##VIDEO ID:rfxeRCQpavY## stom here commissioner Delaney commissioner four here commissioner May here executive director Kito here commission attorney beard okay uh and for the record u i excused uh commission attorney Tom B from attending tonight so we will not be attending and I don't know the status of commissioner Delaney uh with that um we have any citizen comments no mayor seeing none um we have before us the minutes of the April 16th CRA meeting I don't see any corrections on the Das if there are none I'll take a motion in a second to approve the minutes motion to approve second Motion in a second all in favor signify by saying I I motion carries unanimously um moving on to the regular agenda I guess the first item uh can I get a motion um in a second to approve the crra meeting for Tuesday September 3rd at 6:30 p.m. motion to approve second motion is second all in favor signify by saying I I I motion carries unanimously moving on to regular agenda item three review of the CRA operating budget and Community investment program for fiscal years 2025 through actually to 2029 right and um I'll turn it over to staff thank you Mr chairman and commission uh good evening uh Scott Reynolds I'm the finance director for the town uh as you just indicated we're here this evening to have our budget workshop for the CRA uh and talk about the fiscal year 25 and also 25 through 29 CIP about the operating budget itself so for the um CRA the the the tax increment increases and decreases um we've we've seen a $473 million or uh uh or I'm sorry we saw an increase from 473 million to 515 million uh in the tax increment uh going into fy2 that's a $42 million increase and approximately 879 of that uh is attributable to new construction uh the rest of it has to do with the values uh within the district increasing uh within FY 25 uh that's what we want to see we want to see those uh values continue to to escalate uh going forward that's the whole point of having the CRA District uh and the improvements that we do within the district um uh what's being proposed in the operating budget some of the items uh are driven by the commission uh such as the community events that they the commission has indicated they'd like to see staff is proposing uh $40,000 uh for those community events next year also holiday decorations I know the commission made it a point that uh they wanted to see uh decorations within the inlet Village uh during the holiday season uh so we do have decoration uh cost within the operating budget um I will tell you John and Stephanie also or the uh pnz staff is looking to do an internship for next year uh that's definitely a good point uh to do that now that we have a CRA plan that's going to be coming before the commission here very shortly uh an intern would have an opportunity to be able to see how that plan is implemented uh in the working of that plan so that's definitely a a good investment also the holiday boat parade that's an annual event that we do uh we participate in the fireworks and then the uh the continued CR a plan I will say that uh we're in the last stages of of finishing that plan for presentation to the commission uh it should be done here very shortly none of those elements will be included in the presentation that you see this evening but ultimately when the plan is adopted by the by the commission uh we will uh incorporate those elements within the within the plan so uh but we do uh are programming some operating expenditures for the regional planning Council for next year uh to continue on with the plan and also help during implementation so uh there's some funding in there for that and we also have uh CIP CIP projects so there's some updated projects there's also one new one uh We've updated uh for the Riverwalk gravity wall uh if you've looked in your Friday report uh you can see that that project is nearing an end uh and being completed uh where there was actually a vessel that had uh hit the uh gravity wall and needed repair now it's on uh how to uh prevent that from happening again in the future uh so there's been some funds that have been added uh to help create a Oyster Bed uh to help deter uh any future vessels from hitting that wall uh also the continue on with the Riverwalk uh living Shoreline stabilization uh you've heard Stephanie and and her staff talk about that uh that's the continuing on of that ongoing prog program along the Riverwalk and then a new program or a new CIP for this year is the Pet Place Park uh the new CIP for construction of the passive Park uh and connecting of the Riverwalk we'll talk about that this evening a little bit more in detail so looking at in summary uh for the proposed fy4 fy2 budget uh as you just indicated uh that that it is a 5-year plan looking forward but uh what you're actually being asked to adopt is the uh FY 25 uh uh budget you can see that the the plan is funded uh from County millage of 4.5 Ms and the town millage that's being proposed of 23894 a total of $3.3 million uh is uh coming in from abor taxes to help fund the plan an increase of $273,000 in taxes over the fy2 24 amount for the CIP portion uh again we uh just pointed out a few of those uh items that that uh uh make up the the uh proposed investment plan uh we do have some that are coming to an end uh which is the uh the um Jupiter Beach Road A1A uh program if you've been out there the roundabout is is uh nearing completion um and also the love Street sidewalk is in in the works as well uh a number of projects that will be uh closed out this upcoming year uh these Legacy projects so you see the carry forward dollars there uh they will be completed in the upcoming fiscal year so we just spoke a little bit about the uh gravity wall repairs again uh wanted to indicate that uh the the the gravity wall uh will be uh completed and then what we're going to be focusing on with the funding that we've placed into the CIP uh going forward will be more for uh mitigation purposes uh and to to block from vessels from being able to hit that wall in the future and we're taking a uh provide a nature-based strategy uh for stabilization along that wall the Riverwalk Shoreline stabilization we we've talked about that over the last couple of years this is the continuing on of this program uh this is the living Shoreline in uh implementing and also helps stabilize the the the river uh I know a number of boers that uh including myself that go along there we've seen the erosion that's occurring from the uh uh the wave action that occurs there uh so we're continuing on with trying to stabilize those shorelines along the Riverwalk and the uh the community investment plan for the P Place Park uh you saw that with the uh fire station that's going in at P place we talked about the park uh when that came before before you in relation to the uh Planning and Zoning element uh but uh it's I'm gonna I'm I'll tell you what I'm gonna I'm going to ask Stephanie to come up and kind of talk about the the new plan and uh or the CIP and what's being proposed in the CIP for next couple years years good evening can you see me um So the plan was shown on the Stephanie thurn assistant director of Planning and Zoning the plan that U Mr Reynolds is referring to is relative to the Pet Place site plan that you saw last month and it was specifically sheet SP2 and SP2 was very conceptual um so if we want to bring that back to the CRA to have a a more further discussion about the uses because it is a strategic priority but the the conceptual plan merely showed um a Riverwalk connector that could connect along remember we we're being programmed by fdot to do the sun Trail so we are in the um the list of priority projects for the transportation planning Agency for Palm Beach County and we have um we have that in the hopper for SunRail along the front of US1 and this would provide that river walk along the mangroves and provide a kayak launch um and also because the fire stations there it's an opportunity to have eyes on the river walk at all times so you know we've struggled for many years with that property um having that kind of oversight so with the fire station there it will provide um that good good um oversight for the folks to feel comfortable coming through there it's always been a very narrow and um you know piece of property that's surrounded by it's kind of its own little island with the mangroves and the and the highway so really it was just to provide public access to continue and to have and and to have um some discussion so that we can begin on more specifics it's very conceptual but we wanted to position ourselves for potential grants which is why um staff proposed the um the CIP because we can go get fine grants we can get fep grants there's lots of money available also with our Florida resiliency Grant so it gives us the opportunity to show case and and show um the state and the federal government that we are serious about wanting to do um improvements for public access and resiliency so again we've we've programmed in some money for future years uh The Hardscape uh and we've heard from uh the commission previously about kayak launch shade structures uh others a small parking lot the Riverwalk connection uh all the environmental items that Stephanie was speaking to uh so we've programed in some money ultimately the CRA plan will be coming back to you we'll be refining those plans and then you'll be adopting what you'd like to see uh going forward but it does position us to be able to apply for other state and and possibly federal funds to be able to assist uh with whatever we uh the commission would like to do on that site real quick Scott and just Stephanie since you're here I just want to make sure when we come back and talk about this plan I'm still pushing for some sort of finger dock bordering the mangr so that we can hopefully address the derik vessels that are sitting in that little Bay right there um to have hopefully get them in a way that they have to be pushed out of there so we can make sure that when we do talk about that going forward we have something in place that can help mitigate that so from a uh cash flow perspective uh based on uh the long term what does what does that mean with what we currently have budgeted again I'm I'm going to emphasize that uh you have a c plan coming before you which is the long-term planning document but what are the funds that we're that we're currently projecting to have available uh going forward uh and I I just want to quickly jump to the end uh which is uh the end of life for the CRA in 2034 uh we're projecting just over $28 million being available uh but uh what I what I would State and this is the reason that we started the plan the the modifications for the CRA plan uh is we need we need to use that money we need to do those improvements in in the district uh at the end of the life of the we don't want to have $ 28.1 million sitting there we want to use that money to make those improvements whatever they may be that the commission decides uh the whole point is to improve the district and ultimately will improve the values uh within the district and ultimately bring more tax dollars back into the town and the county who also participates in the program so uh just to point that out and that's that's going to be part of the plan that'll be coming before you on how to do that that and that ends my presentation unless you have other questions okay um I just want to say a few words on behalf of the Commissioners here um that number one the staff met with CRA Commissioners in in individual meetings and therefore we all individually had a chance to give input I'm not saying we can't give additional input but I want to emphasize so the public is aware that we already had individual meetings we do that uh as a manner of practice and then uniquely the CRA plan is an update is underway uh unlikely to be finished before this we have to adopt the budget so um and then uh for the CRA the plan planning that we do is contingent upon opportunities that we may not fully control um so we had talked about this I think there's a consensus we had on the council I believe that among the projects we wanted to see was something with P Place Park and then something potentially with Sunni sanss if the property owner was so interested uh but you know on that so we're not adopting anything other than providing some funds that we can forecast we can reasonably spend this certainly is uh commissioner May indicated we'll have the opportunity in more detail um with and just so with that I just I'm going to go down the row here I'll go last if you have any questions or comments you know make them for the record and commissioner May um no no questions or comments right now I think like I said we have that uh plan coming up with with all that stuff so we'll see more in detail as to what we're going to do um like you said we met individually so I think staff is fully aware of what my expectations are so L chair uh sunstrom agreed no questions I do think we're in a holding pattern both on the recreation master plan and on the C plan um and I do want to say just how pleased I am to to see this long-term solution uh with the oysters for the retaining wall and the nature-based solution so excellent idea and thank you um also we we met uh prior to this at link and I had a lot of questions for you got answers for every one of my questions thank you very much very good presentation look forward to the next one thank you just as a few things on the record um and then um for the on behalf of the commission I'm sure this may have been discussed in the individuals but number one um the Riverwalk Waterfront trash cleanup that we've talked about on and off I think staff indicated there is funds to do that there is so you won't see it as a line item but that's an important item and I just want to make confirming for the record that there's funds to do that you know I'm sure we all were saw the the cost implication is of a small boat impact and um but for the record there was no Financial restitution possible because there's no record of which boat did the damage um but we certainly try that staff does try if they can um the um I want to emphasize the future funding you know to protect and prevent damage to the wall in Riverwalk as a long-term Sol solution is a good goal I appreciate some funds having been included in the plan um I would expect that's an essential project to implement before the CRA sunsets um and I don't know whether or not it's reasonable on an expectation that the budget estimate could really be known at this time until engineering is done so it's really a placeholder now that project is going to require you know core approval or whatever so we may approach it differently then a year bye just a thought but I'm okay with now the way the funding is and highly supportive of that [Music] um the um and maybe this is going to be done before the end of fiscal year 24 but for p place we're going to have um underground demo and site work on the park side can be handled can you speak that I I was actually going to discuss that more when we get to the town portion but perspective um for for the funding piece uh the the there is going to be an impact to the CRA um the at the next uh council meeting uh there will be a contract that's brought before the council for consideration uh and and that contract for the construction will be for not only Pet Place but also for squez but the RightWay uh issue that needs to be addressed is that underground parking structure we need to get that underground parking structure out of there we're going to have to do some fill and there's some other things that have to happen on site now with that being said a portion of of that cost uh will have to be bore by the CRA uh because uh it is within the district and it's going to be developed into some kind of Park in the future so whether a station was going there or not it could have been bore completely by the CRA to pull the structure out of there but now that there's a fire station going there that will be a portion of that cost will be wor by uh the fire construction budget and then the rest of it with the CRA but that'll be in the form of a budget amendment that will be coming in 24 you are correct right okay so then um on you want if you go to two slides back page seven this is just a question um but uh maybe for recommendation but you know so looking down you know we have scheduled principal payments to the general fund both interest uh well both principal and interest because we loaned the general fund loan money to the CR to the degree that we have a positive balance is there any logic that you see and what action would we need to take to just complete the reimbursement we we could do that if this if the commission so wishes to do that that would be a good use of the money if you'd like to pay that off early absolutely I'm I'm inclined to do so but I think What's the total amount what's that what would the total amount be um well it's on page seven and nine in the yeah I'm just I look at there's like three different scheduled principal payments to between general fund and CIP well I guess we could take action the point is I'd like to take action in 24 I guess you could bring it back I'll have it I can have it at the first reading uh uh for adoption uh if you'd like to so do that it's about a half a million dollars is what I'm seeing here on we'll save on interest yes perfect which really the fact that right now you know we're you we're tying up General funds because the C didn't have any money when the loan was made y so now this would give us the opportunity to kind of recoup that so yeah if you could uh I think there seems to be a a consensus to bring that forth not a problem thank you and then lastly um can't not emphasize how grateful we are for staff's efforts and particularly Finance I'm delighted when I get a every quarter the financial you results I just want the public to know that so we knew we we knew going in here we ready stand with you know three4 of fiscal year 24 that is an incredible tool every year you improve on it thank you you're welcome it's also out there for the public anybody listening it's on the town's website on the town's Finance page if they'd like to look at it okay um and then with that um I don't think we have any more comments um moving on to reports any reports just very briefly I'd just like to thank uh Scott Reynolds and Don Clark and all the directors for the work that they do this is a very very short presentation but I assure you that the work that goes into this is anything but short and uh and we spend a lot of time on this so um I just want to make sure to give them credit for this um it's a lot of work to get to where we are any uh commissioner comments seeing none uh the time is now uh 623 and we'll adjourn the meeting reconvening with the regular council meeting it's workshop at 6:30 for e for for e e e e e e e good evening the time is now 6:30 and I'll call to order the Town Council budget Workshop of Wednesday August 14th may we have a roll call please mayor kzky here vice mayor sunstrom here councelor Delaney councelor for here councelor may here Town manager Kito here Town attorney beard okay we begin uh we have any citizen comments no mayor okay seeing none um moving on to the single agenda item we have in the workshop I turn it over to staff for discussion of the operating budget the fiscal year 25 and the proposed Community investment program budget for fiscal years 25 through 29 and again for the record want the public to know that normal uh practice is is that each council member has met individually with the town manager and his staff to go through everything that's going to be presented tonight at that time we had the opportunity to give comments that I'm sure each of us did um so tonight's kind of a wrap up if there's any additional items that come up to mind or whatever but just so that the public knows if you don't hear many comments is because maybe they've already been provided with that I turn it over to staff uh good evening mayor council Scott Reynolds I'm the finance director for the town of Jupiter um this evening we're here to discuss the fiscal year F fy2 uh operating uh up operating budget updates and also the CIP um um one thing I want to mention is this the CIP just for clarification I mean the C the CIP is a is a planning document over a five-year window we're looking out over five years uh you're the the council will actually be adopting FY 25 as their budget uh the the looking forward is a plan uh and if you've been following for any length of time you can see that those plans change over time uh based on uh what the uh Council wishes and what the community has brought brings to our attention uh or you know uh things that uh initiatives that staff brings forward so uh just keep that in mind as we're going through the presentation there's a lot of big numbers here uh but uh what's going to what we're really concentrating is fy2 and then looking into the future on uh what some possible impacts may be uh going forward uh so for the agenda for this evening and I'll try to move it along uh just the updates for the operating budget uh looking at the total for the CIP uh in a summary format uh the community investment program funding strategies and then we'll go through the funds we'll go through the general fund uh we'll go through some new projects any kind of increases that we're seeing across the uh planning window uh also talking about the uh infrastructure Sur tax fund I've plan on spending a little bit of time on that uh because during the uh commercial paper uh discussion that we had had at the last council meeting uh the council had asked for us to uh bring something back in relation to the uh Zer tax uh funding that's available also we're going to talk about the water fund storm water fund and then end it with a summary and then any kind of questions that the uh Council may have so another thing that uh I wanted to point out is that you have uh in front of you uh there's there's been a uh an item that that we've that we've put on Das I wanted to put point out an alternate proposal for Council consideration uh relating to playgrounds uh this this alternate proposal has been uh brought forward uh due to uh uh comments that we've received uh from citizens along as how we're looking at some of these projects uh for the playgrounds the playgrounds we've went into looking at the oldest to be taken care of first well what we're finding out is that that's not necessarily the ones that are used the most so we looked at the possibly changing uh which uh projects that we tackle first uh that has to do with uh again uh comments that we received online from citizens or feedback that we received from citizens and then also uh the uh the ones that are used the most the ones that are going to receive the most impact quickly uh again I want to remind you and we'll talk about this uh there's a number of plans that the uh uh the commission that we just uh talked about as a CRA we're waiting for the CRA plan but we're also uh currently reviewing uh the uh facilities master plan for recreation we'll talk about that a little bit so I'll talk about both of those as we go through the presentation but just to oper uh update on the operating budget since we last saw that back in June uh there's been an overall reduction of $282,000 since June 20th there was an increase in the avalor uh tax collections of $81,000 since June uh since we received uh the trim July 1st uh there was a reduction uh in our estimate for State shared and halfs sales tax collections uh to be honest with you that's uh not something that we haven't already anticipated uh we've talked about this at length about the FED increasing their interest rates to slow down spending uh so now you're seeing some of those uh Ripple through as far as a reduction and the state's even anticipating a reductions going in the next year uh for the sales tax also there's been a reduction of $120,000 uh related to a modification to our vehic our take-home vehicle uh policy within the town uh there's been some increases in expenses due to salary and benefit increases uh due to changes in the F FRS uh contribution rates also insurances and and just to explain as we go through the budgetary process as we're working the budget throughout the summer uh staff up in the finance department we're tracking uh people that have life events they change their insurance or new hires that are brought on uh also any kind of changes that come down from the state related to F FRS uh and then we modify we make these changes as we go along especially as we start closing in on the window the first and second reading in September and then ultimately adop so that uh when it comes to October 1 we had the most uh accurate information possible uh leading into the new fiscal year for salary and benefits so there's been some modifications there we do nothing unusual we do that every year uh there was a decrease uh in the Jupiter fire rescue uh of about $50,000 that was due to a a redundancy in in uh entries uh that was you know we went back and did a a check uh we do it every year we go through we verify some of our numbers and we found that there was a a dual entry uh made within the Jupiter fire rescue for about $50,000 so there was a reduction there uh also there was a reduction in the overall contingency within the general fund uh still a healthy contingency amount is still maintained in the operating account and no use of reserves uh we talked about that at the June 20th meeting uh still there is no uh need to uh use reserves to balance the budget uh from the water fund uh there is a reduction of $53,000 uh primar that's due to the chemical cost reductions every year we bid out those chemicals uh and uh this year we're seeing that there's a reduction overall $53,000 reduction in the fund and then the storm water fund uh there's a slight increase of just over $4,000 primarily due to the same thing I spoke about in the general fund salary and benefits F FRS Insurance those type of things that we're Shing up those numbers are there any questions relating to the operations budget now we like to be pretty close Okay for the overall Community investment plan summary uh you can see here this this includes all funds uh the general fund the water and storm water uh again I want to emphasize you know the year that we're really looking at for for adoption is the FY 202 5 uh but we do you know we have a planning window uh that goes through to 2029 uh the total uh for over that planning window is $110 million but for fy2 it's $22.7 million uh so I just want to point that out uh there are some things that are in the planning window that will be modified uh again could be modified by the council uh the needs of the public or staff initiatives or even outside uh influences and we'll going to talk about some outside influences going forward uh primarily from the federal level that's coming down that's going to affect not only the town of Jupiter uh but it's also going to affect uh utilities across the country but uh when you look at the plan there there's some things some items that we're waiting on that they're in the final phases of being prepared uh we'll come back to the council the Parks and Recreation facilities master plan uh that'll be coming to the council in very short order the CRA plan we talked about that earlier and then the vul vulnerability assessment that's slated to be next summer most likely that's still being worked as well yes mayor just um you know at this point I wanted to uh make the point with regard to inprocess items you know we talked about on the CRA plan um and I think the public knows that we've made a significant effort to master plan Parks and Rec facilities um you can correct me on my numbers here but um you know despite the fact we don't have the master plan completed uh the fact remains that between carryover budget and what we've planned in the 20 uh in The Five-Year Plan we got $26 million of you know enhancements already programmed now those may change the scope May change and the funding may change but I just want to make sure that we're emphasizing that we know that we've needed to you know do Restorations um and that's you know in the program um and again we'll get into more details about that but just for the public and then with that just to kind of avoid any confusion tonight as we go forth you did present on the dis um a change in the um playground playground restoration and to the degree that we want to have Clarity on what the starting point was I would I'm going to ask Council but I think the consensus would be to go with your Amendment so if we're going to comment to avoid any confusion we start with that okay that actually provides even more funding another million or whatever but fine we'll to avoid confusion we put the other one aside thank you I'm not saying we're accepting it as it is but that's we're going to consider that as being in the plan yes sir yes sir and we will be modifying that going forward yeah unless there's additional comments coming from the C yeah just to you know make sure we know what to comment on yes sir that's a consensus I'm seeing all head nods thank you mayor uh so as you just pointed out uh there there is over the fiveyear window the planning window as you just indicated that could be modified uh $26 million but one of the larger items that we need to point out is and FY 29 it may change it's it's well in the future but we're preparing for it is uh out at the water utility uh is a 12 over12 million uh cost uh that's coming down from the EPA it's an unfunded mandate uh I do mandas here if if you want to talk about it when we get to that point but I just want to point that out that's out in 2029 and the town is preparing for it uh other utilities uh across the country and I always think in terms of smaller utilities they they actually have to build a brand new plant whereas we're adding just a filtration train and I don't mean to I don't mean to minimize that because it's a large dollar amount but at the same time uh other places are looking to they may have to build a brand new water plant and there's no funding to go along with this so we it's a long time away uh it's in 2029 I think some things will change between now and then uh as far as maybe there may be a funding available uh that we can apply for and not just alone so or things may be change may change with within the regulation itself uh but I I do have aanda here and we can talk about that a little bit later um going straight to the uh general fund portion of the CIP uh with the amendment that you have there that is not Incorporated in in here the the one that sits before you on the dice related to the playgrounds but what we're looking for and excuse me in fy2 total project cost of uh $9.3 million for the general fund uh you can see uh going forward there is a slight deficit that we're projecting in 27 and 28 um not really concerned with that again this is a fiveyear uh plan window uh we've had deficits in the past that we've always been able to modify plans uh and uh uh change up plans to to make up for those deficit so I'm not really concerned about that going forward but with that being said uh we can look at uh the amount of fund balance that we have available uh that if we wanted to make up for anything we we do have the availability of of reserves if we wanted to go there so how's how's that fund uh how is the the plan funded uh always like to show this uh slide in relation to the uhu what is restricted and unrestricted as far as the funding that's uh going to be funding the plan uh you can see here the total funding for the general fund uh between uh the 5year FIS uh fy2 24 fy2 fiscal year is uh $9.3 million the funding for these project is made up of 8.5 million in unrestricted funds uh and 800,000 in funding is restricted so you can see the unrestricted is the avalor taxes that are being projected uh the CRA loan and interest income and then uh an amount of uh reserves uh that are built into the C CIP to to pay for uh future projects also restricted there's Grant funds and then sir tax money and we're going to talk a little bit about Sir tax uh because the the council would asked at the last council meeting for us to come back uh so we can discuss that ending balance and the availability and how it may best be used so there are two new projects being considered for the uh General government portion of the CIP one is the Abacoa Community Park Renovations uh if you've been out to that Park uh it's well over 20 years old uh or I'm sorry it's now into its 20th year and uh there are several amenities that have reached the end of life and need repair or replacement uh if you've seen the fencing uh around the the facility that needs to be replaced also the skate ramps there's some hard uh concrete structures that need to be replaced as well uh so that's $1.2 million over the next few years $575,000 uh for fy2 is programmed uh and the next one is the athletic fields repair and renovation um this one is a is a new program uh it's a renewal and replacement type program for the athletic fields um the we we if we wanted to do all the fields in a 5-year window uh that would be an astronomical amount it really wouldn't make sense to do do go about it that way uh because we want to leave the fields available for people to play on them as we're as we're repairing other fields like say at JCP where we have multiple Fields this isn't just replacing sod this is actually going to be replacing uh the infrastructure underneath the ground such as the irrigation uh also putting in new saw and new uh uh uh uh dirt that's going to be there and field grass so pretty robust uh program uh staff's pretty excited about that but $3.2 million is what's programmed over a 5-year period uh starting in 7 with $75,000 in 2025 for the planning of those improvements but we'll get more into that as we go through the facilities plan when that comes back to council as well yes mayor just for a um and it may be in the detail and and um I was just trying to look quickly but I'm just wondering if we have enough funds earmarked for the Athletic Field repairs and Restoration in 2025 to the degree that we want to I just leave that as an open-ended ask you know I don't know when the best time and it probably varies on the which kind of field it is uh but I would hate to go all the way through 2025 not having begun you know some restoration well and if it's impossible to do that fine but if it can be done from a project management standpoint point and it fits the best times to do it I just I leave that as an ask that staff can get back with us and again also the uh facilities master plan will be coming back before the council so there may be opportunities within the master plan to do some of these things oh understand but right out of the box you know we know it's been 30 years for the fields and they're in sad shape and we know it's going to take many years but just wondering if we can maybe embark on that doing it start to do some of them in 25 want to make sure there's funding there for that yes sir we'll take care of that mayor I I had asked in my individual meeting that we probably start with Jupiter Village Park um it's one of our smaller field areas and probably one of the most needed to be redone and one of the other things I'd ask too is um with this uh looking into upgrading the restroom facilities at that Park as well uh they're very small they're you know just definitely need some up updating on that so I had asked when we looked at it if we could just start looking at Jupiter Village Park as the one to start with so I'm sorry cam which Park was that Jupiter Village okay of course this line item that was that I was speaking to is just the fuel repairs and renovation yeah and then that's other Renovations that you're speaking of I don't disagree just well like the the restroom would be just like an add-on but as far as the turf goes for that park that's probably one of the worst just one of the oldest in in the in the town so yeah was withholding any judgment on which Park first just to let's get going on it right um there was a suggestion by councelor May the last time we met that I thought was good um lightning detection systems maybe we can start implementing those in 25 that probably should be up by higher priority than replacing sod they're like somebody had brought amount there they're uh you know cost-wise it's nominal you know in my opinion to add those in so I know it's something I do have an update about the the lightning detection system because I know that was brought up um Thomas you want to talk about that just real quick I don't want to put you on the spot but I know you've done some research on that I'm good uh Thomas Hernandez director of engineering of Public Works um so those systems tend to cost about $25,000 a piece um from the last time that we had budgeted them when they were uh with I want to say we did it for JCP as well as ACP I had assisted uh Parks and Recreation with that um and in the the past for budgeting those uh it's to my recollection I know that we have them at ACP we also have one at JCP I don't believe there are any other Parks currently that that have them otherwise yeah I think you could probably get away with between Maplewood and Jupiter Village you could probably get away with one between the two of those cu the they're pretty close proximity you're going to hear it from Maplewood or Jupiter Village I mean once you hear it at One Park it's you know I think so you could probably save cost there just put one in that area and then looking over at Lighthouse Park um if we could at least maybe look at two since ACP and JCP already have them thank you for reminding me councilor for that's a that's a good idea it's a very good idea good evening Kristen George director of Parks and Recreation and just to give you an update on that we have been working with Thor guard who is the supplier for our current uh light lightning detection systems that we have at JCP and ACP to get full total cost of what it would cost for one unit to supply Maplewood and Jupiter Village Park and then also for an additional one at Lighthouse Park so we're just waiting on some final figures on that and we can report back to you uh likely within the next week on that okay is that a onetime fee or is there a monitoring fee that goes the onetime fee is a little more expensive like Thomas said it's about a $25,000 per unit fee and then there's minimal costs about a $1,500 cost annually that goes along with the maintenance of the system and what's the lead time on these systems uh not long I think they have pretty much everything in stock from when we've built them in the past it's very quick turnaround from start to finish on those projects so that would be a good thing to Fast Track for the 2025 slot yeah you're looking for something to do in 2025 yeah thank you thank you so I've made not I've made note of those two okay thank you okay so excuse me so so the increases and decreases going forward uh again you know talking about in regards to the the funding of the of the program uh you're you're really going to be adopting the FY 25 uh uh CIP the looking forward to 29 that's that's a plan and it can be modified going forward uh but want to we always do a comparison between what you saw last year and what you're seeing this year for those funding Windows uh so you can see here there's been a $1.3 million increase in the in the uh CIP for uh FY 25 again that is not incorporating the number of what you're seeing in front of you relating to the playgrounds uh but uh we still feel that the uh if you look at the cash flow based on uh uh uh that new proposal uh we're still within the funding window without a problem uh but uh some of the things that we're seeing relating to increases and decreases there's uh an increase for the Public Works maintenance facility uh that is a legacy project that is now had some increases due to uh additions out at the facility uh we're going to be putting in what's called a pole well we're calling it the pole barn but it's it's more of an enclosed structure we had a discussion about that today uh but an enclosed structure for for storage of vehicles also a public works uh storage building uh that's uh been planned uh but now we're adding some additional items uh one of them has to do with uh diesel fuel our diesel fuel tank is very small uh we do need to upgrade our diesel tank uh that is in relation to fire uh the fire trucks they they do require the diesel so we have to update uh our our storage uh we're also one of the things I want to point to is the Indian toown Road Western Corridor improvements $4.8 million increase that's a brand new uh um it's not really a new program but it's an increase over last year and that's primarily due to the legislative appropriation that we received $2.4 million uh it is a matching program is what we're anticipating so the town will have to participate with $2.4 million but it's a good uh CIP in the future uh also uh the sawfish Park uh seaw wall repair uh there's an increase of $1.5 million due to the increase in scope and a full replacement of that seaw wall uh along the park and then uh the playground Replacements we did talk about some of the increases there but you can see that with the new CIP sheet that we've put in front of you can I uh on that uh on that page sure um just so my colleagues know I've um because I said in comments SE after I we met i s in comments separately um and um I'm looking to get with staff on the street resurfacing um I just want to make sure that um the scope change from last year's fiveyear plan is valid um and so I'm not yes yet comfortable that we can decrease the budget and I want to emphasize um and I appreciate uh Mr Reynolds that you emphasize that we're really adopting the 25 portion of the CIP however um The Five-Year Plan is extremely significant the plan at that scale um and when and by the way I'm kudos to staff the town manager and staff for the significant Step Up in definition by year in service state and all that scheduling I mean I'm thrilled that's needed but just for my colleagues to know and the staff Street resurfacing each one of us I'm sure get asked from the public like when something is going to be done so for example somebody had asked me some months back on in New Haven on when are they finally going to get their street resurfaced well I go to the fiveyear plan and I read out of that and I explain to them okay you're in the plan here and now it was moved out um and so I just you know it's important that we have definition but then when that definition changed I just want my colleagues to know I'm going to sit down and I've asked I want to why did it change so differently and if if and I understand it was was answered that some of that is coordination with storm water you know so that that work is coordinated and I appreciate that but nonetheless um there's been there were so many significant changes on that one that I'm going to get together you know before the next first hearing on this and make sure I'm convinced or bring back changes that I may feel is necessary so I confiden staff but that was one where boy if any one of us used what was on there like I did um and have to tell people things changed did you want to say something vice mayor no I've done that before as well on a different project but um I am grateful for the timelines the inservice date and just the you know being as realistic as possible about what can be accomplished year after year um I know that you've taken a really hard look at that I know you know the the caffer at the end of the caffer actually mentions number of miles paved every year by the town and so just looking at you know with all that we have on to like what we can reasonably accomplish each year and keeping it realistic is very important for managing expectations um on our part and on the community's part thank you because it it's very important as we looked at the at the cips and we've had these discussions is uh we program these dollars the council approves them we have them sitting in the CIP and then there's an expectation that we're going to be able to get all this work done uh and some of that carries over into the next year uh the street resurfacing is one of them uh that has to do with you know projects being uh uh timing uh and also it's not an availability of cash like this past year we did have the availability of cash it's just the uh the timing of when those roads are going to be paved so I know the the the public specifically has expectations if I saw my road on there I'm like I'm going to get a pave next year so there is that expectation but we want to make sure that that we're setting that tone as we're going forward uh of what we realistically can get done uh in a year so there's some of that too and uh again just to emphasize I emphasize hopefully everybody on staff here heard Kudos because uh I know the town manager has been really pushing that and wow you can really see the significant level of planning and we're so Greatful grateful for that so whatever it was last year we understand we're going to need to change uh but nonetheless I just want to make sure in that case since we were decreasing funding I wanted to make sure that we we were not leaving ourselves short on what needed to be done because roads were you know moved out and then just two other small ones on this page but um and while I and when we met I agreed with the Riverside Drive uh reduction uh because the public over there didn't want it but um but is there a project to replace repair what's there in kind um because I have heard from the public it's in really poor shape and staff can get back with me on that one sure but we got emails recently about that and I don't go down uh that area but uh if it really is in poor sh shape it needs to be maintained but just to be clear there there were there was a project a few years ago for the northern side right I understand that that that the citizens had indicated that they did not want uh this was a a pro a a programmed in uh project to replace the asphalt Pathways uh that are along Riverside on the South Side uh and that what we're trying to do is look at all the sidewalks in the town uh at this point in understand Y and I just to the agree I was going through some old emails today and I saw a member of the public asking about that I wanted to make sure that we're addressing that well the the one of the problems right now is you have so so many new houses being constructed and they're just ripping up the sidewalk in front of that house so you know I I told staff I'm like until that construction kind of slows down I don't want to waste any money unless you know we're going to get a commitment from these construction companies that they kind replace what they rip up but it is in desperate need of you know complete replacement but there's are sections right now where they're constructing these houses that are well to that point I I do go down Riverside a lot I live on Riverside the sidewalk on the southide goes through my property yeah so it's all my friends and neighbors directly next to me and it is in a bad shape but to your point um counselor the the liabilities on any new homeowner if they do any construction and damage what we've done they have to fix it yeah that's our property that's the town's property so anything that's being done in there and the Big Driver or why all those there's a hodge podge of sections when somebody build something new they're tearing out the old crusty asphalt yeah and they're putting in brand new concrete so it's not really that they're fixing stuff that's being damaged they're just fixing stuff that that needs to be replaced and it it does definitely lend itself to to a little higher priority I think because there are some very dangerous spots in there where the trees have ruptured through and it's it's somewhat impassible on bicycles now and Riverside's not a street you want to go out into if you don't have to right so I I would like to try to keep that in a a little tighter time frame if we could please and that kind of work is under caption of a generic item funded because it's ongoing but I just wanted to single that one out to make sure that it's being looked at and then just lastly on the playground Replacements and I know we probably have all talked about this individually but um I know we're adding you know sun shades which are a needed feature um but I just want to ask I want to know um what's the hurricane take down and reinstall manh hours to do that um you know because okay we're adding a couple and we'll make sure we're Weare and and planning for that you know if we wind up having you know three or four hurricanes in a season like again one or two shades because I want to make sure that um the one we just installed in East VI man like let's take them down put them up and and try them out and make sure we're buying ones that were easily done um I was delighted that we reduced Public Works work on putting up shutters on town hall now they may be all redeployed on putting up and you know taken down and reinstalling sun shade so I just want to make sure we're addressing that from a resource standpoint so it just doesn't fall on public works and that's a longer term thing but it's just an ask you know as we add these we can be mindful of that impact and I would second that I have a lot to say on playgrounds but I'm saving comments for the end um you know we also a lot of our Parks have trees and as you look at the site plans for each of the playground upgrades where there are several trees like an Indian Creek Park it makes sense to keep them right and and not add uh shade sales so it's not going to be every playground that has those and trees are the most sustainable there are a number of parks that have them but I absolutely think it's worth going in with eyes wide open on these because um Alton playground for example is very popular um with a lot of families and they had to take down their shade sales for maintenance issues um and Al and you know we just need to be aware of of Staff time on that so thank you very good okay uh moving on to Sir tax funding uh we always show the slide every year uh to talk about the progress of where we are uh in relation to the cash flow the the the projects that have have uh been construction constructed with the use of C tax funding uh like the new PD uh data center uh we use 12.5 million of the ctax uh the um new town hall building that we're currently standing in uh $9 million of that $3 million was it in cash $6 million was a uh an actual loan uh that was uh uh is due back to the general fund over a period of three years we've also programmed in uh into the future uh cash flow for uh the southern extension of Island Way uh the Roger Dean Stadium quad field lighting we talked about some of that uh last year and then uh so during the commercial paper discussion uh we' indicated there was $6.5 Million remaining uh uh available at the end of the of the ctax window which is closing in 2026 that'll be the end of it I actually believe uh next year in the fy2 we will have collected our our total amount that's due to the town uh so we we will have those funds available that we can do with however we wish uh but it was asked that I I kind of uh analyze where we're at with the cash flow and maybe some projects that if we wanted to use the 6.5 or maybe even move some of the funding around uh what we could use some of those dollars on uh I quickly looked through the CIP and found some projects that would be eligible uh such as the Public Works maintenance facility Renovations uh that we that we talked about earlier which is just over $2 million these are all ADV valorum funded by the way so we'd be saving ADV valorum dollars uh the renovations there was a a at the Marlin quad there's a small amount that isn't funded by the ctax which was uh $338,000 uh Indian Creek Park restroom building for $437,000 and then the police memorial that'll be uh going in next year there's $200,000 uh uh in the Legacy uh project for $200,000 that's sitting there just over $3 million now another option is uh it won't move the the cash flow uh of the 6.5 bil available at the end of life but uh another option is is the bridge loan uh that's sitting there owed to the general fund like you just heard me say we'll probably collect all of our money next year that's due to the sir tax fund um through those collections if you wanted to we could pay that bridge loan off early uh take those funds over to the to the general fund it'll be sitting in reserves uh one thing I will tell you it doesn't matter if if if you move it from The Sur tax fund or if you place it over in the general fund uh any interest earnings that we're earning uh those funds go over to the general fund these are considered to be like general fund dollars in that respect uh but uh what we're recommending uh currently is the $6.5 million that we're showing at the end of life that's available uh to be spent uh would be utilized uh to buy down any future interest that we would be uh uh incurring due to this new Station construction uh as you remember uh at the uh meeting that we just had $20 million is what we're anticipated borrowing for the new stations we can buy that down with $6.5 Million worth of C tax it's an eligible cost uh or if you wanted to maybe do a lesser amount uh I just think that uh going forward if we can buy that down that's just that much interest that the that the citizens won't be paying uh going forward uh on that loan so you you'd ask that i' take a look um and this this is uh a slide that I've brought to you this evening for discussion okay um so number one two items one is uh paying off the bridge loan from the general fund uh from C tax money that's already collected that makes sense to me do we have a consensus on that yeah and then that's something then you would bring back to us yes there's actually a resolution that dictates uh the payment okay and then we'd have to bring back another resolution to modify okay well please do it seem like we have a consensus on that one um second of all with regard to deployment you're earmarking what to use the ending cash balance to um it does seem to me you know personally I don't like tying up money that just sits there I'd rather be having it on projects being done I do think the renovations at the quad and and I know I think I had pointed that out isn't that in like 28 29 time period I think it's out we have a programmed right now in 25 and and 26 to be done uh in 26 to actually start start that worse 26 27 okay but then I'm okay with that I for some reason I was thinking it might have been pushed out further um well what's I'll just open it up to my colleagues we have five items four items listed here plus uh whatever's the balance of whatever we choose going to the fire station um does anybody have any particular preferences on these suggested items four items um are we we're not restricted to these I guess are we well no we would be given Direction and then they would they would earmark it basically we heard from uh a finance director that these are qualifying uses um so we just have to give direction and then it would come back to us I think clearly the the the maintenance facility needs help badly there's no doubt about that yep um the I think the the lightning protection is a pretty good item but I don't know if is that a qualifiable use of that fund the the lightning uh no sir it has to be it has to be a a a a capital item with a life expectancy over 5 years so uh the buildings are definitely the quality But realize when we displace General revenues with the c tax and you're freeing up General revenues that to be used another exactly so is there a consensus on the Public Works maintenance facility absolutely y okay so there's a consensus on that um I think there's a cons I think there's a consensus is there on the fire station just a matter of if we add any other things that consumes a six and a half yes what's that I'm I'm with the fire station yes yeah I agree with that yeah okay interest avoidance correct no between those two so so to make sure I'm clear the the $2 million for the uh the Public Works facility yep and then the remainder of of what's left will be used to be programmed in with the fire yes fire and also to pay off the loan I'll bring back a resolution for that thank you very good I do want to make sure that we still the other items that are listed here those are still being programmed out of General operating right like the police memorial and those are in the budget they are okay they're still in there this is just if we wanted to use sir tax money instead of avalor tax okay they're still in there by the way so the police memorial which is an important project you said next year so you mean first you mean first quarter of 25 which is in September through December I'll tell you what is is Roger here Roger did you want to talk about that real quick on the schedule just I and just so my colleagues know I had asked anything in the current in upcoming fiscal year we ought to know by quarter because this business about gee it's next year I don't want anything that could be calendar year yeah technically it's this year basically I just got the proposal from song and Associates to do the design I'm working with uh Shane Lansford over at the police department to start doing some uh sketches with the architect and we're going to bring for you we're hoping to have that probably uh the latter part of the first quarter of next year what's that a project done or I'm sorry the second quarter of next year the project done yes sir okay is the are the sketches um preliminary or what's not yet I'm just I have to enter into an agreement with s Associates so they'll start the process would you consider um any type of public input definitely the way we approached the art was fantastic here and look what we got out of it I wonder if the public would be interested in and come up with ideas right or how we could even go about making that happen I'm not sure where it is in the process um that's why I was wondering yeah I thought I'd seen a design for it but uh basically it was uh they went out for RFQ and what the problem was is they couldn't find they found people that could do the artwork and they could do the statue but none of them were contractors that could actually pull the permit do the site work do the electrical so we're having to go you know have to rebid it and then get a a contractor and then we're also you know we're we're looking at two different options where we have a memorial wall and then we're also looking at where we' have the memorial wall and then we'd introduce a statue into the design okay looking at those two options yeah the input of police too that that manifests exactly a problem we're having with some of these Road servicing projects we can't get people to bid on certain projects understand you we're getting no bids and and you know no no incentive for quick work people are turning that down we're seeing on the bid so it's it's tough getting work done and it was more I mean they went after the artistic approach and you they just weren't contractors so now we get a contractor and that'll work with the artist to capture what we're trying to you know achieve good you you couldn't know this uh Roger but I've asked about that pushed and asked about that project forever I thought it was going to be done imminent any day disappointed but understand where we're at well Ju Just so I could follow up on that mayor a couple of things uh we had a a plan put together from the police department what they were looking for and then the reality of yeah he explain of getting it done but I also wanted to address the fact that this has been an internal project in the police department as their memorial which is rightfully there and so what we anticipate is working through this coming up with something that they they're interested in bringing it back to council introduce it to the public and people can weigh in but I think it's really important to capture the uh what the police officers are looking for absolutely in their memorial so so yes I would have liked to have had it done um we thought we were pretty close but then the reality of turning uh you know some you know what we looked at as potential design into an actual Memorial um took a little bit of a turn on us so we have to go back and recreate the wheel I'm sure whatever we come forward with um is going to be quite remarkable doesn't it I don't know there's the way you described it though it seems like they may have narrowed down on the art piece of it or is that the case well so then it just matter of the balance of the memorial right I mean with within that $200,000 uh budget you're looking more of a memorial wall with plaques and Engraving um they're exploring other revenue streams possibly to get that um statute portion of it as well or tell us ask us I'm sorry or ask tell councel what it is and ask us right we've been pushing for this uh if there's if there's additional funding needed for the statute we will gladly vote in favor of that I mean there's yeah no Pro no question about that so we we will bring that back to you but I just want to assure you there's not been the delay is not because we're not moving forward with the project yeah yeah we understand that it's um sometimes in you know I'm just going to say this police are great at doing police work but then when we start moving into this world um sometimes we get a little bit behind the eightball and so um so we're working diligently to get done and certainly we're not going to limit it we're not going to say no because it you know it's it exceeds the budget in a in a you know a reasonable way we'll we'll figure out how to how to make that work I I had seen in the past and I was resuming that it was the will of the police what I was seeing maybe that's not the case maybe it's matured but I thought it included an art piece well then isn't enough funds and tell us how much funds we need for that you know because I don't want to I don't want to downsize it from what they were considering so please invite us into the process we certainly will thank you thank you're hearing we want to properly honor our police and the fun the the just so you know the funding isn't really driving that at all uh so we will be coming back for uh to you okay so for the water fund um so for the water fund looking again we're looking at FY 25 that you'll be adopting and then uh what's being requested over the five fiveyear funding window uh $1.9 million is being requested in fy2 for a total of 13 projects uh being proposed uh total funding being requested over the 5year window that's a total of uh over $55 million uh we fund that through the use of water RNR funds off site fees and there's also some Grant funds in there from FEMA uh that is being used for the uh plant Harden server building uh one of the things that we said earlier uh we were going to talk about a little bit more in detail uh is the unfunded mandate that's coming down uh for uh the Pas uh reductions and if you'd like I I really would like Amanda to just kind of summarize what that is for the public uh and what we're looking at that's in 2029 uh we're very fortunate that the utility were able to program those monies uh looking out into the future uh but again I I always think in terms of maybe even smaller utilities they they wouldn't be able to do that and some of them they're they're going to have to build a brand new plant uh this is more of a filtration uh uh expansion for us but really I want want Amanda to kind of uh lay out exactly what it is when we spoke earlier you you described it fairly clearly it's it's mandated by the EPA and yet they did not provide any funding for it but that's it's on us and we have to get it done good evening mayor and Town Council Amanda Barnes director utilities yes so in a in April of this year 2024 EPA regulated posos which consists of six man made chemicals um the ones that you would predominantly hear about are pfoa and pfos so those man-made chemicals are were PR predominantly um found in like water and stain resistant Fabrics um nonstick items Teflon and firefighting Foams and um they went into production back in the 1940s in 2000 EPA um you know banned the use of those um products or those chemicals and so since that time they are not being used in the United States anyway however the chemicals um you know whether ingested by humans um or you know touched just by fabric um enters the body and do not degrade and so they accumulate over time and um they are they've been found to be in the water supply um in other areas of the country it's much more prevalent to be in in the surface water supply because they have industrial facilities that were using these manufacturing products here in Jupiter um we have found um that they're present in the surficial aquifer um our nanofiltration plant membrane treatment plant um completely rejects the chemical so they are not in our drinking water they're not in our drinking water however um we do have an an ion exchange facility 1.8 million gallons a day it is um used as last resort but it is necessary as an emergency backup to stabilize Ro permeate which is the water produced by the RO plant the river asos's plant so um currently when the before the rule was promulgated or put into regulation at a low limit of four parts per trillion prior to that the level was the expected level what the industry was expecting was 10 parts per trillion at 10 parts per trillion we expected that the ion exchange facility would be okay at four parts per trillion which is basically the detection limit of the equipment that um tests or samp you know tests for posos it's four parts per trillion so um we can't we can't meet that with the ion exchange facility when we um when we were preparing the 2022 M Water master plan um if you go back and read that posos wasn't really um addressed because it wasn't we didn't see it as going to be a problem but what we did consider um in the master plan was the ion exchange fac was the ion exchange not being able to meet other regulatory um requirement possible requirements so we did look at an option for um treating Ro further treating Ro permeate to stabilize it and that was a calside contactor so what we budgeted for in 2029 which is the year that EPA has um required all utilities to meet the posos requirement is to um construct a calite contactor for the Nano per for the RO permeate excuse me and with losing the 1.8 MGD of ion exchange capacity um adding the six Nano train Nano filtration train which we had the building is um constructed and able to all the other equipment is able to handle a sixth train we had planned for that um so BAS basically that is that that is where we are we are evaluating other options for um replacing the ion exchange facility there is the option of using a different type of resin in the ion exchange facility that could um remove posos however the the cost to construct the cost to construct that we'd have to expand the facility the cost to operate that and then the destruction that we would have to to do for um treat for dealing with the used resin is just not it's not cost effective it's not in the best interest of the utility or our customers so that's basically what that's where we how we ended up with the um budget amount for 2029 it considers constructing a calite contractor for the RO plant and the six train six Nano filtration train for the um Nano plant if we were to eliminate the ion exchange and not construct the six train for the nanop plant that would reduce our capacity currently our rated capacity is 30 million gallons a day it would reduce it um you know 1.8 MGD by 1.8 MGD um there is a state requirement when a water utility reaches 75% of its rated capacity they have to do go in go into a study invest like a Capac rating study an intensive capacity rating study So currently um our and it's based on Peak day so not it's not based on average day demand So currently there are times specifically usually in May where we are like right up against that 75% or like 74.6% of our you know of our production is is 75% of our capacity so if we were to just eliminate that 1.8 MGD altoe it would definitely put us into the the um threshold for conducting that intensive capacity writing study any questions sorry that's a lot yes I'm not sure if I have any questions but just a comment about that first of all I thank you for that excellent uh summary and actually identifying this uh proactively giv us estimates and cash flows Etc um isn't anything more you could do other than that um I personally um believe that the way we should handle that is not yet put it in The Five-Year Plan maybe we ought to have something else call it a parking lot right but when EPA or any governmental agency you know provide some unfunded Mandate of this such a significant amount you know I think it should be publicly vetted you know before I wouldn't want to send the message oh we'll just put it in there you know that's that's more than a third of annual water bills you know so just the the impact of that so to the degree you showed the cash flow in 28 and 29 I feel comfortable at this point in time with saying we're not going to put it in but we need to have a keen awareness of that and we need to work on talking to legislators and whatever that gee you know how about some funding here if you really want something like this because we call them out look what you just are doing to the customer bill here it's rather significant but we have time time is short we need to move but I'm just I don't believe I'm comfortable in putting 12 A5 million in in 28 and 29 like we're accepting the fact that we're going to have to fund it um so that's just I just kind of sharing my philosophy about that but you you provided us with such good information that thank you that I feel we can make that decision but that doesn't mean we haven't heard you doesn't mean it's not a looming issue right U but the fact that we don't need to be starting on it today or in 25 means that we have time to to work on that and to your point I think there's going to be some funds that are going to have to come available Mr Reynolds pointed out that most municipalities couldn't absorb it I'm not sure that I would be that optimistic I mean so just to confirm this FY 29 where a project need to be completed and compliant we need to be compliant by FY 29 so for those who have to replace their water utilities because we know that some in this County use membrane treatment and others do not and we also know that membrane treatment is the only way to receive in Florida at least with its water to remove past that they would have to create a membrane treatment facility and bring it online with construction permitting all of it by 29 I mean that is I mean they unfunded can we be writing to our officials I mean we've had similar issues with recently with quiet zones but what more can we do on the legislative side I'm ready to get aggressive like what can we do what can we write what can we say um there was a presentation brought before the Water Resources task force with the county I've recently joined that committee they share in the frustration I mean we we should certainly be more active especially with this and you've monitored this for so long so just for additional history for the benefit of my colleagues when the water master plan was being done they had a whole section on pasas and on these on these forever chemicals and I remember speaking with David Brown at the time the prior director and he expected a rule to come online I think a lot of people in the community expected some rule to come online but not at this level as you said you were talking about something like 10 and so when they lowered it to four I mean we were okay at 10 and now we're you know $12 million 12 plus million later you know we would meet this new threshold so that really that it really does catch people off guard so you know I wonder if there will be litigation going forward I don't know what to expect but this is a really really big deal for a lot of taxpayers better a penalty for non-compliance um I would have to look into that well just just off the bat What's significant here this is a regulatory agency passing on a rule as an unfunded mandate they have an obligation to understand what the cost so the legislators bodies maybe not even aware of the implications of this I which is why that' be our first step is begin to tell our legislative uh Representatives hey look what this regulatory agency is expecting somehow people to find the money this is not insignificant there there were over a hundred 20,000 public comments made by utilities across the country um you know um explaining the concerns and um no they they nothing changed um so we will continue to monitor for funding and um but right now that 2029 deadline is there no and I and the norm has been and I appreciate staff Works to find funding this is one that is appropriately elevated um so that we all are involved with u getting this issue addressed right let's and we would Target having more clarity on this by the next budget cycle right oh yes so definitely it's my goal but but but I'm not going to support a budget where that's just because I'm not going to just accept the fact that we're going to be victims on 12.5 million I concur I agree same okay thank you I I personally don't want to be drinking that stuff but it has to be paid for somehow I say we just go after the company that created the chemical and make them pay for it dupon yeah send up the bill there have been news articles about litigation on that so yeah very good so moving on to uh water fund the new projects uh there are uh eight new projects uh within the uh water utility uh relating to the distribution system and water quality sampling stations uh this project proposes to expand upon the previously approved pilot program under which 31 sampling stations were installed and complete the conversion to a dedicated water quality sampling stations at the remaining 99 compliance monitoring locations in the in the system uh also the Nano acid uh Tank Emergency replacement there was emergency replacement if you remember right uh due to the acid tank uh rupture along with the 24 in loran aquafer raw water main emergency replacement that's another one um that we feel that needs to be replaced uh even though there there was an accident that occurred there we need to go ahead and just replace that section of of the pipe uh the Water treatment plan southw replacement um is also uh part of is that that um the 24-in Florida aquafer is that the damage that was done when they were doing the road workout on Indian Town correct are are we looking at potential recoveries from them the contractors that did that uh I will tell you that uh we are we are seeking that okay I me we have to fix it regardless so we need a budget for it but right recovery would be good it's it's a 24 in main it needs and it needs to be replaced we need to go ahead and move on that also there's some uh 6in water main uh that is being installed uh for new water services which also creates opportunities for new fire protection fire hydrants uh in some neighborhoods uh and then the uh Center Street Valves and Service uh service Replacements um and the ion exchange system replacement for the be stas that we just discussed uh and I think I heard consensus from the council to remove that from the FY 29 funding window yes question yes I don't know maybe this maybe for um this Barnes um but years ago we had a plan that everybody in an unincorporated area this was being applied for limestone Creek um everybody in unincorporated area when they got water they were they signed on to an agreement to Annex when the time came in Annex is that program still in effect or did it get cancelled or what and does anybody know we can find out mayor but I'm okay it may have been pulled back for some reason but I just don't remember yeah I am not aware of that program I know when developers come in to do a larger development that that that was considered and discussed but for individual homes okay well at least for the developers well I want to make sure that and why I bring this up is like I understand Holly Lane for example is an unincorporated area so you know six homes going to be spending you know quarter million dollars um and I know how we got into this mess uh but um you know I I know the water utility serves town and unincorporated area and and I get that but as an elected official um to the degree that at one point in time it was a strategy in giving water to get people willing agreement to to incorporate I'm just wondering about whether or not some of these we should just automatically take on a quar million dollar project to service the street without just having them ball if they want it you you know have them because we're going to be adding you know fire hydrants which is all great and whatever but it's an enhancement to them you know reduces their perhaps their uh you know homeowners insurance um I just want to make sure that it's an open ask of staff and I'm not even sure how you'd go about it maybe Mr Barrett has to weigh in but is there any strategies we would have where we're considering a significant investment in u expense to serve unincorporated area in the unincorporated area that we potentially could incorporate them and bring them on the tax roles yeah I would I would need but no it's an open-ended ask right but there was a strategy and maybe that strategy I'm thinking that may have been the case may have died but we were and you did say this that when developers come in right what do they sign or what do they agree to in in the past when a large development would come in they would Annex and I believe there's a property um off of Frederick small like towards the inter Coastal that is looking to Annex to the town okay you know maybe a sidebar but at some point in time we've always had a desire in the council and you know it may may have changed but to incorporate where it makes sense and so so yeah the Holly Lane and bendr road which are the two that are in the 5year plan they all those homes current well all except two on bendr Ling um Road currently have water service but none of them have fire understand yeah okay thank you we'll put that as a not mayor to follow up on please do they does that area fall within our proposed fire department our new fire department well it would if they were Incorporated but if but if they're not Incorporated they're not no they're served by palage County but we're going to give them fire Harden if you look at the maps we have a lot of pockets especially off of Center and all these different areas and so there used to be some plan or idea around water service that hasn't been done because there are people that receive water service that are unincorporated but the extent that there are future Investments I think that's the question and just understand the criteria and defining those terms I think the standards of today and I get it um if you're putting in a new water line then you're going to do fire hydrants at the same time good some of these small Pockets cuz you know I know residents that lived you neighborhoods along locki River Road used to be they'd get to water utility to give them water but the meter was on lock Sai River Road even though they were in so people found creative ways and the water utility and helped enable that but now we have a hodgepodge that's what this is here it's hge Podge it's a private road and now we have to go in and you know it's old and we have to go in and make a more significant investment but that means that there are no connection fees you know that normally come along with doing that kind of projects I just want to make sure that we are having some if there's a a way that we can secure more funding right offset that it behoves us to figure that out so that's why I made the ask we will follow up on that mayor uh the next thing is uh just like we did with the general fund uh where we're comparing the uh water fund for over the FY 25 to FY 29 window uh looking for increases and decreases and pointing those out uh you can see in fy2 which is the uh budget you will be uh requested to be adopt going into uh the first and second reading uh will be $1.7 million increase in 25 uh the majority of those has to do with the uh deep well in uh injection I'm sorry the Deep injection well system uh one thing I want to point out it with that program is we are seeking uh Grant funds for that $10 million actually uh that'll be coming in at the end of the calendar year uh when we're going to be submit making that submittal uh so when we talk about legislative uh items that's one of the items that we'll be concentrating on uh going forward uh and then also the uh uh the hardening server building and the training facility uh there was an increase there and then there was a decrease uh due to staff I want to kind of point this out uh we we've spoken with uh Amanda and Rebecca uh the assistant uh utility director about the uh uh work that that their staff has been doing on the on the wells uh and extending the life of those Wells doing routine maintenance and extending some of that so they were actually able to show over the 5year wi window uh there they were able to push out some of the replacement cost uh going past the uh 5year funding window to tune of 7.3 million so uh that's kind of important um was there any questions there Mr Mayor no okay you have questions from me separately right I turned in 40 comments that staff is working on so I'm not bringing those up here tonight okay uh the storm water fund I say this every year and we all know this to be true there's more projects than there is funding uh in rela to storm water here in South Florida uh so for fy2 uh looking at a total of $1.4 million is being proposed total of 12 projects um with the largest of of those projects being the uh stormw storm water asset maintenance program uh there's one new project being proposed in FY 29 uh the plant uh is the pine Gardens North drainage basing interconnect uh that's in your uh packet but uh overall the the storm water uh fund has remained steady uh and following the plan that's that's came before the council and been approved so just in summary uh some of the items that we discussed this evening uh were some of the it some of the plans that we're currently working on coming very close uh to presenting them to the council and and to the CRA commission which is the CRA master plan the Parks and Recreation facilities master plan the vulnerability assessment plan and also uh I just want to point out uh that we we discussed during the operations and the uh CIP portion of the of the budget is the stable reserves uh which helps make up for any kind of future deficits that we may have if if we want to dip into those reserves we have that available or as we did this evening we're moving around projects and how how there're to be fun and we did some of that this evening uh the fire stations want to talk about that real quick we talked about it this evening that uh at the next uh council meeting uh we will be bringing forth uh contracts for the construction of the fire stations and also the removal of the underground structure on pyot Place uh so that'll be on the 20th of August that's coming to the council uh and then it will become a legacy project because you're going to be funding that in fy2 24 and then that will get rolled into your fy2 uh funding plan is a legacy project with future funding to come uh for the additional items that will be needed for the uh fire stations also uh the proposed projects uh as we've discussed this evening are based on realistic expectations of project scope and timelines uh try not to overfund projects uh to make sure that uh uh the scope is more realistic that we can get it done uh with the expectations of of what the public would like to see and the council uh the Water fund uh preparing for the paaf we talked about that we're going to remove that project from the FY 29 window uh and then also due to the what we just talked about was the rehab and maintenance program from the utility staff saving or actually uh moving out 7.3 million in funding request to later years and then the deep well injection we're going to be requesting that $10 million uh in FTE State uh funds uh later in the calendar year uh to help fund some of that project um I didn't I also in your packet I just wanted to kind of point out uh that uh we did include the Strategic initiatives uh uh in your packet and the funding that goes along with each of those uh so I just want to make sure that you you saw those in your packet uh we provide that every year to you uh and then um all the changes we discussed this evening we will be incorporating those into the uh CIP uh which will come back before you on the 3rd of September uh for the first reading of the budget with that that's concludes my presentation mayor unless you had any questions any closing comments um we talked at length again and you answered all my questions you and staff answered all my questions thank you very much great presentation thank you vice mayor and questions well questions or comments closing comments either way sure uh no I just want to thank you uh Scott for all that you've done and all of the hard work and just again you know on the realistic timelines and being able to share that I'm glad also that you made the Indian Creek bathroom project comment that that is that's not in this packet but it is funded it's prior funding of $437,000 that is going forward so when we talk about the Indian Creek playground project of 1.5 uh million that's a major I mean that is a major playground budget and a major investment and I want to thank you because you've kind of increased that to me the demands of residents or desires of residents um you know it doesn't include the bathroom so that's two that's near $2 million going into that Park to make it better which is great um you know I wanted to say on the playground restoration uh we do have this new item before us with things moved around um there were a couple of renderings that went out on a couple of potential designs for playgrounds and they didn't get the feedback we expected and so you know the way I view that is it's on us right because we're the ones that provide the funding so there is a new standard in playgrounds to have shade that is the number one desire of residents um it's too hot we have playgrounds but no one uses them because they're too hot and as a mom and I'm sure counselor may can speak as a parent as well um the thing to know about Jupiter playgrounds is if you want to play at a playground with your children you're leaving Jupiter we do not stay in the town we take our kids to Gardens to other towns and so the goal is to stay in the town and have people more people use the playgrounds and shade is really going to do that so when staff we're looking to purchase you know shade and and change the turf because mulch isn't great for strollers all the time you know or wheelchairs or any other thing um it got expensive quickly sometimes it could be more expensive than the equipment itself so they were the renderings were showing less equipment not enough equipment but having the shade there in place so I wanted to make a request and that's what you're seeing in this um updated sheet here to help provide some of that funding to meet the expectation of residents and you know I wouldn't I've been careful about it because we do we are fiscally responsible we do try to repair things you know maintain them well but but when they reach the end of their useful life when your refrigerator breaks at home or Appliance you make that upgrade and you do it right right and then it goes on to the next period so we have this master plan coming you know there's a survey done with that something like 51% of survey response um those making responses used playgrounds are some of our highest use facilities um after beaches you know or public restrooms these are really highly used um I also wanted to focus I made a swap here um you'll see a different Park Abacoa committee Park listed in 25 and it has a different budget you'll notice from find but you know we were looking at the older Parks first but not all the older parks are being used and not all of them are as visible and so we really want to make sure that we're meeting the need of residents who want some place to go and so and and it's visible in the community so you know there are different tiers of neighborhoods as well with different tiers of funding some neighborhoods like East VI Manor we just cut the ribbon on that one it has no parking it's a neighborhood playground it has no parking it has no bathroom it has no other Recreation facilities so that's going to be a smaller budget or footprint um and you're going to look at that across some of these others JCP ACP have the parking have the bathrooms have the larger um Abacoa small smaller because it's a smaller lot size and you can only do so much with the size of the space but you know that's kind of what the goal is the goal is let's get people using more playgrounds more quickly staying in the town enjoying those facilities um let's give you know staff the resources to be successful in meeting the new desires with shade let's be smart about it looking at trees looking at that but also how we commun Comm unicate it so I also had a conversation with staff about some of the renderings and you know when we were looking at fire stations and Indian Creek Park and I know that that's some of the delay because Indian Creek Park was supposed to be done before and we delayed it because we were looking at it you know for other uses um but we had renderings done or you know we we basically pulled the aerial from like Papa Maps so that you could see where every tree was what was there and then you could visualize it or have it drawn out so with Ai and with some of the renderings that staff shared sorry to go on so long about this but um you know residents aren't always necessarily used to seeing different renderings or plans and if they don't include the trees that they know are there or the benches they may assume that you know we're removing trees or we're not planning for benches and that's just not the case so we want to make sure that we're communicating effectively you know managing expectations around that but it it's a major this is a major major part of the recreation master plan it's highly trafficked highly used could be highly used you know if you do this so that's my request the request was for additional funding you'll see um Maplewood was 275 it's now 450 Jupiter Community Park was 450 it's now 735 because it's a larger Park Abacoa Community Park was 400 it's now 500 so these are increases to kind of Meet the shade and the equipment um and then we made a switch on one of the parks just to get those higher use higher visibility Parks done first so that's what I submit to you guys for discussion but thank you I agree 100% with everything that you said and the in in the request for increases in funding um and one thing I'll add to is just I I get told and I've been asking for this for a couple years is everybody wants some sort of Splash Pad something so if you go down to the north county Regal Park um they have the playground there they also have a um what they consider like a SP a passive kind of Splash Pad where you can go hit the button activate the water for 5 10 minutes whatever and then you know it just it's like a flowthrough design kind of thing and I had already um met with a company few years back and gotten some kind of preliminary pricing on that it was around $70,000 for something of that kind of design um so as we're looking at these Parks um depending on where you know the uses are you know I'd like to see investigate it if something like that could be added in as well because shade is very important to keep the the children cool but so is water so if we could have some sort of water feature that would cool kids down and give them the ability to you know play with that I would very much like to see that added in somewhere um if possible I think it would make a lot of people happy because again The Narrative is if we want any sort of water feature they have to go to Palm Beach Gardens to experience it so like uh the vice mayor said trying to keep people in Jupiter is the goal so um I'll just tack on I just wanted to tack onto that if if if that's acceptable so but other than that thank you for everything else in the budget appreciate it I wanted to add something quickly there but um and colleagues have been on Council longer than I have um may be able to help me clarify but the North County District park so that is a county park in a municipality for the benefit of all of those in the northern part of the county that's the requirement so that's why uh many years ago commissioner Marcus got with all of the north county municipalities and uh every District had funding to put a park and uh there was a consent there was an agreement made that Park would be in the gardens then the gardens when the county tried to develop it they own the property the gardens objected to it and it sat there for a while and then when the county uh when the gardens began their Master planning they approached the county that's why for example they've got to make that Fe those fields available so while they the Gardens paid for the infrastructure the property was the counties so it it's bound with so we can't compete with that right which has got a county subsidy to it right uh but you know most residents won't understand that right they'll think J the gardens has that but we need to emphasize that I think that's important to emphasize because I didn't you know I have I struggle with how do I look at that Park is that like a John Prince Park or some of these other parks in the county these large Parks or this Gardens um a Gardens facility so it helps to clarify that it does have that County component and County subsidy and is for the use of of residents in the northern part of the county um but I also know you know we've had the mass the recm plan is going to be comprehensive and we're going to be talking about Recreation for the next you for a while um and it hasn't come out yet but I know that we're looking at working with because the splash pad requires so much it's almost like a pool right there's liability there reg more regulations there's more staff more man time the the actual implementation of that is an is an enormous undertaking it's not you know just putting equipment in the ground so I know that we were looking you know at maybe what can we do with other facilities in the town like the Aquatic Center on Tony Penna for example um and I know that staff has been in discussions on that property so you know I'm excited about we have to figure out the how the what and the when but I think we all know that you know we're hearing from residents you what they would like to see and we want to make as many of those items possible um I had just shared um with staff something about like the misting poles have you ever seen yeah just to like the just to clarify the what the water feature I was discussing wasn't necessarily like a shallow pool if you go to the the regional park it's literally like a flat thing and water just like shoots out of various little structures and then like a bucket fills up and dumps on the end stuff but it's not like a a pool per se so it's just a an opportunity for the kids to be able to you know shoot the water around and get wet and stuff like that and cool themselves down so yeah not a pool but just um you worry about all the safety issues too that come with the water and yeah I just like I said lels and bathroom yeah they're just they're doing it down there so I figured if we could investigate it it' be I agree so I think part of the recreation master plan that's going to be a really big item as well um so yeah so just more color just um yeah I've got a number of wrapup comments but just regarding the splash pad um just to set expectations we know we're not adding that here I agree that when we get to the master plan we want to talk about things like that I have a 16-month-old granddaughter that's been down in that Splash Pad a number of times as my understanding there's a user fee um and but you know to the degree that there's so many people I know that have been going down there I uh I think we should consider it but maybe it'd be one location in the town and uh as we're benchmarking we ought to be mindful of how other neighboring uh governments are handling that so that's why I'm emphasizing is a user fee have you been there with your well that's the gardens facility I was speaking specifically the north county regional park that's where I think uh no there's um there's like Burns Road Burns Ro that's pay a fee yeah and then there's it's free to the public well we'll get in that conversation the point is we we this is the time to consider if we want some ads not just upgrades but that I would consider that an ad of scope and that's for discussion you know when we're talking about the master plan because we'd have to find what's the suitable place for that and how would we how would we do that but we should talk about it but yeah that's not here because we're not adding it to the specific budget it'll be a master plan we've added a lot of stuff in the budget that can move kind of ahead and we may influence the design but that's a scope item but I just want to emphasize I'm supportive of discussion about that um but we just be staff wouldn't know how to react to that if we were just trying to but when we talk about the master plan um a few other items just quickly I you know I can't overemphasize you know um I realized we have staff here there's significant amount of project work always has been um and uh you know a lot of that no one's fault has languished you know for years um and uh I appreciate the fact that the concerted effort made being made to uh substantially improve project planning uh efforts and scheduling and commitments and what have you and that's going to pay dividends so thank you for all that hard work but I just want to kind of preface what I'm making you know because I'm taking the opportunity with my comments on the budget to address issues that quite frankly have been the practice for years but doesn't mean we can't take the opportunity to change practice so you as an example for years when a project no longer needed funding it would would fall off the list so nobody knew about these projects that still were funded and then Finance goes ahead in the last few years gives us the budget carry forwards you know but uh but until that happened just a few years ago we didn't even know about those projects staff did but we didn't so I just wanted to point out like there's one collector Road lighting there's a $296,000 balance carry Ford I was following that one for number of years because the council had earmarked every collector road to have lighting well recently um a resident asked me how did the these lights get put in and I went to the CIP book to find out and I think the last time it appeared in the CIP book was 2021 to show you how long that product's been going and I know there's a lot of reasons for that so but so I have a just open end and ask is you know what is remaining on that by which we're carrying forward a balance of $296,000 so that's just an ask that I hadn't sent in before you know Scott um but there's a reason I want to know what's left and I do think it just points to the that we the council want to know in service stes for carry projects that are even though they're fully funded you know so I've been asking that that we should know what's left in the scope and what's left um and when is it to be done um and uh you know s our practice has been for years that we would just carry over a if something was a Continuum we would carry over the balance and then we would continue to fund for example there's an item and I'm not finding fault with anybody this was the practice but we had private storm waterer grants Improvement Grants and we have the balance carry forward is $411,000 the Cadence is about 80 grand a year or whatever so we're continuing to fund it yet the you know the balance carry forward has been has grown I question how it's possible to spend it and two approaches we we don't continue to fund it for a couple years or we return some of that so these are some of the things I've been working you know with the town manager and finance and staff to try to True up those items um because um you know we have a significant amount of money tied up u in carry Fords um and um some of that is just a practice we've done for years but uh you know time to change that practice so I just wanted to ask emphasize and explain that since so many of staff are here tonight um and then um um I think lastly um well two last items number one um Dolphin Drive um counselor may had talked about that at last meeting way this works if we all have a noticed on Council unless others weigh in one doesn't bring it to closure so I had to find out what the status was that you were speaking of I agree with councelor May some kind of weighing in with you know I had to see what it was right which is why I didn't weigh in last meeting but but I agree that we can't you know fund the extra on that um so um and then you know lastly um you know i' be remiss and I missed it earlier in the meeting I had had a note here you know uh in the uh August 2nd weekly report you know we saw about two improvements um that are being made on handling work and Staffing in parks and wreck and that Turf tank solution which I understand Craig Westover superintendent of parks said found that's an extraordinary good you know celebration example of Staff should always is always should always feel welcome to bring forth ideas I'm I'm just delighted for that one yeah $50,000 savings but importantly it frees up staff in doing that we are too mayor no I know you are and it was reported but you know what it you know I it takes me sometimes a couple weeks to get caught up on the weekly report I just don't remember it having been mentioned so I just want to have mentioned that on the record that uh um really grateful for all the suggestions that come forth to continue to improve how we do business and I agree with the Outsourcing of rest restroom maintenance and whatever so I think you know this year there's been significant step changes in things like that and just want to emphasize doesn't go unnoticed thank you mayor if I could uh just very quickly um I'm sure there's probably going to be some nomination for a town manager award for Craig coming forward um I just think it's in the works already so we'll not only recognize him publicly but also recognize him for his suggestion yeah and there's process for you to do that yes this is coming from the council here right that we want to recognize that and that that's a model right of somebody to hey is there an easy way to do it anyway thank you and and mayor if I could just two quick things as follow-ups on this uh presentation uh first of all um as I said earlier I want to thank Scott and Dawn and the entire team there for all of their hard work um and all of the directors they're all sitting here um ready to answer questions and you know we we rifle through this um presentation in about an hour but these folks put in hours and hours and days and weeks and it's a lot of work to get to where we are today so kudos to you guys and you know and thank you for all the work and and if I could mayor just very quickly I wanted to respond to councelor uh for's question about the law enforcement Memorial um I'm looking at our project management software here and just update for you so um deputy chief Barbara who was here had um he finished with the latest meeting on July 9th we received the proposals from song and Associates on July 26 we're expecting the design plans back on August 30th um and then it looks like we should be coming to town Council for design plan on SE setember 177 and uh and then construction begins on 36 of 25 and if all goes well we're looking at a um Memorial dedication event around April 2nd so uh so we're mapping it out working through the process and uh you know hopefully all works well and we'll have that event on April 2D of 25 thank you mayor and um I didn't see any public com public here other than staff so no public comments okay thank you so with that the time is now 8:09 and we'll adjourn the meeting e e for