##VIDEO ID:RUxYoq34x5k## e e e e e e e e e I'd like to call the meeing of uh lebur Planning Commission to order it's December 19th 2024 4:30 please stand for the invocation and pledge allegiance to the flag dear Lord we ask for your blessings today as we tackle the business of the city of leeburg we pray that the decisions we make today will be pleasing to your sight we pray this in our most holy name amen amen I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy BL for all thank you thank you [Music] sir all right has everybody had an opportunity to read the minutes from the last meeting um if there's any Del deletions Corrections or additions U you can make that motion if not I'll I'll accept a motion to approve Mr chairman I move that we accept the minutes as submitted I think I'll in favor say I I I'll oppose thank you very much all right um let's go ahead and swear in the staff and if you plan on speaking today please stand up to be sworn in um even if you're sworn in you don't have to talk but to talk you have to be sworn in thank you do you swear affirm the testimonial about the give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do thank you all right Daniel your play thank you Mr chairman I'd like to welcome everyone to the December 19 2024 city of lesburg Planning Commission meeting my name is Dan Miller planning director of the city of leeburg Staff present today includes to my left executive assistant Sabrina Mitchell deputy director candy Harper on the front row back to my left uh senior planner Diane yekel and on the keyboard today sound like a band I like to introduce the band sorry play B from leberg Florida Max Van Allen come back max Van Allen and then attorney City Attorney Jennifer cotch here to my right um today's agenda and speakers ready registry is available on the table by the exit door if you'd like speak on a case today we do ask you to please sign the speaker registry and turn it into Sabrina under the rules of participation the meeting will be conducted by the following process the chairman will announce each case then the staff will read exhibits present exhibits into the record this will include Maps photos and text shown on the screens the staff will then give the background and some descriptive information for the case and will provide a recommendation for the case the applicant will then have the opportunity to speak on a case the public will have time for public comments and the applicant will be given the opportunity for rebuttal the chairman will then close the case to the public and the commission will discuss the case at that point the commission will take a vote and then move on to the next case the Planning Commission consists of local citizens who are appointed by the city commission the commission this this commission here today is charged with two major responsibilities the first is to make final decisions on cases such as variances and conditional uses we have none of those on the agenda today the second is to make recommendations for issues that will be heard by the city Commission in the future there are eight cases on today's agenda two of those cases have have asked to be postponed the remaining six will receive a recommendation by the Planning Commission these recommendations will be forwarded to the city commission for final decisions so today's actions are recommendations by the Planning Commission and the final decisions to approve or deny these requests will be done at the city commission at a future future meeting uh which you will note there are tentative dates for these City commission meetings on listed in bold on the agenda and we ask you to note that these dates are subject to be changed due to scheduling conflicts and so forth so please do check with our office across the street or the city clerk's office regarding the final hearing date so you don't waste a trip downtown finally on behalf of the city of leeburg planning staff and the lebur Planning Commission we want to thank you for participating in today's public hearing thank you Mr chairman thank you I have a legal question real quick um since they've asked to postpone those last two um I always hate for people to wait until that comes along can we adjust the agenda at the beginning of the meeting certainly that way people that are here for that can go ahead and leave yes you can absolutely do that because it's a long meeting I hate for everybody to sit here for nothing thank you okay um we have two cases case number three in the new business and case number four in the new business that of asked to be postponed um to a later date um so I'm public hearing case number sscp 24382 Venice at Lake Harris small scale comprehensive plan Amendment uh do I have a motion to postpone to February 20th so move Mr chairman second any discussion should we roll call that you don't have to but okay okay all in favor say I I I I'll oppos on uh the new business uh number four public hearing case number Spud 24383 Venice at Lake Paris small planned unit development they've asked to postpone that to February 20th as well do I have a motion to approve that postponement so move Mr chairman second any discussion all in favor say I I I all opposed thank you thank you that'll save some of you that might be here for that so in case you miss that if you're here for the uh the Venice uh development off of 27 that's being postponed to February 20th okay looks like I didn't needan to do that but okay old business public hearing case case number lscp 24253 leather leaf large scale comprehensive planned Amendment thank you Mr chairman under the overall proposal for this project this is an annexation smallscale comp plan and resoning the property consists of approximately 73.2 plus or minus Acres generally located north of cany Road 48 and east Southeast of County Road 33 the request is for future development of 235 detached single family residences 48 paired Villas which could be described as duplexes and 120,000 ft of amenities medical office general office retail sales and service on the first of these two cases Mr chairman I was going to ask could we describe these as one and then take the votes separately as we normally do sir um for the first case it's a large scale conf should I go ahead and introduce the other one now too sure okay thank you for I totally forgot I forgot too uh old business number two public hearing case number PUD 24254 leather leaf plan unit development we have two cases that we cover the same material so we introduce both up at the same time and we just cover the material once and then we vote on it separately that's why we're doing that just expain okay thank you Mr chairman um for the first case this is a larg scale comprehensive plan Amendment the request is to change the future land use designation from Lake County Regional commercial to City of leeburg General commercial on the second case which would be the rezoning we have a comp plan and a rezoning the request would be to amend the current zoning from Lake County a agriculture to City of leeburg planned unit development Miss Dian yekel senior planner will be presenting the maps and photo exhibits which will include the aerial zoning future and surrounding land use Wetlands flood zone maps and CRA Maps thank you Mr Miller so for our first map we have have the locator map which is a broader view of the subject property it shows that the subject property is south of County Road 33 West of Highway 27 and north of County Road 48 and then for the aial areial we have the same view just closer south of County Road 33 West of Highway 27 and north of County Road 48 the future land use shows to the east City load density residential and General commercial and then to the southeast and Southwest City industrial for Lake County future land use the current future land use of the subject property is Lake County Regional commercial and it is surrounded by Lake County Urban medium density to the east and south regional office to the west and Regional commercial Urban low density and and planned unit development to the west and North the proposed future land use is General commercial and for the zoning to the east is City planned unit development and C3 which is Highway commercial to the southeast we have City CIP which is commercial industrial planned and to the Southwest City PUD planned unit development for Lake County zoning it is currently zoned Lake County Agriculture it is surrounded by Lake County RM which is mixed home residential to the East Lake County CP planned commercial R7 which is mixed residential agriculture LM which is light industrial to the South and then we have MP planned industrial agriculture CP planned commercial R six Urban residential R seven mixed residential to the west and to the north we have agriculture rmpp which is a mobile home rental Park cfd Community facility R6 Urban residential and C1 neighborhood commercial and the proposed zoning is PUD planned unit development for the surrounding land use to the north we have a rental RV Park we have rental manufactured home park we have vacant commercial and to the east we have a manufactured home subdivision and pasture to the South we have vacant industrial and single family residential and to the West we have light manufacturing vacant residential and a rental RV park and for the wetlands and flood zone map we can see that there is none present on the subject property the community Redevelopment area to the east is the 27441 CRA and the commission District it is close to District 3 and for the photos you'll see that we um posted um signs we have a closeup of the sign posted on CR 48 on the top and on the bottom looking North into the property on c48 we have looking East on CR 48 and looking ACR cross the street South on CR 48 on the bottom there and on top we have looking West on CR 48 and looking East into the property in Haywood Worm Farm Road and then on the top picture we have looking South on Haywood Worm Farm Road and the bottom is looking west across the street on Haywood Worm Farm Road and the top picture is looking looking North on Haywood Worm Farm Road and the bottom picture is looking Southeast into the property on County Road 33 the top picture is looking Southwest on County Road 33 and the bottom is looking Across The Street Northwest on County Road 33 and the final picture is looking Northeast on County Road 33 and that is all I have Mr Miller thank you to the advertisement for day TR sorry with that we move to the departmental review summary the project was sent out to All City departments Plus Lake County government and School Board under the city Department responses the electric Department responded that it is outside of the city of leeburg electric area I don't know if that's SEO or Duke but it is not in the city's area otherwise there were no substantiative comments back from the city departments uh when this occurs of course this indicates that the Departments have the capacity to serve The Proposal uh that's being shown we did also send this to the school board their response was that this project would be uh subject to school concurrency review and which essentially means that they would be subject to a mitigation agreement to provide adequate student stations within the school system um in other words it's generally a cash type payment to supply those so that the school board can spend at the time um that the student stations are needed under Lake County Public Works they responded with a a lot of comments on this particular project the general comments were to add turn Lanes on County Road 48 and 33 at the proposed access points an additional RightWay along County Road 48 and 33 and they noted that both County Road 48 and 33 are considered Urban collectors if you break down roads you have the materials collectors and local roads which would might be your neighborhood roads it's so they were just noting that it's a collect those are both collectors um now specifically on County Road 48 uh Lake County stated there would be left and right turn Lanes needed at the project entrances accommodation for the West Lake Trail because county has a trail plan along 48 on along the 48 Frontage meaning they would have to donate rideway there'll be additional rideway on County Road 48 to can to accommodate any road and rideway improvements and they noted specifically for future expansion of County Road 48 into four lanes so somewhere there's a plan to get that road widened um there's a detailed survey of County Road 48 would also be required as a part of the development process on County Road 33 much the same left and right turn Lanes required at project entrances additional ride away from County Road 33 to meet the requirements for a collector roadway that would include Road drainage and then a detailed survey of the property along County Road 33 to verify property lines rways utilities they also include at Haywood Worm Farm Road the area will become a city maintained local roadway okay um if the project is approved additional rideway may be required for development purposes and drainage from Haywood Worm Farm Road must be within the rideway and internal development retention positive now these are all more or less standard comments but we wanted to bring those out because we do we do have um on these major collectors entrances on each side and then they had their standard comments as they do in all projects of a traffic impact study internal connectivity for pedestrians and cyclists which we've accounted for and storm water management would also be reviewed by Lake the City of leeburg Lake County and St John's River Water Management District um under public responses per the Florida statute and city of leeburg code of ordinances the notice requirements the project was legally advertised posted letters were sent out to the surrounding Property Owners we received nothing as of yesterday in writing um did the developer see all the comments from the county uh yes okay under the Pud requirements this proposal consists of and this is highlighting the plan unit development condition agreement 235 detached single family residences and plus 48 paired Villas we say a paired Villa I'm basically saying a duplex so 48 duplexes that gives you a total gross density of about 3.86 units an acre 120,000 ft of commercial uses no other uses of commercial area plus residential area lot sizes on the single family uh they're proposing 50 and 60 feet single family lot sizes and 60 ft for the duplex sizes the front set backs are our standard on the puds 25 on the front 120 ft deep Lots 18 ft rear setbacks on the single families the house sizes are 1600 and 1700 square ft for each respective lot size and 1300 for the duplex units there's a minimum of two off street parking spaces for each unit 1,300 each uh yes sir um per unit or for two that I believe that was per unit was the design I'll have to go back and look at the design I but I believe it was per side okay um or if it's stacked it can be a number of ways I will get that clarified um two floors being the maximum height six acres devoted to commercial Enterprises which would be space for things such as a restaurant office U medical office um see Office restaurant Medical Offices those types of things and some retail um and that's adjacent to the main entrance on County Road 48 there are architectural and uh architectural standards required there are facades that are shown in exhibit D we're also requiring the standard dark sky lighting trees in each yard 35% open space 25 foot landscape buffer along the entirety of the property boundaries there' be a fence required along all property not adjacent to an existing Wetland or preserved area and then wood rod iron or split rail would be an acceptable fencing material and I believe there are some samples of that in exhibit F there's sidewalks required throughout the development the standard you can use Bea or Bermuda but not St Augustine because it uses too much water requirement um the access is along County Road 33 and 48 the Lake County requirements would be in effect the the main access points will all be have to be Boulevard type roadways that's a landscape median of at least eight feet wide and extra width on the lanes to allow emergency vehicles to maneuver um of course the signage would be the standard 5T um Monument style signage on each side of the road uh Recreation requirements include 1.3 Acres devoted to separate Recreation Area set aside for swimming pool playground dog parks gazebos those types of uses there's also the expiration or phasing clause in there and what that does is states that a development must move forward within 48 months consistent with this PUD document or the property automatically reverts to the R1 zoning district and I always emphasize this because the R1 zoning District allows one acre per unit not one unit per acre those are different different things in the planning world one acre per unit means you have to establish an acre before you can put one unit on it um so this would if they don't act within 48 months to to what's considered substantial commencement which is spending a lot of money and moving a lot of dirt then it it there's an automatic reversion all the development must be on City Water and Wastewater so there's no Wells retics here I'd like to go ahead and read the recommendations on these Mr chairman um for the large scale comp plan lscp 24-253161 3184 Florida statutes for large scale comprehensive plan amendments the two the proposed large scale comprensive plan amendment is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County Urban low Urban medium Regional commercial and regional office and with city of leeburg low density residential and as conditioned industrial and General commercial three the proposed zoning classification of PUD plan unit development is compatible as conditioned with the current surrounding zoning districts of Lake County a agriculture mixed home residential rmrp which is mobile home rental Park District plan unit development R6 Urban residential R7 mixed residential C1 neighborhood commercial C2 Community commercial and M P planned industrial and with city of lebur plan unit development for the proposed future land use designation for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan future land use element goal one objective 1.6 the action on this case we request to vote to approve the staff's recommendation to change the future land use of the subject property from Lake County Regional commercial to City of leeburg General commercial and forward this recommendation to the city commission for their con consideration under the rezoning case which is PUD 244-254 planning zoning department recommends approval of this request for these reasons one proposed zoning classification of PUD is compatible as condition with the current surrounding zoning districts which we mentioned previously two the proposed large scale comprehensive plan amendment is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations that we mentioned previously if you don't mind if I don't go go over those again and three the proposed Quest as conditioned does not appear to create a detriment to the surrounding properties based on the location and proximity to Future compatible development the action requested is vote to approve staff's recommendation to rezone the subject property from Lake County Agriculture to City of lesburg plan unit development and forward this recommendation to the city of leasburg City commission for their consideration um Mr chairman Miss Heather or ER is of land Planning Group of Mount Dora is here to represent the case and answer any questions you may have and staff will also answer any questions you may have sir thank you thank you any questions of Staff before we on okay please state your name and your address please good afternoon Heather erer I'm representative uh for LPG uh Urban Land Planning Group uh our professional address is 1162 Camp Avenue Mount D Florida uh 32757 is the zip um with that we want to thank uh you for hearing our applications today want to thank the planning staff for their thorough um as always thorough explanation my understanding is stand that the units are in fact individually 1300 F feet on the paed Villas each but we can um further clarify that uh at a later date if we need to but yeah each unit each unit yes so each side uh right now we don't have a full elevation for the internal layouts we're still working on those for the actual units themselves so I can't tell you if they're all going to be stacked or how it's going to fit on the lot it's something that it'll depend on on the design that we actually choose and those are still in development right now for the inside right so we have a foot but we don't necessarily have the internal uh structures and floor plans set up yet so I can answer any other questions that you have the th the staff has done a thorough um a thorough explanation of what we're actually at requesting here we did uh see the comments from um from from the Lake County Public Works Department we'll be working and following up with them as well traffic study is still in the process of being completed uh at this time and we're confident that you know we'll be able to meet the requirements that we need to meet to make these uh the lot designs work okay any questions now as far as you know do you know if they plan on a w in the road that there so I spoke to Seth Lynch um especially on 48 because I had that concern with on the 48 side the part of the reason why the commercial is set up that way is that we anticipated that someday it's not in a work plan right now but someday that will happen and when that happens because of the commercial uh in in industrial to the south of 48 that intersection at Hayward Farm Road becomes the main intersection there for the cross through traffic it's not be signalized but it'll be the that'll be the Cross Point right rather than this location so we're we are anticipating those issues at the front end of this project understanding that 48 is going to be expanded at some point same thing with 33 like we looked at 33 that didn't have as much issues with that location on 30 on this location on 33 because of the way that it meets but we did align we did everything we could to align driveways and things to make it a little easier so you won't have those choke points along the roadway any other questions yes I you've compensated for the four laning and then the setbacks uh how close are the home is going to be to the if the road is four lane how right so I don't know what I don't know what the what the what the whole right of way request is going to be from the county at this point because they don't have the full design done and we don't have um the full surveys of the 48 Corridor right now like I don't have a full uh 48 uh survey related to this project in the front of it so I can't answer that question they just prepared him the head we're we're preparing and we're aware of that issue and it's going to be an ongoing piece as we move forward in the process depending upon how quickly the county moves forward with the expansion since we don't have an actual plan with the county I can't answer those questions unfortun radically change your footprint again it will change the footprint if again we can accommodate the the county whenever it get it depends on the development cycle thank you Ken uh looking at this map here can you tell me how many residences there going to be there is going to be um 235 single family residential units and 48 um paired Villas okay and so a total of uh 283 I think it is and the these are zero lot lines no there will be I don't see any spaces on this diagram that's in front of us so what's shown here is just the actual Lots it doesn't actually show the footprints for the homes so okay and the ones in white what's the dimension of those lots they're 60 foot wide I don't is it 120 foot deep I think we or do we make those 100 foot 100 foot 120 foot deep I believe on the Villas okay so those are 60 and the tan ones are larger the tan ones are the 50s and the ones in the orange I believe are the 60ft wide lots for the single family so the ones in the tan are where the paired Villas are going to be so those that's showing two units within that one within a 60 foot footprint because it's a duplex so on the 60 foot there's two attached homes one one building two attached units on that on that footprint but that together they're 60 foot yeah it seems pretty congested to me but okay thank you any other questions thank you thank you is there anybody here that wants to speak for or against all right all right we'll close to the public and um is there any discussion to be clear it's in the county now Zone agriculture right yes yes okay so that means if I'm not mistaken that that's one home for every five acres is that correct okay just want to clear that any other discussion the other question I have was to the east if you can bring that map up with the between the I know that okay I want to see the one of the zoning maps that shows where the Public's plaza plaza is and there's a parcel is that the parcel that we just voted on recently for tow houses across the street it's no it's to the east to the east of Jason correct that that yeah pasture with Woods on it yeah so that's going to be onstead that's what I thought so that's town hous this been that's been has that been approved by the City commissioners Commissioners should unless it got postponed yeah I know I just was curious but I yes I believe that one did pass we can we can find out ton of them yeah because that came before us back in August SE okay well the same old question comes up about traffic uh as we all realize that's the situation on 33 and 48 particularly intersection is a major issue down there and it's just uh it's a nightmare well the good thing it sounds like the County's looking into all that so yeah you know that's why I'm a little more comfortable that they're might be po laning that so East and West not North and South okay any other discussion if not I'll uh accept the motion [Music] I'd like to make a motion to approve LSP 24- 253 all right motion's been uh moved to approve it as presented um is there a second second okay D lack of a lack of a second lack of a second okay uh on public hearing case number PUD 24254 do I have a motion yes I would also like to make a motion to approve p24 d254 okay there been a motion to approve is there a second okay dies of a second lack of a second okay now if you're here for or against it it will still go to the city commission so um whether we pass it or not so and that will be January 13th is the first reading and March 24th is the second reading thank you you you don't want to make any motion to oh we have to do something yeah okay um sorry thank you uh is there a motion on case number uh lscp 24253 see I mean you can't force people to make a motion so just yeah so that's why I I didn't see a need for it but it's just kind of given okay all right [Music] would the motion be to reject if if you want to yes yeah I'll make a motion to reject the application okay is there a second I'll second that all right uh any discussion on that roll call commissioner Kell yes commissioner Simone yes commissioner Sanders no commissioner it's not here I'm commissioner bar yes commissioner Senate no commissioner C yes okay same on public hearing case number PUD 24254 is there a motion on that motion to reject the application all right is there a second I'll K any discussion okay roll call commissioner s reject yes commissioner Sanders no commissioner bar yes commissioner S no commissioner C yes commissioner yes okie dokie thank you now we're done all right public hearing case number lscp 24345 Silver Springs large scale comprehensive plan plan an amendment we have another case that's connected to that so I'm going to go ahead and introduce that as well case number four is public hearing case number PUD 24346 Silver Springs planned unit development so all the information will be provided ahead of time then we'll vote on them separately thank you Mr chairman the overall proposal for this project is an annexations large scale comp plan and resoning on 337 plus or minus Acres Al located on the west side of number two Road and North of Busby Road the request is for annexation large scale comp plan and PUD zoning to allow for future development of 825 detached single family residences and Associated amenities on the first case which is a large-scale comp plan the request is to change the future land use designation from Lake County Rural to City of leeburg estate on the second case the rezoning the request is to amend the current zoning from Lake County a Agriculture and community facilities District to City of leeburg PUD planned unit development misss Max Van Allen planner of the office will present the maps and photo exhibits including aerial zoning future land use surrounding land use Wetlands flood zone and CR Maps thank you Mr Miller the first image is the extended aerial showing the subject property south of County Road 48 and east of us27 the close-up aerial shows the subject property south of Watson Road West of number two Road and North of Busby and mogs bog Road the city of Leesburg surrounding future land use include estate residential to the north and west neighborhood mixed use to the west east and south institutional to the west and low density residential to the Northwest the ex existing future land use is Lake County Rural and is surrounded by Lake County designations such as rural to the East and South Rural transition to the north Urban low density to the north and west the proposed future land use designation is estate residential the surrounding City Zoning includes PUD planned unit development to the north east west and south and re1 r1a a and a to the north the existing zoning is Lake County cfd and a Agriculture and is surrounded by Lake County PUD to the north and west and a agriculture to the Northeast and South the proposed zoning is City PUD planned unit development surrounding land uses include residential to the Northwest East east and south residential Commons to the north and west Timber to the east and south Nursery to the east non-agricultural acreage to the east and west pasture improved to the Northeast there is flood zone present on the subject property particularly in the northwest corner there are also Wetlands present in the same area of the subject property in the northwest corner the property is surrounded by commission District 3 the top image of the signs that were posted shows a closeup of the sign on the property from Watson Road the bottom image is looking North across Watson Road the top image is looking East along Watson Road the bottom image is looking South into the subject property across Watson Road the top image is looking West along Wat Road the bottom image is a closeup of the sign on the property from number two Road top image is looking North along number two Road the bottom image is looking east across number two Road the top image is looking South along number two Road and the bottom image is looking west across number two Road the top image is a close-up of the sign on the property from Busby Road and the bottom image is looking North into the subject property property across Busby Road top image is looking East along uh I believe this would be Watson maybe Busby excuse me that is an error and looking South across Busby and finally looking West along Busby that's all I have Mr mler thank you Max um moving to the departmental review summer the project was sent out to All City dep departments plus the Lake County government and School Board City Department responses again the uh electric Department noted it's outside of the lesburg service area for electricity we received no substantiative comments from the city departments for the school board they noted this project would be subject to school concurrency and a mitigation agreement to provide adequate stations within the school system would be required uh same as previous cases under Lake County Public Works they actually had no comments on this one with the um with the exception and I believe the reason for that was with the exception of emergency access this project does not access on number two Road um which as you're aware is a substandard road so it's all the traffic on this project would get directed back toward uh us27 under public responses we've uh per Florida Statutes and city of leeburg code of ordinances the notice requirements project was sent out legally advertised posted and letters sent out to the surrounding Property Owners as of yesterday say we have not had any public responses the applicant has held neighborhood meetings so we're aware of that under the Pud requirements The Proposal consists of 825 detached single family residences no other uses permitted in The Proposal the lot sizes would be 50 60 and 145 ft for these single family units of those 825 4 79 would be 50ft lot 6,000 square ft lot size with a 1,700 ft minimum house size 284 would be 60ft lots which are 7200 square ft and a minimum 1,800 s ft house size there are 45 70ft Lots I failed to mention those a moment ago 8,400 sare ft and a 1,00 square foot minimum house size and then along the boundaries of number two Road 17145 foot Lots which is going to be approximately 43,500 ft with a 2,000t minimum house size so there's one acre lots on the exterior long number two Road per the plan there's a minimum of two off street parking spaces for each unit two floors being the maximum height design and Architectural standards are required facades are shown in exhibit D there's dark dark sky lighting trees required in each yard 35% of the property in open space a 25 foot landscape buffer that is required along the entirety of the property property boundaries there is a 100t landscape buffer along number two road with the 25 ft of that 100 ft Which is closest to the residential lots has to be planted which is seen in exhibit I believe that's exhibit G there's also a requirement for a split rail fence or opaque 4ot plank fence along Busby Road sidewalks of course required throughout the development the use of b or Bermuda is required in place of St Augustine grass access which is shown on the site plan will be through the Whispering Hills development so this one is dependent on Whispering Hills to develop before it could develop and all traffic is directed through those access points back to us27 and only emergency access on number two road the main access points are required to be Boulevard type roadways and signage of course was the standard decorative entryway features that we've had in the past recreational requirements include uh 3.92 Acres devoted to at least two separate Recreation areas which would be set aside for a swimming pool playground dog parks gazebo those types of things and of course the phasing or expiration clause which requires the development move forward within 48 months now this development being dependent on another to develop put some risk here yeah um and it would automatically revert to the re1 zoning what was the time line I'm sorry four years 48 months yes sir um going through the recommendations on the case number lscp 24345 the large scale comp plan Amendment planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons number one the property meets the requirements of chapter 163 3184 Florida statutes for large scale comp plan amendments number two the proposed request is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County Urban low density rural rural transition and Commercial and city of leeburg neighborhood mixed use three the proposed request is compatible with the proposed zoning of PUD planned unit development and four the proposed future land use designation for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan future land use element goal one objective 1.6 the action requested is vote to approve the large scale comp plan Amendment from Lake County Rural to City of leeburg estate residential and forward this recommendation to the city Commission for their consideration on the rezoning recommendation for the Silver Springs project under case number PUD 24- 346 planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the request for the following reasons one the proposed request for a PUD plan unit development zoning district is compatible with the current surrounding zoning districts including Lake County Agricultural Community facility district and lesburg PUD excuse me as conditioned in the Pud document two the proposed request is compatible with the proposed future land use designation of city of leeburg estate residential which is compatible with the current surrounding future land use designations and three the proposed request as conditioned in the Pud zoning document zoning agreement does not appear to create a detriment to surrounding properties based on the location and proximity to Future compatible development the action requested be vote to approve the proposed zoning from Lake County a agriculture to and cfd Community facilities District to City of leeburg PUD plan unit development as conditioned and forward this recommendation to the city commission for consideration uh Mr chairman Miss Tara tedro of loun d d caner and Reed in Orlando is here to represent the case uh possibly make a presentation and answer any questions you may have okay thank you sir I do you know if they're tied to the Windsong ownership no not that I know of wow okay no sir any other questions of Staff yeah I have a question for Access no I don't think so yes sir Dan um in looking at some of these pictures of the road if they develop this I'm not sure who's responsible of improving the roads one of them looks like dirt and one looks in dire need of repair does the developer fix these roads developer is responsible for repairing and and cleaning up roads on anything that um they're impacting so yes now in within this particular project um if any road is goes within their property they have to pave it they have to build it they have to do everything if they are impacting a road that is adjacent to their property then they have to widen it they have to do whatever Lake County basically tells them they have to do which is always um expansion widening property right away turn Lanes or signals or whatever so the basically the answer to your question is yes they do have to improve the roads that they impact though okay though a lot of the pictures are number two road so that's not being impact correct correct that and and thank you for that point because number two road because it will only be impacted in case of an emergency won't have to be and I can't speak for Lake County but it's unlikely that they would be required to do anything to number two Road simply because all the traffic within this development is directed back to the west to hit us27 by Design okay thank you any other questions I got a question Dan uh as far as Ingress and egress here you got two accesses there but it merges to one let me get to that page 's getting us there right there sure so you got two ways out of the development but it merges to one road at the bottom right well that I don't believe that's going to be the end case because Whispering Hills has to develop coming in that's their main road but I will let Tara answer that one because I'm not 100% sure on that yeah because that's going to be a double lane road going through there from my understanding on the whispering Hillside most load roads are double lane no I'm sorry each yeah yes sir Boulevard double lane each Direction yes sir okay all right okay any other questions thank [Music] you please state your name and your address and how's the baby I've had two so in two years so they're good last time I saw you you're pregnant yep yeah well I think we're coming to an end of that now so thankfully I might get sleep in two years from now so that should be good um Tara tedro 215 North theola Drive here on behalf of the applicant had a pres thank you for this um had a presentation staff gave a lot of detail but I do want to talk through some detail that they didn't go over including some of those access questions U that are particular to this site now we're going to test tech skills oh you know what would help if I turn on there we go all right by way of a project overview 338 Acres of vacant land it's currently in the county as you heard east of 27 West of number two Road and about two miles north of Dewey Robbins we've held some Community meetings with the residents as as you all probably have remembered from the past I am a big proponent of meeting with folks in the area so we sent out notices we met with those residents twice so that we could come back with revisions to plans that had been requested at our final community meeting that we had we were told that the folks that showed up walked away and said we have no objections and I followed up with some additional residents who didn't come to that meeting to make sure that they had copies of the plans who didn't make it and said do you have any comments and there is a reason that we just resubmitted another plan less than one week ago and that's because we had some additional requests that were made so we revised some lot mixes which I'll talk about in order to accommodate those additional requests from neighboring Property Owners you heard it's an annexation future land use Amendment and rezoning as you all are probably familiar the reason for the annexation is because of the provision of City Utilities Florida Statutes chapter 171 says that if you are contiguous to City boundaries then it's permissible for annexation there's an isba in place inter local service boundary agreement uh with Lake County and the city that also contemplate those types of annexations so this is one of the properties that has been flagged specifically for annexation into the city where a property owner to make such request so there wouldn't be um objection by the county since we've met stat statutory requirements so we're surrounded mostly by City properties now though there are some County future land use designations the neighborhood mixed use District around us those are um city and you'll see that up to the north of us is urban low which is four dwelling units to the acre Highland Lakes that 55 and up retirement community is there they have a mix of different types of dwelling units they have some Town Homes but predominantly single family homes so the design that's been contemplated here is in keeping with what we have to the north that's already been built out and also what we have around us uh to the South and the West that has been entitled by the city for development as well has a current zoning through um the the county as well and it's a mixed zoning so about 283 Acres of the property are currently Community facility district and about 70 Acres of the property are agriculture so today under Lake County's regulations cfd zoning permits a range of uses interestingly enough those uses include assisted living facilities Community residential homes dayc carees professional offices colleges and universities nursing homes and primary and secondary schools so there's actually if you go by the ISR under uh the County zoning code and the future land use too that would put about 2 million square feet of a college 4 million square feet of office on a project of this size and that would then go through the county for access to something like number two Road and the reason that we didn't go on number two road is not because there wouldn't be a legal right to access number two Road it was specifically because we were responding to comments from the neighbors and concerns about number two Road generally so that's why you don't have comments from Lake County Public Works which this might be actually this is the first time I've ever had a case that didn't have comments um from public works and I I checked to make sure it wasn't a mistake and it was not um that there were no comments back on our access and transportation plans that's because we removed any access permissibility the only access that you'll see and I I'll show you a plan for that um is going to be through Whispering Hills which we can talk through this just shows you the current city of leeburg zoning map so around us in these um primary zoning areas for puds are densities that are about 2.7 dwelling units per acre we brought ours at 2.4 dwelling units per acre to go below what those were so you've heard the three requests that we have before you so I want to talk through some of these site plan details so you'll see that and again many of these uh planned features were done in specific response to what residents had so about a 100 units were removed at the request of residents we added larger lots and that was to mix up the lot counts around the property we had a specific request for one acre lots fronting number two road with a 100 foot buffer that would preserve an existing mature tree line and add some rural style fencing also agree to specific rural architectural features um and a cons ceptual design that's had that's been submitted as well and vetted by the residents who asked for those Homes at front number two the concern that we were told was when we drive down number two we want to see what we see today and we want those homes to be in keeping with what we see today so that's exactly what we promised and delivered to those residents um as a commitment in the Pud interestingly enough Florida Statutes have changed so that they restrict the ability for local governments to put design features on single family homes so another preemption that came out of Tallahassee um we are volunt barely putting those design features on our single family home so that there is predictability on those lots facing number two road we've also agreed to add the larger Lots on the exterior of the property one of the specific requests was can you intersperse um some 70s and 60s throughout so we made all the end caps on the streets larger lots and then we put all of the larger lots that we have along the perimeter of the property too again in specific response to what the direct neighbors adjacent to us had asked as well as what some surrounding Neighbors that live along number two Road had asked of us as well you'll see that on the bottom there the southern portion of our project it shows one emergency access point on to Busby Road there was one that went to Watson Road previously that was removed at the request of a neighbor and so we had the county approve us to have um Busby Road as emergency access only that we would then if required at that time build out to County standards if we needed to repave resurface and you know put whatever improvements in on Buzby before emergency access that would be done at that time you all did note that there are two points coming out of the project site that take you to 27 now arguably we have made this more difficult on ourselves by putting access on 27 in an attempt to accommodate the requests of neighbors to not have any cars on number two road so we wanted to make sure we didn't put cars where the neighbor said please don't put access and so we understand that there are some contingencies that if Whispering h doesn't build out their access that connects to 27 then we would be responsible for doing it otherwise we would have our lapse of a PUD entitlements in four years from today so that is the same type of risk any developer has granted ours is greater um but it's the same type of risk in terms of at the time we come in for site plan we still have to prove to you that concurrency can be met on all of that long list of things your staff talks about utilities school and transportation um so it can be really easy to look at things right now today and say well you know what about this One Singular part of a road we did that in terms of not doing anything on number two um but we also did that because we didn't want to create any more concern that folks have from other projects that may be impacting number two that we aren't doing anything to so 27 is going to be where our access point is that would be built out to County standards as um a primary access so that's Boulevard style access there there's already Boulevard requirements in the Pud for our entrance features but we would also then have to meet County standards which is typically about a 60 feet of of right of way to get you out to 27 so if we had to pay to do that and just get access rights from the owners of Whispering Hills that would be Our obligation as the developer to pave that out to County standards for adequate accessibility and we again understand that's a threshold question when we get to site planning as to who's doing it and how are we paying for it and those are all our burdens um that we would have to handle at that time and again this just highlights that one area for the uh 1 acre lots and the types of design standards so this gives you a street buffer view from number two road if you're driving by our property there's 85 ft of existing mature tree line that would be preserved so when we had our um planners go back to take a look at what is it going to look like when you're driving down number two road with the preservation of our existing vegetation with the addition of our landscape buffer in the split rail fence that would be the view that you would get from number two Road into the site but we did also agree that we would have these facades um as our conceptual renderings that any home builder would be obligated um to go with this style for those uh houses facing number two Road as well so in terms of review criteria again the compatibility analysis has been done the density is coming in lower at what you have both approved within the city directly adjacent to us um but then also what's in the county like I said to the north is four dwelling units to the acre under their Urban low density future land use designation and I would argue that what we are proposing is far more in line with the built-out environment today and the projected built out environment under existing entitlements than what you would get potentially under a cfd um zoning in Lake County which we could go and submit for site permits under any of those zoning uses that I talked about um and just go through a per process without any public hearings this talks about the uh the different types of comprehensive plan policies in terms of protecting neighborhoods diversifying housing having sustainable style development and making sure that you all have the types of um projected needs are being met in the future for population growth your staff made positive recommendations um which Mr Miller had already gone over in his presentation and there were a couple different points as to why staff was recommending approval on both of the hearing items before you tonight so we would request that same recommendation consistent with your professional staff we're happy to answer any questions that you may have and of course if there's any comments from folks here in the audience I'd appreciate the chance to come back up and um be able to speak to those any questions to the applicant represent I'm just curious to know have you guys been communicating with the developer of whisper o with BR he yes and I I wish I had an update for you certainly would be helpful for us to be able to tell you exactly when we could project groundbreaking but we are not 100% sure but we're hopeful that we'll be able to get some movement on on that project question yes sir you uh want access to get through their development are they is that going to be a limited access or can they use it as well oh they would use it as well so if we built out that primary Boulevard through Whispering Hills that would be a road that that their project would utilize so that Road's going to get a lot of traffic mhm and it all feeds into one spot now well Whispering Hills site plan had multiple access locations so ours would put our cars yes would go through that accessibility point now could it be routed through one of the multiple areas uh that Whispering Hills has permitted okay we would have to get approval from that at the time of site planning um depending on which access points we could actually build seems as though that would be real important because you add what you've got and they want to use the same thing I think you're in trouble it's a Capacity Analysis at that point right that that when we go in for site planning if we are showing roadway access through Whispering Hills we have to take into account the number of units that they would have the projections on how many average daily trips come from them as well as our cars that could come through and other tr traffic that might be able to access those roads in order to design it out you're anticipating a traffic light down 27 the Whispering Hills um I was reading this before I got up the Pud that they had approved did anticipate signalized intersections so you can do a left and right not just a right only or left only you know I mean limited access would would yeah that we that would be a problem but it's been contemplated that there would be signalized access going to 27 so there's a lot of ifs well I mean any development yeah I mean all of them have a lot of biffs right I mean any come before you and hopefully the market doesn't crash which we don't see any we're all very excited we think the market only getting better but you know those ifs were willing to stomach because they are not as Monumental perhaps as ones I see in other jurisdictions any other questions yeah goad seem I always have a question sure um in looking at the site plan that you have okay and you mentioned something about hospitals uh playgrounds everything like the allow I don't I don't see on there or is that that just the preliminary oh I'm sorry so is this in are you talking about amenities yeah we talking about you talk about the allowed uses okay so the uses by right that is in the current zoning you see in purple on this map that's the current zoning of the project under Lake County cfd zoning is compatible with the current future land use designation in Lake County that part of my presentation was to give you a comparative analysis of what could be done by right today in the county versus what we are proposing and that's where the professional office assisted living facilities colleges schools all of that is allowed today in Lake County but we are proposing something separate from that which was the distinction I was given separate I'm I'm not quite understanding what you're saying because in that area the proposed area you have it's all houses right she right now it's zoned a certain way where they could have all that stuff but they want to Zone it where it's just houses they're going to take away all that commercial you know all that uh traffic from commercial and professional well how about how about Recreation Area playgrounds parking spaces uh Park absolutely and all of those are included on the site plan it can be hard to tell on some of these site plans exactly where they are there is an amenity Center there are multiple Green Space areas there are trails around the wetlands um in the back that have been integrated in so those and there's one two three four about five different Green Space Park areas sometimes we don't program those in just because it's going to be dependent on whether a builder comes and says we're putting a pool with the clubhouse and the fitness center for the residents or we're putting tot Lots or yoga Lawns but there are requirements in the PD that Dan went over that would be required minimum amounts of recreational space to be supportive of the units that are shown right so but it's not on that plan it is is and and I'm sorry if it's not super clear I wish this I don't know Dan can I use your sorry your pointer see how steady my hands are all right so here's an amenity Center open Green Space that would be for some other type of Park use that we haven't again programmed in another open space for a park use could be a Tot Lot could be yoga Lawns things like that Outdoor Sports courts like a botchy ball lawn you have another Green Space here another Green Space here for the community then you have trail system and it's about a two-point font I think on here that says Trail network but that's a trail system that's built out for um a walking area for the residents and it might not look big but it's it's actually substantial in size back there that might be a 20 acre piece yeah it's about 20 acres up here that we would have um for for a trail that would be a conservation area did you mention that there was Assisted Living also or so sorry I I may have confused things by giving that comparative analysis but today in Lake County so if we didn't come to you to Annex into the city in Lake County cfd zoning which is 283 Acres of our project site would allow by right things like assisted living nursing home daycare college and university you could do an airport okay you're allowed to do that is it currently planned to do that is it what planned to do that so that's what is allowed today residential what is being proposed in this PUD and I appreciate you clarifying that because I'm very well may have confused a lot of other people okay thank you any other questions thank you is there anybody here to speak for or against than how far easier to I would like to thank thank you for having those neighborhood meetings I've always been a proponent of that and uh I always push that for the developers and the attorneys in the past so I think that helps a lot obviously okay I'm close to the public and uh for discussion and render a decision any discussion if not I'll accept the motion to approve or disapprove Mr chair some sorry Mr chair I'd like to make a motion to approve lscp d24 d345 all right there's been a motion to approve is there a second I'll second it Mr chairman all right is there any discussion all right as uh we'll do roll call commissioner Sanders yes commissioner fireof yes commissioner Senate yes commissioner Kaplan yes commissioner o Kelly yes commissioner Simon yes all right and good luck we're not done yet on uh public hearing case number PUD 24364 Silver Springs plan unit development is there a motion yes sir I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing case PUD 24-34 six I'll second it Mr chairman any discussion roll call commissioner bar yes commissioner Senate yes commissioner kathan yes commissioner o Kelly yes commissioner Simon yes commissioner Sanders yes thank you and I will say I think that the traffic off of number two Road saves us I can I can almost tell you that right now I'm just guessing thank you all right under new business holding case number sscp 24 339 Wayne storage small scale comprehensive plan map Amendment and again we have two cases covering the same one and it's uh public hearing case number Spud 243 40 Wayne storage small plan unit development thank you Mr chairman and there might be a couple of thanks on this project the overall proposal is for an annexation small scale comp plan and resoning on 6.52 plus or minus Acres property is generally located as seen on the aerial south of Hickory Hollow Road West of County Road 44 and north and south of variety Tree Road the request is to allow for a future development of a self storage facility on the first case smallscale comp plan the request is to change a fuser land use designation from Lake County Rural transition to City of leeburg General commercial on the second case the rezoning the request is to amend the current zoning from Lake County R six which is urban residential to and Lake County a Agriculture and Lake County CP plan commercial the city of leeburg Spud small plan unit development Dian yekel planner senior planner with the city will present the maps and photo exhibits including the aerial zoning future land use surrounding land use Wetlands flood zone maps and CRA Maps thank you Mr Miller we see on the locator map it's a broader view of the subject property and it's showing it as being south of Hickory Hollow Road West of County Road 44 and north and south of variety Tree Road and same thing just a little bit closer south of Hickory Hollow Road West of County Road 44 and north and south of variety Tree Road the future land use um shows to the West City General commercial and we see that it has a current future land use of Lake County Rural transition which is also to the north and west and to the South we have Lake County Urban low density and Regional commercial and to the east we have Urban low density the proposed future land use is City General commercial for the zoning we have to the east City Spud small planned unit development the Lake County zoning the current zoning is Lake County are six Urban residential a Agriculture and C CP plant commercial to the north we have a agriculture to the east we have planned commercial and agriculture as well as to the South and to the West we have a R6 and R7 which is the mixed residential district the proposed zoning is Spud small planned unit development and for the surrounding land use we have to the north single family pasture improved to to the east we have vacant commercial retail vacant residential vacant government Municipal and Auto Sales and storage to the South we have manufactured home and to the West we have single family manufactured home for wetlands and flood zones we have none on the subject property and it is next to commission District number five and for the photos we have a closeup on County Road 44 looking into the subject property and we have looking North into the subject property on County Road 44 we have uh looking Northeast along County Road 44 we have looking South across County Road 44 we have uh photo looking Southwest along County Road 44 close up on Hickory Hollow Road looking into the subject property looking West along Hickory Hollow Road looking North from Hickory Hollow Road we have looking East along Hickory Hollow Road and that is all I have Mr Miller thank you thank you Diane moving to the departmental review summary the project was sent out to all the city departments and Lake County government School Board no substantiative comments came back from the city departments and it is outside of the city of lebur electric territory just a comment on that electric territories go all over the place and don't necessarily respect city limit boundaries so looks like it's been the way this is for every case tonight but it's a mess but they do they are not respective of city limit boundaries um School Board of course no comments because commercial projects are not subject to Schoolboard review uh under Lake County Public Works they had no comments at this time on this generally on smaller projects they may not have comments but they will at the time of development and I am aware that the applicant is working with Lake County at this time under public responses per the Florida Statutes and city of lebur code of ordinances these um ordinance notice were sent out legally advertised posted and letters sent to the surrounding Property Owners we received one email with the disapproval along with a couple of other emails that seconded that original email uh Mr Steve Clark I know he lives adjacent to the property he had concerns regarding the value of his property um he was asking decision makers to visit his property concern over abandoned boats and RVs that could potentially be parked there over time um is water source hicky Hollow Road um he's looking for some protected Green Space and newly planted trees and he asked for a wall that email is in your pocket packet I don't know if Mr Clark is here okay um but I'm I'm sure he would like a chance to speak and I do understand that the applicants have reached out to Mr Clark and spoken with him okay under the Pud requirements as it sits at this time the proposal consists of an indoor self- storage facility they do have some outdoor storage on there but it's a more minor component um on there is an allowance for one on-site apartment for management and security use there are no other uses permitted in this proposal um there are design and Architectural standards and they have some facades submitted for um an exhibit D and basically the only place architecture would be required was would be at the front office um as you're coming into the property dark sky lighting of course is required and Trees and Landscaping required 35% open space we got a 15-ft landscape buffer along the entirety of the property boundaries along with the master landscape plan um of course only beyor Bermuda Ora no St Augustine um now the planned access points are all subject to approval by Lake County all areas that are directly adjacent to a residential area is required to have a fence minimum 6 feet maximum 8 feet in height that's a requirement in the Pud the signage is all required to meet the sign code requirements which would generally in this case I believe be a four or five foot Monument style sign so it wouldn't be a giant sign out out in there the standard phasing Clause exist on this PUD just like it does on the others and the development does have to be on City Water and Wastewater if if water and wastewater is available to the property um we do have I would like to go ahead and read the recommendations at this time on the smallscale comprehensive plan recommendation for case number sscp 24339 planning and zoning department is recommending approval of the project for the following reasons number one the project meets the request of chapter 163 3187 Florida statutes for small scale comprehensive plan amendments to the proposed future land use designation of General commercial is compatible with the adjacent future land use designations of Lake County Rural transition Urban low density Regional commercial and City General commercial three the proposed request is compatible with the proposed zoning of Spud small plan unit development for a self- storage facility for the proposed fut land use designation is for the site is consistent with the city's growth management plan future land use element goal one objective 1.6 and the action requested is vote to approve the small scale comprehensive plan Amendment from Lake County Rural transition to City of leeburg General commercial and forward this recommendation to the city commission for consideration then under the request for rezoning to small plan unit development under case number Spud 24-34 planning and zoning department recommending approval of the request for the following reasons one the proposed request for a spud small plan unit development zoning is compatible with the current surrounding zoning districts including Lake County Agricultural Urban residential plan commercial mixed residential and city of leeburg small plan unit development to the proposed request for the future land use designation of General commercial is compatible with the proposed zoning of Spud small plan unit development and three the proposed request does not appear to create a detriment to surrounding properties based on the location of proximity to compatible development and the action requested is vote to approve the proposed resoning from Lake County R6 Urban residential district a Agriculture and CP plan commercial to City Spud small plan unit development and forward this recommendation to the city commission for their consideration uh Mr chairman we have folks here that are representing the case including Mrs donica oliverio Mr Craig Frasier and Mr Matt bass thank you sir okay thank you any questions the staff before we listen to the applicant all right whoever's going to speak for you state your name and your address please hi there um donica Olio with nv5 we are located 11801 Research Drive in alatua Florida 3260 32615 um thank you so much for hearing our application okay thank you so much for hearing our application tonight um we do have a presentation it covers some of the same information that uh staff has already gone over but we can answer any questions you have and we can run through it really quickly or if you just have questions for us we can do that too could you turn that up just a little bit I'll just can I lean in a little more is that better um do you have much do you have any new stuff that they didn't go over well we can run through it would you like to yeah quickly I mean we don't want to repeat a lot of things is this the okay so I think it's [Music] working okay got it all right so as uh as you heard from staff already the intent is to Annex the property into the city of leeburg it's currently in Lake County and to change the future land use category to General commercial and rezone the subject property to a small planned unit development with the intention of allowing a self storage facility um this is our application timeline we've met with staff twice uh before and after our submittal here we are before you the Planning Commission today December 19th and we're tentatively on the schedule for Board of County Commission in February and I did want to point this out this is a context map we have um you'll see the subject property across County Road 44 is Browns Auto Sales um up the street United Southern Bank we've got um Hickory Hollow Estates and then the RV Village haes Creek and the mobile home Village there Liberty preserve to the South and not shown in this map there's also an area that's part of the I believe it's on city of lebur property that's the natural gas facility that's just adjacent to the property so we are AB budding existing property that's um part of city of lesburg here's the subject property again um the access points and the North or along Hickory Hollow Road as they said and then variety Tree Road is there sort of bisecting that Southern Southern piece um you've already looked at these Maps existing future land use uh rural transition all around uh it should be noted too that in that area to the right and along this side of County Road 44 it's actually a rural support Corridor so all of those businesses including the bank and the hair cutting place and everything along that strip is all within a rural support Corridor and part part of this property as well see this area CP that connects with the central parcel is also CP okay and this is the proposed zoning map here for small planned unit development and this is a list of the submitt materials that we provided as part of our application you'll see that we had a too boundary tree survey we have uh included a preliminary environmental listed species report there was nothing to report no listed species there's uh no Wetlands the Topography is relatively level we've got um land use tables we did include a traffic impact statement which gave us a trip generation pretty low traffic use um and we have a water and sewer connection Covenant as part of this development there would only need to be one restroom in the office which would get occasional use and for that um the Covenant allows us to do uh well in septic on the site until such a time that there is the possibility of connecting and then the Covenant agrees the proper would connect at that time when uh city services are available and then last but not least our conceptual site plan which you have already seen this one's got some color on it so you can see it a little more easily um to the north is an emergency access road that wouldn't be the main access for the site the main access would be off a variety Tree Road occasionally that one would be open as needed but it would just be for emergency access the variety Tree Road strip that is actually a prescriptive use private road and take Hollow Road is also private as well and for the piece of it that's on the applicant's property that piece will get paved as part of the development so that should actually improve that stretch of the road which right now I believe is is unpaved and like a compressed Lime Rock um the access then is off VAR Tree Road there's a tiny parking area adjacent to the office and as Mr Miller pointed out there would be architectural requirements for that office space um you would come in there from the south you would enter the Gated access and then enter into the rest of the development and move uh throughout those buildings in there all the buildings are one story um and as was mentioned previously there would be an 8ft high wall opaque wall it would be I don't know we've discussed um it could be wood it could be vinyl it could even be like a faux stone so the applicant is open to a lot of different possibilities but it's not going to be like a chain link fence with like fabric attached to it I think that was one of the questions that we were asked when we spoke with Mr Clark um there is going to be a 15 foot buffer landscape buffer surrounding the entire property and those buffer requirements however many trees and shrubs per 100 linear feet are listed in the Spud so it should be heavily landscaped on all perimeter sides and so the way that would look from the residential side is you would see the landscape first then you would see the opaque wall and then you wouldn't see anything beyond that on the other side is the development and as I mentioned all those buildings are going to be one-story buildings um as far as other site development data uh what is typically allowed in CP zoning is up to 2.0 F Flor a ratio this is only 0.4 F so less than one and the total impervious area that's typically required would be 80% and we are well below that at 60% um the storm storm water is as shown in the Northeast area that's a bit of a low area of the site so that's the best spot to put it and then there would be storm water across variety Tree Road it's colored in blue but it's not going to be wet it's probably going to be dry storm water until we do Geotech we won't know but more than likely this would just be a grass Basin again surrounded by some buffering and with that hopefully I was wasn't too fast or too slow please let let us know if you have any questions I've got Craig braer here with me no no okay great thank you thank you so much all right I know we have a couple three people so far that want to speak has everybody that's going to speak been sworn in you cannot speak unless you you weren't here at the beginning of the meeting all right if you Haven been sworn in please stand again or stand first time sworn in please swear the whole okay all right uh Kenneth McDuffy state your name and your address please uh my name is Kenneth McDuffy uh 9742 variety Detroit Road alburg Florida thanks um uh I appreciate you all uh hearing me out tonight thank you uh I just variety Tree Road is our only access um to the back of our home and our property and so I I just wanted to make sure that that wasn't going to be compromised um as well as um any blockage or anything that would cause us from me you know having clear uh a clearly right away to our our property um as of right now that is our only um entrance to our property we don't have another way or or or if they are willing to make us another way uh we listen to that as well but that is our only um way into our property um so uh we were currently working with trying to uh get that property uh with an easement at at the front of that road so we can do some more uh work on our property um and then um I guess that was compromised because of this so uh we just wanted to get that clarified and um so we can continue uh to live there thank you any questions of the thank you okay thank thank you sir did you want to address something do you need to answer that question yeah if you would yeah just thank you Mr chair Don again um there will be no Li the access will not be limited on that road Vari Tree Road will still exist it's going to get paved along that strip that's on the parcel so they will still be able to access their property and in fact that road will now be paved so it might be a little nicer pulling off of County Road 44 oh one other note we have talked to somebody in Lake County about County Road 44 we know that that is going to be widened at some point we took that into consideration in our site plan so you'll see if you look at it up close that there's a line allowing for that space and again that space from cood 44 all the way up to the property line will be paved so there won't be any access issues at all for the residents to the West okay thank you oh FYI um you'll be coming to the city commission not the County Commission I'm sorry did I say that we've had a couple of public sorry about that we've had a couple public hearings thank you thank you so much thanks so will that be a legal ease yeah you'll have access they're going to PVE it even okay uh Donald Shoemaker hello hello oops uh my property is uh pretty much all along the uh east side or west side of the storage unit it goes all the way from Hickory Hollow Road down to variety tree and uh we talked about this species report uh as far as wildlife and whatnot there's Eagles over there there's we've seen bear sightings uh there's Turtles over there and uh Eagles and uh we're really concerned about overdevelopment and taking away the wildlife uh habitat and uh that's one reason I'm against it and um is there going to be any uh air conditioned spaces or condition U units there okay why instead of her coming up every time we'll just we'll just keep track of these questions and then she'll come up and you know closing and answer all of them at the same time and as far as the emergency EX onto Hickory Hollow Road the Lake County just approved about a year ago uh emergency exit for height Hanes Creek Village RV and they've got emergency action act uh access onto Hickory Hall Road but their Gates always open you know they can come and go as as they please you know and I've got a picture of their gate all open all day today you know so that's another concern um the trees um somebody was saying that the trees were going to be placed 100 foot apart we would like to see them placed 50 foot apart you know I mean 100 foots long distance for a tree and Landscaping you know and uh who's to maintain that space that green space there you know I've got a I got a stockade fence on my prop property and now they're putting another fence on their property there's going to be a 15t space there that needs to be maintained by someone by them you know what kind of whoever owns it would need to and what kind of landscaping is this going to be I mean you kind of need a more detail if it is uh going to be air conditioned space what about the noise and humming of the air conditioners you know those things aren't quiet and and uh whatnot so and the NightLight um what is this NightLight stuff I don't I don't understand what kind of light the lights will be set up where it only Shines on their property it'll be blocked it'll block away from the property around it but I mean as far as focused as far as going out and seeing stars and stuff that's pretty much going to be gone well if you're on their property yeah no if I'm on my property okay well I'm not going to argue with you yeah you know so uh your time's up you know okay time's up okay uh state your name and your address Donald Shaker 9823 Hickory Hall Road leberg floor okay thank you y all right wait we got one [Music] more state your name and address my name Steve Clark I live at 9844 um Hickory Hollow Road which is the property that's affected by two sides so I'm I'd say along with da I'm probably the most affected of anybody um I think zoning you know exist just to give you a background I'm a licensed realtor for 20 years so I understand sales and understand values and I I purchased this property I think just over two two to three years ago I spent two years um gutting the property making this house um as neighbors could probably say one of the best ones in the neighborhood um so I put quite the investment into it with the expectation that the zoning wasn't going to change on that neighboring property the East is is residential and they're asking for that to be a a giant 155 foot storage building for me to look out every day um and I understand the the fencing that's been proposed is 6 to8 ft but the building's going to be 13 ft high and it's going to be run basically it's going to be two buildings from what I've seen on the the sketch that I'm looking at one behind and one beside and with the lighting and like Don mentioned the lighting um the noise from the air conditioning I'm assuming that the compressors are outside the units either on the roof or hopefully they're not on the property line I'm not sure where they're going to be located but there's no way it's going to be the property that it is today and um you know I didn't put my money into it to lose my money so I guess there's only two scenarios that I would personally um um support this type of project and that would be um if they were to buy me out for a reasonable amount or um or uh you know maybe part of part owner of the storage business for 10% or something but other than that I can't see how I'm not going to lose from this even if they do a great job with the wall and and the Landscaping the lighting the noise the traffic every every bit of it I'm going to lose money and I'm not not sure why you know I'm going to be affected I guess that's my my thoughts okay thank you we got two more CL up okay sorry keep track Lisa is it Hayden I should know by now but hi I'm Lisa Hayden I live at 35121 Dennis Road in leberg um I was just wondering why we're looking to um expand Le ber and possibly you know harm some property values of people who live there who have invested in their homes so I was looking to see um why we would want to have a self storage in that area there is one three and a half miles away right on County Road 44 um that is compass Self Storage um that um has 15 units available right now there's also another dozen Self Storage that just easily quickly found in leeburg within you you know maybe a 10 15 minute drive from this self storage facility so that's what I I have an issue with is if it was something that was bringing something to the community that would be a great idea and also that it's not within the um the leberg electric grid um it seems like it's kind of like a little bit of an Outreach I know it's part of the isba but these are my concerns that were just accumulating land and possibly you know Mally affecting people who live there already for nothing that's going to bring to the community something special or interesting for us thank you so much for your time thank you and Raymond state your name and address please thank you uh Ray Hayden uh 35121 Dennis Road uh leberg Florida three is it 347 okay 34788 uh my uh my point about the property here is and of course we don't get the larger view of the whole thing but that's 44 there west of 44 is going out to Lake Griffin and we live there and uh we're on uh we're on 20 acres and that that area needs to be five acres of land per house and there's nothing less than that over there except for a couple areas that had been there for a very long time and the new area north of there which is going to be built with hundreds of houses that was built by DR Horton or or whoever they are across the street there's going to be some other things that they kind of don't know what they're doing yet but they might have commercial kind of thing there that would be great for the other side of the road where they've already cleared out and leveled all those trees these trees these trees are fine and they do have the wildlife there there are Eagles or our tortoises and everything else you know you're not going to tell me they're not because we have them on our yard but the other thing is that and the county knows and the city commission knows as well that that side of 44 we've already seen enough we've already had enough you know uh influx and problems with that that's on the east side of 44 all those new homes have been built up and we've had the water problems and this and that and other I don't expect half of those problems to come from a facility like this but it it's simply honestly it's just on the wrong side of the road we keep getting everybody trying to intrude in on that area which is protected Wetlands further out I mean there's no Wetlands on this particular property that I can see but they are going to have to dig under the road to get access to that other little wet that overflow area they're going to have to put put something under the road to get that but the other thing is that um you know we're all we're all natural land out there I mean there's nobody next to us or everything else and this commercial facility while they're allowed and that is commercial property there and that is a bank over there somewhere too I believe but you know it's just it's just the wrong side of the road it's the wrong kind of property in this area and unfortunately our neighbors is going to have to pay a bad price for that and it's just getting closer and closer to us when everybody comes in and I know you don't deal with the annexation I believe itself so I'll have to talk to the city Commission on that but I don't think it should be annexed into lebur either but thank you for your time thank you was there anybody else you want to come up and address any that okay let me see if I can uh state your name again just donica Olio nv5 representative for the applicant uh I think the first question was about uh wildlife and as I mentioned we do have an a natural resource and listed species assessment um there as he mentioned there are bald eagles about a mile away and there's a required buffer area that's only about 660 ft um it's a protection Zone required by the Florida Wildlife and we're well far away from that so it it wouldn't apply to this property in this case and no listed species as I mentioned were uh found or no endangered species were found on the property at the time of the Assassin so we do have that information if anyone wants to look at it farther um as far as the air conditioning there will be air conditioned units um there probably will be compressors but it they're not necessarily going to be lined up all along the wall and um every home in the neighborhood probably has a compressor as well it's just part of having an air conditioned unit but everything will be interior there's not going to be any outside air conditioning systems running does that make sense um there will be a com compressor for the building but it's not going to be any louder than any other compressor that you might have on your home what we're not we're not going to get into a back and forth discussion across the room here did that clarify yeah everything's interior sorry thank you so much Craig for clarifying that everything will be interior including the compressors everything's interior to the building I'll I'll let Matt come up here and answer that question I didn't have all the full information so hang on can I move on to the other things and we'll come back to that okay um the emergency access gate to the north will always be closed for security I know that in the case of the neighbors to the north they were concerned about that staying open but for this property they want it to be fully secure they want it to be fully fenced and they don't want people coming onto the property without their permission or approval so that is always going to stay closed there would probably be a nox box or something like that at that end in case of like fire truck access so it's not going to be wide open for anyone to go um trees uh there are five trees required per 100 linear feet that is listed in the Spud document that's a requirement by the city and uh there's also a certain number of shrubs per 100 linear feet so that 100 foot that you heard was really the length of space where the trees and shrubs are described in that section of the code um it would I think that would put them about 20 ft apart which is perfect for a canopy sprad spread so that should keep everything nice and dense as it grows in uh let's see who will maintain the landscape the homeowner I mean the property owner in this case would maintain the landscape dark sky requirements yes there would be full cut off lights for all the requirements in the Spud and um there shouldn't be any nighttime use of this site this is like a quiet low trffic um use that's typically compatible with rural areas for that exact reason it's secured it's fenced no one's going to be there all night like a any other type of bar or um restaurant let's see um this use supports any type of home renovation buying and selling of property renting or moving Life Changes such as marriage and divorce traveling and even though now there are some other units that are available there's a lot of development Happening Here orange Bend Liberty preserve there's going to be an increased demand for this type of helpful ancillary use so um I think that covered all the questions and then let me have Matt come up okay and answer the question about the air conditioning yeah you can come [Music] up I do state your name and your address please my name is uh Matt bass I live at 16868 Northwest 100 100th Avenue new road reic so typically on all these uh facilities to address um I don't believe I know the name of the individual but uh concerning the AC's these are divided up into 2500 squ foot uh units within the building at the entrance of every 25 foot uh square foot uh section there's typically a 5 by10 Section so it's always a 5x5 opening to get to the door and within there there's a 2 and 1/2 ton AC unit that will be located within that uh off to the left or the right of the entrance door so it is under the roof but it is outside uh those always face the drive a location which would put uh the the AC units I believe that's 155 ft further away from the neighbor's property uh so when you add that to the additional buffer there as well uh they'll be substantially further away and uh for those of you who do not know a 2 and ton unit is much smaller than the average home so uh you know these being climate controlled they're not capable of uh getting to the point of you know we're not trying to keep it 60 degrees we're just trying to keep it cool enough so we're not uh allowing mold Milo or anything like that you know if someone's you're putting your belongings in there you don't want them come back six months later and there's Milo or mold all over them I mean that's just no one wants that uh the facility doesn't want it uh and certainly that's how you don't get repeat business with that [Music] uh I believe uh everyone else's questions seem to be uh for the most part answered I know the road uh on Hickory uh a variety tree it will be a widened from its current state uh right now it's a fairly narrow uh Lime Rock Road which so it'll be paved and uh I believe everyone's uh questions may be answered uh you guys have anything I've got a question the variety Tree Road is that a uh who owns that the the ground underneath that uh so we looked into that quite heavily at the beginning of this project and uh because we were trying to find access and easement and then uh the more we searched we found out it belongs to us actually uh and okay your proper line includes the South Boundary of the road is that what you you want mind if uh Craig Craig is much uh he was in charge of this part of the uh of the research okay thank you stick your name and your address please absolutely Craig brazer was chw 11801 Research Drive elat Florida yeah uh attorneys uh when looking into issue of title we're trying to determine you know what the if we you know our our original concern was do we have the right to use this road is it a private easement do we have access to it and it came back that it's actually there's really it's just a road that has existed it's being used but it is part of this parcel there is nothing that takes this out of the parcel so even that Basin to the south of it is part of this site as well so to further guarantee access through it to make that clear an access easement will be Public Access easement can be placed over that to guarantee access for everyone to the West because right now it is just a road by use only there's no property rights guaranteeing that as use I would like to see that absolutely no we've we've agreed we talked to those Property Owners beforehand and that's something we've always considered at first we were just concerned do we have the right to use it for Access because we've always wanted the access to be located here uh because the road to the north is not in condition to handle you know much more additional traffic it's a private road as well with again we didn't know if we wanted if we would have access to that even though part of the pave road to the north is lo also located within the site but um we have always wanted our primary and only access to be to the South with emergency access only being to the north cool thank you all right appreciate any other questions from all right we'll close to the public and render a decision any discussion before we someone makes a motion um presly the land is a wooded parcel is that correct or am I wrong is it it sounds like there's trees on it yes in in the process of of coming up with your site plan uh on that West boundary is that a wooded area there and can you preserve as many trees in there in that 25 foot area that's got to be we'll open it back up to I'd like to se I think that's important to the surrounding Property Owners thank you Mr chair there is already a note on our conceptual site plan that any trees that fall within those buffer zones that are in good condition would be preserved okay thank you thank you okay we'll close the public again is there any more discussion or is there a motion to be made yes sir Mr chair I would like to make a motion to approve sscp d24 d339 okay and is that with the with the um we doing it together well no is that with the uh granting the access to the the easement access yes or however word it yes and with the word of granting with the easan act that that Mr McDuff talked about okay thank you is there a second I'll second that okay is there any more discussion roll call commissioner bar yes yes commissioner sen yes commissioner C yes commissioner Kell yes commissioner yes commissioner Sanders yes okay public hearing case number Spud 24340 uh Wayne storage small plan unit development um we have any discussion or a motion on that yes sir Mr chair I'd like to make a motion to approve sp-24 d34 zero all right I'll second that okay motion's been made and seconded any discussion roll call commission sen yes commission yes commission Kelly yes commiss Sanders yes yes okay thank you very [Music] much any other business need be brought up before the commission yes sir we have one other item oh yeah the on the agenda tonight we'll go through that quickly for you okay let's let's hang for just a second please take it outside if you get to talk I like that guy um okay go ahead we introduce our keyboard is smash Van Allen I wanted to show tell you on drums uh candy Harper tonight just going to talk to us about the live local act um basically what we wanted to do basically what we wanted to do Mr chairman was to um go over the live local act that's roughly we want to go at a high level here because um there have been some changes in the legislature past couple of years there's been some um legislation that changes how things can be done in certain zoning districts in certain conditions and so we just want to ask candy to talk about that for a moment we will we may be coming back in the future with some more information about that candy if you wanted to go ahead please thank you Mr Miller um the live local act originally came from the state legislature in um 2023 it is an effort to provide affordable housing throughout the state um during the 2023 legislative session the live local Act was adopted which allows live local act housing projects to be constructed on any land in a city or county that is Zed commercial industrial or mixed use during the 2024 legislative session the legislature modified the 2023 live local act to preempt certain standard zoning regulation such as density Building height floor area area ratio and under certain conditions parking requirements in 2023 they threw the door open to say here come develop in 2024 they said no only these items um the thing with um the live local Act of 2024 if you meet certain conditions under 166 there will be no public notice there will be no public hearing and there will be no public comment even as the number of units may increase adjacent to your neighborhood the height of your of adjacent buildings may increase and the floor area ratio may increase while the parking requirements May decrease the city of leeburg is required to publish on its website a document that will provide guidelines for submission and approval of the live local act 2024 projects the document will be entitled expectations for administrative approval of live local act 2024 projects pursuant to requirements in chapter 166 do415 affordable housing 2024 administrative approval means that the requirements in the expectation documents have been met and the live local act 2024 project may move forward to site plan review by City technical staff and if the site plan is approved move to Construction and building permitting the document before you tonight is in draft form since I originally put this together I have seen a a webinar that was very formative from a couple of lawyers and I am now I'm not sure how to take that statement that's kind of a double I I am now rewriting it and fleshing it out a little more n taken I just call um the finalized expectation document will come before this board early in 2025 for review it is expected that the expectations document will be adopted into the City's code of ordinances and posted to the city's web page shortly thereafter because it is required by Statute so if you read 166 and you see Mr developer you can do this if the site plan they have to submit to us will have a special name it's going to be called the Liv local act 2024 development site plan so that everyone knows what this instrument is and if they check off every box in there then they're deemed complete and they can move straight to site plan and then into [Music] construction okay yes sir but it still needs administrative approval administrative approval yes sir not City commission approval in in other words Mr chair um I just turned it on I thought the meeting was over if if a person has control I.E ownership or um affidavit some type of control over a place of property that is zoned commercial or industrial if they want to place residential units meaning apartments on that property as long as a percentage I think it's 40% or something 40% is 40% thank you is um deemed affordable by the state what this does and please correct me City attorney if I'm wrong here what this does is allows them or exempts them from the zoning review which means they're exempt from sign posting surrounding property owner letters this hearing from the Planning Commission and City Commission Now um this was passed by the legislature and um what it allows the development Community to do is go straight to the site plan forget about this public process but to get to that process they have to come before us right no Oh I thought they had fill that out they fill out that form that candy has been working on very hard required by chapter 166 Florida Statutes they fill out that information form then they can come to the city and drop a roll of plans and say I'm going to build this but wait there's more they get to use the highest density within the city limits doesn't matter where they are they get to use remind me of some of these benefits candy if you would well that's where it gets a little ticklish height the height size the the height of the building is the can be as high as the within one mile radius I think I'm sorry I don't have that the permitted height that's allowable within one mile of the proposed development would be allowed and then the highest density that's allowed within the jurisdiction the highest talking about this coming th this the highest density allowed in our jurisdiction is 30 units per acre and it's that's in the Villages the highest Outside The Villages is 25 which is downtown um and the problem that staff sees with it can only speak for sta staff is that it eliminates the public process I don't enjoy nasty rough public hearings anymore than anyone else does it's called democra but it's democracy and democracy is a nasty dirty thing and when you eliminate part of it I think that is wrong and I will stop right there but I think candy has done a very good job of putting together this list it complies with State Statute and we will require anyone who wishes to use Liv local to go by it to the dotted T and for it sir I'd like to have a list of who voted for it myself I think it was a unanimous decision in Tallahassee well I think pu had something sounds communistic to me well I my as a planner part of what we are committed to is to make sure that people know the surrounding Property Owners know and they have the opportunity to speak so that you have the opportunity to make a recommendation or decision um that's in the best interest of the community and that's what we work our tales off to do here procedurally to make it as best we can every meeting it you know we're not going to be perfect but we get close is this done this is done this is done a state a state statute that has preempted all of the local governments from um allowing affordable housing to be constructed on properties that are already zoned either commercial or industrial my my problem if I may is that affordable housing is an important goal that we need to pursue as a city no doubt about it but if someone chooses an industrial property and they can go straight into site plan if that industrial property is not clean then there are children going to be raised on this property that don't deserve that right and I don't care what economic what color what anything it's wrong it it it's wrong completely eliminates local observations of what they have to live around somebody up in Tallahasse is the damn desk sign could happen in Tallahassee too the legislature has been gradually eroding tree permits um these food trucks it was mentioned earlier about the design standards we're not allowed to yeah we're putting them in there anyway Su us sorry statute create any design standards within its broad application no sir no I think I got to go to late County days this year yes sir the developer has to De develop something that's going to be marketable I yes at least you still got that somewhere we you have that my my concern has to do with highly dense commercial areas or industrial areas and little children running around there growing up there that's that's my Edge on it and taking away the Public's right we don't enjoy rough hearings but taking away the Public's right is is also by not limiting certain things it that's another safety issue you know yes sir so you know build a eight story apartment building and and don't have what they need to be safe the the intent supposedly is to help with affordable housing yeah I understand that supposedly I don't know incentive is a way to handle that yes sir and there are agencies in the city that are doing a real good job the CDC and folks are doing a real good job of creating more affordable housing and we need more absolutely but I I feel that we should be careful because we're going to have to deal with this and I can't bring to you we as a staff can't bring to you something we have no power to bring right sound like to threw the baby out with a bath water yes sir well you still have to need all all the building construction stand that's right what are we going to do without our $25 a month it really takes away that you know zoning control in the public heing process this is what this is a a different subject but it's kind of industrial kind of reminded me about it anybody heard what's going on with the katr plant what can happen that's what eight or 10 or 15 Acres over there of just Mass nothing's been publicly decided yeah I know that I try to contact I know that property by square feet every fire extinguisher in there see I know all their I know all their vacant land that's what I've been trying to get that's a good example of a project that could just you would never see it in front of you and the next day you could be driving by and an affordable housing could be going up there and John I'll let you know if I talk to him because I I call him about every couple months John's worried about his $25 a month salary so have a fix income do I didn't mean to interrupt candy I think she had some more Mr CH sorry I get 10,000 mon sorry I um I had included in in this discussion item both statutes that apply one of them is 420 and that gets into what is considered low very low uh moderate income so so for instance as Grant pointed out to me um the rents would be around $2,100 a month what that's affordable hous that's not affable housing that's right that's not you're kidding by Def affordable by reality no everything they come up with is just so so in my own personal experience on $15 an hour I could afford to live about 850 a month at a maximum 850 a month yeah exactly I've done these tax uh credit deals and all that and those numbers are always off I mean they they use New York City numbers or Miami numbers numbers Tampa numbers yeah it's ridiculous yeah but but basically if somebody and we have two people talking to us about it I believe both of them are lawyers for other clients and they just want to come in on top of commercial land or industrial land so we're losing those money-making opportunities in the city especially with industrial I mean those are where the good jobs come from um sounds like the economic development groups need to get involved too yeah and if you read 420 which um confuses me really quick because it talks about Finance um it's it's all about a a finance structure for people to come in and invest and I'm not sure how or when it goes off the rail but I'm pretty sure it will I just don't know how what good is local government anymore then you know I mean it takes away local government the government that is closest to the people is the best and I forget who the exact quote on that but but from from the founding fathers but Benjamin Frankin or someone I don't remember but the the point is that's correct when the state takes the power from the people they're really taking it from the citizens and I need to be quiet on this but you understand my point yeah they would have to if they did an affordable housing project they just have to record covenants for 30 years saying that they would have to implement at least 40% as affordable housing but like candy said uh the affordable element is uh pretty subjective but uh there is a Formula that is uh related to the area income household income and they can go up to 120% of that and still be considered uh under the affordable housing so that's where those numbers come [Music] from so so um well Dan you may have to put applications in some place you don't you're not going to have a job so um planning staff and DRC staff and uh legal are going to sit down and work this out but basically what I did was I went through 166 and so if you're in a quarter mile of a Transit stop you might be able to cut your traffic if within 600 feet there's traffic okay Mr developer show me where the transit stop is give me a measurement show me where the parking is give me a measurement tell me how many spaces give me addresses put them on your side plan and every step along the way I pushed it back to the developer to show us on a site plan what they're required to do in order to get certain exemptions because staff doesn't have time for that okay and that's all I have happy news happy news but you know this is another reason why you know staff doesn't present you often with straight zoning right oh yeah yeah yeah so you're not probably going to see a recommendation for B1 or an industrial zoning anymore it's going to be a plann district because if staff presented you all with a straight zoning the opportunity for live local to come back through that uh is is very real the gate well that was fun yeah you R my day anything else to be brought up Merry Christmas Merry Christmas for for the good of the order for the good of the order I like to make a motion that we adure okay Merry Christmas Merry Christmas Merry Christmas ho ho ho ho ho