we are going to call this Workshop of the Martin County School Board to order if you would all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I PL to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under andice Miss Falls will you please call the role Mr deer Liz here Mrs Roberts here Mrs Powers here Mrs pitet here Mrs Russell here thank you okay at this time we will have open to the public citizen input is vital to the Improvement of our district most times your remarks may be listened to without comment from the board members or superintendent this does not mean that they are heard with any less intensity or concern where appropriate the superintendent and staff will investigate your comments and report back to you and the board with an answer we thank you for taking the time and having the concern to make our district better your presentation to the board should not exceed three minutes first April Sherwood thank you good afternoon members of the school board my name is April Sherwood and I've been teaching for 16 years I'm currently in my third year at Willoughby Learning Center in Martin County School District my previous years of service were in St Lucy County I'm here to speak on behalf of myself and my fellow teachers I would like to address teacher salary I am proud to be a teacher and I have been working diligently to obtain an Administration administrative position so that I can serve our students in another capacity when I left St Lucy County Public Schools I lost approximately $10,000 so I want to point out that as a veteran teacher Not only was it difficult to give that up but it was difficult to accept that with all the experience I possess my pay is hardly more than a new teacher fresh out of college at only $1,500 more I came in with a master's degree in educational leadership which I am compensated for however the compensation I receive in Martin County is $600 less than St Lucy County I love teaching and I can't imagine myself in any other profession however I am subject to financial hardship due to a recent divorce and returning to a single- inome household I have been working a second job part-time since June of 2020 to make ends meet my goal someday is to buy a house instead of continuing to pay rent for a place that will never truly be mine due to our meager pay in the housing market I may never accomplish that goal I also find that everyday purchases are getting more expensive but my salary is not increasing to keep up with these increases I possess a second master's degree and I could easily find a position with that degree making more money than I am now and one summer I actually found a position that paid more than I make as a teacher but my heart is with education so I left that position after 6 weeks and immediately returned to education my question for you is why do you work so hard to obtain new teachers by offering bonus pay and you ignore the veteran teachers who return year after year because they truly love what they do since I've been at Willoughby Learning Center I have seen a lot of employee turnover I understand it takes a special person to work in education however we need to turn our attention to retaining the amazing talent that we already possess before we lose it to other school districts or other professions thank you thank you next up Liz rockage good afternoon um my name is Liz rockage I teach at Spectrum Academy I've been teaching for over 30 years and I was recruited back in 2017 to come to Martin County um after teaching for 20 years in uh Cincinnati Ohio um I did a lot of research at the time and this was a pretty comparable area to where I was and I was really excited to come here and uproot my then Middle School daughter and come here and start a new life um it felt like it was going to be a lateral move and um beautiful area great school systems all the good things um but almost nothing that I earned in Ohio when I moved here was honored by this school district um I would like to share a few points that I think are really important for Teacher retention um at my prior District we no matter whether you were hourly Sal salary whatever everybody earned one and a quarter hours um sick pay per month or sick time per month um when I moved here I had 74.5 sick days and I got nothing for that because I was told I came from another state not Florida too bad so all that time I didn't even get a couple of days um I was also they were I my 20 years of teaching experience was honored but none of the sick time was carried over um I was also told having a master's degree that I would earn a bonus for that except my degree is in secondary education not in English which is what my bachelors is was in so I got nothing for that um my wages at my prior school I made almost $90,000 um the last five months that I worked there I actually made more money than I currently make after teaching here for seven years um I spoke with a former student and my former School District never had a problem finding people to fill jobs because it was a it much like Martin County was the place to be nobody ever left because of pay and unfortunately in the seven years I've been here I've lost a lot of good friends and qualified colleagues because there's better pay at fvs there's better pay in Palm Beach County um I think it's really important that as April just said veteran teachers and people coming from other places those kinds of things matter to us and to keep us we need to consider those things going forward thank you for your time thank you Rhonda oxman good afternoon my name is Ronda oxman and I teach at Riverbend Academy I am a second-year teacher leaving the business world after the huge call out for new teachers um after covid um and while I love spending all of my time in the classroom and truly enjoy my children I still required to work a second job to continue living here in Martin County my rent is $1,950 a month by the time I add my electric my water bill and my internet it takes me three weeks of pay to just cover those that does not include any money that I need to put into my own classroom to provide things for my students that they just naturally need it's a frustrating thing coming from the business world to watch our school district be topheavy it's a frustrating thing to watch the argument over small amounts of money to go to the schools to cover in school field trips or to feel like you have to fund raise for volunteer appreciation there's just not enough funds um and it starts with the teachers it starts with us um I get courted regularly from Palm Beach County because when I first became a teacher I applied in both counties I get messages from principles asking me for interviews and offering to help me terminate my contract mid year those are realities that I can go south 20 more minutes from where I'm already driving and make 10,000 more and have a smaller area to work in versus a school district and a and a district office that doesn't feel supportive that doesn't feel like part of my team I'm very blessed at Riverbend very blessed we are a small school our administrative team is fantastic in support but if it stops there what's the incentive to stay thank you thank you Amy Martin good afternoon thank you for having me I'm um going to speak momentarily about um the current I think there's a current concern over the swimming pool at Mark County High School um and I wanted to bring it to the attention of everyone that one of the biggest things that I feel is most important um is the ability for it to reach the in community um this pool has been here since 1978 and it currently is serving quite a few um programs however it has had the history of all the programs of the city and the community because it was the only pool in town now we're serving quite a few people but we could serve more with these upgrades it would help um Le at some of the concerns that some of the programs are going over to Sailfish Splash because they're now hitting their Peak and their maximum amount of space that they have um one of the best benefits of this facility is the what I feel the safety net that it gives some of these youngsters that are at the high school um that may not have anywhere else to go after school they have a pool to walk over to be a part of a community be a part of of a sport um learn something very valuable and have a feeling of being safe and the ability to learn a sport and be a part of a program um the biggest reason I think this the biggest thing that needs to happen is the overall management of the program and the facilities need to be completely on point um there needs to be daily housekeeping of the locker rooms deck classrooms and office the water pool uh chemicals to be checked daily three times a day at minimum um with all this work to be done you have to maintain it in the proper manner um I just wanted to bring it out to the attention of everyone that everyone needs to be on point CPO lifeguard trained um and the right person in the position um again I feel like this pool has been there almost 30 40 50 years um and I think we have much more to serve um in the community so I hope that you'll consider the um project that is ahead of you um to in order to keep the pool open all right thank you thank you next up Chad Fair good afternoon this is afternoon good afternoon uh thank you for the opportunity this is not going to come as a surprise but I'm here to speak in favor of the teachers and support for the teachers um I'm blessed to have two daughters at Citrus Grove Elementary with two amazing teachers um the work that they put in the dedication that they put in and the love that they show to the students at that school is off the charge fantastic and then I go to the negotiating sessions and it's like lobbying grenades um and we come to these things and you say wow our teachers are great our teachers are fantastic we have the best teachers but then we treat them like that at the negotiating table and there's a disconnect there that has reverberations throughout the school district through retention through morale and things like that and I can only I can only praise the teachers of my kids so much before it becomes a simple dollars and cents issue um I also hear stories of teachers being corded to go to other districts and make more money for not as much of a drive and I know there's economics I've sat through the through negotiating sessions and and all of that stuff the reality is we come to these meetings and we talk about character counting and we talk about this idea of teamwork that needs to be shown to our teachers and not just in a pep rally not just in you know all those other fluffy type things the reality it's expensive to live in Martin County it just is affordable housing in Martin County used to be for well those people who you know who are just kind of bagging groceries or those people who you know are are doing those menial jobs these are our teachers like the teachers that are educating our students and educating our students for success but we don't pay them that way one of the things that the pandemic kind of brought about was this um really looking at what it means um to be an essential employee and an essential worker oh well essential employees well it wasn't the CEOs and no offense Dr M or Mr M is not the administrators it was it was those it was those first level that first line of defense you know the teachers it was the nurses it was that first line of defense and yet when we take that to the school district level are we really supporting our teachers and giving them not just the support that they need from a from a pat on the back but allowing them to live in our community and engage in our community and and love on our students each and every day and sitting to those negotiation sessions man it just doesn't feel like it and I don't know if we can change the tenor of what that looks like but just that alone would make a huge difference where it's not so adversarial thank you all so much thank you that concludes public comment we will be moving on to the district presentation on insurance Mr Calderone would you please uh present the update okay good afternoon Madam chair members of the board superintendent Maine Don Calderone director over us management employee benefits um alongside me is Dustin Keane Senior Benefits consultant with the Garen group um we are here today to give you an update um based on our board uh Workshop presentation that we had last month on January 9th okay so just a reminder um we were here last month on January 9th and we reviewed the initial offers for the medical dental and employee assistance program those are the three lines of coverage that are up for renewal on uh July 1st 2024 um the insurance committee uh met yesterday um we did not have a quorum um due to various reasons we had a small um uh turnout for the insurance committee but um we did present um the majority of the information to the insurance committee yesterday and um after Dustin goes over the updated plan design options we'll give you the um consensus of the uh Insurance committee based on the conversation that was had yesterday um we have another Insurance committee recommend uh Insurance committee meeting scheduled for March 18th followed by the next day on March 19th for the uh March board meeting where we will present the final recommendation the board will vote um accordingly um for the renewal um Insurance lines for July 1st and then our uh open enrollment um has been set for April 22nd through April 30th with the July 1st um launch date for our lines of coverage so just to kind of um as a reminder um our T Target loss ratio um for medical claims in order to have a flat renewal is about a 75% um since we last met we received the December 2023 claims and um that loss ratio was at 124% bringing the rolling 12 months loss ratio up to a 96% which was 4% higher than um the last information we presented to you um the HMO um plan uh was hit particularly hard in the month of December it was our highest loss ratio for that line of coverage in a year and a half um and in addition to that we had four new high claimants um that came on to the plan for our tracker um just as a reminder our reinsurance level is $300,000 and we start tracking High claimants at $150,000 so we had four new claims um reached that amount in December um the January 2024 claims uh should be um completed by mid-February and then also by mid-march we should have February claims as well so we we have about two more months of claims that we are awaiting hopefully they are favorable so again just just a reminder um the action items that the board had requested um after the January 9th board Workshop we have listed here we are prepared to go over all that with you today so obviously um you directed staff and the Garing group to further negotiate with Florida Blue um you had requested some additional plan design Al Alternatives including uh deeper po plan design changes um trying to limit the impact to the HMO in high deductible Health Plans um looking at increasing the uh prescription deductible and can the district move out of network uh prescription benefits um also there's some other um questions that you had asked and we have that information for you for informational purposes and for for you to um use for your decision-making over the next month or so um and those um are going to appear as appendices to this presentation um so one of the questions you had to asked was how many employees are U enrolled under that grandfather um employee plus family prior to 72020 plan um and what are those subsidies that's a um a motion the board um makes separately um each March um you had asked about um budgeting continuing to budget for the health savings account for those active employees that are enrolled in the high deductible Health Plan and um you also instructed uh the Garen group to go out and take a look at obtaining some other EAP vendor quotes um the initial quote for siga for Renewal came back at about a 10% um initial offer which was um which would lead to about a $4,000 a year insurance premium increase um so we have information on all that U just real quickly I just wanted to just um kind of remind the board that um when we renewed with Florida Blue last year um we did also have that Florida Blue PR share agreement which allows the district and the board to receive 100% of any Sur plus um refunds that could come back to the school district for the board and for to pass on to um hope our employees if you so wish um so the way that works is um let's say we were having a good uh claim year with about a 70% loss ratio just using round numbers right here um our premium was about $20 million so the first order um that the the money goes towards is the claims experience so at 70% loss r IO that equals about $14 million in claims Florida Blue pays those claims at about $14 million and then 4.94% built into that contract it goes to pooling fees so pooling fees like I said earlier are your reinsurance cost at $300,000 um that is about $988,000 and then it pays towards administrative fees the fees that Florida Blue charges to administer the plan um that would be about $2.3 million in this scenario so under this scenario here that would um lead to about a $2.6 million surplus and under our pero share agreement the the school district the board receives that $2.6 million at 100% And and in years past when we've had um positive years with claims the board has received um money back and that proch share agreement um can I ask a quick question yes M um so you mentioned 75% as our loss ratio how many years have we ever had a 75% loss ratio I I mean not very often so I think it's an unattainable Target so basically you're telling us every year we're going to have a rate increase because of it but we haven't had a rate increase every year no we we have not had a rate increase every single year there's there's different factors I was just using the 70% um as an example 75% Target loss ratio that's listed right to not have a rate increase right so so with that number we would never not have a rate increase yeah correct yeah so so 75% is more just an industry Target obviously the lower the better um 80 it's not to say that 80 85% we couldn't negotiate to to achieve a 0% which is what we've done in the past 75% is just that industry Target loss ratio right it just seems untain It's from our history 75% we know is not probably not attainable you have hit it in the past and and it really is a metric of Premium setting the premium correctly to to anticipate claims so you know we've negotiated done a really good job of the past few years where your premium is a little bit lower than where claims are so right now it might look like that but it's not to say in the future so you're saying if we raise premium our loss ratio go down because collecting yeah Y and as medical inflation takes over which is about 10 to 12% a year industry standard right claims keep going up which is effectively why premium goes up as well right thank you so if you're asking for a more realistic example this is it um at a 96% loss ratio um you know that $19.2 million goes towards paying the claims you got the pooling fee of $988,000 so you're at a deficit of about $188,000 before um Florida blue would would pay themselves the administrative fee so in this scenario obviously there's there's no Surplus um but just to go back to answer your question Mr powers and yes in years we we haven't hit that 75% we've come in at maybe an 88 or an 87 90 um and maybe tinkered a little bit with the plans but the board has received um money back from Florida Blue in previous proch share agreements um so just throwing that out there okay so I'm gonna hand it off to Dustin um we have four additional plan design options that are labeled 6 through n options 1 through five or the same five that we reviewed with you all um last month um so I'm going to let Dustin take over and explain options six through nine that I thought it' be a good segue into what the conversation was at the insurance committee and where they're kind of thinking right now um as of February all right thank you um so if we go into the options um kind of take a step back so with the updated claims experience we were hoping you know claims were to become more more favorable and go down um December was a very very high month and it actually brought up your rolling 12 months of claims loss ratio up 4% as Don mentioned um so with that the renewal calculations calling for about a 25% increase but luckily um last year during the RFP as you remember Florida Blue reduced your premium 6% last year but they also guaranteed a rate cap this year of 10.9% so the good news is um we are capped at that 10.9% bad news is we wen't able to drop that offer from their initial offer so with options one through five which we brought at the January board Workshop they are the same um options plan designs and rates that we showed at the previous meeting so I'm going to concentrate more on the new options per the board's um comments um option one again is no plan changes at the 10.9% % increase option two includes uh PL design changes to the HMO and the PO at a 99.3% increase option three leaves the HMO where it's at and changes the plan on the PO High deductible at an 8.9% increase option four uh keeps minor changes to the HMO and larger changes to the PO bringing the increase down to 8.4 % and then option five uh introduces some plan changes to the HMO po High deductible which brings the premium down to a 6.9% increase so with the new options we'll start at Option six um we are looking at no change to the HMO as well as the high deductible and this is some of the feedback that we received from you all as well as your as well as the insurance committee meeting since a majority of your enrollment sits in that HMO uh we got a lot of feedback to less uh changes possible is preferred so you'll see the PO only has changes here in red um it increases deductible to 4500 single um 13,000 family and then on the out of pocket maximum it increases U that from 6,500 to 7500 and 13,000 family to 15,000 um in addition you'll see some prescription changes um you'll see the RX deductible goes from 300 to 500 and then you also see some co-pays go up in red from 10 to 15 and then the corresponding tiers this brings the premium down to 99.1% um again just changing the the PO if we go down to option number seven this looks at kind of the same concept not changing HML or high deductible but increases the plan design change even more on that po plan um and kind of reiterate on the claim side your PO claims have been the highest loss ratio over the past several years so that's where your highest claims are are sitting in respect to premium so the concept of changing the plane design there it's spreads the increase or the decrease over the other two plans um so this increases the PO a little bit more and this drops the premium down to 88.3% option eight um this looks at introducing slight changes to the HMO um slight increase to the deductible of $250 increase for the HMO and on the out of pocket max increases the out of pocket $250 and then changes the specialty co-pay to 70 as well as the Urgent Care co-pay um we kept the same po changes that we just went over in the last option for the PO and this drops your increase down to 7 7% and then lastly um this option option number nine which is similar to option five it looks at changes to all plans um just as again a kind of a metric a range of where where your premium can come in at changing all plans HMO po High deductible um this gets your premium down to 5.9% um and then at the bottom in the blue just to reiterate this is what the per paycheck cost would be to your employees assuming the $6500 board contribution so having having said all that um the insurance committee did um take a look at all nine options and we had um had some healthy discussion and the consensus right now heading into March is that the two options that they are most interested in continuing to explore is option number three and option number seven um and you'll see why because if if you take a look at option number three the bulk of our enrollment is in that HMO plan um the committee is um really prioritizing not making any changes to the the HMO plan um option three does have those larger plan design changes to the PO and some changes to the high deductible health plan as well um and then the second plan that they're primarily looking at right now um for a possible recommendation next month is option number seven and option number seven keeps the HMO plan design the changes the same uh no plan design changes keeps the plan design exactly the same and also keeps the plan designed the same as well for the high deductible Health Plan um and I believe the reason being for that is that we're seeing new enrollment in that high deductible Health Plan um as well as the HMO um and those really are the two main plans that we're seeing new enrollment in um the PPO um under option seven does have very large um changes um but the the committee kind of felt that the way that the um loss ratio had been running that it was time to um take a look at making some plan design changes to the PO um they're also um interested in exploring um the option of freezing new enrollment into the PO and that new employees entering the district um being hired after July 1st 2024 would have the option to enroll in the HMO 47 and the high deductible Health Plan um and there was also um some discussion at yesterday's Insurance committee um to uh possibly um um Engage The Board in having the exploration of um engaging in clinic services to possibly have a a clinic where employees and their covered dependents as well as retirees may be able to uh receive care um at a at a clinic that is specific to Martin County School District um enroles um the the insurance committee was not really interested in options 2 4 five and 8 um and that's kind of where the discussion was based on the plan designs so open for conversation based on what we've just presented for the medical plan designs Miss Powers I just wondered uh how does how does what we're offering cost-wise and benefit wise stack up against St Lucy and Palm Beach do we know how we how those compare yeah and and at the last meeting we actually provided a a benchmark of Indian River St Lucy Palm Beach um happy I don't have that in front of me now but I can say high level your plan designs and the cost that employees pay are at the top percentile meaning most competitive out of the uh entities that we benchmarked I'm looking more at like out- of pocket expenses I know isn't St Lucy only has the high deductible Health Plan correct so as far as out of expenses for the employee is our as ours higher is it lower is it much lower okay yeah we we actually have that as an appendix from January 9th board Workshop um so we can pull that up here um additionally I I think kind of what we kind of figured for um moving forward and for the March Insurance committee meeting but then also during our open rollment is comparing um our competitors what they offer in terms of the plan design out of pocket for you know your top four five costs um comparing that um as well for educational purposes but then also um for um the renewal recommendation as well and so can you give us the rationale for why um so wanting to explore option three and seven um what was the insurance committee's reasoning for I look at option three and raising you know making plan design changes to the high deductible health plan as opposed to it would seem that we want to encourage people which is why we did the $1,000 contribution that we want to encourage people to go into the high deductible Health Plan I think it does come with experience when you learn actually what your expenses are um the high deductible Health Plan is you know can be a really good option I know it takes a little bit of um time to figure it out but I'm just curious why we would want to kind of make that less interesting to our employees and yeah I I can't really speak on behalf of why they picked option three over over seven I mean I could tell you that um three and seven are the two that they're they're honing in on um I think we were really happy to receive the option seven from from the carrier um because option seven does keep the HMO plan design the change uh this no design changes to the HMO 47 and then also no plan design changes to the high deductible as well so I can't really they're focusing primarily on not having the employee and their cover dependent spend more once they get to the doctor under um the HMO um but yeah option seven um does keep the plan design for the height deductible the same can't really answer that question we we didn't we didn't have due to the professional development day some people taking time off that we didn't have a full quarum we didn't we had representative from all of the um unions and our bargaining um but we're hopeful that all of our insurance committee members will be there at the March 18th Insurance committee meeting so we could have a little bit more of a healthier discussion but three and seven was what they were honing in on okay I'm interested in pursuing seven and I'm also interested in the um capping enrollment in the in the PO the 117 plan um those are my comments so far anyone else Miss Roberts so um can you get us a number 10 and can number 10 be number seven which is the Deep deep cuts to the PO and then the the plan changes for the high deductible that you see in three so it's similar to three but instead of using the but adding in the deeper cuts to the PO does that make sense to you because what I'm seeing is I'm seeing that at a to get a high deductible at no cost you need like to be hitting at a 5.9% overall increase it's 71 cents per pay period at 6.9 you're showing me what it looks like at 8.9 and 8.3 and I'm just wondering if I combine seven and three um how much lower I get from the 8.3% I mean I know it will be less than 8.3 but I don't know how much lower does that make yeah thank you anyone else okay okay I have a I have a little bit more for you good okay so Miss Roberts you're do you want them to bring back in option 10 yes yes and you're continuing on with your discussion for the other things that we were yes ma' correct yes okay and I also am interested in um stopping the enrollment in the P sure yeah ultimately that's that's the board's decision so you got you got it I I just since we can't Converse about it unless we're sitting here with everybody I'm sharing with my colleagues that that's the way I feel about it colleagues thank you thank you Direction noted um okay so the next slide up here um is the current grandfather family enrollment as you may recall um each of the Springs the board um decides on the U additional subsidy that they put towards those employees that were enrolled in the employee plus family coverage prior to 71220 um we have those options listed for you um in the appendices for all nine options all the way in the back there um so what we will do is We'll add option number 10 for March um and that's typically a separate motion that the board uh makes so that's just for your budget planning purposes thank you go ahead Mrs Roberts so um is it fair to say that if you left the subsidy that you're showing on page 16 if you left if you capped the subsidy at the 323 and you passed on any increase from any plan that the increase they would see is the increase you know what I'm saying the increase so for instance if you were at um let's see the best way to explain this if I'm looking at alternative eight option eight right and at the HMO um employee and family right my HMO employee and family would go from from 51804 to 582 correct correct and so that increase that close to $60 something doll increase if I passed the 60-some dollar increase on to the people who I were the grandfathered Families my cap would stay the same at the 323 and perhaps go down if any of the people on that in the grandfathered group were no longer with us I mean retired or something I didn't mean like no longer with us that way is that correct I mean does that do you understand what I'm saying yeah we'd have to run the numbers to see if your assumption is right um because if I've bought that much Insurance to get them to where they are at my current rate right so if my current rate is 200 a pay period for example if my current rate is 200 a pay period and and this subsidy is paying for me as a grandfathered person if I pay the increase from my 200 say to 250 right that then the if I kept the subsidy the same that's what I would be paying I would have the same increase so assume that Mike isn't on the subsidy I'm on the subsidy I'm a grandfather you're not a grandfather or vice versa but if we're both in the same plan and we both see in the plan design the plan change is going to make the per payroll piece go up $20 that if he pays the increase in $20 and I pay the increase in $20 even though I'm grandfathered as long as I've capped that that the 320 323,000 that's what I would see is that correct that's what I mean not quite following you I'll be honest I I I I think what you may be explaining and I'm sorry if I'm not following but are you trying to S see how much $323,000 can buy you in subsidies for the 24 25 year yes so if I kept the subsidy number the same right does that mean that whatever the increases are for anybody who's not on a subsidy is the same increase that my grandfathered people would see yes that's exactly what I mean Don okay I don't think either one of us can answer that question right now but I think what we'll do is for March we'll come back and we'll use the 323 678 as the budget for the subsidies and we'll show you how much that can buy down is that fair right because I think think that's what it will show I think it'll show that whatever any increase of a non-s subsidy person has is the same increase as what I would have because if mine is my policy is being paid by these two parts this one being the subsidy this one not being the subsidy I'm still paying the same amount as what he's paying my two pieces are paying the same amount as what he is so now if I add this piece as my increase he adds this piece as his increase Y and we both just have the same increase as as long as my subsidies stay the same I believe your assumption is correct yeah I'm following you now okay thank you we'll verify that after this the markers help yeah I know yeah thanks okay so um slide number 17 um I believe it's going to be the same slide that we showed last year but um typically with the subsidy um decision the board makes as well um for the contribution towards the health savings account under the high deductible health plan so uh again you have several options starting from 250 all the way up to a thousand the Thousand is what we've had the last two years um and it would be our recommendation from staff to just um fund that ,000 on day one when the employee is enrolled in that plan and that way they've got the, um for to to start with um and then lastly on page 18 um you had directed staff and the Garing group to go out and receive some additional um quotes for the EAP um we could go into as much detail as you want on it but um siga ever ever North is our current EAP provider they um they Garen group went back to them negotiated and they brought their initial uh renewal from a 10.26 down to a 5.13 which is about a $2,000 increase in board contribution total for the 2425 year um and then there's other um quotes that they received um Garing worked with Etna cural link ESI and headspace so headspace also offers a separate EAP package this is completely different than the mental health care program that was launched on February 12th yesterday um and that was a separate increase on that so we were happy with uh sigar coming down half um we're able to discuss anything on the EAP that you would wish anyone have any questions you have anything further that's all we have unless there's any other questions about anything else okay sorry thank you thank you we appreciate it next uh we will begin our budget Workshop presentation Mr Morrison the floor is yours I'm sorry while he's coming forward can I ask them one more thing um at the next time you come can you give us information um to bring the board up to speed on what that looks like what clinics look like not today while Carter is doing this but next time if we could all get something back definitely you want just a kind of a overall General um education timing cost what implications are that absolutely yeah savings yeah Pros cons thank you good afternoon Madam chair superintendent members of the board board Community um today is budget Workshop number one which is the first in the series of several budget workshops that we'll be having as we work our way through the legislative session and craft a 24 20242 budget for board approval tentatively in July and the final budget as is customary under the trim laws in September of this year so today um on your agenda you should have a copy of the presentation electronically available to you um we'll be looking at the budget cycle where we currently are look at um a comparison of the house versus Senate proposals at this point an update on the K12 Public School enrollment and our FTE we'll talk a little bit about the the millage referendum renewal update on our ARP um plan and some the funding and some of the positions that are funded in that program a potential refunding opportunity that has presented itself t a little bit about impact fees and hopefully some dialogue with the school board so currently um if you follow the red arrow there um we are currently in the process of um putting together our FTE projections to submit to the state for the next fiscal year as you know that the legislative session is also underway so once we do that um again we'll be conducting our U budget review meetings with our with our department leaders to for them to put in their requests for next year as I mentioned the 2425 legislative session is underway it is slated to end on March the 8th of 2024 um the bate the last update we received from Greg black indicated that both chambers of course have produced their budgets they're just kind of waiting on con conference appointees the Senate has produced its budget at Senate Bill 2500 and House Bill 5001 is The house's version of the um budget for next year the ffp budget on your screen you have a comparison of the house versus Senate Bill overall un unweighted FTE Statewide is about a 4% increase on average for next year uh when you look at the base funding in particular you will see that that's gone up about $1.2 billion included however in that base funding just want to remind everybody is that uh we have the TSA the teacher salary increase included in there we also have the um instructional materials reading allocation teacher lead categoricals that were previously eliminated um in the previous year by the legislature that is now included in the base funding that we have to deduct from that when you look at the um comparison of the house versus Senate um the educational en enrichment allocation on the um house side is $73 million in comparison to 32 at the Senate side the ESC guaranteed allocation is $100 million increase over on the the house side versus the 7 79.2 on the Senate side the Senate increases both the mental health assistance and the safe schools allocation by 20 and $40 million respectively held essentially the flat funding in the in the house student transportation goes up by 22 million on the house side versus 20 point roughly 21 on the Senate side and the 748 mil Mills discretionary compression 14.6 14.2 excuse me 14.6 on the Senate and 14.2 on the house side on this second page if you cast your eyes down to the very um line that says total dollars per unweighted FTE currently has up the third calculation which is the October count of students um last October of last year count of students um total funds per unweighted FTE was 8,718 58 in comparison to what the Senate is proposing you would see an increase of $28.40 versus the house of $217 53 per unrated FTE now in next month we can come back when we come back we'll be showing you the proportionate share um that Martin County School District would receive as a percentage of the Statewide budget but right now um the house we're pretty much waiting on the House and Senate to get to conference and produce what we call the conference report which is the final calculation final uh result result of the negotiations between both Chambers moving on to our um FTE um in preparing the calculations for the next year's FTE I wanted to share with you some trending graphs that the Department of Education has in their database these are some screenshots on the graph on your up on your on the graph on your upper left hand side it shows a total FTE for Martin County as you can see um from 1819 we dipped to 20 20 20 2021 which of course that was the year that covid hit nobody really all of our students were um Statewide were sort of um missing if I can use that word until we rebounded you can see the dotted line at the top of that graph includes the forast um the total FTE keep in mind that vouchers are also or scholarships are included in that total FTE number and we'll get into the breakdown on further slides um on the next slide which is below that on the on the one of the green line trending down you can see traditional Public School FTE is decreasing and you can see that the forecast model pretty much levels it off or kind of has um a flat flat projection go on next to that next to that with the purple line is kindergarten entrance minus the prior year so we're looking at K the incoming kindergarten again in 2021 you see that large dip due to covid um it rebounds but it's still leveled off at AG -14 and then finally to your extreme right that green chart that green line is for charter schools that shows that the charter school historically has grown and is forecasted to grow as you you see at the the top uh that green line with the the dotted Edge on it so when you look at a summary of the sector growth and what I mean by sector is traditional charter schools and scholarships at the very top you can see the green line which is um your charter schools at 14846 you can see your um explosion if you would on the orange line of your um scholarships and then a flattening of your traditional public schools at the 16,1 146 from a charting perspective this is what it looks like so we've been tracking this um through the different surveys in February and October for of each year we we count our students twice and year-over-year from February of 2023 in the traditional public school um we went from 16502 to 16146 which is 355.82 FTE or about a 2% decline overall when you look at if you if one were to just look at the numbers and say well in February of 2021 you had 18,572 79 in October of 23 You' have thought that we've grown but when you stratify it into traditional Charters and scholarships you can see the explosive GR growth of the of the scholarships um charter schools actually lost a little bit of FTE this year um at 11 but the Major Impact was um at the traditional um Public Schools breaking it down further into Elementary Middle High and special centers you can see that year-over year when you look at Elementary in February of 2023 3 we're at 6862 at Elementary in October our count was 6867 essentially um flat at 5.13 overall with your largest increase occurred at Warfield as you know we moved um the fifth grade from Indian toown back to Warfield keep that 75.8 number in your mind because when we get to middle school I'd like to show you what's what's happening there your largest loss was at um p elementary school when you look at Middle School look at Indiantown middle which lost 155.34 we only got back um 75 so that's roughly about 80 or so students that did not transition over so to speak at Middle School overall the 187.5 a down year over-year in terms of February to 2020 February of 2023 to October of 2023 which is about a 4.6% decrease with the largest growth happening at Hidden Oaks Middle School and your largest loss as we discussed at Indian toown middle school when you look at high school high school is about down about 85.5 um from February of 23 to October of 23 which is about a 1.6% decrease with the largest decrease coming up Martin County High School which is about a 6.7% decrease in your FTE special centers um largest year-over-year growth occurred roughly at um Willoughby which is about 5.26 and your largest loss was at in terms of FTE was at Riverbend Academy when you look at your chart schools the Indiantown high school was the largest growth at 41.561796 [Music] year over-year growth is about 6.5 we didn't n the negative and the positive together but overall down by 11 students primarily through um tcca actually when you look at um scholarships from a graphical perspective the top orange line was the old McKay Gardener scholarships that were eliminated in favor of the um FES or scholarships and you can see the significant growth on the green line going up to almost over10 million in terms of um funding for um scholarships just a quick note for the scholarships although it's included in our FTE that we report to the state that we do not see any of that money that's pretty much have passed through through our budget because they included in our FTE included in our budget as part as the state Statewide ffp so Carter of the scholarship students the total do we know how many were public school students and then how many were already in private school that have now applied for the scholarship excellent question um we actually have not received any guidance from the doe uh regarding that we know that there was 350 million set aside um in a special pool for the impact of scholarships that happened that the impact of scholarships on the traditional Public School however part of the challenges that we are facing is when a student withdraws they may put on their uh withdrawal code that I'm going to homeschool but eventually end up go taking a voucher so we may show them as being withdrawn to H school where ultimately they ended up may having taken a voucher so some of those are those some of the Challen those are some of the challenges that we're we're looking at uh we looked at the ffp report I think was yesterday and we noticed that pretty much no um School District had reported I think there was only three maybe that had reported dollars in that category so we'll reach out to the doe to get further guidance on how we can possibly recapture some of those lost dollars um Marcia if you look at page nine oh well page nine shows the February October FTE from February of 2021 and it shows a growth in traditional Charters and scholarships from 18,0 57 to 19 ,05 but if you subtract out the scholarships from that and you just look at the growth for traditional and charart like you just look at the traditional and charter number the traditional and charter number is at 17852 17950 17995 18,4 17998 and 17631 so it's still within that same window you know so so it what that is saying to me is that the scholarship ones the people that are going to scholarships isn't significantly coming out of the charter or traditional because that slot is staying the same so our FTE loss is because of we're looking at the charter number somewhat changing but that just on page nine thank you Switching gears for a moment um um we're going to discuss um and provide an update on the millage referendum um as you are aware um on in 2022 in August the voters approved the millage referendum for another four years uh the language that is was placed on the ballot which is highlighted on the um on the slide says that um we can Levy up to um 1 half million adalum tax increase for operating expenses as authorized in 10171 subsection 9 Florida Statutes um the dollar the one of the reasons that we are having this before you this afternoon is a desire to bring this to the voters in order to make sure that we can collect These funds in 2026 and not skip a year in our collection cycle as you are aware the legislature changed the statute where we can only put a referendum on a general election so of course we have a general election this year and it's literally every four years so now we're looking at 2024 with an approval for another four years consequent to that on slide 17 we've put together a proor um estimate of cost we're using the tax role that is in embedded in the governor's calculation for the ffp and also um the Senate and the house looking at the tax roll number which does show about a$ 1.4 billion increase so looking at the tax roll increasing looking at our cost and exactly what we think at this point that we will need to cover those costs we we are proposing that the millage as authorized instead of doing a hard point five that we drop that millage by a tenth to about 04 however we would like the opportunity to come back next month to give you a much more solid number because at that point we will have better numbers regarding the F FRS in particular and some impacting impacts of Staffing changes when we did this um presentation last week there was talk about potentially the state asking um the employer side of the F FRS to pick up another percentage increase so that would significantly impact the numbers my understanding is that might still not be in play so we need just some more time to solidify the numbers coming forward for this Miss Roberts Roberts so um thank you for this regard and I think that from the information that you're telling us that as we get further in the budget process that page 17 is the important page to see if we're going to land at a number for this upcoming tax roll that will be less than the 05 but I think that as far as the board's concerned if your intent is to continue with the language that says up to half a percent and to continue collecting and to not skip a November 2 six tax collection that we need to put it on the 2024 ballot we need an action item um this agenda is pretty much closed but if we had an action item in March that was at doing the thing the process that we have to do to request that the county you the resolution request the County Commission to put it on the ballot Etc that then we have that language in play and we're moving forward to get it to the November ballot because if we don't vote on it in November of 2024 if we wait and voted on it in November of 26 there is no way we can collect on the November 26 tax bill and that will and I think we need to get the timeline from the county as well to get it on their agenda go ahead and get it on their agenda because we also need time to um educate the public on what this means and you know how we've been kind of spending how we have been spending the dollars that they approved and how we intend to spend the dollars that um the cycle so right yeah and I think it and I think it's a good time at that at the same time that we're doing that um we realize that we have just under two years more of collection of the sales tax so I think um and and what I would like to see my personal preference is at each of the school sites where we're using the sales tax is to do some kind of countdown calendar for like the last TW you know thank you very much you've got this many more months that we're collecting sales tax and then we're done this many more and then we're done you know that type of thing so that people can see that it was very purposeful that we collected for seven years we did what we said we were going to do for the seven years and after the seven years that's going away but I think the education piece as to the people who remembered that we did the 22 ballot and we did the 22 ballot at the primary to authorize a collection in 22 were different different than most everybody else most everybody else was authorizing to collect the following year so we're a little bit off cycled but we can certainly put it on the ballot in 24 to say that we want to do a collection in November of 26 27 28 29 then we're back to the cycle that everybody else is using and we're back to a four-year cycle yeah and I would honestly be interested in just going ahead in in adding an action item regarding the sales tax as well I think that yeah you know we I I agree with you we were very intentional we did it for seven years to build two new schools um we were successful and now we need to just decide as a board that we're not going to ask the voters for an additional sales tax I don't think that there's a need um so I think we need to go ahead and take action on that if we can do that on the um March agenda at the March meeting and have two action items one for the mill with the resolution and then another one with the um sales tax that would be helpful thank you thank you yes go ahead at at the board of County Commission meeting on the 20th they're going to discuss a tax Martin forever which is another tax that would be on the ballot in the November election so I think we need need to do really hard work to make sure that the public understands what we're doing with that money as opposed to I don't want them to get confused and I think it will be confusing so we need to do some good public relations so they understand thank you thank you anyone else Mr Mor moving on to our next topic um we want to wanted to provide an update on the American Rescue plan funding uh currently the budget the remaining budget is $15.5 million and you can see um on the items there on on the list excuse me that we have various um um funding streams and some of these funding streams are restricted for specific purposes such as your after school tutoring um instructional materials supplemental programming homeless children and youth Etc so I highlighted for you on line number three which is the ARP Esser 3 which I should have asked the board to just make a quick correction to that because S 3 is the ARP formula grant to leas um current budget is 10, 96,00 684 and available is 5,284 9932940094 with the of course the appropriate amendments to the Department of Education on slide 20 can can I just ask one quick question about that so I know the federal deadline is uh September 30th to expend all the our dollars yes um do we have an internal deadline to do that because I know like for a lot of agencies it's June 30th because that's when the fiscal year ends so I just want to be clear that as we make plans kind of what's our timeline for planning and when does that money have to actually leave the school district yes ma'am so on the next slide I actually put a sample of the award letter that shows the last date for incurring expenditures and issuing purchase orders is September 30 so as of September 30 those funds expire um if you look at the project period in box number six you will see the budget period is from November 16 2021 to September 30 2024 under the federal regulations that's known as the period of availability September 30 those funds die and then all of any purchase orders that have been issued up until that point we have until September excuse me 11 November 20th to liquidate them and send in our reports to the to the doe so we're looking at September 30 according to the award document it's at the it's beside the red arrow okay included uh provided for you a a list of positions that are funded by the ARP um funds um there are a few things that I wanted to point out to the board that there are a couple positions that for example the junior the multimedia journalist that is a part of your strategic plan um the two nurses are a part of the health plan that we do get reimbursed for based on changes that the board the board made to the nursing plan and the junior network engineer we know that that that can be absorbed into Capital particularly that position is critical to the e- rate program that we're pursuing in terms of changing out the network switches and the whole architecture of that um that program which is about $2 million that we're going through the E rate so ultimately we feel that that salary can be absorbed and we know that the superintendent will be back with some recommendations um for the remainder of those positions when we come back next month in March on the next slide um just a heads up next month we would like to bring forward um an update to your investment policy um the policy was adopted in in June of 2012 um instruments have kind of changed over time uh we'd like to bring that back for further discussion with pfm which is your financial advisers regarding updating that policy um there're only two areas particularly that we wanted to look at and do some changes so we'll bring that back next month to you so we can take a look at that the next Carter can you give us can you um at your leisure can you supply to the board the last quarterly update from pfm and just be sure you send it to them so they can it thank you okay the next item is a potential to save some money um this one is the series 2014 a cop um that was issued to refund the an the original Anderson Middle School cop of about $40.79 million it was refunded and the original par amount that was about was about $29 million currently we have about 17.1 out1 million outstanding with a final maturity date of 2031 um a provision in the bond indenture allows us to call in within the 10-year period certain bonds and refinance them and we're approaching that 10-year period the certificates maturing on or after July 1 2025 are subject to prepayment at par so the callable amount out of that 17 million um is about $15.29 million now when you stratify the bonds there are certain strips that we can pull out and refinance which come up to about $1 million and based on current interest rates we believe that there's an opportunity once we refinance those bonds to save about um $500,000 um our discussion today at the work just to kind of give you a little bit of a timeline um of course we brought it to your attention today at today's Workshop somewhere between in the middle of April or so we would receive our ratings from our ratings agency we we use Fitch ratings for our ratings agency um and then bring it back in April for board consideration um for approval ofi of the the final um financing documents which would include the resolutions the preliminary offering statement such as documents such as that I wanted to also bring to your attention that we've been having some discussions with pfm and in in the world of um Bond refinancing this is considered somewhat of a smaller deal and so in looking at Underwriters when you look at at across the State of Florida we have Bank of America Raymond James and RBC Capital markets that pretty much handle all of the um School District um Bond issues or cop issues and typically you will pay like a$ two to three dollar per Bond under that sort of a structure for a larger deal um some of the houses have indicated that they will probably lose money on this deal because of its size what we're recommend mending instead of writing a full-blown RFP that we would just contact these three firms get a price from them it's called the it's called a takedown which is just a flat fee in order to do that some of these um Underwriters are interested in maintaining as particular Bank of America is interested in in in um maintaining our relationship regardless of the fact that we may they may lose a little money on the deal so I wanted to bring that to your attention that um We'll be asking for those quotes and again full disclosure to the board once we get those those prices and and come back to you regarding that Roberts so you have out of the 15 million you have about um 4 million that the rates are still too low on correct yes they're about 3% give or take when you look at the coupon strips they're about 3% the ones what years what years are those do you have the years for those uh I believe the ones we're looking at refinancing are 20 2027 2030 and 2031 those are all above 5% okay thank you any other questions then in late April finishing up the timeline we'd go to um a public offering and then hopefully by early May we' close the deal and then we'll be able to have those bonds refinance and have the savings and house next item we just wanted to also give the board an update on impact fees uh we copied the entire Martin County ordinance section 6.50 regarding the refund of fees paid the yellow highlighted section in 6.50 at the bottom of the slide um essentially gives the life of the impact fees six years from the date the school impact feed was paid and the the fee payer uh needs to apply within 180 days of that date in order for them to um get a refund we also um showed you put there a copy of the rates for the impact fees that are um was adopted in 20 2008 by the county on this next slide I wanted to show you the amount of impact fees collected by year because now we have to track them by year and we also have to track them by zone so what I wanted to do was to show you that anything that is in yellow uh we believe is at risk but the good news is that if you look at it for example in the north which is the north CSA if you look at the legend on the bottom left you will see the north CSA comprises of Felix Williams Jensen Beach Elementary no middle school there and high school is Jensen Beach High School um that three we've collected 6.7 million um since 1920 however we have budgeted over $3 million U primarily for that new building at Edition at jensa Beach High School you may recall in your fiveyear plan that we did something with a CTE building there so because we have not budgeted at 3.7 million we're looking at 2029 2030 and 2031 potentially to be at risk but we do have some some shelf life to those dollars when need you look at Palm City um that $1.2 million we've collected since 1920 um all of it is shaded um currently um in pal in the Palm City we don't have anything budgeted at this point um as you know um we've just rebuilt Jensen and Palm City Elementary we're still looking at how best we matter of fact Mr secret and I are always going over this that whatever projects we're adding uh to try to see if there's any way we can use these impact fees um in the South CSA we've collected $3 million um since 1920 we've budgeted roughly about 2 million dollar for the South CSA um this is at South Fork High School there are some projects um that are in The Five-Year Capital plan primarily the replacement of a couple of buildings uh out at South Fork particularly a agricultural building I believe to to get that replaced at Stewart CSA pretty much um all of it um and the Stuart CSA has been budgeted for phase two building 10 at Stuart Middle School um the West CSA we believe that the final two years 2030 and 31 again we have time um that $44,000 would be at risk we have budgeted $297 ,000 for the partial funding at Warfield as you recall The Five-Year Plan does have additional classrooms at Warfield and the midcounty CSA uh we don't currently have anything planned because when you look at the legend when you look at midc count there are no schools in that midcounty zone which I think that somehow needs to be addressed um can you get us a map next time so we can see exactly where Mid county is so we can determine whether there's that's CU we have 1.7 there I'm curious Carter on the mid count because we're collecting the dollars in midcounty but it feeds into other um other areas like West so midcounty um like Martin County High School and can you use the dollars collected in mid count for the schools that the students are attending in that zone so if the kids in midcounty go to Martin County High School um steuart middle I don't know what the map looks like but can you then take those dollars to and support because it's really to build seats um let me check into that for you in the statute there's a standard called the rational Nexus test which means the grow the the the fees are paid to accommodate the growth and because it's divided by zone I'm not sure because the rational Nexus test attempts to draw a straight line from the increase in students to where the impact is being felt so if you would allow me to research that and bring that back to you and is it I mean what was the reasoning to put these six zones with no schools located in Mid county is it a requirement is it just as simple as us redrawing the map unfortunately this was done before my time but I what I can tell you was um prior to 2019 I believe it was you could use impact fees anywhere in the district if you collected down south you could use them at North you could use them wherever it was a districtwide ordinance the legislature changed the statute that limited the amount of impact fees and put some guard rails in there about um how much you can collect for impact fees well I shouldn't say that there restrictions on on impact fees in general but one of the Restriction was to now divide it by Zone I think the idea was if you're collecting in the South you should be spending in the South which uh makes sense yeah that if you're paying for capacity as a developer that it would go to the area that you are building I mean it makes sense but I know in in implementation and I just wonder what the process is for us to change this so that midc count is either we're going to put it either redraw the map Totally and have six six zones or we need to condense it to five zones and so that the schools are in those zones I will work with the facilities Department to take a look at that so I have a feeling that um even if you redraw the money that you have that's expiring still stays to that zone but I draw your attention to the Palm City CSA that under high school where it says None you also have a footnote that says Zone to Martin County in South Fork which would make me think that if it's Mark if it's Zone to Martin County and South Fork if that zone if the Palm City zone is zoned to Martin County and South Fork you could use impact dollars at Martin County and South Fork I mean just don't worry about the midcounty one right now just worry about that Palm City one so you would be able to take Palm City money and even though you don't have any need at the three elementaries in the Middle School you would be able to say even though I don't physically have a school there I know that I'm zoned for that direction right so in that case you would be able to take the 1.2 that's in the Palm City Zone and if you wanted to reassign it to high school improvements at the two high schools that they're zoned to I could follow that rationale then to go back to what Mrs Powers was saying we know that the people who live which is why I think it's important to look at exactly where that map shows up of what the border of the midcounty area is so we know that those are zoned to certain schools so if they're zoned to certain schools the same logic that we're using for the Palm City piece would follow that you would be able to use that same logic to be able to use use it for wherever because so just because you have a zone that doesn't have a school inside the Zone the kids in that zone still have to go somewhere yeah I think that's what I just said yeah it is just checking yes it is but I mean I think that you but I would start with the Palm City one because the Palm City one has the clear language already on there for the thing okay thank you at this point Madam chair this concludes the um budget Workshop number one um we will we have some deliverables that we'll be bringing back next month um as we discuss so I thank you very much for your time are there any further questions from the board thank you Mr Morrison okay moving along we are going to be moving on to our controlled open enrollment presentation Dr Miller would you please share any updated information you may have good evening Madam chair Mr superintendent members of the board Tracy Miller Deputy superintendent and this is a part two of our controlled open enrollment discussion just as a reminder at the January meeting the board approved several locations to be controlled open enrollment sites for Martin County School District for the upcoming 2425 school year those include the elementary schools listed there Citrus Grove Crystal Lake Felix Williams hop sound Jensen Beach Elementary p home City Elementary and Sea Winds plus all five of our middle schools and at the time that the board voted on this we discussed the board policy that allows the board to add additional sites Palm City happened to be one that was over the 75% but the board decided to include that one already as a controlled open enrollment school and now we're going to have a little bit of discussion about the potential for additional schools to be added to that list this is the data for the current schools that were mentioned and then these are the schools that had not already been determined to be controlled open enrollment locations for the next school year and here the most important detail is the information all the way to the right of the slide that indicates the projected enrollment and the percent of the capacity of the fish capacity for the school so this is the information that indicates it's above the 75% of per board policy but again open for discussion and action by the board these are the remaining elementary schools and our three high schools is a very brief summary of what Mr Morrison just presented to the board in terms of enrollment just a snapshot of our enrollment counts over the last several periods very flat enrollment these are the numbers of students in our actual school buildings for these elementary middle and high school group um groups before those time periods mentioned and then also we were asked to bring back information about planned neighborhoods and I know most of the board was able to attend the joint meeting with the county the city and the town of Indiantown at the The Joint meeting about a week ago and and we heard the same information that basically the enrollments the numbers of students who are generated from these communities that are being developed have been flat over the last several years and are projected to be flat until some of these big projects really come online there are a few that are getting started the Florida um Martin County residential permits that have been issued per year you can see the number of units for residential that have been issued over the last few years and then there's a formula the student generation calculator in other words how many students are projected to be produced by those development so how many additional students might move into the neighborhoods based upon the residential permits that are issued within Martin County there are three of note um three neighborhoods of Note coming online story Newfield and teral Lago and the information provided by the county indicates the number of students who are proposed within the near future and as those developments really increase and um the houses start to be built we'll get a better picture of how many students will actually be coming into our school district and then important to note that the information provided by the city is that they have not had residential new residential units coming on board something that we've seen of note is that the projected the enrollment calculator has really determined numbers that we haven't seen materialize in the school district so even though the calculator tells us for example this number is projected to be produced by those new neighborhoods we're not seeing those numbers come in and as you can see from the previous Slide the county has changed those calculations and we expect those to change in the future to more accurately reflect the numbers of students generated by those new neighborhoods and so again Dr just really quickly so you're you're telling you're G to we're going to change the calculator is that what you're saying like how because I know we have we had predicted like all the apartments that were going in and it just did not materialize like one student from a major apartment complex had generated one student so how are we going to modify the calculator and how will we apply that so that's something that we're going to be tracking as we move forward and let me just share you can see the number has changed over time we expect that number to continue to change to more accurately reflect the students that are being generated by those developments okay so that's the the number that I believe will continue to change for the reasons that we mentioned thank you you're welcome and so I'm going to go back to the slide with the data right here these are the schools that are currently not board approved for controlled open enrollment and open to the board for any questions or discussion about these schools potentially being added to the list for controlled open enrollment which does open on March 1st questions from the board miss pet so in looking at the um schools in the top graph it would seem that the ones that are listed have available seats obviously Bessie Creek has 17 but they're at capacity but the ones underneath I think should be considered as well as South Fork nine seats available anyone else Miss Roberts um so I'm concerned with South for because of choice programs and because of that the way that that looks as we're expanding the career opportunities in that piece so I'm I'm kind of hesitant towards South Fork um I almost feel like I mean like maybe we should ask the principal of Bessie Creek whether 17 is a realistic number and we would not allow choice because it's only 17 or whether we would say all elementary schools are open to choice I mean I'm or you can cap enrollment at certain schools I mean if they're close you can always cap it and say we can take 15 students at Bessie Creek I'm just using that as an example 15 students at Bessie Creek or you know you're and parents would know you if Bessie Creek is your first choice you may not get in if you're number 16 but there here's your other options or I don't know but I don't obviously we don't need to over so let me just ask you a question when we the ones that we have that are at 75% or less so let's take Citrus Grove that has 194 not that we're going to get 194 but when we open that um Choice controlled open enrollment when we open it to controlled open enrollment is there the potential that we would eat up all of the 194 or is there a way by which when we do that we can say save seven seats yes absolutely we can do any of the any of those options I I do want to share and this is something that that the board has pointed out in the past these are the fish report numbers that don't include Portables and they also don't include special programs so for example this is as if we put the number of students that a room can hold if we put that number in every room we know that we have VPK classrooms on campuses that take a classroom and they're not included in this so that for example at Bessie Creek her enrollment number her fish report says she can hold 617 students in a VPK classroom we may not have 18 which would be the average class size for K to three we have ESC programs that may not have 18 or 22 class size so we have kind of a programmatic capacity and we also have a fish capacity for all of our schools and for Bessie Creek we're actually bringing in Portables to accommodate the number of students she has right now she does need Portables to accommodate the number she has I know she doesn't like to hear this because she will take every student who would like to come if we left it up to her she would have I don't know tents or something out in the yard and um she's willing to do anything that it takes so we are actually having three Portables moved this summer to accommodate the numbers that we know are there now and for VPK to accommodate the need for VPK students at that site so I'm I'm very um tempted to say I'm interested in all elementary schools being open to controlled open enrollment um and to encourage as much VPK enrollment as we possibly can get um but I'm I look to the superintendent to see whether he has a comment on that or not yes I we want FTE we want these students and so I would highly encourage the board and recommend my recommendation would be to open up all the elementary schools including Bessie Creek I I believe that if 17 seats are available she will fill 17 seats and we would cap it I like the recom I think that's a a wonderful option that Mrs power stated you would just say we can only take 16 or 15 or whatever that number is and allow her to control that so I just want to also point out I don't know if anybody has taken a drive to the county to our North but there is already infrastructure in for 10,000 almost 10,000 new homes which basically will span from the border of Martin County at I95 all the way to alapata which which I know it's alapata 609 or and there is an entrance that is already cut off of 609 and when you look at a map and you see these 10,000 homes that are going in and how they're going to get to I95 all on two lane roads in Martin County is basically their going to be their resource and um I don't I know that St Lucy County School Board is planning to build new schools I mean they're experiencing explosive growth I I want to say like four or five new schools in St Lucy County but I think we have to we should start taking that into consideration that specifically that development because those it's six miles we I was out there with my husband we drove it it's like six miles from that back entrance office 609 Rangeline Road I think it is to n i 95 they're not going to drive all the way through that development back to 95 in St Lucy County and get on so they're going to be coming right through Martin County and I'm just looking at what's closest to that and I think we'll probably see more with Citrus Grove um and our Palm City Schools will be impacted by that as well so it's just something to think about that we should keep our eye on as we talk about Open Enrollment and how much capacity and all that and I think there's an another development it's another like four or 5,000 homes that is off of near the Becker Road area it's just crazy crazy any other questions how do you how do you feel about so so to summarize what I heard is for the board meeting the official board meeting for Action next month the board would like to see an agenda item to continue with the schools that have already been approved for controlled open enrollment and add the additional five elementary schools that are were are not currently on that list so in other words the Martin County School District controlled open enrollment locations would be all elementary and middle and those would be based on the actual capacity rooms available and seats available by grade level and what we would do is once that window opens and closes for controlled open enrollment so in other words on March 31st we would sit down and sit down with the principal look at the projected seats per grade level look at the capacity per room look at the number of rooms and decide how many students we can take at each school to fill up all of the schools based upon those applications for controlled open enrollment is that yes perfect ction yes yes right and I think if the superintendent in the in the agenda item if the superintendent wants to reserve two seats five seats 10 seat you know however many you need to reserve at each of those to cap those numbers if that can come in the recommendation for then we would we absolutely can and to Mrs pritchett's um question about South Fork High School we could potentially based on signature programs those nine seats are there now they realistically will probably not be there when we look at filling those signature programs however in the event that we fill our signature programs and there are seats available we could put some verbage in the agenda item that we would leave it up to Jamie Thompson to accept the remaining seats that were available okay thank you there'll be an item on the regular board meeting agenda next week very good thank you any further questions all right thank you Dr Miller our next presentation is on the Indiantown bus compound thank you very much Mr Harden and I are pleased to present U some information about the Indiantown bus compound and potential for reopening or reestablishing buses in the Indian town area I did provide printed copies for board members I apologize that there was another update today so you have printed copy in front of you for your convenience but we wanted to share that we definitely want the board to understand the the needs for transportation in the Indian town area we currently have three bus routes we call them three- tier routes meaning one bus one driver runs an elementary one middle and one high school route so there are three routes in Indian town that take place three times a day to the the various groups of schools so there are no current bus assistance on those routes and the bus assistance vary based upon the needs of the students so while there are no bus assistance today that could change at any time based upon the needs of the students who actually ride the buses there are currently No Buses staged in the Indiantown area and this is um important to note in case there are emergencies breakdowns accidents those kinds of things the travel time from the bus compound that we have in Stewart to Indiantown is approximately 45 minutes and we all know that that varies greatly Depending on time of year and traffic conditions railroad crossings all of those things so that time couldn't be 45 minutes give or take based upon time of year and current current traffic conditions to get to Indiantown we want to point out that all buses in the fleet must be inspected monthly and the mechanics and the equipment and the the garage facility is only available in here on the coast at the Stewart location so we are not in any way proposing for a duplication of that kind of a garage in Indiantown but we would transport buses monthly for those required inspections so for Staffing we have two drivers who currently live in Indian toown and one drives an Indiantown Route One driver who drives the Indian toown route lives in taquesta another driver lives in St Lucy County just to share with you where the people are the current employees who drive those three Indian Town routes if needed a substitute driver would take about 45 minutes again to get from the compound here in Stewart out to Indiantown currently the drivers with the routes in Indiantown have an hour and a half per day added to their route time to account for that driving time back and forth to Indiantown if we had drivers stationed in Indiantown at the compound the driver schedules would be reduced and they would receive the Indiantown Western Zone supplement according to the contract because they would be an Indian Town employee and how does that equate if I'm losing one and a half hours and I'm adding the supplement am I even or what am I so Mr Harden actually did a mental calculation earlier today we'd be saving about 120 miles per bus per day not driving from the compound out to to the routes in Indiantown I I'm asking about the employees so if I'm a bus driver that's currently getting to drive getting paid to drive an extra hour and a half but now I'm not paid to drive an hour and a half but you're giving me the $2,000 supplement am I ahead of the game or am I am I making less money it would be pretty close to breaking even depend on the uh the early wage as different drivers have different wages U I had figured that roughly it's about break even more it was that with the 2,000 supplement thank you I can uh I can definitely count like that a definite answer well I'm curious if we have a calculation on the wear and tear on the bus and also the fuel costs for the extra hour and a half per day I I remember when we did this when this happened I was opposed to it but I did calculate and I don't couldn't find it calculated what the fuel cost was because that's that was an additional expense that we had to cover um plus the salary and then plus what you know normal wear and tear this just the drive to and from per bus about 120 miles a day yeah and looking at 365 per gallon about eight miles per gallon is what the average but I I can figure that get that yeah it just be nice to know we want we for the co overall cost or the savings be pretty good savings yeah thank you so when we did have a oh apologize I didn't the Indiantown bus compound when it was open was located on Farmers Road the in the area was last used as a bus compound during the 201516 school year and it was closed the summer of 2016 but as you can see from the photos the lot is still there it has lights the portable is still there that was the office for the bus compound and there is that empty lot that is fenced with a gate so if we were to revitalize that particular location that had been used as a bus compound looking at the upgrades to that portable that hasn't been used for a while we're looking at some Capital needs but we have another option that is a less expensive option but seems very viable and this would be to utilize existing space at the Indiantown adult education center which is located very close to the parking lot the bus parking lot that we mentioned and that is very close to the former bus compound this area was recently revitalized and as you can see from the photo there has some space available they would be happy to house members of the transportation team in that location the only thing that we would need in order to move in and move uh some Transportation employees and function fun to that location would be some updates to technology in that building from ET Department we would still need to look at replacing or repairing resurfacing the parking lot it hasn't been used for a little while we would need to make sure that the lot was in good condition fix some potholes that are out there and then the thought is fuel can be purchased locally with an agreement with an Indian Town provider rather than putting in new gas tanks and things there so that could that would be a savings a potential savings as opposed to to putting in an additional tank at the old location so that brings your 7246 down it depends on what the what the cost would be to repair that lot the the bus lot the parking lot repair wasn't included in the 72 it wasn't it wasn't we didn't have a number for that you have to also calculate fuel costs at retail rates because there's no wholesalers out in Indian town so you're buying at the pump I had if we move forward I plan to there's a shell and a marathon we come off from the compound to check those see if they give us a better cost we account them see if I get better fuel I would talk to them to find those have we checked with um Martin County to see if we can piggy back on what have going on out in Indian town for their fire rescue the sheriff's department um I think at the substation they have their own and a long time ago a long long time ago um the bus depot used to be collocated right there behind where the substation or the Indian town uh where the substation where the fire fire rescue is now with the bus depot used to be located there so there was a shared I don't know it's just an option to explore yeah I can check with and I'm happy to reach out to our to the county commissioner that serves that area if it would be helpful but if you want to make those calls and then let us know how we can help if we can I know we've talked about it a long time um of sharing services and sharing things like Fu refueling um certain things that we can share that would eliminate some cost and if the board is interested in pursuing the idea of having buses located in Indiantown these are all of the next steps that we would take after we get direction to continue along this route and look at what option would be the most appealing and then move forward with that regardless of the location we looked at what would be the ideal staffing needs for this location a supervisor and safety specialist supporting the Indian Town location they would both be required to have their CDL license to to be able to help cover routes these positions would be new but the proposed coordinator is one that's already being proposed it's not an additional expense because of this project this potential project it is already being proposed as part of the 2425 org chart for transportation to support success succession planning and so the concept would be that the supervisor would be at the Indiantown site and would also receive direction of course and mentorship from the director at the Stewart bus compound and would be responsible for the afternoon support of drivers in Indiantown the drivers complete their day at about 5:00 P p.m or would complete their day in Indiantown around 5:00 pm. so the Coordinator would hire the afternoon supervision and support and the safety specialist would be the person arriving about 5:30 a.m. in order to provide morning supportive drivers in addition to the functions of a safety specialist that include professional learning dexterity assessments investigations driver observations supervision and oversight of the location so we would have somebody there in the morning from Transportation someone there in the afternoon but of course the Coordinator would be serving other functions not just for this Indian Town proposed location so is it um would having three drivers would there a full safety POS specialist position be needed um for three drivers and three buses is a lot one of the can't hear you wait turn your mic on so we can hear you oh sorry I can understand though that you're using the safety specialist in the morning so you have the morning supervision and then you have the afternoon supervision from the director of transportation and in case somebody doesn't show up or something happens then you have a dve driver who can actually drive right right morning or afternoon morning I'm just morning afternoon I'm just curious about the um you know is is it fulltime is it a full day so would have two people there at the same time or you saying we would have uh the the safety specialist there from probably like 5:30 morning till 1 or two okay then the coordinator will go and be there from 1:32 till 5: or till the last driver gets back in and they parked the bus okay and in addition to that I know and I appreciate you all adding that additional option I know the superintendent and I had talked about this and one of the other things that I we had talked about too and I know that was one of the main reasons when we when that decision was made to not have buses out there was the supervision piece um but I think that having it collocated with another site whether it be the Indian Town adult education or even Indiantown middle school because Indiantown middle school has plenty of room and empty space as well that they would utilize the time clock somebody is usually there to see um is there an issue or a problem there's somebody in a supervisory capacity that is on the site all the time um during this at least during the school day I can see the afternoons if someone if they leave but Middle School doesn't get out until after 4:00 now so there would be like a small window of time that there wouldn't be that leadership type person and I don't know if we can just take all that into consideration not right now you don't have to answer it but just some additional ideas on how we can make this financi ially viable thank you are there any other questions at this time is there interest in pursuing either both these options additional options how would you like us to proceed and bring back a a full concept to a workshop or would you I'm hearing there's interest I'm definitely interested in pursuing um locating buses from a safety aspect in Indiantown I know that there been a couple of times that we've had gas leaks and it takes um well over 45 minutes because that's just the drive time it's not scrambling a driver and getting so all we can do to make the safety in for Indiantown students um I'm I'm supporting supportive of that I am I like the idea of collocating with another entity whether it be Indiantown adult education or Indiantown Middle School um they both of those options would require less capital investment and um but would also offer some supervision um outside of if some if there's some overlap or some time with that somebody's not there they would always be some sort of leadership on site so um that's my preference and then the fuel piece I think we should explore something with Martin County and then also with um local vendors I mean for me I would like to see where we can have cost savings so if you could dig into it and figure out exactly more accurate numbers and then bring that back to where we know kind of more of what we're looking at okay if we did have an agreement with someone locally for the gas what is that going to look like um before we make a decision I just feel like we need more information and then the driver's salary we captured the interest in understanding that yes well and I think one of the things we have to address too is how about the drivers themselves like it used to but when we did this all the drivers lived in Indiantown and we lost quite a few because they didn't want to drive into Stewart to pick up a bus then drive back so every single bus driver was from Indiantown so from a recruiting standpoint I think that this could benefit the school district in recruiting bus drivers from Indiantown but also you know I just want to say that I know that there is some cost associated with this but the safety of our students is the most important thing and regardless of where you live in our County um and quite honestly I think we should be looking at um other areas that it takes a long time to get to and having a plan so that they're not waiting when there is an emergency they're not standing around waiting for a bus for two hours um to get there to transport children so um I think this is the first step because obviously it's the furthest away but this same could be applied to situations in hobes sown at times of the year just with traffic trying to scramble buses and get people there so having that plan in place and maybe eventually you know looking at our uh shared we and Mike I don't know Miss Roberts if you were here but remember when we had the long discussion about collocating with the county on their um facilities like maintenance and I hear that those discussions are kind of bubbling up again um what that might look like and not meaning that we would share we would share a facility but it could be like fuel like the sheriff's department has to have certain mechanics that they only work on their cars they don't work on buses but we would obviously have the same so there's some things we can't share but there are a lot of things that we can so um maybe we'll get to a point where we're having that conversation again interesting conversation back in the day it really was I think they kind of went off on a tangent of their own to come up with one location for three different entities to operate out of we were still different entities there was no cost savings yeah so but it's worth talking about thank you thank you thank you okay next is our presentation on the Martin County High School pool Mr crest so good afternoon Madame chair superintendent Maine school board members I'm Mark secret director of facilities and planning we are actually bringing this uh future project because it's not a project yet but we wanted to discussed this with the board much like what we did with the 24 major projects we currently have going on um this is this turned into a project that we wanted to review with you first um get some kind of Direction and then um figure out how we're moving forward um this project has a long history the first renovation was done in 1980 we actually just did some work on the locker rooms restroom area in 2023 so it's been ongoing with different Renovations throughout the years um it's heavily used by the Martin County School our Martin County High School students the swim team the dive team um and then they do have a club that uses it quite frequently um next slide so there are the current usage it's actually broken out from the last slide um we do have some usage from Martin County um fire rescue the police Beach lifeguards um we did have one of the elementary schools use it for a boat race again we have the swimming the Martin County swimming we have the Martin County High School swim and dive teams so all these players are involved with that pool on a yearly basis um we want to give you some general knowledge on operating costs this came from the budget book and then it was kind of overlooked by it was overviewed by um Finance um I don't know if anybody has any c any questions on the cost but that's what we took from the budget book and then as we move forward this is what the other two high schools are doing was um sailfish SPL flash um you can see what their yearly um expenses are and then the last slide or the second to last slide this is why we brought this item forward um we were requested a work order from staff at the high school um being that this isn't a normal construction project that I deal with daily we contacted one of our major contractors and they contacted their kind of pool contractor just to give us an idea of what this work order was going to look like um so these are budgetary numbers they're not hard numbers it could vary one way or the other but it does give you kind of a general ballpark figure based on the work order and to complete those items what we're looking at as a dollar amount now on top of that we just received a work order last week to have all six heaters replaced and just the equipment alone is around 38,000 so you're going to add a third or double that number by the time you add the labor so that number gets added to that bottom line number that you see at the bottom of that graph um so our our question right now is we just want to give discussion with the board see how you want to proceed um with with these kind of dollar amounts it does become kind of a major project now um it wasn't on anybody's radar technically but it does it does need to be done based on the usage and the and the age of that pool um we just need direction on how you want to proceed I have a question okay go ahead oh go ahead you go first Amy can you go back to slide two okay uh I'm sorry slide three it's hard to see slide three one two the next one okay could you explain discretionary and miscellaneous reimbursements so when we reviewed that number it came from the budget book but what we found out that covered it it can cover up to like 14 lifeguards um and currently that number can fluctuate because I think they're only using about four lifeguards but it is a budgetary number that's in in you know you're holding that line item which one discretionary or miscellaneous miscellaneous what is discretionary so discretionary we figure that out and maybe the miscellaneous should be changed to it's all the chemicals and basically to maintain that pool and just think it would be better if the line item described what the expenditure is so for miscellaneous it should say Staffing lifeguards and discretionary should talk about chemicals Etc okay just just so people can see the transparency okay thank you so I I'd like to know I remember when Mr momes ran the pool and he had his own swim team Martin County Aquatics and he would bring in extra um lifeguards he would have swim meets and none of that should be I does he still operate out of the pool Martin County Aquatics or is he done with that well now it's called Martin County swim okay so and it may very well still be Mr mcoles but we shouldn't have a budget for that that should be no he should be renting the pool use facilities so I'm wondering if some of these numbers might have been from the old days when Mr momes was actually employed by Martin County um school district and that some of those discretionary items or miscellaneous items could have been from when they had special events there it it's it's under our current budget book this is 2324 budget okay I didn't know if they just carried over the same numbers or you did zero base yeah and Mark do what is the revenue generated from our use of facilities do is it CU that that I think it's sort of low I mean I think we've always said it was like $10 an hour but it's $50 an hour to rent a gymnasium but it's $10 an hour to rent the pool and it it seemed really low so it's like 25 or yeah it was I don't remember the exact numbers but it was kind of so I don't know if the revenue of what you know know the use of facilities is it offsetting any of these expenses so I'll have to let Carter speak on how it offsets but I know we ran the numbers with finance and basically early 2023 because right now we're in the process of invoicing them for the current year they may they they send a check in for like $122,000 okay and that covered almost the full well probably nine months of a school year those they sent a check for 12,000 when last February last February so I I asked Carter we we have those numbers because that was inquired upon so in 1920 it was $ 7,462 in 2021 it uh we have Z collected 2122 10,968 and 2223 it was $1,575 as Mark said for 23 24 they're still invoicing thank you that's for uh Martin swims collections the portion that we received from Martin swims so I'm a bit confused as to how that works if we're in the year 2324 now and you're supposed to pay before you use a facility how can we be in February of this year with no income their invoices we we we went through the whole system cuz I have two new employees covering that now so they're actually auditing School dude to figure out who's paid and who hasn't paid and that's what we came up with there's so everybody's being invoiced that didn't send in a check or use of facilities so how did how do they get in I mean they just walk in and jump in the pool well it's an approved event they just never sent they they just never sent their check because they're going to they either didn't get an invoice or they haven't paid it yet do we have the insurance certificate from yes so do you remember I'm GNA go backs because my daughter and my son used to swim there uh for Martin County High School um we spent I want to say we spent over a million dollars re renovating that pool and so we should get another 20 years out of it now this is probably my son's 28 so maybe 10 years ago it was pushing the 10 to 12 year I think when they put the last liner in you're right at that 10 to 12 year mark and that liner 2008 what Dr Miller just told me when we put the last liner in well 2008 was the last liner oh that's got its last and it was expensive then and it's still running like over 800,000 now just for the liner so I I think from a fiscal uh standpoint I'm concerned I know there's some folks and I think some of them are probably here right now because I recognize a few of them U that swim there in the mornings I think real early mornings and um and have for many many many years um there I I didn't see is that on the list also as um it's under the Martin swimming it's under Martin swimming okay um you know I think at some point point in time this pool's going to outlive its usefulness for this for the school district and I've really always been in favor of eliminating the pool and especially when um Sailfish Splash was built because it's got a beautiful pool facility there and a lot of our SW our swimmers swim over at Sailfish Splash and I wonder if we could make a deal with the county to you know have everybody who's utilizing our pool use selfish splash and we don't need to spend a million or $2 million I think this says a million 235 um to redo this pool I would just I would personally dismantle it and I don't know if you have more classroom space in the eventually or more parking lot space but certainly there's there's you know when there's something literally right across the street I remember when Jim was here um at Jim mcoms it was a big deal because the swim teams the swim teams got along the management didn't so we kept them apart and it was you know was probably the best thing we could do but I I just I wonder I don't know what kind of use Sailfish Splash is getting but it's a it was cost of tremendous dollars to the public and the and the taxpayers so I don't know why we can't make a deal with them and ultimately at the end of the day everybody who's using it should be able to use self selfish pla and it's right across the street literally across across Willoughby Boulevard so to be fair with all the high schools we provided the slide that's up now that to show just what Jensen Beach and South Fork their current expenses are to have a swim team so that these expenses are their utilization of of sailfish flash yep so they have four meats and they're only paying 2,000 80 that's I mean when we look at the cost of Maintenance per year of the pool so let me make sure I understand this correctly so Jensen Beach High School to accommodate their swim team is paying $4,000 4,000 to be over at sellfish Splash South Fork is paying about 3500 to be over at sellfish Splash Martin County for the convenience of not going across the street to sell fish splash has a pool that's costing us current year operating costs of 145,000 which gets offset by approximately let's say the 12,000 that's coming from Martin swimming correct so if I take the 145 minus the 12 so for 133,000 the Martin County swim team can swim on site is that what we're that's that's what the information reflects and then even if you figure okay the Pinewood Elementary wants to do their Derby let's say you know their their cardboard Derby all those other things um you'd have to do a lot of swimming to get to the 133,000 I'm not talking about the capital cost I'm just talking about the yearly operating cost right right okay so for $133,000 the mark County fire rescue the police the LIF guards and the Stewart police are using our facility for free it's just it's like a single event they have okay and the PE Martin County High School PE classes and high school sports use it for conditioning and Rehab there's no there's there's no swim class as PE anymore correct correct an extended day is using it for their summer program they will be yes so for $133,000 the sheriff or the steuart police fire rescue the police and the beach lifeguards can swim there for free the PE class no PE class the high school sports can use it for conditioning extended day has a place to have their summer programming we can do a pinewood cardboard boat race for 133,000 correct seems expensive I from a business standpoint it doesn't make sense but you know especially if Sailfish Splash wasn't there it you know it would make sense and it did make sense but sales fish Splash is there it's an excellent facility they have bathrooms and and you know changing room and showers and they have two pools I mean it's a giant pool facility um I I don't know I and they're the closest high school to it what's that they're the closest high school to it exactly I mean they literally the kids were walking across the street when the pool was down for repairs they walked across the sail fish flash I mean I can't I can't justify this kind of numbers now I would say I would Preamble that by saying we need to talk to the county and find out with the users that are using this if we can get them Bas at Sailfish Splash and what times they're using it and all that because they you know they I don't see why they wouldn't turn down they would turn down the revenue what's that that becomes our problem of making no but I would just ask because they folks you know they rely on us to have the pool so why not just make a call and say Hey you know can you accommodate a another swim club right very simple they're all I mean the pool's big enough so well I mean I just while I appreciate that and I do think we should look at like utilization by what groups are utilizing and the number of days a year like kind of seeing what what it's how it's being utilized but um I don't know that it's I mean if we said if we asked the current Basketball Club and volleyball club hey we're thinking about shutting this down what do you think can and we we shouldn't try to find them space because they would all like us to build more gymnasiums if even if there wasn't a school there because they're that utilized so sfish splash I mean I agree with you it's right there it's a beautiful facility I just for for the expense to reh AB um and Mark if you could let us know too what the cost was in 2008 so we can kind of see um what our expectations are over the years um so I know in 2018 we replaced the heaters M they were at $4,000 each now they're at $6,000 each right and that's not any labor or any parts they're only going to go up and I remember um the last time we had this discussion about the pool and about renting the pool Etc that at that time even though that was a different board Etc the comment was you know well we can go on for a bit longer but when it needs that major repair we need to really stop and look at it and see how close it is to Sailfish Splash and what the usage actually is and whether it's something that we should be trying to pay for and I think with based on a recession looming on the horizon um falling FTE I mean when you take all those things into consideration I don't see where on the capital side we have an extra million I don't see I can think of other uses for 135 133 a year and I agree with I do recall our discussion then saying we're going to let this the pool kind of run its useful life but we were not going to make any more major investment keep it up and running and safe but I mean this is a major project at you know over a million dollars I well that's only for the pool that doesn't that doesn't include the the the bathroom and uh locker room facilities I mean those are probably 50 years old too so I remember the concrete we did the concrete once before because it was all sinking around the pool the last time probably in ' 08 when we did that um I mean this list is just to basically fix everything everything that was on the work order but now we got to add six pool heaters to that so um I just want to give you some kind of a real number because I knew I have no idea what these are costing because we don't do this type of construction every day but we did have a real contractor look at it so these are budgetary numbers they could probably well every day everything's going up so this could go up in another 30 days the way the market is right now sure and I can easily see that it's over a million capital I mean to get that piece back up and then 145 minus the 12 or minus whatever it is 133 and operating I think you're just kind of it's hard to make an argument for it go ahead Miss bridet is there anything of a safety concern right now that needs to be addressed because I think we're all feeling similarly that we probably don't want to go ahead and do this work but till the end of the time as such when it doesn't have a useful life anymore is there something that needs to be done now that addresses any safety issues that's my concern the only thing I would know of would may be the heaters and I don't know if that means we have to replace all of them um I just don't I don't know what state they're in I'd have to get with maintenance and figure out if they all need to go but that would be the one item that would have to be that's about $36,000 that's just that's just the parts that's just the heaters not the installation I I think I was thinking more in terms of are kids going to get hurt using the pool that's my concern not right now it just have to be maintained okay thank you any further questions or comments robt so can you get an estimate on what it would cost and what it would look like to um remove the pool yeah you understand what I mean instead of just making it a hole with um water that turns green with a fence around it with you know condemned on the on the wall what it looks like in order to take control of that square footage back Madam chair is oh I'm sorry one more thing is it's not part of the castaly or anything is it okay thanks I don't believe so I would just request that we direct staff to kind of bring back a couple of options to utilize that entire space including the pool with those portable locations that are there in future construction projects that would eliminate those Portables and move the additional building size to replace those Portables with a with a freestanding building that would move into the area where the pool pool is located so that it's all Encompass compassing with a couple of options so Mr main the behind the pool I'm Sorry Miss Roberts go okay behind the pool is all the Portables correct so you know you could utilize that whole space for another building because in front of the pool is parking lot to the left of it uh or behind it if you walk through the entrance is grass area and then the driveway that goes out back so um there's some opportunity to put a whole another building in there for expansion of Martin County High School thank you Miss Roberts and I think um based on the midc count CSA and the Palm City CSA we might have a couple million dollars to take care of whatever we need to take care of we may need to repurpose those Portables to Bessie for the money we were going to participant at Martin County that we can use our uh impact fees for okay thank you so much okay that concludes our district presentations we will now have open to the board I would yeah sure I have something I would just like to wish you all a Happy Valentine's Day because I know you all have some chocolate waiting I have a piece of chocolate I can't wait um I just you know wish you all the best on your Valentine's Day hope your husbands take and family takes good care of you thank you maybe take you out to dinner and get you some red roses you all too thank you do you have anything okay this Workshop is now adjourned okay