e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right Madame cleric I think we're uh we're we're going to go ahead and start the meeting all right um today's Workshop is hereby call to order Madame clerk please call the role council member goaso present council member Garcia present council member ruano present vice mayor Fernandez present you may start the meeting vice mayor thank you madam clerk let's rise for a moment of silence all right let's face the flag for the Pledge of Allegiance by our town attorney Mr R to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all please be seated Madame clerk at this time I would like to open it up for public comments yes anyone in the audience please welcome to the workshop and just approach the podium state your name and address for for the record and you have 3 minutes welcome thank you vice mayor for opening the meeting although it was at 6:45 um I have a few comments I support the senior senior and disability relief program I just want to make sure that's in a benefit a tax in a in the form of a tax benefit I also approve to fund the infrastructure fund which I know is underfunded I have a question reference the attorney's fees in the April prior agenda um I believe it was Mr coyaso council member coyaso who said we were going to Workshop that item um pertaining to the py settlement and I don't see it in this spreadsheet anything having to do with the attorney fees so I'd like know when's that if it's going to be discussed in a public meeting or in a private session I also believe that we should not disen disenfranchise the voters um you have appr uh improvements here for the Optimus Park and I would hope you do not approve any expenditure having to do with the op Optimus park that is not Town property I also want to know why the town is considering spending $50,000 for the pickle balls I believe it's says Barbara Goldman sh I don't know if it's Barbara Goldman school okay Barbara Goldman Senior High owned by the Miami date School Board why is the Miami date school not funding that and why is the town may be in partnership with the school board not seeking public private um Partnerships I just don't understand why we keep on funding these organizations that have a board that represent them we don't own the schools I oppose $150 to the police study I was part of that ad hoc committee there is no way that the combined property tax base or the franchise fees support our own Police Department so that is just wasteful spending at this time K9 improvements mini Park phases one two three I think you should consider them for fiscal year 2425 and I'm going to stress again I've stressing this since 2017 prior to manager Peterman back to the days of Alex Ray that maybe we can all get educated on zerob based budgeting and start concentrating on the needs and not the wants of many people in this community and some elected officials thank you for giving me your time thank you vice mayor thank you Esther any other uh members of the public wishing to speak Madame clerk is there anybody online wishing to speak no no participants online vice mayor all right seeing none public comments is closed all right Mr manager would you would you like to uh yeah let me thank you vice mayor let me uh kick this uh off and what you have before you everything that is above the black solid line on this spreadsheet are the the same items that were you saw at the carry forward amendment that was on the April agenda that uh was never heard um it never uh made it to to it it it didn't get receive a second so it was never heard and considered but everything that you see here is exactly what was on the carry forward item uh uh in first reading the only thing that I've done is the items on the left hand side the administrative recommendations I rearranged them what I thought would be a little easier to um to read and the items on the right hand side the council initiatives the only thing is I did was there something that we've spoken about is added townwide speed study the uh the installation of the speed humps the number one thing that is uh holding that back is the speed studies that are required by the agreement that we have with Miami day County so Omar is in the process of obtaining a hard and fast number uh on what that would cost if we were to do a townwide speed study so we don't do this nickel and dime one by one one by one uh the number that we have in here is not the final number we it's a it's a best guess estimate on you know the professional estimate by uh Public Works on what that study could cost so that is a placehold once we do get the number that we've already asked for from the engineering firm we'll uh bring that to your attention but for now uh that number is plugged in there so that's the only thing that is different under the council uh initiatives what I did uh there are some things financially within the town that are are still pending they have not been uh decided uh some within the legal world and so forth so so if you remember from the item when we addressed it at the council uh meeting in April the number the amount of excess fund balance that is available that people keep referring to it as a November money uh carry forward the the the real name for the number that is going to be before you is excess fund balance and the amount of that excess fund balance after we've had an opportunity to allocate the franchise fee Surplus the amount of money that has to be allocated to the different committees uh paying for the legal advertising that went up the uh election cost the projects that started last year all of those items that we spoke about the number that is available in excess fund balance at your disposal after all those other allocations is 1,486 1,148 based on what I just told you which there are some items that are still uh being decided and determined financially that may impact us financially my recommendation to you that of that $1.48 million that you consider allocating approximately $860,000 of that do not allocate the rest for now uh once you you you're going to have this before you in the month of May there's going to be two readings as you know you'll have two opportunities to modify whatever you do on first reading you'll have an opportunity to modify it for second reading so what I did based on if you agree with my recommendation of only allocating approximately $860,000 what I did is I took items from the top sections the two top sections that are above the black line and I tried to put together a uh a a program below the black line that is in line with that number that I'm recommending that you uh allocate these items in here are I tried to I I tried to do primarily infrastructure other than police I tried to do primarily infrastructure items and infrastructure items that are uh items that we already have that we need to rehab or we need to maintain or things of that nature so you have the police overtime you have the lighting upgrade at the intersection of cowpen that's the money that the Miami day county is going to put in a traffic light at that intersection M cowpen and Miami Lakes Drive and it needs a lighting upgrade Miami dat County was only going to do the regular ugly goose neck lights we asked to install the kinds of lights that we have along that Corridor which are the black decorative lights um uh Senator Renee Garcia's office is going to pay for uh part of the upgrade 70,000 and they've asked us to pay for the other uh part of that upgrade if you choose not to fund that then Mii day County will just install the regular gray gooseneck lights the 4th of July fireworks is self-explanatory to maintain the same level of uh of fireworks the the amount of the cost of the fireworks has gone up um the litter crew this is to restore the litter crew to the uh the the level of last year plus adding an enhancement to the litter crew which is uh to maintain uh an extra person to be able to hit the main corridors more frequently it's it's V Source probably a lot of the complaints have gone to you we've received many complaints about the condition of some of the corridors and the trash and it's something that is very difficult to to to stay behind so that is a number that will not only take us to the level of last fiscal year but also a little bit more to make sure that we hit the main corridors on more frequent basis the restoration of the infrastructure sinking fund if you remember with the reduction of the millage rate last year we were unable to uh fund the 150,000 for the sinking fund the next item restoration of parks and RightWay budgets that is that is in capitals there that is a compilation if you look at the top part on the left side all of those items there in order to balance last year's uh budget in September we also had to reduce some of the cycles of the ground maintenance at the parks the pocket Parks the Beach Parks the neighborhood parks ground maintenance at the Royal Oaks and Miami Lakes Optimus park the cue Sachs and so forth by uh budgeting this $265,000 now with carry forward this will restore us to last year's level obviously only on a six-month basis because half the fiscal year is already gone so that's not an annualized number that's a semiannual number to get us through the balance of the fiscal year we have the uh basketball court at Royal Oaks Park the resurfacing of that uh of that Court uh from the council initiatives the utility box beautification project from last year you had allocated $4,000 towards that project we now have a hard and fast bid uh that the bid actually came in at $6800 so we'd like the extra 2,800 so we can complete that project the project's already been uh started with design and so forth the K9 Cove improvements of $25,000 Veterans Park playground lighting of $155,000 and then the the other the last item here is the mini Park Capital program the number that you have on the top right hand of side of this spreadsheet is the total amount which is 383,000 uh Jeremy and his team believes that they can do it in phases and so this one here 127,00 would be for the first phase so it wouldn't cover every single one of the mini Parks but it'd be onethird of them and then we'd uh be looking in the future for future allocations to complete that program so the items on the bottom part of the black line total 85985 this is what we believe from staff what I believe would be reasonable items to fund with the uh excess fund balance it's obviously this is your decision and your your program this is my uh my recommendation so I wanted to put it here to initiate and get the conversation started and obviously from here the way I Envision this working is at the uh next time that we meet you'll have an ordinance before you which was the same ordinance that was uh presented to you last time with a couple little tweaks some of which I talked about already with the adding of the townwide speed study and the you know the formatting of the administrative ones and so forth but it'll be very close to this ordinance that you saw in April and then from there any uh projects that you want to fund from that excess fund balance then it would be amendments that would be floated on the days on the floor uh to be able to amend and take it from excess fund balance from the $1.4 86 million and then start allocating to some of these projects or any projects that that you deem worthy as a council so I wanted to kind of just set the stage and let you know and what you were looking at and that bottom part is my recommendations from the items that are on the top for the chair councilman coasa you are recognized uh thank you and I just have um a couple questions about the individual line items for instance on the litter crew you described that it was an enhancement to the service a just on the restoration part let's take out the enhancement that's how much would that be Omar the litter crew that that came from your department and again I'm I'm just looking at at restoration of um the the previous service level and while they get that information I had another question with regards to um different items and and the reason I'm going through this exercise is I think I heard through public comments and I'm almost certain for the vice mayor it's going to be important as well uh to restore the senior citizen disability relief program so I'm trying to get to that that that magic number that that you're hitting at at 860 but at the same time preservation preserving some of those [Music] um some of those restoration levels understood and that's why I this is just a conversation starter my my list I I I fully assumed that there were going to be changes and different conversations and Melissa is ready with to take a to maintain a running tally to see how close we are to getting to that let me ask my colleagues are we all on the same page with restoring the senior citizen disability program 100% sure I think I think that's the first task at hand trying to find 77 Grand from that that that list is at least the one that I I'm eyeballing so I have um I have an idea and I I'll uh I'll recognize council member Garcia in a second um but Germaine Germaine to that point the lighting upgrade um at cowpen road to upgrade the those lights is that something that could uh potentially be funded through the FPL franchise fee overage would it yeah would it meet the criteria of that yeah I mean if you remember from the original from the actual ordinance there was a recommendation from operations from public works and uh parks on the the the total amount in franchise fee Surplus was 33,700 so so that amount has to be allocated and their recommendation was to allocate it a certain amount for tree trimming a certain amount for sidewalk repair a certain amount for street light repair a certain amount for tree removal a certain amount for tree planting so anything that we use like those 70,000 to fund that then would have to come from one of these um from one of these items like for instance tree trimming or sidewalk repair so yes the answer to your question 100% is yes it's a qualified expense because the ordinance allows for you know street lights so this is street lights um so I believe that it would qualify we just have to figure out from which of these other bullet points on on the ordinance we'd take it from under that got it no I think that I think that's good because that you know can give us some flexibility to to move some stuff uh around from there and if and if you want to do that it's almost you know that 70 is almost a even swap with the 77 from the senior program we could uh come back to you at the next meeting with a recommendation on how to find the uh 77 out of the uh franchise fee Surplus got it and similarly to to that question the mini Park Capital program it do we have any any park impact fees that could be used for that no the the Park impact fees are allocated mlop right there's no new open space is prohibited but it doesn't qualify for an existing Park it's only to acquire new or enhance or convert something to uh it's for open space two different pots within the park impact fees yeah there's open space that's like what we plan to use for like say if we ever get to the point where we can redevelop the part three but that's to acquire new new open space correct not to not for something like this and all the money that we've had up to now that has been the to you know upgrade or maintain a an existing facility it's all been put into mop so there's nothing other than that got it do we know if we've um generated any impact fees this fiscal year that maybe we didn't budget coming in do we okay okay councilman Garcia thank you very much first of all I want to thank the manager and the staff for putting this together and I know it's it's a it's a difficult exercise and we appreciate all the information you've given us and a quick um quick turnaround um I just want to level set of uh to me the senior the senior uh um giving seniors relief you know is is an no-brainer we have to do that they they deserve that um my just just to get a mindset of my focus is is the basics um to me definitely infrastructure and and uh and the sidewalk repair to me uh is something that I always felt was was lacking and we need to to me focus on on that as much as we can and police overtime of course is something that I think we we need continue to to focus on it's been very successful uh detailed have been very successful it it reaps a lot of benefits it keeps us safe um but we all know that police protection to for our residents and infrastructure and our senior citizens and I know it's a difficult year um but I think if my colleagues just keep that in mind uh those basic infrastructures the basics to keep keep the basics uh front and center um when we make our decisions um and I guess we can get into the weeds in a little bit but I just want to to open up with that excellent thank you councilwoman [Music] R thank you vice mayor so I had a couple of questions with regards to the K9 Cove improvements um the Veterans Park playground lighting as well I think that's self-explanatory but with regards to the improvements to K9 Cove in that $25,000 number what are we looking at as far as improvements so at the last council meeting um I went ahead and presented what the approach would be and what that breakdown was what you're looking at as far as uh immediate in order to bring up the enhancements you have a good amount of money allocated to rotting of worn complete bare areas that uh at this point even with uh long uh rest periods we would not be able to recuperate and actually bring the the saw back so you're looking at about if I remember off the top of my head it's $133,000 in soting you have money that is going to increase frequencies of the maintenance uh to that pocket to that Park um which would assist with um filling in some of the monies that we removed uh for the actual annual Cycles so it's reinstating five um and then it's also increasing and adding some additional maintenance practices so air ration um taken into consideration that this park is budgeted as a pocket park but utilized as an active Park so there are some increased uh actual maintenance practices that will be needed to continue maintaining the park at a at a high level and the goal there is by adding this maintenance practice we have to reduce the amount of sauding needed every year and bring that number down so those are the main uh items it's uh going to be the resting of large born areas at this time um uh reinstating the five cycles that were removed and then going ahead and adding some new additional maintenance practices okay so there's no actual infrastructure that's being added correct it's just sod and maintenance correct thank you Jeremy I have a I have a question through the m manager to to Jeremy um or if the manager wants to enter that that's fine too I I would want some some clarity as to how when we decided to reduce the the tree trimming cycles and the the mowing Cycles how that process was was done uh because I I kind of want to get to to figure out if this number that we have before us restores all of the original funding or if it takes into account that there may be a mow cycles that you know you we can't go back three months and and mow what we didn't mow right so did we move you know did we essentially borrow mowing Cycles from the future and and use them up ER or ER did we uh no we we we were planning the first half of the Year we're done with Cycles with the expectation that that's it that's that's the money that we had for this fiscal year so were spacing them out throughout the year uh what this would do would get us and and this is only for half so in other words if we had funded this from September from October it would have been 265 time 2 so the first half of the year is gone we're not going to obviously we're not asking you to fund the first half of the year that you're right it's in the past we can't go back and and mow something that happened months ago so this is only to bring us to last year's level with the number of Cycles that we did last year but only for the second half of the year if that does that answer your question it it does so then I'm assuming that when we and and we can go back and look at the numbers but when we when we cut the uh the Cycles we cut you know $530,000 total more or less so it's based off of if this were going to be approved in uh if it was going to be approved in May and then issued for new work orders to start in June so yeah yes it should be relatively close it's not going to be an exact half six month 6 months because it does take into consideration of some maintenance practices have to be two times a year and I can't increase it to three so um it's an accurate reflection of what will be completed restoring the the original maintenance annual plan back to 100% for those remaining months yep because when these numbers were formulated remember that we originally were considering presenting first reading of carry forward to you in March then we we made a decision that it wouldn't be in March we were going to wait for the audited financial documents to be done and then uh it was going to be April instead of March and April which if we had done second reading in April it would have been just a couple days into the second half of the uh fiscal year and it made sense now doing we then we went to plan B which was going to be April and May April didn't happen so the these numbers are squeezing right the time frame in order to accomplish this are squeezing so uh for instance the 265 may be able to be reduced by some Factor because now by the time it gets read twice and approved twice if that's an item that you this Council wants to approve we're not going to have as much time right so now we're the time frame is now longer six months it's going to be more like five months or four and a half months or or so forth so understood understood thank you for that does that make sense Jeremy what I just said is that accurate that is accurate all right I finally said something that made sense in other words the longer that we take to approve the carry forward the the less uh the less most Cycles we but the grass is still growing and and the Haier the parks will look yes D duy noted councilman Diez uh would you like to Chairman thank you Mr vice mayor I um um knowing that I was going to be a little late I had an opportunity to kind of be brief with the manager a little earlier um so he kind of explained to me what this document was and everything um I guess my my my question that I do have would be specifically on the mini Park Capital program uh obviously it's phase one phase two and phase three what would be in phase one is this is if I'm not mistaken from the beatification master plan and updating the furniture that's at the parks and and the like correct yeah so it's going to be uh benches All Uniform trash cans All Uniform and then any restoration a signage that's still missing at some of our park at parks and then restoration of some of the uh playground amenities that's right yeah cuz now I remember that uh that was the addition that you had at well yeah no because also you know when you walk by wh Willow Lane and the pocket park there and some of the other parks on on that part of town uh they're missing some of like the rules or or again or they have like the old chain mesh uh garbage well you know Danny lives around there so so he knows you know but so it would be nice to get everything uniform and to finally continue to advance the beautification master plan which has been kind of stuck since 2019 so thank you for the clarification all right do we have any more questions from uh from Council to staff councilman Garcia you are recognized thank you um just a couple questions about field maintenance knowing that um that we're we we we cut the Cycles what what effect did that have if if you would say one to five five being the best one where are our feels right now and what do you attribute that number you're going to give us uh to the you know the The Cutting and half of the of the uh of the Cycles so I'm I'm always going to tell you that uh our fields are are bad so I can pressure our our contractors to have them in the best state possible lies um but they they it does play a hindrance because the biggest impact that we have is um we have a large volume of play um we exceed sometimes with national standards would dictate as far as field uh Field hours of play allotted to any natural Turf areas so with the amount of play we have these reduced Cycles some of the reduced maintenance actions are making it harder for us to maintain our level of Standards um and that's where as we get into the summer now and we get towards the end of Seasons areas that we would typically be able to maintain and uh restore we may have to look in the future at resing and something a little bit more uh potentially costly talk to me about um what you did to mitigate because I know you you know your your your Cycles are couldn't half so safety is first so what are you doing to mitigate um dents or or or anything that can cause you know rolled ankles and things like that you know uh packing in dirt or divots sand keep it especially for soccer yeah we're we're still keeping as far as safety and playable surface uh maintained uh but it's not held to the standard that that we've maintained the parks before um and it's going to also be a portion of that Aesthetics as well did you get feedback from any uh tournaments that came in from the outside you talk about what they what their opinion was of the fields when it came to safety or anything like that did you get any feedback from uh either our current programs or people that came to play from outside fields that the field was at what level was the field did they feel uh was what did compared to Fields I I haven't been able to to survey directly um overall we still get a pretty acceptable level of service um but when we do consider uh hosting some of these pro teams like we have and working with the the schula or the Miami Lakes Hotel and so forth um that be that becomes to be that starts to become a little bit of an issue and bringing in some of these teams with the level of field uh uh maintenance and level of fields that we have currently okay thank you I appreciate your hard work um question to the manager um the litter crew does that include this extra money for the L crew does that include everything inside city limit so even even the sides of the highways uh the the 67th underpass 154th underpass if there's litter on the side yeah we have an agreement with fot to to assist with that fot does it too whenever they uh yeah they maintain that but we do the Lions share that that's an area that is I mean we would have to have a lit crew there daily to to to make it impeccable which is obviously the goal but but uh we do we do that everything within the the town limits and I I'll wait for council member coasa to come back because I have an answer the he asked about the 66,000 and this may be somewhere where you know where you may be going the 66,000 to get us back to last year's level which is two Crews seven days a week it would take $20,000 the other 46,000 for the balance of the year would be able to give us a third crew seven days a a week so that's that that's the numbers and obviously these numbers also the that was also formulated based on a March and April approval you know as this has been delayed you know this has been tweaked and obviously if you if you say well we're not going to give you 60 but we're going to give you $50,000 we'll make that work because the third crew we won't do we'll see how that fits right we'll see the third crew won't be 7 days a week week maybe we'll do the third crew four days a week or some those things are massage we we can we can play with those numbers so the dollars could dictate the frequency of how often we'd have that third crew yeah the reason I ask is there's been a lot of I mean residents have sent pictures and seen the you know during the fence it gets uh the wind blows and that all the all the dirt all the litter gets gets added it look doesn't look very appealing um now we I know we spoke in the past about working with fdot for the town to work with them to keep 67th underpass you know at an acceptable level right I don't see these numbers here in in Council initiatives is there is there um what was that final cost uh in in the in the contract that they wanted us to to agree to yeah I mean the the proposal that they Flo to us via email was that they would bring it up to some level they would pressure wash everything that can the underside cannot be pressure wash cuz of the they say that it would affect the Integrity of the of the concrete but they would uh pressure wash everything paint certain uh surfaces all the vertical surfaces and so forth and then from that point forward we would be responsible what was the annual amount Omar was it yeah while he's looking the litter part of it though they remember we called them and they came out and they cleaned out a lot of stuff is it going to have to be we continue have to call them every single time or what was the the Cadence that they agreed I think the proposal that Omar the number that Omar put together not only included the the uh surface of the concrete and those those surfaces but also had some uh maintenance of the uh of the green space too so let him give him a second and he'll if he can do that just trying to to figure out a cost on how this would add to um okay so the proposal we put together for enhancing or or the town enhancing the maintenance of the 67 underpass included uh pressure washing uh of the the surfaces see what else class five coding and what we anticipated to collect a year is to have enough so at the at the cycle at the 10e cycle we have the money collected to to be able to pay for that class 5 coding which is the painting and Mowing and palm front debris removal this comes out to 50,7 $ a year and this includes services that we'll be doing uh throughout the year and also collection of funds for the fiveyear 10year items that so we can have that F that fund at the end of the day and we can that portion we can probably take out of that number and and just put it into the syncing fund calculation right the recalculation that I know you and K were working on for the class five yeah but in in this case since that was that was separate we put in if if it's just the the parks side or the or the green space the briis and the and the mo that's $225,000 a year okay okay so it would cost just $25,000 a year to yeah for for 18 Cycles make sure we're cleaning we're cleaning it up like the the litter is that what you're referring 25 would be the pressure washing no no so $25,000 a year is for mowing and palm front debris removal not literally not litter are they going to continue to do it in because I I mean I I remember I read that months ago are they going to continue to do a the only time that they do it absolutely not they never do that the only time that they pick up litter is when they come and their mowing Crews and a lot of times instead of picking up a litter they they mow the litter yeah so I would ask my colleagues to take that into consideration when they're looking at the lit litter crew uh line item um to add that portion We'll add it on here for the next time that you see it when the ordinance comes back to you we'll add it to this laundry list of items the items for 67th Avenue underpass that was missing from that accumulates very quickly compared to other parts of the town and it's just a it's not a a good look for us um the the lighting for the upgrade at cowpen Road uh you said uh Senator Garcia's office is going to is going to uh provide half of that fun correct they're paying from their The District budget 70,000 and they're looking for the town to pay the other 70,000 well that's an opportunity I think uh we we can't um pass U and the last question I have to the uh Town attorney yeah uh regarding any future you feel any future legal fees that might come up uh or anything you want to speak about yeah I don't um I I rarely get involved in the budgeting process because I don't know a whole lot about it um so the only thing I'm going to ask without going into any detail I really want to avoid the detail um because of the mediation process and the requirement to keep things confidential especially when we're still negotiating I've discussed with each one of you uh the reasons why I'm asking uh for this money uh and I've received your opinions and respect them but uh I really think you need to set aside $625,000 in the 24 budget uh for a potential settles now I don't want to mislead anybody into thinking that that is the settlement figure the settlement figure will likely be much more than that and have to be broken up into pieces but I do need you to uh to set aside that amount um because I think we are very close uh to something um but I'd like to do and now that we're here I would like to do an executive session as soon as the uh right after the next council person is elected whenever whenever that is I know it's April 30th I don't know when that council person takes office I think there's a period of time um but I do want to have an executive session after that uh one more time but I really would request that you set aside $625,000 in this budget for that they can't vote on that tonight though no right yeah I was I was going to to make that very uh very same point just for the the benefit of of some of those that might be watching uh tonight and by no means do I have unanimity D duly noted and so um I I wanted to put that that point on the record that tonight we are asking questions of staff and and having conversations amongst each other uh to uh decide uh which items we want to prioritize as part of this budget process but by no means are we making any formal decisions nor can any action be taken at tonight's Workshop it is a it is a workshop uh so I just wanted to put that on the record thank you uh and councilman dieas you are recognized thank you Mr vice mayor um so Ro is it really necessary to have another executive session um it I I just feel though that whoever the new council member is that you'll be able to brief them perfectly adequately um without having to get everybody together again I feel like we've already had order in order to reserve the right to have a session I have to ask for it do I want to ask for it no these they are no fun especially in this matter so you're just reserving your rights exactly but when the new council person is elected I will brief them uh it it will be the first thing that they probably hear um as far as as far as their their duties up here and everything else and they will be briefed thoroughly on my recommendations and things like like that and they will be brought up to speed on everything that's been uh done uh and then I've told all of you what my plans are after that and we'll go from there I hate to be so vague uh but I am purposefully being vague that's fine but I think I speak for all of us when I say we just don't want to have meetings to have meetings I yes they're no fun very good Council woman Toronto would you like another opportunity to ask question councilman U coyaso I'll let I'll let councilman R go first no I I don't think she oh okay yeah no the um the only question that I got asked right now I guess somebody's watching um the meeting is the lighting upgr to to cowpen road if it's just one intersection and we're paling the difference or the balance in the lights that's 140,000 total it seemed a little um large right for especially just to to um I guess upgrade the aesthetic of the light I'm in agreement with with with that it should be done but how did they get to that number yeah it's a number that was provided Omar by Miami day County right they're the ones who provided that 140 and what it is is they're going to put a traffic signal at that intersection so the approach into the into the intersection from both sides actually probably from all three sides it's a three-way uh intersection uh the they have to add more light so they could add the lights that are necessary they can put now remember that the the larger gray ugly gooseneck lights theyd probably have to do fewer of them the the shorter black decorative lights that are more in line with the lights that we have in that that whole entire Corridor would probably be more lights and so to transition from fewer bigger gray lights to the more black decorative lights that's the number that was provided by Miami day County so they would do the project we would be we would probably be giving them or turning giving that money to them to make to approve the in the only question that was being asked is to drill into the number with them to make sure that we're paying a variance rate a variable a variance not the entirety of the of so exactly that that you're getting a credit for the gray ones because it seemed to their math right it just seemed like we were getting the whole thing so just drill into the number and if you we'll take a look at yeah and that that was the question that was asked it was that we would pay the difference uh to it to bring him up to the decorative poll that we're requesting so they they are crediting the what they would have already paid if if it was the standard Cobra light right and um the the last thing and it goes back to the issue of the litter crew and how we use them um I have no appetite for doing F dos work um I I I believe that that if we're going to over the 10year period half a million dollars to do something that they're already financially on the hook for is not something that I have appetite for but I think repeat that council member I didn't you don't have an appetite for what F fot would would more than happily give us the right of way if if we would if we would um agree to to take care of it and do a better job I but I have no appetite of spending half a million dollars over 10 years to do a better job than they are I I do have an appetite to hold them accountable and continue that underpass I don't know what has happened but it looks a heck of a lot better and I think the complaints are working right and that's something that we can do but when when councilman Garcia was was uh referencing the usage of our litter crew I would not be opposed um to having our litter crew go in there and clean up uh if if we were to goe with enhanced service right but still hold them accountable to their their maintenance and and their and then when it gets a little dicey say hey guys you know we have an extra litter crew here uh can you guys go so I don't know if there's a if if they would be amable to allowing us access um from time to time to to to kind of um after a big heavy wind event right and maybe they're not going to get about around to it as quickly as possible we can deploy a litter crew let us into their grounds clean up whatever is there but I think that might be a nice kind of Middle Ground so to speak to to address that that issue without necessarily uh taking in $50,000 a year of a recurring expense so that's where I was going through I don't know I and I know uh councilman Garcia you you've been a big champion of of that whole underpass and and taking it on I don't I don't necessarily want to take on that $50,000 burden right now but I think that might be a way to address the the concern and I live in the area I've seen the Improvement but I've also seen what he's talking about from time to time um the way does tend to accumulate I have no problem hitting that call button and say hey this area needs help and and and come back out and address having the third crew seven days a week the third litter crew seven days a week gives us more flexibility to pull them off one you know regular routine route and say hey today we want you to concentrate on this intersection or this area this exit of the Palmetto or the underpass or whatever we want it's easier to to do special assignments with that third crew yeah so the yes so the the the comments from cilman coyaso kind of sparked some some thought right so we we currently do that for the underpass on 154 right we're the ones that that do the bulk of the uh of the litter Cleanup in and around that that area because we do all of4 correct so how much what is what is the the Cadence of service like how often does our litter crew go there and what is the cost can we isolate the cost of specifically that and then I would like I would want to look at that number just by itself to see if you know we can we can apply it to that to to 67th Avenue and see what if it's worth it or not to supplement you mean the underpass of4 correct so if if our litter I I want to find out how often our litter crew goes to4 and how much time they're there so we can figure out what the cost of doing specifically that underpass is and then look at have that as an option to look at if we want them to do the same level of service at 67th what does that entail is that you know a visit by the litter crew once a week every day you know what what is what does that4 well the major streets are daily the unique part of4 is that the m is the major Crossing so anytime they have to they're on a call going from one side to the other they just happen to pass by there and if they see something they do pick it up 67 on the other hand it's it's on it's on the outskirts um and the perimeter roads that we would do that preferably once a week is as long as we're on cycle if we have to break off a cycle that may reduced so that's that that area does not get as many visits as once4 regularly does so can we get a cost to visit that underpass once a week and add that potentially add that to our to our enh litter we'll review that yeah because we've never had the three crews so if you fund the three crew seven days a week we'll have toit and strategize with sfm and say okay what's the best uh deployment of this third crew you know which thorough fares where the we going to concentrate them so that that that whole area there the underpass will be factored into that conversation with sfm to make sure that that's done on a frequent basis understood and to to add it would be the area accessible outside the fence behind the fence we we don't have access and that was the point that I was making to see if if we're going to send a litter crew there to do their job can can we get access right they're more than happy to give us the entire kitten Kabuto so to speak but could if if we're going in there to address papers that strewn I know what councilman Garcia is referencing is it gets caught up in the fencing and it does look pretty bad right and even the side on Windmill gate right all of that side perimeter Road when a wind comes it'll blow debris if you have a an extra litter crew to go down that Perimeter Road might not be a heavy lift it can probably be knocked out in four five hours it's not going to do a full day of work you know just going down it'll look half not to say a bad word but it's going to look half complete if if you don't go inside that fence area right because we'll work with fot to try and see about getting access we're not not 100% sure that they'll grant us a especially on the sloped area but we'll work with them on and doing that we've never had three litter Crews right so once we do you know the L Crews go to the the pocket Parks they empty out the uh doggy was stations they the trash you know so there's a whole there's a whole way of how these Crews that we do have are deployed so once we have now three crews seven days a week we'll we'll strategize with the crews and with sfms management and we'll say okay this is our objective some of the areas that are hot spots and so forth and say maybe it's wiping the sleigh clean and coming up with a whole with a whole new deployment strategy to say these are the areas that we want to hit and uh how can we better do it because they they do it geographically they like the crew that is on the West Side they do the pocket parks and then they'll do some of the thoroughfares maybe that's the best way you know to not have them running all over to but we'll strategize with them and see which is the best way to deploy three crews if if we go to that that level of of service and and I know that you've gotten my calls early in the morning especially when I'm taking my kids to school um K8 and the pocket parks that are visited by kids after school tend to have a lot of rubbish so if you're redesigning a cleanup type of plan I would say besides that Perimeter Road hitting our pocket Parks almost on at least on school days hitting those pocket Parks the Kade uh pocket park um you know any of these pocket parks that are visited on a daily basis should be added to that daily routine so I I can see the that third crew being an enhancement townwide right and and how you break that up and administrate it so I I I'm in support of it I just don't want to take off F Do's responsibility and if we're talking about 50,000 versus spending 20,000 on additional litter crew I'll take the 20,000 litter crew and let's see how we can best utilize it all day rather than assume that liability from fot why and if this is going to be the new normal if if this Council decides to fund that what we'll do before sitting down with with sfm I'll send you all an email and say cuz you guys get a lot of the complaint calls and a lot of the complaint emails so you have a pretty good you you know feel for what are the hotpots so I'll say give me what you believe to be some of the hotpots and you you all live in different parts of town so you you get different levels of complaint your your your your your your residents are different so you'll have a good sense so I'll get those from you and then when we sit down to sfm we'll say okay give us your strategy but we also want to make sure we're we're targeting these hotpots that you know are AAS of concern for our residents anyone else no if if we're about to adjourn I just want to thank the uh manager and thank all my colleagues I think these types of conversations are a lot better than if we were trying to do this from the deis um I think they they they tend to work and um manager I want to thank you for kind of setting putting us in in kind of reading our our minds um where where I'm at is is um definitely making sure that we somehow include that uh the senior tax uh in there and I'm completely fine with with kind of you know shifting some of the ways that that that we look at that funding but I'm I'm very comfortable with what you're presenting and I'm also comfortable with making sure that we have the uh amount uh the set aside on The Reserve side that we need for whatever future liabilities so thank you very much Mr chair may I yes of course may I ask since we're having this open dialogue where everyone else is on the playground lighting for Veterans Park I know that we're looking for funding to be able to reinstate the senior um the senior citizen and disability relief program and some of the things that we're looking at like litter I think are perhaps things that we get more complaints about than the uh than the playground lighting I know that during the winter months is usually when when the park I guess it's a little harder to use right because it gets dark earlier um that's something and that's why I asked about the K9 Cove improvements I thought it was infrastructure improvements like the lighting to the playground I think that these are um both lines that I'm willing to sacrifice in exchange for the um the litter crew and the uh and the senior program so at at your request I will put uh my my thoughts on the record those are probably the two line items out of the manager's recommendation that that I'm uh most comfortable with eliminating in favor of uh either the senior rebate or uh something else so you said the Veterans Park lighting the playground lighting and what else and the K9 Cove improvements okay I think we can make it happen I mean some of the if you were to take the recommendations that I gave you below the the dark black line and you said you'd rather fund the senior center or the senior citizen relief program with reallocating some of the money that was earmarked from the fpnl franchise fee to the lighting project on Calen with a couple other tweaks I think we can we can get there I was going to tell you I think I thought that was the solution the reallocating of the they're $7,000 apart so right but but we but we did say that um the reallocation would then sacrifice sidewalks no I I don't know that yet let me let me talk to parks and public works and then I'll come back to you with a revised recommendation on what would be the less painful the least painful right I just don't want to sacrifice some infrastructure improvements that no I understand understood but some of the things are more uh able to be deferred till next fiscal year that won't be the pain won't be felt as much and I'm not talking about walks and things of that nature that are very okay that are more urgent thank you anyone else yes I'd like to uh make a motion to reopen public comments I heard Cody colazo had public comments for the record and I I'll second him back we have a motion in a second just kidding just kidding motion withdrawn motion withdraw seeing uh seeing no other um of my colleagues wishing to speak meeting is adjourned go heat let's go