##VIDEO ID:https://videoplayer.telvue.com/player/994DtmGEsi0VDYK3jJI2BJ72GfgNIpU2/media/921544?autostart=false&showtabssearch=true&fullscreen=false## <v Speaker 1>I just heard back from Jason. He's in Dallas.</v> <v Speaker 2>Oh</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, alright, this looks like it.</v> We're gonna go with three. I'm gonna go outta order here because the variance, it can't go. It won't go. Even if you had three votes, it wouldn't be enough. So let's, we'll take that one first and let you get outta here. Alright, so that's gonna go Before we go, before we start, I wanna apologize and now I'll say we have a public speaking portion of the evening. Before we get to the agenda, any individual may raise an issue that is not included on the agenda. It will be taken under advisement by the board. There's no opportunity for debate during this portion of the meeting. This section of the agenda is limited to 15 minutes and any individual addressing the board during this section of the agenda shall be limited to five minutes. Does anybody wish to talk about anything that's not on the agenda? Okay. Hearing none then we'll go out of order and take public hearing for 25 Hillcrest Avenue. An application for Joanie Shehu for a variance per MGL chapter 40 a section and section 10, I'm sorry, MGL 40 a section 10 of the Mass Zoning Act and section four B and 5 82 of the Natick zoning bylaws. The project is for the construction of a single family dwelling on a non-conforming law shown on the plan submitted. So, do we have counsel? Is that yours? 25 Hillcrest. Okay, so let's go ahead and what cont open it, open the public hearing, open it and continue it without <v Speaker 2>Testimony.</v> <v Speaker 1>Good. Okay. And again, we're sorry about that.</v> So let's, let's go ahead, just do a, a, a motion to continue it to January 27th. 27th. Did <v Speaker 2>We continue the case till January 27th?</v> Second. <v Speaker 1>Okay. All those in favor? Okay.</v> We'll see you on the, we'll see on the 27th. Okay. <v Speaker 2>Fair enough. Thank you. Thank you.</v> Thanks for taking it outta order. Appreciate it. Okay, <v Speaker 1>So if you're here on 25 Hillcrest,</v> you're welcome to stay, but that, that case is being continued to January 27th. I lost my opinion One more time. Is that a variance too? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, here we go. So we, we also have, oh, here we <v Speaker 2>Go.</v> <v Speaker 1>I lost my pen. Okay, bye.</v> <v Speaker 2>Maybe we should, I lost my phone.</v> If we get up and talk, present our project and only two say yes, then what happens? <v Speaker 3>We can, we can talk about it when we Oh, okay.</v> Call you and you get, you'll get to decide <v Speaker 4>How you want to go about it. Thank you.</v> <v Speaker 1>We're gonna, I lost my</v> <v Speaker 4>Pen.</v> You, you won't get like, one <v Speaker 5>Quick question on that.</v> The 27th will be six 30 also. <v Speaker 1>Yes. Correct. Alright, thank you very much. Thank you.</v> Yeah. Did you have an No, do you have an extra? That's fine. I had one. Alright, thank you very much. Okay. I shouldn't have skipped the first one. I didn't realize it was a variance. The continuation of public hearing for five Scarsdale Road. Do we have someone here for five Scarsdale? Do you have the same problem? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have skipped you. No. So this is for a finding and a variance. I saw the finding for chapter 48, section six and 10, and the zoning bylaws four B and five a proposed to construct a two car garage and the previously nonconform law showing the plan submitted Same deal. Yeah. So we're gonna go ahead and continue that to January 27th. But are we running, 'cause this is a second continuance. Are we running up against the constructive grant here? Yes. So we're gonna have you, we don't really have a choice here. We're gonna have to have you sign some forms, allowing the continuance and so that there's no constructive grant. You're gonna do it by, by agreement. Okay. Okay. Yep. We're foisting this upon you. I understand, but we are, we're stuck with it. Yeah, no. So you're gonna follow up with peg and she'll help you with that. In the meantime, motion to continue to January 27th to <v Speaker 6>Continue five scars, Dale, till January 27th.</v> <v Speaker 1>Second. Second. All those in favor? Sorry about this guys.</v> No, see you on the 27th. Thank you <v Speaker 4>Very much.</v> 27th. Okay. Follow up. Right, right. <v Speaker 1>Okay. Okay.</v> Get your water Public hearing for 35 Walnut Street and application of Alyssa and Todd. Ante for re finding per chapter four, a section six, and then zoning bylaws four B and five A projects for an addition on the rear of the property as shown on the plan. Submitted. Come on up. Hello there. How are you? How are you? Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Okay, so let me just take a peek at this for a moment. So you're saying this was relief you had obtained, you didn't do the project, it expired and now you're gonna It's essentially the same plan. <v Speaker 4>We're actually taking less though. It's a smaller version.</v> We were allowed to take two corners last time. The building costs have gone up. We had two builders run away with our deposit, deposit, deposit. And we have a, the range in our breakfast nook, the oven waiting to be installed. Yeah. Geez. And the building costs have gone up. So we've scaled back. Yeah. So it's a more limited scope, less work, less addition. Okay. Smaller. <v Speaker 1>Alright, so let's just find out who's here.</v> Is anybody here on 35 Walnut? Okay. Alright, so let me just take a peek. Did we put in the, do you remember filling out the zoning chart for this one? We did. You did. I should <v Speaker 7>Correct the front.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't see it</v> <v Speaker 7>Probably</v> right after the application. <v Speaker 1>Let's see.</v> <v Speaker 7>Alright,</v> <v Speaker 1>Here we go. So lemme see.</v> It's not there. 12,000. So the lot area's not there. The front is is not there. The depth is not there. The front's good. The sides non-conforming will remain. So the other side's conforming will remain. So, and we have the rear yard is non-conforming and will become a slightly more non-conforming. The coverage is non-conforming and will become a slightly more non-conforming the height's. Good. And not changing the height then, right? No. Okay. Okay. Alright. So, yep, here we go. And I don't know that we necessarily need to see how it's different than, than the original project. I think we'll just take, it can <v Speaker 7>Explain it quickly.</v> <v Speaker 1>Sorry, I, I don't think you need to. Okay.</v> My for now it's, it's <v Speaker 7>Less than half.</v> It's one corner instead of both corners. <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 7>You have the site?</v> <v Speaker 1>I do. Yeah, it's right here.</v> You got it? <v Speaker 7>I read this stuff.</v> I like to look at them on monitor. I can blow them up. Is this <v Speaker 1>Existing?</v> Yeah. Let's see if there's a jump, right? The architecturals, do you know if there is, if you submitted a site plan showing the proposed it's, I don't see it. I I only have the existing Yeah. <v Speaker 7>Site plan. I have the framing plan.</v> There's elevations too. <v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see the elevations. I just wanted to see. Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 7>There's the original plot plan</v> and then there's a plot plan with the, <v Speaker 1>It's not in here.</v> Oh. Oh, there it's okay. Do you have another one there? No, let's look at 'em together. Alright, come on. We'll just squeeze in here. <v Speaker 7>We'll we'll share. Alright,</v> <v Speaker 1>Snuggle up.</v> That's it in the corner. Yep. Eight foot <v Speaker 7>Eight by five. Eight</v> <v Speaker 1>By five.</v> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Motion <v Speaker 6>Move that we approve the application for 35</v> Walnut Street sitting as the addition is very small and not substantially more detrimental in the existing structure. <v Speaker 1>And also that it be built in</v> <v Speaker 6>Tilt in conformance with letters</v> and substantially in accordance with the plans in subject to any of the letters from the town engineering or health. <v Speaker 1>Second. Second. All those in favor? You're all set.</v> <v Speaker 7>Thank</v> <v Speaker 1>You. Okay. Good luck. Thank you. Good morning.</v> And wait twice burned, <v Speaker 7>John. Thank</v> <v Speaker 1>You.</v> Okay. See you later. Thank <v Speaker 7>You.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay, the next matter is public hearing</v> for 2 36 North Main Street and application of Nazer Zaher. I'm sorry for a finding for MGL Chapter 48, section six zoning bylaws four B and five A. The project is for an addition on the rear of the property as shown the plan submitted. Love. Did I, was I close on the name? Get the <v Speaker 7>Name right?</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay,</v> <v Speaker 7>Fantastic. You hesitated but you got it.</v> <v Speaker 1>I got it. Okay, fair enough.</v> Okay, let me take a look at Jerry's here for a moment. <v Speaker 7>We north, is this north main street?</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. 2 36 North Main.</v> Okay, so you're short on the lot. Your frontage is short, your depth is good. Your front's good. Your side's good? Your other side's good? Your rears good. Your coverage is good and your height is good. So this is lot and frontage. And let's take a look here. Mike, you wanna just take a peek at the height for a second while, while you're doing that? And so a second four. Second four is, so it's on the existing foundation so no grade changes? No. No. Okay. <v Speaker 6>I think there's an addition.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 8>It's an addition.</v> But the existing foundation <v Speaker 1>Oh, off the, yeah, off the, off</v> <v Speaker 6>The rear In</v> <v Speaker 1>The back.</v> In the back. Okay. Two story <v Speaker 6>Edition.</v> <v Speaker 1>Hold on a second. Take a look at this.</v> <v Speaker 8>See this</v> <v Speaker 7>Is that</v> you're adding a second story <v Speaker 8>To the existing Yeah, above the existing structure and</v> <v Speaker 7>Then</v> <v Speaker 8>Also in the, and then one story backwards.</v> This? <v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it goes up to two stories here and adds a</v> <v Speaker 8>Oh, yep.</v> <v Speaker 3>So there's a, a big new foundation in the back</v> that you go single story over. Yes. And then you go up two, two stories on that <v Speaker 8>Existing front.</v> One additional, but Yeah. Yeah. In total two <v Speaker 3>Total.</v> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. <v Speaker 7>So</v> <v Speaker 3>It'll be a ridge height on the,</v> on the front of the building. Yes. You have that height calculated from, we have that average grade, I don't see it. <v Speaker 8>28, 28</v> <v Speaker 9>Feet, four</v> <v Speaker 7>Inch,</v> <v Speaker 9>28 feet. Four inch.</v> <v Speaker 3>Yeah. 28 4. It looks like it's just from,</v> not from average grade. Right. That's just from one spot location. <v Speaker 8>Everything at the front would be the same grade.</v> It starts the, the hill starts after the preexisting structure. <v Speaker 3>Right. But you do have grade changes around the perimeter</v> <v Speaker 8>Of on the whole lot. Your house, right?</v> <v Speaker 3>Yeah. So we have to calculate the height based on,</v> <v Speaker 8>Based on average of that</v> <v Speaker 3>Grade.</v> Right. 'cause you can't be 28 feet from the highest point of the ground. Okay. And then if it slopes way down, then we end up with a, a super tall building in the back. I, we have to know <v Speaker 8>Okay, the</v> <v Speaker 9>How is cap might not answer</v> any of this, but Sure. But 28 4 would be the, the highest it would be at all. Because in the back is just a two car garage addition that's lower and it slopes from back, <v Speaker 8>From front to back.</v> I think he's talking about how much this peak is from the lowest part of the ground. Right. So it's possible we can figure it out. <v Speaker 3>Highest point of the height,</v> highest point of the house from, <v Speaker 8>I think we can maybe get</v> <v Speaker 7>This out.</v> Yeah, <v Speaker 8>Maybe not.</v> Oh wait here concrete. Because we can take the difference between, oh no, this doesn't have lengths. So <v Speaker 7>He is even less than 28.</v> So on the left, wait, the last page? Yeah, <v Speaker 6>We, we, we,</v> <v Speaker 8>If we pull up the survey,</v> that would have all that right? Because we can take the, we can calculate it. <v Speaker 6>That's actually four, that's the pitch. Is that four?</v> Yeah. So let's call it five just for fun. 2126 plus, you know, another flight. <v Speaker 8>I know we're good because the house</v> to the left is 10. This is the, the <v Speaker 6>Survey</v> <v Speaker 9>Wouldn't tell</v> <v Speaker 6>Us from two.</v> <v Speaker 8>So maybe these numbers tell us something</v> because that's like the lowest. So this is a difference of like if this is a hundred, <v Speaker 6>But</v> <v Speaker 8>I'm not gonna argue with, it's not</v> eight. Saying like, <v Speaker 6>This is like</v> <v Speaker 8>30, the lowest at 95</v> and this is the highest at a hundred. So it max five feet and they said it's the average. So it's really like <v Speaker 1>Not 30.67.</v> <v Speaker 8>It's really like 98 or something.</v> <v Speaker 1>30 fives required max 35, he's got 30.67.</v> <v Speaker 6>That's, we could</v> <v Speaker 3>Just, we could, you know,</v> you don't have the number on here, but we could put it in the, we calculated. Okay. <v Speaker 8>Yeah. From what we can see. And it</v> looks like we just did some too. And it seems to be, yeah, <v Speaker 1>You should be in good shape.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah. Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 1>At</v> <v Speaker 3>30 we have to put something in there.</v> So we could, like on the, on the chart you have 30 foot, <v Speaker 1>30.67,</v> <v Speaker 8>Whatever you would advise honestly.</v> <v Speaker 9>Well we had the, the land mapping</v> that did the survey work, they did that, that for him. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>Those numbers, that's the number You're gonna be stuck.</v> <v Speaker 9>So those are like, you know,</v> <v Speaker 3>31, no higher than 31 or something. There was a</v> <v Speaker 9>Lot of, you know,</v> before the plans were done, we had the do the drawing stopped through, made sure things were aligned as best as possible. And the, the survey guy had the same instructions, which is why he had him do the, the application numbers for this. So it would be accurate as possible. Yeah, <v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.</v> That that's fine. What we're looking for typically is spot grades around the exterior. Then, then the surveyor does the, determines what the average grade is measures from the average grade to the highest point on the peak. Okay. That gives you the so-called height. Right. <v Speaker 8>Got it.</v> <v Speaker 1>And in this case, the number's 30.67</v> as indicated here, but it's just that we don't have the data. Right. Yeah. So, but we were able to, to see based on the plans that are included, that you are likely less than that. So we're gonna fix it at 30.67. Okay. <v Speaker 8>Just can't if see that, if that works. Yeah.</v> Yeah. Thank you. Okay. <v Speaker 6>Alright.</v> <v Speaker 1>Anybody have any questions about</v> what's, what's happening here? Is anybody here? He just <v Speaker 3>Put it at like 30 30 30.</v> You a little wiggle room case <v Speaker 6>This slope a little bit down.</v> <v Speaker 1>Alright. We can figure out,</v> is anybody here to talk about this? This matter at 2 36 North Main Street? Yeah. <v Speaker 10>We live in the neighborhood. Couple questions.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Where abuts Come on up. Come on up.</v> Just we'll have you give one at a time and we'll have you give your No no, you can go first. You're right there. Give your name and address for the record and then we're happy to, <v Speaker 10>My name's Nick Lunta six running Book Circle.</v> Been there 40 years. Our concerns are the previous owners used to enter their property from running Book circle. There's an easement there. They took the curbs out and went through the side on running work circle to go into their backyard and they used to put vehicles and metal containers back there. We're, we're concerned about not the building. We're we're, we're gladly see a nice new building there compared to what it is now. Our concern is the entrance that they don't use Running Brook Circle, which there is an easement there on the left side of the house. Is <v Speaker 1>Is there a curb cut? Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 10>They, they took the curb out.</v> <v Speaker 3>Previous owners.</v> <v Speaker 10>Yeah, yeah, yeah.</v> And they used to leave the trucks there. <v Speaker 1>Sure, sure. It was a pain.</v> The the driveway in this case is right here on the left side front. Yeah. It's, and so <v Speaker 10>Do you see a water easement there?</v> <v Speaker 1>I I'm not seeing it.</v> <v Speaker 3>I think like it shows the curb</v> that shows the fence turned in. Looks like where they come in. It doesn't show you can ask the applicant. <v Speaker 1>It's correct.</v> It's matter of fact, the <v Speaker 10>Previous owner cut down all those trees</v> and he had to replace 'em probably about roughly 20 years ago. <v Speaker 1>Oh boy. Let me ask you,</v> you folks wouldn't have any objection to putting that curb back in, would you? <v Speaker 8>I mean, I did plan to continue Z driveway</v> and have a second entrance just so people can drive through instead of awkwardly, you know, shuffling their cars. But I mean, there's no plan to, to leave, you know, trucks on the, on the curb and disturb, disturb you guys in any way. <v Speaker 10>But you would enter or exit on running book circle.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah, I mean sometimes</v> 'cause it's a, it's a slim driveway, so backing out onto North Main Street can be difficult. It's just a little easier to continue around and then enter North main Street from the front <v Speaker 1>That's not shown.</v> <v Speaker 3>The driveway. Your, the proposed driveway on running Brook</v> isn't shown on the, that's there Right. Unless I'm, <v Speaker 8>Lemme see if this is the plans.</v> You guys have the one with the survey and everything shown. It's just the existing structure. <v Speaker 9>It wasn't</v> <v Speaker 1>Come</v> and take a look at this just so where we're <v Speaker 8>Come take a look at where you just</v> <v Speaker 9>Leave it the way it is not to do anything, but</v> <v Speaker 3>We have the proposed</v> <v Speaker 8>Okay. So you have it all.</v> <v Speaker 3>Yep. So you're saying he, he's saying</v> that the old owner used to drive in here right? Part all sorts of stuff, which you're not gonna put containers and trucks there. No. You are hoping to pave this. <v Speaker 8>I'm hoping to pave it. So this will be a garage here</v> and the driveway's closer to here. So I would like to be able to leave here. That's <v Speaker 3>Not shown.</v> Yeah, this is shown the driveway here, right? <v Speaker 8>Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 3>This may, yeah.</v> <v Speaker 8>So I guess the driveway isn't, isn't shown</v> <v Speaker 3>In.</v> Yeah, that would definitely have to be accurate on something that we would approve as the, as the driveway location. <v Speaker 8>Is it possible to continue with just getting this approved</v> and then make a separate application for just the <v Speaker 1>No, no.</v> It's just, it it, they're all, it's one project. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I'll tell you what, let, let, let's continue to hear from these folks and then you'll have an opportunity to, to address anything else that you have besides that issue. <v Speaker 10>No. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>No.</v> <v Speaker 10>Do you see the easement, the</v> <v Speaker 3>Water easement there? We don't</v> <v Speaker 1>See the easement, but we also don't see the driveway.</v> So I, I can tell you that, that that we won't be voting on this project Yeah. To approve a driveway that goes into Running Brook. 'cause it's not shown. Okay. But to be fair, we're gonna give 'em an opportunity to amend the plans. Absolutely. But they'll also have an opportunity to have a discussion with you. Yeah, absolutely. See and see where this thing comes out. Yeah. But let's, let's see what, what your neighbor has to say and we'll, we'll have that conversation. Yeah, no problem. Thanks very much. And just your name and address for the record, if you would. Good <v Speaker 10>Thing Ed Dino at, for running Brooks Circle.</v> So I, I've been there now for going on five years as an owner with my wife Dana. She's, she actually lived in the home and owned the home since I believe oh six. <v Speaker 1>The home you're in or the,</v> <v Speaker 10>That we're in, we, we,</v> we got married in the last couple of years. So this, the concern is similar to Nick's where my wife is very concerned with one, the fact that it was never repaired, the curbing. We, we don't wanna see a driveway there with the neighbors. We do want to see the work that they're doing. So far it's, it's been great. There hasn't been any difficulty or, or noise, any concern like that. On a side note, some of our concerns are, are mainly with the DOT in the city because right now we don't even have proper drainage in running Brooks Circle. I had one of your engineers come out to be able to address that and it will be addressed in the springtime. So we've had a lot of damage with the trucks and a lot of trees are gone now from the 27th side, including running Brooks. So that's what we, that's what we lie, we do wanna see them build a beautiful home there. I I, I fully followed and tracked with you on the sloping. The sloping is way in the back. No concerns there. If they build a larger building, that's, that's just gonna be even better for property values. So we're, we're good with the construction. <v Speaker 1>Okay. Well I'm not sure that,</v> I think transportation is going to have a look at this. Did they weigh in at all on that second curb cut? Is that an unlawful curb cut? Yes, that's <v Speaker 11>One one.</v> This guy's an easement. Yeah, I'm saying the guy just cut <v Speaker 10>In.</v> <v Speaker 11>The guy did it himself. Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 10>Yeah. Since I've been there</v> <v Speaker 12>On the GIS system,</v> there isn't an easement. There is not. No, <v Speaker 1>There is or is not.</v> Is not, is not well easement or not. We didn't mention it <v Speaker 11>'cause it's not on the plans. Yeah, it's,</v> <v Speaker 12>Yeah,</v> <v Speaker 11>It's not showing the driving moving over there.</v> <v Speaker 1>What's between the, the lot ends here</v> and the edge of pavement is, is here. Then there's this big gap between the roads. Grass. Yeah, trees. Okay. Yeah. <v Speaker 11>See the trees, it would look like it was</v> part of that house lot. But it's actually exactly. That's when you had it. I've been there 40 years. Yeah. I was the first house there and they cut him down. He said he was gonna cut him down and he that for parking and they go, well the town found out about it and they find him, made him put trees up and, and did it that way. There was a manhole where he cut it that there's an easement where the manhole is now that goes through his yard into my backyard into the brook. So there's a little more behind this than just cutting the curb. But that, that manhole goes through his yard into my yard back. Yeah. Into the brook. There's so manhole. Yeah. There's a little more behind it. Yeah. Okay. So I mean when Catholic bought Catholic built that development, we walked through with the town where the easements were. 'cause there's a water easement from the pumping station behind Theo's Pizza. Okay. Alright. So I I've seen this. Yeah. Yeah. We just want to make sure that it's all taken care of. It. That's the problem with cutting the curb is there's a manhole there too. Yeah. So where is the rain? Rainwater gonna go in my backyard. Alright. That's the way the easement works. It goes in the manhole through his yard into my backyard, which no one knows unless you walk in. Yeah. So anyhow, <v Speaker 10>That's all I have.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. Thanks very much. So</v> I do see that on the plan now it shows average natural grade around existing building. 97, 86. Oh okay. Yeah. Perfect. Right here. But then, but they're not getting, we're not getting an elevation at the top of the peak though. Right. <v Speaker 3>But at least someone calculated the</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah, but a mass should be done from that.</v> Right? 97 86 <v Speaker 3>Coming back anyhow. Yeah, yeah,</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 6>Well you can also tell top right, it's not,</v> it's not showing, it doesn't, but if you look at the, the top <v Speaker 8>Of map here, why would right</v> <v Speaker 6>There, that's where we height 29 feet</v> from right that corner. <v Speaker 1>Oh, okay. 90. That 8 77 average is 97. 86.</v> <v Speaker 6>So it's a foot difference.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Foot. So here's what we're thinking guys.</v> I don't know that we have the authority, we don't have the authority to approve that second means of that curb cut there. Okay. That's something you're gonna have to talk about with transportation. Yeah. DPWI suspect that, that that's not gonna be permitted. I'm not sure if that changes your design. Can you get in the garage from the front? You go in and bang a right and go into your garage? <v Speaker 9>Yes,</v> <v Speaker 8>I think so. Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 9>It, it was always just gonna use like, it was more</v> of like a, maybe down the road he was gonna think, 'cause it, it was just existing how it was. But there is access or North Maine and then it'll just slope down and go into there into, so that's all that was gonna be done. <v Speaker 8>The realtor sold the house to me under the pitch</v> of cut the curb and change the address to running Brook Circle, which I didn't plan to do, but you know, this was, yeah, I got scammed a little bit before. Nice <v Speaker 1>Work.</v> <v Speaker 11>You know what? To be honest with you, we went over there</v> and looked at the house and told us the same thing. That's why we're here today. <v Speaker 8>Yeah, no, I mean I didn't plan to do that. But</v> <v Speaker 11>We are the same</v> <v Speaker 9>Thing, which is another reason why it's</v> not like a focal point of the plan of like contingent upon whether or not this is a curb cut or not. It's not changing anything to delay stuff. Now it would've been more of a next phase down the road if it were applicable. But that's why it's not like there wasn't a plan to like make a big paved thing. Yeah. It was just about getting 'em in the door. And it's been sort of a, <v Speaker 3>I would imagine if, if you,</v> if you did give up the curb cut and agreed to put it, you can't do it now, but agreed to put it back, it would probably, I would agree everyone's okay with the building, you know, so if you, you <v Speaker 6>Have a pretty substantial driveway on Main Street.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah. It's more about not having</v> to back into North Main Street. 'cause it can be, you know, busy. But I can find a way to, you know, it can be worth <v Speaker 6>Driveway 45 feet. You</v> <v Speaker 3>Can do a wide back easily.</v> <v Speaker 8>Yeah. It can be</v> <v Speaker 6>In that driveway.</v> <v Speaker 8>It's not make or break. Especially</v> <v Speaker 6>If you take the ramp out</v> <v Speaker 9>In a just innocent question</v> way, what would the harm have been if down the road, like let's say this was okay to have the curb cut there is because people aren't wanting to come out onto that other side road. Like what's the harm? Like if, if that was a, the <v Speaker 6>Harm the curb path.</v> Yeah. I think that it's the water management is what it's <v Speaker 1>Sounding like among, amongst other things though.</v> You, you know, you, you have to have permission from the town to Oh, for sure. To, to cut the curb. So I I don't think that was done here. <v Speaker 9>No, no, no. It was just like a down the road.</v> If that were a, a question, was it just a matter of asking and seeing if it worked or <v Speaker 1>Don't?</v> I suspect you're gonna have to come back before the board for a modification of the existing relief and then you'll have to talk to transportation about that as well to see if it's lawful. But of course, well, another thing on these plans is that the board of health is indicating that they would like to see some infiltration because of the increase in impervious that is not shown the plans currently. Right. So let's see, could you clarify kind of what that means? Yeah. The project appears that it will not exceed the threshold of requiring minor storm water, but does fall within the aquifer recharge district. The applicant shall coordinate with the conservation agent to determine what requirements are needed due to their location in the, in the aquifer recharge district. It says here, so <v Speaker 3>There's, they're saying that they wanted</v> to put in a storm dry, well a storm water infiltration. So, <v Speaker 9>Well, what was interesting in the, in the notes was</v> it fell within the, it was fine the way it was, but it was thought to maybe considered doing it, but it wasn't a matter of it wouldn't be approved if it wasn't, it was worded very oddly. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. It says here the project appears</v> to significantly increase the impervious surface area. It is the recommendation of the board of health that some means of infiltration is provided to mitigate stormwater runoff if no means currently exists. Is that what you mean <v Speaker 3>Saying they wanted you to do it?</v> <v Speaker 9>Is that how, what date was that put in there?</v> <v Speaker 1>December 6th.</v> <v Speaker 9>Oh, that's a very newer,</v> that's very recent then. Okay. I, I was thinking about earlier in the, in the, there was one other, maybe like a few weeks earlier than that. There's not much in the portal, but it was just a matter of like, we don't think you need it, but maybe you should look at it. It was worded very, it it <v Speaker 3>Was just engineering comments on,</v> <v Speaker 9>I read it like six times health.</v> <v Speaker 3>Yeah. You pretty much always have to do it. Right? Yeah.</v> That's, that's where it's landing in most towns and here as well that you're either a PD or your, your aquifer protection district or increasingly impervious. <v Speaker 9>That's something that the, the, the survey engineers</v> that's in their scope of stuff that they know how to do. <v Speaker 1>Absolutely. They'll show it on the plans. We've</v> <v Speaker 9>Been very impressed with the, they've been great to work</v> with land mapping so that it's not an issue of, it was really just a confusion of what it meant. Yeah. So that was not, it wouldn't be a problem if that's what's really needed. <v Speaker 1>Okay, so now we're at, now now we're, we're here,</v> which is, I think we we're okay with the height, right? Yes. And everyone likes the building. Yes. And we have got the, if you'll agree, if you'll agree to dispense with this curb cut. Sure. You'll not be permitted to access the lot from Running Brook someday in the future. You might be able to manage that somehow. I <v Speaker 9>Can tackle that Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 1>Later. Yeah. And then you and,</v> and you'll install storm water, a storm water management system at, what is it? The cult tech or a Yeah. Then, then I think we could go to a vote tonight. Right? Agree. Agree. That's good <v Speaker 3>News.</v> But that's, that is with saying you'll put the curb back. <v Speaker 9>Sure. Yeah. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 3>Or you could keep, like if you, if you,</v> if you really wanted that access, you could put it on the plans and come back and, and we can all <v Speaker 9>No, we'll we'll put it back.</v> We Is that expensive? No. Okay. No. It we, Condit was never about, it was never about maybe or not, like it doesn't change the scope or anything. And we could be crossing that bridge later with a logical way if that's what he wanted to do. But certainly we appreciate being able to move forward and comply with what you're requesting now. So <v Speaker 1>I'm not sure we can make it put the curb back.</v> <v Speaker 9>It's off the loss. Agree to not use it.</v> How it's, well yeah, that would definitely, like I've never heard of know no use. So you don't own <v Speaker 1>It.</v> <v Speaker 9>Yeah, its a, it's a, it is a,</v> because it is owned by the, the, the town, so <v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v> We're not gonna be able Would <v Speaker 9>They do it? Allow the</v> <v Speaker 1>Town Yeah, we're not gonna</v> That's right. We're taking that back. <v Speaker 9>Comply with them. Putting it back fine. No. Yeah.</v> Not making it any worse. No, there already is fine, but no, <v Speaker 1>No, no access. Certainly no</v> <v Speaker 3>Driveway or</v> <v Speaker 1>No driveway.</v> Yeah, no driveway, no access. Vehicle <v Speaker 3>Access.</v> <v Speaker 6>Yep.</v> <v Speaker 1>How you feel? Way down. Feel good? Okay. Do it.</v> Let's go. Okay, let's go. I'll help you <v Speaker 6>Move that.</v> We approve the application for 2 36 Main Street, north Main Street. Seeing as it's not substantially more detrimental in the existing structure subject to the current drive with the curb cut on running. Brook is no longer allowed in service and subject to storm water management. <v Speaker 1>I'm, I'm not sure infiltration.</v> Infiltration in accordance with the requirements of the Board of Health <v Speaker 6>Subjected to the Yeah.</v> As requested by the, the board of Health. <v Speaker 1>And then we, we'll just say there's not</v> to be any impervious leading from the curb cut to the house. No access from Running Brook. The only means of access would be from North Main Street <v Speaker 3>Vehicular</v> <v Speaker 1>A access vehicular axis</v> and a as amended. Second. <v Speaker 7>Second.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. All those in favor?</v> <v Speaker 7>There's no height restrictions?</v> <v Speaker 1>No. Just what's indicated on the plan.</v> 30 point, well go to 31 from average grade. Existing. Average grade. Okay. Right down. Deal with <v Speaker 7>The curb cut engineer.</v> <v Speaker 1>Well that's, that's not for us. I know. I'm just</v> <v Speaker 7>Helping them</v> <v Speaker 1>Along. Once the once no,</v> <v Speaker 7>We could always go That's fine.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, okay. I'm sorry. Fair enough.</v> Okay, so let's do that again as amended and amended. Oh, I'm not amending anything. No, no, no, no. We just did here we just amended your decision by adding a couple things to it. Second that <v Speaker 7>Second</v> <v Speaker 1>And all those in favor.</v> Just wanna make sure we're voting on the right thing. You're all set. Great. Thank you. Okay. Good luck. Thank you guys. Okay, next matter is 76 South Main Street, an application for Julia. And graph two Ps for a finding per MGL chapter 48, section six. And then it zoning bylaws section four B and five A. The project is for an addition on the right side of the property showing the plan submitted <v Speaker 7>The yellow project.</v> <v Speaker 1>This is 76 South Main. Hello there. Hi.</v> Hello. How you doing? Okay, let's see. Okay, so you got the lot, you're short on frontage, you got the depth, oh, wait a minute. So he's got this marked as a section six. The chart would have us believe that there's a variance. I'll take a look at the plans. 30 feet required for the front existing 30, proposed 22. Is that true? Two. Okay, let's take a look. <v Speaker 7>It's, it's,</v> <v Speaker 1>It's maybe</v> that the chart's filled out properly. So let's see, the front is the south main existing is 9.44. <v Speaker 7>Can we go to,</v> <v Speaker 1>Can you go stay at</v> <v Speaker 7>9.4? Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 13>Yeah, I was about to say it's okay.</v> This is not all of the work being done is less than the current non-conforming. <v Speaker 1>The chart just has an incorrect number in it. Okay.</v> So thankfully it's incorrect. So 30 exists, 30 required. 9.1 existing and proposed is is still 9.1 and the side west is 12 required You have 8.1, let's see, isn't it 12.7? I think it's 12.7, right? <v Speaker 3>Proposed.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, it's existing. It says 8.1.</v> I don't see that anywhere on the plane. It's <v Speaker 7>8.1.</v> Are we looking at, are you looking at this? <v Speaker 1>Oh, oh, that's 24 Marshall Road. Whoops.</v> <v Speaker 7>Oh, I was like none of those numbers match.</v> <v Speaker 1>Oh, please.</v> <v Speaker 14>We need to call our architect.</v> Okay, let's, let's, let's do that again. Woo. A pencil. Yeah, right. Okay. <v Speaker 1>Sorry. Wrong one. Okay, let's go back.</v> 76 South main. <v Speaker 14>That's the one. Here we go. One more time.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry about that.</v> It's in the wrong file. <v Speaker 7>Is it really?</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah.</v> <v Speaker 7>Alright.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay.</v> I got the right plan with the wrong chart. I just wanna see if they were swapped. But there's, there's, there isn't one in, in six, but there is one in seven. Put that back where it belong. <v Speaker 7>Alright,</v> <v Speaker 1>I'm gonna look at Mike's chart.</v> <v Speaker 3>What do we do when there's that extra bottom</v> <v Speaker 7>Line?</v> <v Speaker 3>Front side, side rear?</v> <v Speaker 1>I think so. And that's</v> <v Speaker 3>Just nothing.</v> <v Speaker 1>I think so. Doesn't</v> <v Speaker 3>Really matter for this one.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Let's see. So you had to turn?</v> <v Speaker 7>Yes.</v> <v Speaker 1>Alright, so the lot's small</v> front is good. The depth is short fronts. There we go. The nonconforming will remain so sides conforming and will stay the same. That's the 32. Yeah. Side 12, 35, 27. So we're gonna reduce this the east side, but it's conforming the rears. Nonconforming will remain. So coverage is conforming will remain. So the height is going up but will be well less than than required. And that's not nothing. Let's just check that. 1.4. <v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's to that little angle.</v> <v Speaker 1>Just conceptually</v> <v Speaker 3>If it's the</v> same existing building that just <v Speaker 1>Oh right.</v> Yeah, yeah. Not no change. Okay. Yeah, I <v Speaker 6>Gotcha.</v> Yeah, you can see what they're doing on that drawing. They're just taking down the old garage effectively. Moving that footprint over next to the house. <v Speaker 1>Oh, here, here I found it.</v> No peg, no holes. Okay. <v Speaker 6>I was in a</v> <v Speaker 1>Rush to get That's alright, that's alright.</v> Okay, so here we go. <v Speaker 6>Are you building a breezeway between the proposed garage</v> and the existing dwelling? Some sort of, <v Speaker 13>It's, there's, so basically a mudroom.</v> There's already sort of a laundry area there. We're just extending it a little bit so it'll, <v Speaker 1>Okay, well there's nobody here.</v> So I think that suggests the level of concern in the neighborhood. <v Speaker 6>You read the letter about water mitigation</v> and getting a management plan in front of the <v Speaker 13>Yes. Engineer</v> <v Speaker 6>Health and conservation. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 13>Yeah, that's</v> <v Speaker 15>Our architect had spoken</v> when he said, oh sorry, hot mic. Our architect had spoken with the board of health, I believe you said, right? <v Speaker 6>Yeah. There's a letter in here from the board of health</v> and from engineering. Okay. Not conservation that I could see. Okay. <v Speaker 13>Okay. Yeah. But just to make sure that the water, yeah,</v> <v Speaker 6>They just want a water mitigation plan.</v> Sure. Same storm <v Speaker 1>Water, same thing.</v> Dry well then infiltration. <v Speaker 15>Okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>You are within the</v> aquifer protection district. You just want the water that would otherwise be shedding off your property to go into the ground. Yes. Protect the aquifer. Okay. Well, is everybody good? Yeah. Okay. Do that <v Speaker 6>Move that we approve the application</v> for seven six South Main Street. In the addition, it is not substantially more detrimental than the current structures and subject to being built in accordance with the plans as submitted and following the recommendations of the board of health and town engineering letters. Just <v Speaker 1>Stick in the infiltration.</v> Hold on one sec. Mark's <v Speaker 6>In the engineer.</v> Yeah, I didn't see. Oh, there is, I'll <v Speaker 1>Ask,</v> <v Speaker 6>Put it in.</v> <v Speaker 1>What's that? The last one we made, put it in.</v> <v Speaker 6>Okay. You want to just add that?</v> We'll do the storm water infiltration. Yeah. And yeah, those are in the letters, but yes, the storm water <v Speaker 1>Infiltration</v> <v Speaker 6>Infiltration plan would be reviewed</v> by conservation energy will be <v Speaker 13>Reviewed. Yes. Okay.</v> <v Speaker 1>Second. Second as amended. All those in favor?</v> You're all set. Good luck. Thank you. <v Speaker 15>Alright, thank you very much. 35.</v> <v Speaker 1>Hold on, we got one more.</v> <v Speaker 6>Oh, not us here, not yours.</v> Wait, there's the other house that we have. <v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is the last one I'll take here. Okay.</v> The last one is public hearing for 24. Marshall wrote an application for Seth Doby. Two findings for MG L 40 A section six and nat zoning bylaw section four B and five A. The project is for a farm <v Speaker 6>Farmer's.</v> <v Speaker 1>Oh, it's being continued. Oh, I didn't, okay.</v> The project is for a farmer's porch on the front of the single family dwelling and an extension of preseason nonconforming structure. As shown the plan submitted and the applicant is seeking to continue with it without testimony. A new site plan has been submitted. Okay. So continue to January 27th. Yes. Rob, did <v Speaker 6>We continue this case for Marshall?</v> January 27th. <v Speaker 1>Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye.</v> Okay, well we did it. <v Speaker 6>Wow. That's a wild record of time.</v> <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Unless less debate less members I suppose.</v> <v Speaker 6>Oh, we didn't do the variance one. Yeah.</v> Two varis. A lot of people want. <v Speaker 1>Yeah. Two variance. Yeah, that one gonna take some time.</v> Sure. Pardon? Motion to Oh, do we have meeting minutes for you? <v Speaker 6>We do, but I don't know if we'll wait.</v> <v Speaker 1>We'll, yeah, we'll wait. Okay. Alright.</v> <v Speaker 6>Motion that we close the hearing.</v> <v Speaker 1>Second.</v> <v Speaker 6>I second.</v> <v Speaker 1>Okay. All those in favor, we're all set.</v> <v Speaker 6>The one that the various</v> I I'm never come across a lot that zone.