all right this is the lunenberg water district Commissioners meeting June 12 4M we're going to start with the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right you guys weren't on your game so we're going to VI and sign warrants and while we're doing this cuz we can multitask I was going to go to the next thing that says yeah reorganization of the board done it for that one really reorganization of the board John okay I I nominate Mr Woodward as the chairman I will second that all those in favor well first of all accept the nomination oh okay I'm jumping a gun on you how would he yeah yeah did you see that bus coming yeah look out that was fast hit me a little faster than I thought it was going so typically when we in the in the past in the way past right uh uh when when Mr Rogers was here that's the way past but he he would um the outgoing commissioner would be chair mhm and then we'd reorganize the board after that because it would be your third year year therefore you've had all the experience and the fun and what you and and know what what this is all about and uh you never know what this look I got it I'll take I'll take the rins for a while take a little stress off you I get it yeah okay so with that being said I'll pass these that way that's why I printed you a uh and that's you we're going to do the selectman style we're going to reorganize the board oh you get the head of the table see I stay in the middle I'm a middle guy hold on a second got to change that a drive from now on um oh yeah do we have the minutes floating around at any place they might be T in between okay I'll see while we multitask with this would we like to move on to our discussion with Ty and bond we can uh I'm have no problem with that all right well I uh prepared a small agenda for us to just uh go through a couple things I wanted to touch base on um so we could just go right through that so um item number one the Hickory Hill pilot that is now complete the on-site work is complete uh they are transitioning to the laboratory work so it's rabid small scale column testing they haven't started that yet so I guess the question for you guys is we have an opportunity to maybe curtail that a little to to minimize what we what we invest and spend in that think we had multiple Medias going on there but correct given that we're not proceeding at least not at this time with it we don't we don't necessarily need to do all of the different medas but we can keep them on there it doesn't change anything just wanted to put it out there this assists what the actual design with whole Trigg plan correct it does what it does is uh we've got GAC and florb it's probably unlikely that you go forward with floor absorb so we'd still keep the GAC on there and that would help correlate since we didn't have enough time to get through actual on-site exhaustion of the media this rapid small scale will help us get to that in the the lab that alone doesn't tell you how long it would last in real life because to do the Laboratory Testing they grind up the media to even smaller bits of media put it in a column that's basically the size of this pen y and wrapid ly filter and accelerate the process um so what we can do though is take the information we got from the field based on this and then extrapolate and correlate that to we get an actual exhaustion immed I'd like I'd like to see us have the complete the most complete information we can have we we'll change nothing and we'll proceed with all of it because it's it's we have to have the way people were talking about information we have to have all the all the information and I think I think now that we're with the breaks have been put on a little bit and so to speak then we uh I think we want to get as much complete information so that we can be very accurate with what our plan is moving forward I think I'll piggyback a little off that too the fact is that the Hickory Hills pilot test was voted on by the public to that is what we wanted to do so yes let us complete that that task in entirety as proposed as voted on and you know put it on the Shelf until uh it's till such a time I mean it's the the information is not going to go bad right uh I mean just off I don't think you might need not once this is done in um you know all this information is ready obviously we're not moving forward at this time does it expire does it have a time limit that you know can see so years or something like all right that's no longer valid information for a pilot test uh no I don't there's no definitive expiration date um I had to get into the mind of DDP they might say oh it's been 10 years sure run a full water quality battery and if we see something drastically different maybe got to take another look as long as nothing drastically changes is probably still valid yeah okay the only other item I had in relation to that pilot testing um just to see if the board was interested there is a grant program out there to potentially get you guys reimbursed for the money that you spent on the piloting it's worth it's only I think it's only a couple page application I figured we might as well see if we can get to reimburse do yeah is that something you do or Christie or yeah we'll work with chrisy in case there's any information we don't know we'll obviously run it by you and the board if you want to take a look at before we submit it but we just figured the program's out there it just got refunded again um recently so they had exhausted all those funds but then they voted more from additional funding so there's another several million dollars available to small systems and disadvantaged communities since you are both you check both those boxes there's a there's a chance to get some reimbursement don't we use that for all of the I was just going to ask the same thing well we have arings but still I mean if we can give it back give it back oh true I guess all the local stuff you can I think you can try to recoup okay so yeah um does that so does that funding you see apply for that Grant is that uh application done when the pilot test is complete or can you do it in the process thereof I think it's rolling and you can do it anytime so this would be for reimbursement you can also do it for design as well so it's like a planning and design and so the piloting falls into planning portion of it okay think right yeah so we'll we'll see if we can't I mean there's no guarantees but it's worth a shot y um the keing pilot so we do have the DP approval on that one it took a little while to go back and forth with they had thrown in some extra sampling requirements that really drove the price tag up and we didn't understand why they wanted all that extra sampling and so they they realized that they think they had copy and pasted from some other approval oh they do that kind of thing yeah that's surprising oh that they that they cut and paste yeah yeah I think I think I don't I don't know for sure sure everybody knows what I'm getting at on but uh so we've got that ciled back to reality and so we're just working with blue Leaf to make sure we have the latest and greatest cost from them and then go forward that one so just he's just he's just working that into his schedule um um and then I guess my third bullet is just some general discussion topics on the next steps right so I know I had seen an email from from from Fran about you know just some some different ideas about how we might proceed um some of it was in regards to you know taking some time for some more specific detail on on what the options for treating past might be in terms of like an alternate connection or maybe really drilling into the cost of purchase land around Shirley Lake and develop a new source think trying to hear some of the the comments back and maybe putting some some more work into what do you guys want to do because we need to do something not survive with just Kings I know I mean because because anybody says that yeah I'm not going to want to no they they yeah I'll give you a real scenario we'll bring this up later but Kings the Kings well not our keing well shaft collapsed their well yeah yeah their Wells out you know what I'm saying and that could then they're taking our water they're taking our a lot of water our that could happen to our well there also oh no it's perfect nothing's ever going to happen so they planning on fixing it soon yeah they're looking we'll go through that a little bit later trying to test them they need to put in new wells yeah yeah um but anyway so yes we we need to have another option because and just just so you know the well that we are using was put in by keing right we found the well in 1975 and because it was so far away we never pursued it and U and a lot of concern was because the land Fell's quarter mile away from a lot of lot of concern about the well we're we're going to circle back to this I want to have him finish through and there there's more I going to get that the Well's old that Well's not brand new like we put it because that well was there for 20 years before uh we definitely have a discussion on finding another source somehow some way something I agree I I yeah I I I would agree I think that we need to dial in what some of the costs may be for intermunicipal connections have the conversations with the people that may uh be able to supply make sure they can supply us what we need so that it's it's a viable viable option and I understand that the option is going to be expensive we're going to have to purchase water at a at a much higher rate than we produce water at but let's I think I don't I after this last thing I I don't care if we have 20 articles at our next meeting uh to let people decide what they want to do but we're going to have to have a special meeting because I'm assuming this time on isn't going to do this for free we're going to have to have a contract so we're our residents are going to have to vote CU we don't have that in our maintenance budget to pay an engineer to look at I mean we did the master plan they already started it but if they're putting in an extensive amount to look into other options we're going to have to have the res to we don't I don't think we want to I I agree with you I think we bring it to the residents but we bring it to them in not a lumpsum bring it to them in stages do they really want us to go to Shirley towns in Fitchburg lemonster let's put that what's the line item to research intermunicipal connections okay and then what's the line item then the next article is do you want to spend we can either vote on everything with article one and if article one gets voted down then article two is going to be researching intermunicipal Connections in my mind the um and then the next article would be for the next thing so you we get we break everything down as much as we possibly can and as much as it seems realistic to do we make it article one and if article one passes with everything then great if not then we have the options everybody else the public can decide what they want to do we can make our recommendations and they can decide what they want to do how much money they want to spend at this point because that's what we're asking time on for get a get us a proposal for right I mean what's what's realistic as far as to break down uh cost to pursue the options we're looking at that's all sure yeah I mean and breaking them out as much as it seems reasonably reasonable to do yeah I think exploring an intermunicipal connection with each different municipality is going to be slightly different you know I mean are we you know we got to look at in all cases you need like a booster station right so you got every we got to find land to put a booster station or you know where where you know so that that requires a different amount of effort depending upon where we're looking you know um and because I've spoke to every surrounding Town everyone L Shirley Fitchburg uh Townsen Ashby doesn't have one so uh and just to be clear Sur he has no interconnection with any other town there was a lot of people saying that on the internet but that's not true true uh anyway so I've talked to all of them and you like I mean I don't you're going to have to talk to them again because no one's going to believe anything I say but uh like talking with Fitchburg it was it wasn't just yeah could we do the water he gave me a defin maybe you know but he says not it's not just the water it's the their distribution system to us our distribution coming out of it so it'd be the same thing with tal and we're not looking at just hey we need to boost the pump we need to put run a mile and a half of water main to Townsen and then we need to when it comes to lunberg it's one feed line one broken main again we're out of line so now we need redundancy was an Overkill word but you need you need you need to do you need both you need two ways of to to sply the water so I mean it's not just simple and and I think that's you're going to have to tie that into your study a and how many years is this going to take these guys are pretty quick yeah I would say well conceptually first the first thing is can you can you supply us with the water you know and what's the what's the quantity that we what that we're looking for if we're putting all of our our right now currently everything into Kings then you want you want a million and a half gallons a day maximum day is 1.4 so yeah so we we need we need that or or future down the road who who knows what what the future brings you know I sit here and I think of what we on in the last six months and what we've done to try to correct the problem and I don't know why we're banging our head on the floor to to to kill ourselves to try to get this done I mean they don't want any water and when it's gone it won't have any because it's our job that's what we're here to well we did our job we did our job tried to do our job we're going to try doing it a different way well it ain't going to work again because you got to buy a piece of land from Shirley you got to put a $5 million well in there by the time you pipe it to where it's going and and who's to say it isn't going to get voted down every step of the way again who cares I I don't care I mean I care about the people that are drinking the water I care about the water and I care about the water district but you're banging your head against the look I won't tell you what tell our last plan I felt was the best you know logistical way to go about it however financially it was a lot of money and I think it you know well going to get any cheaper no you're going to buy a piece of Lin and you're going to you're going to put in another well I agree but it's round two for us we got to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to do it I'm frustrated like you but I'm waiting I'm waiting for the state to step in and see what they if they are email you sent the other day we have until 2029 to is was that correct three days three years to monitor Y and and then you have to come up your plan you have to have a plan in place by year five you have to meet it you know and I hear a lot you know a lot of people I'm not to say names oh yeah that's all just on paper it's cious you know that's not true it's actually 5 years you have to meet the meet the the water so how long is it going to take to buy a piece of land and put another well in five seven years new well no a new well a new source is we looking at at an option but it's not going to be as quick as utilizing the sources we currently have it'll be n years that's the and we got in terms of you got Kings and you're putting all your eggs in the Kings basket you know you you want to have an alternate Supply and the fastest way to get an alternate Supply would probably be through an interconnection if they have enough water or utilizing the sources we have having the Emer so you use heating and if something happens you can turn on the alternate Supply um that that's one approach that's right it's going to be faster than developing a new Supply yes maybe the alter Supply someday is thinking well you know why should we Supply other towns with water we might be in the same position they're in someday I mean obviously with an inter connection that is the you know when they run out of water we're the first ones to get shut off they're going to take care of the Town first I mean that's obvious yeah I mean DP regulations like you say nothing like having your own we got we got to start with the questions do you have the water will you supply it to us that's really the the the simple starting point and if everybody comes back and says no when we I I mean we need a million and a half gallons a day will you supply us with a million and a half gallons a day in the middle of August and and if you won't do that then we we got to go to the next one if they won't do that I mean we we've worked together with other communities before they've worked with us we've we've done temporary emergency low flow or however I believe we've had we've had some before we can feed them easily right but not not very easily cuz I mean you cannot like this keep going in this it's all pressures and yeah but it's not you can just throw hey let me trick a h some hyd hyd are all contaminated you need to chlorinate them you need to do bacteria testing so you got days before you can actually make that connection active so the the oh you just connect the lemon Stu right and okay well did did anybody talk to the fire chief what kind of fire truck pump can it pump a million and half gallons a day to a 6 in line from lemona right so all these comments that came oh just do this do that they they they're throwing crap out there without having to background knowledge so it kind of makes them look like an idiot but we that's why we got to hire them to tell us have a hydraulic model for your system no I don't so you're you're saying that that may be something that we going to show static pressure on the lines the flow the hydraulic model scenarios and say okay if this goes down and we needes how does that work like how much water can you shove through a 6in main versus through an 18inch Main and stuff like that so if we don't have one that would be another line item hydraulic model of our system but it it we don't even need to discuss these things if other communities aren't going to have the water to supply us right thing I think we I already made those phone calls but nobody believes them so now we have to pay an engineer to do it that's well we'll see we we've we've done our due diligence on our end we present it to the public the public decides what they want to do maybe we ought to call in all the experts in town tell them to come on in here tell us what their story there is another option what do you got we still could go out to the public again and instead of doing the Hickory Hills and Lancaster ra Wells together be proposes the Hickory Hills only we have all the data we have everything we know the actual cost I mean I think it's a long shot but I that is another option it's going to cut that project in by millions and millions of dollars um do we still have the funding or that long G did we officially with so that's another item on the list here so uh why yeah why don't we let you keep going sorry we beat some of it down so what we do aside um that kind of leads to ma B the time extension so dp's reached out at this point and they're like hey time's running out uh are you guys going to uh they'd like to see a formal withdrawal from the iup if that's if that's the direction that this is heading um the other option is to ask for a formal extension if we but I think we have to to get that formal extension I think we need to bring forth a plan of how we realistically think it would get a vote that that is understood when do they need that by uh the deadline for submitting a vote is June 28th June 28th yeah okay yeah a couple of weeks we if we go for an extension when could that extension be if you provide enough justification maybe you can get another uh I've seen it be extended to say the fallish time frame if you have like another planned meeting so my thinking is but there's no guarantees you can ask for it but yeah my thinking is we we take money out of this next July 1 budget we hire TI and bond to do their study we ask for the extension and then we have that money still sitting there and then we do like you just said bring it back to the people have them pick which one they want to do well so as far as the iup if they the the that's around the Hickory Hills well to start so if we did Lancaster have by itself that would not be in the iup correct lost it's either Hickory Hills and Lancaster or or Hill well yeah I mean we throw all the options out there sure doing doing Lancaster AV alone doesn't give it the water can can we talk about that one okay so so we did we did a full round of P fast sampling so it's fact Lancaster AV needs past treatment that's fact no one can argue that can we hey can you explain that a little bit more about how you took the 100 foot test all together just so the people made all right so when when we do a sampling we do exactly as DP tells us to sample so we don't ever run uh Lancaster RS all together M so but when they say uh do a blended sample we turn all the Wells on we run them all night and we take a sample out of 100 foot tap so it represents all the wells and Lancaster out that's not how we run the system down there we run two on this night and then we switch them to the next night and that's how we run it and we run keying uh with that so you have to run it that way because of the capabilities of the wells well mostly during the summer time that is that is accurate yes okay so so someone would ask why don't you just run it like that I'm just being Devil's Advocate I know why but yeah but but yeah when it when it gets to July I mean even when we did the pilot testing we were running two Wells 24 hours a day and then we shut it off and run the next Tu for 24 hours a day we actually had to back off well number four from the pump rate because it was running out of water this is this was last month when the water tap was all high so so so so we have uh so we did past sampling on L cter at individual well sites we've already done this in the past and we knew well number five was going to fail we knew that so well number five is the only well on lancast TR that you can put on and run 24 hours a day sure so that's the main source on lancast TR so if well number five has elevated levels of P FY you can't run it we can't run all the other three Wells because they're going to run out of water you know so so you you you well number five can only run when you're going to run the other ones dilute it with it so when we did another round of P fast in just to confirm all this uh because everybody they make me feel like I'm lying to everybody I'm not don't lie and uh so well number one on the last round of samping also failed so well five and well one the good side of not really a good side but well number one is another one of the wells that runs out of water it's only it's only a 31 ft deep you know so water tables yeah in the summertime water tables are 18 ft you got 10t screen you only got four or five feet of water you're playing with anyway so uh So currently if you ran all the wells together at Lancaster AB we would be below the allowable limit not all the time some sometimes we do we do fail sometimes even with all of them Blended all of them Blended yeah one time was it was just it was 4 point1 I think the the result was and that's and that's what they were running with well you only failed that one sample yeah and how so what's the average run time for if you ran them all Blended uh that when we when we run them Blended well to do the sample we run it's usually overnight we stop at 10:00 at night we take the sample like 10:00 in the morning so so it's usually 12 run time 12 hours of runtime and the quantity do you don't know the quantity of water we get in that 12 hours of runtime and that's an ideal condition yeah I don't I don't really know 400,000 gallons okay and and our Max demand day is 1.4 million correct so we would be able to if we if it was perfect conditions and something else was down and we had to run that system we could get a third of the water that we need for our Max demand day uh running 12 hours I mean we we could do 800,000 24 hours but keep saying you have to you have to run it all yeah so it's it's still not uh a adequate backup to run all of the wells at Lancaster have for the period of time in perfect conditions that we can run them we're going to get a third to half the amount of water we use on a Max demand day right okay so that's that's that's the easy way to say it that it's just not going to be enough something happens with go back to the late 80s and 90s we wouldn't even have put the Hickory Hills well in them if we didn't need it well that went yeah because Hickory Hills went before Kings but another another day all right um so we can file for an extension on theup we can ask for with good reason I think the only chance of getting an extension is to build a case they're gonna they're gonna just say well we're not going to just give you an extension right to try it it's pretty it's pretty simple the the the the district residents didn't have the the flavor for uh a fully comprehensive plan and they wanted options we're hiring our goal is to hire Ty and bond to give us as many options as we can and go back to the table so that the public can decide whether they want this the iup the um srf the srf funding or not and our plan is to do this and we have to come up with a a decent timeline to do this and again that's where I'm saying let's put all these separate make every option separate I don't care if we have 30 articles at the next meeting I kind of like that idea let let the people pick me and everybody else let we we can suggest what we we've already s suggested and recommended and it just didn't it didn't it didn't sink in so you know that's that's that's kind of my my thought process cuz I have liter I haven't literally but uh I think we all put a lot of effort and time into the previous plan I think Engineers Commissioners superintendents all you know all of us really felt that this was the the best option for the public and obviously they they didn't agree with our your years of experience the engineers years of experience and I think I've been on the board over 10 years John you've probably been 20 some odd years 28 but if if that's going to be the case and and um that's the way the political environment is then that the only solution I came up with is let's put every option we possibly can on the table recommend what we think we should do and if they don't agree they can decide what they want to do and how they want to spend their money and how they want to leave the future water supply of the community because voters because what I've uh taken from this whole thing is we lied to all of them no I I I no I don't we didn't I mean it was a it was a very contentious um discussion and AR I guess you can say argument between two there's people that agree and feel a certain way and we felt you know we're we're elected we did what we felt was best for the uh entire district and the community and the community didn't agree with us I know we had sent letters previously to um The Woodlands into Hickory Hills and their responses were from their lawyers saying that they wanted nothing to do with us but we I reached out to them saying that we wanted to be involved and I think it might be worth if we're saying let's ask the residents let's reach out to the residents it would be nice if the Committees and these I'd love groups that were created right would instead of sending responses from their lawyers actually reach out and work with us because if we knew specifically what their concerns were and came to these meetings we could actually sit down at the table together and say all right this is what we're thinking this is what we heard you guys at the meeting say that you want to find out about other sources or um tie you know interconnections but it's not we're not going to get anywhere at the next vote if we can't have conversations with these groups and I I know they sent the letter saying that we have to reach out to their lawyers but it would be nice to well can't we have some of these here I don't know what they're called The lunberg Independent clean water community whatever we could needless to say we obviously need to we need another source of water this this you know relying on the Kings one is just I I I don't really feel good about it it's going to it's going to be an option they're going to suggesting that they the resident spoke that they didn't get their options they didn't get anything and if we continue to make these decisions in this in this room without any type of involvement a lot of the information that stated here was construed and a lot of misinformation was put out there so if the groups who we have invited in in the past would actually come in and talk to us it might move forward well I mean the only way I see let's try reaching out to them and see if they want to come in for the next meeting and we can put our heads together and be like hey you know can we come up with them we tried this we did the P test they all sat with us we all thought when it came to the voting for The Pilot House was going to be unanimous so and it went it that was a cycle the the meeting that went out of control so I mean we we tried that is right in in the fact of this we can come up with the best plan in the world here that's perfect but if the public doesn't vote on it it doesn't do any good and I and I hear your frustration and I and I get it uh but we can't just I guess rely on doing a good job doing the right thing planning for the future like we need to have the community sign off on it bless it or or it's pointless to to to go through all this stuff if it's an immediate like you never turn it on the Hickory Hills well if that's if that's the answer we need to start find another one doing something else you know what I'm saying yeah because I think with King needs to involve its backup yep right you need to right and then and I think you know we've discussed some of the options I think that hopefully between you and Fran we can come up with some sort of a a cost associated with exploring these options and and uh you know let let we can recommend and let the people decide I mean it seemed that based on you know all the discussions and public comments that they're looking for a lot more information than we can come up with in the time frame so one approach might be to take a step back get this information and then maybe apply for it next year under under a new round that way that gives because maybe part of the problem and I'm it's throwing ideas out there is they don't want to vote on something that maybe they feel is already been decided so if there's no plan yet no and then you come up with a plan and then that plan is submitted for funding it might have a better chance of passing well I think that's where I think we need to reach out because I think there were more vocal residents and groups that were very adamant against it so if before we sit here and make a decision on do we want an extension or maybe we just ask for the extension in the meantime and we could sit down and meet with them and say do you want to push this through do we want to ask for this extension do we want to go through this or do we we all need to take a step back and over the next year figure out what the best options are you know cuz nobody wants to waste I don't nobody all hanging our hat here on Kings and it would be nice to get through the piloting and have an understanding of what the omm is going to be for King because that that was one a huge what are the maintenance costs right and we can't tell you right now there's going to be stuff you're going to have to haul off site and Hauling stuff off site is not in not have enough time between now and the fall to try no I I don't think we do I agree I think the problem that the DP is going to say is you know if we suddenly switch horses again to key dings under that same iup I think what they're going to come back and just say well why don't you just apply for a new one applications are out now and they're do in July why not reapply for that one and that gives you until next June to get the funding we we already have the application for Hickory Hills correct we've already put one in yes we've already we've already expanded the application to include Lancaster a yes can we put in an application for Hickory Hills again because we already have all the information Hickory Hills and Lancaster combined because we already have all the information Lancaster by itself by the time it comes and Kings by itself interesting I don't I I don't know how they would react to every permutation application like every well the the the reasoning behind it is nobody listens to us we have to let the public decide so we need the only way to let the public decide is to just break them all out and we've already done that applications ' already been done so to me it's well put a new date on it why is when we do a meeting and and ask people that like what but to sit there and say because again we're paying time bond to go and do like five different applications well ask the residents first like what what do you want kings do you want us to go for this round of funding we don't have the answers you guys said you wanted the answers unfortunately we don't have the om&m right now so do we waiting here do and this is where I'm saying like these groups need to come in and communicate with us because they're the ones that decide the votes so why are we putting all these options out to TI and bond when I I don't know I'm not I mean maybe okay so maybe I need to rephrase it can we get a cost to submit the applications for each one of them so that we can have something to discuss with the residents and then they can decide how many applications they want to put in it's getting too complicated for me I think a lot of people that were at that meeting didn't vote for us because they were afraid of what the price of the water was going to be what it was going to go up but right now Ain it ain't going to go any cheap it's going to go more than what it was before to to your point mark I I don't know if it's a good idea just to like like like throw everything at the wall and see what sticks type of thing here I think right I think with mass the the the permanent you know if I'm a bank I'm going to be like pick one here this back you know what I'm saying I don't think that's a I don't think it's due diligence on our AR I understand where you're coming from I already did due diligence I'm done with due diligence I just don't I don't think it's the like the the what you could do is you could vote on it first and then do the I think that's what they're looking for but can we get a rough idea of what the applications are going to cost the ones that we currently have that need to be refreshed and then the new ones that would have to be made up then they' have then they have something to to vote on well well I guess what I'm thinking is if you set a date to vote on these different options then there's just one application right yeah so but I but the time frame is there's no way that we'll meet this time frame of June 20th is I think I think at this point is yes maybe we all sit down here and we make a a wish list of like these are the 17 different ways to get water to lunberg the other deadline is July 26 that's the deadline for this round of applications yeah we ain't making that there's no way right so maybe what makes the most sense is let's complete the keying pilot test get this more information we're going to have omm cost more nailed down at the end of this pilot and then you can have a vote and then fund you know submit application next year this time correct I think that's kind of where we're at no I I would agree we don't we don't have time let's do that and get some real try to dot every eye and cross every te with factual numbers so when it comes out to the public to the vote we can provide them with as much information is possible in the meantime I still you know like if next year comes around and we we had the the Hickory Hills numbers we could put that out there too you know what I'm saying and then once again put it out to the public what would you lies like to see these are some of the options of doing we got one well done Lancaster Avenue that's at the past level two of them exceeded it two of them exceeded yes so this might be but there's only one of them that's really a hold on are we in agreement with trying to do it that way I yeah cuz the time frames and time crunch we need to finish our pilot withdraw pilot test we we got a withdraw and then we will go through this process and basically we won't be able to make the July 26th time frame at this point throughout the next year we will get our ducks in a row on the Kings pilot study to the te and we will revisit the Hickory Hills one and to see if we want to if the public wants to see that on the docket also and vote on it and then once that vote is done whatever the public sides we push forward what I'm getting at is how many of these Wells are going to be over the past level before this all happens all of them and what's the D going to do about it we have we have n years we have eight or nine years so eight or nine years so no I'm sorry five years9 even still I mean when when a well has the exceeds the past level we're not required to to treat it for five years but still I I don't feel comfortable running it I mean why not that's what they want I agree hey uh uh Nashville River just sent out a a a notice like don't eat the fish out of there cuz PE pass yeah you know now what what's what's this mandate I mean that these Wells are going to fail all of them are going to fail in the next couple three four years probably they all fail okay so what's what's the deal tell me tell me what the process is when these wheels feel June June whatever day of 2029 comes and passes and a well is over the limit you'll get a a notice to probably either shut the well down or if there's no option to supply water you know it'll be a big big public notification explain to them the risks of of using this water but then typically what happens is you know D will start the administrative consent order process where you sit down with their lawyers and your lawyers and you come up with a time frame of how you will come into compliance and then you have to follow that path so what are they going to force you to to comply I mean they're going to force you to build a treatment plant they're going to force you to to hire engineers and contractors and do this and and what the bill is the bill is I there not going to be any vote from anybody about it the state is going to say this is what you're going to do and get it done the freedom to solve the problem and you you could you could build a pipeline to MW and you know that's the most expensive option buy it directly from them you could do that um or you you know they're not going to force you to do any one particular thing but they're going to force you to come up with a plan yeah they're going to force yeah and there's not going to there's not going to be any public vote on it they're going to tell you what they want Mone I mean there still will you'll still have to vote like even if you're under consent order you still have to ask the people to appropriate the funding and if they don't usually then what might happens is they might ramp up the ACO to include penalties to have more teeth to it so every day you go beyond that they they they send you a a I don't know what you call it but fine you have to pay them a fine yeah yeah an increase in the in the penalty so so I mean the whole town is sitting on a bomb it's going to happen all the wells are going to fail if we can't get the people to understand what we're trying to deal they already failed and all we're waiting for is the 5year mark and all the wells fail and then there's no water and a sets the state St steps in and says you're going to do this you're going to are you going to have to do this or you got to do something are you're going to start paying fines and then if you don't get it done then you're going to start paying penalties and that's the idea of what we're trying to prevent by moving forward today but I I I agree with you it's you know we we were trying to get ahead of this thing and now we're we're going to be in the we're going to be in the pack so so you missed the wave so you might as well just take a step back and I think the approach we're going to take talk about why don't we meet with whoever we can with residents we open this up to the residents to say listen how do you we've come up with some ideas how do you want to move forward then once we have somewhat of an idea of what our residents want to do to move forward then we can touch Bas with time Bond and say okay put give us a quote for talking to other towns our residents want this this and this for options we've got a year now to go through and have these discussions so but I hate to I I think he has to look at all the options I has to cuz not going to believe why don't we let them come up with all the options no well that's nice they paid for it that's that's where we're kind of we're we're headed in that direction that's right and that's what seems to be happening already so that's so I just given a given the different options I think we've discussed a lot of good options today I think we've discussed what we need to do as far as the uh srf f we're waiting till next July y I think that we finish out the pilot studies that we have going on MH um so we understand on andm and so on I think we we lightly dip our toe in the water so to speak and see about where legitimately other communities are for hookups and what are the what are the what do we have to go over to to do these hookups and have those options I think everybody should be well aware by now that by 2029 if we don't have a plan in place it's going to cost even more money it's going to cost more now no matter what we do yes yep I agree so anyway um I guess we're going to be looking to you L to give us some options on costs associated with yeah some of the things we discussed um well right just I mean not not deep cost but we're gonna we're going to have to be able to go to the the public and vote some of this research I part of this I mean we're if we're going to be asking for some grant funding to recuperate some of the piloting maybe part of that ask is for you know additional planning uh or pre preliminary design work to kind of Advance the ball a little bit what's the time frame on knowing on these um the pilots well when we if we apply for the grants to get the funding for the pilot studies what's the time frame on that so the grants are rolling applications so put it in put it in they look at each application and then they give people money based on the Merit of the application until the funds run out so realistically if we said yes we want to apply for this what's the time frame to get the applications in and when would we possibly funding getting the applications in I think is a fairly straightforward process it's not a huge effort or like August oh no not that long okay I'd say we do that and if we get money back then I I don't know if we need a vote to re then reallocate that money for what we need to do to move forward with planning oh if we get the money to cover like we get the money back we back now let's yeah we get all the money back from what was Kings was the UMP arpa yeah we get the money back we got to go back to the selectman and ask them if we can use that money for more planning right so and we should know that by early fall yeah yeah you would know and then if not we still would have to have a meeting to appropriate funds for more planning that's another thing if you want to appropriate a new piece of land and a new well you still got to have a vote to appropriate the money yeah so you you're going to bang your head on the floor all the way up the line right to the very top it's just going to we we we have to try to look at it as efficiently as we can move as fast as we can but you know what we're up against oh yeah no if we decide to put a well in y we we Auto automatically know we're looking at 5 to 7 years on the short end and millions of dollars right but we already have you know we we we would have to research I think if we're GNA do anything with a well right now we really much we have Zone ones around everything that would be a new law yeah they protect on the town bylaw y so everything's already there and I think we need to look at any potential and all of our existing and see what what's going on cuz there's some Zone ones where there aren't Wells correct that's and when's the last time we looked at that zone one to see if if it's anywhere you know if it's if activities have caused it to be non-compliant so I think we need to look at every one of our Zone ones and see if they're still feasible and compliant so that you know we could use those for future sites and if they are then we need to or and if they're not then we need to make sure that they are compliant because that's the future water supply for the town as the Zone ones we have because there's do you know of you've been here the longest do you know of a Zone one that does not exist in an area where we could have a potential well cuz don't we have one already up where they were going to put the lettuce leaf lettuce thing didn't we put a Zone one up there uh no that there's potential testing locations we wanted to do but those are Bedrock Wells right don't produce as much but they I mean they could but typically you you need treatment on those never mind P I don't really but we currently have Zone ones around only only a couple on best potential one on Goodridge Street y uh and then two on Lake Shirley they're on Peninsula so it's same thing as the HIC rails we only we only have to worry about the the land area doesn't matter what goes in the lake but let's I think we need to maybe consider looking at all of those and the current ones active or not to make sure and you know just because we're not going to use it tomorrow doesn't mean that we don't need to make sure it's protected for the future yes so the one the one on Goodridge Street I know they uh lenzi did a housing project what's that street yeah e so uh the 400 for radius went into people's property so they uh planning board made them put an easement on those on the back of the prop what's what's happening in that 400 foot you know that's what I'm saying is there things that's happening in that 400t do we we need to look at all of them to make sure and if it if it if it's at all a PO potential future water supply spot MH do we need to take action to make sure the 400t radius is protected I I had spoke to that person uh quite a while ago that the one of the owns at I guess he took over the bzy land uh and uh uh he he wasn't really in favor of any kind of water supply but nobody's going to be in favor of putting a well in their backyard get thirsty enough yep but I mean we we have a we have an obligation to supply water to the residents so I think we have to look at every every possible option because as we could see in some of the discussions that happened even though people didn't have the correct information they were saying well why didn't you do this why didn't you try that we you know you know because of years of doing it feasible you know feasibility or not but unfortunately people didn't really you know don't believe what we we tell them so I think I said that a little while ago right so that's but we need to I think we need to be looking at as many options as we can yeah and so people know that we looked at all the options we've already have I think we got to enforce all our Zone ones do you have anything else to add here sorry while we get you so we in agreement you do the Grant and then we use the grant if we we get the grant then we use the grant money to do this study I'm thinking yes but we're going to need to figure out some options MoneyWise and what we need to do yep so that would be the first step that we are going to take at this point is to apply for a grant correct for to reimburse all of the pilot the pilot piloting and you know get additional plan y yep did you cover all your points the only other one that I threw out there um and we don't need an answer tonight but think about uh for Capital strategic Solutions whether or not that factors in going forward at all um they're not our um so we I know we had used the arpa for the public education piece that that public education and I've already reached out to her and it's my understanding I reached out to each commissioner kind of separately we are going to continue services with her through through us um so you know we kind of came up with a plan of just not to exceed price as projects come in and out you know not only with P we've got the the water main project going on so it's our plan to continue having services with her so yep I just want to Circle back on herail and okay can I ask how does how does Capital Trex Solutions affect you it doesn't um I just uh she she reached the end of her contract and she put it out there you know let us know if you know additional Services were were copy yeah I don't a lot no one really knows she coordinated a lot of the the meetings between all of us so she was she was really into this you know in deep on you know coordinating you know every part of it so yeah so we have lot of information and she put a lot of it together to go out and that's I think that's uh a very valuable service to have somebody that puts the information that we have the factual information we have and puts it out in a way to the public cuz I'm you know we're not all as as eloquent as we like to be sometimes and and I I thought that everything that I saw that was posted was fairly was clear and underst understand understandable and um and it and it you know it it really I I understood it I understood it because she put it she put the all right we're gonna hold on we we're going to go down our list here but as far as to finish to finalize with that as far as having Capital strategic for the public education piece which was what we initially brought her on as for that for the arpa funding 110% she did an amazing job yeah she the posts I had we had other towns other water towns calling us like your posts are amazing the posos education that she was able to get out she did a great job so that's why we're looking to continue with other projects but as far as what she was hired to do for this education piece I think she did a great job did a great job she did a wonderful job yes okay um yeah so we'll work on on that uh and yeah we'll talk grants and stuff all the different pieces and components that might go into the future planning I maybe the hydraulic modeling is is part of that part of that Grant application so okay all right perfect uh you know I'm going to skip over number five for right now because we'll go right into Capital Str strategic Solutions while we're talking about it do we need to keep blue if I think we're good I think we're good we'll let you go home thank you appreciate it very much thank you very much for coming in bye uh Mr chair real quick oh yes can I make a motion that we approve the minutes of May 22nd 2024 so that will be a second hi I you don't get the vote on that no you're a chairman now no he didn't get the vote he wasn't here you know we've already reviewed and sign the Ws correct yep okay those can go in the folder all right uh number six here is review review and vote for Capal strategic solutions for Support Services I think I printed them off for you guys but it's basically what I reached out to each before um she instead of having like when she came on with Tha and bond it was this is what I'm going to do for this amount of money you know she planned on so many meetings so many posts so many things right whereas we don't have a specific project that we're doing right now but we have a lot coming up we she did a proposal that just basically said here we're going to be support you whatever you need but it won't exceed you know so much money in a year however you wanted to put it so instead of sitting there and saying you know I still would like to she's going to come in and do a little bit of training so we can continue to have our Facebook post as amazing she going to train me on how to do all that but also you know other things that we're going to talk about we got new water restrictions we need to reach out to people we need to get the word out to everybody that there's new water restrictions coming up the massav watermain project is coming up we're going to need to get in touch with a lot of people so this was just a proposal from her to say we're here this is what we can do you know she's got some pricings for you know she's obviously a senior whatever if it's something small doing other things we can have her the other people in her office do it so so we're not obligated to spend a DME with her through this basically what you're tring to tell so well we would pay I understand yes but no we're not it it it we could do three months and have nothing correct so that's kind of where like you know when this first came about first off she did a fantastic job throughout this whole process that we that we hired for I mean I was I was impressed I mean she has a that is a skill that not a lot of people have and she did phenomenal about that being said as we push forward you know I looked at this and I was I was a little uneasy about it because you know it can get kind of expensive and as we roll through some months and you know if there's not much going on I don't really want to put that burden on the the the water payers to have somebody you know do this that when not needed so I think that was the first one that I had sent you guys was you know $1,000 a month and I'm going to do this this and this and I went back to her and I said no no no no no cuz we're going to have the same thing some e and flows we're going to have like you said 3 months of hope hopefully nothing much but to be able to have her so she just put in a do not exceed $112,000 in a full year don't exceed that amount and and that's more for her for sitting there and saying hey guys you know you've used me a lot but I want to make sure we don't go over it or we get to the year point and we're like yeah we haven't we haven't used her needed her much at all so this is it's more of a service an as needed service which I do feel we will use but we are not committed to this monthly she's going to do two posts she's going to create this this is just more of a we got to reach the public with our um this project help us get the word out to everybody okay so that's what I was thoughts on that Mr Esposito none no thoughts on that Mr Bur um I agree to have her as a as needed basis I think it is a valuable resource I think with the projects that we have coming up between the water main new water restrictions trying to communicate everything that we're going to be trying to do onsp fast stuff I think that um I think it's going to be a valuable resource and I I I would vote to either whether we make it a budget line item for next year's budget but we already voted on next year's budget right already voted on have to it would have to come out of somewhere so if we just did you know right well so this right here what I'm hoping for this this contract and I put it in there obviously I can take it out of one of the warrants was I went through and did our numbers and our maintenance budget we have it in our maintenance budget right now to pay $6,000 out of our maintenance budget so we don't need to have another line item we don't need to do anything like that and then when next year comes around I can do the same thing pull up our budget figure everything out if we need to reallocate or something but right now we can do this this can come out of just our regular maintenance budget okay I would say where we're so close to the end I mean that makes the most sense that we have the money in the budget and next year we may not and and who knows by next year the budget whether we utilize that money or not yeah yep yes okay I'm I'm okay with that and then we kind of see how it goes obviously if we have a larger project that comes down the pipeline and and we're going to need more involvement than we would ask for special you know she said that she had said if something big comes up we'll push this aside and we'll say all right you have this from these days special meeting vote coming out you need this she'll put together a whole different proposal for it so this is just more all right yeah I like this a lot better than the other one where like we're not obligated spend money when we may just go through a summer months of just uh you know nothing much going on I I'm assuming that if it was a $600 $6,000 we take it and and we'd almost be a retainer at this point yes because it's in there it would have to come out of this year's but it would have to be paid before July 1 does she have to get paid first so how would she well it has to come out of our budget before one she didn't need to but I asked her because I went through and did our numbers and we had it in this year's maintenance budget before July 1 I said you could we do an invoice for $6,000 have that like you said as retainer for the year and she said whatever okay you know I think between now and everything that we're trying to do and every uh based on the discussion we just had that you know we'll definitely be using our services before the year end and this is a way to kind of get on the front end of it okay I agree because it's already in the budgets so I would make a motion that we um allocate out of Maintenance $6,000 um to retain the services of capital strategic uh moving forward and then she's going to detail out basically and yeah we can sign this yes and sign and and as part of my motion I would authorize the chairman to sign the um proposal proposal from uh Capital strategic on behalf of the board he second that all those in favor all you can't vote I didn't you can still vote vote he can't make a motion make a motion give him that there you go so then I don't for well but is it FR Angus no we just I just authorized sign so you're on the hook for the money yeah yeah okay moving along Let's uh discuss the massab water main replacement project Okay so that one that actually went well so it was got to the point where we were ready to terminate letter was written ready to ready to end the contract and uh so I called them just to see because uh Mack BR said you know hey I'm not ready to quit yet can can we can we talk to them see what we can do so I'm like well let me try so I I called them I'm like hey can we can we downsize the project and uh you know so we can stay inside a budget and then you know comments went back and forth quite a bit well we don't want to do the toughest part of the job you know and give you the easy part so he's like how about we we sit down Monday morning and let's go over the thing so uh so there's some texting back and forth and stuff and uh we were pretty much in agreement before they even got here so when they came in it was like you know I said uh you know obviously we don't have we only have so much money M and uh I said are you okay with us most doing probably most of the project I said maybe when we get to AR Street may maybe backing off and not going to the end and uh and he says okay so what what what seems to be the issues with the current cuz he he's stuck in a change order yeah because the the mass do permit called for a lot of extra stuff that wasn't in the in the the bidding cor so he had a lot of it uh you know flowable fill into the old pipe uh and then he had ports in the old pipe so he could get the P to flow through it so he he had big numbers at it you know 40,000 for this 40,000 for that and I said well can we can we you know do that to to because as far as I'm aware that me's all off the road so we don't need need to do any of that so can we can we do it break those out to like so much per foot or something like that and he's like he's like if if there's none on the road I said how about we we change it up I said if it's in the road not part of your contract the water district will take take over it he's deal that's it so all those numbers went away perfect and then uh the only one that good job was Paving uh so I told them uh we have to pull the lines across the street or leave the existing lines there tie tie them on to the main talking the services correct the services because some of them were so close that the state want us to pave that that area so we pretty much cut the paving down we definitely going to do Alber Street and so my my thing about Alber Street we don't have to but my thinking with arber street is we get off of the State Road and then W have to deal with these people again I mean they are very very difficult so weren't they going to mle under the roads to do these Services uh they were going to dig them they they don't mle or pull so I I said if you get to the service and I said cuz I'm I'm very Cooperative you know I said you know I told them I'm like I want you guys to leave here and you made money I want us I want us that we got a good job and we didn't you know we didn't pay too much so I said so you get to a service and and you want to us to bring our cable yeah I said we'll do it we we do it all the time he all right so we'll work together I'm like perfect so that's how we ended it up so I'm like so what what do you need us to do and he's like nothing contract's all signed we're going to order the fight so he he says July uh after July 4th they're going to start working at so it went it went well what's the time timeline on it well that was that was one of their other concerns cuz uh Tech wasn't giving them any time for extensions and I said I said I said if you come here and you start working I said you're going to have as much time as you want get this thing done before winter and we're good to go so that's the goal is like before winter yes so I said if if you come in and you start working for you know two or three weeks and you you pack up and head out and go somewhere else I said now now now we're going to enforce that yeah extension sure so it was all it was he's said they were all perfectly clear nope we get here we stay until it's done right good so it it went it went good good awesome I'm excited to actually well I didn't want to see it go back because as again stuff is not getting cheaper that was the exact thinking was that if we we because stantech wanted to toss it and go back out the bid and I I think we went out the bid the price is probably going to go well good job everybody cuz I was leaning on the I didn't like the way this smells but if you guys all get out to Bow together and this works that'll be a that'll be a very big win even though it looked like it should just be like wait just everything's status quo but um oh that's good have you heard anything from stantex uh uh no no I sent them told them that we uh yeah we made a deal and a go and having everything so that that's actually been one of the problems yeah so letters would come from from the the contractor to stantech and and and myself of these concerns you know and then it would take three weeks four weeks to get an answer yeah if at all and then so then now now money start flying back so so I'm getting frustrated thinking it's them and Stant Tech so uh and they're thinking it's us the water district and and stantech and and they're ready to toss it out too so so I think the the key thing here is uh we need to terminate yeah after this is done absolutely yeah they're in charge of this project and then we'll we'll have to reevaluate whether we do another project with them so the one thing I will I am going to try to poster let people know is originally the July 1st bills that are coming out in a couple weeks we're supposed to start that new line item for this project correct well the fact that this has literally been back and forth and at one point we thought was going to be terminated that first the July 1st bill will not have that line item on it yet it will start October 1st when the project is sure we communicate that make sure we put a post together to let them know that this project is moving forward and starting um you won't I can't imagine two people are many people are going to complain that it's not on their July 1 bill but to let people know I've been trying to send Flyers out there been some delays in the project it's happening everything it is happening but it's the first um the first charge won't happen until you thinking to changing that hydrant doing the hydrant down here oh we don't have they're going oh they're going to do it so yeah so I I think and maybe just drop a note to Heather so she can let the board know that we're starting that project or maybe we'll maybe um yeah no you can drop Heather an email I like that idea yeah and I've got a bunch of contacts from the school another yeah so we we'll contact that we've got I've got a few of their uh that is probably maybe one like when does school start you know do they think they'll they' they were pretty they were good about saying and you expressing that this was the one part that was we never block any dropway he said we have steel plates he said we're not worry about the school one bit and they starting at Northfield going that way or starting at the school coming back starting at Northfield okay good any further discussion on that no no all right great job superintendent we like to keep things moving we don't to circle the plane we want to land it h number seven you and vote changes to the Water District's rules and regulations okay so uh the most specific thing is uh water restrictions the the uh Mass DP uh what they call Master Emergency Management uh they have they have a u management plan for water conservation and uh it was passed uh it's now state law at uh certain uh levels of uh when the state it's not just the state it's all the environmentals everybody gets the group gets together and they they determin which reasons regions if there any drought levels so uh mandatory restrictions if there's a level one in W County lenberg must do level one water restrictions so there level one two three and four so all I did was I stuck them as part of our rules and regulations so we have authority to to to cover them so uh the the stuff you have in front of you uh the red is stuff that I wrote that that we could change if you don't like how I word it you want to word it different uh the yellow on the second page that's I just green oh he green uh GRE green uh that that's that's that's in our uh water management act permit the the draft and the from the from the state so the levels of the top and then the bottom part is what is from our water Eng P permanent so that that page is there's nothing there's nothing change there you can't change it right you can say you don't like it but nothing we can do so but the third P this is all state all the all the green is State yes State mandated yes and then uh on the third page I didn't know cuz I did find red I didn't know what you guys want to do finds any fines that's good to me yeah what are what are the fines based on they a daily fine are they a weekly fine they have because you have first offense second offense daily we we go and we notify them uh probably he him stick a letter in their door M and uh they're officially notified and uh is your written warning come back next day the sprinkles the irrigation still gone well here's a 50 mine it's going to be on your bill so if I want to run my system every day it'll cost me $50 the first day I run it or $50 a day until well 50 the first day yeah 100 the next time we catch you 500 the next time we catch you then multiples of 500 I I I would probably put in the air something to do with like daily finds at word you know daily we have to figure yeah we just have to if somebody says oh I'm going to run my irrigation system that's going to cost me 50 bucks and I've heard from other towns that the people pay the yeah just to run the irrigation oh yeah like I like my lawn but what do do other communities have a scale similar to this or what I'm not sure what what they have for their scale but most of them have FS yeah I want to say a couple years ago when air when I was familiar with them a little bit um theirs I think were similar to this um because they were and they were paying someone overtime to to drive around in the middle of the night because they were that because they that that wasn't the state telling them water restriction they had because they were new to the posos thing so they were going around and having to so a level one so I can be clear level one is mild drought one day perek frequent watering after 5:00 p.m. and before 9 to minimize evaporative loss does that go on under the would automatic sprinkler systems fall under that so that's where this restricted non-essential outdoor water use is falls under a level one uh yes yes so like the first one you you can uh non-essential uh that all restrictions TI to non-essential use so on the level one means you can do non-essential one day a week so you can run your irrigation system one day a weeking a swimming I'm not going to lie no one's going to listen to it but no put it out there y well this is all this is all we have to look put out it's all this is all brought from the state yes yeah we can't we can't say not we have to make it public uh how much you want to enforce it call and this is not enforcable for private Wells or anything oh no uh well our new permit which is draft right now it it's asking us to send that to the town to make that part of the water Health that any restrictions apply to that the state comes out with must be enforced by the wells also by the wells but who enfor forces that I'm not sure all I all I have to do because we're a water this all I have to do is ask for it send it to the town this is what I'm requesting and that's all I have to do is request it and they don't have to approve it no no nobody's going to listen everybody's still going to use their private Wells they're all going to suck out of the lake so you really you really should I mean well it's still groundwater level one okay that that's not that that's a pretty pretty normal but uh when you get three it's pretty critical when you look at historical obviously the last two years have we even been to a level one in the last two years with all the moisture we've had I I don't think last year I think some areas did last year not not not this area oh we got nine inches of rain but uh but I would I would say level one is pretty common yeah two years ago we had a three years ago very drym so the guy put oh we don't put them in anymore we just maintain them we do put them in but yeah so if you guys are good for it I just need I have like a full rules R you guys want to take it twe take it and I think the thing I want to just kind of look at is like the daily I I just want to add that to clarify the finds a little bit daily findes so yeah let's how do other communities do they do it daily maybe looking a little bit because maybe somebody says you know what you know run my system it'll cost me 50 bucks this year run my system it'll cost me 100 bucks next year okay uh run my I mean that's how do how do how do they gauge okay all right I'll put it on for the next one to because we do need to according to them um um post it sure to let the public know that that's when it's enforceable so okay okay uh moving along discussion regarding Slack's public records request what do we want to do with this put in the round file I think we got more important things um I agree 100% I think I still don't I still don't agree oh I'm not saying that at all uh you know I'm not I agree I the way the whole the way the way the whole thing rolled out and everything but at at this time we got bigger this what's the line to gain yeah what are we going to gain on there's no we can prove that we're right but it's what we'll still lose you know what I'm saying all right so we're just going to sash that yep with nothing to they responded that they don't need to so we're just let they expire okay commissioner superintendent clerk treasure auditions I had something I can't think of what it was um oh um I had requested and I hadn't talked to Fran about this yet but I had requested it through uh chrisy to Fran I think that the um article that the planning board had um to bring Zone one two and three in line with what D recommends at the state level um I know it got torpedoed because of um other people's opinions I'd like to try to get together with the I believe the intrum planning coordinator is still sticking around and and um Fran and possibly reach out to the interested parties to see if we can't come to something so that it's all complete uh I spoke with Mr keading about it he was talking about maybe just trying to get to Zone one and zone two and just leave Zone one alone I think they were almost there at their last meeting um I think that everybody had their input um I think there are a couple things that probably um were discussed that really have no place in it but I have no problem with Zone one staying the same way it's worded now mhm there's I have no issue with that whatsoever um I think the zone two and zone three will allow certain things in areas of town that we want to see development to help bring the tax base up for the community I mean we could definitely always going to need more money um so I I felt that if it was under I didn't think there was much issue with Zone twos and Zone threes there were a couple things um that I heard floating around and that's why I wanted to have this meeting to get together I heard no treatment in zone one which we already currently treat in zone one and D allows and no treatment in zone two without special permit so this is my question to you Fran if we build any sort of a structure like when we built this place did we have to go to the planning board and discuss and show at least show them the plan and yes so if we build a treatment plant anywhere are we still going to have to go to the planning board and discuss it with them oh yeah okay so I don't see a need if it's allowable we're still going to have to meet with the planning board whether we build any of these structures why we would need to restrict treatment in zone one or zone two and especially where we already treat in zone one and it's allowable if we if we one of my reasons Bey behind that is if we have to treat outside of the zone 2 it's going to significantly impact the costs associated with treatment so it doesn't make sense if it's allowable and we can do it and it's you know obviously we have to go through a process everybody's going to be involved at it they're going to have their two cents we still got to go to planning anyway right if people have issue they can go to planning the whole the whole intent of the Zone Zone one zone two is to protect the water supply so if you're put it in a treatment plant you're making the water supply better better so that has nothing to do with the intent of this so to me yeah that's that ain't going leave it as it is right so that's what I wanted to try to do is get together with the because the planning coordinator the last meeting that I saw he basically said this really doesn't change anything but I understand that there was a um an attorney that said that uh from a the I believe it was the woodlands that said that don't change the Zone one because if you change the wording you'll never get it back so okay great let's leave the wording the way it is because it doesn't really affect us in any way shape or it has nothing to do with us right no we still land area we can do whatever we want right so I I would just I would leave it as as it is yeah they can put whatever they want you know so um I'd like to try to move forward with that and try to meet with the plan I I had sent emails and and I've never got responses so but I don't know if you there is there is a new and it may if I have to get uh if I have to go up and see them I believe there was a new Administrative Assistant for the planning coordinator that is an inim planning coordinator that is part-time only works on Sunday yes but I I'm an agree let's you know let's let's wrap this up and get get it done yeah I AG yeah so uh I will I'll try to plug forward on that um I didn't I was not able to make it to the last planning meeting but you know see what we can do uh for I think fall town meeting I think we can do something with that that was what I had El uh old business we had keing pilot study and Lancaster app pilot study which I believe that we Lancaster is done on the pilot testing uh I think they just have to do the uh will they send the the the me yeah send out told uh and keing is St I think next week good public comment it's okay we hey I'm happy you showed up somebody came to our meeting you feel important y I'll take a motion to adjourn oh so moved have a good night