okay I'm going to go ahead and start uh reading the script uh welcome to the lunberg Conservation Commission May 1st 2024 meeting uh in accordance with the requirements of the open meetings law please be advised that this meeting is being audio and video recorded the agenda list all of the topics which may be discussed at the meeting and those that are reasonably anticipated by the chair votes may be taken as a result of these discussions not all items listed May in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by the open meeting law please address all comments to the chair that would be me this meeting of the Conservation Commission will be held by Zoom at the meeting L link provided in this notice and for anybody joining um uh not by Zoom the meeting ID is 835 8358 226 um and I would encourage uh any callers to uh download the agenda and and actually click on the link there because it do does make it a lot easier and we will go to a roll call vote uh let me admit somebody here not a roll call vote just a roll call um Chris St Germain here Mike larouche present Jeff vivano present Rich bur do not see him in the lineup uh Jenny puer Bob Peas I do not yet see him in the line up very good so we are officially calling this meeting to order uh we will start out with uh public comments do we have any comments from members of the commission and if not uh we also have time here for public comment uh these comments would be limited to three minutes on a subject matter that is under the direct jurisdiction of the commission comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of the specific agenda item and uh please address all comments to the chair do we have any uh commentary from members of public and just as a reminder to everyone that the meeting protocol uh we will go through the meeting uh roughly in the order that we have it uh here in the uh in the agenda uh I will call on the applicants first uh Commissioners will make uh comments uh and then I will call on members of the public uh last and again all all commentary is to be addressed to me the chair and we will proceed uh with that fashion there are in the zoom uh in your Zoom window there are icons uh it's called react uh in the zoom window you can raise your hand and honestly if you can't find the hand icon if you raise any type of uh react icon I'll notice it and failing that if you just raise your hand in the video I will see you and I will call on you uh in your turn okay I do see that we have some meeting minutes uh to approve uh April 17th uh came in and was distributed I am looking for uh a motion to approve those so thank you Chris second second by Jeff thank you roll call vote Chris St Germain hi Mike larouche hi Jeff vivano I Jenny puer I and I from myself so we have approved those meeting minutes and uh for the purposes of uh commissioner attend attendance I did just admit uh Rich uh to our fine lineup thank you Rich all right um moving along uh Sophie have we had any requests for uh he ing continuations yes let me check my notes we have uh 390 Howard Street requested a continuance um to May 15 um the the other continuance is 171 Arbor Street and that is also contined to May 15th uh 141 Hemlock Drive is also continued to um let's see May 15th that is those are all the uh continuances that I'm aware of okay very good I'll go ahead and read those in so that we can uh get Conservation Commission uh votes to continue those hearings pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended in the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation by Kevin O'Brien at 390 Howard Street D number 208 1304 uh and as Sophie just said uh the applicant has requested a continuation to May 15 do I have a motion U by the Conservation Commission to um continue this to the 15th so moved thank you Rich second Mike thank you Mike uh roll call vote Jenny puer hi Rich Burch hi Jeff vivano hi Mike larouche hi Chris St Germaine hi and I for myself so uh 390 Howard streets continued to May 15 171 Arbor Street um pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Steve Powell for the construction of a single family and Associated site work at 171 Arbor Street D 208 1308 uh with a request for continuation to May 15th Thank you Rich second Mike thank you Mike roll call vote Jeff vivano hi Mike larouche hi Jenny puer hi Chris St Germaine hi Rich bur hi and I for myself okay 141 him loock drive pursue it to Mass General law 131 uh you know what just to close out on the other one it was unanimous approval to continue to May uh 15th um just want to make certain I punctuate that um and moving along uh pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended and the town of lunberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by Yan Willam for laying of naturalized Stone steps and crushed stone within the buffer zone of a wetland at 141 Hemlock Drive the applicant is requested a continuation to May 15th have a motion um to to continue on behalf of the Conservation Commission so moved thank you Chris second I'm gonna give that one to Jenny Mike that's fine yeah I roll call vote Jeff vivano hi Mike larouche hi Jenny puer hi Chris St Germain hi Rich Burch hi and I for myself so we have continued that uh 141 Hemlock Drive also to May uh 15 okay now we've handled the continuations we will move along to new public hearings pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of lunber wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing for a request for determination of applicability for the proposal of adding sand to the beach area and replenishing Stones along the shore at Lake Shirley uh it says Lake Shirley and that is a typo tickory Hills lake at 17 at I'm sorry at 19 Island Road uh do we have the applicant or the representative here tonight Doug water's here 80 horiz sorry 80 Horizon Island Road uh yeah I was going to point out that uh typo there not Lake Shirley Hickory Hills thank you for that and uh do you have uh did you actually um have your application uh online did you want to show that or were you expecting us to uh share that uh it does doesn't I don't have the like the WPA form itself I don't have that the other diagrams and uh things I do have I can share them if you like that would be helpful thank you I'm sorry is it 19 Highland or 80 Horizon uh sorry I live at 80 Horizon Island Road uh I repres I am representing so I should probably explain this so um Doug wat's not on the board directors for Hickory Hills uh Mike uh kulum is the landing resource uh chair and on the board of directors I am just following his Direction and presenting this today since he's on vacation okay thank you yep uh I am disabled for sharing okay I think I've got you enabled now Doug gotcha okay uh let's see what crazy maybe I should have closed half my screens hang on we don't want to know what your Mother's Day shopping list is or my wife's for that matter uh just rearranging there we go okay let's try this again that uh hopefully that's large enough for everyone so that looks pretty good okay uh and the pretty diagram to go along with it uh so this is the and you you can all see that correct yes diagram yes okay the yellow outline is roughly the uh Main Beach area we plan to add 25 to 30 um cubic yards of of sand uh to the existing Beach area there and the area is proximately 120 by 80 ft I know my drawing is not quite the size I probably should have labeled it as such uh but that's the area there there's picnic tables the little um Brown squares um a couple trees and the other area um we already do have a lake um uh Lake PL Lake management plan on file with you guys which is for erosion control there is along the um a little bit of a peninsula uh outcropping and there's already existing um Stones there um but as you know it rains every 24 hours now and it's been eroded behind that uh so we just want to add some more Stones behind there which is actually covered you know erosion control is actually covered under the Lake management plan but I just wanted to call it out in case knowing you guys would be down there one way or another and I know Bob P uses the area all the time so just to coverall basis is there uh that's the int of it is just to restore the main Beach area uh adding approximately an inch to two inches of sand to that area um and that's that's about it h oh and I suppose uh 10 we we'll keep 10 feet off of the high water mark they just put the last set of boards in today so wherever that winds up I'm sure that'll be filled in like less than a week but we'll keep it out out as best we can away from uh the waterline itself uh that's that's about the gist of it okay very good uh Doug I think um I think actually in the submitted documentation you pointed out that uh you already rake uh rake the sand out of the uh Lake as an ongoing maintenance um effort we do yes every year we do have uh Lake View comes in um and we uh M uh mud rake without going into to you know the bottom obviously just whatever Falls that year you get a little bit of sand with it as well so we do you know it's not like it's shallow over there um so we try and maintain that uh as well so we do rake it out every year so that there's not a whole lot of sand blown in there okay thank you and uh when uh Jenny and I had had the U opportunity to meet with you and walk the site this weekend we were walking with you I think you said the existing vegetation that's there along the beach area you were not planning to cover that up but just put the uh sand in the kind of existing sand area uh as as it were yes um basically like cow grass has grown over one side of it less used area we're just going to leave it there uh seems to hold it pretty well we always look for new ways instead of just throwing sand there because as you know sand blows around um but it is the best you know for bare feet and stuff like that uh we have over the course of time looked at other things maybe mulch maybe small stones or something but um we'll see whatever works better with the whole Hickory Hills board and stuff like that over the long course of time but currently at Sand okay very good um Sophie um have you completed a s sidewalk and did you have any recommendations for the commission um yes I I did a site walk uh last week and took some photos and uploaded those to Google Drive um I don't really have any uh concerns for the the project as it's proposed um I know that you uh the commission likes to know what kind of trees are around but I mean half the commission probably knows um what trees were there but if you wanted that information I could provide it couple Birches couple Oaks couple p a lot of Pines yeah I think that yeah sums it up and I think Doug you also confirmed that this um project you're not um planning to take down any trees or smother any roots or anything like that no okay okay thank you for that um I will uh do we have any questions or comments from members of the commission Madam chair yes Rich uh as I believe my brother does work for the beach area here I'm going to recuse myself from this uh RDA does Thank you Rich he does great work by the way thank you I will let him [Music] know well if I'm not seeing any questions uh or concerns then maybe I'm looking for a motion to approve with a uh finding of a uh negative determination uh this is Chris I move to approve with a finding of negative determination okay a uh motion by Chris and a second by Jenny and I'll will go for a uh a roll call vote um I will note that Bob uh Bob joined but he joined part way through so Bob for the purposes of this I'm not going to have you be a voting member uh we will certainly take advantage of your attendance uh for some of the later hearings uh okay roll call vote Chris hi Mike hi Jeff hi Jenny I and I for myself so uh there you go approved uh with what we call uh detect negative uh determination all right awesome thank you awesome all right I'm gonna stop sharing now thank you just kind of I thought I pinned Bob yeah he's here I saw him my thought I had pinned him if I could see all the Commissioners on my um on my pen screen it makes it easier for me to manage uh the roll call votes we will now move into continued public hearings pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by Dave catris for the removal of dead trees and the addition of an open deck within the buffer zone of a wetland at 189 Hemlock Drive do we have uh Mr catris uh or his uh representative here on the call I do see Mr catris David is here thank you so do you just want to catch us up on uh where where we are with your uh project sure um as you requested I got uh a formal tree guy to come over to take a look at the trees um I sent you or I should say I sent Sophia the documents um two letters and an updated diagram um and the tree guy basically said uh all of them should come down for his reasons of um where is the I just had it now it's gone that they're all either dead dying or going to be a uh potential Hazard for the house or for people um so his his recommendations is to take them all down um and then I talked to Lake View and we came up with a plan for um um replanting trees and Shrubbery to uh mitigate erosion and get the uh cover back up over the uh over the water again with some bigger trees do you have that plan uh that you could uh share or uh perhaps I can get one of my Commissioners to share that plan uh can Sophia possibly do it I do not have the uh ability Chris you said that uh you might be able to oh Sophia has it okay that's the first letter from Elite tree okay thank you okay that's uh that's pretty clear I think I was more um for me anyway kind of wanted to see the uh replanting plan one more there it is so the if you read um I believe it's Matt or Mark sorry if you read Mark's letter and stuff it explains why um we can't get as many trees in there as much as we as we want to um I was able to figure out one two three four five six seven within the 30 um because of all the stumps you want to keep in the ground you can't you have to have the new trees so far away from the other stumps and there's already some other stumps that have been uh cut down before whether it's from uh beavers or they fell down during storms and stuff so this was the best we could come up with uh within the 30 um the scribble marks around the open deck that's all the blueberry and Shrubbery that he was talking about to try to get those um yep all in there um yeah and I believe Mark uh he Mark has a red red oak and red APLE for truee replacement and then uh Mount Laurel High Bush and low Bush blueberries winterberries um and he unless there's something else you'd prefer instead we can we can U substitute it out and I assume that uh that's spelled out in the letter yes yeah yeah on the other side of that Freight logic I know it's not shown but there are a bunch of other trees already over there along the um the that near the between the road and the water and there's also trees along the um the Waterway already and everything okay and the X's are the trees to be removed that's correct if you see the double X's right next to each other it's basically one giant um stump with two trees coming out of it okay okay so uh 16 and the 30 foot uh I don't understand that it says times 16 in the 30 foot and then um time 10 over 30 does that mean outside of the 30 foot correct correct yes okay and outside of the 30 but presumably within the 50 the yes I believe the 5050 Mark is probably right around where that one little black dot is on the you know the hemlock Terrace wording that's probably about the 50 right there oh okay so almost all of the lot is oh that side you you actually have a culde saac in front and then him loock Terrace going beside the property right yeah okay okay I think I think I'm clear on that plan um do we have questions from other members of the commission Madam chair yes rich is this applicant's working with my brother at L your Landscaping I'm going to recuse myself from the sard thank you rich and uh Sophie while the uh Commissioners Gathering their thoughts uh what were your recommendations on on this property um well my original thoughts have changed um based on what the the professional has um brought to to light [Music] um I I do hesitate um on some of the removal um but I I would put Faith in the professional for that so I would U probably move forward with uh a positive uh determination and maybe the commission has some something that they would like to see um that could kind of counteract all the disease trade removal have some Healthy Growth okay so to be I think you're what you're saying is that you um you recommend a positive determination and so that we Channel this through the noi process um I'm not I'm not entirely sure I'm kind of 5050 um okay thank you Mike um I'll call on you you have your hand raised thank you yes Madam chair um I'm just curious of uh why Sophia has concerns or reservations uh if she can elaborate that would be great and also the person who's recommending all these trees to be cut is is this person an arborist or is he just the owner of a company that Cuts trees good questions Mike um Sophie well I guess we could probably get some clarification on that as well um while the applicant's here because I do see um landscape professional but I'm not sure what their background is um so that's kind of why I have the reservation of yes they're professional but um what to what extent uh have they hired this person um and what their background is and what their knowledge is for the the health of trees so I I'm not sure what they're what the extent of their knowledge is so their letter had doesn't uh claim um licensed arborus or anything of that [Music] sort I can share it again it's right here I can just share it boy or you could just tell us oops that's Lake View um and is Lake View uh who did the uh tree assessment it was Elite tree Madam chair I had both Elite tree and Lake View um come over do the walkth through um they both without knowing one from the other they both said the exact same thing that um you know most of them are visibly dead or dying and that the amount of that I'm going to be taken out for the dead and dying ones the ones that are going to be left over are going to probably um be a danger or a hazard with the um the lack of the surrounding um trees to to to to protect each other if you will they're both of them um separately said that they should all come down on the safe side replant and then like like he said um let's get some better stronger uh trees up there then and stuff that are in the way a lot of them are dead dying uh or like like I call them house Killers or the the sh killer if you will being right in front of it um if it's a couple more trees I can probably put a couple more up in the uh beyond the 30 maybe along uh along the side closer to the road maybe to help over there maybe that's the only I can think of for for placement without um yeah without getting all those other um trunk uh um Trunks and stuff stumps and stuff in the way I can probably do a few more over there maybe okay I'm so I did see that Mark bur uh joined um I don't know if he's walked the property if it's somebody else from his company that's walked the property Mark did you have any commentary about the health of the trees in question can can you hear me I can yes okay yeah I walked the property I agreed with the assessment from the tree company uh there were a few larger trees some struck by lightning uh all um all uh en cringing on the the house itself um it's tight over there it it's very tight um I the only thing with the plan is I might spread the low the under under story plants out a little bit more uh while the canopy uh reestablishes itself for the trees that we were putting in okay thank you Mark thanks for confirming that yep uh Jenny you had your hand up but it looks like your hand is down um I think my question got answered okay great Jeff I'll call on you next I was just wondering if any Commissioners had a chance to do a sidewalk I did uh with uh Mike and Jenny so I'd love to hear your opinion it's there are a lot of trees there um and the house is basically shoehorned into the trees and uh there was a lot that uh honestly with all that with all those crowded trees um I'm not surprised that there is some you know health issues um there there are a lot a lot and I I saw visible damage I didn't actually go through and count the ones with uh visible damage but there were a lot with visible damage um and you know they're very tall trees so almost all of them hover over a structure of some kind um Mike uh Jenny uh would you want to add anything Madam chair uh did we take some pictures to kind of share with everyone uh to give the sense of congestion of trees do have photos um I know I have photos mine are actually on my phone though so I don't have a convenient way of sharing do we have any photos in the uh in the share uh SharePoint Drive thank you Sophie for doing this yeah so that shows the beaver damage and and the um the one that Sophie has there that had caught the corner of the house is pretty representative of the crowding that is around you can see how dense the um trees are around the house Madam chair this is Corey da catris I just want to make one other comment um we've had roof damage because of Limbs falling from these trees as well um and I know we shared those photos with Sophie previously I don't know if she has pictures of that as well yeah I'm not surprised with the number of uh branches and trees that overhang the property do we have um do we have other questions from members of the commission Bob I can hear you but you're a little pingy but I can make out what you're saying that's that's because I'm driving in the car um I don't have any questions uh I don't see why we would do a positive um termination here uh I don't see that it's going to have an impact on the resource area and I'm not sure what uh jumping through additional what additional information we would get you know by making the applicant reapply you know with a different set of legal ads a different set of fees and a different um uh you know public hearing you know a buth or two from the back so u i I am uh definitely not in favor of a positive determination thank you thank you for that Bob and I'm uh I'm aligned with where you're at on that as well um yeah I think this is a matter of Tree Management um Chris you have your hand up yeah I just I the fact that two um two companies came with the came to the same conclusion um kind of weighs a little heavy heavy with me I I I I'm willing to I'm leaning to going forward with the recommendations and you protect the property um so thank you for that Chris uh Sophie um I just I just want to kind of retract my my previous statement um mostly based upon our our continued conversation about this and I I changed it to a recommendation of uh a negative RDA uh with the you know the removal with um the addition of plantings okay thank you for that Sophie um so uh is any do any of my Commissioners have a concern about uh a negative determination with condition of the replacement of trees and if so raise your hand make some gesture or I'm going to assume that you don't so then uh in my mind uh the next logical question is the uh quantity um that's being replaced and right now it's proposed uh seven within the 30 uh 24 under story as shown but spread out a little bit more per marks um articulation and I didn't actually capture in my notes how many were uh proposed for outside of the 30 and within the 50 um I think it was 10 uh if somebody could just reference that for me quickly yeah 10 over the 30 okay and that uh within the 30 doesn't seem to match our um our guidelines for within the 30 but again I would give precedence to the uh you know the health of the trees and not wanting the new trees to be grown in an overcrowded um area right so I want them to grow into uh healthy situation so I'm I'm also okay with that does anybody have a concern there or want to advocate in a different direction Mike you're off of mute did you have something to say yes I wanted did did we have the kind of trees that are being replaced in the plan we were told Red Oak and red maple um and the uh I understand that that's in the plan but uh for those of you that are actually able to look don't have to navigate facilitate hosting would you just check on that um it says I would recommend Red Oak or red maple for tree replacement for the underst story Mountain Laurel High Bush or low Bush blueberry and Winterberry okay so that's in the that's in the submitted uh documentation Mike so do we have an amount of trees viav uh bushes that are being put in 24 of the bushes and how many trains seven within the 30 10 between the 30 and the 50 um I might have been mistaken on the I was reading the removal it says I recommend insulation of approximately six trees as defined on the plan re-reviewed approximately an inch and a half caliper with the addition of 24 2 to three gallon understory native plant material um hey Chris why don't you share what you're seeing because I wrote down what was on the top of the diagram and that seems to be a little bit different I think we want to be really clear what we are um I'm reading off of this um of landscaping and irrigation Inc this is Dave's recommendation here so I think that is that what we're talking about Mark yeah Mark's recommendation yeah does that comply to our regulation in the amount of trees that are being removed and the amount of trees that are being planted I think uh Mike we we don't want to um cause the same crowding so I think there's going to be less replacement than we're removing because of the overcrowding that's the way I'm interpreting it and also you know uh we don't want to have the house have the same issue 10 years later with trees hovering over it so I think that I think it's a less I don't think think it's a I don't think it's a typical replacement due to the situation of the way the house is in a very tight lot there are trees Chris that uh can fit uh under canopies and that can do well in shaded spaces and I'm just wondering if the applicant has considered that or without overcrowding and endangering the property things like native dogwoods and whatnot that are underst story uh free correct we're open for oh we we went by um what lake View's uh idea was and such uh again we're open to substitutions and if you want a few more um over the 30 um we can I we we I work with lake view on that and we can put maybe another uh a couple more Red Oaks or Maples in or uh maybe some smaller like flowering trees type of thing um where maybe they won't get so big next near the house would that satisfy your concern it would satisfy it would satisfy me okay um and Mark um what are your thoughts on that um I mean Dave if it's okay with you since we have your expert here on the call maybe let's take advantage please so Madam chair I was looking primarily inside the 30 um I was upsizing some of that stock because your requirement for replacement uh the numbers are higher and I was trying to reduce the amount of impact to the soils in that area in general um I didn't really look outside the 30 um but again it's a the density it's the density of what is there is is very thick um uh I did review with uh with uh David about uh the possibility you might require some stuff outside the 30 um again uh if you're looking at the numbers I I I wouldn't go tree for tree uh he's planning on leaving the you know the majority of the stumps so it again it doesn't give for area to put much stock in so um off the cuff um I don't know David if you had any plans outside the 30 with the stumps where you were moving those or leaving them or grinding them or all the all the are gonna stay all the STS are gonna stay um I was thinking maybe closer to the um the axis Road of ter HL Terrace maybe couple over that way yeah um I think we can probably get probably throw a couple in over there I'm thinking yeah I mean we could definitely add um you know we didn't plan on any installation outside the 30 um actually let's um Chris if you could scroll down to the diagram that was provided we may have misunderstood uh what that had so at the top of that it has okay the majority of what I propose are most of the circles within the 30 foot buffer and I put two I have a Z2 over 30 feet um that was I was thinking ahead of myself but yeah basically if you scroll just a little bit more those two trees right near it says Hemlock there's two x's near Hemlock I was thinking right in between there I might be able to get two two more smaller trees in and maybe some more um some more of the um bushes maybe to go in between or something of that nature I obviously I'd have to defer to link view for their expertise I'm not a but M Madam chair uh Bob is that you it is me okay I I don't know how to raise my hand on a phone in my while driving in the cars talk Talking is is uh is just fine um I appreciate you uh being with even though you're commuting um I think it makes no sense to uh strictly follow our tree replacement regulations here I mean we have a situation where there were too many trees they are overcrowded uh creating unhealthy tree growth um you know I don't think we're uh doing uh the environment any favors by planting try to figure out where we could cramp some more trees in here uh to uh you know satisfy some numerical uh requirement you know that when it was crafted I believe you know was assuming that we we were replacing uh healthy tree grow um so uh I don't think we in my opinion as one member of the commission we should not be asking the applicant to figure out where we could cram in more trees here thank you madam chair thank you Bob thanks for that uh commentary um Jeff yeah thanks Madam chair I'm looking at near Maps here and from what everybody's saying it's real tight and there's a lot of trees crammed in there so I'm I'm I'm with Bob and Chris on this one I'm pretty happy with the re with the repl planings that they have scheduled right now so I am good to move forward okay thank you for that Jeff okay then um uh do we have any more questions it sounds like we're kind of drawing down to a close here um I would be open to motions at this point Madam chair I'd like to make a motion we improve uh with a negative determination uh at at with the replacement plan as presented second thank you Bob thank you Chris uh roll call vote uh Chris St Germain hi Mike larouche no Jeff vivano hi Jenny puer hi Bob peas hi and I for myself for a negative determination uh with the uh plan as presented thank you thank you everyone we will move along uh uh okay uh so uh next in our agenda was 290 Howard Street we've already closed that one um for anybody that may have joined uh after uh we'll move along to the next one pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Stephan mcweeney for the construction of a single family home and associated site work at 255 Sunny Hill Road D number 208 1320 uh do we have uh Mr mcweeney Andor his representative here on the call tonight uh John pfka here Mardi engineering presenting mcweeny thank you and I didn't catch your last name John uh it's uh pfka so it's yeah P FKA okay uh thank you um I I think uh where we were with this is we were kind of lunenberg was requesting third-party uh review uh on this um project is that consistent with your own understanding so uh it was my understanding that we were going to request thirdparty review for the Wetland delineation of the parcel there were some questions because you know wetland Flags had been changed a little bit and so we agreed to the third party review of the Wetland delineation only and after receipt of Gard engineering's uh proposal there seemed to be a lot of scope added to their their proposal and um not something we're exactly willing to agree to at this point and I just wondering we could what was added that you take an exception to well it was just it was an added cost and um it was a lot more than you know the applicant was expecting to to have I apologize I'm uh pulling it up now uh you know at the last meeting I think it was two meetings ago we were supposed to have the quotes from uh the third party review We just received it today and the total was you know $8,500 and you know within their quote it included Wetland delineation review Riverfront boundary determination Riverfront Wetland impacts and alternative analysis review replication area design review and compliance with Wetlands bylaws attendance to the hearing site walk with the commission so at this time you know we we're really only comfortable or we we only pre previously agreed to having that task one so um that's kind of our position and I'm I'm willing to talk more about it but that's uh that was our understanding we're a little you know caught off guard with their proposal Madam chair yes Bob um I'm sorry I'm driving down the uh driveway of the Woodland so I'll be on my computer probably in five or 10 minutes sure um uh here here's what happened uh we took and I sent uh the request for proposals uh to the three uh Engineers uh for Sophie because Sophie uh didn't have time to get to it um one engineer responded immediately that they weren't going to respond they were too busy or one Wetland scientist I should say Wetland scientist another Wetland scientist came back I think with Scott CER uh came back and said well what about all this other stuff oh would you like me to review this other stuff and I said can you please uh uh and I consulted with you at the time and uh we said sure why not and so I asked uh so I asked the two remaining uh Wetland scientists uh to quote uh you know the full list of stuff I said but please provide a separate court with just the wet's delineation because this other stuff has not been requested by the commission and uh you know has not been agreed to you know uh you know by the applicant and so now we have we actually have two quotes one from LEC and one from uh Scott gard and um uh Scott Goddard uh one um the Scott gard one uh he's sent a separate quote he sent what he sent a separate quote for 2, uh $500 just for the wetlands delineation and the other one just for the Wetland delineation it was 1,500 and uh I can share both of those with uh the commission uh when I'm on my computer in a little bit okay thank you Bob yeah thank you Bob I had not seen that um the secondary proposal Bob and mentioned I I apologize I'm kind of filling in here uh I I wasn't on the email chain earlier today so I just kind of forwarded it last minute and that wasn't included as part of the attachments that would provide to me but if if that's the case and there's a proposal that's solely for the Wetland delineation that would be acceptable it and one of the reasons I we we went for it is because uh when this application first came up there was no discussion of the Alternatives analysis and the Alternatives analysis must must have changed because uh from what the original uh because I haven't seen a New Alternatives analys because the original thing uh said there was a very little encroacher of the driveway onto the wetlands and since then you know the wetlands boundaries have changed significantly uh so that now you know replication is required and all that other stuff so um that's why we went for the further stuff yeah and I my own personal concern about that U particular parcel is was um the riverfront um the lineation uh because it appeared to me when I walked out there that uh and I didn't have the opportunity to go with uh the Wetland scientist from the applicant uh because that walk happened during the week um but uh yeah it appears that to me that there was actually current flowing across the dam up uh adjacent to the parcel which is not shown in the riverfront delineation and the original plan is submitted so when Scott uh brought those additional recommendations up they seemed relevant to the uh to the application okay um I'm not I I acknowledge that comment but it's um this is that's kind of new information to us at this time and uh you know we've had our Wetland scientists go back out there and to verify and she she's confident with her her uh delineation of the the riverfront so we don't see that as an issue in our mind um could I could we propose maybe that we agree to the portion of or the separate proposal that only [Music] delineates for the delineation of the Wetland only there you so that that would be our preferred route if we approve if we approve that and then um I guess we could coordinate another walk we just don't want to commit to to having another third party review on this right at this time for the the riverfront I'm not certain that the uh quote would be relevant uh I mean you we' probably have to go out for a second quote right to get them out on site again so um no if that's what you're saying that you want right to go down a peac mill path I I would say that for what Bob said a separate proposal was issued for the Wetland delineation only I haven't seen that one but task one of godard's whole proposal for his entire scope of services is the Wetland delineation so at this time I guess we would recommend or request that we could just agreed to task one of the proposal just the Wetland delineation y there you go and then we could regroup from there just because this is kind of this was thrown out as kind of last minute and we haven't had a chance to really discuss this with the applicant okay thank you for that uh commentary uh Chris I'll call on you oh we can't hear you you're still on mute that was my my understanding was just the initial um Wetlands delineation so I'm confused why um we are we're adding other things I mean last time I was part of this discussion that's what we're waiting on I mean I know Godard went and did a bunch of other things but I think that was outside of what we were expect what we had ask the applicant so um I want to know if any other um Commissioners um agree or disagree with that so I actually thought when we um when we agreed to this I've not been through many of these applications where we asked for a thirdparty review I thought that um a wetland and a river were inclusive and so I thought that the river delineation would be included with the Wetland delineation which may be my error right so when Scott came back and said well hey here are here are three other things that you know seem to be applicable but you're not asking for it I went oh well I thought we were asking for that so yes please do them uh so that's where my head was at uh for right or for wrong yeah if I may I just want to chime in you know but that's just that's not what we agreed to previously so we agreed to the the Wetland delineation and you know that's what we're willing to to commit [Music] to thank you John uh Sophie you have your hand up um I I wanted to say that it does sound like there might have been a miscommunication um in some way shape or form but I also do have the other um peer review uh letter if you would still like me to share I know Bob was going to but I do have it available oh yeah that would be uh helpful Rich while Sophie's uh calling that up I'll call on you yeah Madam chair I I do agree with Chris as far as um our intent was for the Wetland delineation the um the delineation of the River Front is pretty straightforward inad helping me yeah why I I think somebody might want to go on mute okay uh Rich back to you the Wetland delineation pretty straightforward from the bank in 100 feet and 200 feet for the two different reparan zones uh and honestly a movement a little either way is not going to affect uh the project in my opinion at this point because the majority of it is either right along or just inside the outer aaran or 200 foot zone so I I personally don't see a big need to have the riverfront itself red delineated uh my biggest concern was the Wetland delineation because their um expert went out once and did it and we called them on it of course they thought the first time they did it they did it correctly so then they went back and did it again and said oh here we go now it's right so that was my biggest reason for asking for the delineation from a third-party reviewer uh where they definitely got it got it wrong big time the first time so I didn't feel comfortable with them performing it again and taking their word for it so I'm in favor of the Wetland delineation but I don't think we need to proceed at this point with the riverfront again that's just my opinion but thank you rich thank you Mar Mary yeah Bob uh after listening to what Rich's uh comments I'm comfortable with just proceeding with the Wetland delineation uh when s when Sophie calls up the other quote you're going to see that the other quote I think was 1500 for just the Wetland delation and Scott card's uh executive assistant set a follow-up email saying that for just the Wetland delineation uh their price would be 2,500 it's not in the original quote but they did set a separate email uh which I printed to a PDF but I'm not able to share that right now okay thank you I'm going to mute now okay thank you okay then um I think uh I think we've heard from the applicant that they're willing to accept the uh Wetland uh delineation review um do we have any other comment around around that questions or comments around that and then I think uh for next steps uh Rich I'll lean on you just a little bit um because I think you've been through this a few more times than I have would uh I've then ask the commission uh for a vote on uh on accepting one of these quotes and a specific quote or what would we take as next steps uh you certainly can the um I believe the applicant has a say in which one make sure or at least that uh that they're not in uh a conflict with either one of the two uh Wetland Specialists that are going to provide the quote or the service thank you Rich uh and just just speaking on behalf of the applicant we're fine working with either consultant I just to be clear as long as it's for the Wetland delineation only that's the only thing we we're we're agreeing to perfect good okay thank you John and so then uh for the Commissioners do we need to review those quotes uh and compare them uh to determine which we want to accept or what what would we propose as the next steps Mary I don't know why we would ask I don't know that there's any both both of these firms are highly respected firms and I don't know why we would ask uh the applicant to pay $1,000 more for one firm over the other okay so then I think I'm looking for a motion to uh move forward with LEC which was 1500 so moved or the Wetland delineation only second so I got a a motion by Chris and a second by Rich Bur so we'll go for a uh a roll call vote uh Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny I don't think I can vote on this one ah you can't that's right thank you Chris I rich I Bob I and I for myself all right thank you very much appreciate your time guys so in terms of uh process Let's uh let's just make certain that we all leave this uh meeting clear I think the uh applicant uh would need to send uh the office a check for500 and then Sophie would put it in uh an account uh to hold uh until the work is complete is that what we would expect to happen maybe leaning on bot a rich for that part of it yes that was what would happen Okay thank you uh Sophie is that clear to you that makes sense yes and uh now that I have an assistant I can definitely delegate that task she's great so it should be done pretty quickly okay uh very good all right uh um and do did we get any timelines from these uh from these Consultants so do we have like a um an expectation of whether we could we should have the meeting scheduled for our next meeting of the 15th or whether it should be uh go to the following meeting if I may um yes I I think we would we'd like to continue to the next meeting in the event that we don't have anything back from the third party review we would just simply request a continuous continu to the next meeting but um we'd like to maintain a a spot on the next agenda okay thank you um so I think I'm looking for a motion to continue to May 15 so moved thank you rich have a second second thank you Jeff Roll Call vote on the continuation um Bob peas hi Rich bur hi Chris St Germain hi Michael rou hi Jeff vivano hi and I for myself perfect okay very good thank you John thank you and we'll coordinate getting that check to Sophie as soon as possible thank you okay moving along pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of lunberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing for a request for Amendment to the order of conditions for D file number 20831 Z by Matt Metrano for a new site improvements of a staircase reconstructed port expanded footprint reconstructed concrete walkway and masonry walkway within the buffer zone of a wetland on Lake Shirley at 386 Sunset Lane do we have uh Matt Metrano or his representative here tonight yes mad chair Ryan pro from Dillis moroy and Matt is with us as well very good uh Ryan uh do you want to catch us up on uh where where we are with this uh project I'd be happy to would it be a right if I shared my screen yes please okay so we have been before the commission on this project twice now um we met uh two weeks ago and there were a couple of uh plan changes that were requested by the commission um at the end of last week I submitted a revised site plan with a cover letter describing those changes um there were three plan changes the first of which was relative to the proposed spiral staircase in an effort to increase a setback between the lake and the staircase we've shifted it so it's going to be installed on the side of the existing deck we weren't able to get it completely outside of the 50 Foot but we were able to increase it um from its previous location in the front here to the side the second item which was a new item I had brought up at the last meeting was that the existing concrete patio underneath the deck the owner intends to replace that with peral pavers um so we that's an improvement over the condition there um however we did want to formalize that on the plan as requested by the commission so I added that to the revised site plan and lastly we reduced the footprint of the reconstructed walkway this will again be constructed with the same permeable pavers um the techco blocks that the owner intends to use the smallest percentage of open area in the prvious pavers is 4 and a half% so that's the proposed increase in in size and footprint of that walkway that we proposing and I did submit a catalog of those um permeable papers as well for your review those were the only changes since last meeting if there's any questions on any of that I'd be happy to take them I don't have any questions Ryan thank you I'll open floor to Conservation Commission question or comment Rich Bur uh Madam chair um he ran has uh done great work and has answered and alleviated all of the questions I had with so I am ready to move forward thank you thank you Rich do we have other questions or concerns from members of the commission okay I am not uh I am not seeing any um do we have uh questions or comments from members of the public and I'm not seeing any of those either okay um it looks like I'm looking for a motion to approve so moved thank you rich thank you Jeff Roll Call vote uh Bob pce hi Rich Burch hi Chris St Germaine hi Jenny puer hi Mike hi Jeff I and I for myself it's an approval with a standard ordered conditions with the plan as uh presented and uh recently amended okay thank you thank you very much okay our next uh our next two uh 171 Arbor Street has already been cleared through continuation requests um 141 Hemlock uh has also been cleared through continuation requests that we handled at the beginning of the meeting so we will uh move belong to administrative determinations uh extension requests and certificates of compliance request so we have a certificate of compliance request for 701r Reservoir Road Sophie you want to tell us what your recommendations were for that um this one should be approved while was done and there's no erosion issues and they plan on doing some nice Landscaping along the wall too do we have any questions or um comments by members of the commission and if uh if there are none then I'm looking for a motion motion to approve thank you Chris second second oh okay I heard Jeff I heard somebody before Jeff but um I didn't catch the voice so we'll go with Jeff as the second roll call vote Bob Peas I rich bur I Chris St Germaine hi Jenny puer hi Mike Lar I Jeff Viano oh I was just saying that was me with my Phantom voice oh okay thank thank you Mike yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you I for okay I for Mike and Jeff I okay so we approve uh 701r Reservoir Road uh 33 Johnson Street Sophie uh this one is a fairly older one um I would have would suggest approving this one as well the house and Gage uh or more built a plan thank you Sophie uh questions or comments by the commission looking for a motion if there no questions or comments motion to approve thank you Chris second Mike thank you Mike roll call vote Bob peas hi Rich bur hi CH St Germain hi Jenny puer hi Michael rou hi Jeff vivano I okay approved thank you oh I for myself 255 Prospect Street uh Sophie um so this one I everything was pretty much done to plan um there are some like uh I would say be spots um like bare soil looks like some seaing was done in that area so uh and it's pretty close to the water but um overall I don't think any erosion would would happen based off of the the topography there um so I would I would want to approve that uh certificate of compliance um however if the commission feels that vegetation should be present then perhaps they would want to hold off on that how big were those bear spots um I didn't take a measurement but uh just eyeballing it probably two of me so 17 by maybe either 12 to to 15 fet okay sizable yeah and it didn't appear that it was a lot of um good soil material for seeding um a lot of it was nutrient lacking soil with mixed mulch as well okay um sounds a little concerning um and I thought we had a member of the public with their hand raised but I actually don't see them now um it's like they dropped uh did we have questions or comments from Commissioners yeah can we can you clarify are we talking about erosion between the house and the the water I mean I'm not I'm not I'm not clear what we're talking about honestly um well there were there's just one one bare spot that somehow the grass got taken up on the if you're looking at the house it's the left side and it's um okay possibly closer to the water than it is to the road all right um I don't see any current erosion it's just not not established with vegetation and and what when when did you see this how recently um I did a site visit last either wed last Wednesday or Thursday so fairly recently oh yeah that yard's tiny is the yard much bigger than 12 by 15 feet um a little bit if I were to give a percentage of of that side of the house with that yard the plot that is not established might be I don't know maybe 10 actually not 10 um maybe 35% un not established Jenny you had your hand up so this is we went on a site walk for this one this is the one where they were redoing their driveway and putting a little wall up it's a very very small yard on that left hand and it is sloped toward the water so if it's around 17 feet it's probably I would say like maybe twoth thirds of the yard what do you think Sophie uh so the other portion that I just remembered is uh a little bit uh in between that area of um bare soil and the water's edge there's a rock in that odd Gap I don't know if anyone recalls there's um that Gap where it's the concrete of it's right in that area so there's there's an impervious barrier between the water and that bare spot and that bare concrete area takes up about maybe 8% 10% of the the rest of the yard too so but it is a very small yard um Matt grael you have your hand raised yeah how you doing I'm the owner of the house um so yeah yes there is there is a little bare spot that we playing just to put more top soil and more uh dirt and possibly even saw it um OBU just haven't had the uh time or the resources after doing all the other work and everything else let to get that done but uh uh again I don't think it's I would to call a 17 ft it's probably 12 by 10 Max and the yard is tiered um so there's definitely no erosion that goes towards the uh lake at all thank you Matt uh Sophie I did all all this talking I do have images to show that oh that' be great yes yeah because it's such a so hard to explain that [Music] area so this is a patch house is on the right side you can see the water's edge here this is that odd barrier between the the water's edge and then the lawn area here that also doesn't look like it's established vegetation is that am I understanding that photo right it it's not um I can't can't remember if it was vegetated at one point from my recollection I don't believe it was is this the area we're talking about this one this is the size of the issue it's not the previous picture correct uh this is the main picture I was talking about that there's there is seed but there's the soil is uh nutrient poor and half of it or at least portions of it seemed like it was Mulch and not not soil itself this was just last week and then the picture here is referencing just over this edge here okay thank you do we usually approve these when there's um we don't have established vegetation uh within the limit abort would seem unusual to me but I'm I'm looking for guidance okay Rich what are your thoughts uh we're right in a growing season um I would feel more comfortable if we held off on this one until it was uh vegetated or at least a serious attempt head been made and there was um some multe and things over the grass seed thank you excuse me Bob what are your thoughts yeah I think we should hold off okay um Jeff what are your thoughts yeah I'm with that that needs to be soiled and seated and probably mulched okay forward with this okay um now I just sampled uh because people were being shy about speaking up uh if anybody else wants to throw an opinion in there uh please do anybody wants to advocate in a different direction like to hear that too yeah Mike uh I concur with my fellow Commissioners it is growing season should happen very quickly I think the applicant did indicate that um he was going to do it so if this helps to uh get him to uh start you know I'm sure he'll get positive reinforcement very quickly uh with some something you know is a seed I'm not sure if he needs to saw everything uh I think some seed and and some I guess hay is that something that keeps the seed down uh it should help to germinate uh we're going to have one good day tomorrow of nice warm weather I can guarantee beyond that but um I concur with all the other discussion um thank you Mike okay thanks yeah uh Chris you came off of mute uh do you want to throw an opinion just no just the same I I yeah yeah okay so um and will the applicant need to reapply or is this just as simple as him calling Sophie back and saying hey it's all growing and established now can it be as simple as that yeah I would think it's as simple as I'm ready come take a look again okay so then um I uh what formal motion would I be looking for then is to uh not approve it uh right now for the applicant to call us back uh when in my in my humble opinion you don't need a motion we just go on to the next agenda item okay then that's perfect um that's what we'll do then uh thank you we will go on to the next agenda item uh 81 Maple Parkway uh Sophie yes um they came to the applicant came to us a while ago uh with some erosion issues um and it was requested that they put the uh correct the silt fencing because it collapsed and there was some sedimentation going into the Wetland that's been corrected there's now a double uh lining of silt fencing and the vegetation is established it's a lot better now so I would definitely approve that okay um do we have questions or comments from members of the commission do we have uh a motion on this one I move to approve second okay motion by Bob and a second by Chris roll call vote Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi Bob hi and I for myself thank you uh we will move along to 97 cross street say 97 cross street 208 oh the DP number is 208 D 1195 Sophie yep um so for nice and cross street um I would approve this they haven't um they haven't done any work uh other than put down the straw Waddles which are are quite old um we did have a a talk about replacing certain areas of the straw Waddles since they're they're deteriorated uh as we were stepping on them um but other than that I would just the straw Waddles need to stay if the area is established uh so this one I believe uh had to be closed so they can reopen um they submitted an noi that I was not able to get through uh so they have to close in order of conditions to open an noi because the time has okay okay so I'm sorry that's why that's there okay that it makes more sense to me now that that we would be approving it uh even though we needed yeah yeah yeah okay thank you for that um if there are no questions or comments I'm looking for a motion so moved thank you Rich second thank you Jeff Roll Call vote Bob maybe I did called Bob's name too fast hi Rich hi Chris hi Jenny hi Mike hi Jeff hi and I for myself to approve 97 cross street okay that gets us through the uh certificates of compliance we have a uh notice of project change for 441 towns and Harbor Road uh do we have that applicant uh on the call yep okay uh Ben uh just for the record state your name and address uh Nick Eaton 441 towns and Harbor Road okay uh do you want to uh summarize the changes uh in this application for us yeah I don't have the order I conditions are the plan right in front of me but I believe Sophie should have that so when this was originally done I was planning on taking I think it's like six or seven trees if you look I think you'd have to maximize that so it's all the way in the front where it says the you got to go up on the page so right in the corner where it says propos maple tree two of them leftand Corner yeah in the front where it says 441 towns in Harbor in the front left corner yeah you're saying front um sometimes that's how we're looking at it uh it's the left upper corner there yeah right now it's in the middle of the page yeah so there's there's probably like seven I don't know what type of trees but they're right there I was going to take those out and the proposal was to put two more Maples right there so I'm not going to take those out they're still there okay and are have you taken any trees out no no you've not you've not removed any trees as a part of this um proposal no no everything was there when everything is how it was the stumps I was told that I could I I didn't take the stumps out I did I did have them grinded down but there's all grass there oh okay so if you didn't take trees down why are there stumps that you were grinding those were just when I bought the house all the stumps were just there oh okay okay so pre-existing stumps yeah and then over near where the shed is there was proposed five blueberry bushes and I believe a maple tree so over in that specific Corner uh Jack from Dillis and Roy said there really isn't that much room over there to plant the five blueberry bushes so I was going to try to spread them out okay so I guess what I'm on here for is instead of two maple trees that I was going to I would do one maple tree and five blueberry bushes so over where the proposed blueberry bushes are that's I kind of went a little a different direction my oil tank used to be on the other side of the house and now I went with propane so they kind of need access to get to it which is where those blueberry bushes would be so I was going to take the blueberry bushes and put them over near the um were the other two maple trees over on that side okay and were the blueberry bushes um on your proposal as a uh replanting for uh uh the trees that were going to be removed or other uh under under story that was going to be removed it wasn't it wasn't for the trees it was um The Proposal was for the three maple trees and five blueberry bushes okay okay I I I don't have a problem with that um do other Commissioners want to ask uh questions okay I'm not seeing I'm not seeing that anybody wants to ask questions I think I'm looking for a motion here a motion to approve second okay who said second Richard blinked Richard okay thanks Rich okay uh thank you um roll call vote uh Mike I Jeff I Jenny H Chris hi Bob hi Rich hi and I for myself uh to approve uh that change as proposed I just have one question do they have to be blueberry bushes what would you propose instead Nick I I'm honestly I'm kind of open to suggestions I just I'd rather have some sort of other maybe if there's like a colorful Bush out there I mean I don't know what you guys would maybe Rich could give a suggestion oh I mean you can try clethra blueberry bushes actually aren't I mean they do have flowers in the spring and a nice red color in a fall okay the uh plethora spice bush is also quite lovely too um and Native so okay thank you thank you uh I think we'll move along then uh okay enforcement uh we had a uh topic uh to discuss the fines process us this is uh Bob uh did were you going to lead that I think you had had a conversation with our uh Town legal Bob is on mute Sophie refresh my memory is that uh was that topic sponsored by Bob or by you um originally I was supposed to attend that meeting with Bob um but I got caught up so he's he's the point person for that um that really was for uh Sophie's benefit I didn't think that Sophie had ever done uh fines before and so um I set up a meeting with the town attorney so we could you know talk us through the fine process um and uh uh so uh Sophie wasn't able to make it but uh there wasn't much to say you know she writes out the tickets um you know if she can't handle them they can be mailed and U and uh because I thought you know there was the possibility there was the potential that we could be issuing fines tonight for U uh some VI of a uh non-compliance uh with an noi Down On Fire Road 12 and that it would be good you know uh if uh you know we got some some advice on that uh you know for our new conservation administrator uh before we started such a process thank you for trying to get that coordinated Bob I appreciate it okay um if there's no uh nothing more in that discussion let's move along to the uh enforcement actions uh 141 uh Hemlock Drive uh I think we've already got a continuation on that one um has there been any uh progress or movement on 10 massav no I haven't heard anything from them I actually reached out to to ask if they needed help um and I haven't gotten anything when when you and I visited there which is over a month ago the applicant uh the applicant um I say with air quotes um the uh uh o occupant of that commercial um site said that they had done a submission have you seen a submission yet no uh I got well the submission wasn't to our department again it was to D so our department never got one so the last meeting that they were uh present for was discussed that they need to file uh connect with me and file uh correctly uh within 30 days I believe um and they they haven't reached out since okay so their 30 days that that was at the beginning of April their 30 days uh is almost up then yeah I'm recalling correctly so we'll we'll discuss that further at the next uh meeting 20 uh moving along 205 Sunset Lane you have any updates for us there um so this one was kind of complicated and and tricky I I had to go through all my files to kind of backtrack um and I was in communication with the the applicant they they were stating that um they had submitted an noi and the commission had um uh approved a order of conditions or and there hasn't been an order of conditions issued so they were waiting on that to in order to do any work um however I couldn't find an noi or an order of conditions I did only find the uh negative determination that was issued a couple years ago I believe um and that determination was um negative determination with uh contingent upon not having any permanent structures built uh stairs down um leading into the lake um so I was hoping that maybe the commission could clear things up for uh people that have been part of the commission prior to me with the 205 sunet Lane yeah they had a uh uh Mike you have your hand raised yes didn't theas um weren't they represented by Dillis and Roy at the last yes and that was in the fall which means they must have a copy of the plan that was submitted and that we looked at so I would think they would be a good resource to kind of catch Sophie up on what the latest was I'm sure they would be glad to share I'm looking at the plan right now okay you want to share that uh with us Chris [Music] yeah yeah and uh so they they had an RDA for doing a U project uh the project went out of scope um then as we were talking to them about the uh non-compliance issues they uh submitted that an noi that we uh deliberated all on in the fall I think it was probably September October kind of uh time frame uh when we uh came to a decision on the noi yeah this was um this was a fall this file was was timestamped in the fall um was that uh how did you find the the plan I went to Google Drive and I searched for 205 Sunset and I found I found uh this folder oh and you just have to blindly click around yeah and open things that's why nothing came yeah was labeled saw noi under this this folder was 205 Sunset and so I said September 28th and I saw noi so yeah I clicked on you know and I just got lucky I guess so and uh Sophie in the uh in the uh uh DocuSign uh archive there's not um there's not an OC issued for this no I well now I I question my searching skills but um I didn't see I did not see one it sounded like you were doing research on the neighboring lot because we wouldn't allow them to put stairs down we just allowed them to do a dock so that's the property that's just adjacent to it just south so I maybe it had the wrong address possibly but I think that gentleman lived in Shirley and didn't have a house in lunenberg and there was some issues with the building department and um yeah this there's also two names here there's a sunset beers and a sunset Welton for the same address so that's maybe that's yeah that's that's the gentleman that was that's the neighbor to this property uh so essentially this one they built that larger deck area that over that went over the lake that you saw in your document mhm and they were supposed to reduce the size and have it done during the draw down by March 15th okay I was down there a couple days ago and I hasn't been touched so no the uh applicant actually uh sent a couple of um rebuttal after the meeting to me and then also to the the uh chair of the select board about the decision as well uh ma Madam chair yes Bob uh in my mind was supposed to be done by March 15 at this point we should uh issue a notice of non non-compliance I think that's a uh excellent uh is that a motion Bob turn it into one yep I'll second it okay a motion by Bob uh to issue a notice of uh non-compliance and a second by is that Mike yes it was and Sophie you have your hand up yeah sorry to interrupt um I I couldn't find the orders of conditions issued for that um they said they never received the issued orders of conditions well that that's entirely possible given the amount of uh you know staff vacancies and everything we've had and the amount of turnover that a tragedy but that's entirely possible I think we should research that before we send him a notice of non-compliance yes that's that's why I wanted to to make sure that that was clear okay then um uh Sophie I think uh continue to research that and uh Bob I don't know if you have the Cycles to assist her with that but that would be uh useful I will also research that in my own uh inbox I really thought that had been we had done that by DocuSign I I thought we had too but I could be wrong I'm I'm gonna look in my DocuSign yeah through my doc sign emails and we'll uh we'll look at this again next meeting okay uh uh which one should we go to next uh Sophie um where do we have the next update 1168 Mass AB rear uh no update okay the 4 okay 4 Fire Road 12 they said they wouldn't attend they would not attend yep they were they were told um that there may be um um consequences however they they will attend this meeting so they they're not here and um what is the issue with this um property I believe this was the paving uh they paved on Town property um next to might have been a pond if you were facing the dead end it was the left side it's next to stump car Shirley yeah I just wanted to for the record be clear on what it was we were deliberating on and my understanding is they paved uh without uh permission on property that wasn't theirs and within um the 30f foot um and maybe some portion of the pavement is also within the 30 and the 50 Foot I haven't actually taken a measurement um device down there myself but I have there is that the issue at hand that's correct and in addition they did it appears as though they' been doing dumping uh within the 30 and they might have even done some filling within the 30 in into the resource area and um but but in my opinion what we should be doing here is issuing a notice not once once we find the uh email where um where we're sure that the where where the uh you know order of conditions was issued that um we should issue a notice of non-compliance because I mean if they they've gone this far it could easily be you know this going to end up in the litigation and we should be on a pretty Solid Ground yes um further to what I understand and uh and and and prior to my time is that they uh had filed an noi to remove the pavement and they had an order of conditions issued that that's what I oh we could research this by looking in in the in the database and there was an order of conditions I remember doing this now there is an order of conditions yes issued on this because I looked it up in the uh in the um noi database yeah so right now they're in uh non-compliance with their order of conditions true that and uh this is something that would also have ex uh expired uh even with the uh default covid extension well it's not that it's expired but I mean they haven't done what they said they would do um you know in the noi which what is remove the pavement don't we have to if they issue an noi um and we don't specify any other timeline don't they have until the expiration of the noi to execute uh on it I don't know that's a good question yeah if we didn't specify a be done by date than they have the life of the noi or the three years to do it that's unfortunate when when did when was it issued I'm I'm looking now when did you say the hearing was uh this is no that was the previous one at 205 Sunset Lane uh we're talking about uh 40 uh Fire Road 12 now fire Ro 12 yeah and I don't know when that one was done I thought when you uh mentioned it the other day Bob that it you said it was something like 2018 or 2019 or something like that here here let let me uh let me look at my their application was 59 2018 so normal expiration would have been uh 2021 uh no that was for a dock oh sorry maybe I missed some of this but so we're talking about the west side of their property towards the stump Cove Side areas but not but not their property across the road from their property so do they own that property no no oh so then so they paved it would noi even matter if it's not their property that's yeah what I what I understand Jeff and I'll I'll let people correct me if I'm wrong uh which I'm I'm happy for them to do is that uh they had encroached on Town property um they uh that by Paving um the town property there adjacent to stump Cove and across from their property and that uh once that uh came to light uh and it you know in addition there was a violation um on top of it because it was within the 30 and the 50 uh they then issued the uh or requested an noi to remedy the situation um and that's the noi that I think is not been uh executed on gotcha okay Sophie uh you have your hand up uh and you're still on mute thank you um not to backtrack too much but we're still on the enforcement area for 205 Sunset Lane I'm in the uh data portal and is not entered in the uh D data portal so it was not we know as far as it was not submitted that way the orders of conditions okay I think that's because it might have been an RDA if we're talking about if it was if it was an RDA only nois go through the portal I know that it was originally approved under an RDA and then they filed an noi and we might have said no to the noi and that you have to redo it so what was specified on the RDA uh no actually we approved the noi uh but constrained them to the the deadline square footage that they had uh asked for in the noi and then required receding of uh some areas uh that was supposed to happen in November and then uh required that they pull the um dock out of the resource area before the uh uh before April 1st first um and yeah those are kind of burned into my memory because those those specifically um those time limits were uh a concern to the applicant um they didn't understand why they had to do those things early when an noi is supposed to last for three years uh Madam chair if we could go back for a minute to Fire Road 12 yes I'll read an email that I sent to um uh uh you and Heather on uh March 7th that says hi Heather according to the D noi database Scott Benjamin and Thomas wolf filed an noi to remove the pavement in the buffer zone on Town lunenberg owner unknown land on June 8th 2021 the D number is 208-1233 the order of conditions was issued on July 26 2021 um the commission has pictures of the violations a plan Prayed by Dillis roid in the noi application form I have no evidence that the order of conditions was filed with the registry of deeds I'm unaware what follow-up occurred upon the issuance of the order of conditions so um and thank you for digging that out Bob I I thought you had done a complete uh review of it but I um was struggling to remember how you communicated that to me and um that's back in the bad old days when the commission had no access uh to the orders of conditions after they were issued so I mean I have no idea you know where in the world uh the order of conditions exists you know unless maybe the D has uh has it on file somewhere because um uh that's always been a defect that uh in in my mind in our our systems that you know we don't have anywhere a database uh that shows all of the uh orders of conditions and forms that you know that have been issued by the you know in the name of the commission so even without seeing those though just by that date did you say it was June 26 said it was issued or July 26 I said it was uh issued on July 26 2021 then that um would unless there was something else specified that those that order of condition is not expired until July 26 of 2024 this year right yeah and it could be that there's even tolling uh from covid uh that might extend it further although I I'm not sure of that but there's a there's someplace on the D website where you can go and look it up or on somewhere on the State website you can look it up okay so unless I'm mistaken right now we don't have any grounds to um to hold an enforcement action um over them unless I'm misunderstanding something yeah I think I think we should do a little more research um before we do something rash here that could result in litigation I I agree um I agree uh Mike you had a comment I was just wondering if uh in lie of their uh last uh notification could we send a reminder letter or would that violate uh saying we understand that you know the July 26 is coming up [Music] and I think that's a great idea just a reminder I think that's a great idea okay um uh maybe let's uh verify if they have uh a covid extension on that as well should we I believe the extension ended June 15 2021 oh okay good we're in the clear yeah then we're in the clear yeah then let's just I think the reminder is a good idea uh so Sophie I think that's an action for you and it could be that we might want to ask the town attorney to send that oh that's a good idea rather than ask Sophie to send that um carries a little bit more weight carries more weight and uh they're the property owner or represent the property owner they are the property owner um and um uh I'd be happy to draft such an email uh Adam right now we cop or to Heather requesting that uh she take in uh that's a great idea because I can just piggy back on my prior email to uh to to the to to Heather yeah that's a great idea thank you Bob um anybody uh concerned about that or want to advocate in a different direction Madam chair it might be worth just adding in there that uh they filed the order of they filed the notice of intent uh in um response to a violation that they are still responsible for and that if it's not taken care of at the ex at the expiration of the notice order of conditions that uh fines will begin to crew that's a great idea Rich certain Bob will include that in the U Notes I'm certain he's uh rapid as so long as I complete the email in the next three minutes which I'm working on yeah when I was down there um a couple of months ago they're still actively using that there's um boats parked there wood stored there and there does appear to be um a lot of uh trash and debris not like little bitty paper but uh jump cans big pieces of plastic and uh dumping of uh of grass clippings uh into the resource area along that bank and that bank has now been reduced to a few feet in some areas so it doesn't look like there is an intent to uh stop using that area or to be U mindful of the Wetland regulations okay uh where should we go to uh next uh Sophie uh where do we have the next update I have 950 uh50 Chase Road uh have we had any updates there I speak with a fire chief and it's not something that they're interested in burning down uh okay that's that's part of the encroachment dialogue but I think um this is actually on the U the the last meeting where you weren't there uh Jeff volunteered that he has a drone excellent so then Jeff do I just need to get you permission from on a butter to uh launch from their property or is that already in hand we you could do it I think from the public way out in front there's you know like a uh um there's some businesses and stuff across the street you could stop yeah that's what I was thinking there's a business across the way that I think I don't know maybe real estate or something um that has a big empty uh parcel uh the and the empty parcel is there parking lots in Lunenburg the business actually is you know in uh towns I mean I can fly at about four or 500 yards keeping reception so um it takes really clear pictures yeah I think that's uh well within that um yeah that's that's well within that area it doesn't um you don't have to go that far back I don't think you'd be stretching it at all okay I'll uh I'll talk to you off line about that uh about the permission piece of it okay excellent okay um 607 Reservoir Road there sorry this is a typo that is a typo okay as in it shouldn't be there or the address is wrong or the road is wrong should not be there that address is incorrect okay Ty okay then that gets us through the list of uh violations and enforcements move along to uh new business and uh one of the items there is the we have a couple hands up ah okay yes um see uh thank you thank you for that Chris uh can't look down and look up at the same time so I'll call on Ashley Braun first so yeah so I um I saw my address pop on the the agenda today at 607 so I was just and I don't want to dive into the weeds here but could someone summarize the enforcement process um so long story short um uh it's my neighbor next to me 609 611 he owns both properties I'm just just a general highlevel like what are the steps can somebody just tell me what the steps are uh yeah I'll I'll uh I'm like the uh newest chair around the block um so I'll I'll Bob do you want to summarize those steps um for Ashley uh well uh you know our administrator will take and send them a uh um you know an enforcement letter uh telling them them that they uh um you know have to apply uh for you know to put the dock in um and that uh they have to file probably an RDA if it's a removable doc if it's not a removable if it's gonna sit on the if it's not a removal doc they have to file an noi um and that you know know if they don't do it then um you know we could be issuing them fines and so forth and um and then we uh take it from there and hopefully you know they comply come in you know apply to put the dock in uh and then you know it would be advertised in the paper we'd have a public hearing um and it would go from there okay so he would just you would send him a letter basically asking him to follow the same rules that I did on my property that's correct okay um and currently standing if his dock is in the water um he can apply for the RDA and the noi with it currently in even though he wasn't approved for it well I mean I I that would be up to the commission whether you wanted them to tell them you have to take the dock out to you know you know because there's no permission to put it in but you know typically we wouldn't do that um you know typically we would say um let's put it this way we've never done that before we've never done that totally fair uh we're just trying to feel it out because obviously uh the commission was kind enough to hear our case last week um and approve our RDA uh currently even with that approved RDA I can't put my dock in the water because where his is currently he also um doesn't really follow um the conservation rules and I've brought up a couple of those um potential violations to Sophia as well um like last fall for example he installed two fences within the 30 foot no touch um but again like I I've mentioned and and Todd's mentioned and it's been pointed out I just um I care about the lake and the water and the surrounding areas and being respectful of people's property and being a good neighbor um and I don't want I know the board does not want to get involved in any sort of civil dispute so I totally agree with that um I I just don't want people to just steamroll um through things and not do what they're supposed to do um so I appreciate your clarification and I'm rambling because it's late and we've all been on this meeting for a while so thank you madam chair thank you thank you Ashley uh thank you Bob uh Amanda you have your hand up as well yes hi um this is Amanda Lor and my husband is also here PJ Lor we are the homeowners of 950 Chase Road ah okay yeah um we just wanted to come on here because these issues that the town is kind of presenting to us we were already existing when we bought the house so the clearing the conservation land that land was already it was cleared and maintained by the previous homeowners and and the snowmobile committee the snowmobilers would use that land and ride throughout the conservation we've actually put a stop to that and so we don't let the snowmobilers on our property or on the conservation through our property any longer so the vegetation has actually grown in since we've owned the home and the shed the encroachment issue is not an encroachment issue because the shed has been there since probably 2001 is as far back as I could see and it's fully on Town property it's not even on our property it's fully on Town property it's not encroaching at all I can share my screen if that's helpful well we were just talking about violations and I think the concern with the 950 Chase Road was uh clearing that is uh on Town property that's at the Townson side uh right the northern Townson side and that's not a snowmobile path that's actually uh from satellite view looked like it was maybe 50 by 75 foot clearing no there's no clearing on the towns inside just on the Lunenburg side from the yeah it was towards I'm sorry I misunderstood it was towards the towns inside but on in the lunenberg larget toown forest so it wasn't the snowmobile path wasn't the issue it was the clearing and the removal of vegetation on that Northern side the images that I have I'm actually looking at from ma.gov um satellite aerial images and you can see all of that has been cleared even further back has been cleared for many years and why don't you share your page your uh screen are you able we can see your screen yes okay um so this right here are you able to see the the map yes okay so this is the property line and this is all conservation that has been cleared okay this is from 2019 so we had just moved into the home yeah and that's a uh it looks like that's a fall um or early spring type of uh the deciduous trees don't seem to be have their vegetation um so so there's no ve this goes further back so there's no vegetation in this area that's more recent no vegetation in this area and this is and so uh you guys have lived there through the summer seasons and whatnot right when did you purchase the property 2018 the very end of 2018 2018 okay and uh and you're saying that there's no vegetation growing there now and you're not just talking about trees I think it's starting to grow in and it's it's really not trees it's just vegetation it's starting to grow in but in that top corner you can see where the path is on that far corner right where the um the Town Line is that's where the snowmobiles would meet and go through the woods so there would be you know 10 15 snowmobiles in that section of land right there so that's growing in now but it's taking a lot longer than the rest of it okay and you're saying there were snowmobilers there when there wasn't snow no I'm just saying that's why it's a clearing there's nothing there okay thank you um any other questions for uh Amanda Bole and uh Amanda to be clear uh you um you and your family are not using that um or clearing it uh rather anybody can uh access Town L but you guys are not clearing it or actively using it for for anything no ma'am we are not okay okay any other questions or comments for Amanda Amanda thank you for your comments tonight okay uh I think that does uh clear us of uh the vi viations enforcement actions and hearings we'll move along to new business and uh Bob you sponsored this topic on the beaver deceiver in the calry yeah been for Conservation Commission approval uh to hire Beaver Associates to put her a beaver deceiver at cry um I think the quote was for $3,300 I sent it to to the commission earlier today or it might have been yesterday um and uh because uh the the Beavers of flooded the uh access road to the um uh to you know theol Harley Wildlife viewing area of the C thank thank you for helping me through my senior moment um and uh uh you know it's a that's a beautiful facility and uh you know putting in the beaver deceiver is an essential First Step you know in uh the commission's goal to uh provide the public meaningful access to the herald Harley Wildlife viewing play I'm looking for I I was hoping to get approval uh to hire uh Beaver Associates uh to um to do that work so moved um I would second okay we got Chris with a second and uh rich with a first or primary motion uh roll call vote uh Jeff hi Mike I'll say I uh but can you also let me know what a beaver deceiver is I'm sorry it's it's it's it's a beaver flow device if you take and you look on like the fourth page mic of the thing I sent to today or yesterday whenever I sent it uh there's a diagram that shows exactly what it is it's a pipe uh that takes and uh the orig and is deep under the water surrounded by fence so that the Beavers don't sense any flow and they don't take and react to it by building a dam around it so they think they've uh cre built a dam but they haven't because it's still going through the pipe very good it it and it's a win it's a win because we don't want to hurt the Beavers but we don't want them flooding the road right I hear you thank you Bob I would go further and say these these guys at at uh Beaver uh management are really wonderful Beaver Advocates I I was out there with them um and they are really understand beavers and their uh habitat and their uh their uh you know I want to say culture but that's not it because they're not people but they were great and I know they're very active also with a lot of the uh uh State uh rescue um wildlife rescue um uh and rehabilitators too and whenever they find a problem with one of their uh one of their uh Beaver deceivers they actually uh react to that and redesign it to make it safer for beavers um they've been I've been really impressed with them anyway uh for what that's worth so we got an eye from Jeff and Mike we got an eye from you Bob you were gonna add something uh I was just gonna say it was embarrassing to realize that we never paid them their $175 for consultation back in 2023 uh because uh the authorization came just on Heather Manley's last day and um they sent us the W9 and uh the the the payment never went through so we also have to pay that but that's been previously authorized okay back in 2023 cool so Mike that was an i for you that was an i for me Jenny hi Chris I rich I Bob I and I for myself um Bob you sent me a couple of other topics that came up in the last uh 24 hours uh that were uh Beyond just the title um if you could because because I have to uh leave soon but if we could take up uh we ever there's been two people um uh Tom alons I think his last name is and um Gary Lotti who've been doing a lot of work out on um at my direction uh out on Table Rock uh putting in uh some of the trails that we approved last year the connecting Trails uh you know uh so that you know Trails don't dead end at the property line um and they've also been using their own fonts to put in Little Foot Bridges you know really boardwalks across you know boggy you know wet areas and um you know I had offered I said you know if you want to build a more substantial uh Boardwalk you know if you give me uh a location and you know a materials list you know I I I'll go to the commission and ask them for prior permission you know to take and use our existing uh Macky purchase order uh thing to take and you know buy the materials and so this is a request to buy them I think it's 26t 4x4s eight uh 8 foot 2X sixs and a box of uh sheet metal uh not sheet metal deck screws for them to construct the bridge across a uh uh a a stream uh at the Eastern uh edge of uh The Table Rock So Bob uh Eastern edge with in this area I'm sorry I'm not let let me uh hang on I was just trying to share and I uh fat fat thumbed it o o over towards over towards um very close to the Christmas tree farm uh yeah okay so the Christmas tree Farm is in here yeah it's up at it's it's up in the in the uh kind of like the northeast corner there uh to the right of where it's got that little circle around the AT&T right away that needs uh you know Improvement yeah yeah yeah this purple um yeah yeah there right right about where we have the cursor right now there's a fairly substantial stream that runs through there yeah I'm familiar with it and um and there's some muddy spots through there and these guys have been really good about building little um boardwalks um you know to bridge these places where you end up you know with a lot lot of Tire erosion and stuff like that so yeah okay uh excellent and so like I don't know if we need a motion or anything but just you know if I'm looking for a sense of the committee you know is it all right you know to buy buy uh or maybe we need a motion be simpler um to authorize me to you know buy these guys some materials for this bridge they want to uh construct and I sent everybody pictures of the stream of the some of the prior Bridges they built out of their own pocket or I don't I call them Bridges but they're really foot boardwalks and picture of the stream that they want to take and build this bridgeboard walk across yeah I don't have any problem with it because we we routinely as far as I'm aware fund um projects like that for other volunteer groups and what to I'd like to um motion to approve the purchase for the materials for that bridge thank you Chris do we have a second second thank you Jenny uh Bob can I also say that I rode the new Trail in homman recently it's beautiful great Trail thank you so much well you're welcome I'm glad you enjoyed it I I walked it I loved it too it was awesome um and man a lot of work so thank you okay so we have a motion we have a second roll call vote Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi Bob hi and I for myself and I just have one more update before I sign off uh when I met with Adam Costa we never heard from the people at 315 Lancaster Avenue and so I asked to send the pre- litigation letter um which he's going to do which is a letter that says if you now you know we've sent you two two rather you know two kind of stern letters this is a third letter that says now if you don't respond we we're gonna we might take you to court so um uh that that's where we're at okay thank you Bob uh before you sign off did you want to give the commission an update on title searches oh title searches [Music] um not really uh I did send a letter to um uh Heather uh about a while ago about um and I haven't heard back uh about uh the title the two properties that would give us access to the rear Lots over on off of paage Street you know behind Matt Allison behind Connie Allison's Farm yes um and um uh saying you know like that they had been talking they've been talking about perhaps putting detention bases on Prop Town property and you're there and that I S said you know if you're thinking of putting detention bases on property that belongs to the conservation land I suggest you first check with the town attorney about you know can you put a detention Basin on land uh that's uh under the car and control of the Conservation Commission uh for Passive Recreation and conservation purposes before you go any further so uh I'm expecting that'll come all come out in the wash uh the next time they get around uh to discuss in flath Hill Road or the selectman's meeting and Bob I also thought you wanted to discuss and you know if you want to table it for another meeting that's fine um we had previously approved funding the title searches for properties out of the um Kelly um fund oh and you wanted to get that shifted over to temper rights thank thank you uh Mary for having my back there um yeah we initially uh uh did a $1,000 purchase order from The Kelly Fund to do searches and you know I I've been thinking about it I really think we should pres at some point in the future we should have a draft policy on what Kelly funds are being used for I really think we should try to do our best to preserve uh The Kelly Fund for major Acquisitions and not Fritter it away with you know uh Little Nickel and Dy and stuff and I'm advocating uh that um we uh and nothing's been charged to that purchase order yet uh that we take and we open a new PO for the title searches uh from the to from the timber rights fund and um uh not use the Kelly money for the timber rights fund for for for the title searches I would agree with that strategy it's aligned with my own thought so I I would make a motion uh for the sake of brevity uh that we um uh uh shift the title search funds uh title search expenditures over to the timber rights fund um and uh open and open a purchase order uh initial purchase order of a amount of $1,000 uh from the title rights fund to uh uh meet Talman and Costa or whatever their name is to the town attorney uh for the purpose of title searches and not use the Kelly and close out the the uh the per initial purchase order to the to the C to the thank you do we have a second second thank you uh Rich Roll Call vote Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi Bob I and I for myself thank you um Mary thank you very much I'm going to sign off now thank you all right yeah and uh just by way of uh socializing um a few other topics here um uh last week uh Bob and I met with uh with Heather and Sophie and uh yeah uh Sophie is uh not going to be able to continue to support meetings uh that go after 10: so she will also be logging off at 10: even if our meetings uh continue uh so we'll have to as a as a commission uh determine whether we can uh hold meetings or continue meetings after 10 as well and I would be willing to uh certainly be interested and taken uh advice from the Commissioners about that I know I've talked to you in the past about meeting length and things we can do to um try to keep meetings shorter uh but this I think is a bit of a forcing function there any any questions or comments okay we will uh move along uh I don't have any other uh business topics um and I do acknowledge that it's getting late uh so uh um there no updates on open space and land use other than what we've already uh already heard uh yeah I'm going to jump around uh committee reports there's certainly nothing happening in open space uh Jenny is there anything happening in storm water that you need to socialize no no updates from storm water for this meeting okay and then with the uh Hollis Road uh residents uh like anything that you wanted to socialize yes we do have a lot actually I wanted to just remind everyone that back in January when we replaced the water tank at 123 Hollis Road um we was replaced and we got a 12year warranty on the tank and six-year warranty on the parts and I went ahead and got a lifetime warranty on the tank uh along with the six-year warranty on the parts and that's attached to the new hot water heater so in case someone else is in charge of the commission they can always refer to the warranty that's on the water tank uh at the building uh the next thing I wanted to talk um just real quickly do we have a soft copy of that anywhere that's uh like searchable or like Chris has a copy of it or anything like that photo of it Chris Ruth has a copy of it and he the uh a soft copy to the actual hot water heater okay excellent right uh the next thing I want to bring up it's uh a year past uh where we did the trim work on that particular building and which was approved and now we're at the following year where we have the um request or the proposal to paint the remainder of the building um and the con the painter is willing to start uh it comes with a $6,400 um price tag and I wasn't sure if we had approved both of those because last year we approved the $4,800 for all the tour work that occurred and um now well why don't we just vote again and make it uh really clear okay sounds good so I I propose that we re paint the remainder of the Hollis Road building which includes priming as well as two coats and installing any shingles that may have that may be needed uh for this project and looks like he's willing to carve out May 15th as his start date so um so okay I think I'm looking for a motion then they'll move Thank you Rich and uh second by Chris roll call uh Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi and I for myself uh the next thing is we also have gotten the uh facilities Department to agree to put our pollinator habitat sign that fell over the winter back into the ground for us andell um they hope to do that in the next you know they they're just getting their staff back so they're said you know it will happen in the next few days um I did get a request from Linda Hilton Hilson excuse me from the pollinator habitat uh they're still uh working on trying to eradicate their jumping worms I think I may have mentioned that last season and they're looking to see if they can uh have us purchase some dry mustard um which is a culinary spice but uh they need $80. 32 worth of dry mustard and I'm hoping does the town have an Amazon account do you know Mary I have no idea okay um if not there hopefully we can get it somewhere else where we do have an account but I'd like to uh approve the purchase of some dry mustard for the eradication of the jumping worms um so the pollinator habitat can um get rid of Sophie you had your hand raised um yeah so recently I was told that we didn't have an Amazon account um and then even more recently there was an email sent by Annie um that there is an account existing um but I can I can share that whole email um on you know how to go about doing that through the Amazon account because it would be a first for for our department I think um so I'll share the email that has all the details in it if that would be helpful that would be helpful yeah it would be helpful thank you does the uh facilities Department have that access to that Amazon account um I would assume so um okay because I know they have a bunch of accounts um so I believe so but I I'm not sure I did that's just a matter of an email to verify okay all right great so um Mike uh what how are these things that the um pollinator habitat generally funded out of what account we usually uh we usually go through the Haw account the Haw account okay okay I I just wanted to make certain that well as we're voting we're clear because that's something that the office has kind of brought up before that we're clear on what we're approving the funding to be um you know the budget where the budget support should come from um I think the gas for the lawn mowing through that hos account last last year and uh this is more of the same uh okay okay so I think I'm looking for a motion Mike um for $80 for the purchase of mustard to support eradication of jumping worms do do have a motion okay Mike has Mo motion second Chris is seconded uh we'll go roll call Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi I for myself and I gonna buy some dried mustard myself because I got a problem okay that's all I have Madam chair thank you Mike um that was lovely and brief I very much appreciate that um do we have uh other comments uh from the commission any comments from members of the public okay it is uh 9:48 pm and I am looking for a motion to adjourn so moved second thank you thank you rich thank you Jeff uh roll call vote Jeff hi Mike hi Jenny hi Chris hi Rich hi and I for myself thank you all thank good night everybody night