##VIDEO ID:uwUCFx3dIvU## yeah we always have I we can go back to that not use system one or the other yeah yeah I'm not sure I clear over here now can hear wait a minute oh they can hear that's what okay I now I now can hear but you don't know what you did it still got the exclamation point yeah I heard you say my name I thought that okay we were talking about yes the I think makes sense board to take the lead um the short rental bylaw as a general bylaw that's the planning board focus on Adu and and how that'll be treated for rentals my sense is they want to prohibit that yes from short-term rentals any new adus that are to in so that that can stand alone and you can move forward with any changes to the the short-term rental B so I thought where we left off was you had provided a sample give you glosser as an example okay so it' be helpful to have some feedback on that what other parameters you'd like to try to incorporate okay would you mind resending it because I probably was longer than 30 days ago and my email thank you okay so then this action here February 18th is that really an update from the planning board on the adus or do we want to use that time to discuss short-term rentals the planning board doesn't meet [Music] again after the 18th so okay so they won't have any more information so why don't we use that to discuss okay so let's so let's remove that note that update from planning board then I'm no longer confus okay well um in that case uh the first item on our agenda is the sustainability committee um interview with Ma I'm sorry I yeah so tell us why you want to waste your spend your evenings a committee well I'm interested in Jo the sustainability there's an open uh V uh position on it so i' you know moved here three years ago and I've been interested in uh in joining for for all this time actually now position actually opened up and a friend who's already interest um you you you gave us a brief resume but a little more about what your professional and educational experiences um fit in sure abely so my master's degree is in public policy with the energy environment Focus from UCLA um some years ago and uh and ever since you know my work has been um in the kind of sustainability world so with a stand Finance um called series which is based in Boston um Insurance practice there engaged with insurance companies and regulators and shareholders on on climate environmental issues by taking them seriously this was a few years ago and I think we're now seeing unfortunately uh the impacts challeng well let's say the impacts of climate change in influence events can happen hous markets s speak was recent um since then I I was then um investment consulting firm it's called Mercer um here in in the city um and I was one of sustainable investing practice there so I was helping investors you know insurance companies Dallas foundations figure out how to what they wish to do around kind of sustainability topics that could be environmental or social issues um and then helping them develop plans of action to invest their Capital effectively to achieve those objectives so um yeah so that's that's been a bit of my background um good Max it's good good to meet you have you been involved with Town committees in earlier in your life at all or is this your first for a into kind of town government activities not directly now okay and not Manchester all right fine well that's that's good your your perspective is interesting because you've got kind of a high level view yes things tend to be a little granular here have you been uh involved attended a couple of the meetings um well a few of the Town meetings yes but U okay but I mean this committee or you know somebody on the committee yes no Jen oh sorry I did sorry excuse me I did uh the lastability all right so you know you know who the players are a little bit exactly here some of the agenda items my own U you know thoughts and Reflections so one idea in particular is um trying to make more of the town's let's say various pieces of of information that exist out there um you know we can get a breakdown say trash Solid Waste it's going to landfill versus recycling rates you know black say that W probably has that there's there's you know kind making that more accessible average citizen for example it doesn't go to a landfill at all yes doesn't no we said nothing to a landfill okay we've got an incinerator yeah the wasn't some some may know that yeah so that and then you know energy consumption um course the town uh there's a lot of M this kind of out there how many of our residents in you know zip code have taken advantage of mass save energy programs for example because that's well I have as well so six months ago yeah it's a it can be a big savings for the town for populists for you know individuals and so um of course yet there are environmental benefits as well so it's kind of just trying to pack that up um and this was in the context of thinking about the sustainability committee's revamp of their website so what more can we do to engage uh the town on citizens okay well that's great really kind of the crooks of my questioning was have you got ideas yes because new people means new ideas and this sounds great so it sounds like you'll be you be a really good contribut so good thanks you have a great resume here it sounds like you're the perfect person for this job so thank you for stepping up and your interest yeah I just kind of piggybacking on John's question mine is really around sustainability is a pretty broad topic and you mentioned ideas that you have but is there a particular area of sustainability that you're passionate about or wanted to focus um on absolutely well you know I think part of what I'm thinking about is the the Mandate of the committee you know I don't want to get too expansive because yes this can mean a lot of things a lot of people and and you know the the the United Nations that is commission commission back in back 80s broadly thought what sustainability mean it was in the context of sustainable development so it's really about meeting the needs of current Generations while not you know negatively impacting overly um future Generations uh ability to meet their own needs so in that context you know thinking about legacies thinking about how can we also you know preserve the way of life of this town um with rising sea levels with increasing he W droughts we've seen in the last few years um in our region and wild fires down the road um which is pretty unusual I'm born and raised in Massachusetts and these were new things uh you know my my my few decades here so all this to say there's things are changing um you know our insurance was canceled on our home this year we had to go out and find another one which is thankfully okay um they end up actually saving money which is great but but all is to say that that that was kind of just a an indication that bigger pieces are in play and this town you know can be well these Global things happening because thank you thank you for stepping up and volunteering appreciate it um I don't you have you have covered anything that I was going to ask um Jeff I think you have a motion motion yep I move that the select board appoint Max Miss sery thank you okay to the sustainability committee for a term to expire on June 30th 2026 second forther discussion yes and says yes Kathy yes yes thank you thank very much Ma meet you okay what are the um the police chief is first well here we are again congratulations on the certification open anyone that maybe we should car um so I guess over the last quarter things have been kind of slow which is not OB well except for a kidnapping and yeah I mean not out of the ordinary for you know this this time of year I guess we did have that one call um but as a result of some I guess some inquiries from a couple of residents in regards to our emergency preparedness and Greg's article the cricket last week my memo to you guys has highlighted sort of the High Lev things that we've been doing for emergency uh preparedness working with Jake has been wonderful um and you know as you can see there's uh been a lot of things that we've done things that we focus on moving forward um I think some fy2 26 goals for emergency management is uh Jake and I just talking about the community Emergency Response Team getting that set up I've had a couple of uh residents uh Reach Out Express their interest um hip switch has a phenomenal team which I think we're going to kind of regionalize with them uh they got 20 or 30 members and so we might piggy back in some of their training um baning the k b emergency uh response planning team to Hamilton wam since our um shelter our regional shelter is going to be in Wenham uh bring them on board so we have a little uh some more assets to to pull from um and we're going to the capan regional uh team is going to expand into quarterly meetings with you guys and uh Town Town Town administrators and their offices U moving forward so um more to come on that um the regional shelter project I'm hoping to be done with that uh since manest is the uh the spead of it hoping to be done with that in this this quarter actually a call tomorrow with MPC uh in regards to the next steps um things that we're working on at the uh Regional level is capan evacuation routes um work come on on that and the chief and I were just talking about uh the Emergency Management funding here for for the town um we're going to get together and probably bring back something uh at one of your next meetings I hope and and bring it to the finance committee be before uh uh the Emergency Management budget is voted on uh it's actually under the fire department I'm not sure when when you're going up to to them but um with there some ideas and some things that we want to uh present just to expand on uh what we're currently doing um one of the things that uh I'd like to see expanded with that some of that Emergency Management funding is we have a a drone operator and we we currently own a drone uh like to ask the sergeant machine who's our licensed drone operator to become a member of the nck Drone team um which would he'd be called out for Mutual Aid situations where there's um barricaded suspects and missing persons and stuff like that n is the uh Northeast Mass law enforcement Council okay yeah yeah which we became a part of last year so other than that that's pretty much a high level overview of the the Emergency Management um once again we're starting to recruit for parking enforcement uh Haley Donovan has been with us for the last couple of years uh she's going to go to the full-time Police Academy I'm thinking in June we don't we we currently don't have a position for her uh however we have a sponsorship program which she takes on most of the re uh lot all of the LI liability and all of the expenses uh then she would come out be full-time Police Academy trained and we could put her to work as a reserve right away or my thought is she's going to get scooped up by someone uh that needs a full full-time aity trained person um community policing working with Tiffany on a conference on the fundraiser for the comfort do uh for Daisy we develop a corporate sponsorship program that'll be coming out shortly def has been a big help on that uh new website's been launched updated some of the things that we uh instead of people coming in to renew their firearms licensing they can get all the the forms and uh direct contact with Officer Mullins who's our Firearms licens officer through the website uh that's been a huge help and budget we're on still remaining sort of on track the where were uh last quarter haven't got any any worse we've made some uh changes to Staffing um especially not um staing the lobby as much as we were um hasn't proved any e either way whether that's it's really worth it or or not we still have people coming in all the time to uh seek assistant or see an officer and one of the big things my one of the personal highlights I don't know if you saw that I was uh selected one of 18 cap uh Essex County officers to attend the Holocaust Memorial uh April 8th down in Washington DC and the purpose of this is to educate law enforcement officers of uh uh in current day of the role that they played in Nazi Germany uh back in World War II and that's sponsored by the Lain foundation and Cliff and Susan rer CH foundation so I'm really looking forward to that people I've talked to offers that have gone before me and said it's really moving a really good experience I'm having to do that one day that's kind of where out this this quarter and I guess I said the focus still emergency man question I have and it's probably as well um I don't like having things stored in multiple places um so I'm wondering how you're working with having your website and separate from the town website um well we have direct links on on my website so it's a uh direct links to uh Town services so okay is there a corresponding link yes for the town website the town website so so if I want to renew my firearms license you go to the town okay okay so it is reasonably well it's just anytime you have two pieces of inform a piece of information stored in two places one of them is wrong or not updated yet yeah yes so I I trust that that you and Tiffany or whoever are working together to make sure that the stuff that's police there's going to be one source of Truth for data yeah so links to a website don't really address that that's more around the usability can someone find this stuff um you're you're poking at something that I was going to poke at as well because I spent most of my career getting rid of um disparate websites because over time um it gets expensive doesn't seem like that now but if you are not using the same software for your communication to the community and you're using something different and parks and wreck is using something different and the town is using something different that's four or five different vendors that we're dealing with and over time that gets expensive and we need to stop doing it okay so I think this is a separate discussion um about who's responsible for your it spend but this kind of stuff gets out of hand very quickly um because you get attached to your software you like it and and it serves your purpose but um over time it gets very expensive in addition to the data not matching if you try to communicate um with other um departments that might have their own stuff so I just think it's something we we don't want to propagate and we should probably at some point take a look at what we've already done it's it's something we got to watch so maybe an action for after tile meeting yeah to look at the structure of websites in town I I I know how frustrating it can be to have to work with something that's not yours because you don't have the right to change your information and going through a hierarchy to get stuff that you want to get out quickly is really frustrating that well but yeah I mean Department department heads do have the authority to add and delete content from their p okay that's how the town website works yeah so we've got fire police and Pike and rack those are the three fire police par and and C besides the yeah so our our website is a total package with our public relations contract every year yes right right what about Board of Health they just rely on the town there's no other uniqu correct okay that's good we don't want anymore this is what we're saying and it's it's um like I said at some point the more sophisticated you get using your software the more you will want to share data with most likely you know the fire department it could be other the 911 that's that's another software package right the norro 911 they have their own software that we use well we use IMC with right so that's another so I'm just saying it's not a separate website not that's right it's not a website that's true but the more you have this disparate stuff the more you will want to share data to make your life easier or the resident's life easier and and it just it gets out of hand after town meeting yeah yeah okay um I just kind of on that point um you know Todd and I use the same vendor and and the reason we do that is when we have a sensitive uh topic like you know what happened a few weeks ago we make one phone call and they articulate it in a safe uh direct manner um so everything is um kind of cohesive if you will at least on the public safety side that's awesome good toar yeah that that service that provided uh CH just said it's invaluable situations important piece that we don't have to manage during you know day prices the website is just inp shoot so it's a service you're buying and the website is just a piece of the service so that's a whole package yeah so you guys are on the same thing and the Harbor Master is not thank you that's all I have yeah no I I I I read your report Tod looks very complete always seems like you're very very busy which you are I think every every quarter and the fact that there's a lot of teamwork that's getting involved with all this emergency prepar this stuff is uh is important I was I was wondering about the funding that you had brought up all of this stuff takes time and money Etc is that funding I know a lot of the funding that is associated with emergency preparedness there are various grants and types of things are you saying we still need more grants or is this kind of an internally financed thing or both so the only grant that we take advantage of right now is the emergency Grant the the Emergency Management prar gr of the mpg and that's how we purchase the Drone that's how we purchase the UTV that we got this year um so but that's only $5,500 uh and it's based on the size of your U Town not based on the population not how financially well off you are sure that's good yeah yeah yeah yeah um so uh we can look obviously if there's something that uh comes up we'll uh take advantage of it but that's pretty much all we do take advantage of for okay so other than that internally we have to well you will come to us and say this is how much money we need to keep the budget I believe was like $7500 and most of it went to our like the smart 911 but now that regional's taken over of that I see this year has been cut to to $1,500 so again if we want to prepare ourselves and do some training and make sure that we uh have the community response teams available to us have to fund certain things for them okay that's what we're trying to P together all right that's that's good another question I had was um on the parking and I know we're going to be talking parking in general but I know you want to expand the number of sticks that you've got out there I was just curious like for fire hydrants and you would mention that like and put them there how does it respond to that people kind of stop there for a minute to drop somebody off or is that like after a few minutes a stick would say you can set it up whatever you want any way you want so so like the 2hour limit you get get like a seven minute grace Peri fine even it's a high hydrant but if it's more than seven well you've gone some yeah that's a problem okay that's good and our dogs a walking billboard trying to come up with creative ways to to fund it so okay we're doing okay right now with some of the funding that we already receive but you know Rob all have you prospected around people that say Hey this is a good idea I'm in or it's not there yet Tiffany will be doing that very short okay I'm curious great great okay uh thank you for all your hard work this quarter it looks great um congratulations on being selected for the uh the Holocaust project yeah that should be interesting um emergency preparedness wise what do you think us as a town what is our biggest hitle there um flooding flooding yeah plooding and your your infrastructure uh when we did the uh drill or or the tabletop exercise the biggest concern is not Tre and obviously probably but we lose the wastewater treatment and there months and months and months to to back on onp line and we pop in all your surage the evacuation Roots is is another flooding issue um because there are least three spots where 1 127 Isner I don't think we as bad as BL that's something we're going to have to address response see just line I I I have seen it with o on it I mean I I foresee 128 if we have to evacuate this area 128 you know the four lanes the Northbound southbound lane going south and working with the states similar to what would happen on cape card because the cape has a pretty good uh plan for that um so I think it's basically working with the state police and all the the communities along 128 to shot down 128 and everybody just that's going to be hard if it floods at exactly so it's all about when I when I went to the hurricane preparedness down in Miami it's all about early and often early get getting the message out making the the call earlier rather so you so you you you do your you don't end up having everybody in gler anding in dog cat and and you do it exactly thank you yeah just one um couple things um I was also looking at the annual report I think that you had sent out us the stats just looking from 2019 to 2024 they look great I mean it's like um so I'm curious two questions number one our crashes went way down they you resp responded to and I was curious if those numbers include what happens on 128 or is it just in the streets of the Town it is any crash we respond to any crash so even if it happened to be that's a quite a significant drop that's if you see Al the the arrests are up yeah the arrests are up the animal controls way down the alarm false alarms I guess are just alarms in general way down disorderly conduct way up so just the numbers themselves were very interesting um is there anything that we need to know or that that where we could be of help uh no not really the the arrest increase is I put it due to a younger more motivated police okay that's my take on on that you know they're out there doing their more stops I think the operating under the TU y so that's just my my take on your take is better than the rest of ours so that I don't leave the call volume I don't think the nature of the calls has changed I just think it's more proactive okay and um we're going to talk parking later so that was it just thank you I think everything's going great you already did me I'm sorry me too okay okay I pretend that I discussing Brian that's all I gonna pick up Brian slack over here good evening good evening hey hey uh so everything for the fire department is going uh pretty well we're making uh some forward progress uh we had some goals which we accomplished this past quarter um one of the things that we um completed was an evaluation of every employee and then uh the officer you offic evaluations of me we kind of did a 360 um kind of look and came up with strengths and weaknesses and then we made some uh group changes and shuffles to optimize our strengths and limit our weaknesses uh this past uh last they finished up mov groups around uh last week um so that's going um vehicles and stuff we're still borrowing thankfully the Lindfield engine uh their station is looking to be complete somewhere uh late fall so we'll say early spring uh but the chief said that as long as their um apparatus stay St status quo we can maintain borrowing that engine which is a u big relief for me at least for um sustainability and uh you know having a backup if something happens so um it's mirror to a current trucks so literally the training is emical so the kind just switch in and out as we it and that gives us the ability to do oil changes preventative maintenance which um I think some of which was done I think some of it um have been more particular as of late to make sure that we get the longest lifespan out of our apparatus that we can possibly get um we work with specially vehicles in rosenow um they had a sourcewell contract for the state which basically allows us to spec a truck and order the truck pending appropriation which uh sounds like that's never going to be in a contract ever again uh but we were able to uh utilize that to our advantage uh and as long as we get the appropriation for the next three years we'll save a little over $200,000 by getting it today's money versus waiting until FY 28 and then we had time so that was a big Plus in maintaining our apparatus replacement plan kind of keeping us on track um with that uh Staffing we've uh had no issues the overtime uh Is On Target I'll kind of go over the percentages in a moment um one of the biggest pushes or needs for the next fixel year I know we've talked about the last two years is adding a day staff uh position uh just for consistency um if I fall off the edge of the Earth the fire department should not skip repeats um and we're not at that point I'm not saying I'm great but we're not at that point yet and I think that's something that we need to be at um and you know we can kind of discuss that further uh callif fire fighters are working out great uh we have one fire just kind of doing a performance Improvement plan just to increase um uh productivity and responses and things like that overall uh well overwhelming Success software our first doe is up and operational uh all the modules have been um ins serviced one of the things that we found during one of our reviews is uh documentation of calls for instance if we go to a Lifeline activation for a lip assist who that getting documented as a f call because no one was transported versus a medical call so uh all the staff uh and the officers we have for Le meeting coming up and everyone's going to be streamlined so our data is Apples to Apples kind of eliminating some of the gray area uh one of the big things that was on my to-do list was to get bur permits in our first du system um the doesn't sound like a big feat but it is because as people get into our community connect system which gives us the ability to get information that they want to provide to us so when we respond to somebody's house we know especially with this cold weather where their water shut off is a big one so we can limit the damage of the pipe burst things like that so uh we've had an overwhelming positive uh response to the public about that system and I think in the past two weeks you know we've sold you know 30 burning permits but we've had 60 people sign up for community connect so it's working out very very well uh training um we the crews do training every day you probably see them out and about um they're required to do something every day and then there's two trainings a month each group's assigned once's a bigger training which is more involved the other training is more specific for instance ice rescue Auto exportation Etc uh coming up we'll be working with uh Essex hopefully Hamilton one and ipt on combine ice rescue incident because we have something like that we need the extra staff and safety we have initiated a lock box program which I am shocked at the uh outpouring of requests for lock boxes in town so we installed I think seven and I have 15 or 16 people on the waiting list for the next Grant opportunity and that was a regional Grant again with Essex um which was very well received um so that that went very very well other than that we're working on updating our sop and S so's we're aiming the six to eight a month uh depending on how complex they are you don't want to overwhelm everybody with too much change at once so we could do it little by little um other than that our overtime like I said is going well uh as of today we are 56% through our fiscal budget we've expended 55% in salaries and 59% in operating costs and the operating cost is mainly due uh that kind of bump is our ambulance inspection was last month so we have to replace equip that's some the consumable equipment that expires overall be Bud um other than that um you know I can't say enough about uh my counterparts and Public Safety uh just during the snowstorm um a crew reach out to me said we showed up to a medical and the DPW had already plowed the street and the driveway because they were right there um that is something that you know we should be proud of and you know having the all the Departments working together really um the community sees it and I see it and it's a huge benefit That You Don't See in a lot of other places so um if you were to find yourself in a position where you needed plowing how do you have a way of so so the DPW was monitoring our our frequency on the overnight they heard the medical come in they had a plow already on Summer Street and went to the address that we had and um they were already in process but we have them in our uh radios as well so we can call them on their channels okay yeah but it was just it was literally we didn't even ask it was already done which is pretty impressive so I have some questions just around um we talked about emergency preparedness with Chief VD uh the Wildfire is out in California right so it's on everybody's mind we had our little parks that we had over the fall um that and just in general out of all the what nine square miles we have here where is the biggest risk from a fire so we just finished up the uh kpn uh CW capn Wildfire prar this plan uh so they looked at the uh K van as a region um we have hopefully getting additional fund to actually go in and actually look at the depth and how thick the woods are right now I'd say our biggest risk is probably from Pine Street to Beverly farms and the Crooked Lane up in that area um one of the things that we've been working with now thanks uh to Chief is Gerald we're able to use the uh emergency repair this grant to get that side by side which increases our ability to get into the woods and actually look at the trails see where our hazards are um one of the other areas you know we look at water supply that was a big thing that came up in California uh Chuck and Nate uh we've been in conversations with the water supply some of the infrastructure upgrades that we've been doing um has made a big difference now if we see you know I just I haven't responded to an email uh yet we've had a bunch of emails coming in uh from residents concerned about wildfires um you know if we had multiple house fires and a brush fire going on at the same time if it was just here and we could bring water in from other towns um we might be okay U we are set up with a t alarm running C through Essex County so so we have tankers already um ready to come here if we need it and that's automatic with regional so if we go to a certain address we can just say we need a uh tank tank truck task force that will come automatically it's already predefined we like when we went to Middleton we were part of the forest bio task force so that was a predefined response so that would happen if we had something like that happen aside from the wild brush fires um is the any particular area like in the downtown or area that you consider high risk and the reason I'm asking the questions is now we've passed you know our our response to the 3A zoning and we might see more multif family um structures and they are different right than the single yeah so I mean we look at you know Urban interface and you look at you know um powder house Hill forance you know when you look at it square footage or or acreage Wise It's not that big but it probably has as much of an impact if you will as the woods that I was just talking about because it uh so basically all it comes down to pre-planning um and then you know reaching out to Residents we have another dve about what they can do to prevent it you cleaning up the leaves not just making a leaf pile you know over the over the rock wall um things like that that will you know cut down on the amount of materials available great job um thank you for all your hard work um getting out in front making that deal on that engine that's huge because get out in front of EPA changes and all that it's going to save us a lot of money so that's great um one qu in the packet here there was question uh the incident heat map what am I looking at there so basically that's for that last 30 days I if it's I think you're probably looking at December because I didn't get my to you to this morning it's other things going on um but it's a heat map is the last 30 days of where our incidents are occurring um so that's something I look at on the fire side if we had for instance a flu outbreak I can look at a medical side and see if there's one area of town that's more affected uh by flu outbreaks based upon What patients are complaining of during transport so we can use that we can kind of move that map to see you know maybe wildfires where you know where the um you know incidents are happen and adjust our resources appropriately all right in follow up to that so heat map that's just not that that's all of your activity for the last 30 days medical and fire which is heat and I wasn't sure when you said heat wasn't drawn we we can if you wanted to know medical ver fire we can you know basically aggregate that out if you will I don't know in the last month I may same that's another story so so I'm glad to hear that the uh lint field fire engine were just not warehousing that I knew that we were using had that because I got no place to put it yet yeah it was a mutual thing you know we've done an oil change you know we've we've been a good uh borrower of it um which they appreciate and if you don't use it you lose it sort of things you want to keep it active so stuff keeps on moving so that's good um I've got a question about Community connect and how long has that been live now I think that one was November couple months fairly the burning permits was the first thing that really thrust the residents into using the system and um Tiffany had put out a couple things in the tide and we were slowly starting to okay kind of push it Forward uh we're trying to be careful in our dissemination of information because reverse 91 is the town giving information to the public Community connect is the public giving information to us so you know if you had a um resident or you know somebody in your house that you know broke a leg and they were mobile you go into your community connect update that that updates an our trucks live so if we get dispatched to your address we see it and the person heals and it better you can take it out and it's instantaneous so people can provide as much information as they want most of the time it's where my gas shut off is water shut off um we have a few people that have disabled or um you know handicapped uh individuals living at their house and they tell us where their bedrooms are because we'd have to go in saves us time to locate them no I mean I I signed up a few days ago just hunting around and seeing it I I understand you drive people there because anytime you want some sort of a permit or something feeds you into there okay while you're here fill out a few of these questions some of those might be hard I'm looking at them people don't know some people don't put anything where's my G I don't know where my water shut off is understand that so and you got how many to date would you say I mean your goal is 2,000 yeah I I we probably have in the 90 okay pushing 100 or so in a couple of months all right well we'll have to keep track of that and say okay how can we be more proactive to get more folks signed up so that's that's good I I I saw it it was good good questionnaire and um appreciate everything that's been going on you've been very diligent responsive to the Community here and uh the overtime yeah it's down about 50% from what it was kind of tracking that good yeah so no it's well and it gives us the ability to that we can do some more we can do on duty training and we can bring a few people in from time to time to make training consistent which is important because if I give four groups a training outline it's going to be completed but there's going to be some irregularities in some of the outcome so having you know the train coordinator come in from time to time to run those trainings you know makes them that much better we have the ability to do that now well thanks for everything you do just we thinking fire hazard areas um the area around loading Place Road um heavily wooded in the area no water yeah uh so we have a couple different options there are a couple pawns that we can draft from uh depending again if we're in a drought uh situation or or it's ice over yeah exactly um or what we do is we come in down forest stre grab the last hydrant and again we could either do a tanker shuttle um so for instance essex's tanker holds 3500 gallons of water Middleton has one this you know Newbury has one so there's there's a few of them there is a response delay that's why one of the things that regionals task with is based upon calls they're receiving they don't have to wait to ask to do certain things certain things are just automatic to reduce the reaction time okay so that would that area be highlighted in some way so on our on our Maps you know if I put an address in it'll say not non-hydrogen nonhydrated area it might even say limited access where you know some people put pillows up and our fire trucks can't fit in there so we have to adjust our response uh capability so whole bunch of things come into play but yes we have all that um you know outlined in our software and we also have that on paper too that way fails uh and I I try to update the paper quarterly in the B so we have something to refer back to um something asked is when you go for a medical call yeah you tend to roll a lot of equipment we roll two pieces to a medical call uh typically depending on staff so if we have a three-person crew you have uh two people in the ambulance and you'll have the officer on duty in the car okay if we have a four-person crew you'll have two in the ambulance and two and fire uh the reason we do that we send the people because most of the time uh when we um come across well-nourished individuals and only on the second and third floor that we need to carry down uh so we need extra muscles um and then also the amount of calls that we do the simultaneous calls having two pieces of apparatus allow us to uh peel off and go to a second call at the same time uh and on average we're doing that about 18 times a month we have a simultaneous it's it's insane we'll go you know we can go 20 hours without a call and we'll do three and 15 minutes you like you spread this out a little bit but maybe maybe you could do that through reverse 911 so that's the Reas schedule your emergencies so so that's the reason that you see the those apparatus responding is because of extra you know okay so if a truck shows up it's it's not because the car wasn't available it's it's because there's two people and then if they have if they got a fire call they can go it's a concern for people like me who have long windy driveways and and um you know are we going to get the truck backed into one of my pillars yeah so so I I doew it two different ways one is a lot of times to see the trucks uh Park in Street and the guy and the extra guys will walk in uh to me every call we go on is an opportunity to train okay so when they pull into the driveway yes they're there maybe because you know you burnt chicken or you're cooking but they're also looking if this house is on fire it's usually bacon you know where would we park where would we want to put the of truck so every time we go on a response yes it's a response but it's also a training activity because it gives us the ability to get into these areas that you know we can't just pull people rways okay thank you and and and brings up a point here the number of simultaneous calls or overlapping calls yeah that trend has been going up okay and I two years ago it was once a week it was about four or five now it's more like 10 12 14 and I noticed that the number of total calls that you have hasn't changed that it's like 1100 1200 a year but the overlaps have doubled tripled got got comment unless somebody sees the fire truck go by and like hey maybe I should call I don't know maybe some of just better record keeping that's uh I mean we we you know the the all the systems now are integrated you know that come down from Regional so it could be recordkeeping um you know some before sometimes we were just you know doing our best guess of the time now it's curious yeah it is interesting to see the Trends month to month and um you know Memorial Day to LY days the weekend or our busiest time which you know some of the things you you can take an educated guest good very much okay count administrators okay well last quarter I like to include that those that a special gu meeting ready for that and executing it it was the largest town meeting the town has seen uh overall I think from the logistical point of view went went quite well obviously cre a task force leading up to that work very hard get information out so again just from a logistic point of view Communications point of view I think that that was a good good case study for us should service while going forward try when we have similar issues how do we want to try to address it I this good lesss there um budget work has been um priority putting the preliminary budget together and presenting that to both you and the finance committee obviously that'll keep going now between now and end of March we finalize it and get ready for the annual annual town meeting uh We've uh brought on board the um two conss one for the operations audit hope to see that draft report maybe the end of this week if not into next so I'll get that out to you as soon as we have it for your comments and also we brought on board the recruiting firm and that process is well on way advertise on the street and you'll be interviewing the screening committee next week so that's that's going well um the nation building getting close to sign pns on that few more a few more eyes to dot but we're very close um so that's that's uh getting to where it should be so does that come before us the pns well yeah just waiting for their final comments and then we'll get that to you um and uh and dealing with um the Cent Street culbert project making sure that we're getting all this uh signatures from the land owners continues to uh occupy some time hopefully bring that to a successful next St very soon um so a lot of those will continue on for this quarter now obviously budget and getting ready for the annual town meeting cly front and center and then those two projects as well audit and the and the search the priorities as we go forward um stepping wise uh we do have a new conservation agent starting up um in the middle of February feary 11th should come on board this is a shared agent between us and Hamilton um we have the two three days a week in Hamilton we'll have two days so uh couple of bits and starts there but hopefully this will be a solid higher and some will stay on with us similarly we were struggling to bring our Board of custodian um and new person started today so that will be a lasting relationship as well question so what are the responsibilities of the custodian regarding like the scope of that person's responsibilities so General custodial work in in this building library and seaside one do they oversee contracts or perform the function of El they perform the functions themselves um and they also do some some light building repair and maintenance work I was wondering why you know have we ever looked at having a service um we did have a service previous okay that was not successful it U it was not very satisfactory um it very I shouldn't fund Arrangement was pretty good because the people that they had um it was always a struggle to get as as much work as we wanted and then there's a a price point where it became more expensive to keep going with them rather than bring in the house but we've done both um and ideally uh the person can do some facility planning maintenance that's I was wondering overseeing elevator inspections okay so it's more than tradition boiler annual boiler maintenance making sure that that gets done those sorts of building requirements any other gaps and Personnel is that the uh custodian is the only one right now so that person just started today just okay it's not longer again sounds more like a facilties maintenance person so no right now we are fully staffed as of today not quite by when the agent comes on we still have that to bring on board otherwise otherwise we are um looking to town meeting and electronic voting are we pretty looking pretty good there yes I think we are yeah um you know we did have the the last vote not when we needed it the most yeah it was the most critical but um but we we we know what happened there and and correct going forward think there has been request for specific coding computers using your computer as a right was a little scary right right so yes we will we will make sure we have dedicated tariffs show up okay yes good point we it would be good to be able to do some testing yes well before April yeah y yeah those are and and and pretty simple machines to to there there are lots of really cheap really fast so but nice to get yep we have something that's just dedicated for that purpose don't worry that I might remember gr pass didn't hear you say that okay how's the um operational audit been received um by the staff yeah good conversations um I think people are anxious to see what he comes back with typically an organization is not frequently audited gets nervous when something a lot of nervousness for the most part couple exceptions but for the most part I would say people are looking forward to it curious yeah I think like I said the people enjoyed their conversations with with Bill and um the IT guy anyways good conversations well I always kind of look at your life quarter by quarter based upon certainly in part at least what the articles are that you write in a paper because that's the hot buttons of your life and I'm looking here the last quarter three on zoning that's no surprise right a couple on the DPW on storm water I thought storm water got a little bit too much play wasn't that exciting an issue but uh and then Capital budgeting a couple and then operations was the other so it all kind of makes sense to me and you managed to keep all the balls in the air there there's always plenty of walls in the are it's always surprising but there are yeah this week's article will be on aggregation which I saw that just before I went out the door talk a little bit about that during my report later thank you again for that's that we are not talking about right the had requested can postpone that you would like to be here for that discussion um had some medical issues come up for your information the owners are it's good friends and F and then that comes up and go to the G John and get out of the room okay um The Parks and Recreation committee's naming policy so I think um I am here oh there you are okay I am here however my camera is not coming on so I guess you just get my voice tonight um so I'm not sure who saw the email but we um probably a year ago or a little over a year ago after the Pine Street field was finished we got probably four or five different people asking about having the Field named for somebody um not all the same person but different some buies anyways um and we were tasked by you guys to come up with a policy uh so I called around and talked to the committee and called around to some other towns and most of them it is a select board um situation but a lot of them do have a stop at parks and wreck first when it does involve an athletic field or any Recreation areas really so um I came up with the the committee and I came up with the policy that I ENT um as well as the kind of the application so in your packet was the proposed policy um basically it starts off with going to parer and then review proposals and then they would review and bet make a recommendation to you be up to you as a board to make that final decision thank you Greg yeah so it does still obviously leave the final okay in the hands of the select board um but it's almost like the park and wre committee would would vet it before it got there I have a couple of questions Cheryl this is Kathy um hi Kathy was there any discussion around uh not so much changing the name of a field but just kind of having a subtitle like you know the Pine Street field in honor of so and so um or is the intent that the actual name of the field has to change I guess that would be more kind of case by case that we do say that like maybe an amenity within a field like the coach field at the Brook Street playground or you know it could be like um I don't know like palazola field at Sweeney Park you know so yeah that is always a possibility the reason I I would ask the committee to think about it um and this doesn't really necessarily apply to the Pine Street field because it's just a practice field right um but I I clearly remember my days of being the mommy cab shuffling my kids to various sporting events in different towns and gosh darn it you would think it would be easier to find the fields and when they were named after streets oh my gosh it was so much easier you know and it sounds like something silly but when you are a busy parent or you know a grandparent who wants to visit their kids play you and the and the coaches don't tell you where the game is until the last minute not that that ever happens but it's it's nice when it's the a the the field is named after something geographical that you can at least Google and get into the right part of town so that's kind of my bias so that was the reason for my question the other thing is I've noticed since I moved here people seem to call it the Brook Street field even though it's coach field I don't know I hear a lot of people refer to it as Brook Street it was yeah so I know I agree but I also think that is a little unique in it's coach field field so people get a little confused but I do hear it referred to as either or I I personally have a bias towards Geographic references but an honorary thing you know I would certainly support um the other question I had was it the way the policy is drafted it looks like whoever got to submit an application first would you know the early bird gets the worm and I was wondering if we should have a clause that says you know if someone suggests it be named after a person that we you know solicit ideas from other people I would hate to have it be just we look at an application just because someone had an idea and five other people didn't and then the field gets named and and then people come out of the woodwor well if I had known you were going to name the field after somebody we we would have submitted an application you know so just I didn't see that as part of the process so I would ask you know that maybe we think about that um so th those are kind of my um two two pieces of feedback y thank you and there is um a six Monon waiting period which may take care of that but also may not so um thank you that we would announce someone has requested the field be named and if anybody else would like to submit an application please do so within this time frame that's a that's a good I feel like we could get into a whole bunch of TR we need yeah yeah ex I agree with that right now we don't have any policy right correct I I don't know how these other fields got named Sweeney and Highland I guess they were important people at one point in time but they just kind of got names put up there Joe is was a football he was a he was a coach or something coach field was too right Sweeney the DPW is that is that right I I did some looking up because I feel felt if these parks are named after somebody I ought to know who they were named after I was surprised that Sweeney uh was named after I believe a DPW director yet the news article I saw talked about this other gentleman who had done all this volunteer work to to get the the park in great shape and and I'm wondering why the park wasn't named after him so maybe and I don't know like way back before I know my time I back um well just yeah it may be that the guy who did all the work said name it after the DPW I um the only observation I really have uh Cheryl is that I think that that this is kind of focused on we're going to name these Parks after somebody but kind of to Kathy's point a little bit it could be named after some sort of historical event that happened there I mean what happened if oh it's the burnt up par somebody may have a sense of humor or you know if there was a park or somehow that got built on powderhouse Hill maybe it's powderhouse Hill Park you know what's the policy around naming it period right is that you're getting yes in other words I wouldn't just say we're addressing it because people want to name people that might be candidates it could be for any reason so there might be a line in there that says naming suggestions which could be anything and you know including people but it could be something else an event or a location I mean if there's a park in Western Woods maybe you want to call it the Western Woods Park I so I I think you should just address that so that people know they got a blank sheet of paper here they can suggest anything they want okay okay sounds good I hear two suggestions I think under immediate so make the fact that there's something that about that's maybe named publicly available yeah and make the naming more General yeah more Broad if possible give a h where it is that would fall into that category yes make it easy for people to find so so would Cheryl come back with uh some copy that's fine and we're not under a time crunches so they are not so we would make a motion at this point so let's let's schu once you get a second another draft another draft and then we'd probably be prepared but thank you for all of that work um I know how hard it is to come up with procedures and it's very thank you it is okay thank you I'll take it back to the drawing board and come back before you thank you not not from Ground Zero got a pretty good B no problem thank you okay um you might so discussion items discussion items I'm just want might pick up hiking let's pick up Cheryl could in the chief is here so yes yeah sure so um paring Jal Topic in the town for sure I think this past season um overall I think you know certainly from the Chief's position the chery's position and to CL position things worked pretty well um we had the new um parking sticks out on Beach Street that certainly helped with enforcement allowed the parking officers to to focus on other areas and that could be automatically handled on on beach um the parking at singing Beach um it was a it was a busy summer the weather was was good for many weekend there were nine nine days when that parking lot was that capacity um maybe a little higher than than typical maybe I think sh told me that s was perhaps a more typical number but certainly within the range of normal for busy for good weather summer obviously if it rains every weekend that it has a big impact on that parking um there were concerns as you know that by having the resident stickers distributed to to everybody and those being valid at singing de that that might be bringing more cars to the parking lot um we don't think we can say definitively that that was the case there's some people still have that concern um I guess the question would be when does it fill up earlier yeah did you hear that show I don't think that it necessar I mean you've often told people to come before 10 if you want to get a parking space and that seems the whole true still yeah actually of all the days that it filled um it never filled before before 11:00 a.m. so Mo most days when it did fill it was by 11:00 a.m. um but then some days a just afternoon time um so three of the days were afternoon time two of the days were by 1:00 and then one day that was 2:15 or after so like Greg said whenever people ask when does the parking lot fill we always say you know try to get there between 9:00 and 10: in the morning so there's that aspect um the the distribution of the the stickers has been through the um registration of cars so everyone is receiving a parking sticker that is has their car registered in town uh that has basically shifted the burden to park and wreck then to sell the tags uh so we haven't eliminated that sort of labor intensive piece um a a little bit people have are pre-ordering a little bit of the tags but we're still handling a lot the stickers are being done by the vendor um so we've taken that burden off of town clerk's office we've incurred some additional cost because of that by having the vendor Do It um other parking issues uh the uh voer Placer holders uh who aren't residents the the having having people have the option of using the the school high school parking lot or the parking across from the tennis courts at the elementary school that seemed to work out fine I don't think we had any issues with that um so that seemed to to work pretty well as as did allowing uh a maximum three night over parking at at tux for um for for moreing black holders uh again I don't think any issues arose with that say that one neighbor has been happier okay well that's good um so as I say overall I think staff feels like U we can continue with status quo for another season to continue to Monitor and unless you feel there are changes that you have heard are want to talk about I have one the adhesive on the stickers on the cars is immovable when it's cold out um which means that I put the sticker in the glove compartment if I remember and sometimes I lose it between January when I get it and late April when I can get the old M off since the stickers are good last year stickers are good for neighborhoods I think until mid early spring or spring maybe we could mail them out when they can be used rather than one of the stickers come out they're coming out the next week or two yeah February right I don't remember I know it's early isn't it based on when the we just put the order in for the new to have the new stickers printed so they're not going out yet when the um Assessor's Database for the cars gets well but we don't have to do it then we can I like an suggestion we can delay it as far as I know by may you can turn yeah but then I have to run the car and and then I gas myself in the garage oh I can come out with my problem since there was something too with the um with the beach passes with the website last year Cheryl I don't remember what it was I apologize but I remember it was the first time I had to order the be passes through parks and W instead of through the the town's online system and for whatever reason the website didn't work for me and I had to come in in person I can't remember why that was um so we did we did sell about um over 1,800 online um then we did probably have I wasn't a regular I didn't have an account yeah so I don't know I'll I'll try to this year but when I when I find out what it was it was just extraordinarily difficult for someone who didn't deal with parks and recre um regularly um maybe count I'll try and refresh my memory Cheryl and and get back to you on that um yeah the other thing was I was looking at so this is for the chief I was looking at the enforcement log is great detail log a lot of good detail here and I'm curious um it looks as though we don't enforce anything on School Street and I didn't see any maybe one on K Street so out of curiosity those are two major Au thorough fars through town and I'm just kind of trying to understand um regularly I don't think we're enforcing it unless we get a complaint or the officers Seas see something okay so we the parking enforcement people basically can the high traffic um so in order to get enforcement like you know Street the section of U hin Street was on the that was on the RO I'm actually interested it was we had a lot of people driving the wrong way and and actually you know how did you phrase it your wrongway parking um like they had to drive on the wrong side of the street yeah instead of doing a three yeah that happens all the time and I just so I'm curious as to what the enforcement is on and even School Street it's such a narrow Street um something to think about and then my other question was related to the the um decision we made at the last select board meeting around the crosswalk in front of Seaside one was my memory correct that you're supposed to be 20 feet away from the crosswalk or was I mistaken about that okay because I put a call in to the business line on Saturday someone moved it okay they moved by a good five or six feet in front of um the barber shop so I happen to be walking my dog I'm crossing the street I'm like okay that cone looks look like 20 ft but this one over here looks like not so I took out my little measuring thing on my app on my phone sure enough it was only 14 feet roughly so somebody moved it problem is it needs to be painted and it's just right so that that's what I'm leading to is that the temporary solution is not working I asked about painting the last time and is there a ition against painting during the winter or it's too cold right now that's the issue okay so when plan is to be pain okay so when does it get warm enough is there a plan to maybe think about getting rid of it or moving it oh yeah i' love we can't do it until we can paint over again it's it's an issue of the temperature I mean we you know if there's a warm SP there's a warm week in February so I think part of it is um you know the crosswalk itself you know but the painting of the lines not just the beginning of it but painting marked out parking spaces the spaces themselves yes because that was a recommendation at least a year and a half if not two years ago and it's been warm since the recommendation came to us so I'm just trying to understand if there's a barrier or something we didn't decide or what's what does it take to get lines painted in the street for the parking so maybe a communication issue I think DPW interpreted that as the discussion was only on Beach Street Beach Street really no not un Central I mean Central is a mess and and it's not getting any better with the I I think it was one of our do we really want to get into paint lines before we do this Cal project because that's all going to change I think that to that point I don't know how much cost the paint lines but right now you just because there's no cars on Central Street just pull up and stop and then all of a sudden what's going to happen is then something happens and it's a haphazard kind of thing so to that point I understand but I don't know how much it cost it yeah it's it's it's a can of paint up to I mean we're not using the fancy no just U you know go in the dark paint the uh thermop plastic paint it's it's this is just white paint that we hav put down I that'll be fine when I just want us to have an agreement or or say we're not going to do it but I my recollection is there was a recommendation I thought we all thought it was a good idea maybe I'm mistaken but I still think it's a good idea to paint parking spaces and even if it's something that's only for this summer I mean culbert the culbert that's not starting to the fall right so we get Summer is our busiest time and I it's not I mean if it's not a lot of money go pay a line I don't have problem I just don't want to I don't want to waste gon affect that in central I think I hear a fairly clear consensus paint the L painting the south on Central Street from um the Albert basically and the crosswalk to Corner School both sides both both sides and then I mean the the temporary solution we've tried to put in place for safety reasons it is in front of the police station so I don't know if if we can you know have the officers on duty just move it back when somebody moves it I I don't know who moved it measure it but yeah I think maybe we can put um I just thought it was pretty bold some could we put something a little more substantial like half a jersey barrier yeah have it's the plowing issue right yeah how the sticks make up this past sticks well you're going to put sticks down kind of in that downtown area anyway and then yeah parking not allowed I no there were suggestions I think it was on kind of on Central summer well some of it we're parking the spots I think you guys have already we did phase one sort of with B other areas I think discussion would be to expand it Fromm Street okay i' I've got a question on on the data here uh what's mte you got the list on the violation codes 1 2 3 4 5 six up to 20 and then mte $9,400 and I'm not sure what that means is that I saw that too it was on the violation law violation list there's a list of what the codes mean code number one uh code number two is O code number one is overtime parking code number two is not parking within marked space and then there's a line it says mte 188 of them all right I I put that note down here so I thought that probably was the situation so that's a fair number when you look at the 9400 is that net to us or well it's not pardon me us okay so in other words the F what they get 50% so other words the fine was like 18,000 and we're getting 9400 okay turn great that was that's the not okay so that number then is folded into the Beach Street number which is the biggest number by street it's 232 there the next largest one is half that so that's the sticks that's the sticks is is driving uh that number okay good okay so our our parking re the revenue that we're getting there and I think the budget for this coming year is what 35,000 rejected yeah for the officers oh no I'm talking about Revenue Reven tickets oh oh Reven it has been as high as I don't know two years ago was like 50 yeah but that's but it's been sliding down sliding down because with not going later was that right okay normally We Run The Sticks were running then but people were not um I just have one more thing on paring um we had discussed at a prior meeting um how some of the businesses along Central were feeling about the parking enforcement there was an issue something with the barber shop or that section I don't recall it was uh Kevin py from the barber shop was concerned about the one day Year events one day Year events okay so I think we talk which point we talked about possibly sign since no event parked in front of for that one day okay the temporary sign they could put up for boerd and uh for the barop just it's it would be a temporary sign it goes up and it comes down okay on a call since you brought that up I asked the hair salon across the street I go and they have a different issue wasn't the one day events that they have a problem all the weekends during the summer um because the parking limit is two hours and there are some services that they provide that are longer than two hours so um I was wondering if I don't know if it's um Christine or someone reach out to the salon to see if a placard you know a three-hour placard you get voting placards to to people is there a way to give that business a three-hour Placer or do you have any other ideas that would um permit them to allow a customer who has a valid need to par three hours to do that I don't know bar it's a different service than a barber shop and as the women we're shaking our heads there some things you do that takes you're in there for longer than two hours okay and I understand the gentleman may not have encountered that but we're all shaking our heads here okay I've got a carot and a collar I'm sorry you're in there for a good three and a half okay so and so 10 minutes it is sometimes a man when it comes to Hair Care that can be the case so I just would ask um I think that's the only other business that I can think of that may have encountered um that situation there was a period of time when the dry clean was there right so we the president has been said to try to adjust yeah I mean I just if you're gonna do something for the barber shop across the street you ought at least talk to the hair salon which has um a concern they didn't mention any they didn't say they had any concern about the one day events it was the IR regular customers who have to come in for more than two hours when we're enforcing um two hours it's it's a problem I just have a question I'm doing the math here on this Mt 188 tickets $9,400 it's about 50 bucks isn't a parking ticket 50 bucks we're not getting 9400 we're getting half that because 94 this comes out to about 50 if you divide 9,400 by 188 so I think yeah so the the total is 36,800 for all of the tickets but you have to would have to back out 40 well half a 9400 so well the upside though is but the intent was to turn those spot yes understood so actually reality here is if the Le the least the less money we collect the better the system is working that's that's the intent we there we don't know what it is not supposed to be a it's only one yeah okay yeah the data good the data are interesting so if we do decide to expand some that are yes bu of pain we keep the sticks offal [Laughter] also we did hear a complaint from the library from someone who was using the library that the time yeah the little if there's an event at the library it can go over to Oh okay that's right I'm Church Street so again could there be some sort of a placard it get hand it out and gets returned so that's tough most of those people have little kids yeah I got to leave my kid here I got to put the but on my car this is or their Boulder and walking in and out and back and but um there's always going to be something I remember uh the veterans coffees on two on Saturday mornings they were parked uh for uh too long you know and all so um I mean there's always got be something and we just have to try to adjust or is there a way they can contact you guys and just say hey we're having an event leg does yeah there's a wedding at the church the church contact yeah so I mean there communication three hours well yeah I mean then you open the door to other business that's what I'm saying the the hair salon they're not looking yeah I mean they weren't looking for a special space just for them because anybody could park there it's just that there are legitimate reasons you know again legitimate reasons for the services they offer to be longer than two hours so that's why I didn't know if the business could hold a blackard and give it to the customer but I don't someone might have a better idea and they return it to the business when they're you know before they were even there's one side three hour and one side two hour I don't know yeah why don't we put I don't know behind Town Hall an area behind Town Hall it's well you have three hour at masan right do you have three hour at Mas so take instead of 2hour park behind Town Hall do three-hour park behind town hall and they can hope that the uh they get a spot for a there's a spot and B they uh get it right when she leaves so he leaves and they can pick up the extra 20 minutes to dry the here too it's tough I mean the people that are here parking anywh all kinds of other can't you say in front of saying it's not I wasn't right in front of the it's very hard very hard now it will be Revisited track with hoopers XEL used to be the yeah think I understand that they you want something that you can plow through you can take up the take up the Dr depend it out I think that's the only only let him comment but the last I talked about reming that just wait cross back yes that that's the longterm ideal I this be the second temporary I me the first temporary solution isn't working so now we got the little I mean you get like you get rid of it now you're at least giving these guys parket for the summer you know what I mean give them a little extra parking for the summer to help them out and then yeah whatever to that I don't disagree I think that's I think that's the most reasonable Common Sense approach to this so get rid of the as soon as convenience as soon as the weather permits get rid of that CR and paint and and paint in spaces spaces I SP you made a really good argument that people even people who are trying to be efficient well I mean I just pull in just now I'm I pull up this I got to pull over here because I don't want to screw up because I'm going to leave all those kind behind they screw up the par so I I really feel strong aware of how I can I appreciate your sensitivity to that d a only taking two SP spots pay Rec siiz tax for two last time was questions about P together stand oh so the spaces are really big yeah 20 yeah you go to 18 everybody's driving a suburb on this time perhaps the downtime Improvement people I think I think we want a solution in the short term that and the down Improv people can argue about how best to do it after the C yeah I don't recall them having an objection of painting LS okay I just don't okay checking them okay all right thank you very that thank you Cheryl Jo are we done all set thank you yeah s did we wake you um we haven't talked about the screening committee allting members there of Meo outlined I questions based on feedback we have given that's what I interpreted is that correct um I like the questions I still think I'd like to see the just give us answers to as many of those questions as they want in writing four days before if they do that I less worried about then we will have answers that were fresh from each one and and we can we can go into the questions even if even though we have everybody there together and that gives them time to think they're not on the spot you know well they better be thinking they should be think I I mean I I look at the questions you don't necessarily have to put three and four in advance because they're very individual they're personal questions they aren't policy questions and what one person's response is in number three is not going to be the same as another because influence they've got a different life right but that's that's so I specifically want wanted number three to be one of the criteria we looked at though because in advance it doesn't have to be in advance but just one of the criteria that we looked at because hiring leaders is different than hiring individual contributors and some people may never have hired anybody and and we should understand that I think yes I think if you get them all done ahead of time it's going to make things go a lot faster I agree yeah then you can just look for expanding it I'm just wondering you throw all of these at them I don't want to read 3,000 words per person maybe I have some sort of a limit on the on the response because what have we got 10 people you're saying what like four days you said I said 4 days yeah because yeah us we can throw it all at them all at them because you know what the way they answer the questions also tells you something about the individual yes right more stuff you got right and so I think it um tells us whether or not they can be brief and and that's that's and clear right so um it's not just the answer it's how they write it that fine fire them all out but I would like to have some sort of a cap on total words or something I don't disagree would be nice but you know you don't have to read them [Laughter] all or maybe just be qualitative try and be concise notes to be concise that's the way to go what is this this thing is next s they've got to send it to us by Monday by Monday what's today Tuesday that's not talk Thursday for the and the letters of interest for that you received um how lengthy were they they VAR they varied some some our phone letters some our an email that says they were interested yeah so maybe you could send the questions to the individuals and say if you did not cover if you already covered you know some of these questions in your letter of intent you know just reference that but um we are looking for the rest of these to be added that way they don't have to rewrite what they already wrote in in their orinal you know but I I I don't think everybody would have necessarily answered all these questions they're good questions and and a couple of these questions are you know half a dozen words you around on Tuesdays exactly yes or no number six is a yes or no question correct number seven on the other hand could be about a textbook yes so any other questions you're Happ wouldn't add any no guess the question would be is there any of these that you would remove from the um initial the request to get something in writing ahead of time and just ask them in person or are you comfortable just sending them all out I would suggest leaving off 708 we can just ask him yeah number five um is really not a question it's more of a statement statement that we will make to them so maybe we could eliminate that I would agree what do you think they're gonna say right exactly no I'm not com okay going on on Facebook about seven and eight we could we could put in the note that we plan on having a discussion with you about these you don't need to maybe we say you don't need to answer them in advance in writing but be prepared to discuss them with us yeah think basically here's what we understand that there's a there's a difference and that's what we're looking for you do identify yeah when you come in and talk to us here we'd like to hear your thoughts on these things and but they don't have to send us five paragraphs beforehand yeah yeah do it that way so we send them ask them for one through four six and take elim five eliminating five elim five but I would I would leave six because if for some reason the person is not available then SCT out they may not know that until they get right so I think it's worth sending six okay so and then just let them just make mention of seven and eight that we'd like to have a discussion with them about this one is this all going to be so to get to this discussion which is a week from Thursday one shot 10 people I or two shots five people how much time do you think each can as the question let me ask a question do they have do these interviews they have to be public meetings you said so why don't we take the five pass um select board Members First and then so we don't have 10 people sitting right so it tends a lot tends a lot so two groups in five um and should we consider the um past select board members whom we don't select to be candidates for the um citizen positions scratch my question they are citizens they are I don't think it best be unless they moved out of town uh so you could end up with four or five you can end up with four former select board former select board members aw kind of SM he's kind of not happy yeah that's a little different than what year yeah yeah I think it's different than what we advertise um I always think it's good to have sort of a citizen that line yeah not hasn't been involved involved I don't know all all these people involved they're not necessarily looking but they're involved well so if someone is is a recruiter and has or has a lot of experience in hiring leadership positions that yeah I don't care if they've been on a select board or you know been at a Town Council before or whatever leadership hiring is different um but I will say this I like the idea of having people who have worked closely with a town manager Town manager administrator who I'm familiar with some of the aspects that the general public isn't aware of I've learned an awful lot in two years yeah but I mean if you get four people you've covered that base you you need some kind of input from someone not sitting here or who hasn't sat here should this is also a concentration of power issue we should be careful of I mean it's valuable to get a just a like a different perspective um so okay so two separate groups five and five select choose two from each group right the select board five and the at large five is the door close on that or is it possible that number changes close on the yeah okay yeah that's close did you reach out to down I have not I won't so that would give us a Time bre two no but there also the finance committee okay yes planning board schools those three do we have repr all those other boards okay the chairs of each of those boards the chairs of well how does that work for the schools to oh happens to be a Manchester person okay is it always said is that rotate it rot okay what to do okay um this this is um this is the Water band is there a motion I move that this board resend the ban on outdoor water consumption effective immediately second further discussion Jeff yes Brian yes Kathy yes answers yes yes go ahead why do you you here for the consent I'm here for the street yeah do we want to go to the consent agenda sure sure we thought you were just here CU you just listen getting educated okay um right the consent agenda um is there anything that anyone would like to take out of that agenda or can we vote on it as a whole good to me move the select board approve the consent of gends second discussion Jeff yes Brian yes Kathy yes and says yes John yes excellent sorry to I was trying to figure out which topic it was than just on the consent Agenda One of the items was the acceptance of Beth he's resignation from the Housing Authority um effective the day before the election so that means that it is an opening that people can collect get the nomination papers for and and can anticipate running for that position okay so this is a position on the housing authority and that has not been advertised at this point because there have been so this will be an addition to the list of vacancies we have we published the list of vacancies on committees recently I think we still have an opening on the downtown Improvement committee and I don't think anyone's applied and okay I've been approached by someone get inv she's very uh very qualified for a lot of things so no just I just happened Sunday right you look I just mentioning it might be good to put another put another thing the cricket about the Committees and yeah yeah it's been a while I mean is there any I mean so uh bom's full everyone else is full right it's moderator he just appointed just garor oh really oh the finance gu been on that before no no okay interesting interesting okay go okay oh yes I guess yeah Leon yes uh first on the list here is the library probably saw the letter to the editor from Cynthia they did not get the uh grant that they were looking for um speak with uh briefly there was seven seven firm seven towns that were in our particular category we came in six which was not not last it's not last but it was six there were there were four criteria there one was what's your uh per capita income median per capita income we didn't do well on that okay uh we do well for Grant purposes we don't do well on the rating the rating was one to 20 we got a one and you want to get as many points as you can um the second one is what percentage of your town budget goes to the library we spent a half a million bucks on a $40 million um budget but that did not impress them either we didn't do much better than one with that and the other one I think the other ones were like how much square feet do you need and also the plausibility of where your expansion was but by that time we were well back in the pack on the race so last not last I must have gained some ground on some of this so the trustees are going to have to kind of go back to the drawing board and decide what they're what they're going to do but that's where the library stands they were disappointed um DPW uh they're on looking for wayf finding signs they put in an order for them and the bill came back 12,000 bucks for like seven signs their budget for all of their signs in town for the year is $10,000 so they're gone to look for another vendor see what they can do so they're they're they're working uh working on that um and other than that the seniors I guess where's the where the there's an RFQ or RF yeah an RFQ out RFQ out for the AR architect yes the architect they're due tomorrow actually was that due tomorrow I think tomorrow is yeah tomorrow all right that's enough great does John know about it so um John so on the finance committee I missed last week's meeting they were supposed to discuss uh police and harbor and the revenue ES ating program that you know it's been a lot of talk are we how do we estimate our Revenue each year during the budget season so Sarah was Pro promoting having some sort of a formula did that get decided or um last week no they they threw out a couple of formulas okay proposals and then they Pi it up again all right well U this week's meeting is on a Thursday night because Sarah must have a conflict with ZB she has a zba meeting tomorrow okay so and the subject is going to be the DPW budget next week is the school committee 25 is the fire and 212 is town government and Library they may swap school and oh they just with fire no and general government General government okay so school's going to be at 219 about that not for sure yeah but we're waiting to confirm but tomorrow night is still uh Thursday night is still D and then it was supposed to be February 27th the review of capital again so at what point do we my question on the based on the on assignment here is at what point do we want to talk with benom again about where we're at with the budget because we talked about having more conversations with residents and have a good clear idea to what we have planned yeah it's a good question so should I plan to be at Thursday's meeting in person I can do that um maybe I'll just bring it up then well so I think I think you should as a board yeah think about that two minutes right now I would say historically it has the board hasn't been that but could be more engaged sorry what's the drop dead date for submitting the budget or the um warrant so that needs to be finalized by that last week of March the question is do we want to meet with finance committee or have some type of review you know before like mid March or early March because it's I think the last planned item that I recall was February 27th meeting on Capital I didn't hear about any specific agenda items in in March right but maybe that that meeting yeah would be a good one a good joint meeting and then you know you finish up capital and then okay where are we globally is capital the last one or is there anything after that okay all right so they've gone through all the operation stuff all right that's good you're suggesting a joint meeting after that one or I'm thinking at that one or at that one so that would be a Thursday night yes are we open today wa when are we to meet with fincom again on the budget no I mean was statewise that's a Thursday night February 27th GRE is proposing have to see if bcom is agreeable to that yeah let tell them to we're having a meeting on March 3 I suspect right that's the first Monday of March so we could we could do it then we can do it then I don't like that it's a tough day that whole week that's right first week of February first week of March but I do like February 27 okay so let's make sure we have an action to close out on when is our next joint meeting with the B we proposing February 27th but we'll have to pick an alternate if that doesn't okay sorry that was a long Theon report that's all I okay uh planning board talked about uh well we already talked about a little bit the edus by right what kind of language they're going to use far as bringing stuff to town meeting um they also talked about nuk's use downtown um retail and residential um but it looks like they're just trying to figure out what they're going to actually work on to bring this meeting at this point that you think that's the results you and I have talked yeah that's the Adu discussion retail on the first Flor the retail on that resal I think that came out of the 3A discussions hear that in a lot of the workshop yeah retail on first floor you couldn't count the residential stuff above something like that that was a problem you couldn't require you could in 3A they wouldn't allow you to require retail oh I know there was some and and there's also if you did allow if somebody came in with a mixed proposal it didn't count yeah I recall something it was it was right um in the HB advisory most of the discussion was um about changing around mors after the dredging putting all the sailboats together in one area and moving some of the power boats out to make more room it it looks like a good plan but some people are going to be upset with getting moved around I'm sure um and uh Bion made a mention about possibly grants for uh floating H Master office and I mentioned that the community center might be back we talk about this last time right and I said that but he said he didn't feel like that was going to work out I think so I don't know if we're everybody on the same plan yeah it's a discussion for another time I think think of the problem with floating Mass's office is we shut off power and everything so that' be seasonable yeah right so well he was saying year round though that's what he mentioned a house boat for the harbor let's let's not just count anything at this point I don't so I'm just I'm just throwing that out there that it was disgusting seen something at the boat show but I've always assumed it was seasonal well we kind of talked about the ramp and the ice and so if that discussion was had it must be a year round situation he's thinking it's a different building yeah insulation now we know was going to keep the the safety boat out all season I didn't see it but it would responded to something last week it's that it was that cck that that's of the because of the ice yeah with this cold spell yeah to use last week right any I'll Follow by yeah yeah I mean I I didn't want to get into auss and I've said this before the h m off should be in the anyway yeah all right um yeah the uh new L Len Cottage at Essex Tech was a success and yeah nice picture yeah it's incredible all the work that went in students and everything so I gr by that thing for three years I mean yeah it was it was really nice to see so it's good I'm missing school committee meeting as we speak done by now um that's um they hope to lower the increase in the health insurance by switching senders sometimes that work where they at what where are they at um I think the last they had was a 23% 23 24% increase um down from 27 they have they considered an HSA they can't do anything can't do anything the Union contract specifies everything about the health no understand but as part of the next negotiation would they consider HSA I would guess that the union forgot I don't understand you certainly can propose it but it's not going to dig them outs um things that they they if next year's budget is in the same range that this year's budgets and they bail themselves out with reserves they will be out of Reserves at the next year um and there is kind of a circular argument that well we can't ask for an override now because that will poison Essex for school vote um and um because people will see it on their tax bills when they're being asked to pay to do a debt exclusion for the school um and and so you can't do it now on the otherand you can't do it later either because people will look at their tax bills with the school uh building debt exclusion on it and they're not going to pass it over operating with the right and um so it's just a matter the shit's got to hit the band it's just a matter be an awful one sh if they don't get up now but um and and then this question if if they have to if go have an override L this mean mostly better better a misunderstanding um um but the school committee should not force Essex to have home cannot force Essex to have an override but they have to present a budget and if they know that the budget is not going to fit in what Essex has left for because Essex is is no longer long has lost the word for the name excess capacity um and we they suggested getting the two finance committee two Finance committees together so that the Manchester F so that each finance committee understands and that has happened with just the two Finance committees the suggestion is to have that happen with representatives of the school committee so that the three all three are represent but I don't know if there's progress getting did they ever hire I thought they were going to hire some sort of a consultant that was going to look at Regional Arrangements some out of the and out a mass Association or something like that they have they are about to undergo a review by the department of Elementary and secondary education um which is a state agency obviously interested in education um and they're looking at um operations um and and administration they reviewed various other aspects but they put themselves in this school district put it s in ahead of the list to to get that but that affect this year's budget or that's a the term the scary thing is that they had a review recently of the um their U special education program and it came back saying that they needed more another level of administration in the oh so if the review comes back that way yeah wonder wonder what else is come back yeah so um doesn't sound like a financial very frustrating doesn't sound like a financial riew they not given a admission I'm gonna give a blank check review and what do you done differently I don't know well it's really focused on educational quality yeah in other words a blank check yeah that was not not what we as for yeah no I understand that's that's what bie yeah oh is that who Bessie yes ESI or CC I mean they do hire they bring in a it's it's an consult but it's through it's through the State Department of Education let me tell you how you can spend your money yeah or somebody else's money yes that's a better way of saying it that's frustrating there um it's between the teachers and the teachers AIDS salaries are up about 8% which makes it really hard to come in given that that's last when when was your last teachers contract two years ago two years so they got one more year one more year they just did the T um and the T had not been unionized very previously and they what I say they work hard they're important it's keeping our keeping the um special education budget under control by having people in the classroom work with kids with needs but there a lot more expensive the uh the issues in Glaser and B surrounding t for the most part yeah in Andover and everywhere else yes so we your next teachers contracts that guarantee is not going to be cheap so guess well all the more reason we have to really advocate for being careful with the building solution right and I'm going to continue to advocate for a small kindergarten second grade school they are the school building yeah shipped more shipped more the grades over yes yes I M has been referred to as the third rail okay I understand um do they want go right now do they want to put our tax dollars towards human beings or brick and mortar that to me brick and mortar goes over really well in aex yeah apparently and and and that's because we're paying two-thirds of that well no I mean they they they they put a ton of money into their Town Hall I know that it's gorgeous well Public public saf public saf that's why they don't have any money no they don't have any money because they don't have any tax Bas but oh well yeah so I don't know how that's going to work but the other thing is that I believe essic is currently in the negotiation with two maybe there are only two unions oh right next is it safety orce DP and those unions have the same complaint that everybody does that that they didn't get raises when inflation was high and they're way behind they're making less effectively now than they were three years ago and U so on the other hand if Essex has to do an over an operational override for their government that might open up the possibility of doing an a single override for the school and and the town which would be an easier pass just that's Co I guess My worry is that you're going to get into a vote for a new school over there and then you're going to have a teachers contract on top of it basically around the same time that's going to inflate things even further the school I think this the school the vote for the school building is I think two years out at this um it could be as soon as next just depends how quickly things move along about 15 months right well certainly if they choose to do a different organization of the schools which requires um an amendment to the and that yeah to the district to the district it's just yeah I mean even if it's a year later things are going to be up against the wall there we're G have this discussion every year this is uh three three years running now all think it's three years running you're getting closer to you're getting closer to a joint to meeting yeah it's going to be an annual uh discussion it's not going to go away but it knows it's gonna get way out of joint all right well I don't think we're GNA solve anything I appreciate the update I think yeah thanks yeah yeah yeah well everything else has been going great we got all we've got an agreement to have l p yeah that's good or something okay I'll be brief okay uh just we had on the action with DPW facility discussion this evening but I think makes more sense to get a little more information on the goch St and some recommendations from the engineers about that s to have a more intelligent discussion so um with any luck that'll be at the next meeting we'll have that umn your meeting um de and I will work with an we just need you to fill out a form online okay sure um and and you when is it this Saturday this okay yeah okay I'll come I'll come in tomorrow um is there anybody else who would really like to go to the MMA meeting I'm just Friday I was gonna go Friday and Saturday but I that Greg be your delegate okay F bring back good report okay who's going here chuck chuck went there last year I think Chuck will go Thursday it'll go Thursday yeah okay good y all right anybody else from town or I don't think so okay good um aggregation plans the electrical aggregation um there's a graft plan it's really a boilerplate I'll say from basically adhering to all the state regulations um the the real meat of the matter then comes in after the plan gets approved by the state once the plan gets approved it lays out the basic process you hire a vendor the vendor manages it uh it it's a requirement to be opt out that's a state law um everyone's in ex unless they opt out it's an active opt out um uh some other Provisions in there about terminating Etc but it's all based on the regulations that we have to follow so once that plan is approved then the vendor will start we will meet with you talk about the different products that could be offered so there's typically a basic product which mirrors the portfolio mix that the state requires and then you can do you know a half step up to more green or 100% green as options so typically towns offer three options the basic the middle of the road and 100% green so then once you make that decision the vendor will go out and solicit bids on those three different products you come back and present to you the results of that bidding process and recommend a select ction of the supplier once that happens then we know all the numbers everyone gets a mailing and they're given a month to either opt in or I'm sorry opt out otherwise they're in so that's the basic process um that should we should be things so smoothly and the Market's right um we should be offering this within six months that that's the update on that um your open meeting law complaint that you responded to those the responses were accepted by the complainant and so that's uh the case is closed move on from that um annual report terms of production how many so um last year we did not distribute it to every household we printed about 1,200 copies we had a lot of extra copies left over even trying to give away at the at the special town meeting we still have lots of copies and no complaints and no complaints all right message I'd like to see if we could um i' suggest we print 600 rather than four or 500 um just on the off chance we have another big town meeting um well this is the annual report not the fincom right right so the finy will still produce the 2500 and mail white white book yes many towns have moved towards digital most have most have right yeah it will be available on line yes sure let's do 450 and then next year we'll drop it again yeah we cut it in half again so I'm okay okay um longevity benches that just have to find a couple of new spots pulling back from some permission that was uh tentatively given least will be back in for for those new locations U and then just something I don't have on my list here but we did receive a complaint about uh National Grid doing some work causing the electricity to be out to a neighborhood for the day um hes cool down pretty quickly I mean they don't do it if it's below 20 degrees but even at 25 degrees things things cool down I'm actually meeting with National Grid tomorrow for something else but I think I would be happy to mention that to please don't excuse me not to do that to avoid that that Glasser was supposed to have one like on the 20 I think it was actually today and I got a notice can we set a standard that doesn't allow I mean they say you know low 20 but EP Town says you can't do any you know uh 40 yeah 32 yeah that becomes a town fire you know I don't have to find out I don't know if we have that Authority ask should be above freeze talk about com CH turn off my cable there's pain there's pain first world promise pal yeah actually never happens when I'm home anyway here so that's what I have good in that case um we should enter into executive session for mgl mgl chapter 30A section 21 A6 to consider purchase exchange lease or or value of real estate chair that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the public body and not to return to open session you will return to open session will return to most likely okay very briefly um and I do declare that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the negotiating position of the public body second yes yesy and yes thank you very much de you're welcome y I can tell and then go back on or no we'll be an open session but we don't have to we're not required to be oh that's true anyone who wants to know the what the result was they can find out tomorrow okay won't be any public comments at all yes so we never found out what the problem was just you