e e e e e e e e okay it is 7 o'clock I hereby call to order the niswa city council meeting for
this Tuesday February 18th if we can please rise for the pledge un States all right um welcome the first order of business tonight is to approve the amended agenda so please note that there was additional information
provided to the council for items F1 um and G1 that are included in the packet as well as item D3 do we have a motion to approve the amended agenda Madam May I'll make a motion to approve the amended agenda as presented second all right any discussion all
those in favor of approving the amended agenda signify by saying I I okay motion carries next up is the consent calendar so all of the matters listed under the consent calendar on the agenda are considered routine business by the
council and will be enacted by one motion is there any discussion or commentary um I do have one item number 14 the Personnel policy leave I would just ask that maybe the council would
allow the Personnel committee to pull that one out and review prior to us voting on it just to see how that aligns with everything else and to send it to the Personnel committee
first any other any comments or thoughts to Joe's recommendation who did the update mayor caran um the city clerk and I did the update uh to reflect the changes that were made in 24 for new benefits and things we just didn't want
to update it one after the other so we waited to roll those together um and then there were a couple of updates to adjust for like credit card use for staff um things like that is the memo is just a short maybe six items or something like that so things that were
approved last year for new benefits for staff um but certainly can allow opportunity time to review it if needed or if there are things going forward um certainly that would be part of the Personnel committee to review any new changes or anything
that would be relevant yeah and when I was reading it just due to some of the background information that we've talked about or discussed you know with the different unions and stuff just how that might tie into this and just just yeah I would
just like the opportunity to review it for two minutes I mean I don't think is there anything time sensitive with it that we have no we're just trying to stay current with the benefits that were updated last year um so it doesn't really change the
benefits they are what they are so can hold if the council would like to approve it with the exception of 14 is fine any other discussion Madame mayor I move to make a
motion to approve the consent calendar as presented with the exception of item 14 Personnel policy to be tabled until the March regular city council meeting any additional discussion all right all those in favor
signify by saying I I I okay motion carries um next up is our open forum and the first item under open forum is public comment if there is anyone from the public that has any comments or anything that they'd like to address the council you are welcome to come to the
podium if you can State your first name and your address or business there is nothing on the agenda for the downtown master plan however the people of Nisswa and the business owners want answers um first off we clearly asked the council and the mayor uh City
staff to give us detailed receipts for January on January 21st uh from the city administrator in wsn today at 3:2 I received them with vague detail dets uh the hours paid do not match hours and meetings or tasks in my opinion and um
again it's not on the agenda tonight uh we've been waiting to be honest since 10:30 to receive those receipts when we first asked for them sitting in this room for the business listening session with the city of nisah two there is still no answer as to the disconnect
from the committee to the project manager or wsn's concepts where was the feedback and input from and three uh where is the agenda for the retreat next Tuesday we were told on January 21st that the downtown master plan committee would be invited I have
yet to hear anything I'm on the committee so what time and section should we arrive at so I can take well I'm not sure what one two or three was so I'll just try to answer as best as I can and then turn over turn it
over to other council members so um for the breakdown of the fees that wood Seth has charged we did do a meeting with wood Seth shortly after the January special meeting for the downtown master plan and in that it was about an hour so
in that meeting they did agree to I don't know if the correct word is reimburse or credit us the overage that 11,600 overage um for doing extra work on that downtown master plan so that was a good start yeah um but we didn't get all the detail breakdown in that meeting
they did go over like at a more midlevel the work that had been done up to that point um I don't have all my notes with me so maybe Jenny can speak more to that but from that we wanted to do a follow-up meeting on that specifically which we haven't had yet because
people's schedules have been a bit hectic but we I think we have that on the calendar for either next week or the week after and in the meantime I think Jenny did get again not the exact detail we need but a more detailed breakdown of
that remaining 45,000 that was emailed to her late this afternoon so I don't think is it after what I received I don't I think it yes I think it was so we have why was that not sent to me I didn't have that information W said
provided it this afternoon so I provided it to the mayor late this afternoon not knowing if she wanted to send information out or isn't it public knowledge Well w set did in a additional review of their billing so that's what
they provided me late this afternoon so I provided you everything the city had and then whth provided additional information context um to go along with our meeting that we had to review that scope of work that was that has been done and we're working on um if it's
fair to say we're working on a revised scope of work to present to the council in March uh We've added that to the retreat agenda um as well so we can talk about that so that is um um the 25th that's Tuesday um the agenda will be out
um by Thursday this week and where's the invite to the committee though well so that is my expectation was that this is a council Retreat so it's a public meeting um so you can come and listen to that but um as far as there being time for the committee to engage I I don't
know with the agenda that you have that there's time for a robust conversation with the committee it was clearly stated at the January 21st special meeting for the downtown master plan that we would be
invited it was asked of you to invite us at minutes 28 42 43 46 51 52 53 54 67 and 69 yeah correct she's correct that they
were that that committee was going to be invited to our to our meeting next week so that that has been said multiple times so is that is it a part of the agenda well as I emailed the council um
an agenda um at least a week or two ago with the items on that looking for feedback to make sure we're on the same page um the downtown master plan was not on the agenda at that time because we were aiming for the March council meeting um to allow us time to work with width to come up with that revised scope
so added it to the agenda and the public we said the public was invited to the Retreat to attend so if the committee was looking for something specific certainly date has been there but then I'm missing something to because in March correct we are going to get back
to the people because we are going to have this meeting and on the agenda but even this fall when all the business owners were in here too we had told them at that time too that they would be on that we' that they would be on it so there'd be full transparency right yeah
so this so this is not new information tonight so if there was something missing with that email sent certainly feedback is helpful so we're on the same page but yeah I guess you know um I'm
not the note taker for the city to put that down so I mean I can give feedback just like Emma is now but yeah we can roll the this th this isn't anything new I mean shoot we had 90% of the business owners in here for one day I mean there's more business owners sitting in
this crowd too that I'm sure can verify this but this was clearly stated back then so it just needs to be a part of that meeting I mean you know you were here Mark we are here I mean Jessie was here does the
council have any issue with with us no well just it's not a big deal we just got so if it's not on there but yeah I think that's that's part of it we got to we got to continue to work through this so so if there needs to be a specific
invite I myself I don't know who the committee members are I mean I'm sure there's an emailer list but I'm not sure who's in charge of that but does that come well we can go for call yeah yeah will we hear back on the last
question in March then can you repeat the last question again sorry um where the disconnect is from the committee's opinions and ideas uh to the project manager and wsn's Concepts that they provided so what information was being fed to the project manager wsn that
generated those concept ideas because they were not coming from the original committee yeah we can certain well we have that meeting with wood so we can perfect dig into that on that side and dig into it on the city Side perfect I'm just a little limited right because I wasn't involved until January so trying
to get up to speed on understandable thank you thank you thanks do we have anyone else um for the public comment period going once going twice okay next we'll turn it over to
Chief Taylor for the police chief annual Police Department annual presentation good evening everyone good evening filling in for C tonight doing this so I'm Sergeant samansky um we'll be doing our
2024 review for the nisah police department here on the top left there we have Chief Taylor uh and myself Luke call Jeremy Rooney Matt Thompson Scott Williams and
our Administrative Assistant janal Waterman those are our new squads that came in the past year uh you might have seen the old ones sitting in the parking lot um those are the ones that those replaced uh we do have our new 2024
Squad that is built that is at the dealership we are waiting for the upfitter to pick that up and get it equipped so we can get that one into the rotation as well and then our 2025 Squad is ordered and should be built here this
spring calls for 2024 we had a total of 2,164 calls for service um the way those calls were received there was 26 in in person whether someone approached an officer or came into the police department here uh 365 of them were
received via phone call 602 over the radio from our Dispatch Center with the county uh 1,167 of them were visually observed by the officer and four in the other category
um main types of calls we had traffic stops 1,00 76 uh of those 9915 resulted in warnings 183 citations issued 52 total
arrests there's 313 times which we assisted other agencies 211 Medicals 82 alarms 77 crashes and 10 criminal citations issued some of the main things that
resulted from the traffic enforcement um again the 52 arrests there um some of the main ones were 18 alcohol related with DWI one drug related for DWI uh four drug possession
or sales charges and 14 warrants some of our activity for the year uh we hired officer Scott Williams in March uh he's fit in very well in has been doing a great job for us and we also hired our Administrative
Assistant Janelle um she has also fit in very well um doing a lot of great things taking tasks off the officers allowing us to be out on the street more and just some of the things we did throughout the year in March officer
Hall attended a joint training effort with as part of the Drone team for the county um Crowing County Tactical Team Cass County Tactical Team were also there at nature link Resort participating in
that and in may we had one of our safety Towns at officer Hall also participated in along with sergeant pson from the sheriff's office that was held at the elementary
school June we had our PPR and first aid training refresher and also in June we had taser training um we do have our new tasers the taser 10s um which are quite different from the ones we currently
carry we'll have training in the beginning of March to get everyone certified with those and get them issued to everyone to start carrying Freedom days uh parade and Fire Works was probably one of the busiest
years ever um there was a lot of a lot of people in town so went off quite well I thought we had very very few issues and calls during that so everything went quite smooth July we had another Safety Town
with officer Rooney there at the community center also on July when we got the two new squads I showed earlier we also started impl ing the hos alert system um technology that we're using um when we
turn our lights on um it will notify anyone using like a Garmin or some type of GPS that there's something coming up ahead of them we can also reroute traffic if needed um on those systems if
there's a major accident or weather conditions where you need to have traffic take it different route October we hosted our open house uh we had a good turn out for that we had some games and activities outside for the kids um looking at squad cars
let them sit in those and then inside we had hot dogs and beverages um the kids were able to get little IDs made with their pictures on them and some other information and we had officer Rooney
with with uh some more presentations and information there as well October I myself passed out some candy for the niswa elementary Halloween parade a lot of kids coming through there and having
fun then in November we had the City of Lights it was quite cold this year so it was kind of hard to judge how many people actually came in it seemed like there was a lot more people coming for shorter period of time and then leaving due to the
cold everything went well there it was another fun event for the year that is about it anyone have any questions thank you Sergeant shimansky does anyone from the council have any questions thanks all righty I'd just
like to thank all of our officers too and janal they have been doing a great job so thank you yeah we appreciate the great work of the department thank you okay next we have a equipment repair update on the fire department from Chief
sha Bailey so our 2004 pumper truck went in for some oil leaks and when they tore it apart we noticed that one of the cylinders is dead and upon taking the heads off now we have two cylinders that
are dead so we're looking at a possibly repair upwards of 35,000 to piix our truck at this point so that's the update I don't have any solid numbers but we do have them moving forward to try to get our truck back into service so that's if
you have any questions I can try to answer them unless you want me to scrap it and you guys just grant me two million and we'll put a ladder truck come are there any questions for chief Bailey no no motions for that come on I have
Sean where is the money coming from pay for I'll take the the money will be paid out of our sinking fund this our truck fund so we have the money to pay for the repair and yep the original estimate was around 10
until he got into it yeah when he when he dropped the oil pan down the Rings were laying in the oil pan just wanted the council to be aware since this is of course unbudgeted unplanned as an expenditure and if there were any
um well concerns or questions um certainly the repair is is necessary to do if there were any parameters for spending that you wanted Chief Bailey to know about or if it's just repaired as needed move forward wanted to make sure that the council was I'm giving
direction as as a group I think you need to repair as needed and we trust your leadership and guidance to do what you need to do good deal we'll take care of it thank you thank you can I have a motion please to authorize the repairs for that to for the pumper truck as I'll
so move thank you second any additional discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I okay motion carries all right next is reports um Jenny you are up first thank you uh good
evening city council uh my report is in your pack and I am happy to answer any questions if the council has any I'll pause for just a moment and then I have just a couple other things uh wanted to recognize um Brian frell our manager at
spirits of niswa has um just earned his 10year uh anniversary with the city and so wanted to thank Brian for his service and uh we'll provide him with a certificate and a pin and then also if the council wasn't aware uh Lakeland news did a nice story
on Chief Taylor for his retirement and um certainly you could send the link or if you just Google it you could find it right away so just wanted to let you know if you weren't aware that they did a piece on that and happy to answer any question any update on the state legislature nothing
substantive um any specific question or just you got Insight from the Le League of Minnesota City so I was wondering if you have any other pertinent information to share are they going to get back and session uh they are working towards that
yes yes me clarify are are the Democrats coming back in to be able to get yes they have yes so hopefully I can start things up again and try to work through the the few months we have left because those will go fast and sales tax will be an
optional this year for them again to be able to provide us the ability to put on the ballot in two years well the moratorium is still in effect through the end of this session um so we will see if they if the moratorium simply
lifts and the rules in place stay the way they are or if the legislature wants to propose any different legislation um certainly that would be an opportunity there and I think something that we might talk about next month is if the
council would like to offer any input to um our legislators to encourage them to provide some opportunity for that would be a c conversation but thanks yeah I do have a question have we had
any anything comeback from the RFP we put out for a labor attorney I just received the first one today okay so sent that over to uh Tom Pearson and um they are due on Monday and then um I've sent Tom an email just late this afternoon so we can connect next week to
review them and then they'll go to the Personnel committee very good I have received a lot of interest as well so just so you know of um encouraging from different firms that who are interested so anyone else have questions for
Jenny okay we'll turn it over to Tom do you have an update uh good evening everybody no specific update have just been working on uh various projects with City staff in the last 30 days very good and Bill do you have any update uh yeah I guess um I've been
working on the niswa 2025 Street projects um which has actually moved to 26 now and just working on uh getting the easements and RightWay and all that kind of stuff figured out for the roadway trying to find tun our construction limits and looking at the drainage and stuff also looking at um
where lift station one could be positioned for the RightWay stuff that you guys are going to talk about and the same thing with LIF station 12 good any questions on any of the reports from the council okay we will move on to new business um the first item under new
business is Diane Townsen Diane do you want to come up to the microphone good evening mayor council carahan and council members my name is Diane Townsen and I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight regarding an important issue the Fire
Relief pension according to to Chief Bailey's 2024 report 83% of calls received by the department are related to Medical emergencies and motor vehicle accidents the remaining 177% of calls are for fire
related incidences gas leaks and Mi miscellaneous the data underscores the evolving role of our fire department where Medical Response has become the focus as an EMT first responder currently serving on the Nisa Fire Department have dedicated many years to
this vital role in our community my journey began in May of 1998 when a tragic incident occurred my friend's three-year-old son drowned at Roy Lake in the wake of that heartbreak I was contacted by Richard gei who asked
if I would help establish a first responder group for the Nissa Lakeshore area having just graduated from my EMT course I was eager to put my training to good use and make a difference over the years I have responded to numerous calls and have had
the privilege of saving multiple lives however in 2012 our first responder group began to experience a decline in volunteers leading to the discussion about merging with the fire department on January 1st 2013 the two entities
officially joined together at that time Bruce edberg and I were granted grandfathered in as the only two individuals with strictly EMS background unfortunately due to personal circumstances specifically raising my grandsons one whom has special needs I
was not in a position to pursue fire training before the merger the Fire Relief Association amended its policies to state that EMS Personnel would never be eligible for any type of pension this decision has left me and others in
similar positions without the retirement benefits we deserve after years of dedicated service however I want to highlight that in 2019 laws changed stipulating that Fire Relief Associations must revise their
bylaws to include EMS Personnel for pension El eligibility I have provided documentation from open Solutions Alliance Osa that supports this despite my multiple attempts to discuss this matter with members of the relief
Association and past M Mayors have cons cons consistently been told that they cannot or will not change their decisions or apply retroactive benefits this is concerning especially giving the legal changes that have taken place
today I'm presenting evidence that highlights the need for reform and I'm asking for your assistance and advocating for this change to the Fire Relief pension bylaws it is vital that we recognize the contributions of all emergency responders including those of
us in EMS us and ensure that we are treated fairly I want to extend my gratitude to mayor carahan for your commitment to helping me navigate this process your support means a great deal to me and to others who have served our community in this capacity thank you for
your time and consideration tonight we can work to towards ensuring that all First Responders receive the recognition and benefits they rightly deserve thank you Diane um does anyone on the council have any questions
comments or thoughts for Diane sure I guess I'll start um first of all I want to thank you for all years of service you know I've worked with you for over 20 years um on it and been on
hundreds of calls with you and I appreciate all the stuff that you've done for people in the community and lives you you've saved and I just first want to start by publicly telling you thank you for your service
um uh with that as far as it goes from the council and the relief pension the city council um actually is in no position to make a ruling on this or anything
because the relief is separate and outside of the council so this this city council um doesn't have any jurisdiction over the relief and so the correct steps to take um to
change um you know to change or adopt the bylaws within the relief is to first go to um the general membership of the relief and formally ask for a vote at
that level and then after that gets voted on it then it would go to the actual relief board and those would be the correct steps to take um the council's position is just to um support
the decisions basically and and if there would be a funding issue at the relief that's the only time that the city would be involved with it but otherwise there's no jurisdiction that the city council has over the actual relief for the fire department it's a separate
thing outside of the council unless the bylaws are changed the council has to approve it yep well yeah yeah you guys just support it so if there's a change then yep you adopt the changes that the relief makes but that's that's the correct steps well actually if there are
changes to the bylaw then the council has to approve it say yes or no correct that would be the final step so first it goes the membership the relief and then it would come back just to ad dot because the fire department's underneath the city but those would be the the
correct steps to take and could could there be any way for City staff to sit down with um I don't know who's running the relief fund that is Andy Andy is the president he's he's here also is there any way for like some of the city staff and Andy or some others with the Fire
Relief to sit down and discuss and review the the changes of 2019 and then have a recommendation or do you want to do that in with the yeah that that is that is part of the relief and
once again outside of City staff City it it's City staff has nothing to do with this city council has nothing to do with this this is a relief decision by the relief I mean Andy's here as the president but he can speak to that too but it's I'd like to hear Andy why you
know are they would they be willing to do this ad the EMTs on not uh is there a planed discussion um if so when um so first a
formal request would have to be made I'll say this is a formal request right here but through the city I know she didn't go to anybody else but could she formally request that to Andy right at this moment no because it has to go to
the um the members that's where it starts so no this is not a formal request either it has to go to the membership so this is not the correct process either so it has to first go to the membership formal request there and then from there go through the steps and this is all
really defined by the state of Minnesota actually and when the fire department took over zone two which Diane was on so croan counties broke up into different
zones for the First Responders there are still independent first responder groups working independent of fire departments in the counter zone two was shrinking in membership the fire department absorbed all the zone two into the fire
department at that time it was legal documents and everything spelled out at that time um specifying all this information at that time that was adopted and signed off by everything in 2019 the rules did
change it actually doesn't say that we have to adopt any of that right it's it's up to the up to the whether they want to or not but also too as the city goes and stuff too there are no as we continue to move ahead you know at that
time one of the stipulations of the fire department that every way moving forward from the date forgive me the date what 19 was that when you join the fire department you do not have an option
anymore of being EMS certified or not prior to that you could be on the fire department and get all the fire department training without the EMS training once this all got adopted it was the city um policy through the fire
department that everybody was EMS trained moving forward so we don't have either or you all have everybody on the fire department has to be fully trained moving forward due to the type of calls that we go to so a question
so does Diane have to I mean you say a formal request so that would mean that the person Diane would have to make a formal request correct so who does she Outreach to to make her formal request that would be either to Sea Sean and
Andy so the fire chief that's where she'd start formal request for the membership Dane have you made a formal request to Chief Bailey no I have not okay so tomorrow morning make a noral request or tonight I you know after the
meeting I don't think she has to call or sit down but let's just see if we can get the ball rolling yeah so so like I say this is all pretty defined by the state of Minnesota these are just a real set forward by the state that we're following and you guys can you guys and I know they're really F Department in
the state's following these guidelines right and I've got a niece and a nephew that are On's a paramedic On's in EMT with volunteer fire departments and they were added on right away and that's many years ago but those are different departments but um but the final say is
with the relief fund they say yes no so yeah so when we took on the EMS people in 2012 everybody at that time that was doing only the EMS like Diane was given the opportunity to do all the formal
training like the fire department um to get formally trained at that time which would have automatically made them eligible at that time for the pension with that training it wasn't eligible without
it so but that that those to move ahead that would be the thing get a hold of Chief um Bailey and make that formal request to the membership and then it'll be formally voted on from there and then the the next step's taken and then it
comes all the way back to the council at the end my question for the rest of the council I guess City staff is was this known about was this process known about ahead of time before it came to this point where she had to come and present in front of us if this was known why was
this not related to her so we could spare herself of having to come do this knowing that there's additional process to follow yeah I just I just when I got the email from Dan that's when I looked into it and saw it 219 um that was the first that I heard of it it was on uh by
started looking into it on Saturday but um I'm only saying this in in full fairness and respect to those right specifically you Diane for for I Echo councilman Hall thank you for your service yes um but we need to be
transparent provide this information to the rest if we know of this prior to this meeting and having her come up to the stand she deserved that and uh um it's council members on it's also though if somebody wants to address the council they have the opportunity to do
that right so that was wanting to facilitate the request and make sure we're on the same page with the city attorney as far as process and and then going forward if that next step needs to take be taken with the fire relief which is the official step but that was her
request to be on the agenda right Dian requested to make this to be here tonight and I think just to make sure we're checking all the box boxes we should confirm with our City attorney what we've heard that this is you know
what the right processes and to make sure we're we're doing everything the right way I agree with what I've heard said yes okay Dan do you have other input or feedback you'd like to share right at this particular time not at this time
anyone else have any I do Diane thank you so much for your commitment and your sacrifice and you know I appreciate it we all do and that I think I agree with Joel there's certain steps that you know need to be followed and U you know he's explained it pretty well and has a very
good understanding for it and you know get together with the chief and so forth and that and uh you know go forward with your requests that way and follow the the proper procedure and steps and thank you so much for everything thank you Diane thank you
Diane okay next is a memo from Public Works regarding the sewer connection agreement with foxy properties so we will hear from Tom first and then the owners of Foxy property second good evening everybody um you
should have a few documents in your um packet regarding this um so what I'm going to do is I'm just going to go through um the agreement that I have drafted for you to consider um so as many of you probably
know um foxy properties is looking to establish a laundromat uh with The Moxy building over here um so we've calculated as a city are we have a um sewer connection
fee estimator that is based on um formulas established by the Met Council um so we take that formula it gives us a a number um which in this case is 17.9 erc's so that's an equivalent
residential connection um each ERC cost $116,000 in this area uh that would result in an estimated connection charge of 286
400 um after Consulting with uh Mr Hall and um Jake CER from foxy Pro properties um is felt that this estimate is high and so using some information provided
by them we're suggesting that the arcs would likely be more in the order of seven um this would have a total connection fee of $112,000 they would like to pay half of that up front at the time of the permit
uh that would be $56,000 and then um the remaining connection fee would be based off of meter readings after one year of operation and that fee would be paid for over a period of 10
years um uh with a 5% interest rate on that um and that would be compounded annually um foxy properties will be responsible for any and all professional fees
required to prepare and process this agreement any increase in flows over this estimate of 10% or more would trigger an additional ERC calculation um should it be needed so in
this rate way this is written we we are accepting the information provided by foxy properties as what it will likely be um we're we're working with them to establish an amount they can afford to start their business
and should they use more water be more successful than what what they've beli they will be uh the city would still be protected and be able to collect those collection connection fees if they're realized um it's kind of a complex topic
so I guess if anyone has any questions they'd like to ask I'd answer them now or do my best to try to answer them well Tom I think you nailed it on the head in your uh Council memo and I'll quote uh please remember any
charges you make to the connection fee any changes you make to the connection fee system will be seen as precedent by others and will affect the financial health of the sewer fund and funds ability to afford future Capital Improvement project so with that I fully
agree um there's going to be no other precedent or grounds that the city's going to have for future um negotiations on this and if this is going to be the case which I think this is a a very high number the original principal number of
286 um are you comfortable with water usage like this in the event that we have future businesses come through and there is this type of usage yeah I think what what I'm what I'm suggesting with this is is that we would you know rather than half of what
we believe the erc's could be so we kind of back up a little bit um this calculation is based on the maximum flow you could expect to receive from a business of this type and so what they're essentially doing is they're buying a portion of the treatment plant
that can handle that maximum flow so we have to be careful not to undersell that we need to reserve that much capacity so should their business grow up to what the initial estimate is saying that it's
there any one business won't push it over but you know if we had many of these type of agreements we could potentially find ourselves pushing up against our capacity at some point um so anyway what I'm saying is uh you know
instead of half of what our additional calculation is you might consider a lower number in this case I'd say it's closer to 25 or 30% of the initial calculation um maybe that's something the council could consider if they want to do that
as a startup for these agreements um otherwise you can just accept it as I've written it and go on from there but we would probably try to write all future agreements the same as this and they'll need to be well and we probably don't
have the time to discuss this in detail but I've spent several hours with Tom and he's brought me up the speed all the way from 1991 when it started to present day with the sewer and how previous
councils um set it up from the beginning and kind of what their Vision was for nisah as far as like bigger lots and things like that to get these higher numbers and and that is information that
we as a council need Tom to present at a different time so everyone can get up to speed with it because this issue is going to keep coming up over and over and uh we need to make some decisions on
how to adjust this I mean um um really any business starting up paying almost $300,000 just to hook up to a sewer is a nogo for any business in this town NS it I mean it's it's just kind of crazy and
so that um we need to do sooner and later and take a hard look at because um this town's never going to change you know and then also to when we have a $166,000 hookup fee right now why would
anyone want to hook the city sewer when you can go get a private one put in for8 to 10 grand I mean it's we're um plus then pay monthly fees so us as a city we need to get all that information that Tom has shared so you
guys are all up to speed on it but we have we have to come up with a different system for not only commercial people but just the residential house um our costs and you know we're talking about more lift stations and repairs and it's only going up but we have to find a
different funding mechanism that Tom shared a lot of neighboring towns have a lot of different mechanisms funding the sewer a lot of creative ways where we basically only have the sewer
funding itself but our numbers are out of line with surrounding communities so I think that would be something in the real near future that we want to get set up with Tom to bring you all up the speed on if that kind of summarizes it
so there's a lot of details yeah there's a lot of details that go into this so at this time I guess I was just looking at this as the contract we need to consider for these folks uh if they still wish to move forward with this this is really I
would say the best the city could hope to do at this time um with with the circumstances that we have so I don't know if if they would like to comment on what uh I've proposed or if the city council has any further questions Jake
or Katie do you want to make any additional comments or address the council hi everyone Jake koer um so the initial estimate that was that we had provided was a Max Max Max that is not realistic
so when I got that number the $286,000 number and then regain Consciousness I decided that I should probably look into this just a little bit further you know and really try to get what we think a true water flow will
be so I have some other friends that own a similar type business and a surrounding community and they were kind enough to share um their usage for the year so when I uh got that information and I re you know recalculated it based upon Tom's um
cost estimator which was really nice to just kind of plug and play everything and so that's where that revised number came from was that which we feel like is a real true water usage estimate for the year based upon a neighboring community that um you know was a similar setup
buiness what so I just wanted to make sure the council knew that that's that's where that number came from it wasn't just uh you know a shot in the dark so any questions for Jake do we have a motion mayor caran can I just clarify so we wanted to confirm
with the council the components of this uh we have a legal agreement that the City attorney has drafted for us in the past so we will use these parameters to draft that agreement and we can work to um get signatures completed following a council motion but just wanted you to
know is the only reason why this is coming to council motion simply due to the fact that this has gone beyond the negotiation of strictly the financing aspect of it no we would bring this agreement uh a connection fee agreement we did this with EO properties in the past as well we would bring that to the
council so that you is it discretionary based on the dollar amount or the the the volume I think it's there's significant dollars involved and when you're talking um typically over a five or a 10e period with an agreement we just want to make sure both parties are on the same page
for something you know as significant as this and it's outside of the standard calculation used by staff other questions I'm good would anyone like to make a motion I will not be voting on this m May I'll make a motion
[Music] to I'll make a motion to uh accept the proposed sewer connection agreement with foxy properties as presented with the notion that we are setting precedent for future state with this for
future businesses I'll second any additional discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I motion carries all right next up is a recommendation from the Planning Commission regarding CH the chapter 20
ordinance Amendment so Steven we'll turn it to you evening mayor thank you Council uh so my Planning Commission or our Planning Commission um held a public hearing at February 4th's Planning Commission regular meeting um to address
and um relieve two conditional approvals that we received from the Minnesota DNR um and some other General housekeeping elements the um section numbers that contain changes in chapter 20 are listed on my memo there um the conditional
approvals that are being remedied are to address the fem of flood plane standards and adopt ordinance language pertaining to those as well as to clarify the PDD District um and add that to our language charts and tables um listed in chapter
20 um it's kind of like a high level summary I know we discussed some of the changes last month as well and also at our Planning Commission um entertain any questions that you have in the pocket
there any questions for Stephen no do we have a motion uh I'll make a motion to accept the recommendation of Planning Commission in regards to chapter 20 ordinance amended Amendment as presented
Ed second any additional discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I I all right motion carries Madam mayor can I please have a motion to publish the ordinance summary in the newspaper please I shall
move any additional discussion okay all those in favor signify by saying I I I all right motion carries real quick before Stephen leaves though um as a council though uh St Stephen and I have had a lot of conversations you know as well as
Chris Pence you know this process was actually started by Bethany and there's still a tremendous amount of work to do a lot and so I would like to see us keep engaging Chris on on moving forward and
Stephen's got a kind of a list of different ordinances that we've talked about he can rattle off I don't have a memorize the different areas but we've got another I'll say top 20 that start going through there are a few areas of
opportunity yeah there there's a lot of areas to go and so doing this stuff um is super helpful for him doing his job and so I don't know if now would be the appropriate time or whatever but if we got to do a motion or something but I'd
like to direct him to keep working on that present us next month with a list of stuff that he wants to go through and then see if we can get um Chris Pence has helped with it again to help align like it has been done so we don't I
don't want to slow down the momentum I want it to keep going yeah if everyone is in favor next month is my uh department presentation so I could add a slide in there of maybe sections that could use some polishing perhaps yep so if everyone's in favor of keeping this
process going good road map of how what's being tackled time frame like we discussed in that in that side meeting of what's going to be tackled in this quarter going into the second through the end of the year y giv was a lot to look forward to
definitely as Don Jacobson used to call it snoozing material he's not wrong thanks Stephen thanks you okay next up is to approve the 2025 fee schedule for w Seth Jenny did you have
some comments on that yes thank you so just to uh remind the council we may have had some new members since the contract was last approved uh so per the current 2024 to 2026 engineering contract between the city and width rate adjustments require Council approval uh
based on what is being presented um the effective date if approved tonight would be April 18th for the new rates and Bill's memo reflects uh rate increases increased between approximately 2 and a half to 4% depending on the various categories uh for services and one of to
present this to the council and uh I'm sure bill could answer all the questions if you have any any questions for Bill I didn't see the good customer discount on anything that's a two and a half to 4%
rate did you say 20 to 40 no two and a half we get the punch card so every time we use them do we have a motion I'll make a motion to approve the width 2025 fee schedule as presented do we have a
second second any further discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I motion carries okay next is the recommendation
to move Steven from probate AR to permanent status um hopefully the council had time to read through everything are there any questions or discussion M mayor I'd like to make a
recommendation make motion here that we move uh Steve from his probationary status to permanent status I'll second second any additional discussion all those in favor signify by saying I I I all right motion carries Stephen do you
know that was uh councilman London's first motion he's made here for you right now congratulations okay and last under new business is the Verizon right of-way agreement and Jenny I think you had some points you wanted to note on that thank
you um so as noted in your packet Verizon has requested the city council approve the attached RightWay agreement uh this would allow Verizon Personnel to proceed with survey work and other related processes at the Firehall site to create construction drawings um and things needed as such uh to allow them
to then uh present applications to Planning and Zoning to initiate that permit process the City attorney did review the agreement and he had one suggested change which has been incorporated into this document right any questions or discussion from the
council did we officially decide on the exact height is that locked in stone at this point or is that still to be determined it's 190t I think approximately 190 feet but it's proposed proposed they are looking at something taller but that will be facilitated
through the Planning Commission process so no they have not submitted anything formal yet okay so this is just a site it doesn't have anything to do with the height yet correct just to allow them to go on site okay I mean just since we're on the topic I've I I've brought this up
before to the council I mean I'm in favor of better service there's obviously unlimited benefit for it however with this land acquisition that we recently have I I just want to bring it up because I brought it up before if there's an ability for us to
reduce having a skyscraper downtown nisat that's going to be a cell tower I would prefer to do that to be able to then have that on this land that we're requiring alongside Highway through 71 and having a smaller call it a satellite tower smaller in footprint but still
going to provide the service that that at least I should say the reach that we're hoping for so just want to reiterate that it's not going to be applicable to this but we can work with Verizon to be able to accommodate that and the future design of this property
as it develops over time um there's a lot of benefit to it did they actually give us an exact reason why they didn't want to go down there or was it just the the coverage distance because we talked about that
night last time he zoomed in but I don't last time they were going to look into that and get back to us but I had not heard the reason or the ruling on that has anybody no me either I believe if memory my memory recalls um they
basically just said that wasn't a desirable location I don't know if it's based in proximity to the existing Tower and whatever of course their maps are showing for service coverage and whatever their priorities are it wasn't a desirable location for them that's not
to say we couldn't pursue with other cell carriers that conversation if the counc wanted to separately um I mentioned this to Jesse I mean these two are related but they're not necessarily tied to each other so if you wanted to continue this project to see where that
goes in downtown to improve service here that's great if you also wanted to pursue another Tower in the new property location area you could do that as well you know desirable location funny my wife just told me uh where I wanted to move my beer fridge over the weekend was
a undesirable location I told her deal with it I'm the one opening it um but on that note in conjunction with city of Lakeshore in a 200 foot tower on this new property of ours we're still getting
service coverage in downtown NWA we're able to have a smaller Tower maybe something that can blend in like they have these towers such as um it's like a pine tree design right doesn't look like one but it passes to the pill um but to be able to have a
larger Tower in Lakeshore I know for a fact being a former resident of Lakeshore for just couple short years that that was shot down over there they did not want that in their area it might be some desire to be able to work with them to be able to have
additional options from that land and that site down the road on the new property you know I think it would probably be incorporated into a water tower you know in the future you know that would probably make the most sense for down there we don't talk about we
don't talk about water here I'm just I'm just saying you know down the road not in the next couple years but okay do we have a motion on this specific agreement with Verizon Madame mayor I'll make a motion
to approve the Verizon RightWay agree agreement as presented any additional discussion all right all those in favor signify by saying I hi okay motion carries all right going back to Old
business from the December um council meeting a recommendation from the Planning Commission regarding the topographic divide for Jethro Carpenter and Stephen we'll start with you then we'll turn it over to Jethro if there is any public comments and then we'll come to council discussion thank you mayor
and Council so yes this was in front of you guys back in December to forward off a um recommendation from the Planning Commission uh regarding the topographic divide redetermination uh the applicant Jetro Carpenter here um had proposed an
alternative um topographic divide as opposed to the one made back in 2019 um and subsequently approved by the DNR um the meets and bound subdivision proposal presented by the applicant
could not proceed under the previously made topographic divide determination without redetermining it uh because of the natural environment Lake standards for lot width and lot size minimums um so we requested as the city that the
applicant um come up with a meets and Bounds definition of the proposed alternative to the topographic divide and the applicant had provided us with two of them one pre-grading and one post grading um to I think provide
perspective that the um the area of the grading was not exactly relative to the lot that was in question to be subdivided at this time um so if we were to move forward of the redetermination that would then get
forwarded off to the DNR we would draft up the um motion by resolution get that over to them to subsequently approve after which the applicant can come forward for whether it be replatting or meets and Bounds um analysis of
subdividing that lot that he is looking at um guess I can turn it over to Jethro for his two cents uh good evening Council jethra Carpenter I appreciate you guys his time and have here and it's she been pretty informed meeting which is good
um so we met on site and I guess just to prove to be forthright so I came here myself um typically we'd have I our engineer and surveyor if you guys have any
questions so basically guess if you guys have a bunch of questions that I'm not able to answer I would appreciate it being tabled until March that's um because they're not able to attend more than happy to answer any questions that you guys have um we met out on site we
had a previous top graphel divide that was um determined by Britney that it just a definition top graide um I'm not sure that she was able to completely understand what she was
looking for um we met on site I kind of showed the lay of the land and you guys the ability to to see it um to help put in perspective I'm happy to answer any questions or anything that anybody has does the council have any questions
for Jeth R I don't think so I mean were we all on site that day I think so I could make it that day oh yeah but I've been out there many times yeah um I guess I don't have any questions I
think at this point though um after being on with everybody walking around um there is obviously um you know um I would say a wide range of
interpretation on where this divide is you know and after walking the site and stuff too um everything does not appear to line up um with what the city had previously said and so I guess at this point rather
than us making a decision I guess what I'd like to see is you know use our um you know engineering firm wsn as the city to go out there or to overlook what
both parties have presented and seeing where the discrepancies are and coming up with the ruling for us you know which one's right which one's accurate or neither one of them are accurate but do that for us because there is um such a
vast difference between the two um something has to be off you know and uh for you guys to do the ruling but you know Jethro that would be at your cost not the cost of the city so I would that's what I would like to see happen
is you know we have wsn let's let's have them Overlook the project for us and come back to us when that's done and and kind of give us the ruin and maybe Tom has some feedback or comment on on this just to what you just suggested there if
if if you want to engage width to do the work at the applicant's expense that it seems like wets should give a whether they can do the work and B what it would cost so that Jethro has got eyes wide open as to what that cost would be before you engage it sure
yep yeah I mean woodu can provide a proposal to go out basically what we would have to to Topo that property and uh provide that information and verify what's out there the the issue is
is we're we're not tooing the pre-existing condition we're tooing what's there now so that's where the discussion is going to be as to are we comparing apples and apples or is this going to be a little bit different I
think we had a good opportunity to understand what the difference was of pre-existing condition versus what was presume to be an altered landscape or uh construction activities actually taking place when we as we walked the
site we saw that was evidence that there was not yeah there's you know when we walked it you could see that nothing was really Disturbed it's all Native ground where where this line goes when we were out there so there's
not other than the road going through you know the driveway there it is all natural pregador in this I guess what we can do then is WTH can prepare a proposal and I don't know if you want me to go through
Jenny or send it to Stephen stepen or yeah proposal to do the work yeah that then would be shared with jet shared with decide if that's acceptable or not right so I think if I could one of the
challenges with this is that I don't believe there is a prescribed process meaning there's not one way to do this so you're getting variances because there's just a an applied professional judgment that is um offered here from
different individuals and so um I mean the council can contract with witth and what you determine is what we all move forward with it's an option but I think that's the reason for the well this one said one this approach was used one way and then we have a different approach
now that's being requested to be considered so I just don't think there's one one exact way to only one way to do it which is part of the complexity with this so it does seem like this proposal once once a bill and would set put it
together that if it if it sources was even it should come before the sure and for Jethro to be here at that meeting so you're you're engaging the work but he's agreeing to pay for it right but then also too you know with
that because of the you know the complexity with it you know for wsn to present to us you know this is how you're going to do it why you would do it you know for the most accurate results and this is the way that it was done the first time this is the way it
was done the second time and kind of we're you know show us where the discrepancy lies or how we' get two very contrasting reports yeah I mean there was an engineer that provided some of
the information on there and there was the surveyor so there's different there's information that we're going to either well we're not going to be the same probably because that's just generally the way it works out but yeah it's stuff that we're going to have to
compare right but I think that's the only way to kind of finally put this issue to bed is you know just you know Jeth we haven't heard from you about is this the route that you'd like to go um I I guess in my opinion um a
couple things right so I think there's a misconception that one was prepared there was only one professional that prepared a a topc divide and that was our engineer the other one was provided by um Bethany which is a city planner
which is not an engineer um I have no issues paying WID Seth to go out there and shoot the property I have no issues for he them to um look at it I'm my own personal opinion I like numbers don't
lie right so you have the surveyor out there he's going to get the same exact information as what we currently have um but again like if it if if that's what the council's um
would like to see I'm happy to provide I mean everything within uh um reason and I'm sure that with Seth is a fair fair deal that they would uh charge normal rates and it would be fine but I think
it might be I just there's only one professional engineered company that did it now um the surveying was done by our surveyor because our surveyor local and they
provided the information to Westwood um which is pretty standard procedure right I mean it isn't it that I I would think it would be pretty sand procedure that you could take the surveying
from um Land Design Services without having to go redo a too but it but again like I I'm not an engineer and not a surveyor so I don't know I'm kind of just trying to figure it out same as everybody else right so I think
one of the issues might be for that property is that the survey at least the parts that I saw was not all inclusive the entire parcel there were some gaps in there which is where the survey that wood Seth would propose on would would
Encompass the entire property and then then that divide could be verified if you guys need more more shots than what it was I mean I personally seen it and there was hundreds of shots um and most of them
are specific to your right it doesn't Encompass the entire property it also doesn't Encompass the neighbor property but um the top graph is pretty defined within reason right so I'm not sure that this property is 16 Acres I I mean shots
a th000 ft away I I don't what's the relevance of it right I mean um I I'm not sure that that's necessary but if that's what the council deems necessary I'm not here to um argue about
it I just want to figure out a way a path forward to make sure that this was done correctly it it just if um in the there's some uh messages were sent and they talked about the city
coming out and seeing it just to be clear the first time that anybody's been on that property that I know of I mean they they could have gone on there without but we had that meeting was the first time a Planning Commission or a council member
has been on that property the first time we went previously just like a last month right that um actually there was a walk through many years ago on that property but not with me being there right and you weren't the owner of the property at the time oh I see and yes
yeah that would probably be um accurate because I wasn't the owner but um again I'm happy to provide whatever if that's what you guys deem necessary yes we do have someone online
that would like to comment whenever that whenever you're ready so okay any other questions or comments right now with Jeth otherwise we can go to the person online yeah no I do Stephen um yes
to your recollection who from the planet commission made a site visit I I can't recall any of them saying that they had made a site visit but originally from 2019 that was a number of years ago the original pling
I'm just members of that body I know well you were at the Planning Commission and when I it was my second to last meeting I was liaison for pnz and was brought up then um can you just give a quick synopsis as to why the Planning
Commission at that time for everybody's refresh memory um made the case for the denial I can look at the minutes here oh sorry I'm not trying to put you on the spot I thought maybe you have it off hand but there's a lot of opinion based on
this right and wrongly deployed discretion I would say um it's different when you lay eyes on something you can see that something's not been altered um especially when you look at that property and you look at where
gravity is going to flow um it's pretty reasonable to use common sense and to be able to look at something and if you set a ball on a counter and it's going to flow one way
or the other it's pretty apparent that gravity's pulling it in One Direction or the other and on this piece of property until having eyes on that land and seeing where the Topo is drawn at it's only discretion and it and it's
it's opinion and sadly um unless those type of steps are made to be able to get out there and actually have boots on the ground ability to witness what that land looks like unaltered as I think the majority of us
were under the oppression that it was right um it's pretty tough tough one to uh to not be on the same page about right I did locate the minutes if you'd like me to kind of summarize the the
discussion there um a lot of conversation was had around uh the plotting process back in uh 2021 um how this had not been contested at that time and if there was a problem with the determination as determined by City
staff and corroborated by the DNR and approved um why that wasn't brought forward at the original platting time to be feted out and discussed prior to that plat approval um in summary that's how the minutes flow and and result in the
motion okay yeah and just a recap from being at the meeting there's a lot of discussion talked about the grading that had been done and how it had been altered and when we for your knowledge Mark when we walked out there there wasn't grading done it it actually hasn't been altered
it's it's virgin so so I don't you know where the where the grading was discussed or whatever that wasn't a relative thing when we walked this like okay should we turn it over to Paul online Paul can you hear us yes I can
hear you can you hear me okay you can go ahead yeah uh thank first of all I want to say thank you for allowing me to participate remotely verying during uh through Zoom it's very convenient for me I don't think anyone want to sit next to me with this cold uh tonight
uh uh so I appreciate the opportunity I I just think we need to step back a little bit and uh recall what we're talking about here uh uh Mr Carpenter uh contends that uh the prior planning Comm
uh staff uh the in the city made a mistake because of their uh uh what he's implying is that they didn't have the knowledge or that otherwise they were incompetent or something and that's just not true there is no statutory requirement regarding the how the top
graph divide is determined either in the ordinance of the state of Minnesota there are many many methods on how to determine the topographic divide in the development uh Mr Carpenter is a professional developer and he was represented by professional surveyors
and uh site planners and developers as well everyone is very well aware of the issue and the ramifications the determination of top cifal divide the Divide was determined by the city based on the survey information provided by the developer that's typical
and that's the determination was made based on the best information that was available at the time using reasonable methods and procedures and a common uh methods and procedures and that was completely appropriate at the time the city uh planner even went out to the DNR and
confirmed and the DNR in an email back to the city confirmed that the pro that the the determination was appropriate and should be used for the development of this parcel there was nothing wrong and no mistake made now Mr Carpenter
presents additional more detailed survey information which allows for a different methodology to be used an alternative methodology but that doesn't mean that there was a mistake made or that there was some sort of error made it just means that there was another alternative method that he could have presented at
the time but he did not instead he chose to rely on the determination that was made proceed with the finalizing of the plat that determination included the disc included many factors that relied on the the number of lots that were in
the plat remember that divide determination determine the number of PL the number of lots in the plat I can get into some of those those decisions in the plat discussion the final the approval of the plat and I
think that's what the Planning Commission was getting at there are many issues that were decided during the final during the the determination approval of the plat that were based on the determinations made and if the topographic divide had
been changed or different the outcome of the plat approval would also have been different so coming back now at this point I ask what is the justification for changing the Divide determination when there was no error you're changing
a determination was properly and reasonably made by the city and approved by the DNR there's no provision in the statute or in the or city ordinance allowing such a change your Planning Commission itself unanimously recommended that the city
council deny this request the Planning Commission determinations the planning commissioner presumably are experts in this matter have worked for many years talking about this specific development and the specific plat unanimously
recommended to the city council but they deny this recommendation the discussion about whether the land has been altered changed uh whether there more detailed uh uh methods of determination of the uh
top The Divide is really absolutely irrelevant to any of this conversation I mean imagine the precedent You' be setting allowing a developer to come in years later to change fact determinations in order to change uh the shoreline regulations that
apply to the development after the fact that the plat has been been uh finalized Mr Carpenter could have challenged The Divide determination of the time but he didn't he accepted it and relied on it proceeded to build
roads build paths build homes sell homes develop uh build boardwalks peers started to develop the land and now wants to add another lot to the L to the Lots on Roy Lake obviously it's valuable to it would be valuable to him
to add an extra lot to sell but it would also have changed if he had done it at the time of the plat would have changed this perhaps uh for example the the need to build public roads to his Lots remember the the shape of this lot that he's even talking about
has a strange uh the shape of it has a strange uh arm tangent arm that stretches way out to the uh to the to Roy Lane to provide the driveway access during the planning process it was there detailed discussions about whether Mr
Carpenter would required to install roads according to City standards he came back with a plat with fewer Lots so that he could avoid putting public roads into the L plot but you're allowing him now you
would if you change this divide to not to avoid having to put in public roads and instead rely on the strange um uh common driveway which doesn't meet any code standards I mean the lot certainly has
right angles and so forth that would not be author not be allowed in the uh plotting process the Planning Commission reached the right decision when it unanimously recommended to you that you deny this uh
request and I don't see any uh any basis uh which to review it or change it Mr carpon hasn't present any author authorization any support or justification for the change other than
sure he would like to add another lot like to split the the lot into two the Roy the lot on Roy Lake into two yeah we I've never suggested that the developer can't do whatever he wants with his land as long as he
complies with the ordinances of the city of nisah and the and the statues of the state of Minnesota I think we have to be very careful here this is very sensitive land it is um a complicated land oddly shaped between two Lakes one a natural
environment lake with wetlands and swamps and Bluffs and steep hills and that's U and the ordinances have uh prevented the development of an excessive amount of
lots and I just asked that the city council seriously consider the justification for allowing a developer to come back years later and alter the facts that were properly determined at the time of the plotting process uh in order to
basically circumvent the planning process and uh squeeze in yet another lot into the development that uh initially wasn't uh wasn't authorized again uh love to ask you any question questions that you have but oh I during
your conversation you talked about whether or not the Planning Commission had visited the site uh I I do recall that whether it was uh Mr Carpenter or the previous developer and so forth that absolutely the Planning Commission had visited the site on if not one in
multiple occasions for different uh discussions and so forth the Planning Commission discussed this lot this development numerous times and was very very well aware of the site condition of the development so with that I would say
thank you for your time and and your attention own the property thank you Paul does anyone have any questions for Paul no I would I would say you know the only comment with that that's all the more why have wsn come out here there's no statute of limitations on finding the
truth and the accurate information on this property and that's all that we're trying to do as a council so what I said at the beginning of the meeting is only confirmed by that let's have wsn move forward with a proposal that Mr Carpenter would agree to pay so we can
put this to bed and rest once and for all because um you know all the emotion heay on this has just gone on too long too many years and we just need to get to the truth and and put it to bed so uh yeah even further Jo Joe's point there
um simply the background of this even in your Memo from November 24th to to the December meeting City this wi has been asked to review a topographic divide determination made by the city and approved by the DNR in 2019 reviewing it
I have no reason to not be able to see that through especially on the basis of walking it and seeing that there's no way that there's water flowing from one one side of that Hill into the lake on the other side of it there there after being on site it's
a clear it's it's clear that there's there's something off you know so do we need a motion for this but it's it's pretty obvious yes I would so I wouldest we want to make a motion on we we to make a motion to have
the have wood said prepare a proposal to bring to the council in March for consideration yeah I I would say I I'll make a motion that if in March well for the proposal yes yeah if Mr Carpenter would continue to want to move forward
with this The Proposal would be that he would um get the proposal from wsn once they have presented it to the city council and we've overlooked it you know and approved it to have Stephen
present it to you in March so meaning that we're comfortable with the way that they're going to provide the information and put it together we'd review that March give it to Stephen and he' propose it to you so that's that's the motion I'd make on the next steps moving
forward who's the client though um Mr Carpenter would be the client I think the city's the client he's just agreeing to pay the bill agreeing to pay the bill okay if that's the way it should be worded then y yep
okay do we have a second all second any further discussion okay all those in favor signify by saying I I I okay motion carries you're Anno
good thank you Mr car yeah thank you guys guys uh really put the time in here that's for sure warm yeah one more day and I thank you everyone okay next up our Council and Lea
reports um I just have two quick things one we did our brainstorm with the staff um and Terry the manager of the pickle and City staff and we'll have more presentation on that at the retreat next Tuesday so I won't take up any more time tonight on that um and then the second
thing is um we had talked about finding a vehicle to get more information out to Residents business owners whatnot and talked about doing a newsletter uh the most economical way would be to do an email newsletter um which I think is something we'd like to do moving forward
but for getting that first one off the ground the idea would be to do a mailed newsletter so we can get people to sign up for the email newsletter right make people aware of it um and so just wanted to get thoughts um and if the council would be okay if we aim to do like a
first printed newsletter in April not to spend more than call it 5,000 um which Jenny said we have available in funds and then we would do an email newsletter from there on forward I'm all for it I'm all for it it
I would just say that um we would want it to Residents yes and business owners you know that we even though that they're not a resident that whoever is doing business in the city would be informed of it yeah and we we've gotten
a couple of bids on again everyone that pays taxes here right so people that own the buildings as well yep yep yeah y okay perfect that's all I have um I'll start member Frey will'll start with you uh parks and recck had a very good
meeting this this month um main topic was the the ice rink um and we will be bringing forth information in a open meeting before the March council meeting um parks and W
needs Direction and action from the council so Parks and Rec needs money yeah how do we get them money that's been discussed too there's we will see hopefully we can find different foundations and different
people I mean to hijack your point but like we discussed uh with Minnesota hockey day coming to brainer ultimately bir in 2027 I had an opportunity to speak with the committee chair that helped
uh really drive that committee to get hockey day Minnesota to commit which is ultimately the Minnesota Wild yeah which then ultimately he relayed to me about our project that we would like to try to see done hockey related specifically not the rest of the park um the Minnesota
Wild Foundation I believe that's the name of it he stated that uh that would be a phenomenal conduit for us to be able to try to get support from them it's a great way to be able to increase exposure Minnesota hockey day alone but
even leading up to that um could be a facility that hosts a high school hockey game that's a part of Minnesota hockey day as well um could be a good opportunity so I'm going to be getting more information when he returns from his vacation and uh happy to relay that
to Amber and Jenny and yourself good anything else nope that's all I have okay BR it this okay sounds sounds good ccil member do you have anything nothing okay um last thing is we just
have noted the upcoming meetings and commissions and with that we are will accept a motion to adjourn so moved second all right a motion to adjourn is not debatable