e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e today is April 18th uh 2024 uh we do not have the meeting minutes from last time so we're going to skip over that um we'll move on to the agenda item and read that first and then ask for exp part A yes announce the agenda and agenda item we have on here for new business is the ranch PUD zoning and master site plan uh number s239 d04 is quas judal and um is anybody had any x parp with the I have not had any xar Communications other than I did get a few emails from members of the community that were concerned about this and I forwarded I forward them on to the uh okay all right gotcha it is yes um Nikki I don't think your microphone is on honestly do I need do here sis better that looks reallyy pretty by the way this is this is a good look I'm sorry we I just all right are you on to me yes I'm on to you okay I spoke not that way you're next I understand I spoke to staff and a few members of the public and I actually uh visited Tyson at his office to look at the plans and what they were doing for going forward but that was prior to the last meeting that's okay any any expar Communications on this project at all no no okay need an answer that's why I'm looking at you all right um we do not have any interveners at this time um so anybody who is stepping forward as a witness can you please stand so you can be sworn in raise your right hand do you swear or affirm that the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do I do thank you okay uh at this time I'd like to introduce not Peter but Paul Schilling to make the staff presentation thank you madam chairman good evening members of the local planning agency Paul Schilling growth management director for the record so this is an application for a PUD zoning agreement it is a master site plan and phasing plan for the ranch project formerly known as kaloa Creek Ranch the application is requested by Urban Design Studios and Tyson waters on behalf of jwa ranch LLC the project is to be consistent with the rural lifestyle land use and Associated comp plan text amendments which are scheduled for the BCC Board of County Commissioners at an April 30th hearing so location map of the property you will note the scale of the property it is approximately 3,900 Acres 6 square miles it encompasses both sides of caner Highway and relative to caner Highway and South of Bridge Road Road approximately 3 and a/4 miles west of The Interchange the site is adjacent to the Three Lakes project to the North and the I'm sorry and South uh let's see I'm sorry I got sidetracked here property is undeveloped has been used for cattle grazing and Landscape Nursery production over the years the site does in fact have Wetland habit that is going to be encompassed in a native Upland habitat with uh an accompanying preserve area management plan which will be done as part of the final site plans this is just an aerial image of the property so page one of this is a a 10-page master plan as you can imagine just based on the scale the data on the site plan shows approximately 392 Acres it's proposed to be developed with approximately 92% open space with a density of approximately 04 units per acre which equates to 175 units residential units on approximately six square miles as I mentioned this is uh just a another version of the plan more um comprehensive as fact um the data on the site plan also encompasses two golf courses uh proposed along with the amenity centers Clubhouse driving range teaching facility for uh the golf professionals maintenance facilities and supporting infrastructure approximately 12200 Acres of this property are going to be kept as agricultural use for cattle grazing oh then we have to disclose it the entire plan is based on uh the 3900 Acres so the site is proposed to be developed in three phases phase one will be the majority of the golf course infrastructure the uh phase two would have the residential development and phase three would be the docking facility to the to the north along the c22 the okobi Waterway and recreational amenities and so forth and so on so The Preserve areas as I mentioned will be implemented at the final site plan stage all of the Upland habitat and preserve areas will be on the are on master plan a tree clearing and mitigation program will be instituted as outlined in the Pud agreement so public benefits as you can imagine with the project of this scale and Associated uh facilities these are the public benefits and you have been provided I believe at some point with a copy of the plan unit development zoning agreement so redesign and reconstruct South Fork High School short course the applicant will get into much more detail with this I'm hopeful this evening but the uh provide educational and mentoring opportunities at the for the Ranch at the turf grass management so an um $50,000 contribution to the banner Lake restoration and cleanup with restoring uh restoring natural flow of the groundwater and then U of utmost importance as well as and and we don't we do not see public benefits proposed on this scale generally uh provide 20 acres of land for the University of Florida Institute and food of agricultural sciences and to contribute up to $50,000 toward the engineering planning costs with a co-op Co-op extension so that that is a a a very very unique public benefit certainly so the development review staff have found the application in compliance with all the regulations uh with the comprehensive growth management plan as detailed on the staff report which you have been provided as part of this agenda item so the staff recommends approval of the Pud zoning agreement I can answer any questions you may have and that concludes my presentation momentarily yeah I have a couple questions um has the uh the zoning received State approval yet the text Amendment and the future land use map are scheduled for the board of County Commissioners on April 30th as I indicated the subject of tonight's hearing is this plan unit development zoning agreement so the step would be that the application is heard by the local planning agency with a recommendation and then the Pud Z agreement as discussed tonight will accompany the text and future land use uh adoption hearings which are scheduled for April 30 has the south Florida Water Management District given its approval yet that is my understanding yes sir they have yes sir when did that happen I can't say for certain the applicant could probably tell you um okay was the marina ever approved the marina as part of this final uh Master site plan that's the subject of tonight's hearing and ultimately there will be future phase site final site plans which will have all the construction documentation and civil plans associated with those improvements when might we be able to review the pamp that's supposed to go along with this PUD agreement pamps usually travel with the final site plans and aren aren't normally attached to PUD agreements some times they are um but usually it's in the final site plan stage Alise Elder Deputy County attorney for the record um so uh it's I read that they're going to contribute $50,000 to Banner lake is that part of what Pine School is doing over there to to fix what's going on to make Banner Lake a real Lake again that's part of that overall effort yes sir that's my understanding and two uh the tunnel that is going underneath caner highway is is being paid for privately correct not through any government money or grants that's correct it's privately funded okay thank you Rick sir how many how many units could just hold without this PUD agreement if they did it by right I believe it was about two or three more so um he means housing units yes so I if you got 4,000 by 20 right more well there's 175 proposed so yeah and it be Car 25 25 more that's correct that's a that's a good point as part of this PUD master plan there are lot sizes which are not 20 acres of course that is the the purpose of this PUD which is to Cluster those lots if you will into pods and with smaller lot sizes which enables the um preserve areas to be captured holistically and not be on individual Lots as we have in some of the subdivisions in Martin County so if we put a 20 acre ranch head out there they could graze the whole thing or they could mow the whole thing or they could do whatever they wanted to do with it pretty much one at a time there are subdivisions in Martin County which are 20 acres which have individual pamps that are the responsibility of the individual Property Owners which are um as you can imagine difficult to not only maintain but also conduct enforcement activities 20 acres is AEG yes sir so it's different than a 5 acre lot both would have a preserve area management plan for wetland and Upland habitat if that's if I understand your question correct there's several hundred acres of preserve area here okay um n before you start I wanted to say that I did meet with applicant I apologize to disclose your expar my expart um applicant me or you I thought I got in trouble for them M you want tasing water for the applicant do I introduce him he'll introduce himself I mean I know but yeah just good evening Tyson Waters from the law firm of fox mesy here on behalf of the applicant um first we want to thank staff for its presentation and all its efforts during this process sorry thank you so as staff mentioned um this project or this site was in front of you a few months ago as part of a text Amendment and future land use Amendment and now finally we're in front of you with the plan unit development agreement and master site plan so we're very excited to be here tonight and to present this vision and this project for you again a little bit of History um about 20 years ago for the past 20 years the Barney family has owned this property with the mind of environmental preservation and con conservation as part of its cattle operation um in 2010 the Barney family together with Martin County in the south Florida Water Management District um amended the land use for the site to change it from agricultural to Agricultural ranchette and also did a text amendment to allow up to 600 homes on approximately 1,400 Acres with the balance being in conservation um due to a variety of reasons ultimately that development plan did not work out so the Barney came back to the board and asked for it to be the land used to be changed back to Agricultural and to have the text amendment repealed and since then again they continued to conserve conserve and operate on the land um within the past few years the barings family decided to move on so they started looking for a subsequent owner of the property with the uh mindset of making sure that owner had the similar mentality of a priority of conservation and preservation of the land as part of whatever project was to um proceed on this site and with that um they ended up they found the Basque family Ken and Suzanne Basque who had that similar mindset of conservation and preservation and Mr Basque has demonstrated that mentality and that goal and objective with his golf club a friar Head Golf Club in Riverhead Riverhead New York um and as we move forward with this PUD and this this site plan that goal and that focus is evident as we preserve an open space more than 90% of the site over 1,00 acres are going to remain in agricultural use and over 660 Acres of wetlands will be preserved and so what we're here for for you for approval tonight or recommendation of approval is that plan unit development agreement and the master site plan just a little bit of history of what we've gone through we first approached staff in the fall of 2022 to discuss this project and over the past year and a half have continued to work both internally and with staff to develop a plan that we think is going to be a Hallmark of Martin County as staff mentioned the zoning currently is A2 and I think it's very important to appreciate what we can do today in the agricultural land use and the A2 zoning you see we've got residential opportunities single family home Mobile Homes modular homes there's institutional uses that are allowed there's commercial uses that are allowed including golf courses as well as industrial uses that can be done today under the current zoning as it relates more to what's in front of you today and our proposed use under the current zoning designation the density of one unit per 20 acres that's a gross density of 195 units as Mr Harman pointed out the minimum lot size is 20 acres so those 195 units would be spread out over 3900 Acres golf courses they're allowed as well as the ancillary uses Clubhouse maintenance facility those similar amenities as well as golf courses and and of note I mean excuse me golf cottages and of note under the A2 zoning District there's no limitation on the number ofl golf courses or the SI I mean golf Cottages or the size of those golf Cottages um as was pointed out earlier there's no requirement to consolidate the Wetland up Wetland and Upland preserves and buffer areas so those up those wetlands and Uplands can be part of and within an individual lot so you start carving them up whether they're in a pamp together or not they become an individual lot owners's backyard the other requirement is that we're on well and septic so potentially you could have 195 septic systems spread out over 3900 Acres as previously mentioned we have 650 Acres of wetlands we adjacent to the St Lucy Canal I think we can all agree 195 septic systems would not be a good thing and we can all do all this by by right straight zoning so what we're asking for is to proceed under a plan unit development agreement and with that our proposal remain gross density of one unit per 20 acres and actually at 175 units our gross density is 1 unit per 22 Acres um again 175 units and what this allows us to do is minimize the residential footprint the residential impact on these 3900 Acres so instead of developing 195 or even 175 residential units over 3900 Acres we're we're able to do that over 200 Acres golf courses just like we're allowed under the current A2 zoning District we've got golf courses proposed here the only difference and Nuance is under our proposal we are limited in the number of golf cottages and the size of those golf Cottages we maintain a very large agricultural presence again over 12200 Acres of a of continued agricultural use all of our Wetlands Uplands The Preserve areas and buffers are now required to be their own separate tracks Consolidated under a single pamp under owned and controlled by a single entity and again this PUD agreement it sets forth all of these commitments and responsibilities that that we're going to be able to do and we're going to be forced to do we're able to extend Water and Sewer at our cost not the County's cost at the developers cost to construct and maintain we're able to extend those sewer lines to this property so we eliminate the requirement of those septic systems and a big enhancement of water quality Environmental Protections which you'll hear later in this presentation so here's the site plan here's what we're proposing again 175 residential units two golf courses clubhouses and amenities golf Cottages 1200 Acres of agricultural land 648 Acres of enhanced Wetlands Upland preserves of 324 Acres an open space of 3,547 acres under the agricultural land use you're required to have 50% open space under the rural lifestyle of land use designation you're required to have 70% open space our proposal and our plan has 91% open space I think now as we break down to the individual uses I think this is an important one to note the agricultural the 1200 Acres of agricultural land situated along Bridge Road and caner Highway and this is important one because it keeps it all contiguous and together but two you maintain that rural character so once this project is developed and somebody drives down Bridge Road or caner Highway they're not going to see this development the closest residential lot is over 600 ft away from Bridge Road what they're going to see is what they see today they're going to see Landscaping they're going to see the native habitat they're going to see natural environment they're going to see cattle just like they do today The Preserve areas over 1200 Acres of preserve areas through Wetlands Wetland buffers and Uplands golf courses again clustered together to minimize any potential impact on the greater greater um area three residential PODS of a total of 175 units and then golf golf course and golf club amenities and these are important elements too these landscape buffers enhanced landscape buffers as you drive along these corridors so along Bridge Road along caner Highway you're going to see these enhanced landscape buffers and even internally very large landscape buffers are going to separate the uses so again this very rural Lush feel hiding a lot of the activity within the project and with that this project does offer a lot of environmental benefits um that I'd like to have Toby overdorf from EDC come up here and talk about for the record Toby overdorf um engineering design and construction I run the environmental division there and wanted to run through some of the water quality benefits Associated um with this with this particular project as you can see from the slide in front of you uh there is a variety of things that um actually I'm pretty excited about overall first of all enhancing the water quality um runoff in the project above the minimum requirements and how are we doing that well we're um we're actually reducing nutrient loading within the c44 and with the waters that are not only coming out of there but what is being returned to that as well um one the items that I'd like to talk about as well is the final um bullet point on there benefits of Martin County and achieving their tmdl requirements this is some legislation um actually that I wrote um that is uh part of House Bill 1379 that is not only within the uh sewer side of it um but also on the nutrient side and reducing that so I think that's a very important element um that is actually a direct benefit to Martin County and a requirement that Martin County has to adhere to in the next 10 years uh next we're looking at Water quantity reduction um we're all extremely aware and Hyper aware of the uh the waters coming into the St Lucy River this project actually will increase the amount of storm water that's being stored on the property um the storm storm water is actually a very specific tmdl that's within the St Lucy B map and we're actually going to be reducing overall the amount of storm water going back into the St Lucy River and by the way we're also going to be taking that water in utilizing it for a variety of purposes whether it be irrigation or other things along those lines and then cleaning that water before it goes back out again the wetlands on site are being restored in such a manner that we're actually uh extracting a lot of the phosphorus nitrogen Etc uh that goes into that water and then before it goes back out it's being extracted um in a natural process so again a massive benefit there not only from the volume of storm water but also in the treatment of that storm water this gives you kind of a a graphic of that and how we're bringing the water in um on the northeast side running it through you can see through the perimeter ditches through other areas in the property we have large uh areas that are being they holding the water on site running it literally and just remember the scale of what you're looking at this is thousands of Acres that we're traversing this through this is not a massive running U running River but this is a a slow process that brings this through allows for the attenuation of that water allows for uh the plant life to take it up and oh by the way the plant life is continuing to be maintained as well during this whole time as well that is also part of our not only preserve area management plan um but also the lake area management plan which is also a requirement of uh of the Pud so we're going to be storing treating um looking at that water and making sure that it's cleaned up again before it's discharged um in a much less volume um as it goes back out into the c44 and then looking at Wetland restoration currently on site there is a fair amount of Exotics that are U proliferated through the site um Cypress domes have lodium that literally I'm walking on about 6 feet above the ground and it's this dense mat that's out there the applicant is taking care of all of that and is making it um having it all removed uh that is also um the other part of the augmentation is the filling in of lot of these on-site irrigation ditches that cross back and forth that were installed legally but now we're going to be looking at different purposes um on the site and now we're going ahead and filling some of those in so that then doesn't convey the water away from the Wetland instead the water stays inside the Wetland that's enhanced some of the Prairie Wetlands that are out there actually are just um fixing to really take off and we're excited about that opportunity too and oh by the way now also there's going to be a 50-ft buffer associated with a lot of these wetlands except where it's interfacing with golf and of course we're enhancing those buffers from there um so we have as much as 100 foot buffers in some areas uh and that is something that we're also in compliance with uh with Martin County requirements on that the other thing I want to just quickly touch on I know I'm taking some time here is that uh hydrological benefit in those hydrop periods by storing the water on site and really making sure that we're we're holding that water Within These Wetlands within the lakes lake systems it benefits not only our property but also the surrounding properties as well we're not doing a draw down we're not bringing that property back down again uh bringing other items back down again instead what we're actually doing is hydrating not only our piece but also those around us and that's been a major uh benefit in our discussions with the Water Management District and others we're actually looking at a net positive rather than a negative which is what you might see in a high density residential um or another area like that we're actually um real positive here and then finally just adding on to the public benefits for Habitat preservation restoration um I I really can't emphasize enough that we're keeping a on the property we're looking at this uh Community farming aspect um we actually have ways we're looking more at water uh water conservation on the parcel uh I I I'm just so excited about the the Wetland restoration the native habitat restoration that's going to be done on the on the property and uh and really looking at the preservation of a lot of these Uplands that frankly um I mean there there's not a lot of people um in this County that have seen some of these hammocks and they're absolutely going to stay that way in fact they're going to be looking a lot better so um it's I'm real excited as if you can't tell about the project and the prospect prospect of working on this and uh it's a really a special place and with that I'm going to turn it back over to Tyson he's going to get into some numbers thank you Toby so as part of our PUD application we're required to provide an e e omic analysis and so this is just a snapshot of the fiscal benefit of this project so right now it's agricultural land so you're taxed at Pennies on the dollar as this project moves forward what you'll see from this is a taxable value of 230 million then over the next 30 Years that number is estimated to increase to over3 billion doar so again a sizable change from this property from what we're we're looking to do and I know has mentioned this already but in addition to all of those environmental benefits that Toby talked about that you get because of the process we're going through that you don't get that if we did straight zoning you get that the county gets it the the community gets that because of what we're doing because of this process because of the applicant but on top of all of that the applicant is further committed to do more to the community uh the first thing is the banner restoration committed up to $50,000 of in kind service to help that Restoration in order to restore the natural flow of the banner Lake system he's worked with the Martin County School Board to offer a program with the South Fork High School and he's committed up to $750,000 of ink kind services to re redesign reshape and assist with the construction of the South Florida um short course short golf course in addition addition to that he's um they're going to set up an a educational mentoring program for the students at South Fork that are in the um the turf grass maintenance program so that they have real world real life experience on on some of these golf courses and they're going to continue they're committed to continuing to work with the school board to offer other on-site on the job training such as beef production management culinary arts and hospitality and tourism in addition to that they're developing youth caddy program in partnership with the Western golf association's Evans Scholars Program and finally yet another notable um public benefit and something the applicant is doing is agreeing to lease or convey 20 acres of land in order for the the IUS Co-op extension facility to relocate its headquarters on this site um and plus they're going to contribute up to $50,000 to assist them in getting the design and land use plans and stuff up and running just among those three things that's over a million dollars in contributions of public Community benefits that this applicant is willing to do I think it's remarkable and I don't know if the County's seen something quite like this this much of a public benefit when in reality we're asking for two concessions we're not asking for a density increase we're asking for small lot sizes so our residential footprint can go from 3900 Acres down to 200 acres and we're asking for water and sewer instead of putting up to 195 septic systems across these 3900 Acres that's the concession that's what we're asking for that's what we get from this plan unit development agreement and in return we're offering all these public benefits because it means something to the applicant this property this community means something and I think we can all agree what we've presented today is above and beyond what many many many if not all projects that offer for such a small concession and with that I want to thank you for your time and again we support staff's recommendation and we'd ask you to do the same thing and vote um vote to recommend approval to the board of County Commissioners and we're here for any questions if you have it um Tyson can you just confirm that you turned in your oh I'm sorry I thought I did that begin yes we we did turn in our Affidavit of notice gentlemen I may have some questions after um the community public after public maybe yeah Bob do you have anything for the applicant gentlemen Tyson does 175 dwelling units does that include the golf Cottages no sir how many golf Cottages I think right now we're proposing they can be up to 36 I think right now we're estimating or contemplating 24 so you going to stay under the 195 total units you could do by we we'd be right around that number again the golf Cottages aren't aren't counted towards the density because because those remain under ownership of the club they have to remain they can't be sold off in fee simple so those are it's it's really part of the club facility okay excuse me Tyson just to follow up on that was are there going to be any dormatory housing for employees no sir a good question other questions we're good we would like to move on to public comment and our first um citizen is uh Carol Fitzpatrick just a reminder for the public you'll be timed and you have three minutes to speak to the LPA hi my name is Carol Fitzpatrick I live at the fla club and all of this behind us is in process on all the statements tonight I heard no reference to the South Florida Water Management District's scathing review of the proposed future land use map amendment to change the land use designation to rural Lifestyle on that note the marine and the gulf C runoff that's going to go into the canal who is going to over to see this to make sure that it's not dumping everything with all of the nutrients and stuff my next thing that's a pet project of mine with all of the new developments that going to be coming your way when is Bridge Road going to be widened for two lanes each way it January 7th 2022 it was stated by AR Snider the sheriff he said it is one of the most dangerous roads in Mar County and it's still there's many many deaths and it's usually in the same area with all of this new development when is it going to happen you're going to wait until everything's done and then start look at Cove Road they didn't widen that before this and what they did widen didn't appreciate didn't depreciate any of the traffic going through it's still piled up right all to almost to Federal Highway so I hope you do something and think before you approve everything thank you thank you I'm calling the names as I received them so no one get upset about the order of doing this Greg Braun he is the Guardians of Martin County thank you good evening my name is Greg Brun I'm a certified environmental professional and I am here this evening on behalf of the Guardians of Martin County uh the Guardians do support responsible development and I'll give credit to these guys they have put a very good project together unfortunately there are still two issues that the Guardians have that are preventing us from being fully supportive of this they both have to do with water the first is about water quality um and thank you representative for telling us uh about the plans to do this and and do that we hope that those projects to enhance water quality really do come about we've been pleased to support Martin County's projects to do water quality monitoring and get grants to do various restoration projects but we're concerned about the water quality impacts associated with putting golf courses and homes on this property golf courses do have the potential to do good things for for water quality but unless monitoring is done we don't have any proof that that's actually going to take place place so far we haven't uh heard of any commitment to do any water quality monitoring and we understand that the this is the time that the county could impose a requirement that that water quality monitoring be done as they mentioned the water from this property will be discharging into the c44 and the South Fork is already designated as an impaired water body the least that can be done is to go ahead and require that monitoring be done we requ EST that Martin County oversee that water quality monitoring project that it' be instream constant monitoring and that that be paid for by the applicant a drop in the bucket in relation to the millions of dollars that the project will bring into the county the second issue is also about water and that is the extension of water and sewer outside the urban Services District um I believe that all of you received the copy of the paper that the Guardians put together several months ago that talk about uh golf courses outside the urban Services district and our request at that time is the same that I'm going to ask you to do tonight and that is to ask or to require that a conservation easement be put on Those portions of the property that are not going to be otherwise encumbered Through The Preserve area management plan uh it doesn't sound like very much you they're saying that they're exceeding the minimum standard but it uh it adds up to a lot of property and so our concern is that once Water and Sewer get to the property it's just going to be a matter of time before a request comes in for more intensive development that whole issue will go away if you go ahead and require that a conservation be put on the remaining properties and that one of the co-h holders of that easement be some conservation group thank you or two can we ask a question to at the end I guess or the okay no speak not usually usually it's just public comment we can talk afterwards reick anytime all right next up we have uh Dena Peterson can you guys hear me okay okay I'm a resident in Martin County have been for a long time I feel like every time a new vote comes before the LPA or the commission it's in favor of the developers these are cottages for wealthy individuals these are not going it's going to increase traffic it's going to increase this is an area that the lady said South Flor water management came out with a letter in January saying that this was not consistent with their water goals for this area it's part of an area that they're trying to restore Wetlands to and this project to say that a wetland is going to be restored but a Golf Course is going to be around it that's just not not the way it should be done it's not the natural habitat we're changing the Martin County Difference by and the cat's out of the bag already at this point that you've allowed the urban Services boundary to um be broken with this rural lifestyle Amendment but to continue to allow houses and cottages and golf courses and um to be going out there that's going to increase traffic again for wealthy people they're saying they're giving over a million dollar in gifts that's really generous and that's really wonderful but they wouldn't be giving a million dollar in gifts if they weren't making a lot of money and I don't think that Martin County and the board and the LPA should be making decisions based on developers making a lot of money but what's best for Martin County residents 20 acre ranchetts having families out there Building Family Farms that is what Martin County and outside the urban urban Services boundary has been about is Family Farms and small you know and grazing land for cattle not for wealthy Millionaires and billionaires to have cottages and staff and um golf courses that are going to pollute the waterways um I just feel like my other issue is that I saw on one of the site plans it listed under um common habitat it listed hammocks um Oak and palm C hammocks and those are actually considered rare and endangered um and I don't really see a calculation for that um and the other thing is that there's supposed to be so much habitat stored around the golf courses and then in addition to the 25% but we're getting a total of 39% but not the 25 plus 30 so I was a little bit um not sure that I quite understand how those calculations were done or how that math really maths but um those would be my questions as well um but I just ask you to consider the average folk of Martin County and what's best for us what's best for our roadways if the developer not playing to expand the roads then it's just going to add to the increase of traffic and congestion that we already are inundated with thank you oh I'm sorry I'm up apologize um next up is Kayla Shay with Trailside HOA lot owner hi I'm Kyla Shay I'm the president of Trailside HOA I'm also a lot owner and I've also lived out there for 19 years um I'm concerned about a few things first and foremost staff assured you all that they thought the south Florida issue was worked out I talked to South Florida today there are two applications that are in a review with South Florida they have not changed their stance on the serp which is a conserve area the conservation Everglades restoration project which the ranch definitely goes into I understand that um a legal firm did Issue a rebuttal to South Florida's very scathing letter it's a good idea for the attorney to sign their name at the bottom of that letter not just put it on a letter head let's see let's talk about some other things we obviously from what I've heard others say don't want another Community like Trailside we are 20 plus acre ranchetts yes we have Wetlands on our individual Lots yes we work with South Florida Water Management every year to be under 5% of Exotics and it's not a problem at all it's very manageable so for anyone who says it's not come talk to me I'll give you our plan other parts that were said we're going to lease or convey up to 20 acres for UF that's a great project lease or convey we can't give it away we're going to lease it for how long 22 seconds Christ's Fellowship promised the Sun the moon and the stars still waiting for it I don't let's really see what they're going to do um buffer zones where's Trail Sid's buffer they've cleared land we're looking at bare dirt the winds have been blowing 30 to 40 mph every day the dirt their dirt is in our Canal let's stick with Martin County residents we live here we pay taxes here there was a severe accident on Monday on Bridge Road a car flipped it took out the power lines the car burst into flames the person was traumah hawked in the time frame I've lived at Trailside that's number 19 in the same section of Bridge Road let's do our infrastructure let's do our hospitals let's do our Medical Care and let's stop letting developers tell the Martin County residents what we're going to do for them thank you okay next up is Geraldine I'm G to slauter your last name here du duay GG I've been told it's easier yeah thank thank you I apologize and and thank you I I uh Jal jenko dubet I did have an opportunity to study all of the things and I I honestly think this is a first class development um from a perspective of the Water Management plan to the setbacks and the residential and their um promises to make donations to our community what I have a problem with is that we have a code and that code is very specific and it's written to make it fair for everybody not only for the county for the developers and the citizens and laws are required where our common sense and our Humanity fails and I'm seeing that there's a lot of things that didn't happen on this particular application that made it complete and it's incomplete in the sense that we don't have a developer agreement we don't have full disclosure on all of the owners so that we know where there's the conflict of interest and I mean what if people are going to make huge donations to Commissioners uh that are going to be voting on this we need to know all of this um the uh Capital Improvement plan the capital Improvement schedule which is what everybody that before me is spoken about is the County's responsibility we got a breakdown of revenues based on millage that anybody could have done with a spreadsheet but we have no idea what the capital Improvement program is going to be how it's going to affect the rest of the county and this is cumulative this isn't just this development it's all of the other developments that are coming in under rural lifestyle it's important that we have that I feel like the county is failing Us in not making sure that these things are done and if they are being done why aren't they out for the public to review doesn't somebody like Mr Schilling have a responsibility to have that information we need it because if we don't we're going to be just like Boer rone and we don't want to be like that um the thing is that we want to see that not only are they paying their fair share but they're looking at their neighbors the people that are living here and that we can all live together in harmony um I I don't see anything that has to do with the capital Improvement plan I didn't see anything that addressed the issues that water management had this is all part of the development review application it should be in the application for public discl osure and not having it denies citizens the opportunity of making comments and being educated your time is up thank you I know thank you very much thank you very much um up next we have Brandon Tucker and then after Brandon we're going to have Jennifer palum good evening Madam chair members of the LPA and Staff Brandon Tucker executive director of the Florida Landers Owners Association and 27-year resident of Martin County first of all I'd like to appla our County staff and the exemplary job that this staff has done on this particular project and all the work that the LPA and the board of county commissioner at this point uh has has all the hard work that they have done to this point to get this project to this point um when we talk about the Martin County difference this project exemplifies that if you went to any other County especially any County close to Martin County and you had 4,000 Acres asking for some type of a change we would be talking about 8 to 12,000 residential units more than likely on a 4,000 acre ranch but here we have a land owner that has been dedicated to actually lowering what his vested rights are as far as residential development increasing Environmental Protection for this piece of property as some many of you know that I was the former Vice chair of the governing board of the South for World Order Management District and understand those processes how those work how important it is that we protect the c44 and our Estuary uh from phosphorus and nitrogen runoff and all those things so you know part of the condition of issuing an Erp permit by the Water Management District is is at a minimum you have to demonstrate that you're not going to increase any loading from the previous issues so this applicant is even demonstrating they're going to make things even better from a water quality and a water storage standpoint so fla without question supports this project we see this as a huge not only economic lift for Martin County but a huge environmental lift for the area as well thank you for your time thank you Mr tuer Right Jennifer pum am I saying that right U is with UF ifas extension to Martin County yes good evening I'm Jennifer pelum I'm the County Extension director in urban horiculture ulture agent with the University of Florida IAS extension here in Martin County and part of our mission with the University of Florida IAS extension is to support our agriculture industry uh through research and also through education and here in Morton County we have over 23,000 people who are employed with the agricultural industry which equals to be about one quarter of all the jobs in Martin County and this partnership um well part of our uh our current location you probably know is located just north of the fairgrounds and that we're very limited in that location as far as space goes to conduct research and to conduct our programs and this opportunity um would be great for to enhance and to establish new programming with the University of Florida IAS extension in Martin County and we are fortunate um to have met the m mcnicholas and the ranch team when we were looking for a new property and they we got the idea this would be a great location for us and I happen to agree that would be a great location and thanks to the generosity of the Bas to providing 20 acres um to support our programming our educational efforts uh which include agriculture ranching farming gardening Landscaping uh the Florida yards and neighborhoods program and also our 4 youth is part of the University of Florida IAS extension and uh we look forward to this partnership in the future thank you thank you Miss pum all right up next is Dakota seon and after Dakota is going to be Joe Flanigan how you doing can you hear me I am Dakota ston I'm here tonight to hopefully give a little different perspective um on the kaloa ranch project I'll tell you a little bit about myself I'm 26 I've been in Martin County for 3 years now uh hopefully many more years um I'm an Outdoorsman I consider myself um an environmentalist and I have a background in uh conservation I've worked with various teams of scientists and a few foreign governments on the implementation of um conservation easements and protected areas with that being said um I just wanted to share with you guys that I think this uh this project and its outlined initiatives provides a really robust and valuable template for for present and future um environmentally conscious developments and I uh I hope that value is recognized here and realized here in Martin County thank you thank you Mr seon Mr Flanigan after Joe it's GNA be Carol Carol Anne lonard good evening Joe Flanigan Stuart Florida and I'd also like to thank staff for the wonderful pictures that are on the wall in the back cuz I've never sat in the back but those are some really nice things everyone to at least go and look at them before you leave the room uh four numbers that I'd like to repeat Mr Schillings Mr Waters presented 3900 that's the number of Acres that are in this project then you have 91% is open space that means you look down and see grass you look up and see Sky 660 is the amount of wetlands that are out there that I understand will be put in protection and maintenance in a single pamp and then uh 12200 acres is a ranch a working Ranch uh I substituted South Fork High School sometime and there was one of my students that said I work on that ranch and I'm good I'm glad that we're going to continue that I'm also excited about the University of Florida gogators that uh they're going to be able to have that opportunity to put a lot of things in there to our students in the agricultural programs and last I was there at Southfork high school when they built that Golf Course and I'm just looking forward to upgrading I used to tea off just before I was leaving each day all right I'm on my way to Jensen Beach High School for their band concert but thank you for your consideration tonight thank you Mr Flanigan go balls actually I have payback my son is going to the University of Florida so there you [Laughter] go okay I'm going have him escort me out no oh man man I'm on my own tonight all right uh okay oh you're up I'm sorry I was going to call your name again no problem my name Carol and Leonard uh please do not pass agenda this agenda item at this time I think more information is needed by the public as I see it the development is not in the latest rural lifestyle allowed area as it is more than a mile away from a USB it should not get water and sewer because of that the the south Florida Water Management District concerns need to be addressed for sure the the cie CIS ser and IRL South are all important factors that affect the people of Martin County um there are a lot of good oh and the public needs to be given all the information for a thorough public discussion to be done there are a lot of good things in this project after listening to them I do agree I do want to say this um this one po policy in the staff report uh says there may be been benefit to a developer to include incentives to encourage affordable housing Maron county is in dire of affordable housing for all incomes I don't see affordable housing with residential lots probably with large expensive homes Cottages a golf course and a multi-slip docking facility being planned the ranch will be using the services of fire rescue sheriff and schools putting a burden on the existing ones nearby Atlantic fields and Three Lakes Golf Club will to all go outside the USB for water and sewer Bridge Road is two lane and the ranch States an equestrian Trail will run beside it both are bad the ranch H PUD Master site plan is very hard to read even with the limited enlargement I had to get a large magnifying glass to read many parts of it and it's still hard this needs to change a special concern are the Acres near the c44 canal development could lead to pollution in the canal from runoff of storm water from homes golf courses with fertilizer pesticides and herbicides the storm water for a 25e 3-day storm event is to be held for a Time prior to discharging into the dry detention swells wet conveyance ditches and wet ponds but what if it is exceeded I think it may be possible for pollution to then overflow from these areas get into the groundwater and perhaps the c44 I think it may be able to leech into those areas with just regular water retention in them there's a multiple slip docking facility on the c44 canal I think pollution of oil gas and sewage that is not pumped out for free by Martin County could definitely get into the canal and our other waters I agree with water monitoring that was suggested by Greg Brawn the disclosure of Interest after dated needs to be accurate we need to know who's on it and who's benefiting thank you thank you U up next is Nancy brownie brownie excuse me that's a fun last name hello thanks for your time and thank you for the presentation um my name's Nancy brownie I was born and raised here my dad was born and raised here my grandpa was born in Fort Pierce I love Martin County and I thank you for everyone doing your job and taking your time um you know I live off Pratt Whitney and I went to South Fork High School and so I do like the fact that they are giving opportunities to the turf that's awesome and um the children there my concern is with the door that it's opening which if I would have known what I would known now I would have been standing up against the whole Christ Fellowship thing back then that's what I'm afraid of I I think what they're trying to do here sounds really good there's a few things with the water and everything that I I don't understand if they can filtrate that water why we can't do that with okobe but um it's not making sense like there's got to be a way to make sure that that water is being um you know cleaned but also just with the herb the majority of them don't live there they don't have to experience what we're going to have to experience they just probably get a little something extra in their pocket so thanks all right that was our last public comment any other public comments okay we have no interveners so at this time oh just kidding JK we got one um my name's Christa and I live in Stewart out in tropical Farms I've lived here for 22 years I moved up here from Fort Lauderdale to escape that type of lifestyle that is now slowly coming this way um on every street corner there's another HOA neighborhood there's a gas station there's a car wash there's something that we do not need here um everybody has pretty much addressed the water concern so I'm not going to go there but my concern is the healthcare crisis you cannot get a doctor you can't you're lucky if you have a primary care doctor you probably have to wait about four months to get in um on top of that if you can even get a primary care doctor some of them aren't even taking patients they're not taking patients till 2026 you have to wait 4 months to get get an appointment with an immunologist you have to wait 6 months to get a mammo God forbid you miss that appointment you have to wait six more months to get a mammo um you walk into the emergency rooms and you're lucky if you get a spot in a room because if I'm not sure if you guys ever walk into Cleveland Clinic but there are hallways filled with stretchers that's illegal that's a jco violation um and it's wrong would you guys want your grandma sitting in the hallway getting treated medically getting treated I don't think so I mean do do any of you want to be treated in a hallway bed because there's no rooms there's no we have outgrown the infrastructure of steuart Stuart is not a quaint little fishing Town anymore it's a it's turning into a concrete jungle so really my concern is is it's we're growing so fast but we have no doctors coming to this area our hospitals are overwhelmed I mean you walk into Martin North and there's stretchers just all over the place with patients all in the hallway getting treated it's like where's the Privacy it's all Hipp of violation so um I just really ask you guys to consider all of these things that everybody's saying because it sounds good and great um everything that they've proposed but again what are what's Martin County what what are the citizens that have lived here for 30 plus years gaining from this nothing so that's all I have to say thank you thank you thank you all right going once going twice any more public comment okay all right we're moving on um at this time like I said no interveners um the applicant has an opportunity for additional comments Mr Tyson thanks for the record again Toby overo if want to address the Water Management District issue that um keeps uh popping up in a letter that was issued previously we actually met with the executive uh director and his team um specifically regarding this and uh they do not have an objection associated with the Ser IRL footprint and this particular project if they did and if that um if that in fact do did continue uh it would be reflected in the Erp process um if you're not aware not only are we getting the approvals from you all we're also getting um a a water use as well as Erp process from the Water Management District if there is an issue associated with any of that it would come out in that Erp process uh and again there is no there really is no concern associated with that I know that we are working uh with District staff to hopefully get a letter or some kind of thing uh for yall all before the before the next time around as uh as we're going to be moving forward with that so again that would be something that would come out in the Erp process Mr over do you have an Erp agreement from the south florid order Management District now there is an Erp in process per state law you do not have to have your Erp prior to a local government approval okay it's in process and it runs concurrently Madam chair I have a question yes sir I read that staff report from uh that person at South Florida Water Management District I also tried to call her and she's no longer with the district so why hasn't that been retracted by South Florida Water Management District at this point why is that email still out there why hasn't something been done about it I I can't seems to be a rogue email and you can't speak to the person who wrote it as much as I'd like to speak for the water manage District I can't um and I all I can say is that the executive director there we did meet with and uh they do not have an issue with the the footprint associated with our project and the Sur IRL footprint and if you don't get an Erp from the district you can't go for it anyhow yes sir that is correct if we do not get the Erp we cannot we cannot move ahead with the project and the Erp and these conditions associated with with ser and IRL would be predicated in that Erp thank you very much and Madam chair someone mentioned about water quality monitoring is there a problem with doing something like that that be something I'd take back I I know that um Martin County as far as what was suggested to have Martin County do that that water quality monitoring I don't believe that would be actually part of what we would agree to um D does do um water quality monitor moning in the area there and specifically they've enhanced uh the water quality monitoring specifically with this within the c44 um Basin which is what we're looking at the water quality the water body um identification and that is the parameters there for the for the tmdls are specifically I guess the question would be where so if you're monitoring just well if I can just finish Jim I'm sorry um specifically those parameters are total phosphorus total nitrogen and um and dissolved oxygen um that that would need to be monitored now to your question is specifically where again that'll be part of a permit negotiation associated with that um we are required um ahead of time and our Professional Engineers are required to make sure that what we're doing is in compliance with the Water Management District in other words we have to show reduction um and that initial reduction has to be in compliance with the current uh regulations that are associated with removal I guess the question is the monitoring in would be coming from the c44 Upstream theoretically and measuring out at the c44 they're both I mean the c44 is a terribly impaired water body with numbers that are way outside of the tmdls currently so a reduction wouldn't be hard to achieve and where it's measured is critical to getting some positive performance from this very large SDA and I I'm not sure without those specifics it's very supportable to say that you're actually reducing a great number of those nutrients that are going back into it from from your golf and and agricultural operations that's that's the problem with not being really specific well I appreciate you calling it an SDA that's a great start um first of all I thank you for that um the the reality is that I can't sit here tonight and say that we're going to have a monitoring here here and here um that is something that we'll take into consideration and I think that's a point that's been brought forward um and again my only um trepidation in that would be to assign that to Martin County um I think that that needs to be within those bodies that are currently uh dealing with water quality whether it be um at the state level DP or the water manage District so how often do they will they monitor ongoing twice a year again that's a that's a question back to D and there we um I say we the state approved um some additional funding for for monitoring uh throughout the entire Basin and uh I know that there's going to be some compliance requirements for uh the tmdls within the bmaps that are that are coming forward so what what you're saying is the state will be monitoring somewhat and Jim is saying at least twice a year is that that's what they're required to do yeah and again that's outside of the parameters of of what we're doing but I would love to see more monitoring for for the state well water water monitoring is easy I mean you're going to bring water in from one place and it's going to go back out the other place so you're taking water when it comes in you're testing it and when it goes back out you test it again I mean this was being done on this Ranch 50 years ago when I worked on this Ranch 50 years ago we took water samples when it came in and took water samples when it went out and it was cleaner when it went out than when it went in and it and it wasn't near as sophisticated as what you're doing so I don't think there's that doesn't concern me a I couldn't agree more um so but but but the Jim's point and and everybody's in this room's point is so concerned about the water quality and I am too that just put a you know for pennies on the dollar I mean like somebody said it'd be really cheap to just put a water uh put a what do they call it a killroy I I I can't agree to that tonight I appreciate but those are things appreciate the suggestion yes well Toby can't agree to it but the applicant could agree to something and I'm not saying you need to determine tonight what it will be but I think something should be done where the public is assured that this this project is this is a so this is a negotiation yes and again we're we're not we can only recommend we can't enforce anything so I'm what I'm saying is tonight they don't have to agree to anything we could say no we don't recommend that it go to the commiss with an affirmative to the commission but we don't need to negotiate exactly what it is I would like to see something and we can make that one of the conditions Jim when we send it up the line and I've learned a valuable lesson since staff just mention mens it they don't really say this is what the LPA would like you to do I think you need to speak to your commissioner and say this is what the LPA recommends um I I also have a question on The Hammocks I don't know who wants to answer that CU that was also brought up in public comment hammocks pardon me the leg odium filled hammocks yes I'm sorry say it again please I apologize there was a question on The Hammocks from the public could you address them could you address that please um there's a variety of of ways that we quantify uh upin habitat and uh that particular type of of hammock is in fact listed by a variety of the agencies as uh normal H um normal habitat it is not a rare and endangered and in fact we had that verified when we went out there with Martin County as well Martin County verified this is not a rare and endangered habitat you want anything no I think I mean often those oak hammocks are coastal hardwood hammocks and those are endangered but these these are not necessarily so the person got their answer as to a development agreement Paul you want to say something Elise you're talking about an agreement on getting ready are we done with the applicant and questions well we may not be the applicant can answer it or Paul I thought Paul would just answer it but anyone could answer my question about a development agreement I think the reference is this plan unit development agreement that that would that is the reference there is nothing we're not going to have something else on top of that correct yes sir that's it okay which makes sense to me there was also something about IUS the relocation we had IUS speak H how is IUS going to access this their their 20 acres is it with buried somewhere is it going to be on caner Highway direct the Pud condition actually requires direct access it shows on a map yeah I know but people ask so let's give them an answer okay and then I have something as far as Bridge Road is concerned that is on your M your your your list for 2045 good bad or indifferent it'll be two lanes in each Direction in 2045 what are you talking about Bridge Road that's when it's on for on well that's when on and that's the N Go okay okay and any other questions for the applicant well let me see uh otherwise you can State your opinion on nope that's it okay so there there were a couple questions about easements and recommendations for increasing easements on Bridge Road is that part of a negotiation there was a one of the comments from one of the reviewers was that they would prefer to have 15 more feet of easement on on Bridge Road so that they could do something with utilities on Bridge Road it was one of the very few comments that staff actually had I mean I believe we're we're conveying the right of way requested okay yeah yes sir Paul Shilling growth management director so any request for RightWay as my understanding would be uh complied with okay I I mean I it just didn't get taken up in the Pud agreement and it was one of staff's recommendations but one of the very few ones okay any other questions do you have any further comments Mr Waters thank you very much okay thank you okay uh Paul back to you any final comments from staff no thank you I have a question for you when it comes to storm water on property doesn't Martin County have a lot of rules and regulations of how to store the sto uh storm water and that they design for the 100e storm 25 absolutely there are we have a team at this level of the master site plan is uh a review has been compliant with the public works reviewers their team as part of the future final site plans with respect to the individual phases we'll get into the Civil plans in more details of those requirements but certainly we exceed the the U State agencies just wanted to so there's a storm water Rule and there's Mar County okay I'd also point out that someone has brought up and there was an email of public comment about a disclosure um there has been a revised disclosure which uh my understanding was there was a couple llc's in which the uh clarification was given as far as those those actual individuals involved in those so we have reviewed that in our um found it in compliance so just the wrong disclosure was attached to your agenda there was an updated one I emailed the disclosure to all the board members before so they can consider who the parties were and they could determine if they have a conflict so the board the LPA has received that the LPA also received the plan unit development agreement if the public would like those two things the draft agenda was released today both of those are in there for the public to review and what's the date for the transmitt to the count commission the hearing for all three will be on April 30th M Madam chair all right yeah we can move on is that it Paul for you yes thank you okay you got it all right now we're on to deliberation okay Madam chair yes sir a couple of things at the last County Commission meeting the count the Commissioners agreed to put on a half cent sales tax on a referendum for certain properties in Martin County the headers of the of the St Lucy and lo lahache I believe it is blueways what what are the other two yeah yeah Palmar and one other the the headquarters yeah and so if people are really serious about keeping Martin County without development that means Martin County has to buy the land it's as simple as that if we don't buy the land it's going to be developed this is a very good development but not all developments are good but they have property rights and as long as we have property rights people are going to buy it so I urge everyone sitting here to go ahead and vote for the sales tax I believe it'll be $18.5 million per year year for 10 years with $200 million we can do a lot of buying especially if we start bonding as to anything oh as to Christ Fellowship yeah that was a pretty bad deal but if you were paying attention you would have known it was a bad deal and that's something that should have never happened so I wholeheartedly agree with you so I'm going to make a motion to approve staff's recommendation with on before you do that anybody else has anything to well I'll make the motion then they can all everybody discussion okay okay uh with some type of water uh quality monitoring maybe to be decided by the applicant and staff between now and April 30th all right can we get a second I'll second that all right uh we're now open up for discussion before we vote yeah Jim I um I've disagreed with this proposal from the beginning I do not support um sprawling beyond the urban service boundary um I do not support a uh PUD agreement including marinas and um uh lack of justification of of circulation of uh treatment of water on the property I do not support the rural amendment in the first place but I do I certainly do not support this um there is an incredible rush to get this moved forward which concerns me um caner highway is a disaster right now and it's not getting any better I think that if people presume to say that the three legs buffering is attractive um I don't think so it's like driving down a ditch um this this is selling the soul of Martin County to a recreational industry that um is probably not supportable um it seems as though and I'm not an economist so I'm going out in a limb it seems as though um this is a very speculative economic uh uh uh Revenue review um I I am concerned that that we can't support this we certainly don't have the infrastructure to support it and um and I don't believe that we've got enough specifics on what it is they are proposing to monitor when it comes to water quality and and frankly it comes down to water quality from my perspective okay anybody else any comments yeah I'll go I'll go okay I mean do I like the project no I hate the project I wish that this was going to be like it was when I was a kid cuz I hear all these people talk about they moved here way back when and you know that that does that does cut much mustard with me um people are going to move here and and and when you read these comments somebody made a comment here about buildout I want somebody to to defined buildout does buildout mean when somebody dies you get on the waiting list and somebody dies and you're in the lottery so you get to come move in now because that person died cuz we're built out nobody else is coming so this this whole buildout thing doesn't doesn't wash with me and and as far as the roads the roads you're right the roads are we're getting crowded and and I think over the last 20 years or so that's been one of the no- growth people people's design let's don't build any roads let's keep it small so if it gets crowded enough nobody will want to move here well I got news for that didn't work cuz 714 is crowded uh Bridge Road's crowded every place is crowded had we been planning for growth for the last 20 years we would have these roads I leave Palm City and try to get to 95 every morning I come in and every night I go out and we're finally building a road that when I was a kid that was a dirt road when you went over the turnpike it was a dirt road we're finally going to get a four-lane road out to Citrus Boulevard it ought to be all the way to 95 if we were thinking ahead we'd go to 95 so is it the the developers fault yes that we didn't do our roads build the roads that's not the developer fault and these people built they they bought this place and so my deal is what's the best deal for Martin County guys everybody ask that we listen to our board member you what the best deal we can get this is the best deal we're going to get from Martin County I I've seen 20 acre developments I hate 20 acre developments that's the biggest waste of a development as you could possibly have and and I know y'all done a good job out there and and I applaud you for that but most of them so we're going to have we could have more 20 acre developments more 20 acre lots in what we're getting now so we're going to have less people they're going to be on water and sewer and it's better for the environment and so is there going to be more traffic with this than there would be if we said do it by right and do it by 20 acre developments there's not going to be any more traffic it's the same it's going to be close to the same so it to me this is the best deal we can get for Martin County and I and I hate it like I said I I was on this Ranch in the 60s and 70s I hate that it's going to be developed I wish there was cows going to be there forever and there's 12200 Acres of cows in yeah you know to me that's that's the Minimus it makes it look pretty along the road so people that are tourists can drive by and say I see a cow but is it really economically viable nah not really so that's my thoughts okay Bob any thoughts the the bottom line is it isn't just a million dollars that's coming in for gifts and you're holding up the carrot and we all Run for the carrot but it's the tax revenue that's coming into the county and we are in lean time that are going to get leaner and I hope I'm wrong and I was an economist so I do have a pretty good idea of what goes on and I think things are going to get tighter and developments that make sense that went from 600 units under the original plan and the owners backed off and bring it bring it down to 175 units with people that are sustainable if you have $100 million in the bank and the markets turn down and you have $80 million your life goes on as normal if you have $1,000 in the bank and you drop down it makes a big difference and there's a lot of people in our community that are living paycheck to paycheck so anything we can do to boost that Revenue in an educated way I believe makes sense um just remind everybody too we're not approving a final site plan we are voting on the Pud and the zoning change on this uh so there will be more details to follow let the um audience know that so as information comes out you will be getting more information about the property as it gets further developed so just want to make sure everybody remind everybody what we're actually voting on this evening so any other vote well we just we have a second so do we have any other deliberations comments no anybody second his motion yes Bob did okay um let's take a vote all in favor I I'm opposed I opposed we have four eyes and one oppos position okay all right with that being said the meeting is adjourned thank you thank you