##VIDEO ID:5XwEdFYRmVE## iset he's up the street get everybody okay let's begin August 13 Town Council budget Workshop August 13 2024 we now to order please stand for theed the United States of America and two repic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible and justice for all a moment of silence a council member danowski here council member manilia president council member Shore is currently not here but he is on the way we'll announce uh when he gets in vice mayor Herzog here mayor Kane present Town manager Ralia here there is no Town attorney today Public Works director Gant present um so Jeff you said this is no good it's a it looks like a portion that's that's the entire package of thanks thank you any additions or modifications to the agenda make a motion I have a motion to approve the agenda make a motion to approve the agenda as written second all in favor hearing none who is starting the presentation of the 2025 I have a pen here's three thank you she have got number one thank you it would be me but there but there's a request for public comment I don't know whether you sorry realize we had public comment please miss sui where's my where's my beacon who knew Cassie um excuse me for this record Robert the chambers Okay Go Cassie sui yeah anyil of you guys some of the supporting documents about the height ordinance and some of the information I had um I did reviewed all the meetings back in 2021 in April and May and then again in July when the ordinance was passed and in those meetings it never was the intention listening to what the conversation was to change the height of all the buildings in the town of lat roads the three stories that meeting was for the self storage unit and it was a special exemption waiver because of the definition of height um the code 2545 stated that we had a maximum height of 35 ft however when you go to the definition 10:15 it says quote provided any portion of the phth grade exceeding 10 ft mvgv which is a surveyor's chart the developer came in and said that's extremely confusing it means that the 35 ft doesn't measure until 10 ft which means the building would have been two stories so he was asking for a special exemption waiver Robert Shore as mayor specifically stated and he stated it several times and asked Jim this is only for this project and it said yes it was only for this project and they wanted you guys wanted to clean up because it was confusing to clean up the language so you made a suggestion to clean up the language but it was never explained to you at any of those meetings what cleaning up that language mean what taking out that quoted portion actually meant so in July you guys did an ordinance to clean up that language and I did send it to you you removed that portion provided any portion of the finished grade exceeding 10t nvg fusing portion which basically says that all buildings in the town of boat Groves can have a maximum height of 30 5 ft which is three stories so I'm here before you to urge you guys to take this up at the next meeting discuss it and either repeal it back to its original form or correct it and make it simple change the code where all buildings are maximum 2 feet which was what our original intention was using the 10 foot nvg excuse me may I may I ask a question of Staff where's our attorney where's the tvia attorney this is a meeting it's a budget meeting so in the uh I guess quest to keep our fees down they're not here okay that's funny so um because if they were here we could ask the question of why that did not come back as a special variant or exception for that one property well we can just for the record this is a budget work workshop that's a public comment about something that we can bring up in a future agenda when the attorney's here but it really is not something for us to be addressing from a public comment during a budget Workshop it has nothing to do with the budget okay I have a question sure so did our community conversations go to the Wayside because I believe they were at every meeting um that we had in the beginning went to the Wayside for workshops just on that public comment I did send to council the response that I gave to Miss Sushi about the code and the building height and when um Public Storage came in there was conditional use criteria that was changed um okay so again this is a budget work and I'm just simply telling you that I sent you all the same information that I provided to miss sui and her attorneys have a copy so I will have them put that in their report on September next agenda to explain why okay how it's not okay what language needs to be removed or put in or what they intend or what the intent of council September 3D thank you you're welcome yeah this is budget related I could Jolly well be confused but I always thought when we talked about fiscal year meaning item one says fiscal year 2025 we're not beginning fiscal year 25 we actually begin fiscal year 2024-25 and then fiscal year 25 starts in October of 20125 this is the fiscal year fiscal year 20 25 is sometimes referred to as fiscal year 2425 or 20242 um but we are currently in fiscal year 24 which begins on October 1st of 2023 and ends on September 30th 2024 fiscal year 25 which referred to here and you know is sometimes referred to as 2425 is uh beginning on October 1st of 2024 and it concludes on September 30th 2025 so we are discussing the budget that be that commences October 1st of 2024 of 2024 but it's called the 2025 budget well that's kind of misleading no but that's what it is that's the way it is the one that you approved last year was the 2024 one you know and again any business that operates on a fcal budget I mean it's just the way it is that's that's how fiscal budgets operate I guess I'm confused one because this is not my gig but two when I was going back through all of my other budget stuffs we have called it FY 23-24 so to me when we're calling it FY 2025 I'm thinking oh we're a year ahead but anyway all right clarification that may be a change in in formatting but it it means the same thing okay thank you any more public comments no more public comments any more Council comments before we get our presentation okay go Jeff okay um first of all I would like to uh apologize for the late delivery of this you didn't get it until uh The Weekend online um I know it was available uh only on Monday in a in a hard form um uh it is a group effort to get it to you and it is a group effort that uh gets it to you late um so I'm going to take responsibility because it was my responsibility project coordinator to to get this to you we are always endeavoring and continue to Endeavor to get information in a timely manner in order for us to put these documents together on the good side you don't have a decision to make tonight your decisions begin on September 3 and then on September 18th so in one respect uh you're it is timely because you've got three weeks to to review everything what we're going to try to do tonight uh is go over the entirety of the the budget on a gross number basis and we're going to focus on the CIP plan I think you've seen some of that before and then the Public Works uh area uh it's the Public Works area that we had previously identified as having a a deficit that we had projected that it was going to be about a $2.4 million budget it is a $ 2.43 million uh Budget on their side um funding at $200 uh for per acre raises about 1.8 million uh dollars uh we have balanced the budget at $250 per acre uh assessment three Mills and $450 on the solid waste the uh the deficit that we had earlier projected of about $600,000 is made up in that $50 increase in assessment that that raises about $375,000 and a transfer from the general fund back to uh Public Works Department of $221,000 so we have present we are presenting to you a balanced budget as I said with an adorm rate of three Ms uh $250 per acre road and drainage assessment and a $450 per unit Solid Waste assessment the general fund is balanced at $ 4.26 million that includes transfers to CIP of $569,000 and $221,000 to Road and drainage the road and drainage fund is balanced at $ 2.43 to million as I uh just described the capital Improvement plan uh has a $2.25 four million budget and the solid waste budget is at $720,000 the only money that is being taken from reserves in any of your various funds uh is $61,900 um to balance out the solid waste uh fund we do not propose supporting the solid waste fund with with any monies from the the general fund you all are going to be evaluating this you will give us Direction on all of these matters but this is the way uh we have proposed a balanced budget for you to to review in your uh in your back backup uh there are alternatives to fund it at its current level um we show some uh where the break even point is between raising millage and and uh um having these uh Road and dra Road and drainage fund remain at $200 um if you have any questions about that overall situation I'll be happy to to answer them otherwise I'm going to start going into the the CIP for you um the CIP for this year is found on page 17 of your of your vote okay and what I'm going to point out to you I I hand it out to you this document which is the final version of the current years's CIP uh that was recently approved you know with the the modifications um and has the the specific numbers associated with the actual bid that we received for the paving project that's this agenda this is that's this agenda and I'm GNA quickly go over what the yellow highlight is there those are four wait yes yes all right but this is not in here correct it it this is this is what I want you to to to look at because this is going to explain the source of $420,000 or as as we propose it is this in the um website um available to the public no uh not in that format this is for presentation purposes okay uh the road paving plan that was approved included uh West C West D Global Trail Carry Lane with respect to West D there is a continuing typo as to uh that location uh the work that is was actually proposed to be done and bid on is from um Southern to uh is it all the way up to collecting Canal Richard or is it just short of collecting Canal Rich West DN Tangerine Tangerine six Court I'm sorry um so those uh those four roads um we previously identified as being roads that we would not go forward with or recommend not going forward with for this year um Down Below in the road Rock plan is Road Rock associated with those four roads those numbers total $434,000 we are proposing that we not do these roads this year but they' be deferred until future years uh as Richard has previously explained they those roads have are attached to to fingers or tangents um and you'd still need to run a greater into that area and so he has recommended that we do not do these roads at this time with that in mind the reason I now go to H 17 the the road paving plan for next year consists of a South and collecting Canal from A to B uh in addition to what I refer to as the 2023 Gap roads um those little portions that were not completed in as part of the 2023 Paving plan on E North fulam West 25th and G West those are smaller segments obviously so the bulk of the the paving uh project for next year is the asth and um collecting Canal from A to B to fund well that work um is we had originally talked about you know getting that moving uh very quickly as the staff continue to evaluate the work that needs to be done out there they are uh there's a lot of trees and fencing that needs to be removed along a collecting Canal from A to B is relatively simple but when you get to a the road is not straight it veers um in and out they need to reconstruct uh good portions of the Canal bank so that it is a clear straight shot um so in conjunction with the the paving work what is proposed to do is to utilize all the Canal bank stabilization money that is in proposed in the upcoming budget of $200,000 plus carry over um what we haven't spent this year which we're anticipating to be about $100,000 perhaps even a little bit more and put that all forward uh towards the a-road paving Canal bank stabilization program uh so there is uh Road Rock associated with uh the uh collecting canal and ath they those are um the totals that we have for the road paving project if you want to entertain we'll entertain questions at any time that's convenient for you if you want to talk about one segment at a time we can do that um if you want me to continue going through the rest of the CIP I'll be happy to do that question yeah thank you madam chair I just want to get Council consensus on this new philosophy of not Paving these roads with finger roads back three four years ago we had the started the paving the vision was okay we pave enough roads where we won't need to own a greater we'll still um contract somebody once in a while whenever needed on certain roads certain times of the year but you know we'd save $150 $200,000 a year by not owning it and obviously spend some of that off at cost so that that was the thought with the finger roads was you could box blade the fingers but the common roads were getting significantly more traffic and U you know some of these roads there's I don't know 40 50 houses you know on maybe three or four fingers so all of them drive on the Main Road next to the canal but not all of them on the little fingers the dead end roads so um you know new director New Direction so I just want to get Council consensus that you want to move in that direction you want to cancel the paving contract that we bid out for these uh neighborhood roads um with the fingers and the idea was their neighborhood roads they we're going to pay the footprint that's there we're not going through rebuilding them straighten them it's like it's you know basically a single Lane Road that people are used to getting off the road for people to pass it's it's in the neighborhood that was kind of you know they wouldn't get striped so the the thought was they'll get paved we won't have to grade them you won't have the dust the dirt the noise the wear and tear the greater so that was the philosophy back then and we all bought into it we voted probably I think it was five V to to move forward in that direction so I just uh want to call the question and see you know what council's feeling is um because I know we've been talked about we' never actually said okay let's vote on you know removing these roads that we've already contracted not already contract already bid yeah they're they're part of well I guess we do have a contract but we can remove them at no penalty to so it's not a financial impact no but I I just want to get a a consensus on on that philosophy L lights on I know it is well thank you you're next and I didn't need the beacon so in fisol year 23 24 which is ending in a couple of weeks what roads are actually having pavement put on them and again I sorry sorry to be tedious about it but this is more of a a recap for me than anything yeah it's ruber 161st um the roads are East citrus from E to F 147th West 24th um or 24th off of e whatever road is it's east and west side which are two of the roads Casey that's 24th right yeah okay Casey um hold on 161st 147th 24th the West Side 24th the east side grber Casey and 161st or no I said 161st East citus okay so and there's and pending a contribution from the Assad Farm there Remains the possibility uh that nor and north from B to C will be done okay and at this point all the roads the seven roads that we've identif ified have been prepared rocked rolled um the base has been has been laid a foot wider than the actual Road width will be so that way once the road is paved instead of having a dirt weak dirt Edge to where the break the edges break off like they're doing on the current roads that have been paved over the years we'll actually have a base that'll extend a foot past the actual Road surface which will inhibit the road it'll it'll won't completely stop it but it will reduce the likelihood that the roads will The Edge Road edges will break as all the other roads are doing today that we're currently fixing okay that was helpful so if I'm hearing what Jeff is saying the roads that are highlighted in yellow do we consider those the main roads of the fingers that they support yes how do we handle the finger that we have now for grading do we grade it do we box blade it do we we grade it currently all the roads with the exception of a handful that was on the quarterly report from U two weeks ago um are all graded with the actual grader and what is our greater lease amount is um the greater is about $55,000 um next year uh in fiscal year 26 oh you're killing me 25 from October of 25 to uh September of 26 there is a buyout essentially of the the greater I believe it's about $123,000 in in staff's uh quick evaluation of that the greater at that point in time will have a value in excess of $123,000 so if at some point in time thereafter you get rid of the the greater uh the $123,000 is going to be more than offset by um what its value actually is so we definitely need the greater for for next year regardless of any proposal um it would be in that fiscal year 26 where you might have had a decision and that's where you've got a big payment coming forward um but the staff's valuation is that uh at that point in time it will be worth more than $123,000 so you're kind of buying Equity as it were and instead of giving it away and in lie of doing the yellow highlighted roads in 24-25 those would be supplemented with the the noted section of collecting canal and a South yeah these are these would not be done in this fiscal year 23 24 in 2425 um those funds would be utilized to support uh the 800 I mean I I did say 25 didn't I all right don't make it wor this October uh it would support the 81,000 I think it is that uh is to be expended on roadway Paving and and rocking most of that is for uh the a South and collecting Canal um portion uh and as noted in order to make that happen there's going to have to be a substantial amount of time effort and money spent in by staff and the focus of the Canal bank stabilization monies would go there um to get that uh roadway um ready for for Paving um again I think it my understanding is that there have been previous discussions prior to me being here so I've only heard this through here say that um because that can now It's a combination of it being wide enough and you have enough uh you have enough room to really improve that Canal bank and make that a a signature Road in sense and the last question is is our easement acceptance policy in place or are we still hammering on that um we will be working forward we will be um working to acquire the the easement some of the things that um there have been questions about which trees are going to be removed where uh what fencing is going to come down how's this going to impact uh my property um that's somewhat contingent upon us moving forward and deciding that we are going to realign that Canal bank um and get things surveyed out there so that we can give real clear direction to people people as to how they're impacted um so we're we're working on on getting that information and putting together a a meeting with all the the land owners so that they get consistent information there have been a number of people who have said hey I'm I'm willing to to do it and um we've got all the easements prepared at 25 feet um but those questions of where does it actually fall um that's something we want to have more clarity to before we um aggressively going after this thank you um so far as I know we have not heard from anybody that is negative towards the project that owns property um in that area so um we are in a deficit now within our town because directly because of the previous Paving project um unfortunately we had a public works director that did not PR prioritize our infrastructure our failing culverts and paved over failing culverts so this has cost us approximately $2 million in repairs it was approximately $1.5 Million last year for our Canal projects and now we have uh obviously more repairs to do and more culs and more tearing up of the pavement that's already been put down so I think that we need to follow the direction of our current public works department and who is trying to make this right again and bring us back into uh fiscal Financial solidness so I don't agree with um I'm a no for Mr Shore's question okay thank you all right um so here's what I have to say you're looking for confus so first of all long range plans are made to be adjusted um and there was a lot of promises made I heard them repeatedly during campaigns and from Council people over the last many years that all level one and level two roads would be paved so it just makes sense to me to step back from this to take a look at it I don't know who made the plan I don't know who's responsible for it but it makes sense to step back and say okay are all the level run level Run highest usage roads are they all paved no that's the first priority then the next priority is the level two roads then the next priority is the level three roads and we move on and we decide at what point we do that it also makes sense to me to follow staff's advice of well we're going to have to be overgrading in that area anyhow so that's not one to do I know D Road West D there's a plethora of issues there before that's ready to be paved so that just makes sense to come off um so I think that you're the the staff's plan is a good one you kind of take off some of these smaller would you been first of all fix these gaps which are ridiculous and a huge source of of complaint from for me at least I don't know if anybody else is getting the phone calls and emails that I am but these people are not happy um and and rightfully so you know that you know and many people feel and I'm not making a statement one way or the other but many people feel that the roads that roads and portions of roads that are not paved were done for political vendettas um and I think it's time for us to straighten up our act and uh do things in a very comprehensive transparent and logical way and uh to me the logical ways to go back and even though it wasn't my campaign promise but to fulfill the campaign promise that level one roads will get paved and get them paved um and then move on to level two roads and make sure that we have the easement in place I appreciate the fact that you're taking your time I know that the people on aad are chomping at the bits to get their Road paved um and there are some of the people that feel really slated by not having theirs done and not even having it on the horizon with previous councils so um I know that they're upset about that and I understand it because it's a level one road um so I appreciate the fact though that you're taking your time and making sure even though I get like daily weekly phone calls that you know because I passed some of them along to you of these people are ready to sign on the dotted line but I appreciate the fact that you're doing it with integrity and making sure that that there is no misunderstanding and that everything's in place before the easements are signed so I really do appreciate that Jeff um and so my consensus would be to follow Steph's recommendation and take the the smaller roads off and and move forward with the projects on the larger roads and then move forward next year maybe re-evaluate again and and look at what we do but um it's a living document a capital Improvement plan because as we know and also things come up as emergencies that then shift the focus of even what we might vote on here tonight for the capital Improvement plan I mean just something may come up a covert May Fail that we never anticipated and you know things happen a hurricane may come along and do more damage than we ever anticipated so um things happen so that's my consensus on that Marge I live on a road so I am going to recuse myself okay thank you yes sure yeah um The Gap roads are embarrassing but the Gap roads are the reason that we chose last year these roads that we have easements and have the ability to go in there and pave them so that was the entire reason we didn't do the level one road was because easements if if when you think about it all our issues with easements are all the level one roads because they're next to the canal trust me when I tell you the people at on aad are chomping at the bit to sign okay that the hold up is hav they signed because we gave Direction because they to get it signed and get it out to bid that's true before we came to these workshops so we had a hard number or at least a semi hard number to work with in the budget here we are months later yeah kind of the easement well it's a yes or no you're you either got them or you don't so you know where the Gap roads are you know a a obviously Hot Topic the reason they're there is because people didn't give easements and that was why we shifted to all these roads where we know we have the easement and that's what the list was com comprised of so um you know $434,000 is you know it's a hard number it's already been bid we know what it talk we budgeted for it last year I'm just say why don't we finish that plan and go forward with the rest of the this plan we we've got the 434,000 in there there is so much money in here that we're going to find later on I'm I'm opposed to it is a but we could take a vote on it if Gap no we're not to vote because a workshop right but we can consensus well the consensus is that we're opposed to it well the consensus is two to two well no Marge Mar can't do right Mar has only so two to two means we move forward with last year's plan can we have have an attorney opinion no I'm just going to ask a question um uh Council danowski I didn't hear you say one way or another which whether you supported or didn't support the removal you asked a bunch of very good questions about it I didn't hear you take a position I didn't thank you clarifying that thank you I'm just you know and and not to be contrite about the whole thing I need more information right now all we've done is this on the top of our financial Iceberg I want to see more you know I I don't necessarily agree with the numbers that were used to balance the budget you know again for me that's another Tink on the iceberg I want to hear more before I say uhhuh or uhuh to anything so thank you I just yeah no I just wanted to clarify the discussion up there from our perspective absolutely get direction absolutely I wouldn't want your job not for love their money right go ahead thank you la you're done yep so Jeff being that you are the only attorney in the room I think um Mar accused herself from speaking on her very own Road um my road happens to be in this plane okay but this plan is to speak of it in it the entirety so I believe she recused herself from speaking about a-road but I don't see why she couldn't vote on this consensus regarding the plan and regarding removing those other roads so you'll have to think about that because it's obviously going to come up to a we have a policy that allows us to vote on our Capital Improvement projects in things in lists any list comprised by staff Public Works attorney or financial people we are allowed to vote thank you so you can vote on yeah the discussion does even include Marge we're talking about these highlighted roads whether or not you want to remove with fingers whether you want to take them out to make money for other project at whole philosophy or or leave them in as previously planned so but you do what you're comfortable doing I'm not trying to convince you to do something you don't want to but the attorney's advice is that the attorney who here's advice is that you could State an opinion on removing them without it right okay so did you want to State an opinion or do you want to stay silent I I would remove them okay thank you I won't ever bring it up again that's all I had for was consensus you have something else to say no I just wanted to clarify that because I thought Marge was being stifled when she didn't have to be well Marge stifled herself but that's okay get SLA on oh yes very very smart March okay all right Jeff yeah press on all right um I'm gonna turn to page 18 and we're gonna go down a little ways uh to swes and culverts and there is a listing of $350,000 for swes catch basins and other control structures $225,000 for uh drainage um around southe and citrus tangerine and citrus another $25,000 $240,000 for miscellaneous covert emergency repairs and then there are three specific culture um culbert bridges that are called out um fulsome and 25th Street culbert I believe believe uh Bunny lanee and Cary Lane and F Road those expenditures total a million dollars those expenditures are largely um but not completely supported by the $750,000 of uh State appropriation money that you um have gotten or will be getting um for that so uh that's that's where sort of a general grouping um and those are the suggestions with respect to to that in addition we have uh pump house repairs and gate and gate repairs for a total of $35,000 we are also going to be uh looking at and um planning for scada and Telemetry that's currently programmed at 3 $300,000 in the next fiscal year which would be fiscal year 2526 um but I I did I did want to to mention that that that's how uh those things come together um we have uh $200,000 um allocated to Canal bank stabilization as indicated in the previous discussion that money is going to is proposed uh to go towards um the a Canal bank and the reestablishment of uh of that um and as I also indicated we do anticipate that there will be some carryover monies available um looking like it's going to be at least $100,000 this year out of the $25,000 that you had allocated for Canal bank stab ization um and so we proposed to advance all that money forward uh and utilize it on the a canal it is staff's opinion at this moment um that they probably will utilize all the money on that particular project um and there there may be uh some of that may be invested into tree removal and those kind of things um but we're looking at that as one big project and all of your Canal bank stabilization is going to go um towards that I don't think they're anticipating having the time or the money to do anything else for next year um the uh the other item uh we've got the trail system $20,000 uh that's allocated for the North Road Trail we been in there for 15 years and it hasn't been used what are we gonna do I can do with 20 grand I mean well I'll I'll refer that to make signs to Richard as to okay let's make signs let's use the $20,000 it's been in there for 15 years and do something to enhance our our recreational trail system I mean let's do something yeah it's restart the it's it's been sitting there yeah I mean the first thing we're going to do is address the signage um a lot of the signs around the town that were put up when the system was originally developed are starting to you know break down and unreadable so that's basically part of it and also just enhancing the surfaces so that way there's no you get rid of all the gullies and all that stuff so nobody personal horses or anything else trips falls or injures themselves okay but so my point is let's do something with it because that $20,000 has been sitting there for a long time absolutely are we still having the trail along grouper that we talked about yeah and what 60 first okay thank you sorry good so I agree with Anita um using that 20 grand maybe for uh safety signs horse Crossing just specifically for getting from one trail to the other I think you would get more signs out of that than Rock dirt you know whatever you want to put down on a Surface isn't going to go far so I agree maybe let's get with the ulc who I guess met yesterday um and uh let's see if we can come up with something simple horse Crossing there's a million of them in this state I mean let's copy somebody else's don't care we we've actually um Craig and I have actually started researching different signage we're going to have directional signage as well so if you have somebody who's visiting who doesn't know the area very well they know where the horse trails are where the Crossovers are to get from say North Road to B Road or C Road or D Road any of the other roads know where they're at in this in the town so like I said if there's somebody new and it's just out riding a horse whatever they know where they're at in the town and how to get from point A to point B so thank maps all that stuff so just over here I want to confirm that this is is a reversal of the position to put up the signs that say ride at your own risk oh that's State Statute but well okay okay and I have a second question as well um have you looked at all at the red gack um Trail signage because before they became dormant they did have a series of Trail signs so just this before you okay I'll I I'll find it right no no question about it I just didn't want to redo work that's been done I have one more question about the 20 grand thank you um I think that was specifically for North Road from Palm Beach County yes so can we use it for signs throughout Town find out yeah use it for something well 20,000 is even in signs isn't going to get you very far um so most of it will probably be spent anyway going where the Crossovers are or something yeah which is 40th correct okay thank you Robert Laur I don't know who was um monetary trivia that 20 used to be 40 about 10 years ago and half of it was P away on engineering so if they can be p away on engineering it can be used on signs with you 100% okay that's my point use it for something productive okay Robert all right $350,000 for swailes catch basins and other control structures what is that where how many do we have easements I believe there was a list in the quarterly report last month that showed all the catch Bas and swells that we're looking to replace we most of them most of them are from the 23 Paving project when Larry decided to put in culs across the road and never bothered to put the catch basins in and now people have huge holes in their front yards that's where most of that money is going yeah and and and I and I believe you that we have we have more need than than dollars we don't anticipate the $350,000 um resolving all the issues in town um but uh it's a it's a start on all right help me understand this statement Larry decided to put a covert across the road to pave it and now somebody has a hole yes every covert that I ever saw that got replaced was an existing Culvert no these are new C sale that was replaced with a new CT no he put in new culverts across the road and left opening there before correct we have one at North and is it North and E that like maybe yeah g there's one a g and like the the Hole In This Woman's yard is probably about the size of these three tables it's because over time her yard is washing now into this C now washing into our Canal so that's one how many do we have and I apologize for not remembering what was in the quarterly report but oh yeah there's probably on G alone there I think she's getting might I interrupt I'm having them make a copy and bring it to you it's $1.3 million of CTS that have to be addressed um that's the total amount including the catch Basin and installations on them um I believe that there were 46 there were 46 that were done in conjunction with um Mr Peter's Paving program of which um those do not have catch basins so um we would be putting catch basins with those where needed not with all of them and in addition I believe that there are a few of those as we were trying to get them permitted that we realized we needed to reposition them so they're all listed on there and it's a million 323 one of the things that I've asked Public Works to do um because you know Mr sh just like you I like a list and we have lists of the different projects that have to be done on the back side of that is a list of all the identified ditches that need to be restored so those two lists together are about a million half dollars we have been seeking and we're going into year three of our state Appropriations and they are generally for um control structures catch basins and culverts okay thank you awesome L I appreciate it Richard I just want to make sure that yeah we're lined up with easen yeah you know it's not a drain pipe that was corroded that we replaced now we think we got to put a catch Basin because we go around putting catch basins in you're going to back up the water on everybody's property right and that's not in my opinion the right thing to do we got a guy right now that's got a gas powerered pump running because he's got a catch Basin in it was all engineered I know a lot of a lot of those a lot of those pbert that were put in in last year's um project were put in with the idea there would eventually be catch basins in a Swale and drainage program um and do it prior to the the paving rather than after um you know and it was a funding issue um as much as anything else as to why it wasn't done at the same time but the idea was get them in the ground um pay over instead of pave and then rip up Paving to put in necessary drainage when everything alive from a fin fiscal standpoint thank you I know someone were put at a higher elevation to hold back water and quit draining everything right into the canal immediately and real quick on this these catch basing don't they have a wee pole that allows slow draining of the property on a lower elevation they're supposed to so okay just because I think a lot of them don't and I think it's causing problems sorry yeah but then the other thing we discovered in doing the surveying um surveying the the cat basing the ones that were identified that Larry put in prior to the paving specifically for capturing roadside water to put into the into the canals um some of the residents took it upon themselves to connect their private properties to our um so now we have to go back and we have to install catch basins because we're still responsible for the roadside water we now have to go in and remove the piping and have to configure not only the residence pipe but our own for the catch Basin to capture the water off the side of the road into the Swale that we created um to get our roadside water into our canals and not run it off into the private residents property man and then I had a I think Robert's not done yet question on um 75,000 to convert town hall to an EOC um I haven't gotten there yet but okay I'm happy are you bouncing around the one at the top t okobe 100,000 okay let's let back no just a moment please let's let phis ask her question on this point and then we can move to a different point I just want to make a point as to um Richard's last comment um it was Mr Peter's employees staff of this town that were offering to do that for side money so that needs to be clear and that is not okay okay thank you all right now we can talk about the next thing which is the replacement of the Public Works building I believe you wanted to talk about Robert or they're turning the town hall into the EOC or both because they're kind of since we've gone down let's let's go down there I just I thought you were done and then we'll go back up to the DPA all right thank you okay um the these are two things that we haven't talked uh much about um at at a public meeting we see the need eventually for the replacement of the Public Works building um it's an older structure that wasn't designed uh or for much for that for for that purpose uh it we believe it that it was an old theater that got moved uh moved there um and we think the Vintage is about 1930 as to the original construction um and I think it came into the district in like 50 or so um but that's the the exact story is is not the important thing it has it has served this community well continues to to serve the the community are we talking about the storage The Pavilion building are we talking about the main structure talk about both the Pavilion bu oh both okay we okay because it's been the Pavilion building that's been an ongoing B so but they're they're both in need of of replacement but we're not talking about replacing them next year what you have is $10,000 to um begin the the planning process the hope is um that we would eventually be able to solicit Grant monies um but one of the things you you have to have a plan not necessarily full architectural drawings or anything like that but when you're applying for these grants you have to tell them what you're going to do um and there has to be some substance behind it go see Gerwig we already paid him to do this the the woman back in the water Control District days we already had him come out he declared that the Pavilion building at least not the main building as not a safe structure that's was what Laura 27 or 18 yeah 2017 or 18 and he may have some drawings already I'm just saying you might want to consult with him because he may have gotten to that point I don't know but it may save us a couple of dollars if it's already exists but any um but this is not a lot of money that's being allocated it's a a start of a process and the real um reason for the the process is to try to get support so that we can viably make applications for um Grant monies that may or uh may not be out there um instead of just waiting for the hurricane to take it all away um help with the Demolition yes um and so you you'll see you'll see out there programed an estimate of $750,000 in a couple years that's intended once again to hopefully be uh funded by Grant monies but that's what that is seed money um the $75,000 um that we're referring to as conversion of uh of town hall to EOC right now in the event of a disaster the Public Works um building would be the the building that would be utilized um as our EOC uh this building is sturdier but it lacks uh a generator um and U Mr Gant can answer the questions about this but one of the starting points with the uh the question as to what size generator that you need is um to make sure that your AC is adequate um and appropriate for uh the building so we need to do an evaluation of that the AC units are getting older um they're due for replacement we don't want to um replace them with as is with the exist ing if the existing is not what would ultimately be supported so we want to have some planning involved in there plan for replacement of the AC um running uh gas into here and getting a generator capability that's what's encompassed within the $75,000 um Richard far better on the details than I am that's uh uh what I can tell you about what we are trying to accomplish uh that and it's basically to improve our situation in case of uh disaster and disaster mov okay fell us you were first I've been trying to argue this for a very long time this is the building that we should have our emergency resources this is the building that should have a emergency generator attached to it not only for the AC but also for our computers I mean you guys have lights go out and then you're in trouble all the time with these computers and this bu building this year they've had a lot of issues with the computers down and when apparently the computers go down the phones go down so I think this is a CBS building it's a newer building than anything we we have it's close to Southern Boulevard so if anybody needs to get in or out they can and uh I think it's a no-brainer so I'm on board with moving forward urgency B yeah thank you Laura why is Public Works are EOC I would Hazard to guess it's because it was here before they own this building but I mean that there's no Jenny plugs in the p there's a generator there there is a generator there's a generator there and that's the reason radio communication there's a generator there the radio there the repeaters are there we're actually in the process right now of buying new radios because I don't know what happened to the old radios uh but we do have a repeater it's been there actually since um cleat that was his name the guy before yoi Steve yoy um he actually got the original license for the repeater because apparently they used to have nextels here what's a repeater a repeater it allows the ability to use portable radios on an extended range it's what the Sheriff's Office use if you look at their the radios that carry on their side they're run through a repeater system so they can use handheld radios anywhere in the county we have a syst if you look at the back of Public Works you'll see the tower on the back that that big antenna that's on there is the repeater so it transmits at one frequency Rees the the radios receive at another so you can get extended range throughout the entire town so the ham no this is this is a we have a commercial license same thing with our skater we have a commercial license we just actually renewed them both they have their ham tower on there and actually I'm in the process of procuring equipment that will be owned by the town uh for that purpose and then we're also going to outfit this building um with not only amateur radio stuff but also I want to get a backup repeater for that repeater so in the event that that building the Pavilion when it comes down takes out the tower we don't lose the repeater we'll have a backup up in this building so out of curiosity if Town Council pulled a Barbara Eden and said take everything that's over at public works now today Tuesday at 7:05 pm and disconnect it and move it all over here is that realistic is that to be honest um the the repeater that they currently have in there probably needs to be replaced it looks like it's almost as old as I am um but I actually have if anything at minimum I have to replace the cabinet it's in because the entire bottom of the cabinet is gone um it it looks like it has not been maintained in since 2003 which is when they got the original license um so you know the existing system is not in the best shape I'm actually considered like I said my my first priority is to establish backup systems here um while they may not be as robust as the the 50-ft tower on the side of that public works you know the TNA might be just attached to the roof of the parit of the roof um it'll be something so as a backup um eventually the generators the whole other story you don't want that thing over here yeah okay got it for that yeah okay um and again what I'm trying to fish through here is that there is absolutely no doubt out that that Pavilion needs to be dealt with as does the building and all the important electronics and whatnot that you're talking about and my little brain is going is there any Band-Aid measure of getting a um one of those mobile building trailers who bring over here for at least one storm season so we can be prepared versus praying that things miss us or is that just throwing money straight out the window well the problem with the trailer is you have the same problem with the Pavilion it'll blow away too because it's got to be tied down it's got to be you know then you got it's yeah you don't want that but um you know we are looking right now to the possibility of either borrowing renting stealing whatever we need to do to get a a portable generator to use in the interum until we're able to purchase because in order to purchase a permanent generator for this building we need to get Florida Public Utilities gas off Southern Boulevard to here which shouldn't be that much because it's literally like right over there uh is where the line is so running the line to here isn't that big of a deal um setting that you know buying the procuring the generator and setting the generator it should not be that difficult of a process either they're readily available um you know we have agreements in place for to do the actual have the work actually done so it's not that daunting of a task and you know the 75,000 is a budgetary number so it may not even be that much to do it all so at the end of the day we may actually you know not even spend all that money all right I'm sorry that we took this sideways my bad all right I'm done thank you Robert yeah in the event of a hurricane I don't want anybody that works in town hall to be here and I don't think they're going to I want everybody in public works to come in and help clear the roads and get this town where we can move around not fair so well it's essential service I worked at Palm Beach County water utilities I went through Andrew and stuff and know who we mobilized in situations and we didn't mobilize our admin staff so that's I don't support making town hall and E if you need to put a little bit more money in public works to to make you feel more comfortable I support that the 10 grand for a um study and some drawings to go for Grants I support 100% because I think you're looking hopefully at the whole complex for that from a future master plan and I support that 100 % and and you know I would I would hope that would include a an awesome structure over there that that is the the Redundant and reliable building for our hurricane staff and and I don't have a or chart to see hurricane staff who shows up but uh I'm I'm guessing not a lot of people in this building are required we don't need uh a lot of those services our residents want to be able to drive on the roads they want their garbage pick picked up they want their trees cleared that's that's the priority after the hurricane not to come apply for a permit or go to a magistrate hearing for a code enforcement fine or I don't think that's that's not the goal right so the instant command system established by FEMA requires certain pillars which include Logistics purchasing public relations and other things the town clerk is not going to sit at Public Works the manager is not going to sit at public works as the as the Emergency Management director I have people specific people uh in specific positions the town clerk would be the one who would be the person that would communicate with the media with any interviews any stuff like that coordinate with Council on any issues any be taken care of immediately that would be her sole job the town manager would be the person who would you know everybody has specific jobs and it's literally all hands- on Deck including all the administrative staff in this building because you got Logistics you got purchasing you got all kinds of stuff so is there any validity to to the point that if we made this building more secure and more usable during a storm that residents who were perhaps removed from their homes and couldn't get to shelters could come here as well I mean we could use it as some kind of shelter at least temporary for people to get them out of Harm's Way I don't think the intent of creating saying it's the intent I said is there any validity to the fact that that could be a possib we would need to do an engineering study to see if this building is actually rated for that okay um the issue is so the idea and the idea of making my head yeah the idea of making this in EOC isn't to have people here during the storm it's for post storm activities FEMA has certain requirements you have daily activity reports you have all kinds of other reports and stuff that need to be done there is a lot of admin stuff that has to be done as part of emergency managements not just Public Works going out and clearing streets we'd still be using both facilities the equipment would still be accessible the problem would be is after a storm Public Works may not be there anymore okay are these impact windows or do we have shutters these okay thank you sorry um just to I would like to stop kicking this can down the road today also please um so just to be clear at the last hurricane we had I think may have been in 2019 2018 and it was we ended up with tropical storm winds and Jamie to come was here in the office working okay so um we need a a safe place for you guys to be as well and I don't think it's the building down there which I've been screaming about for 10 years needs to be torn down and replaced so can we take a consensus now to make this the EOC or anything right now right now we're we're workshopping the budget um we're hopefully demonstrating that there is Need for uh these type of of monies um the actual plan and and the implementation and the use of those $885,000 taking consensus it seems no no at every item I'm I'm I'm just I'm I'm saying what I'm hearing from my perspective is that there is consensus um for funding this need the only we don't have time to wait to build another building Public Works I understand The only discrepancy I think was Mr Shore suggesting uh that we should look back at the EOC being over there rather than here he did he didn't say no to to the m I don't think he I'm not sure he has a consensus I'm I'm just I'm just trying to I believe from the comments that I've heard right now um there is support for this level of funding for this building for moving forward and our plan get the staff's plan and recommendation is this building ultimately when we move forward with this and we bring you more concise um Quest associated with this budget and implementing this budget um there'll be decision points for you as to where to put generators in those kind of and obviously if we get a grant and we get a new building at Public Works then we could change it correct thank you march yeah um back in 070809 um when I went through the EOC um training programs and so forth the the big discussion for the town was to uh to bring in a um a a a trailer um that that is hardened for hurricanes and and that would be our EOC Center because we we didn't have at that point much more than a storage closet for a town hall or this we didn't have this building at that point I realize that that's what I'm saying you know and that's why they were talking bringing in a mobile unit and parking it down by the water Control District so that that's another option also okay moving along um the last uh element of the proposed plan is uh a applying for a TPA um grant for OKO okachobee traffic uh Comming um the $100,000 that we're proposing to allocate there once again is seed money to um bring forward planning um some engineering potentially um and lobbying to secure uh what will hopefully be a large uh a large Grant but once again when you go to the TPA you have to have a plan in place um that is specific uh that can move forward um elements that have been discussed but not finalized with respect to to that um include uh roundabout or roundabouts um and turning Lanes um still maintaining the um the two-lane nature of the the road but providing uh better traffic flow and access um onto and off of okobi um and so I don't want you to think that anything is going significant is going to be built with the $100,000 um those once again are uh planning and and lobbying funds um in order to secure uh the number or approximate the number that you see in the following year which is $5 million and sometimes you have to go through this a couple times and there's no guarantee that you would ever get the money but that's that's what that project is is for and those monies are are for that so so um what about the monies we've already spent on the same project the TPA Grant we had like four councils kept pushing that down the road and um so can you check and see what engineering what studying has already been applied to that because I do believe out of the 450 that we had to uh put in for that to get that 4.5 million um was already we had spent close to almost 2,000 so I think some of the studies have been done and the engineering had been done because we were at the final stage when it got murdered the intent would be to use as much of the information um as we could in developing uh the new proposal so thank you so if you could look into that maybe we don't have to spend a 100 Grand but if we do it's worthwhile project to keep people from continuing being maimed and killed on okachobee Boulevard and those are our residents Laura when you say planning and lobbying funds does that mean we've already talked about this with the Pitman group and Mr book or is this to go to an engineer firm and say gosh G whiz how do you think we can slow down traffic on Oobi because personally I think and and I'll let you I'll I'll give you space to answer um I don't want to see another engineering survey you know like Phyllis just said we already have reference material and the other thing I just want to lob out there is I think it was March 6th um you Francine and I did the telephone meeting with the county who basically said not using these words but basically said unless we consider raising the speed limit they pretty much have their finger in their ears for our needs so tell me tell me how we can get what we want and deal with that well love is we need to we need to figure out what we want um and I'm not sure my recollection of uh the discussion we had is that the exact same project is not necessarily what we want so there's going to be some modifications to that um the discussions we have had as to the lobbyist um we've been in discussions with the lobbyist that has connections with PPA uh we would use which lobbyist is that um Mary McNichols is who we've been talking to I'd prefer to see the if she would work in conjunction with our we would lob we would all the resources that we we have their book is already on board and would be helpful um but uh for this specific project um we have also discussed we haven't entered into a contract yet but we have discussed um with Miss McNichols to um work on it she's got familiari she apparently has very good contacts with TPA thank you Robert yeah um mentioned campaign promises earlier um I I don't support this $100,000 I think it's a waste of money um to to spend that kind of money on a lobbyist that um you know was successful before I'm not saying wouldn't be successful again but I think the outcome was not necessarily in the best interest of the Town um with that trail and that roundabout so I'm just kind of torn with you know do you start from square one and go to you know a planner an engineer and say what would you do you know if if you had this road through the middle of your town you know how would you approach you know any type of traffic calming you know be at street lights roundabout stop sign speed bumps flashing yellow lights I mean you know I just think this lobbyist that we had in the past was focused on one thing and did a great job I am not putting down their capability with Palm Beach County an amazing Palm Beach County lobbyist I I don't want to suggest that the entire $100,000 is going to the lobbyist but I think that's not the intent I think the scope should be defined before the lobbyist gets involved that makes sense you know by a planner or somebody that you know can just take a broad stroke overview and say okay Road in middle of town look at all the different parameters all the inputs outputs and come to us for suggestions I think that should be done before you ever talk about hiring a lobbyist and going to TPA or do or whoever you want to go to Grants for right the the concept has been that it's it's going to take a bit of a team approach um uh and and um for somebody to uh design something um with out input from the folks who will have to carry the ball um to TPA and and ins and outs of that process um we thought it was better to approach it from a a team concept um and get everybody on board moving forward obviously um the council uh will will be informed um and the reason that I can only talk about this and the Very broadest of of terms um is because we do need uh more detail and not necessarily exactly the same thing as we put forward I think the team effort was hugely successful before it it got us a $4.5 million Grant of which we only had to pay out $200,000 it was amazing the lobbyist did an extraordinary job not just a great one I heard a lot of talk a couple of months ago about how roundabouts were the thing so from this Podium when I was sitting out in the audience from this day as well I was sitting out in the audience so um I just think that we need to move forward with spending a little bit of money to see what we can do because I promise there's movements about to make a kachian into a super highway right through the middle of our town and if we want to protect our main street we have got to get something like this in place so while I don't like spending money on things like this I think that you know $100,000 to do a little research come up with a plan um put some feelers out and see how that plan might be implemented is a good idea protecting our main street is Paramount to me and when I met with Sarah Baxter I did mention that to her as well that was just to add on what um Anita has said um today I was looking at the pricing on okobi Boulevard and it's just amazing how in the past couple of months the prices had doubled so the asking prices on okobi Boulevard what do they know that I don't know because they're commercial prices so what do they know so I agree with Anita we need to do something with realistic with okobi Boulevard Robert yeah people can ask whatever they want is anybody buying it that's the question um my biggest concern with that roundabout was it was a four-lane roundabout you're coming off a four-lane road through R pom a four-lane round about coming into our Ro if there was something that focused on keeping okobe a two Lan roll Road you know I support that 100% but that was a big concern is okay and you know the County's already said we're going to forlane it whenever we want and I think us helping them pay for a forlane roundabout is is just uh I thought it was almost an admission of okay yeah this is the beginning of four lanes in our town and it's okay to continue it so yeah I just I just uh don't want to see history repeat itself um I I don't think uh the locations of the roundabout you know by the school are necessarily the best place if you're looking at traffic control you know you want to you want to slow people down at the very beginning of town or do you want to slow them down in the middle of town um and and then that you know Horse Trail next to okobi was you know I don't think something that would be utilized by very many people that close to the road so I just don't want to see that repeat itself that's why I don't support this thank you so I believe that the trail was uh to be taken out of the new plan and I don't remember that roundabout being for Lane because we were very absolutely adamant about okobi staying two lanes so I think there was a lot of misinformation going out um towards the final days of all right well let's not get too far off subject something we have to yeah let's let's let's not get too far off and into too many thought ched let's not get too far off okay it's just do you have a general feeling that we want to move forward with something that I think the consensus is okay well those are we just went over the components of the the capital plan um and the the total in the capital plan is um expenditures of $22.25 four million um the proposed funding for that uh Capital plan is $750,000 from the state Grant um $569,000 from the a transfer from the general fund that's not from general fund reserves that's from uh general fund revenues next year um gas tax funds of 100 where what page are you raing from page 19 I'm sorry about that I should have identified that apologize um $569,000 uh from the general fund $132,000 from the gas tax uh fund $383,000 from the ctax or the TA funds and that $420,000 um coming from a carryover of um of funds uh from the the reallocation of monies on those four roadways um so that funding uh matches up that's how we propose to to fund it um in addition to to that but as a part of the carry forward as I've indicated we would be proposing to carry forward um any leftover monies in the um Canal bank stabilization uh Capital plan from this 24 year to 25 um to support that uh stabilization so that's the that's the presentation on the um on the CIP um and as I said uh we can if you got any more questions we can go over them otherwise um I would propose for tonight to move forward um and discuss uh Public Works I do have one question go right ahead I know this is Crystal Ball um I believe there is going to be a referendum question countywide to continue the it's what the Lost tax local option sales tax so none of this budget includes that possibility correct it does not and the reason why it does not is because because it's imaginary money cuz it's not there yet right so it does include C tax monies of $383,000 in the coming fiscal year but the CeX does not end until December of 20 of the calendar year 2025 there is um a Roundtable panel group meeting at several different levels putting together some alternatives for the replacement of the ctax um I think that it's very generic and it at this point in time is too early to tell what it looks like it's going to be so I would say yes it's imaginary money and we don't have it in our future Capital plans so if the referendum vote passes to continue it we would have potential funds to deal within FY 25 into 20 26 yes into 26 okay but it would be it would be voted on probably in that year because it's not going to be voted on in this year so it wouldn't actually be collected until the following year so voted in March of 25 collected in 26 I don't know the voting timetable but let's just call it that's the earliest okay thank you could be that would be the earliest it could be later because you know they are talking about hiring someone to do a study of the whole County and every city oh yeah they're talking about doing a study to figure out who needs what and so on and so forth and how it should be structured Etc at nauseum at infinitum well if we looked into our crystal ball we are anticipating a gap we are anticipating a gap we're not sure of the length there a Gap okay or what's going to fill it yes yeah what comes after Gap a gap no money in the no loss funds in the loss funds in 26 not in not in fiscal year 25 next year next year's problem could be a big problem it's not a deficit because it's not budgeted yet yeah this year's money is coming it's not may not be it's future money that I was talking about way back but I'm still on the fact about that future monies that we have to consider about $380,000 a year that we won't have any longer point we have to consider that as a possibility there is a a potential for that and it's a realistic potential no what I hear through the gra Vine is that it's not gonna happen that we are it is going to keep going the but that again it's it's all subject to approval and all those kind of things but yeah um they and we you all have talked about this uh so many times before but I just I do want to reiterate that a lot of your Capital funding in the past years um was funded uh by onetime windfalls um right uh nobody is anticipating or or hoping for another arpa um that brought about $1.5 million was 1.7 uh million dollars into the into the town um and we are reliant for our Capital um investment on a lot of um Grant monies and that's why it's important to to reach out a lot of the a lot of the discussions that we had for future years we're talking about um Grant monies the gas tax uh will continue to be utilized on a first dollar basis I either to road maintenance or to Capital as appropriate under the um the statute um but there's not a big significant amount of guaranteed funding in the capital world in the in the future years um so we'll continue to to strive for that but uh right now um you you've utilized a be thankful for what you had and don't count on those kind right down to the last penny okay with all due respect to the overview of Public Works plan for fisc 2025 we already did this last week I mean I understand Richard wasn't here when we did it but this is pretty much the same stuff but okay what what what's in here is exactly the same I I uh okay we got something else going up on the screen okay so but what's in here is exactly the same okay before they start I'll I'll real quick go over their numbers with you um when we talk about public works or we talk about Roden Rod gr age where we talk about the the district um starts in R 105 uh it begins on page 55 of your um of your workbook um as I indicated earlier the funding that you see proposed um our revenues based on a $250 per acre assessment um that along with um monies from uh the the gas tax and uh a contribution of $221,000 from the general fund those are the significant contributors um to a budget that is funded at 2.43 2 million uh dollars um last year in the budget process if you'll recall on the last day um this this department had come in with uh seven um worker employees um a director an assistant uh director SLS superintendent um and um an administrative staff so there were 10 people uh in that department with and then on the last day of uh the budget last year you all created the canal crew to do Canal stabilization work that added uh three people um those people have done a lot of work um they have done some Canal restoration work um that's going to be more focused this year a lot of their efforts were uh devoted to reestablishing drainage and working on this road preparation which the staff had to do an awful lot of an awful lot of preparation in order for us to go forward with the the projects that we we have I'm not going to bore you with the r addtion of that I'm just going to the fact that at the end of last year or at the beginning of last year um the Personnel that had been allocated were uh 10 folks in the field um a overall superintendent uh of the um the crews that are in the the field um an administrative staff position um and a director so we're in 13 positions this budget that you see here um is uh 12 and a half uh people or 12 and a quarter I think it is it's a um it is nine folks uh in the field on a full-time basis Craig uh Richard Lexie uh that's your um upper tier staff uh and then um three uh two Crews of three folks one crew of two folks um and uh a greater and then a a halftime or a position of I think it's budgeted at 16 was it 16 or 20 hours 16 hours 16 hours um so slight reduction in the overall Staffing as to what was approved from last year and that's dependent on Zone one grading going away um as soon as a road and collecting Canal is built so um the the breakdown on uh on the expenses uh are shown on 5657 and 58 as indicated it it does balance with that funding that was previously identified I'm now Richard he always likes me to shut up but uh I'll turn it over to to him for his presentation it ain't his it's mine oh well then good I'll pay attention don't repeat anything from last week well no it's just what's in the book is exactly like I want do the same thing again what was what was last week was you know of say what we were going to do next year this is a little bit of showing what the money we've used this year that we've had that we've accomplished to show you everything what we're going to present for next year as well that we're going to try to keep going with the work all right so as you see we actually have all our staff right here we took a big group picture with all the machines and everything on it all right um as i' mentioned last week on the left is what one of our Canal Banks look like this is what it looks like now on the right we've cleared over three miles of actual Canal at we're at this now this is what majority of them look like that before and then Afters all right so I know we went over this a little bit last week or last one um so we are we have done these canals I mean these ditches as well we're put in in new pipes going across there's I think there's another one on here that I wanted to push to the next one to show you what what the um that's what we're pulling out of under our roads right now this is our problem that we're having of replacing CER pipes that came out in two pieces that's our biggest issue why we're shutting down roads where we have residents complaining the roads are completely closed because this what we're pulling out um as we went down 161st we replace pipes already down across the road as it is so we don't have to do this coming to Future roads that we're Paving all right um this is our fiscal year of last year's Paving that's what it it cost us at the 1,300,000 as the pay project for this year is the you know tenative on upon the completion of what roads we're going to the canal rtion crew right here this is what our crew has completed they have um you can see that the water is lower than what it was normally we dropped it down to about 14 um we're over a th along e with odm soding for us like um Jeff says we want to push the money that we have left and for next year to go to a so we can do this down a road get that road that Canal straight and actually have a full burm down the side of one of our roads that we actually have something there that we can completely say hey there's a 12 to 24 in burm going down this thing that we don't have to worry about they much nicer all right as everyone's ever seen this is our giant Australian pine that was right here that robt like to say was bigger in his truck over there so the town town has removed over 2,000 yards of tree removal through the whole town as our staff has um 90 Australians that's the big one that's the ESC we had to rent to remove a lot of these Australian pine stumps as we had another company come and drop all the trees for us this is what we had for for us to save money for us to rent the machine and we did it as our staff did I think it's a good point to make that next year your rentals and leases are going to drop because we're not renting a dump truck next year we're not renting a mini escavator next year we are all that is purchased this year with the sales of the auction offs everything auction off and contribute with you know the 20,000 on top just sh the ESAT so we're about 5050 paid to unpaid H yeah pretty close yeah well right now it's about 5050 but next year if we do a road yeah and collecting yep yeah me this doesn't include what we're Paving this year as well we'll add to the paid miles on top of that is exactly what we have right now the the rental in leases um was it three of three um this year it's proposed to go to 235 excuse me when is that Paving starting you keep saying this year in about two three weeks yeah okay thank you I understood it was starting in June or July so I was a little confused yes it was a lot more prep work than the normal prep work that was done in the past okay thank you you're welcome all right so as you see here this is the rock that we have added to our the fdot The Code 11 is the base Rock that we're putting down on our roads for the pavement the co the one and a half minus is all the rock that we are putting down on all our regular roads to fix all the big gigantic poth holes to fix all the wash out in the roads that we are currently still fixing a lot of roads that you've been neglected for a while it's it's costing us a little bit arm and leg to get it done but we're trying to fix them all as we you know with what we have right now all right so Fleet Maintenance right here this is all our trucks all our uh machines everything here as you see we did purchase this year the Ford Explorer the Ford excape the in green Aspen the Frank ladder dump truck and we'll be coming once we get it through will'll be the syy escavator right we have spent 880,000 in vehicle repairs this highly could have been prevented of previous year repairs if they were taken the reason the number is so big right now is we came in there was some trucks that weren't even running that we had to fix so we have all running Vehicles now yes major oil leas on a lot on one of our big trucks it giant puddles underneath it and they were still hey this is operational they'll go with it you know we parked them until we got them fixed it would serve us no purpose if it was blown up and it would cost us more money to fix if it was blown up all right our coverts and drainage these are the ones that we did last year the 24th 161 the 1823 B Road 11 Terrace and 12th Place North and F this is the exact job that we are looking for for this year coming up you know this I believe this year we're at now was the first year we did five culverts in one year major culverts we're projecting the same thing for next year as well as you see the list is bunny Lane folman 25th Carry Lane f Road and collecting Canal Road and West B Road and F road is g to go out on its own ITB yes yeah well F goes out on its own and then everything else goes out to be a one lump someday M where is that which one the top two look like regularly this or no you're talking about this or the all right so top left is our what is that that is e Ro street from the park yep and you see how there is a sign right there the reason I picked that there no dumping sign strictly right there put on it there all the time there's a new pile well we haven't seen one in this pile in this area Okay um they have got to the point that they're playing checkers around the town where they're dumping them what are they dumping what is that random stuff through households oh it's not like building materials garbage some some things we'll see is construction material a lot of it is just there tires well that's coming um that's coming you know I mean like the roll the carpet was just dumped it was laying in the middle of the road I had to push off the road and have our guys bring a machine to help us pick up where was that in the middle of B- Road on B South so I mean it was just oh it fell off a truck it probably fell off a truck just laying there you know hey so I mean this is just a handful of what we've removed these pictures I mean you see that that we thank you for removing it because in the past it just sat there and sat there and sat there as soon as we identify it we're immediately calling poal sending them pictures calling that now that Miss Lexi can go online and do the actual police report online so we can get it faster to Coastal so they can come Center grapple check to get it quick we get reimbursed from or they take it because there's a um a police report no they won't take it unless there's a police report of an illegal dump and who pays for that we yeah the town pays for it y but it gets built to us separately so we can track our illegal dumps and additionally the reason why we do the police report is if somebody's scamming us if you will we'll be able to see because it'll be the same address yeah and when they do the police report is anybody like trying saying somebody dumped it in front of my house onth that it was a large a large material of papers office papers from somebody's office they an entire storage unit yeah but B yeah and they couldn't find it and track it back to anything to who it belonged to it was just a lot of papers ready someone that on Dad and it was medical stuff and it was people Social Security numbers and things and I called the sheriff and they stayed there until until it all got taken away it it's sad yeah so is our our tires I'm used to seeing that yep um I know Miss Anita sees it a lot too they find that um North South Road very high productive dumping area same thing over on North North Road between about the b and a area and B and C they like that area as well so I mean this is us as you see this is on the top two pictures is one dumping that it took me three trips in my truck to run it back and forth there was that many tires down wow and there's no identifying anything on the tires no there there might have been some old names on them that they had tape on it we don't know where they came from the bottom left is all off of south sea oh and this is why it's important not to have the illegal automotive shops and the truck stops in in our town because they're this is what they're doing there's your tires before you go on did you want to talk about the camera program Richard at all because it's supposed to help us do you have that on another slide okay this probably a good time then it took a while but we're gonna get it well we contacted um so I contacted the sheriff's office they have it's called a real-time crime Center um I went and toward it spoke to their uh hups over there and they have two programs that they currently have one of them is you buy their cameras their equipment um and they they they install it and what have you and they are the only ones who can monitor it um it's a decent system problem is and they self ad it is it doesn't work at night um ironically ironically it was funny because while I'm standing in the realtime climb Center he's showing me this stuff he's like yeah like here's a one from bokei and here's the car coming around the corner it's a stolen vehicle we got the report it was stolen so he looked at the cameras and saw the car come around the corner and he hit the light pole with the car and when the light pole hit the light pole the light went out and now we couldn't see him and all you could see was a shadow running down the street and they just obviously they told the deputies they were Road Patrol you know follow the Shadow and they they were able to capture the guy but the second the street light went out the cameras the camera no longer work as they're not night vision cameras um the other program they're currently using which you've probably seen may or may not have seen because they're getting more popular it's a company called flock safety so flock safety provides uh LPR cameras which are License Plate Reader cameras they also provide live view cameras that are solar powered and they not only will we as the town have the the ability to view them they will connect with the with the Sheriff's Office realtime crime Center um I've already spoken to them I've got a proposal to to put F to put two cameras on okoi Boulevard and I don't know that you should they're not saying exactly right where they are he's saying a general location yeah I yeah but basically on each end of the Town control B well you can't miss them I mean these things stick out like a sore thumb um they're they're like they're they're ground mounted they sit on a pole it's about eight about 7even eight foot tall with then you can clearly see it's a camera I mean um but basically on each end of town there'll be two of them one for vehicles coming into town one for vehicles going out of town with also a live view camera that has pan tilt and zoom that we would also be able to control um the budgetary number they gave me for those six cameras it's a yearly lease basically is about almost $18,000 a year um for the first for the first year then this then because the because obviously there that includes installation fees it includes all their little fees monitoring well we monitor it and the Sher and the palom County Sheriff's Office realtime crime Center would have the ability to vied so we don't have to have somebody sitting in front of it no and the idea is that um because when I spoke to him I specifically asked those questions because I told him I said what would happen is is that you know we would get a call call that there's illegal dump um they would then we would then say okay well we know it wasn't there yesterday it's there now so we could go back to the video and watch the vehicles coming into town that have this stuff in it and their LPR cameras and this is all published record I mean you can Google it and find all this information so I'm not saying anything that's proprietary or that is top secret you know whatever um but it gives them it gives you the make the model the tag number everything of the vehicle when they and so what's interesting with their system with the way the system works with way flock Securities system works is every vehicle that comes into town it logs so it logs their tag number they making the model of the vehicle and then when you go back to look for the vehicle you have all that information and the idea the reason why we're are set up the way it's going to be set up is he'll have the ability to see the vehicles coming into the town and then seeing the vehicles being leaving the town empty so which will build a stronger case for the Sheriff's Office to be able to pursue for illegal dumping because you see a vehicle coming in you can see what's in the bed of the truck you find the items dumped on the side of the road you compare the items in the truck with the items on the side of the road see the vehicle leaving you know exactly when they came and when and you have the items that they dumped and you can compare with the items in the truck well say they're unfortunately living within our town so are you able to move some of these cameras no they're fixed so well we are looking we are looking at basically game cameras game cameras so that's that's the other part of our program is you have an issue like this right if we if we know that they're consistently dumping in a specific location what we would do is work with the property owners in that area and S you know have them sign an agreement that basically allows the town to enter their property install the camera maint and this would be something we would be doing in house and we have there's a company called uh Oscar that has cameras and they're actually we've been testing them at Public Works um they work pretty good um they're motion activated so we not only are they recorded when the motion goes by they also um alert when you alert you on your phone they saying hey somebody just TR triggered your your cameras so can I ask are most of those tires car and golf cart car tires cars cars trucks the bottom left is a lot of tractor tires back to trailer semi semi tires and what road did you find those on South Sea in front of the Horse Trail South Sea Road yes ma' yeah they pull right off a Southern Boulevard whip in there dump everything out and go oh on South South South South Sea right so the camera program both sides of it are included in the budget and when you go and you look in public works and you see the computer computer expenses and they're quite a bit higher this year it's because that and additionally when you look in the signs you're also going to see that that's significantly higher we mentioned that last week but that includes four flasher signs and also the fire station sign well I think 20 18K sound I was expecting a much higher number well the total amount that we have in computer services is more like 30 I think it's 30 yeah it's 30 because it's both sides of the program yes and in addition we do have the license agreement ready to go and we will not tell people um where those cameras are and um if anybody's watching this they can call Richard or me um and volunteer for placement and I have some volunteers already I think I have some volunteers including myself well we don't want to tell that it's you oh okay o00 let's move along okay hey there's your sides all right so we are talking we're going to put in you know the fire station sign we have to replace both of them on obviously we went over this last time there's one missing these are the horse crossing signs that is that is projected in our budget for next year that Miss Francine did mention that we're talking about you guys would like for horse Crossings on o Boulevard all right that would include striking to go on oob you have to put the big soot bars out there as well all right you know we oh I'm so sorry so we have installed a lot of signs to the town There's a lot still to go um we haven't got a full count on them there's just a ton that's why our budget is so much higher because we do have to repl a f out there your brand new sign at GR and D I think is all ready did you hit it I do you want us to pick up information um at the um uh Booth 47 and Booth 40 uh 62 have U radar sign and road safety sign like these yes ma'am that's fine yes please that be great we've also been looking at those to they the radar ones that amount to the existing poles that we have um they're like 3,000 $4,000 each they're solar power and so the on you see your speed what your current speed yeah because I mean if we actually put like he staying out there on O2 Boulevard there's plenty of times I've gone down that road and you don't notice you're going 40 4550 you put it out there it's projecting hey you're doing this speed guarantee people are going to go oh crap I gotta slow down you mean when you weren't at work though right when you weren't at work though yes ma'am before I worked here right yeah I see that in the capital is that r&m out of Public Works what's these the 70 grand the 70,000 signs in public yeah right and it's also in the 30,000 is also in fund 105 computers yeah I S that okay all right so this is our our emergency response Late Night Calls the one on the left top left that was our most recent Debbie that was a big old holly tree going across North Road right by uh B cars were going around it I happen to going out there to check another property and I'd seen this so I called one of our guys in to come help me cut it up to remove it out of the road the big one on the bottom that is High Park oh wow yep we got a late night call by High Park Australian call across the road that's at the at the swamp luckily High Park had another way to get out and this is why in our budget we're saying that for a special project for High Park is those Australian pines they're around the pond a big enough storm comes in is going to live like spaghetti out there yeah and all those people will be completely locked in it's going to take a little bit for us to get them all out of there and the idea is to get is to remove them and then replace them clean out the pondish it as a decent Pond and then reestablish native trees around that's owned by all the neighbors though going right into an easement uncorrect yeah there's an easement there do a park around well I mean that's well the idea is to you know I don't think the resident well you know what I mean I mean some place they could sit anticipate know not a public clean the whole place up and make it look nice and you know you put we put benches in there there's a million people but it is still private property you have to understand that as well so I get taking the trees out for safety and road safety well you're gonna have to we're going to have to do another neighborhood meeting and get everybody engaged and so on and so forth it's just a plan it's not the four properties right there yeah because it's kind of confusing because there's actually two easement on hi park there one easement is the road and then the other easement is the pond so the four owners well each quarter of that pond is it's a 200 foot radius easement all the way around that road supposed to be a circle yes like the tree that just fell on the residents would be more than happy for us to clear a bunch more of those we've already talked to the resident we talked to two of the residents out there and when we initially they're like you wanted what and then when we told them what we want they like oh yeah you can take that one out that do this here and let me know what you need we'll help you like they were gonna go do it themselves you know calm down I think it's important to note that we're working with fpnl I know that they've been a little slow over the years um but we are working with them and they are pledging that they're going to try to accelerate their tree trimming program because a lot of our problems are FPL trees and so actually done 16 we worked with them on 160 first to remove um the trees that kept catching on fire they've done a pretty good job there also add that is AT&T and Comcast on 11th Road for example um back the dim ages when they installed all their poles on 11th Trail they literally put it right smack in the Middle where the road supposed to be but also as swung is not picking up they like trim them and drop them we have already spoken with them and they said they went back thanks thank you because there are some residents that just don't have the ability to pick that up we' contacted them already immediately when so that is not supposed to happen they're supposed to they remove their own stuff yeah but we worked with Comcast and at like for example on 11th D um we just replace that cobbert when we place the cber we place the cber where it's supposed to be which is in the middle between the 60 foot easen and then but if you go if you look go down that road and look you'll see where everybody's been driving around this telephone this random telephone pole well we actually worked with AT&T theyve installed the new pole they Comcast has moved one of their cables they've got to move their ground box and move it back once it's done AT&T will move their stuff over to the new Pole and they're going to remove the two poles so we can realign the road on on 11 and what about e roo we're doing that you're getting there we're getting there as well we actually talked to the resident on the corner uh and we've talked to Parks because I mean even if you look at Southern Boulevard talk about nor e Road oh no I'm talking about well North e Road kind of has foam poles in it oh yeah oh no all the roads have Pham that's and we're again we're working with you we gota work the problem is is FPL buries their stuff now now we got to get AT&T and Comcast and if AT&T is no longer servicing then they need to remove their stuff of course they're not exactly thrilled to do that prospects of doing that but we are working with them to try to get them to remove there thank you I heard it just absolutely couldn not be done Bravo oh they're moving poles they we came out what was it this week said hey our po missing out of our yard we told REM one of the yard we came out we had one of the game cameras mounted to the old telephone pole in front of Public Works because we were testing it and then L was it yesterday the day yesterday yesterday I'm pulling out I look over at the trailer and I see the game camera laying in it I go why is that laying in the C look and the Pole's gone oh they didn't take the camera we're trying to get them to also because that's the other problem they replace poles and then leave the Old Poles and we're like no you need to get the old ho you need to get the garbage out of here so that's what work work like on also in Tangerine and West D where all those boxes AT&T boxes are they're also in the wrong spot so they're actually currently plan to remove and shift all that down so we can realign Tangerine reasonably straight okay anym is that it I was trying to keep this short last week last time I went for a while oh sorry that's it no and it's just our our contact information that's right there as normal that was as last time think you all know how to get a hold of yeah okay for all residents contact us as well perfect thank you so much gentlemen we going by on the budget line by line or you just doing a I mean is that part of what's supposed to happen tonight or we I mean I feel like we need some time to digest these I think uh um the in the intent the intent of these meetings because uh I think you've shared this before and I I know I'm lucky to be good for two hours um is to try to keep it at about a two hour meeting um we've provided you with a lot of uh information um the you know what tonight we're hopefully establishing a justification for uh the expenditures we can go over them on a line item um basis once you've had a time to digest the information and have uh have questions um you can contact us individually or we have a meeting next uh next Tuesday um to continue this process and move us forward so on the 20th you're requesting that we be prepared to go over these numbers line by line and and hash them out and talk about no only I will I will be perfectly happy if you rubber stamp it at 6m I'm certain you would but I'm certain it's not gonna happen if you like is looking that way if you'd like to make a little wager I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen I do want to say that Chris um provided us with the July 31st numbers and I think everybody has them as well the blue and white handout so as you're going through you can see where we are thus far in the year yeah I think that's it not blue I come all my stuff is different this one mine mine I want a blue one here have a blue I okay you guys can have blue ones I want a blue one good do you have a blue one I wrote on mine sorry do you have a blue one I want a blue one you have a blue one no I don't question's blue one I don't care I can look on my computer if he gets one I get one I don't one go I don't want it either oh for God's sakes ladies come on yes Robert yeah help me understand this change in employees because um so the greater is one the canal crew is three and then is it the mowing crew is three is that it mowing crew is three or two and a half mowing crew is gonna end up coming down to two and a half um it's going to go to two and a half and then once we get down to the a road being paid for next year when we get down the major roads and we see our our use on the big grer how much we're really going to be pushing on it that may be coming you know pushing the half that's that's that's in the future drainage crew is three also yes okay I just want it's drainage is Road and drainage okay I just want to understand because I like the part-time that's benefits are benefits are freaking horrendous I mean it's up to a lot but our salar they gone up significantly with a half less person so now is not the time to get into that I guess we'll explain that next time but I've seen significant salary increases throughout this budget and I want to ask my fellow Council we approved a 4.0 millage as the max um and you know part of that again philosophy is with more commercial the higher millage they pay more taxes versus increasing the per acre assessment doesn't hit them at all but it hits all our farms and all our five Acre Properties pretty hard so that was what we approved a 2504 Max how did we end up at 250 not even looking at four there's actually at the end of this presentation there's a bunch of different scenarios I mean I saw the number where so and actually recommending that we do the higher Mill so is that something we'll talk about next meting something we'll talk about if you look at if you look at page 60 um there's assessment versus millage Break Even comparison on on raising once once you have time to really analyze the impact you know abely which I agree with you I just want to make sure we're still open discuss agree with you we definitely want it to affect the commercial more than the residents that's absolutely 100% I agreed with you on something real quick um franchise fee we talked about going from 25 to 30 when can we do that is that a contractual thing it's actually an ordinance thing and just real quick it's an ordinance thing and we can bring it back and I also increased huler fees by 10,000 because we need to modify the franchise so that livestock haulers can do special waste collection and give us a franchise fee right now if you recall our attorney said we couldn't charge the permit registration for hauler so we need to modify both the commercial franchise and the holler franchise and we can do that in October any time we want with an ordinance we're not looking at Contract time no uhuh and the second thing I wanted to say to you is that um we did run we could have run all these numbers with different millages and different assessments but basically the break even of both of them is 365 if you go to 3.65 Ms and 200 dollars which is our current rate that gives you the break even um on millage you don't have to go to four to break even um and additionally and we can leave our assessment where it is and we can leave it where it is one thing I do want to say though lower well if we do well I do want to mention that okay if we lower the assessment um I would recommend against it not because I don't want people to have lower taxes I would recommend against it because we have so much deferred maintenance to do and we are basically using um like $400,000 transferred to the roads and drainage fund to keep the assessment low because we move gas taxes in there and I and you know we're at the 25% reserves there right now so that's why I would say don't lower that dangerous last year yeah so I I that's the reason why I recommend that but again it is the essence of council policy what the rates are going to be correct thank you okay can I have a motion to adjourn second all in favor I have comments questions so sorry I forgot about that part I was so eager to get out of here Laura has com all right here we go on Jour I think that's good we made a motion and seconded it Laura well you got to read the instructions in made the motion no you don't have to follow the instructions if the motion okay so withdraw the adjournment Laura has comments go ahead all right um this is kind of a broad comment but I'm just going to use page 55 56 and 57 in the book is there anyway that along with line item stuff can we get pie charts we have pie charts as soon as tonight is over you remember your old thing that we give out every year I just wanted to make it through tonight to see if we had any big changes but we have this thing already with pie charts and all that stuff for you all right because that was suggested by a resident and I think it's a brilliant idea because it's you know it's kind of cool to see oh my God all of these expenses there's seven categories some people aren't numbers they're more visual okay we have both though oh yeah absolutely both both are in the Pres get both right yeah and um black actually I'm sorry it's after it's after tomorrow night's meeting that we R all right last question comment statement and and this is a this is a protective thing so I hope it comes out correctly we don't have an official attorney here meaning we don't have somebody from tvia so Jeff do we put you terribly dangerously on the spot when we say we want a legal opinion or we want an attorney to weigh in because technically you are project coordinator band of many hat solver of many problems so that's that's how I look at it if there was a a dangerous contentious issue um with respect to to the mar sheet and any of you when it comes to ethics you all have to make your own own decisions um but the arguments that were presented by uh her fellow Council people I totally agreed with that's the way it has always been we are talking we were talking about in the context of first of all four roads which were not a being cut out of this year's um CIP um and then we were talking about the CIP overall um so you you have to be able to be able to I don't even mean all that detail I mean you personally are you allowed to opine I'm allowed to opine about anything okay I just want to put a little cherry on top of that if you don't you all are the ones that would be at risk if you listen that actually you're you're laughing but that's true because he's not technically the town attorney and so the legal opinion that would be incumbent upon us to consider is the town attorneys so I didn't had to say that all right thank you you're welcome well I just you're done yes time for your comments now well I wasn't going to originally but my question is so who's why is the attorney not here I didn't invite him we're trying to keep our attorney cost down we haven't T we haven't had the attorney at our budget meetings most of the time we just haven't you know unless there's something that is an implication we can have them here next week if you'd like I would not I don't think it's been really trying not to call not to have them attend meetings even with our committee meetings we're having them zoom in all right well I understand that but what we're trying to do and they hav't they haven't reviewed the the budget and they haven't had um so we would have to pay I wouldn't say zero input but pretty close to yeah no I don't want to pay them anymore than we've already paid them okay so um did you have any other CL in I do um uh well I'm going to say save them for regular meeting CU my oh the website so I'm looking forward to a new website and that is going to be in the budget so that's a budget thing and phones go with the website correct because do youall notice we have new phone answering system yes there's no pH that's very impersonal and um well we very robotic we're having Sandra record the messages I love that personalize we're changing the prompts we currently have four prompts we're going to have five the first prompt will be if you want a person boom so you never have to listen to the rest of it and we changed the music today to dream I think the name of it is dreams or something so you can be you know relaxed while you're waiting um so if you have any more comments on what you would like on the phone let us know we are trying to make sure that we answer it um you know and that it's rolling through the office to get answered I don't know if you guys noticed but um we are making a switch to part and you'll see that in the budget to part-time employees um right now we have some temps for a few folks that have left and we're um looking at combining some position to try to you know uh rebalance the work don't overload uh well yeah we're kind of overloaded right now but we're still trying to rebalance anyway okay Robert post and comments from you yes thank you madam chair um you know being at this for five years and doing what we could with the money we had you know the roads we paved we're all oim the first couple phases so we paved an existing footprint so to throw out you know how things were done terribly in the past as BS um that footprint had been there nine years before we paved it so um I understand there's different management different philosophies a lot of people come from Wellington over here now trying to make it look perfect you know like it does in Wellington because it's all planned you know we were a rural area that all of a sudden became a city and we're trying to make it work so very proud of the roads that we paved and everybody has benefited property values of skyrocketed you know no more dust noise um damage you know health issues so really really proud that excited in a couple weeks to see the pay machine come in again um been driving me crazy watching a greater drive down these roads at ready to pay but that's just a a personal thing um obviously there was a plan five years ago you know and it was you know and I expressed it you know get rid of the greater uh eventually convert the prer assessment to a millage rate you know do those kinds of things over time um people change philosophies change and you know if I come up with something and it's archaic and it's not Council support just if we can just do like did I consensus it you know that way council's giving that direction on a consensus that's all I ask you know if I say no I don't support that at all and we can consensus in a workshop that that will shut me up you know but until I hear that majority Council Direction because staff works for Council we make the decisions not the other way around and I am completely 100% support these people we have great people it's just you know when you're working towards something you see that get derailed you kind of want to know how far is it coming off the tracks you know is it making a U-turn and now we're just spending every dime we can hell yeah there's deferred maintenance there's 40 Years of deferred maintenance 100 okay that was being nice you know but you know we've we've bid off what could we could afford without um you know seriously impacting the taxpayers keeping a flat rate um um I I'm excited if we are able to you know I never thought I'd be excited about increasing the millage rate but if it means saving residents and homesteaded people a little bit of money and Commercial pay a little bit more to offset that knowing that you know this year we got a few commercial projects coming on Southern next year we got a few more coming on and probably the next year at least one more if you know everything flows so um yeah please if if you know I just want to hear this Council give direction I don't want to hear staff hand us something and then we just say well this is great you know if there's some things in here that I don't agree with just say Robert we consensus boom 3 to2 four to one five shouldn't be 5-0 because I should be you know trying to support something that I think is the right thing for the town and the resident so thank you hi yeah I'm uh excited about going uh once again to um the league of cities um meeting and uh I hope to bring a lot of good ideas back to um to our town and uh you know um keep working for a better town Robert I don't believe for a second that you're not going to keep bringing things back that you don't get your way on I'm sorry I I've been watching you too long and I've been sitting up here too long with you but that's okay it's since who you are remind well Robert we did consensus that before but whatever um anyhow sorry I just had to say that um yeah Marge and I will be going to the league of cities conference I'll be going tomorrow uh to all the mayor's meetings starting at 12:00 tomorrow running through till 6:30 tomorrow evening I can't say I'm as excited about it as marges but um I am doing it I am doing it on behalf of the town and uh we'll Endeavor to bring back as much useful information as we can um Val is accompanying for us us as the staff there so uh maybe we can have at least one girl's dinner out or something and get to know each other a little bit better now um so I'm sorry don't aurn yet okay I'm going to let you say something hang on you're not on here to say something but I'm gonna let you if you want to okay I'm gonna I'm gonna make somebody mad I'm gonna clear up the public record and that is the O roads were supposed to be repaved and resiled after seven years they were not repaved and resealed after seven years from the minute that I got here the goal was to pave and fixed those 10 miles of oam roads and I believe very much that it was imperative to do the ojm roads and I think that we did the oam roads with the utmost care I personally was involved with interviewing seven different contractors and all of the contractors were of reputable um experience and time in Palm Beach County and well-known names um they were all off County um Palm Beach Gardens and other City contracts and we did full-on interviews and drive arounds with all of them you know and I feel it's important you know I always feel it's important on the public record we did have the base of the oim tested before we put the pavement down and you know the Athenian oath is to leave things better than you found it and we had to do something about those oim roads so I think that it was important enough to go on record to say it um and if I offended anybody I do apologize but I believe that um they are um the way that I think you know I think that they needed to be repaired and I think that they are better and um I just felt that needed to be on the record well I and I agree with you 100% they're better than they were except for North up a it should have been done when and you had a $2 million windfall to do that and it just didn't happen so it's easy to save the taxpayers money when you find two2 million in your backyard again you know so I don't want to cause an argument but I do want you to know staff is looking on how to do North Road not only from private contributions but also Indian Trails is it's bad it is bad and we want to do something to fix it so I just felt like I needed to say that on the record I got it better than it was doesn't mean that it was done properly I think that's the contention that people have and I think the big issue is that the infrastructure wasn't done but we're not going to get into a big I'm not I just want to make sure that I said they were safe and the second thing I am going to say and you again you can all be mad at me that is Staff doesn't vote staff brings stuff to council Council votes it's the essence of council policy making we do operations and stuff but we don't vote on what the direction is the council that's up to the council now so we answer questions and try to provide professional information and we give you our opinion but we don't vote and I love it when you come to a consensus because it's so much more comfortable for staff to do something on a consensus than you know trying to figure out which person we need to listen to because you're both right you're all right so thank you for letting me say those two things had to get him on the record because we try real hard to please and we can't always do that got it thank you thank you hey now can I have a motion to ajour yes thank you all thank you all very much Chris doesn't like to talk do that