e e e e e e [Music] okay we're on the air all right I hereby call the Zoning Board of adjust regular meeting of May 21st 2024 to order at 7:33 uh call the order and statement of compliance adequate notice of this meeting SL hearing has been provided by posting a copy of the public meeting hearing dates on the municipal bolon board and website by sending a copy to the echo Sentinel and Courier News newspapers and by filing a copy with the municipal clerk standing standard board procedures any hearing conducted by the board is a quasi judicial proceeding any questions or comments must be limited to issues that are relevant to what the board May legally consider in reaching a decision and decorum appropriate to a Judicial hearing must be maintained at all times meeting cut off announcement is made that as a matter of procedure it is the intention of the Zoning Board of adjustment not to continue any matter past 10:30 p.m. at any regular or special meeting SL hearing of the board unless a motion is passed by the members then present to extend the meeting SL hearing to a later specified cut off time electronic devices all in attendants are asked to mute cell phones which everyone should do um so that they don't interrupt the proceedings Pledge of Allegiance Tom would you us to flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under go indivisible liy and justice for all we going to sing the national anthem too call make uh Mr arono may be excused I yeah he said he wasn't gonna make oh okay he did okay so and Miss Brenan Miss Brennan excuse me is excused this evening Mr gakis here Mr Flatley here Mr Rosenberg is excused this evening Mr Watts here M Collins here Vice chairman grov here chairman G here chairman we have a quum thank you thank you now we have meeting minutes to go over meeting minutes of April 16th and May 7th let's do the April 16th one and has everybody had a chance to look them over uh are there any uh amendments or changes or corrections to the minutes whether they be grammatical or structural or or substantive uh uh no okay I do I hear a motion to accept the April 16th 2024 minutes as is presented so move there a second second somebody I wasn't here for that meeting somebody second I wasn't here oh my God I'll second it I didn't realize the rest of you guys weren't here oh mered if you were here I was here okay you should have seconded what you okay good all right uh all in favor I I I eligible yeah all those eligible all okay good uh now we got the May 7th meetings minutes and the only people that weren't here were Gary Meredith and Steve but Steve can't vote anyway uh did anybody did everybody had a chance to look at them any corrections to them substantive or uh otherwise hearing none do I hear a motion to accept the May 7th 2024 minutes as presented motion to accept second second okay all in favor of the people I okay good did that now we have applications currently uh before us we have the bulk variant block 14206 lot one Zone r-2 address is 151 Forest Drive application number 24-7 Z Steve and Kathleen G en y k j genck gen genck okay thank you all G gck applicant proposes to replace a deck in the rear of a single family residence all right um the applian is here I assume okay uh do you have any other Witnesses beside yourselves okay that's fine could you sweare them in absolutely s everybody in right um before I do that Mr chairman I'll just point out for the record I reviewed their notice it's good the content was good it was timely served sent to uh owner was published in the Echo Sentinel on May 2nd 2024 which is more than 10 days in advance and also the submitted a certification noting that they did send it by certified mail uh more than 10 days in advance of tonight's hearing out know the specific date but I have the certification from them so in my legal opinion the board is jurisdiction over this case and with that I will swear everybody in if you could all please raise your right hands do all of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth so hope you God I do all right thank you appreciate all right right uh thank you would you introduce yourselves I'm I see thank you um proceed okay thank you I want to thankk everybody for your time for having us this evening we are relatively new residents in the community sir G stop you real quick could you just try to speak into the mic pleas yeah you got to pull that unfortunately we have a mic shortage we have a shortage of mic so you have to speak right into it sorry people watching at home too so yeah appreciate thank televised my wife my wife and who else yeah right I can name tell all your friends and family to watch okay good so again Kat and Steve G relatively new residents to the community we're thrilled to be here it's a wonderful place to live um and we live at1 Forest Drive in Sterling um we have a project that we would like to talk about tonight my wife who's much more qualified than me is going to go over the actual project and we'll both try to answer questions okay to the extent that you have any and again thank you for your time all right thank you go ahead so talk into the mic okay that's okay you a look at us just talk to M um so this is a deck project uh we inherited a couple things and one was an old deck and an old hot tub okay and we had the hot tub removed it's an old redwood deck oh you're not putting it back okay yes we're looking for old rotten materials to there um so there's some Decay on the deck certainly underneath where the hot tub was and the previous owner also did very steep steps and by steep I mean 8 in tall 11 inches wide and um we have toddler grandchildren and uh and actually my husband wasn't able to walk at all last year but oh we're here today so um it was really a problem last year it was significant about how hard it was to get up and down those stairs and they go steep um so what the deck does is stretch out the stairs um so that you also when you come out of the sliding glass doors you have a teeny space before you hit the Steep stairs so it stretches out it starts the the stairs a little bit later um and it turns them so it's not directly straight down so if anybody was to fall they fall after four steps instead of 10 um and the steps now will be uh seven and a half high and 14 wide which is much easier to get up and down and maybe allow us to retire here um so uh to do that we have to yes please so to do that we have to kind of square off the deck it has to come out a little bit so um I think we have a drawing where kind of the red marks which is squaring it out okay pulling so that's that's in addition to what's there already right right so the red squares it out and it creates a um just a larger Landing Pad where am I um yeah we've got so we're not literally leaving the house as a two and a halfy old as a wear so it widens the deck in the narrow spot there it does it takes it out so the stairs can start and have room to stretch okay now the stairs itself are over an already per like an already it's a patio okay so it's already there we're stretching the Step St but these red spots are over dirt okay and we only lose one one pine tree so we've actually been able to preserve the Landscaping to so that's the project it's really more a safety thing and we're replacing it with modern materials okay you're replacing with non non it's AAC and more kind of plastic that seems to be the thing just creat on the safety steps okay did you say you removed the deck already the existing one still there we haven't done anything we're here first okay so nothing's been done it looks exactly like REM well yeah okay that's what that's what you meant okay the but the uh deck looks like the photographs that you gave us right yes and I actually because I think there was a question about the pad I took a video if anybody wants to see it yesterday just just getting perspective of the narrowness of stuff yeah um here I don't know if somebody wants to see that we can yeah um so um the um you're replacing the the railing the the fascia board everything everything how about the the footings too or well because the steps are going to be stretched out we do have construction CH but I'm happy to submit them okay there's going to be ex two extra footings okay for the because of the steps but no EX footings for the extensions of the will you will you extend the deck further out you need more footings for those no um I have the construction drawing so I can always I don't really know how to read them okay but I know it says what we need you didn't submit them already or no I didn't we need to submit the construction once I figured we' do that for per okay just so you know if you want to present that to the board we have to keep it it would be an exhibit okay you can keep it okay good okay could you mark that uh A1 I can mark it give give it to Deborah show'll mark it and then just start and pass it down we'll look at it so I can't answer the question but I know that piece of paper can okay all right so just to before we keep going that's exhibit A1 construction drawings do you have a date on there Deb yes 33024 awesome thank you I have okay I think it's a better perspective I think sometimes to see the whole property coverage right coverage resal two sheds too S A LW coverage where is that that was in Liz's oh this is my I put this this is like was in Liz I didn't see this this is my oh that's yours I put that may be a little cheat sheet yeah oh yeah makes it a lot easier are these those steep steps we're talking about yeah it says in our uh did a our planners report that you have you want a permit to remain a residential shed of 200 S ft where a maximum of 100 ft is permitted this is an existing condition and to permit a residential shed set 2.8 ft from the rear lot line where a minimum of 10 ft is required is it one shed yes one shed yeah okay and and we inherited that no I understand that I'm just you have one shed it's bigger than than what is is supposed to be there plus it's it's only 2.8 ft from the rear lot as opposed to 10 okay what's behind that shed what's around the shed it's it's actually my neighbor's shed the two of our sheds oh oh okay so one shed looks we shed to shed they're probably closer too yes obviously we have amicable shits yeah so we won't tell them you about it am out your shed's bigger though is it oh if it isn't shed a lot okay we'll do that and your intention is to to keep the shed correct yes okay well we just store the pool I mean is it is it in decent good condition yeah okay it's not like it's rotting or falling down okay I do have a question um you said that directly north of you is your um or directly behind you is your neighbor and it actually says here under the site description I'm just curious it says the property is owned by the US Department of Fish and Wildlife service and is part of the Great Swamp so we have three neighbors okay they're Federal government's one of them right and then a neighbor on Carlton Road okay who we've never met because I think they have like 11 acres right and um and we're at the end of their L makers okay um and then uh if you're looking at our house so we have Carlton Road neighbor we have federal government and then we have neighbors to the left of us okay and that's what the shed is to the left yes and we're shed to shed over there okay so it was in the rear it's on more of the side yeah it's on the side okay that I think that's what uh confused her um speaking of your neighbors I I noticed our our board planner Liz that's her over there um in her memorandum she noted that uh there's a fence on your property that also encroaches onto the adjacent north and west Lots or does it I think that's my question T well that's what it looks like on the survey we never did a survey so we inherited that too so I think I think does in two spots yeah yeah one of them is the US government I'm just highlighting it because it's on the survey I think we should just note it I don't necessar what was that again there the if you look at the site survey you'll see there's a fence that is on their property but encroaches on to the federal government property that's the Great Swamp and also to their property to their rear which is to the West oh I see the and so I'm not suggesting that they have to move it but it I'm just raising it as a concern or you know an issue with the board wanted to take a look that's the property to the right of you is the federal government so if you're looking at the property to the right to the right the federal and this is the fence that you're talking about looks like that's the fence is also on the easement on the what on the easement is a 20 foot wide easement yeah that's a drainage easement a 20 foot wide drainage e fenes could be on drainage on easements that's why okay yeah and then in the back it goes a little bit to the back neighbor too and that's guy got the 11 acres he has the 11 acres this is and that fence what kind of fence is that it's like a metal it goes around the pool so I would say it's about this high oh it's a four fo fence yeah okay okay I wonder if in any of the pictures there may be a I guess you just photograph no I don't see it it's just just the yeah that's actually it's covered in all of the Great Swamp growth oh so you can't really it looks can't even tell off likees right oh look like so it's it's actually um it's it's a backdrop for your it's a Vine glower whatever exactly all right so sorry I want you to ask a question oh okay so and perhaps you've already said that but to the to the west of the pool it on your site survey it says concrete there's a concrete pad right it's a seating area okay it's a seating area with couches got it the fireplace that I'll never light because there's pine trees behind it just see okay was there when we but it's a seating area it's fine I I just wasn't sure what it was used for y okay it has walls and lighting got it I see okay yeah it looks like okay uh any uh engineering questions not okay any more uh planning ISS no I mean it's there are Varian are two existing conditions which is the the size of the shed and its location to the um property line to the west and um they're increasing the impervious coverage by 2% so we can keep yeah extion okay well what what is the permitted um uh coverage it is um 20% and they're at they're they're currently 21.5 three and they are going to be going up to 21.67% qualify for that 50% openness reduction or is it just not even I don't know um but I I let's not complicated okay forget and scratch that is yeah it's it's a very modest you mentioned that below the deck is patio space is the majority of the deck over patio or is the majority of the deck over over the the majority of the increase of the deck or the deck the whole Deck The Joe I hate to tell this but speak into the cuz the majority of the deck is over dirt over dirt I think I mean I never looked underneath it but I'm pretty sure that would have been a good there's lattice but I think it's got to be over dirt doesn't look like there's a patio there but who knows i' say I mean you have those you have that you have that door that goes into the basement the walk-in basement and then and the deck is going to be extended over that a little bit more a little bit it's actually just going to go it's going to go up just plants on okay and that's over coverage there's a there's a pathway like a dirt not a dirt a paper and then steps that go down and then so that's for the most part heart surface I see and that's over here where where you have that little red mark this is the stairs had you known and had you calculated we might not have been we tried to count every little bit of increase okay and who's doing the deck work um well we're still bidding it out but right now um probably Ziller construction oh okay who's done our interior and he he's seen these plans and okay in other words everyone who everyone who looked at these says they're doable and you know not they're not going to be changed for some reason it's actually an architect he's worked with too okay all right no the only reason I ask is because you know when you don't have the Builder here sometimes you know you go down and look at this well I can't do that or I have to do that different I just want to make sure that what's here is what's going to be built Yeah we actually have the construction drawings because he asked for them in advance because normally that comes later he wanted to be able to look at them so he has a copy yeah all right uh any more questions by the board no the imper coverage do we need to update the allowance on that no I don't my advice would be don't even worry about this Joe and Joe just said it too Joe said yeah but we're at 1.5 plus a little more do we just want to just blanket them so that is never a problem Oh you mean well the thing is we don't know what the existing calculation is it could be that the existing calculation should have been deducted as well so that then you may ask yourself why are we even here oh except sh so um you know but yeah so I would just leave leave it leave it the way it is okay calculate in full for the deck existing okay so if we give you what you are asking for it'll be a 21.67% lock coverage and the variances for these position of the shed and the size of the shed basically oh okay yeah that's what I'm just going summing up okay that's great um all right any more questions by the board okay um all right let me uh uh Randall you want to uh start the deliberation I don't think there's much to deliberate on my end good luck process you know well we got to do it formal here yeah no I will voting yes um you know sounds like you may not have even needed to be here but about things the right way which we really appreciate um the plans were you know easy to follow and everything and uh welcome to the neighborhood oh we're so excited to be here Gary um yeah thanks for going through the process and I'm glad that you're going to make the steps safer your micop I'm glad that you're going to make the steps have to hold it down I don't hear myself anything okay glad that you're going to make the St steps safer for we want to you know go up and down Meredith well I was just going to say too you know good luck with your project uh it doesn't appear like um you know obviously I think the benefits greatly outweigh any detriments you know there's doesn't seem to be um it's to Minimus you know the um the max lot coverage you're going from one number to another number which is minuscule um I also made a point to of um take into consideration the fact that you were going to make the steps a lot safer and build back something that's more aesthetically pleasing but something that's also safer and um I'm inclined to vote Yes on this Tom I agree with all my colleagues particularly the fact that you bother come in here with such a small project and secondly the uh Improvement to the steps is going to be good for so many people thank you Mr Vice sterman thank you sir uh I caner the the fact that your property is just nestled into the woods and nobody would have seen this and you r yourself out and went through this process thank you you're welcome we respect this process and that's one of the reasons why it's so beautiful to with you well yes your we thank you for that uh it's far too often too easy to go ahead and do something and not ask permission we get a lot of people asking forgiveness but thank you and uh I I do believe this will make your deck more useful it'll make it safer as far as Ingress and egress on the stairs uh and the shed I know it's it's not easy to move shed so it's not really bothering anybody there so it's probably fine and you know like you said it's shed to shed so um and uh you know if you ever buy a new shed then that's a time to you know move it the back 10 feet basically we probably will never bu no I'm just saying but um all right yeah I also would be in favor of because I think you've met all the criteria you've testified and asked all answer all our questions you've answered the uh concerns of our uh planner in her report and thank you for the drawings and the photographs and I would also uh uh vote Yes Mr chairman I do believe we need to confirm there are no members of the public here oh yes I'm sorry I am very sorry no worries any members of the public that have an interest in this application that would like to speak ask questions make comments or anything okay hearing none I close it to the public just wanted to say on thank you you know something I was thinking that and I completely forgot because I know we have three other applicants other applicat and I figured they all belong to them exactly but you don't know so thank you for reminding me now we can have a now now it's formal now now it's legit yeah okay you didn't you didn't piss off any your neighbors good um okay uh can I hear a uh you want a quick summary yes okay all right Mr chairman applicant here are seeking three bulk variances one for lot coverage 20% is the maximum permitted they're proposing 21.67% second is for the existing residential shed size 100 square feet is the maximum permitted they're proposing uh well proposing proposing an existing condition of 200 ft and finally uh residential an existing residential shed rear yard setback 10 ft is the required minimum uh proposing an existed is 2.8 ft and I don't believe there were any conditions to speak of other than the normal boiler plate stuff so that's about very good roll call please or do I hear a motion do I hear a motion to approve this application motion to approve second there's okay we call please thank you Mr G yes Vice chairman grof yes Mr Flatley yes Mr Watts yes Miss Collins yes chairman G yes motion carries thank you thank you painless thank you thank you for coming prepared and thank you yeah sometimes what I do we'll be in touch appreciate you coming and enjoy your pool and your new deck thank you enjoy your toddler grandchildren yeah yes well done all right the next one we have up is Block 14 Lot 25 Zone R3 known as 837 Miles Road application number 24- 02z uh the owner is SF Holdings LLC applicant proposes to construct a new single family resident pool pool house and Sport Court I don't know what that is Sport Court but whatever we'll find out uh and is the applicant here yes okay you can have a seat at the table if you wish Mr chairman I'll just point out for the record while uh believe applicants Council was approaching um I reviewed their notice I found both the content and timeliness of service of such notice to be sufficient to give the board jurisdiction over this case it was sent to owners of property within 200 ft of the subject property on May 10th and published in the the echo Sentinel on May 9th both more than 10 days in advance of tonight's hearing and thus as I stated the board has jurisdiction over this case thank you oh now I'm going to ask ahead of time just so I don't forget you guys is there any members of the public that came to speak about this application okay I'll ask again but this way gives me a head up that thank okay thank you okay um all right I have a seat set up and you can give us a little summary uh I you have to sit down and talk to the mike un we have a shortage of microphones usually I'm used to standing up that's okay uh I can I can adapt Mr chairman ladies and gentlemen of the board my name is John barar and I will be presenting the application tonight on behalf of the SF Holdings I have uh potentially three Witnesses I have uh the owner who is also the Builder I have Eric Wilson PE our engineer I have our architect Amon sadra and uh that those are the expert Witnesses I have I will be starting with Eric I assume he can go to that microphone yes and he and we have uh I guess he came up with his own uh we have a a b uh well you have your own that's fine uh would you just give us a summary of what the project is uh this this property is extremely wooded I I'm sure you will been buy it uh it also had it also is uh rather hilly as is typical of the township uh when you have when you look at the aerial uh Viewpoint of this particular property you look at the Google and the growing the red that we have in part of the plants you'll see that it's really uh densely uh populated with trees our our purpose here uh is to keep that a type of ruralness probably unless you stop on the road you probably never even saw the house how big it when you stop then you can look in because it's pretty old so one of the things you'll see with what we're intending to keep as much natural struy as possible you'll also see that uh despite that the fact that we have to build in areas this just just place to put it we have put it we have located uh the amen in the areas that show on the plan of weight which are non-critical areas you see that the majority of the amenities are there also will see and I know you all this many and have excellent engineer planner here you also see that the house itself is also being rebuilt the old house is being torn down and it's being rebuilt in another area that's primarily critical area if you look at it you see the white you'll see superimpose the house and under that you'll see the areas of that that pink kind of pink color uh we havean is the owner is a premier Builder he uh this project here will be in keeping with what the new developments are in the community uh to answer your your question what is a sport sport uh well it could be a pickle ball it could be half a basketball it's it's to have the ability to meet because this is pro more than likely going to be a a family with younger people and this is the meet those kinds of needs and to keep the rest of the lot in its natural state okay so by having this particular aspect number one you have to be build towards the community uh this community uh the new hous is on any kind of lot that's relatively big they all have pools lot of them tennis courts now they're being replaced by pickle ball courts because we get all that old buggers are can't play tennis but you know even somebody as old as I I can play pickle ball or not that I can play it I can attempt to play it but these are the kinds of amenities and we have taken this project uh much of my client you're has been in a planning stage for over year okay and my client and his professionals have really developed this so as to minimize the uh effect of the topography to utilize the uh mainly the UN un uh critical areas and to build a product that uh the community itself could be proud of we have uh those variants obvious building in critical areas which indicated on our plan but we also have because of the height uh and the topography we also have a height variance now Amon will come up here and he'll describe the the house go through it and you have the plans and it's a Colonial House and what you normally have is the is lot of the roof is a very uh dramatic aspect house when you have a colonial aspect like this and there's two main aspects that am will testify to is the Aesthetics and the fact that you know other than maybe this year and maybe the year before you actually get snow most people may have forgotten that we get snow in County and North Jersey but you do get so one of the reasons of the pitch and am on can tell you that is that the pitch is going to be able to sh so that's basically what we're looking at uh there there's a couple of comments your engineers in terms of site in terms of landscaping and again as I my experts will back up my statements we're going to try to keep as much of the natural conditions as possible however this will have a substantial amount of landscaping once the house is built we trying to keep all of the den Woods in the nature of that you're trying to keep the nature of nature yeah because quite frankly people like the idea when they finally get off to 78 and they have the enjoyment of being of that and coming here they like to have the trees because you could tell that this being the first day out a good old M instead of having that where my mu looks at 32° morning we had 89° right before I came M and you can tell from from the highway it went down 5 so the reason it does that is because you maintain your natural and that helps how does this house um well maybe your experts will say how does this house uh sit with the rest of the neighborhood as far as well there's not really that's really not a neighborhood it's a really uh it's really like isolated situation because when you look at this you look at the development the neighborhood is really uh behind it on Spring Street right spring this being out Myersville is really I mean A lot's that big that really is not like you don't have somebody that there's no way you're going to touch the neighbor or or compare houses or and it's Mr chairman it's very difficult when you look at that because if you look the the uh distance of those LS are are much bigger than the uh Spring Book plots yeah and it I I couldn't say that it's really a neighborhood but is this house and keeping I do uh tons of real estate and I do land I a board of chairman I'm the board attorney in Butler Riverdale and Englishtown and I do this all over all over the state [Applause] and okay you see any of the houses of lots of the SES make above this is the kind of house you're see okay and that's what that's what the neighborhood that's what this Township is basically pulling out okay and uh and and this house is going to be a very big addition with that with your permission Mr chairman I'd like to call Eric Wilson a professional engineer from Hower engineering Hower engineering was the engineering fir prepare the plans that you have uh that is entitled layout breeding and soil erosion and S control plan and yeah right yes didn't swear Mr bra couple housekeeping things why don't we do a I call it a mass swearing we got all your Witnesses our board professionals so we don't have to derail in the middle of the proceedings why you come up to because any's going to be testified has a question about the company or yeah the beautiful houses you build let me see got to see your hands come on use your right hands okay I can see it over the top okay do all of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God you do all right great thank you very much and Mr barbar real quick before you get started the plans what the board is looking at right now those were revised uh January 18th 2024 yes okay just making sure it's the same thing no no changes on those no okay okay does your like test your mic does it work oh looks like it might be dead hold on that's the first thing we do around here check the mics you have to open it up it's dead don't worry about it all right while they're figuring that out another question are there any exhibits you plan on presenting tonight things that haven't been submitted already the AR has okay we can just deal with it we'll mark it when he comes up okay yeah I just like to get it all done at the front end so we don't have to you know rail all right exactly we always have color renderings we have to mark right like testing yes good now it works all right okay so what is what is he's your he's my engineer engineer okay is your license current yes sir okay and what are the boards have you testified before uh most recently uh Wayne Franklin Lakes um Bon County B County up in Sussex County the towns of Sparta and Byam as well as Maplewood and Su okay you're qualified thank you um Mr let's first start with the the overall uh make sure the mic is close to you you can hold it if you want oh wait hold on can I pick it up more no I don't think so not that one though just how's this yeah good all right great um to go through and just describe to the board the project itself sure um so as you're aware uh the property we're talking about tonight is located at 837 Myersville Road here in the township of long hill it's identified on the tax maps as block 14,1 and Lot 25 um it's a 78,000 147 foot lot which is conforming in your R3 Zone um how many acres is that uh a hair less than two okay two would be uh 80 something thousand [Music] um it's currently developed with a single family home that's in a pretty dilapidated condition the lot's pretty overgrown had the opportunity to go by just before the meeting just to you know double check the condition hasn't changed since the time you know we hasn't fall down no it's still there it's still there uh standing strong built in 1900 they don't build them like that anymore right um if it wasn't it would have been knocked it would have been down already yeah yeah um so the property uh has a lot of critical areas on it um your ordinance defines uh slopes in excess of 15% as critical areas uh from an engineering perspective 15% really is not that steep of a slope we very regularly will grade uh and you'll see it in areas here on our plan where we'll grade up to 1 foot in drop for every 3et in run which is 33% and for any soil type in any condition is stable and there are engineering conditions you can go steeper than that but that's typically the the maximum grade we would design for for ability to maintain it to mow it take care of it and to avoid any soil erosion so a 15% slope is less than half as steep as engineering conditions consider stable and safe I just want to mention that because because although most of the site is covered by these steeper slopes except for in this area up here to the South most of it's closer to that 15% 20% number um the property oh again could be I I can speak loud no it's for the record it's for the record those could have been old batteries you sit there okay she no it's it's actually for the record so we do need both yeah that's okay she'll put new batteries in sorry our we have a got to make sure we get aord yeah un fortunately our our microphone state is poor we we should tell the applic Amazon we should we should tell the applicants to bring batteries that would probably be the best thing batter in submission requirements TC us no you can stand there it's all right we'll get the battery to work should be brand new so go ahead that's fine all right we're back in business yes hold on good for now yeah oh Deb could could you do Deborah could you do me a favor those blinds could you shut them because the they the headlights from the cars are shining right through them they usually shut I don't know who opened them close them okay where was I um talking about the left back left yes thank you so our our general topography on the site comes from an elevation of 351 here at the southernmost corner uh the this is South this is North down to an elevation of 2 95 down here so you're looking you're looking at about a 55 ft drop across this property line um again it's a large property so it's not excessively steep but um all these red areas you see meet the definition of critical steep slopes per your ordinance um and if you're curious the reason they're all triangles because when we survey it each of the corners represents a point where we surveyed and the software actually uh triangulates all those and and gives you a perfect number so we know it's correct um we're not disturbing that back left corner no so you can see there's a dash line here that kind of wraps around this whole proposed area it's our limited disturbance and we really did our best in design to minimize how much of the site we disturb um and the reason you see here and you think why are we going so much further but because we're flattening out areas for our court and our pool um we're increasing the slope in the back here so down the road these would also then become we're in a sense we're expanding some of the critical area on site which would then be further protected by your ordinance in the future um so the house that is being torn down has a footprint of probably about, 1500 square ft and the home that we're proposing has a footprint of 2,65 Ft a very reasonable footprint very common um for homes in this area and much of northern northern Western New Jersey uh so I think it's very having driven through the neighborhood along Myersville and some of the other I think the the footprint of the house is very in keeping with a lot of the houses in the area some are a little bigger some are a little smaller uh but we feel it's appropriate for the neighborhood um we're also so addition to the the house here there is a a two or three-c car garage in the in the basement that you enter from the side can't see it from the street but uh the driveway enters where it does today and the house is roughly in the same location a hair or more to the West um to minimize our disturbance of those critical areas that we were discussing and uh and having the garage in the basement hides the vehicles and basically if you drive down Myersville Road you'll see it's a fairly not really a community but it's very private there's a lot of trees there's a lot of lot of uh Landscaping we're looking to maintain as much as physically possible of the existing uh vegetation on the site plus our client plans to very Tastefully landscape the property um when he's when he's finished building it um in addition to the the home you'll see back here we have inground pool with a cabana and a patio area behind it um you really wouldn't see that from the street with between the house and the trees that are around it be very private very shielded and then the Sports Court to the left on the plan you'll see a half basketball court uh it's 45x 32 a pickle ball court which a very popular sport today is a little smaller at 20 x 44 so we can accomodate either um for you know whoever buys this home they'd have some flexibility in their uh athletic Pursuits um would you uh take the engineers letter address that one yeah absolutely uh the last thing I'd say is we are proposing a new septic system which is located down here in the uh North corner of the plan um can I ask is there currently a sewer system for the house uh I'd have to probably a I believe there's a Cess pool septic yeah yeah but what is the house going to be hooked to it says a sep system sep there's no sore line on in that area not to my knowledge okay umore line down lville Road maybe not Myersville is not a lot of a lot of Myersville is septic so I think the um the water company supposed to fix that so you may be getting sores well there's I'm sure but I'm saying in the future the water compan is supposed to inre over the last year was researched I believe it's only yeah well at this point I'm saying in the future you may have a sour system yeah um hope by then you'll have family eight kids and uh just while you were asking about the septic you'll see there's a proposed water service from the Municipal Water Service and also there's Gas Service as well um before I get to the Eng years letter I just want to say uh we're proposing from a bulk setback and location of the house perspective a fully in that respect conforming application we're proposing uh 50 50 foot front yard where in the zone 50 foot is required so we're meeting that uh where 25t sidey yards are required we're providing 57.7 ft 13.6 ft and uh a combined side yard of 188 ft uh3 ft where 84.6 is required and lastly we have 169.74 ft is required and I just thought I'd point out also that all of our amenities are well within that 40ft set back to the rear yard as well um we're also conforming with minimum and maximum floor area ratio at you know it's two stories so we have a 2,65 foot front print our floor area ratio is 4,90 Ft well within the minimum of, 1500 and maximum of 7,125 for the property um and our coverage is proposed at 13.55% where 20% is permitted and uh the only bulk variance that we're here to discuss tonight which I'll get into a bit with the your engineers's letter is uh for Building height which um your ordinance measures from the peak highest point to the lowest point of the of the exposed facade um but before I delve into that if uh if I can pull out the letter from Mr how do I pronounce your last name V vuch thank you of Van CLE that was vo for the longest time whatever comes either sorry man it's okay so um I guess I'll begin on on page two page one introduces the application and what's been submitted starting on page two um we have a a summary of the exceptions variant and waivers the application requires so the first I'll address is the height it's the SE item 2.11 so the Zone permits a maximum of 35 ft and 2 and 1 half stories and we are proposing 38 and 1/2 and 2 and a half stories so at 38 and A2 that's 10% over what's being requested um at 10% that makes it a Schedule D variance instead of a Schedule C variance uh I'm not a planner but my understanding is that because of the nature of the variance it's not planning related and that I can speak to that tonight the engineer on theight yeah um yeah on the calculation yes can I just make a correction though a d height variance is if you exceed 10% oh okay so I in my letter I suggest that you put on testimony in case in during construction you happen to go one inch more okay um but it's it goes to 39 problem is Mr f is an expert he he's very will not be well but I appreciate that because it's always it always happens he may be on vacation somebody else right let's put it at 10 more okay um so as the ordinance measures it for the you know the highest point to the lowest point so the area where we have this this condition of exceeding your your ordinance requirement is along the left side of the house here where the garage is um that area compared to the rest of the surrounding grade is recessed by 3 and 1/2 ft um if you come up the dve driveway here you get about halfway and there'll be retaining walls that grow on either side because the driveway kind of cuts down into the Earth so the garage is set into the ground so from the front facade it'll be 35 ft which would be compliant with the ordinance from the other side where the closest house would be it'll actually be less you know from at the at the tallest point it would it would be compliant and in the rear it would be certainly compliant cuz the grade comes up in the rear um so the only area of the house that we're proposing that requires the Varian is is along the side here and um I just as as you drive through the property we're set back 50 ft there's a substantial amount of trees in the area you really would not even be able to see the section of the house that would exceed unless you enter the driveway and come up to it um it'll be barely visible from the road from a standpoint of exceeding the height so our main concern when when we're talking about this is first starting with the negative criteria of of what we have to address and and certainly by the way that we've situated the house with the Topography of the site with the um the Landscaping that exists today uh there's no detrimental um aspects to the neighborhood with respects to visuals with respects to blocking sight lines or anything um you know the top of our house at even 38 1/2 above 307 which puts you at 34 5 which is lower than it's you know it's it's level with the back of the property so someone standing at the back of the property could see see over the house um this is as a result putting thees underneath correct not adding any additional structure making more impervious surface making a much bigger structure by eliminating it a lot of people do is a three car garage or a greway that by eliminating that we keep the impious surface down correct correct um you know rather than and you're looking and so it's when you're looking at thees that we have the 38 that correct correct and uh if you were to look at the architect's drawings for the elevations you could see that that side and also um he can correct me if I'm incorrect in the test believe from the elevations the way the roof lines go it's not this imposing you know straight up wall that's 30 you know 38 feet high it's broken up with with the way the the roof is designed um so personally I feel it is a very appropriately designed house for the neighborhood addresses the challenges of the site with the topography with the steep slopes minimizes just by by putting the garage under the house um we're furthering the purposes of the municipal land use law and and your your land use law by minimizing our disruption of those critical areas to the minimum that we absolutely have to we're minimizing impervious surface mizing storm water runoff and all the things that go with that um while I'm there we are proposing two areas of storm water uh runoff um abatement if you will one up here by the pool one below the house um in total your ordinance calls for um detaining and uh in this case allowing to infiltrate in the soil 4 Ines of rainfall over your increased impervious surface um based on that requirement we're required to address 15574 gallons of rain water and our proposed systems will handle 15843 exceeding that requirement so we are compliant with storm water and I believe you noted that in the letter as well so speaking speaking just to close up on on the height though we've minimized our impervious surface we've minimized disruption of critical areas by adding the garage under the house unfortunately that requires the height variance um from a positive standpoint um it reduce it keeps it a smaller footprint which makes it look a little more rural a little you know it doesn't look like this expansive property not that there aren't other houses that have those detached garage we just felt it was more appropriate um do you have any further questions for me on that point I think that um we have indicated how how the how steep sles are I think you've indicated the uh plan need all the uh requirements in terms of the B variances and that by keeping the size of the particular structure this way we minimize the intrusion into the critical I think you covered all that I believe I believe that at least for that for that section so far yeah so for the height I think my overall comment on the height and how we how we arrived to it right it's always the the largest difference in calculation and so as their engineer pointed out that's at the that's at the gares below so the height became an issue because they dug down deeper not because the right and so another way to understand that is the way they set this property into the land um and the driveway you always want to have at a shallower slope coming into the property so as the property sits at a higher slope to situate to the the normal pad area the driveway comes in low and hits lower and then that lower driveway is nestled in with 4T retaining walls um so around the front and to the rear of the home you're at 32 to 317 around existing grades okay but you're at 307 down in the driveway so you have a significant change in just accommodating a better driveway design and lock rating in the front yard okay and then protect nestling that in with the with the um the retaining walls okay as well okay so you're saying it's a generally a better aesthetic look than right so that from from the front the lock grading feel will be a a shorter house yeah really kind of shorter than what our code would permit okay it would appear shorter as opposed to at height rather than above height in that nature the garage side of the house is 38 and six what is the height on the other side just for comparative purp purposes um I didn't see it it's another 5T lower okay so 306 I mean it's as it's as much as it's as much as 10 ft lower to the back corner um so 17 in the back corner the house is well under the 35 yeah okay in every other measurable way except for right there yeah except for at the point where you drop in the 4 foot retaining walls down to the garage to those garage areas yes um and then you you haven't yet gotten into 2 two no I just wanted to first off see if you had any other questions for me or the board on the on the height issue since that's our most significant request no I think it was I I think they explained that really well thank you thank you okay gotical to the engine please yes so moving on uh section 2.2 addresses uh several conditions related to development within critical areas um so a variance from section 2 point or uh you know I didn't write the section on here it's it's 1421 thank you yeah there they're all points within 1421 thank you oh I okay I see at the top there thank you um so item 2.2.1 in your letter addresses that no principal building accessory building parking area pool tennis court patio or deck should be located in a hole or in part within a critical area uh we require I would call it C1 variants really from this cuz there's exceptional topography on the site that does not allow us to comply with that and develop it um our areas in the back for our pool it's not a tennis but Sports area um are as much as possible on the property outside of those critical areas um so our largest disturbance is outside of it um the house there's a few areas inside um which are just behind the existing house that's there today which are a bit over the 15% slope and therefore qualify and I have here just a a number for you um of the 265t footprint of the house uh 992 sare ft within it is critical area so 44% of the house footprint but again if you look at that you'll see it's some irregular triangular shapes and um you know it's it's it's the difference of a few inches in grade as you go across that area that make it non-critical and critical so it's just barely over the limit uh of of how we measure what a critical area is so it's a it's a very very what I would say for sighting the house on the property it's the least the least intrusive of the critical area for sighting of the house that we could find um and of the steepness the the steeper it gets really the the more of an issue you have and um we've cited it in the area here where um we're disturbing the least critical of that if you if that makes sense um so we're requesting for a C1 variance from that section due to the exceptional Topography of the site uh the next item requires which uh you would ask you basically said that if the property was created or altered by subdivision or lot line adjustment prior to 2006 that this would not apply I believe so the way I read this section was well no wait yeah yeah that perhaps if it was the Lots created prior to 2006 this ordinance wouldn't wouldn't come in play as a variant on this relief and then and then on top if it's after we we need to understand if it's 10,000 or 20,000 based on the set right so we need to establish that to to establish the variance we provide with regard to the history of the property um the home was built from the records that we can find in the year 1900 there about um and the size property was what it is now from everything I can tell it hasn't changed at least since the 70s uh I didn't go past that in in looking at Deeds so it's been it was before 2006 correct would yes okay um the property was in one owner from 1971 until okay 2006 when somebody died found no records of any changes in that time period is that correct I I found no record found no records okay all right um so is it fair that we can skip that point changes since 2006 no variant supplies so moving on to the next item uh 2.2.3 of the letter uh in addition to the maximum lot coverage requirements established by schedule of bulk requirements no development in Township shall provide more than 70% prvious coverage of non-critical habitat of a lot we do comply with with that requirement which you note there um item 2.2.4 speaks to all single family lot providing a principal building setback of at least 50 ft front and rear yard from any critical areas and 25 ft to the sides um there is nowhere on this property that we could site the house and be in compliance with that requirement um so we're going to request C1 relief from that section due to the exceptional Topography of the site even in this area here you have the largest if you were to take 100 ft out of it it's the entirety of the the flattish area in the back so trying to read one of the things we discussed before the meeting if we took the house and moved it all the way back to where the pool is we still would not meet that that requirement of the ordinance because it basically eliminates The Filling we would still require the same variances yes um so given a full review of the site what we've cited we believe is the the lead detrimental impact if you will on those critical areas and um promotes the development of the site I believe in accordance with your the the goals of the municipal annus law and under1 particular compe in terms of topography yeah not so much as to its shape or or that but generally it has to just do with topography and the protection of those critical slope areas [Music] um question yes the um proposed septic area is very close to the road do we have any setbacks for septic the there are none the state health code requires 10 feet from the lot line and that and and that complies and we comply with that yes and this is City Water there no well okay which is about where it is to a well okay correct 10 ft to the right of the driveway we have to be 10 ft away from the the water line but we're well in excess of that was there ever a well on this property since the house was built yeah I was figuring that if the house was built so w but Ser hold on usually if they find itk it that old probably the pump ones yeah right the original the original survey shows a shed at back in the woods but I don't see probably the pump shed right it it may have had some sort of shallow well at one point but not that we have record most of the time you're talking I've got a 1900 house uh in the in most of moris County it's C pool than usually a hand up yeah I mean that's any kind of rural area that's what they normally have uh doesn't have it on our any any of the original other than like I said shed out which could be could a well shed which just if you have any concern about it if that were you know during construction or demolition they were to encounter an old well that would be abandoned in accordance with the state's with the state's Provisions for that yes take that as a condition um but uh I even you could put it as a condition but I you know the state uh requirements there's no way around it really yeah but we would like to put that in so we know um I don't object to that I'll for the attorney to it does no it doesn't matter we have to comply with it B uping Down The House bing up the old Foundation all of a sudden we find well we have yeah there's no way around that so um and then uh so we addressed the 2.2.4 so then the last section here regarding um exceptions was really uh or section related to the generators 134.0 M um our generator is located within 10t of the building uh it's over here to the area our reason for locating closer to the building is to just limit our disturbance further into those steep slopes um so we felt that that was appropriate so we're requesting I guess that would that be C2 for that yeah um and I I think the benefits of uh keeping it closer to the house and not further disturbing the slopes un necessary uh address both positive and negative criteria for the C2 in that in that regard I have a question for our engineer you mean our ordinance says it's supposed to be more than 10 ft from the house um it's I've never seen a generator that far from a house no um and so I would assume this section of the code refers to a time when generators were less Dependable um you know more dangerous more more you know fuel supplied by your your own pouring and all that as opposed to gas gas generator generators now that are really meant to be right next to the air conditioning unit right next to the home and complement the foundation make a recommendation they they reconsider that so um we most houses if you put a 10t from the house you're almost next to your neighbor yeah the last three applications in the last two years that we saw come to come to the zoning board with improvements to homes that included a generator all needed this yeah well that should be one of our our yearly recommendations we don't have a setback from the house to the generator know the way the ordinance treats generators they treat them the same as any accessory structure so so that you know if it's a shed it makes sense it would be 10 ft but if it's a generator it doesn't make sense sense CU you're putting it under someone else it follows the uniform construction code but it it's going to be under someone else's bedroom window not yours so where it you know where it is applicable is say at a pump station in the municipality yeah right sanitary or water pump station and you're having accessory power at that station than you want it to be further away from the building right but I I resen we should probably recommend we they we considerer that issue I will just add that the generator will be installed for its manufacturers guidelines and requirements um which which covers the the noise concerns of the spec of that gener there's natural gasa right natural gas a much cleaner quieter go ahead I'm sorry if I missed it could you could you re-quantify the the setback did you say 10 less than 10 ft what it's less than 10 it's um was it like two two three feet from the house going I need something somewhat precise uh right now we've got it drawn at one foot but um we would install it for the manufacturer's guidelines which is somewhere between like 12 and 18 in so that that what we've drawn is the pad it sits on the generator is typically smaller than that so you're crusting one foot a one foot step back yeah thank you got you thank you um addressing the noise requirement as you said uh modern natural gas generators uh the sound is very attenuated with Mufflers um they they only really run in any kind of sustained way during an emergency situation where there's no power um that's how I know that the power is out at my house as I hear my neighbor's generator running then you out I have to go out in my garage and plug mine in unfortunately but uh plug it into his um so it's it's really it's really not a nuisance in any sense um I think it depends on the manufacturer but every few weeks or or once a month it turn it'll start up for a few minutes and shut down just it's a process to make sure the batteries are good and everything's so that when it actually is needed that it'll actually start it's a it's a marvelous thing um I've seen guidelines that they should they can't be any closer than I believe it's six feet from a window that can open yeah I think it's it really depend whatever the manufacturer has a list of requirements for setbacks from it cannot be so many feet with a gas meter cannot be under a window cannot be in front of a access like all that ised by build it appears to me looking at where you have it plotted on the property and looking at the house design that you may have an issue if there's an issue related to the building corner you I guess you'll be okay if it's a little bit further towards the middle of the house no it have to it wouldn't be underneath that yeah it couldn't be underneath the that would be something for the building code we would relocate it as needed for the building official when we get to that stage and I also see here that you need a uh uh some sort of a fence uh yeah so item 2.33 visually solid fence with minimum height of 4 feet uh basically to enclose the generator in a row of plantings 4T in height around that we'll add that to the plan should you you were going to stay some yeah no that is correct they need a fence but there's an additional fence uh modification they'll need which is around the pool okay separ separate it's SE it's a separate thing yeah okay so I I I've never seen a fence on a generator either so well that's our code that's the code I know but I've seen generators out there that were installed and there's no fences around them I I think if the board is okay with landscaping that's that would be fine is this I I mean I I I don't know whether they still need a variance though because they're not doing a fence you grant grant the variance on the fence would be put in sink request right saying you come up with any other Vari yeah yeah no no no we know it's covered but I mean try to quantify I age com I I I don't think they need a variance because the section of the ordinance says it only applies to non-residential uses so I would suggest oh that's what I thought I've never seen a fence around a resal I would suggest that you do request Landscaping to Landscaping would be helpful you guys are okay with that and it's also in the back of the house and and put it around the outside of the generator yeah where where it's located it wouldn't be visible from any neighboring properties anyway but um the applicants proposing Foundation plantings which would be Tastefully run around there you know you don't want to be too close to it to restrict it same thing with your air conditioning units um they need to breathe um so then item 2.3 we'll I guess request a see2 variants on that from the fence but provide planting but we don't need it don't need you're residential I got yeah we just need confir for okay yeah right Mr Wilson I don't want to cut you off before we get too far away from it I believe you you did State this but I just want to confirm um you as far as the generator goes you'd be complying with the Township Code section 3-1 15.1 regarding the noise I believe that was some testimony there's no unnecessary or or nuisance noise correct okay just want to make sure you're compliant with that thank you yep yeah I think you yeah the ordinance doesn't give any like decibal levels or anything like that in in that ordinance it just says it shouldn't be a nuisance to your neighbors which this would not be um so just moving on that that that's the total of my testimony regarding the variances that we're requesting tonight um I think at that point we submit any questions from the board yeah any board members have questions for their engineer I got one before I'll throw it back to the board in a second but before we get too far away from the memo there were a number of other conditions Mr F got sure mentioned in his memo starting at I believe uh 3.5 uh requiring soil logs and perk tests would be really the only oh and then 36 yeah 36 stipulated you adding yeah so I was I was those are the only two that would track through the the rest are really more factual based what about the soil erosion and cement control 3.8 yes 37 and 38 will carry through construction and then I'd say four is 41 through 43 Outside Agency approvals right 41 satisfied 42 and okay we agree to comply with all his requests for res put that on just wanted to be clear thank yeah we agree to comply with all of his uh questions for technical review comments and agency approvals our planner has signed off okay no problem go ahead okay so I just had some additional comments um is there going to be fencing around the Sports Court yeah so the fencing that we're proposing extends around the pool and the sports court and how but it's only it it it you know how high four foot high with self-latching Gates all right so this is another idiosyncrasy with our ordinance is that in one place it requires that it be 48 in and another place it requires that it be a minimum of 54 yeah contradicting yes it it um for the pool or for every for the it for the pool so we can raise the height to be what you say 54 54 so you'd want that around the pool and then around the uh the sport court that could be 4 feet or or 54 the whole way no it could be 54 I was when I looked at it thought it was basketball court which I thought would be you'd actually want a hire fence but okay they make it50 is there is there there's no problem with that no we'll raise to 54 in the whole area we don't you know the we're trying to keep it as one enclosure for safety purposes instead of trying to add a middle fence I don't think that would would work well so and the fence is going to be what vinyl uh um oh okay that's fine it will be tasteful okay I didn't know if he knew okay okay but you're going to be comp providing yeah we'll be fence yeah we we'll provide a compliant fence it'll be tasteful it'll be appropriate for meeting the safety guidelines around the pool okay okay thank you um and then I I I think you're the right person to ask this but are is there going to be any proposed lighting of the sports court and the swimming pool for nighttime use uh yes the lighting has to be shielded we it would be down lighting it wouldn't it would be dark sky down lighting it's not going to be flood lights I'm the board might suggest or request that there be a time where the lights go off yeah um you know like we don't want to pass probably 11:00 at night or there is an ordinance on lights for pools they must be off by I think it's 10 p.m. 10 I'm not sure we would comply with the town's ordinance for the lights to turn off why I shouldn't the poll is going to have a light in it but you know also lighting around it but but the Sports Court we don't have any regulations for sports so the board may want to yeah probably be the same 10:00 yeah the the lights we would provide the owner and applicant would comply with the town's ordinance for when they have to be off but Sports courts you'll have to yeah well there is no ordance for the sports courts so we would we would make it 10 o00 in compliance with the poll any objection to that no that's fine by fine that be on a timer basically we'll put it all together anyhow yeah because we're putting it as one one well yeah but you should be able to light the either one probably more on a switch that they're not just on every night right right no no no I know off by 10 o' yeah off by 10 sure and um the on a similar note I'm was wondering if there was going to be any sound system at either the pool or you know an outdoor sound system that we haven't gotten but if you were to do one would you it has to meet right okay but would you agree to turn it off at any time or no I mean would agree to comply with whatever ordinances okay okay it's until the police C NJ AC hold on hold on go ahead it's NJ ac7 colon 29 that's the the New Jersey noise code you guys will comply with that as far as the uh any music goes okay well you will have to anyway but just for if you don't they'll call the police right um as you said your property's pretty isolated so if pretty loud music for anybody to hear it you'd have to play pretty loud for anybody to be disturbed you know we want to make sure that if develop I mean there's a potential somebody could be uh disturbed by it sure um just a three other items um that I requested in my letter that you add standards for swing pools and accessory structures in the zone table okay um I didn't see a North arrow on the site plan I noticed that tonight my apologies okay it just took me a minute and then um it looks like the elevation drawings for the pool house are um are reversed looks like the East is West I that may not be you and West he can speak West and East sorry your first one was add standards for the pool the swimming pools and the accessory structures which would be the Cabana and the yeah and the Sports Court put another table Yeah and then we will add that for uh should you act favorably tonight to the final plans okay that's it thank you oh thank you all right do we have any questions from our board for their exp I have a question I was trying to understand the the triangulation of the the white areas and there's new steep slope area and less I'm just wondering how much of the land is carved up and changed into flat areas that used to be steep areas and how much is being turned back into steep areas sure so any when you see the the solid lines here with the numbers on those are proposed contour lines um and you'll see all around the Sports Court this will all this area here that's white would be converted to new critical area behind the sports Cor because we have to increase the slope there where it currently isn't um over 15% it will be when we're done uh but it's still a safe stable uh slope in keeping with um common engineering design practice and then to the right of the pool here you have a section here that'll be steeper than 15% where it's not today um a section here um along the front of the house here um there's some sections where it's not currently over 15% but it would be post construction um and then as far as flat areas that are currently steep really the only areas would be within the footprint of the house and a little bit in the driveway area here um so really we're creating more protected square footage than than we're removing you're making more steep area yes but that's actually and that's and that's when and yes make more critical area but that also makes more water run off the property as opposed to keeping some flat areas um so it doesn't necessarily increase runoff um in volume uh and the areas we're talking about it's it's so short and small and and it's grass that the percentage of runoff you would have is very low um I would most of that is directing towards the storm water catchments yeah so everything that's here where we're adding these seep slopes behind is collect in the storm water catchment and infiltrated in the ground so we're reducing the runoff really today because all the areas we're adding impervious we're collecting 100% of it when today undeveloped some percentage of that does run off the property so the the runoff post construction would be lower or the impervious the impervious is higher but the storm water runoff is lower because we're collecting it all than what's there today so you're keeping it on your property yes yeah we have those two underground uh storm water basin areas here and here they're shown by the has so you can see yeah they're they're trenches there's some details on the second sheet we submitted for that look yeah and are those so a lot of times we see tanks being put in are those is that something different more like a septic field so the tanks that you're looking at are they called dry Wells yeah um and basically it's a tank with a bunch of holes in it that you put in a hole um those require a much deeper excavation and for the volume that we had to hold um The Trenches with the um hold on they have uh perforated pipes and stone provide the volume we need and also allow us to do it along the hillside where instead of ripping up this huge excavation on the hillside which is more more disturbance more of that we're minimizing the excavation with this design to provide the storm water that's required with also minimizing our are disturbance in deep excavations they essentially they go lateral as opposed to Vertical right so a dry well typically has a minimum installation of 6 feet 6 to 8 feet from grade so to from the low side of the Hill if you're digging yeah it's from the low side of the hill so when you're doing an installation like this in a in an area of of sloped grading they're terracing the infiltration through you know traditional French train trenches they worked for the night's Templar and they work still today in and honestly with with spreading it out you're you're allowing more ground area for that water to infiltrate it's for this property it's the appropriate design if you look at page two to answer your question put the storm water recharge trench youly right right okay you're right drywalls are very commonly put in for houses um just because of the Topography of the site we felt that this system was more appropriate than drywalls but it it performs the same function okay and a couple other things the the Sports Court uh takes up a you know a good amount of land that would have just been land but it's now impervious land and you're increasing the steep slope um uh explain again why a sports court because you think all the rest of the houses in the neighborhood have Sports courts too because they're just down the road in Myersville there is a pickle ball court and there's basketball courts and baseball field and maybe the people in this house would like to go into the community rather than have it privately on their property uh they may I mean our entire Sports Court is outside of the critical area um the disturbance that's required because of it is a little bit here with making the slopes steeper and this section here would become steep slopes continuation um it's of all the disturbance that's required that's the the least Disturbed area of the project and least impacted all right and also during construction can you describe what level of protection the rest of the road and everyone downhill from there is going to be getting from uh the silt and stuff that'll be created during construction absolutely so uh one of the conditions of um approval which would would be from uh Mr V vo vo's letter um I messed that up I'm sorry engineer is fine yeah the board engineer you're talking about is uh approval from the uh soil erosion set of control district as part of that um we're going to detail you know the measures is there's a stone wheel cleaning blanket here so that any construction vehicles if there's mud or dirt don't drag it out in the street it's kept on site um silt fence will be installed around the whole perimeter of the uh disturbance so that when you have rainfall it doesn't run off and then part of approval from The Soil Conservation District because they come out and inspect that and uh the applicant is obligated to maintain those measures and keep them in good working order throughout the entire project and they can't come down until everything's fully stabilized just one silk funds whatever's required and appropriate to handle the silt um so in a in steeper areas at the bottom of the property it may be a super cell vence or it may be Terrace will be at the direction of the county yeah we don't have a whatever the health actually which uh which soil moris County so conservation yeah Morris that's right we're in Morris County Morris County sou conservation I'm sure will have opinion on that but whatever whatever we have to do to prevent it what super silt fence you know the sil fence you see from Like Home Depot that falls down in like a month is is not great but the super silt fence has like a wire mesh in it and you'll see that on the side of the highway um we could provide that along the frontage here where you're at the biggest risk and then really the the risk of having erosion on the sides or on the top there's none because it's downhill and on the sides it's pretty minimal it'll be but it has to we have we have to whatever we propose has to be approved by the Soil Conservation District and that includes um soil compaction testing and then uh remediation throughout you know the cut fill process under their jurisdiction um as well as the fact that it is fronting onto a county road right so the county will have more watchful eyes over this than something that was in a more secluded part of our residential neighborhoods that runoff that runoff is going to be directly to the frontage and to the street and to any Downstream Neighbors on that front they don't want mud on their Road no and it's it's in our interest to do everything we can to prevent that because the county is uh are not no they're they're very very quick to uh address deficiencies there in my experience um great that's super super friend any other questions just one yes um on the North I I don't know above the sport court it says maximum slope 3 H colon 1 V what what does that mean so the H is for horizontal the one is for vertical um the reason for the h&v is just so somebody that's three feet horizont for every three foot you move you go down one oh or up one or up one yeah in that case it's up or is it down one depends on which side of the slope you stand oh exactly so it's down one when you're going toward the court yeah if you're standing on the top of the hill it would it would go down one for every three which is the most not the steepest we can design to but it's the steepest we can design to that you can easily maintain that's stable that's not going to have erosion issues what is the percentage of slope 33 33 okay any other questions are there any members of the public that want questions of this uh witness no okay hearing none we close it to the public Mr chairman just so that that I can get it on the record I this time like to pullan the principal so he can confirm condition can we take a two-minute break oh absolutely okay going to take a two-minute break thank you you are e e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right back on the air yeah all right we're back yes Mr chair I just like to havean the principal of the company certainly um verify the uh Savings in terms of the commitments that the engineer made because although the engineer is a representative of the company I understand certainly he cannot commit so I'll go through the uh the okay assertions that were made as test the mic is it working yes okay Kuan you heard the statements by the engineer first of all let's talk about well first of all let him introduce himself I'm sorry and and spell your name please fukan bow F q u a n b i l a l the owner uh developer SF Holdings LLC owner of uh 837 mil over Road in Long Hill okay and how long you did you own that uh almost two years now okay I believe yeah thank you okay so foran uh let's start with the easy one the uh the putting the time limit on the uh entertainment area wait the sports I'm very sorry meeting and hearing and recess oh thank you wait a minute do this all the time thank you okay thank you I didn't see that uh you heard the engineer talk about that there's no issue with limiting the lights on the uh Sports Court and the pool uh you would direct and and agree to all uh have a t a timer cut shutting that off at 10: correct yes I also heard him commit to spend some of your money for landscaping around the generator yes you also will agree and commit to that condition yes I do and you heard the lovely planner here indicate that we have a very strange du height for the ordinance and you have no problem in creating the fence at at 54 in 54 yes 54 in around the entire section yes yes and I forgot who asked what the fence is going to be do you know what have you decided what kind of fence it's going to be at usually it's uh it's see the black uh 54 foot uh 54 in of uh 5 54 in height variant 54 in is black aluminum or whatever it is V vyl something like that yeah yeah you can see through it so yeah and let's see so it's the generator the pool the timer on that the fence and you also agree that whatever uh Morris County Soil Conservation requires you to do in terms of site mitigation during construction that you will comply with that yes correct you also agree on behalf of the company that you will comply with the sound orance for the operation purchase a generator that will meet the de levels correct uh I believe those are all the assertions now you have the confirmation by okay uh are there any questions of our board members to by to the owner or for the owner about this project about the project or about just the assertions well no about the project in general since he's building I don't know if he was coming up again or this is it is he coming up again for some other reason or just no he doesn't have to because we got the engineer have the AR okay okay so I mean if you want to ask him any questions about the project uh your attorney seemed to indicate that um in this area there's a lot of sports courts uh on uh you know on new homes and I haven't seen too many of them uh maybe they're in other communities but you know how how important to the success of this project is the Sports Court well we just wanted to give as much value as possible for the land and use it for what we could uh we felt as though those amenities were appropriate um you know it's if it's something that's going to stop in approval then it's you know it's not something that you know I would we need to fight for it and go for it it's just add trying to add additionality to yeah the best shoes to the property and add the most value for you know so I take it this is in place of putting a basketball net on the side of the house by the garage which is the typical way it as opposed to banging the ball against the side of the house you had the you wanted to do a court that could be dual Ed for basketball or or correct correct and it's a it's a decent sized property have guest entertainment they can have kids play and swim and enjoy themselves well that that uh it does look like a great place for entertaining um going to sports qut per second if that wasn't there what else would be there instead would it just be left in this dog park or something I don't know it would be it would be grass right it would be I mean would would the grading changes and the steep slope additions be still done or would it be left in its natural state well that would be the engineer question those are the guys that I pay a big bucks to get Division I mean I just don't know that there would be you know um if it's not going to be a Sports Court why would it be developed I guess would be the question to the engineer if he's well would it be in other words would it be a would it be changed to a grassy area would it be left uh a forest what you know what what would it be I mean in the sense that if we don't develop the property it'll remain as it is no no no that one area where the court is yeah I mean the the reason for grading it is to make it flat enough to play basketball no what we're saying is I think you're missing the point what's there now would it if you left it where there was no court there would it be agous to make it a lawn or would it be more of a forested area or natural it's a pretty overgrown forested okay area that's got a lot of undergrowth I'm sorry correct me if I'm wrong they don't they're not asking for an impervious coverage variance yeah I don't believe any of our variances or anything are associated with that so okay yeah he just asking the use of it but I mean right now it would be the amount of leveling you would have to do for that are you increasing the grade behind it all that great or how you you know how much of are you really increasing so there's a let me get my scale so for 17 ft or our limited disturbance is 20 fet off the back of the basketball court so the grading is a hair less than that um so that area that we're disturbing and making steeper goes from somewhere between 15 and 20% to 33% so it's slightly steeper but it's still a maintainable lawn area aesthetically it won't look substantially different other than it would have a a flatter area with a basketball court in it okay so and I guess you could also add that since we're collecting the storm water runoff from the basketball court if we don't have it there you'd have more runoff because we wouldn't be collecting it okay so I do see the the whole collection field for the pool area that is also collecting from the Sports Court yeah so if you see on the downhill side of it there's like kind of a gravel area and the pipes from that along with the roof from the Cabana come to a combination box there in between the two and then drain down into the uh into the Basin along with the areas from the the pool all the impervious areas in the back there are all collected and and infiltrated so you're taking what comes off that steep slope across the Sports Court into that area correct okay all the runoff uphill of this will get collected and put into the ground any other questions no okay any other questions for the owner developer thank you any and obviously we still don't have any public okay close it to the public at this time I'd like to call the architect Mark that A1 yes yes when he puts it up yeah is that two different boards one board it's just one okay look there's a second one behind it okay so mark that exhibit A1 can you give me a title for that this is just a rendering for the would you use the mic please the mic you can take the mic off for that okay and just describe the the uh rendering yes so this is a rendering for the the first uh picture on the right side side is the main house the front view of the main house and the one here at the bottom is the pool house okayy your full name uh my full name is Iman sedra a y MN last name is sedra s c um and you're a licensed I'm licensed architect to good standing I testified in many municipalities um like you hold that a little further away from your okay there you go that's good um uh for example um Union City uh Jersey City Bon shadam uh Long Branch pamis okay you're you're deemed qualified thank you and real quick what's the date on that rendering is that dated today or is it a different date uh 62223 okay great thank you and the second sheet behind it is what the second sheet is the drawing drawing which you have oh we have that one okay we have the yes okay so that's just the architecture that's the architecture Appliance so what I'd like to do is could you uh just talk about the structure that you design and then talk about the fact that uh the one side has the height variance and how you came about the configuration and sure Bally your your opinion as an architect on on this particular sure I'm going to start with this sheet uh a01 which you have the first sheet you have uh this sheet has the floor points of the main building uh on the right here this is the first floor and the first floor has all the Living Spaces uh which our dining room living room we have a two-story foer stair on the right we have the family room breakfast area kitchen Butler Bantry and also we have a guest bedroom in this level and uh a full bathroom outside from here we have a a wood deck it will take us down here here to next to the garage area the entrance for the garage um this floor here is the basement level the basement uh has three car garage and uh we have a big rck room area here with the WID bar we have our mechanical room bathroom uh we have a media room and a gym room so this is the uh the floor plan and the layout for both floors the first and the basement the next sheet which is [Music] a02 um here on the left we have the second floor uh the second floor hosts all the bedroom spaces um we have four bedrooms including the master suite uh and the master suite has its own uh walk-in closets and uh master bathroom um one of the bedrooms uh it's B little bigger size and it has its own bathroom and and a walk-in closet the other two bedrooms they share um a wholeway bathroom with the d double sink um here on the right uh this is the layout for the pool house uh the pool house maybe I should go over the elevations for the main house first and then we'll come back to the pool house the next sheet uh Mr seedar when when you get yourself situated I just want to confirm these are the plans that were revised uh June 22nd 2023 correct okay great thank you um so the main house uh this is the front of the building it's a colonial style home with the symmetrical arrangement uh we have a lot of glazing a lot of um big uh double hung windows [Music] um um also we're using material that's known for the you know for the colonial style homes uh this building will be a white building pretty much except uh we're going to use black windows um black roofs or or maybe very dark gray roofs uh we have a standing seam roof above the porch area here uh the material that's used for this building we're using a stone at the base of the building and and then we're using mix of material between um uh Hardy lab siding uh uh at the first floor and then we're using uh a board and Baton at the at the left side of the building and also we have some shingles here at the second floor we have arched big Windows um the design of this uh building matches the you know the the characters of the uh Colonia style homes as they're known with the their big roofs and we have a lot of roof area on top um as you see the front view the the height of the building here about uh 34 or 35 ft and then it drops down into 38 uh 5 ft at the garage side where we have the garage so most most of the most of the view shows the conforming height uh regarding the the garage side it's only seen from when you enter by the garage you will see it's a little bit higher than the normal and it's because of the depression to get the garage and that we actually exceed the 35t correct so in the front the window at the lower left side is as a result that of the difference of the correct and then the the bottom drawing that that's the that shows that's the side of looking for the VAR yes correct this that's the side of the garage and also we looked about uh today we looked actually to to uh to see if it's possible to lower the roof by any means to to avoid the variance and it's not because the the the slope of the roof from the side is 5 1 half over 12 that's considered not very steep roof and for us to lower it more is not going to make the building look uh as as how it looks now cuz imagine the the roof is like here it just going to look like a small small roof on top of very tall building um um um so um the next sheet uh again the material we're using on the side we're using uh James Hardy uh lap siding this is the rear and uh and um the side and the neighbor correct and both of them would also be conforming 35 or less correct um going back to uh the pool house the pool house house is designed to match the character and the colonial look of the of the main house uh we have a small sitting area with the wi bar area in a fireplace uh we have a changing room with the bathroom at the back here and also we have a roofed area with the trailers Uh Wood beams and trailers on top uh in front of the pool area um as I said the the the look of the the pool house to match the main house uh we have the Gable roofs you know just to match the character of the main house uh we're using uh Stone pillars for the pool house we're using shingle Hardy shingles and also we're using board and Batton on top of the uh close from the top of the ridge um uh the regarding the I'll I'll correct the orientation of the garage one yeah was just a double I wasn't sure I was reading it correctly so that's fine the the the labels for East and West are okay are just yeah What reversed so we're going the wrong way we'll fix it the go facing the way from the pool yeah so basically uh and this is the obviously the the rendering that shows the colors and the materials to some degree so the board understands in the upper rendering where you see the could you put that microphone closer to you yeah but it it doesn't pick up as well unless you get nice and intimate with yeah okay uh the rendering on top where you see the car that's the the only area where we're exceeding the 35 ft and that's generally what the after built condition will look like is that correct correct no other questions with this witness Mr chairman subit to the board for your questions before the board do you uh does any one of our either one of our experts have questions for them no nothing about in your reports okay any questions by board members of the architect I have a question and this may be better reflected probably in that top right picture there um when you step down from the front steps there's a pathway from the front steps going heading east to to the garage doors is that correct in the front of the house that connects the front doors to the garage yes there is uh steps going down here okay to take you to the garage s any other questions the architect any questions from the public seeing no public I close it to the public okay Mr chairman I'd like to thank you and the board for your attention to this application that is our application what we have here is uh the I I believe a clear plan that shows uh the applicants attention to try to minimize the critical areas uh also to develop a home in keeping with the modern homes being built in the area I think that the height variants uh makes sense because you've heard testimony I just will recap it shortly in that by putting the garages underneath you don't add to impervious surface and more importantly as you see the pink we don't extend out and you get into more critical areas we take the area of the existing home built aund and something years ago and we keep that area to a minimum of disturbance of the critical areas now you also heard from the engineer that in terms of the critical areas that these are not that extreme that these are basically something that you can maintain for Wars Etc we've also are going to add some critical areas to make the amenities go in but we're we are a fully compliant with your ability your requirement of your ordinance to maintain and uh hold our runoff we as a matter of fact as the engineer indicated we exceed the minimum requirements the uh all of those variances are as a necessity because of the nature of particular piece of property I think that based upon the testimony and the stipulations of the owner that this board has been given what they need from the municipal land use to be able to to determine that the height variance is appropriate that it is makes more sense to give the height variance than to extend the garage and and impact any other critical areas I think that overall uh we have a plan that we've agreed to make your conditions some of the I think got a coup things you may want to bring up at the end of the year in your zoning report to the municipality fix the inconsistencies of the fence but Mike aten has agreed to make the higher so there's no issue fix the inconsistency of the generator because I would never put a generator in a house 10 feet away either I think those are two important things that you've mentioned today uh I believe we have given you a a very clean and very professional application that this house will be a benefit to the community and will be very in keeping with Township's requir thank you on that basis I'd ask for your approval thank you just to keep it uh legit here any members of the public want to comment on this uh application before we deliberate hearing none close it to the public okay Tom would you like to start our deliberation I would so thank you very much for nice application talking to the mic H thank you very much for a very nice application um this property built over a 100 years ago 100 and a quarter years ago um obviously needed some sprucing up perhaps and but uh as for the height variance the the change is as we say di Minimus es especially in consideration that if the ground was raised so and the house was ele extended out so that the garage was outside of the house there wouldn't be a variance need um so I I'm I'm not worried about that at all you're reducing the runoff by collecting uh in your which look like leech Fields but nobody said that word and I won't use it um all in all um it's a very nice project it's it's a benefit to the community to revitalize that home and I will be in favor of it Meredith well I echo my fellow board memb sentiments regarding the property um I also think too it's a testament to your plan it seems very carefully thought out it seems like I mean it's I'm very excited to see what it turns into and um I think too that's a testament to what you've done because you don't have any of your neighbors that are here and uh that are asking questions and you know what they're ech echoing their concerns um you addressed all the issues about the topography I think keeping the critical areas preserved as much as possible and minimizing any intrusion to those critical areas is is great I took a look at that colorcoded map and it's really a fixed within the white area and keeping the red area the um critical area um safe um the storm water abatement you have two locations for that that exceed greatly exceeds all of the requirements um and I think it'll be a really beautiful addition to the to the neighborhood a great Improvement so if I were to vote on this I would say yes yes Tom well on the one hand I think you did a terrific job in and designing something that will fit very nicely into this piece of property into this neighborhood so I would uh be in favor of everything except for the basketball court I don't think your testimony demonstrated that there'd be a hardship placed upon the developer by um denying his application for the bastic wall Court nor do I think grining that variance um or do I think the grining of the variance would amount to a deviation from the uh the zoning law so yes and no is my answer Gary um it's amazing that you're developing so much of this property uh but it's a large property to work with um the uh the height variance is is not that uh significant uh and it looks like you've adjusted it uh it's only on the one side because of the way that you've figured and calculated how the garage can work for you uh at the end it's it's it doesn't seem like that large of a house but your project still seems very large with the uh the proposed you know pool area and and the Sports Court which I'm still scratching my head about uh realizing of course it doesn't affect the total lot coverage um so there's no variance requested there uh I think there's going to be some incredible sunsets from this property uh overlooking the swamp and and I think it's going to be a a vast improvement from what's existing there so I think any detriments so are not significant and the the benefits far outweigh them so I'll be supporting us thank you Randall I I don't really have um much to add other than to thank um Council and the experts for their presentation particularly uh the engineering expert he had the uh the fun job tonight getting to answer all the questions the architect had the tough job of uh showing the cool renderings but um being factious there um no but thank you for the presentation um I think the project makes a lot of sense you addressed all the concerns uh so I'll I'll vote Yes um with no caveat to the sport court so yes all the way around thank you okay I echo my fellow board members I think this is a a fine uh addition to the neighborhood whatever neighborhood is the the neighborhood but to the town itself I think what's there is definitely an eyesore I mean fortunately you don't see it from the road that well but it's definitely something needs Improvement I mean uh this is these are the kind of properties that really don't make our Township look good when we have dilapidated old houses sitting there so it's I feel it's good that a someone came in and and is doing something nice with this property and I think that the uh everything you've done is is a benefit to to the property it fits nicely within the property uh you've avoided most of those steep slope areas um I think that whoever gets that house is going to be lucky about you know having that nice pool and the house and it's designed very nice and I don't have any problem with the sport court I I think that if you have that many bedrooms you're going to have lots of kids and they're going to be out there playing and I think it's a nice addition to have that and the and the and the uh pool uh it doesn't go over the impervious um I I I really don't think it detracts from the property I think it adds to it and it adds a value to the house so I would be in favor of it without any caveats so um would to summarize yeah sure I'll do my best Mr chairman okay so the applicant here is Seeking a few variances the first is a D6 height variance for the height of the proposed dwelling 35 ft is the maximum permitted and the applicant proposes a 38.5 ft uh dwelling is measured from the East Elevation um I know in other towns we treated D6 also as a bulk I don't know if Liz I don't want to push on the spot again I'm sorry but should we included bulk for that as well or just keep it no I no I I mean I I think that what more the I think the idea was that the it could be a bulk okay because they may not exceed the 10 okay so the D6 would supersede yes if indeed they do wind up exceeding the 10 then they've put the the testimony on okay just want to make sure it's doing everything right here okay so 1 D6 no bulk for the height let me just cross that out um the next I believe these are two separate variances one for the location of the improvements including the uh proposed dwelling deck driveway pool pool housee and sports court within a a steep slope critical area and also a second one uh which would just be pertaining to the the house itself I I read that as two separate ordinance Provisions they're violating um Le that Joe seemed to indicate it was two yes is it just one in your opinion yes it's just one okay so they're combined under one all right so that's just one it's the second variance yeah they're all under the same section yeah okay okay I just gotcha and then the third yeah the third and final would be the generator setback from the principal dwelling uh 10 ft is the minimum required setback between the two and the applicant proposes a 1 foot setback there and then as far as conditions go do my best to run through them uh the first was that any well discovered on the property would be demolished uh the next would be that the applicant would agree to screen the uh proposed generator with landscape screening um so that they they don't need well no they didn't need that variance anyway so scratch that um applicant shall comply with items 2.3.2 as well as items 3.5 through 4.3 of our board Engineers memo uh applicant shall provide a compliant pool fence eliminating the need for that additional variance uh any lighting for the pool or Sports C would be directed downward or otherwise shielded so is not to cast light spillage on the neighboring properties applicant shall comply with all ordinance requirements for pool lighting uh Sports Court lights shall be shut off by no later than 10 p.m. the uh the no the the music any any outdoor music speakers would comply with njac 7 col 29 that's the state noise code U applicant shall comply with comments 6 s and 8 in our board planners memo and I believe that's it and I think what was included in the board uh professionals memos was the more technical comments Rel related to plan revisions Outside Agency approvals and things right when check on that you said that the lights go down at 10 for the sport court I thought it was the sports Court the and the and okay I'll just call correct the whole recreational area Okay Sports Court lights and pool pool pool is the pool's already by ordinance yeah and the intent was to match it sport court so that's why the sport court had to be specified I see okay appreciate the assist J um so that's it um I'll throw this out to the applicants Council have six board members tonight you know you need five for a de variance you throwing it up to a vote or do you want to a okay all right do I hear a motion to approve this application somebody so moved okay you he a second I'm sorry who was the second roll call please Mr Watts yes Vice chairman grot yes yes Mr gakis yes Mr Flatley a yes for all the variants except for the one for the sports court for which I vote no they don't need a variance for that there's no variance for that I think they do because it's they did oh they do the critical area oh not for the coverage okay critical area okay go ahead Miss Collins yes and chair mcgr yes motion car okay you got it there you go again like uh so thank you for your attention your professionalism like to thank your planner and your engineer i' like to especially thank the real hard person that runs the board yes pleasure I apprciate she she likes chocolates and flow no no I just likeing TOS you can't do thats that's a nice box of Chocolat not this you can get Valentine's Day car chocolate now for $15 it's marked down right okay I appreciate it have a wonderful thank you thank you we we look forward to the walk through uh when you have the grand opening okay all right um you want to take a a short break or you want to continue I say continue I'll see if anybody else yeah does anybody need a break a break okay um just for the record I have to recuse myself for the next one because I am associated with the church across the street um and unfortunately I can't sit for this one and I I hate to leave you guys I'll leave you in good hands but I hate to have one less person here but say good night John Boy good night you can sit in the back and give I don't I don't want to I want to go home yeah good night John Boy come on the Walton come on good night mother good night there good night right good night Mar Ellen they were usually in bed together yeah have fun take easy thanks for dropping by yeah Tom you don't want the captain's chair a I'm good here okay comy all right well just while everybody's getting situated I'll just point out for the record um the applicant this this matter was carried actually from the uh the board's May 7th meeting just a couple weeks ago the applicant was to provide further further notice and did so I deem the content and uh timeliness of service of that notice to be sufficient to give the board jurisdiction so uh that's it in a nutshell so I won't take up too much more time with that Ruby in session dead good evening Mr chair members of the board board professionals Frederick zeli post poic on behalf of the applicant the uncom in uh and I've also noticed that the uh noted that the owner of CPM Associates LLC they are related entities just for the record this is regarding 331 Elm Street in Sterling it's tax block 136 14.01 is located in your office or ozone the applicant is seeking use of bul variants relief for the construction of a playground used in conjunction with the applicant learning and daycare center for children with autism disorder which I'll refer to as the center this is located on adjacent lot 14 project requires a use variance because the center is located on a separate lot from the playground and playgrounds are permitted only as accessory uses in the ozone not be the Principal use project also requires bu erance relief uh for having an accessory structure on a lot separate from the principal structure sounds like I just said the same thing twice but they are technically two different things uh you don't have uh you need a use varant you need a D1 because the accessory use we're talking about cannot be of principal use that's a D1 uh but you have a separate ordinance section that specifically says accessory buildings accessory structures of principal buildings cannot be on separate blocks that's a both variant so we have two that sound very similar to one another we also have a bul variant for impervious coverage uh there is currently 36.7% cover on the property 40 is permitted uh but we are seeking 50.5% uh between parking areas and the playground that's being proposed two witnesses here this evening Greg Carr who is the principal of the applicant and B Hollow who you know is our engineer and unless you have any questions for me I'd like our witnesses to be sworn all right four professionals all right good everybody knows the drill do all of you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to provide will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God do okay great there we go Mr car would you please State your uh name and business address for the record y u bre Carr and the business address is 1071 Val and how do you sp your last name c a r r and what is your affiliation with the uncommon thre the managing director of the and the founder of the uncomon threat and what is your association with CP Associates LLC it's my LLC and just to be clear uncommon thre at least officially is a tenant of CPN yes and what is the uncom threat so um by the way we we came into town in 2007 and we're over also on Valley Road right I'm GNA ask you to please make sure I'm just got a notice from somebody watching that they can't hear us so sorry right right next to the Sterling Diner um we've been there since 2007 um we actually developed a playground there also same thing that we're trying to develop here at the new site um and uh what we do as an organization is we support children that are diagnosed with autism so my son was diagnosed at the age of two um this was almost 20 years ago and what we learned was that there's a teaching science called Aba which is applied Behavior Analysis and what it is it's the only thing that's approved right now by all the medical specialists all the medical associations as well as all the insurance companies now um to to support those children there's actually insurance coverage now otherwise we'd be out of business because I'm a terrible fundraiser so um but we've been serving kids now um since then we actually moved into 331 Elm um Bill Hollows was the um principal owner at the time um and I was hounding him for years to try to get him to sell us that building because it was a perfect fit for what we're trying to do we're looking for a really cozy environment and 331 Elm if you haven't seen it lately it's really well built for what we're doing providing these kids services so ABA is a teaching science it really breaks learning into smaller pieces so a lot of these children they are diagnosed they have they're severely behavioral you have to overcome their behaviors and then you have to break learning into very small pieces for them to understand so it's an intensive service um it is a one-on-one service where we have one one child with one therapist and then you have a board certified person that's then supporting those people so um we've been doing that since now since the beginning since 2007 when we first moved into the going so I just want to kind of give you a little background um about who we are and what we're all about we're a nonprofit organization um and we're also support by the way we're in your public school system here we have a bcba and we have some therapist that are actually supporting your kids in the public schools here um in town um we also um have served a lot of the actual family members in town and we have a large number of employees that actually work and live in the town of Sterling and and Gillette so um I think we're doing a great job right now supporting these kids as well as generally supporting the community so and what is the bcba uh board certified Behavior anims so the ones that are in charge of the overall and the oversight of the children and then you have the therapists which are the oneon-one working with the kids themselves and what is the age group of the uh children at the El location so we're young so our our age group is between 18 months and five um it's actually when that neuroplasticity is most valuable for these kids so the earlier that you get working with these children right the greater the successes why and everybody knows when you're young you learn a lot faster than you do when you're older so if you could work with these kids at those younger ages right it really pends well for their successes in the future we have a really high percentage of get these kids into mainstream schools so we're here primarily for two things a playground and a parking area the parking area essentially exists it's going to be improved is that fair to say yes yeah um besides were 27 therapists M who else uses the par l so we typically have between I would say between five and eight board certified people coming in to kind of oversee it um and really depends some of them are part-time most of them are full-time so they're kind of transa in and out you could have a full lot at any given time in the existing building we probably have about four to five administrators that are actually managing scheduling activities that are going on in the the building managing just day-to-day staffing issues keeping the building clean those type of things um and then the most recent um the additional Space is really needed today for we have a lot of parents that are now coming in for training so um parents are actually coming in on a daily basis now um the most successful children that we have is when their parents are very much engaged so the more we can get the parents engaged in learning how to support their kids so we're providing a lot more training now for families we also bring in a lot in exilar Services we bring in speech now um and physical therapy so that's additional people that are coming in and then on top of that we have things like music we have dog therapy um we have um gym um for they get they place called my gym comes in so we have these instiller services I don't know if anybody saw our Fair the other day but we had a huge Fair there we had a tent we had all sorts of activities we had a petting zoo we had horseback riding so they all came into our our parking lot you know for the day we actually B of the church's parking lot for the day but so it's very active right so there's there's a lot of activity around supporting these kids and the greater the supports right the more success we have with those children how many children do you have on this on this site typically on average on an average day you're between 27 and 30 right um on average um so it could go a couple higher but with all the sicknesses that are out there now we're typically a lot lower um so you know we have a lot of flu young kids get sick all the time by the way when the child's out our staff is out at the same time so it's kind of fluctuates up and down depending Summers we seem to have a higher um number of kids flu season we start dropping so it's kind of follows a typical School District when it comes to you know capacity within the school so the parking that You' have that you're seeking tonight is absolutely needed for all these different things that you mentioned absolutely we we're jamming so we need the space let's transition over to the playground facility M I'm going to show you a document and I believe this was submitted already the board members should already have this pet do a buch oftr I don't know if you guys have ever seen the material that they use it's this rubbery type material it is really cool I mean it is last we've had the one over now at Valley now for the last six seven years it looks brand new but it's it's all safety orientated a certain amount of ply to it to Ure that there's enough if some child Falls right they're not getting scratches on their knees and those type of things so it's all certified the actual playground um and it's when you're walk on it's got a sponge leg type Walk we're looking to do the same thing now over here the current one we have right now it's muddy the kids are getting dirty parents don't like that too much bring their child dirty so we're trying to kind of improve that area too plus some of the facilities we're looking to build you know the swing sets and things like that are going to be much more if we have the plastic to tight ones now tote ones now I think they're called and they're not really function and that's just a grass area right now yeah so I'm ask just go through really quickly go through the packet and uh tell the board what just Page by Page they have the same packet in front of them explain some of these uh labels and what they so basically we need by the way a lot of these things you're actually running Ava programs when they're actually using these facilities so for example taking turns is a very big function that most kids need to learn right working with a child with autism it's a little more difficult so going up and down the slides right we have kids lining up to take turns so they can learn the actual turn taking process right so it's just typical swing sets it has ladders it has things to climb on like any other playground does today um they're supported by a one-on-one most of these kids are pretty you know they're pretty they have good dexterity so we're not really concerned about any of those issues it's more about kind of teaching them to be like a typical child and in playground facilities where other kids are you want them participating in those particular facilities so it's anything that you typically see in the playground is what we're actually now you mentioned ABA just for the record that stands for what that's applied Behavior Analysis that that's the teaching science that we follow um and it's a Behavioral Science that's been around probably for about probably 5060 years now and it's the only proven thing right now that is supporting a child and youve indicated that the sword is part of that they'll have programming that's kind of based around any of the outdoor activities now I also see a symbol for Ada Americans with Disabilities Act what is why does this playground equipment Fuster a ad it that all does today any playground equipment that's going on a playground today is all Ada supported and required so take us to the next Pages um basically there's a climbing wall there's dual slides there's actually three slides um there's areas for them to to um manipulate wheels and Spinners on the top of it um you have stairs um so it's all basically typical playground type material so I don't know if you guys seen any of this but and then also you're going to have a swing set yep yep we have a swing set yes standard swing set like it's all has requirements that's kind of built around it so that it's all measured right so and that's all required but from Ada as well as um any sort of standards that they're requiring any playgrounds today uh Greg photographs were submitted with the applications up there yes did you take them yourself um some yes that one I did not that's an areial this will something regular photographs that were submitted were those taken by you yes okay and when you took them did they accurately portray what you were seeing as the photographer yes and accurately portray the site yes now at first of all does everyone of the board have this just want to make sure subed this is the are this one yep okay yeah so let's just go through that quickly just to why did we submit this and what does it show it's basically showing where the all the equipment is going to be on the actual um in the playround so if we have the drawing with the uh text up top and legible um itself is to the left yes and then playground equipment is kind of obvious and then below that straight line that's your swing that's your swing set y I have further questions Mr car I have none any questions from the board I just have one question oh I'm sorry unless somebody one question that was in my letter and just as as you're the owner have you thought about because it would eliminate all your variances have you thought about combining the Lots Yeah we actually did but then we don't we don't we can't predict the future so we would like to leave it open we have talks about putting in a preschool right somewhere down the road and I'd rather leave that open for the future so if I combine the Lots we might not be able to do that I got it okay thank you welome I have a question about playground and a parking lot is there anything uh separating the two to protect uh vehicles from entering the playground than no Ballard or anything like that um I mean I've been involved with a couple Child Care daycare kind of places and anytime there's cars and playgrounds there needs to be something protecting the possibility of a car question for Mr holl that's s design but seen it required by the state before do you is on your Valley Road s is parking lot off Park that as well there any protction on those is there a curve in between the I mean the parking lot ends and then it's kind of really old the microphone oh thanks I haven't been back there but I just thought it was not like this one seems like it's like right in the parking lot except it's just over there the other one I thought was kind of like just past it yeah the the current property as the full curv the existing property is just has old Madam on it from it used to be old tennis court few years ago the drive going up into it then there just us okay any other questions n okay Mr Hollows you're up Mr Hollow is your license as a professional civil engineer still in good standing it is have you testified before this board a few million mroll qualif deem him qualified US I do appreciate that this is what what's up here right now the drawing is is our area map it's the same drawing that you have give you an idea where this property is it's just off of Central Avenue on Elm Street um got GE Pharmacy and if you go up the street a little bit got this property and then adjacent that was the old Elm Street School have a center across the street are residentials there some two family and some single family and you've got the entrance to the parking lot for the church to the South is NJ Transit and to the east is Murphy office as to the school used to be yes we were there for a while and then 2008 build our business um this is a rendering but I think I I really well I'll go through these this is existing conditions then I'll go I'll step back to some of the drawings that we had for the original site plan subdivision that encompassed this original proper so let's Mar this is this dated today what October 10 2023 thank you this indicates the gray area is existing parking areas tennis court whatever out there um when the original work was done on the Elm Street School the entrance to this was step back this was an approved site at one time in the next drawing I'll show you that but the entrance was curved and paved to the the throat of the driveway there and then it led to the tennis court remainer what was the tennis courts Municipal Tennis Courts at that time and then this shaded area is um the existing play area that's used up there now you've got a hedge Road that's along Elm Street School it's a very thick hedge Ro and then you got some scattered trees right by that entrance of the driveway you've got some existing trees that are put in as part of the site plan approval and there should there's a clump of trees in the back south easterly corner and then along the railroad um there's some lawn and then it goes into brush and some scattered trees along the river before you go down the slope to the track area there a sidewalk that goes across the front of this property it goes across front over towards the street school and then there's a large loan area around it just to be clear Mr H the railroad itself is not right up against the oh no the railroad is not up against and there's a quite a drop probably 30 drop you got a single family residence adjacent to the property that was part of the subdivision or the site plan for the when dors enlarge their the pharmacy in the deli and then there's parking lot as part of that Pharmacy Deli project and then you see the back the rear end of the paring drawing this was not submitted this is going to be an exhibit us what it is this is a layout plan 2003 2004 site plan that was done for the Elm Street School and for adjacent property that was subdivided off the Elm Street School when we did the site plan for the El Street School um we had made a parking lot we had a lease from the railroad to expand parking to the ra the property and at the same time we subi the property got approval for an office building and we got approval for the parking lot and the reason why I say that this parking lot that we're proposing is basically the same parking lot that was approved in 2004 for the for the office in fact as part of the safe plan there's three light STS that have double lights on them because I was planning ahead to have lighting for this parking lot when the site plan was done the subdivision was done I just to show you that I think it's important I didn't mark it too I think it's important that you know that um we had this previous approval pretty much um Phil I'm sorry what was the date on that previous approval site plan or layout plan the original date was August 20th 2003 Revis to October 28 2004 October 2004 four okay we're proposing 24 parking stalls I think there's 23 here because we have two handicap and we don't really need hand really the only differ I just I think that's important for the board to know that what we're proposing is pretty much what was approved in 2004 it's just that rather than a office building here we're going to put a this place this would be A3 this is different from this is proposed so just for clarification the exhibit A1 is a colorized site plan of the existing conditions sheet two yeah okay sheet two sheet two and this was sheet two this is sheet three okay what we coloriz and I think I know that the the old drawing that I showed you before the 2004 drawing probably a little bit harder to see because Pho has changed and some of the borders wouldn't come out Darkly it would take a little manipulation to get it but again parking lot same configuration same drainage that was approved we just moved things around a little bit but it's in the same same location um we had done soil logs previous in the 2004 it's a fractured Shale in this area and I can tell you from my car experience we had dry Wells behind the school building and as part of maintenance program we would LIF those take the covers off and take a look in those dry Wells and there were always there's no water in there ever so we know that the perul will work here will work what is the parking lot material currently well this would be a n parking lot what's there now is remnant of a tennis court that around know there's some some as coming in and then tennis court and the proposed lot would be curved yes this parking lot will be curved there will be a fence around the area you know theight of that fence Tye of regular probably about what's the tip of like fouret there now VL yeah VL fence priv hedge or hge it's not a priv hedge it's it's 10t tall this hedge and then the trees will remain still have a one area concrete walkway that goes over to the center now and then we have a walkway that comes off the parking the driveway into the playr how would children be taken from the center building to the so um they be going through the front door so part of their learning process is not to be Crossing parking lots by the way so they'll always be on the curb side um and they're one-onone holding hands with the therapist um and it is actually part of their services that they're getting is so they won't be going across that parking l so they'll come out of the main building to the public side walk down and then and then up you just show us that it's the routine that happens today in the middle of the uh Center building there's a walkway that comes over to the driveway and you walk out along the edge of the driveway then down the sidewalk again up the driveway and then into the would it be the same procedure if they I dropped off they get dropped off they get escorted by a therapist into the school yeah okay we have that great roundout that's there now gotta they just drive right around and drop off and theist grabs you haven't seen building there's a circular driveway oh I see okay the drop and it's an in and an out driveway it's not not a two oh God my bad I thought you talk Park so Mr car I'll ask you then the the parking lot that issue in this application would not be used as part of pickups and drop offs unless perhaps the parent was staying for a training session yes yeah I see okay Mr H as you heard Mr G's question about safety whether six in face curve cve here I don't I Mr because I don't remember seeing playgrounds with Ballers but I I mean maybe it's only for daycare centers which is maybe different than you know the use of this school but um I I was just involved in it you know a couple years ago transaction they couldn't get their cosos or you know St State approval to operate until they had ballards and um they're they're all obviously different designs you don't need the kind that you know they have at the White House but you also don't need you know just a you know a 4 in thing you know New Jersey Barrier um I mean I so you're saying there is a curb yes there there so I didn't realize that and I don't know if that makes it okay cars won't hop a curb so and then you have a fence which is metal fence with uh steel poles and cement or is it just a vinyl fence it's a vinyl fence but with W the wooden Post Yeah so ground m i mean if it's not something that's required then you know great but you know want still prove I know it's not required but I will take it under revisement because yeah you know to see something pop the curve so I hate to I hate to see you know the board vote for it then something like that happens and it wasn't you know kind of put it but if it's not something we can put as a condition because it's not a thing then whatever you can you can you can well well yeah I was going to say my I was just about to suggest we could Mr Z you guys okay with that being a possible condition of approval it's required by an outside agency that you have to install ballards you would install ball of course it's required by an outside agency don't have choice I Mr Hollow for the record if it were to be required by an outside agency or even by the construction Department Is it feasible on this say for any reason we couldn't inst no okay but sorry my understanding is the board may want to require it even if it isn't a uh requirement from an outside agency is that what I is that what you were at saying uh if if we approve it and it doesn't have and it doesn't have it and we didn't require it then we no more risk than you are running your business for you know someone being upset that it wasn't required or you didn't do it so right I don't know I guess that's a question for you well if it's required then they have to do it and it's not required the question is if it's not required would you like to impose that as a condition anyway I don't want it to be a burden I mean it sounds like you think it's a good idea too so you're going to look at it yeah the only challenge is I will tell you already we're $30,000 over budget because of the drainage piece so it took me six months longer to raise that's not existing those tanks aren't existing from when we didn't we didn't build anything there oh it was approved to be done that way but it was I wasn't quite sure I was like oh are these existing was not very conducive to building buildings at the time especially in office building which still isn't very conducive to that right it literally took nine months to raise the additional funding to pay for that piece so I don't know what it's going to cost to put you know or whatever so you know rather not do it if it's not required I think that's I would like to consider I do have funding I wouldn't mind making it work but if I don't have the money I just we nonprofit so it's not like took me a lot to get this piece I believe I heard that the curbing around the parking lot would be 6 in high is that correct is there any is there any benefit to go to 8 in yeah I think they have a problem with that because the cars are so low up front yeah I have a question too just looking at the lot the entrance off of elm you you drive south into the parking lot and then you would have to slow down to make a left turn to turn into a spot that's right up against the playground is that correct okay so it's not like you're driving in from Elm and at the very south end there is that's where the pl people have to stop and make a turn into a spot that's where yeah okay it's more if somebody hits the accelerator rather exactly yeah happened my office preventing that from happening cost effective maybe probably most likely a little bit more attractive or something like that a piece of Timber okay I sticking up yeah here's my like I guess concern but that needs to be addressed if if there's any addition Ballers for example they would count as impervious coverage Am I Wrong don't worry about they don't count NE neither of them oh okay then never mind I would think if stack you know if you got 10 ballards in there and they're all a couple square feet that would add up but it's just a okay all right well you know I'm thinking wider one but whatever if you tell me it doesn't count it doesn't count so forget what I could suggest of course I'm suggesting this I not discussing so this is just microphone possibility if theard were inclined thank you to condition approval based upon that and if it turned out to be cost prohibitive we would have the ability to come back and seek Rel that condition it's not and that doesn't mean I can't a year from now doing additional fundraising I didn't afford to do that too so I just right now I just know type on this project alone even the parking lot is probably 40 Grand more than we paid to do the same size parking lot five years ago oh because the C if the board were inclined toose that understanding that you could come back necessary would you be comfortable what and again I don't know the cost but what about putting Boulders Boulders yeah you know that are not there room there it's just a series of Boulders that might be less expensive but affect the same you know throw in the back of your truck and just the addition could be uh some method of preventing vehicle intrusion into the playground area subject to the approval of put it on me yeah put it on you put it on me comfortably in both the board and the township role because I'll be on the other side of this as it goes through permitting MH right that's fine so I could do final acceptance okay of whatever means works with the budget and you know appropriate mechanism to stop a car okay we accept conditional in those lines okay okay that's it than questions that somebody may have go through the I could I'll save the trouble on my report um you you already covered 31 with um testimony from both the owner and you as the engineer regarding the parking and the inter relationship between the the two buildings um 32 regarding the existing Landscaping 33 regarding access pedestrian routs uh 34 is factual 35 is factual for compliance and then 36 the soil reports are do satisfy currently um I appreciate the testimony regarding the maintenance of the existing drywells so we know that they they remain dry um during construction just standard procedure um with our permit in town that would contact my office as Township engineer um during excavation for those drywalls and then I'll come out prior to backfill and make sure that I don't see any other evidence of of water in in the pit uh and 41 is certification from Morris County Soil Conservation District I believe you've already submitted for or pending submission yeah because it's in your plans and we do have County approval basically no jurisdic from oh and County County planning board exemption correct yes I saw that um so you can skip over my letter I i' read it before so I tried to incorporate that into my comments done this once or twice here huh all right what you want to me to just go quickly through my letter and are you gonna do are you gonna should I ask you some planning questions all right okay well all right all right well now let me ask Mr Mr ttim yeah I know now all right well Mr Hollow um with regard to the the C variances which are the impervious coverage and also the fact that the structures are on a a different lot would you say um is this a C2 variance that it it's sort of a flexible SE that me yeah Mr you also LIC even though you don't like to do it are you a good standing tonight yes it'll it'll I'll make it I'll make it easy I will the board accept Mr Hollow as a professional planner I do we do for grudging yeah he's already he's all right okay so would you say that it's it's not so much a function of the the site the P you know practical difficulties it's just in this instance it would make sense it's a flexible C A C2 the benefits just just so you know when the approval we got the appr for office building and parking lot we had a lot coverage approval for 533 3% and right now we're this project at okay and so also or would you be satisfied that um the situation of of both the structures on a accessory structures on a different lot and also in the impervious coverage that it it it's not going to have substantial detriment to the neighborhood or or neighboring property properties I don't think anyone would even know that differ in this neighborhood okay and they function as one and that they wouldn't uh it wouldn't impair The Zone Zone plan the zoning ordinance or the master plan no okay um then just with regard to the use variants I think we can agree even though these are on a different lot um than the school the school is an inherently beneficial use for the municipal land use law these are accessory to an inherently benef IAL use I think we can say that these are also uh an inherently beneficial use would you corre would you agree yes I would agree okay so as an inherently beneficial use for D1 use variants the the seeka test applies so I'm just going to ask you a series of questions okay so um I think actually the applicant has um identified what the public interest is what's the public interest at stake would you agree with that yes okay and um what is are can are there any detrimental effects that's going to come if the board grants this variance to allowing the accessory uses on a separate lot uh than the principal use no not in this case not at all um and okay so then you would probably say that reducing the detrimental effect by posing reasonable conditions um perhaps maybe we could say that would you say that putting some sort of um barrier uh would yet to be determined between the parking area and the playground would in in some way be a condition that would lessen the detriment that you've already said there aren't any but anyway I understand nting de um okay so then um okay so essentially unbalanced you think the grant of the variance would C would not cause a substantial detriment to the public good not at all okay thank you very much thank you Liz Liz might have another job as a lawyer at some point it's cuz it's late no offence no it's late I'm sorry never too late never yeah no I meant it's late oh it's late in the evening oh I see help them get out of we have two and a half minutes let's get this done all right um open it up to the Public Public anybody all five okay closed questions and Mr acting chairman why don't we just um extend the meeting for 10 minutes uh 15 minutes is the board seat can I get a motion to extend the meeting moot 10 minutes yes okay second thank you in favor I okay car all right um I anything further Mr zi uh literally everything in my submission was just covered by the dialogue between Liz and Mr holl thank you very much so we thank you for staying with us this evening I think the UHS of this application obvious Community okay okay and I will summarize Mr chairman just give me one second okay this is an application seeking uh I'm sorry would you guys was site plan approval a part of this yes okay oh yeah major or uh minor minor okay minor site plan approval write this down so I don't forget it okay so first item they're seeking is a minor site plan approval the second is a D1 use variance to permit uh the principal uses uh that's the playground areas in the parking area on lot 14.01 where such uses are not permitted in the O Zone uh two bulk variances the first for accessory structures located on a different lot than the principal building that they are accessory to uh they're required to be on same lot as the principal use and uh here the applicant is proposing an expanded parking area and playgrounds on lot 14.01 that would be accessory to the principal building sluse on uh lot 14 right with the school okay and then the last one is just for uh lot coverage 40% is the permitted maximum here and the applicant is proposing 50.5% as far as conditions go I believe there were we really uh two or three depending how you want to slice it the first would be that the uh applicant shall propose and install further uh vehicle barrier features between the parking area and playground which would be subject to the review and approval of the board Township engineer and also the applicant would comply with items 3.6 and 4.1 in our board Engineers memo and I believe those were hold on let me go back to it uh 3.6 is the uh contacting the township Engineers office uh during construction to inspect the dryw well and then the other would just be the Morris County Soil Conservation District approv that you be Reed to get anyway so I believe that's it if I'm leaving anything out please let me know okay that's it and as this is a use variance uh we need five out of six to vote to approve in order for this to be approved on that note just an abundance of caution could we do a quick straw deliberation we'll do yeah we'll deliberate Gary would you like to start deliberation um sure I I think that you guys have uh been a great addition to the community and glad to see that you're um kind of officially kind of uh making this use that has kind of been happening uh verify with even safer materials and possibly safer uh barriers as you work that I appreciate you kind of being open to that suggestion you seem to kind of like yeah makes sense but um and who knows if the state requires it or not I guess that's going to be found out too and hopefully that still meets the budget so mostly I'm in favor of this application thank you uh Randy you want to go next I don't really have much to add beyond that I'm glad we um a formal way of saying that this is very project and I appreciate through the process and okay Mr clle clearly and inherently beneficial use and I hope in the future you grow even further thank youth uh I again um you know Echo the echo the sentiments of my fellow board members I think uh it's nice that you're building something that further promotes safety and also um you know is the backbone to to the project that you're that you're setting forth which is to uh you know promote participation in socialization I think it looks great and I wish you the best of luck and I would vote Yes on this getting into the positives and the negatives do we have to I'll do some um the impervious coverage is being Satisfied by the wells um the the adjacent properties not being linked together is a variance that we we're here to accept um the the benefit is the the access to additional safe Services Services you've been providing but now you can provide to the next level up um as for the lot coverage at 50.5% where it's previously been approved at 53% who a we to say the planning board was wrong um I am very much in favor of this and I wish you all the best of good luck I think you got your scub up thank you very much SP to okay now let's have a motion in a second can I get a motion so moved second approve with all the stipulated two conditions just mentioned what he said yes that's what I meant yeah I thought so I'm just just making sure IUS yes Mr Flatley yes Mr Watts yes Miss Collins yes Vice chairman grov yes motion carries thank you all very much thank you for staying up for this appreciate your time got thank you believe you a month sure enough do we have any other additional business good for you I got nothing like ways to pay for that rubber playground stuff stuff's expensive but it's cool any older new business been a long time com the agenda I have it somewhere I I don't think we have talk about this prob put one of my files yeah should we have a motion to adjourn AG new business there's nothing left on the agenda uh I don't have anything new business any old business any new business NOP okay can I can I get a motion to adjourn I'll make me sit in there she I already said the old can I get a motion to adjourn motion to second okay all in fav e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e for