##VIDEO ID:ieWLzrPYNO4## >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS  AISHA CHUGHTAI AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I'M  GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR FIRST BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE  YEAR FOR  MONDAY,JANUARY 13, 2025. BEFORE  WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I WANT TO  OFFER A FRIENDLY REMIND T ALL  MEMBERS, STAFF AND THE PUBLIC  THAT THESE BROADCAST MEETINGS  ARE LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER  PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE  BROADCASTS INCLUDE REAL-TIME  CAPTIONING. THEREFORE, ALL  SPKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF  THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR  THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL  SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THE SPEED  AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS.  AT THIS TIME'LL ASK THE CLERK  TO CALL THE ROLL SO WE CAN  VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE.  >> PRESENT.  >> WONSLEY.  >> PRESENT.  >> RAINVILLE.  >> PRESENT.  >> VETAW.  >> PRESENT.  >> ELLISON. ABSENT. OSMAN.  >> PRESENT.  >> CASHMAN IS ABSENT. JENKINS IS ABSENT. CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT.  >> CHOWDHURY.  >> PRESENT.  >> PALMISANO.  >> PRESENT.  >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI IS ABSENT.  CHAIR CHUGHTAI.  >> ESENT.  >> --  >> OUR FIRST ITEM TODAY IS OUR  ONLY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA  WHICH IS -- APPOINTING MEMBERS  TO SEAT 5 WHICH IS A WARD 3  REPRESENTATIVE AND SEAT 26,  WHICH IS A WARD 13  REPRESENTATIVE. ARE THERE ANY  QUESONS FROM THE COMMITTEE  RELATED TO THIS ITEM? I AM NOT  SEEING ANY. SO WITH THAT, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT  AGENDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR  PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.  >> AYE.  >> THOSE OPPOSED A NAY. THE AYES HAVE IT AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. NEXT UP FOR DISCUSSION IS ITEM  NUMBER TWO WHICH IS THE  APPOINTED POSITION IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR BUREAUHIEF  CIVILIAN. I WILL NOW INVITE  BRENDA MILLER FROM THE HUMAN  RESOURCES DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN  THE PRESENTATION. WELCOME, MS.  MILLER.  >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR  CHUGHTAI, MEMBERS OF THE  COMMITTEE. I'M HERE TODAY TO  PRESENT THE APPOINTED POSITION  OF THE BUREAU CHI CIVILIAN IN  THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE  BUREAU CHIEF WILL BE PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REPORT TO  THE ASSISTANT POLICE CHIEF  COMMUNITY TRUST AND ENGAGEMENT.  AND THAT' DIFFERENT THAN WHAT  YOU WOULD FIND IN THE RCA. SO  THAT WAS SOM LAST MINUTE  CHANGES THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE RCA. THE BUREAU CHIEF IS  ESSENTIAL FOR ENHANCING  OPERATION SUPPORT AND  REINFORCING THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT TO  TRANSPAREN, ACCOUNTABILITY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THE BUREAU CHIEF CIVILIAN IS RESPONSIBLE  FOR ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS  INCLUDING OVERSEEING ACTIVITIES  TO ACHIEVE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES  CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OF THE  POLICE CHIEF. THE BUREAU CHIEF  CIVILIAN HAS BEEN EVALUATED AT  725 POINTS, GRA 16. THE 2025  SALARY SCHEDULE RANGES FROM  $158,652 TO $188,071. THE 2025  COST WILL BE COVERED BY A  DUCTION IN OPERATING SUPPLIES. AND CHANGES ARE EFFECTIVE  JANUARY 16, 2025. THIS POSITION  MEETS THE CRITERIA OF SECTION  20.1010 OF THE MINNEAPOLIS CODE  OF ORDINANCES. IT REPORTS TO THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE. IT'S  A MEMBER OF THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE  MANAGEMENT TEAM. IT PARTICIPATES IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND  IMPLEMENTATION OF CITY POLICY,  GOALS, AND STRATEGIC PLANNING  FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT  REQUIRES LEADERSHIP, VISION,  TEAM BUILDING AND STRATEGY  IMPLEMENTATION. AND  ESTABLISHES -- MAYOR, CITY  COUNCIL, AND THE CHIEF OF  POLICE. PLEASE FIND THAT THE  BUREAU CHIEF CIVILIAN MEETS THE  APPOINTED CRITERIAS DEFINED IN  SECTION 20.1010 AND FORWARDED ON TO COUNCIL FORAPPROVAL. THANK  YOU.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT  PRESENTATION, MS. MILLER. I WILL NOTEHAT WE HAVE BEEN JOINED IN THIS COMMITTEE MEETING BY  COUNCIL MEMBER JENKS. WITH  THAT, I WILL NOW INVITE CHIEF  BRIAN O'HARA TO SHARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE  SIGNIFICANCE AND NEED FOR THIS  PROPOSING POSITION. WELCOME,  CHIEF.  >> HEY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE  PRES PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT AND  MEMBERS. THIS IS A BRIEF  OVEREW OF THE STAFF AT MPD.  PREVIOUS MEANS WHAT IT WAS WHEN  I GOT HERE IN 2022. CURRENT ARE  CHANGES WE MADE IN THE STRUCTURE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU IN 2023.  AND SO WHAT IS BLUE IN THE  CURRENT STRUCTURE IS STAFFED.  WHAT IS SHADED GRAY IS VACANT.  D THEN THE PROPOSAL IS ON THE  RIGHT, AND THAT IS ESSENTIALLY  TO CREATE A CIVILIAN LEVEL  EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBER WITHIN  THE COMMUNITY TRUST AND  ENGAGEMENTBUREAU. AND TO MOVE  ONE OF THOSE CURRENT VACANCIES  IN TO OPERATIONS. SO I'LL  EXPLAIN ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT I  TODAY, THE TITLE THAT WE CAME UP WITH, WITH THE HELP OF THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS BUREAU  CHIEF. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WT A DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE DOES.  THERE WAS CONCERN I WE CALLED  IT DEPUTY CHIEF. THERE WAS  CONCERN WHETHER OR NOT THAT  TITLE IN AND OF ITSELF WOULD BE  LAWFUL FOR A CIVILIAN TO HAVE.  SO WE SETTL ON BUREAU CHIEF,  WHICH ESSENTIALLY DESCRIBES THE  EXECUTIVE LEVEL AUTHORITY THAT A SWORN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE  S. SO THEN THE QUESTION  BECOMES WHY DO WE WANT HIGH  LEVEL CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK IT'S  CLEAR THAT CIVILIAN LEADERS  PROVIDE SKILLS THAT ARE  DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS  TRADITIONALLY AVAILABLE FROM  SWORN MEMBERS IN LAW  ENFORCEMENT. THEY PROVIDE  DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES THAT I  THINK WILL HELP US MODERNIZE,  CHANGE CULTURE, AND THINK ABOUT  SOME OF THE ISSUES AND THE  PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE  DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT HAS BEEN  ADDRESSED IN THE PAST. I THINK  IT WILL HELP TO HAVE A BRIDGE  BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND T  COMMUNITY TO HAVE A CIVILIAN IN  A HIGH LEVEL O EXECUTIVE  AUTHORITY WITHIN THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT. ESSENTIALLY, AS THE  SAME AS THE CURRENT DEPUTY  CHIEFS. I THINK THAT OUTSIDE  PERSPECTIVE WILL HELP US BE MORE RESPONSIVE AND MORE ACCOUNTABLE  TO THE COMMUNITY PARTICULARLY AS WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPLEMENT  REFORMS UNDER BOTH SETTLEMENT  AGREEMENTS IN THE STATE, IN THE  FEDERAL CONSENT DECREE. I THINK  IT'S CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU BRING  CIVILIANS IN ON THIS LEVEL IT  HAS TO BE REAL BOTH INTERNALLY  AND EXTERNALLY. THE CIVILIAN  NEEDS TO CLEARLY HAVE THE SAME  LEVEL OF AUTHORITY AS SWORN  MEMBERS ON THAT VEL. SO THAT  IT IS SEEN BOTH INTERNALLY,  INTERNALLY RESPECTED AS A MEMBER OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, AS WELL  AS EXTERNALLY FOR WHAT WE'RE  TRNG TO ACCOMPLISH. IN TERMS  OF, YOU KNOW, CIVILIAN  LEADERSHIP IN THE MPD, THE MPD  HAS HAD DIRECTORS THAT ARE  CIVILIAN. CURRENTLY DOES HAVE  DIRECTORS OVER OUR FORENSICS,  OVER BUDGET, AND ALSO IN THE  TRAINING DIVISION THAT ARE  CIVILIAN ELOYEES THAT ARE  ESSENTIALLY ON THE SAME LEVEL AS COMMANDERSTHE RANK OF  COMMANDERS IN THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT. ANDO OBVIOUSLY,  PARAMILITARY STRUCTURE, CHAIN OF COMMAND, ALL THESE THINGS ARE  IMPORTANT IN POLICING. AND SO  THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE IT  CLEAR THAT INSTITUTING THIS NEW  CIVILIAN POSITION WILL BE THE  EQUIVALENT ON THE LEVEL OF A  DEPUTY CHIEF. COMPARING, YOU  KNOW, WHERE DOES SOMETHING EXIST IN POLICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. I THINK THEARGEST  POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE  COUNTRY AND THE MOST PROGRESSIVE HAVE ALREADY HAD SOMETHING  SIMILAR. IT'S JUST THE TITLES  CHANGE BASED ON PLACES THAT YOU GO. SO DANNY MURPHY IS SOMEONE  WHO HAS BEEN DOING WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HELPING  AROUND CONSENT DECREE ISSUES.  HIS PREVIOUS JOB WAS DEPUTY  COMMISSIONER OF CONSTITUTIONAL  POLICING FOR THE BALTIMORE  POLICE DEPARTMENT. IN BALTIMORE, THE HEAD OF THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT IS NOT CALLED CHIEF,  THEY'RE CALLED POLICE  COMMISSIONER. AND DANNY WAS A  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER JUST LIKE  THE SWORN DEPUTY COMMISSIONERS  IN BALTIMORE. NEW YORK CITY  TODAY HAS LEGITIMATELY CIVILIAN  AS THE POLICE COMMISSIONER. SHE  WAS PREVIOUSLY A CIVILIAN DEPUTY COMMISSIONER IN THE NYPD. NYPD  HAS A LONG HTORY OF CIVILIANS  IN VERY HIGH LEVEL EXECUTIVE  AUTHORITY. IN LOS ANGELES, LOS  ANGELES HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL  POLICING BUREAU WHICH MPD ALSO  IMPLEMENTED, AND HAS HAD  CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP OVER THAT  BUREAU. THE TITLE THERE I  BELIEVE IS DIRECTOR. BUT IT IS  VERY CLEAR THAT THEY LEAD THE  BUREAU IN THE SAME WAY THAT THE  CHIEFS THERE LEAD OTHER BUREAUS. CHICAGO HAS CIVILIAN EXECUTI  LEADERSHIP. THEY ALSO HAVE  CIVILIAN IN THE TITLE OF  INSPECTOR GENERAL WITHIN THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT. SAN  FRANCISCO, SEATTLE, AUSTIN,  TEXAS, PORTLAND ALLAVE SIMILAR POSITIONS WITH DIFFERENT TITLES. CHUCK RAMSEY, WHICH WAS CHIEF OF POLICE IN WASHINGTON D.C. FOR  ALMOST 10 YEARS AND THEN SEVERAL MORE YEARS LATER IN  PHILADELPHIA, BROUGHT HIGH LEVEL CIVILIAN ON A HIGH LEVEL DEPUTY  POSITION TO HIM IN BOTH OF THOSE AGENCIES. SO IT'S SOMHING  THAT'S NOT UNPRECEDENTED. IT'S  UNPRECEDENTED HERE IN  MINNEAPOLIS BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE NOT HAD CIVILIANS WITH THAT MUCH AUTHORITY IN THE PAST. BUT I  THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL  HELP STRENGTHEN THE DEPARTMENT.  REALLY BRING A DIVERSITY OF  PERSPECTIVES ASE'RE LOOKING TO DO THAT IMPORTANT WORK THAT IS  UNDER THE COMMUNITY AND TRUST  AND ENGAGEMENT BUREAU, WHICH IS  CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING, ALL OF  OUR EFFORTS AROUND REFORM. IT IS INTEAL AFFAIRS TRAINING. ALL  OF THOSE THINGS THAT QUITE  FRANKLY, NOT ONLY COULD BE DONE  BY A CIVILIAN IF YOU HAVE THE  RIGHT PERSON THAT'S QUALIFIED.  IN MANY SES, COULD BE DONE  BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE  AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF SWORN  STAFF. SO I THINK THAT'S THE  KIND OF THE HIGHER LEVEL  OVERVIEW, AND I'LL JUST ANSWER  ANY QUESTIONS THAT THERE ARE  ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU.  >> THANK YOU AGAIN, FOR YOUR  PRESENTATION, MS. MILLER A  CHIEF O'HARA. BEFORE WE OPEN UP  FOR DISCUSSION, IF WE CAN  JUST -- WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I  ASKED YOU A BRIEF CLARIFYING  QUESTION ABO THE STRUCTURE. IN THE PPOSAL SECTION WHERE THE  ASSISTANT CHIEF OF OPERATIONS  WILL NOW HAVE THREE DEPUTY  CHIEFS REPORTING, IN ADDITION TO THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF  INVESTIGATIONS AND PATROL, WHICH THIRD DEPUTY CHIEF IS UNDER  OPERATIONS NOW?  >> SO COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT, WE HAVE LEFT THAT OPEN. CURRENTLY  HAVE TWO VACANCIES IN THE SWORN  DEPUTY CHIEF RANK AS IT IS.  THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO IF WE HAD AN  ADDITIONAL DEPUTY CHIEF TO FOCUS ON LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES.  AND I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON  BOTH WHO WAS AVAILABLE AND KIND  OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THE  TIME. SO FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW  AFTER NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, WE  ROTATE AROUND A LIEUTENANT TO SERVE AS THE WATCH COMMANDER.  THAT IS THE ONLY PERSON, IT'S  ONLY A LIEUTENANT THAT'S ON DUTY AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS,  AND IT'S NOT A FIXED POTION.  IT'S SOMETHING THAT GETS ROTATED AROUND THROUGH EVERYBODY. THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION. IT WOULD BEORE IDEAL TO HAVE SOMEONE ON A HIGHER LEVEL THAT IS  CONSISTENT TT DOESN'T HAVE  LOYALTIES TO THIS PRECINCT OR  THATNE WHEN DECISIONS NEED TO  GET MADE. WHICH IS SOMETHING  THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD HAVE A CHIEF ON THAT LEVEL ASSIGNED TO  OPERATIONS ON OFF DUTY,  OVERNIGHT HOURS, ON THE WEEKEND, THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT IS AN OPTION. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD  BE TO DIVIDE INVESTIGATIONS AND  FOCUS LIKE I BELIEVE SAINT PAUL  HAS DEPUTY CHIEF FOR MAJOR  CRIMES, A SPLIT UP  INVESTIGATIONS BETWEEN MAJOR  CRIMES AND SPECIAL  VICTIMS/PROPER. THAT IS  ANOTHER OPTION. ANOTHER THING I  WOULDN'T RULE OUT IN THE FUTURE PARTICULARLY AS WE'VE HAD, YOU  KNOW, SIGNIFICANT ATTRITION.  EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. AND YOU  KNOW, WE HAVE YOUNGER PEOPL  COMING UP, YOU KNOW, AS WE WILL  CONTINUE TO HAVE RETIREMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE MAY WIND  UP BEING IN A POSITION WHERE,  YOU KNOW, SE OF OUR COMMAND  STAFF DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE THAT TRADITIONLY PEOPLE HAD.  SO WE COULD POTENTIALLY DIVIDE  THE CITY INTO SORT OF NORTH  SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, AND HAVE MORE  MENTORSHIP DIRECTLY OVER THE  PRECINCTS. SO THERE'S A NUMBER  OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. BUT  I THINK THE POINT HERE BECAUSE  WE CAN'T SUPPLANT. I CAN'T, YOU  KNOW, ELIMINATE THIS CIVILIAN- I CAN'T ELIMINATE A SWORN  POSITION HERE IN ORDER TO HAVE A CIVILIAN. BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THE GOAL IS TO GET THE  SWORN MEMBER ON THAT LEVEL BACK  OVER INTO STUFF THAT'S DEALING  OPERATIONALLY WITH LAW  ENFORCEMENT MATTERS.  >> THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I  WILL RECOGNI COUNCIL MEMBER  RAINVILLE.  >> THANK YOU. CHIEF, I HAVE A  QUESTION AND THEN A COMMENT.  I'LL START WITHY QUESTION. IN  YO EXPERIENCE IN NEW YORK,  NEWARK -- EASY FOR YOU TO SAY.  DID THIS CIVILIAN POSITION, HOW  DID THE RECOOPERATION AND  ACCEPTANCE WITH ITS SRN  OFFICERS, HOW DID THAT WORK OUT? >> YEAH. COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBER, SO I WAS THE  PUBLIC SAFETY DIRECTOR, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY A CIVILIAN POSITION  IN AND OF ITSELF. BUT WAS  TRADITIONALLY FILLED WITH  SOMEONE WHO WAS FROM LAW  ENFORCEMENT. I ADDED ON A DEPUTY TO ME, REVEREND SLAUGHTER, WHO  WAS A NEW ADDITIO TO THE  EXECUTIVE STAFF. AND FRANKLY,  WAS INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. THERE  WERE NO ISSUES INTERNALLY, AND  IT'S SOMHING THAT WAS -- IT  WAS HELPFUL TO US PARTICULARLY  ENGAGING WITH COMMUNITY AND  DOG SOME OF THE REFORM WORK.  BUT THERE'S SUCH A VARIETY OF  HOW THESE THINGS ARE  IMPLEMENTED, ANDHEN IN THE  STATE OF NEW JERSEY, THERE'S  LIMITATIONS ON WHAT I COULD HAVE CIVILIANS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I  COULDN'T HAVE NECESSARILY HAVE  SWORN MEMBERS REPORTING DIRECTLY TO A CIVILIAN.  >> OKAY.  >> SO DIFFERENT.  >> YOU'RE SEEING THE EXPERIENCE  IN ALL THE CITIES IS THA THIS  IS VERY HELPFUL.  >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT,  COUNCIL MEMBER, YES.  >> THANK YOU. JUST A COMMENT.  THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THE SEAF SOUL CEREMONY TO SEE THE  NEW CADETS. IT'S HEARTWARMING TO SEE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT  INCREASE DIVERSITY THAT IS  REPRESENTED, A LIFE  EXPERIENCE, OF COURSE RACE, AGE, GENDER. YOU'RE REALLY DOING A  GOOD JOB. SO THANK YOU FOR  INVITING ME TO THAT.  >> THANK YOU.  >> THANK YOU. NEXT I'LL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  JENKINS.  >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. AND CHIEF  O'HARA. I GUESS I'M JUST  CURIOUS, AND MAYBE I MISSED  THIS, SO IF I DID, I APOLOGIZE.  BUT WHAT KIND OF BACKGROUND  WOULD A CIVILIAN BRING TO THIS,  IF NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT? A LAW  DEGREE. I'M NOT SURE.  >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT,  COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU. I  SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED THAT.  WORKING WITH HR, WE MADE THE  POSTING SOMEWHAT GENERIC TO  ACCOUNT FOR THE DIVERSITY OF  EXPERIENCES THAT ARE DIRECTLY  RELEVANT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M  SURE YOU COULD IMAGINE HAVING A  PERSON WHO IS AN ATTORNEY WHO  HAS DONE WORK, YOU KNOW, IN  OTHER CITIES AROUND IMPLEMENTING REFORMS. THAT COULD OBVIOUSLY  BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE  EXCEPTIONALLY WELL QUALIFIED TO  DO THE SAME JOB HERE. LEAD OUR  CONSTITUTIONAL PICING BUREAU.  OR FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE WITH  EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW,  INVESTIGATING MISCONDUCT IN  POLICING. YOU KNOW. LIKE SOMEONE WITH -- NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO  STEAL HER BUT DIRECTOR AND CIVIL RIGHTS NOW. LIKE SOMEONE WITH  HER EXPERIENCE IN DIFFERENT  CITIES THAT HAS OVERSEEN  INVESTIGATIONS OF PERSONNEL.  COULD OBVIOUSLY BE VERY WELL  QUALIFIED TO DO THE SAMEORK  HERE. SO IT WAS INTENTIONAL TO  TRY AND ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW,  THE EXPERNCES THAT ARE  RELEVANT. AND THAT'S WHY YOU  KNOW, PLACING THEM IN A  PARTICULAR POSITION WOULD BE  DEPENDENT ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT  FIT. IF THAT MAKES SENSE.  >> THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL.  >> SURE.  >> THANK YOU. I'M SEEING NO -- I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  CHOWDHURY.  >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR YOUR  PRESENTATION. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE JOB CLASSIFICATION  DOCUMENT AND RECOMMEND TO ANYON TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE  IT'S VERY, VERY ROBUST. I'LL  JUST SAY THIS POSITION IS TAKING ON A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF IT IS RELATED TO THE WORK AROUND  THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. I WAS  KINDA JUST WONDERING IF YOU  COULD MAYBE ARTICULATE A LITTLE  BIT FURTHER SOME OF THE  DELIVERABLES YOU'RE HOPING TO  SEE THIS POSITION GIVE. IT SEE LIKE THIS POSITION HAS A LOT OF  WORK THAT'S BOTH INTERNAL TO THE DEPARTMENT BUT ALSO EXTERNAL TO  THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN IT SAYS  WITHIN THE JOB DESCRIPTION THIS  PERSON'S ROLE WOULD ACT AS A  LIAISON BETWEEN MINNEAPOLIS  POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ELECTED  OFFICIALS, BRIEF COUNCIL, BRIEF  THE MAYOR. MAYBE Y CAN SPEAK  TO THE DELIVERABLES. MAYBE YOU  COULD JUST SHARE THE GAP THAT  EXISTS THIS IS SEEKING TO  FULFILL.  >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT,  COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU. IN  TERMS OF ADDRESSING THEGAP, OUT OF ABOUT 26 APPOINTED POSITIONS  THAT ARE SWORN, I HAVE MADE 24  NEW APPOINTMENTS SINCE I'VE BEEN THE CHIEF. AND SO WITH THE  VOLUME OF TURNOVER, THERE'S A  LIMITATION ON BOTH PEOPLE WITH  RELEVANT EXPERIENCE, BUT ALSO  PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE  ON AN APPOINTED POSITION. SO  OBVIOUSLY STAFFING AND  EXPERIENCE IS A GAP THAT THIS  LOOKS TO ADDRESS. BUT IN  ADDITION TO JUST SIMPLY HAVING  THAT GAP, I THINK THIS IS AN  UPGRADE FROM WHAT WE HAVE  AVAILABLE. THERE IS A LOT OF  CIVILIAN EXPERIENCE OUT THERE IN HER MAJOR CITIES AND OTHER  POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT QUITE  FRANKLY, OUR PEOPLE HERE DON'T  HAVE. THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IF  WE WERE ABLE TO RECRUIT SOMEONE  WITH THAT CIVILIAN EXECUTIVE  LEVEL EXPERIENCE ELSEWHERE.  >> THANK YOU. AND THAT KINDA  LIKE GOES INTO MY NEXT QUESTION  IS ARE WE THINKING OF LOOKING  INTERNALLY FOR SOMEBODY WITHIN  THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS OR THE  GOAL IS TO KIND OF RECRUIT  OUTSIDE. IT SOUNDS LIKE  RECRUITING FROM OUTDE IS THE  GOAL ON THIS ONE TO BRING IN  SOMEDDITIONAL EXPERTISE.  WHAT'S THE EXPECTED TIMELINE  SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED FOR  HIRING THE JOB POSITION GOING  UP, RECRUITMENT?  >> COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT,  COUNCIL MEMBER. THERE IS SOMEONE I HAVE IN MIND THAT IAVE BEEN  ACTIVELY TRYING TO RECRUIT TO  COME TO THIS CITY. SHE DOESOT  WORK HERE NOW BUT SHE IS WITHIN  MINNESOTA AND HAS RELEVANT  EXPERIENCE THAT IHINK WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THE DEPARTMENT. >> TIMELINE?  >> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, FOR ME.  >> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.  >> YES. A PART OF IT WOULD BE,  YOU OW, OBVIOUSLY, WITH ANY  PERSON JUST FIRST WOULD BE  ENSURING THAT THIS POSITION, YOU KNOW, IS FINALIZED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO HAVE SERIOUS TALKS ABOUT COMING OVER.  >> OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.  >> THANK YOU. AND NOW SEEING NO  FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL MOVE  APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY  SAYING AYE.  >> AYE.  >> THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. ANY  ABSENSATIONS? THE AYES HAVE IT  AND THAT MOTION CARRIES. SEEING  AS WE HAVE COMPLETED THE  BUSINESS FOR TODAY'S MEETING, IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, WE STAND  ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.