##VIDEO ID:xpn4Qr5VHxE## [Music] I call to order the September 5th 2024 Planning Commission meeting please join me in the flag pledge Amica stand all right Miss Marl will you please take a roll call of members Zusak Kusa here Tinsley here morovich Zimmer a Swanson right agenda item number three approval of minutes the August 22nd 2024 Planning Commission meeting minutes uh which you do have a revised copy and the August 22nd 2024 Planning Commission work session meeting minutes fellow Commissioners any changes all right then the meeting minutes will stand um agenda item number four Miss Jensen any announcements uh yes thank you madam chair uh before you you have an updated Ritter Meadow's second edition plan um showing some revised setbacks to the private drive as well as a revised stipulation from the planning report I'll address those items during my presentation uh you also have revised findings of fact for the Lord of Life uh compant and zoning map amendments and Mr Dempsey will address those uh during his presentation and provided none of these items are table they will move forward to the September 16th city council meeting all right thank you agenda item number five um a this is a public hearing for rid Ritter Meadows second add to consider the application of TLD lf3 Ritter LLC for a revised preliminary plat of 29 single family lots 99 detached town home lots and 135 attached town home units to be known as Ritter Met's second edition and lost my paper that said who was going to be here talk about it Christine cook will be here to give a brief presentation thank you you can put this up to show or yep you can put it right on that table and then they can oh right out where yep right there and then they can zoom in where they can zoom in from the top I think you have to yeah push the keyboard out a little bit is it like that a okay well good evening Vice chair and Commissioners um thank you for having us here tonight my name is Christine cook I'm a velopment manager for twin City's Land Development our address is 4800 Memorial Highway Golden Valley Minnesota 55422 as outlined in the staff memorandum we're only making a few minor changes um to the preliminary plat that was approved back in January 2024 those changes currently um those two changes that um we're requesting your approval on is adding four um eight uh four unit buildings um on the west side of key what is it key or keynote Loop and then also Shifting the some of the parking to the South um the lot count for the detach Villas will remain at 99 units the single family um at 29 and attached town home units will increase from 127 to 135 so the overall lot count will increase from 255 to 263 as mentioned in the staff report there's sufficient area to accommodate these additional Town host units and we um still exceed the minimum lot area and density requirements as outlined in the rm1 medium density zoning District um these eight additional units as noted will be ploted and constructed with the second edition and the final plot is currently slated for approval by City Council on 107 Twin Cities Land Development has no concerns with the staff memorandum um outlining the six stipulations and the changes that Chris made to stipulation number six or the engineering report that was prepared by Jonathan um um lastly City staff has been great to work with on these recent applications um and we have submitted the updated drawings as Chris mentioned this afternoon addressing stipulation number six regarding the 30-foot setback along the private drive we appreciate your time and opportunity um and if you have any questions we're here to answer them thank you thank you good evening Commissioners uh this is a public hearing for a revised preliminary plat for Ritter Meadows second edition uh as Miss Cook said it is to add eight uh attached town home units to the existing preliminary plat uh for a total of 263 units uh just a refresher of where it is located it is north of 205th Street and West of I35 it is consistent with the comprehensive plan which guides it for medium density and uh the property is zoned rm1 uh in which attached Town Homes up to six a row are a permitted use uh this is the previously approved uh preliminary plat that was approved in January of this year uh the original one um had a a cutout in this area for a an exception parcel that was approved in in earlier in 2023 and then uh in January of this year this was brought forward the underlying property owner was able to acquire the exception parcel so the preliminary plat was revised to include Kook Avenue through here so this is the current approved preliminary plat I just wanted to show you this is generally the area where those Town Homes um are being added and this is the revised uh and here is the location of those eight units the location of keynote Loop which is a private Drive um is in the same place um there was no shifting of of the existing Road these units up here along 23 Street were platted with the Ritter Meadows uh the first edition uh plat and that area is currently under construction uh just as a reminder this is the phasing plan the areas in green have been ploted with the uh first edition the areas in blue or purple um are what's proposed to be platted with the second edition and then the pink is what uh is shown for the Third Edition uh these exhibits are from the revised plans that the developer did submit to staff uh earlier today um they they're going to look very similar to the ones that were submitted or distributed to you with your reports uh the primary issue was there was an error in the original uh Planning Commission staff report uh that misc correctly identified the setback for these units along the private drive to have a 25 foot front yard setback when it should have been 30 so twin City's land has been uh working on these plans to to modify them to shift those units back to meet that 30-ft setback they're also changing the length of these unit Lots slightly to accommodate um more possible um housing Styles so the width is staying the same but the the depth is is increasing slightly um and they will finish up all of the revisions on these and have them um ready to go for when the item goes to the city council for approval um I also wanted to note that there guest parking spaces do still meet they do have the one space for every two units and they are meeting that requirement on the site this is the revised landscape plan uh they are planning on having plantings along Kook between those uh new units and the road Kook is classified as a minor collector in the city's Transportation plan so it doesn't have to have that buffer yard uh that deeper buffer yard um that we would typically see with a major collector or higher street but they are still doing the some plantings in that area to help buffer those units um that is all I have for you I did amend stipulation number six slightly I have shared that with the applicant and I will read it for you here prior to city council consideration of the preliminary plat the development plans rather than the site plan uh for the attached town home units that front on keynote Loop must be revised to reflect the 30 foot front yard building setback to the back of curb of the private drive and that the attached town home units 77 through 84 which is the added units have that minimum 20 foot rear yard setback to Kook Avenue um I believe the plans are showing that but I just wanted that as the in the stipulation um and I will stand for any questions you may have thank you um and this is a public hearing so anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item can please come forward right I have a motion on a second to close the public hearing all those in favor please signify by saying I I I all opposed all right the public hearing is now closed uh fellow Commissioners any comments on this revised plot will the other Commissioners check my uh microphone was set to Red so are yours on mam chair yes um Miss Jensen with the uh change in stipulation when we uh vote on this it would be as amended correct all right this one was relatively straightforward so I feel like we're ready for a motion mam chair yes uh motion to recommend approval of the Ritter Meadow second edition revised preliminary plant subject to the six stipulations listed in the August 30th 2024 planning report as amended second I have a motion on a second Miss Marl will you please take a roll call vote Zac hi Kusa Tinsley I marovich I Zimmer i a i Swanson I and Miss Jensen when will this one go to city council lary plat will go on September 16th all right well thank you so much and good luck on your project that brings us to agenda item 5B this is the Lord of Life church rezoning and comprehensive plan Amendment this is to consider the application of frisbee Properties LLC on behalf of Lord of Life church for the following one comprehensive plan amendment to reu property from public and quasi public to low medium density residential and two zoning map amendment to rezone property from rs2 single single family residential district to rst2 single and two family residential district to consider allowing 24 residential Twin Homes and one recreational Clubhouse building and here to give an overview of the project is Jamie Thompson and Matt foris good evening Madam chair and Commissioners um thank you on behalf of our community for all that you do it's uh another opportunity for us to be before you tonight and we thank you for that um some people um wish to know just a little context one reason Lord of life is pursuing this opportunity is that there are some new opportunities before us um we've been notified even by Frank Dempsey and his team that when we purchased our land in 1999 there was a DNR protected water course as our eastern boundary that has been released and so we we have some more land available to us to partner with somebody else on um for those that may have no context of Lord of life or myself my name is Jamie Thompson I was the pastor appointed to start Lord of Life Lutheran Church back in 1994 so this is my 30th fall in this community we stood before this Council in 1999 purchasing the 15 Acre Site and then again um when we broke ground and uh the council approved our project and we are most grateful some people say well now that you're selling this what does that mean for our congregation we still plan to be before you another time with a second phase and a third phase but like a lot of Ministries our size postco post a lot of other Concepts and parameters and issues that timeline just gets pushed out a little bit and the trajectory is a little flatter so that's one reason that brought us along to this I do need to thank um take this opportunity to briefly thank Frank Dempsey and his team for always being there for us um through my 30 years whenever I've walked through the door that gentleman has made himself available and accessible and uh has been uh incredibly insightful and uh supportive with at the same time being direct and clarifying parameters so it's always been very very helpful for those that need a little introduction to the gentleman standing with me tonight Matt Frisbee and his team Matt frisbee is the architect of Lord of life he Des phase one he's put in place designs for phase two and phase three when we reached out to Matt saying we we're looking to do this we reached out to Matt to say would you partner with us going to the city and as soon as we started talking about some options with the city became a great opportunity for Matt and his team to say Jamie what if we became the developer and the buyer and again we trust Matt in his team because we also want him back with us for phase two and phase three for our projects in the future and um Matt's been most gracious with that one of um the blessings of Lord of life through the years has been to partner with our neighbors and so we want to do everything we can to honor them we know that we're asking for a zoning shift and a rezone here um but we believe that what Matt has conceptualized here in his presenting honors all of that um we had our first neighborhood meeting and um we heard a lot of the same questions that Lord of Life members brought before us and all were able to be answered and um we know that there will still be some questions out there but um we feel confident that we can honor them the best we can and then finally on behalf of Lord of life we just again thank you for your time there will be some members of our leadership team that join me in the future for next steps as well so thank you thank you I'm Matt Frisbee with frisbee properties acting as the developer I I will throw this out here just for a quick reference if they could grab that that's not too much trouble and uh so like Pastor Jamie had mentioned we've been working with um Lord of Life uh since 2007 and uh stayed in touch and it's been a great site here and we know it well and I'm sure you know it well too um it's a it's a great infill here that we feel uh for the patio homes that we're putting in here these are going to be slab on grade they'll have a one-story look we will have a partial two story in the Attic Trust on these but the idea is to keep them very low and uh they're three to four bedroom uh fully accessible units if that's what's to desired to be purchased but the nice thing about this infill site is the buffers so we have a uh an outlet that was already established down here and that's a retention Pond that runs the length of the South border uh Pastor Jamie had mentioned about the the previous drainage ement there here that's been released but that's the big landscape buffer there to the East and the this is all multif family over on this side and then of course we got the church on this side we got the road on the other so the impact that we felt we've nestled this in and uh we feel U very comfortable with the design and and hitting the market right um there was a question about the the clubhouse just as a as a correction we've taken the clubhouse out and now it's more open Pavilions pickle ball um you know Gardens and kind of a dog area here too so in the in your write up it did say Clubhouse that has been slightly altered rather than a full-blown Cub house as more outdoor amenities and then we'll be working with the church on the the expansion of their parking lot because uh we do shave a little bit of their parking on this side and then we'll of course we have a long ways to go with site plan approval and and things to go with you too so I I'll leave it at that for now just to see if there's any questions as we go through but again thank you for the opportunity to be in front of you thank you good evening Madam chair and planning Commissioners I I thank the applicant uh and the property owner uh uh Lord of Life church and Jamie Thompson for making this presentation introduction I should say um the project before you this evening is to allow the development of about 5.7 Acres um in the South half or south portion of the church property this is a 12 acre property uh I believe it was developed in uh late 90s um and it's located south of DOD bvar which is County Road 46 and uh east of dot Lane uh the neighborhood grew up around uh this church um after the church was developed for the most part uh the oops I'm sorry I got that wrong um the zoning of the property here is uh um let's start with a comprehensive plan the amendment to the comprehensive plan is proposed uh because the density would be increasing and also because the um uh the property is now guided public quasi public which are institutional type uses schools churches Etc religious uses um and so the uh the this portion of the property roughly would be the area that would be rezoned to a residential zoning District um consistent with the residential zoning around it except it's going to be a slightly higher density to allow Twin Homes instead of single family homes um single family homes are located to the west and to the South and then uh there's attached Town Homes to the east um 11 buildings and I think uh 80 some units or or more than that I believe um and 100 uh yeah so this property would be would be guided than low to medium density residential uh the zoning of the property is RS3 single family and then the zoning rezoning would include zoning map Amendment would be rst2 as you can see here there's U uh City uh out lots that surround the south and east part portion of this property those were dedicated with uh the developments of the property including the church this portion this is a drainage swell that runs through here also with the town homes to the east there's storm water basins in here uh and then to the South is a storm water basin that uh separates this property from the single family homes to the South um The Proposal is for 24 uh units uh in in 12 buildings so they're attached Twin Homes um the uh recre outdoor recreation space which was originally proposed with uh uh a um uh a a pavilion or a a clubhouse and I included that as part of the planning report because they they indicated previously that they they were considering one way or another it sounds like they're not going to have it so if they do not construct the clubhouse it's not going to be in any violation of whatever site plan may be approved with the preliminary plat because it was mentioned um the culdesac here will require a variance because it's slightly I think it's 30 feet longer than the maximum 600 feet in culdesac length That's Not Unusual at all uh in in some developments in order to maximize the development of the property the city has con concerns about very long culde saacs much more than that uh is being proposed um but this is well within reason it's really a matter of uh number of units having a limited access to one uh to uh to one Street in this case uh there is another way out if there's an incident here at this intersection you know fire other some kind of emergency there's still another way out we'll get to that with the preliminary plot when that is uh proposed to the process but want to explain what is happening here um these are the units that are proposed uh there these are similar units that were constructed in another city um just to give a a general idea um these are the floor plans it it's uh they're slab on grade buildings primarily and so it's um I think 1500 or or 11 to 1600 square feet is my recollection for for the building size uh and then some have second floors as well so uh there was a neighborhood meeting that I requested that um the applicants hold inviting Property Owners within 500 feet which would of this property which is the same people that would be notified of this public hearing and in a future preliminary plat uh there were approximately 20 could be a few more people because people are coming and going but my best count was about 20 it was on June 10th uh there were questions regarding uh ownership of the property or rental uh they are planed to be owner occupied um that's not a land use consideration but one of the that was made um and then were anticipated values which is also not a consideration that the city takes into account but it um roughly $500,000 value is what was noted uh 1300 to, 1600 square fet uh sizes um and there will be a homeowners association um there was questions about view from the single family homes that are to the South looking to the building uh my measurements on that uh before the meeting is that uh the roughly 140 to 185t separation from property line to property line across that Outlaw uh there's no screening requirement and it would be up to the Builder to decide whether they want to con uh plant additional trees along that South Boundary of the proposed site plan um and there were questions about whether the buildings would be uniform and design they will be uh and common fence Des design I believe that the architect had mentioned that the fences are proposed that they would be uniform and designed but that's ultimately the decision of the homeowners association so uh there are draft findings of fact and I did include a clarification and a handout after speaking with the city attorney it was determined that we should have some language in the findings of fact that specifies the maps that we're talking about so there's no question of what is being rezoned and what is being amended on the land use plan so that would um be included language that you see that's highlighted in the yellow otherwise the rest of the findings remain the same uh findings of factor required for resoning and comprehensive plan Amendment and I'll stand for any questions thank you this is a public hearing so anyone wishing to speak on this agenda item can please come forward i' make a motion to close the public hearing since there's no one coming forward second I have a motion in a second all those in favor to close the public hearing please signify by saying I I I all opposed right the public hearing is now closed um fellow Commissioners thoughts I did write a couple questions down um and I'm not sure if this is for um I didn't write your name down Mr Frisbee or not um in the list of frequently asked questions it was would there be an HOA because their home ownership is there need for an HOA or will there be one thank you there will be an HOA because they'll have ownership of their place and then HOA will be taken care of all the grounds and the surroundings and then there'll be uh covenants and everything else uh guiding the development okay and then the second question along with that I learned about this at the other meeting is this a poo Prince Community is this a the kind of definition I had I had to Google it so um the kind of thing that if you have a pet uh you have to have its uh byproduct Reg registered with poo prints and then you can track it down is that sounds like not what you guys are doing I not say we couldn't had that direction to be honest with we haven't got to that much detail it's not a requirement I just thought it was very interesting that that was a Direction one of the uh developers was going so I wanted to ask okay that that was that was my that was the question it's Twin Homes so where did I see in the model sum are two garage two stall one are some are one uh all of the units are uh two stall garage es um some of the units are three bedrooms below with a bonus room above which could be home office playroom or another bedroom and the other one the smaller units are two bedrooms below still with a bonus room above okay and just to clarify from a square footage standpoint they range from 1,500 to 18800 Square F feet some of the examples that you did see in the pictures of one that we finished up in Lake Elmo and now now keep in mind that was all active senior very guided this will be open this not age restricted but that one we did have some one car garages in that one just because of it was a senior oriented project okay great thanks for the clarification those are my questions yes um I am in favor of this uh resoning and the comprehensive plan Amendment um you know and I think this is a great product I know looks great it's there's definitely a need and desire for uh more housing like this in the community um but I did have a question for U Mr frisbee um this is this this city used to have uh a ordinance we do not anymore um related to slab on grade uh providing some type of protection um in the case of uh inclement weather um so this isn't something that you are required to do but I just wanted to know if you had any thought um has went into especially with the been senior housing of of what they might do in inclement weather and and just to recap this isn't guided to a senior but more than likely there will be seniors uh here uh that's a very good question and what we typically do is we look like we look at an inbound room and we reinforce that uh it's not going to be a concrete bunker but we usually look at it as something that gives it that one extra level of protection but correct we won't have a basement to go to and with the storm systems and different things that we do have that's a very valid design question yep that's wonderful um the city used to have an an ordinance and um you know normally it would be for a you know kind of secure room like that it's not required but it's wonderful that you're thinking of that you that was your question too okay oh I'm in agreement um I appreciate the product that's being put forth in front of us to consider tonight um you know a variety of life cycle housing of different types all types within the city of Lakeville I think is a good thing did have a question um I know I heard some comments about future phases of the church those are still on the table with what we're talking about here today okay just was curious about that but um otherwise I think this is a good example of um putting a site into I'll say a better utilization rather than sitting vacant um not that it's vacant with the church on the parcel but I'll say more to its potential is is the wording I'll go with look forward to seeing this come forward in the preliminary plat process where we get a chance to kind of crack into some of the details of the proposal and everything else but uh I'll be voting in support of this thank you all right any other thoughts sounds like we're ready for a motion Madam chair yes I move to recommend approval of the Lord of Life Church comprehensive plan Amendment and zoning map Amendment and approval of the findings of facts dated September 5th 2024 as amended as they're in front of us second all right I have a motion in a second Miss Marl will you please take a roll call vote Zusak Kusa Kinsley hey morovic hi Zimmer hi a i i well thank you so much and good luck in your future project and with that meeting is adjourned