##VIDEO ID:HLCGbenwdss## January 15th and I will call the finance committee meeting this meeting is being recorded I have with me in the room from the finance committee Tom Parkins Dean Peter Twi Andy old Clayton and myself Sarah Mel I also have in the room the Town Administrator grg federspiel and the members from Public Safety the Harbor Master bi Pike the police chief chief and Lieutenant m m so the first thing on the agenda is the review of the fiscal year 25 Q2 report did people have a chance to take a look at that um did people have specific questions concerns at Le over time over time over time yeah I sorry to be a broken record I was hoping that when we we talk with the police chief and the fire chief and when we do their budgets we can get some input from them as to reality for and where we stand for this yeah never seems to no it's a problem yeah it's a problem um anything else people yeah I was curious about under education yeah uh I think it's the NorthShore F Tech which is what I call it yeah it's 75% of the budget expended is that because of some way they fund is the timing of the bill the that happen we must pay quarterly yeah May in advance this is a 1231 so we have more okay well um the thing I noticed and I might have misre it but it looked to me like we had not yet funded the oped contribution and normally I thought we did that in July to get the additional earnings but it didn't have anything in the actual column so I'm assuming that meant we hadn't done it that's a check okay we usually do that right up front yeah that's what I thought okay yeah so if you can make a note the other thing is I notic that we've not yet spent the million for the senior center yeah and I'm wondering when I thought that closing date was going to be in October and I'm wondering if we haven't closed on it yet yeah um close final form with pns okay so hopefully pns is signed by the end of this month closing follow is there any Financial impact on the delay um and I have a question on the Harbor but I'll wait until we get to the harbor conversation yeah um and then the only other thing I wanted to confirm is I did notice that the library did not get that Grant so I just wanted to confirm that that 150 would be going into free cash at the end of this fisal right could be re appropriated at the time oh rather have it Go in can it be appropriate at this meeting I thought had to wait until it get certified no you can appropriate you could use it to do yes so window what I think the windows we're looking at doing this year yeah I just don't want it we kept in liary budget for purposes because we had that 250 for the ad Ada there for several years okay anybody else have anything on the qu okay well one thing that's a little bit concerning and I guess it makes sense but the uh the meal revenues running under yeah so um but I guess I mean two restaurants closed that would make sense but um there's one case where we weren't over conservative right yeah anybody ask your question about the uh investment income I know Tom you're on this so wow uh it's just so different so that's going to be an allocation ISS I mean I watched your correspondence and I'm not quite sure I understand what we're well I'm trying to get a handle on how the money is being invested get some sort of you know probability expected return kind of calculations on simple ma we do p and I were just talking about growing quarter averages or something to give us a better handle on because the Delta is PR it's all good news so this is I'm not compl has to help with our projections for next year do like a five year average what yeah whatever makes sense depends on inform get she was talking to theas they produced for us yeah the treasurer produced for us a list of all the assets yeah I remember seeing that it was quite some time ago and maybe she only gets it once a year or something I don't know wa see what I get access to time oh okay yeah so I don't know if they don't fully understand what you're looking for but I think okay yeah so you know when the George butam J off we had spent a lot of time on the investment you know guideline yeah we ever take a look at that but we may want to periodically you know sort of like we do with Dan Sherman yeah minimum at least once yeah together investment policy is pretty loose you know I mean talk about predominantly CDs and interest bearing type things and nothing with high you know it was more duration Ori other things it was a long time ago that we did it it was the first one we ever had right and I don't believe we've ever made an adjustment to it years AG that or can you tell me where to find it I mean like to read it myself I'll see for the I'm sure we have it because the Auditors would let us get through a year without something oh no we have it it's just yeah I'm I'm thinking it's so old that it's not on this laptop yeah okay well I I don't think I've ever seen it that was quite a to do with okay okay the other thing we were going to touch on is again if we're ready is establishing the revenue projection formula have people thought about that anymore or we need more time or I know the investment we decided we keep that separate from the general assumption we use I I like your suggestion of like a percentage of the previous year um but there might be certain outliers to that you know but General people we start with that restaurants knowing that there's too close we might want to bump that down like V excise is always low we might want to bump that up you know one time adjustments of outliers but the general like 90% of previous act we about 95% wh 95 seem like a reasonable B there're always outliers like beach Revenue depends on the number of sunny days right you know but it's relatively pretty consist consistent except during Co so I'll try EXC I I'll try to take a look at it and see if there looks like there's any outliers from this year and then just try to come up with some type of a document yeah okay yeah now we're on to the fiscal year 26 Harbor budget no that's police4 47 so do you have anything to say about the operating budget p uh not really just cut the salaries just drop it money surprised me was that the deputy Harbor Master came in so much higher than what was budgeted it was a different start salary right it was a different it was a different start salary so bring the person um that was just a negotiation got $10,000 yeah which is a high percentage I I thought it was five and I I took five out of my inste 75 ging it right and I think I believe I took five out of my assistance budget to make up that so why are we budgeting 855 for 26 right it took only 80 so police officer can't hear you sorry I didn't hear you yeah it was rounded up for thank you okay a launch salaries are separate but are they done by the same doc St or is it no so we have dedicated launch drivers so that's separate yeah personel yes separate of salaries under salaries but we're keeping it separate right right it was I was told we would keep it separate as well as the launch expenses are separate line items and that was our request and I think in the quarterly report there was a summary of the lch service there is a summary yeah and then page 56 has the estimated Harbor Master Revenue which does break out our launch Fe as a separate item so kind of a really high level question on this I guess this is for you right on the revenue side we're about 391,000 392 and on the expense side we're about 378 no 378 plus 51 so we're basically running in the red on this at a high level the okay um I guess the other question is things that are in other buckets which is essentially pension that sort of thing um here is what the overall this kind of loss which we're running and again I'm not critical of that is a phenomenal asset it's just it costs money to have it so about because on these we have all of the pensions and insurance everything in the treasurer's budget so it's not end up with an allocation to this budget no oh I thought it would no this is not these are not grossed up budgets and everything is FS so what what fig comp so I'm just very high level I looked at Harbor Master revenues on paid on the spread sheet and it's 56 56 on ours okay different but it's about 392 in revenue and I flipped over to the expenses 378 plus 50 yeah what's the 50 launch because the launch fees are in and then I just sort of asked the broad high level question about benefits and stuff that's not and I think liability insurance we don't have any complications running okay now for me more KN on for me now you sent us a memo on her on Capital which I sent around to everyone today oh today uhuh because it was in my town email account and I don't look at my town email account every day so I'm not sure what it Capal budget did I fail to it was before I said the minutes your account for was it from your town account oh no because I don't have your emails on my town account get I'm not I see the edits to the minutes I I can photocopy that right now okay or we can just talk through it maybe it's very complicated I had trouble difficulties following it probably fired Ro it's about well I like those I so if you can explain this so what vat you're getting rid of and what you so what we're proposing is to place the 2006 safe boat it's replacing both of the patrol boats there so but east was be replaced as well with two aluminum metal sharks which are sort of the industry standard safe boat and metal sharks one would be like one the yach club had that's a 21f footer yep so one would be a 23 foot and that one would be dedicated for police Harbor Patrol that would be essentially what the 20 five does now Police Department use that majority of the time the difference is this would be a walk around boat and not have the closed cabin which is almost not it's not impossible but it's really difficult for one person to go out control on so you have to have two two staff so the 23 could be manned by one person during a week on a week day FL us to St up with two busy weekend with July something of that nature uh the other would be a 26t met shark same boat walk around um it would be fully equipped with firefighting equipment it wouldn't be the Frankenstein system that we had set up on the safe boat I just sent it to everyone thank you um then again aluminum metal shark both these goates would be Lo rounds with curtains so the operators could be out of the weather on it's cold rainy and miserable with cab 26 foot boat would also have room for EMS equipment Towing grapping all the things that the regular control boat has now the Eastern so uh it's very much contingent on whether or not you could secure for security Grant I've been in contact with the Coast Guard and knowah about when the grants would become available these grants fund 75% of of cost Salem Marble Head bler winr cour have all in the last GE secured new boats through this program so the idea being that we would sell the safe boat the 25 foot safe boat and the backup launch the Eastern would become our backup launch uninspected vessel just like the current launch but giving the town added capability for shallow water rescues if needed how old is Eastern Eastern is a 2 8 Oh I thought it was new one I guess it was the engines we uh well so the engine we bought that build in 2020 to replace the uh 2003 Eastern oh okay right and the engine uh had 20 hour B so the engine was like okaying so are these the law enforcement yeah um I'm not sure if it's there's a 26 for it should be a senate conso walk around yeah so the costs of these votes they're they're built specific you don't go to a show room and buy these boats cost of these two boats together $800,000 Federal gr right Federal grant would right 75% of the cost yeah two boats two together oh yeah Motors they come with paddles whichever you PR the upgrade has durable $800,000 these boats are fully they don't show up and then we have to buy Electronics so uh 75% of the cost would be $600,000 another $100,000 from the sale of safe Bo and the backup launch 100,000 from this exactly I've seen the safe books alone for 100,000 really yeah okay I've seen them for 150,000 set up like ours ours is okay the whole n yards so that leaves $100,000 lacking which bu ask for Capital so level of Need for this type of fancy have we had many Rees uh we have uh all s along we have uh issues so remember the 23 for enforcement uh just like you have to have enforcement on Pine Street you've got to have enforcement on the water enforcement agency Poli Park they need a boat they should have a boat just like they have cars but doesn't have to be militarily equipped uh it has to be equipped with everything that they need it's not if it's not off the shelf uh with the exception of the engines because that's all come from the manufacturers these boats last longer and are more appropriate in conditions that a regular boat is not so for example take Easter I go out and do things for that Eastern that I will not ask my staff to do so therefore I'm not here to drive that boat under certain conditions that boat doesn't go but the militarily equipped setup um purpose built boat the 25 Can it can go with uh people besides myself I don't think it's I think the word militar is the wrong choice because that's not what we're doing on out there you know AC storming any coard mission is to go out and rescue people when the conditions are right so um a certain resiliency to the design correct correct commercial kind of up commercial right like the first Eastern which we got rid of because it was used very hard developed a leak a second we that we couldn't find these boats are aluminum and unless you decide to land one on top of well back ledge they're going to leap and go we had the child that went off singing Beach a number of years ago uh and we responded in the 25 foot safe boat in conditions I would not have even left the harbor in the Eastern myself and that that was the only vessel that is appropriate for those conditions so we do need those uh and I'm going to be gone in a couple of years uh hris changed a lot and I I I when Andy our new deputy and I were talking about this I had to agree with them that the the na Hy has changed the mission has changed and uh my main need to save money for the sake of saving money just because I could do something that maybe I shouldn't be doing that time should come to an end so these f are appropriate the 26 vat is one foot longer than the state vat still uh can be driven by one person which are now really isn't set up do that appropriately question is just um this a fair number of assets yeah how do you what do you do with this in the winter I mean I presume this isn't going to sit at the water treatment item out there there there is but so this just so everyone knows this is the first year that Manchester has had a public safety boat in the water because of the number of calls we get we had three calls two three calls last winter no boat in the water because we have so little ice now yeah people actually think there's no ice we can go boating so what's in the water the safe boat the safe boat okay the one that's safe yeah so yeah we do we have the safe boat in and and ready to goers around it don't need it don't need it we uh so skip Crocker uh generously said if there's if you're getting uncomfortable with ice over repart bring it over and leave it at uh his facility in charge he doesn't get ice what's what's a simple definition for safe that's the name of the company oh no name of the company I thought now it also seems like in this memo you're talking about making an asset of the police department rather than the harbor the 23 foot boat why would you do that for the same reason that we don't have the police cars the police have a function a job on the water same exact one as they have on the lane they should have their own asset on the water I think find that confusing the police department it's still a boat for the police to be with the harbor Department out together so we don't have the same Mission we're our mission we have this much enforcement M the police department has all enforcement our mission is different we may not necessarily be going out on the boat we may be repairing things Shor side we might be going to the marinas and inspecting for stickers we might be uh repotting GPS coordinance it's a different job and this is this is a really important issued for me for people to understand the police department are responsible for enforcement in this community just like they would be in Middleton all the way to the Town Line Middleton they use cars for that here in Manchester there's water they need a boat I'm not talking about responsibility I'm talking about the fact that o has completely different maintenance than automobile and I would think you would want all of the votes under one department so that you got maintenance of all of the boats you don't have the police department having to do maintenance and the harbor to do maintenance right well there's no reason that the HRI Department can't do oil changes on both boats we with our current Deputy hiber Master he took over the the maintenance and oil changes and all that on the boats there's no reason that that that can happen but Police Department's vote police depart V it should be under the operational jurisdiction not budget and and and responsibility for maintenance and all that right that's I I I don't disagree with that at all okay but it's they're both they decide when it goes they decide who goes on well this is a different we're talking budget had last year so right so in my department right now we have two people with law enforcement training but no longer are uh we're not legally allowed for arting home and is going to have that Authority one person can't be care 24 hours a day seven days a week to be La enforcement on the water why why are we having Harbor Master be a police officer if it's the police department's responsibility police work in Massachusetts it's not consistent here well in Massachusetts in order to be a certified fiber Master fiber Masters suppos to be certified the Harbor Master must must have police train and with the uh change to um post post here in in Massachusetts there is no part-time Academy for Harbor Masters to go to there's not they have to go to the full-time Academy and when comes out he will be able to apply to become a certified AR Master he already has the waiver because he's uh in in the academy then when it gets out be able to buy full certification I have it because the state recognizes that I went to a police account so in order for your Harbor Master to be a certified Harbor Master which is State regulation he had to go that's because we do have abortion that is a portion of our mission and if you're going to go out there and enforce you better know what you're allowed to report enforce and what not does that mean that we then eliminate the police officer in a season uh ACC companying out on the water on the weekends and Fridays and so Andy's Mission isn't solely enforcement he's not going out solely enforcement uh you can't enforce if you're called way to a voting accident uh it's does he become a member of the police Union no no consider just time employe okay so talk okay yeah that's why he had to go to academy so is he the only person who is qualified in the town to do enforcement on the water in this boat I'm just saying we're spending a lot of money for an asset but it sounds like we might have only one person qualifies to use that so H Masters please um And and harbor Masters can enforce 90b anyone of my assistants can if I allow them write uh civil violations none of them I don't allow them to because they don't have any police training again everything on a 90b even if you can be civil is arrest correct every single 90b is like black jacket I mean give me a little y right y life life jackets life jackets registration eating Reckless operations Jes is are there fines assessed for that associ is that oh I revenue is weot a bu yeah we do the appropriate agency Capital I'd like to see what like brother Rockport Essex s have three HS of the sides it just seem exive we do have 12 miles Coastline don't we so we have two Patrol boats right now yeah one essentially police one essentially Harbor yep we have two launches main launch and the backup launch and up up which is mostly funed by it's own Grant y so we would have same number of boats two new aluminum boats we get rid of the aluminum launch and move to the Eastern into to that workload and then the freedom so the backup launch just to go back to a year ago I thought was an important part of the quote backup and things of that sort one of the ones that I think is P for sale in this swapping so they're substituting the current Eastern Eastern is going to have a it's going to include the launch backup launch function no the Old Eastern the old the old Eastern will move out of patol yes into the backup launch harbor tour I see dy I I see okay why is that existing well uh because it gives us one more thing it gives us an asset if we have an emergency in shallow water which we have had that is the only shallow draft so it can if necessary aluminum shars have a deeper can function as a launch just as effectively just as effectively they have longer shafts on their engines uh well they would have to I mean yeah be like the the safe boat now which draws probably two two feet the hall and then Outboards three half maybe one of the one of the two boats that was purchased for the launch service is being sold right that would right so the backup homemade aluminum launch would be replaced by the Eastern we have the same exact number of votes as we have right now so from just an accounting point of view I know the town voted and approved and spent 125,000 for the for the assets from Manchester more these two launches now we're selling one out and we're pushing another boat into that slot I think it would be good from a capital point of view to keep track of that going forward well how much do we think the backup launching itself if we could find somebody who was desperate for launch more um 25 25,000 so that should be I'm saying from the point of view from an accting point of view let's keep launch stuff in in a silo that we can follow from year to year police Capital as we always do fire Capital everything else we we keep organized we start going laterally you know that's that's when people it's not get mad you know when we talk about a fire truck one year and something else another and it gets confused to me a question would be what could you sell the Eastern for versus what can you sell the backup launch for and if there's a Delta there then it should be charged to the launch service if if the Eastern could sell for more then the Del and we're selling the launch then that Delta should be charged to the launch service in my mind to keep it yeah B out all these numbers buy two BS 850 I think is what you 800 800 me excuse me 650 comes from our ground 150 is still to be covered am 600 600 M Grant 100,000 spaghetti against the wall sale vessels uhuh leaving 100,000 okay so you're asking essentially 100,000 that's what that's what this all boils down to out of the harbor fund so so waterways I'm sorry waterways yes I'm 11 okay yeah that's I show that com from down other Capital so you got har funds paying 15,000 for um shelter study which is for discussion momentarily and then the storage so can we drop the boat replacement to 100 sorry can we drop the boat replacement to 100 yes what what are the terms the grant are there any are we obligated to like run them with you is our gas price going to go way up or consumption are there any ter are we obligated to Patrol something or are we just getting it well right gr we talk about we have to justify to the federal government just like we have to justify for in col they're looking for specific things in Manchester uh we're the only municipality on the waterfront on the south side of cape and between Beverly and GL Salem has uh wind turbine lay down sight in Salem and The Ships coming in and out we are within sight of the cruise ships and every ship that goes in and out of Boston so Salem Marblehead Beverly Manchester gler are all considered part of uh the safety umbrella from Boston to the tip and I think it's a pretty easy lift to point out that every other community been funded in these vessels and Manchester is an equal player all we have a f that runs out of gler Cru ships out of GL we had fairies that run out of Salem so the federal government is looking at this as in the event of a uh Mass casual impact all of these assets they fund will contribute in dealing with those that's that's how make your justification and they oated to go out on shared calls I mean we do that anywhere right we do do that every every haror community in Salem sound uh responds without question immediately to assist others we'll call on each other ask for help uh sometimes if Communications are difficult just go and when you get on scene there this incident command will say we're all set go back with your asset you rais a really important question I guess question for Greg is from a town point of view are we looking at Grant obligations and what the town is sort of on the hook for for accepting money and I and I just say this in a broad sense because you know when when we do this it's the next chapter that everybody needs to be trained in something or suddenly the makeup of our Force has to change to comply with certain demographics or on and on and on and just how do we are we ABS sure what we're walking in which is why think asking this question so application we rations yeah so to dat we're pretty comfortable with those those and they can't add stipulations retroactively let they reserve the right to and SO gas consumption this move is actually savings operationally I think that the 23 will be more fuel efficient by far than the current one5 and the safe Bo this year was by far the most us that was that was out patrolling a lot more and it's got two 225 horsepower engines on it Eastern is out a lot it's 115 horsepower engine on it the 26 is obviously not have 115 horsepower on it so can you keep track how many hours I I keep track of all the fuel uh and we do log the out so as for a real answer I don't know I don't know if it'll be a fuel savings or it's it's going to cost more just as a side bot be tremendously helpful to what they are when year they are how long they are size the engine how many hours and the expected life of new purchases yeah just help us talk about it because some of us don't have a clue yeah just so you know that the current safe boat is a 2006 it's pretty though it's well some people not everybody some people don't like you see it oh really oh yeah you know it's coming at you it's it's it's the enforcement Bo you better pay attention well I will say that when that boat is out on station at the uh no way buies on the weekend that boats do tend to slow down before they get to the w z and if you turn on the light and siren then people dive over the side and swim away so few hours just you know whatever the things that are meaningful that Bo and for its value i' say boats and entrance are the big things yeah how many boats how many entrance what years and expected life yeah great say Replacements because we're requiring that of all the Departments the engine is than I actually uh my recommendation for engines is should be place every five years gone past you've gone past the warranty these are Public Safety okay these These are inboard engines 35 years no you know 0 to 50 to 70,000 oh I'm I'm I mean every five years we're now we are now marching into like yeah fire engine replacement fund territory seriously that's right so I mean this is something I think needs to be on the capital plan this is when we start going out 5 years this number is going to have six digits on it so um it's a lot yes five years it's uh it's no different than a fire truck or an ambulance or police car we have so many hours and after that you become concerned about reliability and sa we're not talking about a car truck breaking down on the side of the road here talking about potential breakdowns in the middle of an incident out on the water uh where you know you can't get out of the boat and go sit under a tree on the bank which is why we're requiring replacement information said brilliant yeah yeah so I mean just to put this out there you know I think it it took us a number of years to get Town voters comfortable with the idea of replacing a police car every 3 years amazingly logical reason to do that and and part of it's because people buy their own cars and they have what they think is their own knowledge about this they don't realize they idle all the time and they're moving around but people also have a lot of knowledge about boats and I think if you go and start saying we got to replace engines every five years and the number is going to be like 40 or 50 brand a lot of people are driving by seeing these boats and docks I think that's going to be a challenging cell and so I think need to figure out how to get in front of that if that's really the engine life has always been the hours of the engine as opposed to the number of years you're using that's right I will tell you that I take a lot of heat from br's Boatyard when we do oil changes and routine service because uh they say you need to go out and run this boat and run it hard a lot more one of the things you remember about trolling most of the time you're just around that's hard on that's hard on teleport engines rather than going out running car run them hard when we can but if there's no justification to go wide open and watching your fuel gauge go like that that is one of the reasons these engines reach their and life for it might sell and be perfectly good for somebody up wiip for another five or 10 years but those people aren't can we move on to the boat storage structure I'm tired of engines I can see my drive yeah 50,000 Bo storage structure okay what where uh so uh I looked at some factors we had the opportunity to get that U onit Hut style building from Crockers a few years ago that would a structure like that would be perfectly viable aware our treatment plan whereever the DPW is going to be place out of thew now you so how many boats would be in this storage structure all but one one would be in the water the other four would be in the structure fabric so the quet hut that we would get would be would you take it down too good for that and where would it be uh so we keep the now up with the water treatment plant on road P Street that's where they are now there's space up there the DP facility if there room for it there or the old place up on School Street uh th000 no no yep I mean I wonder if another I mean um there are plenty of places around that store people's boats so for example our model he sits in a building over in Georgetown for 1,200 bucks for the winter and there are a lot of very very nice looking boats in there can we St our boats somewhere else for the winter and put them under a building and they mean 50,000 if we're paying an annual fee somebody goes goes a bunch of years yeah maybe until DPW was figured out what's do could build capacity into that that's a possibility I'm not a big fan of sh I know you're not I'm not a big fan of $50,000 either big pile of plastic that gets used once away $50,000 building less 20 years sorry but if you're replacing fabric every 10 years you're not replacing the whole structure that structure that skip brocker had with that he offered to us it was 10 years old and somebody came and least L expensive way to take care of storage safe in BO I mean back with before he asked the question so it's 1,200 a boat we store four boats that's 4800 five that's 10 years that's $50,000 building right there if you have to replace the canvas after 10 years for 10 grand and then you go another 10 years well then you're you're know you're looking at the longer turn picture you are with you but if we were to you know to Mor's Point If This Were a short term thing but I I think really what I'm getting at is thatw is going to get a new facility right maybe maybe has not been so whatever happens I won't be here for it but the the boats the sidewalk clouds all these things that are sitting out baking in the Sun the WEA uh aging them prematurely undercover get the boats undercover for the 6 months out of the year that they're not being used it gives you know when you have a cover on a boat it's a lot harder to work on the boat to clean up the outside of the boat I'm mostly embarrassed by the look of the outside of the boat Because by the time we get around to to be able to take covers off inside we launching coppering that's sort of the thought is that we have a facilities plan it's kind of in flux at the moment um but I think there'll be some better definition on that in two two you know and so it's like how do we get by two or three years as opposed to how do we invest in something that's going to last 10 or 12 not trying to be Penny wise and pound foolish here but you know $50,000 put in a location in three years from now we say well that location's going to become something else let's sell the building you know whatever you also have half the town has automobiles that are not have to cover I mean just put things in perspective just also just a broader question which goes to kind of succession planning a little bit you're pretty handy you do a lot of this stuff the next person coming along may or may not and we have a number of boats that are becoming more more complex than what we currently have we have a lot of docks we have a lot of other things how how do you Vision the town maintaining all this stuff going forward in-house hiring out what's the longterm well in house so right now we have the great good fortune in the police department of having somebody who's really great with certain aspects of outfitting boats just like they're great outfit CR as far as maintenance like oil change well this summer for the first time we've had somebody on staff with the time to do in-house oil changes we saved hundreds of dollars with this person who will I hope be your next prog master and this person is cier that I am at all of the things that I've already been doing I I really think that for the next 20 years this Hare is in great shape uh if one of my assistants were to apply to be the next Deputy under the next harber Master he's the one who helps with the oil changes and uh replacing the ladder the fisherman Pi I get pretty excited when I think about it because I think the harbor is going to be in great shape with continuing to do so much of this work in house and we have saved the town a lot of money doing stuff in the house speak re Park expansion the timing of that sure so uh rep Park we're actually building floats right now we're will'll be 50% done with the floats by the end of the week we're waiting on we have all of the municipal permits now waiting on Army cor and if I'm going to be realistic uh you probably have permits uh by the Fall maybe uh into the winter so construction planning for to have the the docks open uh summer of 2026 we already have all the funding for it that's how are we paying for it it's paid for he wrote and received a state Grant a Federal grant each paid for 50% of the entire cost okay so uh the funding for that facility is fully secured uh the simple math that I did a year ago showed that pretty easily the facility should earn $150,000 a year and that's that's what a price point of water and electricity and Sewer on it that's $3 a foot less than what the infesta Marine is uh asking so it's not a real stretch to think that $150,000 is really a low number that would include as far as Staffing goes I actually did the Staffing numbers we would go from having uh two people on uh a day to three would be three kids addly staff uh you could Envision a Monday or Tuesday Wednesday maybe still being two on duty but is this for FY 26 or 27 27 the revenue um this year 33,000 back you on one of these pages it's AIG jump Transit 36 Grand right so it is it is a big jump but we're adding 're it's going to be three times the length and we be increasing the cost the discussion is increasing at $5 a foot from three so we do the math it's $150,000 from where we are right now I don't people increase in espec but I will say driving by all the time I'm always looking it's a lot of empty flow space right it's it's perpetually empty so um obviously we need to restaurants and turn on things that bring people in singing Beach get all that stuff but once they're here I don't think they'll bark it any more especially with the the so one of the things electricity but that also is going to raise our expenses right so uping in a couple of bucks isn't likely to cover the additional expens cheap relatively speaking where's that well it's not a home it's a it's a floating so but yeah the the discussion could certainly be for more money and one of the things that I've uh talked about doing the smart move is to take the 250 ft that exists now and keeping that for the day uh and know day trans visitors coming in going to the restaurants let's dedicate that space for them and the other 500 ft the overnight we've never advertised we don't advertise we don't Market at all and that's because as full as as empty as those docks are when you see them I can tell you there A lot of times when it is but why would we want the nuisance of overnight voting why would we want to bring that into our town so for me it makes sense because how are you going to f the in 10 years there's not going to be any grants available every all the all the stuff that we've done when I started here in 2012 the harbor cor the fisherman's crane was falling apart in pieces on the fisherman repar off here had a patch on it from 1991 temporary piit when we pulled it out the stringers all fell in the harbor people had we're aware of that we know that the harbor wasn't being maintained at all so was no money that's because it was no money no it's because it wasn't a Harbor Master but is this grant going to cover that first part part that's very low Fishman facility Well from Recon that first section that goes out the old the original s is it g is that going to be raised oh the pier yeah well it'll have to be eventually is it covered in this grant I mean you that wouldn't you want to do that first though of them well if we have these transy dos and we start generating revenue from them then we'll have money in hand to are we going to have noise restrictions and stuff on these transient dogs for the overnighter that the police are going to have to enforce so uh we already work closely with the police we have very little issue down there uh we don't people have used generators down there but you don't have a lot of overnighters because we don't have electricity there's electricity there won't be an issue of generators Running Dog you I'm talking about people the the noise that comes out of the Legion whenever they have something goes over the entire Harbor I can hear every word that said the American Legion if they're using a PM's up you no but so could be an issueing I have no no authority over the legion but as far as uh you know having quiet time start at :' whatever um you can put rules in oh yeah ab and I can say we've had no issues down there with those overnight voters at all never one we had trouble once but it was the last right so you have a shellfish Warden here in town he has no budget he's reached the point where U we need some funding to uh pay for some studies that the state requires we're ever going to reopen TR so he came to me and said I have no budget I don't I don't know where to to start I said well I'll ask for money it's it's the harbor it's the Waterfront so I I agreed to to put this forward because I think it's worthy trying to reopen adultish and where would they be well so they're looking at several places they're looking at U black Beach white Beach chub Creek they not looking further in because water quality yeah but um we've done drift tests we've had water quality monitoring there there are challenges but there is if the keeps working towards it the possibility that uh seasonal recreational shell fishing be the first thing the residents would be able to go out so yeah we have these Capital items for Harbor yeah I'd like to go the launch service man when do we want I was just wondering if we're prepared to approve these Capital items tonight ahead that's all I wanted to ask now you can go to the lunch we're not going to vote on it's really a question with brg so it shows roughly 4 $4,000 income that's great thank you had about a $29,000 expense operations for the what's the payback schedule for the capital 125 put in it was an understood payback of capital from operations and I can't remember what that was there obviously are funds here over the revenue is thankful more than expense thank you but I can you recall that and what because I we expected to repay over some period of time the 125 more you thought it was five years it was relatively short I thought maybe it was seven actually say seven or eight yeah I thought it was seven or eight and do we have a schedule to do that is that part of what we assumed it would take a couple couple years before yes generating that's correct I think you said it would be a startup year and then we would get into a payback and I thought seven or eight and I thought it was something like 10,000 a year but that get yes so can we put that into what we're tracking for the launch service yeah whatever that I'm looking in a launch service a har launch service proposal how's that yes it is it's in there it's in the last page Harbor Master launch Services we have salaries and we have expenses are those loaded Sal annual Capital requirements a capital replacement fund L item right $11,400 will be included in the annual operating budget to cover repayment for boat P purchase beginning in year 2 8,400 build capital reserve fund to replace engines and Transmissions every 15 years 3,000 perfect thank you so that's what we should be including in that for the launch 84 or 114 it was a total of 114 but 84 was for the boat purchase and 3,000 for a reserve fund for future Capital expenses yeah significant Mees yeah anyway so we have it I just wanted it represented we understood that should be a line up in the launch Services yeah and that will start next this year this year summer this year this summer this summer thank you it's great this is not a criticism reminder to us good thing I have some electronic stuff on this laptop reest Capital comment um I I think it would be helpful to have a fiveyear capital plan for the harbor and a maintenance plan understanding what's going on here because we have a lot of assets coming in we have I think demands on Staffing responsibilities changing with the harbor and this is this this sort of we're creeping into this and we're changing things and I just worried we're going to get ourselves 2029 and the number is going to be half a million big and and we won't be able to turn back and what I mean by that is if if we have Staffing that we don't have responsibilities for we can scale that we can pull people back we can add people but when we add Capital it's very hard to sell that or move that um when we have fears and floats and responsibilities it's hard to sometimes pull back on so what's our flexibility versus our cost commitment so uh we do have dredging you know which is kind of hangs out there and theoretically Harbor Revenue should be contributing toward that that's part of the asset out there so look at the long picture you can work on that yeah okay I actually think that's great have to me it feels like there's a really a you know are focusing in on on this out here and being dra in I don't think great now do we want to vote on the harbard master operating budget or do we want to Let's on the upper I think we have to do separately separate so the total salaries and expenses for the harbor excluding the launch $313,900 out of it which is a 4.56% increase which is basically the fulltime Deputy which which is driven by a big salary increase so is that a motion yeah I make a motion to approve the harbor master master operating budget in the amount of $313,900 any discussion here vote Tom yes Dean yes Peter yes Hy yes Sarah votes yes so this is 115 y okay now um I make a motion to approve the salaries and expenses for the Master launch service and the amount of 51014 more seconds ask a question about so what will you need to do with fees we now have a reserve we're creating which is uh part of this large budget right we've now with reviewed that it does that do something to what's requested so so the 51 not includ the 11 right so my question therefore is we need to provide for that also is that part of the operating budget for 25 that is the for fiscal year 26 sorry FAL year 26 and so if you want that in you should add that 11 4 to that 51 yes I think we want that in there yes this is based on um revenue is going to match this right yes that's correct that's why I was turning to but what that does to the revenue mostly that's really I was asking 62414 that's what I come up with okay so I in my motions to approve the Harbor Master L Services budget in the amount of $624 and to have a and to have a consistent increase in the expected revenues from service have a second second motion Peter seconds any discussion um yes Dean yes Peter yes Andy yes waren yes Sarah V yes oh it's police okay what P we on now origin as I recall last week we talked about the fact fact that the salary increases were high but that's because it included two years that right Barne goes back the year no but they are year older so the lieutenant Sergeant's salary line increased 17.4% and the patrolman increased 11.45% correct and then if you see the the um career incentive has been reduced okay because the career incentive in the patrol and Sergeant is now in their base okay just shifted just shied okay good thank you previously CH it was not in the base it was not in the base SE escalates with the base salary as that so the education incentive only includes myself remind me about the note here about the new state training mandates um I think I've probably heard this before but I'm not sure so I don't know you if you you take you guys get a copy of my memo that I sent no if I did I'm afraid I don't recall it at this moment I so I I can go through the highlights of the memo if you want me to and then if you can send it to us okay so um I just go through kind of like high high level but uh in reviewing the FY 26 budget I felt it was necessary to U outline some of the the increases that I think I sent on the Excel spreadsheet I if you got that well but um these increases largely stem from the Collective buing Agreement that we just recently uh finalized and um that obviously establish adjustments and some of the person off cost um to meet the new State's requirements for our Readiness and officers uh uh training um refy 26 um you'll see an increase obviously in in the training uh that's now mandatory um some of the stuff is new some of the stuff is is is what we've been doing all along however um it's basically changed because we don't have the 911 training Grant to fall back so that's when the increases com um I like to highlight too that the officer on 111f is reaching a significant Milestone a 10year mark Service as of February 2025 so was not included in Bud going to come believe it's been 10 um so from uh with regards to overtime from July 1 to the end of September we seen we saw a significant increase in overtime most of it was because of the July 4 celebrations and our Ann our reaccreditation um however in the past as I've stated separating the the fourth July overtime out of our regular overtime line item uh will give us a clearer picture uh and obviously better track our resources without impact without impacting our regular operations year um further as I've stated overtime continues to our overtime continues to be underfunded uh in fy2 it was projected to be at 93,000 and that is contractual overtime only uh our fy2 budget did not reflect any Cola increases or any new sitiens that we're agreed to um lastly our overtime line item does not allow us any cushion for any mandatory staff meetings that we have to have Command Staff meetings any late calls overnight arrests because we only run two people now and and there's no uh person in the uh station um Hospital prisoner watch which seems like every time someone gets arrested they're well at the hospital don't want to stay down here um severe weather events or any other community policing events that outside the officers normal uh can I ask a question yeah um at the hospital do you have to have somebody stationed there we okay sometimes it's a Friday night where they're all weekend um so the proposed budget for FY 26 I think our current Staffing model and no officers being out for long-term injury on maternity leave or any other issues that we've recently had uh I I think the anticipated uh, 1600 Trials of contractual overtime um will be covered without any additional offic need um we still have so the reserve officers so we still have four Reserve officers who are retirees who continue to cover some shifts that they Limited in their hours obviously because of their pension um in late 20 FY 24 and early fy2 we tried to hire an additional Academy full-time Academy trained Reserve officers or officers that would act as Reserve officers um however hiring these officers comes with mandatory field training of 40 hours and additional onboarding cost such as psychological exams and physicals which roughly cost us about $1,500 uh with that these two offices have since resigned so we lost that much um so Mo employ I don't think the we're going to have the ability to hire Reserve officers and I don't think it's a positive financial gain from the town anymore uh with the additional cost of on boarding and mandatory training uh the cost outweigh the benefits of having the reserve pool um in FY 24 the Reser current Reserve officers only worked about 200 hours of shift coverage uh which raises the questions of cost effectiv this moving forward um especially when they annual training for all of them would be about three $300 of annual train um so are they used for any of the overtime uh when they take the shift yeah that's that's that $200 y um so I did a breakdown to the mandatory training now that's required by us by obviously the accreditation commission and by post and the mptc so um the budget that I submitted gives us about uh or allows us our 17 full-time people to uh go through the the mandatory training and allows them eight hours of professional development which I feel is essential we used to allow 16 hours but um some people take advantage of it and and some people don't and some people want to do more than 16 so I think we're going to limit it to uh eight for this next year and see how that works out um so the total cost of the mandatory training of an average overtime rate is about 55 555 and and again we used to offset that with our uh 911 support so um for FY 26 I I think you know the highlights is is we need to uh figure out how we're going to fund our our for July because that was like $114,000 in three days out of our overtime uh which significantly burdens us throughout the rest of the year and um you know the good thing is our the officer on 11 after finally uh coming off so that's kind of where we are so I think that Greg you told us that a certain amount of overtime been the Fourth of July budget how much is that just 12,000 from training so we have in this budget 120,000 of overtime y that realis to Y so 97,000 of it is contractual with the new with the new uh and what do you mean by that can you well it's it's I did an average overtime took everyone's overtime rate from top to bottom and did an average overtime rate of $60 so that 6 120 hours of Contra is what we anticipate for contractual overtime so what is contractual over paid time up well I know covering back filling for paid okay that's fine but you're not required the contract does not require you to make a certain number of hours of overtime available to each officer okay that's just what we anticipate everyone will use oh but given the fact that we 230,000 last year is 120 realistic are we if you fact in figurative okay if you factored in the July 4th money the increase in training the increase in court time increase in overtime in the the increase to the reserve line item gives us about $214,000 okay so the the the training that 63,000 is going to be covered their over time there time that's how I kind of broke it Fourth of July increas in training Fourth of July what was the other things you said court court okay last year we had 72 arrests which is one of the highest years uh in the last 10 um the increase in the overtime it covers the contractual 97,000 plus gives us the cion for anything else uh you have in court sorry we had n 8 8,000 said was I increased it by by 500 so it was 7500 last year put it up to 8,000 that was based on SE 24 what we did for fy4 this overtime covers all different grades of officers right it's not we're not going with this questions if you added another person would that be a more efficient way to do this but the problem I suspect is you have different skill sets qualifications can't do it with one person you probably could so in my when we added the two people like the gold standard was 18 people and 18 people would Pro basically probably eliminate all that most the what we up probably a little you yes yeah um can you talk with us about the training business I know this has been been kind of recurring them with public safy maybe it is with all towns where we train people and move on we don't have that anymore everybody ever since we uh got the education incentive that's most time that's part of the reason why most people were leaving like to go to Beverly to get a B you know significant increase ever since we got that back into the contract the we haven't had that problem anymore yeah the gold standard just sure I understand that that that doesn't eliminate overtime it will significantly reduce like what percent uh I don't have it in front of me it was give me an estimate well there's still going to be the contractual right yeah right I I do appreciate that back be done by that other office understand that's that's why I was trying to for what that I I I have it in a in a powerpo that I presented pleas so I can send that to you if you want look I don't have that off put a cost I think we go another year I'm not advocating see how it works out and then just keep in the back of our minds basically saying first say was elited 100% 120,000 the new officer all in that's going to cost you 20,000 okay so you're right at that break even so it's worth watching but I think for now thank you what has the trend been over the last years your guesstimation we're we're close to that 120 now a year or two ago were we more like 80k have as many people so you can't compare I mean one reason we brought additional officers on is to decrease the overtime 23 24 close to 300 close to 300 right that does include that train train and then you know it doesn't account for last year we had three officers out either injured or so that's what so hard to maternity weeks family medical leave and all that stuff they have to take back right right which is why some of the schools are complaining because they don't have we leave because it's not required Municipal level yeah so try to get the off y people use what now another line item that I see is a significant decrease this officer in charge that was because we uh decreased it based on adding the force okay got the Flor side and basically sne we just swap the money again yep we've got a cost there about 10,000 11,000 of rough revenues right here so like last year was like 36,000 in Revenue before that it was up a little bit from last year but then in 2018 we were significant higher but I think Mark I just talking about that I think it is based on the fact that we ran parking longer and later earlier later in season so I did parking enforcement i b like 80 80 days it was used to be longer than that but um it's difficult the college kids they come in May and they go by the middle of August how the meter there some special meters that I know but how they worked out yeah they've actually worked out um I think was 300 close to 300s issued on Beach Street from the tracks to uh tapen Street uh they worked out well um we're looking to expand them next year um matter of fact I talked to the gentleman today from Parking Solutions and um going to put some in the areas that are already have the cement pads like out the fire hydrants like Central in Beach the spot we're going to expand hopefully discuss this with the B Selman on U Tuesday night is from Crosby's to the top Electric Flag I know I don't park on beach do that mechanic is that they get find and then it just rolls right into a credit card transaction into the town or so it so so it takes a photo what happens is either parking Forceman officer or Mar I will go in next day and we have to approve all all the tickets make sure they're they're correct and that's automatically sent out to that person by the vendor by the vendor and then we get a deposit from the vendor or some portion of that do that compare with like having a a parking attend or is it cheaper or well I think it opens up uh that those busy areas you get flexibility yeah for us to concentrate on like we get complaints that way place no I get but I'm just curious does it is it an expensive service or is it free no it's a free to the top well they take the 36,000 is that the revenue from that those no that's from the that's for everything um Greg in the future do you think that when we show police revenues we can add in the parking fees and not have that fee The Parking Clerk you know just so that it relates to this budget because there's a lot of things that Under The Parking Clerk that relate to the budget and I just thinking that parking fees might be one of make a d to offset the budget but at least we wrote 797 parking tickets last year and in 2018 we wrote like 11 100 but I'm thinking that's because we had a for winter and that's that's when we have the parkings and stuff I think that might be the difference I'd have to look back but I think those are the differ and I think the paring SS obviously there 340 something tickets that were written down on beach tree but I think they have increase compliance and but that's basically what we were aiming for anybody is increase the terminal bur and has anybody can tested them yeah people have the sticks on oh okay that they Christine said today they people come in and say I was only there a couple minutes and they look at the ticket there half an hour so there is the running you around no they run they we shot them off Columbus okay and we'll turn them back on bline is that posted huh is that posted well we change the size yeah and the vendor is responsible for that piece of equipment right so they come change it up and we have they sent the we have few to this is really high level question this I know in the past you've said we increasing the number of arrests we're decreasing the number of this and that is is the general trend of the department and their interactions of people pretty much holding time of even over the last year or two or you seeing ramp UPS in certain areas mental health we're definitely seeing increase calls um in terms of calls in terms of calls and dealing with individuals with with with certain issues that's why we we kind of spearheaded a co-response team with the US police for mental health and overdose followups and that's Again part of the overtime that's not sometimes calculated in the uh you know with the contractual overtime but uh those are the things I think we see loses those types of issues that are has domestic situations decrease since Co or been be the same don't understand any difference you it's about average yeah of tend to be consistent for certain evenings or certain days than others holidays holidays holidays the win payday was one Fridays definitely around you the garage like do you store vehicles in the garage for the electric ones or L is the is the dod are in the garage yeah there's two outside so so I mean just likeing the sea level situation if we were to see I mean that that would be a lot easier to keep dry without a garage door there but we need to relocate you know find somewhere else for the cars during a flood or something is there any contingency for what to different time so we take them up to the water treatment plant put them inside if if we can for the dvw you have to really keep inside because you know the car are not being used the medications and stuff in there so they need to be out of the weather right we are at Max Capacity with the space downstairs right Max Max Capacity and especially yeah right EXA like an auxiliary three car something might you more space that's a capital launch directly know it's kind of like I didn't think about it till now but there are bigger plans being thought about for facilities but has there ever been thought extended that garage just said okay maybe it's a threeyear solution you know cinder block I don't know if there permitting issues involved but if you literally like extended that facility down there with cinder block addition said okay maybe it's good for two or three years but would it get more vehicles under storage and help the situation I know I know it floods and that's one or two times a year type event you have to think about that but you know I think sometimes we we let the perfect be the enemy of the good you know is there an intro solution I mean technically that's supposed to be a six built what I was told as a six car garage what is it four no storage you know you got the motorcycle the ATV you have medical equipment you have animal control cages in there all kinds of things gu think alternative places for some of that maybe when Cel on Hing roofs got more storage space it' be nice to have something around the headquarters verus like in the new DPW okay do we need to talk about animal controls why is it flat everybody Happ contractual with does about one on average something to be one call deal it is a pretty let's do we want to vote on the operating budget at this point have a second second de seconds any discussion not here both Tom yes Dean yes Peter yes Dy yes Sarah yes my voice um next is the expenses yep motion to6 request expenses budget 15550 15,550 thank any discussion Tom yes Dean yes Peter yes Andy yes yes and Sarah P um Animal Control you want a roll sure I'll make a motion to approve the 2026 request budget for police animal control of 16 second second second discussion vote Tom yes Dean yes Peter yes yes yes s yes okay that's all we have on depletes correct yes okay now okay so which one's under Public Safety of police are those just the tasers of vehicles and the firearm so got the tasers tasers the mobile radio is fire is that right okay now this is the final year of the tasers uh one more year year how many is this four C what's that how many is how many tasers 17 and do they have to periodically be replaced just just batteries use or something it's part of the I guess I put it in the the capital plan the long term longm um police vehicle so I have a question last year was it last year or two years ago we replaced the fire chief's vehicle y but yet the fire chief's prior vehicle is still around no police I'm sorry right we replaced police we replaced your car yeah two years ago yeah yeah so that car went that car replaced the uh my car went to the detective DET okay and so then did we get rid of the car the detective had okay was there a Sal or something tra well 2500 is that figured into count how manys and the only reason I know is because I want buy this house every day so I know the and I see this on when I go to work I when I'm home yeah backyard yeah so the trade for this year is projected to be at 2500 okay and this is a Frontline vehicle Y and that's really the price but that's still gas right we have no it's hybrid hybrid oh good is it a hybrid plug in it's regular hybrid so all the all the line the hybd okay the person is always confused by the word hybrid what does that mean it does it uh basically it's gaps and so it runs on electric and thenc but it's the battery is only smaller it's much smaller it's only size for whatever can generated from it's better and useful life what a useful life of a car like that in terms of mileage and time five years four four years four to five years that hasn't changed much in no it's iding time I K think I put in my about what the is so you think a car is 30,000 miles average per year times 4 years is like 120,000 miles uh 4.9 hours per shift twice a day equals 9.8 idling hours 9.8 time 30 miles for each each hour that is iding 294 miles a day so at the at the end of this calculation uh with the average driving miles the plus the average idling miles it's like 227,000 that's what they could that's what the Ford calculator for calculator considers that the car will have at the end of life even though the odometer may say like 120 okay the average like 2 something is the firearm repl every years 10 every 10 10 to 15 is this for 17 for this is it's more because we we replace them for the reserves res keep and then we keep SP but this is replacing all of them all everything in in including the uh rifles and the cars so the lifespan is about 10 10 to 15 years depending on usage and exposed to environmental conditions the ones we have now just over what out on uh the components on the inside the uh the outside you know like got the holster wear that they're right next to a soft box out here so and they don't and they're not reliable while back we um is loster still able to use their range are they coming up to use our range still or is that I just saw them in the paper today they're using a private range so they're using a private range they use k k yeah um in gl's renovation they're going to have a three Lane indoor range uh and they're going to allow the kand communities to use that on the off off season they got some grant money through the state and part of that was to make it like a regional thing so we'll be taking obviously advantage of of of that but when we allow communities and it's basically a continuous communities that use our range uh they're reimbursing us with ammunition do we have any more questions say would be helpful to get the memo yeah yeah I st that yeah I think she said it was not quite so if you don't have everyone's email send it to me and I can forward it on a good day so we good y thank you very much thank you not to painful I hope right do you have any updates for us Andy wants to wait for all next week okay are there any surprises well one of his main messages is that um General government operations are probably lean to forms it's extremely efficient a doge expected yeah um may not be as effective message yeah uh certainly Public Safety we have not particular operation everything else would be surprised at the small number sa we have except total staff counts still about 68 or 70 7 to about where we were we di a little we haven't gone past where we were I see in public safety yes that remained about the same number of people retirement right the addition oh okay y clusters of Department work together that includes physical locations to Greg and and how they're clustered in terms of physically located not so much just for supervision so okay Finance director overseeing treasury assess rather everybody report to me yes have a couple and you said you'll send that report everybody thank you end of next week and the week after thank you and then once we you know get some comments back we'll do some fine tuning and then we'll have a presentation do you don't think it's going to have a significant impact on the budget or not sure have a significant I mean will recommend I think it it'll be sort of HR position Benefit Management payroll pay house so we're already paying certain for started from zero and we're not doing payroll in house Oh I thought we were that's sh okay so if you're bring an inhouse that also helps with the yeah y okay so would that be pable for all 70 I know the trend is kind of to push that out to critical mass people with a lot of expertise up to the laws and all that stuff they don't usually see it coming back in you're right I'm not sure if he's ever recog that anything else next item is to approve the minutes from January 8th I made some changes and sent them out pretty late this afternoon good thank you Gil it is I think it's helpful to have these minutes for the next meeting I do too I very much really appreciate that thank you I didn't notice where the comments I made about the investment income are included com com at the meeting said are we comfortable with this 230 number I'm let say get some information right well I thought that was kind of covered on the fact that we were looking at the revenue projections yeah and we're going to have that I'm writing something up that's right so we doing something okay got it okay I do I have a motion to approve the minutes from January 8th as amended you do as amended yes Peter second Andy seconds any discussion all in favor Tom yes Dean yes Peter yes Andy do yes yes okay yeah I know that the school is confirmed that they could come on the 29th correct um I was at another meeting they're happy to do that but they had more ination couple weeks terms of health insurance and presentation of their Bud to come they just men that and that would still be before they finalize the budget so they have the hearing on the fifth yeah um and then they'll take a couple couple meetings after that before they so she was thinking to if if you did it after the fifth then then she could report on some feedback from the fifth okay after Fe right so maybe the 12th is that too soon you think okay schools now I have to confirm okay yeah um well I purposly on the January 23 meeting I did not say who we were meeting with on the 29th because I didn't have confirmation so at least I don't have to amend that agenda yeah because that's holidays Monday so the town's not open so I can't do an agenda on Monday trying to get my zba agenda out by tomorrow um so let's see if we can come 12 February let's do feu let's aim for February 12 and then I have where my what's my stuff okay so so we would move fire up to the 20 did he have his baby did did the fire chief have his baby yes is it a boy or a girl he's got a lot going on employes is he taking time off said itday yeah you find out I mean you know that's important I agree I agree um so I'm sure someone's about to dial into hear the meeting and come raise their hand us um so is he taking time off yes so I think the question is is can we do fire instead of the school on the 29th yes yes you I won't be here oh so you'd rather wait fire for 25 okay that's fine since he is on we might as well wait Town how about the library in the town library in town to the 29th let's see if that I'm sure okay certainly can be General government okay let me see because then we'll do the school on that 12th date y okay so I'm sorry the school would be on 2 212 so DBW is next week y the week after that is library and town we hope we know we can do town maybe not Library um fire we keeping on 25 School District we're doing on 212 219 is CPC in town and 227 is capital and then we're still waiting to hear from Andrea whether Dan Sherman and the Auditors can meet with us on 35 yes okay just said CPC and no CPC and town is due 19 so the 29th is 123 is DPW 129 is library and TX 25 is fire 212 is the Regional School District and 219 is CPC and town a different town no too many sorry what's on theth fire it's not and then 227 is capital all right and then the Auditors on 35 at op and then we know 22 Capital not 225 it is the well let me double check that's what I written down February 27th is a Thursday I have zba on the 26th and then so then I will I'll aim for 312 for the fin report I'll try to do it earlier if I can do we know what the deadline is it three weeks yes we'd love to have it all into that okay yeah okay I'll try that and my understanding is is we do have some applicants for the fincom position I have touch Bas I think we're still waiting for one to come in we have two others that are in one of them is incomplete somebody filled out an application that was mostly incomplete and they didn't send an email to Alan right any anything else we need to get your C yes we spent quite a bit of time talking about the concept of project which Kathy brought up in the last meeting she and I are meeting about next week um as to whether Project based planning can be done with a lot of players as opposed to oneoff meetings with each department um that's a comp just in the midst of's preparing presentation I asked for um if there is any conceptual of the DPW garage site plan see what there's a big there design anything else I'll take a motion to adj sure just just just a moment more cover for boats can we talk about just is that Capital I'm just not enthusiastic about this covered deal um I don't I understand things wear out by being out I got it but I think it's I'm very concerned that we don't have a DPW plan yet and seems we really need that before we want to spend something for both storage other than just covering them in the sort of more I'm say was saying that's where my thinking is I don't know where where others are the idea buying you know stff yeah I agree well didn't we approve one for the DPW that was never bought qued Hut to protect their equipment yeah whatever of the harbor budget is it's lot you know if if push to later on we might be more you know a Ford might be fine but very supportive of I think the coun about getting a plan multi-year plan um I just see this growing like it's growing enormously since we brought a Harbor Master it's it's just skyrocketed there was no money being put into the harbor before buying it which wasn't a good thing about say I'm not against it we need something that looks at them all the year it feels like we're always buying books yeah well I was a little upset that the price of them we just got those launches now all of a sudden we're getting rid of one it's not a good image not good I think really a multi-year plan is needed here and I think it needs have a revision number on it so next year it doesn't become something different the year after think we'll be able to hear that plan before the we finish the budget process this year we need to allow some time for that Sarah in term well when we're doing pel on 2:27 so there is some time yeah so you will okay it will be D but we have concept okay well because I think before we take it to town meeting I just feel like even though much of it's covered by this grant it's just a whole step forward very substantial do we know when we know about the grant this in beginning 2025 I hope we can hear the plan that that Capital conversation I'd like to know about it before we go Ming on with the capital numbers yeah all wa Year yes yeah well I understand I'm not necessarily against that just simply feel we need that plan to be able to see the thing your look thanks okay the capital thing is the Rotunda in process a year out where it's the rough set on this year's capital budget so hope'll be apped for funds okay like fall construction project okay that would mean those funds project what does that tell you it would be under construction secure the grants this spring and summer construction over the I think there's a 300,000 request through the CPC okay so for portion of the our portion of the grant is what I think two there's two grand SS each million and then 300,000 2.3 is what we think we need f storms crazy the winds been crazy yes had a b stor wind heavy F benches by my front door they keep getting blown over I can barely Ru them there so heavy directional change we're with this moves to aour Second seconds all in favor thank you