##VIDEO ID:NYTOkSZV88w## okay all right we good welcome everybody today is uh say 25th of September oh yeah right there water district commissioner's meeting agenda to start by saying pledge of Alle to the flag United States of America to the Republic for it stands nation under God indivisible liy and justice for okay uh you and sign warrants they are being passed around um we also have some minutes being passed around um I wasn't here so right there one you can sign and there's one I can't sign the 11th September 11th one so which one is that one's this one I can Mr Woodward Mr oh this is the one you get that's and that's was just the attachment Mr chair I would uh make a motion we accept the minutes of September 11th second no he doesn't second he wasn't here so it's basically just us saying yes yes so works for me Y and I just want to read this for a couple minutes take time go for it boys well I mean we can move on John's reading that the next thing we get is discuss the rised uh past master plan which is pretty much what we kind of hatched up quite a bit on the last meeting as far as I believe that we left that we kind of Le that in time Bond we said we kind of wait to get some more information back from them so yes we did we talked to little at i b and uh he he he kind of feels the the same as the the residents had of concerns that you know may maybe we do hold off and wait to We All We Gather all the information sure and then we can present uh more more details you know as request uh he did agree though that we're still going to submit the grant get the grant maybe he he'll modify that proposal so it it can kind of touch into some of more the detailed stuff but uh yeah he he uh so we'll shoot for the grant see how it goes and if not we wait till the P testing sure so he he he said you know that the original opinion from the beginning was keing is going to be the the the best but not now he's like he said we're looking at probably 3,000 gallons of waste a week you know and I don't know what that you know we need more details yeah let's get yeah before we even make speculations let's get the data back and then we can sit down and uh start comparing Apples to Apples and seeing what what the best move forward is yeah I agree after that yeah so the pile testing we we have to have the skater guy come in today okay uh sorry yesterday and uh put a an outlet plug for the P testing to use so when the pump is on that activates a chemical pump event so we we had to tie it in someone run you know run run up it so so we uh the skater guy put that in yesterday and uh so things are moving ahead to get get that going and that'll be done without the removal of the hotness correct so this will be a this is dp's big thing take we're going to plug the filters so we don't know until we try yeah and this is part of the P testing so if we do plug the filters then we know we need to deal with the hardness prior to that so just in curiously talking to Lou and those guys I mean we're not the only one with hardness and water uh did he offer any you know knowledge on that it's actually pretty rare in the England really there's only a couple SP I believe westfit has one of their Wells and they just did a pilot test up in Maine that's what they they're taking this equipment from test good Main and moving it to tover so but it's it's it's not very common okay and I never and usually when we do well testing you know you look at iron and mnes and bacteria pretty much that's it so when this one came back high in the hotness yeah and then then when we turned it on then we started seeing the complaints yeah it was it was a wake up so we're looking at that the hardness the the amount of hardness we have in the water could contaminate the removal of the past if we don't deal with the hardness first but if we deal with the hardness first we're creating 3,000 gallons of byproduct a week that is now contaminated with pasas correct I didn't think about the pee pass P passing yeah if you if you're letting it go if you're dealing with the hardness first there's still p in the water so you're generating 3,000 gallons of waste that now has whatever parts per million or trillion of pasas in it so now we're talking about getting rid of 3,000 gallons of week of contaminated waste yeah versus 3,000 Gall a week of past free brine that what what do they typically do with that brine if it's doesn't have past in it um I'm I'm not sure he he mentioned something about you dried it out you could use as a road Sal so we're going to have to have some sort of a processor it's got to go somewhere and at least it's not doesn't have P fast in right but we pluging up our filters yeah yeah it's so I mean yeah it's uh let's see what they say cuz I'm very curious as to the uh the approach to this uh of what is what's going to happen well we'll see and this is many months so we we it's going to be a long time before we know right unless it fails quickly all right that we'll move on uh commissioner superintendent uh I just got water St yeah how's that going it's going good we can see the end uh pressure tested the first section from North Road to Townsen Harbor that that was perfect uh never never dropped any any pressure for the test uh we coronated it and uh just today we we moved the chlorinated water to the next section which up to arber Street uh we we've been it's been kind of difficult because typically you flush and do your samples but they haven't had they skip the Hy they just put the BS in and did the main line so now they went back in stuck on a hydron at the uh they Pro is the puppet data mhm so they just stuck that in yesterday so now now that we have a spot we can actually flush so uh once we get flushing then we can uh start doing some water quality so once we pass a bacteria test say in the first section then they can start doing the services yeah so just I'm just kind of curious again why what was the reasoning for going into tying into like the curb stop like they did versus running a temporary line to their HST bib outside their house like oh oh because uh the new hose bibs a backflow aaps so if you if you tie it into it they the water won't flow through see if they have like a frost free valve or something like I gotta so so with that that was one issue and then we have such high pressure 120 130 so now now there's no pressure reducing that so it was there was one house we the service wasn't uh mocked correctly we thought it was on the the live man but it actually came off the AUST street main so AUST Street was shut off so we could do the new hybrid stuff so it was we tried tiing into the outside closet didn't work and I'm like this was like like 4:00 in the afternoon I'm like we're talking half hour to dig this up tie into the thing and we did it and it was quick and uh so then we started thinking so we started looking at other houses tring them on and we we couldn't yeah so I was like let's just dig them up done so and then on the money side of stuff it's good cuz all the water went through the meters so we still still going to build it went to Temporary side then thinking thinking get fill up oh you buy Bass the slip that that's not a big deal yeah so we can see the end so Pro probably depending on the weather tomorrow I would say if if it's okay weather tomorrow I think by Friday uh the main line is done they just went by a conell drive y so uh the end is there so get they'll get that charge it test it and once that tests up good then they just start going back and tying in each one so I I don't I think the way the process will go so it's going to take time to get the the bacteria results and the flushing uh so I think what they'll do is while that's taking place they'll go back and start hot topping okay kind of finalizing theot stuff cleaning up stuff like that I should have follow up with the mass stff bills come out next week October 1st yep and we've been sending notices all kinds of Flyers but the this October 1 bill is going to did that Happ $25 charge per per connection so if you have a two family home you're going to get two connection two $25 fees um so it's per connection so like when you send it to like a multi-unit that has one connection like the highrises at Emerald they're going to get 2024 24 yep good yep so I'm sure we'll get the phone calls but just to put the word out yeah on the good side because we had a budget number that was based on one of those fees per connection not right so so the actual number will be less which get so it'll probably be cuz I think we did I I'll talk to UniBank again because I know we had originally yeah done everything because of the timing um with the temporary borrowing so I'll talk to him again when we get closer to the end date but uh I think we had figured out originally the six month or whatever it was so it was like February so either way it's definitely October billing most likely January bill will see the 25 but then once we get the final bond issue and we have that exact amount we'll divide that by all that and then people will see that change on the bills do we expect any cost changes from MDR or is that pretty solid um I think it my guess is going to be on the budget you know cuz in in the budget you know they have you know 50 odds of of lit that that's in there so you total that whole number and then we had the contingency number which we carried so I think uh I mean we we could touch into the contingency a little bit because the little things kind of didn't go as perfect but but I think I think we should be at or under budget good so do do we want that so now this was our first media reading with that uh Neptune 360 the new new system so I mean uh we have our little uh reader has an nna on it and then you could use your phone iPad whatever you want to log in with uh there are they call them belt clip readers so you don't need to do that whole thing so I I called and I thought they were going to be cheap cuz I thought it'd be great we had two of them if just leave a truck she calls he go get a final get the app on your phone go read your meter and uh so I called them got prices and they were over $7,000 a piece I'm like yeah you can keep those I'm not spending 7,000 because we already got the the main unit and I questioned him also on uh a main Hub reader so if I stuck a a main reader at the Sunny Hill tank right yeah you know uh we we could probably read 90% of town just by by City you know so did he get you a price he's working on a price okay you know I told him why you know about price no no no I was going to say because keep in mind like what I didn't know what the price was going to be if it's not like astronomical that would be a huge sa like cuz I mean we have people that call I had someone that called yesterday there's no way my final bill is this much I'm like all right let me go so I the guys were still out so I went and data read it I've only been watering first thing in the morning not even 20 minutes I'm like nope you watered at 7:00 a.m. at noon and at 7:00 p.m. for a month straight I said I and you can go down literally to the hour so to be able to not have to pack this whole thing up grab it I'll be back drive down there and be able to be like hang on I'll tell you exactly when you ran water you know be nice he he said they have a price that's the full install the antenna the cable and I said we could do all that so he said that would be a lot cheaper for us to do it so they will they I throw a kink in how they typically Sy stuff so because if if we do the new radio stuff that I'd like to do we already have the intended cable update you know we just swap to meter aner instead of regular anners I think it would also be helpful too for people that might have leaks or you just live like hey you know and that's something with these new radios as like this quarter we just went out and I print my report and there was probably 20 no reads which means the radios so there now it's all these new radios that can data log so as we can do that I can go into this 360 now click a button and say print me a report of you know go in and do a data log like this yeah if anything it'll pick up from here it'll then shoot me a report and I can call them be like hey you got something going on before the bill comes out like oh my God this is I think also in the past with people that come in with leaks I I get it even if you had rental property you can see someone's using water the list goes on and on so that' be great yeah well the resident that was in complaint about his bill we tested his meter and stuff yeah yeah we could clear we datalog to him you could clearly see how he runs Iration yeah and it did pass I don't know if we ever told it the meter pass the meter passed yeah 99% which if anything less it would have gone anything less than the 100 just means it would have gone slower right yeah so lost lost to us yeah so I did talk to him and he's he's been good good good quick question on the radios how are you making out with the new radios remember you wanted to get new radios oh for the for the communication y uh yeah our system I don't know if I got struck by lighting something happened so we we're we have a tempor temporary radio system up there now and uh so I've been speaking with the fire chief yeah and uh they they're looking to upgrading their their whole radio system so that's why I talked to uh their radio guy who's on the state bid and uh so we're looking at uh coordinating our our work and doing it together okay and it could be a financial benefit because the the the the filters that go go in place if if we jump in and we all filter and work together then the communications won't interfere with each other like like they do now so yeah so we're working okay there was a little Jam there but we won't get into it yeah so we're right now we're just on the Sunny Hill tank we don't it doesn't work as good as the old one did but I think when we do a new new one we'll look at it you know the whole town it'll be a good thing okay any other public comment no I just still sorry I still have something on sorry just curious cou I had a couple questions for the superintendent regarding the um the planning board voted passed the water protection bylaw um you sent them a new map I sent them the original map that was requested in with the just the leg on Kil Street okay so do we have this does it this isn't current then correct that's the approved Zone to this is the approved but where are the uh yeah that's that's mostly a distribution map right so do we have a map that we can either have post or put online that shows where all the Zone one protections are the additional Zone did they approve the the extra one that like shle they according to there's a map that I'm assuming you gave them to go along with this um bylaw update that they're supposed to be voting on at the same time I believe it was a 2021 yes but he emailed Logan and told them yes there's this map but I asked you to incorporate sorry go incorporate it you're doing good yeah so so there's the the original zoning map that was approved in 2009 MH that includes the Zone one twos and threes yes of Lun Wells also Townsen Shirley and the potential well sites on two of them on Lake Shirley and one of them on good rid street so those had a 400t radius around them to protect them right so that was what I questioned Logan I said I I I spoke to that at one of the previous meetings that you know I would like to protect us again on the new map so I sent them the the new map with just for lunar with a little leg on Kil Street and I said I'm also attaching the old map which shows the the protective ones around at the lake so so I'm I'd like to make sure that they have a map of the things that you would like to protect to go along with the you know the a a map that they can take to town meeting and say this is the map we're voting on okay so all right and so if it's up to you guys decide but if it's up to me I want those protective races I was I was under the impression that you were going back to the 2009 map that already had those on there and adding the zone to because of the upgrades that we did in the on lancast R to that map which still had everything that you wanted protected so I want to make sure that we have a copy that we can show to the public and give to the planning board this is the map we're voting on I can do that J can put that up quickly so that I just wanted to be clear on that um and I believe their next step is they're sending it to the select board or to send it for town meeting so they have to have an official public hearing note correct that wasn't last night was it that was last night they had that they voted to move that forward I wanted to make sure they had a correct map with that because they did reference the map when they talked about the so if if I can add to that Mr bur they referenced the July 2021 map right so if what Mr B is saying is if your map is different than that then there may be another step so sooner is probably better right that if we wanted to keep those other other protections that were on the 2009 map that we took off in the 21 map and we want to have a map that they submit with this whole bylaw that that goes with what you know our intentions are yeah I agree there's been a lot of question about that map I would definitely like to make a solid solidified that this is exactly the map attached to this proposal or whatever they're calling it because there's been so many different copies of that bylaw and so many modifications to the bylaw yeah we what and then can we get a copy of what they are submitting as a bylaw without the markups so this this whole thing was mostly on the wording of the bylaw never we never really discussed the that right but it's been it's been it's easy enough for us they decided that they brought up the map at the meeting that's that's where I would like listen if they if they brought up a map make sure they have the right map I'll get them I have two maps one without it and one with the protection and you guys can you say you want the protected I want I I every available site that we have looked at in the past past that could be a a viable site and that they were protected before you want to protect I want to protected now absolutely so all right so I'll have that this is what the water district would like to have again if I if I can add I I think if you use whatever that July 2021 map was if it doesn't have what you want then I think you need to be specific and say it does not have these things they should be added right because if not we're going to be exactly where we are which is not KN what map to use right right so the 2021 map was um never voted and approved okay it was not so it was voted on and not approved so what I would like to go back to is the 2009 map with the one addition that we needed to have we needed to add on to a zone two because of work that was done on Wells on Lancaster app and that was that was recommended by D as something that we we had to include in our map so I would like to go back to the 2009 map but adding the the the leg that is in the 2021 map and I don't if the if that means the creation of a 2024 map then I'm fine with I'd love to have a 2024 updated version all other verions are obsolete that is D approval and that way you're going to the when you look at a 202 before version it's not a well let's take the 2021 version and and merge it with the 2009 version and take the the the acts of Artic the newest map I do yeah I think that would be the easiest way uh for them to reference it because it's a it's a new article in bylaw that they're putting through and they they did add that the map came from D so if it's with your influence or whatever what however that happens but yep that is it seems like it's part of the process y so that's all just making sure that it's clean and that we get a a final copy of their bylaw so we can we can look we can look through it and you know it didn't seem like they had a final copy at that they they have a they had an i they had a idea of what they wanted but I don't think they had a final copy to that they actually voted on I I agree I they closed I think they voted on concept right they closed public com basically at that meeting and just went through their legal right I don't think there's a final so I just want to make sure we have a final and a final Point final final final final Final note I think that's all I have for this even just got one more thing I just want to mention mention that the new dump truck I've been trying to get pricing on uh wonderful state of Massachusetts you cannot you cannot get diesels anymore so I I saw all kinds of stuff getting posted everywhere and so I started actually reading about it and if the manufacturer can meet a certain rein the percentage of electric ones then you can buy then you can you could sell diesel and from when I got four Dodge they're not going to do it so you can't buy four to dodge 2025 model so so the pricing we're going to be getting is on the gas so awesome can we get an electric yeah you czy yeah I'd love to see how that's going electric but I haven't seen any electric Town vehicles yet either don't worry we are drifting I'm not I'm sorry sorry yes I'd love to talk about that with said something you know you get anything no okay I'm all set any additional public own yes I got a couple so there is a written document which is what they were talking about the other night have you seen that or not you're welcome have this not a final copy that they have sent I wouldn't mind to copy that if we could grab that take copy n that's the one that that's what they were talking talking to Okay so and that's the one that Mr Harris had provided whatever after the meeting the last meeting that he was at so I have a couple of questions as well um you talked about the fee increasing $25 next month per household per household leges per connection no not per connection because one connection could have multiple households look at friend you'll P per per unit yeah per unit not per connection so the $25 is that my all of that money per unit however it's broken up whatever going towards the loan for what's going on on mass all of that is going nothing set aside for anything else it's all going to whatever that final bill comes to then we're going to give the exact number for it so that's going to be specific just for that pain sold for that and on the bill it's going to say this fee is for this project line item yes it's it's lined up when you see your water you know you have your minimum your tier one your tier two I I should have a proof actually just got an email to me the proofs so I should see I made them try to do you know watermain project so then once we get the final Bond I'll put you know waterm project 2025 to 2045 so everybody knows this is your 20-year loan and you're going to pay this amount for the next 20 years and that's exactly what it's going to go to okay thank you second question so driving here tonight seeing the bits and pieces of pipe that are sitting out in front of the work area um the water pipe that's come out of the ground to me that looks look horrible which is why it's being replaced obviously is there a lot more like that in town why why did we do that before other areas I'm I'm kind of curious versus how big is this problem clearly that's been a problem I know you guys have worked on that forever you know I've been replacing it pieces and things like that but I'm more Curious of what does the rest of the Town look like is it all like that is some of it like that I would say a majority of the town probably more than half is that BR that type of pipe uh that that section we have we have all sections of that pipe that is perfectly fine no issues at all uh that section on massab it's it was an issue I don't know if any reason why did you know it uh not no no I mean I know Jeff's worked on that a million times right you taking it up at night or whatever it's it's been a lot of problems so we've had areas like like I remember it was probably 10 years ago we had a a Broken Man on White Street same same pip never had a Bram on White Street ever since I was here and then it was like two a year three a year and it was like this this getting out of control and uh so we ended up replacing that with two so I mean we this could be another Street like rowing in the same pipe that that needs to go that's that's always on the the top of list it's right actually right on the mass half so that'll probably be the next project so but I mean but you never know what what could be a whole same on a different street so well so the the piping just I could further I know I know where you're going I think I know where you're going with this how old's the system 1939 so I'm horrible with math 94 years 95 what is the life expectancy of the pipe that was put in the ground when it was put in there you're asking questions you don't want to answers to I know I know the answers and this is going to go directly to what Mr Fortune is talking about but that type of pipe that is the concern that the life expecting was 50 is so we we've we've well exceeded the expectancy of some of the the life of this pipe and I think exactly what you're saying and what Fran's saying is when we're done on massav is there going to be another area yeah more than likely and when we fix that area is there going to be another area more than likely because we've exceeded the life expectancy of the of the pipe that's in the ground so clearly in 1939 all the pipe wasn't put in right some portions of the pipe were put in and they were added over time whatever I assume some of that historical data is available so you know if some of it is really 50 years old or some it's 80 years old or 90 years old or whatever assume that information so you can kind of guess where it may go next because you mentioned also it's a certain type of pipe uh correct it's uh yeah it's a transite pipe it's like a cement paper you know yeah um yeah but but the main trunk the main system was installed 1939 that was massab all the main Lin so all of them okay so they all were done in the same year but but then like certain streets like like Pleasant Street was done in like that coni 1940 you know so so but everything's pretty close to that oh interesting but there were little little extensions here and there but uh the the main system was you know mostly put in in those first few years so the pipe we put in now there's different there plastic pipe and then there duct lion uh we we use duck liion pipe now which has a life expectation of 100 years and they just came out with a pipe different version of the pipe uh it's probably four or five years ago zinc coated so it's a galvanized so they they coat the outside of the pipe and uh that doubles the life expect the now the new pipe we're putting is is expected less 200 years and that extra cost for that zinc coating I think it was like a dollar a foot so it's nothing nothing huge and I don't think anybody even makes pipe now that's not s coed so a lot of time with the the duct line pipe it's cement lined inside so that treats the water so it doesn't uh affect the the Integrity of the pipe from the inside and now with the zinc coating around the outside it's protected from the outside so it was either either when you're lay your water man you either uh zinc coat it or you wrap it in plastic and uh the zinc coating just was the simplest easiest way so so Mr B's observations were correct because the next question is going to be do we have a master plan to replace this pipe right and and how are we funding that uh yeah that that was so you dive it this is all the plan of the Lancaster when we're going to make B loads of money in Lancaster that was going to fund that master plan so we have a master plan it's not that we're not looking at you know oh my god let's just wait and see what comes up next uh there was a master plan done when was that done back in that probably 10 years ago now yeah so 10 or 15 years ago a master plan was done telling and and it it analyzed the system what areas should be replaced and the cost of of replacing these areas obviously if we don't have the funding we can't do this so Fran takes that Master Plan takes where we have areas of of town that we're having the most water main brakes uh and and the the age of the pipe and and takes all that into consider ation and we've basically been kind of focusing on no so we're not necessarily being proactive because we don't have the funding to be proactive and I thought the master plan back then was millions millions so and it's it's just not uh it's not feasible to you know why why replace stuff that is working so we've kind of been just focusing on the stuff that's been that the problem areas as those are failing and and correcting those and then move move on to the next versus we could replace a line that's on that master plan and we might not need it might not have been needed yeah no problem with 20 so so what everything that we we're doing like Mass app is on the master plan yes but but maybe there was another Street above it and because of all the problems we we moved it up the list right but they're all so that would have to be reevaluated at some point in the future if and I I would probably support that if we had the support to fund replacing all the piping but we don't we don't have anything for that so that's that's kind of the route that that we've been going we did apply it was three years ago srf funding to to to replace the law of this pipe but uh it wasn't approved a lot of it was uh system upgrades like be Street uh that's an interconnecting Loop between the the two tanks that's only a 6in main that should be a 12in main so we that was one of the sections uh Lancaster a uh that's 8 in pipe Main feed from the wells and and kings that that should be a 12in pipe we've had a few breaks on that one so that that's probably a potential area that will be next right off for Rolling acas so uh which rolling an is is a high priority you know that that's one I want to do in-house and uh I've been trying to do it for like the last three years but every time like we we get our staff to do it uh people start leaving and then I can't do it with with two new guys so so any so I think maybe next year that's something we could probably not do the whole thing sure but maybe come off a Lancaster R and get the metal lane and then maybe maybe do metal Lane next year we don't really have problem up in the top section so uh forg got the metal Lane got uh R get two metal Lane and metal LAN I think uh you know we we did the the the highest problem section so so that's kind of how we you know we've been it's it's on our minds and it's something that we discuss frequently and and just go to the next to the next spot and do the best we can I guess obviously everybody's concern yours is included I'm sure it's that this the $25 that we're going to spend for for 20 years is probably not all of it right there's more that's going to be spent over the next 20 years and I think people need to know that you know based on what you're saying today is it's not kind of one and done that's just just one right and there more yeah but I I mean I like fr's idea obviously if you guys can do it from here it's certainly going to be huge we just couldn't do Mass AB with something that we couldn't we couldn't touch for for our stand yeah yeah that makes sense I mean a couple years ago you guys did was it Maple Park map Park Park we the debt in house and then then it was the next year we did that little section of White Street and the cost just to engineer a white Street cuz we had to go to official bid the engineering cost more than it did for us to do the whole uh mid plack which was twice the distance so so for us that doing in house huge things yeah yeah once you have to go out the bid then you talked about engineering and prevailing wage prevailing wage and and um the cost of having the engineer involved and a lot of the stuff that that uh they can do in house here they don't need all they don't have to meet all those requirements so on on that the bill where we're doing that separate line from that waterm I was at a uh a rate survey a class on on water rates and generating revenue and stuff like that and uh I think it was the town of Acton that this is how they do it and they had lion items for whatever it is so they said it was perfect when they go for funding you know they want to approve the money to to do this project and that's when they go to the people hey it's going to cost you $7 a quarter but they're much bigger than us they probably $14 a qu so but they they had that actual number so the people could vote this is what it's going to be the impact of my bill is going to be this yeah and they they could do a legit vote you know to see the their impact so I kind of I I kind of like the way this is you know I like yeah I very much like the way I think this is going to be good for tracking yeah you know I can look exactly with my bills right now and I can figure out normally I can see per book like we have the 14 books 14 Roots now I can go in and I can figure out single family homes pulled in this much commercial pulled in this you know like we'll be able to per thing I'll be able to see it so the follow what you were saying I've been reading we get the emails Mass Waterworks American Waterworks all of that that we're not out of the ordinary for aging infrastructure that that is a huge huge topic and then the problem is is that the funding if we didn't have posos a lot of that funding would be going to everybody's aging infrastructure but now that's kind of pushed to the side and posos is up there so it's it's tough there there's a lot of talk from the higher ups on how do we address both because this actually I had a class last Wednesday this this came up you know the the M DP was the the guy who does the srf program and like well you know we we we have a lot of watermain infrastructure that we would like to replace is any funding going to be for that and uh he he said it's got to be something pretty critical for it to get moved up the list because you get points for for the a critical the critical needs of it and so in in our case let's say we did a past treatment plant and we said okay we need to tie the water M on Lancaster AB to get the extra FL we we could probably sneak that in there but he says we we look at all that stuff he says we we can see ex we can seeff you add it he's going to see like no that's a separate s so so mean so we we could tweak the little stuff maybe you're definitely going to try yeah a lot of people are struggling with that systems anything else Mr good points yeah it's not we discuss it often um and it is it is good that uh people think about it I mean the bottom line is you know if it's a 1939 built system and over the years we replaced basically you know you could say as needed cuz we're not going to go dig up a line that's been working but you're right I'd love to have all new pipes in town but it's it's not possible and it's us to it's kind of like a management thing like we have to like France said we're going to pull this one up and we put this next and yeah not not all do the room though you know we don't have any lead in any of our services or anything so you know there are there are positives to the system yep so so all right great I'd accept a motion to adjourn so move oh well real quick uh I'll do a motion to accept the minutes of uh 28 oh thank you you can't say you can say yes okay we're done now