##VIDEO ID:_mJzgx4z_ms## e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e Rudy here pres Vice chair Francisco Franchesca here secretary Esther Cen here Miguel Martinez member preso here on order of business are there any additions or deletions to this agenda anybody else anything you SE goco eser no U no order of business no Solutions we'll move over to public comments kep we have aoup gent we have two um future members danello Mont do you have any words to say no happy to be here and thank you for having me on board looking forward to helping you guys out thank you for volunteering Edwin or you have any words to say um thank you for being here thank you for having me here allowing me to be here today uh I know it's an exception uh and I'm my all my free time can be invested in however you guys want to help all the team um please remember you both have to visit the clerk so you can sign the documents and take the oath so you can be actual an actual member of the next meeting okay okay we really appreciate it who brought you in who who brought you in him no who appointed youb [Music] Ed okay thank you we do have a clarification for the adoption of minutes we also have the December six minutes that were available at the last meeting but now printed in time is there a motion to approve the December 6 2024 meeting meting minutes I second okay well you didn't have a motion I'm sorry motion to approve the men second December 6 yeah I wasn't I wasn't here so I don't know if it's appropriate for me to second but I'll second second TR [Music] I I yeah you can tell it okay I second all in favor hi um the next minutes is January 8 2025 um this a special call meeting so I want to uh clarify if this is assess January 8th was a special call meeting that means this meeting is your regular monthly meeting right that's what I told the the for the purpose of the record clarification and January 8th was called as a special no no as a regular meeting so because if you guys remember we set the date for this meeting at that meeting therefore this isn't the regular this is the special call meeting I just for the record to reflect because that's the way it was if you look at the tape it was I remembers it the same way so you can't reverse special calls to regular meeting just because you want to so January 8th was the regular monthly meeting because we were supposed to be in Tallahasse at the end of the so this is now a special call meeting I just want to make sure for the record because that's how I also noted it so that the record is as up to date as possible moving forward what are our new days because we were supposed to be the third month can we discuss that on the new business we can go the okay so on the january8 um minutes I do have a clarification I'd like to make um it said um the January 8 let me these were ones I have to do like in a rush it was I the minutes reflected that the December minutes right being prepared by the secretary those minutes were prepared prepared were prepared and submitted it was just that the copies were in made because I was on vacation got you so I just wanted to clarify those minutes were submitted time be good there any additions any corrections to the issues discussed they go Point by point that I mean is there a motion to approve I motion to accept the minutes accept minut no I wrote it no I didn't I didn't I wrote him awesome I wrot good job is there a second [Music] okay now a regular order on business um Mr chair meetings turned over to you old business any public comments anybody else okay I think last time we we had a a letter for the municipalities and so forth I don't know that was coming along I think even Was preparing a letter to them or something like that all the letters for the municipalities were by has noted in the January 21st meeting last I spoke to him there was only one response any response one response from mamore um that's it he was pretty uh taking them back but the lack of response and it went out via email and snail mail so they got but he said he's going to follow up um further with it okay anything else on that anything before we move on to the next topic I just want to show what um what was put together to compliment his letter to the to the municipalities um we basically that like [Music] the it was the same thing that yes yes yes it's the same so you could pass it around for everybody to see this was very good in t hospital I'll get to that no no the one that was given to also was a little bit different than that I have the stepen the the one that I made for stepen was the same one that he printed for tah thing do you have this yeah I need the cover oh no it's just that that has a cover on it h it's the same I didn't see the cover I can't say it's the same thing right so the idea was for it to be printed like double-sided right so it one sheet like a it was no big deal one sheet piece of collateral and what we did with this one is that we broke it down by stages showing the um kind of like how things are affected per stage of you know the source of the problem the conduit of the problem and the recipients of the said problem um we kind of took a different angle in how we portrayed it uh different to a lot of the collateral we have online so I'm glad you brought these printed so that way we could show it to everybody [Music] um the uh it's worth mentioning though this was not a bab document this is a Fresca document um she created this you personally and sent to or allowed uh U councilman herberg and and Rudy Blanco to take on their trips um for their use we can adapt it as a bab um piece of collateral if we decide to go that route um well then we have to have a clarification if you're saying it's a Franchesca document then it should not say Miami Lakes blasting moment but you just this is what was handed at at the council meeting correct and that was an insertion of the display of what was given to the city of Maramar Steven herur and Rudy I'm just saying if we're going to use Miami Lakes blasting then we have to consider it a blasting document so we going to incorporate or approve this today we we'd have to approve for incorporation to our bling motion to incorporate Fresa's document right into the bling Advisory Board the Lakes bling advisory presented in presented in December 21 202 December 21 204 did you get to look at before Oh I did what do you think great me 100% of the credit you know you know I look at everything so there's a motion to P incorporation second by Miguel first all in favor all in [Music] favor I'll have um it added to the website are you guys okay with that yes do we have to vote on that no to add to the website that's our website put a motion on it just making sure so you're saying we do have to put a motion on it why would we have to put a motion it's our website we we have to do a motion every time we're going to ask to the website P um I don't need a motion but if I you know if I have direction from you guys put it on the website okay just this is the one that you last as long as you give direction she'll do it and we well going back to M day public heing which was very good that was a baker store too eventually what I had in in talahasse was a very good public human that was held by the Miami day delegation of um Senators representatives from the state of Florida uh Stephen herb spoke at that very well I think that's on tape it's on video it's and it was very good I thought it was excellent so that everybody remembered it when I went the week after that's a good which I'll get you right now but it was very it was very good I know Miguel was there too and everything else is one of those impromptu things that came out of nowhere flash we're having a mi day delegation meeting boom I told everybody looking much like good let's go and and and we and we went that day War morning I anybody else questions that was very good I I thought it was well received yeah um had it was even an ovation afterwards after after councilman Steven Herber presented so it was well received it was good keep shaking the truth anybody else anything else any questions no moving on to item C my with the great Miami Chamber of Commerce or everybody that knows G we are part of the is a part of the gami Chamber of Commerce and U I'm part of the government Affairs Committee of that chamber most part of the international committee and the real estate Committee of that so I um took it upon myself to and I'm with with the board too we need as much of us we can and Lobby and at least on that angle on that leg of our efforts to try to get tassi to respond to us to have some type of a uh initiative with us and to get you know know our plight as to what's going on by engage the government Affairs coming to the general of the good Amendment chamber and they were very receptive to it they just still waiting on a bill which I'll get to that now either a Cate bill or or a house bill which still has not emerged but other than that I still went on that trip I had to go but at the same time I piggybacked on that and I also managed to spread the word to a lot of different um legislators not only from day County but from Broward and the West Coast as a matter as a matter of fact plus I also took the advantage of try to meet with uh and met with Daddy psh who is our new speaker of the house and he was very receptive to uh our plight and everything else he got all these I start like around 40 of all these different um Chiefs to all the different representatives and different people that I met along the way Janet nun rce Governor everybody who I could get a hold of and I went for those two or three days I covered very well and I told him about a plight besides whatever I did also went of Handy chamber so the idea was to set to foot many people knew it the do the day delegation knew it already because the week before we had just done this U public hearing so it was very good very very well receiv received they know what's going on they're just waiting for Tom forio and and Brian AA to present their bills and that's really where we at but everybody else pretty much I talk to n up there when I was up there and and and so forth and I'll give you an update as to where their bills are but I was very good I was very receptive of everybody and I try to get as many people as I can to be a part of our our cause and and everything else because the gami chamber has a very big pool and Tallahasse it always has for aund something years it is the leading Chamber of Commerce in the State of Florida so I did that and uh it was very well received at the same time so than anybody else any question any feedback uh did they did you receive any feedback from especially from the on two Representatives Adam bana and who's now very very powerful House of Representative from the Orlando area they were very concerned when I talked to them about it because they're stting in the west coast now what you thought about Lee County um the Bonita Springs area called C Coro all they're starting to feel some of the effects of it too any any any uh so feedbacks they we going to get back with Stephen I gave him Stephen's number you know my number too I don't know they've called Stephen I gave Stephen information too because he was the the ones that gave out most of these letters and um we still trying to find out who the new um um well State Fire Marshal is and CFO that's as you know Jimmy Patronis has left that CA you will be out of there I think in April so we have another person in mind they'll probably be Joe gutters but we still don't know that you know that stood up in the air so I turn about as many people as I could and get back to them remember we're in the early stages of committees and everything else but we reading those bills you know and so forth to really show ah there's something we can vote on or approve or discuss or go to committees go to other other activities and so forth so everybody was still what about the for Myers um raml was was in serving that area and he's turned out I think he's turned out he's one of the ones that's turned out in there you got to see who the new people that are coming in is you know will be and everything else area Point as those time to feel the effects and then I talked to very big very big for us Mike Rondo mik very very very various times he was my companion in the in the airlines coming back so he was very stic because he's a representative down south the candle Homestead so and he was like no no no something that definitely has to be done about this whether county level state level you know and so forth but Mike Rondo I told stepen too and that he very in and and he knows very well got to work together gotta got he killing us in Northwest State and eventually he might go to your Mike Rondo is very very influential person he he representative I met withas you know Moro Moro and everybody else but I think Mike randoo was very good and believe it or not our Democratic friends east of us here are very receptive to Miami Gardians um sha Hayes you know from they that's exactly what she said and they were very acceptive too so I set the stage you know they were like like wait we're okay okay we have a bill we have anything left so that's where we are so Miami Lakes where we later on go the doors are open the the seeds have been really well planted for this year and uh and and that's the idea that was my idea on the trip door well never to call Angel again but anyway that's another that's another that's another story any other questions anything El thank representing no you're welcome you're welcome anybody else any else that we move along uh we good the council meeting how was that how was the committee reports how was that I haven't been able to see the the replay well and um the only item that was not discussed in public was the attorney report which is what we discussed in Sun right right and I have that later on we'll go back that's same that's and they bed up last income the attorney the attorney um made mention yes um that in in uh in a roundabout way he's he's quite impressed with the work that we've done um and the efforts that have happened the knowledge that that we we've all learned and and and expressing uh he's appreciative of it um and we'll be following up further with what what they're doing I'm glad that was the nerv you don't work got a couple hours notice I appreciate it though a little bit of time to mentally prepare everybody's back okay thank you guys thank you for that you recover next item action items these are some of the action items that were left from The reling Advisory opinion of 2024 that that we did um I know that we're still trying to get other Ministry palities involved I know stepen trying hard I'm trying hard with dado matter of fact that looks good D now that we don't have an incinerator issue at Le for another who knows when is it's not going to go today I think now the rounds come down and maybe even mirror bars come down and maybe they can focus on blasting which is kiding us I mean by the way for public comments I should have put I'm sorry we had two blasts for today 11:22 and 1:22 in the afternoon anyway should have put that from the beginning but anyway but I know you like me to note that yes please can I can you repeat it please yes it was 10:22 and I at 1:22 in the afternoon yeah I anyway okay I yeah and uh so I know we're trying to get more municipalities involved I I'm trying to get Bo and some other one involved but Miramar and I think D will be our main allies in this cause any word with higher Gardens that was another one it's very odd they don'ts correct go through because if we feel it they have to feel it it's a natural oh they have a B I have many friends that live there it's B the new construction homes my house in PSN absorbs the the blasting better than new construction yeah but our houses in PSM were made in the 60s conru much more Vi new construction it's better it's hard it's it's more sturdy but that that's also my point that you would think that there would be more involved and want to right well the the community is but not not the government Representatives people that account the representatives are they're ABS it's hard to like you mentioned two blast today yeah at least that I know of yeah I was I fa the two of them that I know that I know of but I think it's hard to be there that this GL is that do the municipality involvement I think it's a continuous thing I think it's got to be I think it's got to be done you know on a alltime basis not only us the representativ here too the council people here too and the mayor he had promised me he was going to talk with all the municipalities and everybody else so that goes lobbying efforts I know that we need to um meet with our lobbyist I from Eddie Gonzalez from William mcra um but that's who number two number and some of the other ones going to do that for I'm sorry um regarding municipalities the um the mayor of mar blasting Advisory Board is going to be presenting to their Council um and they're working on a presentation and um with Franchesca and I had gone to a meeting there um and and I provided them the presentation that we did when we went to the workshop in Tallahasse um they're how are they you know are they prepared are they organized they're not prepared enough um and they acknowledge it and because of of falling or being far back as they are they have new members and one new member in particular stated that we should focus on what their goal is and I would agree to them so you know to kind of like to hone down to and we're we're pretty broad because we're covering everything these people have a specific task is let let's focus on to that so that we can achieve that a single task that we're assigned to do um and so uh I I mean obviously I told them we'll help as many any way we can and we've reiterated numerous times team up with us come to our meetings yeah we've gone through theirs yeah do you know when the workshop's going to be and I I sent um George Solus Solus um Solis uh I asked him when is it he hasn't responded though so but I know it's next month it's soon but it's soon yeah I think it' just be nice to have the DAT because we've attended but we all have a calendar right right of course of course I'll find out what it is huh well we were there they didn't know me3 no so we provideed some assistance where we could um they they were concerned of the lack of time between the the the presentation date and and that that day and we reminded them that you can call another you know special meetings in between um there has been notifications you there a procedure but you can do it so I think they were had a bit of an eye opener and they were going to start uh responding that fashion um I said we helped we could anybody else anything else that matter okay the State Fire motions I try to get with the State Fire Marshall so I try to get to the CFOs but when you guys go no angel number one number two I don't know if you guys know or not when you go there now hope put in February March everything's restructured they've changed everything the governor has right or wrong the governor has decided to even the entrances the capital everything's torn apart so when I when everybody's still moving in you could imagine people were still boxes people that type of thing was going on so I try to get to the um Chief Financial Officer offic but they were they have moved to another location not in the capital and uh I still try to get into he wasn't there and everything else all that I know is Joe BR be the one I Mayan have to rec call Jones I out had an update what what happened with the uh title graphs is that Salon is that complaints you know are still getting the complaint reports that website doesn't have it anymore they don't have it anymore what happens is they have a new website but the the original website still operating and it has up toate uh official reports not the complaint reports no put it today because they had session today yeah that's another this week they're all off for something else they're doing immigration policies they're doing immigration policy for for the governor and everything else in the special session that they have okay anything else on that so I'm still work with I'll try to get an update from the Chief Fire Mar's office as to what are they doing with all these machines any updates on complaints any complaints we have I don't Le something complaints we have last was thousands yeah follow with that any questions anything else all of May County Flor League of cities and may I think Sten her was going to do that he was to follow up um so um mayor Steve is gonna follow up with mayor Cava and Josh is gonna follow up with okay all right I forward me an email uh from the county that the county is looking at grading um um regulation for blasting um so the the the email was from the the chief uh structural plan reviewer and uh and I called her she had her number there I called her and spoke with her um I know her and um she was a little bit taken aback uh just for lack of information lack of knowledge um and she be she be she played devil's advocate well in California is this that and this I said California you're on east or west of the Sand's fault so the code complies with with seismic activity ours don't it's also primarily Wood Construction there ours is not ours designed for rigid and we got into a higher end um conversation on it that she was uh again she was taken back with with information and I think she need time to to absorb and assess uh when I was presenting her um but I gave her my my contact information so I any questions that was uh um Lundy you interacted with maybe I can look it yeah um wow her first name is Lundy Lundy l u n d y okay that she's got the whole it's okay she'll have it before I finish when I out maybe time not but no sometimes God is one okay you have three forms of communication so that's that was good thank you it was um I was kind of Blown Away by by the email the initial contact and they're actually doing something that but I I would suspect that it's the mayor um initiative to the to at the county level uh to the billing department level to do something to enact this so that shows our effects we're doing you know what we're doing is is moving moving the needle we and I was tied to that and I think I sent you some of that information oh clar Clark Clark for whatever reason that's God sometimes God provides you the things that we don't know he does the corl GES town hall is falling apart guess what I got to and Douglas oh really the structural engineers who are doing this stuff it might be the blast because of the new constru the new condos being built I don't know if you've seen corrugators lately guys it's all of condos the pile driving that's the pile driving but still it causes because that building has been around there for what almost 100 something years when I presented about Surf Side the same thing well exactly now that I think get triggered also what you're talking about that can you get some type of blasting not just Dynamite blasting yeah wow so that's why I gave you those two names wow dou wood and in the future we might need these ex you know I don't know whatever but very important because portal Gable's town hall is falling there cracks everywhere you know and I've been in that piece I don't know some of you have been I'm sure you've been that and it's falling apart it's sinking it's just just bad how could that be well it's a blasting of all the condos the new area the new hotels and all the new condos that have been actually built in the power blasting everything sure Douglas W and Peter IG the structur engineers for cor Mr chairman go ahead go ahead you mentioned visiting the State Fire Marshal on three yes fire Marshall's office can you elaborate as to what is the rationale of Consulting the State Fire Marshal well they the on complaints they're the ones that have as you know they're the ones that are responsible for the blasting issues you know the state the CFOs are CFO is a part also of of the State Fire Marsh I just went we try to get some more information try to get some feedback what's going on hey how we doing that type of correct me if I'm wrong but I I believe that we were already past past the issue of the blasting and the fire marshal in terms of getting compensation for the homeowners of Miami Lakes for the damage they've suffered from the blasting I don't where's the connection I was try to see follow up with them you know because I haven't heard from them in a long time as to what's going on with the U the seismographs that the 23 seismographs we also have a new Fire Marshall and we haven't been in contact to do also trying to find out commun the benefit of all the people that are watching us and the people that may watch us in the future I thought that we were already pasted the issue that the reason this damage is occurring and the reason people in Lami Lakes are not being able to get compensation for that damage is because there's a state statute correct that is impeding preventing stopping homeowners from being able to properly Sue in court to the people that inflicted the D damage on their property and getting compensation that's correct we we don't Lobby to get people compensation though like let let's make that clear like we're we're not out there fighting for talk about getting lobing at all our purpose in tahi while lobbying is to advocate for a message and have a larger buyin of awareness so Rudy going out there and and trying to make contact with these people the ultimate goal is not necessarily to check off a compensation box it's to build awareness and a following so that if given opportunities in the future they invite us to a workshop again our pres exists there so that's I I necessarily understand your questions because that's not our purpose of love what you're looking at the problem is multifaceted and you're you are uh focusing on on one one of the facets it is only one of the facets um that's the only facet that care that that concerns us no that's not true that is true that is not true I don't care what the mining companies do I don't care what the blasting companies do all I care is that if they damage my property and this is what the people out there uh understand if the blasting companies manage their damage their property they want to know if they're going to be compensated for that damage they don't care why it happened they don't care because it happened all right but it's not the only issue because the the issue excuse me excuse me the issue remains that if the compensation and we're made whole all of us our properties are corrected the issue has to stop because if the issue continues then what we're made whole the property is damaged again so it's it's a multifaceted multi-prong approach to what we're doing so only focusing on one item it it's it's insufficient so that's the point so we're not just advocating or we're not advocating for to be made whole we're not advocating to be get paid we're advocating for a problem and find a pro a POS plausible solution for this major problem okay I have a question for you do you think that the blasting defendants that have inflicted damage on the properties of Miami Lakes homeowners would be inflicting that damage if they had to pay for it I don't follow your your logic there do you think that they would be inflicting the damage that they're inflicting now if there was a way that home owners could be compensated for that damage and the blasting companies would have to pay for the damage you think they're going to continue damaging I would expect not but you can guarantee that I can't tell you either way but I would think it'll be profitable for them that point I would think I would think it's less profitable yes yes yes so that's what concerns the homeowners of Miami Lakes that at present and for the last years they haven't been able to get compensation for the damage that they've suffered once people in this city in this town get compensation for the damages that they're suffering I assure you the damages will stop I would expect so I would expect so because at that point it's not going to be profitable to damage people's property right now it is profitable because you can get away with it right and why can they get away with it because of stard Statute the statute protects them because there's a statute that protects them and the statute's based on uh unrealistic items it's based on not unrealist itic guidance it's based on unconstitutional the basis of of the of the legislation is unconstitutional but the base of what they're based on is unrealistic two different things but it's still the same the same issue obviously we're in agreement but understand that that the basis of what the legislation is is has been created from is incorrect so no incorrect assumes that it's a mistake it's not a mistake oh it's intentional it's intentional so it's not incorrect it's not incorrect these people have created a statute that protects them from getting sued and in essence gives them immunity from having to pay for the damages that they cause we take away that statute and we don't have to worry about anything else in this board because the board is not here to regulate the mining industry to propose regulation for the mining industry the board is here to protect the homeowners of Miami Lakes and to ensure that if they suffer damages they will be compensated for those damages there's going to be a mechanism a way that they can take this case to court and find people who cause the damage responsible and make them pay for it once we do that once we do once we settle that issue there's nothing else to talk about because they're not going to continue damaging if they have to pay for the damages that they cause and I would think that the objective of this board at as it relates to our duty our responsibility Our obligation to the homeowners and the taxpayers of this town is to make sure that when blasting defendants inflict damage they will have to pay our people our residents our homeowners for the damage they cause at present they can get away with it I think it's really important for us to look back at our mission because we're um in a way your your opinion is overextending in what the mission of this board is and as passionate as it's not a question of mission it's a question of what the people out there expect of us we're we're a committee that serves a specific Mission and that mission was um allocated or assigned based on the need of the town and that that's what makes us sit here today um and our mission makes no mention of ensuring compensation for anyone um I'm not saying that we don't obviously advocate for that of course people are affected their homes are affected um but in order to come up with a robust plan to execute all facets of the things that are being are happening in the background um I don't think that the right approach to take is for us to criticize as much as it is to lend the help hand and how we can execute it more effectively I think each one of us has an area of expertise that allows us to be efficient in the areas that we are efficient right I'm not an attorney and I'm definitely not a seismic uh scientist over here like Miguel so so now that you've expressed that opinion like how can you Aid us so that we can properly address the community in those areas and in the need that you're saying because you know it's been mentioned in the past and previous meetings your approach is a little more different than the traditional approach of reaching out to the cfo's office like we've done in the past or like what has been discussed in the past but like what would you like to do so that we could take that different approach there was a letter that was discussed at one point that I can't remember the exact topic but I remember it being in in a set of minutes where we discussed that you were going to propose this letter to certain official ISS that we were going to Target as part of this multifaceted communication plan and we have yet to see that it hasn't been so so I don't think it's so much that anyone disagrees with you I think yeah definitely it's something for us to discuss and consider we can't make any guarantees for compensation but let's explore that like how how can we execute that you know can we send a letter can we uh create a workshop here to meet with residents and and see how we can figure that out but you know if if we're going to stand behind a cause like that then the person who's like proposing this needs to also take charge of how that communication is going to happen right so um how do you advise that you can be a resource in executing that excellent did you see the report that was issued by this board written by Stephen hburg attorney stepen herberg now now councilman you saw it yes did you read it of course and what did that report say about it guarante compensation what did it say it guarantee about what the problem is and what the solution is what did it say one of the goals is to get blasting within a certain range so that it doesn't affect homes to the level of severity that it's affecting homes now is that what it said Mr I don't really question a question a line of of U po there towards m franccesco i really prefer you communicated with me and I really think wer talking she did she did but so why talking to you about yeah it's I think it's going just the wrong approach to very simple I think you should have been here the last six months and if you would have been here the last six months you probably would have found out much more than what you're talking about right now unfortunately you were not here the last four or five or six or seven meetings and that is an unfortunate situation that occurred the blasting report that Mr stepen her prop proposed a three-prong approach through a variety of things and one was a legislative approach that Miss Francesca is just asking you know is just relaying to you and committing your point that the statute is wrong is also very very valid and is active as we speak as a matter of fact and being addressed and being addressed Mr but if you would have been here you would have realized that how many times word meet it meets once every month and when does it meet it meets usually Mondays at 7 we have met twice and sometimes we've met even twice three months we've met twice have have you called me to find out why I haven't been here no sir I don't have to call you this is a d that I don't call any one of any one of these people everybody knows that they have a commitment to be here at this time if you cannot be here if you cannot be here I would prefer if you call the liaison and and let her know why you why I wasn't here on January the 8th I don't know did you call me for it I I have no idea I I I have I have no reason to call you well then I think your question no reason to question except Mr chairman the chair point of order through the chair I think um we're getting a little bit intense this is a public meeting I understand that we have a right to disagree we have right to disagree oh no of course no absolutely to disagree however can we like change the tone a little bit sure I would have taken a little bit personal with Franchesco also and I know him and I know him too and I know him even before even know don't you think that before you judge whether a person is here or I'm not judging anybody judge comments I'm not here to judge I'm say that I should have been here all these months well I think so don't you think so and I have since a the only month that I wasn't here was December I was here in November I was here in November and we talked about you going to Washington because of your cousin uh you have a good relationship with uh with uh Marco ruo sure which has nothing to do with this you know anything which has nothing to do with this well after the meeting was over we talked about it so I was here what is that was that the um we have a roster and a roster okay now we have a roster January 8 which has not January January 8th was that a regularly scheduled meeting of this morning that was a special call meeting that was a special call meeting which became came now were you aware that this member was notified 24 hours before that I know I know and that this member on the day that I was that the meeting was held I sent in a a an email to the board's liaison explaining asking how come I was notified just 24 hours before the meeting I don't know that so you know you communica without with is because at one time okay but at one time and by the way I never received the response I was there was no answer to my email I don't have an email from you and J no I have I have a copy of the email and just for the record you do receive all the email Communications that I sent out to I did receive I did receive on January the 7th at around 3:00 in the afternoon I an email was came in to my email address okay I didn't see it until the next day and then I responded and I said you know by giving me almost 24 hours notice you forced me to miss the meeting I I can't uh change my schedule on such short notice fair enough for me um for clarification to all the board members and I know Miguel you came just came back um we had a meeting August 19th which was our regular scheduled meeting we had a meeting September 16th which had to be cancel because we had no quum we had a meeting October 28th which was our regular meeting we had a meeting November 18th which was our regular meeting we had a meeting special call meeting 11:22 which we had cancel because we had no for then we had a meeting December 6th we had a meeting January 8th which was the regular council meeting and today is the 27th that we're having the special call and since Janu August 19th the roster shows you absent and we have no communication through our Li on from you August yeah and we didn't have a meeting on September well because we had no quum we had no so that's the problem so when she communicates with us there's no quum instead of Us coming here like we've been doing and having two meetings we're just not we're can they're canceling them because December 8th meeting is not a regularly scheduled meeting December 6 or December 6th well because in December they had a change in the council agenda because the report was going to be issued on the 21st for whatever reason it's not a regular scheduled meeting we yeah for the record as committee members you guys are responsible for your meeting dates my emails just serve as reminder so please take note of that and I do want to mention you guys do a pretty good job of in your agendas or in your minutes putting the next scheduled meeting although Jan was not the correct meeting you know not the normal one it was discussed at the end of your last meeting same goes for tip there not a regularly scheduled meeting as well correct but this is discussed there you go this is discussed at the regular meeting which is why they happen to know and it is also on our website my Emil serve as a remind is not 6 months or 4 months or three months it's one month which was December and then because I wasn't December St yeah oh the ones who just dated a was when a secretary correct prior to that Stephen was secretary I don't know off the top I was here in August no the last meeting you attended per the attendance records by us uh at that time Stephen herberg live meeting and I have those attendance records because I had to take over after Sten yeah so that was the last official meeting you attended however these meetings are on the website I mean the agendas are on the website and they are M Le's websit so the the town has no obligation to notify it the board members of meetings and has no obligation to supply us on has no obligations to supply us with the agenda for that meeting my obligation as aism is to send you the agenda which I that the committee members are responsible for knowing and scheduling themselves Accord me for the for the meeting dates you know they they do they do choose to be a part of the board and therefore that is a responsibility that falls on you guys as individual well I think that we need to address the issue of so we receive agenda today we was a meeting you know we we we're volunteers here we don't pick up a paycheck on the way out okay and we have a life on top of that absolutely so you know there's there there has to be accounting on the issue of it's a two prior notification it's a two-way street you're today the right yeah but nobody said otherwise you're the only one that hasn't sh up everybody has shown up everybody been here I love everybody they show everybody shown up that's why they didn't have quum everybody didn't show up one because you weren't here sorry you weren't here you weren here sorry but not every because you didn't show up done not everyone showed up and that's what I was trying to say show up we would have had forum for a but look at all the other meeting where we did have forum and it doesn't take a lot for us have for because there's only four five so you know we'll be seven come next month right and the more of us it is so looking at you guys so to make the point Isle will send the agenda usually the day of but you know that the next meeting and we'll discuss this before the end of the meeting because we always discuss the date and the time um we already know what the is but just to let you know she usually sends the agenda the day of so calendar yourself you know what you're you're hearing what we're talking about so more or less you can know what on the next agenda but she is not responsible to send it to you previously if you want any clarification you can always look at the town website I mean I'm not for the rec the reason that I was not here on January the 8th is because of the short notice that I received one day before at 3:00 on the 7th to come in at 3:00 on the 8th that that that's too short of notice so can we disc much as I wish to can we discuss that on the new business when we set the next meeting date so we can continue with the agenda through the chair is that okay thank you sir uh can we move on to item what I was on the legislative update you have made a a mention I know that uh I was talking to Tom when I was up there as a matter of fact Nik as a matter of fact and I know that they they have had couple of problems with the building they' been trying with the wording and everything else right but regardless once it's up it's it's going to be posted it hasn't been posted today my question to you is that the dates are anticipated to be April 7th and 9th like you noed day days yes my question to you is since we had had a date of going up January but since you went January we didn't go January is that the target date you in between that somebody right because Steve the council had mentioned if they go up in March there's no reason for us to go in Mar they go up and so you know it's a combination It's a combination okay so we're waiting for the calendar of the council and of course the bill a well you can't go up until it gets up it's on doc we we need to we need to resolve this issue about notice because L that's why I said we're going to discuss it on the new business when we did discuss because at the end of the day we she works we don't we don't T to do she has to tell us what she's allowed to do I we will discuss it I noted it but if if we need to talk to the council to address this and resolve this issue then we'll have to bring We'll have to talk to the council okay let's talk about it on the new you guys actually have an upcoming um committee report so any concerns you have you can add there okay because I notice that on in December I too received the can we discuss 5' we can what is discuss it afterwards continue to move the new business no new business the next item is the Loban efforts I believe you mentioned Eddie gonz William they're ready to take it they're ready to take the U initiative again and and with the with the T Le officials and everything else to go up there as needed to so so they're ready with town of Miami Lake initiative right and we've been working on H on a municipal Workshop okay so I'd like to speak to you about that um so I did send an email to a and I will send you and I'll tell you why I sent that because at the last meeting Franchesca had mentioned a line item which we can do internally we don't have to go to the council however the last two workshops we've had they didn't cost us anything so if it's at no cost unless I mean we have the same setup as a council um the only thing we did is um if it's like printing cost they absorb it that there was cost in prepping the room um she did not find any cost Miguel so to be clear I think the cost just didn't come from the blasting line I want to be very specific we didn't pay for it in terms of I think you guys may have requested to one of the council members for them to support they sponsored it no no no two different things uh what she's mentioning is when we had a meeting uh Town Hall in in in the chamber no no no wait prior that we had to reset the the room and there was a cost involved because the the the um the handy because it was outside of business hour right right but I want to mention I would have to go back and check what our cost was if there was any because I remember we went back and forth about this but to be very specific it did not come out of a blasting line item because you guys your line item came about after that and then your line item after that very specifically all the expenses were related to tah because I looked at them today so if that if there was a cost it was outside of the blasting budget so it was absorbed by the administration site which is a good thing so the only other thing you might need if you want materials that's something that they print for you so what cost for you anticipating when you ask for the fund that we don't have to go to the council to because it's below 700 right I mean we don't even need that much money so there was a point in time where we discussed reallocating a portion of the 7500 this was before Stephen left for a variety of purposes work workshop being included in that group of things so we also thought about doing um some type of marketing efforts and Outreach we we discussed a lot of different micro options okay and at the time it was shut down because the money could only be utilized exclusively for travel right but now we can do an actual line notem we were always allowed to do that there was a we could well it was always allowed whatever happened then but the point that we need to get to is are we have in the workshop because we've been talking about this for eight months that's what so is it going to be February February or March going to be March because in April you have date dates you know that the bill will be on that docket by April so you're going to have it February you're gonna have it March I think you have to start thinking the logistics LS what let's get let's what we get a date down because once you have that date you know you have to start reaching out to the alties we have to send the blast we have to invite the residents Miguel you and I know that one we've done the you had you had a packed house at least residents come miror come we do it in we do outside of the U well we you wanted to invite municipalities to your house right because you're the one this is the council that suppor everybody else the the three-part initiative so why would you want to go to the country club no this is this is inhouse the town has taking the lead on this just um and I apologize I just want to date because we gotta get because I haven't been here I know what what is the workshop what are you encompassing in that workshop for so what they were saying is they wanted to have involvement of municipality so for example they wanted derell to be a participant in the panel um they wanted um Miramar they hopefully G that wasn't working huah so what they wanted to have was an Outreach with Municipal palities involved in the panel because before it was just us remember but panel um Outreach to the community just Community okay right it's a community outreach and every city that partic every municipality that participate guess all their story because Miramar story is different than I can tell you I live on the east I have no Blas on East where I live so everybody's story is different everybody's story is different and that's what we always wanted to do if you want Municipal Outreach then invite them to the table so what we want to do is invite them to the table and they don't know what the report says Miguel right so maybe our side tells them what we've done and that's the purpose and also the residents are going to hear and hear what's going on it's not you know we need resident involvement so we're also going to commun communicate to them too and this is the time to do it but we haven't we need to pinpoint the date once you pinpoint the date then we can start the invites then I knows that first of all she's got to look at the calendar is a date available right right but it's got to be done before April I mean when are you going to do this March 28th and then we're going I mean Hello we defeated the purpose so can you all look at the calendars please so dat days are the Monday through Wednesday but remember we don't know if it's March or April that Bap goes because we're waiting for the C right I just said that dat days are the seventh which is the second week of April so ideally spring break Falls that last week of March I I don't think we should do it that week because nobody's gonna be here um maybe early March or late February like um as saying yeah because late February ideal but it's short right the thing is well today is January 27th if you pinpoint a date at least that date can be out on the website already and the invitations can start we all we all have I mean Steve has everybody's email so Steve can do an invite for us council member harber but are you g to get used to me I call him by the names he used to St um he will be the first one to send first invite to everybody because he's got it on he's got it on his desktop so I think if you can pinpoint a date and is says it's available I think the last week of February is also a good date the just a thought would it not be more effective if the mayor if it came from the mayor um the mayor um assigned councilman hburg as intergovernmental liaz agreed but but if it's coming from the mayor so the mayor is going to be communicating with like the like the Mayors the Senators the representativ and Steve this is this is the directive given by the and that Steve is going to communicate with the um municipalities at the end of the day we got both the best worlds right they're all going to communicate with we hope no no no it's not we hope we know Steve at least will communicate with the municipalities oh no no I oh it's coming from our side yes we hope on their side that it's received and you but you know all we can do is try right I mean we've always had a good reception Miguel and if people don't come people don't come but you know residents are going to come because and the media you and I have attended at least five of them and it's always been pack yeah so can you give I the a date in the last week of February through the chair please Council cor yes yeah counc would this be an evening Workshop or it was always evening the 28th is a Friday no so it can't be on a Friday yes it is the 28th is a Friday February February remember March March March ver is is a Saturday Wednesday the 26 and Thursday the 27th are available okay February the 2 that would be the 27 it's a Thursday right 27 that's our meeting date is the thir no no no on a Monday it's not getting confused and then people don't know the dates Monday Monday there day at what time 7 we started at :30 I would say 6:30 because you know what happens right right start at Su yeah so post 6:30 so February 27th and what's your other day pick those two days she said that way that day was available so I think we should just go with that one let's go February 27 a 30th at 6:30 because Al it's available let's get it done yeah we going for like an hour and a halfs longer than hours and we're calling this a town the B Workshop B Municipal Workshop or Workshop Community Municipal work Municipal yeah let's include the community so they don't feel left out Municipal so we're inviting the community and we're inviting the municipalities great okay um now that we're on that will you send whatever uh printed material to a so she'll have it printed in time sure has it okay ala you have the material already we'll need for this Workshop so she already has the latest material but I'll make something new for that workout like custom for that okay I just want to make sure so I'll just to be clear anything that's printed here you know like regular paper this we can do for you guys at no cost it's when we have the Outsource that we have to yeah but it's also limited how much you could print out of well I mean it's just send it to me I think it's fine okay okay if there's any issue I'll I will work with um the chair with with the for the agenda okay um I will also ask um councilman harburg if he can include aisles information because if somebody does confirm attendance I think we need to know so they're on the agenda like for example I know that Rudy's gonna reach out to d right so if D reach if D comes they'll be on the agenda and they'll have a seat at the table of course um Miguel um if you can reach out to Miramar then they can have a seat at the table because he's going to reach out to D you because you've been talking to Mar that's why I'm I'm only asking you say you've been communicating with them because I think that I think at least if we have two or three municipalities with us at the table that makes a big difference so if you can get baral Miramar who highly affected you know High a Gardens has been very difficult it's impossible well I'm just saying so at least we we all understand that high a Gard [Music] communicate your friends with CA never anything there you don't feel there to I grew up and never felt the for example so um we did say we're gonna do we have the bab Banner I've been asking for that it's a hundred 100 bucks well that's also one of the things that okay but I think that's what you wanted the money for like marketing stuff separately from the let's just um do the chair can we just do the the form and say 600 bucks we don't have to go to the council for that do the max the 750 so that way we get the full up okay and if we don't use it we send it back to blasting leave it at 7 whatever makes you Happ it says first and third Wednesday of the month for sorry what the Mir say it again they meet the first and third Wednesday of each month oh twice a month that's why they didn't which one they were attending yet remember now Esther you mentioned working with Rudy on getting an agenda for the workshop well third one what do you guys want need to prepare in terms of presentation wise right like we have things that I already have in mind presentation you already have done we're talking about the actual agenda so you know um all the meeting to order um the welcome the chair right what I'm saying I think we have a agenda from last time I kept we have an agenda so we're going to duplicate the agenda yeah we're going to duplicate the agenda just change mirrar goes I you know introduce and then they'll give themselves a little who opens who closes yeah so we have a sample maybe you didn't see it I have we prepared in SE yeah I have it I have it don't want to show something again an actual [Music] scen whatever is produced that was you know you got up and you spoke you have to have you know welcomeing be's got to welcome so look in September and just St you might have I well if you have it maybe she doesn't matter remember um I I agree that if we have to meet and have a special meeting just a little committee meeting for the workshop I agree to be on we're going to have to I think we're going to have to do that because we have so little time I make a motion that we have a little workshop committee um I second your motion okay um I have no problem participating on that committee would you like to participate the other one on thee and then I'll yes I will okay and then I know um I know you're new members so if you get sworn in before try to get swor in as soon as possible yeah so in order to gu I just have to show call and I got you no problem have you been appointed though I know you've been appointed because I heard your name at the last C no they both were appointed both were appointed so this is their this is their this meeting and then then they have to get sworn in like for example just to let you know Miguel was here last meeting but he was sworn in after the meeting let me see because I got a little email from the par oh really yes because you should but she probably didn't know that the um did they do away with you satisfi the meeting requ meeting mono meeting and one C I'll let them know that you offend it me app FR well that's where I okay so um the next thing item of discussion and I think I need us to really pay attention to this is just a particular of appreci appreciation disc discussion so in December not only yeah not only did we did we name the individuals I personally did these send it to Isle and they were going to be signed by the chair and the mayor okay so that was already discussed in December then then when I look at the January meeting which one of the votes is invalid which is Mr Martinez um I noticed that somebody made a motion to change it to go back and include everybody with a criteria of seven in attendance six six in attendance six six the reason I have meeting okay right so the reason I have an issue with that is because the list that we got through Al lion goes back to 2019 but you don't have records to 2019 attendance records so how can you change your CR first of all how can you change your criteria from one month to another we already had done this this is done I did this in November oh but I had no clue that this was done this was all done in November um and then December we voted we voted we have the minutes that reflect who was going to get it and then in this you have a meeting in January and you decided to change the criteria when you have no measurement for the criteria so I just have a recommendation can we please stick to what we agreed in the November meeting verbalized and memorized in the December meeting not only with the certificates done if you decide to go back to 2018 which is when we started right you don't have a right that so you can't meet that six minimum because you can't prove it when we discussed it on the day that we voted for it it was also discussed that we would go back to see if we were missing anyone because we were just we listed people just Bas no that's going back that's going back to the original original right but the ones that we did we did not go off of memory because Isle send us the names that we had in December was not from memory was from a list we did get from is and that was discussed in December yeah she emailed it to us she emailed the list that's how I 41 no she emailed the list in November back when we did this one in December oh I have it you know I keep everything no I'm glad you do that how we came up that is how we came up with this list and that's how I you know I gave her a sample certificate which then she had her Department oh I think what I had sent you guys originally was the ones just of last year rather than entire history 2024 2025 which is what we stood by because that's the only thing that you have a criteria for you can't go back to the beginning when you don't have an yeah no I don't disagree with that at all okay so I'd like to stay back with what we agreed in November and we approved in the December meetings and these are done they've been done by the way since November this we to it so back and for but I wanted to share the so that you guys know what it would look like I think this looks great it only has M name I mean you guys copy yeah I think it's great it's all the same they're just copies I think they're great I think it looks great I very nice we went back to 2024 a second year motion yes okay thank you because it makes sense and we have so we're done so moving forward we I'm sorry I think I think I'm not you know my my memory is not perfect but I think that when I propose that the outgoing members get an appreciation certificate it was from from that from from yeah yeah forward because we discussed if I'm not mistaken the difficulty and going back and yes researching and digging out who who would that so then moving forward now we start at 2025 you know I already have the attendance record we can move and then the criteria what criteria do you want to stick with the six yeah I think so so the criteria will be the six which was already approved in January I just want to correct I want to put everything on the table so we don't have disagreement later correct them okay thank you so the next item new business well I haven't heard back from anybody in that sense well he already gave youal meeting in the sunshine and in the meeting of January 21st he told you that that was the report so um the next item is um we have a podcast shamber I think who's going to do the first podcast we could all be you know that was inv it was invited for all of us all I think we should just pick one person and start it do the first initial I'll find out when it's going to be first and then okay the availability it might be prep I got to talk to Campa on Su yeah have you seen the chambers podcast oh here chair maybe you can do the first podcast and introduce and and let them explain what the mission is what the blasting is and then after that the following month maybe can do it the following month fr as many people as I gota see no I'm just saying if you if you take the lead I'll talk to and if you one in February appreciate it I you wanted one in February we do have a workshop slated for February and it would be nice if you can communicate that message he exactly that's what you want so since you also are a member of the board for the Chamber of Commerce for Miami Lakes I think you can make this happen right Mr Blanco course convenient oh yes uh the next item is the Tallahasse either March or April March or April so we won't know that until our rep tells us what's the story and we communicate well because it's representing um the next item we add we added we added the notice uh situation with the town I guess right and everything else right so the next item um member Aloo if you can take the floor please and tell us your thoughts on notice um because that's something request the Town Council to do I don't think we have to go be more specific or or yeah I think have to go to the Town Council for the council to instruct I guess the town manager and then the town manager would set up instructions for whoever is the liaison for the town and the board as to when notices need to be sent out all committee meetings all committee meetings um can you clarify you get your direction from clarisel right correct um is this something that we'd have to go to the council or is it something feel more the chair meeting is coming up yep could be discussed that that could be discussed there that with all noce members more notice right but don't we get one month notice no no off notice in no a time out no time out yes we do have a month's notice what Eladio wants more notice and get in the agenda the agenda and and and because and the reminder from I the Remer from and the reminder okay the reminder and okay 100% because I was a little I mean as of right now my direction is to share the agenda correct but but can they be separated so that's why I'm saying the reminder for me for me to me what I have to do for the Committees is I have to share the published agendas with you guys after it's been published I have to share it with you guys right so I am as of right now I don't send reminders it's not the reminder is built into the agenda so I'm making maybe that could be what the so I'm just letting you know that right now that's what I do if it's that's what it sounds like he's requesting the reminder and the agenda are one and the same but the but the agenda the issue is the agenda and a reminder and a Remer issue that I don't as of right now an agenda has to be sent after the agenda has been there's a process re published if the reminder and the agenda can be separated then it's actually two notifications that are going out well then you put an extra going based off the committee rules my son is to share the published agenda as of right now it is not my right now I don't have a direct recation I think it sounds like that's the request you want to put in and you guys can you know you guys can put in any requests can I make a recommendation we have a committee chair meeting can you bring it up at your meeting um anema to all of you about the committee chair meeting can you bring it up it is next week February Tuesday February 4th at 6m in the case of the December uh six meeting I have an email coming in with the notice on December 5 at 530 something in the afternoon here we go here's what I think I think the issue is we already that out I think let's let's move forward when do we when by when is there a cut up for what sorry who notifies of the agenda what I have to send you guys is the agenda you have still remember that I have to fall in line the agenda has to be sent to me first just she's doing it the right well just so you guys know I can't send you the agenda until it's been sent to me so that kind of cuts it that's true I I have a question true not a topic for discussion it's just a question when is the agenda due to you for it to go three business days before bu so we've been very lenient we have and we've been taking it up to 48 hours before because then that's it that's the official you know there's a statute requirement we have to meet no no no I the days it's not hurt either yes and I just want to have the time line clear because you know you've been sending the reminder slash Agenda 24 hours prior to the meeting I wanted to understand when the deadline for you to receive that agenda is so that I could know that's why I said it was just a question not just how it's done right now the earlier I get the agenda the earlier I send it out to you kind of how that okay um but I will tell you on your end again that is me fulfilling the committee rules is sending the agenda agreed and understood if if a request uh or if if we requested it if it was stated that a week prior week just a blank email don't forget that can't happen unless she has the agenda the agenda the agenda just a simp remind I don't want to waste your time on this I'm gonna ask you to please reach out to you know I'm gonna ask you to please reach out to the town manager to the direct based on that that's a doable thing or is that an issue if you tell me it's an issue I won't be I need defend you I am going to tell you there's an issue coming from the clerk's office sat there many a times if she sends out the that notice a week before and the chair does not meet the agenda deadline which is supposed to be three days before so the meeting is on a Monday she should have that agenda on a Wednesday if she doesn't have it on a Wednesday how do you want her to send out a notice a week before and that has been the case okay but it's two separate things and and that condition she can't send the notice we can't we can't but she can't send a notice yeah but I see what she's saying too she says Hey on Wednesday it's your meeting don't forget Wednesday is your meeting but then she doesn't receive the agenda on that day then is she expected to S you know I understand the last three meetings let's not hit ourselves let's be honest because a okay has been stretching herself and sending it to us because she's also been receiving it late so I don't think it's fair compling about time frame yeah um I I actually do not see this is just my personal opinion I do not see an issue with how I is disting information to us I see Zero issues let me finish because when you stated your opinion I didn't interrupt you I see no issues but if we are going to implement something new then it just needs to be consistent be but I don't see a need in having to bring in managers and all kinds of stuff if we say from now on the Monday before the meeting the agenda's do no problem she's going to send the reminder you understand so we so in other words she agrees with the current method right right that exists right the problem is other committees are not not uh compliant with that that's where the problem comes in I can offer you a solution a small solution that may may not work for you guys but on the town calendar there is a button that says add to calendar and that would be you guys adding it to your own calendar to serve as a you SE town okay and that would take you guys going into the website and doing it yourself going forward since we're talking about meeting times can now we discuss what our new meeting dates are because last meeting okay hold on so uh let's go back again we're talking about notice the notice so my question is is the chair going to discuss it in his quarterly are we going to keep it at is or is he going to try to see if he can get advanced notice well that we're talking about notice the chairman gave the floor I didn't I didn't see you I didn't see you I'm writing and goe go ahead I I fully support what you said we don't have a problem with with Iceland what what we have a problem is with a lack of a u standard you consistent you know which is different we we need to establish a standard for communications between the town and the board right we are very proud of the I am proud of the work that she's done and I don't have a problem with it with her work um we're very happy and I'm and I'm proud of it you also said that 24 hours as as a reminder is not enough right so that's how we've been doing it for the last couple months and that reminder comes after a several weeks notice of us discussing the next meeting so really the meeting was we the the members new with two to four weeks anticipation on a minimum then I followed up depending on when the meeting was we said okay then let's go back to the minutes that's not true and the reason it's not true is because we're talking about a December 6 meeting is a special meeting it's not a regularly scheduled meeting and the January meeting is a special meeting it's also not a regular meeting scheduled within two to four weeks with with two to four weeks of notice we didn't decide to meet on January 7th January the notice is only given if that board member was at the prior meeting but if the board member was not at the prior meeting and this meeting that is coming up is a special meeting okay we have no notice so the fact that the town of Miami lak puts it on the calendar is not noticed that is not a way of notifying you as a member no no no no does everybody agree with her no no because official notice is the town website noing I don't live around the calendar of the town of Miami Lakes I'm sorry listen we're all professionals here and as professionals it's not professional volunteers it's not professional calendar it's not professional it's not professional nor is it adult behavior for for for anyone to expect all the people around this table to set their lives around the calendar of the town of lakes and have to go into a website on a regular basis to find out oh let me see if there's going to be a special meeting no no no there's not 100 people here so it's not that difficult and you don't think that as a volunteer of this board it's also your responsibility to watch a meeting that you miss no I think it's a courtesy and an obligation and a duty of the town to treat its volunteers with more respect than having to force us who do not get paid for our work here to be checking on on the website of the town of Miami Lakes on a regular basis to find out if there's going to be or not going to be a special meeting okay through the chair L I think I I have I have a solution um go ahead when you have your next meeting in February 4th can you ask for a courtesy notice to be sent out fora to but the C notice cannot be sent out until she receives that agenda obviously which she has sent us a courtesy notice every single time we've had a meeting a courtesy notice so if she gets the aend if she okay instead of getting a notice the day of the meeting he would like a notice prior to the meeting not like today she sent a notice out today he feels that was not sufficient notice I am just saying you guys have to understand just I don't mean to go over this issue if I receive the agenda Friday end of day and I'm sending it today I'm still doing it within a timely man we're talking about less than 24 hours so I want you guys to understand that and that's all I he just wants a courtesy notice prior to the day of the meeting he wants a courtesy notice prior to the date of the meeting and not on a weekend so can you prior to the regular meeting prior to the regular meeting and not on a weekend so if the meeting is on a Monday he doesn't want to notice at 3 o'clock on a Monday of the day of the meeting he wants it before but if it's going to be a special meeting that wasn't agreed upon in the prior meeting if somebody misses that prior meeting they're not going to know about the special meeting at that point one 24 hours is wul insufficient okay so that in addition to the person is absent you want that person notified of when the next absolutely and we have a solution to that as well if because of the short notice they were unable to attend then that absence will not be held against them are we voting for this motion like I'm trying to understand time is running out I have to I have to leave and go to the route and um I'm cut this with this we all adults here everybody's responsible for the time everybody should know that we have a blasting meeting every month and I think everybody has their phone numbers and we could each reach out to each other one way or another and just ask I I when's our next meeting I just did for my economic development committee meeting which is tomorrow and I think that's all I ask anything else guys Jesus that mean that's all that I ask I don't ask anybody else and I'm sorry if I disrespect anybody never disrespect nobody I never do that and never get out of hand but it has to be that way we responsible I mean I know I have to be here for for for my meetings every month and if it's have devel which I'm not even the chairman of what I'm there too Rudy we don't have a problem motion and notice this yes now what happens what happens you're not in a regular meeting you don't know that there's a special meeting exactly well so it works you know yeah that's exactly so listen I don't have problem with Mike let's say Mike misses a special meeting Franchesca I don't have a problem with that as long as we're not going to hold them uh as an absence it's a special as an unexcused absence we have to give people you know we got to cut him some slack you know you can't you cannot uh be so draconian and and I propose that if that's the situation then you have an excused I believe two out of seven meetings right excuse me I believe that special meetings are not your normal so your attendance your attendance is can't app for them in advance okay so your attendance is required at regular when I do attendance I know regular and special that's how my attendance is right yeah so um can we move move forward um the next item of the agenda are the elections elections do we need those a those have to be done it has to be done today ahead position is um I make a motion to nominate Rudy Blanco as the chair icept that a second and an accept second it's uh can I can I have is anybody can I have a question my first real election sure go ahead go ahead can we nomin like can we nominate more than one person vote before we move oning made a motion to nominate AR Blanco hold on a second please and he accepted four PR second and I'm by I'm not finished by ELO and accepted by AR Blan um Roo Esther col yes Blanco yes from Meo yes Franchesca I thought I could nominate someone too yeah we'll do that too but Esther if I may the way the other committees do it is they do the nominations first so like that if there's more than one they they select the vote of who it is okay so we we got this one go ahead Franchesca okay so I nominate M martinz can we nominate can is it done one position at a time doing the so it was motion by Francesca for Miguel second motion di for like a second uh the chair no go ahead no the chair remains um Rudy bonco roll call calling yes El audio yes Rudy yes yes Franchesca yes Miguel yes thank you so I have to stop this I actually write Martin like all a can you have like two Vice chairman or anything like that no the next don't we do that's the ch government I know um the second position is for the vice chair is there a motion for a vice chair I nominate is there a second second there any other nominations by for the vice chair roll call chairman yes Francesca Esther yes Elio yes Rudy yes I mean Miguel you you didn't accept I I accepted I accepted you vot yeah but you you you you freaked me out calling me Rudy looking at me because you forgot to accept so you accept yourself yeah this is like a freaking long meeting and I nominate for secretary at than than third and fourth and fifth I'm for her second Rudy Roo and I accept second uh Francesca Francesca yes second second um I accept um roll call yes Miguel yes Franchesca yes un yes okay open discussion um for the record um the next meeting was already discussed that it would be held February 244th I think the only thing that um I believe I and Franchesca had a question on was the date because we have been meeting early on in previous meetings so is that a question you still have Fran and the recurr yes and the recurrence of the meetings because recurrence of the meeting according to Isle if you read the tapes are going to be the fourth Monday of every month back yeah okay so I already checked she said the fourth Monday of very month so if that's the case that means February 24th and then March 24th so I already giving you 60-day notice of meetings yeah so your two next meeting dates of February 24th March 24th if there is a special call meeting we will discuss it with within one of those Monday no sheay that's what she wanted yeah you guys used to be there's a possibility I will be out of town that weekend okay let me just write this down so those are the that's the fourth Thursday of every month and remember Monday fourth Monday we had to change that because of another conflict with another meeting so the date the time the time is fourth Monday for the taking because I don't have anybody else at that which one like whenever you guys right now I have for no for like the entire year I have you guys set up for 7 p.m. but let me know if you want to change it I mean the room is pretty open what do you guys prer so Franchesca was to me have anything earlier meetings last couple of meetings that we've had yeah but the last couple of meetings we've had at at 3 p.m. true we've done it at 3 p.m. and no there's no conflict with anybody because I can be here so that's what we were discussing and we can go back to the PM that we've been having I prefer seven okay well is one two three four five six seven members now I would love the earlier I have no problem with three you have a problem with three Rudy no you have a problem with you have a problem oh you don't you have a problem with three I I I if I put it on my calendar and it's set it's not going to be a so it should it won't be a problem to me so that's I don't five you have a problem with three so you have a problem with three so five okay and two not okay you can discuss it among yourself I'm only taking no we're talking about the speci we need the times no no for the regular something else okay but I thought that the regular meeting was set at the at the fourth M day she's open now for the time okay no I don't have well I have you guys set a seven that's next but I think you want to yeah I'm fine with seven o'cl I'm I'm good honestly I'm I'm good either way list I'm just asking for direction I'm sitting here that at 7even is at the end of the day 3: 3:00 you have to stop some things for for some people 3:00 is better and it seems like 3:00 was okay for five out of seven I mean I'll take it I have kids so so what are we voting on still discussing the time discussing the time together to see if it what so we can work with each other my preference is o' for regular schedule meeting 7 o' so we have four threes four threes and three sevens so what would you like to do chair please well is there a motion on the table no discuss there's no motion discussing we just discussing you know we're doing friendly discussion here okay I think 7 o'cl is better if you want te to grow more people can come yes and the public as well I move for rich be 7:00 to remain at 7 remain at 7 okay next monthly meeting will be February 24th at 7M at 7 P.M Monday the following month will be March 24th at 7 pm. it is the fourth Monday of every month at 7 pm Elio you have a a conflict on what date so I on the 24th of February conflict on okay no problem leaving town on the 20th I'm not coming back on the I'm coming back on the 24th but I'm not going to be able to make it because I'm coming returning at night okay have an item can I about it open oh we're just having talking I had um once I'm once I'm part of the board I cannot communicate um to the city or anything unless I'm going through the board I want to make sure yes that's if you're going to speak on behalf of the board it has to be agreed it has to be agreed by so then my next question is since you guys are the experts especially in the videos it's really opened up my eyes um I wanted to understand more about um why uh the I saw the letter really nice I like the letter but I wanted to understand why this the zoning department um since they were giving the control by the M County zoning director the M County zoning director has a control to allocate the times according to the resolution that was made um for that for the perk so I wanted to make sure if that was brought about um or is the objective only to or one of the objectives is to um to go that route to use the power of the zoning director that he's already been given all right now St thanks and oh if I may um the the one thing is the county we you're talking about zoning is County so the county it used to be regulated at each municipality where the mine exist exists across the state um so that's where the there's laws U I think it's chapter 13 if you look on mun code for day County it's there and and it predicates when the time and dates and when the blast and and all that um as a matter of fact day County uh established 7.75 a higher reading than the state level legal limit as far as the peak part velocity um [Music] that that control was and now regulates the entire State across the state so although the county still has the rules the laws are in the books what's being enforced is the state level and the state actually lower a five still way too high it's arbitrary but that's where that comes from it's not zoning anymore count zoning is always it's there but it's not control over them because already both them that's we're trying was your question clarifi good good good good okay so it that we have we're GNA have a workshop meeting for the workshop we need to have a workshop February 27th I said it for youal meetings over the workshop is the 27th but we' like where we have want to have a little subcommittee meeting um ourselves what do you have available for what times and what week are you looking at are you a week from now well Rudy a week from now you'll be able to have the documents ready um agenda what if we just do once a week until the I don't think we have to do once a week it's only three so like February 7th that's a Friday next week it's not it's not many not many weeks of in between no no I'm just saying but he's if he brings the the agenda we can draft that next week and um if if we set the if we set a schedule for uh every week and may we may vote or realize we don't need to do the next week meeting right and I think we could probably finish it all next week so if we have the document so Rudy you do you have it would schedule every week but listen if Rudy drops the document we go over and next week I have to draft my presentation then we got to go over it then we got you know pres you're the you're the longest one so when will you have the presentation ready one week after he has his part no his part is only the agenda it's a it's a physical agenda that's all it is that gets handed out as far as presentation what do you what do you what do we looking forward to um I think that's the point of the subcommittee right yeah the sub no we need to guide the subcommittee so what is the the intent of this presentation if we're looking for generic uh background information only or looking something specific we looking for combination the agenda at some point you're going to touch for municipalities to speak obviously when those municipalities speak we don't have to present anything because it doesn't follow us but when the community speaks or when we want to engage with the community there's going to be a turnout of cities not just ours right but we should educate myn and our people how we want them to act hey if you're affected and you're in our community when we want you to go online we want you to put the fill out the Complaint Form This is what the Complaint Form looks like if you have HOA meetings coming up in communities that are you know um so usually first get involv the first one presenting is bab okay the one who sets the tone is here right and most the one who does the introduction is the one who usually takes over is over there okay the uh well you could be the MC but but I'm saying I I I mean now we'll get into what would be a subcommittee but but if we did some sort of um we'll call it technical background so we understand what is happening then go into what what each uh each municipality can can they understand what are they seeing so one is the welcome two there the technical background have to and that would be so the welcome is the chair the technical is the vice chair go ahead any Mar would be princess right well that's any presentation supposed to be talking agenda right now because that should be the purpose just give preliminary preliminary I wouldn't want to present communication effort until all the cities go thank you that's true because when d goes off on a blah blah blah and then Maramar goes City only has three minutes three minutes it is three minutes but I'm saying that's the challenge we got to keep keep the control uh on that so so for example Franchesca welcome technical say say I am guaranteeing you're not going to have more than three cities okay okay so then then public comments are you gonna do public comments before technical I propose you do public comments after the technical speech is done everybody speaks because when you have public comments before they're gone it doesn't work you need them to listen so they can absorb so we can do public comments then we can do the communication whatever you want to call it whatever you want to call communication for and then before closing you know closing ceremony so we actually have an agenda laid out what's going to change here is what municipality is going to communicate so can we uh you'll bring what you have but kind we kind of did like a little a boil up worksh meeting that we can is on the sub committee for the to do minutes I guess I have to be here well you had already nominated yourself so that was a given so who else is in the subcomittee myself for the secretary depending on who is in the sub committee is the time that we choose for the meeting no I want daytime want daytime you a g find me here at 7 o' at night 3 pm you could do it at 9:00 am anywhere between 9 and 3M can you tell us what week am I looking at next week as soon as possible 650 655 how do we meas the effectiveness what how do we measure the effectiveness of our training or of our workshops how effective yeah how do you measure the effectiveness the participation and communication do we do we look at the data that like more people are reporting all this area is reporting more historically we've had that um but that that's fizzled off and this they've got a new website I I wasn't even wor of a new website um so that's kind of fills off but yes in the beginning actually I had my own my I had a group we had our own website and I would share at the meeting how to get into it and at the meeting there'd be 150 messages going through um not 150 it's 150 times uh 130 because we had a website that that created messages for every legislator Senator and State Rep and uh official in tallah it did them all one shot and I would teach you how to show to send an email through your phone and more than half the crowd in there on the spot would send up so that was highly effective now to your point um the the re realistic things of this is the media coverage that we get out of this um it's usually we do have a pack house there but it's still not as much as a 30,000 residents in mi L as an example PSN or the other communities there's there's a handful of PSN handful leg it fills the chambers but it's not everybody but what gets higher coverage is the media because we we call the newspapers the uh TV stations news reporters I mean it it gets pretty full and and that is what the big exposure happens and tah is actually watching they do watch the news as well at one point like when I was hearing the blast I was like oh I'm not going to report this because it's getting less since it's getting less you're getting they're working harder so let me not you know report it um so like to me like once I realize hey let me not do that let me just report every single time I feel something I feel like that vibration I just record it whether it be small or big right and then like when I read when I looked at your video you mentioned that like it we don't look at the waves right we looking from point to point so it's it's it's interactions between people every single time they they complain right like in my head it was like oh if we look at the address of one person we look at the address of the person next to them right we can tell the person next to them hey your neighbors complaining about this and this time and this day maybe you have a camera right maybe you can see that on that time of that day you has something else and then they'll start like oh man I do have an issue I think most people they just don't know that there is the issue and media like what I say to the media is that they tell them like the the scientific part of it and that just like hey man I so I of curious I see um Edwin um have you gone on the website to look at all the documents and all the reports and all the blasing activity that have been published yeah when I had a my laptop like a couple years ago I was able to pull out the the his I'm talking about now now because I don't have a laptop okay well you need a laptop because uh Franchesca has done a lot of work and we have updated the whole website so maybe you need to do that so you can see how much we have out there already because we have a huge educational component online I actually have a a request I guess for the new members and it's that I want you guys to take today's meeting as a kind of like as a video ual of what needs you see that maybe you can fill or meet or maybe if you have like a strength in a specific thing how you can like support us and and Aid Us in reaching a goal so like for example we have this Workshop that's happening in a month what is your area of expertise that you feel that like what do you bring to the table that could be beneficial to help support us for that website let's say Dan I know you're um very popular in the PSN community and you have a very vast Social Circle right so maybe you can help us by inviting residents in the community to come to the event I'm only giving this example because I know Danny but you know giving you this example to kind of like help you come up with your own thing and if you could each send an email to Isle that then she will share to everybody and then as we plan this event and we put things together we can say oh you know what we'll make sure we give um Danny XYZ task to help us accomplish this goal so you know today's meeting had a little bit of everything I mean we had elections we've had discussions of Tallahasse visits and it it's been uh very versatile okay so just let us know how you can be of Aid and assistance so that way you're you know fulfilling a a role that is affecting change on the Bo and then just remember all meetings are Sunshine so all communication has to go through but when you do your swearing in with the clerk she will give you a little booklet that shows you you know what the rules are what the mission is she'll give you your little book so that will also help you understand how the meeting work and when you're sworn in she'll connect you with me um and then if you have any questions you can always reach out and I'll so you have my email already thanks yeah but your sworn in can you send that email can they do that about letting her know that they attended no about their strength oh for them but he doesn't have M no I mean I can give it okay have M you're the one that have you guys been commit vice [Music] president committee committee I've served on on a lot of different real estate boards I've served in government uh government permit positions for that board where I have gone to Tallahasse Washington to Advocate and do different things so um yeah I was in narrow for a long time so i' I've sat on the West Broward boards and I sat on the Naples boards as well office napl Naples is one of the the communities that uh CX is get effective yeah um um I want to make a motion that the workshop meeting be for Thursday February 6 at 3 P.M do we have a second second wait what what time did you say 3M 3m. February 6 Thursday at 3 p.m. next Thursday there's a second Francesca all in favor all right we are the committee and you're welcome to attend who can we identify who's in Franchesca Miguel Rudy just making sure I don't want what not already I already said it but I'm saying it again and I know I said it because I have it in the minutes okay am I sending up a second one after that I think you should we can cancel the following one can you do it the following Thursday at what time same o'clock 3 o'clock yeah that's fine okay so committee members we have February 6 calendar and February 13th calendar if it's needed and by then February 13 we should have it wrapped up because the workshop is already scheduled the um I have a motion to adjourn second all in favor I I we've adjourned at 911 thank you very much for coming I really appreciate everybody's patience with me in the minutes thank you