e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e righty then mics are on we'll call the meeting to order uh approval of minutes I'd U make a motion to approve the minutes from uh June yeah and I second it all in favor I I thank you uh so we'll go to the second second item resoning Deno so this is a quasi judicial proceeding so no either okay and then we're going to need a swear in the witnesses please raise your right hands anyone who's gonna do their thing uh do you swear or affirm that the evidence you're about to give will be the truth the truth and nothing but the truth and there are no interveners no interveners okay thank you Mr chair I'm John Senate senior planner with growth management a copy of my work history has been filed with the clerk I'm presenting the rezoning application for property owned by Mr Dennis seago Mr seago desires to rezone from the current A2 agricultural District to the r2a rural estate District the site is located on the south side of Southwest Citrus Boulevard in Western Palm City it's a little over half a mile to the northeast of the existing Hemingway Estates residential subdivision property is currently vacant the future land use of the property and the surrounding properties to the east and west is rural density and across Citrus Boulevard to the north we see the agricultural future land use across the St Lucy Canal to the South we see again the agricultural future land use property is currently zoned A2 along with the areas to the north west and south the A2 district is a category C District to the east we see the re 2A zoning District because the existing A2 zoning district is a category C zoning District this application is being processed as a mandatory rezoning to a category a district which implements the policies for the rural density future land use designation there's one standard category a zoning District which implements the rural density future land use designation that is the r2a rural estate District PUD zoning is also an additional option for applicants however Mr seago is requesting the r2a rural estate District these are the development standards for re 2A minimum lot size of 2 Acres maximum Building height of 30 ft minimum open space 50% setbacks front side and rear are 30 ft these are the conditions supporting the applicants requested r2a r2a zoning district is consistent with the future land use designation of rural density for the property in the surrounding areas on the south side of Citrus Boulevard the East adjoining property in the Hemingway Estates residential subdivision to the South West are already zoned r2a the r2a zoning District provides development standards which are compatible with the rural character of the surrounding area development review staff have found the seaga rezoning application to comply with all applicable regulations and the comprehensive growth management plan as detailed in the staff report staff recommends approving the request to reone from A2 agricultural District to r2a rural estate District I'm here for any questions I have none good evening thank you for your time my name is audre Cree I am an attorney with Cree land use and Zoning PA I represent Dennis seago the owner of the property and I'm here as well for any questions I do have proof of notice which I will be giving to U Mr Senate right now so uh we do have all notice requirements fulfilled thank you I have no questions for the public comment come on last this isn't by right vote we just need to make sure there's no public comment okay any public comment sorry I'm coming in apologize I have a sick teenager at home as they get older they still need more help okay um first item we're on yes I apologize um we're just asking if there's any public comment okay no one's uh bum rushing the podium there um so um board members uh I have no comments or questions for either the applicant or the staff I uh move staff's recommendation for approval okay we have a motion can we get a second I second it okay all in favor I I I all right pass thank you thank you you're welcome thank you for your time thank you I apologize Jim we're on this next one so it's this comprehensive plan Amendment the6 okay all right we are moving on to um item np-2 comprehensive plan Amendment 24-6 hous a proposed text amendment to chapter six the housing element of the comprehensive growth management plan Martin County Code based on 2024 evaluation and appraisal report e a and it's being presented by not Mr Paul Shilling But Clyde good evening members of the local planning agency my name is Clyde duelan with me is Stephanie height uh Stephanie and the local in the Treasure Coast Regional planning Council has done the the work on these three chapters that we will be presenting to you here tonight uh so I'm going to turn it over to her to uh give you a rundown of the basics and the staff report thanks Oh I thought you were green I'm going to bur you down okay so um basically these are minor changes that are being made to the goals objectives and policies it's mostly to update references to reports um that are used to account for analyze the existing sty housing stock in the county um the updates um the tables and all the information that was currently available came from recognized sources such as the shimberg center for housing studies the US Census Bureau American Community survey and the US housing for um Housing and Urban de development um one of the things um at this time is is a great opportunity to do those updates because uh the legislature has passed you have to have 10 and 20 year planning Horizons now so it's good to have that data in there that um that updated data to be able to do that planning um let's see um we've also added quite a few tables um what was previously there to give more data to the staff so these tables include tenure um age of housing rents values uh monthly uh cost to um owner occupied units as well as income uh ratios and information on substandard dwelling units so that's helpful when you're addressing the for oil housing crisis that we're going through now so um also uh the vacant land residential land analysis that section has been updated to provide consistency with the cop plan um there has been one section updated to reference the live local act requirements of that legislation uh a policy being added um related to exceptions and waivers of impact fees uh the C uh we did update another policy as it references Martin County uh land trust that was created in 2023 and then finally um there were some other uh updates to reflect current legislative requirements to identify um have a list of what real property that the county owes that would be suitable for affordable housing it's a new requirement so we did put that in those are the basic updates and available for questions um I'm a little well more than a little concerned that the um residential Capacity Analysis is not an analysis it's only statistics um where where where can we do that I mean we've got something like 14,000 residential capacity but what does that mean um it it used to mean that we would be able to determine what our 15-year window of of buildout and give us some sort of understanding of when it might be appropriate to move an urban service boundary for instance but now we don't have such how how can we use this statistic as as is a useful tool U I'd be happy to respond uh Mr Mo uh we still have a residential Capacity Analysis and we have the details of it specified in chapter four of the comprehensive plan and it talks about the 10year and 20year windows uh that or planning periods that uh that the analysis considers both the capacity and the projected population in those periods so so this section is not a residential uh Capacity Analysis this is just what is available I believe you were referring to a section of uh can Stephanie can you point me to the right portion here of chapter six I think I marked it it's a table that tells us uh f it no there's there's there's no tabular data in the housing element on this subject uh the residential Capacity Analysis is produced pursuant to plan policies in chapter 4 and uh it's not uh it's not it's never been shown as a tabular data in the comp plan I I could be wrong um because I read this last week but um I believe there is a table in here that talks that that is labeled residential capacity well I'll see if I can find what you're what you're referring to the existing housing stock like yeah that's the one on the screen is that what you're referring to no no here page eight potential units is that the one not no that's not it either see I know there's reference to to that but I don't know that there's a table in here we do no there's there's never been a table showing residential capacity uh in either this chapter or in chapter four um well that what was surprising to me was that it was really just what was Avail what what had been built what was what what was available on bacon property as well as um the lots unbuilt and there's a total this is a proposed table yes summary of potential units is that it yeah this is proposed table but uh and I believe it it may be it may be gathering some data from our existing residential capacity but uh it's not in total the residential Capacity Analysis not doing compar analysis summarizes the potential residential units in the primary and secondary urban service districts based on vacant property with a residential future land use designation and it ends up being a table MH yes sir to me that looks awful lot like a residential capacity table well it's providing you some the supply um but it's not providing you with the approved units uh and and approved subdivisions well that's yeah my point is that it seems to be if if this is the table that is going to be used then it seems to be lacking in a couple of very important issues it's it's not attempting to re to provide you a rep a replication of or a full residential Capacity Analysis it's just attempting to provide you with some basic data uh that probably will be dated soon but some basic data about our residential lands and where's the residential Capacity Analysis in chapter 4 it is in chapter 4 did you bring that up is there a way we could bring that up well it's what's in chapter 4 is the meth is the methodology uh but the the data the data changes from yes and we we also are reflecting in here on page 17 um we are uh striking through what's currently there in the policy and then rewriting that to to reference back to that section in the future Lan element yeah there was a key yeah there was a there's a wait a minute chap oh I'm sorry you're that 17 one more next page yeah um to provide the consistency that you don't have two different so if you read this language right here it says uh as provided in section 4.2 A9 when the undeveloped residential acreage of the primary and secondary no longer accommodates well the language in chapter 4 says or MH primary or secondary it's two different things so instead of trying to rewrite this and replicate we we instead proposed a reference simply say as described in section 4.2 A9 so that you can go to 4.2 A9 and read it there okay and 4.2 A9 contains some of the same language that you see here that talks about uh no longer accommodating the projected population for the 15-year planning period and now we're looking at a five and 10e planning period rather than a 15E planning period is that correct no um we've had a we've had a for residential capacity we've had a 10 and 15 uh the state statute is is changing things and requiring us to have a minimum of a 10 and a 20 so um we'll be making we're at at this point uh looking at the possibility of 10 15 and 20 or 10 and 20 and change the 15 to 20 but that'll be coming forward to you with chapter 4 okay any other questions board members okay um don't have staff or anything like that staff any more Dad we recommend approval of the proposed changes in the attached documents all right chair I'll make a motion to approve okay recommend approval to for the County Commission and just for the record there's no public here for public comment well I saw one guy sitting there oh well he doesn't he doesn't count all right that's fine I was just you know saying Juan do you have anything to say our quiet man in the corner all right we have a motion I'll second all right all in favor I I'm a little concerned about it but we'll go for it is that an ie then yes okay I I'll pass all right um moving forward we are on now n ph-3 comprehensive plan Amendment 24-16 Arts culture and historic preservation a proposed text amendment to chapter 16 Arts culture and historic preservation element of the comprehensive growth management plan based on 2024 evaluation of the can I just say e a r and presenting is clad and Stephanie height I'm sorry problem say that 7h HDE okay got it okay again in this chapter a lot of it is just updating the data and the information um uh a study had been done in 2022 that obtained some more information about the Arts so uh the previous study was 2015 so um we updated the basically the narrative nothing in the the goals and and policies there um there's 25 new nonprofit um organizations that are participating I'm sorry I I I just laughed at 25 new nonprofits to join Arts and Cultural organizations that we added those in so they like to list those there so um and then statistics um as well from the study that we're putting in related to arts and culture and historic preservation uh we updated under existing conditions updated the number of historic properties that there are since the last update and then um also in 2019 there's an ordinance pass that renamed the public art site committee to the public art advisory committee and terminated the uh public art master plan and Five-Year Plan so that that's reflected in there to update what happened in in that ordinance and then just there was one policy that were relocating um to a more appropriate location and that is related to information on how um local history information is stored and kept I would add that the local Arts Council uh looked this over very carefully and actually gave us some of the language so um it's it's been vetted by the the Arts Council and and we do are on page three there was a typo that we received public comment on so the Martin Artisan's Guild oh yeah we're going to correct that there so that will be corrected and then we also worked on the CRA staff also helped with some of the things that they do because they do um look at some of these plans and monitor those okay gentlemen any comments from the board I'd move uh for staff's recommendation for approval second all right all in favor I again Elise says public comment from the only gentleman sitting there just feel free to run up get on in there no not today all right the record okay for the record get you on my toes Le I gotta all right here we go moving forward um I'm sorry all in favor and second yeah all in favor I I thank you Jim all right moving on to our next item is np-4 comprehensive plan Amendment 24-17 Public Schools facilities I propose amendment to chapter 17 Public Schools facilities of element of the comprehensive growth management plan Martin County Code based on 2024 e and we're again presented by Clyde and Miss Stephanie welcome thank you okay again very minor changes in this it's mostly the data updates so School enrollment um numbers have been um updated uh fiscal consideration section was updated with the current information on the district's Capital assets and long-term debt a policy was updated to um add language related to school con concurrency that is created by new development uh a couple policies updated to include the village of Indian town and then uh another policy to update to include the village of Indiantown and the Martin Metropolitan planning or organization and ongoing efforts for coordination of schools and bike paths to facilitate travel to and from schools into recreational facilities we also updated some maps in there uh for the locations of all the public schools um reflecting two new schools the Treasure Coast Classical Academy and the Indiantown high school we did work um very closely with the school district um they read everything they went through and they made their suggestions as well a comment um the the charter schools are not sort of bound by the concurrency rules in the same way as public schools are in terms of Transportation elements as well as streets and sidewalks and I think a really good example of that is Cove Road is there any policy perspective that this e can provide into how to manage that more effectively would you would probably put that under the transportation element um are you asking a question about this particular project they're well I mean this is this is what the where the point is I mean we're we're trying to evaluate the comp plan and how we can do a better job um and and we're not I mean because there are some issues with Charter Schools and and concurrency rules we can't apply the same rules as we could otherwise and I'm not sure whether we've gone any further in that um and whether that was part of the intention of the a uh I think you hit the nail on the head uh the state statute really controls what happens with Charter Schools much more so than the local regulations and um we are somewhat limited as to what we can put in our comprehensive plan as to uh control Charter Schools but but every effort has been made I guess what I'm saying is you know the the the idea of the AR as far as I can tell is to do a better job than what we had been doing and that's the reason we're updating it every seven years the ER is the process is to look at what what happened with legislation what's happened since that last update what do we need to update to make sure that our our plan is consistent with with State Legislature M and then also to address local issues so you're right in that way but um I don't know that we can mandate that the charter schools can do that I think part of just adding to that policy to include that the no's involved as well I think that's that's a step up to the policy um it it's at your pleasure do you would you like to suggest we add something like that in I I mean I think that requiring the no to be involved in the planning of sidewalks on streets as well as to and from Parks is probably a very important part to to a better e okay because I think it's going to become an even bigger problem as more Charter Schools come online we can discuss that with um I think it's of any just um to your point I mean really it's as any project comes before before us or in general it have to meet you know our regulations and you know traffic count all those types of things that's the only other way we can control that aspect of it here is NE not necessarily going to make that happen well I guess what my point is is that it used to be that that schools were regulated under concurrency rules and they're no longer it's something that the state has preempted our control over and so I think we need to do the best we possibly can no I don't disagree with that but I mean here is not the moment to do that um per se I mean if you've ever dealt with the school district they're their own entity um you can call them well I won't say it because we're on public record um being recorded at this time um so it it's a whole another entity um and what they can and can't do and outside of that jurisdiction is a whole another entity um but I understand what you're you're getting at um but I don't know that this implementing here is going to help our situation what you're getting at but I understand your comment I think that's the whole reason for doing an e is to do as good as we can yeah I don't I I get that it's beyond our control so that's what I'm yeah but if the state is preempted there's nothing I can do about it right that's where um yeah some that's what you're telling us right there are rules in state statute for for yeah that's construction of uh Charter Lo locally and Statewide but there if there's other language like Stephanie had mentioned um to preempt that or and revisit this then yes I'm not denying that I'm just putting my two cents in and I'm going to say the school board is just as unhappy as Jim is with the preemptions but we have to live with what we have to live with so there's no sense in trying to make something more than we can possibly do and make it more difficult for our staff and I will commend the county um the public school facility element is now an optional element but they do keep that in there to to ensure that planning is done you know and that you have everyone involved and that there are rules you know in place and some policies that you're following to make sure that that that it happens in a in a coordinated and organized way and there's no municipalities that had this element in there um some do some do not no no in on Martin County I I don't believe there is speak to that but yeah so members of the LPA I'd like to recognize Mark CEST uh who was a huge help in instrumental in helping to redraft this document and provide this updated information such as you see on the screen um this is a large part of this data uh came from the school district so they are the source and uh we thank them very much for their help on this thanks Mark and thanks for the rest of the school board as well are you ready to to bum rush up here I'll move approval of the of uh this plan Amendment a second all in favor I I I okay motion passes and we had public input on that he I think he nodded or something or I don't know I I invited him to just run up but he didn't all right public comment on the record none seeing all right moving on um all right without that further Ado um you want to say something members sure I'd love to the um Paul Schilling growth management director so we do have I I know at times there's some um some of my folks are are reaching out to you but we're we're we're at a heightened sense of having quorums now from now until actually um the the end of the year but more specifically the next few months um we have items on August 1 we have items on August 15th we have items on September 5th we have items on September 19th and we have items on October 8th so so it is of the utmost importance that we we follow we keep moving in that direction to ultimately get to the BCC and transmittals of these items in October 22nd is our Target date so I will not be in town on the SE on September 5th okay thank you I will not be on in town September 5th September 5th I know it's September 5th should I be out of town please be in town just where you call me when I get out of the hospital can you be at this meting to make or I will not do that again um I will be in town I will not be at the concert with Tom and Jim oh that's right a concert as well I'm just saying totally kidding um are we off the Record recording hi we adjourned come on now all right thanks Paul all right um what do we so August 1 is our next one August 1st yes okay I will not be at that concert as well I can be here um what was the next one 15th 15th yep U we'll be here as well um and then apparently September 5th is the place to be and I will apparently be here so and I don't have my calendar with me because my phone is charging in my truck Bob was one of those days he's not going to be at the concert either so we'll be here well I I sincerely appreciate the your um your efforts to to help us with these quorums do we put our vacation time early there's a we filled out apparently all right I apologize for my tardiness this evening and um without further Ado can we get a motion to adjourn move okay second all in favor here we go I