about that all right so we're continuing the meeting of the affordable housing trust um it is Tuesday June 25th it's now about 6:53 p.m. and so we just finished up with the CPC in a joint meeting um to approve our joint Grant agreement with them and so now we're continuing on with our agenda um and I wanted to uh welcome back um Angus Michael who um was recently appointed um by the select board for another term on the affordable housing trust thank you very much for serving Angus and then Bartlett also was reapproved um he will be joining us shortly so let's get into our agenda let's start out with um item uh strategy 4.4 which is um lrap and uh let's see Amy yes welcome thank you do you have any new applications for us to review no new applicants at this time okay righty um and what we have to talk about is um two different things um regarding the LR program one is that um uh Mr Michaels had provided us with a couple of language changes um those were recommendations to the March Mar 27th version um so I wanted to to make sure that everybody had an opportunity to review those couple of changes and Angus did you want to just quickly walk us through those oh you're muted uh as soon as I can get my uh documents straighten out off on the screen here but um would you like me to to start then uh yes please okay so in the um in the guidelines under Section number two paragraph three um it says participants are eligible for a maximum of three years of assistance subject to funding based on their individual program entry date angus's recommendation is to change that language so that it says participants are eligible for an initial maximum three years of assistance following their first approval subject to funding based on their individual program entry any comments or questions on that one so then can you repe can you repeat the change just one more time so um the change is in reference to following their first approval so it says participants are eligible for an initial maximum 3 years of assistance following their first approval subject to funding based on their individual program entry date thank you and then the second change recommendation is um under Section number three application process first paragraph it says currently participants will be able to renew their assistance annually for a maximum of three years and um it a subject to an eligibility review and then in parentheses review and renew date is in red and you wanted that to be removed is that correct yes please okay and so then it would just read participants will be able to renew their assistance annually for an initial maximum of three years so any questions or comments on that uh I'm just just to because I can't I don't have it in front of me I didn't I didn't receive um I don't I don't know if I I would even be able to receive that but I just on the verbiage would this mean that in certain circumstances if they needed to extend beyond the three years they would be eligible to do so based on our recommendation that is the intent okay I just wanted to make sure thank you great all right so it sounds like we're all okay with these changes so Amy um I guess Mar could you make sure that she has a copy of of the document okay thank you all right if you can make those changes I think that would be great and then um we can move on thank you Angus for taking a look and being very intentional in in the language you're welcome and let's see so then item lowercase three so how are we doing on any LP changes for the new year being on track it sounded like Liz said that um everything was going to be fine no no issues with anybody right so all participants have been notified of the increase we drafted a letter which went out to everyone um notifying them that there was a change um in the benefit amount um in addition to that letter um additional agreements were sent out the tenant agreement and the landlord agreement noting the change in the benefit amount that would be provided through the affordable housing trust um so they all received that we're slowly receiving all of those um agreements from from all the participants and their landlords um and I don't want to move on too quickly but that so that yes everybody's been notified they were all extremely grateful for the benefit increase it's a huge help to a lot of our participants um so they were happy to receive that increase good it's glad to know that that's appreciated and and that that will be helping their households does anyone have any other questions for Amy this evening regarding LP did you did you want me to review the the renewal timeline because we were trying to work on I just didn't want to move on too quickly before we were ready so um the renewal timelines that would be great if you could go through those yes okay so um we determined that participants who had recertified prior to April 2024 um that would they would need to complete the recertification packet to get everyone on the same review timeline so this would be anyone that would be coming up for Renewal um but anybody so like I have some folks that had renewed in January February and March so those that had renewed prior to that where I might not have their 2023 tax return on file um which is one of the documents that's required if they file um so anybody prior to that April 2024 um they would need to complete the recertification um so we reviewed this with those that need to recertify um individually and they've been sent everything and we're waiting on receiving their updated applications and supporting documentation we're hoping to have all of that information um for the next affordable housing trust meeting okay great um Mr Rand Bacher I I know that you had a bunch of questions about timelines would where are you on this right now so I talked to Liz and she said this was an work in progress um but we didn't actually talk more about it I think lining everything up is a great plan so I'm I think what Amy's suggesting is great so okay great this would get everybody so that we would have everybody recertify by June so that for f the next fiscal year July 1 every year everybody's on the same timeline terrific okay well it's as we had planned so it sounds like it's going to work out okay terrific and um how is it on you all in terms of workload is is it creating issues but or everything is still worked out okay it's usually just like initially determining the the protocol and how you want to you know implement it so once you get over that initial hump it's usually smooth sailing so good I like that okay terrific all right well thank you for that update and we'll see you back here in in July for for an update as well and I think maybe what um I'll make sure to do Lucia will listen to this and and do the minutes but um if Lucia can make sure to get you a copy of the minutes and and meeting invitations as well I think that will be really helpful yes great thank you thank you any other comments questions folks nope okay all right we're going to keep moving along then um we are not going to address um the uh strategy 2.1 derky Farm because uh Bartlett isn't on board yet um so we'll wait for that so we're going to go on to strategy 2.3 King Street common and so since our last meeting um the planning board made its decision on amendments to the King Street common special permit um if you have um the document for strategy 2.3 um goad and open that up and I can walk you through it um the first three pages are from the decision and show the anticipated phases of the project and um during the planning board meeting Rick said that the 40 senior units were anticipated in phase three so I asked that statement be placed into the final decision because there needs to be at least a documentation of this in a sense of urgency of of when they actually get built so that they are just kind of pushed out um so then the next page after that shows the scenarios um for one two and three bedrooms and um this was one of the scenarios um that I had shared at our last meeting um so this way uh folks know that that was the prior meeting and we did discuss that as well and it was accepted um as the plan moving forward by the planning board and then finally for folks who want to see the whole project I included the map so you can actually see which area of the uh project is to be Fe on that and um and are there any questions Noe everybody with that understanding okay I guess I guess I do have one it it it looks like from the breakdown that all of the senior units will be one bedroom because if if you look at page 11 yes um the 40 units at 30 to 60 Ami for seniors are all in that one bedroom category is that correct that is correct okay and that's I mean I don't necessarily have a opinion about that one way or the other but um and I assume that this is beneficial to the lupoi company because they will be the smallest units um but I'm just wondering if that was taken into consideration or if there was any discussion about that hello Mr Bartlett welcome thank you I apologize um theate the state needs a decent public transportation system um well it's good to see you welcome back we are currently discussing um King Street common and um Mr Nord house just brought up a question regarding the 40 units um 30 to 60% Ami for seniors that they are all one bedrooms and as I recall they've always been one bedrooms is is that correct to your Rec that's my recollection also okay and Marin to to your recollection yeah okay and I I think that was the Our intention is that that um I don't know I mean that's that's just what I remember that we yeah have an objection I just wanted to make sure that that was something that we had considered and not something that that the developer had insisted on so that that's fine and I think part of that were where the um the the idea that if folks need two bedrooms that there are still other affordable units um up to um 80% Ami and so that if folks wanted to have two bedroom un there would also be that option because anybody um who meets the eligibility would be able to apply for for those other units that be two and three bedrooms yeah all right so that's um King Street comment I do know that um Kim and uh Sue and I had a brief discussion talking about ideas for uh polling seniors about whether or not these 40 units should be dispersed or concentrated um Kim or Su would you like to chat about that a little bit thank you I think the biggest thing that we figured out was that we just need to ask and how to do that we talked about doing a survey and Sue correct me if I'm wrong and you were also just going to check in and see where we could put that survey right I think we also talked about it in relation to giving more information about what was going to be available and you know it we we sort of tied it in with that meeting too I think um Angus were you trying to say something no I wasn't okay your your box lit up so I wanted to make sure to ask I'm so sorry it was so I I know that if we have um once we get the survey put together that we do have various um events um focused on seniors and and even other events around town so that could be an opportunity for us to be able to discuss and then also the opportunity to invite um Rick um the engineer with lupoi um to talk about our comments and questions and so being able to to have that discussion would be really helpful the question is do we want to have it um before or after we actually um get all the survey results so what does everybody think talking with him before or after I I think we need to talk with them before because I I think part of of asking that question you know do you want to be all together or do you want to be dispersed doesn't mean anything to anybody they want to know what what's in what the plans are and and at least our meeting with him would help us understand it or at least me and um and then when we talked about having some kind of a meeting to give the seniors some some more information um then it would be clearer to them I don't think if you just say to them do you want to be dispersed or not okay I'm not sure that would mean anything but okay also might we share that chart is that okay for us at this point to share the chart I know it's also public um but could we share that in our survey to say this is currently what's on the on the board as part of our in informative now we have some questions to ask and when you say chart Kim which one are you referencing are you referencing the phasing one or the one that does a Breakout by breakout break yeah and the truth is the phasing one is not a bad thought either so that they have a sense of is this going to happen in five years or 10 years or 20 years that's not terrible information to be able to use okay yeah I I yes absolutely that is public information and so that should be available to share um so I guess we would be looking then at inviting um Rick and seeing if he can come in July enj a zoom meeting for July okay so that's the next step then thank you all right any other discussion around King Street common Bartlett I'm sorry did you say something no no I didn't I I just through it to see if I had any comments than I don't so okay great U well um earlier when we started this meeting I said welcome um back to Angus for being reappointed so I'll say that to you as well welcome back for being reappointed we're thank you we appreciate having you and all of your time and great ideas it took me all of 30 seconds in town hall to get sworn in good so let's go back then to strategy 2.1 which is jerky Farm now that Bartlett is here and so um Bartlett if you would like to provide us with an update that would be great um I assume you've already gone through the grant agreement and that's that's all been resolved yes the grant agreement was done during the joint meeting approved yeah um very little progress there um I I talked to a person named Elizabeth who whose aunt and uncle had lived in The Farmhouse um and uh her aunt and uncle when I spoke to her were in Florida and were supposed to come back to this area um she was going to uh get them to talk to me about it about the house and barn um I I called again today I got no I I left a message I didn't get any answer I have not heard from them she did say that there are two Wells on the property one between the house and the barn and one in back of the barn the one in back of the barn is sort of generally located inside of a stone circle um there's also a Cess pool and somewhere on the property there's a um a watering Pond a pond where um her grandfather I guess used to um get water for the animals and he she said he would drive his fir truck up there and load it and then go and unload it into the hose into the animals areas so um I really have very little to report and I I'm going to I I'm hoping that those that the aunt and uncle are back from Florida and I can contact them in the next couple of days or week okay so and um regarding septic did Ted get back with you no I have not heard back from him okay all right um so the last we had um conversation about this um we were looking to be able to get um the RFQ response R believe RFP we were asking for a proposal for him to do the septic investigation and um he told us verbally I believe that he would help us out if if um we needed it we got no written responses at all from the RFP um I called him and I believe there have been other contacts to him um Marin I think you talked to him um and and I think eventually we'll get something we'll hear from him and I think I think he said he's willing to do it it's just going to be on his schedule which is not going to be immediate so um I don't know where we are beyond that okay Lauren y so one of um his suggestions well suggestion I heard from two different Engineers was to divide the work into the survey work and the septic work the survey work done first and then that will set up for easier um access or easier time to get the septic work done I mean he's capable of locating things but he's not a licensed surveyor and eventually we'll need that for the property line and for the um setback for the U the conservation land um so anyway I had divided the request for quotes into the two pieces sent both of those out we did get the response from um places Associates the survey team there um with the uh with a quote for uh this survey part of the work survey work right okay um so that information we just got back and so we did not distribute it to everybody but um knowing that the last time when we put out the RFQ um I believe we had set a limit as I recall of how much money we could spend and if not maybe we can do that now um do you recall Marin um I don't recall if there was that's a good question I don't I don't recall um survey quote is um 3,00 plus 250 um dollars of associated costs if if needed expense if needed okay so I guess if we wanted to um not have this project continue to wait what we could do is if we could hear a motion to um enable Bartlett and I or Bartlett and somebody else to review the response and if it's appropriate um give us a spending limit of $3300 to be able to do this if it's appr if it's an appropriate proposal so what do you all think about that or we can wait till next month after everybody's had a no I Marin what do you think the odds are of getting another response um I got no no feedback from anybody else on it okay um this particular company um survey team was excited to have something to work on right away because they're waiting for a couple bigger projects to come in and once those come in yeah they they won't be available well I mean they're certainly qualified firm um so I'm I'm happy to make a motion that we uh accept that dollar limit and um after review appr approval of of their proposal I'll second that I heard a second from Mark and that dollar limit was 33300 okay all right so um with that motion um let's see if it's approved um Kim yes Angus yes Sue yes Mark yes Matthew yes and an is a yes okay and I'm a yes all right so that so the next steps there are that um Bartlett will will review it along with myself or or whoever the chair is going to be and um then proceed accordingly whether or not it fits the criteria for what we're looking for is that right all right yeah I will R reveal it with you an it and I'll also review it with with Maron just because I like to go into the office sounds good you just made the rounds okay all right anything else on derky Farm no okay oh I thought I heard somebody nope okay so let's move into item D which is umg 2.5 senior housing at shadik Street and um Mark could you please provide an update uh you mean the shadik street building Shad Street Building for senior housing yes um so there really isn't an update um the select board is well we were going to have a retreat on Friday that was postponed a few weeks um it's likely to be one of our goals and discussions for the year what we're doing with the building whether we want to re habit or move to a different location for Town Hall and What Becomes of that building so there probably is going to be a little there's going to be a lot of discussion over the um probably the next year but probably little movement until uh around this time next year would be my guess okay yeah and and going back to the discussion we just had about phasing right if King Street common um were to complete phase three by the end of 2029 then you know that's still 5 years away so so from a timing perspective that gives plenty of opportunity for the town to to discuss and decide so thank you for for that information and when is The Retreat postponed till uh believe it was the 17th of July 16th or 17th of July okay great thank you Matthew anything else on that great all right so moving into item e which is tahan Road and so on June 6 um it was a deadline for respondents to the RFP for building out at 87 to hadwan Road and that's the actual address of the site um Habitat for Humanity was the only respondent um and you receive that response in your meeting packet Mark is currently the the lead on that project and um we've spoken with um maren and Jim about it and so Mark I'll turn it over to you to to lead this part of the discussion sure um so um Town Council looked at the the response it was determ to be valid uh Anna and I met with maren and Jim and we're talking about the financials for so the project basically um habitat is planning on building two houses at a cost of I think it's like $518,000 um and planning on selling them for um there's a three-bedroom unit and a two and a two-bedroom unit there so a total of five bedrooms for the duplex um so they meet all of those requirements um they're going um the projects costing five like I said like 518 I think it is and um they're looking for funding for um $350,000 from that of that amount basically um roughly um some of it will be come they will be asking the affordable housing trust through the CPC for that money we're not sure how much they're actually going to ask for um from the CPC it's up to 250,000 of that amount um will be is their request um the project the contribution from the town also doesn't include basically the cost of the land they will be buying the acreage off of us for a dollar so we're already in for the cost of the land plus whatever they're asking um the units will be uh turn and sold by habitat they will hold the mortgage at a 0% interest rate um they're going to be selling the units for roughly $200,000 each um so um so the project has a net loss of roughly $100,000 a little over 100,000 um so an and I have been talking about how the finances work and how much um we as an affordable housing trust at CPC should to be contributing to this project considering if you take the project at $500,000 add in the cost of land it's a $700,000 project we're already in for 200,000 so we're two7 of the project how what percentage is a reasonable amount for the town to be contributing for these two units I don't know if other that pretty much Su up Anna yes did I miss anything no that's a good summary so and as Mark said I think the the question that I still have is you know what's appropriate for us to be contributing um because the affordable housing trust did pay for $200,000 of of the land um there on toah had on road and so I think if you have um additional money you know how much is is the right amount and so it would be great to be able to to hear your input you know if if it's a large amount of money then we have to consider that in light of what we currently have and and other projects that we might want to take um take on as well so what are your thoughts about that piece going I have to think about that when I originally reached out to them my Approach was you know what is keeping you from building houses and the response was well we don't have enough construction managers so if you can hire a construction manager we can cover the rest and number the number that was bandied about at that time was $60 to 80,000 um my gut says if the affordable housing trust paid $280,000 total for two H like built houses I think that's a pretty good deal in Littleton $140,000 for a low-income house feels like an amount that we can afford I think if we're g to if we're if we're up now into $450,000 for two houses uh that might be more than we can afford um I realized we have a big piggy bank but um that's a I mean it's not what I expected I guess it's still an inexpensive house in Littleton so maybe it's still okay but it's just it's different from my initial understanding of what was going to happen and that understanding that you had was from talking with um the head of the the Habitat for Humanity herself yeah executive director Carolyn the executive director yeah now that was never formalized there was no contract documentation of any kind it was like you know but but we we said those we we had that conversation and I brought it back to the to the the trust as hey this seems like a reasonable thing for us to do we have money to do it like you know we're going to get into it for under $100,000 okay I had not considered the cost of the land as part of that okay um thank you Matthew for that that input Marin you have your hand up thank you um I have heard that there was some question about how much the town um should should be participating in this um as if uh this was a developers proposal this is definitely the town's development uh the affordable housing trust looking to um assure that this development moves forward I don't think it sets any precedence as far as um what type of participation uh the affordable housing Trust might consider um if these uh units were for example required as a special permit um from the planning board or it was you know how how the affordable housing Trust might uh participate in a in a developer uh proposal rather than a town proposal so I think that uh gives the the trust a lot of leeway in how to look at this particular development okay thank you um Angus uh yes I I'm I'm not a mechanical person or anything I'm just looking at numbers and if we're going to put out all this money and the whole thing goes out as a loss I'm not entirely sure we should uh be funding an escalating elephant project that's going to eventually lead to a loss um I I I I I don't really know how the uh costing went up from 200,000 to 500,000 and then it's going to be sold for 400,000 um we do have funds but uh we are supposed to be good stewards of the funds I don't know whether this is a good use of affordable housing money uh perhaps um if those monies were put into what the lupol companies doing maybe we could get more units out of it maybe four one bedroom apartments and benefit for seniors uh I'm at a loss I'm not entirely sure whether I should be supporting this or not that's my submission I I would say you know one advantage of this is that these would be deed restricted I believe forever and they would be affordable units Standalone units that are full houses and not rental apartments so I think that that is actually a pretty big Advantage um given that there's not much inventory of inexpensive houses in Littleton that are owned by someone who has a low income right I I kind of agree with Angus that I I have just a question about how how and why the numbers change so much and I would I would like to um go back to Habitat and ask them why the numbers were are so different from what was initially suggested um and you know there may be a valid explanation I was thinking that you know because um this is a blue state with a lot of rules they have to use licensed people to do all of the you know wiring and plumbing and so forth um but they are going to they are proposing to use um students from the from the tech school and um I mean we were told at least you told us that that that the expense was going to be the the licensed supervisor and um that the they expected to get donated materials and and a large amount of donated labor yeah so so I just have a question I just wanted okay um that that's a good question and and we can certainly look look at that so real quick Kim before I I go to you Matthew in your discussions with Carolyn at any point did she share any data any numbers from any other projects or anything like that that we could look to to be able to help answer Bartlett's question um I think she nothing in detail she gave me some I as I recall she gave me some um Topline numbers from the one that they did in air recently that was a d Le um but I it was it was in a conversation I don't know if it was written down and I don't think that I ever got any documentation on it yeah all right so perhaps that would be something we can explore then is actually talking to air um to see what their numbers look like because um typically speaking in any kind of um Project work um where there are uh bitters one of the things that is helpful to look at is what well is our contribution similar to that of what other projects have been like you never want to be the low one you never want to be the high one you kind of want to be somewhere in the middle right so finding out more information I think would be helpful um Kim go ahead thank you I have two thoughts one is there's a whole lot of 500 to 600 650 three bedroom houses being sold in Littleton with maybe 1,200 sare fet so that gives us a sense that the four something is a reasonable lowincome number so so that's actually a helpful thing for you to know that it's it it is climbing and so costs are climbing and I get that um secondly they do a ton of fundraising and so are they assuming that they're not going to be doing fundraising or is that separate from what we donate which comes first is my question do we donate and then they fund raise the rest or do we fill the Gap yeah good question so um Marin and Jim had a conversation Carol with Carolyn did that come up at all in the conversation um actually Jim's suggestion is if the affordable housing trust has that if the town has that question the town can be the last in have a up to amount and just say um be the last in the last piece of the funding um they do anticipate doing additional fundraising and requests for um materials labor everything like that also Kim I I I'm not sure I understood that these this is a three-bedroom that they're selling for 200,000 right okay and so what I'm telling and what I'm saying is to get two for 400 is a good deal okay incredible okay an incredible love project for yes okay thank [Music] you okay um we do have a Community member here this evening um uh we have Mel Lions hi Anna it's Mary Ellen Lions I am the better at 79 to hadan Road sorry about that I know every time I come on it's different um I just wanted to clarify so the two houses that we're talking about for 400,000 each or whatever we're really talking about that duplex right that that unit that you showed you know two units within one house yes I just wanted to clarify because I think at first uh someone said two houses and so then when I know Angus was just throwing out the for one-bedroom apartments or whatever would that also be in one unit one you know structure with four separate units was an alternative no oh okay it was just a hypothetical just an idea okay I was just curious because uh I guess you know I I know I was at that town meeting where we passed this and and we as part of the conservation of the brown property we you know voted as a town to uh be able to put this affordable housing structure with you know a duplex so so would whatever amount you decide on for what what else you will then put into the project does that also go to town meeting to decide or is that just something that you you guys decide as a a a you know a group to um fund a certain amount so um given the fact that this is the first project that the affordable housing trust has done in this way um I believe that um we are supposed to go back um to be able to to address it at town meeting but I don't think I don't think we have to we have money in our bank account that we can spend we don't have to go to town meeting to spend but isn't but isn't it like just like spending CPC funds for another and from another bucket no because the money was already allocated at town meeting for affordable housing trust to spend okay to CPC so that was what the agreement was going forward that we're not going to ask for money from CPC for affordable housing without a project but we've already have funds that aren't associated with a project so unless they're pulling back those funds we can spend those on these Pro this project and sorry finish no it's a good question um yeah thank you so appreciate that thank you the chair of the uh select board on here is really helpful so that he can help address that right away um yeah so I guess that's it if we don't need new monies then it doesn't need to go to town meeting well I I also understood it to mean that uh the the finance committee expects the affordable housing trust to spend down almost completely before they come back for any more funds yes okay so one of the things that that we'll have later on in our discussion is our budget and um that will be a good opportunity to discuss the the and and how we anticipate spending them because in my conversation with um finance committee chair vudi he said that what he wants to see is a plan you know what what is it that we intend to do with these dollars and um I think that's one of the things that we need to do in August and September is once we are confirmed in our plan is to go back to fincom and say this is what we're looking at doing and so going to need to go back to CPC for certain dollars here's what we're going to need to go back to these are the years in which we're going to need to go back to and talk through that so that we have had our conversation so again that's a little bit later in our meeting but thank you Angus for raising that so also um from my conversations with the fincom I think they are okay with us spending a reasonable sum on this project but if we wanted to go spend a lot of that money the sitting in the in our bank account on another project they might start questioning it because that money really wasn't ever allocated for a project and um by the town right that's what they're concerned about yeah so I I'll give my feedback now that most people have sent their opinion on this um I think it's okay to go with the habit I think we have to do something with this property we bought it for affordable housing and we have to do we only have the affordable house the project from hum habitat so we have to go forward I would suggest we pick a number that says we will pay we will contribute up to my number is like $75,000 to this project um I keep going back that if we were to contribute um let's just say we put in 100,000 that means we're spending $150,000 on each affordable unit there um with what we we don't that would basically mean that we could do L wrap and a and an affordable unit every we could do lrap every year but the rest of the affordable housing bucket we could get from CPC would mean we're doing a unit every three years at most and that's not very um helping the community that much right um we need to do this project because we've already spent money on this project we're in for 200,000 we have to complete it so spending a little more to complete it makes sense but we can't keep doing two units at1 and some thousand a unit we it just won't work um budget wise we're going to have to come figure out how to do something on um maybe if we do things at a larger scale it will be more cost effective per unit that's just my take on it agreed so i' just like to get everyone's um sense right now um would you like us to come back to to the trust um with information of what other towns have done with projects um using Habitat for Humanity and come back with kind of a range of numbers and then and then we can take a vote on it or or not or would you rather do something else I would be comfortable with voting tonight and I would suggest that Mark's Mark's number of 7 5,000 I would probably go to 100,000 but I think that that is a reasonable sum of money given that we've paid for the land already um and then you know if habitat feels that that's not going to make this a tenable project we can reevaluate but it feels like a $150,000 per unit is still a pretty pretty good price I'm fine with 100,000 I also think we need to figure out what with what Marin said is being the last in so we'll contribute the last 100,000 exactly yeah absolutely but but make it a commitment because they the habitat will need that commitment to do other fundraising right if they go to people and say listen the town has put 300 into it um then you know people will know that it's a going project and and that they they should contribute to make it put it over the edge pass the [Music] line so I'm fine with that yeah I would I would agree like we commit to up to 100,000 last in okay so do what what's what other discussion around this particular amount or process Sue Angus any other thoughts Kim so I uh I believe it makes sense to proceed uh given the amount of time and money that's been expensed already as was previously stated um and we just have to firm up the numbers and know exactly what we're getting in for the numbers did climb significantly from the previous assessment so we need to know um what we're in for I mean we could say 100,000 and then they come back and say well um we're stuck we need another 100 what do we do so we have to firm up the numbers somehow perhaps maybe uh getting numbers from other communities like um Anna uh stated so uh that's my position so I think we can signed the contract with them and saying that we will contribute up to $100,000 and if they come back for more I they have to do all the fundraising before they start right so we're not going to be in for if they can't raise all the money they can't do the project so um it'll be obvious fairly early I would assume whether this can work or not there's other ways by the way so there's other ways that the cost of the project might be coming down like there's talk of having the septic system donated the town could potentially wave all the licensing and permitting fees right so the project may come in under under their budget you know I don't know how much uh contingencies or wiggle room is in their budget either so um but we can easily we can negotiate with them to say we will put in the last 100,000 that's what we will commit to okay sounds reasonable um I I have a question I don't know if it's for Anna or Marin or this group but the other thing that has to be part of whatever we're moving is who's negotiating this as a Jim minin myself we need to authorize someone to carry this out right it's probably Jim or maren I would assume that's actually working this through but I don't know or is it Anna is the chair I I just don't know great question what if we ask Town Council can you ask um Tom what he recommends okay my guess is it's based on the amount of funding that's being discussed and I think at that level it needs to go to the Town Administrator that would be a good uh question to confirm yeah I think it's going to be the TA as well but we can always ask so that's the one thing about being on the affordable housing trust right now you get to be groundbreakers because the hasn't done this before or the last habitat house was decades ago so yeah we'll we'll learn a lot from this project about what we want to do and not do moving forward so thank you for all the questions do we have the people around us who did that before Bartlett was involved with with it before um it was a a project that was run by um one one of the churches in town uh the construction well the cost of development was $60,000 instead of the 517 that we're talking about now that's the difference that 20 years has made I was part of that so I completely understand I just didn't right thank you yeah that was that was built in 1990 I think 99 yeah it's a long time ago yeah 2 1999 okay so do we have a motion then for moving forward so move not yet I need a motion to move forward though all right so I propose a motion to partner with a Habitat for Humanity to cont to complete the uh project at one road I'm not sure the number of it to contribute $100,000 to up to up to up to $100,000 and the land Val specifying that that 100,000 will be paid last right up to $100,000 contributed last in addition to the $200,000 land seconded and land yeah I'll second it okay lots of seconds okay thank you all right all um let's vote on this um so Angus yes Mark yes Sue yes Matthew yes Bartlett yes Kim yes and and as a yes okay so we we'll move forward with that um Mark and I will have a discussion with Jim and minen and um then we can determine who is going to be the official negotiator on this and we'll have some more progress so thank you everyone and Anna might I excuse myself thank you yes thank you Kim really appreciate it thank you for your time welcome thank you all thanks okay so then the next topic then we're on to F which is town-owned land so um two weeks ago um uh we had a conversation with Mark and I had a conversation with Jim about town owned land and so I'm um anticipating that as part of the retreat there can be a discussion item regarding this as well because if there is a parel or two of land that can be contributed that could be a project down the road and the reason for bringing this up now in 2024 is that it will take time a good amount of time for select board to go through the process and then to go through the process for town meeting and and so as you can see it could very well be a lengthy process um and so when this particular item from the um mhp's housing Institute came up I thought it would be helpful for everybody to see what some of the thoughts are about um disposal of land and the presenters Pen Rose is one of many um developers out there that we could speak with about what do you do with with land when once it's available and um I think being able to look at for example projects there was one page it said page 120 but it was interesting to see that in a major project again major being 65 housing units because of all of the monies that they were bringing in from other sources including Federal um State and then the local support was only 3% of the project so that's pretty phenomenal that out of a $35 million project the town that you know this came from was only 3% so um that's one of the reasons why I think it's always helpful to be able to Benchmark against what other communities have done and other groups have done so I just wanted to raise this to everyone's awareness um any comments or questions about it okay so I one thing that I think we need to determine is what makes a large project like if we took a lot of small projects and put them all out together right where we're building 10 individual houses but they're not all in a cluster right versus or you know 100 houses you know if we took a lot of town own land and we're doing something rather than like we're doing with habitat or onesie if we had six 10 Parcels that we could do multiple things on however many right is that going to give us more favorable rate because I don't know that we're going to find a really large parcel or parcel large enough to do a huge number of units right well if I can Kick the Can I would say that that is a discussion we need to have around our budget and um but it is one of the the the items that I think if the select board can talk about it it would be really helpful to be able to identify what you just said as a strategy around this right we want to be able to identify um multiple Parcels of land that are within a very close proximity to be able to then go to a developer and say okay we have these Parcels what you know what can you help us work on and um go from there so along those lines I know there's like one paral at the Cooper That was supposed to be affordable that has never been developed does the town end up owning that now or is that still controlled by the developer and just not being built is that something that gets considered in this process or not so that would be the one on Dean Lane yeah at um Cooper farm and it's my understanding that the planning board has not yet um come to a resolution with um the field company on that one is that correct Marin that's my understanding yeah okay so it does continue to be on our list so to speak okay so um Mark I guess for I would ask as a next step is if the select board could add this to its discussions that would be very beneficial to us again because this was going to take a lot of time and it's not like it's going to happen tomorrow okay thank you um all right so next topic also related to housing and and what's available um Mark had asked the question as to whether or not affordable housing trust did in fact want to consider any of the um antique Homes at 31 shadik Street 245 King Street which is actually 242 King Street um or or or the Orchard House for affordable housing um I think the last time this question came up um U we discussed it a little bit but we weren't quite clear about why we would or would not want these houses um from my perspective I think it's because each of them is more than 100 years old and our board voted in December that we would not accept homes that were considered antique so I wanted to ask again what what do you all think well I I think my intent on voting for that um limitation on antiques is that I don't want to get into another swamp like The derky Farmhouse um because that's almost an endless amount of money that is going to go into that to make it habitable um I think 31 one shat is pretty much a habitable house I I don't I haven't been inside it for several years um but it's not falling down and it has a sewer connection I don't think the town is going to sell it you know for a dollar or some you know reasonable number to us for affordable housing because they paid market price for it and the Selectmen don't want to do that to themselves um so I mean it's it's worth a question um on the the King Street um Mark moner's old house um that's was lived in until quite recently and again that would depend on the condition that it's in um you know if it's been abandoned and the pipes are frozen and stuff then um I don't think we should touch it but if it's if it's you know move in or close to move in um then we could you know see what the water department wanted to do with it but the the Orchard House is um from what I've heard is is a disaster it's going to be almost in the same condition as the jerky house an year of build for 31 chadic street is 1920 24 King Street um it said 1783 and 70 neog Hill Road is 1900 so those are the years built so um I'll add on a little to what Bartle was saying for 31 shadik Street and 242 King Street I don't think the affordable housing trust needs to take control of those I think what we should be doing as an affordable housing trust is petitioning the select board and Light and Water that when they sell it that they deed restrict it and they could be added to the um the affordable housing the the Shu unit yeah it could we could put Lisa in charge of those units and she would do the management that's what I was suggesting those houses both well I know 31 shat Street was lived in until December or right they basically right it's currently occupied by the construction management company right um so it it and it was lived in until uh basically until construction started so it it is a livable house and will be left as a livable house when they're done um the just and we don't never as affordable housing we don't ever need to take control of it we just need to decide if we want to Advocate to the powers that own that house which would be the slick board in the case of that one and the water department in case of 242 to ask them that when they sell it to consider deed restricting it any thoughts on Mark's idea well I completely agree with uh Mark's um recommendations uh where an affordable housing trust uh and our perview is to Shepherd people into affordable homes we shouldn't be in the business of uh restoring historical homes now if we get into one of those um homes then obviously we have to bring it up to code and bring it up to uh the standards for modern day living not knowing exactly what the previous tenant or previous owner uh did with the home um it's a disaster what's going on at Foster Street I mean they've got two Wells they've got uh all sorts of things that nobody knows where they are the people who have an idea are Miles and Miles Away we're having to pay for a survey or to come and start working on identifying and um fixing Landscapes and uh boundaries and things like that we shouldn't really be involved in doing all of that I don't think uh but certainly um it is a remarkable uh piece of uh uh recommendation that uh came through in December and I think we should all stick to it any other comments no so so where we are then is um uh Mark how about you make a motion and we'll see what what we get how's that so I make a motion that the affordable housing trust petition the select board and the water Department to put to deed restrict the properties at 31 Shad Street and 242 King Street when they go to resell them for did you restrict them for affordable housing second okay all right so let's vote on this motion um let's start with um Matthew yes Mark yes Bartlett yes Sue yes Angus yes and Anna is a yes okay all right so we will do that and see where it goes um we can go ahead and and um so as the next step um maren would you be able to help me draft a letter work with me to draft a letter to that effect certainly thank you all right the next item on our agenda again related to land um um let's see oh I think we already talked about that I mentioned that um Town Administrator um had pulled a list and and we initially talked about it um and I think it's it's just really important um as I've stressed to the Town Administrator that the reason for asking um for town on land is that if it's not being used then um that can be our contribution to the project so in in the case of the um tahan road we actually paid for that land in other cases if Town truly isn't being used and we did didn't pay any kind of acquisition fee in modern times then you know that that's a different story um and then it makes our contribution valuable um and and then we can um perhaps contribute more money so that's one way to look at it all right so then under item G ownership units of affordable housing so this is just an update Kim and Sue and I met um to share some ideas about how to bring this about um and Mark has a willing participant um that he knows who would be able to perhaps um provide or to be the speaker and provide information um Sue did you want to share anything about discussion or would you like me to do that um well I'll share the part I'll share is that when we talked about it and it was also in connection with doing the survey for um the senior excuse me senior affordable units I think that we had talked about having somebody talk about ownership versus rental and to give people just another picture another way of looking at um if you sell your house what do you what can you move into the other piece that we brought up when we had the three of us met was you we as a group and other people in town can rattle off you know 60% Ami if you say that to most people in town they've got no clue what you're talking about so I think part of the information needs to be and I think Kim U brought it up that part of the information really does need to be what does that mean what does that mean in dollars and what are the um requirements for getting into a lottery I mean you you talk about it and then some people will say okay it's better to rent and then you find out well no wait a minute I've got to go into a lottery to do that um and so there's so many pieces to it that we've really got to do some information and and that would be some a lot of prep work that would need to be done um on our part to to be able to do that and so um as Sue mentioned if we had somebody come in and speak it would be really helpful if they could say okay here's three examp examples of somebody who wants to downsize but they needed something that's deeply affordable we have somebody else who needs something that is Affordable and we need somebody else who can pay market rate um so if this individual could help in doing that that would be great um any chance Mark that you heard back about the dates that were offered um I have not heard back the dates yet but I will hang again next week if I haven't heard before okay great and just so everybody here knows the dates that were offered up were August 14th 16th or 17th um and we'll see if our potential speaker is is available any comments questions on what we just said okay we're rolling okay so item H um being able to keep residents in their home homes um uh we we had the opportunity to be able to submit the OneStop Grant um I think Marin had a lot of work back in June related to this right and um so I'll just read this first paragraph that they wrote and that is um Littleton affordable housing trust seeks to establish and operate a homeowner Min grant program this program would be patterned after successful programs in norfol sbur and other communities income qualified households would receive up to $7,500 each for critical health and safety repairs and maintenance State Grant funds would be used to fund at least 16 homeowner minig grants over the course of two years and so um Mark or maren or Mark and Marin thank you for all your work on this and also I wanted to ask do we have any time frame as to when they will announce who the winners are um yeah Grant announcements um are usually late October early November okay any thank you it was really exciting to be able to work on this one well you do have the magic touch with grant writing Marin so maybe you work your magic on this one too we'll cross our fingers all right no comments questions all right I'll volunteer someone else to write the next Grant don't volunteer me yeah Mark no more volunteering anybody else you can only volunteer yourself okay so now we're gonna get into some board business um so we have first up um to review the Consortium contract and decide if we'll renew it so um so everybody got a copy of of the emails um from Marin regarding the aset regional how contract and so um I I know I just had a couple of questions um with this and then um we'll open it up to other questions as well um what are the what are and and um you're coming through garble could you ask that again sure what are the housing workshops and are trustees invited um the housing all of the um meetings and workshops are open to the public so yes so we just need to be told about them or informed about them okay um yeah would be help that would be really helpful um and it talked about the monitoring you um the Littleton affordable units are being monitored um so which ones and when these are all of the um uh ownership units correct um uh any of the ownership units that aren't otherwise monitored and I I think they do cover all of the ownership units no I'll take that back um the units at um Offa lock Leia have a different Monitor and and those monitoring letters are are sent out once every year and then um so my last question is if um if the affordable housing trust benefits from this you know how does it benefit from it and if not then should should somebody else some other bucket in town be paying for it soar does the out out more specifically does aht benefit from it in addition to the monitoring visits oh okay um as as I replied in my email I can't parse what benefits go to the planning department what benefits go to the affordable housing trusts and what benefits go to the town in general um I don't think it's possible to divide that um but what um the inter Municipal agreement um would be a select board vote to uh recommend um whether or not to continue that um that allows the town of Hudson to contract um on behalf of all of the seven several communities uh to um contract with uh the the excuse me Metro West collaborative development um and for the uh affordable housing services for um and the and and that provides the town with quick access to uh housing Specialists um when we have questions that come up um as you were discussing um doing a local Workshop um this Consortium has offered uh several Regional workshops that cover a lot of the issues um that you were talking about um it's usually about every other year that those are held okay so yeah I mean it would be great if if the trustees could get invited or or say hey this is something you should you know be aware of and and um see have you did you fall off that list of when those emails go out I'll I'll check the list again I get so many okay um but what a questions or comments do others have about this I think I've been to some of their meetings and and I think that it's worth doing I think that and we have a budget the planning board doesn't so you know since we benefit and the planning board benefits you know I think um I don't know you know I we certainly should contribute some maybe this selectman should too I don't know but we have a budget and the planning board doesn't [Music] so um I think the town benefits and I think you know we can justify that spending this on the basis that the we benefit and the town benefits just as it benefits from the the housing that we are attempting to produce okay so um Marin um had sent this to um to Bartlett and I to review and so I'd like to put it up to see if um we'd like to support this endorse it so that when this goes to the board um they have our comments on it so any other comments I I have so I suggest we support it this year um going forward I suggest that we get it in in front of the CPC and ask the CPC to support it next year out of the affordable housing trust bucket to make sure that it is an appropriate use of CPC funds and they they would support it and then and then if not then we can petition it through the select board or through the normal budget process but there's no there's not $6,000 sitting around in another budget line item to come up with this at this point so if we want to do it you know I believe it's $6,000 a year right maren $6,000 for the three years okay so so two different things um this is a qualified uh community housing expense and CPC before there was an affordable housing trust CPC did um pay for littleton's participation in in the uh Consortium um and then second the um anticipated costs are somewhat reduced because now we have more communities um so it's probably about $4,000 a year depending on how many um specialist hours uh we reach out for okay So based on all of that I suggest the affordable housing trust pay it out of the CPC we asked the CPC to continue to fund it right and whether it's funded out of the affordable housing trust monies that we already have or whatever it should be part of something we ask right and then we also presented as something to fin Comm and say this is something that we're spending CPC money for that the town could be spending so this is a something that you know another reason why the town should be doing the Blended funds for the CPC because we're basically saying we're saving the town this money you know or if if the town were to spend this it would cost the $4,000 or the $6,000 whatever it is but we're doing it through the CPC is really costing much less to the town because of the match so it makes more sense for it to be paid out of our bucket regardless of where it's actually funded um where the CPC gets their funds okay thank you for thinking that through so um do we have a motion to support this I'll make a motion that we spend $6,000 of from the affordable housing trust to uh rejoin the up to 6,000 to continue our membership in the Consortium I'll second that all right um we have a motion um Angus yes yes Bartlett yes Sue Matthew Matthew nous did Matthew step away okay um and an is a yes so that is um one two three four five five yeses and one abstention no I I I am sorry I was having trouble with my microphone I'm I'm a yes okay all right so six votes to support this um for um renewing for another year thank you very much everyone for that conversation all right so next two things just really quick wanted to make sure that everyone is aware um so this is the um Municipal affordable housing trust fund operations manual so there was a really old one one that was out this one is um more recent and again it has lots of helpful um uh criteria for projects it's helpful to see what other towns have um done to judge vendors um and then uh also their terms of funding um how that's awarded is is also really helpful so if you got some time that's really helpful to go through um any comments or questions item C under board business is this and so this is just an update of the document that we started last year showing progress on the projects related to affordable housing and I know that Mark had brought up the um the parcel at Dean Lane which is uh 55 plus at Cooper farm and where we stand as the trust is we are supporting the planning board's negotiation with a developer so it's really in their hands and um if if there's any kind of recommendation or um comment that you would like Bartlett and or I to make at the next planning board meeting you know let me know now and we can we can do that no comments well planning board doesn't have any power to force um acquisition of that piece of property does it no I I think it it just the the planning board I think would reopen discussions with the field team if if it chose to do so is that correct Marin um yeah I think I I I would put it that the town probably has some leeway to push for acquisition of the parcel what Town Council has recommended will not work is the town pushing for the developer to actually build something on that site so that but I believe the town does have some sway in um obtaining the parcel so can we make a motion to recommend to the select board that they pursue that course I think the larger question might be who who would be best to pursue that um well that's true but but um that could be a topic that perhaps is discussed at the planning board retreat suggestion I have a question yes the Cooper Farm is well advanced in their buildings and everything is there uh the the agreement or the contracts are going to uh granting affordable housing units is there a time limit within which these units should be built or at the you know at the will of the developer um the Cooper Farm estates is is complete the developer has stepped away from it they've sold all the units and they're refusing to build the last affordable unit um there was there were were time frames placed on um when the affordable units would be built and sold and right there's there's 16 units originally the plan was for 16 units in that area and I believe a quarter of them were supposed to be affordable so they built three and then one affordable and then three more and one affordable and they built the last three and they came to the planning board and said this unit has to be a market or it's the end of the world and we said no it has to be um affordable and they basically after some shouting walked away from it left it so they still own the property all the other properties there have been sold um and it's just a vacant lot right now is that a fair summary no yeah and a little process was a little confused by well I won't say confused by but add on top of that um the um sale of The Farmhouse there right the the trust did end up receiving um $350,000 for when The Farmhouse was sold um so the developer feels that that was their contribution to affordable housing yeah so about of contract here and uh is the town council's been all over this up and down and just yeah I've been involved quite a bit now what's the town attorney saying about this that's um that that was Town council's opinion that um it would be very difficult for the town to force the developer to build an affordable unit at that or build anything at that site wow so so the own the the developer owns it and is paying taxes on that lot no no taxes because it's a condo lot it's yeah I had this conversation with yeah so it's oh okay do this because I know that we we are nearing the two hour mark and how about we recommend to the planning board that they please discuss Dean Lane at their Retreat because it's kind of out of our hands I mean all we can do is support their negotiation so does that make sense yep okay all right I see head's ning Angus you okay with that sure all right and Mark and Matthew I can't see you but I assume you're okay with that yep yes all right thank you um all right so our action plan document real quick I just wanted to say that I know in this meeting we had a lot of stuff and that's because you all have been great at raising a lot of different ideas raising different opportunities and I want to be open to to those but if at any point you all say you know what Uncle we're just doing too much I'm with you okay in every committee or every group like this we need people who are working on it and as long as you all are you know committed to continuing to work on projects and and you feel that we're advancing on our goals then great if you feel like it's too much say uncle okay and that we'll just kind of do it that way because it feels like we're doing a lot and we're trying to make sure that we're addressing the need um you know I think on page 10 and 11 of the plan where it shows you know what the Gap is it's pretty clear pretty obvious that we still have a gap particularly with the um uh deeply affordable you know less than 60% Ami and we need to keep trying to focus our efforts on on you know how are we going to address the needs of folks in in in that particular bucket um there are some edits you know minor things a comma here an S there you know nothing major and then a couple of the pages um had the new financial documents slipped in and then um so before we move into the budget I just wanted to ask any comments or questions on any of the editing that was done um I I had a a comment on page 17 which is the five-year budget estimate um you've got at that this is down at the bottom under expenditures you've got the derky farm but I don't see the tahan project is that in there somewhere you're on page 17 okay yeah all right I'm bringing it up sorry about that okay so you are on the budget okay so just real quick so there's no other questions in any of the editing or anything right okay well yeah no not nothing serious okay I just wanted to address those before we go into the budget that's all okay if you have any edits um anyone else no okay all right so regarding the budget so here's the way that I attacked this from the standpoint that I tried to get your feedback at the last meeting and um be able to then incorporate that so that we can talk about this so using the example from another town that Mar had given to us and also from that new um MHP document what this does is it takes our current dollars and then adds any dollars that we think we're going to be getting for the year and then subtracts out any of the project work that we're going to be doing and so the reason why um to Bartlett's point in column the First Column where it says fiscal year 2324 the derky farm project is in there for this year because that's what we paid for the um property insurance um and then the $50 acquisition okay then next year um again assuming that we still have the property we're paying for insurance on that the reason why tahan isn't in here is because um let me see here and this is part of where having this conversation and and I don't know Marin if if you're able to [Music] um uh screen share or if you want me to screen share it um it might be helpful to have the the numbers page up which is Page 17 it'll take me a moment to get there let let me talk about it then so what I did was I said okay we have projects over the next five years that we're going to work on we have small projects and I just again this is all a straw man it can all change based on what you prefer to do small project means it's less than five units a medium-sized project means it's between five to 19 units and then a large project would be more than 20 units and I put these out there I said okay as an example of a small project if we were to do um a small project maybe we contribute $50,000 to a small project next year maybe there's a midsize project in this case being um toah hadan because I think there's a total of five um uh excuse me not tadan tahan would be the um the small project of $50,000 and then a medium-sized project could very well be um jky derky Farm then maybe next year following that maybe we can get another small project going and we contribute another $50,000 and then in 2627 oh good here they come y so you can see from here that the uh project so I'm now in column if you could just scroll it down a little bit so we could see the years Mar there you go thank you and then um so under 20 fiscal year 2627 I said well what if there's a really big project that we that we can contribute money to maybe it's the um leoi project maybe it's a completely different project that that the parcel hasn't even come to our attention yet and we want to contribute big because we want to be able to get a lot out of it maybe we can contribute up to $750,000 okay and then Maybe by our fifth year we have another smaller project that comes up that's what I did because we have had various discussions about things um based off of the two Parcels that we currently have but what finance committee wants to see is how are you guys going to use your money and what this does is it kind of forces the conversation to say well this would be one way of looking at it and somebody else might say oh no I don't foresee that we're ever going to do a big project we're going to do just a bunch of little projects okay well then that $750,000 number has to come out and we put in a couple more small projects or a couple more mediumsized projects so this is completely for discussion purposes okay um yeah and and uh so what are your thoughts about this um well if it makes fincom happy I'm all for it I'm I'm just not I mean we we we can schedule we can estimate what tah hadwan might cost us I just don't know how could figure out um fiscal year 2728 like what we might do I mean we can guess and and and we can say oh we're going to do one big project every five years but we don't know that and it's especially hard because we have no historical trends of like having done this before right um so it's really just a guess and if you know again yeah like Bartlett said will it make Vincom happy yes I mean would they rather have no data than bad data apparently well I I'd like to think about it more as you know the current composition of this board clearly has ideas about what we like to do with this billion dollars now who's to say that you know it it won't be able to raise more money in the future but for right now we haven't talked about that nor are there projects on the horizon that we can say oh we're going to be getting x amount of fees in L of you know on this project that's coming up we just haven't had those discussions about how do we bring money in other than through our existing relationship with the CPC and so if you notice up above under the revenue piece of it um I just put up that we would continue the $90,000 a year request to CPC every year for LP to continue that project um you know if we were to then um request funding for um a large project perhaps in 25 to 26 so that we could have that money to to help contribute to that $750,000 in 2627 so that would be another major ask again we're sort of assuming that there will be a large project on the horizon for for for us to work on interest is a continuous item and then um the $506,000 is from money that was just allocated to CPC reserves for Grimes and Jones so there's thought behind each of those numbers but it's just based on conjecture of whatp of projects we'll have so in your in your mind given this $1 million how do how have each of you envisioned we spend it little projects a variety of projects one big project big party no small party that's not allowed in CPC um Anna um you put in the in the revenue you put in the 115,000 that we got this year can we assume that we're going to get something every year I mean could you just take that number and you know inflate it by 3% every year or something would that make sense not under the new agreement that we have with CPC we can't okay there's no more generalized funding all right so we so we're relying on the 990,000 that we specifically asked for and any other asks that are specific for a project correct okay I've always thought that you know one of the things that we could do best is use our money as leverage to get other things I think like the habitat is a good example of Y we can spend $100,000 to get a $400,000 value for the town but I don't think that really stay I don't think that that declares that it's a small medium or large project if we ended up spending $750,000 because the state gave us 15 million I would say that's a big win for the town exactly right but um it's just it's it's I guess it seems more likely that we would do small and medium projects um but I don't have any evidence that that's you know but if a windfall comes along we should do it I guess that that's how I would approach it and and that comment Matthew is actually really helpful because the whole idea is if a windfall comes would we be ready for it right because if we spend a lot of the money you know 100,000 here 100,000 there pretty soon it's like oh we don't have that much money left we certainly don't have enough to contribute to a large project oh now we have to go fund raise to get monies back as opposed to kind of saving for a big project so that's where again I don't have the answers I I would love to hear everybody else's input so the fact that you say you you see more small and medium projects that's really helpful so can I suggest we table this until Kim's back because Kim also had ideas like you know where we could buy you know like a $500,000 house at the lake for example and put a restriction on it and then turn around and sell it for $400,000 right and we that would be another type of one of these projects where we need to have the cash accessible to us and it would be something we would do a quick turnaround and I don't know if that maybe that qualifies as a small project but it is something we definitely haven't even tried something like that before so so in that sence what you're describing Mark if I understand it correctly it's almost like flipping it yeah we could buy a house put a restriction on it and flip it maren do you have any comments about that idea um there are some communities that do that um they tend to the ones I'm familiar with uh they bring the they they rehab them somewhat um because that's the only usually the only time that the affordable housing trust can be part of the purchase process otherwise the sales price is too high um that could certainly explore that um and then just the only other one that came to mind um was um your example of the um unit at the mobile home park uh it looked like it was a unit that was extremely dated um I don't think we had ever considered you know purchasing a unit there and um taking the old mobile home out and installing a new mobile home putting a deed restriction on that and well which might prove difficult I'm given is it's you're renting the the slot but um sorry to jump in with a whole different idea but it's it's you know along the same lines yeah okay okay yeah I'm happy to table this subject again we we do want to um be responsive to to fincom in terms of creating a budget that we can stand behind and then going and talking about it with them um so yep and doing those flipping type projects might be like leading more to like becoming like a land trust or something too right if we wanted to do something like that so it's just something to think about is a potential that we might be pursuing okay great yay Angus sue your comments questions in principle I agree uh if it's uh something that we have to do to get to an end goal of uh funding weal certainly yes uh if we have to um make uh how would I call it um just make up stuff for years to come that we don't know what's going to happen that's fine as long as it gets us the funds that we need to run the trust correct great well so um we will discuss this some more so between now and the next meeting please you know consider it consider the question you know how would you like to spend this money smaller projects medium projects and if you have another way of thinking about it that isn't size based you know please come to the table with that and then we can finalize this puppy and if you do have any editorial comment Mr Harvey please let me know as well okay all right so next we come to item e which is election of new officers which we have to do every June um so I guess I would open it up for nominations for chair and I did ask Kim if she was interested um Kim and sue if they were interested and um Kim said Kim declined Sue you're muted Sue declined too Anna would you would you accept a a nomination to continue as chair unless somebody else wants to have this much [Music] fun I've I've been there and done that so no I'm gonna nominate you I'll all right um all in favor I I I I I all right thank you thank you for your support uh Vice chair who would we like to nominate for vice chair let's keep I nominated Bartlett second second all right Mr Bartlett Harvey do you accept uh yeah I'll accept if nobody tells my wife I'll accept you get to be the one to tell her no no no I know better than that all right uh well I'll have to decide on that part I've got five dollar for you if you go my way all right so all in favor for Bartlett as Vice chair I I okay thanks you're welcome thank you for serving and um Inus Michaels is our current clerk um who would like to make a nomination for um Clerk or nominate yourself for clerk does angus want to continue yes I will nominate Angus I will second all right all in favor all right thank you very much Angus for interiew year as clerk all right um maren would you mind reporting out these um changes to the town clerk or not not changes continuations thank you very much um and so all right we just have a couple of really quick things um I just wanted to thank Sue very much um and all of you for reviewing the work that um Sue did for our first newsletter contribution yes indeed thank you sue and um I think um we should once we have the action plan and the budget um finalized we should go ahead and contribute that um so unless there's any other ideas for the next issue we might skip it and then wait till the next one well I I think we'll have an update on habitat for the next one to say that we're moving along so right I think we've got at least a few sentences to say about habitat and whatever I don't and I don't think the budget necessarily needs to go in there but the action plan probably wouldn't be B right well and that would just be the the link to the action plan if people want to look at the budget that's okay who would like to write that next I nominate Sue no only Sue can nominate Sue I'll continue that sure thank you very much um so since we are moving on then to G reviewing the code of conduct I would also like for taking a first crack at that and there we call Uncle right there okay the only thing I would say is um that I think it's at a point now what I've done so far is it's at a point now where a couple of heads have to sit together and and go through wording that would fit affordable housing trust okay all right well I think you did a fine job as the first crack and um given that we are you know fairly pressed into the night how about um um I'll help I'll I'd be happy to work on it with somebody else and sue if you want to continue working on it or with someone else I'm willing to help too having done the other one so we'll take a crack at that um and then come back for the next meeting thank you again Sue for initiating that with us all right item H do any trustees have any updates you'd like to share NOP okay item I oh excuse me I just thought one quick update um Thursday this week Thursday the beam is going up on the um oh yes and anyone can go and sign the beam between now and Thursday morning and every public is invited to sign and it's right outside the library fabulous that's always fun yeah thank you very much for sharing that all right um item I we have a minutes that um thank you um to our clerk um Angus for reviewing those minutes and providing some initial word smithing um are there any other comments if not do we have a motion to approve those minutes from May 21 I'll make a motion to approve them all right second second all right thank you um all those in favor Angus I Mark hi Matthew hi Bartlett hi Sue Hi and Anna's yes so all those minutes for May 21st are approved all right so next guest speaker if we have one we'll um I'll reach out um or Marin or I will reach out to Rick um and um see if he would be able to come and um talk with us and then let's see the next meeting is scheduled for Tuesday July 16th um so I'm not able to be here on Tuesday July 16th so the choices do we postpone it to Tuesday July 23rd or do we have our esteemed Vice chair handle that meeting I'll be traveling July 16th I'll still be in transit I won't be available yeah I'm available on the 23rd the 23rd is doable for me 23rd's good for me okay let's change it okay all right so the meeting for July will be on Tuesday July 23rd yep great all right so thank you everyone for such a very long meeting um appreciate all of your time and um do we have a motion to adjourn so moved second second woohoo all right thanks everyone thank you guys