David do here Mar Mor here Nicholas Andrews Colleen white here Justin lurman Justin Henderson pres de Co here and we do thank youel Commissioners um do you want to consider the the minutes of March 25th 2024 anyos changes motion motion to approve second all in favor please indicate by saying I I any post motion carries thank you everyone do we have any correspondence yes we have thank you do any of my fellow Commissioners have any Communications tocl do you have any old business no old business okay then let's begin with new bus pc54 through the chair this is p0524 it is a conditionally used application for a property located at 1300 Beach Boulevard it's a conditioned use application for outdoor restaurant seating at an existing restaurant for a property located in the commercial General C2 zoning District Pursuit section 34 343d 14 of Land Development code the subject property is an existing restaurant location located in theer general C2 zoning District the subject property is located in a unit on at at the 1200 Beach Boulevard building uh with the specific address of 1300 Beach Boulevard the shopping center is located between Beach Boulevard to the North shedar Avenue to the South Penman Road to the west and 12th Street South to the east the subject site is part of large commercial Center that occupies uh one tenant space which includes a large outdoor patio site was most recently the location of mini bar Donuts currently the site is occupied by the new taco restaurant Talking Taco the site um being a portion of the larger shopping center has adequate parking as each tenant space was calculated and accounted for in the overall parking design the proposed outside seating will be in the existing Courtyard uh which is flush with the permanent facade of the main structure and pack parking or pedestrian access the site is uh site the surrounding uses of the shopping center include the city owned green space with the entrance sign uh and the city owned Cemetery uh and a commercial propane facility to the west across Penman Road uh a commercial Car Wash multiple office spaces and several restaurants and another commercial uses across wheat Boulevard to the north uh a city park multif family industrial storage to the South across shedar and office based and commercial retail including an automotive repair facility to the east across 12,000 sou the proposed use will not negatively impact the surrounding uses and is not inconsistent with the Jackson Beach Land Development code based on the proed application and Analysis stated in this report the Planning and Development Department recommends approval of PC 0524 any questions for set i' just like to um let members of the public know kind of how we how we do it here um the Planning Commission bases it decisions on confidence substantial evidence including testimony provided in the meeting any person who's not an applicant or agent that wishes to speak will need to fill out a speaker card located on the side table by the door and turn them into the clerk um it is our practice that regardless of the type of issue we are asked to decide upon each member of the public has given minutes to speak on each item um please refrain from speaking out from the audience applauding groing Etc as we try to ensure an atmosphere where every everyone listening or in attendance is comfortable and please silence your C with that would like to come forward this war and how you doing this afternoon please raise your right hand and see address 139 joh North Jacksonville Florida S 8 building two La Building Services do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God yes I do thank you to the chair I just want to say guys thank you guys for support Mr application talk and talk the different platform coming into the State of Florida right now it's a Hot Topic this not the first one here this one in Jacksonville also then this is the second one in Jack Beach so hope we can move forward and do have show the that we do have compliance whatever they want us to do and every back can have some fun and talk and talk about thank you sir do we have any questions for the thank you very much thank you is there any discussion I do have a question um Christian so that courtyard where Minar was were they not do for that allowed to do that already and then new place comes in has to get done for it as well um I don't know that uh mini bar ever did go through that process because they really just had a couple of seats and like outdoor games there they didn't really use it for outside much okay I'm assuming there'll be some sort of they go with normal noise restrictions with that you know can't have a b playing out Courtyard right yeah that would be something they' have to apply for if they want an extended hours or outside nonamplified music it's a separate process through the police department just wondering like you know the next T that goes in there it's the same are they asking the same permission for the same space when it's I mean it's an enclosed area that's kind of seems to be part of their leas property anyway it's just yeah unfortunately the way the code reads they're nontransferable so every time the uh applicant comes in they have to get approval as they change and and you know depending on the restaurant the amount of usage and things like that might be different so there might be a reason that makes sense but that's the way the code is written so each new tenant has to come in have a question yes Mr do you have a copy of um David Smith's email uh yes what do you make of that uh I think that pertains to the next item there you go I'm all over but we can definitely discuss that the next thank motion to approve second please indicate by by saying I any post sir your application has been approved thank you the roll Callies uh David do yes colen Colleen M yes Justin Henderson yes T CL yes Mar Mor yes okay may we proceed to the next item please yeah I think you just put defin wants to speak one correct sorry about that um so this is application PC 0424 a request for rezoning from Redevelopment district and Central business district to Redevelopment District sorry um so the property is located at 6021 Street North 123 5th AV North 129 5th Avenue North and 135 5th Avenue North the request is to reone the property which is currently Zone Central business district and Redevelopment District to Redevelopment District totally to allow for the Redevelopment of the property into a mixed use commercial development you may recognize part of this property uh that's I don't that's sideways sorry um as the existing mangoes facility and then it will be the three properties to the west of that which are currently multi family which in this case is down um the subject property is currently partially occupied by the mangoes Beach Bar while the remainder to the West is occupied by several multi family structures in a small office space the propos the propert has uh split zoning with the Western portion used for multif family and his own Central business district while the Eastern portion is currently in the Redevelopment zoning District the current Rd zoning uh is for the portion where mangoes is located the previous Rd zoning District was created in 2014 and was intended to be the home of Surfer the bar Surfer has since located uh to the corner of First Street North and 1 Avenue North in the past three years mango has uh been working on improving the building uh that they are currently in with the intention uh with internal renovations to provide better bathroom space and better traffic flow for customers the current Rd zoning is tied to a very specific site plan set of uses and this has limited the options for mango for external uh Renovations and expansion of the current envelope uh the first reason for the resoning of this request is to allow mangoes to expand their outside footprint the owners plan to add an additional addition to the north um of the current structure to accommodate a new mint's restroom as well expansion of the outside patio covered area to the South and to the east basically to wrap around the building under the proposed site plan the Western portion of the property between mangoes and Second Street North would be fully redeveloped removing the existing multif family structures and building a new mixed structure with a smaller first floor footprint and a larger upstairs the design would allow uh commercial retail spaces on the first floor and new restaurant spaces upstairs with large outdoor seating areas on the second floor the site also plans uh to address traffic circulation and parking adequate parking to meet the required parking requirements per the LDC we provided on site and new traffic circulation pattern will be constructed to limit traffic uh to and from First Street North and predominantly a predominantly pedestrian oriented Street and make the current driveway on First Street a one way in only access most traffic will enter and exit through Fifth Avenue North and Second Street North as encouraged by the CBD District design standards Landscaping will be a mix of normal planted landscaping and urban ped Landscaping as is an option allow in cvd standards the proposed uses outlin in the written description would include a majority of the permitted uses and conditional uses currently allowed in the CD zoning District but all uses would be permitted uh and no and would not require any conditional use approval but rather the approval of the Rd zoning request was Serv as and approval um there are a number of specifically prohibited uses as well and these are proposed pred uses are those that would would be substantially incompatible with the surrounding area and are not intended for the downtown commercial uh core at large um we have found that the proposed resoning request meets the standards of section 34211 c as well as the section 34 347 I for the preliminary development plan um we also found that the proposed resoning is consistent with the um existing comprehensive plan as outlining the policy for from the report additionally uh the CRA um coordinator found the proposed Redevelopment project serves uh to meet the following objectives of the Downtown Development uh plan which is to eliminate conditions of BL prevent spread of conditions encourage the core downtown area to develop as a center for cultural entertainment and community activities within increase the tax spas in the community redevelopment area to assist with financial or financing Public public actions to support development encouraging the recreation of compact mixed use core areas oriented to recre uh Recreation Recreation entertainment and Specialty retail tourism and housing and to encourage the development of mixed use activities in the core area including residential retail hotel and office the um staff is recommending approval the uh community redevelopment agency met earlier today they recommended approval with a condition that the um and again this is a recommended commission go to council that the portion um of mangoes that faces First Street would be more um pedestrian friendly so potentially more Landscaping um and other things to address that pedestrian cor and make it less St um there are some Provisions in the CBD zoning to how a new construction would address that Corridor but since they're not removing the mangoes building this is an attempt to address that kind of blank space in the corridor with uh things that they can do without building new structure I have a question for Mr Commissioners anyone else does okay um I just wondered I I actually not enjo our current comprehensive you should mention that um but I I did take a look at it um from the housing perspective and the loss of some housing stock I thought was signicant to say that it be you know something that we consider and went in another Direction um but the the closest policy I could find was policy h161 City shall promote the conservation and Rehabilitation of existing housing as a means of maintaining or improving residential conditions and reducing the waste of valuable resources um so Mr can you give us um some ideas of why um and I understand that's very very poliy why is um I would say that that policy is generally applied Citywide and uh there are other Provisions in the comp plan that encourage commercial um spaces to congregate in the downtown as well as uh to put commercial in commercial categories as opposed to some of our mixed use like um what's it called sorry uh multif family districts allow limited amounts of commercial as do some of the single family districts so my take would be that it's been the priority of council as well as um the CRA to promote commercial development in the downtown and make it a more commercial oriented area as the policies in the Redevelopment plan so I think the greater goal at this point related to downtown is that would be want your commercial properties for local residents and tourists as opposed to uh in the outskirts and other areas so I don't know that the net loss of six housing US housing units outweighs the benefit of new commercial in that area okay I just wanted to have something discuss have question the alcohol comment in Mr Smith's next to the last sentence par from the have that discussion or is this this would be a question about the planning report so I'll hold it if you want I can address it really quickly so it does yeah the the exting mangoes facility doesn't meet the current alcohol separation requirements and it's an existing use so we wouldn't Force compliance with that because that would require in essence relocating the building so because they're doing the resoning they just want to uh codify that that building is currently exempt from that because right now it's a legal nonconformity but it's technically something that's out there if they should close for 6 months for some reason for Innovations or something they wouldn't be allowed to reopen because of the existence of that separation thank you any further questions on the planing report none with the please come forward to sworn in and give any presentation I'm W and Dean my address is 131 River Place bort l s 1500 I'm an attorney representing the applicant who is here Mr s is here as well for questions that's swearing in is an attorney please raise your right hand and state your name and address W 31 replace Boulevard s 1500 do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth so hope you go I do thank you thank you so thank you um I'm going to defer in great measure to your expert staff report you've got fantastic data and Analysis in there that supports uh that goes through all the shows how this project um complies with it I I will just make a few um observations the um with respect to your question Madam chair the the three existing structures that are going to be amortized they are one of them is although it has the the fabric of a of a multif family structure it's already been converted to a commercial office use and then the the other two are older smaller multif family structures and I and I'm sure that there is um more of an emphasis on preserving that stock in the smaller beachfront community than there would be you know in the city of Jacksonville and I understand that and when it's being advertised for this but this this is where you would want commercial infill Redevelopment to go and um I submit the the taxable value of those two multif family structures is probably below you know the first the the exemp value um I'm not sure how much revenue the city is getting off of those two structures because of their their small their small size and their and their older character and then again on the back side this is an entire block between first and second fifth and sixth the entire North half of this block that front six is a retail strip center today so I would submit that those two single family multif family structures are really kind of Remnant artifact and and this is is your staff coming and this is the kind of info Redevelopment that that this city has put in place policies and and vision planning to try and get to to go in here as Community amenities um I I suspect so I was at the CRA meeting earlier this afternoon and I heard um extensive comments from the from the other person who I suspect is going to speak much of that of his comments focused on process arguments around whether certain procedural um specifications in your code were being complied with uh there was an extended discussion with your Council and your staff and among the C board members and and they move forward with the unanimous approval so in the event that you hear that again uh for three minutes uh I would just give you that that background otherwise um we're available for questions uh if if um there's something that we feel like we might want to reut i' appreciate your consideration of that but otherwise you got data in analysis and the record I didn't hear any today at CRA that's going to undercut that thank you do we have any questions right now for the now open the public please raise your right hand and SE your name and address state your name and address oh I'm sorry David Smith 130 5th Avenue North we're on ad joining property to the propos development and we're an effective part do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God yes ma'am thank you can I go yes sir can I again my name and address we are joining property owners and residents of the adjoining property our property received and approved development order is ospreay Court the residential mix development according to the residential Villages land use of the 1987 Redevelopment plan I got the wrong application number on here I'd like to correct that the application for PC 2404 is that right thank you is not in compliance with the comprehensive policy Lu 1.3.3 which states the city shall support and encourage Redevelopment of the core downtown area that area with Central business district CD zoning District boundaries in accordance with the Downtown Vision plan and rest of it you can read yourself I'm going to save some time according to the Redevelopment agency contracted attorney Clifford B Shepard the Redevelopment objectives section in the original plan is still effective in those are the uh objectives that you just heard or in the staff report but secondary to the objectives laid out in the vision plan Vision plan objective ensure enforcement of alcohol ordinance compliance through regular checks and enforcement details the application re requests exemption from the alcohol ordinance compliance does not meet the objective of the vision plan to ensure compliance with our alcohol ordinances and therefore is not in compliance with the associated comprehensive plan policy Lu 1.3.3 what our concern is the way that it's written bars would be a permitted use over the entire property it says that bars are a permitted use for this Redevelopment District so if something unfortunate would happen to Greg and he had to sell this thing a new developer could come down tear the whole thing apart build a three-story bar and the Planning Commission or the council would have no say it was we go to the um planning department and to answer your question quickly if I may about the residential use if this thing's approved it becomes part of the Redevelopment plan by our comprehensive plan so then a development order that says tear down affordable housing which is what that is becomes part of the plan Florida statute requires just did you give me 30 more seconds I'm asking you thank you Florida statute requires that if you are eliminating affordable housing in your Redevelopment plan you have to propose a replacement and that's not been done thank you appreciate extra time do we have discussion I have some questions so just clarifying it for me because I'm I the short us here but so we're taking down three twostory multi-unit complex we're putting up a shopping center of sorts with um mixed use commercial residential right no res no residential so all commercial um are we put what are we putting in their bars and restaurants so this shows the Western half of the property mangoes is not on this but so what you're looking at is the new build and there'll be two buildings uh that are each twostory uh so what you're seeing is on the right hand side of this is the ground floor plan VI and then on the left hand side is the Second Story plan view so they will stack so the the plan is the ground floor of these two new buildings will be um office or retail okay and then um some some backup house with a restaurant like a cooler um ancillary loading the loading areas and then the second story will be one continuous story and it will have uh restaurant uses both inside and outside SE that's the plan of development for the West half of the property where the new build will go okay and then CHR So reading this right so the plan is we change it from current Z to Redevelopment so then they don't have to necessarily keep going back for rooftop seting outdoor dining all that then automatically becomes a correct yeah it would be similar to what was proposed with the um Gallery project and at that time the um neighbors across the street had some requests for how that was oriented and where the outside seating could be that kind of thing so um you can certainly you know condition it in that regard or suggest conditions if you'd like um but uh yeah the intent is to be um you know part of that commercial core um I will say that uh just a couple comments real quick since we're on the subject um the CRA the agency um are the FKS that uh administer that plan and they thought that this was in keeping with that plan um the Rd designation is tied to the site plan so if they did want to do something completely different not build this building knock down mangoes and put in one very large bar they would have to come back through this process because the Rd resoning ties them to the site plan unlike a traditional zoning so there is some protection there and then as you guys know there are only a limited number of quota spaces allowed in the entire city they're all taken up so anything that goes in here that once to serve alcohol must be a legitimate restaurant to be able to get a alcohol license to serve full alcohol so there are some Protections in place in that way so I KN in the report it said that they had enough parking yeah so the the project will have multiple uses in our um Land Development code if you have three or more commercial uses you get a shopping center designation um mangoes itself currently doesn't meet our parking standard because bars have an exceptionally High parking standard but uh the building's very small and this will provide a lot more additional parking so in combination it really provides more parking than they have anyway and uh they're going to do some work with the one of the lanes that goes underneath the building will actually be a valet space so that we valet parking in addition to that I have a question what is there a plan for the type of restaurant that's going in there it's indoor outdoor seating I don't know they or not please raise your right hand state your name and address Greg s 14 to First Street do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to hope you got yes I do thank you okay um I get to answer your question um in the process that we're at right now in the development I had the whole restaurant designed and uh waiting to see the uh progress through the hearings but that the goal of the type of restaurant be a higher end um Coastal restaurant I've been in the hospitality business for 30 years in Jacksonville started haries downtown and I owned saltlife and various other restaurants and three or four in St Augustine as well so it would be built and uh operated uh with high quality standards as as expected and and uh I would say um similar fashion in like like oku and waka's build out that kind of helps you get a little idea of the the level of niess inside any more questions thank you sir okay I I probably should have said sooner if there's anyone else in the audience who' like to address us you can f part after you address us I'm not seeing I just wanted to make so is there further discussion motion to approve just as a reminder you guys are making a recommendation so this will go to council after the scripture readings as well so does that mean we're doing a roll call vote oring I would still do a we have motion to approve is there a second you have a roll call please coling wife no David doll yes Justin Henderson yes daddy Cole yes Mar Mor yes application has been approved we go on to [Music] pc6 good evening Commissioners it's good to see you again Heather Ireland Planning Development Department um we're not going to go into a whole bunch of detail tonight because we have had so many workshops uh so many opportunities for input so we're we're not going to get into details unless you have questions about stuff which our Consultants are here Christian and I we've all been part of this process since 2002 um got a list of all the workshops that we have had since then in case it comes up uh but essentially we're we're finally to the point where we are ready to transmit our draft comprehensive plan for 2050 to the state for their review um and consideration and do I expect to get a few comments back probably um but I think all in all we've taken all the concerns and issues and and desires of the community that we heard at all these workshops and all the things that happened before that and I think um that what we've provided is is a updated plan that meets statute meets all the community goals the vision the mission and the Strategic plan that Council uh has provided for the community so I'm not going to stand up here and talk all night but I am going to uh turn it over to Blair and Sophie from kimley horn we're just going to kind of cover a little bit of information with you and then we do Q&A uh all night but not too late yeah it's a little nice to see you all thank okay so where are we we're getting there we're close right so this is the adoption we're hoping y all agree we're finally at a point where we can at least send it to the state and get their comments um this is the comp plan we still have the LDC to do that's the nitty-gritty right um so we're really excited to get that moving we've been working behind the scenes to do a lot of up based on a lot of the workshops uh but we're going to move forward while we wait for the state to review and all of that we are going to continue with the LDC workshops so that'll be next so stay put stay put for that so project kickoff we started the website in 2023 we had 2023 workshops we had um workshops with the citizens workshop with the boards workshops with the business owners workshops with city council staff workshops and we did specific topic workshops with city council because there's some hot button items parking standards supplemental standards and District standards that we wanted to talk to them about and then we did another round of he of workshops and yeah 2022 and 2023 uh so we did citizen Workshop business Workshop board workshops and city council workshops again so we went two rounds and um now we're here to do the draft plan so the next would be we get back the plan from the state and hopefully we final we have final approval which would be great May 6th that's the the goal um and then that's for City counil and then it goes to the state and um for the back and then hopefully there's not a lot of comments and then we'll make any comments that they have and um typically it doesn't have to go back to Planning Commission after um the adoption but you know we can discuss how that works but um The Next Step would be the the final so essentially what we did was these are the main changes we did to the comprehensive plan and it's really overarching um switched from goals to strategies intent and Visions um we updated the future land use element um we talked a lot about like updating the land uses because there weren't any defin if you remember there weren't any actual like what can you do in these land use categories um we added other like mixed use land use category talked about the local act uh we updated the transportation element the housing element we we uh added language we wanted to make sure we talked about the missing middle we added a whole definition section because that was a really great suggestion I think your board suggested that um we added updated language for the public facilities then we merged the two conservation and Coastal management elements and then we added um level of standards for recreation for the city we didn't have that before so that was a big deal um and we definely made sure we talked about pickle ball courts and then we just really updated a lot of outdated references and then we added the histor preservation element so uh essentially we've seen this before we added a lot of the suggested changes y all had and um I'm here if you guys have any questions do have question all that but I wanted to make sure that's why we're here you know we we Ved it we're pretty good we're happy with it so and it was mostly an update it was not a Rite right so we were just updating make sure it was you know accurate it had updated references and it really was the times I'll sit down any questions do we have anything to discuss any questions to approve second please Colleen white yes David do yes Justin Henderson yes deie Cole yes Marco Mor yesc am I'm more excited about like making it actually look good inad black and white document in here just about three years and it's the first thing Margo said to me is when are we doing the comp go if I may chair like mentioned we're going to set up a whole another round of workshops to dig into if you use the word nitty-gritty of the LDC we've already talked about a lot of it so this next round of workshops we'll really be presenting to the boards and the community and eventually Council what our recommendations are and know we talked about them a lot but we're going to actually like show them to you on paper next so hopefully like she said if it all lines up while the state's reviewing after we get their comments back let's say they have none and we have we have 180 days to adopt so that's 6 months for us to hammer down the the stuff in the L development code so and and the comp plan will be a lot prettier they've really worked up some really pretty Graphics to kind of go along with it so um thank you all for your participation in all the workshops I know it was a lot of work we still have a lot more work to do but we really appreciate everyone coming to those meetings please keep coming to them the workshops that we have we really value all of your input you all the other boards Council and the communi so just want to thank you personally for being there thank you for all your work uh may we have the planing Department report please uh you have your next meeting scheduled for May 13th I'm pretty sure we have items for that but I will certainly let you know if we don't um but I'm pretty sure we've already got have something so that's all discussion