  should be censored. For her  false accusations. And I would  ask the court or Council to  give Henry back his $2500.  Assessed against him among  other concessions. As a  lawyer, I can tell your get  your innocent until proven  guilty. I was appalled at the  fact that. Henry would have  had to spend about $50,000 to  fight. This outrageous  allegation. Thank you.  >> Thank you, Martin is next.  ALANA Davis plantation key.  First, I want to thank Mister  coal for coming to the parks  and rec meeting. It was a  pleasure meeting. You. I you  do seem to be a very  thoughtful and intelligent  person. And I pray that you  maintain your positivity  throughout these procedures.  >> Since church issue has been  tabled. Till Thursday can make  a comment about that.  >> You know, so we John, can  we.  >> I it's not on agenda. I  really okay.  >> Whether you're for or  against it. I really want you  to think about. Do we need to  spend another 4 million  dollars. While marauder  residents money. To purchase  another piece of property. I  understand that maybe a  library could go in there as  Sharon has said in the past.  But we already own the island  silver and spice property. We  could build a library there.  It's more central to the  location for all the citizens.  Certainly has a huge  population both North and  South. What would really be  the point of buying the church  property. Is it to keep CVS  from purchasing it and moving  their location to be closer to  Publix. Well, that's not  really fair, is it, you know,  to keep. And industry a  commercial and ever from  buying a property. Just  because you may not want it.  There. It's 4 million dollars  of our money. And you all have  been interested to be the  stewards of our money. So  please give that. Really  serious thought. Thank you.  Marni Hughes next, please.  Next up is banking. That.  intended for Mount I'd like  first. Say how. Happy I am.  That Island. Marotta was the  point man. On the community  transport. Scene with our are.  Freebie deal that we've had  going for a couple years.  People have seen it work. And  now the county's interested in  it and going County wide with  it. So I'm just very happy for  the people on that. Staff on  the diocese and in the  community, the push to have  this happened because we have  become leaders in in community  transport now. and we should  we should strive to remain  there as the leader of Monroe  County and other ways than  that. Also like to  congratulate the staff. Mister  Cole. And in those of you on  the dias who pushed for this  after action report. Because  the after action report is  very thorough, very  informational. Truth. And and  every citizen a rather should  read it before the next  meeting and before this  meeting, this this thing here  was was a available online,  lot of people didn't know what  to look for where to look for  it. So I would ask that  anybody with a computer would  download this to find out the  status of our apparatus.  Because it's very important  thing. and being being happy  with those I was not  particularly happy with the  the discussion of the one 0.7  million dollar Pavilion that  decided that we're going to  build. to my way think it is  just a ridiculous. so I came  up with the. An idea for the.  The flag contest. We could  have. We could have a clown.  In a dunce cap sitting on the  Jack a** on a purple  background. With with village  of idiots. Hi Limor Ana, under  it because this is a waste of  of increased incredible waste  of money and time. That we're  being asked to spend and in we  want to sister city. Well, I  think we should choose  Twinsburg Ohio. I think we  have a whole lot in common  with Twinsburg, Ohio that we  recognize and understand and  the people in alum rock that  you recognize and understand.  with the with that being said.  I would I would encourage the  the staff to to keep on  keeping on doing what they're  doing and thank you very much.  Have a nice evening.  >> Learning use next. Next  step is Deb Gillis.  >> Good evening Council double  dose of Iran to I wanted to  speak shortly about Because it  wasn't on that and area where  we have public comment. I  think it's important that you  go ahead and accept the grant.  We're. As Richard said, one to  2 years out. Maybe less. But  in the meantime, we need to do  something by accepting the you  can you can change things as  you're going Rob is working  hard. Trying to catch up and  figure out what we can do,  what we can do. Even the  existing terms that we turn  then saves them. Money of the  tune of $65,000. If I remember  right over course of a year.  Can can Richard save us more  money by combining with them.  Most likely. But in the  meantime, we we has banned  said we have been a leader and  they've chosen. I'm kind of  our program. They're going to  modify But that's what we do  as we go forward. So this this  by accepting this grant grant  one. It doesn't mean that you  can't change grant to or grant  3 and work forward. It just  starts saving you some money  on what we have existing. I  believe that if you talk to  Jason from freebie. You could  probably all to the contract  and start charging the $2 now  on not exactly in favor of  that. But if that's what the  program is going to be. yeah.  I think you could probably do  that starting sooner than  later. And as for putting 3  cars on the road when we  really don't need it. The  original plan of that was a  test program to find out where  that traffic is and it would  those figures would help  Richard going forward. No,  that Island. Marotta is  different or not different.  And that that 10 o'clock does  holder know we really need  that the 8 o'clock or we do  have a lot of midnight  traffic. We don't know that  we've never had enough cars,  even test them. And that's all  I have to say about freebie at  this point of time. I will I  wasn't going to, but it will  make a short comment about the  ethics. Investigation. That  was an investigation. I just  took the facts forward. They  investigated the the ethics  board is the one that did  those figures not me. The  board is the one that found  the facts and publish the  facts. That wasn't me. I just  said maybe they should look.  >> Marni Hughes next.  >> David holker. Okay. Mister  Hoecker. Go ahead. You have 3  minutes. We can't hear you.  >> That an affirmative.  >> We can hear, you know, yes.  great.  >> Okay. Well, this is in  regards to tab a With regards  to 5 plan dedication permit  allocations nightly sincere,  thanks, Mister Hoecker. If  this is if this for a specific  tab.  >> The common needs to happen  at that time. This is just  general public comment. That's  not associated with any item  on this agenda.  >> You got the call back when  we're on tab. 9 for public  comment. All right. Thank you,  Marni anybody else. I yes, Don  Horton.  >> Good evening, mayor and  Council for the record, I'm  Don Horton and 47 schooner Bay  road from Iran. On March.  First, Aqueduct authority held  a public workshop on the  upcoming pipeline installation  on when the key many thanks to  Judy H* for coordinating that  meeting. There were several  members of the public at the  workshop, including a  stakeholders business owners  and people who just wanted to  be informed on what to expect.  The workshop was very  informative and include a  presentation from the project  manager. He's a few brief  comments from the job  superintendent from the head  of engineering from the f-k  David hackworth. One  interesting item that came out  of the meeting was related to  the blowouts in the leaks that  we've been experience on the  pipeline project manager  mentioned several times that  the pipeline had reached  useful life and it was way  past needing to be replaced.  It was just old after hearing  these comments during the  presentation. I decide asked a  question about the aging, the  condition of the pipe. the  past. You've been told several  times that the pipe was  blowing out or leaking because  it had too much flow or too  much pressure was being placed  on the pipe and you are also  told by some that they have  had been given good  information from people at the  Aqueduct that the demands and  placed on the pipe is the  cause of the blowout. So as  the project manager, if in  fact the issue was due to too  much demand on the pipe too  much pressure in too much  flow. The project manager  deferred to the engineer for  the Aqua answer the question  and Mister hackworth answered  in the negative. In fact, he  said the pipe was designed for  much higher pressure, much  higher flow. Then what was  being placed on the fight  specifically said fight who  simply an old pipe. That was  constructed of a different  kind of metal that was being  used for the replacement fight  and he said the engineers are  the designers back the end of  the opi didn't use a cathartic  protection and didn't take  into account the harsh salt  environment that we encounter  here in the keys. He is sure  to saw that attending the  meeting that. They're using a  new or different steel and  they're using cathartic  protection and there,  including that in a much  better pipe and hoping that it  will last much longer. So I  mention this only once again  to remind you that just  because somebody has their own  agenda. Yes, because somebody  tells you something with a  straight face and with  authority. It certainly  doesn't mean that there's  merit to their comments are  facts behind their comments.  Perhaps we should trust, but  verify, perhaps she should  just consider the source.  Because if you really want to  know the truth using just have  to ask the question. Thanks.  >> Anybody else. As for All  right. With that being said,  public com. Mancini.  >> Can. Paul doesn't like  public speaking so I told him  I take a hit for him most you  guys may have seen it in the  paper saying social media. 4  weeks ago about a half hour  after this meeting concluded  one of our deputies out doing  his job was on a traffic stop  and I got hit while doing a  traffic stop by a drunk  driver. He has received  numerous He's doing well. He's  in great spirits, but he has  received as many units of  blood is there's people in  this room right now. So he's  gone through a ton of  surgeries. That being said,  the sheriff's office has taken  point and we're doing a blood  drive Thursday right there on  the frontage road between the  chamber and the Q. A village  admin building and it's from  12 until 6. If you've got  armed with warm blood and we  need it. So please come out  and donate and I appreciate  everybody. Thank you. Thank  you. Chief.  >> Alright money so nobody  else right. That is correct.  All right. With that being  said, public comment is now  closed. And Don, thank you for  that You know, Aaron, Kotler  is a project manager and he's  a super-g. I mean, really good  gun. All right. Mayor Council  Communications. I think I  guess you're up on this one. I  just I want to I want to say  one thing I did not know about  this until this morning.  Because my book was unchanged  until I walked in there for my  briefing.  >> So I have talked to Mister  quick about this. I can ask  for this to be deferred. Tell  June because it wasn't I  didn't even I had no idea.  Telling with the my briefing  this morning about this. I  don't know how the other  Council feel about this. But.  And I you know, I love for  Jennifer. To give hurdle take  on this, but Council summit.  Leave it up to everybody If  you want to chime if you want  Mister Greg to go ahead and do  it.  >> I'm not gonna lie. I had I  was a little bit. Triggered by  like, oh, my God, we're  reverting back to the old days  where things came up that were  surprised because it's. I  don't know what you're talking  about here. I want. I want die  ask for a man trying to  express to you that the way  sort of.  >> In our new and improved  Council way. We we have all  the information in front of  us. It's laid out. We have  cover sheets. It's there's  communication. So I'm not so I  feel comfortable coming in.  Know what the heck we're  talking about. I mean, you  know.  >> So was I I was a little.  I'm a alarmed here. But. I  mean, if you want to just do a  lecture. I mean, okay. But I  don't want to make any  decisions. I don't want I  don't because it's not I'm not  prepared for that. And I do  not like to sit up here  without.  >> Full information.  >> That's but that's why I  brought this up was a right  now. What you're? Your  presentation. Vice mayor  Mahoney.  >> It just got this tonight.  On a little taken back that  this looks like something  that. Maybe Jennifer should be  doing and not you. I'm sort of  surprised actually. And I I  like Elizabeth. I'm wondering  what's what's behind this.  Because they're usually is.  I'm questioning why we've got  this last minute and how fair  this is to all of us. Can I  speak. Orson, ask you, Arden.  I said I've never stopped you  from speaking. I had asked  that we have an item.  >> That I have place on the  agenda. Reserved and it was my  understanding that that be  done that should be done by  Thursday. That I don't recall  the exact rule, but I thought  I had it in before the  deadline.  >> There are rules of  procedure. I believe indicate  that council member can add an  item to the agenda Thursday.  >> So I thought it meant the  deadline. Let's assume that I  did rather than force it down  your throat, so to speak. I  hear your reluctance and your  concern. I'd like to get your  attention. I don't want push  this on you until you have a  full chance to look at it.  What would you say if we push  this to Thursday. It's a  discussion item. We're not  going to vote.  >> right. I just need whatever  the can you just give me more  information do that I because  I. We knew we were being  receiving a set of data, but  where do you want this to go.  What's the story? What's the  history of whatever it is that  can do it. I mean, they are do  it on Thursday. We matter so  you know, I don't know how to  do it in a nutshell without.  >> His son y'all off some way.  Sorry for my. Cabbie, Larry,  but.  >> Is this a suggestion about  you. Is that what this  basically I I don't have idea.  I'm not going to ask you at  the end to take any action. I  want to present some data to  you. I want to open your eyes  to what we're doing. And then  I would like us to have a  discussion about where we want  to go. Some things that's it.  guy and do it now.  >> Who can I just request for  the future when we because I  think we were doing pretty  well on this that when we put  items on the agenda because we  all have our stuff. can we  just request get a cover sheet  with. With the intention. And  and if if we background and  history put it on there. We  need help with that. We need  to make sure that all of us  have had ample time.  >> Well, that's just what  you're saying. Okay. And in  market was nothing against  you. But I brought it up with  Mister quick at the end of our  thing. And I said, hey, if if.  >> You know, since I just got  this right now. Not even 8  hours before the meeting. You  know, because they renewed my  book when I got in there, I  it's OK, this so go. I mean,  if if Council is okay with  that. Henry's OK, churns. Okay  would go ahead and  >> But I I do not want us to  make a decision based things  where we don't have all the  information we need. That is  the exact point of why I want  to talk to you tonight. That  is exactly it. I I read our  agenda. if there is a  complaint that my request came  late. That's on me. I accept  that. I didn't have a lot of  time to put it together. I  just something just kind of  and a light bulb went off  moment, whatever you want to  call it. So what I what I kind  of came to me as we There was  the church item that was going  to come on for tonight. Now  that's pushed to Thursday so  that gives us a little  breathing room. That's a  positive thing. We're going  talk about amending the  allocation and that the past  thing to add in the work force  units that's related to what I  want to talk about. We have a  other real estate acquisitions  that we've made and some that  we're in the process of all  speak about that in a moment.  And then we have some it that  the June But I've heard  they're coming. Some  applications for us to approve  either for the past 4. I don't  think it's really the Ministry  relief and the ones that are  There are several that involve  that involve hammock property,  you hammock fan. Thank you  very much. I wanted us to kind  of look at the at this in  context. So just to give you a  quick list of things. You may  or may not know that we're  currently negotiating to  purchase the property that is  straight across the street  from where we're sitting  straight across the highway.  It's a I don't know if it's 10  acres of land are. 7 acres of  land. 3 acres of water. But  it's a total of 10 acre  parcel. It butts up to  plantation Lake estates  community. It's a it's a big  open peace. Lots of  environmental benefits to  buying that. It's been listed  for sale. And I believe Peter  has been working with the  county on us trying to acquire  that. Hopefully probably with  some County funds or state  funds through the county. So  that's one transaction that's  up on the table right now as  we speak. Youve, they've been  told about. I think you have  about the other one that's  about 6 million dollars. It's  down below beacon Reef.  Condominium. It's called the  Beacon Leatherman tracked.  It's got multiple habitats  also around 6 Million.  Hopefully with some County  money to be shared there. We  have the church property MS  Davis spoke. I thought very.  Appropriately and timely about  the 4 million dollars that  we're contemplating on  spending for that. We have a  budget season coming up. And I  think it's important for us to  think about spending money in  the context of buzz budget.  Not only what we have, but  where would it go. We're going  with that public works has  been seeking a new location  for their. Outfit, for their  their their. They've outgrown.  The back of the property here  and that and I I love AJ. This  isn't a criticism but that's  an inappropriate use for a  park that's not a industrial.  This is not an industrial work  site. We've also purchased 2  properties and we haven't done  anything with them. We'll call  them the Machado properties.  The for that are across the  road from Marlins store at  mile marker, 88 or so and then  Walgreens property. My concern  there. My feeling my thought  is you know, between those 2  properties. We probably spent  close to 5 million dollars,  not just an acquisition but  demolition maintenance. Other  costs holding cost. But we  don't have a plan for what  we're going to do with them.  They've just been sitting  there. The taxpayers. If I'm a  taxpayer and I am. I'm  thinking, well, you know, the  government spent their money  for this. What is the public  purpose of that. They've been  sitting there idle. If that  money was in the bank. It  would have been generating a  return it for an investor, but  it's not if we're not going to  use it and we don't need it  and we don't have a public  purpose. Let's get rid of it.  And if we do get rid of it.  What are we going to do with  the money. All that, all these  things come together and a  related thing for what's  coming next. And that is the  lack of permits from the past.  We're out and I had asked the  staff at the last minute to  give me some I'm allowed to  ask for information and I did  that and I was curious about  something because I look at  this list. You have this list.  This is the the past list  that's on the Web site. I  wanted to know how many of the  properties on the list are at  it. Valuation on the property.  Appraiser's website. I know  that's not an appraisal of the  half a million dollars or  more. Several of them. And  many of them were for a  million dollars or more. There  was a few of those. I don't  know that it was an exhaustive  study Dan Burton, the staff  with spending a whole lot of  time on that. I asked them to  also look at some other vacant  land properties that we might.  Be asked to acquire if we  can't permit them for  something. Only one side of  Laura matic coming I think is  just one side and there are  several there that were over  half a million and several  over a million. Some even over  2 Million. And so I looked at  that in light of what we have  coming for our wards, for  administrative relief and for  the past. I looked at those  properties. Most of them are  dry lot properties. Aaron, an  environmentally sensitive area  that we would ordinarily want  to protect. My logic. You can  call me Sure you do. And it's  fine with me. I'm proud of it.  But my my way of looking at  this is why would we give  these valuable awards. The low  value properties with high  environmental sensitivity.  When we have a list right in  front of us of people who are  go into it potentially make a  claim against us for a much  higher value properties that  may or may not have  environmental sensitivity.  I've not done an exhaustive  study. I'm just trying to get  a conversation going and  trying to get your attention.  Here's the thing.  >> We these people have been  waiting for years for years.  You're talking about people  for 4 years. They did  everything that the village  told him to do. You got there  the case they went out and  bought lots and now you're  going to move the goal post  when they've already been told  you are making the same  argument I've been making for  years.  >> I have enormous sympathy  for the folks that I mean, I I  was a property rights advocate  as a lawyer for many years.  >> I would have represented  people like this. I'm I'm  conflicted, I'm conflicted  because. I see that these  people have done everything  we've asked him to do. They  fully complied with the law.  If we give them these things.  We need. If we can do that.  But what do we do about  everybody else. We don't have  a plan. We've not never come  up with a plan. Another thing  when you just mentioned about  the property there.  >> The properties like  Machado, Walgreens and stuff.  The thing is every time we we  and I had a discussion with  with John quick in Jennifer  and Mister called the day  about that. We change just  like the Phils been going on  and But we change. We give we  put so much on our staff and  instead of being prioritizing  1, 2, 3, 4, Let's get that  done and move on to the next  one. But we can't even I'm  embarrassed. I had 2 people  call me about Mister Pender  show me the dirt. We have the  money. We have the crew we  have. We do this for a  structure. We do everything.  I'd be embarrassed to call  them to those developed that's  it doubt they'll do everything  on affordable housing. Okay.  But how can I do that when we  can't commit 2, we have. We do  have the affordable permits.  We haven't even tried. But I  know in see, the thing is, is  that it's we've got we've got  to make some strong priorities  here. What is what and do the  right thing. All right. That's  what I'm asking you to do and  other thing is is is I  understand we're looking to  buy all this different  property. But I had multiple  phone calls. The same thing.  You're taking this money off  that the tax roll you're  taking. You know your what are  we going to do with it. You  know, and to me there's so  much federal money and other  monies to buy properties, OK,  you already know. I know  somebody that's buying.  Hundreds and thousands of  acres. Okay. Well, you're  right that there are those  things and I'm super grateful  that you're aware of them.  >> I think we need to come  together and express the  political will to get it done.  And if we I don't want to.  It's like whac-a-mole. You  know, we'll have an  opportunity pops up and we  either bangui take care of  that. And then, you know, we  did that with the with the  Machado properties. We've done  that with Walgreens property.  We might do it. Woods to  across the street. We we might  even do this with the library.  But we don't have a plan. And  so I want to say something.  Just one more thing. Now we  plan to have a plan. How does  that sound? We have it in our  code that the land acquisition  advisory committee was  supposed to have done this. I  think I put this and it's just  in the stuff that you didn't  get to read. But there is an  action plan that they were  required to do or still is  required to do. I don't know  what happened to them. By the  way, we've we pretty much just  silence them. But why can't we  get them to help us it, you  know, take on some of these  environmental ones, put it in  for them. What do they think?  You know, why can't they help  us out with this. That's at  least one more source of  assistance to get this done.  Let me get this straight.  >> You're asking now to the  people who are supposed to be  getting something to take it  out from under him now, not  shown. I know. You know, I  like well, that shows what is  that basically it? I'm asking  us to see if that's the best  decision for everybody of what  they want to make on the 9th  hour. I mean, think about it.  and that 2 wrongs make a right  now the one run keeps on  trying doesn't make it right.  Either built it. In meantime,  how would you feel if we had  to raise their taxes pay the  Rand on this list. Let me ask  you that. I am on the You're  down the list. And by doing  this, you might go up to look  a lot of the a lot of people  are not. Not at all is OK  that's a personal attack and  we don't want to go there Let  me just tell you this is not  fair and I'm not going for  right now. If you want to look  at this down the road.  >> Because Elizabeth hates  going out of order here so  it's tough put this to me is  like, let me throw the  football down the field and  see is going to catch it for.  I'm going to get a load of  hate mail and I'm making.  >> I know there's people in  the audience there. Thinking,  man. This guy is out of his  mind. But let me ask you just  to look a little bit further  down the road. We're staring  it. What could be 50 or a  100 million dollars of  liability to buy land doesn't  it make sense to at least  think about giving out these  permits to the most valuable  ones that we're going to have  to buy the list and push  everybody back to cares about  list who can say Bush. They  played the game. If the list  caught fire following this  cost us 50 grand. Are you  willing to raise everyone's  taxes to cover 50 million  dollars and he set the rules.  Guys. Here's the thing.  >> Jennifer.  >> Would you say would you can  I ask you a question about  this. Okay. Can you explain  what you explain today when I  was in the meeting with you  with.  >> What you're. I mean, I  think you did a marvelous job  with Mister Mister Koehler  amazed that, you know how you  explain that. Would you  explain what just what  vice-mayor and what March  talking about here about this  thing with either go lot  dedication or or the the the  the administrative really  could you please you have the  mic.  >> I'll do. I'll do my best.  is eloquent as I was the  conference and I understand  the need for a plan moving I  wholeheartedly agree that  that's something that we  needed. Something we should  have done. You know, years  before we got to this point.  But we are at this point and  we have people that have  applications in process that  have already filed  applications that are before  you Thursday night this  evening, whenever we have  people who are on the past  list. Inland indication that  have been there for years that  several months ago. This  Council said we're going to  give you the first 5 of the  key West allocations. And my  opinion, in my professional  opinion, those people should  get to those permits and then  we move forward with a plan  and moving forward. That's  when utilize the plan for any  of future applications are  permits. I think it's critical  that we do that. But I don't  think that the people in  process right now. skews me  should be penalized for that.  So that's where I would  recommend that we move  forward. Very good. Okay.  Thank you, Jennifer. Go ahead.  Was  >> I don't think that and  maybe I'm wrong, but I don't  think that what you're use.  Actually let me back up. You  just threw a bunch of things  on the table. What concerns me  about your bringing this  forward is that. The it? We  need. I think any conversation  about planning for land use  wood more easily from our  planning department. And so if  a request is. Planning  Department it with your  resources. Please bring this  forward because we've been  asking for plans and we  haven't seen them and now we  need to see them like  immediately because there's  some urgency attached to this.  I didn't hear you say that  these that the market rate.  The market rate allocations  that we already decided to get  out. I didn't hear you say  that we do want to give those  out what I'm hearing you say  is we're now in a new phase.  We have a bunch of  administrative relief  allocations that we may The  policy that he provided  indicates we have this  conversation up here. There is  a way to manage administrative  relief just because you're on  the agenda, on the list for 4  years doesn't mean that you  automatically receive an  allocation is in Arco people.  People understand this. We  have options, but but the  options should be coming from  our planning Department week.  And we know that. In fact, in  my briefing we had this very  same conversation and we all  we all you all when I was in  there said.  >> Yes, we're going to  discuss. Differing the quasi  judicial hearings that we've  got on Thursday because we're  giving out administrative  relief without a plan  >> Now what I think is going  to happen is that that promise  that we all agreed upon is not  going to happen. But I'd like  before Thursday to strongly.  Think about that. We're in a  new phase and again, you know,  Mark, I respect your.  >> Your request to plan. And I  would remind this Council  that. For the last 2 years I  have been asking for a plan.  And finally we have a  strategic plan and we are now  under a new administration. So  that's helpful. We have. And I  think that speaks to this  point that we've got a bunch  of land that we own with no  plans for Presumably. We're  moving in that direction. We  have an rfp out that's coming  forward. I mean, your role,  right. But we're the ones that  are not insisting that we make  PRI or make priority of  figuring out how use this  land. You brought up like 10  different subjects. You  concerned about him. Nick,  you're concerned about I think  you I think you said you're  concerned about Howard giving  out administrative relief. you  concerned about purchases. I  mean, this is that there are a  lot of things on this list  right.  >> You bull all boils down to  money. So we have so much  money to do the most amount of  good for the most amount of  people. If we take 5  allocations and we wipe out. 2  and a half million dollars  worth of real estate that we  would have to buy. That's one  analysis. If we take the same  5 and we wipe out 5 million  dollars worth of allocations  or more by buying the more  expensive ones. That's what I  want us to talk about can we  ask for that analysis and that  presentation to come from our  planning Department because  that's where it should be  coming. I don't know I mean.  >> And why do we have to ask  them when we know about it  already because I don't think  we all we all. And the  community understand this and  speak for myself took me a  very long time until I mean,  Mark, you're a special case in  a good And I and I say that  I'm not even kidding. You have  been studying this for years.  But the fact is you're right.  We've got millions of dollars  worth of lawsuits that we  should be addressing We don't  have enough allocation. See  that. But but but we should be  asking our planning department  and consultants who work with  them to give us the scenario  so we can make an informed  decision this conversation. In  the meantime, we just keep  barrel rolling forward making  decisions and doing things  like about that? Let's talk  about that. No, absolute can I  just just going one because,  you know, we said we were  going to just let Mark lecture  not say anything but here we  But but here's the thing. Are  we want them all. And we made  a decision at the whatever  meeting that was to award the  next 5 allocation. Their  market rate. 10 allocations,  fine. We give those that. But  what we haven't done is  insist.  >> On. Plan for these  administrative relief. If  allegations that are left or  the early out affordable  housing allocations. They're  like what is wrong with us.  Why aren't we insisting that  you figure out a way to deal  with those equitably. Well,  what really is history of the  village in the past, main  history.  >> They've.  >> Never. We've I don't  believe there might have been  some specific terms, but. They  we've always giving out once  the people have waited. I  mean, myself, I got one. I  waited because we always had  market rate to get out as  well. We had bank to draw from  now. It's different now. Now  we're in. And and this this  story.  >> Should be told by our  trustworthy kind department  and her kids but not a group  of.  >> I'm not a group of of  community members who have  opinions. I mean, we should be  getting him. And this what I  mean. Ask you question, how  would you feel if you've  spent.  >> $400,000 buying a lot.  You've been in the system for  years, OK. And you turned in  your application page $1500  application fee and there was  nothing said that we change  the rules. But when it comes  time Thursday night to give  these people their way wait  hear me out it comes time to  give them their administration  really permit that they played  by our rules. All right. And  we're going to tell him no.  >> Sumi. But here's the thing.  Buddy.  >> And if I could just borrow  this paper right here. In this  isn't the right paper. Sorry.  So the admit it because you  you let you 7 the system for 4  years. And Jennifer, maybe you  can discuss this. Why don't  you explain what that means  after you've been in for 4  years. What what are you  entitled to according to our  code. This is not this in  black and white.  >> After 4 years of being on  the pass last year eligible to  apply for the history of  relief. And you are correct  that does not guarantee you.  An allocation is solely at the  council's discretion. But but  let's be clear.  >> The code says you can apply  for administrative relief. We  can purchase your property  after you've been in for 4  years or we could do something  other we eat and we make that  decision. You are not  guaranteed an allocation.  That's right. That's right.  But you didn't say that. You  said you're allowed to apply  your discretion and they're  not guaranteed in  administrative leave. Those  words came out of my mouth. So  so you're not guaranteed. And  then there are 2 other  components that are pretty  important. Buddy. Important  be.  >> For the rest of the people  who are going suffer from the  lawsuits that are coming in  from the people are going to  sue us because there are no  allocations left. 4 anyone  else who's who's got a piece  of vacant land. So so it's a  bigger conversation that I  would like to request. Our  planning Department present to  us.  >> We've already asked them to  do that. Why haven't they a  good point.  >> We just Jennifer Z has just  been asked to do this. But we  got We got him doing so many  other things. And Mister Cole  is here now managing not.  know, we haven't, you know, on  injured only right. And that's  a good know. Here's here's the  thing, though. That is a bit  you you they follow the rule  and they come in, we wait  until the night instead of  giving them a certified letter  months year. Whatever telling  and we've changed. The system  haven't changed. OK system is  vacant. 3 things can happen.  We have not. going to specify  what they are.  >> Sure. I think I just said  it. But if you want to repeat  what I just said please go  ahead. did. But I just wonder  please. I would I would like  the assistance. Thank you.  Some number one grant the  application.  >> Grant the applicant, an  allocation award for all or  part of the allocation  requested in the next 6  allocation period or extended  pro rata over several  succeeding allocation periods.  Number to offer to purchase  the property at its fair  market value and number 3  suggest such other relief as  may be necessary and  appropriate 3 options, right.  And just to make it really  clear. We can't give an  administrative relief.  >> We can buy the property by  it or something else. That's  unspecified exactly we're  going to go in and say  >> All right. We're going to  take your land by. So let's  them one more just back up  Christian 18 want the  appraisal came back into 80.  Okay.  >> And he want to 4.50. So you  know what?  >> But we don't even have  enough administrative relief  allocations on us to give all  of the people who are going to  come up to 4 years because we  don't have any allocations lot  so at some point all those  people who are in line with  this is important for you to  understand at some point all  of those people right now who  are on the list there. They  all know there are no  allocations for them.  >> Hold on. Mister Cole. I'm  sure he's going to try and get  attention for a attorney.  Quick to speak for a moment.  >> Yeah. I mean, in terms but  I guess just to follow up on  that. Those are 3 options  Council needs to do something.  too. One of those 3 acts.  Okay. I'm like like councilman  Joe and said it can be an  alternative. There's this  catch all if you can come up  with something else. If to  follow up on and there have  the it's my understanding that  in the years past the council  has used the. That catch to  award additional points. Not  that that necessarily doesn't  can now since we don't have  you know, we've limited the  past allocations in terms of  the discussion on any  particular lot. Not  necessarily one that's before  you. But if there's a offer to  purchase the property a fair  market value. And if the.  Applicant declines, what ends  up happening is they just they  stand to be passed they will  continue moving forward on the  the So that's that's can you  speak to tend to the value  their  >> Lewis missed out the  property with a value to the  village. The value to to the  village.  >> Yeah. I mean, as long as  they're on the be passed list.  You know, they have an  opportunity to develop I think  that.  >> it it limits, if any  potential taking I'm sorry.  What was that last part  limits. If not I'm sorry.  Could you explain that?  >> What do you mean the whole  say the whole thing. So what  would do is limit on a second  right here. Hold on one second  take the plot. How about if we  John, I think at this point I  think I I think we need to  defer this and put it on any  agenda to talk about it  because this is turning. We're  going to be here all night.  >> Going back and forth about  this. Mark, are you about  finished with I just had a  couple of small comment Mark.  I think way to solve it So so  that stop that, I'll try wrap  it up.  >> You do in 5 minutes. Sure.  I think I got what I was  looking for, which was to get  your attention and to get you  thinking about where we're  going.  >> If we were to make an  analogy that we're going to  take a family vacation  together. We would load up the  car with the dog in the cooler  in our family. It would  Chickens in our chicken. Thank  you, Henry. We don't want to  leave those behind it would be  like taking a family trip with  an empty taken gas and not  knowing where are we going to  get the money to fill it up.  We run out. That's what I feel  like. That's exactly what this  feels like. And I want to say  an apology to Henry because he  made me think about this. When  we voted on what we're going  to do with the remaining the  allocations Henry advocated to  stretching this out into the  future. I did not see it that  way. I and for different  reasons it has come to me  from, you know, just looking  at this looking with the  county was facing. I said  we're not like the county. We  do have to do it that way  because I felt very strongly  like you do and you do about  these people who have waited.  They played by the rules.  They're hoping they're going  to build their dream home and  we are the gatekeepers for  that. And I didn't want to be  a gate keeper anymore. I  wanted to kick the gates open  in let it go. But if we do  that. What if we have to wind  up ultimately in a in an  ultimate irony of having to  raise their taxes in  everyone's elsis taxes because  we have to buy all these  expensive properties that we  could have wiped out with the  permits that we're going to  get out. That's the point that  I'm making. What I'm not  looking to screw anybody out  of anything. In fact, we have  to treat them fairly. That's  in our code. That's in the  state law and it's in the  Constitution. If they don't  get to build, they're going to  get a nice check, but that's  not what I'm saying. I'm just  saying before we move forward,  let's make a smart move. Let's  let's award and allocate  smart. You know, you talk  about smart development.  That's too smart allocation  and lets see on this list.  Where's the value? Where's the  big liability where's the  exposure and how can we take  those out of the way for the  benefit of everybody that  lives here and pays taxes and  will ultimately be responsible  to write those checks through  their taxes. So I go back to  Henry. Henry I was wrong if I  could change my vote in. Do it  your way. I would have done. I  would do that. But you are  right. And I'm sorry for my  error on. That is your  requests. If I think are So  let's get clear on what you're  asking what kind of timeframe  because there is an emergency  in my as I look at this.  >> We're asking our. To bring  back a solution for how to  allocate. Affordable our our  administrative relief as well  as our early out affordable  housing everything that we  have that every every tool in  our tool chest to fight  against the potential of  enormous mitt possibly  100 million dollars of  liability should have been  done by now. You just because  we feel and I feel the same  honor bound duty to order them  to. But.  >> Is it smart to do that.  Yes, I understand what you're  saying, but you've got to look  at noon. How many permits have  you got over the last few  years and your family.  >> I mean, come that I get  phone calls about this. And  you know what now these people  been waiting and they're  saying, Mark, how fair is  that? It's not about fair.  It's not about my family or  your family.  >> I mean, it's it's it's  pretty offensive for you to do  that. But it's OK to truth.  What people are calling me. I  can tell you right now in this  room.  >> That people that I played  by the rules and I got them  like everybody else. And I and  I bear rolled forward just  like everyone else. We need to  stop lead on And I know I  agree. There needs to be a  system, but you are not going  to take these people who've  been waiting.  >> Right there on the goal  line and say. This property is  worth more than your song to  get the guy number. 23 our  view. You guys can answer for  that in November. That's all.  yeah.  >> made a minute this is all  right. We need we need to stop  this Why don't we talk about  this when we calm down. I have  it on the agenda was put it on  the agenda. Some time and we  can talk it through and will  what we did. We got the  conversation started that's  the good news. this  >> Is is timely. it's an  emergency because minute the  really it is week. It's  complicated and we need to be  able to do complicated thing.  So we need to ask our planner  to respond to this emergency  and bring back a presentation  in the at the next meeting  Thursday in June and she has  the ability to do that. She  and as you can use consultant  whoever she needs because it  is a real issue and we need we  need an explanation, not not  from this group but from our  administration. And so can we  agree on green. I mean, a  plant was a request for a  plan. So we know what the  consequences are. You just  said they needed to come from  our planner. Absolutely ABS.  And I said that at the  beginning that something,  Mark, we're not. We have a  staff.  >> That we have dinner for. We  have Daniel. We have all the  components of first app that  is that they do this for a  living. And that's the thing  that, you know, once I found  out about this in some other,  I guess attorney found out  about in town started calling  me and it should be coming  from our planner. I understand  we're on County where Council  and you are I don't mean, you  know, that is that's correct.  And I maybe I see things  differently because of my  profession in career. But I  feel that I would be it's like  a dam is going to break and I  keep my mouth shut. I see  something about to happen and  it's going to be a pretty big  financial consequences. And we  have an opportunity to at the  very least mitigate that  significantly.  >> If not deflect it a little  further. I asked let me say  this last thing I you said 5  minutes a problem over and I  apologize. But I asked rose  for this. I asked a prior  planners for this. I asked  prior managers for this. We've  had a revolving door of that  for number of reasons.  Political. That I won't get  into. But now it's time for us  to face them. Huge. It music  is like musical chairs. And  it's on us to figure it out.  That's what we got. Put here  for. It's hard. It's Sox we  make people mad. I acknowledge  that. But it's it's what we  got to do. If not, we kick the  can down the road and it's  like driving when you're  blind. Hope you don't hit a  tree so recall and might you  speak and we're closing this  out. Go ahead, I just want to  acknowledge that staff have  clear that there's direction  that we need a proposal  brought back with a  recommendation as to how we  might.  >> Handle some of these  remaining allocations. I've  talked with our planner. She  believes that at latest, we  can have something back to  Council by August where that  leaves you. That's latest with  at least of course, is what  the 2 that you have coming up  on Thursday and that's really  a decision for Council. Do you  want to allow those to proceed  based on this entire  conversation. Or do you want  to explore one of the 3  alternatives that attorney  quick had reference, but  minimally. I wanted to update  you on the timeline. I mean, I  think we can all agree on  that.  >> I would agree on that. But  then the question is since  since the quiet. Since the  plan is coming back in August.  It would be fair to differ  that to cause additional not  not the Cabrera issue. That is  not. We're talking about.  >> On quasi judicial work.  We're asking to get out  administrative relief. I think  those people have been  weighty.  >> I think that we need to  move on with him and we're  talking to people that they  Let's look at That's not fear  the worst. But Thursday night  is when they're giddy. They're  supposed to be in Chris's  already had can kick down the  road. look, let's let's talk  about why. And this you know,  we're having a business  meeting and these issues are  important. We do not talk  outside of these business  meetings and it's important.  >> We are at fault for not  insisting on a plan earlier.  Our fault that and I'm except  the blame for bringing those  was a usual people here to get  out administrative relief when  we don't actually have a plan  for giving them out. But we  have another plan for 25 years  and us citizen. That's a  little bit. But you can't make  people remove the goal post  when they're coming Thursday  night and we're going have  show we can. Can we do need to  plan. We understand that. But  you can't just say.  >> Cameron  >> takes that and that  certainly understand then that  on Thursday the question is  what what of 3 options that  are in our code that everyone  signed up for. If they don't  take one of the options they  can stay on the B pass list. I  mean, let's let's be let's  understand the issues.  >> All right. So so we we hear  we're doing with that being  said, we're going to move on  to village attorney village  manager Communications. Rob.  >> Our next item gills with  the lpa appointments is going  to discuss that basically what  we're looking at is how do you  solve the problem of the  staggered terms as well. As  the question of Council  liaison appointments to  resident committees. Somebody  if you could take the floor.  >> So we checked with the lpa  members who are sitting as it  was mentioned recently. That  may is the time to point.  >> So all of all of committee  members were appointed in  September. 23.  >> So I checked with the ones  who are still sitting all of  them are interested in  continuing. So therefore we  didn't open up to any new  applications because we had no  vacancies. So heard of  ordinance that we adopted last  year. Also include staggering  terms. So since we have the  lpa up for discussion right  now. seemed like a good time  implement staggered terms for  at least the lpa. So for that  we I have a list that I added  to the agenda item. The folks  who are on LP right now when  they were initially appointed  and mean nomination as they  received from Council to be on  the board. there were 2  rounds. I'm there are a few  folks that got 3 year at 3  votes. 3 nominations in the  first round result to get a 5  way tie. So then that. What  they ended up with is what  you'll see. Also on the list.  So it's up to council to  decide how to stagger these  terms. Everyone I've spoken to  is interested in continuing.  So we could. You know, you can  discuss that tonight. And in  June we could bring back a  resolution memorializing  decision. Other things we had  also besides the staggered  terms, which we would have to  do for the remaining boards.  But this would be a good way  for us get into the process.  So to start with one and then  the 7 years is just me. 6  could come at a later date.  Council liaison without noted  in the Arden said we haven't  done that yet. So Robin, I  have been speaking about what  would be the best way move  forward with this and it's  probably not even appropriate  for Council liaison to say  that every meeting, I mean,  you could we see it more of a  collaborative role where you  would be working with the  chair to find out, you know  what their initiatives are and  you can let them. And I were  Council's initiatives are so  it could be of our objective  relationship if implement the  council is on. Also y'all  would have to decide which way  you would like to do that.  ordinance says that the mayor  points. But I'm I'm sure you  would probably prefer to have  a discussion about it. So we  have committees listed here  and you can make that  decision. And if you would  come up with something. We can  also memorialize that it was a  resolution in June. And the  defense has questions. I'm  happy but have I talked to you  earlier this week about.  >> The nominations because  this is misleading like I told  you it change that, OK, well,  I don't to get the F so  because it does look when the.  >> To me, the people who get  should get the 2 years should  be the people who got the most  votes the first time around.  That would seem like a fair  way to do it.  >> And then. But when you win  for the second vote you out at  the first votes, but the  second, but the people, some  of the people got 4. We're  done after the first countries  that make sense.  >> does not mean I can  >> there were 3 folks who did  >> enough nominations in the  first round.  >> To move forward and those  folks were Carol cover  culberson. Lori lawn to both  had 4 nominations and James  Ryan with 5 nominations. The  other Mister Foley, the scale  is Mister and Mister him in  all received 3 votes in the  first round of nominations and  then after the second round  ended up what what I initially  pack it first went out. So it  was updated after your  decision. Your conversation  with me, Sharon K. so now it's  got.  >> The full counting you agree  with me.  >> Sure. I just want to add  one thing real quick to get on  the right. Katie and cadence  of having days alternating  terms. You need a minimum of 3  people who are offered the  opportunity to extend their  service by one year. So coach  from 2 to 3 for those 3  individuals. I did note in the  summer that was just provided  by Clark mcgrath reflecting a  corrections that it just so  happens that 3 of them got  enough votes on the first  round. So that may be a  logical path that the council  is entertaining. This idea to  go 3. But you can also choose  for incidentally. 3 is the  minimum number.  >> Let me ask you question,  Mister Cole, should If we take  Sheryl lawry in James and give  them the 2 year. Everybody  else wants to stay. But have  we opened it up to the general  public in case other people  want to apply. I mean, how  does that work. Council But  you have any suggestions. What  vice mayor is talking about.  Such a mess. I don't know what  to do. The head miss croll  just real The appointments  that were made for the lpa  were in September of last  year. So really there are no  open public positions.  >> That are available right  now. So the solution that was  put on the table rather than  advertising publicly because  we had no openings was simply  to extend a 3 or 4 members for  additional year. So instead of  2. They actually had 3 years  and then we would have that  alternating system set up to  where the other 4 on 2 years  of their two-year terms would  2 years from the date of  appointment. We would  advertise for 4 new members at  that point. And the other 3  that you would be this evening  are not this evening but  providing direction to staff  to come back with a resolution  for the June meeting. Those 3  would stick on one more year  and then we we have the  satisfied, the ordinance with  respect to alternating terms.  So the first chance for new  blood coming on to that.  committee would be after the  two-year terms of the existing  members expire. Okay. We all.  morning. You have that.  >> I believe so. If you could.  There's your cold, you can you  get with Marty. Then like you  point, a vice mayor and there.  And just to confirm that the 3  people who received enough  votes on the first honor ones  that we wish to.  >> A great resolution extended  by one year and the other 4  will remain with their  original two-year terms and  you'll get a resolution at the  June meeting allows that to  happen.  >> We still making our  appointments the council.  >> You know, we've that's the  next part of the same item.  Here is the next thing is the  liaison appointments that are  at the mayor's discretion with  whatever discussion you guys  wish to have on that topic.  >> Yeah. live the air. We  voted on and we voted who But  you they've already been a  point. You know.  >> I've taken people off we  change the policy. Remember,  Sharon brought up a new idea  about how to handle the Palm  that committees. And now they  they apply and then we choose  from the applications. So.  That's what we're doing. much  a sus system. I've used.  worked.  >> That's not that's not the  question that we're discussing  but the question we are now  discussing is whether council  members.  >> We're going to be attached  to any of these committees to  make them more. Productive. Do  we want That was part of  Sharon's suggestion to review  the committee's and we haven't  followed through on that. So  that's what we're talking  about right now.  >> I think it would make sense  for the council members to  express their interest in  which one so that the mayor,  when he's making the  appointments under the  ordinance can make a  appointments accordingly to  what you all are interested  in. Is it here. Well, that's  what the that's what ordinance  But I think that makes I 10  well by zoom I attended the  parks and rec committee the  other day and someone made a  good comment.  >> Which was. And he's a new  member to that committee is  kind was what are we just a  paper Tiger like what? What  we've been doing here. We're  not they have.  >> They felt at least this  particular gentleman.  >> That well spoken.  >> Suggested that they have no  direction from the council and  there and we're not utilizing  them to their full extent. So  just passing that on.  >> What are we locally each  give what committees we want  to be attached to. And if  overlay, Russell  >> yeah. So that that  discussion obviously would  take place Thursday and the  public meeting because that's  when you all can can  communicate with each other  and then from there you want  do it right now and get on  with it to not revisit it.  >> I mean, it doesn't matter  to me what Committee on them.  >> think it will come weeks  since time factor tonight.  Elizabeth, what are we going  8. 7.35 All right. So can we  move on. You want to move on  to the consent agenda. I think  Henry Henry wants to pull 4,  5, 6, 7,  >> okay. So 3 would be the  only one that Your word.  that's just the So of a re my  little okay. With the consent  agenda. consent, portion  agenda. These items are  routine nature and council  members have review these  items Vance and sought the  advice of staff as they felt  necessary.  >> They'll be one vote on the  consent items which today is  your you are accurate is top  3. The other ones have been  from the consent agenda.  >> If anyone else, why would  like to pull any other items  from consent here. She should.  States are now.  >> Anybody else to go and  there's nothing else All  right. Because I'm Henry has  got 4, 5, 6, and 7 o K. Okay.  So let's open public comment,  then, you know, for this, we  have to a public comment Marni  anybody signed up for Excuse I  do have someone who has signed  up for tab 6, but we can talk  about that. We get there, OK.  And there are no attendees  alright. So with that being I  hear a motion.  >> Public comments motion move  to approve tap 3. All right.  Marty, we have a motion and  second, we call the roll,  please vice mayor sure  Mahoney. Yes. Councilmember  Mark Greg. Yes.  >> Council member Elizabeth  Cohen. Council member Henry  Rosenthal. And Mayor buddy  Pender. Yes, motion passes 5,  0,  >> Okay. So we're on the tab  for.  >> time for is a resolution of  the village Council of llorona  village violence, Florida  approving the final rankings  are recommendations of the  rfp, 24 dash o 8 evaluation  Committee for selection of a  contractor for the plantation.  Tropical preserve project.  Author as a village manager  and village attorney to  negotiate an agreement for the  request of services. residents  managed execute the agreement  authorizing those managed to  expend budget funds and  approving an affected date  program providing an effective  date.  >> Cases. And for Peter.  >> Yes. So as John stated,  this is a resolution which  would approve the  recommendation of the  evaluation committee that met  to review these proposals for  this plantation tropical  preserve zebo project. There  are 2 proposals. The value it.  A valuation committee did meet  and we the committee is  recommending CBT construction  to be the contractor to. I  construct this project for the  village. So this resolution  also allows this staff to  begin negotiations with the  contractor. So we're not I  would not necessarily  approving a cost right now.  But if we move forward this,  we will begin discussions  with. Icbc on what we'd like  to do in a cost proposal  either. Can I the question how  much we have grant money for  this. We do not. It was. So  this project originally was  identified for the parks and  Recreation impact fee. We've  been discussing project for  years this project has been  approved by the council every  step of the way. It went  throughout an extremely  thorough community outreach  process more so than any other  project I've been involved in.  I came from the community,  this project was actually  school groups that started  this that I requested some  type of coverage structure at  this part for how much they're  utilizing it in being out in  the sun and exposed. So parks  and Recreation impact is  always been identified as the  funding source for this.  Council. Any questions for  Peter. Reports  >> As far as water fountain  goes the way revive work  fountains and all our parks.  >> Some of them. Yes, not all  of them. Some of them.  >> And this one was I thought  $18,000. Is that right. I got  a number here.  >> So that cost incorporated  not just the water found that  was involved, the plumbing as  well.  >> I still. Process. We're  sure. So.  >> The estimates that the  contractor provided, you know,  the valuation committee staff  are in a position too. We're  in a position to discuss that,  to question why something  cost. What Trevor into a Cone  of silence know after if this  got approved, then You could  question what these costs  weren't Rice backing out.  >> I know that because I got  cools reference some parent  Lee, those people that called  me or not. And those seats  right now. So that's the  reason not question. I my  question was. My own property  were spending. A million 7, I  think bow.  >> And now we're 140 some  $1000 less I can't imagine I  just can't. I'm I'm not  against your Don't  misunderstand me. But I'm here  to spend the money. proper  way. And we're spending money  for things that. How do we  benefit by it. I was a public  benefit by. I can answer those  questions might get these  phone calls to spend that kind  of money. I really just a come  budget. Time. Look for ways to  cut funding. It's never  happened. At the end. The  budget. How much money we had  to been from last year.  question of what I mean. Well,  I mean, I'll as 2 million  dollars. No to 2 Million. with  my to the general fund. We're  going to spend it. And we're  going ever again this coming  year. Depending on them. The  folks here. And I I I just  look at these expenses use  that just it just bothered me.  I can't believe it's been this  kind of One way piggyback what  you want with the other  project for a. Million 7. I  don't know. you. Maybe  complicates the matter.  >> I just understood  councilman. It's not what I  want. Also just want to know  And again, this is an impact  fee. It's exactly what this  fee is intended for.  >> so these types this water  found that Henry system ice  like is that one of the ones  in the parking. Put your  battle up there and and  filling up is it's yes, also  the dog feeling ball. That's  what came out of the community  meetings we had. I mean, if  that's something we wanted to  remove from the scope.  Absolutely. We could. And the  spec sheet for that water  found does did come out to  $16,000 that that was just for  the water found. That Just  tell you with that that found  inspect that has. But again,  we certainly don't have to  include that. So I appreciate  your fiscal Henry. I think  that that you certainly.  >> Are a good steward of our  finances. I would note that.  Pete we have discussed this  multiple kit, multiple  occasions. It has come back.  been in the works for a very,  very long time. This is not  the equivalent of the project  that's happening green turtle  him. doesn't. That is  different different totally  different animal and part of  part of the service that we  provide is is recreate the  recreational space that that  can be used by the community  and the.  >> I someone smarter than I  am. Ken can probably talk  speaks to the value that  recreational space brings to  the community just from  speaking to is the same  mindset.  >> It's just. Goes through  this counsel. And this city.  I  look at things that as if they  remind personally truthfully.  When I spend this kind of  funny in this kind of money  for whatever it is.  >> I know I I can help carry  on to my mind said. When I  make decisions the people of  this town. And that's that's  was based So. right or wrong.  That's just Nothing against  fear for sure. This has lot of  times I bring up stuff that I  don't totally agree with, but  I get the phone calls. So  bringing up to satisfy phone  calls from Cole. But the water  to phone that you get to  >> You're more can I That's my  mindset.  >> else have anything you want  to ask I do. Peter, I stepped  out. I think I miss something.  If we were to approve this  tonight. We're not approving  the contract. For the  contractor to perform this and  do this. We're just approving  the ranking. Is that correct  understanding?  >> Yes, and the ability to  staff to begin the  negotiations with the  contractor. So correct. And  then later we'll get a  contract to approve. So this  is not the end of the wire  act. Yeah, we would bring The  contract with the cross back.  And so in that interim I would  be interested if this is an  appropriate suggestion. I  notice that and I don't know  if I got all right. But the  gazebo itself, the show  materials all costs associated  with purchase and acquisition  management of client. Specify  keep busy bow. 41,000 to 50. I  would imagine there's some  labor on top of that and some  other bells and whistles. I  notice that the sides of this  see beau is 22 by 18. Does  that sound about right. Not  that okay. Okay. Let's even  better. So the yes. Thank you  so the this by unscanned a  square footage basis. That's  pretty state. My my question  to you would could we put in a  Miccosukee Tiki hut. To  function the same way and the  reason I ask you that is  because my neighbor put one in  and I spoke with the  contractor. Who does that. And  he advised that they charge  $25 a square foot. So a 400  foot zebo would cost just  under $10,000. And that wasn't  all installed price. And if it  functions the same, it's not  the same. I know that and it  will require replacement at  the thatch periodically. I  think 7 years or something.  But its aesthetic Lee very  pleasing and fitting into the  landscape. Many people like  them in there native to our  area. So is that something  that the council would be  interested in. What about  scorpions getting in their  mark. I haven't seen a  scorpion in my house in 20 and  in 10 years. They started  spraying something to kill  them all. So I don't know. I  can't speak to scorpions  wasps. But I guess they could  get in anything. If you worry  about scorpions and maybe we  can treat it. I don't know.  I'm throwing an idea out  trying to save a few bucks in.  If that works. Great.  Otherwise. Nobody else got  anything.  >> We public comment on this  one. I I so Martin, us Open  public comment.  >> I don't have anyone signed  up for this particular item.  And let me double check. No  answers on zoom. I  >> I'll be glad to add another  there ever get 4 or 5 in  there.  >> use the same argument use  with a one 0.7 million dollars  zebo.  >> The Seminoles do a  wonderful job of of building  something that fits into the  landscape. They do it for a  lot less money. Then. And 1.7  million dollars. I agree with  Mister Greg. You would be  more. Intrinsically pleasing  to have a the Seminoles do it.  And have something that fits  in with the the environment.  they're used all over the  village. And I think we should  pick up on the fact one of the  reasons they're so popular is  because they work. And we can  save a whole lot of money by  listen to what Mister Gregg  said. We can save even more  money if they listen to me and  Sharon Mahoney about the 1.7  million dollars. There were  fiction to spend on this  incredibly ridiculous stupid.  thing that we don't need. You  know, that's that's where you  cut money out of the budget.  When you start using your  brain. Thank Expand.  >> Mister mayor I just remind  the public and everyone that  if you intend to speak on  item. You need to turn in the  comment cards before the item  is called under our So just a  reminder to the public. If you  intend to speak on anyone that  have been pulled more than  from the consent agenda or  otherwise, please make sure  comment cards or into to the  clerk prior to it being  caught.  >> Thank you, Mister Clinton  reminding us Council. Any  further discussion or do I  hear a motion or do we want to  what Mister Greg just talked  about. Have Peter look into.  Because Suu Kyi year. Seminole  GPA.  >> Yeah, I'm going die. You I  move to approve with. Pete's  recommendation for how to move  forward on. busy vow.  >> I do. I hear second.  >> You mean taking or did you  need because gazebo slash  potential Tiki including the  concept of the year. He can  look at that  >> But, yeah. you second. I'll  second.  >> Okay. So we have a motion  and second call the roll,  please.  >> Remember those. But Jo  Lynn. Councilmember, Mark.  Correct. Yes, council member  Henry Rosenthal. Mayor Sherman  honey. And Mayor buddy Pender.  Yes, motion passes 5, 0. Okay.  So Council  >> we move from now what I  know we've got to do 5, 6, 7,  But can we move the.  >> Baseball field up because I  know coach rich are still here  and go ahead and bring this up  tab acts. Are you guys OK with  that. If I asked permission  with Mister quick. He said  yes, we could because these  were polled. So can we do OK.  All right. So that's moved to  >> Texas, a resolution a  village Council by llamada  village violence. Florida,  approving an inner local  agreement with the school  board of Monroe County,  Florida regarding the  provision of enhance  recreation facilities and  opportunities. But in the  village authorizing village  manager execute the inner  local agreement providing for  implementation corrections and  an effective date. you see him  trying to find that on here.  But with tab is that Marnie.  We meet at white have. That's  OK, I got it. I got it. OK,  Rob.  >> Yes, I just wanted clarify  per the council and members of  the public that this inter  local agreement does not  authorize the renovation of  the baseball field. It's  intended to its reestablish.  The arrangement that has been  longstanding with respect to  the baseball routine use of  that field and complex and  provide mechanisms for us to  set the annual use plan for  the field as well as deal with  any, you know, construction  related things that may occur  on a baseball field over the  course of years of routine  use. Importantly, the  renovation itself. And Mister  left spoke to Council the  public earlier. It's going to  be the subject of a baseball  license agreement which comes  later and that document will  memorialize the outcome of the  public process whereby they  discuss the concept for  renovation and an associated  operating plan. So persons  that are really interested  things like Astro turf work or  the speaker b**** or whatever  the case may be protecting the  trees. All of that is germane  to the baseball license. But  again, there's a public  process leading up to that.  Right now. We're just looking  to gain authorization for  historic used to that property  renovation plan attached to  that.  >> that being said, we want to  open public Are you have  speakers.  >> We have Gillis. Followed by  Tony Hammond, Richard Russell.  Thank you.  >> All right. Who would like  to okay. silent Miranda excuse  >> so I would urge you to  approve the we did this years  ago. I only think I was on  Council. Then when we did it  the first time. But.  >> We did it because the kids  need a place to play baseball.  If you move the baseball field  up to the high school year,  you're going to lose to other  sports it doesn't make any  sense at all. We have we have  kids that are in that baseball  program that are getting  scholarships. This college  because how good they are. We  have a good program here. We  have been known for. Assisting  our kids. Think about what we  do with the Rotary and  everything. This is this is  part of that. Now the other  half of the agreement we can  talk about how much they  should improve. But we need to  allow the high school to use  this piece of property for  this baseball field. Who's  next morning, a county.  >> Tony. 2, 4, 6, dentistry  plantation key. I can tell you  firsthand obviously just  finishing up the season that  we don't have an option. I've  looked and walk the grounds,  of course there's there's no  place but a ball field in if  if we don't have a ball field  here. We don't have baseball.  It's a simple we signed to  college kids this year. They  signed commitment letters. The  kids are having so much fun  after we lost our district  game on Friday. They did a  pickup game on their coaches.  Just the entire team got  together and played another  game Friday afternoon. Just  just because are enjoying  baseball so much. We haven't  seen that in a while and I  just want to encourage you  because it is an outlet is  absolutely necessary for cycle  is a great group of kids. You  know, when you look around at  that kids in our communities.  These are kids that we can be  proud of. keeping involved in  sports is absolutely critical.  The mentorship that takes  place the opportunities we  have is just phenomenal with  them. So I just encourage you.  Police continue this  agreement. I don't see that  there really is an option. If  you want to see baseball  moving forward. This is is the  option we have. Let me just  kill real quick. So one  recently said what they want  to lock the field. That is  absolutely false. I suggested  that during the gigantic  nautical market that we put  locks on the big Gates so that  people couldn't pull or  trailers in and turn their  boat around and tear the  outfield up. That's where that  locking the field came from  one day one time. That is  pure. So take that off the  table. That's not the case.  Our goal is to have the field  and wanted to be used in a  proper way as much as you  possibly can. The other. Thank  you. Consider is we take the  responsibility for the feel  off of the villages hands for  5 months of the year. It's a  7, 5, split. We maintain it.  We pay the bills. We do all  that. We we used to the group  from girls or to come down to  get the feels ready and  maintaining put the weed  killer down to all the things  that they have to do. So it's  definitely a good deal for the  village. So thanks. Thanks,  Tony. Who's next Monday. But  Russell.  >> Another I know you will  find this shocking, but I want  to appeal to you as well to  support the local agreement.  And if if you're just supposed  this with the initial one from  2000. You'll find that the  language is largely repurpose  go to the to the point made.  This is a preliminary step or  2 preseason anything relative  to renovations and so forth. I  know there's some controversy  about That's not this. And as  Tony alluded to. I can tell  you when we we moved of  baseball. Feel, but our  baseball program down here. As  athletic director and head  baseball coach was a highly  motivated individual trying to  find a way to keep it there.  And the bottom line was to  have If we're going to have a  track. We're at a tennis  program. Something had to  give. And proposal made and  the joint agreement with the  village for the school board  was that we would relocate  here and where. Yeah, so I  would ask for that It's really  it can the inner local  agreement that. The school  board as a landlord has with  the village relative to fire  station. 20 of the monument.  The library a part control  partial. So what 19 dash 10  dash 93 and that too was  renewed without with that kind  of couple of complications. I  think it's renewed through  2050 or so something relevant  to that. certainly appreciate  that consideration. I think  the thank you, rich.  >> The van is an ax. That's  correct. Is that the last know  we have a collar on zoom as  well.  >> Then came Alamo. Put me in  coach. I don't smoke. I I was  one of the ones that fought  for this baseball field here  when they're building a new  call shores. And I've been  very happy that the the  Hurricanes get to play here. I  think it's been a wonderful  thing in and Tony and Richard  both got my full support on on  continuing us until we get to  in a. Contract form with the  with the school board about  continuing on the  refurbishment thereof. But I  want to bring this up because  I heard a lot one of the  reasons that they want to put  Astro turf in. They wanted to  do all up. Grade. He's because  it feels and such lousy shape.  Well, Tony says that they're  going to be in charge of the  field for 5 months and we're  going to be in charge of feel  for 7 months. Now somehow long  and those 20 years since that  agreement was made. Somebody  flub the dub. Somebody did not  keep up. They're into the  maintenance. I want to make  sure that that field is not  dangerous, that there's no  roxon Depressions and  probably. I want to make sure  it's of quality field for.  Everybody to play on not just  cool shores but the community  softball teams and the Lady  softball and everybody else  that uses that field. In the 7  months that it belongs to the  the the public. So so please,  when you when sign this  agreement, this local  agreement a continuation  thereof. I hope that the  maintenance of the field is is  a a. Delineated. Clearly. And  and that the the final outcome  is that the field is in  pristine shape 12 months of  the year. I don't care. Who  does it. But somebody didn't  do it in the last 20 years,  which is why we've gotten to  this. point where people come  up. So it's just in such  terrible shape. Well, it's in  terrible shape because nobody  paid attention. So I want to  pay attention. Thank you.  Thank you, Dan.  >> You know, we have another  coaching room back there in  the corner that works first  I've seen AJ out there on the  football field. Many times  during football season. Rally  and those guys so AJ just  thanks for you know what you  do for made me think has  looking back which you do  during football season to  help. You know, the coaches,  the coral shores. who's next  morning.  >> We have a collar on zoom at  the last for numbers of 0, 5,  4, 1, Go ahead. You've got 3  minutes to speak.  >> Hi, this is Alina Davis  plantation key. I have some  questions about the document  it cell. On number 3, we talk  about opportunities to the  citizens of and visitors to  the village and 2 public  school students of Monroe  County. Let's remember  founders Park belongs to the  residents of the village and  the taxpayers of the village  by The public school students  of the county is again  mentioned on number 4. On  number 5 duration of the  agreement. 20 years. What D a  the agreement on the design  cannot be reached. It's  certainly a possibility. I  don't think it's going to  happen. But it's a  possibility. I'm just being  Devil's advocate here to make  sure that we at the village  protect ourselves. The school  board has tons of money and  lots of plans. But in the end.  We. The village own founders  Park. Numbers 8. The village  and school board delegate  authority to the village  manager or designee. School  board has been discussing this  plan with the village. Yeah. 2  years we found out. And  village Council and the  citizens of Island Marotta  new. Not thing about it. How  did that happen? How did that  happen? Number 11, the agency  license. The village and  school board will need to  enter into separate baseball  license agreement for the use  of the recreational facility  before signing any agreement  shouldn't all the information  required be known. You don't  sign a contract with the  contractor to build your how  to 4 a million dollars and  then tell him that it's going  to be 7 1000 square feet and  Theresa story right. So we  need to have these details  fleshed out. Again. Number 12  talks about executed by the  village manager. The village  Council needs to be that. And  to so that we the public have  input. Number 13 building and  building services billings for  maintenance related costs  shall be sent to the village  by the school board. Do we  have any idea how much that  will be. Number 14 tangible  title to tangible property  upon termination of agreement.  The village shall pay the  school board an amount equal  to the adjusted value of the  recreational facility. Who  decides on that value.  >> you know, can we wrap it  up, please. Yes, Sir.  Acceptance of get.  >> They are empowered to  except for the benefit either  or both of them gifts grants  assistance sponsored class.  The devil is in the details. I  believe that Needs to be  adjusted. Favor. The village a  bit right now. I see it  favoring the school board a  bit more and it needs to be  fair. Thank you.  >> Thank you. Marni other  public comment. A public  comment is now close counsel  any further discussion or do I  hear a motion.  >> I have a number of  questions for John. Okay. Go  ahead.  >> I know we have tracked we  played phone tag and I we just  weren't able to connect  >> you  >> this this original if I'm  not mistaken and maybe you  can. Tell me whether I'm  remembering this correctly,  the original contract look  similar to this. But it also  had list of what was of the  improvements that we're going  to be made. I think that do  you recall saying that there  was there was a list of like,  you know, just 10 different  things and so I think that was  actually part of the original  sort  >> blow up around how we were  going to move forward with  this whole conversation.  >> And so when I read this  contract. I think I think that  there's some confusion of  about. I'm about about what  it's actually doing right.  Because we took off that list  of things because apparently  we're going to talk about  those later. We're going to  decide later. What this.  Improvement is going to be so,  you know, the so I could just  run through a couple quick  questions. The purpose number  3, the purpose of the great of  the is. Relative to the  provision of enhance  recreational facilities. So so  it strikes me that this really  is discussing the of the  property as opposed to simply  the use. I wonder if we could  get some clarity on that. Are  we talking about. Is this. And  those are 2 different things  so that what I thought this  was for is for the use of the  space right. This to me say  this term enhance the  provision of enhanced  recreation facilities is  suggesting. The build right.  The enhancement that  improvements. So. I'm not sure  how we want to through this.  But I would hope we could  clarify that.  >> Mansour earn our way to  actually well have 8 points  with that.  >> It seems destined to go one  at a time. Honored him or  whatever, whatever is easiest.  You know, when those track and  that's why so whats the  question with regard to  enhanced.  >> Because as we move through  my other  >> maybe maybe will become  clear mean that this is a use  agreement. If I'm not mistaken  is not an agreement for anyone  to build because as we get  down in here, there are  references to acquisition, but  no specifications acquisition  of materials, but no  specification of who's going  to build once the stuff is  acquired. So.  >> That the entire the entire  contract. Implies that we're  acquiring materials to build.  But then there are holes  about. How.  >> I think without doubt talks  about the school district  acquiring materials to build  and it talks about how that  that's going to be done at  their cost. No cost to the  village. That will be done  through a separate agreement  that the school district has  with whomever they acquired  from. But the acquisition of  materials is not a cost that's  formed by the village. That's  spelled out, I think in. 7  where it talks about  acquisition of materials  equipment such Sarah shell be  the responsibility of and paid  for by the school board. So we  talked about that  specifically. That is  something that is borne by the  school board, not borne by the  by the village. Okay. So so.  >> Let's just come back to  that. Herman Hansen. Number 7,  it references acquisition of  materials. But it doesn't  specify. I'm going to building  and I would think that we  would want to clarify that  because the smaller school  board is buying over.  Enhancements. Who's going to  be responsible for building  and.  >> He said they're going to  have a design team and then  they're going to pick in ob.  He'll be working with Rob Cole  and John on this whole thing  as far as a license. And it  says the recreational facility  located at the baseball field  and the acquisition of  materials equipment pictures,  metering devices and related  item shall be the  responsibility of and paid for  by the school board that the  acquisition of the materials.  But and the recreational  facility at founders Park.  That's the beginning part of  that sentence. A recreational  facility. Located in the  baseball field and the  acquisition of materials etc  shell be the responsibility of  and paid for by the school  board.  >> So there is no recreational  facility located at the  baseball field site shown  That's what we're going to  There's one currently there  and then if they.  >> Look to construct a new one  that, yeah, that will be part  of the baseball field  licensing room. But there is  currently a baseball field.  There.  >> So so is it would be  helpful clarify the difference  because it as we continue  through the contract, you're  using the term recreational  facility and also recreational  area. So what I and and for  the for the ease of everyone  reading this because I think a  lot of eyes will be on it. Are  you suggesting that? The  recreational area and  recreational facility are  interchangeable terms know the  recreational facility is the  actual structure. Eli term is  used.  >> There are dugouts There are  fences. There is a backstop.  There is a a a there are bases  their base paths. I mean, that  is the recreational facility,  the recreational facility does  not take up the entire  footprint of the area, though.  So there is an area with a  recreational facility inside.  There's there's currently  recreational facility there.  We all know that the school  district would like to build a  new recreational facility.  There and ultimately that is  something that would have to  come back before the the  village and the district to to  approve anything a license  agreement.  >> So so everyone is clear  that the recreational facility  that you're referring to in  this in this contract is  what's there right now. We're  not talking about a new one.  >> Any new one would have to  be dealt with the licensing  agreement. The baseball  license agreement.  >> Okay.  >> let's and then you're  referring to in 11, the  license agreement. But then  we're going use agreement out,  just wonder if it would be  helpful to move this forward  to define these terms for  people who are reading this  contract and for anyone who's  who's bound by the contract  because you can get 2 things  that they are defined used  agreement is defined up in  paragraph. 8.  >> Recreational use agreement  that and the reason why that's  delegated to the manager. That  is the schedule. So you have a  schedule that the that the  baseball team gets. You  >> they're going to be  playing, you know, Key West  there will be whomever that's  the schedule of that comes out  on on, you know. February 3rd,  they play whoever and if  there's a rain out, it has to  be rescheduled. And so the  reason why delegates a  manager. So we do have to come  before you all on a special  meeting to deal with the rain  out or if there's a playoffs  and they they advance. You  know, we don't have to come  back before you all to to  schedule the home games. with  Biden when you're saying the  on 11 the village and school  board only to enter into a  separate baseball license  agreement of the proposed  renovation. Okay. And  operation.  >> Of the recreational  facility. The operation is  something different than use.  >> I mean, so I mean, that  language is included in your  requests. The proposed  renovation operation. But yes.  So if there's a. Yes when you  have a new facility, we will  have to deal with because  there may be new components to  that. So that would require  the operation. I don't.  There's been talk I you know,  I want to put words out there  in the public. But if there's  if there's new components to  the facility. They're not.  That would have to be dealt  with in the in the baseball  licensing agreement that they  will be on who operate those.  New components that that could  could exist. There may be  There may be some. But, you  know, we need to so. There's  no need to clarify the  difference between the  operation and the use  recreational facility. People  anybody normally just reading  it would understand the  difference between operation  and use of the facility.  >> And just just trying to get  because it's unclear to me and  you know.  >> Well, I think that the  definitions will be defined in  the agreements themselves. So  they are each one is a  separate agreement. There's a  separate usag remit that I'm  the manager a manager or  designee will approve annually  and that will specify exactly  the schedule that goes into  that. And then the licensing  agreement will be defined by  the terms of the licensing  agreement.  >> schedule. Okay. So lets  them number help me the last  part of that paragraph. I you  know, I'm to religious school  would agree that has to the  recreational facility site and  in consultation with the  principal, the parties will  develop a mutually acceptable  use agreement. Providing for  the facility schedule.  Executed by the village  manager and superintendent. So  presumably that that saying  that we can use whatever that  the citizens can use that  building in. In the use  agreement. Is that clear  agreement will designate when  business use whatever  structures built. Okay.  >> question. So under billion  services maintenance related  costs will become clear once.  >> We understand what's going  to be built there.  >> Yeah. Do that will depend  upon, you know who who's using  so when the school district  using it. I mean that that  will be borne by them when  we're using it will be borne  by but it since we don't have  the schedule right now. We  don't know the exactly the pro  >> occasion. So the.  >> So the baseball agreement  that your work. We don't have  in front of us is going to  describe what kuz maintaining  that the route for structural  repair or of the building does  are going to see that in the  baseball. A green license  agreement. As opposed to  paying for, you know, water  and lights. It doesn't. I'm I  didn't see that. You know, if  there's. You know, he's  cleaning bathrooms whose.  That's not been this  agreement. You know, that's  not in this agreement. This is  more like an umbrella  agreement.  >> But we'll see that. And  this baseball license  agreement which is not in  front of us. I believe so,  yes. I think it's good idea.  >> So.  >> Okay. That's great.  >> Thank you. anything any  questions. Hear a motion. I  know this The beginning. Some  things. It's going to take a  long time. I could happen. for  sure. And there will be many,  many questions. So some. And  some very important. The first  thing I say is initial  agreement of 20 years. 2.10,  your options written 40 years.  And the only way they get  where we get on. The 2 year.  ration of. Getting another  contract. Accounts. Carries  scares me a little bit. We're  talking 40 years. And rest of  all your questions to me here.  Held by the wayside. We're  talking about 40 years. If  your questions. That's a long  time.  >> I I would say think of this  as a two-year with the  two-year termination clause  because you could sign Today,  but not to mid-state side of  state. You turn around and  terminated the next day. But  obviously with the two-year  provision have to give 2  years. Yeah, yeah. And in part  of that is, you know, part of  that is for the village to so  that we can you know, if it's  going to be terminated that we  can absorb the cost. We can  absorb everything and then  part of it obviously for the  district so that they can both  ways. Yeah. This nationally.  >> We're talking about for  years.  >> Yeah, nobody terminates and  it it would automatically  renewing continue on for 40,  right. That's a long time. I'm  Carol. Get hurt. That's a long  time.  >> And already been over 20  years. I think news, John.  It's already. Yeah. 5 years.  >> But a conditions of the  city and and. I don't know.  >> You've been there long I've  been here long enough. lot of  conditions and the people look  at things have changed over 20  years. We've been here excess  of 50 years. For years. A long  time. that's all I'm saying.  We not not want to have  baseball in in my and say.  >> this situation. don't know,  maybe 10 years with the couple  10 your options or something  like that. I don't know. 4  years is a long contract for  anything. That's my feeling.  Moderation or Just repurpose.  >> He's 20 years. I've got a  copy over here and also the  baseball agreement. And it's  it's it's, as I mentioned  before, it is consistent with  what local green is down the  station 20.  >> And the the, you know,  public park. And so we're.  >> There's a was like every  other contract you are you  guys want to get out of was 2  years to get out. So shout. 40  Israeli 2 years as as Mister  quick stated. And for frankly  before we simply don't have  plan B. There may may be a  time where it becomes  convenient both entities get  together and say, hey, or we  found a partial over here that  we can work with actually.  Sure. And I talked about that.  That's entirely possible. You  know, but it isn't like isn't  to that. And we had to have a  continuance over baseball  program. We get Theater  systems all throughout this  community start with 5  year-olds. And if there's  nothing to play for when you  get a high score ago. I don't  have to go into that. I think  we are all can agree. But 2  point that there is there is  great cause. It's 2 years too,  from notes. According to this,  it was a it was honestly. It's  repurpose. What was there. We  are really in the 3rd year  that first extension. But  inexplicably nobody has a  signed contract of school  board and nobody from the  ruins has won. And yet we all  have pictures. A lot of us  were there. lot of us were  there for the groundbreaking.  So we know that both entities  agreed to this contract. I  think we can safely assume  that everybody was on board  one when they broke ground  because it was both both the  village representative and the  school board representative.  So they agreed to  >> Mary was saying I want to  say as long as the community  will have the ability to  discuss the look at everything  as long as we can continue to  talk make changes as they come  up and that this is not this  is just the first step. And  there's a lot long way to go  here. And as long as the  school board realize is that  the people in this town have  are just as important as  children who are playing  baseball. That's all I'm  looking for. So I moved to  approve this as being the  first step. And as long as we  can keep the communication  going and input from  everybody. I think we need to  move forward with still very  much of our and to your point.  >> This is the inner local  agreement that we're talking  about. This was a pre-existing  one. This is the baseball ices  agreement. So it's much more  comprehensive much more detail  about that. Why do we have  sorry. This is.  >> This is one from 2000, I'm  talking with the overnight and  the muddy the water. But we've  got a motion on the floor.  Mister we have tents to go  here. Second.  >> Thanks, Thank you. All  right. So we have morning. We  have a motion and second, you  call the roll. Please.  >> Vice mayor sure Mahoney.  Yes, MR. Craig. S remember  Elizabeth jolon. councilmember  Ken Rosenthal and Mayor buddy  penned. Yes, motion passes 5,  0, So John, could you just  send us that baseball license  agreement.  >> Yeah. I mean, it's not it's  not done. I mean, we're still  drafting its what you mean.  What Mister Russell was  referring to was the one from.  2000, one or whatever it will  be, it will come back before  you all. You will see it all.  And we went when is that going  around.  >> I just want to add that the  baseball license agreement, it  would be a little bit  premature speculate because it  also is going to be the  product of a public engagement  process that informs we do  rooms and conditions of it. So  if we look at it with, you  know, if I would not reflect  the public process that needs  to take place before we get  there. That's I think it's  just a little bit stage. Not  right. put it that way. Yeah.  >> Okay. So let's move on to  tab. 5, which events.  >> 5 is a resolution of those  Council violent out of those  rounds. Florida approving the  final rankings are  recommendations. The rfp 24  deaths here for evaluation  Committee for selection of a  contractor for the  surveillance camera system  project authorizing village  manager military negotiate an  agreement for the request of  services authorizing managed  execute the agreement  approving a budget amendment  authorizing village manager  expend budget funds and  providing an effective date.  >> Good evening, Council.  Mayor, this project started  with replacing current video  system in our lobbies in the  parking lot of do it all. I  got request from the park. The  marina. And public works to  get that corner over there.  And no matter what happens  with public works. Those  cameras will move or they  might stay on the pool. So I  just want to make that clear,  too. There's some issues that  have been happening in the  park here and there last  night. Some kuz knocking the  point jumped in the somebody  there was also a theft, I  think down at the marina.  Okay. You know, there's been  things going on here. We have  a license plate reader now at  the front gate so we can see  who's coming in, at least, but  we need video surveillance to  okay. village halls been  lacking for the past almost  year, year and a half think  work, but not really. So  that's what. Got us to where  we're at today. If you have  any now. So many questions for  events.  >> If not, can we open public  comment. We have any public  comment Marni.  >> I let me double check on  zoom. I don't believe so. So  Make a motion.  >> The steps proposal only he  pulled it commute. I thought  maybe might have a reason why  uphold it. No.  >> it from causing just Okay.  So I didn't know if you had  something specific public  comment that I hear. Okay.  Correct. Okay. Alright. So  Henri made a motion. Do I hear  a second. We've got a motion  and second minute call the  roll. Please.  >> Remember 100 Rosenthal.  Yes, a member of our Craig.  Yes, council member Elizabeth  jolon.  >> Vice mayor share Mahoney.  Yes, and their buddy Pender.  Yes, thank you. Council 5.  You're welcome. So Martin take  a break now. Okay. Can we take  a guys for. 5 to 7 minutes. I  >> order. I've been told is  even longer 7 minutes to get  up here and get going.  ♪ >> I have something to Okay.  Go ahead. Vice during the  break. I had several tax from  some. Wonderful people in this  community who greatly care. So  I took the time to talk to our  manager, Rob in our lawyer,  John. they are going to make  the changes that were  suggested about the council  having more say however,  should I word that you guys  jump in there. I mean, I want  if you want to do that, it  would be a motion to  reconsider.  >> With specific spent. So  what what you're looking for a  night that I can go through. I  went through the agreement to  identify where it would be and  what it would be. Is that  baseball field? I'm sorry.  This is tab Is that in the  locations where it talks about  the manager or designee in  certain it you you you all you  may want that to be Council  and not the manager. Or  designee. So I went through  the agreement there are 3  paragraphs that talk about the  manager or designee, the first  one is paragraph 8 and that is  the use agreement that's the  we talked about, which is the  schedule. For.  >> You know, when the high  school uses the field. If  there's any modifications I  said for rain out playoffs.  That is that's one area where  it talks about the manager or  designee so that that would  not come back before Council.  The other is section 12, which  is access to the recreational  areas. And that also is is  tied to the use agreement. So  the same thing, it's talk  about the manager does need  use agreement. The only other  place that it talks about. I'm  the manager or designee is  actually for notices. If  there's notices that are have  to be sent for purposes of you  know, any communication or  invoices whatever it might  need to be that get sent it to  talk about the manager.  Everything else comes back to  the council. So anything if  it's going modify the field.  If there's going to be, you  know, construction issues, all  of that has drafted is going  to have to come back before  the council. So the the so  there's really only 2 items  that that go that go to the  manager. So. Unos will be what  you would be talking about if  you want those to go to the  council or not, although at  least for notices. I recommend  that you specify specific  person. Okay. Megan, I  understand. I just want to  make sure that the people know  that this is their part just  as much as it is going to be  for coral shores and that.  >> I want to take all other  considerations into what we  do. And so I would like to and  it's not stepping on your  toes. You. just so we feel  like we function as a group.  So thank you. All right. Okay.  Vice mayor, you finish,  because I  >> OK, so we're going to move  on to tab 6.  >> 10, 6 is a resolution. The  village Council violent a  village about Florida  approving the ranking of the  rfp 24 dash 0, 6 evaluation  Committee for design and  installation of an inclusive  playground for founders Park  Beach authorize a village  manager ability turning  treatment and providing an  affected date. All right.  Maria.  >> Hello, mayor vice mayor and  Council.  >> This item is here you It  item that we.  >> This year. And it was  seemed to be a pretty  important not only for the  council here but for our  residents. We have big request  to upgrade. Our facility that  we have right now and that's  our playground. the staff  decided to move forward with  this item since it was a  budgeted item and that's it is  in front of you tonight. So  we. Went out for an rfp. To  contractors received 5  different contractors put in  bids. At that point in time  there was evaluation  committee. The evaluation  committee reviewed all those  are of peas and we rank them.  Clay Moore was the highest  ranked. This provided 3  different proposals. All of  those those companies provided  different designs. We'd love  their designs. All 3 designs  had concepts a mall. They are  related around the ocean  nature I was just really kind  of. Imagination that we would  want for founders Park. So  that's why we rank them the  highest. We also have a  relationship with this company  put in the inclusive  playground and library Park.  So and they also installed the  playground that we have now.  So we do have a really good  working relationship with  them. So basically what this?  Agenda item isn't funny. You  now is just approving the  ranking of the company's OK,  the design plan is not set  yet. We will have to bring  that back to you with actual  design we have on the thought  behind that is also including  residents. 2 for input from  the parks and Recreation  advisory or getting from them  on the actual design. There  are some items that are  related to this. We putin  application for TDC funding.  So there is application that  With TDC right in June. They  will be looking at that  application and hopefully we  will be awarded that. Okay. We  have a very good. Yeah.  Reputation, also a very good  track record of obtaining TDC  funding for projects like this  so that is a positive and like  I said, I think we'll know  more in June and I know  there's also things on the  table to when it comes to  founders Park. The master  overall master plan and all  that. So there's a lot of  things in the works. But. We  feel that we can move forward  with this because again, this  only the ranking to us that we  can negotiate with this  company. Talk to them about  our plans and what we would  like to do in the future.  Otherwise we cannot move  forward with anything and  we'll have to go out to so  that is some that we could do  is just hold off and wait.  because that's up to you  cancel to decide that.  hopefully explained everything  pretty good. Well, and if you  have any questions, I just  want to jump in here and say  that when I very first got on  Council.  >> Some of my friends came  into town and I don't know if  they thought I'd be like  standing in the middle of the  field or whatever. But they  came here looking for me and  their daughter has a is  handicapped and one of the  first things I asked for when  the gun Council's wise in our  playground 88 compliant. So I  am thrilled that you took the  initiative. You guys went out  and did it. And I know we're  talking about a master plan  for the park, but I don't see  where the playground could go  anywhere. It's such a great  location for children. It's  near the beach. It's near the  nature. So I want to give you  your kudos for taking the ball  and running with it because I  didn't know if anybody hurt me  when I said that. So thank  you. Thank you heaven. I'm  Maria. I tend to support your  this motion tonight. But I  just wanted to ask a question.  >> That you are where we have  rfp out for. And I don't know  what we call it overhaul of  the entire founders Park  design can do you foresee. I  mean, we're going to go  forward with this tonight to  keep it rolling. Do you  foresee the actual design and  construction of this planning  element. Dovetailing with what  we're going to be doing. You  know, if we have enough time  for the vote. Our the overall  Park plan to include what  you're doing or not. That is  the plan. So your next meeting  in June.  >> We will be bringing to the  counsel, the ranking of the  proposals that came in for the  master plan. So we had. I  think it was for for companies  that putting proposals for the  master So we rank them and  we'll be coming back to you  with that in June. So once you  know, Council decides on what  company that you'd like to go  forward, which then obviously  that the manager too start  negotiations with with that  company. It sounds like  they're kind of going almost  parallel yeah, that's the plan  in questions. Thank could.  Could I just going do you want  to say something.  >> I was just going to  highlight Maria and I were  chatting and she had a  wonderful idea and that the  timing for these will in terms  of negotiating contracts with  both the master plan company  and the playground company  come together to the extent  where we can rely on at least  in part the master plan from  and their professionalism to  help make sure that what we're  doing on the park playground  equipment dubbed helps with  their process even if they  have to kind of reach Eckert  exactly what they're going to  do first. But they will  dovetail and Maria was  indicating to me that that was  the plan and so can I just  understand very clearly in a  in a different language  >> that we're proving this.  >> But the design will be.  >> stalled until. We  understand through the park  renovation where it's going to  go. It is that is that are we  clear on that.  >> I think what we're trying  to do is to one get permission  from Council to begin  negotiating with this vendor  when we have that authority,  then will reach out to that  vendor and let them know,  look, we have a master plan  that's also going to be  pressing through contract  award and tried to see if we  can blend those 2 schedules  together such that. If there  is any perspective change in  location which many people  have weighed in on saying they  don't really think that's  going to happen. But you have  a professional master planner  that would have the depth and  breadth of experience to give  us their professional  perspective on that question,  too, potentially early on in  that process. So are plan  would negotiate with both. Let  playground equipment company  know that we have coming on  the heels of their contract  award or thereabouts. The  master plan company coming on.  And as soon as we get  authority to begin negotiating  with the master plan. Entity.  We will have a very early  conversation with them and get  their professional temperature  about how and when we can move  forward with the inclusive  playground. If they say don't  touch it, that will have a  conversation about don't touch  it and we'll try to negotiate  with the playground company  saying, OK, can you guys hang  on long enough based on what  we're hearing from the master  plan to to make that fit in a  in a coherent way. So it's a  it's conversation we don't  know the answer to yet, but we  are committed to at least  trying to merge those 2  together. if if the cards come  down that we have to, you  know, stall and then, you  know, what, we'll have that  conversation. If on the other  hand and we're more optimistic  on this hand. Those 2 things  can move forward at a. An  expedited basis for that. The  playground we'd like to try  and do that. But that's not to  say we will.  >> That was an interesting the  long answer for when hoping  was a yes. We're going to wait  as someone who has I bet. 7  more years of my entire life  at that playground then and  any of you have. feel I feel  very passionate about this  particular space. I'm thrilled  that we're moving forward on  the ABA component. I'm  intimately familiar with that  entire what I was you. I will  set us where that playground.  And and I think that they're  in case you're not hearing  from. The stakeholders who use  that that I think there is  actually. A very strong reason  to think about. Moving that  from where it is into the  corner, possibly so that you  could actually have a game of  you. I mean, anyone going on.  So I appreciate that. We're  that the whole. bunch of women  with children would be happy  to see those 2 conversations  happen in a robust manner with  like a very close scrutiny I.  Could go on. But I think you  get the point. So thank you  thinking about the rfp and  then the park moving forward  together. So summary and only  thing I have, I take my 2 and  a half year old grandson.  There.  >> And I take my 6 and a half  year old to the park in Key  West. The only thing that I  think we really need to think  about is that I've seen some  other mothers that are there  with their kids. Is that  sometimes the way the sun is  in Key West. It's a problem.  So there needs to be a sale  that keeps because when it  gets hot in these kids got  shorts on it will burn. It can  I mean, I don't I can even  hold my hand on it. One day.  So I just would like to make  sure that that's in  consideration page is a  component yeah. Oh, yeah. The  slides, especially that  there's there. There. She  aided The sun doesn't barrel  on it. We can put solar panels  over. I'm joking. But hey, you  never You  >> But anyways. I think it's  great. There are a lot of  people that it used that and  use the one near public Beach  all around parking.  >> Yeah. And the TDC when we  if we see the funding for  that. We cannot start the  project October anyway. So you  still looking at standing that  time. So there is I think  think we're going to have time  to be able to do everything.  That's the Murray.  >> I'm glad to hear there's a  plan. About to happen. Did you  have the opportunity to check  with county. Because be put  equipment that library. We are  presently putting I quit my  and Harry Harrisburg.  >> Well, the library Park is  our part really have AJ  charging that probably put  that who We want to on I know  that put the libraries or  County situation really with.  That's OK, so yes. beautiful  and they a great job sound  used 40 quitman the carriers  part. He's pretty or not. And  they also put in new equipment  at key Largo community Park.  And that's gorgeous as well.  So just want mention a lot of  ideas. When you visit other  parks.  >> All made on other questions  for Murray. Are we finished.  All right. Thank you, Maria.  Thank you. Public comment  Marni public comment.  >> Yes. Give I just urge you  to to pass it. And in get it  in place as soon as possible.  The TDC grant would be a  factor in that it you can't  use that money until October,  maybe November. I forget. If  you think about your overall  Park plan. It's going to take  a while because vote that  overall plan will come back to  you for approval. Think about  that. I'm sorry I hate to put  but there there is the  possibility and I don't know  why you couldn't that the  equipment could be relocated  if the new overall plan.  Highly suggested that it be  moved.  >> Thank you any other public  comment Marni. Okay. Public  comment is now closed. Do I  hear a motion to approve yes,  motion hear second. Second.  >> All right, Marty, we have a  motion a second when you call  the roll, please.  >> a member of our Greg. Yes,  councilmember Henry Rosenthal.  councilmember Elizabeth Dole  and Vice mayor sure Mahoney.  Yes, and everybody penned yes,  motion passes 5, 0, So we're  moving on tab 7.  >> 10, 7 is a resolution. A  village Council accountability  violence. Florida ratifying  increasing not authorize  purchases from of Che Nugent  and Associates The end of  fiscal year 2023 2024  authorizing manager expend  budget funds providing for an  effective date.  >> AJ.  >> Good evening. I'm yes, this  is increase our. Budgeted  funds for FJ Nugent from the  122,000. That is currently  approved. We have approached  out and are very close to it.  And it's increasing another  50,272 1000 to make to make  way for the rest of the fiscal  year. The reason for the  increase. We had a unforeseen  last month. We had a couple  force main breaks. And then  which caused the couple of the  ground homes to burnout and  those parts and everything for  the repairs of those. One of  those we will be seeking funds  for reimbursement. From the  utility contractor that broke  the line. So those funds will  be re. Receive their  recovered. The other incident  and we had was duplex station  the casing of the for the tank  had cracked and had a lot of I  and I coming in. So we will  try to patch it and make  repairs to a temporarily. But  ultimately had to completely  replace to put itself.  >> You're putting up Ali came  back and they're right.  Correct. I I was in a fire  ice. She said it was a  fiberglass tank. Yeah.  Council. Any questions for AJ.  AJ, thank you. All right. I'm  martie public comment for  this.  >> I don't believe so. Let me  double so.  >> Okay. Public comments now  close. Then Council. As for  the public comment. No public  comment so close that so do I  hear a motion from anybody on  this. All Rights Act All  right. motion a second. We  call the roll, please.  >> Remember, correct. Yes.  Remember the Jonas council  member Henry Rosenthal Vice  mayor Sharon honey. Yes, and  Mayor Eddie Pender. yes,  motion passes 5, 0,  >> So we're on to tab 8. Is  that correct? Yes, we've is a  resolution of the village  Council violent out of  violence. Florida amending the  2024 total amount of  non-residential floor area and  residential dwelling in its  quarterly allocations and the  distribution of allocations  between categories of the  building permit allocation  system for 2024 in providing  for an effective date.  >> Thank you Council evening.  Jennifer devoe and planning  director. I'm here this for  your amended. 2024 building  permit allocation system  quarterly distribution  schedule. Section 30 dash 4.74  of the code of ordinances  requires that you establish  the total amount of  non-residential Floria  residential dwelling units  that may be available for the  next annual building permit  allocation system allocations.  The cases for that year and  the distribution its  allocation between the  categories. You may recall in  November of 2023 the council  voted to establish the total  amount of non-residential  Floria and affordable  residential drilling units  made available for 2024 the  village Council subsequently  adopted the comprehensive plan  amendment establishing  additional non residential  floor area additional market  rate allocations and the  criteria and allocations  schedule for the 300 workforce  early evacuation affordable  housing units. Which require  an amendment which required an  amendment to the adopt. Did  2024 distribution schedule  which is in front of you this  evening. The attached  resolution proposes the  distribution schedule as  follows. The amount of  non-residential floor area  available for allocation in  2024 is 20,261 square feet.  Which is 13,091 square feet  rolled over from 2023 plus an  additional 7,170 square feet  from the comprehensive plan  amendment adopted in 2024.  proposed schedule allows the  square footage to roll over  from quarter to quarter. There  are 2 affordable housing  allocations available for  distribution in 2024 rolled  over from 2023, the proposed  distribution schedule allows  those were to continue to roll  over from quarter to quarter.  There are 30 workforce,  affordable overly evacuation  House housing units  allocations available from the  comprehensive plan amendment.  The proposed distribution  schedule allows the  allocations to roll over from  quarter to quarter. And there  are 10 market rate residential  allocations available from the  comprehensive plan amendment.  The proposed distribution  schedule allows for 5  allocations land that occasion  and 2 allocations without  indication available for Ward  in quarter. 2 and their  allocations available for  quarter. 3 and allocations  available for quarter. 4. At  this time staff recommends  adoption of resolution.  >> Council. questions. The I  just not sure if I heard this  correctly.  >> 4 the market rate on  quarter one. We've already  given out to is that is that  when we have Mike market rate.  We haven't given out any we  didn't have any to give out  market rate. So how and  started just kid tonight. in  section 5 quarter 2 of the 5  market rate for land  dedication to without that's  7. But we have 10 that's  correct and will give out.  >> I believe it's to next year  and won the following year.  That was what the comp plan  amendment outlined.  >> inconsistent with this. It  is consistent it is it is.  >> We had indicated we give  out 5 with land dedication and  2 without land education in  2024 to without limitation in  2025 one without indication  2026.  >> Is that. How can we have 10  for this year. We don't have  10 for this year, but it's  paragraph for section 4 say.  >> I said there are 10 of  total available from the  comprehensive plan K. The  proposed schedule allows for  5, 2 this year. Which is 7.  The remainder residential  applications for 24 is 10  market rate.  >> And where you reading from  what made section 4. Looking  at the resolution. Okay. It  says the remainder of  residential allocations for  2024 is 10 market rate. Is  that correct? No, I'm sorry.  That's a typo. I was reading  from something out first page  with that. That's what I was  waiting for. all started.  >> So that's that's a 7.  >> K. Now. The math works.  >> 6 sheen should see some  evidence that team.  >> I want to say something  else. Unlike the dynamite  again. Consistent with my  remarks that I made earlier  tonight without the intention  of becoming incendiary again.  I think we would be better  served we would do a better  job for the public. If we were  to postpone allocations from  2024 to 2025 in 2026. Adjust  or. Correct section 4 from 7  to 0 section 5 to 0 for market  rate. Let me give you a  lighter. Know. going to make a  motion to approve with those  changes.  >> We We see if there's a if  there is reminder that we need  to open this up for public  comment. I've got about public  comment.  >> I have make that motion  wait to do that until after  public comment because I was  going say fair lot because it  was no lack of the second and  there is a lack of a second.  So.  >> Motion dies. Okay. Public  comment is now open.  >> Okay. We several folks  would like to speak hair. Deb  Gillis. All right. gonna  Martinez and Somebody told us  >> DEP go asylum or out I  answered one of my own so.  >> Them in  >> section on the market rate.  The. Seth report. It says for  5 I would just urge you to at  least pass the do the 5 for  the people that have been  waiting forever.  >> If you want to have a  discussion on a long-term of.  Everything else. With the  exception of one another. The  area and slow that down so  that you have what I call a  master plan of how you want to  distribute, though. That's one  thing but not not those 5.  Those 5 need to move ahead. We  have put those people off over  and over and over and over. So  those need to move ahead.  Everything else you can do.  What you want with the  exception of. Which is not in  this administrative review.  you have to, I believe on  Thursday nights. It is not  right to pull that out from  underneath those 2. Now the  remainder which I think  leaves. 33 year. I don't I  don't remember how many we got  left. If you want to put out a  notice that we're going to  change the rules. That's fine,  but not on the to the debt at  the table. This is just not  very fair. They've put in  their money. They put in their  time. I just believe that they  need to. Make sure that those  2 move forward only because.  They weren't given any other  notice. We did this one other  time with market rates. We  came to the table that night  and said oh, no, no, we're not  putting out tonight might  exactly fair. That's not right  in the only other thing I can  say along the same lines is  that. It's in here in not in  here, all the same time to  make sure that we don't and  dedication. Abilities still on  a moratorium that we have  actually.  >> Taken that off the table.  Because I think that was the  intent was to take it off the  table. But we put a moratorium  on because we could do that.  Quicker actually eliminating  them. And maybe it's just done  through acceptance. But it's  tied to this. This allocation  stuff. Thank you.  >> Marni Hughes next, please.  Good evening, everybody. Time.  Harris won 10 plantation  shores Boulevard.  >> Have a near I represent a  couple people that are  impacted by this distribution  schedule. The fur started the  land dedication 5. Also some  of the folks that are due  affordable housing  allocations. There are lots of  of implications too. Not  adopting the schedule tonight.  The land dedication folks  should be back in front of you  in July to Cora closes to last  a in June. So if you don't  adopt this scheduled and that  throws your entire 2nd quarter  off. It also may impact, but  he Collins who was here last  month and 4 doubles are  coming. Also out of the  distribution schedule. So  there are unintended  consequences for not  implementing your distribution  schedule, which is essentially  implementing a comprehensive  plan that you've already we've  already had these discussions  and you've already agreed in.  It's just part of the process  in order to move forward with  your first allocation in.  July. So with that, I know  there are other people that  want to speak to this. And I  thank you for your time.  >> Thanks to these next Marni.  >> Donna Cabrera. Donna  Cumberland dedication. I just  wanted to sincerely thank  council members and staff for  what I feel like was just a  you Mark. I know we're not  supposed to take it personal,  but it feels like it. We've  been going through this. It's  so emotional. My heart is  beating now. Always I wind up  crying up here. We've been  through multiple. Mayors  staff. And I feel like we're  finally tonight we were ready  to celebrate be at the finish  line. And I just want to  sincerely thank you for. Doing  the right thing. For us.  >> Thank you, Donna. Who's  next?  >> Louise Martin S.  >> Give good evening,  everybody. My name is Luis  Martinez. 400 palm drive rada  me and my family are ones of  the land that occasion. I  think it's very important that  you guys. Get through with  this and we don't keep getting  pushed back because me myself.  I gave up a property that was  in be passed to be able to  build with my father so I can  live here with my kids. So  this is very rough and me  giving up a property that was  already in the past has  learned that occasion. And  every time that I think we're  almost there. We get dumped we  get pushed back. So I would  really urge that we get.  Forward with this place. Thank  you guys.  >> who's next. Marni. Again  for the record on Horton them.  47 schooner Bay Road. You  know, since 1992, we filed the  role of the rules and since  incorporation. We follow the  rules. Folks have been sitting  in pens and needles hoping a  bubble themselves up to the  top feel like they're about to  get the shaft. That shift is  coming from one person,  mostly. And those who have  been promised the permits like  to Cabrera the other folks in  spoke and those that haven't  actually buddy Collins who's  been promised a permit.  Promised reservations promised  to be able to affordable  housing uses community need.  So I'm just asking you please  stop governing by crisis  maintain consistency and adopt  the distributions. Kate, thank  you. Thank you, Don. Who's  next, Marni.  >> I'm on zoom. We Mister  hawkers back. Go ahead. Mister  Hoecker got 3 minutes.  >> OK. Just checking can hear  you. Can you hear me OK.  >> Yes. Fantastic. So I had a  totally discussion prepared  earlier. It much in line  Donna's. Thank you very much  for doing the right thing.  >> Now, I just want to talk to  the about the previous  conversation that we had about  changing now that we're you  know, kind of at the finish  line moving the so warning  too. What would be just the  most expensive lot is. Not  only preposterous, it's just  downright offensive but toward  the most expensive lot. So we  save a buck or 2 here and  there maybe is just  ridiculous, especially when we  voted unanimously to go ahead  and do what is on the proposal  right now. Second thought.  Assigning value to lot. Keep  in mind that everyone we're  talking about here with the  land dedication. Putin to lot  not just one. So double the  value. If you're thinking  you're only going to get sued  for one. You're going to get  sued for too because now the  other lot utterly useless to.  It's going to happen either  way. You've got know how many  70 people on the list. 70  people are going to the  village for loss of use. And  you're trying to save. I don't  know what it might be a few  $100,000 mean you're talking  about a 50 million dollar  lawsuit. I would imagine. last  common here. We've had 3 or 4  years. Talk about and think  about and consider exactly  what Mark brought up earlier.  It's just it's the first time  thinking about it. That's a  little bit ridiculous because  the rest of villages been  talking about it literally  years. So I find it a little  bit odd. The timing of this  comes up out of the blue right  now. Without real apparent  reason. Hey, let's hit the  brakes again. Move the goal  post. Go back on doing what we  said we're going to do and  unanimously voted to do just a  couple of months ago. And, you  know, Henry is a great  champion. He said a few months  ago. It doesn't like changing  the rules. And here we are  just changing the rules. We've  always done exactly what it  says me ordinances. We've  always done exactly what we're  supposed to do. We kept  getting pushed the sideline  for no good reason, no one's  ever been able to explain to  me why that happened. And here  we are on the finish line and  all of a sudden the finish  line moves again, I think it's  preposterous. That's my $0.2  worth of my 3 minutes. Thank  you very much. Marni anybody  else. So that's it. I'm sorry  >> And Katie been watching  this circus as long as he was  going on. I have to side with  the people who don't want them  moved the goalpost we made  promises. We made  stipulations. They've done  everything they were supposed  to do and the time has come to  do the right thing. let's get  this done with tonight. So  enough to mess with it  anymore. And let's get let's  get some building going on  that these people have been  waiting for for years. And if  paid big money as far property  to the village. it's just  unconscionable to think about  going back at this point.  Thank you very much. Marni  anybody else.  >> Mister a.  >> Public comment is now  closed. All right. We have a  we have a motion on the floor  doing here. Second or not. All  right. That would with a for  lack of a second that motion  fails hear anything different.  >> It's want to make a comment  or 2 regarding some of the  statements made at the podium.  I think that Gillis said it  would be unfair. We're all  saying that. It's unfair to  move the goal post at the last  minute. I totally agree with  you. It is very unfair and I'm  suggesting being unfair. So I  want that to be clear. Donna  said that it done a very said  that it seems like I'm  sabotaging her. I agree that  it seems that way. If I were  her seat, I said I'd say the  same thing. That's not what  I'm trying to do. That's not  at all. It's very difficult to  sit here and. Promote an  unpopular position. And I  think, you know me well enough  that I normally don't do  things like that. I hope that  you would understand that for  me did to try to do that to  offer it to suggest it. I  should have a pretty good  reason. And the reason is I've  sat here for 20 years off and  on. I've seen. The pass slowly  glide down where it's at now.  And we're at the end and  suddenly the picture becomes  clear. The speaker that was on  the phone. You know, said, you  know, why do we need to do  this at the last minute. Well,  the last minute looks like  we're going to wreck. You  know, it's true that the lot  dedication people are putting  to lots up in place of one.  It's fantastic. I think  they're wonderful to do that.  I'm on their side. But I'm  also on the side of everybody  that lives here. And I see  from my standpoint having been  in court a time or 2. The  possibility of us paying out a  lot of money. We have a chance  here to to mitigate that  somewhat. If you follow my  suggestion. Those 5 people are  going to be very angry and  they will be treated unfairly  and there is a remedy for that  and it's a payment. So we have  a choice. We can we can pay  them. You can buy their  property or compensate them in  some way for that. And then  that will allow us to use our  resources more effectively,  more efficiently. 2 offset  what we know is liability for  those who are at the bottom of  the list are further down the  list and those who haven't  joined the list. That's what  I'm trying to do. I'll say on  camera. I apologize that this  comes at the last minute and  you feel like you're being.  Sabotage. That's not what I'm  trying to do. It is not  personal in any way. I don't  know you well enough good or  bad to have a personal.  Feeling for you that with  other than your nice people.  And you know that spoken word  on on the phone. Same everyone  else here. He's been in that  it's not personal. I just want  us to look at this from a not  personal perspective. What  we're facing. We have a bigger  problem. I'm suggesting one  way we can start to address,  trying to solve that. So. I  don't have anything else to I  have something else to say. I  appreciate your thoughts, but  I moved to approve this  wholeheartedly. And right now.  >> So, you know, here second?  So Marty, we've got a motion a  second to prove what junior  for. Read is that correct,  John. How Jennifer said.  >> With that with the  modification that was  requested one is that it's  evidence that section 4 to  change it to reflect 77 I I  so.  >> see make sure I want to go  group people that we approved  its last meeting. And I would  like them to be approved with  this follow my lead. Yes, I  will OK all right. So Marni,  we have a motion and we have a  second.  >> Would you call the roll,  please.  >> Vice mayor sure Mahoney.  Yes, council member Elizabeth  Dole and yes, councilmember  Mark Craig. Councilmember,  Rosenthal. And Mayor buddy  Pender. Yes, motion passes for  one.  >> Okay. We're going move on  to tab. 9.  >> is a resolution. village  Council of Iraq on the mobile  device. Florida accepting the  donation of a fire boat for my  llamada firefighters. Evelyn  Association. The proving a  donation agreement in  connection with the  acceptance. The fireboat  authorize a village managed  execute the donation agreement  providing for the finance  director to make the  appropriate changes to the  village financial statements  to reflect the acceptance of  the asset providing for the  fire chief to establish a  Marine based emergency  response program and providing  for an affected date.  >> Good evening. Council  again. This is a not the first  time you've heard this. This a  gap that we've identified in  our ability to respond out on  the water due to some change  of a paradigm shift with the  assets with the Coast Guard  and also with some funding  with fwc. They're just not as  plentiful as they used to be  before. So with that for the  past, probably 6 years I've  been trying to chase down  options to bring aboard. A  boat to facilitate helping out  a Marine calls. I'm having no  luck chasing I did  unfortunately have the  pleasure of meeting. Mister  June Smith was made aware of  her her fight to bring a  Marine emergency response  team. Program into Monroe  County. I also had the luxury  of meeting and having a few  meetings all the water  resources on the fire chiefs  throughout the county and  through the West Coast where  them are program is actually  started in very well in in the  door, stunned. Doing really  well met rep mellow. Mellow is  the district House rep for  that area for Collier County  and Charlotte and my belief  Lee. So she actually took it  upon herself. The last session  to go forward to chase this at  one of the meetings where we  were trying to coordinate on  how to bring this program. A  board. I was made aware of a  vessel that was taken out of  service from North Collier. It  being late in the budget  cycle. I knew I didn't have it  in the budget, then bring it  the last meeting before the  adoption was not the  appropriate time. So I chased  other avenues to secure the  asset knowing that if I  followed proper channels  waiting in rfp and all that  good stuff. We lost our  ability to change that asset.  So a lot of firefighters  Benevolent Association chase  down the boat force. It is  actually sitting at the marina  as we speak. We've done some  training with the Coast Guard  as we speak now currently  ocean Reef has a vessel and  Key West has a vessel. They  are in process of getting a  second vessel marathon has  retired sheriff's office  Nestle, but it does not have  the ability to carry patients  spider-man the back and it  does not have fire pump  capability. There is a county  wide effort to actually move  forward for the county to pick  up a voting marathon to pick  up an actual fire boat key  Largo, EMS and fire dip couple  and that will be coming back  to you later in July. This is  the actual dedication of the  2006 20. That's back there and  the establishment of a murky  program. We're going to use  that vessel as a stopgap until  we get a new vessel through  the appropriations Melo rep  Mooney fought so hard for us  through session this year.  that's about it. I mean,  everything else is in the  council communication. The  budget impact we've estimated  again going between. What I  from ocean from Key West. And  then polling about 5 or 6  other departments that have  like vessels program on the  West Coast. Again. There's  Collier County alone. I  believe early County alone.  There's 32 different vessels.  32 different departments. Some  of them are jetski some of my  little single tiller Zodiac  Can't compare what we're  putting on the water to those  why to those. I reached out to  the departments that have like  vessels like staffing stuff of  that nature figured out what  their impacts were kind of  average them all out so that  between staffing maintenance  fuel new equipment that we  need to procure loose  equipment insurance and all  feel expenses and everything.  The total annual is less than  about 50 grand a year is what  we've estimated that again  going off of what we know from  other departments that are  already doing it. We already  have 14 staff members that are  currently trained. The concept  is not to bring additional  personnel on as stands now,  when the assets are available,  we go to where the fwc or  Coast Guard boat is our crew  jumps on their boat. We  respond to calls.  Unfortunately that ability to  jump on the Coast Guard boat  or fwc vessel is a fleeting  hope lately. We had a call a  month and a half ago as an  hour and 10 minutes to get a  boat to a vessel. I could have  thrown a 3 ounce lead and hit  from the docks off Lorelei.  It's just not acceptable. One  week we can stop that gap. We  can close that gap and help  our community. So we have 14  members that are already  trained up commiserate with  the Coast Guard and all the  good stuff. We've taken the  National, of course. We're not  proposing full additional  staffing. We're going to  utilize the staff that is on  duty now. So we're not  creating new positions. I  think that's enough babbling  on my part. So I'm here if you  have any questions.  >> many questions for the Chi.  I no questions for you. So can  we open public comment Marni  any public comment for this.  >> We have no one signed up  hands raised zoom. Raise your  hand and. And that city.  >> I would just urge of vote  on this. This is plus plus  win, win. We've were a  waterfront community. We need  this and the price is right  and the research has been done  by the chief. And he assures  me we have plan in place for a  $300,000 grant for a new vote.  But that's long way down the  road. So this is a stop gap  measure, but it's a measure  that's with a good vote. And  he's already told you all the  ramifications of the the  research is done. So 5. thank  you.  >> Marni no other public  comment. We do have a hand  raised on zoom at the moment  from district. 82. District  82. Go ahead.  >> Hi. Good evening. This is  representative Lauren Melo.  thank you all so much for  taking the opportunity to  listen to chief able. I also  want to thank many of you for  coming up and seeing me and my  district office in  Tallahassee. And I just wanted  to take a moment. To let you  know that I am very supportive  what's chief able is  proposing. Thank you.  >> Thank you. It's really  that's it. We don't have any  more questions for chief. Do I  hear a motion to approve. So  moved. Okay. are second.  >> All right, Marty, we have a  motion and second, we call the  roll, please.  >> remember Rosenthal.  >> We did our already asked  that. But nobody said  anything. Okay.  >> Yeah, I feel like you have  that just I still have lots of  unanswered questions here. I'm  very concerned about this  figure of $50,000. And I.  >> I just find it hard to  believe that that will be the  cost operating this program.  And you know, and I never vote  against Firestone ever like I  can't wait to vote for your  new track coming down way.  But. It sounds to me like  we're initiating this like  we're the leaders here in  creating this program and what  I would like to see is some  real fleshing out of what this  brand new program looks like  in the county with our with  our fellow fire stations. And  I just don't see it. And maybe  it's not here and maybe that's  already in place like we all  know that they're going to be  boats up and down this Island  chain. I mean, he we just  listen to Richard Clarke tell  us it's impossible to run a  transit system and, you know,  112 miles. And I I just wish I  had more information here and  I do not want to be the person  to not vote for this, but. I  also. I I just wish there were  more information here.  >> So the summer program is  nothing Not recreating the  simply be in the spearhead of  the tip to my great. What  already is tried and true in  other departments in counties  throughout Florida. I'm moving  it to Monroe County because  the gaps been identified. not  recreating the wheel and I've  got letters of support County  wide of got letters of support  to a state and federal level.  I've got 30 letters. You  didn't see because I didn't  want to inundate your inbox or  the back of this agenda item  with or letters of support for  a stake in the point in trying  to run forward and bring this  reason you're seeing at first  for me is because I got a boat  sitting 300 yards from me as  we stand. They don't. They're  waiting on the appropriations  and they have to order the  boat. So I am ahead of the  curve. Luckily and I'm proud  be that person again, leading  the charge for for Monroe  County. But I'm not recreating  the wheel. And again, I've  I've the numbers I've pulled.  This is a pilot program for  all around and kind of for the  county as a whole. The numbers  that I provided you is what  the averages of like. I said,  5 or 6 other departments that  are already doing it. So.  >> So in a in this in this  pilot program, and these  questions come from questions  that I've had from other  people. So presumably we're  running a pilot program and  then we'll assess and see if  it's financially. You know,  fiscally responsible. And then  we can say, you know what, it  didn't work or it works. Yes.  So how to work? Well, I mean,  let's just.  >> It will work me.  >> I do. But I want to kind of  have this out on out in the  space so that we can talk  about. So that I can have a  good conversation with the  number of people who said like  Wait a minute, how how is this  going to house is going to  flush out. So is that fair to  say that. That this pilot  stage is is a pilot. So we're  going to see how it goes. And  so if we see in.  >> I guess it's you know,  whatever 6 months or 7 months  that this isn't this isn't  working and we wouldn't move  this forward is that how that  works?  >> We'll have to vet out of  that time. But I'm not worried  about it. Like I stated that  it's going to work. It's going  to be a good thing for our  community. We're going to help  other departments in this  County. Bring this forward  >> I trust that you believe  that. But what I'm what I'm. I  could just leave it at that. I  trust that you believe that  there's a letter from Monaco's  car.  >> That. so there's a letter  >> representative Mooney  deepest gratitude for  representative Melo.  >> You know what I'm looking  for is those letters from  other fire departments that  say we are actively initiating  a program so that when there's  on the water emergency at the  long he bridge. Then. Then we  have this interconnected  system so that so that that  person can be attended to,  right. Because if. Because  that's what makes sense in  this in this Island chain.  Right. so are those letters  that I'm not seeing their  letters and your agenda packet  from key Largo EMS ocean Reef.  >> Work Association, marathon.  Fire, rescue and Monroe County  fire rescue as well. Keep in  mind, they're not up to where  we're at yet they still have  to wait for the appropriations  in order the boat. So when  they get to that point, we're  all going to share information  with the appropriations coming  on boats, specs and all that.  Keep in mind what works for  ocean Reef will work for CA  Joe.  >> The demographics in the  water just different down  there. So they'll need a  different vote for their  response down there. So we're  we're looking at multiple  options for for boats and  specifications that will fit  the demographics of that area  then they'll be begging me to  go over what John quick and  his company is already  reviewed to make sure their  sound stop so that we can move  forward make this happen.  >> So what I think is lizabeth  dismissing a sort of what I  what was also missing a noun  hearing. You talk. I did not  know that you have spent time  with other. Organizations who  do this on the water as well.  And so that's probably what  guessing. She's missing  because I was wondering, do we  work with key Largo. Do we  work with those reefs. You  guys like the boat you have is  not capable of going up Flat.  I know that. So do they have a  boat that can can we work  together. That's what I think.  I'm looking for that. You have  done. The research the time  spent with municipalities in  our area that I'm doing this  as well. It we can build sort  of like the transit with  Richard is build a better  system. Once we all get on  board is that basically direct  of coordinated with every  department down here of also  when I had that em training on  the West Coast.  >> On the way back from there.  I stopped by 3 other  departments on the West Coast  to tours of their boats went  out with them. You know of  pick their brains of talk to  multiple chiefs. I'm like,  hey, what works, what doesn't?  Because if they screwed up,  I'm going to learn from their  mess up. I'm not going to do  it again here. So you know  what works, what doesn't if it  doesn't work, I'm not going to  try it. He didn't you. There's  a chief became nears vote do  either Collier.  >> Early County from Fort  Myers is the chief of useppa  Island. So his entire  department works off of 2  books. It that's the Kevin  Anderson for Fort Myers. They  got multiple boats over there.  What you're talking about Sir.  Okay. I so we've got we've got  a motion and we've got a  second learning. Would you  call the roll, please.  >> Councilmember Mark Craig.  Yes. Council member Henry  Rosenthal. council member  Elizabeth Vice mayor sure  Mahoney us and Mayor buddy and  yes, motion passes 5, 0,  >> Thank you. Mayor. Council  June. We got there. Thank you.  G.  >> Okay. So let's see. Here we  are on tap  >> Actually, there's there's a  motion before tapped and it's  not a tab. requests from from  the clerk motion to amend the  November village Council  meeting schedule to hold the  regular village Council  meeting on November 19th 2024  and the land-use Council  meeting on November 21st 2024.  >> All right. Let me You know  what I did look at my thing. I  was just going off And If I  could just ask your why got  pulled right.  >> That's correct. you guys  previously move that to the  Thursday meeting.  >> is the effect of this  motion to allow the county new  Council that will be seated  after the election to have  some time to be. I committed  to their new Senate. I mean,  their new Yeah. I was going to  turn over the money. But the  intent was to have turn over  mine without.  >> Yes, the intent is to have  the new Council be able to  take their seats after the  election is certified. So we  will be doing our Council  orientation at some point  between election day and that  first meeting.  >> So what is election day  tight election day is Tuesday.  November 5th.  >> The election is certified  10 days later the Friday, the  November 15th at about 4.30  after the supervisor of  elections is have 10 days to  get in any additional overseas  ballots and tabulate them.  It's my recollection that.  >> The new Council officially  takes over the moment they are  sworn in. Is that I off base  there. It can't get sworn in  until when December John, our  charter says no, no. That's  the December one is is the  election of the mayor. So they  can get sworn in once election  results are certified.  >> And then our charter when  it talks about the election,  the mayor, the vice-mayor  effectively puts it into  December because it says it's  the first Tuesday, the first  regular meeting after the 4th  Tuesday of November, something  like that. I just want to know  for those who are not running  for re-election.  >> When they might be  off-duty. What day it would be  effective. This would would  make October unless there are  special Council meetings in  between that were added the  effect of this would make the  October regular Council  meetings.  >> Your last meetings that  there's anyone who's not  running.  >> Unlike early releases that  we're talking about.  >> Correct, although you would  still not be able to talk to  each other about village  business because you would  technically still be on the  council until your successor  That's what I thought. Thank  you. So.  >> Public have anybody signed  up for public comment. Marni  for No, but let me check zoom.  No, we do. All right. So with  that public comment is now  closed Council. Any further.  Any discussion. There's no  further discussion. Do I hear  a motion. They are second. All  right. Marni, we have a motion  and second, could you call the  roll, please.  >> Councilmember Mark, right.  Yes, please. Council member  Rosenthal. Council member  Elizabeth Dolan, vice mayor  sure Mahoney. Yes, and their  buddy Pender. Yes, motion  passes 5, thank you.  >> Okay. Now we're on the tab.  Yeah. November 19th and 21st.  >> November. November and the  21st. Okay. chief. You're back  again. So quit is John need to  read the resolution. I was on  a resolution, just a motion,  but it's a motion request for  authorization.  >> For manager enter into a  letter of intent for the  purchase of a 2025  Freightliner and 2 plus a cab  and chassis.  >> So again, as as John just  signing a letter of intent  with ETR emergency technical  rescues. That's who we procure  are rescues from. We operate  out of 3 stations here. proper  lower. Matt. We typically have  a reserve trucking case. One  of the trucks goes down for  maintenance or do breakage.  For whatever reason we're  currently in our reserve truck  and our frontline truck for  here in plantation. Key is  actually dead. It is got some  serious motor talking to our  mechanic and talking to some  diesel mechanics up the road.  The repair bill for maybe  fixes starting at 30 could top  out as high as 70. That's not  the fiscally responsible thing  to do. So we're taking that  truck out of service. What  we're going to do is order a  chassis. That's the letter of  intent that you guys see in  front of you. The reason we  need that with the weird  timing is because if we get  the letter of intent before  the 15th, then we can put our  order in and have it built in  the first 3 months of calendar  year, 25. Once we get the  chassis and built from  Freightliner. We will flatbed  are broke down rescue up to  Sanford, which is where the Tr  is. They will pull the box off  of the back of the broke down  a trashy drop it on the new  truck. Give it a Polish escort  new paint job updated and all  that good stuff. We save about  a year, year and a half on  bill time. And we also save  about $200,000. I would love  to do this all the time.  Typically we're utilizing all  of our rescues at all the  time. Unfortunately, this one  is broke. So it gives us this  unfortunate option to try to  utilize this cost savings and  time savings ability. That  being said, we currently do  not have a backup reserve  truck. So I have a verbal  agreement with the chief of  key Largo and with the chief a  marathon. So something goes  down for a long term. More  than more than a few hours for  maintenance or an oil change  or something that I can borrow  one of their trucks. So if you  happen to see marathon black  and green or a key Largo.  White fire truck running  lights and sirens in the  village. It might be because  one of my trucks,  unfortunately has gone down  Pull that favor with another  chief throughout the county.  So.  >> Who chief, I just have a  crazy question. But can you,  you know, like. can write  garbage trucks are taken  specialty trucks. Is there  anything in the field. If we  had an emergency that we could  rent something for 6 months or  not really.  >> Not really what what they  would be a truck that they  purchase from another  department it they bought a  new one. So they traded one in  or something of that nature.  They don't really like to do  the whole rental plan. It's a  pain. With all the the  licensing with Department of  Health and all that for the  shoeless licensing and all  that good stuff. It's it's all  right. That's more more  loopholes that you really want  to jump through getting out of  box. So I trust me. I thought  of that. And I thought of  buying  >> One off the Internet. Find  find a rescue. But then I'm  like I'm wasting money. One. I  can Rob Peter to pay Paul  steal something from key Largo  for the day or a marathon. So.  Council, any other questions?  Are needed are already asked  for public comment.  >> I did not. But we don't  have any. Okay.  >> Alright public comment is  on our clothes. Do I hear a  motion All right. We've got a  motion a second. All the role,  please Marni. I'm sorry, was  listening to chief who who  made the Henri made a  councilman Greg second, thank  you.  >> Hey, councilmember, Hunter  Rosenthal. Councilmember Mark  Craig. Yes, council member  Elizabeth jolon. Yes, vice  mayor sure Mahoney and Mayor  buddy under yes. Motion passes  5, thank you.  >> We welcome chief mayor and  Council just Marin comes just  as a reminder, there's only  one item that's being  continued to Thursday. That's  tab. Why I will be Thursday  May 9th at 05:30PM here at  founders Park community center  at 8700 overseas highway.  >> Okay. So if we have not  anything further is let's go  home. Okay. You can. Yeah. All  right. meeting adjourned and  hot. And are you want go home.