##VIDEO ID:rV4r-czTyYI## e e e e e e e e e e [Music] we'll call to order the city Commission meeting today is Tuesday November the 12th the time is 5:30 would you please rise for the invocation and pledge Heavenly Father we ask that you watch over this group tonight that you give us the wisdom uh to make good decisions for the city of lesburg we do this in your name amen pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation God indivisible [Music] andice tonight we have no proclamations uh we will have a present ation on the west lebur CDC [Music] update good evening everyone my name is Fred Griffin Jr I am the President of West leeburg CDC first I would like to um publicly thank the Commissioners that came out on to our Fall Festival on Saturday although we had a little conflict of interest but we made it work um commissioner Barry reesman also the commissioners of CRA was there uh Connor and also ottoman so I thank you all for coming out and participating and I would like to also publicly uh congratulate reelection on May bur and Canal on your reelection also with Public Works no matter what time I call or email they always respond back so I want to publicly thank uh public works as well for doing an awesome job no matter what the situation and Circumstance may be especially getting us prepared for the Fall Festival they came out and changed some equipments out pressure wash painted make sure the water was drained properly from the flood and um I thank you all so kudos to you all thank you so much so I'm here to give you all a West leeburg update on what's been going over the last year um for those of you that may not know um what's leird we are re Redevelopment we go into the community remove the blind try to partner with the CRA and try to identify everything that's necessary to make our community better and safe so with this PowerPoint I'm just going to show you all what we have uh done over the last year of course we date back to uh 2006 when it was established uh under the spearhead of Miss uh Agnes uh Barry and uh we have been moving forward with uh great results and we will all to continue that relationship that we have with the city so with our mission our mission with West leeburg CDC is like I stated is to remove the blank conditions engage in economic growth promote high quality of life and improve the living conditions our vision also states that uh we are to improve and help empower the community Through education mentoring leadership development housing and Commercial development infrastructure and such as go on we also help with rental assistance firsttime home buyer program Workforce housing utility payment assistance clothing for kids public transportation vouchers cooking for cl uh classes for seniors and young adults and also next youth offense programs so the things that we have listed for our vision we are unable to do unfortunately um due to circum IR stances that we have um I'm sure since I'm up here making this presentation that we're going to fix it moving forward remind you all that I'm not up here for myself I take myself out of the equation it's always going to be about the community so that's what I'm advocating for the community one things that I one thing that I do want to point out with our vision we are in the process of getting firsttime home buyers into um the homes one that we are very proud of that we have an assistant principal that was willing to move to leur as a first- Time home buyer because she see what's going on in our community and she's here locally at our high school so that was a pat on our back when we did our Redevelopment to offer that firsttime home buyer to her now when it comes to uh the other uh entities on here such as cooking and things like that unable to do so we' have done it in the past with um Chef z um before Co we would love to continue to utilize the kitchen I'm there Monday through Thursday um um I would love to sit down and have a further discussion with that so I just wanted to point out these uh things that on our vision that we are unable to fulfill at this moment but like I stated moving forward I'm open to a dialogue so we can fix these issues to make sure the residents are getting the best um out of our community with our board members we have uh nine board members um excluded myself I make 10 since I am That Swing Vote um I'm just there to make recommendations uh we also have have an office manager as well she is the only paid person on payroll um and her name is uh Miss Cassandra Cunningham and she's uh well established been with Miss Barry from day one and she makes sure that we keep everything in line when it comes to our books and especially our finances now let's take a look at our general fund expenses now I put in a requests um about a year ago with our general fund and I stated that um we were receiving 900 like $30 from um the city as a stiping that stiping was to basically uh prepare those to become firsttime home buyers um unfortunately that was taken away from us about a year or two ago so we did turn around and ask the city um out of that Co funds to um take 50,000 out of that to help offset our general funds so with our general funds we have that Community give back back which um from our physical date that's the same with the city it starts October 1st to September 30th um so um up until today's date we spent about $3,700 on community give back that includes back to school um that includes sponsorships for those that may want to um have us uh represent them out in the community um letters come in all the time we just can't fulfill them all but we do our best um our office supplies we have done um scholarship um we did two recipients this year from Leb high school there was a th each uh we had a c uh committee that spearheaded it to identify those uh two recipients um like I stated with the partnership and the scholarship um with those that come in we just got a letter from uh Lake Community Action Agency um they ask for funding that will help with utility bills for those that may uh need uh uh assistance um especially when it comes to West lebur area um we have um had sponsorships from Kaa we have had sponsorships from uh different other organizations to help with summer programs so that category specify with the 1300 um as you all see our office manager like I stated she's the only one on payroll and her salary is uh 12,000 a year um our storage and our phone services is 2,000 a year and just to give a ballp part between 2023 and 2024 we average about 2,76 that's not a lot of money especially when you're trying to operate a community that's in critical need and I get the phone calls day in and day out we get people coming to the office non-stop asking what can we do to help for West leeburg so as you all see the 50,000 is pretty much going pretty quick so I would like to have a further discussion um with our CRA Commissioners and you all to address um how we can identify and I'm sure you all scratching your head yeah we have two cdc's yes we do however we are offset because of legal aspects and that's why we have two and that's why we have two CRA so I want us to make sure that we stay uh together as one but the uh individual entities if that makes sense as an organization we do a lot for the community and especially for me to be in the office Monday through Thursday I'm not even on payroll but that just shows where my heart and my commitment is to the community so let's go to the next slide please with the next slide we're looking at the rehab first-time home buyer like I stated Harlem House the Harlem House was a old habit ATT home it sat there about 2 to 3 years when I became president and I was like I need to get this home um because this will help uh remove the blank out of the community well we did on February of 2024 we purchased it for 140 we renovated in and out for 36,000 and we sold it like I stated to uh an assistant principal here in our back door um that was love where she's at in our community so that was once again a pat on the back so if you look at um the overall uh it took us about four to six months to complete this project so if you go to the next slide for me please this was the uh before pictures it was a horrible condition we went in like I said gutted everything from in and out uh it left us with basically starting over with a brand new home except making sure that we meet the requirements from Planning and Zoning next slide this is the after picture the after picture is phenomenal I mean like I said it's just a pat on the back just to see the end result and knowing that someone is there um you know in that home so as we move on to our new construction this is one of our our dear baby we call it at the CDC wests side um we partnered up with keco kco came to us and said we want to give back to the community we would love to partner with you all so um this is a brand new never before done designed custom home uh the price started off at $492 uh may it did increase um because of the supplies between us requesting for the funding back in October up until May everything went up and of course it had to be done through U Planning and Zoning so it was time consuming but if you look at the table of December of 2023 Planning and Zoning had approved it we had to put $10,000 towards this particular project on April 2024 the permits were approved and then August of 2024 that's when we finally broke ground and got the project rolling next slide please um as of October which I drove by today or try to go by often they have started the roof so um this was back in October when I snapped this photo um so as you all see it's going to be uh two duplexes um it's going to be a 32 and A2 um we're looking to get a first time home buyer in there we are still uh canvasing to see um who's out there just unfortunate that um with the process it's taking longer than what we anticipate but kfco uh stated that they should be done by March of next year and or April so we're still trying to identify those that want to become first-time home buyer within west leeburg of course we cannot discriminate so if first come first serve and we're making sure that we are doing our part to give others an opportunity next slide please this is the finished result um after everything is said and done with ke Co um like I said it's a twostory we're going to put some accessibilities in there for uh Ada um for those that may be um wanting to purchase it as a first-time home buyer but need some assistance um so that's going to be our end result when it comes to the two story now when we look at the next slide I just want us uh to take a look especially um Commissioners when we are identify of going into the community with West leeburg one of the things that we want to make sure that we continue to do moving forward is that um we continue to assist the CRA it has not been done in the past and like I stated with me being a president over the last three years um for some reason it has lapsed now that we have new CRA um that's on board we ready to work I think that we have shown our self approved over the last year and have identified what needs to be done um and I think moving forward board um it's no disappointment so um I just want to like I stated have a round table with our CRA and with the Commissioners moving forward to see what we can do to continue to remove the blank from the commission uh excuse me from the community and get these first-time home buyers inside uh these new homes and that think that will include my PowerPoint and I would like to um thank you all for once again for this opportunity to present myself um I know you all have a full agenda but I just wanted to highlight some of the key points and um I will entertain any questions or concerns that you may have at this time any questions for Fred no thank you Fred all right thank you appreciate it we'll move on now to uh item four public comments this section is reserved for members of the public to bring up matters of concern or opportunities for pray issues brought up will not be discussed in detail at this meeting issues will either be referred to the proper staff or will be scheduled for consideration at a future city commission meeting comments are limited to three minutes and would you please give your name and your address when you come to the microphone are there any public comments Gary kuster 8909 East Treasure Island Avenue lebur I want to thank Cliff Kelce for staying on the Silver Lake Point thing and the water coming out on to 44 the uh storm water running out there they're working on it something's being done and it's good they're going to change it so it's actually going into a storm drain instead of into the road so that's that's a plus but now we we have other things happening we got orange bin coming online and 44 is worse than ever they lowered the speed limit to 45 sounds like a good idea but it's not helping it just spread traffic out further so now you sit and wait instead of waiting five minutes you wait 10 minutes so it's it's not helping you need to do something in conjunction with the county I know you you guys have told me before it's not your problem it's a County's problem but it's a problem being created by all the housing all the development that's going on up there so something's got to change with the cooperation between you and the county to get something done the road has to be improved thank you thank you my name is Alan foot I live at 6030 Hunters Ridge Avenue in Legacy of lebur you'll have to forgive me for reading my paper my glasses aren't as good um I'd like to discuss a couple of things I'd like to first talk about Shady Oak Cemetery on Ferguson Avenue for several years I've conducted genealogy research and as part of it I've um researched the find a grave database um which helps locate and take pictures of headstones for loved ones that are looking for them several years ago I received a request for a headstone picture at Shady Oak happened to be Butler Dabney and when I went there for the very first time it was knei we I couldn't I I couldn't even see any other Graves so I I called it off I subsequently went back and it was cleaned up it was then that I found out from Loke that the city had designated them as basically the groundkeeper groundskeepers and um it it looked pretty good now my thing was is I I don't know whether Shady Oaks is a private Cemetery independent Cemetery I don't know who owns it because I am doing research on the cemetery yeah he's he's looking it up right now thank you now hurricane Milton hit and both Lone Oak and Shady Oaks were hit pretty good but there are two very large oak trees in Shady Oak Cemetery and they landed on about 10 to 12 Vault sites and if it weren't for the thickness of the branches uh it would have destroyed two of them now I've spoken with the people at Lone Oak and you know they uh were responsible for the cleanup but they do not have the capability of cutting those two big oak trees down and they said that they had contacted the city about this issue in the past and I'm just wondering if that is something that needs to be done by the city because otherwise they're just going to sit there now people come and they wander in and uh I don't you know I don't want anybody getting hurt there I've mapped photographed logged gpsed vaults and headstones of all of  Oaks I've um put them on uh find a cve that the ones that I could and then uh hopefully I'll be able to get something else done and my last thing here is um I'm interested in the Dabney Funeral Home records I know there was a fire and I'd like to know if there anything was salvaged thank you if you would if you would see Rob Hicks in the back and give your name and number to him and and I'll we'll follow up with you Shady Oaks is part of Lone Oak so the the contribution that we make to Loan Oak should go towards their maintenance so we need to talk to the chairperson of the board over there who's um Murray Murray Mr Murray yes and so we we'll get we'll get squared away on some of those issues all right thank you very much did you have a comment Shady Oak is right there at Dixie in the railroad track in the old railroad you know right yeah yeah yeah yes ma'am hi um Jen McCurry I live over in pal Mora Park I just want to take a minute to give public recognition um I'm one of the facilitators for the main street car show and we did our fundraising this month for the leberg food bank um in addition to the money that we raised this weekend uh John Snyder with Dunston Plumbing stepped up and help pull in some funds for us match some donations we were able to do over $2,000 and I just want to make sure that he got recognized for that thank you thank you any other public comment all right we'll move on to item five that's a consent agenda routine items are placed on the consent agenda to expedite the meeting if the commissioner staff wish to discuss any item the procedure is as follows one pull the item or items from the consent agenda two vote on the remaining items with one roll call vote and three discuss each pulled item and vote by roll call are there any items anyone would like to pull uh yes 5b2 5 B2 5 B5 please and 5 B5 any other items all right [Music] can we get a motion I'll make a motion to approve all remaining items yeah second roll call commissioner conell yes commissioner rean yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes mayor bur yes somebody please introduce 5b2 introduce and ask be right by title only resolution of the city Commission of the City lburg Florida authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a task order with G Consultants Inc for Professional Services in the amount of $148,200 for base services and $ 74,4 for optional bid items and providing an effective date for approval second all right believe you pull this I did Al this is a you want to give us a brief summary of what this is okay so in the fiscal year 25 budget we have about about $1.2 million allocated I believe from DST funds to address parking and different issues downtown so the overall plan was to shift the events the the partnership building obviously has changed hands um um and the events division now is in the old partnership part the Arts the Center for the Arts is in one part of that building So the plan that we have talked about is to relocate and that got funded in the fiscal year budget to reloc at those organizations the events division um now to the gas department as the gas Department's moving up to Griffin Road the Arts over to the Tropic and then the demolition of that facility with the Demolition of the facility that opens up that area for parking design so the concepts we had contemplated were a new parking design concept for the center part of the that City owned Parcels um as well as redoing other signage and and and unifying kind of all of our public parking signage to address parking in the downtown to design that scope of work uh we put together a two- tiered contract one was 148 Grand and then additional Services if they're required for the 74,000 to GI gi's primary services are the signage as well as the parking lot design concept um which they're asking 148,000 for uh we uh procured over the summertime uh uh a design consultant who would do all Design Concepts associated with the downtown which were contemplated in I believe it's a 2017 or 2018 master plan um G was ranked the best there that uh approval to use them as the sole contractor for Design Services for downtown issues came before this body which you all approved and so the first contract the first kind of scope of services doing the parking and that is their that is their estimated cost to do those services so this is just this is just for the design concept correct so $220,000 for a design concept well we hope to keep it at 148 if we need to go into other issues then it would go up to the 74 and sound like an excessive amount of money for a concept for for Downtown parking this this is design so it's design bid build so it's a it's it is a tick over 10% uh um I wouldn't say it's excessive I would say for the for the for this they're actually going to do all the improvements too no this is design and then procurement get us so we design it review the concept public input public meetings out to bid with them helping us put together the specs on a design on a the concept is design bid build so they get this contract covers the design and the bid portion so not the build portion so none of the improvements just the design design and the bid and bid so for up to $220,000 just for that yes to just address some Downtown parking that's the cost sir um that just seems way excessive for I mean for some Downtown parking for design for downtown I mean I mean I what I mean what are they going to I mean we already know the parking lot where they're going to put where the center of the Arts was at I mean I in some and address some Street signage that needs to be replaced or what have you I mean for $220,000 it seems like a lot of money for Absolut 40 is I mean that's assuming they go over to the optional you know yeah up up to up say let's keep it50 you know well that's that's because that's what we anticipate the spend well I know but you there's another 74,000 built into that there's a possibility if Mone but if we approve tonight that I'm assuming that 74,000 would be approved if needed corre we would come back to you and let you know once we hit the 148 and those are optional issues if we want to go forward I just think I mean to address some towntown parking and some some Street signage that needs to be replaced it seem like to me if you wanted to spend this kind of money in downtown 220,000 would be much better spent downtown than just a the design of some some off street parking obviously this has been a priority for me trying to improve parking downtown um I had thought about pulling this item I'll just I'll just throw this out for discussion um this is how important the parking is to me as I read what was involved in the optional bid items if it would please the commission tonight I mean I I could put that on hold we can vote on that later because that is I I I looked at the contract very closely and that's dealing with issues that really are not related to the quote to the parking lot they're good there issues downtown you know all that and as important as that is I just want to get this parking lot done um you know at this time and then do it right so I mean I throw that out for discussion if that sways anybody or helps us get this done I mean because I me help me out Al but I look I did look at 74644 really is kind of additional items outside of the quote parking group I think the primary things we want to cover are the on street parking reconfig ation the signage and the design of the of the parking lot and I think that those are the bulk items in the 148 so so the you know those are the those are the three major things you want to you want to accomplish and that's a mixture of the input that this that this body provided um we we we separated the contract to keep cost to the minimum so if the 1.2 million is covering those three items you then you're you know you're within kind of that rule of thumb of a 10% for your Design Consultants 1.2 million the which is the 148 so you know it's a I don't math real quick but you know it's a tick over the 10% so again you if you want to Lop off the 75 and revisit that in the future I don't think that's issue the the main concept is that 148 which is the onof the on street parking which so that's the parking on all the the numbered streets Main Street um that was a that was an issue that commissioner reesman brought to the table obviously the Downtown parking was something that we all spoke about specifically you commissioner those design comps are 148 okay so you want to put a if you want to put a cavey on that that says don't go into the 75 unless we make a report and come back to you if you want to Lop that out completely that's really up to you all I don't I don't mind me looking at it and I say that in the context of how important is to get this parking lot done and I'm just afraid I you know I'm trying to save everything I can because I'm sure it's going to come in a little bit above million to we're going to be trying to find a few more dollars so I'm just trying to every way I can to make this work uh if I missed something in this helped me out I thought it was I thought the 148 the way I read it was pretty much the parking lot and related stuff and op stuff Services we may or may not need in there that was part of the 70s okay I may have misread it then okay I just thought it out for discussion I mean in my efforts to get this thing you know move along um I'd like to ask is the current the street parking will that change with the little purple dots on um figure two that they showed is it turning okay well it may very well so will they they will they be going into the Diagon I don't know okay but the everything that is in the box of basically downtown Canal to Canal to 9 all all 16 blocks intersections Magnolia to Meadow all that will be looked at mhm and then what about the existing parking lot behind the traffic now where the two level will there be any changes to that one in the in the by the TR by the behind the Tropic M the multi- Lev one oh no that'll nothing will be touched there okay years ago look let me the parking garage itself no change perhaps the parking lot on the south side that could get touched okay it it's you know that's the design concept is opening up the downtown to maximize parking okay and to remove non-conforming spots for safety and to provide uniform Street signing to help the public get to parking easily and I mean and I mean to interrupt but I kind of put that into the optional bid part if I was am I correct that you're incorrect in that the 48 is for onoff signage and doing the big parking lot at the partnership okay that's and and and looking kind of looking at the gist of all the parking in that area so in summary all I was proposing to the commission was an effort to move this along and and and how important the parking lot is and and the other issues I I could live if I I would proove the whole thing tonight but I'd also pull back and pull the 74 out and say bring it back to the commission if that's what it takes to get this approved to get the project started as soon as we can you need to approve the 148 this evening okay that's what I'm saying I'm saying oh I'm saying that I'm saying we could hold off on the other you could if that's what we need okay I welcome the other commissioner's comments on that I support this parking um I know I was a advocate for this if you haven't been to our downtown it's a very growing downtown and parking is an issue we have a lot of new businesses down there and I fully support this I'm fine with what commissioner Peterson said about holding off on the 74 but I would like to move forward with the 14 and please I was not trying to slow down the 148 I was just trying to help control expenses because that's how important it is and I'll make a comment here also um if you go to our neighboring cities and I be careful how I say this but all the downtowns have a parking problem right now and we have a chance to fix ours you know I I I'll go and say Mount Dora because they're just booming and they're it's going to cost them a heck of a lot of money to fix their their problem now um and I just I think it's just great we fix it now or do it right now uh I'll remind the audience and and and I know the commission knows this but when we did the uh downtown Master Redevelopment plan uh with which was based on input from the community uh parking was the number one issue downtown so just if you do suspend or remove that 74,000 just you need to make a a second motion to remove it because it's embedded in the motion that's on the floor I'll approve the I'll make a motion to approve it and pulling out the 74 till a further date if staff sees fit that we need to bring that back to us good second any other discussion on that motion I do have yes um though you're at 148 I mean I I'm all for addressing or trying to help out parking downtown right but even $150,000 seems like excessive just for a design um that's tremendous but it's more than that I mean I just learned some things there it's dealing with all the downtown you know for example he just said the parking lot south of the multi- level they might be able to re-engineer that and create more parking spaces that's what I'm hearing so it is it is more than just one parking lot it's re-engineering it's it's re-engineering the parking and downtown yes everything in that box okay so we have a motion on the floor to to carve out the uh $75,000 uh and hold that in reserve and under our uh our direction to approve or be spit okay any other discussion on that motion all right so let's have a roll call commissioner rean yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner canell no mayor bur yes okay so now we'll go back to the original motion that has the $75,000 now in reserve so can we get yeah I just want to say this has been on the agenda for or this has been on the commissioner uh back burner for years and I'm appreciative that we're this is finally coming to a head and we're addressing this and this is nothing new to any of us so I'll make a mo or I'll we're do a roll call or motion to approve just a second I don't think we we don't need it we've already got a motion to approve the amended that's right we've already got a motion it's just amended so now um one other thing I'd like to say before we had some discussions obviously the uh the partnership bill building and the Center for the Arts building is right next to that life stream parking lot did we have we had any discussions anymore not not yet you have we talked to it's on the radar to try to work in because a big part of that area is you know we have the city property the partnership building we have the city property I saw that department and then that that the Liv stream owns that parcel kind of right in the middle of the of the world there so we will have some conversation with them about how we can weave they most of their stuff down south you know they're not quite the footprint downtown that they were so yeah but over the years we talked about uh you know re-engineering the whole thing and giving them the same number of spaces it's good timing to yeah to close the road those discussions okay so uh we've got an amended motion on the floor uh so we'll have a roll call commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner canell what is the vote for this is for the $148,000 for the stud no commissioner rean yes mayor bur yes okay would somebody please introduce item 5 B5 I'll introduce asby right by title only resolution of the city Commission of the city of leeburg Florida authorizing the mayor and city clerk to execute a Construction Services agreement with DB civil construction l LC to demolish and replace the existing parking lot at the mispa Simmons apartment complex and providing an effective date for approval second I pulled this um I'm not opposed to this but should this have gone to the CRA board prior to coming here yeah no the city owns this property okay so the CRA because we're spending CRA money it didn't need to go it's cdbg well there's some CRA money being spent of3 5,225 from the CRA funds probably technically under that amount I have the authority to do it so all right I just wanted to double check make sure we didn't need to go back so um got a question please add was this cpdg grant for this year or one from prior do you know how I think that was 20 was that 23 because I think our application for 24 was failed it did or it didn't get approved so this is previous year okay any other comments just for future reference I know we just had a CRA meeting so for future things let if we can let's try to get those things on the agenda for I know it's within your spending Authority but absolutely we had one last meeting and it could have been on that so thank you any other discussion roll call commission Barry yes commissioner pel yes commission reesman yes commission Peterson yes mayor bur yes [Music] we'll move on now to uh public hearings and non rtin items uh second reading of ordinances 6 a12 and three would somebody please introduce that 6 A1 2 and three to be read by tutle only 6 A1 an ordinance of the city of leeburg Florida annexing certain real property consisting of approximately 10 02 plus minus Acres being generally located west of US Highway 27 and north of El Presidente Boulevard ly in section 25 Township 20 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida providing that said property so Annex shall be liable for its proportionate share of the existing and future indebtedness of said City providing that such annexed property shall be subject to all laws and ordinances of said city as if all such territory had been a part of the city of leeburg at the time of Passage and approval of said laws and ordinances providing that such Annex territory shall be placed in City commission District 3 and providing an effective date 6 A2 an ordinance amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan of the city of leeburg changing the future land use map designation of certain property containing 10.02 plus minus Acres from Lake County Urban low density to lebur General commercial for property generally located west of US Highway 27 and north of El Presidente Boulevard lying in section 25 Township 20 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date 6 A3 an ordinance of the city of leasburg Florida changing the zoning on approximately 10.02 plus minus Acres from Lake County PUD to leeburg PUD planned unit development to allow a self-service storage facility for property generally located west of US Highway 27 and north of El Presidente Boulevard lying in section 25 Township 20 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date move for approval second thank you Andy yes sir Grant if you would swear in everyone please yes sir Mr Mayor um we'll go ahead and get everybody for the various second reading and first reading items so if you are here tonight to speak on item 6 A3 which is the Blue Ridge storage resoning 6 A6 which is the Lake brigh brigh Hurst resoning or 6b2 the blunt uh blunt birm resoning first reading if you would please stand and raise your right hand so we can get you all sworn in right do you swear or affirm that all testimony you'll give tonight will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth all right thank you all all right Mr Mayor we're okay so candy you're [Music] up thank you Mr Mayor um Anna if you would uh scroll to the maps please so that will show you the location of the property um it is to Annex and provide a comprehensive plan uh future land use designation on the property and also to rezone it to commercial it uh the area is to be used for many warehouse and storage uses and as stated before the property is generally located on the west side of us27 and just north of El Presidente Boulevard near the SP uh Spanish village neighborhood uh the proposal for the smallscale comprehensive uh land use plan is to change the future land use designation from Lake County Urban low to City of leeburg General commercial the second case which is the rezoning the planed unit development is to amend the current zoning from Lake County PUD to City of leeburg P it's a small planned unit development um under the Pud requirements uh the proposal consists of perit permitted uses such as indoor self self storage outdoor Self Storage uh one apartment for the management security use where the Pud uh does not is not um covering certain items in the development process C3 Highway commercial development standards will apply we are applying the dark sky lighting we are applying 50ft setbacks 20 ft on the front so 50 foot front and rear 20 ft on the sides 35% of the property must be an open space the landscape buffer and a fence is required adjacent to any property that is zoned residential uh the maximum height is three floors we are applying architectural standards as required for the development but this development came to us with um a development uh you can probably discern from the name of the project which is Blue Ridge storage so if you look at their color scheme that came prepared uh the site access is shown on the site plan along US 27 uh Lake County did not indicate that any roadway improvements would be necessary for this project the other PUD requirements include uh prohibition on the use of St Augustine grass drought tolerant grasses such as bahaya Bermuda and zoa are required and the development must be on City Water and Wastewater so there will be no Wells or septic systems on the property I believe JB brickel Meer is here to present for the applicant um we did have some changes uh that came up a little bit later to the development standards the maximum height shall not exceed three stories or 35 ft under Section N9 open space there's a request to allow the fencing which currently exists on the property to be chained link as there are significant uh spatial barriers of 250 ft to the residential areas I think you can see on the map that if you're in a residential area you're looking at Water swamp and trees it seems like fencing there would be Superfluous except for safety um so there was a clarification that the fence on the west side is not required to be opaque there is currently a chain link fence along the southern border the clarification is to um is what is required to make the fence opaque is also requested so I'll let Mr Briel Meer speak to what they wanted hang on one second any questions for candy anybody okay thank you candy thank you good evening Council JB brookmire 17032 Johns Lake Drive War Garten Florida um the reason for the request uh to not have to put the fencing opaque as Candi stated is we're significantly far back the if you can see on the map the Uplands um is much closer to 27 we're significantly separated by both trees and the wetlands area there from the residential you really can't you're probably going to be able to see the top of the building that's about it so making the fence opaque which would have been a pretty significant cost to my client really is pointless and that's the reason we had requested that particular change any questions thank you do we have any public comment on this no public comment any comments from the Commissioners no roll call on item 6 A1 commissioner canel yes commissioner rean yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes mayor bur yes so now call you just need a roll call does it need a separate motion yes separate motions for each of the items make a motion to approve 682 second all right do we have any public comment on that item I don't want to get out of order you're good no public comment any other commission comment roll call commissioner rean yes Comm commission Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner conell yes mayor bur yes okay I'll make a motion to approve 683 second do we have any public comment on the Pud for this do we no public comment do we need to modify it with the fencing what's that do we need to modify it with their fencing requirement I think it's it's was it in there I think it's in there yeah yeah there was a comment about modif in for the fence to remove the opaque requirement on the southern portion there so if you want to add that into the motion that would be good but it's in the Pud oh yeah I'm was it was that already changed in the P that change has been made right in the P I thought it was I may have missed it Sor what's that talk about Grant well if we it is it is I just found it all right I think it's fine okay so uh we have a motion we have a second we have a second we got a second on okay roll call commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commissioner canel yes Commission rean yes mayor B yes all right would someone please introduce item 6A four5 and six 6 A4 five and six to be read by title on 6 A4 an ordinance of the City lebg Florida annexing certain real property consisting of approximately 28.5 plus minus Acres being Journey located east of County Road 33 and south of Lake brigh Street and West of County Road 33 and South of Desert Lane Ling Section 3 Township 21 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida provided that said property so Annex shall be liable for its proportionate share of the existing and future indebtedness of said City provided that such Annex property shall be subject to odd laws and ordinances of said city as if all such territory had been a part of the city of leasburg at the time of Passage and approval of said laws and ordinances provided that such Annex territory shall be placed in City Commission District 3 and providing an effective date 6 A5 an ordinance amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan of the city of leeburg changing the future land use map designation of certain property containing 28.5 plus minus Acres from Lake County Rural to City leasburg estate residential for property generally located east of County Road 33 and south of Lake brigh Street and West of County Road 33 and south of Desert Lane lying in Section 3 Township 21 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date 6 A6 an ordinance of the city of leeburg Florida changing the zoning of approximately 28.5 plus minus Acres from Lake County a agricultural to City of leeburg PUD planned unit development for a property Journey located east of County Road 33 and south of Lake brigh Street and west of County Road 33 and south of Desert Lane as legally described in section three Township 21 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date approval yes sir second all right [Music] candy thank you Mr Mayor Commissioners um Candy Harper deputy director of Planning and Zoning I forgot to say that first time around um this is 288 Acres it is south on County Road 33 it is on both sides of County Road 33 um The Proposal is to allow for future development of new neighborhoods consisting of 518 detached single family units the gross density is 2.48 dwelling units per acre uh for the first case the large scale comprehensive plan the request is to change the future land use designation from Lake County Rural to City of leeburg estate residential the planned unit development the rezoning is to amend the current zoning from Lake County Agriculture to City of leeburg planned unit development again this is 518 detached single family residential units the density is 2.48 dwelling units per acre no other uses are permitted in this proposal the lot sizes will be 50 ft and 60 ft those are the widths um the square footage of the Lots will be 6,000 or 7200 square ft the house sizes are 1,600 to 1700 square ft for each respective Lots size there is a minimum twocc car garage for each unit two floors is a maximum height design and AR architectural standards are required there is a 35% of the property must be an open space again dark skylighting is required two trees in each yard are required uh the use of bajaya Bermuda grass is required in place of St Aug atin uh grass a 25 ft landscape buffer is required along the entirety of the property boundaries a fence is required along the entirety of the County Road 33 Frontage it can be a split rail fence or an opaque fence and fencing is required along the remaining areas of the development as well site access is shown on the site plan do you have that uh site access is shown on the site plan along County Road 33 with the applicable requirements for turn lanes and desel Diesel AEL Lanes from uh Lake County these access points shall be Boulevard type roadways which have a landscape medium of median of at least 8 ft in width and enough Lane area to allow emergency vehicles to maneuver the recreational requirements include a minimum of 103 ,000 Square fet which is 2.4 acres and divided into different areas for use by the residents one on each side of 33 there is a requirement for establishing trails around the larger retention Pond ponds which is seen on the site plan and finally there is phasing or an expiration clause which requires that the the development move forward with substantial commencement within four years or the property has an automatic reversion to the re1 zoning uh standard which is one unit per acre uh all developments must be on City water and waste water so there will be no Wells or septics on this property it is noted that the Planning Commission voted to recommend denial I believe Ben Snider of Hanover Holmes is here to represent the case any questions for Candy's there and Andrew MCC as well okay candy I thought there was discussion before on uh landscape buffers versus fence and you just said it's being fenced all the way around is that correct that's a note that Mr Miller left with me yes there is a requirement for [Music] FS thank you commission Andrew Macau with G Consultants uh uh representing hoverland company if you could pull up our presentation we'll go into a little bit more detail is there a k [Music] so just to uh Orient everyone this uh project is along cr33 where a number of other Handover projects have come across your desks in the in the past couple of months and years so you're you're very familiar with Handover uh at this point in the quality work that they do and have done in your town uh to date um some details about the project specifically it is composed of two SE separate halves one on each side of of the road uh on the uh east side is approximately 81 acres and on the West Side approximately 121 Acres uh it is uh proposed to be annexed as it is in unincorporated Lake County and it is in the lesburg isba and I do want to pause here for a moment because I know there has been some uh discussion about uh the role of the isba and then and the uh non-c contiguity question uh to give you a planner explanation I'm happy to let Mr Watson give a legal explanation uh but the the planner explanation is that since you have this isba you have a little more leeway and how you Annex properties and the contiguity of uh properties to uh existing City lands uh and um there are many examples across the city uh of non-contiguous properties existing in the city uh but existing within the isba uh and although there are fewer now since you have been annexing um some of those areas particularly in the uh here in the south of the city uh we are uh proposing to go from rural County uh to um the uh rural estate or uh neighborhood estate and the uh agriculture to PD so this is uh the site plan it is is approximately 2085 Acres with a gross density of 2.48 units per acre uh maximum of 518 units is proposed in the PD although uh the the strict future land use density at four units per acre would allow uh significantly more than that uh we are only uh requesting 518 out of that um all single family detached with a mix of lot sizes between 50 and 60 ft and you can see the breakdown um a maximum of 45 50t lots and 113 uh 60t Lots minimum uh we have oriented the 60ft Lots so that they uh abut the residential areas to the North in particular uh and 95.4 Acres of open space uh and Recreation uh that constitutes about 47% of the site zooming in a little bit more you can see this is the West side um I do want to point out another question that was raised um is this area right here which is access that we are showing into the uh the uh construction landfill to the West um we we are allowing for U access into that property um this is as you can see as you can see from the phase line here um this is a a later phase of the project so the the first phase would be up here to the North and then down here would be this the second phase and a later phase um so the uh at least in the interim there would be no interruption of the existing access which is a an unmaintained right of way um we would come in for a uh vacation permit after the uh after the adoption of the Pud eventually to to uh vacate that road and we would be providing an alternate access to that property for the future uh the other side of County Road 33 is the other half of the project 237 units also in two phases with uh the first phase being the southern portion and then the set the late the second and later phase being the upper portion and in both cases the central amenity would be in the initial phase of of that portion and as you can see we've located to the greatest extent possible we've located the retention areas to uh the exterior to uh provide additional buffers uh as far as the open space plan you can see the the areas that are buffered with the 25- Ft minimum uh PUD buffer uh would be along the north the West adjacent to the landfill and then along the north here with the retention areas also providing buffer as I said before we've got 95.4 Acres of open space as you see in this uh this breakdown which is 47% of the site uh this is uh just a look at a typical amenity Center uh from uh previous projects and then the proposed home elevations these would be some of the 50ft lots and then 60t Lots uh traffic we have um Iman here uh from traffic Mobility Consultants who can speak to traffic [Music] good evening I'm Andi traffic and Mobility Consultants 3101 Maguire Boulevard um as of today we have only completed the transportation facility analysis which is done for the comprehensive plan Amendment at this level we are still in the process of uh doing the detailed traffic study for the site which will go into the depth of the turn lanes and the intersection improvements and any off-site uh mitigation requirements so that has not been identified yet but the initial study showed only uh some segments on the turnpike that was that will be deficient in the future but that's that's a Tollway facility obviously that's um that's taken care of by by the Florida Turnpike Authority uh otherwise um that's all we have for now but again we're we'll be we'll be doing the the full analysis we are in the process right now but I don't we don't have any results as of today [Music] questions so there are a couple of changes to the ordinance that you have uh that we are uh proposing uh the ordinance that you have has a lot depth of 120 ft and we are proposing to reduce that to 115 and then likewise the rear setback in your version of the ordinance is 18 ft and we are proposing 15 ft and that was uh those are the two changes that that we're proposing at this time with that we're happy to answer any questions just curious what was the basis of this change here of the change on uh lot depth and setbacks I I can probably guess but Ben Snider Hanover Land Company 605 Commonwealth Avenue uh the lot depth allows us a little bit more flexibility when working around wetlands and a couple of pinch points I our goal is to have 120 be the vast majority Lots but when we come up to a wetland um and have the flexibility to go to 115 um it allows us not to impact it or lose a lot um and then the rear setback is just a few more feet to make a a nice nice big deep ranch house uh that's the type that would actually max out that depth is a and it's a very popular plan that we build and most Builders build a 40 or 50 by like 75 foot deep pad thank you yes sir questions for the developer we'll move on to public comment we have any public comment on [Music] this uh can I put the map up on the of the land thing [Music] it it shows the layout of the um I'm James Rebels I live at 3430 Desert Lane I also own the joining Lane 3330 Desert Lane I got roughly maybe a little over 1,000 foot of fence LAN that joins right at phase one right there that would be at their that their northern border on the west side of the highway okay I BR some pictures um one on the picture okay that there shows my hog pin that is located on my back fence line in the foreground of the hog pin is the trees the trees are sparse okay that is the property where they want want to put a house right there okay picture two uh the tape measure is hooked on my back fence um it measures over 12 in to the wire of my hog pin and as you notice that it goes down it can go 8 to 9 10 in okay away from The Back Fence picture three this picture shows a post in the center of my hog pin if you notice at the top of it is Square it's a 4 four if you notice as it goes down it gets smaller and it gets round this is from Hogs rubbing on it took a great deal of time to do that okay that shows that Pen's been there a long time this picture here shows in a Hog Pen a hog would go to one corner of the pen and if you see the distortion on the ground that is frankly crap and pee okay a hog would go to one corner okay and anybody and they going to put a house right behind that within what 30 35 ft these people are going to have to smell this and along with hog pins it comes with flies and blow flies it's not a nice atmosphere to be living in and if it rains for a few days it gets worser this one shows my wife um the hog raising up on a pin at her hand if someone comes to the back of the fence this one shows me from the back of the fence I am reaching into my hog pen it' be easy for a child or a human to come walking and put their hand in the back of my hog pin okay that's six number seven shows me I had a banana in my hand I am representing as a child or or an adult reaching in my pen if you notice my fingers my wife pointed out that my fingers was in the front of that Hog's Jaws I didn't realiz it okay I snatched my hand back before it clamped down okay I got great concern about it because if someone gets their fingers decapitated their hand decapitated or anything hurt it's going to bring reliability down on me and I'm going to have a lawsuit on me okay now I do not need that I bought this land for agricultural purposes and I've see this being eroded away from me okay and I thank you for your time I got more to say but the time thank you than [Music] evening hi uh William B Robertson uh we live at 2344 County Road 33 Groveland mailing address there just south of okahoma as you know and um we're uh uh affecting bu this uh greatly uh uh if it goes through if you all approve this um our entire uh North Boundary which is about uh well it is 2161 ft North Boundary of our property is phase three South Boundary the entire thing and uh and we're going to be looking at it right there right there touching our property and and right in our face the whole time uh which uh we're not crazy about so that's why we were talking about uh before uh the entire time we've been talking about requiring them to have a 10- foot concrete wall a real real wall uh much like they do like in The Villages where those people live up there and like that so much um and uh and it would uh I believe it would cover up uh the view uh of them uh uh from us and us from them kind of thing and would serve to uh to uh private it a little bit and let them have their their way of living up there we've lived out in the country there for quite a long time uh we purchased the property back there uh in uh well in 1987 and uh we've lived there for a long long time and uh we're not real crazy about uh about moving into City Life in that respect in that way to look at homes that are that close together it just doesn't uh it doesn't match anything out there a number of people have said if that comes in they're going to be moving away they're going to sell their places and leave um well uh to get on with this though uh I know we've talked about the concrete wall and everything in that respect but um we know we're not against development but we are for responsible development um um we uh we took this issue to our attorney uh over in Claremont uh Meredith Nagel spoke with her about what's going on there and uh and uh she's not real crazy about it she took a look at the FD um uh report that y'all uh sent this off I think this last meeting y'all said that it was going to be sent off to Tallahassee and uh she made some statements about it uh that it uh that she said that fdft doesn't think that this is a responsible action um um you know it's a kind of a thing it's a it's outside of the safety margin for the roadways in the area the the study that they did looks at areas within 3 miles around there and it greatly affects uh well I've got a copy of report have have any of you read the report yet have you looked at the report yourselves have you okay well it shows here uh in the summary it says based on Department's level of service and and trip generation analysis the proposed amendments potential traffic increase would impact overc capacity roadway segments in 22 2022 and 20 in 2045 the segments that they listed and it says that uh that it's says that the facility is projected to operate overc capacity through the future of year 2045 scenario and so it says therefore the proposed amendment what the city's talking about allowing this to take place uh has the potential to impact the state highway system significantly so that's their statement there um the front uh let's see here well they went they went as far as to they had a a graph on the inside and showed uh the level of service and that sort of thing like that as I'm sure you all took a look at and it shows what things are are looking like here and uh they shoot for a level of a at least a d uh level uh of service is what they look for and this uh is uh it doesn't even meet that it doesn't me so it's either an e or an F is what it is is what it looks like to me and so it doesn't look like it's it's going to really work out as far as what it's going to do to the roadways uh uh for quite a long time and especially until they do make changes as we all know typically uh Road changes and upgrades and things like that come after places have been built when they can see what the impact is and uh that kind of thing and so in the meantime it's going to become a very very dangerous place to be I don't think they've even done their real traffic analysis and traffic study yet I believe the gentleman had spoken had said uh and it didn't look like uh they're really doing their homework in that respect um uh we're uh let's see here uh I know that they had talked about having this uh setback changing their uh their setback from an 18t to a 15ft setback and it changed the depth of 120 to 115 which brings it even closer to all the people around like the Hogs and things like that which isn't going to work out real well uh I'm sure it's so to their advantage and kind of thing I know in in the phase that's north of us there are no Wetlands at all there I believe all the wetlands are over on the east are on the west side across 33 so perhaps in some areas there it might might work for them over there to do something like that but um I think that uh um but I did uh submit one one photo for y'all here and uh this is a um the result of an accident that took place on County Road 33 in in Austin Meritt Road uh that comes through Bridges Road right there at that corner one of the most dangerous intersections in the entire County uh We've understood um and those are the three deaths that that occurred there on uh on December 20 uh 23rd uh I'm sorry 2023 in December 2023 um uh we don't want to see uh that taking place anymore and would hope that y'all would think twice about this before you you might feel responsible for something like that taking place by authorizing something like this when the roadways can't handle the traffic it is you go into okka in the mornings right now and you're waiting for like I mean nearly a half mile line all the way back uh so far early in the morning and it's it's like that and it's going to get worse so I mean the villag is here thank thanks for the village it's been great for the majority of the economy but it also affects uh affects roadways and uh and this uh 518 homes is going to greatly affect the roadways even more so I appreciate if yall would pay attention to that and uh and turn this thing down is what I'd like for you to do okay thank you very much thank you sir other public comment [Music] my name is Tyler Robertson I live at um 10504 County Road 707 Webster my father just spoke and one of his neighbors just spoke and um the city council needs to think thoroughly about pumping the brakes on this um the amount of deaths that we've witnessed on Ken 33 in around 27 um over the years it's where I grew up um it's uh it really is shocking and um the city council needs to re realize that by authorizing this you're going to add more to the death toll and as the city council want to know and to also realize once the lawsuits start coming in once people realize the people who die in the car accidents the fatalities families who realized who authorized this who authorized to overload even more so the roadways that are already overloaded so you sent it off to the state what was the response we see there's an fdot report that says that it's already we're already going to be way overloading it into way into the future so that's what we're asking for is for this development to be stopped uh reconsideration um paid towards um getting the roadways improved before this development is put through we're going to see more and more of these thank you thank any other public comment can I speak just again let's let's just for a second let me let any other public comment I just say we've got some other people that would like to [Music] speak my name is Gerald Robinson I live at 3520 Desert Lane on the map up there where it says main entrance the uh where that entrance is looks like it's about couple hundred feet well maybe not even that 120 ft from my back corner of my property so my property borders phase one on the North side the block wall I firmly agree with um if other communities can have it you're going to have uh figure close to a thousand people living in there when it's done um children are going to be in that area they're going to go right over into Mr Revel and my property almost guarantee it we're going to have to chase somebody out at some point or another if there's not a block wall excuse me as far as traffic goes I had to alter my work hours before I retired because the tra traffic on 33 was so bad at 7:00 in the morning that I would be late for work and I worked in leeburg so I had to leave a half hour before my normal scheduled time just to get to work on time something I noticed from the last meeting to this one is they've made the lot sizes bigger but they haven't reduced the homes so it's going to be just as congested as it was before during the construction period there's going to be dump trucks there's going to be the workers in their vehicles in and out and because there's no water and sewer they're going to have to run a water and sewer line down the side of 33 to get it there so that's going to be construction equipment more workers and the traffic on that road is going to be terrible during construction those heavy trucks coming in and out are going to degrade the road even worse which was just repaved uh some years ago after construction there's 518 units maximum it says so figure two cars in each unit going to work in the mornings you just added another thousand cars in that concentrated little area that uh is going to be leaving at the same time next thing I have is where it says phase one the different colored lots along the top of the hill there that's for the two-story houses those will be looking over the fence or looking past the uh brush zone or whatever buffer into our backyards and so there goes our privacy our quality of life is degrading while theirs is going up apparently thank you thank you yes sir any other public [Music] comment hi my name is Mario Nappa I live in Legacy elburg Sun book drive and I actually wanted to talk about the intersection of Route 33 and 48 and 470 I I actually wanted to talk about it with respect to 6b1 and two but it applies here as well because this intersection is is right on 33 obviously but um this this development would clearly put added pressure on that uh on that intersection that's probably the worst intersection in the city right now um I went to the uh Community advisory committee no meeting last Wednesday and Bill leech who represents the city of lesburg at your um request approached the no and said we need to do something about this intersection and and basically they said yeah we know it's bad and actually before Bill showed up for the meeting there was a discussion about this intersection amongst the people there because they know it's probably the worst intersection in the city and U Michael Wood said basically there's no money at this point in time um I guess the the turnpike expansion and the 75 expansion is sucking all the money out of the transportation budget so there's nothing to pay for improvements on second secondary roads at least not at this time so I think we're a little ahead of our skis right now and um you know you can you can approve development after development but it's still not going to help the situation as the roads become more and more overcrowded we need to wait until the infrastructure uh gets improved so that people don't uh get hurt on these roads thank you thank you sir oh can I add one more thing how can you approve a development when they haven't finished the traffic impact study especially on on probably one of the worst areas of the city to drive it I I would be amazed if you do that hi I'm Donna Robertson I live at 3520 Desert Lane Groveland Florida and um I don't like speaking in public but I want to ask you folks to consider this we have so much out there so much quality of life right now we've got good neighbors we've not got the hustle and bustle we don't have cops called out there all the time we don't have fusses we don't have quarrels we have beautiful animals we moved on a property that was an old Orange Grove and we have oak trees so big and so beautiful that is along the fence line that they're going to be cutting on the other ones on the other side grow right up beside mine on my side I'm a tree lover and it's going to make me sick when they start doing that construction I'm leaving I'm not going to live like this I'm not going to have that in my back door was bad enough when I first moved there and the fire tower was right back there the person up in the fire tower was constantly watching people down in my yard cuz we had a swimming pool there's no privacy you live all your life you save your money you buy property and I'm watching my time okay you buy property because you want quality of life I worked in the public ever since I moved here in ' 85 I wanted my privacy we moved to the middle of our property almost and now I've got this coming in they haven't studied the road they don't they don't know anything about it they don't sit out there 24 hours a day I sit on my back patio and I listen to the traffic you have no idea it's awful the semis that go through there I mean they haven't even studied it so y shouldn't make a be mind until this this this road thing is considered anyways I mean honest let's let's let's be nice about this the traffic is too much and I don't hold I don't have any ill will about any of these people understand there wanting to make money it's what this world's about right now but you got to consider the animals that's moved from the V Villages going our way because they got pushed out over there and they're going to have to move all those gopher turtles too and there is a lot out there God bless yous and thank you very much for your time I appreciate it thank you ma'am yep I just want to suggest something right here okay you know to stop all this right because obvious it's not a good thing years ago my wife and my dad and me we went out there and we had to Bear the burden to buy 5 acres of land and put a house on it and there's no reason why these people should not do the same thing okay it's own to Agricultural and personally I think this land if the people wants to sell this land it needs to be just broke up in 5 acre tracks and sold as agriculture they want to build a house on it let them build a house on it because that will cut down the impact on that road okay because the infrastructure the way it sits right now okay I just want to say that thank you for your time thank you sir and I hope good judgment here okay thank you God bless you other public comment so uh there was a question about the the traffic study would you like to address that that it's not complete or you know yes a couple points so it is very common for at this stage in the approvals comp plan plan unit development or rezoning that you don't do a full traffic impact analysis whose primary primary uh outcome is determining the specific improvements and mitigation activities that you will do due to your impacts at this stage uh in the process it's very common and in the city of leeburg as well is to provide a study that shows the allocation and capacity of the roadways and uh and that's what we've done in controller seems to have [Music] disappeared and that's what would be done in the example uh study that was that was provided for this um also in regard to the fdot letter which um is a a letter that we uh the city received in response uh to the uh comp plan Amendment and if you read it carefully um these are technical assistance comments so they and when we met with Dot and uh and staff uh do was very clear that these are not objections these are not even official comments these are for technical technical assistance for the city's use only and uh if you look at at both the the actual comments that were provided uh the comments s uh said that the project would increase traffic at the location obviously and then the second point was that in 2045 there were some segments of us27 that would be underperforming uh they had to go 3 miles out uh outside of the the boundary to make that to find a facility that would be failing and um it actually has nothing to do with this project uh this project would be a DI Minimus impact on us27 traffic and uh the traffic uh actually the background traffic on us27 just the natural increases uh in the traffic in 20145 is what would be uh causing those segments of 27 to uh under perform regardless of whether this project happens or not so the the Tia that would happen uh at site plan and permitting uh those would determine the specific uh mitigation uh efforts to the specific intersections and the specific roadway segments that would be required and um I can let Iman chime in also question thank you can I ask a question I really for both of you but you commented on uh State Road 27 what's the traffic study say about County Road 33 I haven't heard any talk about that except I've heard intersections are inadequate so D do didn't make any comments about uh County Road 33 just would like to add one more thing the traffic study that that we're doing for the site plan approvals evaluates the impact at project buildout year not which is not 2045 so 2045 is the comprehensive plan Horizon year so that's the difference between the the analysis that do looked at which is really a high level analysis looking out to the year 2045 which is not really the case when we're doing the actual traffic study and they did recognize that in the meeting that we had last week and then and then another thing is once the once the zoning is approved the number of lots is not may change because they're going to get get into the detail engineering identifying all the drainage and everything so at that point we'll know exactly how many units so that the traffic study will reflect the actual exact number of units which may not be the what's what's actually shown on the map so can I ask another question sure you mentioned that there impct hey you got to come up to the microphone maybe I heard you incorrectly but I thought you said there was going to be an impact on the turnpike [Music] right yes the there will be an impact on the turnpike it's just the the turnpike being a toll facility they they kind of take care of their own improvements by the money generated by the tools so it's not we've identified that there will be again this is the study that's showing 2045 so again we're looking way in the future we're not looking at the buildout of the project but in any case Turnpike takes care of their own improvements because of the tall money that's generated so what is your professional opinion of State County Road 33 I mean we talk about the turn bike we talk about 27 my concern is 33 County Road 33 right now it's today it does have capacity it has capacity to accommodate the traffic in the next I would say 10 15 years the intersections along County Road 33 will need improvements I I know that for a fact for example jman mentioned County Road 44 intersection we we've already done another study for a different project further north and we've done a signal warrant study there that's showing that the signal is warranted and developers are putting in prop share money towards signalizing that intersection I would anticipate there will be additional signals warranted along the corridor closer to this development from my opinion from my from other projectss we''ve uh done along the corridor so um yes because again with the improved traffic without having a signal people will have a harder time exiting especially when you have you know a two-lane road facility at this [Music] point any questions are there any more public [Music] comments I just have the the current oh Ray Hayden 35121 Dennis Road uh leberg uh the property has not been annexed in lesburg yet it's currently five one dwelling unit for five acres and they're pretty much saying if it that doesn't work out we're going to put one house one dwelling unit on on one acre and it's like what it should revert back to what the county is if you all decide not to Annex it which I would highly recommend that's a really bad place for our development but beyond that leberg annexing all these uh places and everything else is creating the massive problems in traffic you know about 44 you've heard us you know gripe about that for a long time and it's not getting any better it is better with the lower speed limits that's great but it's still not doesn't do anything about the traffic you only got two lanes that's all there is 40 50 whatever the mileage per hour is it has Zero Effect except for maybe there's more cars because they can't go as fast which is actually better because it's safer if they accidentally touch but the dens it of that property if you decide I would highly recommend not to Annex it to do this problem which is just adding to the other problems you're going to have to deal with the infrastructure of it which Leesburg shouldn't have to have to worry about that Finance Financial nightmare but also if you do turn it down or whatever happens everything it goes back to the county which it should it should be the rur place that it is now and it should be the five acres per dwelling house it should be that all right it's just the right thing to do it's it's it was insane when I heard it was going to go back to one one one acre you know thank you very much for [Music] your any other public comment comments from the commissioner uh [Music] yes well let's talk about this this development a little bit on some of the U issues concerns I have I'm talking about 518 proposed units onto a two-lane road um which goes back to as the public has said arguably the worst intersection in leeburg at 33 48 and 470 I mean it doesn't even a turn lane there I mean the traffic's going to be backed up tremendously the the subdivision as proposed would be adjacent to a landfill and the present access to get the landfill is through the proposed subdivision even if they move somehow and get the landfill a different access it's still adjacent to the back of the subdivision another bad idea in the county it would allow 41 units and they're asking for 57 here tonight I believe that's a tremendous difference tremendous difference um we have the report from fdot which basically is not favorable for this subdivision I think we should take that in consideration is this an age restricted community is age restricted you no the new community it is not it is not restrict okay so it's not as restricted so at 517 houses you know if you got obviously one excuse one child that's 517 if you got two that's over a th going into our school system at leberg that's already at 90% capacity based on the latest Lake County School concurrency report going put another thousand students in here I just think this the subdivision just it doesn't work all the way around for numerous different reasons and I really think the commission ought to really consider not annexing this property uh let it if it wants to be developed let it be developed like it is in the county 41 units uh on 5 acre tracks this 517 is outrageous and when you factor in all the other concerns about it it's just it it just it just is is a bad design all the way [Music] around do we have a public comment back there that someone [Music] would I we close public comment uh I'm Kathy amberie 1348 big oaklane you said something about the landfill um we moved from Mount Dora because the houses are backed up to a landfill and it the smells seeps into the houses every day and they're going through a whole bunch of problems with that let's let's not get off on the land because that is actually construction material you're not it's not like a dum you know it's okay no I when he said I was like I was thinking the landfill is on 516 or 51 J this not you don't cut it all right I yeah but it's not it's not a you know if you're worried about smell that's not this is concrete debris building construction site debris that will be buried okay perfect right thank you yeah as a clarification on the CND um it is a CN D and um we don't have any plans to develop that phase until the CND D is complete capped out and has no more trash going through it so the project would be developed we're in communication with that landfill CND owner we understand his timetable we are totally prepared to wait until it's completely done in order to develop that phase so the residents would not back up to an active CND there would be no trash going through an active neighborhood anything you know any interactions there between the cndd and neighborhood okay thank you thank you second [Music] I'm actually in the field of Roofing and Construction in that world and and this is hu's landfill that backs up to this property and huitt has a landfill in The Villages this is a class three landfill huitt is a class three landfill and I can tell you this landfill if you back off from that road there's ventilation pipes coming out of the ground sticking above it that dump caught on fire one time if memory serves me right right cuz it kept hauling water in there it had a Subterranean burn okay and these pipes are releasing methylene gas in the air because of the decompostion of the up under the ground now it's a class three landfill but in the roofing industry when this was being done I spoke in over there in um in uh taries about this we were using carac and what it is in this Carnac it was asbest and so I told him I said as long as it's in tuned in the asphalt it cannot release Nara they had above ground burn there in this dump and I so when you burn that tar off that ASB bestus ASB bestus don't burn it and fibers go into the air so when it comes to smell um I've been in hu landfill in The Villages you do smell it okay okay okay thank Youk excuse me any other uh commissioner comments Sor we're ready for a roll call on item uh 6 A4 commissioner canel no commissioner reesman yes commissioner Peterson no commissioner bar no mayor bur no so by way of that vote yeah there so yeah that how would you like to have that that makes the other two items move with the property not being approved for annexation into the city then there's no no regulations to impose at this point so it's a those those two items are dead move to item seven so let's move to item 687 will someone please introduce introduce by title on sorry an ordinance of the city of lebur Florida establishing the orange Bend Community Development District pursuant to chapter 1 190 Florida Statutes providing for authority and power of the district providing for the Board of Supervisors of the district providing for the District budget providing for functions of the district providing for miscellaneous provisions and providing an effective date for approval second second discussion any public comments on uh this is the CDD this is the CD for orang any orange Ben uh I'm Kyle McGee uh with cont Rock LLP on behalf of the petitioner for the orange Ben CDD and I'm just your staff does a great job so you know it's been always a pleasure working with you all um I'm just here to answer any questions if there if there are were there questions for uh no questions yeah we have some public comment though hi I'm Lisa Hayden uh 35121 Dennis Road lesburg Florida um I'm just wanted to say that I had a nice conversation with um Shelley catcher I'll just say her name that way um and she agreed that this development will have dark sky lighting requirements um as leberg is putting into their I guess Land Development regulation and I'm here just to kind of get that on the record and I had a nice conversation with Kyle McGee I was lucky enough to sit right in front of him so he agrees that that's um been stated so thank you so much we'll be working out the HOA docs with Shelly in the future but thank you so [Music] much roll [Music] call commissioner Eastman yes commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes commission canel yes mayor bur yes someone let's see where I on the page thank you thank you very much yes sir thank you all introd uh would someone please I'll introduce 6b1 to be read by title only P an ordinance amending the future land use map of the comprehensive plan of the city of leeburg changing the future land use map designation of certain property containing 31 plus minus ACR from City of lebur industrial to City of lesburg General commercial for property J located south of County Road 48 West of US Highway 27 and east of Haywood Worm Farm Road lying in section 14 Township 20 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date so this is first reading uh do we have a date certain on a second reading uh November 25th November 25th will be the second reading on this item uh do we have uh comments [Music] anyone okay I want to address the intersection issue again of round 33 and 20 um 48 and 470 uh this is uh this proposal I think is is completely unreasonable because you're taking land which is now Zone industrial and you want to convert it to residential we already have 40,000 homes on the books we need industrial facilities we need commercial facilities we need jobs in the city lebur we don't need more um you only got 28 seconds there is that you short me sorry um we don't need more homes on an area which should not be uh residential I believe there was a a u a development that was proposed a year or two ago and commissioner Peterson was right in that area I think they wanted to put half um um half storage units and half residential and you were against that because you said this area is not good for residential and I'm glad you brought that up um that property was had industrial on two if not three sides and we had just dealt with some complaints and some residential areas prior to that so that did you know impact you know my my decision there um this one is it's a tough one but this one it does have residential on all three sides residential or light what I would call light commercial uses um it's not as close to the industrial and and the other reason yeah this one's different um there there's some few there's development plans across the street so it's hard for me to sit here and say okay you know I I'll consider one across the street but I won't consider this one on the highway and also my last comment would be not sure you know industrial the best place for it is you know on a major road like that I mean this area is changing it's it's going to go more residential commercial you know um and that that's not a bad use for it but I I against the one that was between this property and 33 uh because of the industrial on on at least two if not three sides so that that was the difference I hope that makes a little bit of sense okay well um I guess that that was all my you kind of threw me off now I guess uh well I just want to say then that we we still need a lot more industrial uh development and Commercial development than we do Residential at this time and you know that stretch of road between 27 7 and 33 is probably the worst stretch of 48 that you could have I know you would even request that the 48 be addressed as well at the uh by Bill leech at the N meeting and and that's a County Road and and we need the county to widen that road but you know the thing is we don't have money the county doesn't have the money to do anything right now and if you look at the if if you look at the no website it's not showing that as as at or above capacity and the reason is they're using data that's 2 years old you know we have we had all of the all the villages being built in the last two years we had all of the construction workers going in and out of the villages over the last two years now they're going to do a reassessment in the next six months then of course it'll pop right up to the top of the list and then something may happen but we're getting ahead of our skis let's just slow down a little bit and let the infrastructure catch up yeah that that's a county road I I would encourage you and others to take your complaints to the county we need that road you know Bill does that as a representative of the city lead I do as well you're those are actually December 2nd you're aware of the the public forum with the no and I assume you will be there to voice those you know I was going to wait for my comments to to talk about that but you you have to understand all those everything they do is based on population it's not based on anticipation they they they just don't work that way well what I'm saying is if you look at the the way the roads are now they would probably do something but if they're looking at records and and and result and assessments that are like a year to two years old it takes time for things to catch up you know how slow government moves sometimes understand so let's just put the brakes on a little bit and let let the let the infrastructure catch up that's all you're on does no cover County Roads I thought it was just state and federal no it's the county county roads okay my bad actually they don't even deal with the state roads those that's separate [Music] okay where are we here someone Let's see we no more public comment on that you know I just want to give give the public their chance here okay so let's introduce so well Jimmy I do oh you do okay um I I would ask I understand it's first reading but we can't keep putting he these residential houses onto 48 I mean you you've got another subdivision coming up here in a month or two it's going to be another 500 units there was 248 tow houses I think recently approved three or four months ago behind Publix's on the 48 it's about a one mile stretch from the intersection of 27 and 48 down to 33 48 and 470 I mean that traffic is going to be backed up from intersection to intersection I mean between the subdivision that was already approved and this one and the one coming up you're talking about adding another thousand houses to a one mile stretch of a two-lane road that gets goes to two different intersections we can't keep adding this and I understand the road situation that it's County Road all this stuff but we don't have to approve this to put this traffic on there and I understand it's first reading so I'll just leave it at that just my two cents for food for thought any other comments excuse all right uh would someone please introduce uh what is that six two I'll ENT 6b2 to be read by title only an ordinance excuse me of the city of lebur Florida changing the zoning on approximately 31 plus minus Acres from City leeburg CIP commercial industrial plan to City lebur PUD planned unit development to allow for a mixed use development for property joury located south of County Road 48 West of US Highway 27 and east of Haywood Worm Farm Road lying in section 14 Township Township 20 South Range 24 East Lake County Florida and providing an effective date all right do youall want to do you want to hear from the petitioner on this just for reading I mean but are you all okay on that or okay do we have any public comment on [Music] this Lisa Hayden again 35121 Dennis road I was just wondering why there's no um number of units referenced on this it's just saying mixed use development well it's I it's being proposed for 248 units and the commercial mixed use is about maybe two buildings of potentially up to 20,000 Square ft total it's it's mainly a subdivision and they with a little bit of commercial mixed in so it appears like it's a mixed use but it's really a subdivision okay did I I I yeah I'm sorry I didn't I only have this but thank you so much for that clarification I didn't realize it 200 units or something 2 248 I believe thank you does a does a petitioner want to talk speak to this I think we're okay at this time unless you have okay specific questions anybody have okay all right so we'll hear this again on uh November 2th 25th for second reading someone please uh I'll introduce 6 C1 a b and c by title only yeah 6 c1a resolution of appreciation from the city Commission of the city of lburg Florida to the city of Troy Alabama for assistance provided during recovery from Hurricane Milton and providing an effective date 6 c1b resolution of appreciation from the city Commission of the city of leeburg Florida to the scotsboro Electric Power Board scotsboro Alabama for assistance provided during recovery from Hurricane Milton and providing an effective date 6 c1c resolution of appreci appreciation from the city Commission of the city of Leesburg Florida to Keys Energy Services Key West Florida for assistance provided during recovery from Hurricane Milton and providing an effect date move for approval second yeah just uh uh as a uh a note I would ask Al just to kind of give you a a brief overview how important it is and how lucky we are to have these relationships where when your area is impacted these guys get on the road and come help and it's the same thing our guys and yeah so typically for for us here in leeburg we're typically recipients of such resolutions coming from other places where we have gone out and helped and I think probably For The First Time in Forever in Forever our history you know something pretty significant we were the recipients of of mutual Aid instead of providing the mutual Aid and and it's just kind of normal standard operating procedure that when another Municipal utility helps out the other one we use our legislative authority to pass a formal resolution that thanks the other utility for coming and and taking time away from their Community to help us dig out from the storm and in this case we were lucky enough to have keys energy uh the city of Troy Alabama and the City of Scottsboro uh Alabama also providing us utility assistance so uh upon your passage of these I I assume you'll all passed a vote to the resolutions we'll make a a presentation back to those other utilities we're very thankful for so so uh we just have a roll call for their approval commissioner Peterson yes commissioner Barry yes canel's not here commissioner rean yes mayor bu yes all right so we have informational reports uh there's none City attorney items reports this evening Mr Mayor thank you sir city manager I have I have uh two items that I wanted to list on the agenda I'm going to start with item 9B um it's a little simpler uh if you all recall we were going to be awarded from Florida Department of Environmental Protection a state revolving fund Loan in the amount of $19.8 million that's a little bit of a misnomer because the revolving fund doesn't require payback of of the $1 19.8 million it's a Federal grant money that's come to the state in the states promulgating it to different communities to make utility improvements that improve in environment uh initially um as we we've gotten in the the final agreements and and such that we wanted to bring to your attention um this $19.8 million was sought to assist and and um defay some of the expenses that we've had with the uh Canal or not the canal rather the turnpike treatment plant expansion uh going from the 4 and A5 million to the 6 MGD uh level uh but honestly we're kind of I don't know if a whistleblower is the right word or not uh but as we were review the document we just we felt a little bit odd the way the document was written it's it's very broad forgiving parameters and really not a specific mention of of the plant and and then it had some steps about engineer design and we we just kind of had this sneaking suspicion internally uh between cliff and myself does the state understand that you know we're we're about 95% done with with our project um so as we kind of pro and and and sought information on this the state capitulated and said yeah that you know do you guys have anything else that the money could be used for and our response is well as a matter of fact we do um and so so we don't want to walk we don't we don't want to walk away from the free money obvious viously um because I was going to start to get really super creative with 20 million you know we redo this and shift this around uh but so in in in the spirit of just making sure we're dotting our eyes and and crossing our tees um we now are in the gist to recope that agreement and and and provide some other projects so ultimately where we think we'll shift off to is to make some improvements at the canal plant um there's some things we can do over there with ariation some of the reten or not the retention but the some of the holding ponds for for the ReUse water and there's there's a couple of things over there you know the plant is working but in the spirit of of the the agreement which is making Improvement to infrastructure that improves environment we can do some things over at the canal plant and then we also have some lift station issues not that they're issues again but things that are preemptive where we can get more generator capacity and different lift stations so when these type of events like we just dealt with with Milton come around we we we don't have to play the the lift station Rodeo game as much so we are in the process now putting together a work list we'll get that back to D there'll be engineering involved so this this one will kind of start more from step one with uh and if as you go through that agreement there was part of that $20 million that was allotted for Professional Services so we'll be starting out with probably you know upon approval of this will be it'll come again the way the the body approved this resolution back a few months ago was you gave the mayor the authority to execute the agreement he actually executed that agreement and we tore it up after he executed it so he'll execute another agreement then D will with a new exhibit that has these type of projects on it with estimated costs when that's approved um we'll send that when that list is compiled by us we'll have the mayor sign it or or it may leak into next year so whoever the mayor may be at that time um and then we'll move into the same type of process for a design bid build we'll bring back construction designs from engineering firms you'll approve that we'll do a design then we'll go back to construction so this will be coming back and forth to you but the purpose of this is to say we're going to shift gears it's it's not going to replenish but to make other improvements in the system which are needed any questions with the environmental concerns issues of the federal government um we have I didn't know this till the last couple years we have areas in the city that are not connected to our sewer sewer system we have areas in the city that are not connected to our sewer system I thought we did I hope I'm wrong I mean I all I was saying was just a suggestion to help me sure we you I probably on the broad spectrum yeah they probably the couple of septic tanks out there still okay more than that probably in outer areas um I was just I don't know I don't know if those septic tanks rise to the level of needing to spend this money to get those folks off septic I think we got bigger issues with lift station maintenance there was no agenda there there was no criticism I was just thinking out loud if if we and it was just an angle to be sure we get this money as well is where no so well and so hence the hence the shift of Gears we want to ensure that we're getting the money and we're just going to shift it now to to do projects that we're kind of kicking the can down the road on you know now we can bring that to the Forefront and and make a significant impact in the system just for educational purposes for me but the entire commission what percentage of the city is on City sore I mean you're you're inly okay I'm I'm glad to hear that I did not know that okay C's dying to say something and I can't read her mind um you'll need to enunciate your face a little better um we just went through um all of the properties lying currently within the city of leeburg and we were charged with finding septic tanks under certain conditions for one of the comments we got back for the comprehensive plan and I sat with um GIS personnel there are none what about commercial we weren't charged with that okay okay there's no agenda here I'm just trying to learn something I understand that but if you come into the city well first of all if you want to develop along a corridor Lake county is going to tell you to come to the city and we're going to tell you Annex and we're going to cause you to be General commercial and at that point you're going to have to connect to our services so if there is old commercial out there that we weren't charged with studying it's a possibility but at this late date I'll stop right there that was the basis of my question I'm I'm aware of some so but enough said okay thank you very much you're welcome so more on that to come um the other issue I want to talk to you about a little bit was the surplus of of lot update we've kind of been through uh a couple of different processes and we've continued to have some requests from uh for donation of lots to different organizations you okay there got a cramp all right um but in I wanted to get so this is a non-action item but I essentially wanted some direction from the commission on how you'd like us to proceed if if at all um so in your packets we put together a lot inventory and there's three there's three sheets on it um and um again this is divided um it shows all the lots that we own um with all key number rough address and ownership because some of the lots are owned by the city some are owned by the CRA I brought this matter before this body because most of the most of the lots are actually it's almost an even split but I wanted to start with this body and get your direction and then move from there so if we will have to go back to the CRA when we consider other CRA stuff um I think commissioner canel asked uh during these discussions how much we've spent on these Lots so you see some big numbers there mind you those aren't annual numbers some of these Lots we've had an inventory for 20 years and we've perpetually had to cut the grass over time so so that's a cumulative number that doesn't mean like for example that first one on 715 that we spent $27,000 this year on cutting the grass we've had that lot in inventory for a long time and then acre size um a little bit different in terms of process um since uh Mr Watson's come on board board before we donate these now we do a little bit more title work um and we do some advertising uh which are requirements uh before City inventory or surpluses are sold so I don't know how many lots are on that list 20 30 or so the yellow ones indicate that those lots have been researched by Grant and his firm and those lots are ready for for some type of action if you so choose so it doesn't mean you have to get rid of them doesn't mean you have to donate them doesn't mean you have to sell them but they are ready um we so um so for the first two lots on the first one you is ready the second one's not so if it's highlighted it's ready so that's our inventory list and and the status of it the second sheet is uh a list of inventory and I think this has been asked by Commissioners um past and present what what have we done with lots in the past so the second list shows a list of inventory lots that uh the city has either uh we saw what the lot um the resolution the the resolution will refer back to the lot that we gave um so this list doesn't but it shows the the action when we took it how we took all of them by resolution uh and then what organization received the lot um and then we we mentioned whether it's donated or sold and then the and then um the final um chart on there is uh we have a we it kind of again one of the reasons I'm here is because we we can staff continues to get questions or or requests from different organizations throughout the community on donating lots to different not for-profits and so that that list is kind of the the current up-to-date list from the various um organizations around the community who've requested a lot we have not processed the request it it's kind of been sitting in abeyance as we consider uh how to move forward on this so um you know again there's a number of different ways we can do this we can donate we can sell we can hold on to the lot there's probably a few Lots on this list uh the first one is an example 11-11 Beacher Street that's owned by the city that's the old Dabney uh the old Dabney pool site um and it's an acre uh that's probably a lot that we would want to keep in our in ventory um there's um there's some Lots in and around Barry Park that are on this list uh that again are um larger in size you can kind of um you can kind of tell once they leak over into the one acre site over one acre those are probably the larger ones that you that you may want to retain um and then for example um the the one lot on um County Road 468 the five acres that 5.7 Acres that's the remaining property that's around the resource center so really just looking for your direction on how you'd like us to move forward comments I'll take the lead um I want to get rid of these damn things as fast as possible um I don't care if we sell them donate them I just want to get them off our books that's like it it just makes no sense except for if we want to identify some that we have possible uses for I'm fine with land banking that that makes sense otherwise I say let's let's move them out and I know I created some controversy last time wanting to sell them but that's because we were just spinning our Wheels trying to donate them and uh I'll support anything to get these off our books uh I'll donate them to the right people uh if that doesn't work put them up for sale but I say get them off our books eliminate the expenses except for the ones that we have possible uses for my concern please if I would add um I agree far as I mean the list has been on for some time if you look at the years in which um these lots have been sitting my concern is the processing how we allocate how we determine who receives the lots and until we put that process in place I think we're still going to be going around because even if we sell how do you ter determine who you're going to sell to do you make bids the highest bidder four or five come through I mean we're still back at Round And if you do nonprofits if you have three or four nonprofits asking for the same property how do you choose you say first come first serve but with our advertising do we need to do more because a paper is not many people read newspapers do we need to do social media do we need to insert in our utility bills the communication is not clear and I think it's only right that we consider extending or making sure that the communication is done and that is my my concern and I think that's the process where we stopped after the moratorium we then put procedures in place on how to um determine who should be considered as the um receiving the nonprofits and then the next step was to determine the allocation process do we create a board do we bring I mean there are several things we can consider but it's not clear do we mail out letters to let people know we've received your application this is the process we'll be doing it in three or 4 days wait to hear you know establish something so that we can be true to form and then the commission decides as we look at the request or the CRA for the CRA committee the CRA ownerships we allow I think they should be a part of it if we're going to have a West lebur CDC if we we do have a West lebur CDC and a CRA we need to have them included to be somewhat of a have some kind of skin in the game or a right to say this is our community and this is what we would like to see in our community developed I think that's only right and that's the purpose and that's what we should be working through the commission supports the commission decides and we make the best decisions based on what we know um for instance all of these I mean how this is the latest list but for future if another property is coded or non payment of taxes when they go to this um list for the next process do we say as soon as they're taken we go immediately to sell or we go immediately to um find a nonprofit to build we have to establish some criterias to say if we're going to say this is open-ended meaning we do it constantly or do we set ground L ground rules to say between this month and this month we have property that's available nonprofits can come cuz anybody can create a nonprofit then show up but then you have to go and deal with the statutes and what the requirements are for CRA property for sure and expecially for selling CRA we have to follow the deposition of properties am I saying this right to make sure that we are following what the um CRA is requesting CRA if we sell all our I mean I'm saying I think we should do both because situations are different but for the land that we have for it's developing we need to hold on to it so that we can create further Improvement to the district if we sell it all then anybody can come in and we have no control what will be done or what will be put where so I think we need to really think this through and not just get rid of the Lots because you're tired of it or just whatever but just it's I think it's a one-on-one cuz one of the properties here if you look um just just for a point of reference if I could make um the one lot on it's 0899 1018 mccormic that's adjacent right behind the school the junior um resource excuse me Middle School you can't build anything on what is that point help me understand 013 so why not donate that to the ownership of the home that's there that's just a pathway that walks from the backside of um from from the path that comes to Barry's Park so I mean that's just an example that's just a one-on-one so this is what I'm frustration I I agree I'm I'm I'm hearing both sides that in the meantime we're doing nothing and we got to do something you know I think that's I'm in agreement with all of that so so add one thing let me add this before you go in there so so that's kind of where we're at so we're coming to you we we do have a policy on how we don't it we adopted that you've got eight Lots here that are ready to do something do nothing donate sell the rest of these Lots on here if we do need to move forward kind probably need to get with Grant for him to start doing title work to even get us in position so all of these lots are in a different phase eight are eight are ready for your direction to us do you want me to get a advertising for donation do you want me to advertise them for sale we have a list of of donors where you could donate these where there aren't issues as far as complications on who gets what lot because they're all different but we we did not have a donation you know we didn't we have a we have a policy um on donations but we we didn't have I specifically a process other than folks who know that these lots are available so here asking you all for direction do a sit on it and get all the Lots together all at once Grant I probably I don't I'm not going to put words in Grant's M it's probably six months I would think for Grant to do all the tire work on all of these um yeah I think you know we can get some preliminary answers as far as what some of the issues look like on the various properties and what we need to clean up and what it might look like some of them may be a quicker fix than others then if you all want to discuss this in more detail how Us's bring back some staff proposals to you but one way or another you know the question keeps coming up as your manager I I I think you are ready to get rid of these these Lots um but but you know I I don't I need the majority of the commission advising how we do that so I stand by my former comments every one of them um we have overly complicated this for the last 18 24 months I I want them gone uh except for the ones we want to land bank um I said I don't care donate sell I I trust staff to do the right thing there but the other thing I want to add here and we've we lost sight of this we I would I would put a condition on these maybe and help me out here that they need to build on them in a certain amount of time that is in the adopted policy okay and that leads into where I'm going and and if they don't build in a certain time they have to give it back and where I'm going with this is the whole idea here that benefits the CRA so we're missing a perfect opportunity to improve the CRA by so we're spending money when we could be moving them having homes built on them improving our Revenue it's it's it's getting old it's time to move and I used to be a banker we had regulations we cannot keep anything on our books Beyond five years we had to get a waiver and you know the point is the mentality was get them off your books it's it's the right thing to do as a from a business standpoint so I'll I'll support anything to get these things going and offer books commissioner Peterson let me ask you this then from the first time we received this lot you had one lot on Main Street did you sell yours or did you did you sell that lot or did you donate it it was on 13th the main somewhere on that end it was a lot listed it wasn't owned by it wasn't owned by the city it was just a it was a lot I had it was just a it was on a list as a infield lot that it wasn't used so did you sell I mean one right there at Main Street 27 it was 13th in Maine somewhere that open lot on I don't know anything about that lot I had a lot well it's not on his list now that's what I'm saying that was the original list and I'm just curious did you have the sale or did you have I had nothing to do with that um I don't know anything about that property um I do remember some discussion on it it was a i I remember you stating the value of it but anyway um the next question is I I just another concern is that in order for us to build the community and um make the district grow in which we've had a lot M several homes that be built so several homes be built to increase the um real estate and the value of the property but we still have the open Lots is still there that you really can't do much with them so when we if we say we just give them to a nonprofit there has to be I mean it's understood that they must build a an affordable home on it I'm speaking but all of them aren't Avail I mean there's not the width or the space to bill so we I'm see what I'm saying we can't just say nonprofit but they're all it's a oneof for instance I'm going to give you one more and then I'm going to go on with the move the one lot is on here this is in District Two it's on 2103 Hollywood Drive that's your area um commissioner um reesman so look at the size of the lot it's 2 6 seven well what would you do with that I'm saying I'm going to let staff have that fund I don't want to manage these as a commission I want the staff I'm delegating the staff to handle this but answer your question this is a question try to can't make a decision say we give we we can't okay in order to donate they have to bill a nonprofit well if it's too small we'll sell it to a joining property owner donate it do something or or at least offer but that jointed property maker might not be in position to buy so now we're back at square one we're still on our list of inventory let the neighbors has to be a process let let the neighbors bid on it if nobody bids on it we'll split it three ways and give it to all of them I'm serious that doesn't make sense that won't be you can't it makes more sense than sitting on them like we're doing is spending thousands of dollars a month per I mean thousands of dollars per year per lot that makes no sense that makes no sense whatsoever how long have these list Lots been here just be honest tell me way before just look at the time frame what's the question how long have these Lots been on this list um we have not done anything to until I asked and requested what was done prior to you're not going to like my answer I wish you would give it to me since you came on the commission we've not sold or donated any that's not true I think it is true this is the one we had right here on January 9th gave time to put the the plan in place or something okay you can tell I'm frustrated with this subject we spend so much time on this we just it's really not that complicated it's not getting anywhere if we go tonight and say we're going to do sale and move what are we accomplishing if we don't know exactly so my suggestion may I please ask that we hold six months then and that you gather as much as you can I just don't want we gave you 18 months and and you wrote a plan we sat here iged about it for hours the plan is still in place but it's not a process of the allocation so how do you determine who gets the infill Lots when you have put a plan in place how do you determine who gets it if three people people come and ask for the same property how do you decide which nonprofit should receive it seal bid okay so how how do you do how do you do that tell us that's my question I would say first we do a bidding process you do an application that you receive then you send back I mean you receive an application do you let somebody know we need a if we're talking about but we're not doing I mean and we want something we want these to have homes can we not create a scoring system based off the nonprofit or like you and I talked about earlier today to get these moving yeah yes so get these moving off our books but then H advertise it for the nonprofits and then there would be a scoring system based off criteria that our staff sets and if whoever scores the highest gets the property I'm not I don't follow that entirely but I just want these things G I can't believe we're still talking about for here's what we'll do to to kind of move this along I will work with Grant and and get the rest of the list ready to ready for movement in the interim you know I I think there's there there I I think the commission probably wants to consider some type of donation um I think the donations is probably longterm a better deal for the city than a sale of the lot to some investor from outside the community that you know may or may you know may put five grand down on the table and then the lot's going to turn back into the same condition it was and we're here with before and then exactly so I I I do think I would encourage the commission to donate these Lots um if and let me come up with a concept that commissioner rean and I spoke earlier today about putting together kind of a checklist on on criteria for how we would rank a donation so let me put together that for you and I'll come back I would definitely welcome that opportunity and I have some ideas as well that I would like to share if we could do that for the donation give me a shout anytime thank you I would I would like to get them off the books before the end of the year don't think that's going to happen I'd like to get them off the books before my twoyear two and two and a third two and a fourth Year's ends uh uh okay so you done there boss yes all right we'll have a roll call commissioner Peterson nothing tonight commission Barry um I just wanted to ask also um where are we um city manager with the process of determining the um area and Carver Heights with the flooding that took place with Milton did you is there an up toate with the study of where you give that actually I know Cliff was working with Keith riddle to go through um some Concepts on what to improve W you come up here Cliff Cliff Kelce director of Public Works um yes so we met with Keith riddle we did a walk through the neighborhood we looked at the existing infrastructure and we noticed some deficiencies and we we we put it down on P paper and then Keith went back to his office and he thought about it and he didn't want to accept the work because he thought it would be better served going to the original Engineers that designed the system so we're in the process of digging up all the um old drawings we contacted the old company that does not exist anymore to try to track down the engineers that have since moved to different engineering firms and what we're also doing is we're we're emptying the retention Pond we're going to we're going to pump the water out we're going to do boring samples to make sure it's percolating per design we're we're coming up with ideas for putting Miami curbing throughout the areas where there are no Miami curbing so long story short we're working it it's it's just taking a little bit longer we thought you know getting Keith riddle on board was going to be the uh answer to it but it's it's it's going to be a little bit longer but we're definitely working it and we're going to provide a solution thank you that all that's it oh and kudos for again for the park cleaning I would say for Barry Park it really looks nice and I do appreciate it thank you commissioner canel commissioner rean I just want to say thank you to the leebrook special events in the rec department for putting on uh the inaugural Veterans Day Parade it was really great um I was shocked how many entries we had it was a really good parade and they did a phenomenal job also the lebur Chamber of Commerce did a phenomenal job putting on the burn and the BG chili cookoff and uh this last week the city manager the deputy city manager myself along with Sandy uh we held spark in here from the lebur high school students we did a mock commission meeting uh the city manager did a vote it was a really cool kind of introducing the students to city government I think that was really cool uh congratulations to commissioner conell on his victory and reelection and then lastly uh with all the current growth um the districts are malapportioned and I would be curious if see the commission would be open toing doing a redistricting and I talked to this city manager about that as well so so we're GNA have to we're gonna have to that's I mean we said that two years ago yeah there there are guidelin there are guidelines right here we are guidelines on when you have to do it and so forth yeah it it's numbers yeah you know you want your you want your District Compact and contiguous with equal voting or equal population you know so um they are Mal apportioned at this time B Because Of The Village's growth so um we'll start digging into some numbers I you know if the if the goal is to get something redone by the 26 election you know that gives us probably a year and a half or so to get it in place we need to get something in place prior to you know um advertising the supervisor of election yes and so we probably have a a a year so let us and I commissioner reesman spoke to me about this so um we're trying to dig into the data so we'll we'll come back to you with some information on it just Amer can I just point to that question just why we're doing the redistri to make sure there's a 1985 Federal consent decree that says district one has to have special consideration for the U majority vote of African-Americans of blacks yes did you have something to say m commissioner Peterson no that'll be it for me thank you mayor bur yeah I mentioned earlier uh the uh the fiveyear work program with DOT uh you know everybody complains about our roads complains about our roads this is your opportunity to show up and and do something about it and uh I can tell you right now the 5-year plan there's there's nothing for us you know that they haven't even talked about 33 they you know it's not even on well they say it's on the radar but it's not in on the right written paper no projects for usud yeah that's what how often do they come out and do their analysis and make a comment to You Know The Five-Year Plan is a road ating uh kind of thing you know it's uh well for instance 441 that is only two lane from Perkins to New Hill you can go from the villages to the other side of Mount dor on three lane except that little spot right in lebur that has been a project that is supposed to be six Lane and it was on the list at one time it was on the list it got high and then they said well we're just going to resurface it so the fiveyear plan just kind of is this evolving thing all the time but if you don't show up and let yourself be heard then you you that's what you get you know that's that's kind of the deal so and that's all I've Got Tonight real quick oh go uh since it's almost midnight I wanted to take the opportunity to wish our illustrious city manager tomorrow a happy birthday happy happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday dear Happy Birthday to you how old are you next time you bring Case motion to adjourn a motion to adjourn second we're out thank you guys okay all right