[Music] game seven hockey game tonight too uh good evening Littleton uh welcome to the select board meeting for Monday June 24th 2024 we're going to begin with an executive session of approximately 15 minutes or so and then go back and open session so um ready move that the select board vote to enter into executive session pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 3A section 21 A2 to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with non-union Personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with non-union Personnel police Union and return to open session thereafter second move by Matthew second by Karen roll call vote Mr Wilson I Mr deos hi uh Mr nous hi Miss Morrison hi and I'm and I uh will be in executive session and hopefully back in 15 thank you we didn't did we talk about Park and recre about that's where to hold off just make you talk about the M you talk s to go back to I actually intended on coming by um last Sunday no Jam's thing apologize no worries appreciate the offer of course the invitation yeah no you did get back to me did I your like doesn't look good which yeah did I you did cross my heart just so you know can't your just sit in the front we don't want to do that what we can hear you we heard you out in the what what are you guys doing here what's what are you bringing in they're here for you I think I'll here for Matas Mr nous hands up against the wall please what did my son do this is a full house yep [Music] okay uh we're going to start with a pledge of allegiance starting with the pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all um and before we get into the agenda I'd like to have um two veterans from Littleton uh David Wickam and Roger LeBlanc have passed away in the past few weeks and I'd like to have a moment of silence for them if we could thank you okay thank you uh so we have a fairly light agenda we're going to do read mail uh Matias has a wants to present an Eagle Scout project we have Department updates recognition of the police department and naming of the new Senior Center uh at 7:00 we should have public input members update uh we have a licensing to vote for a liquor one day liquor license for milward Brewing um then select board discussions on the hcas for the marijuana establishments in town uh board appointments nagog Orchard discussion uh The Taking of the Webster property Town Hall hours for July 5th um minutes approval and then adjournment at 8:00 exactly 8:00 exactly 8:00 uh so we'll start with the mail fantastic thank you very much Mr chairman um just sign up for please everyone sign up for to receive public notifications for the town of Littleton uh ww. Littleton ma.org SL SLS subscribe Community impacts Transportation issues public health concerns public SA safety activity town meeting changes town events so stay informed also have a letter uh to the chairman um from uh the Littleton lelwd and the purpose of the letter is to that provides notification regarding lwd RightWay herbicide application program um select herbicides may include Roundup Pro EPA um has uh and Aquatic herbicide um it's affected application as affected areas will take place between approximate date of July 2nd and November 1st uh application activities will begin and select right of ways in Littleton and boxboro to help control poison ivy and other nuisance and has a vegetation species this has also been approved by the Department of Agriculture massachus calth of Massachusetts uh and they are in um uh uh are in approval of that also um there is all of these still we still have lot we just uh there yeah so there's a lot of openings look on the town website for the openings look uh after today because there'll be fewer after the appointments later today fantastic and that is it okay next up Eagle Scout [Music] project I'm assuming I'm right here yeah all right so um hello my my name is Matias lroy I'm a life Scout in F 20 Littleton and I met with uh three members of the town of wion Mr racher Mr Dugen town ministrator and that lady right over there [Music] I um about my Eagle Scout project so I reached out to uh Mr Dugen about a few weeks ago to talk about possibly installing a mini food pantry box at either the new Senior Center or at the Town Offices wherever would be most convenient um you guys might have printed them out already but I have little one Sheets if you guys need something and you can that thank you Happ so um I'm sure some of you are wondering what a little mini food pantry box is uh if you've ever seen a mini library or a little Library you'll know it's essentially the same concept uh you take food if you need some extra you weave some if you have some extra um it's supported a lot by the community and the people in charge of maintaining it basically just keep a food supply in case it runs a little low uh make sure it's in good condition throughout the year and I decided on this for my Eagle Scout project because I made one for my local church which is in South Acton right by the train station uh and I made one and I saw just how much of an effect it had on the local community in fighting food insecurity uh which you wouldn't realize for Acton with how much of a upper middle class Town it is but a lot of people really struggle with food insecurity and we saw a lot of we heard a lot of people uh come forward to you know with just stories uh to tell to the people at church about like just how much it impacted them um so I saw how important of a mission kind of this was so I decided to do that times four cuz it's four times the Outreach I guess so one as you can see with the pictures up there uh in the bottom left I installed for uh Cornerstone Church which is in Westford um the middle right picture is the second one that I installed for Congregation Beth Elohim which is also an Acton and I have two more one I wanted to give to my school uh the poker chter School in Deon and the other I would want you guys to have if you would so kindly take it um um so I met with as I said those three people from the select board last Tuesday about the possibility of you taking a fuit pantry box I went over what was necessary things to keep in mind for uh what the responsibilities were um helpful information the other parts of my Eagle Scout project such as the fact that I've done a food drive so that the boxes basically have a starting supply of food and you're not starting with an empty box and I did a food drive over Memorial Day weekend and ended up raising over like 700 lb of food and something like $500 in donations so B can pack there um most of it I'm not sure where you going to put it we were thinking of um was talking to you before andz I was wondering who is Liz okay yeah sorry I was talking to Liz before um what we had speculated is that a possible place that would work pretty well is right by the multi-purpose room uh in front of the fence there uh know there's like three sections and on one side there's a bench and the other side's pretty clear has a lot of parking spaces right in front of it um one of the things about the mini food pentry box I know a lot of people in need of help often you know don't want to be seen as needing help and so uh it's a great place for you know if they need anonymity um and don't want to be in like the public eye right on the Main Street it's really out of the way they can park like down the street and you know walk and just grab some food uh it's easily stockable since it's right on the premises of the little town offices um and coincidentally enough it's right by where the old uh troop Hall used to be so I'm very familiar with the area um I think that's most of it uh we talked about installing uh sometime in the next week or so I really readily available to install whenever is most convenient um I have a team of volunteers I can talk to and call on uh and we can get it in the ground tomorrow if need be would so just going to you have to call up Mr Clyde and he'll have it in right you know he was the person as you can see in the top two pictures he was the person that uh was the MVP of our install team um I hope he didn't use an excavator to put those in we actually didn't uh he was enough um he's his own ex he was uh he will up in his truck we got both the boxes in in about 3 hours uh including travel time between the two um funny thing he actually looked at the install location for uh congregation Beth Elohim uh which the only thing that people have to do before we install is called Dig Safe just so we don't run into like a pipe or gas line or something like that um he took one look at the spot and said hey I noticed there's a patch over here of grass that's growing differently cuz it has a divot in it so I know that's where the guys pushed the snow and I said what do you mean you know how can you tell so he said can we move it a few feet to the right and they said uh we defer to you and I said I defer to him so just move it a few feet to the right um so he's a great resource that I have um but yeah I have a lot of volunteers just like Mr Clyde uh willing eager way to help out um reliable so whatever you guys need we can get it done it's great any comments no I this is fantastic I I would just say when you're going to put it in maybe just let Jim know so if one of us are available is to come down andever help's needed or yeah just kind of kick it off it's great thank you this is a fantastic fantastic job thanks for thinking of us too so no no problem uh reach out to a lot of places so I'm glad I finally got a few that will take them I love the level of detail you went into Mattias with um even just guiding people what types of um products to put in Easy opening cans you know just that kind of level of details uh shows that you you truly were invested in this project and uh hats off to you thank you very much hi Matas hi um I know when I was involved with Littleton Community farm that food insecurity in Littleton is a real problem even though it doesn't seem like the kind of place it would be there were a lot of people who took advantage of the food that was available there for free um and so I applaud you for doing this I think it's going to be a very valuable thing and uh thank you hi Matas hi fun I know a lot of people on this board well connected young man um so yeah I mean what everybody else said this is a great project thanks for thinking of us and yeah full support appreciate it yeah I agree this is a great project and um we actually when we were meeting with him before we asked if we could get more so and um and we talked about potentially doing more outside of your Eagle Scout project when you have spare time in your senior year he was actually very nice on how we how we refuse that I've got all the me measurements to give to you and you you know you can yes smooth way of saying no I would really like to help you I just really want to get done with my e project because fair enough goodness it's been two years and quite a lot of headaches and like five more Eagle Scout project is really not in the budget for n l so look for a motion uh do we need a motion' be nice move that we we uh approve the location as proposed for baas lroy Eagle Scout project to install a mini food pantry in front of the multi-purpose room at shadik Street second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor I good luck thank Youk thank you next up the police department recognition of the trilogy [Music] award good evening and thank you for giving me five minutes off your agenda tonight to uh recognize the police department and an award that uh deputy chief Patterson and myself uh committed to uh six years ago to make sure that we had uh were able to receive this award uh the trilogy award for the agency is a um is for the entire Command Staff to have completed the actual Trilogy of the FBI the trilogy is three different steps it's a supervisor Leadership Institute which is a 40-hour class command Leadership Institute another 40-hour class and then the executive Leadership Institute which is the highest level of the classes once you have the entire Command Staff um completed through all the trilogy then you'll be able to receive your agency award there's only 144 cities and towns agencies in across the country that have received this award we are one of the 144 and out of that 144 there's only 11 other departments in Massachusetts that received it and one in the 11 so I know it's just a plaque on a wall but you know some it's a huge uh accomplishment for our department and for our community to know we have such strong educated leaders so thank you again for five minutes tonight U I'd like to have a picture with come of the officers and you guys if you could I I just want to thank you for um making education and training a priority for the Department I think it makes a huge difference and it's a it's an incredible benefit to our community and I really appreciate it and I appreciate everybody on your in your department who like invests in their own education and their own training to further their career but also just to improve the department thank you hug Mr yeah I'll Echo what Matthew said and also just um say thank you for the the commitment dedication and uh passion that you and the department show um towards your profession and towards our community it's um it it saying bit earlier that U we've got we're fortunate we have a very professional um cohesive committed department and uh that goes top down and and bottom up and I appreciate leadership and and taking the uh the time to invest your own time to uh make this happen and uh you know also um what Matthew said relative to everybody's development and growth thank you yeah just same thank you and I these things don't just happen I know that so it's been a working project six years uh the deputy and I committed that we wanted to make sure that we were able to receive this award and uh we finally were able to follow through the whole way with having all of our Command Staff attend all three classes so than so congratulations on the award and all the hard work what's next I don't know we'll see what have you done for me lately so okay you want a picture yeah I love with all the offic round of applause see told good okay good Stu to [Music] thank got here uh so moving on the naming of the new Senior Center what it's going to be named the Wilson Aquatic Center right behind it that was my joke last it was it was worth you were missing sorry good evening hi hi U Liz TRC director of Elder and Human Services and I am here for our um second round of discussion on the naming of our new building um as you'll see in the packet uh the COA board recommended to name the building the center on shadic Street uh we're presenting that to you for your approval we think that this name is versatile it's all inclusive of all of the services that are inside the building Elder and Human Services Council on Aging the senior center and veteran services um we envision it being the center on shat Street home of Elder and Human Services Council on Aging or Senior Center and veteran services um in some combination of those words so I'm just presenting that again here tonight to see if we can make a decision so just to be we talked about this two meetings ago and the policy said we had to couldn't decide it at that last meeting so we are hopefully deciding at this meeting um and um just be clear why was the Wilson Aquatic Center ruled out oh see here we go again we don't have any Aquatics donations as of yet had to cut the pool the right donation it'll become C I'm in favor that's all I'm going to say I think it's a great name okay I appreciate the amount of input that you've taken and uh made it made it a collabora decision y sign a beam this week too so move the select board vote to the new Senior Center the center on shadik street is recommended by the Council on Aging second mve by Matthew second by Gary all those in favor I li Liz before you leave you want to talk about the beam signing sure yes popping out um this Thursday um the 27th at 11:00 a.m. we'll be holding a beam signing right out here outside the library um the beam is currently out there with the town's logos and our logos Commodore and vertex on it it's painted white um we're going to be putting out Sharpies in the morning anyone can sign their name to be part of this uh momentous occasion and then on Thursday morning at 11:00 we'll be doing the ceremony hoisting it up um and doing the topping off of the final beam of the project um so we hope members of the public can join us we'll have some some food 11: to 1 we'll see you there and they can come and sign the beam anytime before Thursday anytime before Thursday morning okay thank you where is the beam going to be located is it is it going to be visible from inside no it's inside the building this building to the left no I mean it's installed no then it's inside the ceremonial more than anything yeah it's right it's like a Cornerstone there's one in this building as well that we that we have we all signed that well most of us signed that's unfortunately not visible yeah it's an iron workers um tradition tradition yeah they put a flag on one end a tree on the other hoist it up yeah that's cool select select wood stands on the beam while it's being hoisted F of that that's optional spin it optional the public gets to choose which select board member that one where it is you just get to choose which ones are on the end which thank you thank you thank you guys a lot of work stua uh members update lead us off car it's all you member um yeah what was I I was actually going to talk about the the the beam signing this week so just a reminder um but uh I attended the carnival yesterday waited till the last day it seemed to be the day that we had the most time to go to the carnival Without Rain um but uh great event I my understanding is it sounds like uh the rotary it's going to have it a couple times a year it seemed like they were trying to get it at least once a year but they were talking about potentially twice a year um I think uh the w we couldn't have had worse weather for the four days it was like every evening we we you know the thunderstorms popped up and it was wet but um it's out there now people people are aware of it I think every time we do it it'll just get more and more um but it was it was a fantastic job uh by the rotary a lot of work went into it I know to get get make that happen um oddly enough uh where it was placed you you really couldn't see it from King Street and made me think about the buildings that are potentially going to go in there how when that those things are set back it's very difficult to see but up at the cinema you could see that Paris I was like what that I know yeah so that no it's a a great event um and I know a lot of people put a lot of work in to make that happen so um oh in that same vein I know we're wearing these buttons uh the applean tri Tri one is the 21st 21st July July so yeah next month so just another great event that littleon um puts on this is the 20th where we're all wearing the buttons um so please come out participate volunteer uh whatever you can do uh to make that event spectacular as it always is so thank you well my Big Thunder was the uh the applean but um thanks k um but there are opportunities other than participating in the triath laon um or volunteering in the trff one there's also sponsorship opportunities um so you can either reach out to um your favorite rotary member or you can reach out I'm happy to take any calls or emails if anybody's interested in um any type of sponsorship of of the event um rotary is a a really important part of our community and they do a lot they give a lot back and um the appman is a huge fundraiser for them the carnival now is also going to be pretty significant fundraiser and a lot of organizations that have been in need have have leaned into uh rotary and rotary's always been there and answered the call so um you know hats off to uh Chris Alin and um charl kie Denise monz and I shouldn't start naming names I'm going to leave out a whole bunch of people so I'll stop there but um the entire rotary Community um actually Our Town Administrator is a member of rotary um I I don't know how much work he did on this one but he's going to do a lot in the Apple Man something it's going to be in a bathing suit long I am not swimming but um yeah thanks to all the members and for all those that that came out and participated at the carnival uh I held office hours on Friday um so thanks to everyone who came by um I wanted to thank the nooba praying Indians for welcoming us to the Strawberry Moon celebration on Saturday um I was able to attend for part of the uh celebration and it was fantastic um I also attended the fair on Saturday and um the kids gave it two thumbs up and I also so thanks to Rotary for that and also thank you to Rotary for um I know that they held their uh youth leadership awards over the weekend at Pittsburgh state that they sponsored several um Littleton high school students and um that that's a huge undertaking and it's it's has a big impact on the kids and on the community so thank you for that um and I wasn't sure if I remembered to talk about the shade tree committee um providing uh the planning board with a proposed policy for the replacement of town trees at 95 Taylor and that was accepted by the planning board and so that's my shade tree committee leison update that's great um I think everything I was going to talk about has been covered by other people so thank you that my brief update um so thank you to Rotary for all they've done for the carnival and everything else um I also went to uh Senator eldrid held a his green advisory uh committee U meeting on Saturday uh there was a presentation about um the electric grid um and where where uh stations and Power Plants and Things Are being um uh cited going forward uh and he talked about the the Senate just passed a bill um um banning plastic bags Statewide and a couple other things so stay tuned on that um and that's pretty much all I have so um public [Music] input to get him a walk up song yeah George sand 672 great roid Mr chairman on the disability commission we asked you about the money of the $35,000 we was asking to uh do the survey for the town course uh we've been working uh very hard to find out exactly what we need to tell you in that letter there was a letter that Dian if she hadn't sent it to you yet tells you that um I was able to find out that the town does not have to come up with the $35,000 the state will pay for the thing entirely all we have to do is submit the plan and I have the information for what three areas are the five that we need to submit to the state and I believe there's RPF that uh we would have to go out and ask the consultant what they would charge to do this for the town and I believe we have to enclose that as a copy of that we miss uh this year they open it up on the first of May and it closed out on June the 12th so it would open up again projected May the 1st of 2520 and close again in June so with we're going to make sure that we have everything in place and send it uh up to the mod for them to check it out and make sure that we have no problem when we submit it so that's in the plan so that 35,000 y'all can forget about it you don't have to worry about it so I I was able to find that out however uh Diane is going to be sending you a request for $3500 and I would hope that y'all will give her the $3,500 because she needs that to put a monitor in over there so the Town Clerk and the moderator can read the results from voting over there and I talked to um uh Mark Cory and he said that a 21 a 27 in monitor with a stand is what they're going to need so I will hope that my hard work of saving this town 35,000 that you'll give her 3,500 to go out and buy a monitor it's not this big Mark said but go out and buy a monitor whatever the best quality between uh it and mock is going to determine what's the best unit to get so I would certainly appreciate you putting support in that and helping that and she going to be send a letter to you to uh Mr dogen and to F con thank you I thank you actually Mr s if I may um do you know on the $35,000 that's not reimbursable by by the state you you do not have to come up with any money at all okay they're going to pay for it 100% they just kind of sneaky about that sometimes but I think I think this is a change compared to before okay that uh you had to come up with some matching fund but now you do not have to come up with it and they have the money there excellent and and through the chair I I know the um it wasn't heavily applied for by this by communities in the state um where I think it's 2027 this is going to be a mandate somewhere in that neighborhood right so we're ahead that c well we could have been really way ahead but I think if we jump on this for for next year cycle we'll hopefully you know we'll still be ahead of it and we won't we'll be in a situation where by the time it's enforced so to speak we'll already be well on our way and the study will be done and we can be working our way towards uh yeah that's what that's what we definitely hoping so I told Diane I went in and sort of kind of uh did a recapitulation of the areas that they spoke of and I probably put that down in in our uh disability uh committee uh commission rather we're going to put on the agenda some designated time that we can work to put this together and then we're going to send it up to uh Mr Dugan uh at the state and have him to review it and let us know if we need to make any changes whatever the case is so when we do submit it we know that it go through so he saw kind of assured me you don't have to worry about you get it in you'll get the money thank you thank you so when that comes around we should make sure we have us someone that can help do the grant because I know from doing the One-Stop Grant Grant application for the pable Housing Trust they're not easy to do if you don't know what you're doing so right and one that's one of the um priorities that we making for the facilities director that uh whoever he or she is is going to that's going to be one of the first things out of the gate that they going to be assigned to do Anita Harding 19 R Street Littleton um on Saturday I was rather disappointed to go to Fay Park and see such a small turnout for the cultural and historical committee doing the Indian poow I couldn't even find a sign anywhere in Littleton or on Foster Street or anything advertising that the poow was taking place my daughter-in-law is Cherokee and mcmack and we've been to powow and we've seen how important the culture and the way the Indians celebrate the veterans and everyone else and I think it's important for Littleton and citizens to follow that culture um I did see Karen there and I was there for a short period of time the weather wasn't great but it wasn't even advertised I didn't really find out about it until 9:00 Friday night I got a call from a member of the Historical Society so it was a shame um and I think it should be done over again and really advertised um because it was a very poor turnout so um just to address that I believe that that was their choice not to advertise it it was what it was their choice not to advertise it this was like a practice run for them they were planning a bigger event for next year it was more of a um soft opening soft opening so oh okay well that's good good to hear and hopefully next year it will be well advertised yes okay I know in the past they've done powow that have been quite substantial in welled like 2017 or 2018 they did one that was like if you've never been to the religious part of of power you really should go it's it's important [Music] yes Browns 25 Juniper Road um I've seen many of you at the financial policies working group discussion um I Come Away thinking uh maybe that title and name is required is by Statute or something but that seems more like a road map with regard to how the town's monies are accumulated and spent and it seems like well I was a finance guy in my career it's different than F Finance policies that I had so I just encourage it because I think you might get more participation in terms of participation I agree with Anita Karen it was a great event they they did some real nice things at at that uh that event uh the working policies I think were very very fortunate to have Fred and and Steve I know a number of you you know certainly Ryan there's a lot of participation it's a lot of good stuff that's that's done there I feel very very good um uh hearing what takes place there um along the way um I came across the pilot program that's a specific policy that's mentioned there I just wonder if there's a way because it talks about Case by case whether you guys can be creative and expansive and push the boundaries if needed with regard to the orchard um because it it seems like that's a thorny issue with regard to some of the working group members and if there's a way to make that happen and and solve that issue I think or help with that issue I think that'd be helpful um I'm curious later on if you uh got a response back from mapc with regard to uh public meeting I I think the worker groups meeting this week and I hope that uh they have a response coming with regard to uh getting on with that part um thanks with regard to a lot of good things happen in the Long Lake neighborhood area um the uh ADA Compliant walkway on Long Lake Beach really terrific I mean I I every time I'm there somebody's talking about how good it is and how great it is and uh really really terrific the other thing that you know many of you may have seen was there was a huge dumpster finally came and uh conservation finally got it it wasn't their issue it was uh difficulty getting permits to get all the stuff out but it was 22 1/2 by uh 7/2 by like about 4 1/2 ft and we filled it up problem is we could fill it up several more times easily just in that immediate area but um thanks for uh to park and rock conservation llna getting a lot of people out there on April 20th and getting that done um the um another positive thing that that Jim announced um I know the work's about to be done but thank the police chief Steve yley the highway department everybody you know Mark I don't know all the people involved I just know some of the safety issues that I know I've spoken to some of you about they're on the verge of being addressed the Public's really happy about it words kind of getting around the street and really positive about that uh lastly um I know you've all been invited to pontone pontoon boat ride on spec Pon I just did it last week it's eye opening I mean if if if you want to see fanor basically wall to- wall in that Lake Now's the Time to go before any you know treatment is done and I think you'd be shocked as to how pervasive and problematic uh that vegetation is so with that I'm done thank you thank you do you want to update on anyone else else um The Bu the projects is there any updates on I I will have something for neog when we get to neog okay but um but Shane no yeah shakeer Lane um we are currently um working the committee is currently working with our new designer Studio G to particularly look at um the feasibility of um wiam field and other alternative sites in town um you should ask the board if they have any other thoughts about looking you know this is the window of time when they're looking at alternative sites so there're any any any Spa any any locations you can think of you can forward them to Jim and I and we can forward them to because that that's the point where they're looking at right now and thinking okay if we did look at alternative sites this is this is it because we realized we have to you know do that and do our due diligence on that front um so um and then we're just sort of plugging plugging away on on that front so that that's the next part of it and then they're going to be working on the next phase is looking at the possibility of rehab and is that a possibility or you know is the recommendation going to be um um full full rebuild for for that project so Green Field project yeah I think they're visiting another school tomorrow in Millis too so we looked at three so far uh and then the next one is is this other school in milso getting some ideas about what design components they want to have in the project okay through the chair what what's the um what's the reimburse about the reimburse I gu the match I think it's about 40 4 yeah 40 okay uh moving on licensing uh one day license for milward Brewing Company not sure if anybody's here okay where where are they where are they going to find out in a minute yeah thank you for having us uh we've been invited to uh serve beer at the uh great roads uh kitchens uh little festival type of thing and uh so we're here to try to get the one- day license yeah that's it that uh Theo the market yep the Farms you're aware of it only known as spring D yes yes I have to look at the back I assume there's no issues with anybody no no issu I had I had a question um where are you located your your actual business our Brewery is in Kingsboro okay you want to plug it go right ahead middle sex Road okay oh that's good do you have a tap room yeah yes okay well there you go go visit it that's good ready for motion move that the select board vote pursuant to Mass General La chapter 138 section 14 to issue a special license also known as a one-day liquor license to Roberta milward of milward Brewing Company DBA modest Roots Brewing Company for wine and Malt Beverages for a community event on Tuesday June 25th 2024 between the hours of 5:30 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. at Theo's Market Garden located at 571 Grey Road second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor I that's tomorrow all right retirement's been good to him um thank you if you can wait just for a minute we can sign because I I believe you've already paid okay want be sign uh no we're going to sign up and give you the license and give you the license okay okay um select board discussions on the HCA okay I will have to recuse myself for this let's sign this for Smith yeah I was going to go grab [Music] it Ryan relative to the shakane do we know what size um parcel would be necessary for the school I think that's something that the designers is looking at and then of course seeing whether or not the wickom site would be right would be suitable for it they have a campus right down behind us where you'd have three schools right that's what they'd be you know and then of course looking at all the other elements of that which is um just make sure it's all thank you the other elements of that which um you know egress Ingress um and uh setbacks that kind of thing as well so all right set could be on our town soon Lu okay uh so the we have the four hcas um in front of us um these are basically updated according to the latest from the CCC correct um there as um a further um we got from Town Council on Friday the social justice policies for the HCA going forward it was too late to have it for this meeting so we'll present them at our next meeting and probably vote them for the the following meeting so um and I think Mark to the uh the grading Matrix as well for U new applications that ties into that as well that's a good does anyone have any comment on the HC that we have in front of us it's pretty much a boiler plate based all states the states kind of said you can do yeah do we know why the dates are all different they expire in different dates it doesn't it's based upon their operations right when they I think 5 year HDA and it's based upon their their St some of them are eight years from now and some of them are 5 years from now and some of them seem to be completely random dates and I don't know but you know I don't think it it matters materially uh then we can put something subject subject to you know just clarification from EV town counc I guess it's a good question to find out if we can get them all locked into the same dates would' be great but there must be a reason obviously so the only other question I had on the HCA is um um Community has an HCA or their HCA also allows them for grow but they don't actually have a permit for grow right so we're allowed to issue as many hcas as we want I know the planning board's talking about a bylaw restricting the number of grows but these two aren't in Conflict even if they have the HCA if the the numbers go down at town meeting vote it they still have the right if one became available they just can't do anything with it because there aren't any more available I that's Town Town Council question but any of these hcas do not ensure anybody the ability to operate right they have to go through the plan of go process right but but we can issue as many hcas as we would like so even though Community has the HCA to grow that doesn't mean they can right correct because they don't have a permit to correct or a license do they not have the no they don't have they withdrew it they withdrew it okay yeah yeah I know that I know they had it scheduled but you're yeah yeah so I think that um kind of similar to the the 245 Foster Street if they had something in place prior to the the bylaw changing um they would have the right to do it but if if Collective does not have something in place yeah for us well even I mean the HCA doesn't change what they can do because it still has to go through the permit and the licensing CCC yeah does anyone have any other comments on the really a clean up I'm glad the state um didn't push the cart so far in front of us the horse that we we you know we got ourselves into some tough situations but I think it's they definitely have come a long way since our boat two years ago or three years ago okay I think Town council's done a great job kind of sheering us through this and and and staying very much a breast of what's going on at the state level without really without a strong structure from the state till this year so ready yep move the select board vote to approve the updated host Community agreements hcas with the following companies Community Care Collective mrm Industries LLC G7 Labs Sanctuary medicinals second U Move by Karen second by check all those in favor thank you and like I said the uh the social Justice one will be coming next month um we and then after that we can entertain new hcas board appointments so we have I believe seven of them it's actually we um I think we went back and took out the constables because that is an appointment um by police chief and with a recommendation to to the select board so we corrected that and it's just the four you just the four okay okay move that the select board vote to approve the Slate of appointments as amended in the table below second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor I ngog Hill Orchard discussions and next steps uh do you want to start Matthew sure um so I guess a couple things Mark and I had a conversation with Jenny Merill um with and she provided some options on different approaches that we could take and what permissions we needed for a lease for a um Right to Farm agreement um for a there was a the third one was sorry give me one second uh creating a unique program via a special act which seems like a long shot to me but it's a possibility um the other item that we should discuss tonight is um the the mission of the working group um I think we discussed it briefly at our last meeting but the whole board wasn't here so we decided that we wanted to have a little bit more conversation I think that the working group's opinion is that they have done the work and created the recommendation and that recommendation stands that they're interested in uh they believe that selling it the orchard is still the best approach um the approach that I am trying to move forward is to educate the uh residents and engage in some input via M mapc public sessions um and bring the uh proposal to sell back to the town in in the fall um I don't know we have we have an orchard meeting um tomorrow or Wednesday night I believe I don't know which of the members will continue to serve on the on that working group I believe that they will assist us during the public input sessions but I'm not sure that they are going to continue to to serve on the working group they feel that they've done they've done their job and that there isn't more to do so those are the two topics I think we should discuss briefly or discuss tonight so um so on the meeting with uh Jenny we talked about there's three possibilities we can continue with the selling we can lease or we can enter into a management agreement um the management agreement um means that we can either um it's the lease agreement they're required to basically pay uh real estate taxes on it the management agreement we can either pay them or they can pay us depending on how it goes so we can actually enter in a management agreement now with a farmer to go and mow the fields for example right or um the management agreement has restrictions though as far as the buildings are concerned it's really hard to enter a management agreement on the buildings we can enter a management agreement on the fields but not the buildings those have to be lease or sale options so and I believe that both of both the lease and the management agreement would require an RFP and the and the bid process yes so um we could make the RFB simple and I think if we if this board chooses to lease we would try to make that RFP very simple the next one that we that we go out with but it would require both of those options would require one so I'm not sure that it would be very quick it's not something that we can probably get someone in to say for example do the haying this year yeah who pays the taxes under the management agreement there uh they don't have to pay taxes under the management agreement necessarily because it's the town property okay I mean I'm you know my my stance on it um you on a slippery slope when we're talking about a sale and I know you you kind of been behind that in the working group that was the what they came to I guess but I'm still stuck in a town meeting voting it down and I think it's our duty to push forward as much as we can for the lease and the management of it if that's that's the other option I I just because you're you'd still we lose six months if we come to a November vote and I know you you're saying that well it was so close and everything but it also could go the other way very quickly more people come out to say I don't want to sell this property and I I want to stay away from that I want to stick with the charge um out of town meeting which was we're keeping the orchard I said that you know right out of the gate that's that's that's where I stand on it um and what that looks like financially so I'm more behind the RFP process um getting creative uh with leasing managing um the tree cutting to to create what whatever we have to do to get that farm into a manageable place to make it attractive for a leaser later on a a true leaser that wants to do something with an orchard whether it's 25% of what it is now 20% and the rest becomes you know a just a a great piece of land that the town owns and you know when we're farming 20% of it or whatever we're farming um so so let me P let me push back on that a little bit um so I think that the vote was not necessarily repudiation of sale it was we don't want to give the select board permission to sell it the second thing is that um the MBTA zoning took three tries to pass and we continue to go back to the well to try it over and over because it was going to much because it was well sure but because it was going to save the town money and that ties into the next item which is well two things the I don't believe that the you're going to get any um you're not going to get the work this existing working group to help with an RFP or lease they don't think it's the right solution and they have gone and tried that so many times that they're not interested in doing it again so they under our charge or their charge I don't understand that logic so what I what Matthew is basically saying is we will be looking for a new working yeah that's what I'm saying not that maybe with some members that are exist now or some that don't but I maybe I'm not sure or your working group is the right um is the right mechanism to oversee or a leasing or management process because the mission of the work group was to determine the best use of the farm and we value that obviously and they a lot of smart people came to that conclusion and and then another issue is it's going to be expensive like we can we can work to to work up the cost of of a leasee but I think the argument from the working group which I heard over and over is you know all we're doing is postponing this time when we have to pay because someone's going to come in and lease it we're going to be responsible for maintenance of the buildings we're going to be responsible for equipment Capital Improvements and then the person's going to leave and we're going to have the Orchard and we're going to have to do the same thing all over again so it it doesn't really solve the long-term problem I understand the the desire to keep it yeah but the the honest the the facts on the ground are where we were years ago when we bought this property where Orchards were and where the town was and where the property was is not where we're at now and it just it it's not the same environment and it doesn't make sense the way it did before so I understand that that there's sentiment there's some sentiment to keep it and it's very valuable to people and that it that's the way it was before but it just it's not a I so I agree on the The Orchard side to run that the way it was for certain 100% it's not viable but knowing what you can do with it outside of that we it was a beautifully run Orchard for a period of time so we know that there's it can be done and it was managed properly and everything else it was a failure of man of town management basically the the board at that time over a period of a lot of years to really understand what we were into right I I think when I look back at that a the first first lease that was signed it was horrible it was just a horrible document so it's one of those things that I'm looking at yes the hardest thing to do in this situation is to keep the property and to to lease it right or get it manage and that's the hard thing to do but it doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do I so it doesn't that's that's this is my opinion I know you guys you're you you vary different we have all different opinions somewhat on it but so just uh Ryan you had some figures for how much it was cost for tree removal I think well yeah I mean maybe I just wait to the to the end to at least I just give you a little update on some of the other tasks but um you know right now it's I'm still working on that so I would be remiss to share that publicly so I'm I'm going to push back a little bit on it's the hard thing to do I mean that's not that's not why we're pushing that's not why you know that's not it's not because everyone's stomping their feet and going I don't want to do the hard thing we're looking at this and saying I don't want to do the financially disastrous thing I want to do the right thing by the agricultural preservation restriction that we signed and agreed to so it's a lot more than like you know it's hard it's it's fiscal responsibility sure and it's um understanding what towns are made to do and what they're not made to do this town does not have the resources to run a farm any Farm efficiently I I just this isn't where our in my opinion this is not where our money should be we should not be in the farming business I think it's bad we're in the education business we're in the you know public service business we're not in the farming business we we we are very good land stewards yes so and if this were cons I'm looking at it more as a piece but even the agricultural part we're not talking about 100% agriculture of the land he used every piece of that land to put a tree in to grow an apple he really did yeah CU commercial which yeah probably was a poor decision right I think at the time it wasn't because commercial sure um ards were viable but now you can get an Apple from Peru cheaper than get an Apple from lemonster I know I just see you know I I I think of um you know Mr folz I guess when he stood up what kind of craziness is it that we're just going to we we sit here talk about getting land to preserve land and we just just the thought of conservation is not agriculture it's too now it I mean this is important this an important distinction we can buy conservation land and let it alone and it's great for the town we cannot buy agriculture land and let it alone we did that and look at it it's it's it's actively declining We are failing that property the buildings are falling apart the invasives are moving in like disease is spreading we are actively making it worse by not farming it and not to mention the legal requirements that we have so that's a completely spous argument that we're not doing right somehow because we're we're trying to sell this land selling it in in the opinion of the working group is the best thing for the town and the best thing for that farm I I just I guess I just have a different opinion on that piece of you know reduce it to what we have to reduce it to make it attractive to it's just not an attractive property now and that is going to cost money we know it's going to cost money and that's the that's what we should be putting in front of the town is that what that cost is right and I know Ryan might have some of those details but um I we can talk oursel into anything but I still would like to get it in front of Voters to say here's what it's going to cost us and not being frivolous being getting smart people in a room and saying okay there's how many acres of the property right now there's like 50 acres of 48 Acres so 48 Aces knowing that how many acres has to be farmed like half of it so 25 24 25 and it has to produce $500 gross and 50 cents an acre something ridiculous so it's that's not the issue right M no yeah making money because anyone would write a check for $1,000 meeting the legal requirements might not be the issue yeah correct so it's um I I just for this board we have some tough decisions I know and you guys there's a lot of work that's gone into this already I I just for some reason feel that there's still value and a chance to save a a huge piece of property that has a a wonderful history in town and get more creative with the management piece and the lease piece first until we then we go back to town and say listen we couldn't do it I think one of the key that's I think one of the key words use was reduce and you know narrowing it down to essentially 25 acres have to be egg active egg um and based upon the vote I think our Focus right now should be and I'm don't know if I'm kind of speaking around everybody here but um I think our Focus right now should be what is the cost for us to to maintain 25% of that land as agricultural 50% 25 acres I'm sorry 25 acres thank you um keep me honest um and then what can we do with the rest of that land which so good land stewards in order to make it Buon Arboretum or or whatever the other use could be which is in uh some sort of conservation okay so I I don't disagree with either of your sides right um and I think we could do something with the land and make it's something you know if we removing the trees you know from the land it's a a couple thousand per acre even if it's $10,000 per acre it's a half million dollar it's a one-time expense right that house is a half a million dollar expense easily to get it livable right and that's the gift that's going to keep giving because even if we're leasing it we're going to be responsible for maintaining the structure of the house right and that one's going to be costly for the next 20 years you know while we're doing the lease the land is not we remove all the trees they're gone it's a hay field it's a Hayfield right we don't trees actually does increase the value frankly right now right right and it's a onetime known cost yeah the house is much more expensive to deal with and the barn is somewhere in the middle can we talk about them separately then I mean they are separate we can yeah right now should be talking about them they're completely distinct and and I don't think and just to play I don't think a lease agreement it will work I think you will have to enter a management agreement with someone where maybe we're even paying them to remove the trees and start farming for a couple years and maybe if we sign uh so when we talked to Jenny we could sign a three or fiveyear management agreement without town meeting approval anything longer that up to three years longer than that required town meeting approval right um so we can go to town meeting and ask for um General blanket signing those agreements um we could be paying someone to take out the trees for years and then they pay us you know so it ends up being a net zero basically over the course of the agreement we could do something like that but then the house and the barn are still separate and we have to figure out what to do with them right but that is that that is a plan which would improve the land right more land make it more attractive to least you know if we start with the management piece that that's where I was kind of going with it and the cost is significant and I know that's you know I I always hear and I hear it from the town you know the town administrator's office too in attorneys certain attorneys say we're towns don't make good landlords well you know yeah that's Mark we we I I'll go back to we make great land stewards when we want to and we can make things happen when we want to it's just um and the house you bring up a you bring up a point but I I look at the house as okay let's get the land right the land now is attracted to somebody and you could probably then start looking the lease side and saying you're going to have to put some money into the house or the town will pitch x amount of you know $100,000 a year into making this house a better place for the for a leas or what it this isn't to me it's not a Sprint I guess that's what I was able to settle in I I just kind of looked at it as okay the worst thing that can happen for me is to say okay all the trees are coming out that's horrible to think about cuz we grew up at the orchard but but knowing that potentially someone can move in there and put some more trees in there fruit bearing trees and create a a more Orchard type situation later on once it was an attractive property that's something to me I can live with and I it wasn't easy but I that's where I'm at I and this is I know it talks in the face of a lot of you know I guess I'll call Professional Farmers that they came to a determination um but I I that's just my my opinion on the value to me personally of that property so on on the lease when we were pursuing the lease last year we were told that we when we were doing it we agreed to basically lease for property taxes and we couldn't find and we couldn't get the agreement signed and that was going to cost someone roughly $330,000 a year on the property taxes that place so if we're asking a farmer to put in 30,000 plus all of the stuff for you know being able to remove the trees it's it's capital investment for someone and if we're if we're putting up the capital investment it's it's substantial money for us too right that we'd have to come up with you know it's yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it hit a million dollar capital investment to get this going when you're talking the house and the trees we can we can I think we can come up with a plan a realistic plan for what what different scenarios and what it would cost um but I I do I do think that a lease is probably not going to happen we've tried it three times now in the last four years and we've gotten exactly one applicant who who walked away after spending you know but it's someone that knows they have to come in there and cut all those trees down and work on the house work that's why I if we look at it more of as a marathon to me and we take show a budget of this and I know it's I know it's going to come from this office we have well we have a resourcing problem immediately you know where do you assign this to and who who's does it create a position that manages something like this that's another so here's one more thing I'm sorry just really quick yeah like you know the the the solution I think that it is going to come out of this is the lowest common denominator which is cut all the trees down and turn it into a giant Hayfield temporarily wouldn't well no why temporarily who's going to who's going to who's going to come out of that and make it into something different if we're just entering into AAG agreement that's never we're never going to invest more money we're never going to have extra money to turn it into something better like the best use of that would be a working farm with livestock and fruit trees and crops and all kinds of stuff and a Farm Stand and we are not going to be able to do that as a town with that's only going to happen if it's privatized I guess but it's not going to be able to be privatized until it's improved understood right so that's I I mean that was what IED started with which is like I don't think that the vote was don't sell the orchard the vote was we don't trust the select board to sell the orchard I also think I also don't think we presented that how much it was would cost the town to invest in to bring it up correct would you rather sell the orchard or would you rather we invest x amount of money to bring it up and and we I know we haven't defined what that amount is but it's it's substantial and I think if you ask people you know are you willing to pay more in your taxes to keep the orchard an orchard I'd be surprised if the answer is yes cuz we need to know we don't know it over the next 20 years we're not talking about slamming a ham Sledgehammer over the head in one year it's it I came to that conclusion if we wanted we could we could I think the house the house is a sledgehammer though the house is a house it's unlivable then if you're wanted a farmer to move in the farmer that's a whole different conversation like we right now we don't we don't that's not even on the table right now but it is but it is why because if we want to sell it I mean that we were just talking about if we're going to sell it then XYZ if we're going to sell it the opinion of the working farmers in this community is that it needs we need a house if you were going to sell it yes well that's where I'm not on no and I and I want to come back to something that I really have a major policy issue with here I'm not happy at all with the idea of taking 23 24 Acres of V able um agricultural land out of production right it's you know by Design right now it's it's that way out of neglect and out of whatever you want to call it mismanagement but you know for us to plan to say hey there's 50 acres here and there's farmers and we're in the middle of a farming crisis and the state is has created this program because we're in a farming crisis but we're just you you know we're going to take our time just so that we can hold on to it so that it's our Hayfield and not somebody else's Hayfield I just I don't see the value in it and if this town can't come up with the money to hire a grants administrator this year something that we know it's going to you know triple its investment how how are we even talking about you know paying for somebody to oversee a farm lease I don't I I I just don't understand it we're treating it like we don't own it right now we literally own this piece of property right now and I know that when you talk about the clock ticking with the with the state um the state's probably not in any better position than we are to throw somebody in there and all of a sudden just start farming and they'd have to do all the same stuff we're talking about I'm not talking about what we can get away with I'm talking about for me what's right or wrong and what is good public policy and to me it is not good public policy for us to take good farming land out of out of production so that we can continue to it but you're it's not you're talking on like a level of permanency it's it's literally to get it to a situation or a place where it can be farmed to become a very viable expansive Farm I I'm talking about someday Maybe by somebody we've never met but we've met folks who want to buy it tomorrow and put it into production I don't see a path from like your vision of the Town doing the minimum necessary to get it viable to a fully productive Farm that's like you know enhances the community so can I can I change it what is your vision for the house in this plant we're just going to let it deteriorate because we can't put $10,000 into it a year or little money into it and expect it it's going to get better no I guess what I would be saying is the the Restriction part has nothing to do with the house that's that's I agree that so we have a house that you continue to seal the best you can and yes if we want to put money into that house then we do it but we don't even know what is that house going to become is it going to get hit with a historical restriction um what is the cost you know to pay someone like you know classic construction to go in there and do something I don't think those discussions have really been had and okay well that can't be done this year so we don't that's not even on the table seal this house let let's keep going down this road of making it far getting the land to be farmed by a local farmer um without the trees on it unfortunately um um and then we we can start to develop a plan for what the house has to be I I just do we sell could we sell the house to help pay for holding on to the land we could I mean I mean in your scenario is that something you would entertain you know I well I keep hearing I think I don't know if it was the committee that came up with this that a farmer needs a house to live in at the end of the day so that's kind of but I do know that the the um Brewer that we almost had in there the house was more of a bean than retail yeah we're going to throw a little retail thing in there so it's not necessarily a model um but I I said this just I I could see a scenario to answer your question directly where we would sell off some piece or all of that parcel that's adjacent to the house that corner lot if you will I can see scenario um with us putting certain restrictions on it so you don't end up getting 20 tow houses in there um but I could see the scenar with that that could be sold off to your point where that would give us some resources in order to do whatever it is to take care of the 50 acres was it any in anywhere shaped in the Robinson red hub yes is it yeah yeah in what regard I mean I've been in that Rob told us we need to looks going to be beautiful it's the mold issue from the from the the bottom two floors basically the bottom 2/3 of the house need to be completely gutted back to the studs and rebuilt like all the electrical all of the infrastructure is is ruined floors walls so if someone did buy it they they may in fact demolish it they well I don't know don't know that's why we were talking about we're speculating but so that is one thing the slick board does have the right to demolish the house correct we can we can do that without a time meeting vote and we could have the fire department have some sort of a training exercise if the fire department could actually burn the house with the mold and the asbestos in it but yes so with the the orch group that was that ever even on the table we we had assumed that when we were pursuing a sale that the house would be part of the entire parcel because the barn in the house would be with the farm and that we would negotiate with the owner to find a way to allow them to rehab the house based on reduction in taxes or or some other let because they wouldn't have to pay prevailing wage and they could do it and we assumed that someone who's actively farming that land would need not only housing for them but housing for seasonal labor mark under a management agreement if we're still owning it does whoever is man you know farming that land have to pay prevailing wage still um that's a good question P prevailing well they be if they hire folks to to help them I don't I think that falls under the um the Orchard and lemonster because they have a nonprofit that runs it they're not on prevailing wage okay so we have um Church Meadows is another example of land that we actually lease but really need to be a management agreement that will be coming up um um it's in the same cycle it yeah it's the same type of property it just doesn't have any structures on it um Mark can I just give a general update on some of the other tasks um just I should have started with this but um uh so we were given a list from uh the working group uh things they're looking at so first thing um DPW continues to cut out there I think they get out either weekly or every other week in terms of um just trying to keep things neat um I was out there last week and things look generally okay um in terms of neatness and and around the house um the uh as far as the task list goes it's sort of a you know we split it up into two things one is what DPW can do because there was some of it was securing certain spaces and posting it so DPW is doing that um we're meeting with a contractor um Steve's meeting with the contractor to go through the buildings and go through the um the list in terms of things we're looking to secure um and getting a price off of that um or for that uh so that's going to happen either tomorrow the next day um we have uh separately as far as the trees themselves um I met on site Thursday with the tree contractor uh meeting on Wednesday with another contractor and another one's following up with with me um so the the question on the trees is um and and this these are information you can share with the working group but also um when the vendors were out there it's like you they were trying to figure out what's the ask is they ask to remove all of the trees remove only the dead trees um so yeah that would be helpful at least to um to get that sense um I mean that that really depends on what we end up wanting to do with it if we decide we want to enter into an agreement for with for some farmer to to to create a hay field then we want to clear enough space for them to do the Hayfield I think it was what have cost perre I think that was kind of what the working group um would spoke to is what the cost par would be to clear the trees assuming X number of trees in an acre yeah and then you know and they can also do with the you know uh where um you know it it's um machinery and and and and Manpower as well to give a price on that so it's just a question of scope because one of the things we were talking about was the fact that yes there are a number of dead trees out there um but that the trees um in terms of how disease spread right wrong actually it's not the ground no actually no no no actually it's actually through insects uh that that that the spreads so um so if you had a dead tree and it was just sitting there um you know the insects then will leave um that dead tree and then go to the next host with that's that's living so um so one of at least from that first visit you know what he said was like we could remove all the dead trees but it really only would be for Aesthetics because it's um we weren that wasn't on the table for us we weren't even talking about just the dead trees AR the problem yeah Ian again but he's just you know we were just discussing different options about it so if it if it really is like to get a a price per acre for full removal that's you know that's I think it's a price per acre and it's either you know on grind in place or so that was another thing they he didn't recommend grind in place he the recommendation would have to be full removal because of the disease and it would have to be then taken off site as well so um that was part of the recommendation so we were looking for a price per acre for two reasons one was to clear space for other uses and the second was that even if some of the trees were still like in good shape they're not commercially viable as Orchard trees so at some point we're going to decide well we can keep them for Aesthetics but if someone wants to come in and actually use this as an orchard they would have to replant with different varieties that are more amable to harvesting and are more commercially success so with that then the price would be full removal per acre and getting a price on that okay Ryan as I recall there was also a discussion that you know the C the the environment varies in terms of you know how costly it'll be to remove a tree from here versus down there where it's Rocky and you've got to go downhill and so as I recall we discussed if they needed to break it down by By plot or field that might also make sense and I i' bring that to their attention I think that um part of it is compared to what the surrounding sometimes when some of these tree companies are used to it's actually Rel comparatively easier because they do have some space with the road and that they can get smaller vehicles in there and then some of the Machinery is is rather robust so that you know you'd be talking about a machine that's just ripping the tree up and then you know cutting it up after that um it's um you know these land I mean it's really more land clearing at that point and some of them are you know some bigger pieces of Machinery that we can contract with you know can can really move quick actually but you know there's still a cost to to ter of breaking everything up getting it into a chipper and then taking it off site so uh but we can pursue that and that helps that's that's good guidance so thank you for that the the other thing I could use help with is mapc because I have not gotten a response from them and I don't know if you have a contact there I do I do yeah so if you could um we can do that email them and just CC me we can start talking about that okay thank you okay okay so have we beat this one or well I mean I I don't think we have we I mean we're going to meet the the orchard working group is going to meet I'm pretty confident that I know what the outcome of that meeting is going to be which is that there you know the the sentiment there is you know if you want to sell it we will continue to help try to guide that process to a lesser degree than we have before but if you want to go for a lease then we're you're going to have to you know find it you're going to have to start with someone new because we've done it and it didn't work and and there's there's no sense in doing it again and I'm going to go right back to town of spoken why would you yeah the town of spoken and why would you buy it right now the way it looks the whole if we look this is a marathon we get this property ready yeah we have a different argument and now the least oh my goodness we've got I've got a clean slate that I can put a a farm on in trees and berry bushes and pick take your pick and I I just think that's kind of what drove me to this but that costs money to us and I I fully recognize that I think that's a different different discussion for a lease than a sale right if it if the trees need removed in order for a sale that just lowers what the price you're willing to pay for the sale right and we weren't the town isn't looking to make money off of this right we already got what we wanted out of it it's already agriculturally restricted so we don't have to be making money on the sale and you know and it's their responsibility to satisfy the the requirements of the APR and their responsibility to turn the house into something is livable for them rather than our responsibility which would be true under the other scenarios of a Management lease type agreement I just sit here and you know we're talking about if you're talk you know close to a million dollars probably in tree removal maybe not that much maybe about half a million half million probably half a million in we ra we raised a million dollars for the library and how how long did it take I mean it just a year well it was several years actually that's a question for Sarah if the town is willing to do something like that even you know here's but we we're struggling right now I think with a with a plan and but I I I don't see the Grassroots support for the orchard the way that there was for the library like people come out and say we need to save it we need to save it but I have yet to see volunteers or people you know showing up and saying I'm ready to to donate money yeah it's weird though because I you know talking to the the orchardist in lemonster um you know she says they once they went online they received donations from the entire all across the country people that just like Orchards and they like this type of they value it and start to GoFundMe and see what you get I mean we need someone you know someone needs to be the champion of that right it was I will tell you that the champions for the library invested a lot a lot of hours and time in this right it was a massive effort and no one that stepped up to be that champion and invest that effort for the orchard right um we got some people that would like to talk if that's everybody's I'm not trying to throw a damp in I just so where I'm at Rob BRS 25 J Ro I'm stunned by what I'm hearing um the I just want to point out a couple things the MBTA with which was you know an additional vote you had 16 Pages Plus in here talking about all of the options all the research everything had been done you had identified who was recommending it presentation I think you gave the presentation followed by uh Brian Tarbox who was allowed additional time to talk about the financial implications of the town if the if the vote failed again this one on the orchard fincom didn't even give a perspective on it they're supposed to according to financial policies that I'm attending some meetings on there's not even a reference by finom in here there's no implications with regard to cost the people I talk to I mean I've got the stuff maybe I need to I I've been waiting for this mapc waiting for the process I mean I've got 60 people in my neighborhood alone who are ready to sign a petition to force a vote on this to bring it to you guys and you'll have 35 days I mean it's going to cost 16,500 but the monies I've attended now a couple of working group sessions I've listened I've read the minutes for 3 years this Orchard when the mass consultant came in three years ago said the orchard gone I I I I'm stunned by what I'm hearing get on with that meeting because the public was not informed At All by what was written in here with regard to the state of the orchard they got eight you want to vote to sell it to give it to select board so please please get on with that Education meeting because I think you're going to find an awful lot of people Steven nudy was at the last working group meeting and said we have a $200,000 Reserve you don't even have enough money in the reserve in order to clear the the damaged trees you've got a budding properties that are now being damaged you got to get on with this this is a the town I don't think the town was prepared for this vote I don't think they were educated for this vote and it's a real shame we got to get out of this cycle that we're currently in of having significant Town votes that fail to only have another 6 months before we bring back for another town vote so thank you you know for you not necessarily to the speaker but I I would say um when we're talking about the MBTA communities we were on an absolute St strict timeline with that and I I would like to leave I don't I don't think anyone I'm not going to say anyone most people aren't happy that we got forced into having to zone property down at the train station with what we have coming in at King Street um but I think if we had more time with that we would have made the town would be able to make better decisions even though I know it failed in November and it came back in May the reason why there was so many pages because it failed so it makes sense what you're talking boats or with the orchard but let's that property down at the MBTA station that little sliver of land to the left of the train station we could have just zoned that and have would met the requirement of the MBTA and that place is never considering building for the next 30 years they just put in millions of dollars into the the structure there so there's that was never really truly presented to to the town so I think we we can talk about bringing things back to a vote and everything but even that second go around it wasn't truly explained what absolutely could have been done we and I know we held the shetes and we we had town we had a few meetings but that was never truly the intent maybe of the how this got pushed forward the NBTA but we were also under a completely different timeline um a mandate and you know I'm not going to win the argument about the the money on this is it going to cost the town money yes but I I would rather have that sitting in front of Voters than just the up and sale of the property would you spend money with a viable plan um with fundraising efforts the way we do when we're when we really want something in this town I I would yes and we're short a champion and that's that's unfortunate that we don't have you know that there's in a group there's a benefactor that steep forward or someone that um do that but that's that's all part of the education too though right it is fin difference here is that you know for a library people are are pushing for something and the only really strong voices that we heard were pushing against something I don't want this but they weren't saying I do want that and I'm willing and I'm willing to you know do something about it right in the way that they will about a library I have yet to hear anybody who said who yelled no loudly say let me help you let me I'm going to start a go fund me I'm going to start a foundation you know right a neog Orchard foundation and we're going to figure out a way to get tree sponsorships and we're going to make this happen you know we had a community Farm it didn't have enough volunteers to run and it was what size what the fifth the size of it was about three acres yeah so I mean I just I so I was out two years ago when they did the the town we the orchard working group hired someone to prune the trees and then they had volunteers come out to clear the brush they basically prun the trees dropped it in place six people were there two of them were clanes so um and I mean people aren't coming out and I mean you can find people aren't volunteering for things in general then there so I'm not going to see you guys AR bringing up viable points cuz you are I just this is a part of me that's still stuck on this I'm stuck on it too but it's you're going to invest at least a million dollars to bring this thing up and what are you willing to give up for that million dollars and I'm worried that we're going to go and propose that as an expense to lease it and the town's going to say we don't want to spend that money and then we're like well now what we can't make it attractive to lease and we can't lease it as it is and we can't sell it CU we don't have permission for that so you kind of have to pick one or the other right so I'm done okay Mark 575 ell Road uh just two questions uh basically um if only 25 acres need to be producing under the APR why can you not just clear 25 acres at least just 25 acres we could that's sort of's and on the other part about the house excuse me 35 years as a building contractor um I think has a building inspector ever been involved in the discussions of that house yes okay because so under my previous experience that house would have to be brought up to code AS of today's code so you know the the results of that in my head not only the building code the plumbing code the energy code um extensive amount of work to get that house of to code um that's basically the question I I didn't know I had never heard of anybody about inspectional Services being involved in either the house or the or the barns um I would think it would be an extreme expense for someone to buy that house to try to refurbish it um although unless a nice piece of land was given to him with that and then like what this gentleman said about having some specific uh caveats on the sale for the use yeah absolutely um but so is the is the option of uh just leasing 25 acres clearing just 25 acres leave the rest of it as conservation clearing 25 acres and then leasing that 25 acres cuz I I know a few farmers who would grab that up yeah so it wouldn't be it would still be in agriculture we it wouldn't we wouldn't leave it but yes you're yes you could the minimum we could do would be clear 25 acres and lease that as Hayfield cuz I I know two Christmas tree farmers who would are are dying for for for land for Christmas trees and they're you know that they're six-year Investments whereas fruit fruit trees you know they're they're they're going you know about the same life we just lost a major uh Tree Farm in littleon somebody lives on that on Foster Street so but there there's a very active Tree Farm it's um it's both Dunville and peil um Gren the whole Farm in Corps this town all three towns are Incorporated in that farm and he's dying for more land just to farm just to grow trees whether it to be a cut your own situation or uh he would harvest the trees and sell them one his this spot yeah we could we could do that I mean that that that or hey would be a inexpensive and easy way to bring us back into compliance and then and hay is wonderful believe me I I you know I see the hay farms around here but um Christmas trees have such a um an aesthetic they have such an appeal to to the masses um that that's that's all I have to say thank you thank you we didn't hear from any Christmas tree Farmers did we no just the guy in pots the guy who was we might be tapping you for those names well okay if you got to get up for lease um I would actually be one of the first people to to apply for one if that was just 25 acres forget about all the rest of it I would I would be AC be uh seeking with some partners that it's good to know Mark thank you you got to get approval you got to you know she has a transable point you know if we could if I could look at the 25 acres as getting rid of the trees that they diseased and and gone and Christmas trees can be planted anywhere anywhere help the scel there especially if it's cut your own if they have to be Mass cut um and and and shipped then they it has to be pretty much in line but um we we planted 1,300 trees this past this past spring um 2600 the the spring before so there there's a great demand for the for the space and this past Christmas was actually a problem because there sold too many trees you know so there's an inventory problem for next year's Christmas season how long does it take for a tree to grow um they come 3 years old about this big and takes another between 6 and 8 10 years depending on the you know how tall of a tree do you want you want a Charlie bround tree 2 years if you want a nice 10 12T tree 10 to 12 years over and above the the uh planting it's about a foot years look at it that way you could take down the dead trees and leave a SE sections of orchards that are in good shape friend of mine orchardist and he looked at it and said these trees are not all dead by any means not at all so some could stay and some could be Christmas trees and some could be Mr Sanders George Sanders 672 Great Road what a subject uh Mr chairman I just want to say uh who is really responsible uh for this piece of property the Archer would you like who's that would you like to be are you because I hear over here on my left uh more or less information that is coming in and talking about uh the working committee and I hear on this side over here about the town and where the town stand and what the town uh probably could do and possibilities and I guess that's gut um coming from both sides but somewhere along the line you you you got to come to the conclusion what is it that you want to tell the people in Lon and for the people in Lon to give you the go ahead because you said Steve who did says there's 200,000 000 or they got just $200,000 uh but you didn't commit that that would be all be used for the orchard that's our Reserve F no no I'm not talking about committing one way or the other I'm just talking about the money what's the amount of money you got there 200,000 is nothing for this problem you're talking about here so the thing is if you're saying that the town the People needs to come up and and it's some money based on whatever plan you come up with and say this is the plan that we would like to go with and as Mr Wilson says what's the doll on it so that's the only way that people are going to know how Val is this particular piece of land that we have here people was at the town meeting said no they did not want to give the selectman the ultimate authority to sell it because that was the last that they were going to have any input into whatever would happen to it so that's why they voted it down so now you have the opportunity in my opinion to sort of kind of take what is this working committee because I'm hearing people said you know I don't work my fingers to the Bone and if you're going to go that way I'm not going to work these bones if you're going to go this way then yes I will consider continue to help you to reach that objective if that's the way that we want to go but I think one of the key thing is is when the people don't know what you want to do because when they're sitting at home listening to what you just said here for the last 45 minutes or whatever the case is it's like the left says this the right says this the left says this the right says this what is going on here what where are we going with this it's like you O say said spending your wheels in place and you're not getting anywhere so I think one of the things if I was in charge to do something I will get to this working committee and find out what their commitment is with this Archer and let them tell us what it is that they think would be best and which one of you are willing to work for this or work for that then you know at that time perhaps you can come back to this body and says okay this is what we heard this is what they said they would do now how do we go about to achieve this if it means that we need to ask taxpayers as a one-time thing to add money so that we would have money to put this in natur a house in my opinion I don't know if uh if you can get any U Foundation to uh um trying to think of the name of it there this whole Habitat Humanity to come in and do that house I don't know if you check that out that that may be a possibility there where the town would give X and they would come in and do it and lo you let somebody that's uh in that category to you know buy the or whatever the case may be but I think you do have some Avenue but I think you just need to come together and find out what are the Avenues that you have and tell the people that's who you need to tell is tell the people let us determine do we reach in our pocket and pull out a little money and put it there and say okay go with it I think you so we do need to kind of decide what we're doing what we want to give the charge of the orchard working group and is it to go forward with the property I mean we can separate out the house and the barn from the fields if that's what we choose and tell them to focus on that and we're going to come up with another plan for the house or we can tell them cuz they've been looking at the property holistically right but then someone's got to look at you know we can't ignore the house it's if if they're working on the property someone's got to be looking at that too so I don't know how we make the whole thing move forward and we also have to decide are you know do we want the working group to continue to try to work on a sale or not yeah or and what a sale means then too right or selling the whole piece or parts of it or yeah so we we need to give the working group a a direction or a charge correct because we did they gave us their the recommendation and um based on the last meeting that I was at they were kind of like well yeah we' we've done what you've asked us to do yep unless there's some other charge um we're done so essentially right um which is a lot of hard work time effort energy um a lot of talented people um it'd be tough to let them walk but Gary's ear a point and I've made the point if there's there's definitely a u a feeling about town to bring this back um but to what end I mean I think we have to do a good job of educating and uh letting folks know um this is what it's going to cost to George's point to um your previous points that there's a there's a cost associated with that we need to educate folks like it's going to cost us X in order to keep this under the towns per you know care custody control right um but we I think we not necessarily the working group we five of us need to determine what next steps we need to take whether it's pulling off the house and some piece of property and working with the planning board to put some restrictions on it and see what we can get for it because if we sell that and we do have some funds that are earmarked those have to go to the general fund or would those those be able to be earmarked specifically for the Ora if it's being um town meeting would have to ear Market probably so so another challenge yeah so I mean we could we could basically put the working group on pause I think they wanted to be on pause over the summer anyway and figure out amongst ourselves what we want to do but then we just need to figure out how we're going to do it in a timeline right because we don't have a lot of time if you want to get we can't we need to take action essentially yeah yeah we can't we can decide we're going to sell it or parts of it which we still probably need permission for and we could decide we're going to do something with the rest which we're going to need money for right but we're going to have to come to all of those things for town meeting so there's not a whole lot of time M right I mean Karen you mentioned that there was no Christmas tree Farmers that came forward but I guess once again I I think because we've got a field with thousands of apple trees into varying degrees fitting on this field but if it was a blank slate now you've got I I you're looking at it a little differently okay I can plant Christmas trees I get that but mechanically how do we make that work where do we get 200,000 $20 $250,000 to clearcut the trees this year and also the um if you're going to use it for commercial purposes you have to pay taxes if we lease it to a Christmas tree Farmer they have to pay taxes on on the piece that they that's correct unless cut if it's half if it's half the property let's say it'll be about 15 grandly the house and I'm assuming that's understood by any Farm I mean so anyone a management agreement we have to figure out what the tax I don't think we have to charge taxes we have to charge something I thought it was yeah I thought a management agreement we could we could actually pay somebody under a management agreement yes yeah so we could basically have them the management agreement could basically here's 25 acres your job is to plant 5 Acres of Christmas trees this year and 5 Acres next year in exchange for that we're giving you free reign of that those five acres right right yeah management agre a lot of communities have uh hockey ranks or golf courses and they're not in the business of running a hockey rank dur a golf course so they do a management agreement with um you know they put out the bid and the golf pro bids on the golf course and now they run it and they run a restaurant and all that kind of stuff so I think that's actually what R is do we need to hold have a meeting specifically with this on it just just another s me with this is the one agenda item somewhere in the next you know couple weeks yeah I mean by the end of July I would you'd want to have I think by the end of July we need to know what we're doing so that we can make a couple weeks between down and July a couple meetings in order to formulate a plan so that we can execute something for Tom yeah I mean I know I'm obviously in the minority on the initial thought of the sale because that's but I'm there's I mean there was at least one viable option presented today of what it could be right but it doesn't we' had so many I mean all due respect we've had a lot of people come to us on the side and say I if I could I would and you know that's I take you at your word yeah I take you at your word but and it also have people who have come and inspected the land and said I'll buy it tomorrow and we're not taking them into consideration so I come back I guess the question would be if uh and and I'm unsure about your answer about leaving if I took the 25 acres why would it need to be five acres at a time we could Define no we could so what I'm saying is we could enter a management agreement with you for example and say Here's all 50 acres that have to be in agriculture as part of the management agreement we're expecting that you are going to turn five acres every year or two acres or whatever we decide as part of our agreement into active agriculture right an example that was just an example you could say I'm going to do 20 25 acres in one year you're going to plant all the trees but it was just that would be the ideal situation if you but we could give we could turn the orchard over to you as is right and you're responsible for removing the trees or doing anything we're not paying you to remove the trees you're responsible for removing the trees and your response to us is to turn it into active agriculture okay and that's how we're working out this so why cannot if if if I'm going to be producing 25 acres worth of you know so it needs to be $5,000 year and how how many dollars per acre so these it's small money like that that that's not the that's that I guess that's my point 25 acres I could cover the cost easily all the whole place so why cannot the uh the the remaining um so it's 45 Acres total that's almost 50 48 something the the the the other 25 acres could not be put into conservation they're no they it's going to it has to it will remain agriculture forever but we only have to have half of it in active use well so then so it's just a matter of uh terminology essentially okay so um I guess without physically walking that whole lot which i' I've walked a lot of it um on my own is there a place where you would have in mind that you would mind clear cutting uh 25 acres but we're not we we're not there yet like we yeah I'm sure we could work it out but I don't think any of us really knows off top of our heads where we would want to put trees the orchard has a budget of 0 so anything that we would any money that we would need to put into it we would have to try to figure out where it would come from so for example we would leue the 50 acres and we were going to say you're going to turn it into US within 5 years you're going to have 25 acres in Christmas trees we're not necessarily telling you which five acres right 25 or 25 yeah which Acres you're putting in understood yeah so we don't we don't have a road map right now that's trying to get to so but somebody would have to know somebody would have to map it out and somebody would have to be keeping track of it pretty much they're they're done if they're not going to S oh I I mean I I don't want to speak for the group I think that they're they're attitude their their statement is we were asked for an a recommendation we made the recommendation we did the research we came up with a recommendation the select board followed it now that recommendation has has basically been failed at town meeting so will you be then soliciting for new members I don't know I mean we have to wait to see what if if the working group members resigned we have to decide whether we want to continue the working group and solicit new members or not so and it were just keep it amongst your yeah yeah I mean the mission of the working group was to make a recommendation so it work is sort of done in fact it work is done all right well thank you thank you okay so we beat this one or um I I mean I'm not sure we know what we're going to I guess we're going to talk at the working group meeting on Wednesday and and I'm going to present this this discussion and say that we are at least in the short term going to pause the working group and so that the select board can decide what we want to pursue because it sounds like that's what we decided I think it would be helpful if you would ask them if you know in the event the select board decides to pursue a management agreement will you be staying will you stay on the or working group I can do that if we intend to you know sell if we intend to lease yeah what would your answer be yeah that would that give us some good information yep okay um we talked about meeting again are we going to meet again outside of our normal schedule yeah next meeting in July is on the 15th so the 15th and the 29th right now or would be our next potentially yeah potentially 29th 29th was as needed have to bring a cake on the 29th we could do the 22nd um we could do yeah I mean one of the alternate weeks or we can do a different day in a one of the weeks we already have a meeting I I know I know that gets crazy people vacations and stuff but when is the working group meeting this Wednesday in two days so you're talking theth the so do we want to meet on the 1 what I mean do we need research do any of us need to do some research a little more research what we're trying to I mean I our thoughts together in a week I mean I think having some of the costs that from Ryan would be helpful but it seems like feels like we're at a philosophical impass not necessarily a factual one right no I think I think the numbers do matter no the numbers do matter right but I think that's kind of the only data that I think needs to be I mean if if someone wants to go out and talk to scholen farm or find some other model that we might follow and see if there's a way that we can quantify how we can do that that might be helpful you know or you know find out how how other towns have done it because the the research that I've done has led me to the understanding that it costs a lot of money it does yeah Shen Farms cut they did this they yeah they cut down 70% of the r cut down to 20 acres um just to get to a manageable thing and now they've started to bounce back and create other blueberries and other what are we doing with the well how do we get cost numbers for the house and maintaining the barn um I think we have to go to a to a contractor and get get an estimate I'm not sure where they yet because again we have a budget of zero dollar zero zero yeah yeah but but I don't think I don't think you can make a determination on the land without I mean we can't leave the house out of the con conversation that's my concern right cuz it's a problem too right yes we have to act actively Farm the orchard but we have to actually do something with the house too right it's just it's costing us money and it's deteriorating would we be able to solicit um fair market value analysises analyses from Realtors current condition broker's price opinion you mean yeah just opinion of value put up number 2.4 milon you have to come you have to come micophone [Music] Jim what were you saying I'm sorry no I'm just are you something as simple as a broker's price opinion right that that's not something that would fall under 40 uh 30b right something that we could we could solicit that because could do that's pretty short money I mean that's under $10,000 to do something like that but you're talking about just to get a sense you know you could talk to real estate agents on the market you know so that is yeah correct right or and then for include three acres include the whole parcel that's on the corner just to got to get try to get a feel we we can anyone of us can figure out what it cost per acre in Littleton today then then you get the other extreme to I mean to actually to determine you wouldn't I wouldn't suggest get a contractor and they to give you the price you get an architect that has to that would go through the three buildings and actually do that because there is question I've heard sometimes that it is historic I've heard sometimes it's non historic so it's really there is no restriction on it there's no restriction on it it's not historically protected at this time okay it might be worth getting a real realator through and say if we sell the house on a one acre lot how much the more data we have I think is going to help us move forward okay okay do you want me to take that as an action item I'll do you got it um Mora keer 75 edel Road didn't didn't the orchard working group come up with a number that it would take to restore everything the trees the house the barn wasn't it $2.4 million where did I see that that was a like that was a back of the envelope ballpark estimate like there weren't any there weren't any hard figures that there was wasn't there a whole analysis by a realtor at the time about all the different costs and stuff they there was a whole assessor formal document on the online and they came up with the enti thing was 2.4 million yeah we had an appraisal of the value as at it exists but we we have not ever had any anyone come to do an estimate of of rehabing the house I see so that's what you're talking about now yeah okay got it thanks okay so do we want to meet on like the first the eth maybe the eighth would be better because um that will give us a little more time sure okay works for me we can set the eight and then depending and then reach out to the board and determine whether or not we're ready to meet at that time okay that's right okay oh it's going to be moved we okay we were going to talk about moving the retreat too so moving the retreat right oh we need to move the retreat right please yeah oh okay okay next I think it's uh compter fro if we quantifying costs I would love to hear you guys estimate how much you you you're spending on just these few task items that we've given you for tonight and if you have any estimates on what you've spent in in the past in terms of ours I would appreciate that as well we need to understand what sort of Manpower we're looking at even if it's strictly administrative okay and we know we spent again 20 grand a year mowing it not not not lawyers you know3 hours but an estimate would be helpful okay okay vote to execute a notice of taking for the Webster property so this is just a procedural thing housekeeping yeah ready yep move to acquire the Webster property pursuant to the vote on article 8 of the May 7th 2024 annual town meeting in the following manner to approve and execute the order of taking before the board for the Webster property said property is shown on Assessor's map r09 parcel 5 and to instruct Jim Dugen to return the order of taking to Town Council for recording as part of the acquisition of the Webster property and further to instruct Jim Dugen to issue a notice of taking to Lyle D Webster and Gretchen o Webster immediately mediately after the order of taking is recorded second mooved by Matthew second by King all those in favor I Town Hall hours for uh Friday July 5th I don't think we should have them I'm no I'm serious we shouldn't have them yeah no no hours on the fifth talking about yeah I think we talked um about CL closing town hall for the fifth um sir so okay I think that I think that we have to we'll figure out internally about what we're going to declare it um because there is the issue that U for part-time people wouldn't get paid if if it's labeled a c a certain way but but we'll have that um I'll Circle back with that with that information move that the select board vote to close Town Hall Friday July 5th 2024 second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor I I thank you um you wanted to talk about the retreat moving please I mean yeah if we could if we could um move it I mean if if it's if it's amendable if we can if you want to do it uh if we can do it during during the week at some point Point Monday through Thursday uh during the summertime that would be uh 20th 21st the I mean no wait a minute I'm the wrong one well there's nothing happening on the fifth now I said Monday through Thursday uh can we look can we look to the um that third week in July the second week obviously we're doing this meeting again on the 8th but then um we have a meeting on the 15th our regular meeting yes we push it as the 19th work for people does uh wait no not not Friday is that correct correct ever ever oh okay the 18th work for people um uh the week before or after would be better for me but I could make I could make the 18th work if we had to yeah I'd rather push it out then because so the 26 per or the 25th I'm at that mm no if the 18th is the 18th is okay I mean I can I can I'll just have to move something but if that works for other people you prefer a different day that week or um I mean any like Tuesday or Wednesday would be better the 16th or 17th but again like it's not does the 16th work for people we're doing this like in the afternoon again or early evening correct yes please I was looking at evening sure it would it has be three for me if we did a 16th 17th I might open but I'm what I'm open on the 17th 17th is works for me after like starting at 1:30 so we starting at 1 or two two two on the 17th does that work for you truck two two two on the 17th okay two to five or we going yeah two the open open question let say two to five two to question let's say that thank bigiggles so those Retreats being moved to July 17th at 2 o' thank you great V obviously we don't have a location never mind uh minutes from June 10th no Corrections for me nope okay move that the select board vote to approve the minutes from the select board meeting on June 10th 2024 second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor I I move move to adjourn second move by Matthew second by Karen all those in favor thank you good night little