##VIDEO ID:v8mFIJkX4bI## [GAVEL]  >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JASON CHAVEZ. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE  OF THE WHOLE. I'M GOING TO CALL TO ORDER OUR  REGULAR COMMITTEE MEETING FOR  TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I  WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY  REMINDER TO UL A MEMBERS, STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC THAT THESE  MEETINGS ARE BROADCAST LIVE TO  ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC  PARTICIPATION. THESE BROADCASTS INCLUDE  REALTIME CAPTIONING AS A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE  ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO  BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR  SPEECH SO OUR CAPTIONER CANS  FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE  THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR  COMMENTS. AT THIS TIME I CAN THE CLERK TO  CALL THE ROLL. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PAY IS  ABSENT. WONSLEY IS ABSENT. RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> VETAW. >> A PRESENT. >> ELLISON. >> HERE. >> OSMAN IS ABSENT. CASHMAN. >> PRESEN >> JENKINS IS ABSENT. CHUGHTAI IS ABSENT. KOSKI. ABSENT. PAISANO. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT. >> CHAIR CHAVEZ. >> A PRESENT. >> THERE ARE 7 MEMBERS PRESENT. >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT  WE HAVE A QUORUM. WE HAVE FOUR ITEM ON TODAY'S  AGENDA. THE FIRST THREERE ON CONSENT  AGENDA. ITEM ONE IS DISSOLVING THE  MINNEAPOLIS AMAL CARE AND  CONTROL ADVISORY BOARD T  VIOLENCE PREVENTION STEERING AND THE FUTURO LATINO EMPOWERMENT  COMMISSION. NUMBER TWO IS NOMINATING THE  DISTRICT BOARD OF MANAGERS. AND ITEM THREE IS REQUESTING AN  UPDATE ON UNPAVED ALLEYS IN THE  CITY AND EVALUATION OF HOW THEY  ARE INCLUDED IN THE CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.COLLEAGUES,  QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?  VICE  CHAIR CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER  CHAVEZ. I'M BRINGING FORWARD A  RESOLUTION THAT'S RECOMMENDING  ARUN HEJIMADI BACK TO THE  MIEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED BOARD. HE HAS BEEN AREAT SERVANT  LEADER AND I AM EXCITED TO PUT  IN THIS REQUEST ON BEHALF OF THE MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL TODAY  FOR MR. JAMADI. AWE THANK YOU. COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY OTHER  QUESTIONS?  COUNCIL MBER  PALMISANO. ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ACTUALLY, COUNCIL PRESIDENT  PAYNE JUST SHOWED UP AND HE  HELPED ME ON THIS LEGISLATIVE  DIRECTIVE AUT THE ALLEYS, AND  I THINK MAYBE HE SHOULD GET TO  SPEAK TO IT FIRST IF HE WISHES. I WILL SAY COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE  EXPRESSED INTEREST IN DOING SUCH A THING, AND IF -- WE GET A LOT  OF REQUESTS FOR BASICALLY  MAINTENANCE OF EXISTING ALLEYS. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW SMALL  THAT BUDGET IS TO D AND  MAINTAIN ALLEYS ACROSS OUR CITY. PEOPLE ASK FOR THINGS LIKE  IMPROVEMENTS LIKE SPEED HUMPS,  PERHAPS, IN OUR ALLEYS, AND THAT IS COMPLETELY UNFEASIBLE. WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE EVERY ALLEY  IN OUR CITY PAVED YET. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE WAS  REALLY INSTRUMENTAL IN PUTTING  FORTH A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE  AND ALLOWED ME TO PARTICIPATE. SO I'L LET HIM SAY MORE. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHAVEZ. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER  PALMISANO. YEAH, THIS REAY GREW OUT OF  SOME DEEP FRUSTRATIONS THAT SOME OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE,  PARTICULARLY ALON AN ALLEY  THAT'S NOT PAVED. IT IS PRETTY CHALLENGING ALLEY  BECAUSE IT I ABUTTING A RAIL  YARD, SO THERE'S SOME PROBABLY  COMPLEX PROPERTY OWNSHIP  THINGS TO BE FIG PROCEDURE OUT  THERE, BUT THE BIGGER PICTURE  HERE WAS AT A SYSTEMS LEVEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A FIXED AMOUNT OF MONEY ALLOCATED IN OUR  CAPITAL PLAN FOR MANY, MANY  YEARS ON ALLEY MAINTENANCE. AND IT IS A VERY SMALL NUMBER IN TOTAL. AND SO THE QUESTION HERE IS,  GIVEN THE LIFETIME OF THIS  INFRASTRUCTURE AND ITS CURRENT  CONDITIONS, IS THAT THE ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE  ALLOCATING. AND SHOULD WE BE REALLY LOOKING  AT HOW THIS FITS INTO OUR  OADER CAPITAL PLANNING AS IT  RELATES TO MAINTAINING OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I THINK THAT THE GENERAL  APPROACH THAT THE CITY HAS HAD  IS ALLEYS REALLY ONLY SERVE THE  IMMEDIATE PROPERTIES THAT ARE  ABUTNG THAT VERSUS STREET  SERVES MANY MORE PEOPLE AS THEY  TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO IT'S BEEN DEPRIORITIZED  FOR THAT REASON, BUT AS WE'RE  LOOKING AT THE OVERALL QUALITY  OF OUR ALLEYS, PARTICULARLY THE  FACT THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME  UNPAVED ALLEY, WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF  BRING FORWARD SOME  RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT  RECONSIDER OUR APPROACH TO  ALLEYS GIVEN THE CURRENT  CONDITIONS. >> AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT  THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE IS  WITH US. COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHAVEZ. I WAS GOING TO ASK THE AUTHORS  W MUCH IS BUDGETED, BUT I DID  TAKE A LOOK AT THE R.C.A. SO I'M TABLE TO SEE IT'S ABOUT -- I'M  ABLE TO SEE IT'S ABOUT 0,000  CURRENTLY WHICH AS WE KNOW IN  PUBLIC WORKS DOESN'T GO A LONG  WAY. HAPPY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS  WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE  COMES BACK. >> GREA SO SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS  OR COMMENTS, I'LL MOVE APPROVAL  OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.ALL THOSE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. THE SO MUCH FOR THE  COMMUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE  AMENDMENT CONTRACT WE INTEND TO  HAVE PASSED TODAY. SO JUST OVERALL, I RUN THE  TRAINING DIVISION, AND FOR  PRESENTING THE SPECIFIC UPGRADE  FOR THE DEVICE WE CURRENTLY CAR  HAVE THE SERGEANT OF THE POLICE  ACADEMY DO THE BRIEFING. SHE IS ALSO A MASTER INSTRUCTOR  WITH TARS, SO BEST TO HAVE A  SUBJECT MATTER FOR THAT. AND AFTER SHE'S DONE, SIR, I  WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS  AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE ANYIND  OF CONNECTION OR NEXUS TO THE  SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND  REQUIREMENTS. >> THANK U. WELCOME UP. >> HI. I'M SERGEANT VANESSA ANDERSON. AS THE COMMANDER SAID, I AM THE  ACADEMY SERGEANT AND ALSO MASTER TASER INSTRUCTOR. TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND KIND OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN  THE CURRENT TASER AND THE  UPGRADED TASER-10, I JUST HAVE A BRIEF POWER POINT HERE. AND SO WITH THIS UPGRADE,  THERE'S NEW TASER 10 COMPONENTS, SO WE WOULD RECEIVE THE TASER 10 HANDLE, PLUS THE BATTERY. THE TASER 10 ALSO COMES WITH A  DUTY MAGAZINE AND CARTRIDGES. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST  DIFFERENCES BETWEEN OUR CURRENT  TASER AND THE TASER-10 IS THE  TASER-7 CONTAINS THE CARTRIDGES  CONTAIN TWO PROBES, WHEREAS  TASER 10 HAS SGLE CARTRIDGES  WITH SINGLE PROBES,HICH JUST  ALLOWS THE OFFICERS TO HAVE  BETTER ACCURACY WHEN THEY'RE  DEPLOYING THEIR TASER. AND THAT WILL LEAD TO A MORE  EFFECTIVE OUTCOME. MORE ENHANCEMENTS TO THE TASER  10 IS WITH OUR CURRENT TASER,  THE IS A STANDOFF RANGE OF 25  FEET. WITH THE TASER 10 WE WOULD GET  UP TO 45 FEET,HICH BETTER  ALLOWS OFFICERS TO IMPLEMENT  DIFFERENT DE-ESCALATION TACTICS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS  10 INDIVIDUALLY TARGETED PROBES, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE OFFICER TO  CREATE THEIR OWN PROBE SPREAD,  WHICH, LIKE I SAID,EADS TO A  MORE ACCURATE, A MORE ACCURATE  DEPLOYMENT, WHICH IN TURN, LEA TO A MORE EFFECTIVE DEPLOYMENT. WE ALSO HAVE THE ANY PROBE  TECHLOGY THAT COMES WITH TASER 10, WHICH MEANS ALL THE PROBE  KIND OF TALK TO EACH OTHER, AND  THEY KIND OF DETERMINE WHAT THE  BEST PROBE SPREAD IS, AND THAT  LEADS TO KIND OF THE ENEY  BEING CONDUCTED TO WHERE IT  NEEDS TO GO, WHICH IN TURN  INCRSES THE ACCURACY AND  EFFECTIVENESS OF THE  DEPLOYMENTS. AND NEW TO THE MODELS USED TO HE STUN FEATURE. TAZE 10ER DOESN'T HAVE A DRIVE  STUN FEATU AROUND IT HAS BEEN  TAKEN OUT OF TASER 10. ALONG WITH THIS AGREEMENT, WE  WOULD BE LOOKING AT GETTING VR  TRAINING WHICH IS NEWER TO LAW  ENFORCEMENT, BUT THERE ARE  DEFINITELY SOME PROS THAT COME  WITH THE VR TRAINING HERE. AND SO WITH THIS SLIDE, WE JUST  PULL SOME STATS FROM AXON. BUT WI THE VIRTUAL REALITY  TRAINING T RETENTION RATE IS  HIGHER AND IT ALSO LEADS  OFFICERS TO BE MORE CONFIDENT TO EMPLOY THE TRAINING THAT THEY  RECEIVE FROM TASER, AND THEN USE THAT OUT ON CALLS AND IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. THEN THIS IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW. SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS  WOULD JUST BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT SOME OF THE VR CONTENT WOULD  LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN WORK ON YOUR TECHNICAL  SKILLS AND DEPLOYING THE TASER  AT DIFFERENT DISTANCES, DRAWING  REPS, AND WORK ON SHOOTING  AROUND OR DEPLOYING ON DIFFERENT CLOTHING, WORK ON DEPLOYING ON  ALTERNATE POSITIONS, MOVING  TARGET RS AND TIMED DEPLOYMENTS. AND SO ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF  THIS IS WITH THE -- WITH TASER  TRAINING IS VERY OFTEN MORE  EXPENSIVE AND IT PULLS A LOT OF  SOURCES. AND SO WITH VIRTUAL REALITY  TRAINING, WE WOULD BE SAVING  MONEY AND ALSO N PULLING A LOT OF RESOURCES TO DO THESE  SCENARIO-BASED TRAININGS AND  THE TECHNICAL TRAININGS LIKE  YOU SEE HERE. LAST UP, WE WOULD RECEIVE A LOT  OF SCENARIOS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO CALLS THAT OFFICERS ARE  RESPONDED TO. WE WOULD CURRENTLY BE GETTING  UPDATED SCENARIOS AND THAT  RANGES FROM ANYTHING WH  INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE WITH  AUTISM, ALZHEIMER'S, PTSD,  DOMESTICS, AND LIKE I SAID,  RUNNING THESE SCENARIOS LIKE IN  LIVE TRAINING IS VERY RESOURCE  INTENSIVE AND ITLSO COSTS A  LOT OF MONEY. IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE  THIS TRAINING TO OFFICERS IN A  COST EFFECTIVE MANNER IS  DEFINITELY A POSITIVE TO VIRTUAL REALITY TRAINING. >> CHAIR, VICECHAIR, AND  PRESIDENT PAYNE, THANK YOU. JUST TO KIND OF REITERATE THAT  THE VR TRAINING PORTION DOES  COME WITH THE CONTRACT  AMENDMENT. IT WAS THE SECOND ITEM WE ADDED  TO THE TASER AMENDMENT FOR  MOVING THE TASER0 SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE SAW THAT THE NEED FOR CONTINUOUS MICRO LEARNINGS AND  SMALLER TRAIINGS WHERE WE  INCREASE THE NUMBERF  REPETITIONS AND IT REFLECTS IN  THEIR ABILITY TO PERFORM MARE  JOB BETTER. IN PARTICULAR TO THE TASER 10,  THERE ARE PARAGRAPHS FROM THE  SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THAT ARE  VERY MUCH CONNECTED TO HOW WE  WOULD UTILIZE THIS DEVICE. I CAN GO OVER THEM VERY BRIEFLY HERE. SO PARAGRAPH 72 FROM THE  SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES  THAT OFFICERS NOT DELIVER MORE  THAN THREE CYCLES WHEN USING A  TASER. THE CURRENT TASER RIGHT NOW, IT  REQUIRES THE OFFER TO BE AWARE OF IT BASED OFF HOW MANY TIMES  THEY PULL THE TRIGGER, BUT IT  COUNTS DOWN AS YOU USE IT, SO  YOU PULL ONE CYCLE, PULL THE  TRIGGER, AND YOU JUST SEE THE  TIMER GOING FROM 5 DOWN TO 0,  AND THE NEW TASER WILL ACTUALLY  KEEP TRACK OF WHEN YOU DEPLOY  THE TASER, HOW MANY TIMES, HOW  MANY SECONDS TOTAL, SO IT KEEPS  GOING. SO Y WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT  THE COUNT AND SEE IT'S 7 SECONDS AND YOU KNOW H LONG IT'S BEEN  ON THE TASER INSTEAD OF  REMEMBERING HOW MANY CYCLES HAVE BEEN ON THERE, SO IT'S IMPORTANT OFFICERS BE ABLE TO UTILIZE  THAT. LATER ON IN PARAGRAPH 72 IT SAYS OFFICERS CONTINUE TO GENERALLY  USE THE TASERS IN A PROBE MODE,  AND THAT IT SAYS THE DRIVE STUN  IS ONLY USED IN THE DEFENSIVE  MODE. TASER 10 JUST REMOVES THAT ALL  TOGETHER. THE DRIVETUN HISTORICALLY,  PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE  SAID THAT THE DVE STUN PORTION OR ABILITY ON THE TASER HAS THE  ABILITY TO BE USED IN A PUNITIVE MANNER. AND SO IN A COP USING IT  INAPPROPRIATELY COULD BE A  COMPLAINT. WITH THE TASER 10, THAT IS NOT  EVEN AN OPTION ON THE CURRENT  TASER 10, SO THE ARCING AND SUCH NO LONGER EXISTS WITH THE TASER  10. SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT SAYS THAT  OFFICERS TARGET ON THE TASER  PROBE AT THE LOWER CENTER MASS  TO AVOID THE HEAD A THE GROIN. IT'S A REQUIREMENT. THE SPECIFIC ABILITY FOR  OFFICERS TO RIGHT NOW WHEN THEY  USE THE CURRENT TASER, THE  DEPLOYMENT IS ONE CARTRIDGE  SHOOTS AT PREDETERMINED  LOCATIONS, AND OFFICERS DON'T  GET TO NEGOTIATE WHERE EACH ONE GOES BECAUSE IT'S WHERE ONE  CARTRIDGE SENDS TWO PROBES. THE NEXT TASER 10 OPTION SHOOTS  PROBES IN VERY PREDETERMINED  LOCATIONS THE OFFICER MAKES SO  IT'S LESS LIKELY TO HIT AREAS  THAT WERE NOT INTENDED TARGETS  BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THE LASER  WAS POINTED. PARAGRAPH 61, M.P.D. OFFICERS  WILL BE REQUIRED TO USE  DE-ESCALATION TECHNIQUES,  TACTICAL REPOSITIONING AND  CREATING DISTANCE. THE NEW TASER 10, AS THE  SERGEANT SAID, GOES FROM TASER 7 WHICH IS 22 FEE TO THE TASER 10 DOES 45 FEET. WHAT'S IMPORTANT WITH THAT IS IT GIVES OFFICERS THAT REACTIONARY  GAP TO START CONSIDERING OTHER  OPTIONS IN BETWEEN WHEN THEY'RE  CLOSE, IT SURPRISES YOU HOW  CLOSE 22 FEET IS. IT'S PROBABLY 18 FEET FROM ME TO YOU. DOUBLING THAT DISTANCE IS  SIGNIFICANT FOR OFFERING  OFFICERS THEPPROPRIATE  DISTANCE AND TIME TO MAKE THE  APPROPRIATE DECISIONS FOR THE  INCIDENT. QUALITY OF THE TRAINING IS  ESSENTIAL FOR CREATING,  MAINTAINING A NONDISCRIMINATORY  EFFECT OF THE POLICE PUBLIC  SAFETY SYSTEM. DURING TRAINING OFFICERS HAVE  THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN SKILLS,  SCENARIOS, AND THAT IS A  SUMMARIZE OF THE SETTLEMENT  AGREEMENT. READING VERBATIM BUT SUMMARIZING TWO PARAGRAPHS, 199, THE VR THA  GET IN THIS AMENDMENT IS  SIGNIFICANT TO GIVE OFFICERS  THAT REAL LIFE SCENARIO-BASED  TRAINING. YOU GOT TO SEE THE ONE WHERE IT  JUST SHOWS THE GREEN FIGURE ON  THE SCREEN HERE. SO THOSE -- THAT'S JUST A ROUGH  IDEA FOR WHEN YOU ARE WORKING ON PLACEMENT TO USE THE DEVICE.THE  REAL PEOPLE, THOSE ARE SCREEN  SHOTS FROM THE ACTUAL TRAINING  AND SO YOU GET BOTH ELEMENTS OF  IT. WHEN YOU ARE USING IT AS A  COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OL, THAT  IS TWOFOLD. ONE IS WE ARE ABLE TO USE THIS  DEVICE WHEN WE HAVE COMMUNI OR THE CITY COUNCIL COME TO OUR  BUILDING AND LOOK AT THE  TRAINING. WE CAN RUN YOU GUYS THROUGH HERE FOR AN ENTIRE DAY AT ZERO COST. AND AS IN ADDITION, WE CAN USE  IT AS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT  TOOL TO SHOW THEM WHAT WE'RE  DOING AND HOW OUR TRAINING IS  BEING DONE AT A LOWER COST AND  WE CAN DO IT WITH LIMITED  RESOURCES. FINALLY, THE PARAGRAPH 201,  M.P.D. TRAINING REQUIRING USE OF FIREARMS, TASER, IRRITANTS,  IMPACT WEAPONS AND OTHER FORCES  M.P.D. AUTHORIZES OR MAY BE  AUTHORIZED TO USE. GOING OVER FORCE OPTIONS, THE VR PORTION OF THE TASER 10 DOES  GIVE USORE THAN JUST USING THE TASER IN OUR SCENARIOS. THERE IS HANDGUNS THAT COME WITH AXON'S DEVICE, SO THAT YOU CAN  USE IN FOR USE OF FORCE  SCENARIOSS WELL. OFFICERS WILL GET REPETITION IN  BOTH TASER USE AS WELL AS  DE-ESCALATION, AND THE SCENARIOS ALSO ENCOURAGE OFFICERS TO SHOW  EMPATHY. AND EVERYTHING THE OFFICER IS S  THE SCREEN FOR THE EVALUATOR TO  SEE AS LL, SO IT IS AN  INCREDIBLE DEVICE, AND I  APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR MY SERGEANT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. I ALSO LIKE TOING A KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL  MEMBER WONSLEY AND COUNCIL VICE  PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. I'LL FIRST PASS IT ONTO COUNCIL  MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU. SOOMMANDER OR SERGEANT, COULD  YOU TALK -- ON THE SLIDE YOU  TALKED ABOUT THE KNOW DRIVE  STUN. THAT'S A NEW FEATURE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THA IN DETAIL  PLEASE?   >> IN THE PAST T PAST MODELS HA  SO THE ELECTRICITY WOULD ARC  ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE TASER.W  OPTION.SO IN THE PAST, THE ELEC  WOULD ARC ACROSS THE TOP AND IF  YOU ULD ACTUALLY APPLY THAT  DIRECTLY TO SOMEONE, TY WOULD  FEEL THAT ELECTRICITY WITH TASER 10, IT NO LONGER ARCS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE TASER. SO USING YOUR TAZER IN THAT TYPE OF MANNER IS NOT AN OPTION. AND IN THE PAST, IT USEDO BE  -- IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED  INAPPROPRIATELY, AND THAT'S ALSO WHY AXON HAS REMOVED THAT  OPTION. >> THANK YOU. AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW DO  YOU ENVISION, THEN, USING THIS  DEVICE FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? CAN YOU GIVE SOME DETAILS ON  THAT?   >> YES, COUNCIL MEMBER  RAINVILLE. IN SPECIFICS FOR THE COMMUNITY  OUTREACH AND USING IT IFFER THAT FEATURE IS IT'S CONSISTENTLY A  CHALLENGE FOR HOW DO WE ENGAGE A COMMUNITY AND EDUCATE THEM ON  HOW WE'RE DOING IT AND WHY WE'RE DOING PIT THE BIGGEST THING IS  TO THEY SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING ON  THE STREETS BUT THEY DON'T  NECESSARILY KNOW WHY. I BELIEVE THIS TOOL CAN BE USED. THE UNIQUENESS ABOUT THIS TOOL  IS OFTEN TIMES I WOULD SAY AS  NNING THE TRAINING DIVISION, I WOULDN'T WANT TO OPEN UP IF WE  HAD ONE DEVICE, I WOULDN'T WANT  TO OPEN UP TO ALL THE COMMUNITY  GROUPS THAT WANT TO SEE WHAT THE DEVICE DOES, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO  IS INSTEAD OF GETTING ONE  DEVICE, AXON SAYS HOW MAN  OPERATORS DO YOU HAVE UNDER THE  CONTRACT IS 600. IT IS ONE DEVICE FOR EVERY 25  PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE CONTRACT. SO RIGHT NOW WE'LL GET 25 OF  THESE DEVICES TO USE, SO 25VR  UNITS AND THE VR UNITS WILL BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THEM SET UP  FOR THE USING WITH OUR ACADEMY  AS WELL AS PEOPLE CING BACK  FOR IN-SERVICE AND RETRAINI. BUT WE CAN ALSO WITH PROPERLY  TRAINED PEOPLE, WE CAN ALLOW  THEM TO RUN OR USE IN IT A  COMMUNITY FASHION SO PEOPLE IN  THE COMMUNITY CAN GET A RUN  THROUGH ON IT. POSSIBLY IN AN MSTAT MEETING OR  SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE WOULD  OFFER THAT BEFORE AFTERWARDS. >> GREAT. AND ONE MORE QUESTION, IF I MAY. IT IS AN ASK.  IS AN ASK. YOU HAD SAID YOU WOULD EMAIL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS THE TRAININGS GO FORWAR THE MORE ADVANCE  TRAININGS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT WE  WOULD HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS VISUAL,  GIVET A PREVIEW FOR OUR OWN  COMMUNITY SO WE KNOW HOW TO GET  OUR COMMUNIT ENGAGED IN THIS?   >> YES, SIR. WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE UNIT RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT WE COULD  EVEN FACILITATE THAT RIGHT NOW  FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. OTHERWISE, OBVIOUSLY ONCE WE  TAKE POSSESSION OF THE OTHER , WE WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT AS  SOON AS WE HAVE THEM IN HAND, I  WILL SEND AN EMAIL LETTING THEM  KNOW AVAILABLE DATES THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE. AWE THANK YOU. >> YEAH, NO PROBLEM. >> A WE HAVE BEEN JNED BY  COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI. NOW TO PRESIDENT PAYNE. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHAVEZ. DR. WRIGHT WAS KILLED BY KIM POWDER AND PART OF THE NARRATIVE THERE WAS AROUND HOW SHE SAID  SHE INTENDED TORAB HER TASER  AND INSTEAD GRABBED HER SERVICE  WEAPON. I'M WONDERING, HAVE WE ALREADY  INCORPATED LESSON FROMS THAT  INCIDENT IN THE CURRENT  TRAINI, AND ALSO, HOW AND PROMOTE THAT TRAINING, PREVENT  THAT TYPE OF INCIDENT FROM  HAPPENING. >> YES, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. SO SPECIFICALLY REGARDING WHAT  IS M.P.D. DONE ABOUT THAT WAS  WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A POLICY  STATING THAT THE TASER WOULD BE  ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF YOUR  TOOL BELT IN ORDER TO AVOID  SITUATIONS LIKE THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE LARGEST  COMPLAINTS I HEARD FROM OFFICERS IN REGARD TO THAT AS WELL AS  NATIONALLY IS THERE IS NOT  ENOUGH TRAINING SPECIFIC TO  REPETITIONS ON HOW ARE YOU  ENGAGING YOU LESS THAN LETHAL  DEVICES AND THE INTENT OF THAT  WAS APPARENTLY TO USE THE TASER, SO MORE REPETITIONS AND PRACTICE AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT  TASER, I BELIEVE, WOULD HAVE  LIKELY AVOIDED THA AND M.P.D., THAT IS SOMETHING WE TRAIN. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN.>> TH. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE FISCAL NOTE HERE. IT DOES SAY THIS IS AUTHORIZING  THE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF  $1.2 MILLION FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT  NOT TO EXCEED $16.7 MILLION. AND THEN THE FISCANOTE IS  PRETTY SPARSE AND JUST KIND OF  SAYS IT COMES OUT OF THE M.P.D.  GENERAL FUND. CAN YOU SHARE LITTLE BIT MORE  ABOUT WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT  BEING SPENT ON THIS AND WHAT THE INCREASE SPECIFICALLY IS FOR?   >> OKAY. SO I'LL SPEAK IN A LITTLE  GENERALS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE  THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT  YOU WILL BE FOLLOW ALONG PACED  OEN THAT. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE ARE  PAYING FOR THE CURRENT DEVICE,  TASER 7. THAT DOESN'T END. THIS IS FOR AN AMENDMENT AND THE ADDITIONAL COST. THE ADDITIONAL COST IS $234,000  PER YEAR TOTALLING OVER THE  FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT IS 1.72 OR  METHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD  BE OVERALL. AND SO THE BREAKDOWN OF THE  DEVICES AND THIS IS WHERE I AM  GETTING CLOSE, BUT NOT 100% IS  THE $59 OR $61 IS WHAT W PAY  FOR THE DEVICE CURRENTLY. THE UPGRADE TO THE DEVICE PUT TO THE NEXT DEVICE WAS  APPROXIMATELYROUGHT US UP TO  ABOUT $80 PER DEVICE. AND THE ADDITION IS THE VR, THE  VIRTUAL REALITY, AND PUT US UP  TOROUND $91 OR $92 PER DEVICE. >> AND LIKE 25VR UTS --  >> YES. >> AND ALSO THE TASERS  THEMSELVES. HOW MANY ARE THOSE?   >> RIGHT NOW WE CONTRACT 600  FROM THEM. >> OKAY, THANKS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER  SHMAN, AND I FLAGGED THE  FISCAL NOTE AND THIS IS ANOTHER  INSTANCE WHERE THE FISCAL NOTE  FROM M.P.D. LIST THE FISCAL  IMPACT IS ZERO AND THAT ISOT  ACTUALLY THE CASAND YOU  MENTION A $200,000 FIGURE OF  ADDITION BEING ADDED TO THE  CONTRACT. IS THERE ANY WAY, I THINK IF  IT'S VICKY OR SOMEONE IN THE  DEPARTME TO UPDATE THE  INFORMATION ON THIS ITEM ON THE  FISCAL NOTE THAT IT IS ACCURATE  AND REFLECTIVEF THE  ANTICIPATED EXPENDITURES FOR  2025. >> SO I CAN BRING IT UP POSSIBLY HERE ON MY COMPUTER HERE. THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT IS ON  THERE IS CORRECT. THE $1,172,000 OR SOMETHING, AND THAT IS OVER THE COURSE OF THE  FIVE-YEAR MARK. AND SO THE $234,000 IS TIM  FIVE IS WHAT COMES UP WITH THAT  NUMBER. >> OKAY. SO THE WAY IN WHICH HAS A YEAR  BREAKDOWN. USUALLY DEPARTMENT WILLS PUT,  LET'S SAY F IT'S THE TOTAL  AMOUNT OF WHATEVER IT BREAKS DO  JUST DO THAT.OR I AM ASSUMING, D I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU WERE  SPEAKING TO, DID THE STAFF  ASSUME THEY COULD CIRCUMVENT  THAT BY LISTING THE $1.17  MILLION UNDER THE ASSUMPTIONS  PART OF THE FISCAL NOTE. >> I DON'T KNOW. CAN YOU SEE WHAT I AM DOING  RIGHT NOW?   >> NO. >> GOOD OR BAD, BECAUSE WE ARE  EXPLORING THIS MYSELF. AND THERE WAS A BETTER  BREAKDOWN, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT  IS PARTICULAR TO THE CONTRACT  AND IT WAS AN ESTIMATE. THAT IS WHY I DIDN'T WANT TO  SPEAK TO THAT -- THAT IS WHY THE NUMBERS WERE GENERALIZED. I BELIEVE THE NUMBERSIGHT NOT  BE BROKEN DOWN, BUT I BELIEVE IT SAYS IN 58, 58-MONTH CONTRACT. >> ARE YOU ALL SPENDING THIS IN  ONE LUMP SUM OR AN EXPENDITURE  EACH YEAR, WHICH IS WHY WE DO  THE BREAKDOWNS LIKE 2024, 2025,  2026 --  >> ACTUALLY, IT IS EACH YEAR AND BASED ON HOW MY MONTH BASED ON HOW MANY HANDLE. F HANDLES IS THE NUMBER OF  DEVICES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE UP TO 600  HANDLES. I AM HOPEFUL WE WOULD HAVE MORE  IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT IS THE NUMBER WE CARRY. >> BASED OFF THAT, BACK TO MY  ORIGINAL QUESTION, IS THERE A  WAY SOMEONE CAN -- AND FILL OUT  THE FISCAL NOTE ACCURATELY NOW  THERE IS NOT A LUMP SUM AND  THERE IS GOING TO BE A YEARLY  BREAKDOWN, IS THAT POSSIBLE?   >> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANKS. I JUST WANTED TO OFFER TO MOVE  THIS FORWARD TO THURSDAY WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION TO FILL THAT IN. >> SECONDED. >> OKAY. >> WE'LL WORK WITH STAFF TO FILL OUT THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?   COOL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NAY. GREAT. [OFF-MIC]  >> NEXT ITEM IS MOVED TO FULL  COUNCIL WITH THAT  RECOMMENDATION. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE HAVE CONCLUDED --  OH, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> I THINK, CHAIR. I WASN'T HERE IF YOU NOTED MY  ATTENDANCE. AND I NTED TO BE NOTED AS AN  AYE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS  WELL. >> CORRECT. SO I DID NOTE YOUR ATTENDANCE. WITHOUT OBJECTION, AY, I NOTED EVERYONE'S ATTENDANCE, BUT FOR  THE RECORD, COUNCIL MEMBER  JENKINS, COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI,  COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, COUNCIL  MEMBER WONSLEY, ANYBODY ELSE  THAT --  >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. AND I BELIEVE I DID CALL MOST OF YOU EXCEPT COUNCIL MEMBER  JENKINS, SO THAT'S GOOD. ALSO, I THINK YOU WANT TO BE  NOTED TO BE -- IF THE FOLKS THAT DID NOT VOTE WANT TO BE  REFLECTED AS VOTING ON ALL THESE ITEMS, CAN THE CLERK PLEASE MAKE SURE WITHOUT OBJECTION TO NOTE  THAT IFHAT'S WHAT WE WANT. >> WE DON'T NEED TO DO A ROLL  CALL ON THAT. >> OKAY. GREAT. WITHOUT OBJECTION, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOOD?   >> OKAY. SO SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE HAVE CONCLUDED BUSINESS TO  COME BEFORE COMMITTEE TODAY, AND HEARING NO OBJECTION, I WILL  DECLARE THIS MEETING ADJOURNED. [GAVEL]  . . . --------- ##VIDEO ID:n7acnMm-auU## >>  GOOD MORNING.  MY NAME IS  CHAIR OFTHE BUDGET COMMITTEE.G  OUR ADJOURNED COMMITTEE MEETING FOR TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10th, 2024.  BEFORE  WANT TOTHE MEETING, I THE OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO  STAFF, AND THE PUBLIC THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE  LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.  THESE BROADCASTS INCLUDE REAL TIME  TOIONS AS A FURTHER METHOD INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.  THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THEIOUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST.  WEE  THEIRND CLARITY OF COMMENTS.  AT THIS TIME, I'LL  THE ROLLERK TO CALL SO WE CAN VERIFY THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> PRESENT. >> WONSLEY. >> PRESENT. >> RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> VETAW. >> PRESENT. >> ELLIS. >> HERE. >> OAN. >> PRESENT. >> CASHMAN. >> PRESENT. >> JENKINS.  IS ABSENT.  CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> CHOWDHURY. >> PRESENT. >> PALMISANO. >> PRESENT. >> VICE CHA V VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> PRESENT. >> PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. >> PRESENT. >> WE HAVE A QUORUM.  PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN.  COLLEAGUES, WELCOME TO THE THIRD  THE ONEDGET MARK UP.  AND ONLY PIECE OF BUSINESS  CONTINUE THEIS PROSETPROCESS OF CONSIDERING REVISIONS TO T  MAYOR FRYE'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET.  TODAY WE'LL  AT AMEMENT NUMBER 31.  THROUGHOUT THE DAY  HEARD CONCERN FROM A NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE  O PROGRESS WE ARE MAKING WITH OUR AMENDMENT PACKET.  I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONFER WITH OUR CLERK, AND, UMM, OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH  THEHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.  THERE  TO BRINGTHINGS I WANT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WE WORK OUR  TODAY SESSION. THE FIRST OF THOSE, IS PER OUR  TOS, THERE ARE LIMITS DEBATE.  MEANING THAT IN THIS  ADHERING WE WILL BE TO THE LIMIT OF TWO SPEECHES PER  FIRST SPEECH BEING SEVEN MINUTES AND THE SECOND ONE  FIVE MINUTES.  AND THAT WILL BE THE LIMIT ON DEBATE.   THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED  THIST I'VE OUTLINED WITH FIRST PIECE?  NOT SEEING ANY.   THERE ARETHING IS, IN OUR COUNCIL ROLES, THERE ARE  THERE ARE TOOLS OUTLINED THAT HAVE BEEN USED  UMM IN OUR MARK UP SESSIONS.  THAT ALLOW US TO END  AND, UMM, AND -- AND TAKE ACTION ON THE -- ON A PROPER MOTION BEFORE THE BODY.  I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR CITY CLERTO SPEAK TO MOTION TO CALL  MEMBERTION AND HOW A GOES ABOUT DOING THAT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  A  PREVIOUSMOVE THE QUESTION, ALSO KNOWN AS CALL THE  MOTION REQUIRES A SECOND.  SOMEONE WOULD BE IN  MOTION WOULD BE SECONDED.  IF THAT MOTION  THE EFFECT OF THAT MOTION IS TO SHUT DEBATE DOWN OR  DEBATE AND MOVE TO CONSIDER  ISPENDI QUESTION.  SO IT A MOTION WHICH WOULD OTHERWISE  RESULTDEBATE, AND AS A OF THAT, IT PASSESITH A  SOTHIRDS MAJORITY VOTE.  TWO-THIRDS OF THE MEMRS  REQUIREDRENTING ARE TO ADOPT THAT MOTION.  IF THAT  THEN THEADOPTED, CHAIR INDICATED, THE BODY WOULD  UP THETO TAKE IMMEDIATELY PENDING QUESTION AT THAT TIME. >> IS A MOTION TO CALL THE  ANDN A PRIORITY MOTION?  IS IT DEBATLE? >>  IT IS NOT A PRIORITY MOTION.  DEBATABLE.  SO THE EFFECT IS TO CUT OFF DEBATE.  WE  DEBATE A MOTION TO STOP DEBATE.  ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PIECE?  NOT SEEING ANY.  IT'S  OFMOST IMPORTANT FOR ALL YOU TO KNOW.  THIS IS WHERE THE  OUTLINE TOI WANT TO HELP US MAKE PROGRESS TODAY  OR MARK UPPACKET, PACKET, IS THIS IS WHERE I HAD A  CONFER WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND OUR COMMITTEE OF  WHOLE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.  AND WE WILL -- THIS SESSION, THIS MORNING IS SCHEDULED TO END  END NO:00 P.M.  WE WILL LATER THAN 12:30:00 P.M.  THIS  TO GET A MEMBERS LUNCH BREAK FOR ONE HOUR BEFORE  REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING.   IS DISCUSSION ITEM AND A  COMMITTEENDA FOR OUR OF THE WHOLE MEETING.  SO WE  AND IN ORDER UP.  FOR US TO GET SOME MORE TIME THIS AFTERNOON
 TO CONTINUE MAKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE MARK  WILL ADJOURN THIS MORNING'S BUDGET COMMITTEE :30:00 P.M. THIS AFTERNOON.  WE'LL BEGIN TAKING  REMAINDER OF THE PACKET, WHATEVER IS LEFT, IF NEEDED.   AT THAT TIME, WE WILL BEGIN OUR AFTERNOON SESSIONT 2:30, AND WE'LL CONTINUE UNTIL 5:00  DNER5:00 P.M. IS WHEN WILL ARRIVE FOR ALL MEMBERS.   ADJOURN AT THAT TIME, AND WHATEVER WE HAVE  BE FORWARDED TO THE ADJOURNED COUNCIL MEETING  BEGIN ATTO 6:05:00 P.M. THIS AFTERNO.   PUBLICCLOSE THE HEARING, OUR FINAL PUBLIC  O TRUTHN THE BUDGET, AND TAXATION PUBLIC HEARING,  ANYTHING THAIS REMAINING, AT THAT TIME.  SO ARE  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THREE THINGS I'VE OUTLINED TODAY?   WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE TAKING A FINAL VOTE.  I SEE THE CITY CLERK IN QUEUE FOR A PRIORITY MOTION. >> SORRY.  I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE STAFF HAD PUT M IN.  I WAS GOING TO REMIND US ABOUT RECONSIDERING THE VOTE ON NUMBER 30 FROM YESTERDAY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT REMINDER.  SO I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK WITH COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT.  COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE HIS VOTE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 30.  AS REMINDER, IT WAS THE VILLAGE STABILIZATION AND SHELTER OPERATIONS GRANT, ICH WAS APPROVED.  11/2 YESTERDAY.  COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE WAS ONE OF THE TWO MEMBERS THAT VOTED NO ON THIS AMENDMENT.  HE WOULD LIKE T CHANGE HIS VOTE TO A YES.  SO SEEING --NLESS THERE ARE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BODY, I WOULD ASK THE CLERK TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.  I'M NOT SEEING ANY.  IT SOUNDS LIKE, MR. CLERK, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND DATE THE ROLL CALL ON THAT ITEM.  ALL RIGHT.  WITH THAT, I WILL RECOGNIZE THE LEAD AUTHOR OF EACH AMENDMENT TO INTRODUCE THEIR MOTION.  WE'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.  STAFF FROM THE BUDGE OFFICE, ALONG WITH MEMBERS OF THE MAYOR'S CABINET ARE ON HAND TO ADDRESS QUESTIO THAT MAY ARISE DURING OUR DISCUSSION, AS WELL AS DEPARTMENTS WHOSE BUDGETS ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR CHANGES.  WE WILL BE USING THE TIMER FUNCTION TODAY.  EACH MEMBER WILL RECEIVE SEVEN MINUTES FOR THEIR FIRST SPEECH AND FIVE MINUTES FOR THEIR SECOND SPEECH.  IF THE RECOGNIZED MEMBER CHOOSES TO USE THEIR TIME TO ASK AN AUTHOR TO YIELD OR ASK AN AUTHOR TO ADDRESS A QUESTION, OR ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS A QUESTION, THE TIME USED BY THE AUTHORR STAFF COUNTS TOWARD THE RECOGNIZED MEMBER'S SPEECH.  WITH THAT, WE ARE RETURNING TO OUR AMENDMENT PACKET WITH AMENDMENT NUMBER 31, WHICH IS SENIOR HOUSING CODE ABATEMENT.  IT IS OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERS WONSLEY, KOSKI AND CHOWDHURY.  I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY TO PLEASE INTRODUCE AND MOVE APPROVAL OF YOUR AMENDMENT. [ NO AUDIO ] [ NO AUDIO ] >>  COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, I APOLOGIZE.  WE'RE HAVING SOME TECH ISSUES.  SO WE ARE GOING TO JUST PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND AND GET THAT FIGURED OUT.  >>  IT SOUNDS LIKE I CAN BE HEARD PRETTY WELL ITHE ROOM.  YOU WERE PRETTY QUIET ON MY END. >>  DOES THIS HELP?  IS THAT LITTLE BETTER?  DOES THAT HEL  IS THAT FINE?  IT'S PRETTY CRAPPY.  SHOULD I RESTART?   OKAY.  OKAY.  WELL, I WILL -- >>  ALL RIGHT.  COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE ADDRESSED OUR AUDIO ISSUE, AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY WAS INITIALLY SPKING, THAT WAS NOT PICKED UP IN THE LIVE STREAM.  SO COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, I WILL RECOGNIZE YOU TO INTRODUCE AMENDMENT NUMBER 31 AND MOVE APPROVAL OF YOUR AMENDMENT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI.  SO THIS BUET PROPOSAL WOULD ALLOW SENIOR RESIDENTS LIVING IN OWNER-OCCUPIED HOUSING TO APPLY FOR SMALL GRANTS AND/OR LOANSFO, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY USED TO MAKE MINOR RENOVATIONS TO CORRECT PROPERTY CODE VIOLATIONS TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS WHO ARE ANYONING IN PLACE.  THIS WILL ALSO REESTABLISH A PROGRAM THAT WAS OUTLINED IN MINNEAPOLIS FOR A LIFETIME-AGE-FRIENDLY ACTION PLAN WHICH WAS IMPLEMENTED HERE AT THE CITY FROM 2014 THROUGH 2016.  THE CITY'S MINNEAPOLIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON AGING, WHICH IS APPOINTED BOARD ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, ALSO RECOMNDED THAT WE REINSTITUTE THIS PROGRAM IN THE 2025 BUDGET.  AGAIN, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THOUGH THIS IS ONE-TIME FUNDING FOR 2025, I AM ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO FIGURE OUT A LONG-TERMUSINABLE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THIS PROGRAM.  BECAUSE IT'S BECOME VERY CLEAR THAT OUR SENIORS WANT TO SEE US DO A LOT MORE WORK IN MAKING INVESTMENTS IN IMPROVING THEIR QUALITY OF LIVES HERE IN THE CITY.  WIT THAT, I'LL CLOSE BY THANKING THE COMMITTEE FOR, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY THE MINNEAPOLIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON AGING FOR MAKING THE CLEAR CONCRETE ASK OF US TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT.  AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE ENGAGEMENT WITH THAT COMMITTEE ON HOW WE CAN ASSURE THAT WE ARE, ONCE AGAIN, DELIVERING FOR OUR SENIORS WHO DO MAKE UP 20% OF OUR CITY'S POPULATION.  SO WITH THAT, I WILL ASK FOR A SECOND AND MOVEA. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY.  THIS ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED A SECONDED.  ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE?  I WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> >>  THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  GOOD MORNING.  I CAN'T SUPPORT A CUT OF $810,000 TO OUR AFRDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  WE WILL LOSE ADDITIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT CREATION AND PRESERVATION.  SO I WAS CURIOUS EITHER COO ANDERSON-KELLEHER OR I SEE DIRECTOR HANSEN IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.  I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THEM.  THIS MIGHT BE MORE PERTINENT TO DIRECTOR HANSEN HIMSELF.  SORRY.  GOOD MORNING, DIRECR.  DIRECTOR, DO WE HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO RECREATE THIS PROGRAM? >>  WELCOME, DIRECTOR HANSEN, IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> OF COURSE.  GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.  ERIC HANSEN, ED DIRECTOR.  THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, THIS IS -- ITLL DEPENDS ON WHAT REESTABLISH MEANS.  WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE AUTHOR.  WE HAVE AN EXISTING PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER THAT IS GRANT FUNDED.  THAT GRANT FUNDING EXPIRES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR.  WE WOULD HAVE TO REASSIGN STAFF WITHIN THE HOUSING DIVISION TO ADMINISTER THIS THROUGH THE -- THROUG OUR HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.  SO. >> IS THIS A DUPLICATION OF THAT EXISTING CITY PROGRAM THAT WE ADMINISTER? >>  THROUGH THE CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, I WOULD SAY THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE SET ASIDES WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY AND SOME OTHER PROGRAMS WOULD THEN BE AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO MEET THE DEFINITION OF A SENIOR.  AND OWNER OCCUPY PANT. OCCUPY PANT. >> AND WOULD THERE BENY LOOK AT PRIORITIZATION BASED ON NEED? >>  OUR PROGRAM IT GUIDES WILL HAVE NEED-BASED FIRST, AND LET  MAKE SURE I'M READING IT CORRECTLY.  I HAVE TOO MANY THINGS ON HERE.  WE LOOK AT EMERGENCY REPAIRS, HEALTH AND SAFETY REPAIRS.  AND THEN GENERAL REPRS AND REMODELING. >> AND THEN YESTERDAY YOUAID IT WAS YOUR OPINION IT WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE USE OF MONEY FOR A DIFFERENT BUDGET AMENDMENT.  SO YOU BELIEVE THIS IS AN ELIGIBLE USE OF FUNDS.  DO WE HAVE CONFIRMATION FROM THE STATE OF MINNESOTA ON THAT?? >>  COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, IT'S OUR BELIEF FROM THE CITY ATTORNS WE ARE INTERPRETING IT.  WE HAVE NOT VETTED THAT WITH THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.  THIS IS A LOCAL SALESAX.  SO WE ADMINISTER IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNDING TO THE CITY.  WE ADMINISTER IT THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY AND THE LEGAL OPINION WE'VE GOTTEN, IT WOULD ADD TO -- UNDER THE IMPROVEMENTS CLAUSE IN THAT LEGISLATION. >> THANK YOU.  MADAM CHAIR, MY CONCERN THIS ISN'T FULLY VETTED.  WE'RE USING ONE-TIME MONEY TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT WILL BECOME MORE KNOWN AND, HOPEFULLY, IT WILL HELP A LOT OF SENIORS.  THAT'S GREAT.  WE DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER FORESEEABLE $810,000 IN AN ONGOING WAY TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM.  MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE DO.  THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.  I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMITTEE.  COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE THE SENIOR HOUSING CODE ABATEMENT AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY BEFORE US.  I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE RISED AMENDMENT NUMBER 31. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> NO. >> VETAW. >> A. >> ELLISON. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> ABSTAIN. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> NO. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE 10 AYES, TWO NAYS, AND ONE ABSTENTION. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I WILL NOTE WE HAVE BEEN JOINED IN THIS MEETING BY COUNCILMEMBER JENKS.  NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 32, WCH IS IN YOUR BINDER.  THAT'S THE MOST UP-TO-DATE VERSION OF THIS AMENDMENT.  AND THIS AMENDMENT IS THE STABLE HOMES STABLE SCHOOLS EXPANSION PILOT PROGRAM OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERS CHAVEZ, PAYNE, AND CHOWDRY.  I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY TO INTRODUCE YOUR AMENDMENT AND MOVE APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.  WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE ALLOCATING $8 -- OR $30, 500 ONE-TIME TO THE AFFORDABLE -- FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND PROPOSAL FOR A PILOT TO EXPANDHE PROGRAM FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD AND MIDDLE SCHL HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION.  AS WE ALL RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION IN OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE FROM MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS, MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAS SEEN A 30% INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS AMONG THEIR STUDENTS.  AS WE WORK TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS IN OURCOMMT THAT WE ALSO TACKLE THE ISSUE AT A YOUNG AGE, ANDUPPORT OUR YOUNGEST RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN SCHOOL AND ALSO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.  THIS PROPOSAL WILL FUND THE EXPANSION OF THE EFFECTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL STABLE HOMES, STABLE SCHOOLS PROGRAM.  AND THEIR ADMINISTRATORS HAVE IDENTIFIED TWO CORE NEEDS THAT WILL BE FULFILLED BY THEEXPANSIH AN EARLY CHILDHOOD PREVENTION PILOT PROGRAM AND MIDDLE SCHOOL PILOT PROGRAM.  THE EARLY CHILDHOOD PREVENTION PROGRAM, I'LL DETAILUT A LITTLE BIT, WILL BE REACHING FAMILIES WITH INFANT TO PRESCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN WHO ARE UNSTABLY HOUSED AND SERVES TO PREVENT ANY INITIAL HOMELESSNESS EPISODES BY PRENTING HOMELESSNESS OF 0 TO 5-YEAR-OLDS.  THE MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAM WILL BE EXPANDING THE SERVICES AROUND HOUSING STABILITY FROM STABLE HOMES AND STABLE SCHOOLS TO OTHER MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO FURTHER EXTEND THE BENEFITS OF THE CHILD, FAMILY, AND SCHOOL STABILIZATION A.  SERVICES INCLUDE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND LIGHT CASE MANAGEMENT.  STABLE HOMES AND STABLE SCHOOLS AND MPA HAVE INDICATED THIS IS A NATURAL STAFF FOR EXPANSION FOR THEM.  IT'S ESTIMATED BOTH PROPOSED PILOT EXPANSIONS, AGAIN, WILL COST ABOUT THE $830,000.  THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THE 755,000 PROGRAM EXPENSES AND $75,000 IN ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.  BY FUNDING BOTH PROPOSED PILOT EXPANSIONS, MPHA ESTIMATES THAT AN ADDITIO ADDITIONAL 180 TO 225 FAMILIES REPRESENTING 440 TO 565 CHILDREN COULD BE SERVED BY THE PROGRAM.  MPHA AND STABLE HOS AND STABLE SCHOOLS PROPOSE THE EXPANSIONS AS PILOTS TO ALLOW US TO SUBSET EFFORTS OF ONGOING SUPPORT IS NOT IDENTIFIED.  AGAIN, THIS IS ATAN AND ENSURE THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING OUR KIDS, FAMILIES, SCHOOLS, AND EDUCATORS IN A MOMENT WHERE IT IS VERY TIMELY TO BE ADDRESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.  I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TODAY AND I WILL MOVE THIS FOR APPROVAL AND ASK FOR A PROPER SECOND. >> COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF TS ITEM.  IS THERE A SECOND? >>  SECOND. >> THAT ITEM HAS BEENROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.  ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM MEMBERS O THE COMMITTEE?  I'LL FIRST RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. >> HI.  JUST WANTED TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE MULTIPLE CUTS.  I SUPPORT THE PRINCIPLE OF THE LAS AMENDMENT AND THIS AMENDMENT.  BUT USING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUNDN THIS WAY IS CONCERNING TO ME.  AND, YOU KNOW, AS MEONE WHO KNOWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING HUGE CLIFFS WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND IN THE COMING YEARS, AND I THINK WE'REEEING ONE JUST THIS YEAR.  WITH THESE CUTS, WHERE ARE WE LANDI IN THE -- DO WE KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUSFUND IS, IF WE'RE CUTTING $800,000 THERE, $800,000 THERE.  WHERE IS IT LANDING US? >>  UMM, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION,OUNCILMEMBER.  SO THERE ARE THREE AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN RESOURCES FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  THOSE ARE THE KOSKI -- THAT HAVE TAKEN FROM THE LOCAL -- FROM LAHA.  THE KOSKI AMENDMENT ON AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP TOOK FROM MINNEAPOLIS HOMES.  AND THEN THE LAST AMENDMENT AN THIS ONE ARE THE TWO THAT TAKE FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND ALLOCATION THIS YEAR,HICH WAS SUPPORTED, IN PART, BY LOCAL AFRDABLE HOUSING AID, ALONG WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.  SO OF THE $.8 MILLION THAT ARE INVESTED IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, THERE'S $830,000 THAT ARE TAKEN IN THISMENDMENT, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL $810,000 TAKEN IN THE SENIOR HOUSING CODE ABATEMENT AMENDMENT.  ABOUT $1.6 MILLION. >> $1.6 MILLION OUT OF?  $ --  $3.8.  >>  DIRECTOR HANSEN, IF YOU CAN CLARIFY. >> MADAM CHAIR COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON.  I'M GETTING MY SPREAD SHEET UP, IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MENT. >> TAKE YOUR TIME.  OUR HOUSING DIRECTOR IS TALKING ABOUT THE AFRDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. >> I APOLOGIZE.  THIS IS IN THE BUDGET BOOK.  I OVERLOOKED THIS.  T TOTAL BUDGET OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND IS $17.9 MILLION.  IT'S $18 MILLION APPROXIMATELY.  AND THEN THIS IS THE NEW FUNDING.  I APOLOGIZE. >> GOT IT.  GOT IT.  SO I GUESS MY -- I'LL SUPPORT THIS HERE.  I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE FACING CLIFFS WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND IN THE NEX COUPLE OF YEARS.  AND TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE SEEING A SLOW DOWN, LIKE, WE'RE SEEING A HALT IN NEW CONSTRUCTION OF MARKET RATE.  WE'RE SEEING A SLOW DOWN EVEN OF HOUSING THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE PAYING FOR AND SUBSIDIZING.  AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I'VE BEEN SKEPTICAL OF THE BUILD MORE STRATEGY.  THERE IS SOMETHING TO IT.  RIGHT.  IT CAN'T -- I DON'T THINK IT CAN SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM.  THERE'S SOMETHINGO IT.  WE HAVE TO PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO NOT SLOW IT DOWN TOO MUCH.   $1.6 MILLION OF HOUSING THAT WE CAN LEVERAGE OFS A LOT OF MONEY.  AND SO I JUST WANT US TO THINK ABOUT IT IN THOSE TERMS.  AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE KINDS OF CUTS.  AND I KNOW WE'VE GROWN ACCUSTOMEDDEHERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF SEEING THESE LARGE NUMBERS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  THAT'S GOING TO END.  >>  ONE THING I'LL NOTE WHAT YOU'RE OUTLINING.  I AEE WITH COMPLETELY.  IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RECEIVED A GIFT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OF NEW MONEY THROUGH THE LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING AID.  THE SALES TAX.  THE METRO SALES TAX.  AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN INTR IS ALL OF THAT BEING USED FOR THE EXISTING PROGRAMS.  WHETHER THAT'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND OR MINNEAPOLIS HOMES.  WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT NEW MONEY AND DETERMINE THE BEST WAYS TO USE THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDANCE GIVEN TO US BY THE STATE.  BECAUSE IT'S BEING USED FOR EXISTING PROGRAMS.  I THINK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.  BUT, YOU KNOW, POINT IS WELL NOTED.  UMM, ANYTHING ELSE?  ALL RIGHT.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I'LL START BY SAYING I HAVE BEEN THE BIGGEST CHAMPION OF STABLE HOMES, STABLE SCHOOLS.  IN THE BEGINNING OF IT, I THINK THAT WAS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON'S TENURE HERE.  PEOPLE WERE VERY SKEPTICAL ABOUT IT.  AT THE TI.  NOTABLY THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AT THE TIME.  FORMER COUNCILMEMBER LISA GOODMAN WERE VERY SKEPTICAL OF THIS.  I WOULD SAY, AS I'VE ALWAYS SAID, THIS TYPE OFSSISTANCE IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS THE CITY CAN PARTNER WITH OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM DURING -- DURING THESE TIMES, DURING THESE FINANCIAL TIMES.  IT'S IN OUR LANE.  I ALWAYS SAY HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CITY AND MINNEAPIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING ON OUR PART TO HELP KIDS SW UP TO SCHOOL READY TO LEARN.  HAVING A STABLE PLACE TO LIVE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.  THAT SAID, THIS DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A PILOT.  WE'RE SEVERAL YEARS IO THE PROGRAM.  THIS IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ONGOING MONEY TO SUPPORT IT.  MBINED WITH THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT, AS MENTIONED, THIS DECREASES OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND BY $1.64 .64MLION.  THIS IS NEARLY HALF OF THE NEW SPENDING FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  THIS MEANS THAT 50 LESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WILL BE PRODUCED AND PRESERVED THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND PROGRAM.  I APPRECIATE THE PITFALLS OF THIS THAT COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON MENTIONED. I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT RIGHT AFTER THAT YOU'D SAY YOU'LL SUPPORT THIS.  BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS.  BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. ONE-TIME SPENDING ON A PILOT ISN'T SUSTAINABLE.  WE HAV TO PLAN FOR HOW WE CAN FINANCIALLY SUPPORT A POTENTIAL PROGRAM.  IF THE PILOT, WHICH WE'RE NOT SEEMING TO MEASURE IT, WE DON'TA SUCCESSFUL PROVEN PROGRAM, THEN WE CUT IT.  BUT WHA IF IS SUCCESSFUL AND WE HAVE TO REDUCE SERVICES ELSEWHERE, IF WE -- BECAUSE W HAVE NOT APPROPRIATELY PLANNED FOR THIS.  THERE ARE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS TO THE BUDGET NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, AS WE DEBATE THESE PROGRAMS.  WE HAVE SEVERAL AMENDMENTS BEHIND AND AHEAD OF US THAT ARE ADDING MORE FUNDS TO PILOTS.  WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN FOR WHAT WE WILL DO WH THESE PILOTS, BUT YOU'VE TAKEN A LOT OF THAT GENERAL FUND MONEY FOR OTHER AMENDMENTS THIS YEAR.  THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM IS NOT JUST OUR  IT INVOLVES MANY EXTERNAL PARTNERS LIKE T PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY, HENNEPIN COUNTY, MPS, AND THE YMCA.  WHAT WE DO IMPACTS THEM, O.  I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, WELL, DIRECTOR ANDERSON-KELLEHER, OR DIRECTOR HANSEN, I HE'S BEHIND THE POST WHERE I CANNOT SEE.  DIRECTOR HANSEN, ARE THESE EXTERNAL PARTNERS ON BOARD AND SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AMENDMENT THAT FUNDS ITS EXPANSION INTO THESE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS?  WELCOME BACK. >> >>  WE HAVE A STRONG PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STABLE HOMESTABLE SCHOOLS GROUP.  THE EXPANSION, WE'RE WORKING ON STRATEGIC PLANNING FOR THAT PROGRAM AND THE EXPANSION INTO THIS AGE GROUP.  WE HAVE NOT EVALUATED THAT WITH THOSE PARTNERS IN FULL YET.  SO WE STILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT PROGRAM WOULD BE AND HOW WE WOULD EXPAND ELIGIBILITY TO PRESCHOOL KIDS.  SO IT'S -- I DON'T HAVE A PROBABLY A SATISFYING ANSWER.  WEON'T KNOW YET. >> SURE.  WELL, I WOULD ADD THAT THE WAY THAT MANY CHILDREN GET TRACKED INTO THIS PROGRAM ARE THEY WOULD TWO THROUGH AN MPS SCHOOL.  AND A SOCIAL WORKER HELPS TO IDENTIFY KIDS THAT NEED THIS KIND OF HELP.  WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT IN A PRESCHOOL PROGRAM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE.  COUNC. >> COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY CAN ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.. >> I'M HAPPY TO HAVE HER ADDRESS MY QUESTION BUT HAVE MORE THINGS TO SAY.  I'M GOING TO KEEP MY TIME AND HAPPY TO LISTEN THAT KIND OF A RESPONSE.  I DON'T KNOW IF IT THIS EXISTING PROGM IS EVEN ON SOUND FOOTBALL FOOT FOOT -- FINANCIAL FOOTING.  I'M CURIOUS  THE DIRECTOR WANTS TO MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.  DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITIE TO SUPPORT THIS EXPANSION?  WITHOUT UNINTENTIONALLY UNDERMINING THE EXISTING PROGRAM? >>  COUNCILMEMBER CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE ON THE OVERALL PROGRAM.  I CAN'T GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. >> THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME.  COLLEAGUES, WHEN WE EXPAND OUR STABLE HOMES STABLE SCHOOLS PROGRAM, IT'S A BIG DEAL.  THERE ARE MANY PRESS CONFERENCES ABOUT IT.  IT HAS ALL OF THOSE PARTNERS AT THE TABLE.  IT'S A BIG DEAL.  THIS WAY TO THROW MONEY AT IT IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE WAY. AND TO CHILDREN.  IN MY OPINION, THIS IS WORSE THA THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING FAMILIES AROUND WITH ZERO PROMISE THEY WILL STAY IN THE SAME PLACE NEXT YEAR.  JUST LIKE THE SENIORS IN THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT, YOU'RE PITCHING NEW PROGRAMS WITH ONE-TIME SPENDING AND WITHOUT ANY PLAN ON HOW YOU WILL SUSTAIN THAT PROGRAM.  STABLE HOMES STABLE SCHOOLS EXPANSION, SOMETHING WE LIKE TO DO EVENTUALLY, SPENDING DOWN RESERVES NOW AND FACING A CLIFF TO MAINTAIN IT AT THE CURRENT LEVEL IS JUST INCREDIBLY IRRESPONSIBLE.  AND IT MAKES THESE CHILDREN MORE VULNERABLE THAN THEY ARE TODAY.  >>  THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  WOULD YOU STILL LIKE TO HAVE COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION? >>  I WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >> COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  SO THIS IS A MOMENT WHERE WE CAN SUPPORT OUR KIDS.  AGAIN, 30% INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS. THAT'D CONVERSATIONS WITH MPHA, WHO DID THE WORK OF CONNECTING WITH PARTNERS AND GIVING US THE DATA-DRIVEN INFORMATION AROUND HOW THESE ARE THE PILOTS THAT CAN BE EXPANDED NEXT.  AND THESE ARE IDENTIFIED TO CRDINATES.  SO THIS WAS DONE IN PREPARATION, AND INONVERSATION, WITH MPHA TO ENSURE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THIS FUNDING.  MPS IS ALSO AWARE OF THIS.  AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT NOTE.  TO INSINUATE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING HAPP HAPHAZARDLY WITHOUT ANY NVERSATION WITH THE PARTNERS AT THE TABLE IS JUST FALSE.  THERE HAVE BEEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.  WHILE I CAN UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION ABOUT ONE-TIME FUNDING, I'M HAPPY TO CONTINUE, IN FUTURE BUDGET CYCLES -- >>  COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO'S TIME HAS EXPIRED. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS ISN'T THROWING MONEY AROUND.  WE ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS PROPOSAL WITH MPHA.  THIS WAS A WELL-THOUGHT OUT PROPOSAL.  AND WHEN THERE IS A 30% INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS IN MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS,E SHOULD BE HAVING DEEP CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE, AS A BODY, ARE GOING TOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING IMPACTED.  BUT THIS PROGRAM REPRESENTING 565 CHILDREN COULD BE SERVED BY THIS.  THAT IS ALSO A VERY GOOD THING THAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AND FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN SUPPORT WHEN THERE ARE MANY NEW ARRIVALS IN THE CITY COMING IN THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BY HOMELESSNESS.  THAT WANT TO GET SUPPORT AND HAVE A PLACE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT.  THE OTHER THING, I THINK, IS I HEAR THE CONCERN THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE TALKING ABOUT.  SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  I HEAR WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, PARTILARLY, IS TALKING ABOUT.  I WANT TO SAY THAT A LOT OF THIS NEW FUNDING IS FROM THE LOCAL HOUSING AID TAX.  THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO PUT THE FUNDING TOWARD THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND, INSTEAD OF KEEPING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND THE SAME WAY.  THERE WAS A BACK FILL.  AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER FIGURING OUT WHAT WE CAN AGREE WITH.  AND MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER AS ONE BODY ON THE LOCAL HOUSING AID TAX.  THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON THE DAIS.  BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF COLLABORATION, AND ABSENCE OF THAT WORK THAT WE DID NOT DO TOGETHER, THIS IS WHAT WE RESULTED IN DOING.  SO I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  THENLY REASON THERE'S AN IMPACT, BECAUSE THAT NEW MONEY WAS USED TO LITERALLY BACK FILL OTHER FUNDING ESSENTIAY.  I'M NOT CALLI YOU UP. >> THANK YOU, ALL.  COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?>>  T. >> WONDERFUL.  NEXT COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT MS. DICENZA HAS TO SAY IN REONSE.  MY PRIMARY QUESTION IS, ARE WE FUNDING ALL THE MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC STUDENTS THAT NEED THIS PROGRAM.  BEFORE WE BEGIN TO EXPAND TO PRESCHOOLS.   ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN THAT GO TO CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, AS WELL.  SO I MEAN, I WOULD LIKEO HAVE MUCH MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE ISSUES.  BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO ASK MISSISSIPPI DID SEN DISA COME UP AND SHARE HER THOUGHTS >>  THANK YOU.  THE REASON I WANTED TO COME UP AND CLARIFY IS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT HOW WE TALK ABOUT THESE EXPERSONAL REVENUE -- EXTERNAL REVENUE SOURCE.  THE STATE WAS CLEAR NOT TO SUB PLANT EXISTING PROGR OR FUNDING.  WE WERE CAREFUL NOT TO DO THAT.  THE WAY IT HAS BEEN FUNDED WITH THEENERAL FUND IN THE PAST IS BY ONE-TIME APPROPRIATIONS.  AND AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DIFFICULT GENERAL FUND SITUATION THIS YEAR.  AND SO INSTEAD OF TOPPING UP THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND WITH GENERAL FUND, WE USED THE NEW REVENUE SOURCE TO MAINTAIN A PRETTY CONSISTENT LEVEL FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND.  THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.  ANY QUESTIONO BSH RE BSH -- RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION I POSED? >>  COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. >> WOULD YOU BE ABLE TOEPHRASE YOUR QUESTION? >>  SURE.  I'LL REPEAT IT.  HAVE WE SERVED ALL THE CHILDREN INMI  AND SUBSEQUENTLY, HOW DO WE EXPAND THIS TO CHARTER SCHOOLS, IF THAT -- I MEAN, THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE CALLING ME SAYING THOSE FAMILIES ARE SAYING WE NEED SUPPORT, TOO. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.  THROUGH THE CHAIR, WHAT I CAN ANSWER TODAY IS THAT THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT SPECIFICALLY PARTNERED WITH MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SOOLS.  AND STUDENTS AND FAMILIES WITH MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SOOLS.  SO NOT STUDENTS OUTSIDE OF MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  THAT'S WHAT THIS FUNDINGOULD GO TOWARDS.  WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM THAT IS EXISTING.  AND NAME THE NEED THAT MPS ALERTED US TO AROUND 30INCREASE IN STUDENT HOMELESSNESS THIS LAST YEAR. >> UMM, COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS, I THINK COO ANDERSON-KELLEHER CAN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS PIECES OF YOUR QUESTION, ASITH WELL. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.  THAT DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. >> WELCOME.  IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI.  MARGARET ANDERSON-KELLEHER.  COO FOR THE CITY OF MINNPOLIS.  THE QUESTION, I BELIEVE THAT WASN'T ANSWERED AS PART OF THAT IS THE QUESTION ABOUT HAVE ALL MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOL UDENTS WHO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE BEEN SERVED BY STABLE HOMES, STABLE SCHOOLS.  AND THE ANSWER IS NO.  >>  THANK YOU.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I WANTED TO OFFER A QUI RESPONSE TO COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS, AS WELL.  JUST TO SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN WARD 7.  A LOT HAVE NEW ARRIVALS IN THEM.  SPECIFICALLY FROM LATIN AMERICA, AND THERE'S A LARGE GROUP OF PARENTS AND FAMILIES THAT ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND ATTENDING THE SCHOOLS IN MY WARD THAT ARE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.  SO I CAN JUST- FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I WENT TO THEIR COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT IN EMMSON AND HEARD ABOUT THIS.  IT'S FRESH FOR ME THIS IS A NEED.  AND THAT WE'RE NOT SERVING ALL THE FAMILIES THAT NEED THIS IN MPS. >> THANK YOU.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, AUTHORS, I APPRECIATE THE INTENTIONAL WORK YOU HAVE PUT IN HERE.  YES.  THERE'S A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE FACING HOMELESSNESS.  IT'S WONDERFUL FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THAT, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PREVENTING THE HOMELESSNESS.  BUT THIS PROGRAM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND HAS EXISTED IN OUR CITY FOR AWHILE.  IT'S IMPORTANT.  IT'S A PROJECT THAT TAKES A LONG PROCESS, AND HAS HELPED MANY, MANY FAMILIES IN OUR CITY.  AND I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE TAKING MONEY AWAY.  AND, ALSO, THIS ONE-TIME FUNDING FOR MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOLS SDENTS.  SO I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS.  THANK YOU.  THANK YOU.  AND, FINALLY, I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  AND THEN CALL THE ROLL ON THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  WE WERE SERVING ABOUT 10% OF THE ELIGIBLE POPULATION IN MPS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  AND WITH A RECENT EXPANSION THAT I THINK I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANNOUNCE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE MINNEAPOLIS HOUSING AUTHORITY AND A COUPLE OF SCHOOL BOARD COMMISSIONERS.  RECENTLY INCREASED IT TO 20 TO 25% OF THE ELIGIBLE POPULATION IN MINNEAPOLIS PLIC SCHOOLS.  IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT HOW MANY SCHOOLS THEY ARE IN, BUT HOW MANY THEY CAN SERVE. O, CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE NOT YET BEEN ON THE TABLE.  IN PART, I THINK IT'S ABOUT HAVING A STRUCTURE TO ROUTE KIDS IN NEED THROUGH APPROPRIATE LIKE, NETWORKS WITH THE SOCIAL WORKERS.  RIGHT NOW ACROSS MPS PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  BUT THE SHORT TERM ASSISTANCE THAT WE HAVE, LIKE, STABILIZATION ASSISTANCE, IS AVAILAB AT ALL SCHOOLS.  BUT THE LONGER TERM RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS NOT YET IN EVERY MINNEAPOLIS PUBLIC SCHOOL.  SO MY POINT BEING, LET'S WORK TO GROW THIS PROGRAM IN THE WAY IT WAS MNT TO BE GROWN.  THIS IS THE GENESIS OF THIS WAS MAYOR FREY'S INITIAL WORK.  IT WAS HIS SIGNATURE PROGRAM.  EVERY MAYOR OFTEN HAS A SIGNATURE PROGRAM.  THIS WAS HIS.  YOU WILL NOT SERVE THESE KIDS IN THE LON RUN IF YOU OVEREXTEND YOURSELVES TOO EARLY.  I THINK WE NEED A MORE THOUGHTFUL APPROACH.  THE APPROACH WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE IT.  THERE ARE KIDS WITH NEEDS WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT AND WE CAN ONLY SERVE A SMALL PORTION OF THEM.  LET'S CONTINUE EXPANDING INTO THAT SPACE.  ONE OF THE BENEFITS THAT WE LEARNED ABOUT STABLE HOMES, STABLE SCHOOLS, IS THAT THIS PROGRAM ENDED UP SERVING FAR MORE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY THAN INITIALLY THOUGHT.  IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CHILEN THEY EXPECTED THESE FAMILIES IN NEED TO HAVE.  THERE'S OFTEN A LOT MORE CHILDREN IN ONE FAMILY THAT THIS PROGRAM THEN SERVES WITH ONE STABLE DWELLING.  ONE STABLE HOME.  THAN ORIGINALLY PLANNED.  IT SERVES A LOT OF CHILDREN.  I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE THE NUMBER, BUT WE SHOULD GET THAT NUMBER.  BECAUSE IT'S IMPRESSIVE!  THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. >> THANK YOU.  NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE HAVE THE STABLE HOM STABLE SCHOOLS EXPANSION PILOT PROGRAM AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERS CHAVEZ, PAYNE, AND CHOWDHURY BEFORE US.  I'LL ASK THE CRK TO CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 32. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> NAY. >> VETAW. >> NO. >> ELLISON. >> AYE. >> OSMAN >> NO. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JKINS. >> NO. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> NO. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE EIGHT AYES AND FE NAYS. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 33, WHICH WE HAVE REVISED VERSION OF THAT AMENDMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT OVER BY THE CLERKS THIS MORNING.  PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENT LOW BARRIER PILOT PROGRAM.  IT WAS OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERSHAVEZ, OSMAN, AND WONSLEY.  COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOU AMENDMENT AND MOVE APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER VICE PRESIDENT CHUTAI.  I'M AUTHORING WITH COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY.  WHICH IS A MODELED AFTER A SAINT PAUL PROGRAM.  THIS PILOT PROGRAMESIGNED TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY BY HELPING EMPLOY ADULTS ENCOUNTERING HOMELESSNESS OR HOUSING INSTAINABLE AND HELPING IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOODS.  THISREATES TEAMS OF WORKERS FOCUSING ON CLEANING UP AN AREA WHILE GETTING PAID.  IT ADDRESSES A GAP IN OUR SYSTEM WHERE THERE AREN'T MANY LOW-BARRIER JOB OPPORTUNITIES.  SOME OF THIS FUNDING WILL GO TOWARD HELPING ESTABLISH AND MINISTRATIVE PROGRAM WITH SERVICES INCLUDING BACKGROUND CHECKS, SECURING VITAL DOCUMENTS NEED EMPLOYMENT, CONDUCTING DAY EMPLOYMENT, AND COMMUNITY PROJECTS, AND PAYING LIVING WAGES.  THERE IS A NEWMENDMENT OR REVISED VERSION IN FRONT OF YOU THAT WILL INSTEAD PUT THISIL SERVICE DISTRICT AFTER TALKING TO OUR COO ANDERSON-KELLEHER.  WITH THAT, COLLEAGUES, I MOVE THIS FOR APPROVAL. >> COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THE REVISED AMENDMENT NUMBER 33.  IS THERE A SECOND TO HIS MOTION? >>  SECOND. >> THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.  COLLEAGUES, IS THERE A DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE? IR PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. OME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ONE.  AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PILOT WITH ONE-TIME FUNDING.  ARE WE PREPARED FOR THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THIS KIND OF A PROGRAM?  HOW WILL WE SUSTAIN THIS, I MIGHT ASK TO THE MAIN AUTHOR OR THE AUTHORS.  WE'VE HAD TO WATCH THE BASIC INCOME PILOT PROGRAM, SUNSET BECAUSE IT WAS FUNDED WITH ONE-TIME ARPA FUNDS.  NOT SAYING IT WASN'T A GOOD IDEA.  I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS USED WITH ONE- -- WE FUNDED IT WITH ONE-TIME FEDERAL COVID PANDEMIC MONEY.  I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE A PROGRAM AWAY FROM PEOPLE AGAIN BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUSTAIN IT.  I WANT TO KEEP THAT GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME PROGRAM GOING.  IT SEEMED TO HAVE SOME VERY FAVORABLE RESULTS.  BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, OR ANY OFTHESA LONG-TERM PLAN.  THIS IS THE THD CONSECUTIVE AMENDMENT THAT DOES EXACTLY THAT.  IN THIS CASE, IT USES MONEY FROM THE COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER PILOTS. SO WITH THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT DOES, IT CHOOSES A PILOT.  DESPITE ALL OF THE UPDATES WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM DIRECTOR HARRINGTON ON HOW WE'RE PROGRESSG WITH THESE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER SERVICES AND PROGRS.  WE'RE JUST GOING TO TAKE AND LABEL IT FOR THIS.  THIS USES THE SAME SOURCE.  I THINK THE TOTAL FOR AMENDMENTS 12, 14, AND 33 ARE OVER $1MILLION FROM THE SAFETY CENTER PILOT.  WE ALL WERE REALL BIG SUPPORTERS OF THAT.  MANY OF YOU WERE AT THE OPENING EVENT OF THIS CENTER.  I DO BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BARNETTE HAS STATED HE JUST CAN'T PREDICT HOWHIS KIND OF A DECREASE WILL IMPACT COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER PILOTS.  BUT $1MILLION IS A LARGE PORTION OF THAT FUNDING.  I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THE FUNDING IT IS.  BUT I WOULD INVITE COMMISSIONER BAR BARNETTEO GIVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.  AS HE COMES UP, I'LL SAY THIS AND OTHER AMENDMENTS, COMMISSIONER, HAVE TAKEN OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER PILOT PROGRAM.  AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME KIND OF LOOK AND EVALUATION YOU'VE BEEN HAVING.  AND YOUR DEPARTMENT EMPLOYS HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH THESE PROGRAMS.  SO I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU REACT TO AMENDMENTS LIKE THIS. >> WELCOME, COMMISSIONER.  IF YOU'LL FIRST BEGIN BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF. >> GOOD MORNING.  TODD BARNETTE COMMISSIONERS OF THE COMMUNITY SEAT FOR THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS.  CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, IT'S THE SAMETATEMENT THAT I'VE MADE AT PREVIOUS BUDGET HEARINGS.  WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT, BUT, OF COURSE, EACH TIME WE EARMARK OR TAKE FUNDING AWAY, IT LIMITS OUR ABILITY TO FURTHER DO THE THINGS THAT WE WT TO DO WHEN WE HE THE NYU GAP AND ACCESS ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.  IMPLEMENTING THE SAFE AND THRIVING COMMUNITY REPORT.   YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE BEING INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE WAY WE WANT TO LOOK AT ENGAGING COMMUNITY.  WHAT IS THE -- WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY WANT?  HOW DO WE GET THAT SERVICIN THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.  LIKE I SAID YESTERDAY, WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT YET.  THERE'S A LOT OF BUDGET AMENDMENTS HERE THAT ARE -- THAT LESSONS OUR FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.  THANK YOU. >> SO MADAM CHAIR, WHAT I'M ARING IS CONFIRMATION OF WHAT I SUSPECTED.  SIMILAR TO WHAT HE SAID YESTERDAY.  WE ARE HAMSTRINGING OUR COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER EFFORTS WITH THESE BUDGET AMENDMENTS.  AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS.  I THINK THE GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME PROGRAM IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.  IT SUNSET THIS YEA
K WHISPER.  IS THAT THE KIND OF GOVERNMENT WE OFFER THE GREAT PROGRAMS WE HAVE TO DO THE INITIAL MARKETING AND AVAILABILITY AND APPLICATION PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH IT AND THEN CUT THEM OFF?  I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE AND SORTED IN THE PAST, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE.  I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE.  THANK Y. >>  THANK YOU.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ LLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI.  I WANT TO MAKE SOMELARIFICATIONS HERE.  I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE WORD SUNSETTING THAT PILOT OCCURRED.  BECAUSE WE VOTED TO ACTUALLY ALLOW CPED TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.  WE VOTED FOR THAT.  YOU VOTED FOR THAT, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  I WAS GOING TO USE THE FUNDING FOR THE DIFFERENT PROGRAM.  THIS SAME EXACT PROGRAM AFTER CONVERSATIONS WITH CPED AND PUBLIC WORKS.  THEY TOLD THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE IT NEXT YEAR.  I DIDN'T TOUCH THIS FUNDING BECAUSE THEY'LL CONTINUE IT NEXTEAR.  I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SUNSET CONVERSATION IS COMING FROM.  SECONDLY,E SHOULD HOPE THAT PILOT PROGRAMS ARE SUCCESSFUL.  IT MEANS THERE'S A DEEP CONCERN AND A GAP IN OUR COMMUNITY, QUITE FRANKLY.  WE SHOULD HOPE THESE PROGRAMS WORK.  IF THEY DON'T, WE TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.  BUT WHAT I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THIS BODY ALMOST TOOK AWAY THE ENTIRE $4 MILLION OVER THE SUMMER FROM THE COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER AND REDIRECTED IT TO POLIC  THE POLICE UNION CONTRACT.  AND OTHER SERVICES.  SO IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HEAR THE CONCERNS ABOUT TAKING SOME OF THE MONEY FOR THIS COMMUNITY SAFETY CENTER, WHEN THIS BODY ALMOST TOOK THE ENTIRE $4 MILLION.  REDIRECTED TO THE POLICE UNION CONTRACT, AND OTHER SERVICES.  WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.  THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE $3 MILLION FOR THE COMMUNITY SAFETY CTER IN THE THIRD PRECINCT.  IT'S HARD FOR ME TO HEAR AND TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY WHEN THAT VOTE HAPPENED THIS SUMMER.  WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY. >>  UMM, NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.   YOU KNOW, WE JUST LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS 20 PLUS POSITIONS THAT THEY ARE DESPERATELY TRYING TO HIRE FOR.   IT SEEMS TO ME WE WOULD BE DICTING PEOPLE TO THOSE PROGRAM.  I GUESS AT THE RISK OF ENFLAMING THIS BODY YOU KNOW, WE OFFERED THIS VERY COMMUNI SOUTH SIDES GREEN ZONE AN ENTIRE PUBLIC WORKS TRAINING PROGRAM.  AND IT WAS REJECTED.  SO, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THERE'S A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY.  BUT USING ONE-TIME FUNDS TO ADDRESS THIS REALLY CRITICAL NEED OF EMPLOYMENT JUST DOESN SEEM RESPONSIBLE TO ME.  THANK YOU.. >> THANK YOU.  NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.  COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY, MY BAD, ABOUT THE BASIC INCOME PILOT.  WE TOOK A VOTE TO CONTINUE IT.  BUT TOY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK WE APPROPRIATED ANY MONEY TOWARD IT.  I'M CURIOUS HOW IS THIS PROGRAM CONTIING OR WITH WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY?  AND IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE OUR BUDGET DIRECTOR IS THE PERSON THAT CAN BEST HELP ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> WELCOME BACK, DIRECTOR I DID SIN DISA. >> WELCOME BACK.  THE VOTE THAT THE COUNCIL TOOK IN NOVEMBER RELATED TO GBI WAS TO CONTINUE THE ABILITY FOR CPED TO DO SURVEYS FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD RECEIVED GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME PAYMENTS DURING THE ACTIVE PERIOD OF THE PROGRAM.  THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY FAMILIES RECEIVING THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS FOR THAT.  >>  THK YOU, WE'RE STUDYING THE MONEY WE DEPLOYED.  WE ARE NOT CONTINUING THAT GUARANTEED BASIC INCOME PROGRAM.  >>  SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.  WE HAVE T PUBLIC SAFETY IMPROVEMENT LOW BARRIER EMPLOYMENT PILOT PROAM AS REVISED IN FRONT OF US.  BEFORE US.  I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 33, AS REVISED. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >>YE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> NO. >> VETAW. >> NO. >> ELLISON. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> NO. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> NO. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE NINE AYES AND FOUR NAYS. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 34, WHICH IS THE REVISED SAFE OUTDOORS SPACE PROGRAM FOR SAFE RKING, SPECIFICALLY.  AND THIS AMENDMENT WAS REVISED THI MORNING TO REDUCE THEE TOTAL AMOUNT FOR -- FROM $100,000 DOWN TO $98,664.  THAT $1.3,000 DISCREPANCY PREVENTS A LAYOFF FROM HAPPENING.  THAT'S WHY WE MADEHAT ADJUSTMENT.  THE CLERKS ALERTED ME THAT IN THE MOTION ITSELF, THERE'S AN ERROR IN, UMM, THE INCREASE TO THE REGULATORY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.  THAT NUMBER SHOULD NOT BE $100,000.  IT SHOULD BE $98,664.  THE CLERKS WILL NOTE THAT, BUT WE ARE INEED OF SAVING PAPER WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE REPRINTING NOW AT THE REQUEST.  I WILL BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THIS ITEM, AND MOVE ITS APPROVAL.  SO THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR, UMM, -- IT -- IT -- IT GOES HAND-AND HAND WITH THE PROCESS THE COUNCIL IS UNDERGOING NOW IN CRAFTING A SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE AND SAFE PARKING ORDINANCE TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN 2025.  BUT THIS SETS ASIDEOME RESOURCES SO THAT PLANNING CAN BEGIN ASE MOVE THROUGH OUR LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.  A SAFE PARKING ORDINANCE IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE LIVING OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES, THAT'S THE WAY IN WHICH THEY'RE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, TO BE -- TO BE IN A -- IN AN AUTHORIZED SPACE AND RECEIVE ACCESS TO A SAFE PLACE TO STAY.  ALONG WITH -- WITHOUT CREATING INTRUSIONS OR BEING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.  IT ALLOWS PEOPLE ACCESS TO SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS.  ACCESS TO WI-FI, AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES LIKE, YOU KNOW, WORKING TO GET INTO MORE PERMANENT AND STABLE HOUSING.  THIS PROGRAM WOULD BE MODELED OFF OF WHAT THE -- OFF OF THE SUCCESSES THAT, UMM, THE CITY OM COSTS THE CITY THE DULUTH ABOUT $150,000, BUT KNOWING THAT THIS YEAR IS THE -- THE -- THE ORDINANCE ITSELF WILL TAKE SOME TIME T CRAFT, WE DECIDED TO, UMM, BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE AND ALLOCATE JUST ABOUT $100,000 TO THIS PROGRAM HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS.  UMM, AND, WITH THAT, I WL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.  AND ASK FOR A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.  COLLEAGUES, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION?  I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES LAYING OFF ONE STAFF PERSON CURRENTLY IN THE SECURITY DIVISION OF FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES.  IS THAT CORRECT?  O
  >>  THAT IS NOT CORRECT.  THERE IS THE -- THE MOBILE SECURITY TEAM PROPOSAL CREATES FOUR POSITIONS.  CURRENTLY, THERE ARE THREE OF THESE FOUR POSITIONS ARE FILLED.  THIS ONE POSITION IS GENERAL FUND.  IT'S SUPPORTED BY T GENERAL FUND IN THE YEAR 2025.  AND IT IS VACANT RIGHT NOW.  SO THE $98,664 ARE TO USE THIS -- THE F -- FOR THIS PILOT.  BUT IT HAS TAKEN ONE TIME.  SO STARTING 2026, THIS POSITION WILL BE FUND BID AN INTERSERVICE FUND.  THIS IS NOT REMOVING AN FTE.  THIS IS MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO RIGHT NOW. >> I SEE.  I ACTUALLY I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE.  I WAS LOOKING A THE ONE IN THE BOUND BOOK.  THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE PUT ON -- WAS PUT ON THE DAIS THIS MORNING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> UMM, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE VACANT POSITION IS SUPPOSED TO DO.  I SEE IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.  I KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTIVELY INTERVIEWING FOR POSITIONS IN FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES.  WHAT DOES -- WHAT WERE THE BENEFITS OF THIS POSITION?  THOUGH IT MIGHT BE VACANT NOW? >>  I WOULD INVITE YOU TO CONFER WITHHE FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT IN MORE SPECIFICITY.  HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THIS POSITION IS VACANT, HAS BEEN VACANT, AND THER ARE THREE POSITIONS THAT ARE AT THAT SAME LEVEL THAT ARE FILLED RHT NOW.  SO THERE ISN'T A CUT TO ANXISTING SERVICE.  THIS POSITION IS ALSO NOT BEING CUT ON AN ONGOING BASIS.  WE'RE JUST USING THE GENERAL FUND ALLOCATION ONE-TIME THIS YEAR.  THIS POSITION WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE DEPARTMENT TO HIRE, UMM, BEGINNING, AGAIN, IN 2026 OR, IF THEY MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES, OR ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR BUDGET CURRENTLY. >> SO I SEE THE DIRECTOR HERE IN THE AIENCE.  AND SEEMED LIKE THE GESTURE SAID HE MIGHT BE THE BEST PERSON TO RESPOND.  IN TEMPLES BEHALF WE'RE DECREASING HERE WHEN WE REMOVE THIS POSITION AGAIN.  YOU SAID IT'S NOT CURRENTLY FILLED.  AND A LITTLE BIT, WEIRDLY, TO ME, IT'S A ONE-TIME PILOT.  AGAIN, SO WE'RE GOINGO CREATE THIS SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP IT.  DIRECTOR CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS FINANCE AND PROPERTY POSITION. >> IF YOU'LL BEGIN BY INTRODUCING YOURSF. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEMBERS.  CHAIR CHUGHTAI AND COUNCILMBER PALMISANO, DEPUTY CITY OPERATIONS OFFICER IN E OFFICE OF PUBLIC SERVICE.  INCLUDED IN THE DEPARTMENTA PROPOSALS FOR 2025 FOR ADDITIONAL CITY SECURE CITY STAFF.  ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE PROPOSAL, THE PRIMARY REASON IS PART OF OUR HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF REGULATORY SERVICES UTILIZES CITY SECURITY OFFICERS TO MONITOR AND RESPOND, AS NEEDED, TO CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.  THERE IS A COMPONENT OF PRIVATE SECURITY THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.  BUT FOR CITY-OWNE PROPERTY, THESE EMPLOYEES HELP RESPOND, AS NEEDED. >> SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT THIS TYPE OF SURITY POSITION MAYBE HELPS TO PREVENT ENCAMPMENTS FROM FORMING ON CITY PROPERTY IN RESPONSE TO NEWLY FORMED ENCAMPMENTS. >> YES. >> IT FEELS LIKE THEY WORK IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR HOMELESSNESS RESNSE TODAY.  IS THAT FAIR? >>  CHAIR CHUGHTAI, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, YES.  THERS A HIGH DEGREE OF COORDINATION WITH HOMELESS RESPONSE TEAM.  SO, MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD SAY, ISN'T THIS THE GOAL?  ISN'T OUR GOAL TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND MAKE REFERRALS EARLY ON?  WHY WOULD WE INSTEAD WANT TO USE THIS POSITION TO HAVE PPLE LIVE IN UNDIGNIFIEDONDITIONS?  WE NEED AN OFFSET.  THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUTSIDE SLEEPING IN THEIR CAR  ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT IN THE CITY.  BUT IS THIS THE ADE-OFF THAT WE'RE MAKING?  THIS DOESN'T FEEL RESPONSIBLE.  WE NEED THE PEOPLE FROM OUR CITY TO HELP PROVIDE SERVICES TO PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.  TO MAKE REFERRALS TO ACTUAL HOUSING EARLY ON A, AND TAKING THAT TO SAY THIS IS ACCEPTABLE FEELS, UMM, IT DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.  THANK YOU. >> TO ADDRESSOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  THERERE, UMM, A FEW CITIES, AH, PEER CITIES TO OURS, THAT HAVE, UMM, THAT HAVE -- THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED - UMM, A SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE OR SAFE PARKING POLICY.  UMM, THE -- THE TWO EXAMPLES I'LL POINT TO HERE ARE THE CITY OF DENVER AND, UMM, THE CITY OF DULUTH HERE IN MINNESOTA.  UMM, AND IN BOTH EXAMPLES, WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IS THAT -- UMM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF -- AH, POLICY LIKE THIS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PROGRAM LIKE THIS HELPS ACCELERATE THE PROCESS OF -- OF PROVIDING THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE A PERMANENT PLACE TO LIVE WITH, AH, SVICES AND, UMM, AND WITH THE, AH, WITH THE SUPPORTS THAT THEY NEED IN ORDER TO TRANSITION INTO MORE PERMANENT HOUSING.  AND SO THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN A POLICYHAT HAS WORKED IN OVE OTHER PLACES.  AND PLACES THAT HAVE SIMILAR CLIMATES TO OURS.  SO WE CAN MEANFULFULLY, AND SYSTEMIC AND LONG-TERM WAY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS. >> IS THIS TIME STILL MINE? >>  NOPE.  WE'RE ON MINE NOW. >> IT LOOKS AS THOUGH YOU HAVE SKIPPED OVER COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN.  I'LL GO BACK IN QUEUE THEN. >> GREAT.  I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU.  WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE A HOMELESS CRISIS, AND I SEE THIS PART OF A SOLUTION.  PREVENTING ENCAMPMENTS IT'S HELPFUL TO THE RESIDENT AND TO THE FOLKS THATIVE THERE.  IT'S SOMETHING I HAVE SUPPORTED.  I MADE IT VERY CLEAR.  BUT THIS IS SOMEONE, A COUNCILMEMBER WHO IS PUING FORWARD A SOLUTION TO SAY WHAT CAN WE DO T HELP THE CRISIS WE HAVE IN OUR CITY?  I HAVE NOT SEEN ADMISTRATION TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO BRING A SOLUTION.  YES, WE CAN CREATE HOUSING.  WE CAN FIGURE OUT PROGRAMS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.  BUT THE ENCAMPMENTS THAT ARE FORMING IN OUR COMMUNITIES, THE UNSAFE CONDITIONS THEY ARE AT, THE UNSAFE NEIGHBORS.  HOW UNSAFE NEIGHBORS FEEL.  WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BE CREATIVE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ESTABLISH WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP FOLKS HERE.  HOW CAN THEY BE, YOU KNOW, SAFE AND NEIGHBORS FEEL SAFE AND SAFE PARKING PILOT PROGRAM KIND OF EXCITES ME.  I WANT TO SEE THOSE KIND OF IDEASF LEADERSHIP.  WE ARE NOT GOING TO FIX THINGS, CONTINUIN EVICTING FOLKS.  YOU CAN COSTING TAXPAYERS MONEY, AND PUT A SOLUTION FORWARD OR SUPPORT THE SOLUTIONS COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD.  AND TESTED OUT.  I REALLY WANTED TO MENTION, SAY, THAT WE ARE FACING CRISIS ENCAMPMENTS ARE UNSAFE FOR FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THE ENCAMPMENTS.  AND ALSO FOLKS THAT LIVE SURROUNDING ENCAMPMENTS.  AND WE'RE WASTING SO MUCH MONEY FOR SECURITY.  WE'RE WASTING SO MUCH MONEY FOR EVICTION.  SO MUCH MONEY FOR OUR STAFF.  SO MUCH TIME FOR OUR STAFF TO CONTINUE TO EVICT.  AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SOLUTIO  WE NEED A SOLUTION FROM EVERYONE IN THE ADMINISTRATION, ALSO THE COUNCILMEMBERS.  OTHER CITIES ARE FIG FIGURING O A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS CRISIS.  AT THE END OF THE DAY, THESE ARE HUMAN BEGS.  WE'RE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION.  AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEL OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.  I WANT TO SEE THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN START NEXT YEAR AND FIND SOME SOLUTIONS.   YOU KNOW, WE WANT EVERYONE TO BE SAFE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.  AND, ALSO, THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE TO BE SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.  THIS IS PART OF THE SOLUTION.  AND I APPRECIATE FOR COUNCILMEMBERS THINKING ABOUT THIS AND ESTABLISHING THIS.  IF IT DOESN'T WORK, GREAT.  WE CAN SWITCH GEARS AND FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY.  IF IT WORKS, THEN LET'S JUST INSTRES IN IT -- INVEST IN IT AND BRINGING SOLUTION INSTEAD OF PUSHING EVERYTHING THAT COMES FORWARD. >> THANK YOU.  FINALLY, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO IS RECOGNIZED. >> TNK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I HEARD I DON'T SEE THE ADMINISTRATION FUNDING -- FINDING SOLUTIONS.  EXCEPT FOR ALL THE HOUSING AND PROGRAMS THEY ALREADY ARE DOING.  OF WHICH WE'RE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM. >> EAMPMENTS. >> WE DO A LOT TO ADDRESS ENCAMPMENTS IN OUR CITY.  WE USE A LOT OF FUNDS WITH WHICH TO DO IT.  IN FACT, DIRECTO DIRECT VALASQUEZ WAS UP HERE EXPLAINING THE NEW APPROACH.  IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO KEEP TRACK OF THE LT-MINUTE CHANGES HERE.  I DON'T SEE -- I DON'T SEE THE STAFFING MODEL FOR DULUTH OR DENVER.  I'VE STUDIED DULUTH PRETTY EXTENSIVELY.  ARE YOU LOOKING TO HAVE IN A CITY-OWNED PARKING LOT AND CHURCH PARKING LOTS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN OUR CITY?  I'LL ASK ANY OF THE AUTHORS OF THIS AMENDMENT. >> THAT'LL BE DETERMINED BY WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING CRAFTED RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY.  WELL, YOU'RE MAKING A CHOI HERE TO SAY WE'RE LESS INTERESTED IN HELPING RESIDENTS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNES GET INTO PERMANENT HOUSING.  AND, AGAIN, IT'S AN IDEA.  WITH JUST ONE YEAR OF FUNDING.  AND WE'RE USING ONE FTE IN IT.  IS THAT ENOUGH?  DOES THE DENVER MODEL REALLY JUST USE ONE SINGLE STAFF PERSON WHO KEEPS PEOPLE IN A PARKING LOT SAFE ALL NIGHT WITHOUT A SUPERVISOR?  IS THAT PERSON GOING TO DIRECT TO BE SUPERVISED DIRECTLY BY DCOO JELLY?  LIKE, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE ABILITY OF US STANDING UP A WHOLE ORDINANCE AND TAKING IT ON AND FUNDING IT TEMPORARILY FOR JUST ONE YEAR IN 2025.  WE HAVE A VERY CAREFUL APPROACH TO HOW WE ARE HELPING TO END HOMELESSNESS IN OUR CITY.  WE HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON THAT.  THIS FEELS A BIT REACTIONARY, AND I AGREE, WE NEED SOME PLACE.  WE NEED SOME SAFE WAY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY ARE LIVING IN THEIR VEHICLES OVERNIGHT.  BUT THIS IS JUST NOT A DIGNIFIED APPROACH.  IT'S VERY HAPHAZARD TO SAY EVERYBODY SHOULD COME RE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT SAFE BUT THEN WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT AT THE END OF THE SEASON.  AT THE END OF NEXT YEAR. >>  COLLEAGUES.  WE HAVE THE REVISED SAFE OUTDOOR SAFE PARKING AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBERS CHOWDHURY, CHAVEZ, AND MYSELF BEFORE US.  I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE REVISED AMENDMENT NUMBER 34.>> COUNCILMEMBER PAYN. >> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE. >> NAY. >> VETAW. >> NO. >> ELLISON. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE.  JENKINS. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE. >> PALMISANO. >> NO. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI >> AYE IT >>  CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE 10 AYES AND THREE NAYS. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  AMENDMENT NUMBER 35 IS FROM COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON.  IT INCLUDES -- IT IS RELATED TO HEALTHY HOMES PRO ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT AND INCLUDES A LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE.  COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, PLEASE INTRODUCE AND MOVE APPROVAL OF YOUR AMENDMENT, INCLUDING THE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE >> THANK YOU.  THIS IS TO PUT HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE HEALTHY HOMES PROGRAM, WHICH IS OUR PRO ACTIVE MEDIATION PROGRAM.  USING ARPA ROLVER DOLLARS, AND IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE THE WORK WE'VE DONE TO GET AHEAD OF, YOU KNOW, CHILDHOOD LEAD POISONING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.  WE PUT IN AN HISTORIC AMOUNT OF FUNDING A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO UTILIZING ARPA WHICH IS WHAT ENABLED US DO THAT.  WE HAD STAFF CHAMPIONING THIS PROGRAM AND EDUCATING COUNCILMEMBERS FOR A LONG TIME.  BUT, YEAH.  AND -- AND -- IN THE 25 YEARS IT NEVER HAD THE LEVEL OF MONEY IT GOT AT THE START OF ARPA.  I WOULD LOVE TO SEE -- I KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT HALF A MILLION IN THE FUND NOW.  A LITTLE OVER.  I KNOW THAT STAFF HAVE ABOUT $1.5 MILLION THAT THEY COULD GO IN AND REMEDY.  I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT FUND UP TO $1SO WE CAN AT LEAST START TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SERVICE.  AND NOT BE CUT SHORT HERE BY -- BY -- BY QUITE THE GAP WE'RE SEEING.  HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.  UMM, ALSO HAPPY TO NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE.  AND I GUESS I'LL SAY, I GUESS THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UMM, I KNOW THAT AS A CITY, WE SEELL THE NEW CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING AND THINK PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE IMPRESSION A LOT OF HOUSING IN NNEAPOLIS IS NEWER HOUSING.  UMM, 80% OF THE HOUSING UNITS ACROSS OUR CITY ARE BUILT BEFORE LEAD PAINT WASANNED.  AND SO WE HAVE LEAD IN SO MANY STRUCTURES ALL ACROSS OUR CITY.  AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SELFISHLY COUNCILMEMBER VETAW AND I TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE AS IT EXISTS IN WARDS 4 AND 5.  THIS IS NOT A WARD 4 AND 5 ISSUE ALONE.  IT'S A ISSUE THAT PERSISTS ACROSS THE CITY.  SO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THESE DOLLARS GO TO TOWARDS 4 AND 58, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN COLLABORATE ON AND JOIN HAND AND HAND TO ADDRESS ACROSS THE CITY. >> COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER 35.  IS THERE A SECOND TO HIS MOTION ? >> >>:  SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THE ITEM?  I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I DO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON.  YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON LEAD ABATEMENT FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.  AND SO WAS THRILLED WITH THE INCREASE IN FUNDING.  AND I THOUGHT THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL PROVIDED SOME FUNDING,SPECT IN HOMES.  YOU KNOW, AND I DO HAVE TO -- I HAVE TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DELAYED THE GEORGE FYD SQUARE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD HAVE REMOVED LEAD PIPES FROM THE STREET INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IMPACT SO MANY FAMILIES. IN A COMMUNITY THAT HAS LARGELY HOMES BUILT IN THE 19 -- EARLY 1920S.  AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THESE ISSUES, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OF HOW THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE IMPACTING PEOPLE.  SO, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE COMMENTS.  I WILL SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT TODAY, BUT HOPEFULL WE CAN BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE IN OUR THOUGHT PRESS AROUND SOME OF THESE ISSUES.  THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.  NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO.  FOLLOWED BY COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I DON'T THINK THAT COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON REALLY THOUGHT WEWOULDN  HE'S A S.M.A.R SMART GUY.  I LIKE TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.  I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT,T'S THE SECOND OF FOUR AMENDMENTS THAT USE THE ARPA REVENUEEPLACEMENT FUNDING AS ITS SOURCE.  THIS SOURCE WAS OTHERWISE PROPOSED TO REDUCE THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY BY ANOTHER 1.5%.  THIS BODY VOTED AGAINST THAT PROPOSAL IN ORDER TO PROPOSE NEW PROGRAMMING THAT WILL INCREASE OUR TOTAL BUDGET SUBSTANTIALLY.  THAT AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THAT TAX LEVY WITH THE DOLLARS IS THE ONLY BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THUS FAR.  EVENF NOT USED THIS YEAR FOR LEVY REDUCTION, THE FUNDS COULD FALL TO THE BOTTOM LINE, AND IT COULD PAY DOWN NEXT YEAR'S LEVY PROPOSAL.  WE'RE DECLINING TWO CHANCES TO LOWER T LEVY FOR OUR BUSINESS OWN ARYS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.  I NEED TO BE CLEAR ABT THAT.  THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVEBOUT THIS PROGRAM MIGHT BE FOR COO ANDERSON-KELLEHER.  OR, ACTUALLY, I SEE THE DIRECTOR HERE.  AND DIRECTOR HANLON, WHO, I THINK, RUNS THIS PROGRAM.  THINDZ IS A PROGRAM THAT IS IMPLEMENTED BY BOTH HEALTH AND REGULATORY SERVICES.  I'M CURIOUS IF S SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN EACH DEPARTMENT'S ROLE IN THAT.  IT SEEMS DIRECTOR HANLON IS THE BEST EQUIPPED TO GIVE US AN EBBING PLAY NATION OF THE ROLES IN THE PROGRAM. >> DEPUTY COMMISSIONER HANLON, WELCOME.  PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF. >> DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF STAINABILITY HEALTHY HOMES AND ENVIRONMENT IN T HEALTH DEPARTMENT.  MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, SO, YEAH.  WE WORK IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE AR A DOLLARS AS COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON MENTIONED, ALLOWED US TO EXPAND OURROGRAMMING AND GET INTO HOMES.  WE'RE GETTING IN AND DOING A LOT OF PREVENTIVE WORK.  AND MOST OF THE PROPERTIES, I THINK, AROUND 70% OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE WORK WITH ARE RENTAL PROPERTIES.  WE'RE WORKING IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR RENTAL LICENSING INSPECTORS AND OUR INSPECTORS WHO, AND OUR STAFF WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED AND TRAINING IN LEAD AND HEALTHY HOMES.  LEAD INSPECTIONS.  SO, YEAH.  IT'S A CLOSEOLLABORATION.  THERE WAS A POINT MADE ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS.  WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PUBLIC WORKS AROUND SOME OF THE LEAD SERVICE LINE REPLACEMENT.  MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING THE WORK IN COLLABORATION. >> DIRECTOR, WILL WE BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR PACE OF LEAD LINE REPLACEMENT WITH THI FUNDING ALLOCATION? >>  MADAM AIR -- >>  IS THAT THE INTENT, I GUESS, FROM THE AUTHOR? >>  MADAM THEIR, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, THERE'S SEPARATE PROGRAMS AND THEY RUN ON SEPARATE TIMELINES.  WE JUST DO PARTNER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THE HAZARDS OF LEAD EXPOSURE. >> SEE.  WELL, THIS FUNDING IS GOING ENTIRELY TO HEALTH.  WILL REG SERVICES BE ABLE TO INCREASE THEIR CAPACITY OR MAYBEEEP INCREASED CAPACITY THEY HAD TO PARTNER WITH THE EFFT? >>  MADAM CHAIR -- >>  WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ANY MONEY TO DO SO, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING T POINT OUT. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, YEAH.  I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LIMITING FACTORS WE HAVE.  SOO GO BEYOND THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BUILDING CAPACITY WH REG SERVICES AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.  WE KNOW THIS IS A TOUGBUDGET YEAR.  SO THE MONEY THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE PUT INTO THE PROGRAM TO KEEP OUR STAFFING HERE AND TO KEEP THAT BASE UNIT HAVE SOME PROGRAMMING.  AND WE CAN REALLY SCALE UP OR SCALE DOWN, DEPENDING ON WHE COUNCIL WANTED TO GO WITH THIS.  BUT, YEAH.  THAT'S THE REG SERVICES CAPACITY WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP OF THIS. >> UH-HUH. >> IN FUTURE YEARS >> IN FUTURE YEARS. >> SO FOR  NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AMENDMENTS, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON YOU'LL BE HERE THEN.  I'M POINTING IT OUT.  I FULLY SUPPORT ACTIVE MITIGATION OF LEAD IN OUR HOMES.  I WISH IT WAS FROM AN ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCE SO WE CAN REDUCE OUR BUDGETS FOR RESIDENTS OF MINNEAPOLIS ACCORDINGLY.  I SUPPORT ACTIVE MITIGATION OF LEAD IN OUR HES.  THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. >> SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSN, COLLEAGUES, WE HAVE THE HEALTHY HOMES PRO ACTIVE ENFORCEMENT AMENDMENT OFFERED BY COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON BEFORE US.  I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 35. >> COUNCILMEMBER PAYNE. >> AYE. >> WONSLEY. >> AYE. >> RAINVILLE.>> AYE. >> VETAW. >> AYE. >> ELLISON. >> AYE. >> OSMAN. >> AYE. >> CASHMAN. >> AYE. >> JENKINS. >> AYE. >> CHAVEZ. >> AYE. >> CHOWDHURY. >> AYE >> PALMISANO. >> AYE. >> VICE CHAIR KOSKI. >> AYE. >> CHAIR CHUGHTAI. >> AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 AYES. >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  AND NEXTS AMENDMENT NUMBER 36, WHICH IS OFFERED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE, COUNCILMEMBERS ELLISON, CHOWDHURY, WONSLEY, MYSELF, OSMAN, AND CHAZ.  COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE, WILL YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE AND MOVE APPROVAL OF YOUR AMENDMENT. >> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI.  YH.  THIS AMENDMENT IS $50,000 TO STUDY A SOCIAL HOUSING PROJECT.  I'LL MAKE A DISTINCT BETWE SOCIAL HOUSING AND PUBLIC HOUSING.  PUBLIC HOUSING IS A HUD-FUNDED.  WRASHZ SOCIAL HOUSING IS HOUSING DEVELOPED BY A LAL JURISDICTION USING THE SAME TOOLS AS THE PRIVATE MARKET WOULD USE.  EVEN NONPROFITS.  SO WHETHER IT'S AFFORDAE HOUSING TRUST FUND, OR GOING STRAIGHT TO BANKS IN THE PRIVATE MARKET.  LEVERAGING SOME OF THOSE FINANCIAL TOOLS TO BUILD HOUSING DIRECTLY.  THAT CAN BE SUSTAINABLE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS SUBJECT TO THE MARKET CONDITIONS.  I'M MOVING THIS FROM THE RACL EQUITY FRAMEWORK PROPOSAL.  THIS WAS ABOUT $385,000 SET ASIDE TO DO SOME INTERNAL WORK AROUND RACIAL EQUITY.  I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH IN OUR RACIAL EQUITY TEAM TO DO THE WORK DIRECY RATHER THAN CONTRACT IT OUT.  THIS IS GOING TO THE POLICY AND RESEARCH TALE.  ON WHAT WOULD B THE RIGHT ENTITY TO DO THE BODY OF WORK.  THERE'S A A  A A IS.  .  .  >> COLLEAGUES, IS THERE ANY  DISCUSSI OR QUESTIONS RELATED  TO THIS ITEM?  I SEE A COUPLE OF MEMBERS IN QUEUE.  I WILL NOTE  THAT THIS IS ONE OF 3 AMENDMENTS THAT IS SOURCED USING THE RACIAL EQUITY FRAMEWORK CHAE ITEM AND THE TOTAL OF THOSE THREE  AMENDMENTS IS THE TOTAL OF THE  RACIAL EQUITY FRAMEWORK  PROPOSAL.  WITH THAT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  RAINVILLE.   >>HANK YOU, I'M WONDERING IF  ONE OF THE AUTHORS OF PREFERABLY COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE COULD  EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT  SOCIAL HOUSING IS.  I KNOW  SENATOR SMITH -- I HAD AN  OPPOUNITY TO TALK TO HER ABOUT HER IDEA.  WHAT IS THE AUTHOR'S  IDEAS OF SOCIAL00.   >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.   >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER RAD BE LEVERAGING SOME OF THE SAME  TOOLS THAT THE PRIVATE MARKET  LEVERAGES, WHETHER THAT'S  FINANCING FROM A TRADITIONAL  VENDOR OR LIHTC AFFORDABLE TRUST FUND AND INSTEAD OF AWARDING  THOSE FUNDS BIDDER IT WOULD  SAY -- THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT LOCAL  EQUITY TO TAKE THIS WORK ON?  IT COULD BE HENNEPIN COUNTY IT  COULD CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS OR  NCHP OR MAYBE A WHOLE NEW  ORGANIZATION THAT COULD BE STOOD UP FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE TO  DO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW HOUSING  THAT COULD BE PER PECHABLE  AFFORDABLE BECAU IT WOULD BE  FOR THAT NEW ENTITY.   >> SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A  HOUSING LAND TRUST MODEL, IS  THAT -- >> NO, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS A  HOUSING LAND TRUST MEL BUT IT  COULD ALIGN WITH THIS IDEA.  THE IDEA HERE IS TO EITHER BUILD NEW HOUSING OR EVEN -- YOU KNOW, I  HA A NURSING HOME THAT'S BEEN  ABANDONED IN MY WARD SINCE 2020  THAT THE CITY COULD PURCHASE AND RENOVATEND CONVERT INTO AN SRO SO IT COD BE A PER PECHABLE  SOURCE OF HOUSING ISN'T SUBJECT  TO HSING PRESSURES.   >> SO IT'S NOT MORE  GOVERNMENT-OWNED HOUSING?   >> CORRECT.   >> THANK YOU, NEXT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  PALMISAN   >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.        I READ WITH INTEREST  SENATOR SMITH'S OP-ED PIECE THAT WAS REPRINTED IN THE STAR  TRIBUNE A COUPLE MONTHS IT WAS  AOC AND IT WAS BEFORE THE LAST  ELECTION AND IT SOUNDED REALLY  PROMISING.        I WANT TO SHARE OUR AIRB,  RACE, EQUITY, INCLUSION AND  BELONGING IS A SMALL DEPARTMENT  AND IT REALLY CAN'T WITHSTAND A  REDUCTION LIKE THIS WITHOUT A  SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF SERVICE.        THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS  FOR THIS AMENDMENT, AS LONG AS I HAVE THE CURRENT ONE IT WILL NOT HAVE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING  SERVICES WITH THE SOURCE COMING  FROM NEW SPENDING AND TAKING A  MINIMAL AMOUNT FROM THIS NEW  SPENDING PROPOSAL.  USING THIS  FUNDING SOURCE AND THE TOTALITY  OF AMENDMENTS AT $385,000  COMPLETELY GUTS THIS ENTIRE LINE OF WORK WITH RACE, INCLUSION,  EQUITY AND BELONGING.  AM I  ACCURATE IN THAT.  IT SEEMS  THAT'S THE INTENT WITH THAT.  IS THAT TRUE.   >> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE WOULD  YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.   >> THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS SPECIFIC AMENDMENT AND I CAN'T  SPEAK TO OTHERS AMENDMENTS --  ONE OTHER DOE TAP INTO IT I  DIDN'T REALIZE AS I WAS DRAFTING MINE OTHER FOLKS WERE SOURCING  IT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY  THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.   >> SO SIMILAR TO THE MOUNTED  PATROL SOURCES USES OF FUNDS IS  NOT TO PUT ALL THE IMPACT ON  THE, LIKE, THE FIRST BUDGET  AMENDMENT AND THEN CONTINUE TO  SAY WELL, THIS PARTICULAR INITI  DECIMATED SO NOW LET'S TAKE THE  REST OF THE AND THAT'S ALL  RIGHT.        ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET  BOOK IT SAYS:  IMPLEMENT AGO  RACIAL EITY FRAMEWORK IN  MINNEAPOLIS IS CRUCIAL FOR  ADDRESSING CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS  BARRIERS REDUCING RACIAL  DISPARITIES AND FOSTERING  INCLUSIVITY IN HOUSING, CLIMATE  ACTION AND COMMUNITY SAFETY.        IF WE WANT TO TRULY BECOME  AN ANTIRACI CITY ENTERPRISE IN ALL THINGS, THE WORK OF OUR  RACIAL EQUITY FMEWORK LEADS US TO THAT GOAL ARE WE REALLY TO  JEOPARDIZE THAT BY ABANDONING  THIS WK?  THAT'S THE QUESTION  FOR THE AUTHORS.   >> COUNCIL MEMBER PAYNE WOULD  YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT  QUESTION.   >> I'M GLAD TO ANSWER THAT  QUESTION.        TWO THINGS, WE HAVE A FULLY CAPABLE STAFF WITHIN REIB EVEN  SOME HOLDING PHDS THAT I THINK  HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THIS  DIRECTLY INSTEAD OF CONTRACTING  IT OUT THAT'S PART 1.        PT 2 AS WE TALK ABOUT  THIS LARGER TOPIC OF CITY OF  MINNEAPOLIS RACISM AND BEING AN  ANTIRACIST -- I MEAN, SPEAKING  AS THE BLACK PRESIDENT OF THIS  BODY THINK PART OF A RACIAL  EQUITY FRAMEWORK IS BEING  AUTOMOBILE TO HAVE A CLEAR LENS  ON WHAT THEMPACT OF THESE  TYPES OF DECISIONS HAVE THROUGH  A RACIAL EQUITY LENS AND I THINK THE DIVERSITY OF THIS BODY PUTS  US IN A DIFFENT POSITION AS IT RELATES TO HOW WE UNDERSTAND  THESE IMPACTS AT A STRUCTURAL  LEVEL AND ALSO, LIKE I SAID, A  LOT OF THIS WORK IS TO GUIDE  INTERNAL ENTERPRISE WORK RATHER  THAN NECESSARILY EXTERNAL-FACING BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE  HOUSING CRISIS DOES  DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT BLACK  AND BROWN MARGINALIZED ENTITIES  IN OUR CITY.        AS WE LOOK AT DOLLAR  INVESTED OF TAXPAYER MONEY I  THINK CLOSING THE GAP WOULD BE  IMPACTFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY  >> THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT IT  SEEMS WE CAN DO RACIAL EQUITY  FRAMEWORK JUST HERE INTERNALLY.  I THINK WE HAD BEEN TRYING TO DO THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS HERE  UNSUCCESSFULLY.  AND THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET ANSWERING  OUTSIDE LOOK.  WHILE THE HOUSING STUDY IS VERY INTERESTING.  IT'S VERY INTERESTING- I'M CURIOUS  WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY  WOULD SAY.  I CANNOT SUPPORT  WHAT ENDS UP BEING THE TOTAL  REMOVAL OF THE RACE EQUITY  FRAMEWORPROPOSAL.  THANK YOU.  >> NEXT I'LL RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY.   >> THANK YOU, CHAIR.  I HAVE  SIMILAR CONCER, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL HAS TALKED A LOT ABOUT  THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RACE,  EQUITY AND BELONGING  DEPARTMENT'S WORK AND I MYSELF  HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO  SEEING HOW THAT ALL PLAYS OUT.   I'VE BEEN CRITICAL OF THIS  DEPARTMENT AND WONDERING WHAT  THE SPECIFICS ARE AND I JUST  THINK IT'S POOR TIMING TO NOW  REMOVE FUNDING FROTHIS  DEPARTMENT WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED  TO BE ON A PATHWAY TO GETTING  RESULTS ANDIGURING OUT WHAT'S  WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT WORKING.       SO I CAN'T SUPPORT ANY  AMENDMENT THAT'S GOINGO BE  TAKING FUNDING OUT OF THIS  DEPARTMENT.        I ALSO -- I GUESS THE  QUESTION IS -- WE'VE HAD SOME  AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE PASSED NOW  THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW -- I GUESS  IT'S REALLY ABOUT, LIKE,  DIFFERENT THINGS WE DO IN  HOUSING AND I'M WONDERING, LIKE, WHY WE DON'T HAVE THIS STUDY  FIRST BEFORE -- AND SEE WHAT  COMES OUT OF THIS.  MAYBE SOCIAL HOUSING IS THE WAY.  MAYBE  MANAGE COMMONSSE OUT OF THIS  STUDY BEFORE WE START CHANGING  UP EXISTING PROGRAMS ANTERIOR  PULL IN MONEY -- YOU KNOW, I  MYSELFAS WAITING UNTIL MARCH  OF NEXT YEAR TO LOOK AT THE  DGET OVERALL BECAUSE WE'LL  HAVE INFORMATION THAT COMES BACK TO UI BELIEVE IN FEBRUARY OR  SO.  I'M JUST WONDERING WHY ARE  WE MAKING THESE BIG DECISIONS  AROUND SOME OF THE HOUSING  AMENDMENTS INSTEADF WAITING TO SEE HOW THIS STUDY SHAKES OUT  AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP IN THIS BUDGET AND THEN --  'CAUSE WE CAN AMEND THAT AT ANY  TIME.  IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO  DO EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW.   JUST -- I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING  WHY THIS STUDY -- AND ALSO THE  ADDITIONAL THINGS -- AND NO ONE  HAS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.   THIS IS JUST ME KIND OF SORTING  THROUGH WHAT'S PLAYING OUT HERE  OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS.  IT  DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T FEEL WELL  THOUGHOUT OR, LIKE, IT'S -- THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST  ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS DEPARTMENT, RACEEQUITY, HAS BEEN ON THE  FOREFRONT A LOT OF FOLKS MOUTHS. HOW ARE WE APPROACHING RACE  EQUITY AS AITY AS A WHOLE AND  I DON'T KNOW, LIKE -- HOW THIS  MONEY WILL BE TAKEN OUTND  AFFECTING THE THINGS -- THE  DECISIONS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE  US IN THIS COMMITTEE -- IN COMMITES AROUND THE RACE  EQUITY DEPARTMENT.  IF COUNCIL  PRESIDENT PAYNE COULD ANSWER  THAT FOR ME THAT'S A DIRECT  QUESTION, KE:  HOW DO YOU  SEE -- WE'VE HAD, OH, MY  GOODNESS, EXTENSIVE  PRESENTATIONS FROM THIS  DEPARTMENT ABOUT THE WORK MOVING FORWARD AND SO TO REMOVE THE  MONEY FROM THAT DEPARTMENT AT  THIS TIME JUST WONDERING,  LIKE -- CONTINUINGO PLAY  OUT -- IS THE GOAL THAT WE  JUST -- IN THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND MOVE THE STAFF INTO -- YOU  KNOW, OTHER POSITIONS THUGHOUT THE ENTERPRISE?   >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE  BEFORE I ASK IF YOU'D LIKE TO  ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, I'D LIKE  TO REMIND COLLEAGUES BEFORE WE  CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM LET'S PLEASE KEEP DISCUSSION  NARROWLY FOCUSED TO THE  AMENDMENT THAT IS BEFORE THE  BODY.        WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS  THAT COMMITTEE.  QUESTION?   >> YEAH, SURE THIS IS THE  AGOLD QUESTION MAKE VERSUS  BUY.  DO YOU DO SOMETHING IN  HOUSE OR DO YOU OUTSOURCE IT?  I THINK THIS IS A BODY OF WORK  THAT NEEDS TO BE DURABLE AND NOT A ONE-TIME REPORT BUT ONGOING  WORK AND I THINK THAT HAVING OUR FULL-TIME STAFF THAT HAVE THE  PERTISE, OWNING THAT WORK IS  GOING TO SERVE THE INSTITUTION  BETTER.   >> SO WE HAVE SOMEONE ONTAFF  IN RACE EQUITY THAT HAVE DONE  PREVIOUS SOCIAL HOUSING STUDIES  OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT THEIR CREDITED ENOUGH INSURANCE POLICY DO A -- >> OH, NO, THE -- I'M ANSWERING  YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE SOURCE.  THE -- IN TERMS OF THE SOCIAL  HOUSING STUDY THAT'S AN  ALLOCATION FOR OUR POLICY AND  RESEARCH GROUP SO THAT THEY HAVE THE ROURCES TO CONTRACT  WITH -- >> OKAY.  SO CONTRACT WITH  SOMEBODY?  IT  >> YES, BUT FOR THE RACIAL  EQUITY WORK WHICH WE'RE SOURCIN  APPROPRIATE FOR THAT WORK TO BE  DONE IN-HOUSE.   >> OKAY, THAT'S THE WORK -- I'M  SORRY, CHAIR.  I KNOW WHERE  YOU'RE GOING WITH THE VEERING  OFF INTO OTHER SUBJECTS BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD NOT TO IN THIS  PARTICULAR INSTANCE BECAUSE  THERE'S JT BEEN SO MUCH  CONVERSATION ABOUT -- LIKE WHAT  THE RACE EQUITY DEPARTMENT IS  SET UP TO DO AND WHAT THE GOALS  ARE FOR THIS DEPARTMENT.  I  GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING,  LIKE, HOW WE'VE DRAWN THIS  CONCLUSION NOW THAT THEY HAVE  THE ABILITY TO DO THIS WORK  WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BUT  THIS -- T PAST 2, 3 YEARS  WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THEM  HAVING THE OPTION OF SOURCING IT OUT IF THEY NEED OR GETTING  PARTNERED.  I JUST DON'T KNOW  WHERE THAT CONCLUSION WAS DRAWN  AND WHO MADE THE DECISION?   >> IN -- IN 2022, WE APPROVED  THE -- COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, I'M GOING TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.       IN 2022, THIS BODY APPROVED THE GOVERNMT STRUCTURE,  GOVERNMENT RESTRUCTURE OMNIBUS  ORDINANCE.  IN THAT ORDINANCE,  THE RACIAL EQUITY INCLUSION AND  BELONGING DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED AND ITS ROLES SHIFTED AND IT WAS TASKED WITH THIS NARROW ROLE OF  ADDRESSING CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS  INEQUITIES WITHITHE ENTERPRISE ITSELF.   >> UH-HUH.   >> AND SO THE THOUGHT ON -- THE  PURPOSE OF THE -- THIS CHANGE  ITEM, THE RACIAL EQUITY  FRAMEWORK CHANGE ITEM IS TO  CONDUCT IS TO OUTSOURCE AND TO  HAVE A STUDY COMPLETED ONOW TO ADDRESS -- ON A FRAMEWORK FOR  RACIAL EQUITY FOR THIS  INCLUSION.  THE BELIEF OF THE  AUTHOR HERE, AS HE'S OUTLINED  AND I'LL SPEAK AS AN AUTHOR  MYSELF HER TOO -- THAT -- THIS  STUDY IS SUPPOSED TO DO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE AN ENTIRE STAFF  WITHIN THE RACIAL EQUITY EQUITY  INCLUSION AND BELONGING  DEPARTMENT TASKED WITH DOING.   SO THAT -- >> THAT STRUGGLES WITH STAFFING? >> FAIR POINT.  FAIR POINT.   >> IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS A  DEPARTMENT THATAS SEEN SWIFT.  THERE'S BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF  TURNOVER IN THIS DEPARTMENT.  WE CAN END THE CONVERSATION NOW BUT I JUST WANT -- IT JUST DOESN'T  MAKE SSE FOR ME.  THIS IS --  THIS DEPARTMENT HAS NOT SHOWN  STRENGTH IN STAFFING, RETAINING  EMPLOYEES AT ALL.  THIS HAS BEEN A STRUGGLE.  I'VE SEEN TWO  DIRECTORS IN MY TIME HERE --  SO -- AND THE OTHER STAFF HAS -- I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN MASSIVE  TURNOVER.  I SEE.  I'M SORRY.   >> WONDERFUL, THANK YOU.        NEXT I WILL RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY FOLLOWED  BY COUNCIL MEMBEJENKINS KINS.  >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER  CHUGHTAI CHEWING.  I JUST WANT  TO RE-ENFOE COUNCIL MEMBER  PRESIDENT PAYNE'S ON THE ABILITY TO DO THIS IN-HOUSE.  T REASON WHY I FEEL CONFIDENT IN DRAWING  THAT CONCLUSION -- I USE THE  EXAMPLE OF TRUTH AND  RECONCILIATION WORK.  YOU KNOW  LAST CYCLE WE PASSED A BUDGET  ALLOCATION TO DO TRUTH  RECONCILIATION WORK AND FOR  MONTH-TO-MONTH TO MONTH THAT  WORK BECAME DELAYED, AND DELAYED AND I MET WITH THEM REPEATEDLY  THIS YEAR -- WE HAD DEPUTY S  ALSO PART OF THOSE MEETINGS  WHICH SEEMS TO BE MANDATED THESE DAYS AND AS PARTF THOSE  CONVERSATIONS, WE ASK:  WHAT DO  YOU NEED HELP WITH IN ORDER TO  GET THIS WORK DONE?  DO YOU NEED A CONTRACT IN ORDER TO GET A  FRAMEWORK OUTED SO THAT YOUAN  ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THE TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION WORK THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR.   DO YOU NEED A CONTRACTOR AND  WE'RE HAPPY TO DO AN EARMARK OR  APPROPRIATION FOR THAT.  REIB  DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE A CONTRACT AND ACTUALLY DECIDED A TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION FRAMEWORK  IN-HOUSE BY THEMSELVES WITH  THEIR OWNING SUBJECT MATTER  EXPERTISE SO IF THEY CAN  ESTABLISH A TRUTH AND  RECONCILIATION FRAMEWORK BETWEEN PHDS WITH MASTERS DEGREES I  ABSOLUTELY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT  THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO  DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK AROUND  ANTIRACIST PRINCIPLES AND  PROXIES AND METHOLOGIES -- ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GOES INTO  DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK.  I FEEL  VERY CONFIDENT THAT OUR STAFF  OULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.        AND I HOPE THAT ONCE  THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY  CAN ALSO PAIR THA WITH MEETINGS MAYBE WITH SOME MEMBERS ON THIS  BODY SO THAT FOLKS CAN  UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE EVEN IN 2024 WHY SLAVERY STILL EXISTS IN THE CONTENT OF OUR PRISON  SYSTEMS OR COMMUNITIES LIKE  LITTLE EARTH OR MIDTOWN AND THE  NEED TO GET RESOURCES TO  COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN  HISTORICALLY DEPRIVED BY THIS  CITY AND ALONG RACIAL LINES.  I  WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT DEVELOP  DO A LOT MORE CONSULTATION WITH  EVEN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY AND  NO JUST THOSE WHO ARE NOT MY  SKIN TONE, TOO, BUT ACTUALLY  THOSE MINDS AS WELL SO I KNOW  THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS WORK IN-HOUSE AS THEY'VE  DEMONSTRATED ELSEWHERE SO I FEEL GOOD IN SUPPORTING THIS  AMENDMENT AND MAKG SURE WE'RE  ABLE TO GET RESOURCES TO ALSO  EVALUATE HOW WE CAN CHAMPION  OTHER HOUSING MEASURES THAT'S  GOING TO ADDRESS HOUSING DISPAR  >> THANK YOU.  NEXT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER  OSMAN.   >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  I'M  CONFUSED.  I THOUGHT WE HAD THE CAPACITY IN-HOUSE WITH OUR  POLICY AND RESEARCH TEAM TO DO  THIS WORK AND WE'RE SAYING WE  NEED TO CONTRACT IT OU  MAYBE  THEIR CAPACITY IS BEING  STRETCHED THIN BY THE NUMBER OF  PROJECTS.  IF THAT'S SO, PLEASE  LET ME KNOW. BUT I'M NOT SURE  THEY NEED CONTRACTED SERVICES TO DO THIS WORK.  I THOUGHT I  REALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE CAPABLE AND DO THE DEGREES TO BE ABLE  DO THIS RESEARCH.   >> COUNCIL MEMBER PRESIDENT  PAYNE, WOULD Y LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION?   >> YES.  WE -- THEY'RE AERY  SMALL TEAM DOING VERY MIGHTY  WORK ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER.  WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF  ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE  UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA KURA  TEAM THAT DOES A LOT OF VER  SPECIFIC HOUSING POLICY WORK.   BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A SPECIFIC  SCOPE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT  EXTERNAL CONTRACTING ON THIS  TOPIC IN PARTICULAR A LOT OF THE REQUESTS WAS COMING FROM SOME OF OUR LOCAL RENTERS RIGHTS  ADVOCACY GROUPS AS WELL AND I  WANTED THERE TO BE THE RESOURCES SO THAT WE COULD HAVE AS  EXPENSIVE APPROACH AS POSSIBLE  ON THIS TOPIC.   >> WELL, TO SOME OF THE POINTS  THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, I MEAN,  REIB, THE TERMS WHAT I KNOW IS A VERY SMALL DEPARTMENT AS WELL.   TASKED WITH A NUMBER OF REALLY,  ALLY CRITICAL ISSUES AND I'M  SURE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY FULLY  MEETING THOSE NEEDS THAWE HAVE RIGHT NOW.        SOMEONE MENTIONED THERE'S A TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION PROCESS BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS SING THEY ARE NOT SEEING THAT AT ALL.   PERIOD!  THAT'S WHAT THEY CAME  UP HERE AND TOLD US.  I GUESS  THAT WAS THE EVERYONE IT IS  OF -- IMPETUS OF DENNING THE  WORK AT GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE  BECAUSE THERE HN'T BEEN TRUTH  AND RECONCILIATION YET.  SO  THESE COMMENTS ARE HARD TO  UNDERSTAND.  AND TAKING ONE  CONTRACTED SERVICES AND GIVE TO  ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO DO  CONTRACTED SERVICES -- THAT -- I WOULD ASSUME THEY PAR HAS THE  CAPACITY TO DO THAT WORK, THE  DEGREES, THE PHDS, THE MASTERS  DEGREES,T CETERA.  THANK YOU.  >> THANK YOU.  WITH THAT,  COLLEAGUES, WE HAVEHE SOCIAL  HOUSING STUDY AMENDMENT OFFERED  BY COUNCIL MEMBERS PAYNE,  ELLISON, CHOWDHURY, WONSLEY,  CHUGHTAI, OSMAN, AND I WOULD ASK TO CALL THE ROLL ON  ITEM N NO. 6.   (ROLL CALL.)  >> THERE ARE 9 AYES AND 4 NAYS.  >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.        AMENDMENT NO. 37 IS OFFERER KOSKI, WILL YOU PLEASE INTDUCE THE LATINO CULTURAL DESTINATION  AMENDMENT AND MOVE ITS APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.        OF THE LATINO DESTINATION  BUDGET PROPOSAL SEEKS TO FUND  THE CREATION OF AN ECONOMIC PLAN IN MINNEAPOLIS.  THEIR FOCUS  WILL BE IN THE UPTOWN AREA.  A  PROPOSAL IS BEING DRIVEN BY THE  MINNESOTA LATINO SMALL BUSINESS  COUNCIL.  THE FUNDING WILL  SUPPORT THE CREATION OF AN  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH  WILL INCLUDE FEASIBILITY AND  FILM DESIGN.  LATINO POPULATION  IN MINNEAPOLIS HAS BEEN GROWING  STEADILY, PLAYING AN ESSENTIAL  ROLE IN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY FROM  CONTRIBUTING TO THE WORKFORCE  AND DRIVING ENTREPRENEURSHIP  THROUGH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERSHIP TO ENRICHING THE CITY'S CULTURAL NDSCAPE.  THE LATINO COMMUNITY IS PART OFHE LOCAL VIBRANCY.   THE DESTINATION AIMS TO  CELEBRATE AND CELEBRATE CULTURE  AND A HUB FOR COMMUNITY  CONNECTION AND CULTURAL EXCHANGE BEYOND ITS CULTURAL EXTENSION  THE DESTINATION WILL ALSO HAVE A STRONG ECONOMIC IMPACT BY  CREATING JOBS AND ECONOMIC  VIBAIT AND ECONOMIC BOTH THAT  BENEFITS BOTH THE LATINO  COMMUNITY AND THE CITY AT LARGE. THE FUNDING -- FUNDING THE  CREATION OF THE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS A STRATEGIC  INVESTMENT THAT WILL SET THE  STAGE FOR LEVERAGING OF FUTURE  PRIVATE STATE CONTRIBUTIONS IN  ITS DEVELOPMENT.  THANK YOU.   >> VICE-CHAIR KOSKI HAS MOVED  APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NO. 37.   IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT  MOTION.  >> SECOND.   >> THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY  MOVED AND SECONDED.  COLLEAGUES, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR  QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS ITEM I WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMANMAN?   >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  AND  THANK YOU VICE-CHAIR KOSKI FOR  THE I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS  AMENDMENT AND I'LL JUST EXPLAIN  WHY.  I FEEL IT'S WORKING WITH  FILLING VACANT STORE FRONTS AND  HOPEFULLY, MORE ACROSS THE CITY  BUT AT LEAST THE ONES THAT HAVE  BEEN LAUNCHING THIS YEAR WITH  THE $250,000 IN LORING PARK HAS  BEEN REALLY POSITIVE SUPPORTING  ARTS ORGANIZATIONS.  THERE ARE  FOUR RECIPIENTS OF THAT INITIAL  FUNDING AND THE PLAN FOR THIS  MONEY WHICH IS THE SOURCE F  THIS AMENDMENT IS TO EXPAND THAT IMPACT ACROSS THE CITY INCLUDING IN UPTOWN AND I REALLY WANT TO  KEEP THAT MONEY INTACT AND I'M  NOT WILLING TO PART WITH EVEN  $125,000 FOR LIKE ONE-OFF  DEVELOPMENT HE.  SO I WOULD  JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO  CONSIDER THE IMPACTS TO THE  VIBRAN STORE FRONTS EXPANSION  ACROSS UPTOWN AND THE CULTURAL  DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THIS.  THANK YOU.   >> THANK YOU.  NEXT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MBER  PALMISANO.   >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.  AND  ALREADY HAVE A LATINO CULTURAL  CENTER BEING DEVELOPED ON  LAKE STREET?  IS THAT -- >> VICE-CHAIR KOSKI, WAS  ACTUALLY TO ADDRESS THAT  QUESTION.   >> THANK YOU, THROUGH THE CHAIR. THERE IS DEFINITELY SEVERAL  BUSINESSES AND WORK FOR OUR  CULTURAL DISTRICT THERE BUT THEY SEE A GROWTH OORTUNITY HERE  ESPECIALLY WITH THE VACANT STORE FRONTS IN UPTOWN AND SO I WANT  TO BABLE TO TAKE THAT  OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THE  SUPPORT IN IT REVITALIZING  UPTOWN AND SEE THATS AN  OPPORTUNITY TO GROW AND EXPAND.  YOU KNOW, THE LATINO POPULATION  IS SIGNIFICANTLY GROWING, BUT,  YOU KNOW, I DON'T ACTUALLY I  THINK MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBER  CHAVEZ HAS A GREAT QUOTE FOR HIS NEXT ONE SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THAT BUT I DO KNOW THE SUPPORT  THAT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS HAS BEEN GIVING FOR ENTREPRENEURS  FOR LATINO WE RANK THE LOWEST  ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SO THIS  IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HEL  HOLISTIC PLAN.  WE TALKED A LOT  ABOUT CREATING HOLISTIC PLANS  AND THATS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND ALSO TO LEVERAGE  OTHER FUNDING, OUTSOURCE  FUNDING.        SO I HEAR THE PUSH-BACK  FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN.  I  UNDERSTAND TAKING AWAY FROM THE  VIBRANT STOREFRONTS BUT THE GOAL HERE IS THAT THEY WILL BE  FILLING THOSE STORE FRONTS IN  UPWN SO I HOPE THAT HELPS  ANSWER THE QUESTION.   >>, NOHE QUESTION WAS:  DO WE  HAVE A CULTURAL CENTER BEING  DEVELOPED ON LAKE STREET?   >> AND I DON'T BELIEVE -- >> A LATINO CULTURAL CENTER.   >> COUNCIL MEMBEREN, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE ASKED COUNCIL MEMBER  CHAVEZ -- >> YEAH, WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THE  QUESTION.   >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ IF YOU  COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.   >> THERE'S A COMMUNITY ON  LAKE STREET WRE THEY ARE  BUILDING A LATINO CENTER FOR  COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.  IT IS A  NONPROFIT.  IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE  A BUSINESS BUT, CORRECT, IT  WOULD BE SOME SO HAVE NONPROFIT  DEVELOPMENT ON LAKE STREET.   >>ND THE CITY HAS SUPPORT AND  FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT RIGHT?  >> WE'RE VOTING ON THAT  AMENDMENT LATER TODAY.   >> I THOUG WE COMMITTED -- I  MEAN -- MAYBE MORE RESOURCES --  I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT  AMENDMENT IS.    IT'S LATER DOWN -- >> HAVE WE NOT FUNDED THIS  CURRENT PROJECT NOW?   >> I DON'T THINK SO.  I DID MAKE A REQUEST -- MAYBE I DID  PREVIOUSLY BUT THIS ONE NOW -- I DON'T KNOW.  I CAN ONLY  ANSWER -- YEAH.   >> I SEE -- I SEE DIRECTOR  HANSON OR POTENTIALLY THE DOCTOR TO COME UP TO ANSWER THE  QUESTION OF THE CITY'S  INVESTMENT IN THE -- IN THAT  PROJECT ON LAKE STREET.  WELCOME DIRECTOR HANSON.   >> THANK YOU, UNCIL VICE  PRESIDENT.  AND  COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS, I THINK, ASKED THE QUESTION.   >> UH-HUH.   >> WE HAVE A PASS-THROUGH GRANT  FOR TRANS ORIENTED COMMUNITIES  FOR THE DUPAL PROJECT.  I'LL  HAVE HAVE TO PULL UP THE NES  FOR THAT BUDGET AMENDMENT AND  THEN THERE'S AN AMENDMENT THAT'S COMING UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERION LATER IN THE PACKET.   >> SO THE PASS-THROUGH ISROM  THE $8 MILLION FROM THE STATE -- >> NO, THAT'S -- THAT PROGRAM -- THAT IS A -- THAT IS A CONTRACT  THAT WE HAVE WITH -- THAT IS A  CORACT WE HAVE WITH THE  FOUNDATION -- THE GRAVES  FOUNDATION AND THAT IS DOING  MARKETING AND PREDEVELOPMENT  WORK ON LAKE STREET.  THAT IS  BEING ADMINISTERED THROUGH  THEM -- ROUGH THE CITY.  THIS  WOULD BE A PROJECT THROUGH  HENNEPIN COUNTY.   >> OKAY.  THANK YOU.   >> UH-HUH.   >> SO THERE IS ENTITY COPAL THAT IS DEVELOPING A CULRAL CENTER  ON LAKE STREET.  A LATINO  CULTURAL CENTER ON LAKE STREET.       AND THEN I'M CURIOUS -- WE  DO HAVE THE LATINO ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION LEDC, I  BELIEVE -- IT SEEMS TO  THEY  WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ENTITY  TO BE CONDUCTING TS ECONOMIC  STUDY.  IS THAT WHERE THESE  FUNDS ARE INTENDED TO GO.   >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI.   >> AND THEY'LL THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO APPLY TO THAT.  BUT  THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE  APPROACHED ME ARE AROUND 250  SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE  FORMED LATINO SMALL BUSINESS  COUNCIL.  THEY WILL ALSO APPLY  TO THIS SO WHO IN THE END WILL  BE ABLE TO DO THIS FEASIBILITY  STUDY AND, AGAIN, THIS IS  DIFFERENT THAN THE COPAL.  THIS  IS ABOUTUPPORTING THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF UPTOWN.  THAT'S  REALLY WHERE THEIROCUS IS  GOING TO BE WITH THIS.   >> I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND  THEN BECAUSE IT'S CLED LATINO  CULTURAL DESTINATION, NOT LATINO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.  --  DEVELOPMENT PLANNING.   >> WE CAN NAME IT SOMETHING ELSE IF YOU'D LIKE.  I THINK THEY'RE  TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME TO  UPTOWN AND THEY WANT TO BE PART  OF -- BRINGING PEOPLE BACK TO  TOWN AND CREATING THAT  DESTINATION.  THAT MEANS TAKING  SOME OF THEIR BUSINESSES THAT  THEY HAVE AND SEEING THIS  OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH AND  EXPANDING.   >> THANK YOU  >> THANK YOU.  NEXT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  RAINVILLE.   >> THANK YOU.  I CANNOT SUPPORT  THIS BECAUSE IT'S PITTING  DOWNTOWN VERSUS THE  NEIGHBORHOODS.  AND COMMONSENSE  WILL TELL US WE HAVE TO -- WE  HAVE TO UNDERSTANDE'RE FACING  A BUDGET CRISIS BECAUSE OF THE  EMPTY BUILDINGS I DOWNTOWN SO  WHEN THESE MEGA OFFICE BUILDINGS ARE EMPTY AND THEIR TAX BASE  KEEPS GETTING LOWER AND LOWER.   EVERY RENTER, EVERY OWNER IN  MINNEAPOLIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO  PAY THE PRICE.        AND BY DIVERTING FUNDS --  THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME -- >> THROUGH THE CHAIR -- THROUGH  THE CHAIR I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE MONEY IS NOT JUST  FOR DOWNTOWN.  THAT  COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN WAS  DESCRIBING.  IT WAS GOING TO BE  THE NEW STOREFRONT PROJECT WAS  GOING TO BE EXPANDING BEYOND  DOWNTOWN AND SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE TO DOWNTOWN.  SO I'M NOT  TRYING TO PIT MONEY AGAINST  THEM.  I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO  ENHANCE AND SUPPORT LATINO  ENTREPRENEURS AND WORK WITH THEM TO HELP THINK ABOUT AN AREA THEY SEE OPPORTUNITY IN A SPACE FOR  GROWTH.        THEMAY ALSO, YOU KNOW,  THROUGH THIS FEASIBILITY STUDY  SHOW THAT DOWNTOWN IS THE PLACE  FOR THEM.   >> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO  DO AND WHAT THE EFFECT OF THIS  IS GOING TO BE IS TO CONTINUE  THE LACK OF SUPPORTOR DOWNTOWN TO GET THOSE OFFICE BUILDINGS  GOING.  I'M NOT VOTING FOR  THIS -- WE ALL SHOULD FOCUS ON  INCREASING THE TAX BASE IN  DOWNTOWN SO IT DECREASES THE  TAXES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD  BUSINESS DISTRICTS, EVERY RENTER IN THIS CITY AND WHEN EVERY  BUILDING OWNER IN THIS CITY.   >> THANK YOU.  I PUT MYSELF IN  QUEUE.  I WANTED TO JUST SPEAK  TO THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT, YOU  KNOW, FIRST I WILL SAY --  CERTAINLY THERE'S AN EMPHASIS  PLACED ON THE DEVALTION OF  COMMERCIALROPERTY IN IT  DOWNTOWN.  YOU KNOW, IN THE  REPORTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED  EARLIER THIS YEAR FROM OUR  ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WE SEE A  DEVALTION OF PROPERTY UPTOWN.   IT'S FELT VERY DEEPLY IN THE  UPTOWN BOTH COMMERCIAL AND  RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY       I HAVE THE HONOR OF  REPRESENTING UPTOWN ALONGSIDE  COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN AND I SEE THIS PROPOSAL AS SOMETHING THAT  IS HELPING FILL EMPTY STORE  FRONTS IN UPTOWN THAT'S HELPING  BRING, YOU KNOW, MINORITY OR  MARGINALIZED ENTREPRENEURS UP TO UPTOWN AND INVESTING TO SMALL  BUSINESS OWNERS AND LOCAL  BUSINESS OWNERS TO UPTOWN FOR  THE LONG HAUL AND I THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE INVESTMENT AND SO  I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT IT TODAY  AND WITH THAT I WILL RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW FOLLOWED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO.   >> THANK YOU, AIR.  I'M VERY  CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THIS  AMENDMENT GOALS ARE OR, LIKE,  WHAT -- WHAT'S THE PLAN HERE  REALLY?  I REALLY DON'T  UNDERSTAND.  I INLUDED TO THE  VIBRANT STORE FRONTS ANDF THAT INCLUDES UPTOWN, THEN I THINK  THAT'S FINE.  IF WE'RE GOING TO  INCLUDE THE EMPTY STORE FRONTS  IN UPFRONT IN THE VIBRANT STORE  FRONTS INITIATIVE, THAT IS  PERFECTLY FINE.  I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE LAURIE IN THAT.  I'D --  LOWRY INTO THAT AND BROADWAY AND I WOULD LOVE FOR THE LATINO  COMMUNITY TO COME AND USE THE  SPACES IN NORTH MINNEAPOLIS AS A PART OF THIS.  IEALLY DON'T  GET, LIKE, WHAT THIS STUDY IS  GOING TO DO AND I PERSONALLY  WOULD PREFER TO GIVE THIS  $125,000 TO SOME LATINO  BUSINESSES TO GO INTO SOME STORE FRONTS INSTEAD OF WHAT WE'RE  PROPOSING HERE.        WE'VE COMMITTED AS A  COUNCIL TO THE VIBRANT  STOREFRONT INITIATIVE AND I  THINK WE SULD CONTINUE WITH  THAT.        CUTTING IT AT $125,000 IS A BIG DEAL.  IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT O  PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR BACKS  ON GETTING INTO THIS STORE  FRONTS AND THAT THIS PROGRAM  WILL CONTINUE TO GROW.        I KNOW PERSONALLY THE WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF APPLICANTS WHO APPLIED FOR THIS AND WEIDN'T  HAVE ENOUGH MONEY AS IT WAS TO  GET THE BUSINESSE OF COLOR -- I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN IS  SAYING 40 AND WE ONLY AWARDED  MAYBE 4 OR 5 -- I SEE DIRECTOR  JOHNSON IS HERE.  CAN YOU COME  UP, DIRECTOR, AND GIVE ME THE  NUMBERS OF FOLKS WHO APPLY  VERSUS WHO WE GOT?  I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE NUMBER --  NOT THAT ANYONEID WRONG BUT  THAT THE NEED WAS THERE BUT I  WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE PEOPLE OF COLOR RECEIVE THE FUNDING FOR  THE VIBRANT STORE FRONTS BAUSE WE DO HAVE THE EMPTY SPACE. O  COULD YOU TELL ME THE NUMBERS  PLEASE.   >> WELCOME DIRECTOR COULD YOU  FIRST INTRODUCE YOURSELF.   >> GOOD TERNOON BEN JOHNSON  ARTS AND CULTURAL DIRECTOR AND THROUGH THE VICE PRESIDENT AND  THROUGH COMMISSIONER VETAW.        WHEN WE FIRST INITIATED  THIS PILOT INITIATIVE AND  THROUGH THE INITIATIVE -- AS WE  CONDUCTED OUR FIRST OPEN HOUSE  OF AVAILABLE SPACES WE HAD 150  ORGANIZATIONS PREVIEW THOSE  SPACES WE HAD 52 SPACES AND WE  AWARD 5.   >> WOW!   >> I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW IT WAS UP FOR GRABS.  HOW SOMEBODY COULD  SEE THIS IS TAKE MONEY FROM THIS AS THE NEED IS THERE.  I'M SURE  THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS  OF COLOR THAT APPLY THIS -- DO  YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS,  DIRECTOR?   >> I DON'T HAVE -- >> NO PRESSURE.   >> I DON'T HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN  FOR LATINOS SPECIFICALLY BUT IT  WAS 80% BIPOC.   >> 80% COMMUNITIES OF COLOR WHO  APPLIED FOR THAT?   >> YES, FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF  APPLICANTS.   >> AND WHAT WOULD THIS LK LIKE TO INCLUDE STORE FRONTS IN  UPTOWN?   >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, AND TO  THE CHAIR, WE WOULD BE LOOKING  AT 5 TO 7 PLACEMENTS.  5 TO 10.  >> THE WORK IS DONE.  WHAT WE  NEED TO DO IS PUT MORE MONEY  INTO THIS INITIATIVE SO YOU CAN  GET -- YOU SAID 5 TO 7 PLACEMENT SO WE CAN GET 15 PLACED IN  UPTOWN AND INCLUDE THE FOLKS OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY.  THAT'S THE  WORK.  I DON'T SEE WHAT CTING  THIS IS GOING TO ACHIEVE.  I  THINK WE WOULD BE TAKING MANY  STEPS BACKWARDS IF WE CUT THE  EXISTING FUNDING AND -- I GUESS  PILOT IT SOMETHING DIFFENT.  I REALLY THINK THIS IS AN  OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CREATE  CULTURAL DISTRICTS.  I THINK  THIS IS A BIG WAY FOR THE CITY  TO OFFSET THESE HUGE COSTS FOR  COMMUNITIES OF COLOR TO GET IN  STORE FRONTS THAT THEY WOULD  NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE  IN BEFORE.  SO I HOPE COLLEAGUES DON'T SUPPORT THIS AND WE LOOK  AT A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING  THIS.        THANK YOU SO MUCH,  DIRECTOR, FOR BEING HERE.   >> I WILL NEXT RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO.   >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.        THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER  VETAW, FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND I  DON'T STAND-ALONE WHEN I SAY  WE'VE ALL LAUDED THE WORKS OF  OUR CULTURAL ARTS AND CULTURAL  DEPARTMENT FOR THE VIBRANT  DOWNTOWN STORE FRONTSND THE  NEED FOR IT TO EXPAND TO OTHER  STRUGGLING AREAS.  I DON'T THINK THIS STRUGGLE OFFSETS OR COMING  FROM INVESTMENT ELSEWHERE.  I  THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER AS A  CPED GRANTS PROPOSAL.  IT'SHE  BEST IN THE CITY IN LATINO  BUSINESS MEMBERS USING SURROGAT  USING PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY  FOR WORK.  THE GRAVES FOUNDATIO ALSO WAS MENTIONED AND THEY ALSO DO SOME VERY GOOD WORK.  MANY OF US WENT ON A BUS TOUR A FEW  YEARS AGO LED BY FORMER MAYOR  RYBAK WITH STATE LEGISLATURES  ACTUALLY HOW WE COULD STRATEGIZE WITH ALL THE MANY NONPROFITS IN  THE AREA, IN THE AREA OF THE  LAKE STREET CORRIDOR THAT IS THE GRAVES FOUNDATION WAS THE  STARTING POINT AND ENDING POINT  FOR THAT CONVERSATION AND IT WAS ABOUT HOW WE COORDINATE ALL THE  DIFFERENT EXISTING EFFORTS TO  MOST EFFECTIVELY LOBBY THE STATE FOR REVITALIZATION FUNDS.        SOME OF THOSE WE AND THOSE  NONPROFIT PARTNERS RECEIVED --  EVEN IF WE DON'T SEE THAT MONEY  FULLY DEPLOYED YET, THAWAS A  VERY COORDINATED EFFORT FOR  PEOPLE IN THE AREA.        I'M AFRAID THIS PITS THE  REVITALIZATION OF UPTOWN AGAINST THE DESIRE FOR SOMETHING NEW  ELWHERE AND, YOU KNOW, THIS  ONE TIME MONEY STUFF -- I THINK  EVERYBODY HE ON THIS DAIS ARE  VERY WELL INTENTIONEND BUT WHEN  WE'RE USING ONE-TIME MONEY LIKE  THIS I THINK WE'RE ALSO REALLY  OUT OF OUR DEPTH AS COUNCIL  MEMBERS.  WE'RE REALLY  OVEREXTENDING OURSELVES HERE AND OVEREXTENDING OUR CITY WHEN WE  DO THESE ONE TIME PILOTS WHEN  THEY'RE AMENDMENT AFTER  AMENDMENT.        AND I'LL SAY THIS VERY  CAREFULLY.  I THINK THIS  PROPOSAL LACKS THE VISION AND,  FRANKLY, THE UNDERSTANDING OF  THE ECONOMIC NEEDS OF OUR ENTIRE CITY AND IS NOT CONSIDERING THE  LOSS OF THIS EXPANSION IN IT A  HIGHLY IMPACTED COMMUNITY  >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE?   >> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR JOHNSON.  YOU DON'T HAVE TO COMMENT BUT I  DIDN'T SEE YOU SITTING OVER  THERE AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO  ALL THE PRAISE YOU'RE DOING.   'CAUSE YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB  AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE  TO THIS ORGANIZATION.  THANK  YOU.        AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND  THIS COUNC THAT THE PAST  LEADERSHIP -- WE HAD GREAT  LEADERSHIP IN THE '70s AND '80s  COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYORS WHO SAW  THE NEED TO MAKE DOWNTOWN SAFE  AND VIBRANT AND TO BUILD THAT UP AND GET THAT TAX BASE AND WE  WENT HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT TO GET  US BACK ON TRACK AS A CITY SO  OUR LOW INCOME AND FED INCOME  RESIDENTS RIGHT ANKLE SUFFERING  FROM THESE GREAT INCREASES IN  TAXES.   >> THANK YOU, AND THEN FINANNG I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER  CHAVEZ AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE  ROLL ON THIS ITEM.   >> THANK YOU.  IF STAFF COULD  TELL ME HOW MUCH MONEY WAS  ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT THIS  YEAR.  NOT THIS BUDGET BUT HOW  MUCH FUNDING WE HAD FOR THE  YEAR?  WELL, I KNOW.  I JUST  WANT TO HEAR IT.  TO VICE  PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBER  CHAVEZ.  WE HAD ALLOCATED  $250,000 FOR OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR.  AND DO WE WERE SEEKING TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN  HARMON PLACE.  ANOTHER 250,000,  $500,000 AND $500,000 IN UPTOWN. >> HOW MUCH IS BEING ALLOCATED  IN THE CURRENT --  >> 200,000.  OF.   >> IT'S 250,000?   >> YEP, YEP.   >> OKAY.  >> THAT IS INCORRECT -- >> IT'S A TOTAL O HOW MUCH FOR  VIBRANT -- FOR THE WHOLE THING.  >> 1 U$1,250,000.   >> THAT'S RIGHT WE DON'T FROM  $250,000 TO 1.2.   >> TO THIS AMENDMENT THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD REDUCE IT TO?   >> YOU WOULD REDUCE IT BY  $250,000.   >> SO IT'S FILLED.  WE'RE FINE.  IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY.  I  SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.  I JUST  WANT US TO UNDERSTAND HERE THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE  COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI GOT TO WORK ON THIS TOGETHER A I DO  APPRECIATE THAMENDMENT AND I THK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS IS A  COMMUNITIES -- APPRECIATE THIS  AMENDMENT AND I THINK IT'S  IMPORTANT TO IDENTIFY THIS IN  THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S GOING TO  BE A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY.        ONE THING I DO KNOW FOR  FOLKS ON LAKE STREET -- I  REPRESENT A LOT OF FOLKS ON  LAKE STREET AND I GET REACHED  OUT BY THE LATINO COMMUNITY IN  THIS CITY BECAUSE I'M THE LATINO AS WELL AS COUNCIL MEMBER  ELLISON AND THEY REACH OUT TO ME IN THE CITY AND I'M PROUD TO  SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALSO GOING TO PART OF THE CITY IN A  DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY AND   SEEM LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE  MUCH OF AN IMPACT.  THERE  MONEY THERE NEXT YEAR.  THANK  YOU.   >> THANK YOU, WITTHAT,  COLLEAGUES, THE AMENDMENT NO. 37 OFFERED BY -- BY VICE-CHAIR  KOSKI IS BEFORE US.  I WILL ASKS THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON  THE LATINO CULTURAL DESTINATION  AMENDMENT.   (ROLL CALL.)  >> THERE ARE 8 AYES D 5 NAYS.  >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.   AMENDMENT NO. 38 IS OFFERED BY  COUNCIL MEMBERS CHAVEZ AND  ELLISON.  A REVISED VERSION OF  THIS -- A REVISED VERSIONF THE PROPOSAL WAS BROUGHT FORWARD  YESTERDAY IN THE PACKET OF  CHANGES.  THE MOTION REMAINS THE SAME SO WITH THAT I WILL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ  APPROVAL OF YOUR AMENDMENT.   >> THANK YOU, COUNL VICE  PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI.  THIS IS  BROUGHT BY ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. T ENSURES LATINO  STAYS IT WASN'T IN THE MAYOR'S  BUDGET AND WE'RE MAKING IT  ONGOING AND I MADE CHANGES TO A  DESCRIPTIONO ENSURE THAT THERE ISN'T AN IMPACT TO BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK.  THE MEMO SAID  THAT THIS COULD LITERALLY  TECHNICALLY CUT SOME OF THE  BLACK BUSINESS FUNDING WEEK.  WE WANT TO KEEP BLACK BUSINESS WEEK AT 70,000 AND WE DO NOT WANT TO  PIT OUR COMMUNITIES OF TOGETHER. I'M SAYING THIS OUT LOUD BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEGISLATI INTENT  AND THAT'S IN THE NEW REVISED  MOTION ON THE DESCRIPTION.  SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WE  SHOULD NOT BE PUTTING  COMMUNITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER.  >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ HAS  MOVED APPROVAL TO THIS ITEM.  IS THERE A SECOND?  THAT ITEM HAS  BEEN -- AMENDMENT NO. 38 AS  REVISED HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED  AND SECONDED IS THERE ANY  DISCUSSION OR SUGGESTIONS FROM  THE BODY?  I WILL RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO?   >> MADAM CHAIR, I SEE IN THIS  PACKET THAT IT'S OUTLINED IN  GREEN WHICH MEANS WE HAVE A NEW  ONE HERE IN THIS PACKET BUT ALL  I HAVE IN MY PACKET IS THE  BUDGET PROPOSAL PART OF IT?   SO -- >> THAT'S CORRECT.   >> THAT IS CORRECT.   >> YES.   >> AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY  A REVISION TO THE PROPOSAL.  THE MOTION REMAINS THE SAME AS  WHAT'S IN YOUR BINDER.   >> SO THEN A QUESTION FOR THE  AUTHOR:  WAS THIS ANSWERING  ORIGINAL SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT  GOT CHANGED?  HOW IS IT NOT  MEANT TO -- IF IT'S TAKING FROM  THIS FUND, HOW IS IT NOT MEANT  TO SOMEHOW DIMINISH BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK?   >> SO THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION SAID THAT IF -- IN THEIR MOST OF THEM THAT THIS COULD IMPACT  BLACK BUSINESS WEEK OR I BELIEVE VTAP SERVICES.  I DO NOT WANT TO IMPACT BLACK BUSINESS WEEK  THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION.  I  HOPEHAT'S NOT THE MAYOR'S  INTENTION TO PUT COMMUNITIES  AGAINST EACH OTHER.  AND I WROTE IN THE REVISED EMOTION THAT IT  SHOULD NOT IMPACT BLACK BUSINESS WEEK AT ALL.        INITIALLY IF YOU REMEMBER  COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO I MADE  AN AMENDMENT LAST YEAR AT  $30,000 BECAUSE THAT'S HOW BLACK BUSINESS WEEK STARTED.  THERE IS ONGOING FUNDING IN THE BUDGE  FOR $70,000 FOR BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK.  THIS YEAR WE WANTED TO  BRING IT TO PARITY WITH BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK SO THERE'S $70,00 BOTH FOR LATINO BUSINESS WEEK  AND $70,000 FOR BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK IN THE MOST OF THEM HE SAID HE BELIEVED IT WOULD IMPACT VTAP BUSINESS SERVICES OR THE  COMMUNITIES TO SPLIT COSTS I DO  NOT DO NOT WANT TO IMPACT BLACK  BUSINESS WEE  I THINK IT'S  UNFAIR TO PIT COMMUNITIES  AGAINST EACH OTHER.  AND BOTH  PROGRAMS SHOULD BE FUNDED A  ANSWERING EQUITABLE AMOUNT -- AN EQUITABLE AMOUNT.  >> THANK YOU  BLOWS MY MIND HOW CAN YOU  ENTERTAIN AN AMENDMENT WITHOUT A SOURCE IF YOU SAY -- YOUR INTENT IS NOT TO IMPACT BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK BUT YOU'RE GOING TO USE  THAT SAME MONEY, WHY DO WHAT  WE'RE DOING ON ALL THE OTHER  AMENDMENTS TO FIND SOURCES IF  YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SAY:  WE'RE GOING TO APPROPRIATE THIS MONEY  BUT DON'T IMPACT ALL THE THINGS  YOU'RE ALREADY DOING?  DOESN'T  THAT ALREADY TAKE FUNDS.   >> IF WE'RE GOING TO -- WE  EMAILED BELOW THE SHE SAID IT'S  UNLIKELY THAT THE MAYOR'S  ADMINISTRATION WILL TAKE FUNDING AWAY FROM BLACK BUSINESS WEEK  BUT, DIRECTOR, WE TALKED OVER  THIS AT EMAIL AND PLEASE SAY  THAT AND CONFIRM IT.  I'M HAPPY  TO CHANGE THE AMENDMENT TO  ENSURE THAT BLACK BUSINESS WEEK  ISN'T IMPACTED I THINK IT'S  UNFAIR IWOULD EVEN BE A  CONSIDERATION THAT BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK WOULD BE IMPACTED  WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE  WITH THIS PROGRAM.  I THINK IT'S JUST WRONG.   >> I'D BE HAPPY TO USE M TIME  TO HEAR THE BUDGET DIRECTOR SAY  WHATEVER IT IS SHE MIGHT WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT.   >> WELCOME BACK, DIRECTOR.   >> THANK YOU, CHAIR CHUGHTAI.        A COUPLE THGS.  SO THE  EMAIL THAT I EXCHANGED WITH COU  OPINING, WHICH IS, I GUESS, NOT  SOMETHING I SHOULD DO IN THE  FUTURE BUT I DO KNOW BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK IS IMPORTANT TO  THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND IT  DOESN'T SEEM LIKE TO ME YOU BUT  WE NEED TO ASK CPED HOW THEY  WOULD HANDLE IT BUT I DON'T  THIN IT'S ENFORCEABLE IN THE  NARRATIVE THAT IT DOES INDICATE  THAT'S THE LEGISLATIVE INTENTS  BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S  ENFORCEABLE TO SAY THAT CPED  CAN'T MAKE THAT CHOICE.        I DID ALSO JUST WANT TO  NOTE IT'S $100,000 ONGOING FOR  BLACK BUSINESS WEEK.  THAWAS A CHANGE IN THE 2024 BUDGET.   >> SO THEN A QUESTION FOR THE  AUTHORS IS $100,000 ONGOING  FOR -- FOR BUSINESS WEEKS FOR  HIGHLIGHTING DIFFERENT GROUPS  WITHIN OUR CITY AND OF THAT  $1,000 ONGOING YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE $70,000 OF IT ONGOING AND  EARMARK IT FOR LATINO BUSINESS  WEEK WITHOUT ANY CUTS TO BLACK  BUSINESS WEEK?  THAT'S YOUR  INTENT?   >> SO TO BE CLEAR THE MAYOR'S  ADMINISTRATION DID NOT ADD  LATINO BUSINESS WEEK INTO HIS  PROPOSAL.   >> SURE, AND I RESPECT YOUR  INTEREST IN -- (TALKING SIMULTANEOUSLY.) >> WANTING TO ADD IT.   >>YES, SO WE ARE MAKING SURE  THAT LATINO BUSINESS WEEK IS NOW ADDED AND I TALKED TO THE  MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF THEY CONFIRMED THEY DID NOT ADD  IT -- LATINO BUSINESS WEEK. Y  GOAL LAST YEAR WAS ADDING  $30,000 BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LATINO BUSESS WEEK  STARTED AT THE SAME LEVEL AS  BLACK BUSINESS WEEK.  WHEN HAVE  FIRST STARTED IELIEVE IT WAS  $30,000.  WHAT WE'RE DOING WE'RE MAKING SURE WE BRING IT UP TO  THE PARITY OF BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK OF $70,000.  I DID NOT KNOW THEY INCREASED IT I'M GLAD BLACK BUSINESS WEEK IS GOING TO BE GET $100,000.  I STILL WANT TO MAKE  SURE THE LATINO BUSINESS WEEK OF $70,000.  I WOULD BE HAPPY TO  MOVE IT TO $100,000 BECAUSE I  BELIEVE THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES  IT BUT THE GOAL IS I CAN MAKE A  NOT IMPACT BLACK BUSINESS WEEK  BUT IT'S UP TO THE DISCRETION OF CPED AND CPED THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK SAYING THEY WILL NOT IMPACT TO  IMPACTING BLACK BUSINESS WEEK  WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE BOTH OF  THESE, THEN IT SHOULD -- >> WELL, THEN -- I RESPECT YOUR  VIEWPOINT TO THAT IT SURE SEEMS  STRANGE YOU'RE TAKING THE  $30,000 AND ALLOCATING TO LATINO BUSINESS WEEK.   >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT.  THERE'S $100,000 FORCE BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK THERE'S NO MONEY FOR LATINO BUSINESS WEEK.  MAKE SURE  THERE'S $70,000 ONGOING 4 BUDGET SO WE -- FOR YOUR BUDGET SO WE  DO THIS HE TO COME BACK TO  CELEBRATE LATINO BUSINESS WEEK.  THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR LATINO  BUSINESS WEEK AND I HAVE PROOF  TO THAT BECAUSE I TALKED TO THE  MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATN AND THEY  TOLD ME THERE WAS NO MONEY FOR  LATINO BUSINESS WEEK AND I WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER AMENDMENT.   >> I'M STILL A LITTLE CONCERNED  OF THE SOURCE OF THIS FUNDS  DIRECTOR HANSON.  WHERE WOULD IT COME FROM IN YOUR BUDG?  IT  >> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE  QUESTION THROUGH THE CHAIR  COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO.  LAST  YEAR IN THE BUDGET, THE COUNCIL  APPROVED A DIRECTIVE OF  THIRD,000 -- A $30,000 OF LATIN BUSINESS WEEK WITHIN THE SMALL  BUSINESS TEAM.  THIS YEAR THE  DICTIVE IS $70,000.  THAT  WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM  SOMETHING WITHIN OUR SMALL  BUSINESS TEAM.  WE BELIEVE  THERE'S TWO PLACES TO GET THAT.  THE $100,000 WAS AN  APPROPRIATION IN THE MAYOR'S  BUDGET -- IT STARTED A 30 TO  COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ'S AND IT  WAS ADDED ANOTHER 70 SO IT'S  100.        THE REASON YOU SAW IN THE  MOST OF THEM IT POTENTIALLY --  THE BLACK BUSINE WEEK IS WE  HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE BUSINESS OF THE TEAM.  LAST YEAR WE SPENT ABOUT 60-SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS  ON BLACK BUSINESS WEEK SO  THERE'S A BALANCE IN THAT FUND.  THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT  AUGMENT.  WE WOULDN'T KW HOW  MUCH WE SPEND IN BLACK BUSINESS  WEEK BECAUSE IT HAPPENS EARLIER  IN THE YEAR THAN LATINO BUSINESS WEEK, OTHERWISE, IT WOULD HAVE  AN IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS  TECHNICAL SYSTEMS AND OTHER  ACTIONS THAT HAPPEN T OF THE  SMALL BUSINESS TEAM ALREADY.   >> SO       NEXT I WILL RECOGNIZE  UNCIL MEMBER ELLISON.  PERHAPS BEFORE WE DO THAT, I THINK IT  WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL OF US  TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN AND WHAT AL-- WHAT I  IS GOING TO CUT AND NOT CHUT  AMENDMENT EARMARKS $70,000  WITHIN THE CPED DEPARTMENT'S IT  PLANNED EXPENDITURES.  BUT THERE ARE 27 MILLION OTHER DOLLARS TO  TRY TO FIND $70,000 WITHIN.        WITH THAT COUNCIL MBER  ELLISON?   >> I WAS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO  SAY THE AMENDMENT IS ASKG CPED TO CREATE A LINE ITEM IN THE  SAME VEIN A LOT OF  ATTENTION AND A LOT OF US CARE  ABOUT BLACK BUSINESS WEEK AND WE WANT -- AND I THINK TO ME AND  COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ'S POINT IS THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE  TWO PROGRAMSOMPETING WITH ONE  ANOTHE       I'LL CONTINUE BUT FIRST TO  RESPOND TO COUNCIL  >> JUST MAKE THE CUT.  YOU HAVE  SO MUCH MONEY, JUST MAKE A CUT  WITHOUT -- AND THEN BEING ABLE  TO REACT OH, GOSH NOT THAT ONE.  THE SMALL BUSINESS TEAM OF OUR  CITY IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT  RESOURCE TO SMALL BUSINESSES.   WE'VE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN  ESPECIALLY THESE LAST COUPLE OF  MONTHS ABOUT HOW SMALL BUSINESS  OWNERS IN OUR CITYEED HELP.   AND THIS IS OUR ROLL ON  AMENDMENT NO. 38.   (ROLL CALL.)  >> THERE ARE 12 AYES AND 1 NAY.  >> THAT MOTION COLLEAGUES.  --  THAT AMENDMENT CARRIES.        LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET  THROUGH AMENDMENT NO. 38.  THIS  IS TECHNICAL PROGRAM AMENDMENT  BY COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON EL AND MYSELF.  COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON  AMENDMEN38.   >> THANK YOU THIS IS TO PUT  350,000 INTO OUR TDAPROGRAM I'M  TO STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS BUT  THAT'S THE NUTS AND BOLTS.  I  HOPE FOLKS -- YEAH I'M HAPPY -- HAPPY TO SPEAK TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON EL HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.  IS THERE A SECOND.   >> SECOND.   >> THAT ITEM HAS BEEN PROPERLY  MOVED AND SECONDED.  AND WON'T   THIS AMENDMENT.        I GUESS MY MAIN CONCERN IS  THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE  FROM THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE USING THIS SOURCE AND SO IN ORDER TO   JOHNSON COME IN FRONT OF THE  COUNCIL AND  >> STAFF ARE ALL WRONG.  WE  ALREADY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO  CONTINUE THIS WORK. HIS IS NOT NEEDED.  THE USE OF THE DOWNTOWN ASSETS FUND IS  INCREASE TO  OUR SPENDING AND AN INCREASE TO  OUR BUDGET.        THE DOWNTOWN ASSETS FUND IS TO MAINTAIN OUR CITY-OBSERVED OR CITY ENCUMBERED DOWNTOWN ASSETS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPER'S TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM BUT THIS MONEY ISN'T  NEEDED.  THESE ADDITIONAL FUNDS  ARE NOT NEEDED TO COMPLETE THAT  >> NEXT I WILL RECOGNIZE  COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE.  GO  AHEAD.    THANK YOU.  AND  COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, I'LL BE  HAPPY TO CO-AUTHOR THAT  LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE WITH YOU.  SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING  MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE  DOWNTOWN ASSETS FUND AND  COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON EL, IO  APPRECIATE I  CONCUR TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES  REMARKS ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN  ASSETS FUND AND I FIND IT  SOMEWHAT CONFUSING AND -- THAT  WE JUST LITERALLY SAID CPED GO  FIND $75,000 AND NOW WE'RE NOW  TRYING TO APPROPRIATE ANOTHER  $350,000.  IT KIND OF BOGGLES MY BRAIN BUT... THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  DOING.   >> AND THEN FINANCING I'LL  RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON EL.   >> I WOULD AUE 50,000 AND  70,000 ARE NOT THE SAME AMOUNTS. WHY SOMEONE NEEDED SOME  DISTINCTION.  AND THE OTHER  THING I WOULD SAY -- UNLESS I'M  CONFUSED I -- I FELT -- I  THOUGHT WE GOT INFORMATION THAT  THIS IS NOT FUNDED THIS YEAR AND IF I'M MISTAKEN I'M HAPPY TO  HEAR THAT AND CHANGE DIRECTION  ON THIS.   >> DIRECTOR JOHNSON?   >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, OF THE ST  WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON A  DIFFERENT SOURCE OR TO CHANGE OF DIRECTION ON THIS ITEM?   >> IT SOUNDS LIKE -- I THINK --  I THINK WE ARE READY TO CALL THE ROLL I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE  HOPPING IN ROLL, SO MR. CLERK  WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL ON  REVISED ITEM NO. 39.   (ROLL CALL.)  >> THERE'S 7 AYES AND 6 NAYS.   >> THAT MOTION CARRIES.  WITH  THAT, COLLEAGUES, WE WILL --  WITH NO OBJECTION, WE WILL  ADJOURN THIS MEETING TO 2:30 PM  THIS AFTERNOON.  THANK YOU.