##VIDEO ID:aVVqc-4uHP0## via roll call folks Mary did you hear that is Mary here Mary said I don't see her uh Paul present uh Mar kig is not here tonight know that uh Jack yes Maryann pass yes uh Deb I'm gonna put a yes because I know she's in the house I'm a yes Josh yes Dan hello okay uh Amy got you Stephanie yes and Linda Holt are you on you are I see you yes I'm here and Christa Silva yep I saw your name perfect thank you Chris okay everybody's here first item on the agenda oh never mind let me read the uh Governor's notice here first yeah uh sorry about that uh okay good evening uh this open meeting of the senior senate committee is being conducted remotely only this evening speakers on the agenda will also be participating remotely and the chair may allow the public to provide comments after the agender is completed if a member of the public wishes to speak please raise your hand on your computer and when called upon please state your name for the meeting minutes the senior 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minutes did everybody get a copy of their meeting minutes from the meeting of September 19th I believe everybody probably got a couple of copies does anybody have any uh heartburn or any uh issues that are outstanding that we need need to edit I think they look pretty good I really do uh all right so again via roll call approval of the meeting minutes Mary not here Paul yes Mark is not here sorry uh Jack Jack you approve yes oh okay sorry I didn't hear you Maran B it um I wasn't there last time so I'm going to recru recuse okay yep got you yes Deb thank you yeah Amy yes Josh you I don't think I was at that one I think I'll recuse myself on that yep y you were not Dan yes Amy yes I think so okay uh Stephanie I need to abstain I was not there either yeah you were missing also uh Linda I think you were I don't remember not a vote there but I'm not a voting member y y yeah you're right you're right hey Chris Silva you were I forget if you there or not I don't get a vote you don't get a vote wow he was there but he was there all right I should have looked at the attendance list all right no further Ado get to the agenda uh so working group reports again this week as we did at the last meeting we're going to discuss uh not going through all the slides that were presented um at the select board meeting but we want to take a few minutes and discuss basically a recap and a discussion of the uh presentation that that was that was made and by the way Jack did a superb job in presenting that superb joke it was excellent I've heard nothing but good things um but I am going to ask tonight and of this committee um I've heard a lot of good things what kinds of comments have people heard and again the reason I'm asking that is you know we're all on the same committee and we're going to think things look pretty good because we put it together we endorse that we voted on it but there may be other people in town who don't agree or have a point here or there that they maybe took issue with um has everybody's feedback that anybody has heard from been good uh any questions that come up that the people have not been able to answer to somebody else in the public I'm open to any questions or any comments Barry this is Deb go ahead most everything that I've heard has been very positive um there were people that came up to me afterwards and said I learned so much more tonight listening to the presentation and understand what you're looking for so excent I didn't hear any questions other than when we were talking with the select board I think it was Mike Stevens mentioned something about knowing what else happens up at the senior center besides activities and and fitness classes he was leading to the event of you know how the other services that we offer which you know includes the shine and health and wellness types things and so Amy and I spoke on that today and um Maryanne um Shields has made a poster to go to manded Fest this week so I took some of the ideas off of there and made a lineup of all the services that we offer that are ones that people don't really realize you know fuel assistance and housing assistance and mental health so that might be something that we add in the future yeah you're right because those aren't the things we generally U think of you know we're thinking of enough space for for exercise and you know a Zumba class and and things of that nature when not you're right fuel assistance well how does that happen you're right there's a lot of things that that do go on that are under the radar we don't see them so that yeah I think I had probably a list of 10 or more excellent that I that I'll send out to everybody excellent that's good so that was a a a question good question uh certainly well worth asking and and and thank you very much for uh you know getting with Amy and whoever else you collaborated with to get the list put together thank you uh any other questions or issues anybody has heard about I'm not hearing too many scre jry yeah go ahead [Music] um I heard what what Deb just said and I took it a little bit more broadly um and I got copied on the traffic that Deb works with Amy and so forth Maryanne has done that handout that was referred to um my suggestion is whether it's MaryAnn's thing as constituted or whatever de has done should in fact be made part of the um Senior Center report in other words Josh had put many many pages together but I would suggest we add this to that and I actually took it a little bit more broadly in the sense of what does a senior center do you know how does it operate um so I'm pushing a little bit for more than just well we have these kind of programs I don't know what exactly that means but I think it's an opportunity to educate folks on what it does how we do it and um the second thing which got triggered for me because of that um and I I've sent an email to a couple of people but I'll share it with the committee is understanding because the second part of what Mike said he jumped into some math relative to how much we are spending per senior and so forth I don't think most of the folks in town have an understanding of where does the COA money come from how is it spent and um Amy has you know limited so much for senior that comes from the state we have a line item in the town budget there's fees which come from um the van services and the signups for classes and so forth so there there's a revenue stream there I think it would be a useful thing and again I as an example or whatever I would suggest putting it in the senior center report that says in effect I'm saying show us a proor budget income expenses for a year just so people have an understanding of what it is that the COA gets in away of money and frankly at the end of it how little it is in terms of the town's overall budget so that they get a sense of what the COA does on a very limited budget and as I said I don't think people in town really understand that and laying it out for them I think would be a useful thing to do well I'll I'll comment on that Jack I agree 100% I think that when people in town see how little money is spent uh however it's spent and then they see the number of programs uh you know the fuel assistance you know things like that that people don't normally hear about when you put all that together it's it's you know not much money for a lot happening I think it's my opinion for what I'm aware of I was going to ask a question now you're going to love this one because I love working groups should one of the working groups pick this task of uh putting together the list of programs and you know with a with a a small description you know fuel assistant what does that mean uh you know mental health what does that mean I don't know and maybe that's already there I see two hands up already uh Josh you had yours up first go for it yeah it's an interesting question it's it is a common one that we we were faced with in Newton early on too you know and it it's kind of demystifying senior centers like what are they what do they do I don't think it's I don't think it's necessarily as much you know what are the programs offered um I mean to some extent it's that but it's it's more like what's a day in the life of the senior center like you know what what actually happens there and I think one of the challenges that we'll have to overcome in Maynard is I don't think we can really show day in the life of Senior Center because the current facility is so limited um we might however be able to reach out to one of our our neighboring communities to to work uh and possibly do like a video tour um to to help show people this is what a senior center should be um it's not what we have but it's what we aspire to be just a thought yeah no good good point good point excellent thank you Josh um Amy had hers up next unmute there you go I'm I'm unmuted I think there's no reason why you can't do a tour a day in the life of a senior center and use the mayard senior center that's what the community is aware of that shows its limitations it also shows what we're doing with a limited space it's often incredibly full of energy and activity and um you know showing the community I mean certainly you can reference you did you're going to do a great report on all the other um visits that you did I think that was my understanding that the the working group I did the visits was going to do a full wonderful PowerPoint and I think that sort of encompasses represents to the community what other options do look like but there's no reason why you know you can't do film our own senior center with people that people see so someone's going someone's GNA see Eileen palachi and someone's gonna see maryan Basset and uh that's that's really significant we don't have to go elsewhere and the limitations are important for the community to that can be absolutely part of it so that doesn't have to be you know just seeing the good the ugly the difficult of our senior center but what we're doing within that Senior Center what we've done for 10 years I'd be more than happy to work with Pat to provide a supplement of all the social services that we provide that can be added to Deb's wonderful FAQ I was just rifling through the FAQ quite quickly and that hasn't been fleshed out the social service piece so Pat and I can definitely do that and I also look through Deb's FAQ and there's just two the budget you know simply says the COA Municipal budget and then it says the formula grant budget you know the the dollar amounts but I can also just give a rough sense of what those two pots of money are used for I don't think you need to specific line by line you know what every dollar is spent on but I think it would be helpful to just show that you know that COA budget of whatever 180,000 this is the salaries and then the expense this is what the expense piece which is only like 30,000 what that covers and the same thing with the formula grant um we can put a little teaser in there flush that out too so that it's currently $15 per season uh senior based on the 2020 census so I think those two things that Deb's already started in the FAQ can be fleshed out and I think that will um you know then you can take from the FAQ and put it into your report as uh appropriate good excellent I I I I I like the idea I do I mean I agree with what Josh said that we could certainly do something at another facility that that has all the things we want to have but Amy I agree with you in doing it in the facility we have right now and then people can form their own opinions they they see what's going on and they see what we're doing with I'm going to say a limited budget because I don't know what the budgets of other the towns are so I I I can't speak to that uh but I'm going to assume that we get a fair amount done uh with not an awful lot of money uh and we're restricted in in some things based upon size of our community center um without my belaboring anything the next one in line was Linda you ready your hand up yep I just wanted to say I I really like this new thing that I think everyone got got the senior center and U Council and aging um thing it came in the mail I think this wait did everyone get that sorry it's floring on to everyone in the you're out of focus town right but I really I really like the format here it has a nice monthly calendar as a whole page devoted to all the social services and transportation services so I don't know if there's any way we can when we talk about what we're doing but really point to this because every month it's going be different um happening um so I just thought this layout was ter was very clear very and it you know it was always inside the action but I really like this and I think we should promote this because it was um really thank you Linda really really good you're my new best friend Linda thank you for saying that so that's the whole goal is to make it clean it's an every mailbox um you know more promoting the social services yeah and then and then the calendar I mean it's it's amazing the calendar is something we've been asking for the calendar for a while for a long time yeah like so every day there's like at least two or three things every day phys you know of in such a wide variety and real and you know linking to all different services and um and n and nice links with businesses in the community too so I thought that was very effective and um hopefully it'll get the message to the town of what what we're doing and what we could do even more of so maybe a bit of what we're trying to address right now is already is already addressed maybe we just need to get a small group of us together and uh you know take a look at it take a look at the budget take a look at all the different pieces and uh you know see if we can move some of that around into a presentation also I think it's worth looking uh deeper into it uh Jack you had your hand up um yeah let me kind of collect several things here um I agree with Amy the intent of my comment was not we break down every line item in the budget it was show where the funds come from and what they go to Amy's almost you know vocalized it here tonight in the sense of 80% or 90% is salaries there's only 30,000 for programs so forth and so on so she's almost captured it there in terms of you know how it works that works second Point um I also agree with me in a sense when Josh talks about demystifying I love that word in terms of you know let's demystify let's really show what's going on in the senior center but we should focus on what it goes on in our own and it's almost again the the division we keep having between the interim Senior Center and what we might get when we get to maal so at some point we might want to do two which says this is what we can do with what we have and then do another one which says if we had then you can show you know some other Senior Center so I see it as two separate things with the priority being given to this is what we have this is what we deliver this is what it looks like so forth and so on excellent now you're you're right you're right uh so Josh has his hand up I'm sorry didn't see you go ahead Josh that's all right no real quick um I agree and I certainly am not trying to avoid showing the current Senior Center I I just think and this is speak to what Jack was referring to you know we we have we need to do a few things with this we need to help people who don't Envision themselves ever using a senior center to better understand what happens in a senior center um the what I think we want to make sure we're we're careful of though is that with somebody who has no experience with the senior center has no idea what's happening there if we go and show our senior center and say this is all the great stuff that we do here and leave it at that some people may leave that saying well great sound looks sounds like it's working um so I think we do need to point out not only the the shortcomings but what we're trying to achieve with the interim location um and then eventually with the the longer term solution you're right you're right because somebody could walk away thinking oh well well that's good you're all set that looks nice you you everybody look happy right right right we'll put up a couple of people sad we we photo a couple of sad people in the corner um are there any other so one are there any other comments you know positive negative more questioning from anybody regarding the presentation the other night I'm not seeing any H come up or anybody screaming again Jerry yeah um folks that I have bumped into have generally been very positive I've heard no negative comments I've heard um there's a theme that um Chris actually helped deer us onto as we reviewed our slide presentation uh there's the the two or three comments that have come back to me is okay good presentation but you did in fact show whether you want to use the word empathy or understanding or something of the situation the town is facing so Chris was kind of cing us we went through this either the last meeting or the meeting before um and Josh kind of cap encapsulated it with the last thing we put on our slides which was key support we're here we want to work with you uh I've had good feedback on that saying okay you folks do understand what the town is going through and we appreciate in your presentation which you're asking for money that you did demonstrate that that empathy or maturity or whatever you want to call it so I've had two or three people you know push that back at us so thanks to Chris and so forth for the guidance good and and that's positive too I think I think that's very positive that uh that that was appreciated because it is we do understand you know the seniors need things but we also understand town has a lot of needs prioritizing things um I'm a little sensitive to time tonight and I I I just want to change things up just a tiny bit for a few minutes here and I I wanted to we can come back again but I wanted to move to social media because uh Josh I know has some information on social media uh that I want people to be able to hear um but Josh has a conflict he has another meeting to attend at 7:45 so we're at 7:26 now so I I'd like to take a few minutes if we could talk a little bit about social media um it it it has come up uh you I know you know I think we've all thought about it um you know Dan brought it to my attention I'll say three weeks ago four weeks ago maybe uh about social media and and how will the committee this committee handles Social Media um and and that's a slippery slope so I kind of want to talk a little bit about that tonight because I'll give you my quick thought uh the this committee uh is made up from various other committees and and and groups in town now when this committee comes out with something we try to have it go before the full committee then it gets sent out whether it's mailed it's broadcast it's whatever presentation of some sort same thing with social media if this committee is going to say something the committee is going to be full committee is going to be aware of what's being said and they are going to have voted on it and support it uh so we want to make sure that you know that goes in that direction do Facebook and people can certainly um voice their own opinion but not representing per say the senior senate committee Josh quick thing do you have uh I know you have some experience through the building committee uh before you even get on it so you've got some opinions on social media social media the benefits and the you know they're not so beneficial pieces I think go ahead Josh if you've got me yeah yeah please so um just a few things to to think about on this one first of all social media incredibly powerful tool so it's not a question of whether we should be using it we we have to use it there's no doubt about that the question is always how you use it um I I have I've worn many hats with respect to social media I have posted on behalf of organized committees um not here in Maynard but in my my job um and I've obviously posted a lot uh myself both professionally and here in mayard um The Challenge the biggest challenge when you're posting for a committee um is that often times it is a one-way communication stream what I mean by that is that if the committee is going let's say the committee said we're going to bless this uh this electronic flyer we're going to post it on social media okay so let's say we agreed we're going to post it on you know four different sub Pages at Facebook and Instagram and Twitter um the the challenge is not the posting we could we could identify somebody in the group to manage kind of getting that material posted and uploaded the challenge is watering the garden um what I mean by that is it's dealing with the comments that come back uh that that that come out of that post um it's that back and forth and that's where becomes challenging if you're speaking on behalf of the committee because you can't have a fluid conversation if you're speaking on behalf of the committee because you need the committee to bless the answers to the questions that were being asked that's why what what I've found over the years is that the easiest way to do this is that we may for example we may have a a web or a Facebook page for our initiative um and or we utilize a senior center focus group we we can discuss how that that works but um and maybe the committee has somebody that posts information that we all approve out but it's a one-way stream it's just it's just a data dump there um and then the the best way I've seen is where people within the committee and it can be outside the committee could be community members or other interested stakeholders use that information flow they grab that data and then they themselves become an advocate for it uh they post it they answer questions um based on their their understanding their experience they can direct people to where we have posted information um and that's that tends to be where you're a little more successful and that's quite frankly that's how I made hey with the green meal project um I did a lot of that where I was grabbing information from the project team they were dumping it out there I grabbed it and ran with it um did that over and over again so that's that's all I would just say buyer beware if we're if we're going to have the committee post material if it probably wants to be one-way communication or at a minimum uh if we're going to have the the the person or person's engage in dialogue it probably needs to be a lot of uh let me take that information back to the the committee and I'll get back to you um so it just understanding that I think is important Jerry can I comment please yes um I brought this up to Jerry because about two months ago I can't now immediately grab the example but there was a a posting on one of the various mayard uh friends and families or everything mayard one of those Facebook pages that's kind of general for citizens of mayard somebody asked a question about what's going on with the senior center what you know and you know we're the group that should answer the question really although we currently don't have an active social media presence but at least two of the key constituent groups that formed this committee have had uh a a very wellestablished social media presence that has been very well used in the past with great success so there was a bit of a question of should we reinvent the wheel and try to have a mouthpiece just for the senior center committee or would we say let's go ahead and do our deliberations as we do and let those existing channels that have hundreds or thousands of members let them do the social social media but only in the context of what the committee has actually agreed to otherwise those same people who are authorized to post on Friends of mayard seniors or the the focus group or uh I think the Council on Aging or or the senior center itself may have a Facebook account but I've heard it's not very active um if people want to post on there without having the senior center voted on it that they would have to be careful to say I'm not speaking on behalf of the committee I'm speaking only as an informed citizen but I think this maybe that's good enough because those channels already exist and they've got a lot of um they have a lot of people listening to those channels already we build a channel we don't have any followers at the moment they create a new channel so maybe it's not worth doing it but I just thought we should step back and say what shall we do uh uh I'm quite happy to use just the existing channels and not have a new channel for the senior center but I think we all just kind of Nod our heads together on this is how we're going to say it if it isn't something that was voted on by the committee you can't speak for the committee ises that right does that no Dan I think I think you're really right so I'll give you an example Jerry no offense I'm going to pick on the Green Meadow project uh just a bit so in the very beginning um and this this is how most communities do these projects it's not a knock on them but in the very beginning uh a Facebook page was established for the green medal school project and updates were dumped there and that's how you typically do it there's there's I'm not not knocking it but there was no following there's there's nobody that was paying attention to that and that's what I mean by watering the garden if you're not taking that and pushing that information to where people are well then really the only people that you're getting that information to are the people that are already aware with the about the project that have that that have L sought out that page so I think that makes a lot of sense Dan and you're 100% right on how it happened with the the school building committee exactly right yep I know it unfortunately I agree with what Dan Dan has said um I think if you know we already if there are places out there that are already um giving information out and the committee agrees that if we have something to say and it goes on the media that way um you there are already people out there that are paying attention to those different websites so why reinvent the wheel and start another one no I I agree yeah I just sort of need a little bit of Education um are there any restrictions because we are a public body of the municipality I mean we are officially appointed committee select board are there any Municipal kind of restriction rtion that that places on a committee such as ourselves I don't I don't know I'm looking to be educated yep I don't know I I'll say a few things I did ask that question once um and I can't remember whether it was Greg Wilson or Stephanie Dugan or even Greg Johnson uh it was about a it was very early on um uh when the committee had just been formed and I said what are the what is the town policy on this and they didn't really have one that governed this um but I would like to yield to Stephanie if Stephanie wants to speak to it because I believe Stephanie is human resources for the town and um maybe would be the best person to take this further so uh we have one Facebook page for Town Hall and we do push out things that are um important every couple of days we'll do two or three but that's mostly per Town Hall business and I'm not sure how I mean we could always ask but I do know that the best practices are with the social media piece itself is to direct people to the town's website where we have a page and the information and the fa q and they can ask their questions and if there's a question that they ask that's not on the FAQ Deb could certainly come to us and we we go ahead and add that or are you adding them yourself at this point I'm not sure but I think that that's we that's where our our information is housed our minutes I think are there we have the YouTube channel you can watch them so I think that's the default um just to sort of with social media here's where the information is what are up to well go visit this page you'll find out all about it that kind of stuff so I think that's the the best practice if you will sense Josh hand up Josh yeah so I know of three laws that we gotta we got to keep an eye on on this one um and I know I know Stephanie knows these as well probably would have gone right there if we if we' gone down these roads but I'll just mention them quick uh open meeting law so what we do need to make sure of is that we're not deliberating as a ittee on a Facebook post so um just be careful with that uh we are subject to the state e ethics commission um I don't think we'll get ourselves into hot water there uh I really don't but very unlikely um but last and we're early on this but we do need to be careful from an ocpf standpoint uh office of campaign Finance because as soon as and if uh this becomes a ballot initiative um we need to be careful that we are uh doing exactly what Stephanie just said which is we can direct people to the town's website but we cannot be as a committee now as individuals you can but as a committee we cannot be putting out unsolicited information that could potentially influence uh a ballot question so we those are three that I know of there might be some others but those are the The Heavy Hitters that we'll want to be careful of I have a follow-up question then Josh uh with with regard to uh oh I'm sorry I have lost my place um give me a minute and I'll come right back to it no problem any other questions or issues regarding Facebook or social media in in general I do like the idea that uh if if if people through other and and to Dan's point of of utilizing the Facebook pages that are already out there you know town of main has got you know mothers of Ms and family and friends and you know a gazillion other things if we wanted to get some information out Dan you get your hand up yeah yeah it was the question of both Stephanie and Josh referred to the act of referring uh individuals with questions to the town website and I guess in context of our committee it would mean our committee page and the fact the frequently asked questions page that Deb rousel and um couple other people had pioneered is is is that also in play Josh that we would simply direct people to the committee's own fact page to handle any information it's protect against back and forth yeah it's always cleanest to direct people to the town website there's nothing wrong with directing them to a specific location on the town website so like our page you can give them a direct link there you don't have to send them just to town of mayard um but yeah that is that's always safer especially as a committee um I have a suggestion one of the working groups we originally set up was the FAQ group um so I don't think we even need to modify the the role that they were to play but basically uh as these things come in it gets directed to the town website and then the FAQ group is responsible for monitoring it and I don't know whe I come back through the committee or whatever to to respond so I mean I I think it loosly fits at least within what we already have that's just a thought yeah no I I I think you're right jack I think it does uh Chris you've got your hand up go for it yeah um as far as the social media piece goes I I kind of agree with Stephanie and and others that we should just direct our information to town hall let them post it on the town website because once we create our own page or we start to put stuff out there that's going to allow others to comment we're just um we're just we're just asking for uh you know it just invites misinformation and you can't and you can't um you can't combat that and nor you know once the misinformation gets out there in the social media it gets from it flies to all those sites that you've mentioned um Jerry and I can't keep track of any of them in my head I don't I don't ever respond to anyone I've never responded to any of those things but one you just it's just a series of misinformation after another it's just it it has the uh potential to um you know muddy muddy some Waters that don't mean muddying for the um you know as you head down the road of trying to find a suitable scor Center I just you I just I have problems with social media from that regard especially especially as we meet every other Tuesday night you know hearing about them and seeing them just the misinformation out there is just you know could be devastating to the to the um the mission that this group is on so so maybe the ultimate answer is we we stick with the web page we you know the town website uh we get the FAQ um and we get information back there if again as we said in the very beginning if individuals want to post something a comment on one of the existing social media pages so be it but that's it you I I agree with you Chris I I I don't want to see us in a in a he said she said situation uh we don't want to be there Deb I know you've got a good answer you're muted what I'm trying to think about is do we start putting new questions up on the FAQ or do we add like um Jack's PowerPoint do we put that on our website our town website I think we need to look at the FAQ because the FAQ was relevant a few months ago we've made a lot of Headway uh and I think there's things that you know that we've clarified ourselves I think maybe we need to take that presentation and some of that information now needs to go on as a question you know with an answer I think I think the FAQ page needs to be updated with some of our latest information I.E from uh this week's presentation that's my opinion okay Jack what do you think yeah I I'm sorry Chris Chris Y no go ahead Jack well the thought I was going to express is I don't we can decide to put it on the FAQ page I'm talking about the presentation but it is now a public document and it's part of a select board agenda so whether a pointer to the presentation is there or pull it over I don't know but it's it's already a public document posted right and and my thought on that was just taking a few of the Salient points out of it and put imposing them as a question with an answer that's all just so people who may not want to go look at a presentation but they want to go to the FAQ page and just roll through a bunch of questions and see what the answers are I was just saying suggesting maybe we convert a few of those things to uh questions and answers I don't know Chris so is so is is our FAQ just a completely manual process yes like and you know the only reason I'm asking is because you you know I've seen it where there are certain you know certain places where as you as you start to ask a question it tells you off to the left or to the right or somewhere um you know how many people have asked that same question and then you know as opposed to other questions and then as as as Deb or whoever else is charged with um adding the the the newer more current which you know you would assume in some cases that the newer would be the more relevant kind of goes to the top of the list and it's first thing somebody sees and I don't know maybe maybe Steph maybe Steph could ask one of the two Gregs if there's something that they know that does that work for you so that somebody's not um having to do it manually just you know just enter the question and the answer then then all those counting things kind of hit automatically so you have an idea of who's asking what and you know what kind of it might not be response but you kind of get a feel for what what's the um what are the questions out there in the community that we have you know that people are interested in good point Steph do you mean like um a search within the document kind of thing where you can type in something and it'll take you there kind of thing or give you options for it I'm not exactly sure because it are you using a Word document Deb I I will answer for Deb I actually under Deb's Direction I actually run the document I don't do anything in Deb asks me to do it uh but I basically control the document manually and when updates are made I go upload it in the manner that's prescribed in order to get it onto the town of mayard SEC page okay yeah so I'm not I'm not aware of anything but we can certainly poke around so yeah it would be not Cherry went dark Cherry's Frozen Frozen Frozen Hello Jerry okay well while he's Frozen I I guess I can say one thing about the website with the FAQ um Dan when you were on vacation there were a couple things that we needed to fix on there and so I went and talk to Greg Wilson and he and I went through and he fixed a couple of things and then um let's see I think initially when you clicked on the link or the question a document would download onto your computer instead of just open so what he did was he fixed it so that when you clicked on a question it just opened to the answer that way so I'm not sure if that has changed anything for you you're muted now yeah no what the two things that happened while I was away uh at least the one thing that I know about was simply the location of the link got moved from the body of the front page into the leftand um uh bar uh right near uh right next to the resources link but other than that the document itself it's just a word document it behaves the same way um and and it's just my job to take whatever inputs the your working group has and I incorporate them and create an updated document with an updated okay document date uh but it still opens a document now what Greg may have done that I didn't know about was the background functionality of the website where in instead of causing a download on the requester's computer it simply just opened the document on the requester's computer that would have been something you know the the the software that is available for committee people like me to use is somewhat complex and I know very little of it I know enough to do what I know how to do um there were things that I wanted to do and I said Greg how do I do this and he couldn't immediately figure it out and they didn't get done you know and it's okay okay okay there there's there's there's some serious complexities behind the scenes in that um that frankly a committee of of our situation doesn't really need to get that complicated okay thank you we're not building a school can anybody hear me I hope y oh good all right because I got knocked offline somehow everything I lost everything and then it just all came back I don't know how I have no idea what happened senior moment I I think my computer had a senior moment Jack we were yelling to you we were saying hello oh oh well I didn't hear you because it was all Frozen all right so I'm not going to be labeled the social media media issues anymore the FAQ maybe the FAQ group maybe we ought to you know get together have have a quick Zoom call at some point and just kind of you know walk through it give us some thoughts and uh report back to our next meeting I don't know could Jerry could could you or Deb remind us who is currently on because one of them was Liz jury who is no longer with us who is still on the uh fat committee so Mark kig is on it now and of Liz so now you had to ask me that question and tonight I I usually have the working group spreadsheet out I didn't hold on I don't remember also on it yes I I I think so but I don't remember I'm sorry well in interest of time can we just sort of hey F FAQ group would you get yourself together and come back with thought yep perfect shall do Jack we're on it um going back now presentation and where do we go the other thing dealing with real estate is um and I think Jack mentioned in the presentation the other night about 141 Parker Street and 141 Parker Street is certainly an interesting concept uh probably the best uh location that we have potentially available to us right now we are in a bit of a stuck situation where you know they're offering something we have no money uh when will we have money how long will they extend the offer we have not negotiated we don't have a a formal RFP at this moment but you know things certainly look good uh I don't know if Jack wanted to speak add a tiny bit for a minute um sure uh there's two pieces to what I want to speak to here so bear with me um one is how does the committee feel and In fairness we the committee through Jerry Deb and I got the input from 141 Park literally an hour or so before the Tuesday presentation so most folks haven't even seen what they offered outside of what I was able to get into the presentation and then read from um the emails haven't even you know seen the email but the the basics of what 141 Parker offer uh do show up on the slides and in effect it confirms that all of the costs of putting the building together so forth and so on are included in the rent except for the lease rate and utilities um and let me go off in details which I tend to do the um millon main offer and the square footage price had a fixed rate of $1.75 per square foot for utilities so you added that in and it came out to whatever the monthly rate was going to be the uh 141 Parker basically said there's your functional lease rate at $26 plus utilities and the body of it basically says the utilities translated as electricity are metered so it's not just some fixed rate if we were to get a thing in there we would pay whatever the meter said so it's a meted rate rather than some flat rate and there's a whole bunch of conditions in there in terms of they want a 15year lease and this escalation we cannot engage with them because as Jerry said we don't have a funding source but they clearly represent the one thing we were looking for that said all of The Upfront cost they absorb and they recover it in the lease rate so all of the big amounts of money up front the town doesn't have to deal with so it's kind of the ideal situation for us because all we have to do is is get a lease rate um everybody that I have talked to and any feedback come back is you know that just really looks like an ideal thing and yet task one um that we need to find a way to do as a community as a town certainly as a committee is um how do we go back to the um 141 Parker Street people and say we like the idea but there will not be money till at least town meeting so there's no guarant one one of the things that I have a fear about is there's no guarantee that that space will be available um you know by the time we get to town meeting and so forth so I was wondering if the committee itself given limited information would be prepared to say of the options available to us we the committee favor engaging with with 141 Parker um so literally it would be a committee position that would be part of a conversation with them that says you know we we have no money we can't engage with you but you are the favored person so forth and so on so part of it is are we the committee willing to do that is then packaging that as a message uh so forth and so on there is a second piece which is um and I don't really know how to do this but the [Music] umark from Kate Hogan at $50,000 plus the leftover which should be part of the Town budget I got that wrong on my Slide by the way um uh if you recall slide six down at the bottom possible offsets I talked about you know unused ear Mark at 175 I think the ear Mark actually got used and what's left the second 175 is actually the money that the school department put into the bucket so it's in the COA line item already but it's the 67,500 that is there is sort of undesignated except I think it's in the COA bucket in some fashion at least I hope it is I don't know if there's a way to apply that or designate it for this that could be part of the message I I don't think it you certainly can't commit it but um the fact that we might be able to have a communication with 141 Parker excuse me that says we're beginning to build the budget cushion that allows us to engage so there's kind of two separate things there the second part of what I just said about the you know 675 um I don't think could be part of the conversation but what I'm raising here is what are the feelings of the committee in terms of becoming an advocate for 141 Parker and a lot of issues there but that's I'll toss that out Amy you get your hand up you're on yeah so Jack I don't know if you got some of these emails that Greg sent to you this afternoon did you get the email that Greg sent let me see here yes I did did you get the one about asking Amy Loveless to consider proposing the COA endorsed an oper operational budget request for FY 26 that would capture the expected conservative increase to the general fund budget allocation needed to cover a move as such did you get that one I did okay good and then so that's something I suppose and then my other question is um apparently yeah so apparently uh K Hogan Greg spoke today um and she's this is what she told Greg today that she intends that the earmark of 50k 50,000 um be broadly defined as to its potential use she specifically mentioned the potential interim Lea space of 141 Parker so perhaps the 50k could supplement whatever the initial cost for the move may be but you and I can talk that through all that Jack presented so you've got that Jack I'm wondering okay so that was between Greg and I I'm also wondering this is a good point just to duvail on what you're saying Jack is has everyone seen that little sketch that you brought back you brought to my office that day that um the the uh company did the 141 of what a layout would look like no I don't no okay so that's important so there's a lot missing when all of this like goes out of the committee so Jack came into my office with a wonderful little mockup a sort of a layout of what could sort of go into this 5,250 square foot space it was really Nifty so I think in terms of us being able to endorse something we should all take a look at that little document that was Nifty and my boardjack is meeting on uh Tuesday so I think you know if my board could you know get a look at that little layout we can certainly uh we can give that to the chair to insert that into new business for our our meeting on Tuesday but I was really impressed with what Jack brought in from this company this little Nifty layout so I guess no one's seen it but it's um I think you could get behind endorsing the concept um so I think you all should see that yep we we can do that um the documentary is referring to let me kind of walk through because the the real estate working group or at least part of us have seen it um the we we engaged just a simple request with 141 Parker do you have I kind of went through this with the the presentation the other night um is there any space in the building they basically came back and said no the building is full but we would like to talk to you about the maybe building you a new building tearing down the old white house that's there when we went to visit with them they not only put that on the table they put renovating the existing building on the table and what you have seen in the slide in the presentation with the two orange blocks um was basically what they offered both at about 5,000 square ft um Amy and I had a conversation about what a senior center room partitioning and so forth and function would look like at 5,000 square fet that was given to them and they produced the sketch that she is uh referring to which basically lays out the existing building reconstructed or rebuilt on the ground floor uh I thought we had circulated that but clearly I have not so we will make sure we get that out but it is literally configured to look like a functional Senior Center and going back to what I had before um the 141 Parker people would you know build all that out and the town would pay for it as a function of lease kinds of things and again until funding is available you can't go negotiate with them as I said during the presentation the piece of paper they finally sent us last Tuesday at 6 o'clock said you know 15E lease and yada y y but that's before there's any kind of negotiation and as came out during the presentation um I think it was Lindsay that actually started it we could in negotiation you know pay a higher lease rate and less years or whatever but again we we can't negotiate you know any of those things but from a concept point of view um the layout that they have shown uh fits what Amy had kind of laid out as a need in terms of number of rooms and so forth and so on so I will certainly take the action item of getting that um that sketch in everybody's hands and apologize as I thought I had s of done that obviously didn't Jack can I also interrupt for a second this is Deb yep go Ahad um not only are did they give us a sketch of what they were do going to do um if we all get together but it's at no cost to us they're going to build this without charging us a buildout cost okay which every other place that we were going to look at would have cost us thousands of dollars tens of dolls hundreds of thousands yeah so they're taking a chance with us uh and I think if we just tell them you know what we have they know that we don't have any money right now but if Greg or someone can speak with them and say you know we're trying to get this on on town meeting or on the budget somewhere maybe they'd be willing he said it was going to take him anywhere between a year to 18 months to do it anyway at least the first time that we talked yeah and and if I'm Greg I would be very uncomfortable with that kind of conversation in a sense of um evidencing any kind of commitment without lease funding you know in hand which means a town meeting kind of vote going back to what I was trying to see if we the committee we have three options in front of us we presented those three options the other night to the town and repackaging what I've said are we the committee um comfortable and and I'm I'm perfectly okay if we say we're not and we may want to wait so and I'm making the distinction am me between us the committee and the COA um but are we the committee having looked at this comfortable saying all the three options available to us we the committee feel that the 141 Parker is the optimum for us the committee now the COA has to go through as Amy just L you know it has to go to the COA board and get their thing in terms of the COA having comfort with this in terms of getting back to Greg and saying yep we're okay with this and the email that um Amy referred to came out this afternoon Amy kind of read it I can reread it if you want because it's really quite positive uh this is from Greg quote I'm interested in the prospective interim solution potentially within the 141 Parker Street property I have asked Amy Loveless to consider proposing that the COA endorse an operational budget request for FY 26 that would capture the expected conservative increase to the general fund budget allocation needed to cover a move as such Senior Center committee can help inform the deliberation of the COA whether to Advocate as such and so that's the my comment of a second ago is and I I hope I'm being clear here what I'm talking about are we the COA sorry are we the senior center committee comfortable because the next step is if we the senior center committee is comfortable then we the committee are basically sort of in support of going to the COA board and say we the committee recommend or support you the COA board going forward with a message to Greg and yeah and Jack that's what you're looking for us as a committee to vote on tonight the the the moving forward knowing that the COA is the are the ones that are going to actually do the request and do all that it's a matter of just informing the COA uh that yeah we are supportive of this we think this is the best of the three options I think that's what you're looking for tonight right get approval from this committee uh to to be supportive of this option uh so COA can do what they need to do uh to move it forward correct yeah and and the as Amy pointed out the the senior senate committee some numbers of us have not seen the the layout yet so I'm and and that's valid I'll get it to you but the um point I'm really basing this on is what we showed in the presentation on Tuesday which is the great benefit of the 141 Parker thing is there's no upfront cost it's all Le costs and my my personal things as we the committee have gone through this most of us I certainly was I I sort of sense most of the other folks were with the mained Crossing in Mill and Main we were quite uncomfortable about going to the town and saying oh sure Pony up number half a million a million up front for a short-term lease and we were very uncomfortable about that so the the benefit of the 141 Parker is it it really does um produce a non upfront intensive manageable lease costs there's still a whole bunch to be negotiated in terms of do we want to commit 15 years are we comfortable with their escalation Clauses that's all to be negotiated and that negotiation can't take place until after a town meeting vote and if you notice what I just read from Greg it's okay we'll put it in the FY 26 budget if the COA is okay with it that budget gets approved next May Linda you had your hand up yeah I had a question because I understood that we would have to go to Springtown meeting get some money but then we would have to issue an RFP so I don't know would it be advisable for us to like name a specific response to the RFI or do we just have to state in general that we re commend someplace where we don't have a fit out cost where the lease is longer and we'll cover the fit out cost because then when we do the RFP anyone could come in or not come in um uh I I I like that way of phrasing it yes yeah and and so when we developed the RFP we would have to well for one thing 15 years is longer way longer than we had anticipated right and then not having anything that minimizes the the the buildout cost that the lease would include the buildout cost when we do the RFP rather than saying okay 141 Parker I think that's because other people could come in or drop out Point yeah valid very valid point so so Linda based on what you just said Linda it would mean that we are recommending to the COA board um I don't think I could phrase it the same way you did Linda uh well that that the structure of the RFP that we go to town meeting that we're what are are what we would recommend based on the RFI which was for information we go with the kind of the the higher lease cost the longer lease and um no no 500,000 or whatever amount it was for the fit out y yep yep and so that's what we're recommending so it would be an impact on just the operational budget but no wherever we were gonna get the the money for the fit out War yeah yeah and that seems consistent with Greg's email too right without without yeah without naming by by default 141 Parker fits but as Linda points out else might come along I don't believe we need to mention the least thing we we can but the least time and terms are to be negotiated so you you've really set the bar with uh our recommendation and support to the COA is that an RFP when issued would specify however the language gets wor that there's uh no upfront cost no basically it's a lease only kind of thing yeah so that's basically what we are looking to uh I'm still not sure how to how to how to make the motion on it 100% but that's what we would like to move tonight to have this commit have our committee uh vote uh to support that concept so that the COA board COA director can move that forward uh as per Greg's uh indication uh I think that's what we're looking for is there anybody I'm gonna Amy hold on half a second is there anybody here tonight on this call that would be necessarily opposed to that thought process no I I think there's support across the board Amy go ahead what what thought process are we what thought process are we thinking about right now so are we thinking legally that the next step is an is an RFP are we asking no not now no the next step is doing exactly what Greg said but just take out the words 141 Parker take take out 141 Parker from what from the budget pardon okay let me try I got lost in the Sol of this what what is what is the recommendation that you are putting forward um the recommendation is that the senior senate committee vote to support or move to the COA a recommendation that the COA board endorse an engagement with a potential lessor that does not require upfront um costs that it is a Lease Only um Arrangement so that's supp to recommend the COA Endor and engagement with a lessore um or least Arrangement I'm writing this down Jack a less or a least Arrangement that's with no uh what is it called The Upfront cost upfront yeah yeah no capital investment on pound yeah the capital investment uh I'm just writing this down so we're we get this right upfront cost or Capital Investments okay yeah am Amy don't don't write this down at the moment I'm going back to Greg's memo um so first to the group I've asked Amy lovas to consider proposing the COA endorse an operational budget request for FY 26 that would and now his that's his Lang would capture the expected increase to the general fund budget allocation needed to cover a move as such so I the phrasing might be needed to cover a move to a facility which does not require an upfront expense and only addresses uh lease cost or something like that now again for the group the line above it in in Greg's note I'm interested in the prospective interim solution potentially within the 141 Parker Street property Linda has correctly said eventually after town meeting in May approves the FY 26 budget which would have this money in it then an RFP happens but only then yeah so we're not we're not talking about hey we're going to jump into an RFP there is no money until town meeting right was that helpful Amy or did I just confuse things no I think that's I think that's pretty close I think um I think you know I um I think that I I'm I'm I'm guessing that we we need to get take a look at that what the layout looks like because my um so I mean Paul's on this call and MaryAnn's on this this meeting Paul and Maryanne but we need to be able to Paul especially because he's member of the committee Paul and I need to be able to present this coherently um to the to the rest of the board so that um we can move forward and I guess um I guess that's what the committee is asking us to do and um then on Tuesday we have a quick discussion about this proposed property and um and then the board would direct me to most likely get some numbers from Jack and um just put them into clear gov when I put the budget together which I my the budget is due like November 1st so my board is going of going to direct me they're going to say this looks Nifty and get the numbers Amy and stick them into the budget work with Greg on that I think that's how the flow would go I correct sort of is getting late I'm kind of getting goofy but I think that's the flow I think you've captured it yeah so Jack so I think after this you you're sort of you're you this committee can make make a vote to recommend that um Paul and I go back to our board COA board and then um Jack you'll work with me after the board COA board says yes or no you'll work with me on getting some numbers since you're sort of a liaison to this company in addition to whatever the 136 was we can get some numbers for the um what the utilities might be similarly to what this the numbers we worked up for in main building six or eight we've already talked to the select board in your presentation about that 25,000 we you and I took that from one of those spreadsheets for one of the mill and Main buildings and then we'll be we'll be good so Senior Center committee go ahead and make a recommendation for Paul and I to take some action back to the COA board yeah can I get a second on that motion second well I don't want to try to rephrase or paraphrase it we've gone too many times around this mury bush uh Linda you had your hand up did you take it back down again I did I was just going to say I mean the big difference to me for Parker Street is they came in with a 15-year lease which wasn't in the RFI if you remember the the original RFI was a five to sevene lease so I think we should anticipate the possibility with an RFP that you know Maynard Crossing could come in with a 15year lease or Mill and Main too so there would be potentially some competition but there'd also be money that would be a build out for them well but if they did a longer term lease and if the RFP was structured such that it had to be leased you know and in 15 years they'd have a longer time to amortize the buildout cost so um I think and that would be good if we had more options I think that's a risk we take yeah no it's a risk we it's a risk we take by waiting right that the places may come in we may find more places we may find someone else moved in in the meantime but it is the time is a risk for sure yeah Dan you g to hand up you're muted Dan thank you before we vote on this motion would someone please restate it oh I was afraid you g to ask that I'm not going to do it because I've messed it up three times already we can't vote without there's been so much talk I couldn't I I couldn't identify a motion so I'm sorry I we can't we know what the motion is I identified what what Amy should yeah Amy we Clos caption um so the recommendation of the senior center committee is for the uh the the senior cental committee is recommending that the council and aging board um review um the uh the submission from uh the 141 Parker uh proposed uh buildout space um review that and uh and and and uh direct the council and aging director to to I I it's a hard motion isn't it you're do we need to vote on this I mean I think I know so it's a hard one you want the council and aging board to review this and uh um maybe we don't need a vote Endor yeah it's a hard one I can't come up with it I told you it's getting late does does anyone on the committee have any objection to this general idea no not me I think we're good yeah yeah I I mean I'm good with that I I don't know that we need a vote I like to have a vote for things like this but I I mean Paul and I understand Paul and I understand that we're gonna I got it take it back and we're gonna bring present it to our board and then if the board um you know authorizes me to work with Jack to you know prepare some numbers to put into my budget and then um we go from there and all the information will be shared not just with the council and aging board but with the senior center um committee um all right Jerry go ahead Jack um I I like where we are on the sense of you know that there's there's sentiment rather than a vote and so forth and if you as chair are comfortable uh I will forward the email we got from 141 Parker to the entire committee that lays out and it it'll give some of the information Amy that that you've heard been looking because that email included their terms included their offer and attached to it is the sketch we've been talking about good yeah everybody on the committee will see it and then I will be at your COA board meeting on Tuesday or whenever to you know help structure kind of things and the sentiment that we've expressed is we want to go forward with uh we recommend to the COA board that they in turn tell U Amy or whatever go engage with Greg who um I'm not trying to propose motion here that a more generalized non 141 Parker Street specific thing that limits uh what you engage Greg to do to only no upfront cost kinds of things so again I'm just restating some of the things so the key point is I will forward that to everybody it's a it's technically a response to an RFI I don't think there's any particular sensitivity about the information but I don't know that I would spread it all over hell and God yep I think we're good I think there's consensus that uh this is the the right move forward at this moment y uh maybe we'll see something better who knows um so you good with that Dan I think you are there was no vote so there's no Motion makes the minutes easier um I don't want to extend this meeting any longer than we absolutely have to uh I think we've done we're done talking about that piece uh I think that looks good I think we covered social media be well I think the FAQ committee working group I mean we might get together we May chitchat a little bit and figure out how we can do the FAQs a little better or a little more modern um I will follow up with the members of that committee and establish a time we can get together um the other thing that I wanted to mention here tonight this is on the agenda on the new business presentations are UMass for and aging in main uh presentation will be made on 10:15 and on 10:22 I think 10 15 select I think and 1022 was at the library uh in the after noon I believe I didn't make note of that three to five three to five okay so you know that might be easier for some people who aren't working uh to get to that um but I was just going to encourage people to uh attend if you can certainly listen read documentation because we want to see where that study has gone versus where we think things are is there anything different drastically different a little bit I don't know going to be interesting um but I think a lot of people in town might be awaiting the arrival of that versus what we've uh put forward and say oh good there's a match I see it fits then this is the right direction so I I I feel good about it but I just want to mention the dates if people will in fact have the time to go to either uh or zoom in on the select board meeting that night anyway I don't have anything else are there any is there anything else anybody in the committee has go ahead Jack um I guess this is a question for Amy um is there value in US the committee coming to the senior center or wherever and walking through our presentation for the benefit of seniors um I'm perfectly willing to do it and just just as the school committee payment and so forth and so on so that any seniors that are really interested in where we are would have a chance to see and interesting idea Jack yeah that's an interesting why don't we um talk about that offline in terms of maybe somehow um especially I think that would be a great idea Jack because after they've Caitlyn coil's done the presentation and the studies come out I think it' be a great time to to um to also have you know all the work that this committee's done come to the Forefront as well because I think there's going to be a buzz and I definitely think we need to make sure that you know this what you know because not everyone in mayard listen to your presentation on Tuesday no so I think it's important it's it's equally important to get that information out and so I think we should whether it's at the senior Center or elsewhere definitely get that out so we should talk more about that how to do that yeah absolutely I think it'd be good and I think one of the key things you just said too and was elsewhere I I think for something like this and you want to get a bunch of seniors I think no offense to the senior center but I think maybe you know even the big room the down hall Town Hall downstairs or you know something like that that you know can can hold a number of people and has got good video and and audio and uh and you could even do it as a zoom too and have other people zoom in that same time yeah there's no yeah there's no reason that's absolutely true it's a good idea and free coffee to keep us awake oh I like that yeah Paul you get your hand up yeah I just wanted to mention that uh the friends of mayard seniors and the COA will be sharing a table at mayard Fest on Saturday so okay there'll be information lots of information being handed out and I think Peg is going to work the crowd do you think she knows how to do that I think so a well skilled yes so so that's going to be interesting at manifest and then our next meeting is the 17th 17th so we're the 17th so I think there's going to be some interesting things to discuss on the 17th one uh manifest how was it you know any good question any interesting facts come in do we find something out new that we were unaware of yeah um uh and the other is the presentation will have been made by UMass to the select board on the 15th so y I think we'll have some things to discuss on on our next meeting the 17th and our next meeting on the 17th if I am correct I believe is a hybrid meeting I think we were September 5th was hybrid 19th was was it the 19th yeah was Zoom this one is zoom and then I think the 17th is uh hybrid unless somebody has a record differently but I believe that's what it is so um if there are no other issues amongst the committee members there any uh non-committee members on this call tonight that have any uh burning issues or questions without belaboring uh previously stated issues because it's now 8:30 so we've been just over an hour and a half Maryanne I think you just unmuted Maryann Shields I did yes and I am going I am going to repeat something that I have said before I am so pleased that so many of you have such dedication to this task and uh on behalf of anybody I'm legally allowed to say it for thank you so much for having moved so quickly to get this far toward what we need thank you yeah you're welcome thank you very much for for that compliment and I'm sure you definitely want to compliment the uh the present Clerk of the uh of the uh of the committee right Dan anyway I'll stay off that no offense Paul didn't want to eliminate you but I thought maryan might have a more personal recommendation um I guess if there is no other new business at this moment I would entertain uh a motion to adjourn if somebody would so desire I'll make a motion to adjourn um the meeting at 8:34 than okay who seconded that St okay thanks St uh by a roll call uh let's see we got Mary is not here Paul yes Max's not here Jack yes maryan Basset yes Deb yes I'm a yes Josh is already gone Dan yes and I need to ask who seconded this motion I didn't get it down Stephanie okay thank you Stephanie did yep um Amy absolutely yes I thought so you you indicated it was getting late Stephanie I sir that's what I thought good and Linda I assume you do even though you're a non-voting member yeah I thought so and Christal Silva you probably want to end up too huh it's okay by me all right perfect thanks folks we had a great meeting I think