>> THERE WE GO THANK YOU.  PEOPLE.  >> ALL RIGHT GOOD MORNING  TODAY IS MONDAY JUNE 3RD 2024.  IT IS 09:00AM AND WE ARE IN  THE CITY CHAMBERS AND I CALL  THIS CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP  TO ORDER. THIS IS A HYBRID  MEETING. THIS MEETING HAS BEEN  PROPERLY NOTICED AND WILL BE  CONDUCTED AS A HYBRID MEETING  REQUIRING THE USE OF  COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA  TECHNOLOGY. A PHYSICAL QUORUM  OF VOTING MEMBERS IS PRESENT.  AND CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS,  A HYBRID MEETING ALLOWS VOTING  MEMBERS TO ATTEND AND  PARTICIPATE WITHOUT BEING  PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE ROOM  WITH HIS IS CONVENING SO ROLL  CALL HAVE MYSELF MAYOR WHITE  VICE MAYOR STOKES  COMMISSIONER. LANGDON AND  COMMISSIONER.  >> MCDOWELL. AND SO WILL READ  FROM I WILL HEAR FROM  COMMISSIONER  >> HAS AUTHORIZED BY CITY  COMMISSION POLICY 0.21 DASH  10. I AM ATTENDING THE HYBRID  MEETING VIA COMMUNICATIONS  MEDIA TECHNOLOGY. I'M  EXPERIENCING A MEDICAL  CONDITION, INCLUDING MANY  DISABILITIES PREVENTING ME  FROM ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN  PERSON AT THIS TIME, THANK  YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  USE OF CMT FOR THIS HYBRID  BACK IN. ALL RIGHT SO THAT  MOTION WAS MADE BY VICE MAYOR  STOKE SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON AND WE WILL DO A  VOICE. VICE MAYOR VICE MAYOR S  MAYOR ZS LANGDON SAY 1000 UP.  >> AND RICHES, ALL RIGHT SO  THAT PASSES FOR 2. ONE  COMMISSIONER DOWN DO YOU WANT  TO SPEAK TO THAT. WHAT IT NOW  OKAY. ALSO PRESENT WE HAVE  CITY MANAGER FLETCHER  ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY GOING.  ASSISTANT CITY CLERK POWELL  BOARD SPECIAL US BOEHNER I'M  SORRY DIDN'T CHECK. YES PLEASE  CHIEF HARRISON IS BACK THERE  AND DO WE HAVE A FIRE FIRE  CHIEF TITUS THANK YOU THANK  YOU FOR YOUR HAND. I'M GOING  TO CALL ON TOW CARS IS THAT  OKAY JUST THE LATEST IN THE  PLEDGE.  >> ALL RIGHT AND GIVE YOU A  HEADS UP I UNITED STATES OF  AMERICA ONE NATION UNDER GOD  INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND  FOR ALL. THANK YOU CAN.  >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC WE DO  A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING  WE'LL START WITH THE VOICE  MAILS.  >> IT PUBLIC COMMENT ALL  TAKING IN STALLED THE GROUND  AND APPEARS TO BE OVERREACH  THE PART OF IN NATION BUT TO  ABLE AND I THINK IN THE IT  WHAT YOU  >> AND INTO ON I HIM ABOUT  LIKE PERSON AND COMMUNITY  THINK THE TO AND AND TO KEEP  AD IN THAT MAKE AND HE ACTION  AND I HELP ACTUALLY AND THE  FOR OVER THE COUPLE AND I WAS  LITTLE  >> A LITTLE 2, 2, AND I'M  CALLING ABOUT THE MEETING  TODAY ON MUCH ACCORDING WHEN  THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PURCHASE  HOLES. I HOPE THAT THE  COMMISSIONERS WANT TO IN THE  AUDIENCE AND CHANGING THE  REZONING CAN THAT HOME'S WE  NEED TO UNDERSTAND BE MORE  SUPPORTIVE  OUR STUDENTS SHARE THE  DEVELOPERS THAT DEVELOPERS  CHAIN TO WANT YOU KNOW, A WAY  KNOW WHY WHY. BUT WE NEED TO  PLANNING AND LISTENING THE  SENATE THAT WE ARE BUILDING  LARGE TOWN IN THE RIGHT  DIRECTION CONSIDERING  EVERYTHING NOT JUST THE  DEVELOPERS. THANK YOU.  >> SO THAT IS OVER BOY SMELL I  WILL DO COMMENTS. AGO. GOOD  MORNING WE'RE ABOUT TO BEGIN  AN IMPORTANT SESSION ON THE  FUTURE OF OUR FAIR CITY, THE  COMP PLAN AND YOU KNOW WE SEE  ARE IN THE MEAN GOOD PROGRESS.  COUPLE GLARING ERRORS. YOU  SERVING UP A LONGSTANDING  SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS BY  THE MEDIUM AND HIGH-DENSITY  CORRIDOR ZONES, INCLUDING THE  PROCESS HALF MILE AND 1.5 MILE  PROVISIONS ARE THE YEARS. THE  CITY CAN AND SHOULD MOVE  FORWARD WITHOUT ARMING THESE  PRECIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE  PEOPLE THAT RESIDE IN THEM.  CITIES GOVERNANCE SYSTEM  PROVIDES A WAY TO STOP THESE  MISTAKES BEING MADE THE CITY  COMMISSIONERS ELECTED BY THE  VERY PEOPLE IN THESE.  NEIGHBORHOOD CAN AND SHOULD  TAKE THE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO  REMEDY THESE POTENTIAL HARMS  TO THEIR VOTERS. THE PUBLIC  OUTCRY OVER THESE AREAS HAS  BEEN OVERWHELMING TO PRO JAMES  MADISON, THE RIGHTS OF PERSONS  AND THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY ARE  THE OBJECTS FOR PROTECTION OF  WHICH THE GOVERNMENT WAS  INSTITUTED. YOU HAVE A  WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE  YOU'RE WORTHY OF YOUR  POSITION. WELL YOUR LEGACY BE  THAT COMMISSION THAT PART OF  THE VERY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT  VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE OR WILL  YOUR LEGACY. THE COMMISSION  THAT LISTEN TO YOUR VOTERS AND  PROTECTED THANK YOU. DAVID I'M  READING TO OPPOSE THE DRASTIC  REZONING OF THE CITY FOR THE  BENEFIT OF DEVELOPERS AT THE  COST OF THE RESIDENTS QUALITY  OF LIFE. THE PROPOSED MEDIUM  DENSITY CORRIDOR HIGH-DENSITY  CORRIDORS DESIGNATIONS WILL  WITHOUT QUESTION WE NEED TO  KNOW AS YOUR DIRTIER AND LESS  SAFE NEIGHBORS. DECREASING  HOMEOWNER PROPERTY VALUES. THE  CREATION OF ACTIVITY CENTER 7  BE IS YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY  THE CITY TO STILL ARE FROM THE  PEOPLE. THE REZONING OF ITALY  AVENUE PARCEL AS A FAT FROM  THE CHILDREN OF THE CITY.  COMMISSIONERS LANGDON STOKES  AND AVERAGE OR IT IN THEIR  DUTY TO REPRESENT COURT. THE  PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS WORKING  ON BEHALF OF OF THE DEVELOPERS  NOT PEOPLE THE CITY. THE  NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING  DESIGNATIONS REPRESENTED AN  ATTEMPT AT BALANCE AND SHOULD  BE RESTORED. THE MDC AND HTC  ZONING DESIGNATIONS ARE  DISGRACEFUL TESTAMENT TO THE  GOVERNMENT PROMPTED BY SPECIAL  AND INTERESTS DISGRACEFUL. YOU  KNOW YOU NOT. PLEASE DO NOT  APPROVE THE CHANGES THAT WILL  ONLY ALTER WAY FOR CURRENT  RESIDENTS IN PORT. WE DO KNOW  EMERGED ON SINGLE-FAMILY  NEIGHBORHOODS. PLEASE GET  CITIZEN INPUT FOR SACRIFICING  OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE  NAME OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.  ONLY WILL BE ABUSED BY  DEVELOPERS TO PUSH FOR  PROJECTS THAT ARE  INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.  THERE ARE SO MANY EXAMPLES OF  THIS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.  YOUR FIRST OBLIGATION IS TO  YOUR CONSTITUENCY AND WE WILL  NOT SUPPORT YOU IF YOU CANNOT  LOOK OUT FOR OUR BEST  INTERESTS. PRIORITIZE CURRENT  RESIDENTS AND KEEP MEDIUM AND  HIGH DENSITY OUT OF  SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.  THANK  WELL ONCE AND I MEAN GENERAL  PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING CITY  NOTIFICATIONS TO THE CITIZENS  OF PORT WHERE AND THEIR  PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE AFFECTED  BY LARGER DEVELOPMENTS RE  ZONES AMENDMENTS RESOLUTIONS,  ORDINANCE ETCETERA OVER 10  ACRES. I KNOW THAT THE CITY  FEELS THAT THEY'RE ABIDING BY  THE REQUIRED STATE STATUTES,  HOWEVER IF WE'RE TRULY A CITY  OF UNITY AS MARKETED OR OUT.  THE CITY CAN AND MUST DO  BETTER THE WIDESPREAD FEELING  THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND  NOT JUST. MINORITY HAS ALWAYS  REFERRED TO IS THAT THEY  CONTINUALLY BEING BLINDSIDED  AND NOT GIVEN AMPLE  OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR  CONCERNS. THERE'S NOTHING IN  THE STATE STATUTE THAT  PREVENTS A MUNICIPALITY FROM  GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE  STATE ID REQUIREMENTS. PLEASE  CONSIDER CHANGING THE  NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT IN  ORDER TO ALLOW FOR PROPER  CITIZEN PARTICIPATION WITH  WITH GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU.  SANDRA PRIZE OR GOOD MORNING  MOST CITY RESIDENTS DO NOT  WANT THE PROPOSED PLAN TO  REZONE WE WISH TO HAVE OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS REMAIN INTACT.  MY HUSBAND AND I CHOSE PORT  OVER OTHER AREAS DUE TO  HOMETOWN FEEL THIS PLAN WILL  DESTROY HARD WORKER A  SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WE DO  NOT WANT BUSINESSES IN OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS. WE WILL  REMEMBER THIS AT ELECTION AND  THAT'S ALL COMMENT NOW OR.  PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S AN  AUDIENCE JOSH SMITH. YOU HAVE  3 MINUTES.  >> THE JUST LIVE ON ON. I KNOW  THAT YOU GUYS IDEA OF SPEND  ALL DAY HERE IN CITY HALL. YOU  KNOW YOU WORK WITH STAFF EVERY  DAY. I KNOW THAT THEY'VE  REALLY TRIED HARD TO MAKE THE  DOCUMENT MAKES SENSE. I KNOW  THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH  WAYS AND SOLVE PROBLEMS. AND I  KNOW THAT EVERY TIME YOU GUYS  GET DONATIONS FROM YOU KNOW, I  KNOW IT'S A GIANT HILL TO  STAND ON. BUT I REALLY WANT  YOU REMEMBER THAT THE  CITIZENS, COME OUT IN FORCE  AND ASKED YOU REALLY TAKE A  LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT AND HELP  US KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. NOT  SO SAY ALL OF THE CITY TO MEET  SOME MAGICAL COMMERCIAL  NUMBER. I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT  TO DO SOMETHING. THERE WERE  COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONE SET  UP. AND I JUST I DON'T  UNDERSTAND HOW. WE CONTINUE TO  JUST NOT LISTEN TO THE  CITIZENS. PLEASE TAKE THIS  OPPORTUNITY THIS IS A GREAT  WORKSHOP. HOPEFULLY WE LEARN  SOME THINGS FROM CITY STAFF  AND JUST PLEASE KEEP IN MIND  THAT WE KEEP SHOWING UP WE  KEEP COMMENTING AND WE DO  STILL EXIST, THANK YOU VERY  MUCH. THANK YOU. WHEN LIMBO  TELL  >> MORNING. MY NAME IS LINDA  MY HUSBAND AND I ARE  RELATIVELY DUE TO PORT IN  2017, WE BOUGHT A DOUBLE LOT  ON THE KOCH WATERWAY SPEAK  JULIE BELLIA AND OTHERS IN THE  IN THE TOWN OR PROPERTY AS WE  HAD A HARD TIME GETTING IT  BACK APPROVAL. WE WANTED TO  PUT IT BACK IN A KAYAK LAUNCH  OFF THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY I  ARE AVID KAYAKER IS IN WE  PICKED IN THE COCOA PALM AFTER  VIEWING CITY BROCHURES  PROMOTING THE WATERWAYS AND  NOW SYSTEMS IN OUR CITY.  COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT I DO  NOT WANT ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF  THE CURRENT REZONING FOR THE  FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT.  WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ALONG  HILLSBOROUGH INITIALLY CALLED  MIXES OR IN PINK AND THEN THE  REZONE MAP NOW CALLED CORRIDOR  IN THE LIGHT TAN WELL ALLOW  FOR 50 FOOT BUILDINGS TO BE  LOOKING DOWN AT OUR HOME AND  THE COCA PLANT 50 FEET 5  STORIES. WHAT IS NOW BEING  REFERRED TO AS CORRIDOR  TRANSITIONAL ALONG  HILLSBOROUGH CRANBERRY  CHAMBERLAIN AND ALL THE OTHER  IT ERODES AND THE 100 FOOT  CORRIDOR DESIGNATION ON PRICE.  THAT'S 10 STORIES HIGH. WILL  DISINTEGRATE RESIDENTIAL  NEIGHBORHOODS IN TOWN.  WHAT ARE YOU GAINING. WHY THE  RUSH. IT IS BECAUSE IS IT  BECAUSE OF BILL 1628. THAT WAS  SIGNED INTO LAW IN MAY THAT  1628 IS GOING MANDATE CITIES.  PROVIDE A BUSINESS IMPACT  STATEMENT TO THE STATE OF  FLORIDA PRIOR TO ADOPTING.  PROVED THAT ANY LAND USE  CHANGE WILL PROVIDE A  MEASURABLE BENEFIT TO THE  CITIZENS. 1628 WAS PASSED  BECAUSE DEVELOPERS HAVE TOO  MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT IS  HAPPENING TO OUR LAND AND  OBVIOUSLY WHAT IS HAPPENING IN  PORT. I WAS HERE TILL 02:30AM  ON TUESDAY. I HEARD TELL US  CITIZENS GET UP AND SPEAK. THE  COMMISSIONERS HERE THE A  SINGLE. PERSON SPOKE IN FAVOR  OF THE NEW U OF L T T ARE THE  FUTURE LAND  USE AMENDMENT. DID YOU HEAR  THE CITIZENS ARE NOT IN FAVOR.  THEY DO NOT WANT YOU WHAT YOU  ARE PROPOSING. AND THEY DO NOT  WANT TO BE RUSHED. LAST  TUESDAY WAS THE FIRST PUBLIC  READING OF THESE AMENDMENTS. I  PERSONALLY DO NOT WANT TO LOOK  AT A 50 FOOT BUILDING TO MY  BALL LAST FROM MY HOME. PAT  AND I ARE AWARE ACROSS THE WAY  WAS BOUND TO GET DEVELOPED,  BUT IT WAS OWN SINGLE FAMILY.  EVEN CHUCK SPEAKE SAID THAT HE  NEEDED MORE ACCESS TO THE  COCOA PALM AND ALL THE WATER  WAYS TO MAINTAIN THE CANALS  AND THE WATER STRUCTURES, YOUR  DESIGNATION DOES NOT PROMOTE  CONSERVATIVE IT. CONSERVATION  OF OUR WATER SUPPLY OR ACCESS  TO IT. COMMISSIONERS PLEASE  TAKE THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT  WHAT YOU ARE VOTING AT THE WAY  THE CHANGES ARE PROPOSED  CURRENTLY WILL RUIN THOUSANDS  OF PORT CITIZENS LIVES,  INCLUDING MINE.  >> TOOK MORNING MADE A  SACRIFICE AND GOT OFF. DURING  THE 9/6/2022 WORKSHOP THE  TIMELINE FOR THE ULDC WAS  DISCUSS PART OF THAT  DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE  FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT WILL  STATED THAT BECAUSE THE ULDC  WAS GOING TO BE UPDATED. IT  WOULD AFFECT THE FUTURE LAND  USE MAP. THE DISCUSSION ABOUT  THE FACT THAT THE FUTURE LAND  USE MAP. WE HAVE WORKSHOPS TO  DISCUSS THE REVISED MAP FOR  THE CURRENT COMMISSIONERS WERE  IN ATTENDANCE AT THIS  WORKSHOP. COMMISSIONER STOKES  WAS IN THE AUDIENCE AS A  CITIZEN OF THAT MEETING THE  FACT THAT THE WORKSHOPS FOR  THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WERE  DISCUSSED AND WORKSHOPS  MENTIONED THAT WAS ME AS TO  WHY WE NEVER WERE OFFERED A  CHANCE TO SEE THE FUTURE LAND  USE MAP BEFORE IT WAS  PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST  HEARING. IT SEEMS MOST OF THE  REZONING. THE MAJORITY OF THE  RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT  WILL BE WHAT IS ALLOWED IN THE  ALREADY ESTABLISHED  RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS,  ACCORDING TO THE TABLE  PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 6  2023 WORKSHOP. THE PROPOSED  COMMERCIAL WITH TOTAL UP TO  17%. THAT INCLUDED  NON-RESIDENTIAL OF 80.8 3%.  THAT WAS 547 ACRES IN THE  MIXED USE ONE WHICH IS NOW THE  CORRIDOR TRANSITIONAL AND  0.44% OF NON RESIDENTIAL OR  290 ACRES IN THE MIXED USE TO.  WHICH IS NOT A CORRIDOR  DISTRICT. IT TOTALS UP TO  1.27% WHICH IS A SMALL AMOUNT  TO REDUCED. FROM THAT 17%. IT  WOULD LOWER THAT 17% IF YOU  CHANGE SOME OF AREAS IN THOSE  NEIGHBORHOODS BACK TO  RESIDENTIAL AND KEPT SOME OF  AREAS IS I'M NOT RESIDENTIAL.  I DON'T SEE WHY SOME OF THOSE  NEIGHBORHOODS CAN BE REVISITED  AND CHANGED OUR 2 WAS MOST OF  THOSE AREAS HAVE A LARGE  ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. AND  THE LANGUAGE IN THE ZONING  DESCRIPTION FOR THE CORRIDOR  TRANSITIONAL IN CORRIDOR  INCLUDES AT ONE-HALF MILE AND  ONE. HALF-MILE LANGUAGE AND  THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT  CONTINUOUS AT IT. ALSO DURING  THAT SEPTEMBER 6 WORKSHOP IN  2022 CITY MANAGER FLETCHER WAS  REFERENCING ANOTHER AGENDA  ITEM DIFFERENT FROM THE ULDC  HE STATED THAT IF ALL 5  COMMISSIONERS WERE NOT ON  BOARD WITH ITEM X Y Z, LET'S  GO BACK AND FIX X Y Z. SO  EVERYONE IS ON BOARD LET'S FIX  X Y Z AND THIS REZONING SO  EVERYONE CAN BE IN ON BOARD  WITH THE ULDC I MOVED HERE  BECAUSE NORTH PORT WAS A SMALL  COMMUNITY AND HAD A LOT TREES  AND WHATNOT SO THIS IS NORTH  PORT'S NOT CAPE CORAL OR  ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA. IT WILL  BE NICE FOR THE CITY TO  PUBLISH AN POST THE ULDC FIRST  HEARING IN THE NEWSLETTER  WHERE THE FACEBOOK PAGE THAT  FACEBOOK PAGE HAS 34,000  FOLLOWERS. THEY ONLY HAVE A  CERTAIN REACH NOW AS I'VE BEEN  REMOVED FROM NEIGHBORHOOD  FACEBOOK PAGES BECAUSE I'VE  SHARED THESE REZONING ISSUES  AND NOW MY REACH IS LIMITED SO  IT WOULD BE NICE THE CITY,  LET'S CHEAT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO  IS POSTED YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE  AND PUSH IT OUT THAT  NEWSLETTER FOR THE FIRST  HEARING SOME MORE CITIZENS  WILL AWARE THAT THESE CHANGES  ON BANK THANK YOU. THAT IS ALL  FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON THEN  TOO. ITEM 2. DISCUSSION AND  POSSIBLE DIRECTION REGARDING  THE DRAFT OF THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU,  MADAM GOOD TO HAVE A STAFF  PRESENTATION REGARDING THE  FINAL CHAPTER THE INDICES THAT  WERE ATTACHED TO THAT WORKSHOP  INTENDED TO. WELL AS  OPPORTUNITY ITS TO THE  REGULATIONS PART OF THE FIRST  MEETING OF ADOPTION OF  ORDINANCES AND I WILL TURN THE  PRESENTATION OVER TO OUR  ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES  FLOORBOARDS.  >> GOOD MORNING MAYOR VICE  MAYOR COMMISSIONERS BOYS  AREN'T JUSTICE SYSTEM DIRECTOR  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.  >> PRESENTING A FINAL UNIFIED  LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WORKSHOP  BEFORE I GET IN TO THE  PRESENTATION THAT WAS PREPARED  AN ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA BACK  UP. I WANTED TO TOUCH ON A  COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT WERE  MENTIONED AT THE PUBLIC  HEARING LAST TUESDAY.  >> THE FIRST IS REGARDING THE  CORRIDOR FUTURE LAND USE  DESIGNATION. PRICE BOULEVARD.  FOR BACKGROUND.  >> COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FUTURE  LAND USE MAP DESIGNATIONS AND  ZONING DESIGNATIONS WELL THEY  ALIGN THEY ARE DIFFERENT. THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION  IS PROPOSED TO BE  HIGH-DENSITY. AND THAT IS  BECAUSE PRICE BOULEVARD IS AN  ARTERIAL ROAD AND THAT  CONDITION ALIGNS THOSE  PROPERTIES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR  WITH THE HIGH DENSITY.  CORRIDOR DESIGNATION. YOU ALL  BE MAY REMEMBER THAT THE CITY  IS PERMITTED TO APPLY MORE  RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS AND  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND  THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT WE HAVE  DON ALONG PRICE BOULEVARD. SO  CAR COULD YOU BRING THE SCREEN  A PLACE. THE PROPERTIES THAT  CONSISTENT BLOCK. ALONG PRICE  BOULEVARD ARE ACTUALLY PROPOSE  TO CT WHICH IS CORRIDOR  TRANSIT'S TRANSITIONAL THAT IS  LESS INTENSIVE ZONING AND THE  CORRIDORS TIMING THE ONLY  AREAS WHERE WE HAVE DESIGNATED  CORRIDOR ALONG PRICE. ARE  AREAS WHERE THERE ARE LARGER  TRUCKS ASSOCIATED WITH THE  PROPERTIES ALONG EACH. SO I  WANTED TO MENTION POINT OUT  THAT YES. THE HIGH DENSITY  CORRIDOR DESIGNATION APPLIES  ALL ALONG PRICE AND THAT  PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR  PROPERTY OWNER TO REQUEST TO  REZONE 2 CORRIDOR BUT IT DOES  NOT GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL  RECEIVE A CORRIDOR ZONING  DESIGNATION APPROVAL FROM CITY  COMMISSION.  >> ON THE OTHER THING THAT I  WANTED TO MENTION  >> AS PER THE MEETING ON  TUESDAY.  >> THIS UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE REWRITE HAS  BEEN CONTEMPLATED SINCE 2015.  >> WORKSHOP SPEAKING AND THEN  CURRENT EFFORT AND 2022. THE  COMBINED CHAPTERS THAT ARE  BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING HAVE  BEEN PRESENTED WORKSHOP. THEY  HAVE IMPROVED UPON HAVE AND  SLIGHTLY MODIFIED IN SOME  CASES TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY  OUTSIDE COUNSEL  RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'VE  IDENTIFIED SOME HOLES THAT  WERE NOT ADDRESSED BY THE  INITIAL PLANNER WHO WAS TASK  TO THIS PROJECT FROM THE  INITIATIVE. ONE OF THOSE ITEMS  SOME PROCESS DISCONNECTIONS IN  CHAPTER 2 WHICH HAVE IMPROVED  UPON SO THAT IT IS CLEAR. THE  ROLE OF OF THE DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW COMMITTEE THE PROCESS  THROUGH WHICH DEVELOPMENT  PETITIONS WILL BE REVIEWED AND  APPROVED. AND THE THE ULDC  ADMINISTRATOR, THE PLANNING  AND ZONING STAFF HEARING  OFFICER AND THE PLANNING AND  ZONING ADVISORY BOARD. ONE  CHANGE THAT YOU WILL SEE  COMING BETWEEN NOW AND THE  FINAL. FORMAL PRESENTATION OF  THE ULDC REGARDING HOUSE BILL.  ONE SEED AND SENATE BILL 2.50  THE CITY ATTORNEY OUTSIDE  COUNSEL HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT  WE CLEARLY REPRESENT. THE LAWS  OF FLORIDA CHAPTER AND SECTION  BECAUSE HOSPITALS AND SENATE  BILLS ARE REALLY USED YEAR  AFTER YEAR SO WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE THERE'S NO CONFUSION AND  THAT INSTANCE.  LASTLY WE  BELIEVE WE HAVE CAPTURED ALL  OF THE CONSENSUS. QUESTIONS  THAT HAVE AND THROUGHOUT THIS  PROCESS. WE HAVE UPDATED  CHAPTER 6 ACCORDING TO THE  CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP  INTERACTION. WE HAVE 2  CONSENSUS QUESTIONS FOR TODAY.  WON WAS DELAYED. I CITY  MENTION UNTIL YOU COULD SEE  THE ENTIRE PRODUCT AND I  UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF  NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.  PROVISIONS WERE INCORPORATED  ESPECIALLY REGARDING ZONING  DISTRICTS. WE DO INCORPORATING  CHAPTER FOR A TRANSITIONAL  DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE  PROPERTIES WITH NEW ZONING  DISTRICTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO  SINGLE FAMILY AND THOSE  INCLUDE BUILDING DESIGN  STANDARDS INCREASED OFFER  REQUIREMENT. BEFORE THIS  MORNING IS THE COMBINED ULDC  THE NEW INFORMATION FOR YOU  THIS MORNING IS PANDEMIC'S AND  AS I MENTIONED THAT WORKSHOP  ON CHAPTER 6 DEFINITIONS  APPENDIX IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL  AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE  THAT IF YOU CAN LOOK UP THE  MERRIAM-WEBSTER WE DO NOT NEED  TO DEFINE IT IN OUR SO MOSTLY  YOU WILL SEE TECHNICAL  DEFINITIONS AND THAT THE  PANDEMIC'S THE TECHNICAL  SPECIFICATIONS ARE THE  DETAILED TECHNICAL  SPECIFICATIONS REGARDING SITE  TO SIGN THAT PUBLIC WORKS  UTILIZES THERE HAS BEEN  DISCUSSION ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS  CREATING SEPARATE AND  ENGINEERING AND DESIGN  STANDARDS DOCUMENT WHICH IS  UNDER WAY, HOWEVER, COMPLETION  OF THAT DOCUMENT DOES NOT  ALIGN THE TIMELINE FOR THE  ULDC ADOPTION. SO THE  REGULATIONS IN THE PANDEMIC'S  ARE ON THE CURRENT UNIFIED  LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR THE  MOST PART. AND SOME CASES THEY  HAVE AND REORGANIZED AND  CLARIFIED THE STORM WATER  SPECIFICATIONS YOU WILL SEE  THERE ARE NO PATIENTS  REGARDING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE  100 YEAR FLOOD WHICH IS THE  DIRECTIONS CITY WANTS TO GO AS  FAR AS STORM WATER  REQUIREMENTS. THOSE ARE ALSO  NOTE HATED TO BE EFFECTIVE.  JULY FIRST 2027. WE WILL  REQUEST VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE  UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY MANDATE  HOUSE. WANT TO TALK A LITTLE  BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR  DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL. THE  CURRENT PROCESS FOR SIMPLE  SITE PLAN CAN TAKE UP TO 2  YEARS FROM APPLICATION TO  APPROVAL. AND THIS IS EVEN  WITH CONCURRENT REVIEW CYCLES.  THIS IS BECAUSE EVERY PROJECT  REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT  MASTER PLAN APPROVAL WITH  HEARINGS IN FRONT THE PLANNING  AND ZONING ADVISORY BOARD AND  CITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS  APPLICANT PERFORMANCE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. FOR A  SUBDIVISION WE'VE SEEN THESE  TAKE UP TO 3 YEARS FROM  APPLICATION TO APPROVAL. PRE  APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT MASTER  PLAN SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN  AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND  AGAIN THESE ALSO REQUIRE  APPLICANT PERFORMED A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. THE  DRAFT ULDC BEFORE PROPOSES  SITE PLANS THAT MEET THE ULDC  REQUIREMENTS, 100% AND ARE  REQUESTING ANY WAIVERS TO BE  APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY  THROUGH A TECHNICAL REVIEW,  THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW  COMMITTEE WITH FINAL APPROVAL  BEING GRANTED A THE  ADMINISTRATOR SUBJECT TO ALL  THOSE REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS.  SIGNING OFF THAT THE PLAN DOES  MEET ALL OF THE DESIGN  STANDARDS AND UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE. UNDER THE  PROPOSED PROJECT WE ANTICIPATE  A SIMPLE SITE PLAN WITH NO  WAIVER REQUESTS CAN BE  APPROVED LITTLE AS 4 MONTHS.  PROCESS FOR SITE PLAN WITH  WAIVERS. WHEN A WAIVER REQUEST  IS SUBMITTED WITH THE SITE  PLAN APPLICATION THAT WILL  INITIATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR  PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT WOULD BE  CALLED THE MASTER CONCEPT PLAN  UNDER THE CURRENT ULDC IS NOT  I'M VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE TO  THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT MASTER  PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.  FOLLOWING PUBLIC HEARINGS IN  FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND  ZONING ADVISORY OR CITY  COMMISSION. THE SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN WOULD BE APPROVED STAFF.  THIS PROCESS WOULD ALSO APPLY  TO THE HORIZONTAL MIXED  ALTERNATIVE FOR PROJECTS AND  ACTIVITIES HONORS AND MIXED  USE AREAS THAT YOU NOT WANT TO  PARTICULARLY INTEGRATE THEIR  RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.  >> AND WOULD ALSO APPLY TO.  VILLAGE AND. IT WOULD ALSO  APPLY TO VILLAGE REZONINGS.  DID I MENTION SPECIAL  EXCEPTIONS FIRST I THINK I  PROCESS FOR SUBDIVISION WE'D  BE LOOKING AT BETWEEN 6 MONTHS  TO ONE YEAR FROM APPLICATION  TO APPROVAL THE NEED TO FIND  LAND OUT UNDER UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT SUBDIVISIONS  PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT  WILL BE SUBMITTED TO HE'S HAD  ON CITY COMMISSION A PUBLIC  HEARING FOR APPROVAL AND THEN  THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN WOULD BE  APPROVED BY STAFF WITH THE  FINAL PLAT ON CITY COMMISSION  CONSENT. THE DEVELOPMENT  APPROVAL PROCESSES THAT ARE  INCORPORATED UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPED BASED  ON THE NORTH PORT'S A  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVISIONS  AND THE ECONOMIC. BELL AND  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT.  THERE ARE POLICIES THAT HAUL  FOR THE CITY TOO. INVESTIGATOR  MIKE ON A FINDING IT'S FOR  ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND  APPROVAL TO REVIEW THE CITY'S  REGULATORY PROCESSES TO  SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT  ACTIVITIES. TO PROVIDE  REGULATORY PROCESS IS TO HELP  INCREASE THE AVAILABLE  SHOVEL-READY SITES FOR  MANUFACTURING RESEARCH  DEVELOPMENT OFFICE.  DISTRIBUTION AND LIGHT  INDUSTRIAL USE AND TO IDENTIFY  POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT  UNNECESSARILY IMPEDE THE  PERMITTING PROCESS.  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR  THE CITY TO IDENTIFY NEW  POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO  STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND THE  ULDC INCORPORATE A STREAMLINED  PROCESS. AND THE DRAFT IT  EARLY AND IS SOMEONE THAT.  PART OF THE PLANNING FRAMEWORK  FOR SMART GROWTH AND ALSO  MAKING DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.  IT'S PREDICTABLE FAIR AND  COST-EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE.  WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION AS TO  WHETHER PROJECT WILL BE  APPROVED BECAUSE OF A PUBLIC  HEARING REQUIREMENT THAT MAKES  DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS LESS  PREDICTABLE AND APPLICANTS.  REPAIRS AIR SITE PLAN. IN SUCH  A MANNER THAT THEY COMPLY WITH  THE REGULATIONS. AND THEN THEY  STILL. HAVE QUESTIONS AS TO  WHETHER THEIR PROJECT WOULD  OBTAIN FINAL APPROVAL THROUGH  THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS  THAT'S NOT A PREDICTABLE.  DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO WE  HAVE PREPARED US BASED ON  COMPREHENSIVE AND POLICIES AS  WELL AS THE DRAFT EARLY IN THE  ON THAT. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT  TIME MONEY AND WHEN THE  DEVELOPMENT PROCESS SINCE  TAKEN SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF  TIME AND E. QUESTION AS TO  FINAL APPROVAL LINGERS  THROUGHOUT UP PROCESS. I'M  NOT. COST-EFFECTIVE  UNPREDICTABLE DEVELOPMENT  DECISIONS. IN ADDITION. WE  HAVE LOOKED AT MAKING THIS ON  IT'S ANOTHER LAND DEVELOPMENT  REGULATION SIMPLE TO USE AND  EASY TO READ. NOW I UNDERSTAND  THAT IT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOME  PEOPLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND  REGULATORY DOCUMENTS BUT IF  YOU LOOK PACKAGE THAT'S  PRESENTED TO YOU IN COMPARISON  TO OUR CURRENT IN 5 A MEN  HAVE. WE THINK THAT WE  PREPARED SOMETHING THAT IS  MORE EASY FOR THE COMMISSION.  GENERAL PUBLIC THE DEVELOPMENT  COMMUNITY AND OUR STAFF TOO.  ALTHOUGH AN INTER PRINT  BECAUSE IT INCLUDES MEASURABLE  STANDARDS INSTEAD OF  SUBJECTIVE LINE WHICH. IN THE  CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH  THE CITY COMMISSION DEVELOPS.  THERE ARE PRIORITIES AND  INDICATORS THAT HAVE.  IDENTIFIED THE CITY  COMMISSION'S VISION FOR THE  FUTURE OF ARE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH  MANAGEMENT. THE GOAL ANN'S TO  ACHIEVE A VIBRANT AND  DIVERSIFIED ECONOMY WITH A  MIXTURE OF SERVICES AND LOCAL  EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, I'M  GOING BACK TO OUR 90% NEED TO  WRITE. PRIORITY 9 CALLS FOR  THE CITY TO IMPROVE PROCESSES  AND REGULATIONS TO SUPPORT A  BUSINESS ON THAT OF INNOVATION  ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND  INVESTMENT AND IT ALSO CALLS  FOR AN OVERALL UPDATE TO THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  BY OCTOBER 2022. UNFORTUNATELY  WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HELP AT  ALL ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST  STARTED THE PROCESS IN  SEPTEMBER 2022. INDICATOR 9  COST IMPLEMENT A TRACK PER  PROGRAM FOR IDENTIFY ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.  >> WE ARE ON A STAFF LEVEL  WHAT WE CAN AND THAT REGARD  AND AS MUCH AS IF WE HAVE AN  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT  WE TRY TO MAKE A PRIORITY  THROUGH THE PLANNING.  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS AND  WE ARE ALLOWING FOR THOSE HIGH  PRO PROFILE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND  CURRENT BUILDING PERMIT  REVIEW. AND IF WE COULD REALLY  FAST TRACK. ALL TRACKS REALLY  ADMINISTRATIVE FOR THE REVIEW  PROCESS WE WOULD REALLY BE  MEETING THAT INDICATOR. TOP  PRIORITY TO ALMONDS TO  COMPLETE A CUSTOMER  STREAMLINED PERMITTING PROCESS  TO STIMULATE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT. AND POINT WON  SINCE 2 PROCESSING REVEALING  DEVELOPMENT PETITIONS UNDER  ESTABLISHED TIME WANTS 80% OF  THE TIME. UNDER THE FLORIDA  STATUTES WE HAVE A 180 DAYS TO  PROCESS APPLICATIONS THAT  REQUIRE PUBLIC HEARING  APPROVALS AND BECAUSE THE  PROCESS IS SO BURDENSOME.  WE'RE NOT MEETING THOSE  GUIDELINES ON A REGULAR BASIS.  THANKFULLY UNDER THE STATUTES  THERE IS A PROVISION 2  MUTUALLY AGREE WITH THE  APPLICANT TO EXTEND THAT FINDS  MOST OF THE TIME. APPLICANTS  WILL AGREE TO EXTEND THE  DEADLINES. DRAFT THAT'S BEFORE  YOU WE DO TO THE MASTER  CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS RATHER  THAN REQUIRING A MASTER  CONCEPT PLAN PROCESS FOR ALL  PROJECTS. IT WOULD BE LIMITED  TO THOSE PROJECTS. WITH THE  LIMITED TO THOSE PROJECTS OUR  REQUEST AND APPROVAL OF  WAIVERS TO THE UNIFIED  PROJECTS WHERE VERTICALLY  INTEGRATED MIXED USE IS  REQUIRED WE'VE BUILT IN A  HORIZONTAL MIXED USE  ALTERNATIVE. IT'S ABOUT WHAT  CAN THE PROJECT AUTOMATICALLY  COMES BEFORE THE CITY  COMMISSION. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS  WOULD REQUIRE THAT MONSTER  CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL AS WELL  AS DISTRICT 3 ZONES. MADAM  LEAVE IT TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE  TO TAKE IS CONSENSUS QUESTIONS  ONE BY ONE OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO  HAVE COMPLETE MY PRESENTATION  AND TAKE CARE OF CONSENSUS  QUESTIONS AT THE SAME TIME. I  THINK WILL DETERMINE BY ONE.  WHAT I THINK YEAH CAN STAY  FOCUSED. SO THE CONSENSUS  QUESTION IT'S THE SENATE  COMMISSION TO LIMIT THE  REQUIREMENT FOR MASTER CONCEPT  PLAN APPROVAL TO THAT STAFF  HAS IDENTIFIED. WAIVER  REQUESTS IN HORIZONTAL MIXED  USE ALTERNATIVE. VILLAGE  DISTRICT RESOUNDS AND SPECIAL  EXCEPTIONS. OR AS THE CITY  COMMISSION DIRECTION TO  REQUIRE THE MASTER CONCEPT  PLAN APPROVAL FOR ALL  PROJECTS. THAT'S THAT'S A  MOUTHFUL THERE.  >> AND NOT ON THE PAGE SO THAT  YOU THANK YOU GOES.  >> AND THE PEOPLE MYSELF BUT  THAT ALSO MADAM MAYOR, I'M NOT  SURE WHEN YOU WANTED TO DO  PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR THIS ITEM.  OKAY.  >> QUESTIONS FOR US.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. YOU  HAVE QUESTIONS.  >> QUESTIONS BUT AT SOME POINT  A HALF TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS  SIEMENS A. I DON'T KNOW ALL  WANT TO ON SHOULD THE PUBLIC  WHAT WE'RE SAYING BUT AT THE  SAME TIME WE MOVE FORWARD AND  >> BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THE  CONSENSUS UNTIL WE HAVE SOME  COMMENT. YES, MAY WANT HEAR  WHAT A YES FRESH BUT THAT'S  WHAT HAD IT THAT'S WHY LOOKING  AT YOU YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE UP  THERE SO THAT YOU WANT TO. I  JUST HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS OR.  >> E.  >> IT'S JUST CHECK YOUR AUDIO.  >> THE COMMISSION GAVE A  CONSENSUS BACK IN JANUARY TO  RETAIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS AS IT IS CURRENTLY  REQUIRED IN THE EXISTING DNP  PROCESS. CURRENTLY ALDI MP'S  DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLANS. ARE  APPROVED BY COMMISSION WHETHER  THEY ARE EXACTLY BY CODE OR IF  THEY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO CODE.  THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE DOESN'T  CAPTURE WHAT THAT CONSENSUS  WAS GIVEN IN JANUARY OF LAST  YEAR. IT SAYS HERE WAIVERS BUT  IN THIS ULDC DRAFT. IT IS ALSO  GIVING. STAFF. AND THIS SAYS  OWNING HEARING OFFICER I THINK  C H O SO I'M HEARING OFFICER.  AUTHORIZATION TO APPROVE  VARIANCES. SOME OF THOSE  VARIANCES ARE EITHER MINOR OR  MAJOR. THAT'S A CHANGE IN OUR  CODE. AND IT'S MY  UNDERSTANDING. ONLY THE  COMMISSION SHOULD BE APPROVING  ANY CHANGES COPE. AND I  UNDERSTAND  ♪ WHAT IS CONSIDERED MINOR TO  STAFF IS CONSIDERED MAJOR TO  THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY  OWNERS. USUALLY. THE  SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.  HAVING THESE WAIVERS.  VARIANCES SENT OUT TO THE  NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ADJACENT  TO THEM. THEY MAY NEVER KNOW  THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED. I AM.  >> NO SHOCKER HERE AFTER  DOLLAR GENERAL. I AM ALL FOR.  PRESERVING THE NEIGHBORHOODS,  PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS.  AS IT RELATES TO THESE  INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES YES,  THERE IS LARGER BUFFERS THAT  STAFF HAS PUT INTO THIS CODE.  BUT IF YOU'RE NOT NOTIFYING  THE PROPERTY OWNERS IF YOU'RE  NOT HOLDING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS AND IF THE COMMISSION  IS NOT APPROVING THESE  DEVELOPMENTS.  ♪ ♪ THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE  CITIZENS. DISTRUST GOVERNMENT  ALREADY AND THIS IS JUST GOING  TO INTENSIFY THAT DISTRUST. I  COULD NEVER SUPPORT. HAVING A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  NOTIFICATION 500 FEET FROM THE  PROPERTY THAT'S BEING REQUIRED  AS PROPOSED IN THIS CODE WHEN  THE CURRENT EXISTING IS  BETWEEN 121300 SQUARE FEET.  THAT'S THAT'S A BIG  DIFFERENCE. 500 SQUARE FEET  VERSUS 1300 SQUARE FEET HUGE.  WE ARE TRYING TO STREAMLINE  THE PROCESS AND I GET IT. AND  I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO  STREAMLINE THE PROCESS BUT IT  CAN NOT BE AT THE EXPENSE OF  THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS  WERE SINGLE FAMILY  RESIDENTIAL. I YIELD NEVER  SUPPORT THIS.  >> MADAM MAYOR  >> YES. SO SO I'M NOT GOING TO  ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS IN ERSTE  UNDER THE CURRENT UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE, ZONING BOARD  OF APPEALS OR THE ZONING  HEARING OFFICER WE DON'T HAVE  DO YOU APPROVE VARIANCE  REQUESTS.  >> AND THERE ARE STRICT  CRITERIA THAT MUST BE IN ORDER  FOR VARIANCE FOR US TO BE  APPROVED. AND THOSE ARE  JUDICIAL PUBLIC HEARINGS THE  PUBLIC RECEIPTS NO THAT'S THE  MINERS VARIANCE VISION AND THE  DRAFT ULDC PROVIDE SOME  FLEXIBILITY. IT'S NO SECRET  THAT. IT IS COMMON FOR ERRORS  AND OMISSIONS TO BE MADE AND  THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS,  ESPECIALLY WITH SINGLE FAMILY  HOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY  ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WHERE A  SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PHIL IS  BROUGHT INTO THE SIDE AND THEY  MAY BE. 6 SENTIENCE INTO THE  REQUIREMENTS OF THEY MAY BE  LOT INTO QUIET SETBACK. AND  WHEN TYPES VARIANCE REQUESTS  COME BEFORE THEM. GOVERNING  BODY. IT'S A BURDEN FOR THOSE  PROPERTY OWNERS TO BRING FORTH  APPLICATIONS AND THE TIME  INVOLVED AND THE NUMBER OF  TIMES THAT HOLDS UP THEIR ROCK  YOU CAN SEE OR THEY'RE  CLOSING. SO WE WANTED TO BUILD  SOME MINOR. ADMINISTRATIVE  AUTHORITY SO THAT WE'RE NOT  PLACING SUCH A SIGNIFICANT  BURDEN ON THIS PROPERTY OWNERS  WHEN THEY HAVE A SMALL  DISCREPANCY THAT NEEDS TO BE  INTEREST. AS FAR AS A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  REQUIREMENTS CAN TIME THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  REQUIREMENT. IT'S THE NEXT  CENSUS QUESTION AND WE WANTED  TO GET SOME CLARITY ON THE UP.  RETAINING THE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING REQUIREMENT IT IS IN  THE CURRENT DNP PROCESS NOT.  THE CONSENSUS DID NOT INCLUDE  REQUIRING THE DNP PROCESS FOR  EVERY PROJECT AND INCLUDED  REQUIRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING. NOW THE CITY CAN  REQUIRE EVERY PROJECT HAVE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEAT AND  REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE IS  A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS ALL  IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK  LICON IS REQUIRED TO HELP  PEOPLE MEETING, THEY CAN HEAR  FROM NEIGHBORS AND MIGHT MAKE  SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR SITE  PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE  NEIGHBORS OR TO MINIMIZE THEIR  CONCERNS. THE SIMPLE FACT IS  THAT IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE A  PUBLIC ONE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING. SO NOT ONLY IS THE  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  PROCESS INCORPORATED IN THE  DRAFT IN FRONT OF HIM BECAUSE  IT ALIGNS WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE AND POLICIES AND  THE STRATEGIC PLAN VISION.  IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY  COMMISSION. ALSO REMOVING  PROJECTS THAT DON'T INVOLVE  WAIVERS FROM THE PUBLIC  HEARING PROCESS PROTECTS THE  CITY FROM POTENTIAL  LITIGATION. IF THE COMMISSION  FAILS TO APPROVE A PROJECT  THAT IS A 100% COMPLIANT WITH  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  HAVE THE CITY EXPOSED TO  POTENTIAL CHALLENGES. FOR. AND  LIKE TO APPROVE A PROJECT THAT  MEETS OUR REQUIREMENTS. SO  THERE'S A NUMBER REASONS THE  ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND  APPROVAL PROCESSES AND  INCORPORATED AND THAT'S TO THE  CITY COMMISSION TO DECIDE.  YOU'RE GOING TO ALIGN THE  PROCESS IS WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.  THE STRATEGIC VISION OR  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND ALSO  PROTECT THE CITY FROM  POTENTIAL EXPOSURE OR IF  YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER REEB  INCIDENT, STRATEGIC PLAN  VISION AS TO ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT. THE COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN POLICIES REGARDING  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. TO WHAT  SHE RESPONDED.  >> YOU KNOW WHAT THE EFFECT  THAT VARIANCES I WAS NOT  SPEAKING ABOUT WAS FOR  BRINGING IN VARIANCES I'M  TALKING ABOUT IS THE BUFFER  REDUCTIONS THE PARKING  REDUCTIONS. SETBACK LOT WITH  THAT IS IN THIS IS TO BE  APPROVED BY STAFF. AND IF IT'S  A MAJOR VARIANTS SO LET'S SAY  THEY WANT TO REDUCE THE  PARKING MORE THAN 15% WHICH IS  ACCORDING TO THIS. STAFF  APPROVAL, IF THEY WANT TO  REDUCE THE PARKING BY. LET'S  SAY 25% OF THAT WOULD HAVE TO  GO BEFORE THE ZONING HEARING  OFFICER THAT IS OUR JOB THAT  IS A WAIVER. THEY'RE WAIVING  THE CODE AND IN PLACING  SOMETHING ELSE. AND. THAT IS  OUR JOB THAT IS WHAT REQUIRES  NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY  OWNERS IN NEARBY. THAT IS WHAT  IS CALLED TRANSPARENT AND AND.  WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT.  AS A COMMISSION ARE DOING OUR  JOB AND I UNDERSTAND THAT  STAFF WANTS TO STREAMLINE  PROCESSES. BUT AT THE SAME  TIME THERE HAS TO BE ABOUT.  >> PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE  NEAR BUYS THEIR RIGHT TO THEIR  PROPERTY. THEIR ENJOYMENT OF  THE PROPERTY.  >> AND THE CITY COMMISSIONS  ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.  AND ALSO THE RIGHTS OF THE  DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO PUT  SOMETHING IN NEXT DOOR TO A  SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OUR  2 THAT IS WHERE MY GOAL IS  TRYING TO FIND A BALANCE  BETWEEN THAT DEVELOPMENT THE  COMMISSION'S ROLES AND  RESPONSIBILITIES AND  PROTECTING EXISTING PROPERTY  OWNERS WHETHER THEY ARE  IMPROVED OR VACANT AND HOPING  TO IMPROVE AT SOME POINT.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THANK  YOU MADAM MAYOR FOR CLARITY.  PROJECT. REQUIRE A COMMUNITY  MEETING JUST NOT NECESSARILY A  PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THAT  COMMUNITY MEETING IS THAT WHAT  I HEARD.  >> IF THAT IS THE CLARITY THAT  THE COMMISSION PROVIDES IN THE  CENSUS QUESTION. YES, EVERY  PROJECT CAN BE REQUIRED TO  HELP A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING.  THE CITY COMMISSION DIRECT  STAFF TO LEAVE THE DRAFT AS  >> NOT ALL PROJECTS WOULD IF  ALL NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS WOULD BE FOLLOWED BY  A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.  HOWEVER, IF THE PROJECT IS  APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY BY  STAFF THERE STILL IS AN  OPPORTUNITY FOR SURROUNDING  PROPERTY ON TO FILE AN APPEAL.  I'M NOT DECISION OF STAFF.  >> AND THEN WHAT WHAT IS THE  PROCESS ON APPEAL WOULD THAT  INITIATE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A  PUBLIC HEARING.  >> YES, IT WAS AND THAT WOULD  BE A QUASI JUDICIAL PUBLIC  HEARING AND IT WOULD INVOLVE  THE PLANNING AND ZONING. IT  WOULD INVOLVE THE PLANNING AND  ZONING ADVISORY BOARD HEARING  ON A CITY COMMISSION HEARING  ALONG WITH THE NOTIFICATION  AND TO TOUCH ON THE  NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT. AT  505 NOTIFICATION. THE CITY IS  STILL SUBSTANTIALLY MORE. MOST  JURISDICTIONS. THERE IS NO NOW  NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT UNDER  THE FLORIDA STATUTES. SO WE'RE  PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT'S.  THAT'S. A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN  MOST COMMUNITIES MOST  COMMUNITIES TO 300 BUT STILL  NOT AS SUBSTANTIAL AS BEFORE.  >> AGAIN EVERYTHING IS ABOUT  ONCE. IF PROJECTS CAN FOR MOM.  A 100% TO OUR UNIFIED  DEVELOPMENT CODE. I'M  COMFORTABLE WITH  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS.  PERSONALLY I'M NOT CONVINCED  WHERE 100% ON SOME OF THE  SPECIFICS OF THE ULDC CODE  THERE ARE FEW THINGS IN IT  REQUIRE MORE CONVERSATION AND  MORE WORK. ONCE WE APPROVE  THAT IF A PROJECT A 100% FORMS  TO THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH  AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AS  LONG AS. THERE IS A PUBLIC.  THAT THERE IS A COMMUNITY  MEETING ON THAT THERE'S  NOTIFICATION AND I THINK THE  500 FEET IS ACCEPTABLE.  VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE  DEVELOPMENT ARE THE THE HOMES  AROUND THAT AREA HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THAT  PROJECT BEFORE AND SHOW A  SHALLOW GOES UNDERGROUND. I  AGREE THAT ANY PROJECT  REQUESTING A WAIVER. ARE ANY  EXCEPTION NEEDS TO COME BEFORE  THE COMMISSION. YOU KNOW.  >> LIKE TO HEAR FROM VICE  MAYOR. REALLY.  >> WELL I LIKE THE IDEA  STREAMLINING THIS PROCESS I  MEAN SOME OF THESE PROJECTS  TAKE FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER  SEEMS. I THINK IT IS REALLY  IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS TO  BE ABLE TO HAVE. ON ANY  PROJECT A PUBLIC HEARING. YOU  KNOW I DON'T THINK THERE'S  ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.  WHILE I APPRECIATE COMMISSION  IS REQUIRED TO MAKE DECISIONS  BASED ON THE LAW. AND THERE  ARE TIMES WHEN PUBLIC OPINION  IS STRONG ABOUT A PARTICULAR  PROJECT FOR OR AGAINST. AND  COMMISSION HAS TO BE ABLE TO  FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF LEGAL  COUNSEL TO WHAT IS LEGAL. EVEN  IF IT MAY NOT EVEN MOST  POPULAR THING TO DO. THAT SAID  THE PUBLIC NEED TO BE NOTICED  IN MY OPINION. THERE NEEDS TO  BE PUBLIC MEETINGS. THEY'RE  BEING STUBBY PUBLIC HEARINGS I  SEE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT EVEN  IF IT SLOWS THINGS DOWN A  LITTLE. ALL THESE CHANGES. AND  THESE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS TO  EFFECT. PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AND  AROUND THESE AREAS AND I SEE  NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN'T  BE GIVEN THEIR VOICE. 500  FEET. A LOT OF FEET BUT YOU  KNOW IT IS MORE THAN THEY PUT  A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES  I MEAN MAYBE THERE ARE POINT  IN THEIR 500 FEETS NOT A LOT  OF FEET BUT THAT ISN'T A BIG  ISSUE WITH ME ALSO WITH I  THINK BOTH MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS HERE SPOKEN  REGARDING ANY WAIVERS. I JUST  FEEL THE SHOULD COME TO THE  COMMISSION. I KNOW WE WANT TO  TRY TO STREAMLINE THIS BUT I'M  NOT COMFORTABLE WITH HAVING A  LOT OF THE STUFF PROVE THAT AT  HIM IN A STRAIGHT OF LEVEL, I  KNOW IT TAKES EXTRA STEPS, I  KNOW IT'S A LITTLE SLOWER. BUT  AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE ERRING  ON THE SIDE OF TRANSPARENCY.  WE'RE ALLOWING MORE IMPORTANT  AND AND I JUST YOU KNOW AS A  COMMISSIONER I DON'T WANT TO  GIVE UP THAT RIGHT I THINK  THAT'S COME TO COMMISSION SO.  IF THAT HELPS. AND I YIELD  ALSO OKAY.  >> COMMISSIONER EMRICH HAVE  SOMETHING TO WEIGH-IN BEFORE  WE GO TO SECOND ROUND. YES  MAYOR.  >> YEAH, I WAS LISTENING TO  THEM PRESENTATION.  >> I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE  SHOULD BE PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU  KNOW COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND  THE WAIVER SHOULD COME TO  COMMISSION I CAN BE AN  AGREEMENT IF IT'S 100% SPOT  ALL BOXES. HAVEN'T MINUTES  STRAIGHT OF LEE, BUT I STILL  WANT TO SEE WHERE THE  COMMUNITY CAN GET INVOLVED AND  HAVE THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN  STOWE WE HAVE THE  RESPONSIBILITY EITHER APPROVE  OR DENY. THE WAIVERS AS THEY  COME IN AND AND THAT PUBLIC  MEETING GOES ON WE CAN ALSO  HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AT  THAT MORNING. IF THEY ARE  LOOKING FOR A WAIVER THAT  WOULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD  IN AREA SO I'M PRETTY MUCH IN  LINE WITH COMMISSIONERS THAT  HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN SO THAT'S  ALL I  >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU I JUST  WANT TO CLARIFY WE'RE JUST  TALKING ABOUT THE WAY FOR  PORTION OF THAT WHETHER WE  WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE. IN  ADDITION TO THE 500 FEET BUT  WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE  NOW YOU JUST.  >> I THINK THAT I THINK THAT  SOME OF SOME OF THIS  ESPECIALLY AND TOWN'S  COMMENTARY COMB ENGEL SEVERAL  DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT OF.  YES WE HAVE BUILT IN SOME  ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION TO  INCLUDE TO APPROVE MINOR  VARIANCES MINOR VARIANCES  WOULD BE A PROJECT IS IF IT'S  AN EXISTING PROJECT IS  BUILDING AN ADDITION. AND THEY  NEED A REDUCTION OF THEIR  PARKING STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO  APPROVE. A SMALL REDUCTION BUT  ANYTHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL  WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE  CITY COMMISSION. SO WE'VE GOT  SOME MINOR VARIANCE  ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION  WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A  BRAND NEW PROJECT REQUESTING  WAIVERS TO THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE BRAND-NEW  PROJECTS REQUESTING WAIVERS TO  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT  MASTER CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL  WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE.  ADMINISTRATOR THE VARIANCE  PROCESS THE VARIANCE PROCESS  IS MUCH DIFFERENT THE WAIVER  PROCESS. THE VARIANCE PROCESS  INCLUDES REQUIRED FINDINGS.  CRITERIA THAT MUST BE SHOWING  THAT THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS  NOT DUE TO THE ACTIONS OF THE  OWNER. THAT IT IS NOT  REQUESTED BASED ON FINANCIAL  HARDSHIP. THAT'S I CAN'T NAME  ALL OF THEM THERE'S 7 CRITERIA  THAT NEED TO BE MAP AND THAT  IS MEASURED. THE ZONING  HEARING OFFICER. IT AN  IMPARTIAL. RETIRED. ATTORNEY  OR TOUCH. THEY MEASURE THOSE  REQUIRED FINDINGS IN  DETERMINING IF A VARIANCE  APPROVAL IS GRANTED. 99% UP  THE TIME. THOSE VARIANCE  REQUESTS INVOLVE SINGLE-FAMILY  HOMES. EITHER FOR A PROJECT  THAT WAS. DEVELOPED. AND  ERRORS AND OMISSIONS WERE MADE  AND THE PROCESS.  >> OR.  >> SOME CASES IN ADVANCE OF  THE PERSON CONSTRUCTING THERE.  SCREEN ENCLOSURE WHAT MAY HAVE  YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY  CAN'T IT WITHOUT THAT VARIANCE  SO I THINK WE'RE YOU KNOW  WE'RE GETTING SOME OF OUR  ISSUES COMMINGLED HERE. YOU  KNOW THE THE PRIMARY QUESTION  RIGHT NOW.  >> AS THE CITY COMMISSION WANT  TO DESIGN. THE DEVELOPMENT  APPROVAL PROCESS. CONSISTENT  WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  POLICY IS STRATEGIC PLAN  POSITION AND REDUCE THE  TIMELINE FOR APPROVAL. SO  THAT. NORTH PORT SENDING THE  MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE OPEN FOR  BUSINESS. OR DO WE WANT TO  MAINTAIN THE DEVELOPMENT  MASTER PLAN TIE PROCESS WHICH  WOULD BE MASTER CONCEPT PLAN  UNDER THE NEW CODE FOR PROJECT  THAT IS NOT A WOMAN TO FAMILY  HOME. AND HAVE THOSE. REQUESTS  FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AXED  ON THAT 6 MONTHS OR MORE AND  THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF THOSE  PUBLIC HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. I  THINK  >> THE YOU KNOW THE A LEGAL  CHALLENGE. TIME.  >> IS THERE AS WELL. SO AS  LONG AS YOU KNOW AS LONG AS.  >> HOPPERS OVER.  >> THIS SETTING AND THE REST  OF THE PROJECT DENIED. I MEAN  HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THE  COMMISSION ASKED FOR.  APPLICANT TO CHANGE THEIR  DEVELOPMENT PLAN EVEN THOUGH  THOSE CHANGES WERE REQUIRED BY  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE.  >> SO.  >> WE'RE YOU KNOW WE'RE  LOOKING FOR DIRECTION I KNOW  THAT YOU NEED TO PUBLIC INPUT  BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY DECISIONS  ON CONSENSUS QUESTIONS SO IF  THERE'S MORE CONVERSATION ARE  MORE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO  ADDRESS THOSE NOT YOU'RE  READY. I'M NOT THE MAYOR  COMMISSION TO MOVE ON TO NEXT  QUESTION. HAPPY TO DO THAT AS  WELL.  >> NOW WHEN IT STANDS ONE. NOW  BUT.  >> JUST JUST TO BE I'M CLEAR  ON THIS YOU SAID ANY WAIVERS  THE ULDC FOR BRAND NEW  PROJECTS WILL ALWAYS RECEIVE A  PUBLIC. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> BASED ON LARRY JUST SAID  VARIANCES DOES NOT STATE THAT  IT'S MINOR LITTLE CHANGES FOR  SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IT  DOES NOT STATE WHAT THE  CRITERIA IS THAT THE HEARING  OFFICER ASKED ALL. THERE'S A  LOT OF THINGS THAT I. FROM  WHAT I HEARD IS BEING COMBING  GO WITH WHAT WAIVERS ARE  WAIVERS TO HAVE 7 SPECIFIC  THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE  APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.  BUT SOME OF THE VARIANCES IS  WAIVING. MODIFYING OUR CODE.  THOUGH SHOULD COME BEFORE THE  COMMISSION. IT ESPECIALLY WHEN  IT'S REALLY GOING TO OFFERING  IN PARKING AND SETBACKS IF  RESIDENTIAL PUTTING IN A POOL,  WE HAVE SEEN  >> WE'VE SEEN THEM BECOME  BEFORE US. SHORT LITTLE  CONVERSATION, SOMETIMES A  LITTLE BIT IN-DEPTH  CONVERSATION. BUT WE HAVE SEEN  I'M NOT TOO SURE EXACTLY WHAT  LAWRIE IS TALKING ABOUT  BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE  ACTUAL PROPOSED DOCUMENT. AND  WHAT THE TECH SET. AND IT DOES  NOT SAY WHAT MISTER LAWRY  MENTIONED IN HER. THE BACK. SO  I'M GRATEFUL AND I'M PLEASED  TO HEAR MY FELLOW  ♪ COMMISSIONERS WANTING TO  CONTINUE HAVING  ♪ WAIVERS BACKED A COMMISSION  THAT IS ALREADY IN THE CODE.  BUT WE'VE WE'VE CHANGED THE  TERMINOLOGY. USED TO BE  MODIFICATIONS ANY  MODIFICATIONS CAIN ANY  MODIFICATIONS TO THE ULDC INTO  CAME TO THE COMMISSION FOR  APPROVAL. AND IT CHANGES AND  NOW IT'S CALLED MINGLING  VARIANCES SO I DON'T WANT  THINGS TO GET LOST BECAUSE IF  YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW A HEIGHT  INCREASE. THAT SHOULD COME TO  THE COMMISSION. AND GET PUBLIC  INPUT. I. LOOKING AT THEIR BUT  GUESS SORRY.  >> LATER A DIRECTOR OF  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SO I  THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF  CONFUSION WITH CURRENT  PROCESSES. CURRENTLY THE  COMMISSION DOES NOT HEAR  VARIANCES THOSE GO TO THE  ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. YOU  MAKE YOUR VACATIONS EASEMENTS  THAT COME TO YOU ON  SINGLE-FAMILY AND OTHER TYPES  PROPERTIES THAT YOU DO NOT.  >> YOU'RE VARIANTS VACATIONS,  NOT MENTIONED HERE AT ALL.  >> DIFFERENT HEARTLESS LET'S  STAY ON PROJECT BUT YES,  VARIANCE IS CURRENTLY. THE  COMMISSION DOES NOT OKAY, THEY  ALL GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF  APPEALS AND I WILL TELL YOU IT  TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN  WE GET THE SAME COMMENTS FROM  ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. IT'S  TOO WHY ISN'T THERE AN  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR  THESE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT  COME TO US WITH A 6 INCH  VARIANT OR 3 INCH VARIOUS  WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD THEM AS  MANY AS YOU KNOW TWO-INCH  VARIANTS AND AND THAT THE  PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT IT  HOLDS UP SOMEBODY CERTIFICATE  OF OCCUPANCY THEY CANNOT MOVE  INTO THEIR HOUSE, THEY CAN'T  CLOSE ON THEIR HOUSE FOR  MONTHS. IN ORDER TO BECAUSE WE  CAN EITHER WE DON'T HAVE A ARE  WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE  MEDICATIONS TO PROPERTY  OWNERS. SO THAT IS THAT IS A  SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP TO OUR  RESIDENTS AND IF THE  COMMISSION. THE REASON  VARIANCES WILL IN THIS NEW  CODE OR PROPOSED TO GO TO A  ZONING HEARING OFFICER IS  BECAUSE THAT WAS INTENDED TO  TAKE PLACE OF THE ZONING BOARD  OF APPEALS SO THAT WE DON'T  HAVE ISSUES LIKE BE  CONTINUOUSLY HAVE. AND IT  HELPS TO PROVIDE MORE  CERTAINTY IN THE SCHEDULE THAT  WE CAN GIVE PEOPLE BUT ALSO  THAT ADMINISTRATIVE VARIANCE  PROCESS FOR THOSE MINOR.  THINGS LIKE THAT REDUCES THE  NEED FOR SOMEONE IS TRYING TO  MOVE INTO THEIR HOME AND  HAVING LATER CLOSING BY  SOMETIMES 3, 4, 5, MINUTES  WHICH IS AN EXTREME HARDSHIP.  IF THE COMMISSION ONCE TO  BEGIN HEARING VARIANCES.  >> VERY AND VARIANCES ARE  DIFFERENT THAN WAIVERS FROM  THE CODE THAT IF THE  COMMISSION WANTS TO BEGIN  HEARING. THOSE TYPES OF  VARIANCES THEY DO FOLLOW A  DIFFERENT LEGAL STANDARD.  >> AND IN THAT WOULD BE  SOMETHING THAT WE SIMPLY  HAVEN'T DONE BEFORE IN MOST  PLACES DON'T BECAUSE TYPICALLY  IT IS IMPARTIAL BOARD. NOT AN  ELECTED BOARD DOES THAT. BUT  WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO  THAT. IF THE COMMISSION WOULD  LIKE TO HAVE. THE ABILITY FOR  THE PUBLIC TO ALWAYS HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON  PROJECTS THAT ARE PROPOSED. IF  YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP AN  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR.  DEVELOPMENTS THAT MEET. THE  ULDC 100%. WE COULD STILL DO A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. AND NOT  IN AND HAVE NOTICED GO OUT FOR  THAT NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING BUT  NOT GO THROUGH PUBLIC HEARINGS  THE PUBLIC HEARINGS DO EXTEND  THINGS SOME TIME 6 MONTHS. AND  WE HAVE. LOT OF DEVELOPMENT  THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO  SEE RESTAURANTS. COMMERCIAL  ENTERTAINMENT.  >> THAT COME TO US AND ONE OF  THE FIRST THINGS THEY ASK US  IS DO YOU HAVE AN  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.  IF WE NEED YOUR PET. AND RIGHT  NOW WE SAY NO. WE'RE WE'RE  HOPING TO GET ONE AND THAT HAS  BEEN MET WITH A LOT OF. YOU  KNOW THOUGHTS. BUT IT WOULD  HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  WOULD STILL RESIDENTS AN  OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THE  DEVELOPMENT THE WITH THE FOR  STAFF TO GET THAT INPUT. BUT  IF. IT DOESN'T NEED. ULDC AND  THE COMMISSION IS NOT.  INCLINED TO. PROVIDE STAFF THE  ABILITY TO GRANT MINOR WAIVERS  ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT  DON'T THE LDC COULD COME  BEFORE THE COMMISSION. FOR  PUBLIC HEARING.  >> ALL RIGHT WANT TO BE CLEAR  YOU MENTIONED THE MINOR  VARIANCES ARE DONE. YOU WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THEM DONE AND THEN  A STRAIGHT OF LEE NOT GO TO  ZONING. SO WHAT GETTING FROM  UP THE SCREEN PLACE.  >> OKAY SO IN THE DRAFT MINOR  VARIANCES. FOR ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL ARE LIMITED TO STEP  BACK. LOT WITH LOCKED UP  ADOPTION OF NO MORE THAN 25%,  INCLUDING FOR THE PURPOSES OF  TREE PRESERVATION WHICH IS  PROCESSES KYLIE INCORPORATED  IN CHAPTER 45 THE ULDC.  BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE OF NO  MORE THAN 5% FOR ADOPTION, NO  MORE THAN 10%. PARKING  REDUCTION OF NO MORE THAN 15%.  AND DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE IN  SWAPPED OUT TO ROLL UP CARTS  AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. A  MAJOR VARIANCE AGAIN HAS  STRICT CRITERIA THAT MUST BE  MET.  >> AND ALL OF THESE 8 CRITERIA  MUST BE IN ORDER FOR THIS  COUNTY HEARING OFFICER TO  APPROVE A VARIANCE. VARIANCES  MENTION ARE GENERALLY OR  RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. IF  APPLICANT WITH A NEW PROJECT  COMES TO THE CITY AND THAT  WHAT WE WANT TO DO A VARIANCE  INSTEAD OF A MASTER CONCEPT  PLAN AND A WAIVER. THE FIRST  QUESTION DO YOU MEAN ALL OF  CRITERIA. I'M GONNA TELL YOU  THEY DON'T. IRAN SAYS ARE FOR  SPECIAL ON PROPERTY. THAT THE  LITTLE LITERAL INTERPRETATION  OF THE CODE WITH PART A  PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE  ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING  THAT ALL OTHER LIKE PROPERTY  OWNERS OF A RIGHT TO DO. SO I  JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S  CLEAR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE  VARIANCE. AND THE WAIVER. THE  WAIVER HAS NO MEASURABLE  CRITERIA ATTACH TO IT. NOW  WHEN AN APPLICANT FOR LARGE  PROJECT REQUESTS WAIVERS TO  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE THROUGH THE STAFF REVIEW  PROCESS, WE ASKED THEM TO  JUSTIFY THEIR REQUEST. WE  SOMETIMES TO INCORPORATE  OFFSETTING MITIGATION AND  THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO  MINIMIZE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS  THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH  THAT WAIVER. AND THEN THE CITY  COMMISSION MAKES THE DECISION  ON THE WAIVER. AS FAR AS THESE  MINOR VARIANCES ARE CONCERNED.  IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO  CLARIFY WANTS US TO CLARIFY  AND THE DRAFT BUT THESE ARE  ONLY TO GO TOWARD  REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR ONLY  ALLOW LOT WITH LOT UP FOR  ADOPTION ON SINGLE-FAMILY  HOMES ARE ONE 2 FAMILY HOMES  ONLY SURE WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO  THAT. BUT AGAIN I THINK WE'RE  GETTING SOME OF OUR OUR ISSUES  COMMINGLE HERE AND PERHAPS YOU  KNOW WE MIGHT WANT TO BREAK  THEM DOWN ONE BY ONE WE YOU  KNOW FOCUS ON THE MASTER  CONCEPT PLAN. APPROVAL. FIRST  THE VARIANCE ISSUE AND AND  THEN TACKLE THE BARENTS AS HAS  ITS OWN ITEM.  >> OKAY OKAY TO YOU IS TO PUT  WAIVER CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW.  AS WE DID GET INTO A VARIANCE.  >> YEAH SO SEE IF I UNDERSTAND  THAT THE ASK HERE. COULD YOU  REPEAT, LET'S DO IT THAT WE  COULD YOU REPEAT. WHAT IT IS.  STAFF IS LOOKING FOR FAR  >> WE ARE LOOKING FOR  CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER TO  PROCEED WITH THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS REGARDING  MASTER CONCEPT PLAN APPROVALS  BEING LIMITED 2 PROJECTS  REQUESTING WAIVERS TO THE  ULDC. HORIZONTAL MIXED USE  SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND VILLAGE  DISTRICT 3 ZONES. IF THE  COMMISSION WISHES TO HAVE  MASTER CONCEPT PLAN APPROVAL  REQUIRED FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT  PROJECT. IT IS NOT A ONE AND 2  FAMILY HOME.  >> I COULD SUPPORT. THE IDEA  OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  SAUDIS BUT. I CAN'T. I CAN'T  SUPPORT NOT HAPPENING. PUBLIC  HEARINGS AND I CAN'T SUPPORT  COMMISSION NOT BEING AWARE OF  THESE PROJECTS MY CONCERN IS  THIS THAT EVEN WITH YOU KNOW  EVEN WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING  PUBLIC NOTICE THAT THERE'S  GOING TO YOU ON ON A  PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT  PROJECT. ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL SQUALOR REQUIRE 60'S  PROJECTS MEET 100% OF THE COMP  PLAN AND YOU SEE. THE  COMMISSION'S TOTALLY OUT OF  THE WILL. WE REPORTED THE  CITIZENS ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT  THIS IS GOING ON THAT'S GOING  ON DO WE KNOW HOW DO WE STAND  I GET IT I DON'T WANT TO  UNDULY DELAY SOME OF THESE  PROJECTS.  >> BUT I ALSO WANT TO BE A SO  WHERE IS THE PUBLIC WHAT THE  PUBLIC TO RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO  SPEAK UP ON THESE PROJECTS,  I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE  LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, SO MUCH  ON PROJECTS TO COME TO  COMMISSION COMMISSIONS  OBLIGATED TO FILE LAW. EVEN IF  IT'S NOT POPULAR. SO I GET  THAT AND GET THAT SOMETIMES  THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND AND  PUBLIC MEETINGS RAISE ALL  KINDS OF OPPOSITION TO  DEVELOPMENT THAT THEN WHEN THE  EAST PROJECTS IN PRESENT  SITUATION OR IN A PRESIDENT  STATUS COM BEFORE COMMISSION  COMMISSIONS FEEL PRESSURED TO  BOW TO PUBLIC OPINION WHEN LAW  SAYS THEY HAVE TO APPROVE  THESE IF THEY MEET THE  REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S US. YOU  KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S THE JOB,  SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO DO WHAT'S  LEGALLY RIGHT EVEN IF IT'S NOT  WHAT'S POPULAR I GET THAT AND  YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT  THING SHOULD BE A COMMISSION.  OKAY BUT I REALLY WANT THE  PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON  AND I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO  SPEAK OUT TO DEVELOPERS. 4  THINGS GET APPROVED BECAUSE.  I'VE SEEN COUNTLESS  DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS BEFORE  SINCE I'VE BEEN A COMMISSIONER  WHERE DEVELOPERS HAVE MODIFIED  THEIR PLANTS SIGNIFICANTLY  BASED ON PUBLIC OPINION AND  THAT'S A GOOD THING.  >> SO IT I MEAN THAT'S REALLY  ALL I'M LOOKING FOR I DON'T  HAVE A PROBLEM, SOMETHING 100%  OF THE PUBLIC'S GOT TO OPEN TO  THIS AND SO WE AT LEAST BE  AWARE WHAT'S GOING  >> SO UNDER THAT UNDER THE  DRAFT. THERE THE CITY WILL  HAVE A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW  COMMITTEE PROCESS. THERE WILL  BE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW  COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WAS  MEETINGS ON OPPORTUNITY FOR  STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO  WORK THROUGH  ANY COMMENTS THAT THE STAFF  HAS GIVEN ON THE PROJECT.  THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED FOR  PUBLIC AND PUT. HOWEVER THE  CURRENT DRAFT BEFORE YOU  REQUIRES THE DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW COMMITTEE PROCESS  THAT'S ON THIS WILL BE POSTED  ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. OUR  DEVELOPMENT YOUR MOM WE'LL  CONTINUE TO BE UPDATED SHOWING  WHERE THE PROJECTS ARE AND  GETTING THAT INFORMATION ON  WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE AS WELL  AS THAT DRC THE CURRENT DRAFT  BEFORE YOU REQUIRES THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. AFTER  THE FIRST READING YOUR  COMMENTS ARE SUBMITTED TO. THE  APPLICANT AND PROOF OF THAT  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WOULD BE  REQUIRED BEFORE FINAL  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF THE  PROJECT. BRING  >> THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING.  >> THE COMMUNITY WOULD STILL  HAVE ACCESS TO THE DEVELOPER  TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT  REQUESTS THAT THEY MAKE  ADJUSTMENTS TO MINIMIZE ANY.  POTENTIAL.  >> OR. COMPLIED. NEGATIVE  IMPACTS IT'S SIMPLY ONE  INVOLVED LONG PUBLIC HEARING  PROCESS WITH THE NOTIFICATIONS  THE 2 PUBLIC HEARINGS.  >> BEFORE CITY COMMISSION BEEN  CITY COMMISSION. SO I THINK  DRAFT BEFORE YOU DOES PROVIDE  THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A  NEIGHBOR'S TO HAPPEN AUDIENCE  WITH THE DEVELOPER AND AGAIN  THERE IS STILL THE APPEAL  PROCESS COULD BE IN PART TO  PALM. IF. IF A NEIGHBOR OR  RESIDENT OUT THAT THE PROJECT  DID NOT MAKE THE ULDC 100%.  THEY COULD MAKE THE CASE  THROUGH THE APPEAL PROCESS  THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD NOT  HAVE AN INPUT.  >> WHAT WHAT TIME IN THE  PROCESS DOES DOES THIS PUBLIC.  MEETING TAKE PLACE  >> OKAY, THE PUBLIC MEAN AND  SO UP LOOKING FOR THROUGHOUT  THE KINGSTON A FORMAL  APPLICATION. ONCE THE  APPLICATION IS DEEMED  SUFFICIENT STOP ALL  DEPARTMENTS FOR IT. WE SENT  COMMENTS TO BASED ON OUR  REVIEW OF THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO GET  THAT FIRST STOP. SO THAT IF  THEY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO  MEET THE CALM. THAT THEY'VE  ALREADY BEEN ADVISED THEY  ALREADY HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO  UPDATE THEIR PLAN AND THAT MAY  BRING IT TO THE NEIGHBOR. THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WE WE  WOULD RATHER THAT FIRST  INTERVIEW COMPLETED SO THAT IF  THERE ARE ANY COMPLIANCE  ISSUES. WE'VE  >> FOR THE NEIGHBOR SEE THE  PLANT AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORS  GET NOTIFIED.  >> PER THE DROUGHT BEFORE YOU.  DOW. THE AND THERE IS A  HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION  INVOLVED AND PROXIMITY. THE  HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WOULD  BE NOT QUITE AS WELL.  >> AND PRESENTLY. MAKE OUR  MAILING. JUST NO.  >> GREAT 1328. IT'S A MILE.  >> SOMETHING WANTING TO DO IT.  WE DON'T CURRENTLY DO. IS DO A  MONTHLY REPORT OF ALL PROJECTS  THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO  THE CITY. 4.  >> DISTRIBUTION TO NOT ONLY  THE COMMISSION. BUT TO BE ABLE  TO POST ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE  OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. I'VE  SEEN SOME OTHER CITIES  COUNTIES THAT DO THIS AND IT'S  IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO  RESIDENTS INTO THE COMMISSION  TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING CYST  WAY INCREASE COMMUNICATION IT  TYPICALLY IT'S A IT'S A ONE  PAGE. IT'S NOT DETAILED  REPORT, BUT IT'S A SNAPSHOT OF  THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN  SUBMITTED THAT MOMENT AND SO  THAT IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT THEY  CAN CONTACT CITY MANAGER'S  OFFICE AND THAT A PROJECT AND  THE ADDRESS.  >> RIGHT WOULD BIG SITE WITH  LEAST IT A VERY.  >> BASICALLY EASY TO FIND MANY  LOCATION LOCATION. THE TYPE OF  PROJECT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING  WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW  RESTAURANT HOTEL. YOU KNOW  PART WHATEVER IT SO THAT'S  THAT'S SOMETHING GOING TO WE  JUST HAVE NOT HAD TIME. TO DO  THAT AND IT'S ON MY LIST OF OF  THINGS TO DO. SO ONCE WE GET  THROUGH ALL OF WILL BE  IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THOSE  THINGS AND THAT MIGHT THAT  THAT WILL ABSOLUTELY HELP THE  COMMISSION UNDERSTAND PROJECTS  THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED AND  WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT YOU  CAN TALK YOUR CONSTITUENTS  ABOUT THAT.  >> I JUST SAY THAT THE FINAL  THING I MEAN GOING FROM 1300  TO 500 I WONDER IF THAT'S NOT  A NUMBER SOMEWHERE IN THE  MIDDLE, LET'S A LITTLE BETTER  ME 300 OR 500 FEET IT'S NOT  WHAT ABOUT QUARTER.  >> YOU AND WILL RESTATE ITS  ITS MORE THAN MORE THAN MORE  THE VAST MAJORITY OF  JURISDICTIONS DO THE STATE IT  IS A IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE  THEN MOST DO. IT'S A LOT OF  PROPERTIES WHEN YOU START  LOOKING AT HOW MANY PARCELS  THAT IS IN THE COST TO SEND  THOSE MAILINGS OUT IT'S PRETTY  SUBSTANTIAL AND ESPECIALLY FOR  A PROJECT THAT MAY NOT HAVE  ANY IMPACT AT ALL AND SOMEONE  THAT'S A MILE AWAY.  >> MILES O TEAM AND PUT HIM  OUT OF BUT A MILE IS I'M SORRY  SO MUCH AND WE WITH THIS IS  WHY WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS  PLANNERS TO ALL RIGHT. THANK  YOU. COMMISSIONER  >> I AM ACTUALLY HAVING A HARD  TIME DEALING WITH THE MASTER  CONCEPT PLAN WITHOUT ALSO  THINKING ABOUT MOST THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE  SOME THINGS I'M VERY  COMFORTABLE WITH TERMS OF THE  REQUEST ON THE MASTER CONCEPT  PLAN, I'M NOT AT ALL  COMFORTABLE WITH THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SO. MAIR  HAS SORT OF LAID OUT HOW SHE  WANTS TO PROCEED AND I'M OKAY  WITH GOING WITH THAT. I KEEP  GETTING MODELED BETWEEN THE 2  OF THEM TOO BECAUSE THEY ARE  JUST SO INTRINSICALLY WE'RE  HAPPY TO MOVE ON WITH THE  PRESENTATION OF THE COMMISSION  WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HAVE MORE  PUBLIC NOT ADDRESS THE  CONSENSUS QUESTIONS WITH  HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO  THAT.  >> WE THAT. FINAL COMMENT.  OKAY, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING  TO MOVE ON TO NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS BUT I CANNOT.  >> I KNOW IT'S PERCEIVED  SOMETIMES WHEN I CHALLENGE  STAFF HAS. I'M BEING  DISRESPECTFUL AND THAT IS BY  NO MEANS SHAPE OR FORM WHAT  I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT STAFF  SAYS. I KNOW DOES NOT MATCH  WHAT IS IN THE TEXT BECAUSE I  READ THIS THIS IS THE MEAT AND  POTATOES AS TO WHY I AM A  COMMISSION AND PROTECTING OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS OFFERS THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS ALL OF  THAT STUFF IS WHY I'M SITTING  HERE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS  GO BACK TO DOLLAR GENERAL  THOSE OF YOU THAT BEEN HERE  THAT LONG. NO THIS. THIS  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS NOT  REQUIRED.  IT IS.  >> WE ARE THE APPLICANT  SEEKING APPROVAL, CERTAIN  APPLICANTS APPLICATION TYPES  ENCOURAGED TO HAUL A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. WHAT IT  MEANT. ENCOURAGED TO DO  SOMETHING AND REQUIRED TO DO  SOMETHING. DIFFERENT. STAFF  STATED THAT THE H.O.A. IS  NOTIFIED. IF THEY'RE NEAR THAT  PROPERTY IT'S NOT IN THE TEXT.  IT'S IN THE OLD TAX THAN THE  OLD ULDC AND I HAVE IT IN MY  NOTES TO BRING IT UP WHAT  ABOUT ME TONIGHT IN HERE. IN  THIS TEXT ON A NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING. WORDS MATTER. YES,  I'M CHALLENGING WHAT IS BEING  SAID. I'M NOT CHALLENGING  PERSON. I'M CHALLENGING WHAT  IS BEING SAID BECAUSE IT  DOESN'T MATCH WHAT'S IN THE  TEXT. AND THAT IS WHERE I HAVE  A PROBLEM. AND I AGREE THAT IF  YOU'RE WANTING TO GIVE A  VARIANCE TO ALLOW SCHOOL TO BE  BUILT BECAUSE IT'S 3 INCHES  AND WE HAVE SEEN THEM HERE. ON  THIS DAY S. COOL 3 INCHES OVER  THE LOT LINE OR THE APPROVED  DISTANCES. OF COURSE THAT  SHOULD BE DONE  ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT AGAIN  THE TEXT IS SAYING THE  VARIANCES IS FOR. THE ONLY  NIGHT. KING REQUIRE AND IF IT  DOESN'T MATCH THE MINOR. THE  MAJOR ONES GOING TO THE ZBA  ZIERING HEARING NOT TO THE  COMMISSION. SO THERE'S A LOT  OF CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE  DEFINITELY COMMINGLE BECAUSE  WORDS MATTER AND IF WE APPROVE  THIS MASTER CONCEPT PLAN WE DO  TO COMMISSIONER LANGDON POINT  ALSO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE  MEETINGS. WE ALSO HAVE TO TALK  ABOUT THE VARIANTS IT'S  BECAUSE THOSE WORDS ARE BEING  USED INTERCHANGEABLY IN THE  TEXT. SO I KNEELED AND LOOK  FORWARD TO FIGURING OUT WHAT  WE'RE GOING TO DO TO MERCY  BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY LARGE  DISCUSSION.  >> COMMISSIONER LIKE THAT.  JUST IN IN RESPONSE. I ALSO  READ THIS MATERIAL AND  LANGUAGE THAT'S IN HERE. IS  ALSO ON THE PRESENTATION FOR  OUR DECISIONS SO NO ONE'S  TRYING TO PULL ANYTHING THERE  ARE SOME DETAILS THAT AREN'T  IDENTIFIED HERE NATIONAL  MCDOWELL'S.  >> COMMENT YOU KNOW. WEEKS WE  HAVE GOT TO SIMPLIFY THINGS.  AND IF A PROJECT CONFORMS A  100% TO THE ULDC WHICH WE HAVE  YET TO APPROVE BY THE WAY AND  THERE'S STILL SOME  CONVERSATION TO HAVE ON IT.  BUT IF A PROJECT CAN FUNDS A  100% TO THE ULDC IT SHOULD BE  APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY. AS  PART OF THAT AND THIS IS SORT  OF WHERE I SO GET. IN BETWEEN  THE 2 REQUESTS. I PROJECT  ALWAYS REQUIRES A COMMUNITY  MEETING MEAN THE COMMUNITY HAS  TO BE NOTIFIED AND HAS TO HAVE  AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR AND  REACT TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN  THEIR IMMEDIATE VICINITY. AND  IF THERE IS AN APPEAL. BY THE  COMMUNITY. IT MUST COME BEFORE  THIS COMMISSION MUST. SO THESE  THINGS IN MY MIND REALLY GO  TOGETHER THEY'RE INTRINSICALLY  RELATED. AND IT'S JUST HARD  FOR ME TO SORT OF APPROVE ONE  WITHOUT THE OTHER I'M TRYING  TO MAKE NOTES.  >> ON WHAT I THINK WOULD BE A  REASONABLE CONSENSUS THE  CONGRESS HA SO I THINK. YOU  KNOW WE WILL HEARING, YOU KNOW  THE TO WIN 2 VARIATIONS YOU  KNOW PEOPLE POOLS AND ECZEMA  WITH NEVER DENY ONE SO SO  WHAT'S THE POINT HAVING THEM  COME HERE. SO I'M OKAY.  >> WITH MINOR.  >> VARIANCES TO THE CODE THAT  THEY WOULD BE APPROVED.  ADMINISTRATIVELY SOME OF THE  DEFINITIONS OF MAJOR AND MINOR  THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE ULDC  DOCUMENT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE  SO. I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW  PROCEED, I'M JUST TRYING MAKE  NOTES AND WHAT WOULD BE SOME  REASONABLE CONSENSUS IS THAT  MIGHT GIVE STAFF TO MOVE  FORWARD, I DON'T BUT I'M NOT A  100% WANT COMMISSIONER AS  MUCH.  >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING  >> I MEN LISTEN AND I  APPRECIATE ELAINE, A THE  MISSION OUT THERE.  >> BUT IN CONTRAST WITH  COMMISSIONER LANGDON THEM  SAYING THAT.  >> SHOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING FOR EVERYTHING.  >> I UNDERSTAND THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS DON'T  GET ME WRONG, BUT IF SOMEBODY  COME BEFORE TO HAVE A 3 INCH  VARIANCE ON THEIR POOL CAGE  ARE WE IT SHOULD GO BUT IT'S  WHEN YOU'RE SAYING ALL  EVERYTHING SHOULD HAVE A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. THOSE  ONES SHOULD IS TIME TO SAY SO  WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU  KNOW. VARIANCES NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS AND NOT HAVING THEM.  I THINK STAFF HAS COME BACK  AND TALK ABOUT THE MINOR  CHANGES BE ADMINISTRATIVE  COMPARED TO AND AND THAT'S  MOSTLY EITHER EXISTING  PROPERTY OR NEW RESIDENTIAL IT  DOESN'T INCLUDE. THE NEW  DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW THAT  WOULD ALWAYS HAVE A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IF THE  DAC IN THE BOX IS OVER WITH  THE NEW JUST JUST KEEP THE  MIND ON THOSE THINGS.  >> JUST RESPOND TO ACTION  CHAIR YEAH, I DON'T DISAGREE  WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID  IT WAS NEVER MY INTENTION TO  INDICATE THAT THAT ONE FOOT.  >> ADJUSTMENT OF A POOL WOULD  HAVE TO GO TO A COMMUNITY  MEETING I'M RIGHT IN SYNC WITH  WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT  DEPENDS CHECKED NEW  DEVELOPMENTS MAJOR  DEVELOPMENTS. OTHER THAN THE  ONE IN 2 FAMILY HOMES. SHOULD  HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND  SHOULD COME TO US IF THERE IS  AN APPEAL AS LONG AS IT CAN  FROM A 100% TO THE  >> LINE  >> WE NEED TO STREAMLINE  THINGS BECAUSE.  >> WHERE WHERE. TOO CONVOLUTED  IT. AND IT HURTS SINGLE-FAMILY  DEVELOPMENT AT HERTZ  COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT  AGAIN THE COMMUNITY  INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROCESS IS  ESSENTIAL IN MY MIND AND.  >> AND THINGS THAT ARE OTHER  THAN REALLY MINUTIAE. VARIANTS  IT'S REALLY NEED TO COME TO  THE COMMISSION THAT'S HOW WE  DEFINE THOSE THINGS THAT'S  GOING TO BE A LITTLE TRICKY.  >> I COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU.  >> THANK YOU JUST WANTED PUT  IN MY $0.2 FOR THOSE WHO ARE  BRAVE ENOUGH TO WHERE THE  CONSENSUS AND WE'RE DOING  THAT.  >> I ALSO.  >> AGREEMENT THAT IF IT'S IN A  100%. LYONS, THE LIGHTS THAT  COME BEFORE US BECAUSE WHERE  IT THOSE ARE THE RULE WHEN THE  RULES BUT WITH THIS ULDC  PROCESS FOR YEARS AND THEN WHY  SHOULD IT COME BACK AGAIN TO  BE PICKED APART SO. AND ALSO  THAT GOES TO THE PERSON MAKING  THE APPLICATION YOU SAID THERE  ARE THOSE THAT WANTED TO KNOW  IF THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT'S GOING  DECIDE FOR THEM WHETHER THEY  PERCEIVE IT THAT PROJECT HERE  IN PORT OR GO SOMEPLACE ELSE  AND THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING  ABOUT CAR WASHES. I'M ASSUMING  IT'S BECAUSE THAT'S A PRETTY  EASY THING THAT TO GO THROUGH  THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MANY CAR  WASHES OUT OF THE SAME TYPES  OF OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON.  AND YOU DID MENTION THERE IS  THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND  PUBLIC HEARING A PUBLIC COMES  BEFORE US AND A NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING. THESE WHAT I'VE SEEN  BEING DONE OUT THERE WHEN IT  WAS A PROJECT PROPOSED AND THE  DEVELOPER HAD MEETINGS AND  THEY WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING  TABLE AND THEY MADE  ADJUSTMENTS THAT YEAH THAT IS  PEOPLE SHOULD BE INFORMED OF  WHAT'S GOING ON 500 FEET OF  THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S MORE  THAN A FOOTBALL FIELD OTHER  THAN THAT.  >> YOU KNOW AT SOME POINT JUST  HAVE TO SAY YEAH OK THESE ARE  PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY  PEOPLE AND JUST LIKE WE ALL  FELT OR HOUSES.  >> YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE OTHER  PROPERTIES SHOULD BE ABLE TO  DEVELOP THEM ACCORDINGLY AS  WELL THAT'S REALLY THE BOTTOM  THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP  DEVELOPMENT AND BELIEVE THEM.  THE PERSON SAYING THAT AFTER  ALL THESE DECADES. BEING TOLD  TO THAT WAS THE ONE THAT  WANTED TO STOP DEVELOPMENT.  BUT IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT  WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN PLACE.  AND THAT'S REASONABLE AND JUST  TO CLARIFY ALSO WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT THOSE POLLS THINGS THOSE  WERE VACATION OF EASEMENTS I  BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT THEY  WEREN'T VARIANCES THAT RIGHT  SO THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT  BALL GAME. THANK OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YEAH, JUST JUST TO  WRAP UP THE MASTER CONCEPT  PLAN, YES. THERE'S SOMETHING  TO BE SAID ABOUT HAVING THESE  MEETINGS. THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY  ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP  SOMETHING IN THE CITY. IT IS  AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR  CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND WHY  THIS WHY THE COMMISSION CAN OR  CANNOT APPROVE SOMETHING WHAT  ARE THOSE GROUNDS. IT ALSO  BREEDS TRUST WITH OUR  GOVERNMENT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO  HOST A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN  THE AREA AND WHATEVER THAT  FOOTAGE DISTANCE WHAT HAPPENS  THAT. YOU KNOW THAT THE  CITIZENS GET TO GO OUT AND AND  AND HAVE THEY'RE MEETING WITH  THE DEVELOPER. BUT WHO DO THEY  GET TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS  TO AFTERWARDS THAT'S OUR JOB.  >> AND WE EVEN AND WE HAVE  DONE THIS IN THE PAST WHEN MP  HAS COME BEFORE US AND THE  CITIZENS RIGHT HERE SAYING WE  DON'T LIKE THIS WE DON'T LIKE  THIS FOR WIDE VARIETY OF  REASONS. WE WERE ABLE TO  EDUCATE THEM. AND IT'S THE END  OF THE DAY. YEAH WE TOOK THE  HEAT. AS WE SIT IN THE  KITCHEN. WE TAKE THAT HEAT  THAT'S OUR JOB. WHEN THEY LEFT  THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HAPPY.  BUT THEY WERE EXPLAINED AS TO  WHY WE HAD NO CHOICE AND IF  YOU'RE REMOVING THAT ALL  YOU'RE DOING IS CREATING MORE  JUST TRUST BETWEEN THE  GOVERNMENT AND HAMAS AS  ELECTED OFFICIALS I DON'T KNOW  ABOUT YOU, BUT I KEEP HEARING  IS HOW IT THE CITIZENS AREN'T  HEARD BY THOSE SITTING UP  HERE. WELL WE DON'T GET  OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN CERTAIN  THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO  BECAUSE OF LAW. AND BY HAVING  THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS. IT IS  BENEFICIAL TO THE CITIZENS.  AND I THINK HAVING THESE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WHICH I  KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  HERE IN A MINUTE. IF IS  ALLOWED 100% AND THIS IS A  QUESTION FOR MISTER LAWRY. TO  HELP WITH THE STREAMLINED  TRYING TO FIND A LITTLE BIT OF  A BALANCE. IF IT'S APPROVED A  100%. AND IT'S YOUR PROPOSING  YOU MEANING THE DOCUMENT NOT  YOU LAUREN ARE PROPOSING  ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW WHEN  IT'S A 100% THAT AUTOMATICALLY  MEANS IT DOESN'T GO TO PEAS IF  IT'S A 100%. BUT WE REQUIRE TO  COME TO THE COMMISSION. WOULD  WE BE REQUIRED TO STILL HAVE A  CODE P ZAB EVEN THOUGH IT'S A  100% DID YOU SEE WHERE I'M I'M  GOING WITH TRYING TO FIND A  BALANCE IN A COMPROMISE.  >> TO HELP STREAMLINE IT A  LITTLE BIT NOT RIGHT. I  UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE TRYING  TO GO.  >> THE PLANNING AND ZONING  ADVISORY BOARDS ROLES AND  RESPONSIBILITIES ARE OUT THE  CITY CODE AND THEN THE FLORIDA  STATUTES SO ONE OF THEIR ROLES  AND RESPONSIBILITIES IS TO  REVIEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS  FOR CONSISTENCY WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE  COMPROMISE OPTION. WELL IT'S A  FANTASTIC IDEA DOESN'T WORK  WITH THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.  ZONING ADVISORY BOARD OF A  LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY.  >> BUT IF IT'S BEING A 100%  ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEW. AND  APPROVED. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE  4 P'S ANYHOW.  >> NOW NO IT WAS WITH  >> I GET WHY WOULD IF IT'S  BEEN A 100% APPROVE, BUT I'M  HEARING FROM MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS, THEIRS. THERE'S  A MAJORITY OF US THAT STILL  WANTED TO COME BEFORE THE  COMMISSION. TO HEARD. KNOWING  THAT WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO  APPROVE IT.  >> WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO  DRILL DOWN THE ROLES AND  RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THE  PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS  STATUTORY ARE OUTSIDE LEGAL  COUNSEL WEIGHING IN ON THAT  PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT IS A BIT  OF A STICKY WICKET.  >> SO IF HE'S AT IS TO REVIEW  COMP COMPATIBILITY WITH THE  COMP PLAN. IF IT'S A 100%  ADMINISTRATIVELY REVIEW. THEN  THAT MEANS IT AUTOMATICALLY  MATCHES COMP PLAN. GOING BACK  HE'S THAT HAS NO ROLE. BECAUSE  A COMP PLAN'S BEEN APPROVED  AND MATCHES. BUT WE ARE ASKING  FOR THAT. PROJECT. TO COME  BEFORE COMMISSION BASED ON  WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. SO THE  PROJECT IS COMING BEFORE THE  COMMISSION. FOR OUR REVIEW.  THERE'S NO WAY TO SKIP THE  PEAS UP THAT.  >> LIKE I SAID WE NEED TO LOOK  INTO THAT FURTHER TO SEE IF  WITHIN THE STATUTORY  REQUIREMENTS AND ROLES  RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES.  I'M AND THE CITY HOME FOR THE  PLANNING AND ZONING ADVISORY  BOARD TO SEE IF THERE'S ROOM  FOR THAT COMPROMISE. OF COURSE  WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OUTSIDE  COUNSEL TAKE A LOOK MAKE SURE  THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS.  SO I I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING  WITH A POTENTIAL COMPROMISE  DECISION AND IF THAT'S WHAT  THE COMMISSION WILL  INVESTIGATE UP.  >> BECAUSE THAT COULD SAVE UP  TO A MONTH RIGHT THERE. SO.  >> VICE-MAYOR YEAH, I'M SORRY  TO DO THIS BUT SHE'S SO FOR  CLARIFICATION IF PEACE JOB TO  DETERMINE CAMPOUT  COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMP  PLAN THEY WILL BE SAFE. HOW  WAS STAFF MAKE COMPLY OR  PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE A PUBLIC  HEARING APPROVAL PEAS ROLE IS  TO.  >> TO DETERMINE COMPLIANCE  WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE  CITY MISSION. OKAY SO THE  PROJECT DOES NOT REQUIRE A  PUBLIC HEARING APPROVAL AND  PEAS THAT'S NOT INVOLVED. BUT  FOR EXAMPLE. FOR EXAMPLE, A  TEMPORARY USE PERMIT. HE'S OUT  DOES NOT WEIGH IN ON A  TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IT IS  THROUGH STAFF APPROVAL ONLY.  OKAY SO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T  INVOLVE A PUBLIC HEARING  PROCESS THAT REVIEWING FOR  CONSISTENCY AND RECOMMENDING  TO THE CITY COMMISSIONED A  STUNNING WHAT'S A  DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT  REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING  WE'RE SAYING HERE IF IT  COMPLIES WITH THE COMP PLAN  THE ULDC.  >> AND IT DOESN'T THEN YOU'RE  ASKING THAT SHOULDN'T OR OR  YOU'RE ASKING DO YOU DO FOR A  CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD NOT  REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE A  PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WOULD  BUY ESPYS WHO DETERMINES THAT  YOU GUYS AND THAT'S THE  PROBLEM WITH THIS THE PROBLEM  WITH THIS IS THAT HE'S  ACTUALLY DETERMINE WHETHER OR  NOT COMPLIANCE. LOT STAFF. AND  NOT REALLY A I MEAN IT JUST. I  CAN'T RECONCILE THIS IN MY  HEAD, MAYBE I'M JUST TOO THIS  MORNING WHAT IT'S I CAN'T SEEM  TO RECONCILE THIS. IT'S LIKE.  IF IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC  HEARING WILL WHO DECIDES IF IT  REQUIRES ONE OF THE CRITERIA  FOR DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT  SOMETHING REQUIRES A PUBLIC  HEARING OKAY, SO YOU'RE YOU'RE  PAID PROFESSIONAL STAFF.  >> THE TOURNAMENT IT REQUIRES  A PUBLIC HEARING SO YOUR  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE  REVIEW WORKS. THEY ARE THEY  ARE. CERTIFIED STORM WATER  ENGINEERS CERTIFIED TRAFFIC  ENGINEERS. OUR FIRE FIRE  MARSHAL CERTIFIED. OUR. OUR  PLANNING STAFF ARE CERTIFIED  IT IS OUR JOB TO REVIEW  PROJECTS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH  THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND  TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS UNDER  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE. SO AS A GROUP THE  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE  REVIEWS EVERYTHING. AND IF  THEY FIND.  >> THAT'S SOMETHING DOESN'T  WEAK COLD FRONT 100% THAT THEY  NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT YOU  NEED YOU NEED TO CHANGE OUR  PLAN OR YOU NEED TO REQUEST A  WAIVER TO THE CODE THAT  HAPPENS AS A MATTER COURSE ALL  THE TIME UNDER THE CURRENT  REGULATION, WHAT'S VALUE WAS  PEACE AT.  >> BECAUSE DETERMINING STATUS  AND DON'T GET ME WRONG STAFF  IN MY OPINION. HAS MORE  EXPERTISE ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE  YOUR CREDENTIALS YOUR  EXPERIENCE YOUR NOT SO SO I'M  NOT YOU  KNOW BEING DRY RUN YOU THAT  ABILITY YET THEN HE'S GETS TO  DECIDE WHETHER IT'S IN  COMPLIANCE AND IT'S IT'S LIKE  I'M NOT BACK AND SAY THAT'S  THE WAY THE CITY CODE AS  BRIGHTLY AS IF THE PROJECT  REQUIRES PUBLIC HEARING  APPROVAL HE  >> REVIEWS FOR CONSISTENCY  WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  AND MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS TO  COMMISSION THAT'S HOW WE TALK  HUMANS ARE CURRENTLY RIGHT.  LET ME ADD.  >> IF YOU'RE ULDC IS IN  COMPLIANCE WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT IS  SUPPOSED TO BE AND IF THE  DEVELOPMENT IS 100% IN  COMPLIANCE WITH THE ULDC.  >> THEREFORE.  >> THEREFORE IT IS IN  COMPLIANCE OF CONCRETE PLANT.  WE WILL REVIEW EVERYTHING JUST  MAKE SURE BUT. THAT'S THAT'S  THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK.  ULDC IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN  COMPLIANCE WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT YOU  GUYS DETERMINED.  >> BECAUSE IF YOUR LEVEL OF  EXPERTISE AND YOUR  DEPARTMENT'S YOU SAY THIS IS  100% INCOME AND IF YOU SAYING  THAT THEN THERE'S NO NEED FOR  IT TO GO TO PEACE THERE'S NO  NEED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING  CURRENT FOR THIS COMMISSION AS  CURRENT AND THAT THAT AND SO  I'M NOT SAYING THAT. YOU ARE  THE EXPERTS. SEE VALUE IN  PEACE WHAT.  >> VALUE DOES IT SO IT IN THE  CASE WHERE YOU HAVE. LET  WAIVER SO YES IN THE CASE  WHERE YOU HAVE. AND  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  PROCESS CITIES AND COUNTIES  THAT HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL PROCESSES AND THERE  ARE A LOTS OF THEM OUT THERE.  THEY DON'T SEND THE PROJECTS  TOO.  >> THEY'RE PLANNING BOARD OR  THEIR COMMISSIONER ORG.  >> THEY'RE APPROVED BY STAFF  BECAUSE THE COMMISSION AS THE  GOVERNING BODY HAS THE  AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH  REGULATIONS. STATE WHAT THE  APPROVAL PROCESS THEY'RE GOING  TO AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN  COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW YOU  HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT  BECAUSE YOUR HOMEWORK. IF IT  MEETS IF THE COMMISSION WERE  TO SAY IF IT MEETS THE ULDC  100%. IT COULD BE APPROVED BY  STAND NO PUBLIC HEARINGS  NECESSARY. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE  WAIVERS. OR WHEN YOU HAVE  THINGS WHERE THE PLANNING.  STAFF SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT WE  DON'T REALLY THINK THIS MEETS.  AND I'VE HAD THIS HAPPENED  WITH ADMINISTRATIVE. APPROVAL  PROCESSES WHERE SOMEBODY  SUBMITS A PLAN AND THEY SAY  100% COMPLIANCE WITH THE WITH  THE ULDC MYSELF AND MY STAFF  LOOK AT IT. WE SAY WE  DISAGREE. AND THE APPLICANT  SAYS WELL WE'RE GOING TO AGREE  TO DISAGREE. WE SEND IT TO  PIECES AND AND TO THE  COMMISSION TO MAKE THAT  DETERMINATION. IN THE CASE  WHERE YOU HAVE WAIVER  REQUESTS. THAT IS SOMETHING  WHERE THERE IS SOME  DISCRETION. AND IT IS UP TO  STAFF TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION  IN YOUR PLANNING. BOARD TO  LOOK AT IT AND MAKE THEIR  RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER  THEY THINK. THAT WAIVER MEETS  THE INTENT OF THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.  >> I GOT THAT THANK YOU TO  HELP CLARIFY NOW, I'M BACK A  POINT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  BROUGHT UP WHICH IS. ASSUMING  THIS WILL MAKE YOU NOW I GET  IT SO YOU GUYS. STAFF LEVEL  DETERMINE SOME THINGS IN  COMPLIANCE WITH IT THERE'S NO  NEED. YOU SO IT THEN MOVES  TOO. A PUBLIC MEETING. AND THE  CITIZENS GO TO THIS PUBLIC  MEETING. THEY SHARE THEIR  OPINIONS AND THEY REFUSE. HOW  DOES THAT AND IT'S AND IT'S  IT'S IT'S NEGATIVE. IT'S YOU  KNOW WE DON'T LIKE THIS  PROJECT IT WAS IT'S TO DANCE  IT'S TOO HIGH, IT'S TO  WHATEVER. TO THE CITIZENS GET.  A PUSH THAT TO COMMISSION HOW  DOES THIS FIND A WAY TO  COMMISSION FOR US TO WITH THE  FACT THAT THE CITIZENS ARE  UNHAPPY WITH THE PROJECT THAT  MEETS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE  COMP PLAN AND THE ULDC AND NOW  DON'T GET ME WELL, WE HAVE  FOLLOW LAW I GET THAT. AND BUT  TO NOT ALLOW THE CITIZENS TO  COME BEFORE THEIR  COMMISSIONERS WHO THEY ELECT.  AND SPEAK THEIR MIND. AND  ALLOW US THEN TO ASK THE  QUESTIONS AND HAVE THAT  DIALOGUE. THAT EXPLAINS WHY  EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE PUBLIC  OPINION MAY NOT SHARE. THE  SAME YOU KNOW MAY NOT BE HAPPY  WITH IT. THE LAW PRESCRIBES  THIS THAT PROCESS RIGHT THERE  IS A I THINK REAL CRITICAL  PROCESS REALLY DO I AND I AND  I THINK IT PLAYS TO WHAT WE  ALL THE TIME AND DON'T GET ME  WRONG. MOST OF THE TIME WHEN  THE PUBLIC SAYS. I KNOW WE  DON'T KNOW WE'RE NOT LIST THE  TRUTH I DON'T KNOW THAT I BUY  THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY  DIDN'T TRY HARD ENOUGH I THINK  THAT THAT THE TRANSPARENCY IN  THE DOES EXIST IN MOST CASES,  BUT I THINK THAT PROCESS OF  HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THAT  COME BEFORE US 4 FOR THIS  DIALOGUE IS IMPORTANT AND I  DON'T KNOW HOW WE JUMP THAT  STEP.  >> WHAT IF I IF MAY IT'S ONE  OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE THIS  COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE APPEAL  PROCESS AND I APOLOGIZE IT'S  IN HERE AND I MISSED IT WOULD  BE HELPFUL FOR TO HEAR WHAT  THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND  COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE IT IS  TOO.  >> FRIENDS SCREEN UP PLEASE.  OKAY SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.  >> THE PUBLIC CAN BRING ISSUES  TO THE COMMISSION ON THE CASE  OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECT  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HAPPENS.  IT'S THE PROJECT SLATED FOR  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. THE  FIRST ANYONE CAN GET PUBLIC  INPUT TO THE CITY COMMISSION  AT  ANY TIME. CITY COMMISSIONER,  AND I DON'T LIKE THE HIGH IN  THIS ZONING DISTRICT WE THINK  YOU SHOULD CHANGE THAT AND  MAKE IT. NOT TALL. THEY CAN.  AFTER IF THE PROJECT IS  APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY THEY  CAN APPLY FOR AN APPEAL. THEY  CAN ALSO APPLY TO HAVE. THE  CITY COMMISSION CONSIDER AN  AMENDMENT TO THE TEXT OF THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  OR THE COP HUNTS PLANT.  >> SO WHILE THE APPEAL PROCESS  WORKS IT IS UNDER CHAPTER 2  ARTICLE 2 UNDER OUR  DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION TYPES.  THE DECISION MAKERS. I'M  DETERMINED BY THE TYPE OF  APPLICATION. SO I'M GOING TO  BOUNCE BACK TO THE DECISION  MAKERS FROM MOUNT MONTH. SO  THAT YOU CAN GET INDICATION OF  WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT THERE.  WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS AND ON A  SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE. I AGAIN WE'VE  HAD SOME COMMENTARY THAT  SHOULD COME TO THE COMMISSION  AND NOT ZONING HEARING  OFFICER. WE CAN CERTAINLY  UPDATE THE COMMUTES MISSIONS  CONSENSUS. THE WAY THE CURRENT  CODE IS STRUCTURED. IS THAT  ANY APPEALS OF INTERPRETATION.  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE ADMINISTRATOR. OR THE  ULDC GO TO ZONING HEARING  OFFICER, SO THAT'S WHY WE  STRUCTURED IT THIS WAY IF THE  COMMISSION PREFERS THAT  APPEALS FOR SITE DEVELOPMENT  AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS WE  CAN CERTAINLY UPDATE THIS  TABLE AND MAKE SO WE BASE THIS  ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE  CURRENT CODE IF SOMEONE HAS A  PROBLEM WITH THE. WITH WITH  THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT  SERVICES INTERPRETATION OF THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT  CURRENT LEE IS HURT BY STOP.  IF THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH  THE INTERPRETATION. THAT IS  CURRENTLY HEARD BY THE ZONING  BOARD OF APPEALS. SO WE CAN  CERTAINLY UPDATE THIS SOFA SAY  FOR EXAMPLE, THE SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN IS APPROVED  ADMINISTRATIVELY. WE THIS  TABLE TO MAKE THAT  CONSIDERATION OR THAT APPEAL  TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY  COMMISSION. THAT THE PERSON  THE PERSON OR PERSONS IF IT'S  A NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP FIOL. THE  APPEAL WITH THE CITY. THEY  NEED TO FILE THAT APPEAL  WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THAT SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY  PROVED. THEY NEED TO PROVIDE  APPLICATION. THEY NEED TO  EXPLAINING STUFF UP THE  DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND. THE  REASON FOR THEIR APPEAL. IF  IT'S BASED ON A INTERPRETATION  THEY NEED TO PROVIDE A COPY OF  THAT AND THEN THEY NEED TO  REFERENCE WHITE ULDC  PROVISIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH  THE APPEAL AND WANT PORTIONS  OF THE ULDC THAT THEY BELIEVE  OR NOT UPHELD AND THE  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. AND  WANTS STAFF RECEIVES  APPLICATION WE SCHEDULE UP FOR  PUBLIC HEARINGS IN THE U.S..  POSSIBLE.  >> IF IT WAS IF IT IS APPEAL  THAT'S RELATED TO A SPECIFIC  PROPERTY, IT'S HANDLED WITH  NOT JUST TO THE PUBLIC.  >> COMMISSIONER LET ME THAT  TRYING DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT  TO GET A COUPLE POINTS OF  CLARIFICATION I WANT TO DRILL  DOWN A LITTLE BIT BUT YOU KNOW  IT SO 30 DAYS TO FILE AN  APPEAL IS THERE A COST  INVOLVED IN FILING A PART OF  THE CITIZEN.  >> YES, THERE IS A COST OR AN  APPEAL.  >> MUCH. I DO NOT REMEMBER OFF  THE TOP OF  >> I'M SENSING SOME 50.  >> ALANA THANKS IT'S WE CAN  CONFIRM THAT THAT'S AND THEN  UNIFY FILED WITHIN 30 DAYS.  >> THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  HELD WITH THE PUBLIC KNOW IT  WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT WAS  ABOUT TO THE REGULAR UPDATE  ELAINE AUCTIONED.  >> I MEAN MY LAST CITY NOT  ONLY DID WE NOTIFY OF NEW  PROJECTS COMING AND WE  ACTUALLY KEPT A RUNNING TALLY.  AS TO THE STATUS OF THOSE  PROJECTS FROM START TO FINISH.  >> ONLY REASON I SAY TRYING TO  LOOK PRACTICAL, USUALLY.  >> THEY'RE USUALLY VERY MUCH  IN TOUCH WITH THE PLANNING  DEPARTMENT WANTING TO KNOW THE  STATUS OF THE PROJECT,  ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS A A  PERSON OR A GROUP OF PERSONS  WHO INTEND TO APPEAL THAT  DECISION. USUALLY STAY IN  CLOSE TOUCH WITH THE  DEPARTMENT AND WANT TO KNOW  THE STATUS WHERE IS THIS  PROJECT IS IT AND FIRST REVIEW  A SUDDEN SECOND REVIEW. WHAT  ARE THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES IS  IT GOING SO SO WHAT WOULD BE  ON THE PUBLIC LIST AND  PUBLISHED WELL BEFORE.  >> EVEN YOU GUYS CAME  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  CRITERIA AND THEY'RE GOING TO  KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IF THE  COMMISSION WANTS.  >> TO ENSURE THAT ALL PROJECTS  HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  THEY'RE ALREADY THAT IT'S  BEING CONSIDERED THROUGH THAT  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TAKE  PLACE AHEAD OF I THOUGHT THE  MINNESOTA PUT THE PUBLIC  MEETING TAKES PLACE AFTER SO  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING THAT WE  WERE DISCUSSING WOULD TAKE  PLACE PRIOR TO THE  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.  TRIPLE KATE SO THEY WOULD BE  NOTICED THEY WOULD HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE  DEVELOPER BEFORE ANYTHING IS  APPROVED. THOSE COMMENTS AND  DISCUSSION QUESTIONS THE  ANSWERS ON THOSE MEETING NOTES  WOULD COME TO STAFF BEFORE  IT'S ADMINISTRATIVELY A PLACE  THAT WE COULD SEE WHAT THE  NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS AND  COULD MAKE DETERMINATION AS TO  WHETHER THERE'S ANY.  >> ANY MOVEMENT THERE THAT WE  COULD MAY 2. ACCOMMODATE THOSE  CONCERNS.  >> SO SO THEY THEY WOULD KNOW  THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING  CONSIDERED AND THEN I WAS  TALKING ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN  PLANNING WHO HAS BEEN VERY  CLOSELY WORKING WITH OUR NEW  ACELA PROGRAM. WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE MUCH BETTER REPORTING  CAPABILITIES FOR SELLER AND  THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO HAVE  MUCH. EASIER ACCESS TO SEE  WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED WHERE  THINGS ARE IN THE PROCESS. SO  THAT'S GOING TO GOOD TOOL FOR  US TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT  INFORMATION AND AND TO BRING  THIS.  >> 2 2 REAL PRACTICAL LEVEL,  I'M A CITIZEN. I LIVE IN A  NEIGHBORHOOD SUN'S GOING TO BE  BUILT WITH HIM. YOU CLOSE  PROXIMITY. AND AND NOT HAPPY  WITH IT. SO I GOT TO SPEND  $750. AND THEN FURTHERMORE I  GOT PUT TOGETHER ALL MY  REASONS BECAUSE IT'S A PROCESS  BY WHICH I HAVE TO FILE MY  WHICH I GOT TO GET DONE WITHIN  30 DAYS. IN ORDER TO GET THIS  APPEALED TO THE POINT WHERE HE  SAID WELL LOOK AT IT AND IT  WILL EVENTUALLY FIND ITS WAY  BEFORE THE COMMISSION SO THAT  I CAN STAND UP AND LISTEN TO  COME TO THE MEETING AND LISTEN  TO MY BY ELECTED OFFICIALS  TALK THIS THROUGH IN A PUBLIC  FORUM AND I AND I GUESS.  THAT'S PUTTING AN AWFUL LOT OF  HURDLES IN FRONT OF THE  AVERAGE CITIZEN WHO MAY BE  JUST REALLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND  IT. NOW NOW GRANTED THAT  PUBLIC CITIZEN COULD REACH OUT  TO AWAY IN U.S. LORI AND SAY  COULD I COME IN LIVE IN THIS  NEIGHBORHOOD, MS. PROJECTS  GIVEN THE BRAIN DAMAGE. I NEED  TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER I  SUPPOSE THEY COULD SOLVE THEIR  PROBLEM THAT WAY BUT IN ORDER  TO GET IT BEFORE COMMISSION  AND HAVE COMMISSIONERS HAVE  DISCUSSION. IT'S A LOT OF  HURDLES THAT. CONCERNS ME  LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY IT  CONCERNS AND I GET THE PROCESS  AND ALL I KNOW THERE HAS TO BE  PROCESS FOR EVERYTHING BUT. I  MEAN THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.  >> IF I CAN TAG SET UP MAKES A  SMALL BUT JUST TO HAVE A  CONVERSATION I ALSO REACTED TO  THE 7.50.  >> I'M AT AND.  >> I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BE  A CHALLENGE FOR RESIDENTS IN  DEALING WITH THIS IS THE  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBJECTING  TO THE ULDC. WHICH ALLOWS  MAKING ALL OF THIS UP 5  STORIES. THEY DON'T LIKE IT.  THEY WANT TO APPEAL IT. BUT  IT'S IN THE ULDC SO WELL  RIGHT. WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING  TO DO AND I'M I'M NOT STATING  THAT SOME TRYING TO GET AN  ANSWER ON THIS. IT'S AN  INTERPRETATION OF THE ULDC.  WOULD GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS  CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME.  >> SOMEONE JUST DOESN'T LIKE  THE RULES FOR US IS SOMEONE  THINKS THE RULES ARE BEING  MISAPPLIED.  >> AND THEIR SITUATION CAN YOU  HELP MOVE THAT SO LET GIVE YOU  AN EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY  LET'S DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND  IT'S IT'S. AND THEY'RE LOUD BE  40. AND THE NEIGHBOR SAYS I  DON'T LIKE IT. DON'T WANT IT  TO BE I WANT TO BE 30 FEE. I  DON'T WANT TO BE TALLER THAN  MY HOUSE.  >> USUALLY IT'S I DON'T WANT  IT ALL AROUND SO I GUESS FROM  THAT FROM THAT'S IT THAT'S A  CASE WHERE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY  WITH THE CODE. OKAY, THAT'S  WHAT THEY DON'T WANT ANY  DEVELOPMENT TO GO THERE. SO  THAT'S A THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH  THE COAT. AND THAT'S WHERE  THEY'RE AVENUE WOULD BE TO GO  TO THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND  SAY I WANT YOU TO CHANGE CODE.  IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO IS  TRYING TO DEVELOP THEIR  PROPERTY AND THEY MEET ALL OF  THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ULDC  THEY'RE LOUD SAY THEY'RE  ALLOWED 40 FEET BUT THERE  REALLY ARE.  >> 50 FATE IN THEIR EARLY  GOING 40 FEET.  >> HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T TURN  YOU CAN'T DENY THAT WOULD  THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT AN  APPEALABLE GRAIL IT. THERE  THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE SO  THINK WHAT WE'RE DRIVING THAT  AND CERTAINLY WHAT I'M DRIVING  AT.  >> IS HOW DO WE KEY.  THE. RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING  IMPACTED BY THAT IN THE LOOP.  SO YOU KNOW THINGS COME TO US  NOW.  >> AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO GO  BY THE COMMISSION OR  MCDOWELL'S POINT IT DOES GIVE  US.  >> AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE  COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO  PUBLICLY TALK THROUGH THAT SO  THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND MIGHT  NOT LIKE IT. BUT THESE ARE THE  CURRENT RULES IS VALUE AND  THAT.  >> RIGHT SO YOU NEED TO HAVE  YOU WITH TRADE PROCESS WITH AN  APPEAL PROCESS OR YOU DON'T  HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR.  >> IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO  SEE AND HEAR. EVERY PROJECT  THEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT  SUGGEST THAT BUT HERE'S THE  THING, HERE'S WHAT I'M DRIVING  AT BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED.  >> AND IN A STRAIGHT PROCESS.  THIS MIGHT BE HARRIS. THEY  SOME OF MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS I REALLY DON'T  THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT  EVERYTHING. WE HAVE A  PROFESSIONAL STAFF, WE'RE VERY  CLOSE TO HAVING A VERY  SPECIFIC AND CLEAR ULDC WE  NEED ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. I  JUST DON'T WANT THE COMMUNITY  THAT'S IMPACTED BY THAT  DEVELOPMENT TO BE LEFT OUT OF  THE PROCESS DOESN'T MEAN  EVERYTHING SHOULD COME TO NOW.  SO BUT HOW DO WE HAVE IT AND I  THINK THE APPEAL PROCESS LAID  OUT IN THE $750 IS APPROPRIATE  IF THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO.  APPEAL THE DECISION THAT STAFF  MATES. BUT WHAT KIND OF  COMPANION PROCESS THAT MAY OR  MAY NOT BE THE APPEAL PROCESS.  HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE  COMMUNITY DOESN'T GET LEFT  BEHIND. SO YOU GET THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IT'S  GOING TO BE A QUESTION AND  WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR IS WE  WANT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  FOR ALL PROJECTS, YES, SO THAT  WOULD BE MAILED NOTICES ALL OF  THOSE PEOPLE HAVE WRITE AND SO  THAT THAT IS ONE WAY FOR THEM  TO BE INVOLVED. WE WILL  INCREASE OUR COMMUNICATION ON  PROJECTS AND PROJECTS THAT ARE  I WILL SAY THAT AS FAR AS A  FEE FOR AN APPEAL. THERE'S A  LOT OF STAFF TIME AND HARD  COST ADVERTISEMENTS THAT GO  INTO AN APPEAL. AND IF YOU  DON'T HAVE. UP BE FOR AN  APPEAL. WE WILL GET AN APPEAL  AND EVERY PROCHE SO I I GUESS  SO IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THE  DEALS RIGHT PLACE THAT IS  GENERAL FUND THERE IS NO  SPECIAL. DISTRICT PAYS INTO  THAT SO EVERYBODY'S TAXES  GOING TOWARDS THE GENERAL FUND  AND WE PAY FOR. THE PLANNING  STAFF THROUGH THOSE  APPLICATION FEES. THEY COME IN  AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.  BUT WHEN WE HAVE HARD COSTS.  FOR A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.  THAT'S WHEN WE CHARGE THOSE  FEES. WE ANSWER QUESTIONS ALL  DAY LONG EVERY DAY YOU KNOW.  TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AT NO  COST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE  DO. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO  SPECIFIC PROPERTIES IN GOING  OFF GOING TO TAKE MONTHS. AND  IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU  KNOW WE'D BE ABLE IT REALLY  COMES DOWN TO IF THE  COMMISSION WANTS TO HEAR EVERY  PROJECT IF THE COMMISSION  WANTS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR  EVERY PROJECT AND WE WON'T  HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL PROCESS. BECAUSE  THOSE 2 YOU KNOW YOU EITHER  HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL PROCESS FOR CERTAIN  DEVELOPMENTS AND YOU HAVE  COMPANION APPEAL PROCESS THAT  CAN BE DONE.  >> AND TYPICALLY IF WE'RE. IF  WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF  PUSHBACK FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD.  THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST  ONE NEIGHBOR PAYS THE 7.50  FILE AN APPEAL IT'S GOING TO  BE A GROUP DON'T PULL THEIR  MONEY SO MAY $10 PERSON OR  MAYBE A $100 PER PERSON.  >> PER HOUSEHOLD OR SO YOU'RE  GOING TO GET A GOOD ABOUT THEM  IF THERE'S REALLY AN  APPEALABLE ISSUE. IT'S  IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT IF  YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC.  HEARING PROCESS. BEFORE  DEVELOPMENT IS APPROVED. THEN  YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN  ADMINISTRATOR.  >> NO I TOTALLY GET THAT AND  AS LONG AS THE COMMUNITY  MEETING IS REQUIRED FOR ALL  NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE ONE IN 2  FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.  >> I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT I  SEE IT GOING THAT WAY YOU KNOW  THAT THEY'RE MY SON, YOU WERE  IN OR WHEN IT COMES TO.  >> HOW ARE WE MADE AWARE WHEN  A COMMUNITY REALLY HAS MAJOR  ANGST WITH SOMETHING.  >> GOING ON I'M A LITTLE AND I  THINK I DO THINK THAT'S ON  STAFF WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR  COMMUNICATION WITH THE  COMMISSION. SET SO THAT'S JUST  YOU SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT  INFORMATION UP FRONT, I'M I'VE  WORKED IN COMMUNITIES WHERE  YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE THOSE THE  SUMMARIES THAT GO OUT EVERY  MONTH I'VE SEEN OTHER  COMMUNITIES THAT DO THAT WHERE  EVERY MONTH YOU GET A STATUS  REPORT ON ON DEVELOPMENT AND I  THINK IT'S NEEDED IS SOMETHING  WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY TIME TO  PUT TOGETHER.  >> BUT OUR REPORTING  CAPABILITIES ARE GOING TO BE  MUCH MORE ENHANCED WITH THE  SELLER AND WE WILL HAVE AND  EASIER METHOD FOR DOING THAT  AND I THINK THAT'S JUST ONE  TOOL WE CAN USE TO  COMMUNICATE.  >> I MEAN, I'M I'M  COMFORTABLE. AND WHAT SORT OF  WE HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS, IT  DOESN'T SEEM TO BE HORRIBLY  ARDUOUS. $750 IS A LITTLE GOLF  BALL BUT. I UNDERSTAND. NOW WE  HAVE TO WEED OUT FRIVOLOUS  KINDS OF THINGS. BUT I THINK.  FOR ME IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH  THAT. AND I REALLY WANT TO  WATCH IT. I THINK WE REALLY  NEED TO HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT IN  TERMS OF HOW IT'S GOING. I  WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE  COMMUNITIES THAT MIGHT BE  IMPACTED BY THAT KIND OF  DEVELOPMENT TO REACH OUT TO  THEIR COMMISSIONER AND HAVE A  CONVERSATION. AND AND I'M  ALWAYS HAPPY TO HAVE WITH A  RESIDENT, HIS LIKING OR NOT  LIKING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE  DOING SO. YEAH WE JUST WE JUST  REALLY NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON  BECAUSE I THINK I SPEAK FOR  ALL OF US WE DON'T WANT TO SEE  THE RESIDENCE. LEFT BEHIND IN  THIS PROCESS AND THEY NEED TO  FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A VOICE.  CONDUCTING A PUBLIC MEETING.  AND WE KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME  IS GOING TO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO  GO BY A LOT RIGHT THINK THAT'S  SUFFICIENT. BUT IF WE HAVE  MANDATORY COMMUNITY MEETINGS  AND WE HAVE A RELATIVELY EASY  PROCESS FOR APPEAL. AND AND  RESIDENTS KNOW THEY CAN ALWAYS  AND FORMALLY GO TO THEIR  COMMISSIONER AND SHOULD IF  THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH  SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE  COMMUNITY. LET'S DO IT BUT  LET'S REALLY KEEP AN EYE ON  MAYBE WE HAVE AN AGENDA TOPIC  SO MANY MONTHS AND THEN HAVE A  CONVERSATION WITH HOW IT'S  GOING WE CAN SHARE WHAT WE'RE  HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY AND  TAKE A LOOK AT WE NEED TO HAVE  AN ADMINISTRATIVE WE  DEFINITELY DO. BUT WE JUST  NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE  VOICE OF THE RESIDENTS AS OF  LAST AND THAT.  >> I THINK AT SOME POINT  WHETHER IT'S 6 MONTHS AFTER  THIS IS ADOPTED OR. IF YOU'RE  I THINK REGULAR UPDATES TO THE  COMMISSION AS TO HOW. THE  STATUS OF IT IS GOING FOR  INSTANCE, HOW MANY AT HOW MANY  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS HAVE  WE AND HOW MANY APPEALS HAVE  SEE. OR YOU KNOW HOW MANY HOW  YOU KNOW DIFFERENT. I'M SO  THAT PATIENTS HAVE GONE  THROUGH THESE DIFFERENT TYPES  OF I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO  UNDERSTANDING HOW WELL THE  CODE IS WORKING THAT WOULD BE  TERRIFIC GUY I'D BE REALLY TO  REALLY TRACK THAT HAVE A  PUBLIC CONVERSATION.  >> REGARDING PROGRESS.  >> THAT SOMETIMES THAT TAKES  TIME.  >> 4.  >> PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF  THIS TIME COST IN ANOTHER CITY  IT TOOK ABOUT A YEAR. FOR  INDIVIDUALS TO START REALIZING  THAT IT WASN'T SO DIFFICULT TO  CODE REQUIREMENTS PUT TOGETHER  A 100% CODE COMPLIANT PLAN. SO  YOU KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER ABOUT  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS IT  ENCOURAGES COMPLIANCE. WITH  OUR REGULATIONS RATHER FOR  MODIFICATIONS OR WAIVERS FOR  EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES  BEFORE YOU PASS TO COME BEFORE  YOU AND WAY WHY DON'T THEY ASK  FOR THE AND WAIVERS AND  MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOME  BECAUSE IT NEEDS FOR YOU LET  >> I JUST RECEIVED SOME REALLY  GOOD PERSON WHO'S BEEN WORKING  FOR PLANNING ON ACELA. LET ME  KNOW THAT I'M ON ANY  APPLICATION. WE CAN ADD  INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE TO THAT  APPLICATION PROCESS AND ANY  TIME SOMETHING HAPPENS ON  APPLICATION WHETHER COMMENTS  PULL OUT APPROVAL HAPPENS THEY  WILL GET EMAIL NOTIFICATION.  SO THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING WE  HAVE NO WAY TO DO RIGHT THAT'S  THAT IS A GREAT FEATURE WITH  ACELA IF I CAN JUST ASK A  QUESTION REGARDING THAT ONE, I  KNOW COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL HAS  BEEN IMPATIENTLY WAITING TO  HERE WITH MY  >> THAT REPORTING MECHANISM  AND I GUESS I'M I'M LOOKING TO  DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY.  >> THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE ON  THAT LIST OR WOULD THE  COMMISSIONER. RACINE JUST THAT  COMMUNICATION STRAIN SO FOR ME  PROJECTS GOING ON IN DISTRICT  2. YOU KNOW.  >> WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE  NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE THIS  COULD VERY WELL BE A NON ISSUE  BECAUSE TO A YEAR. WHAT  SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST BEING  ON A COMMUNICATIONS STREAM AND  HAVING SO SO ANY APPEALED  PROJECT IN DISTRICT 2 WOULD GO  TO COMMISSION COMMISSIONER  LANGDON FOR EXAMPLE IS THAT  ANY KIND VIOLATION. WHEN MEAN  IT SEEMS THAT ADMINISTRATIVE  PROCESS WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO  SEE IF IT WOULD LEGALLY  PROHIBITED ANYWAY RIGHT.  >> BUT THAT SOME SOME PRETTY  MUCH ADMINISTRATIVE HOUSING  WANT THAT DISTRIBUTED.  >> I MEAN IT'S IT'S JUST ACC  RIGHT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE  PEOPLE SIGNING UP FOR THE  NOTIFICATIONS ON THE WEBSITE  WHEN THEY GET NOTIFIED OF ANY  GETTING NEWS THAT GOES OUT.  IT'S IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO SO  MAKE IT ALL OF US AND THEN  ENDS UP BEING TYPICALLY IF  WE'RE GOING END AND I DON'T  SPEAK THE TYPICALLY IF WE CAN  GET ONE. COMMISSIONER GET ALL  BUT IT'S IT'S A GREAT FEATURE  THAT ACELA HAS THAT JUST  SIMPLY HAVE NO WAY OF DOING  RIGHT BUT THAT IS GREAT WAY  FOR SAYS IT'S A GREAT EVERYONE  IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDY  COULD BE SIGNED UP ON THAT  PROJECT AND SO THEY GET NOTICE  THE EMAIL. ANYTIME SOMETHING  HAPPENS ON THAT PROJECT AT THE  COMMUNITY MEETING THAT COULD  SIGN UP FOR THAT COMMUNITY  MEETING TYPICALLY YOU HAVE THE  NAME OF THE PERSON WHO ATTENDS  AND YOU HAVE THEIR E-MAIL  ADDRESS. AND SO THAT'S  SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDED TO  AND THEY WOULD GET LIKING HIM  IN MY MIND THAT JUST REALLY  KEEPS.  >> THE RESIDENTS IN THAT  NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVED IN UP TO  DATE ON WHAT'S GOING I REALLY  LIKE AND THAT WENT TO THE 30  APPEAL PERIOD. THEY WOULD BE  NOTICED IMMEDIATELY. YOU HIT  APPROVED IN ACELA YEAH  EVERYONE ON THAT LIST IT DOES  HAVE GETS NOTICED. OKAY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> LORI HAD BROUGHT UP PAGE 27  OF THE APPEALS PROCESS. I'D  LIKE TO JUST. I MADE THE  COMMENTS THAT THERE'S BEEN NO  APPEALS. MADE TO ZONING  HEARING OFFICER THAT'S BECAUSE  IT COMES BEFORE THE COMMISSION  FIRST. BY REMOVING THAT A  BUILDING. COMMISSION TO HEAR  IT YOU WILL START SEEING A LOT  APPEALS. AND IN MY OPINION  THOUGH IT'S THOSE APPEAL  SHOULD BE COMING TO THE  COMMISSION. THAT WAY THEN IT'S  A HEARING WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN  COME THEY CAN THEY CAN GIVE  THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT TO THEIR  ELECTED OFFICIALS BECAUSE THE  HEARING OFFICERS ONLY  APPOINTED. AND ONCE THAT  PERSON IS APPOINTED VERY  LITTLE INPUT FROM THE  COMMISSION TO OVERSEE THEM IS  DONE BECAUSE WE KIND OF GOT TO  STAY AWAY. FROM FROM THEIR  WILL. THE MASTER CONCEPT PLAN  IS TALKS ABOUT WAIVERS. AND  I'M SORRY I'M GOING TO GO BACK  TO PAGE 38. A BUFFER REDUCTION  OR PARKING REDUCTION. OR A  BUILDING HEIGHT INCREASE IS  NOT. VARIANTS THAT SHOULD BE  APPROVED BY ANYBODY BUT THIS  COMMISSION ACTUALLY A WAIVER  OF IT JUST HAS A DIFFERENT  NAME TO IT. SO I REALLY THINK  THAT THE BC AND D ON PAGE 38  NEEDS TO PART OF THAT WEAVER  PROCESS. THIS GIVES THE  CITIZENS THE OPPORTUNITY TO  COME FORWARD AND SAY HEY  YOU'RE INCREASING THE BUILDING  HEIGHT, OR HEY YOU'RE REDUCING  THE BUFFER.  >> AND IT'S BETWEEN ME AND  THIS INCOMPATIBLE LAND USE.  >> SO.  >> I HEAR. I'M STILL KIND OF  UNSURE WHICH WE MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING WITH  MASTER CONCEPT PLAN COMING  BEFORE COMMISSION. IN MY MIND  IT ABSOLUTELY HAS HE'S I DON'T  THINK IT DOES. BECAUSE IF IT'S  A 100%.  >> ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND  REGULATIONS OF THE ULDC  THERE'S NO NEED TO GO BEFORE  PIECE  >> BUT IT SHOULD COME TO THE  COMMISSION WERE THE ELECTED  BODY. GRANTED THE DECISION IS  ALREADY IN THE BOOKS. BUT IT'S  AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO  GIVES THE CITIZENS AN  OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND VOICE  THEIR CONCERNS TO US. THAT'S  OUR I KNOW THEY CAN DO THAT  ANYWAY. THAT A PUBLIC HEARING  WE CAN'T ACT ON PUBLIC  COMMENT. WE CAN'T RESPOND  PUBLIC COMMENT WE CAN TO  ANSWER QUESTIONS AT PUBLIC  COMMENT. BUT ACTION AFTER SHE  CAN YOU TAKE YOU HAVE TO PUT  IT ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS WAY  PAST THE 30 DAY IT. JUST HAVE  BEEN HURT. IT'S 30 DAYS ONCE  ONCE IT'S READY FOR  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PUT IT  ON THE AGENDA AND HAVE THE  COMMISSION HEAR IT.  >> DIDN'T KNOW THE QUESTION OF  HAVE A REQUEST I RIGHT. WHAT  GREAT. I I COULDN'T AGREE WITH  THAT OKAY AND THEN MAYBE WE  CAN HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND  THEN START.  >> CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT  WITH REGARD TO WHAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SAID  UNLIKE BY ALL MEANS DECIDED  BREAK TOO. BUT. WHAT WOULD  PREVENT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT  PREVENT OK UP PROJECTS NOTICE  NOW. GOING FORWARD THESE  PROJECTS GOING TO BE OUT THERE  PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE AWARE  THAT THE FIRM BEFORE THEY GET  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND  AND A GROUP OF CITIZENS AREN'T  LIKE CRAZED OVER A PARTICULAR  PROJECT. THEY'RE GOING TO  REACH OUT LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO  TO US AS COMMISSIONERS. WE'RE  GOING TO GET INUNDATED WITH  EMAILS IS THERE ANYTHING THE  FOREST ALSO COMMISSIONER FROM  SAYING. I WOULD LIKE THIS TO  HE PUT ON THE AGENDA AT FOR  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION. IT'S EVEN PERHAPS  BEFORE THE ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL THAT'S TRUE BECAUSE  IT A REACTION TO A PUBLIC  MEETING AND AGAIN IT BRINGS  SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO US IS  THERE ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS  THAT.  >> SPOKE TO ONE LANE WAS  INDICATING DON'T HIDE THEIR  START OF APPROVAL PROCESS OR  YOU'RE YOU KNOW THAT THE  COMMISSION BRING ANYTHING FOR  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A  CONVERSATION ABOUT A PROJECT  OF THEIRS. IF YOU HAVE AN  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  PROCESS THAT'S THE WAY THE  PROJECT IS GOING TO BE  APPROVED SO YOU CAN PUT IT ON  AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT IT. GIVE  OPPORTUNITY FOR SPECIFIC  PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT CHART POP  ABOUT IT. YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE  TO ALL THE TRIGGER AN IMPOSE  PUBLIC HEARING REQUIREMENT FOR  A PROJECT THAT IS AUTHORIZED  FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL  UNDER THE CAP. ADDITIONALLY.  >> BUT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE  TO DO IS. IF THAT PROJECT IS  100% COMPLIANCE YOU LDC AND  YOU HAVE A LARGE CONTINGENT  COMING UP. AGAINST THE PROJECT  AND THE DEVELOPERS STANDING  HERE AND THE COMMISSION SAYS.  >> WELL WOULD YOU CONSIDER  INCREASING YOUR BUFFER BY  TWICE THE AMOUNT OR WOULD YOU  CONSIDER LOWERING YOUR HIGH OR  WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A  LITTLE POCKET PARK FOR THE  NEIGHBORHOOD OVER HERE TO HELP  EASE. THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO  A WORLD PROBLEM LOOKING AT  DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY THAT'S  WHERE WE GET INTO A PROBLEM  WITH EXTRACTIONS YOUR. THE  PRESSURE FOR YOU TO DO THAT  REALLY TRYING TO AVOID.  BECAUSE THAT PRESSURE WILL  COME. IT WILL BE THERE.  >> IT'S IT'S.  >> AS WE SAID IT'S HER  ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHT OR IT  ISN'T AND THERE ARE PROS AND  CONS. SO ALL OF IT.  >> AND IF I JUST MAY ADD TO  SOMETHING VICE MAYOR SAID  THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE SORT OF  SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES HOUSE  STAFF INTERACTING WITH THE  DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY  HAS BEEN ABLE TO ORCHESTRATE  AND AGREEABLE PATH FORWARD TO  ALL PARTIES. I WOULD I WOULD  RATHER HAVE WORKED THAT WAY  THEN FOR US TO GET INVOLVED IN  SOME OF THOSE SPECIFIC  DETAILS. NUMBER ONE WITH ALL  DUE RESPECT TO US. WE DON'T  HAVE THE EDUCATION BACKGROUNDS  THAT OUR STAFF DOES. AND IN IN  MY HUMBLE OPINION WITH WHAT  I'VE SEEN STAFF HAS DONE AN  INCREDIBLE JOB, WORKING WITH  DEVELOPERS AND COMMUNITY FIND  SOME AGREEMENT THEY'RE CLOSEST  TO IT, LET THEM GIVE IT THEIR  BEST SHOT IF IT DOESN'T WORK  IT GOES THAT WHEN APPEALS  PROCESS AND IT COMES TO US. I  THINK WE WE HAVE A STRUCTURE  THAT CAN WORK. IT'S NEW IT'S  DIFFERENT FOR THE CITY. LET'S  LET IT WORK WILL MONITOR IT  CLOSELY AND AS WE NEED TO MAKE  ADJUSTMENTS TO IT WILL MAKE  ADJUSTMENTS TO IT. BUT IT  SEEMS TO ME THE BONES ARE IN  PLACE FOR A WORKABLE PROCESS  THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE OUR  RESIDENTS BEHIND IN THAT  PROCESS AND THAT'S THE MOST  IMPORTANT THING. LET'S KIND OF  DO IT WILL MONITOR IT IF IT'S  NOT WORKING WELL, SEX. THANK  YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP THERE  IT IT IS OR DOESN'T I DON'T I  DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WITH  THESE CONVERSATIONS WERE GOING  IT'S WORST THING A 100%.  >> COMPLIANCE WITH THE OLDEST  AND THEN ALL THESE WHAT IFS I  MEAN IF IT'S. IF IT COMPLIES  WHAT WOULD BE THE GROUNDS FOR  SAYING DON'T DO THIS I MEAN  LIKE I SAID YOU'RE GETTING  ILLEGAL TERRITORY THEN. WITH  THAT SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND  THAT BECAUSE ONE WANTS TO  APPEAL A 100% AND COMPLIANCE  ULDC PROJECT IS REALLY MY  EXPERIENCE THEY JUST HAVE AN  ISSUE WITH THE PROJECT HERE  DOESN'T MATTER  WHAT IT IS THEY DON'T WANT  ANYTHING THERE. AND THAT'S  UNDERSTANDABLE BUT EVENTUALLY  SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THAT  PROPERTY AND BUILD AND IF IT'S  IN A 100%. AND COMPLIANCE THEN  IS UNLIKELY THAT IT GOING TO  CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES OR IT'S  NOT SO. I THINK THAT WE NEED  TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO  STREAMLINE AND SAY THIS IS  WHAT WE EXPECT. JUST LIKE AS  HOMEOWNERS WILL HAVE A HOUSE  BILL WE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THAT  LIST WAS TO GET THAT HOUSE  BUILT AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE.  NO NOW WE WANT THIS OR NOW  YOU'RE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE  NEXT TO YOUR PROPERTY WANT TO  COME OUT AND SAY SOMETHING  ABOUT HOW YOU BUILD A HOUSE.  THIS IS REALLY SAME THING YOU  I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT  YOU WANT AND I'M GOING TO  COMPLY WITH EVERY SINGLE.  THANK YOU SO. I GET ON A PER  CENT OR NOT ALL RIGHT WE'RE  GOING TO TAKE A BREAK WHAT HE  >> 5 MINUTES WE BELIEVE NUMBER  OKAY 10 MINUTES OKAY WITH 1131  COME BACK.  I ALWAYS FORGET  THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY CLOSE.  IT'S 1131 AND WHERE ARE WE.  PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE PROBABLY  GONNA HAVE TO DRIVE A COMMENT  FOR THE FOR THIS. THINK I  THINK WE'RE READY TO GO TO  CONSENSUS THAT SO SOME POINT  WE GET THOSE THAT ARE IN HOUSE  THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC  COMMENT MAYBE WE CAN HEAR IT  AGAIN EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN  HEARD  >> BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO  CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH THIS  AND WE MAY HAVE MORE RIGHTS  PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC  COMMENT NOW. YES, WE DO. READ  COMMENTS FIRST YEAR. A GREAT  >> I FIND THE CITY MANAGER'S  STAFF ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO TO  OUR CITY YOU'RE TRYING TO  CHANGE THE FABRIC OF WHAT  MAKES OUR CITY IF THIS GOES  THROUGH AS PLANNED YOU'LL BE  FORCED TO EITHER LIVE IN A  MULTI-FAMILY HOME DUPLEX  TRIPLEX. THAT'S AN APARTMENT  BUILDING AND LETS YOU BUILD A  MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY WHO  WENT FROM BIG NATIONAL  DEVELOPERS THAT TOO IT'S  DESPICABLE THAT THE CITY  COMMISSION HAS ABDICATED ITS  OVERSIGHT. THE CITY MANAGER TO  APPEASE THE DEVELOPERS WHO  MADE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS TO  THEM SHAME ON JASMINE BOWMAN.  I LIKE MOST IN PORT OPPOSED  THE PROPOSED REZONING AND  FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES,  PARTICULARLY HOARD IS THE  PROPOSED UNION DENSITY  CORRIDORS AND HIGH-DENSITY  CORRIDORS THAT WOULD ALLOW  ALMOST ANYTHING TO BE BUILT  DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF  NEIGHBORHOODS OF SINGLE-FAMILY  HOMES. HE WITH DESTROYER  NEIGHBORHOODS AND OF COURSE  PROPERTY VALUES AS WELL. SO  FAR ONLY ONE COMMISSIONERS  LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE'S MASS  OPPOSITION OF THESE PROPOSALS  AND THAT HAS TO CHANGE IF WE  ARE TO HAVE ANY SEMBLANCE OF  REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT IN  THIS CITY. ALSO THE POLICY OF  NOT ALLOWING COMMUNICATION  BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THEIR  ELECTED COMMISSIONERS DURING  MEETINGS IS UNIQUELY BAD OR  LOCAL GOVERNMENT. OF COURSE IF  WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CONVERSE  WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS AT  MEETINGS IT IS MUCH EASIER FOR  THEM TO SIMPLY IGNORE US AND  THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS  HAPPENING IN PORT. OTHER LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS ALLOW CONVERSATION  AND COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE  ELECTED PEOPLE ON THE PEOPLE  WHO ELECT THEM WHICH IS HOW IT  SHOULD BE THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT NEEDS TO CHANGE THIS  POLICY AND START LISTENING TO  AND REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF  THE CITY. DEBORAH WARNER.  DENVER RESIDENT WE ALONG WITH  THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS  PURCHASED THE HOME IN A  RESIDENTIAL ZONE OF PORT. WE  WANTED TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY  OF HOMES AND EXPECTED THE  PROTECTION OF RESIDENTIAL  ZONING. THE CITY TO INCREASE  THE COMMERCIAL TAX BASE WILL  ALLOW THROUGH THE ULDC PLAN  UNREGULATED INDUSTRIAL GROWTH  IN THE MIDST OF OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS PROPOSED  THE OPC PLAN TABLE 3002003.1.  YOU STABLE PERMITS THE  FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES AND CR  AND SE IN CT RESTAURANTS CAR  BOAT RV DEALERSHIPS HEAVY  MACHINERY SALES. INDUSTRIAL  HEAVY INDUSTRIAL GAS STATION  WHERE HOUSES AND EVEN SEX  SHOPS. ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN A  MILE AND A HALF NORTH AND  SOUTH OF PRICE BOULEVARD MAY  BE CONSIDERED SEAL OUR BORDER  AND ALL RESIDENTS WITHIN HALF  A MILE EAST AND WEST. ARTERIAL  ROAD RCT. THIS EXPANSION  IMPACTS A MAJORITY OF  ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS IN  PORT. INTERESTINGLY, THE  PROPOSED REZONING MAP DOES NOT  DEPICT THIS EXPANSION,  DISTURBINGLY SINGLE-FAMILY  DETACHED HOUSING IS NOT  PERMITTED IN THE C O R N C 2  ZONING DESIGNATION. I STATED  UNREGULATED SINCE THERE IS NO  MAXIMUM DENSITY NO MINIMUM LOT  SIZE FOR C O R N C T CORRIDORS  AND THERE ARE NOS. HE DID  SETBACKS FOR CRA NO FRONT  SETBACK FOR CT. EVERY OTHER  ZONING DESIGNATION AT MAXIMUM  DENSITY MINIMUM LOT SIZES AND  SETBACKS STANDARDS ESTABLISHED  NEIGHBORHOODS OF NORTH PORT  HAVE NO ZONING PROTECTION.  COMMISSIONERS THIS PROPOSED  PLAN IS A BETRAYAL OF EVERY  RESIDENT OF PORT. PLEASE VOTE,  NO AGAINST ADOPTION OF THE  ULDC PROPOSED PLAN WHICH WILL  DESTROY THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF  PORT LIKE A LOT OF THIS  COMMUNITY. ALSO GIVE SERIOUS  FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS ON ANY  MATTER THAT ADVERSELY IMPACTS  THESE NEIGHBORHOODS SAVE OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS. BONO. THANK YOU  FOR YOUR ATTENTION.  NONPROFITS. USING THE 20 15  RULINGS IN THE ULDC IS  MEANINGLESS AND NOTHING MORE  THAN AN INVITATION TO A  TAXPAYER FUNDED LAWSUIT. STAFF  REFUSES TO CONSIDER A 2022  ALL-SUITE FROM CHARLOTTE  COUNTY TO PROVE THE WORD  OBSCENE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM  YOUR PC. HERE'S WHY ON JUNE  SECOND 2021 THE PUNTA GORDA  CITY COUNCIL AMENDED ITS  ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT ANY  SIGNED WITH INDECENT SPEECH  ANY PUBLIC SPACE BUT TO TO A  RESIDENT ANDREW SHEETS AKA UP  LAUNCHED AN OBSCENE SIGN NEAR  THE PG BRIDGE FOR ALL TO SEE  HE WAS FINED $500 YOU SOON.  SHE IN 2023. DESPITE THE PUNTA  GORDA CITY COUNCIL SPENDING  THOUSANDS FIGHTING THE LEGAL  CHALLENGE. THE JUDGE TEAM, THE  SIGN CODE WHICH BANNED OBSCENE  SPEECH UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE  JUDGE NOTED THE CODE WAS  DESIGNED TO CAUSE PREEMPTIVE  SELF SILENCING OF SPEAKERS WHO  MESSAGES ARE ENTITLED TO  CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTION. THE  CITY AND LAST AND PAID SHEETS  $20,000 IN 2023. THE COUNCIL  REMOVED THE WORD OF SEEN FROM  THE CODE. HERE'S ONE MORE  EXAMPLE IN 2021 FORT MYERS  BEACH. 3 PREACHER WAS CITED  FOR HIS GRAPHIC SIGNS. YOU  SOON IN CLAIMED A MAN ON THIS  TYPE OF. LEAVES RESIDENTS  WITHOUT AN EFFECTIVE ALTERNATE  MEANS OF COMMUNICATION AND  VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT.  THE CITY ARGUED THE CODE WAS  ENACTED TO AVOID A VISUAL  BLIGHT LAST YEAR THE FORT  MYERS BEACH COMMISSIONERS PAY  THE PREACHER. 665. 6 $66,500  AFTER A PANEL OF 3 FEDERAL  JUDGES IN THE CITY ORDINANCE  WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL. THE  COMMISSIONERS WE WROTE THE  CODE AFTER SETTLING THE SUIT.  LIKE IN PUNTA GORDA THE  TAXPAYERS BUT IN THE LEGAL  BILLS PLEASE REMOVE. THE  OBSCENE CALLS BECAUSE CLEARLY  IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL THE  LANGUAGE ALSO SAYS  COMMISSIONER SPECIFICALLY  INTEND THAT SEVERABILITY BE  APPLIED TO REGULATIONS EVEN IF  THE RESULT ALLOWS LESS SPEECH  DOESN'T MEAN COMMISSIONER  COULD BE SUED FOR FREE SPEECH  VIOLATIONS LASTLY SECTION LIST  PROHIBITED SIGNS IN THE RIGHT  WAY DOES IT MEAN NONPROFITS  CAMPO SIGNS BUT OTHERS CAN  WHAT DOES THE ATTORNEY SAY  ABOUT THIS PROHIBITION. ROBIN  SANDE DISSENTING. THE CITY WAS  REZONING OF ART COLLECTOR  ROADS IS ABSOLUTELY  OUTRAGEOUS. THERE'S REALLY NO  NEED TO REZONE THESE ROADS AND  BRINGING AN INCREASE DENSITY  IN MIXED USES. THERE ARE  PLENTY OF AREAS WITHIN OUR  CITY FOR THIS REZONE THAT DO  NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT INDIVIDUAL  PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THEIR  ORIGINAL PROPERTY PURCHASE  DOCUMENTS AND DISCLOSURES.  THIS IS A DANGEROUS ACTION BY  CITY, NOT ONLY DOES THIS  ACTION DIRECTLY AFFECT  INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS AND  THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN  THE AREAS. IT ALSO DIRECTLY  AFFECTS THE CONFIDENCE OF OUR  OVERALL. COMMUNITY AND OUR  GOVERNMENT AND OUR ELECTED  REPRESENTATIVES PLEASE RETHINK  THIS ACTION AND LOOK ELSEWHERE  TO INCORPORATE YOUR REASONS  FOR THESE COLLECTOR RHODRI  ZONES. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL  COMMENT AND NOW IN PERSON JUST  MISSED. STILL GOOD BRITAIN.  THANK YOU COMMISSION CITY  STAFF. STAFF CONTINUES TO TRY  TO SHORTEN THAT MEANS BUILDING  REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPERS ON  THE NAME OF ECONOMIC GROWTH.  >> THE SOUNDS GOOD IN THEORY,  BUT AS I SAT THROUGH THESE  MEETINGS ALL I HEAR IS WE CAN  ENFORCE THINGS UNTIL LATER  DATE. WE WILL TRY TO GET  DEVELOPERS TO VOLUNTEER.  CITIZENS CONTINUE TO HEAR ALL  YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRUST US.  AND TODAY'S MEETING WE KNOW  THAT THIS ULDC AND ZONING ARE  NOT AS INTRUSIVE AS THE COMP  PLAN. BUT ONCE AGAIN YOU JUST  HAVE TO TRUST US. DO NOT GIVE  UP YOUR ABILITY REVIEW  CHANGES. IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY  WAYS THAT CITIZENS HAVE A  VOICE IN THIS. UNDER THE NEW  PLAN STAFFER CLAIMS CITIZENS  TO APPEAL. ONCE AGAIN  DEVELOPERS ARE GETTING A GREEN  LIGHT ON THE BACK OF CITIZENS  RIGHTS. IT'S POPPED A PASS TO  FIGHT THE BATTLE WITH THEM. WE  ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE COST OF  INFORMING THE CITIZENS, WE'RE  CHANGING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  CHANGING THE LENGTH.  SURROUNDING AREA WE HAVE TO IN  BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN IT COSTS A  LOT OF MONEY IS WHAT I HEARD  TO DEVELOPERS. IT'S 750 BUCKS  FOR A CITIZENS GROUP APPEAL IT  WAS THROWN OUT LIKE IT WAS NO  BIG CHUNK OF CHANGE. WE HEAR  WE HEAR AFTER PUBLIC MEETINGS,  THE DEVELOPERS MIGHT MAKE  CHANGES THEY HAVE THE ABILITY  TO. ALTHOUGH PHRASES ONCE  AGAIN WE HEAR TIME AND TIME  AGAIN PLEASE HELP US PROTECT  OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU'RE  ALL WE HAVE THANK PAM TOW  CARS. MORNINGS ARE STILL HERE.  >> YES, I MIGHT HAVE SOME  EXTRA COMMENTS HERE THE NEXT  CONSENSUS DISCUSSION. PERMITS  TO APPEASE AT WHEN WHEN THEY  WERE PRESENTING THE CUT PLAN.  >> SHE SAID THAT MOST OF THE  ITEMS FROM THE COMP PLAN WILL  BE MOVED TO THE ULDC BECAUSE  THE ULDC IS IS YOUR UPDATE.  >> AND ONE OF MY SUGGESTIONS  WAS BASICALLY ANSWERED BY THE  A CONVERSATION THAT FUTURE  UPDATES TO THE REZONING AREAS  THAT WILL BE MADE TO THE ULDC  THAT WILL AFFECT AREAS. THAT  WAS A SHARE MAYBE THAT SHARE  THAT THROUGH THE CITY'S  NEWSLETTER THE FACEBOOK PAGE  AND NOW THAT THE SLA HAS THE  UP ABILITY TO SHARE THESE  UPDATES THAT YOU COULD JUST  HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT SHOOTS UP  TO THE COMMUNICATION  DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY. AND  WHAT WOULD THESE REZONE AREAS  LOOK LIKE KNOW WHAT A CITY  MANAGER FLETCHER HAD MENTIONED  DURING INTERVIEW DURING KBW  THAT IT WAS. PART OF HIS  CONVERSATION WAS THE  DESCRIPTION WAS GOING TO BE  DIFFERENT AND AND WHAT WHAT  I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IT WOULD  BE NICE TO HAVE A SKETCH OF  THE CITY'S VISION FOR SOME OF  THESE REZONING CHANGES SO THAT  THE CITIZENS COULD SEE EXACTLY  WHAT THESE REZONE  NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD LOOK LIKE  AND THAT SOMEONE OF MY  EXAMPLES WOULD BE LIKE HOW  WOULD AN AREA LIKE COCOA PALM  WATERWAY. A LOOK LIKE AFTER  THIS REZONING BECAUSE THEY'RE  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON ONE  SIDE AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE  THERE'S GOING TO BE A CORRIDOR  DISTRICTS WHICH WELL VERTICAL  USES THAT MIGHT BE UP TO A 100  FEET. WE'RE TOLD THAT SOME OF  THESE BUILDINGS IN REGULAR  NEIGHBORHOODS IF YOU'RE GOING  TO HAVE A VERTICAL BUILD IT  WOULDN'T BE EXACTLY RIGHT NEXT  TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IT  WOULD GRADUALLY GO UP. SO  SOMETHING ACROSS FROM  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON PLAZA  WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT. AND FOR  THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS 500  FEET IS NOT ENOUGH IF YOU'RE  GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT  THAT'S GOING TO AFFECTING A  RESIDENCE IN THE AGRICULTURAL  AREA AS OUR HOMES I BELIEVE  ARE 300 FEET ACROSS FOR THE  PROPERTY BECAUSE THOSE PARTS  LITTLE A LITTLE BIGGER. AND  THEN ONE OF THE EXAMPLES I  LIKE PROVIDE WE DID THE TOLEDO  BLADE 3.20 PROJECT. INDUSTRIAL  PORTION THAT WAS GOING TO BE  REZONED THE 55 ACRES. IT DID  NOT MEET THE ULDC GUIDELINES  BECAUSE STAFF THAT INCLUDED  THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL  TO MEET THOSE GUIDELINES THAT  INDUSTRY INDUSTRIAL SHOULD  HAVE BEEN PULLED OUT AND  REGARDING THE APPEALS 3.20  PROJECT ALSO TOOK A LOT OF  MANPOWER AND A LOT OF PEOPLE  SO TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE  REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPEAL  PROCESS YOU COULD DO A BASIC  BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE  SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO BACK  UP THOSE IS PROBABLY GOING TO  TAKE MORE THAN 30 DAYS TO  COMPLY FOR SOME OF THESE  RESIDENTS. FOR NOW. THANK YOU.  THAT IS  >> OKAY SO EVEN ON TO  CONSENSUS. I'LL TAKE A.  >> BACK AT OF OUT JUST SAY I'D  LIKE KEEP MY CONSENSUS IS SORT  OF SINGLE TOPIC AND BRIEF. SO  IF YOU CAN INDULGE ME  PATIENTS, WISE I HAVE SEVERAL  THAT ARE SO INTERRELATED BUT  WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM TOTAL.  ANYWAY I. I'M REQUESTING ON A  CONSENSUS THAT WE PROCEED WITH  THE ULDC REQUIREMENT THAT NEW  PROJECTS AND 100% CAN FOR  MONTHS WITH THE ULDC WE'LL BE  APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE OUR  FIRST CONSENSUS ON THE TABLE  AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER  LANGDON DOING THAT. AND YOU  READ THAT BACK FOR US SO YOU  KNOW EXACTLY WHAT. I HAVE.  >> TO PROCEED WITH THE ULDC  REQUIREMENT THAT NEW PROJECTS  AND 100 PER SECOND FOR MUNCY  WITH THE ULDC WILL BE APPROVED  ADMINISTRATIVELY.  >> IF 100% THAT YOU SAY THAT  100 THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT SO  THAT IS THE START WITH THE  VICE MAYOR.  >> VICE MAYOR THAT.  >> MAYOR ZS LAND AND SAY YES  DO  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. IT'S  YES. MASK IF YOU IS BACK WITH  US. I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER  THAT THAT YOU'RE FINE.  >> WE WE HAVE.  >> IT'S NOT WE'VE GOT DETAILS  SENSE, CONSENSUS ABOUT RIGHT.  WE HAVE A GOOD IF A GUY.  >> ALL SECOND COMMUNITY  MEETINGS BE REQUIRED FOR ALL  NEW PROJECTS ACCEPTING ONE AND  2 FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. EXCEPT  FOR ONE AND 2 CAN FAMILY  THANKS FOR MAKING THAT  PATIENT. THERE. ALRIGHT COULD  YOU READ THAT BACK STUDENTS.  >> CONSENSUS TO.  >> COMMUNITY MEETINGS EVEN  THAT COMMUNITY MEETING THE  REQUIRED FOR ALL NEW PROJECTS  EXCEPT ONE INTO FAMILY  DEVELOPMENTS.  >> SURE.  >> WHEN WILL THAT COMMUNITY  MEETING TAKE.  >> IT'S. TO TAKE PLACE PRIOR  TO STAFFS ADMINISTRATIVE  THAT'S OK WHAT STAFF SAYS HE'S  NOT NECESSARILY IN HERE IN  TEXAS NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE  SURE THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR  THE CLARITY THANK YOU.  >> THE DRAFT RIGHT NOW  PROVIDES THAT APPLICATION MUST  BE SUBMITTED. IT MUST GO  THROUGH FIRST PREVIEW WITH THE  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE  AND COMMENTS THAT THE  APPLICANT AT THAT STAGE THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS ****.  AND THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT.  ALSO US OF THE FIRST REVIEW  BEING COMPLETE AND SO THAT  STAFF CAN FLESH OUT ANY LIONS.  ISSUES WITH OUR SITE PLAN.  THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO  UPDATE THEIR SITE PLAN AND  THEN BRING IT TO THE  NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE NEIGHBOR,  HOPING.  >> THANK YOU BUT I DO GET  COMMISSIONER AND I'D LIKE  MODIFY CONSENSUS SLIGHTLY TO  ADD SOME THINGS REQUIRE  COMMUNITY MEETINGS FOR ALL NEW  PROJECTS, ACCEPTING ONE INTO  FAMILY DEVELOPMENT BEFORE  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. IS  VERY.  >> CLEAR ALL RIGHT VICE MAYOR  BY SPACEY S NAIR ZS LINED SAY  YES, YOU DID SAY REQUIRED  CORRECT. YES, I DID. YES.  >> COMMISSIONER HAVE MUCH.  YES.  >> ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S A FULL  I HAVE 2 MORE AHEAD OF  >> MINOR WAIVERS VARIANCES FOR  ONE INTO FAMILY DEVELOPMENT  SHELBY APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVE  PLACE.  >> DON'T WANT TO FAMILY WANTED  KNOW MINOR WAIVERS AND  VARIANCES FOR WANTED DEVELOP  MUNDT SHALL BE APPROVED. AND  INSTEAD ADMINISTRATIVE.  >> THAT'S OUR CONSENSUS.  >> QUESTION. WERE MINOR  WAIVERS. MINDER WITH THEIR  LIST THAT IT'S THE ONES MOST  THAT. VARIANCES READY VERSION  THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING GET.  BUT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS  THAT LIKE ONE FOOT OF THE POOL  THAT'S NOT A WAY RESIDENTS A  ALWAYS NEXT, BUT I ALSO WANT  MINOR THINGS TO BE HANDLED.  >> BUT  >> WE JUST SAY ABOUT IT IF YOU  COULD ADD TO THE CONSENSUS TO  HAVE STAFF REVIEW IT AND BRING  IT BACK. FOR FIRST READING  FOR. BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WANTING  STAFF TO REVIEW  ADMINISTRATIVELY MINOR  WAIVERS. WE DON'T HAVE A LIST  OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED A MINOR  WAIVER. DON'T HAVE. THE  CRITERIA OUTLINED IS TO WHAT  WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO IT  ADMINISTRATIVELY. NOR DO WE  HAVE AND FEEL FOR  ADMINISTRATIVE MINOR WAIVERS  FOR ONE TO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL  THAT POINT SO THAT MEANS  MODIFY THAT RIGHT BECAUSE  WE'RE YOU KNOW VARIANCES RIGHT  SO.  >> THE MOTION ITS US STAFF TO  COME BACK. WHAT LANGUAGE  AROUND AND DETAIL AROUND  ADMINISTRATIVE WE APPROVING  WAIVERS AND VARIANCES FOR ONE  AND 2 FAMILIES DEVELOPED. WHAT  I GET OUT OF THAT HOME. WHAT'S  IT LIKE THAT.  >> TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME  BACK WITH LANGUAGE IN DETAIL  AROUND ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVERS  AND VARIANCES 4, 1, 2 FAMILY  DEVELOPMENTS.  >> WE HAVE ONE OF PRESS.  >> THE VENTING REALLY MINOR WE  SEE A LOT OF MINOR THE MOSTLY  VACATIONS JUST. YOU'RE YOU'RE  SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING WANTED  TO  >> I JUST FOR CLARITY  UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HAVE  THAT THROUGH WHICH VACATIONS  AND BE MAN IS TAKEN. THE  FLORIDA STATUTES OUTLINES THE  PROCESS FOR VACATIONS WHETHER  IT'S A WAY UP LAW AND EAST  MEANT AND THAT HAS THE  LEGISLATIVE BODY TO MAKE THE  FINAL DECISION ON VACATION OF  EASEMENTS THAT'S TOO BAD.  THERE'S THE OTHERS WE CAN  LANGUAGE OK THANK YOU.  >> WITH YOU'RE MY AND THEN MY  LAST STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE  WITH COMMISSION ORDERLY. ON  FRAUD ARRESTS REGARDING THE  APPEALS PROCESS TO INCLUDE BUT  NOT BE LIMITED TO A NUMBER OF  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. A  NUMBER HEELS THIS POSITION OF  HEELS ARE THAN THAT ARE THE  DETAILS AROUND PEEL OUT.  >> WE'VE THAT BACK BUT  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS STILL  HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  YES DID THAT. WELL I'M JUST  SAYING COMMUNICATING WE'RE  GOING TO BE MADE AWARE OF THAT  BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANT  THIS BUT STAFF SPECIFICALLY  WILL COMMUNICATE. MY INTENTION  WAS WE WANTED GET THIS PROCESS  ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IS  VERY NEW FOR YES AND SO WE  TALKED EARLIER ABOUT. YOU KNOW  I THINK WE HAVE A STRUCTURE  THAT CAN WORK BUT IT'S NEW SO  THIS BODY NEEDS MONITOR  ONGOING BASIS, HOW IT'S GOING.  >> AND I THINK IT WAS NIS RAY  WHO SUGGESTED THAT.  >> THEY COULD COMMUNICATE WITH  US ON REGULAR BASIS.  >> HOW THE PROCESS IS GOING SO  THAT WAS MY INTENTION WITH THE  MOTION. I MEAN I'M SORRY WITH  THE CONSENSUS COMMUNICATE WITH  COMMISSION COMMISSION OKAY,  YES. UK WITH THE COMMISSION  CORRIDOR DELAY ON PROGRESS THE  STATUS OF APPEALS PROCESS,  INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO  NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVALS. THE NUMBER OF  APPEALS. AND THE OUTCOME OF  THE APPEALS PROCESS AND  OUTCOME. OKAY. AS YOU YOU WANT  TO BACK ABSOLUTELY.  >> THERE WAS CONSENSUS THAT  STAFF COMMUNICATE WITH  COMMISSION PROGRESS REGARDLESS  OF THE APPEAL PROCESS TO  INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE  NUMBER OF ADMIN APPROVAL  WILL'S NUMBER A NUMBER APPEALS  AND DETAILS ON APPEAL  OUTCOMES. PRETTY AGAIN.  >> I AM WITH THAT I'M FOR  MCDOWELL, HAVE EYE.  >> I'M CURIOUS WHEN YOU SAY  COMMUNICATE WITH THE  COMMISSION.  >> IS THAT BY MEMOS THAT HERE  AT A COMMISSION MEETING SO THE  CITIZENS HERE SO WE CAN TAKE  ACTION IF WE NEED TO TO PIVOT  CHANGE THINGS QUICKLY IS THAT  BECAUSE SENDING A MEMO TO  COMMISSION. THE DEAL WHAT'S  THE POINT. IF THERE'S ACTION  THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.  >> MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE A  MEMO ESPECIALLY DOING THIS  EVERY 3 MONTHS THAT'S THAT'S A  LOT TO LEGISTAR ITEM IN A  PRESENTATION EVERY 3 MONTHS  BEFORE THE COMMISSION. IF  THERE ARE CONCERNS RAISED IN  THE MEMO EITHER BY STAFF  COMMISSIONER FEELS THAT THEIR  CONCERNS IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY  BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT ITEM ON  THE BUT I FRONT FOR JUST  REGULAR UPDATE PROCESS. I  WOULD PREFER MEMO BECAUSE AS I  SAID THAT IS AND ISN'T  SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT LIVE TO DO  THAT EVERY 3 MONTHS SO I WILL  ADD THAT BY MEMO.  >> LET WHAT WHEN IS ACELA  DECEMBER, SOME SO IS BUSINESS  PARTNERS MENTIONED IT DOES  TAKE SOME TIME TYPICALLY FOR.  >> PROPERTY OWNERS TOO. COME  UP TO SPEED ON A NEW CODE IN  PROCESS AND SO IT'S GOING TO  TAKE SOME TIME FOR EVERYONE TO  REALIZE THERE'S AN  ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT  THEY CAN UTILIZE AS POTENTIAL  DEVELOPMENT COMES AND THAT'S  SOMETHING WE HAVE PRE  APPLICATION MEETINGS AND  OTHER. DISCUSSIONS THROUGH  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT IS  SOMETHING THAT WE WILL MAKE  THEM AWARE OF THAT THAT TIME  BUT IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME SO  IT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING THE  FIRST COUPLE OF QUARTERS TO  NOT SEE MUCH ACTIVITY AT ALL.  THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL  PICKUP AS TIME GOES ON. SO WE  WOULD WE WOULD EXPECT THAT 3  MONTHS AFTER. A SOLID GAINS  LIVE. WE WOULD. START THOSE  QUARTERLY IF THAT'S THE  COMMISSION'S DIRECTION.  >> FOR THAT LET'S ADDED BY  MEMO AND NOW MY CONCERN ONE.  >> JUST SO PART OF THE OTHER  HALF OF IT IS. SHE WANTED TO  START ONCE A CELL BEEN  ACTIVATED SO ONCE ACELA STARTS  AXL STARTS. DECEMBER 15TH, AND  IT'S IT'S IMPLEMENTED. GIVEN 3  MONTHS AND THEN WE HAVE OUR  FIRST MEMO OR DO YOU WANT 3  MONTHS FROM LIKE TODAY 3  MONTHS FROM WHEN WE ADOPT THE  ULDC YOU WANT THAT THREE-MONTH  START.  >> I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY  SPECIFIC START DATE TO THIS  TOO MANY THINGS CAN HAPPEN. SO  I'D RATHER LEAVE THAT OPEN  ENDED IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO  MAKE A CONSENSUS SPECIFYING  THAT THEM I WOULD ENCOURAGE  THEM TO DO BECAUSE WEREN'T  MEANT TO A CONSENSUS. I SAID  IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROPOSE SENSE  OF AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU  TO DO SO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO  KIND OF DAY SO I THINK  INTENTION IS CLEAR BEFORE WE.  BEFORE WE.  >> VOTE ON OUR CONSENSUS OF  FOR FREE. THE INDICATE OUR  SUPPORT OR NOT IT'S WHITE 90  DAYS. IT'S IT'S 30 DAYS, NOT I  MEAN 90 DAYS TO ME SEEMS LIKE  AN EXORBITANT LONG AMOUNT OF  TIME. I DON'T KNOW THAT  THERE'S THAT MANY OF THESE AND  IF IT'S IN THE MEMO FORM WHY  WOULDN'T 30 DAYS. THE BETTER  OTHERWISE I FEEL LIKE. IT WILL  BE SO FAR AFTER THE FACT ON  SOME OF THESE. AND IN WEST  TEXAS COMPELLING REASON WHY 30  DAYS IS JUST TO HONOR AND  SEEMED LIKE TO BE THAT MANY  BUT.  >> CURIOUS WHAT SCIENTISTS IF  I MAY I I JUST DON'T THINK  EARLY ON ANYWAY. THAT'S GOING  TO BE MUCH ACTIVITY EVERY 30  DAYS I THINK WOULD BE LIKE NO  INFORMATION WE CAN ALWAYS  ADJUSTED OF THINGS GET VERY  BUSY THINGS ARE HOPPING WE CAN  PULL IT IN. I JUST THINK 90  DAYS TO STARTLED AND ONCE  BUSINESS ELLA TIMES WINE.  >> THAT'S GOING TO CONSTANT.  >> ALL RIGHT OUR INTENT WOULD  BE TO WHATEVER THE EFFECTIVE  DATE IS OF THE ULDC TO IT  WOULD BE TO GET YOU IN THE  MOST. 90 DAYS AFTER THAT DATE  WHETHER THAT'S BEFORE OR AFTER  SEEING COMES ON LINE IS IS  SECOND SECONDARY EXACTLY  THEY'RE ACELA WILL HAVE SOME  FEATURES THAT WILL HELP US IN  TRACKING THOSE THINGS BUT  CERTAINLY WHATEVER EFFECTIVE  DATE THE ULDC GOES INTO  EFFECT. MY INTENT WOULD BE I I  WILL PROVIDE AMENDMENT 90 DAYS  AFTER THAT.  >> WOULD YOU ALL FOR FOR ME TO  INCLUDE UPON ADOPTION OF THE  ULDC ONLY THAT I'M HAPPY TO  ADD THAT SO I WOULD SAY IT'S  RATHER ADOPTION BECAUSE THE  EFFECTIVE DATE WILL BE  DIFFERENT IN THE ADOPTION DAY.  IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT.  BECAUSE FOR INSTANCE YOUR YOUR  CONFERENCE OF PLAN HAS A 30  DAY APPEAL PERIOD. SO YOU  CANNOT PUT THE CONFERENCE OF  PLAN THE ULDC IN EFFECT ON THE  DAY IT'S ADOPTED IT WILL HAVE  TO WAIT FOR THAT APPEAL.  KERRY. SO I WOULD SAY OF UPON  THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE U.S.  ALL RIGHT SO DID YOU CAPTURE  THAT. OR SPECIALIST.  >> JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT  WHERE TO PUT IT IN YEAR.  >> AT THE END UP ON THE  EFFECTIVE DATE. YES, I  >> OKAY ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE  OF THE ADOPTION OF THE ULDC  THANK YOU AND WE CLEAR ABOUT  THAT NOW WITH MIKE OKAY.  >> ICEMAN GOOD.  >> THEY ARE ZS I'M DONE. YES.  WELL, YES. COMMISSIONER, I'M  RICH.  >> CONSENSUS WHENEVER YOU'RE  READY.  >> WE JUST TAKING TEST NOW.  >> WOULD KNOW I WANT TO  PROPOSE AS WELL.  >> OKAY ARE YOU GOOD  >> I'M GOOD WITH ONE JUST  WHENEVER ONE COMMISSIONER  LINEMAN WAS DONE.  >> THANK ALL SHE'S DONE.  >> AND EAT YOU WANT ADD THAT  NOW.  >> I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A  CONSENSUS TO MAKE THE COST OF  THE APPEAL PROCESS TO $500  RATHER THAN $750.  >> MOST OF THE PROCESS. 7.15 5  IT. WHEN YOU KNOW THAT YES  HAVE.  >> I LIKE YOUR CONSENSUS  UNFORTUNATELY STAFF IS NOT  100% SURE THAT PEEL DOLLAR  AMOUNT WAS 750. CAN WE TABLE  THIS UNTIL WE HAVE DISCUSSION  ABOUT OUR FEE SCHEDULE AND  THAT WE THEN WE CAN HAVE THE  EXACT AMOUNT.  >> AND THEN DISCUSS IT THEN.  >> I HAVE NO I HAVE NO ISSUES  WITH THAT I JUST THINK THAT  7.50 WAS A LITTLE BIT MUCH ON  THE CITIZENRY OUT THEIR CAUSE.  IF YOU LOOK AT CERTAIN AREAS  AND THE WAY THAT THE ROADS ARE  DESIGNED. IF YOU HAD 10 THE  HOME FRONT OUT THERE 50 BUCKS  THE HOME FRONT THAT'S $500 OUT  WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS WHAT  IT MAY IMPACT. WITH A TYPE  BUSINESS OR RESIDENCE COMING  IN TO DO SO I JUST THOUGHT 500  WAS ABOUT  >> BUT YEAH WE COULD REBUT.  >> WELL AS WE JUSTIFY AND  COMMISSIONER I DID FOR APPEAL  IS $750.  >> ACTUAL COSTS FOR  ADVERTISING.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE WANT TO.  HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR THAT OR  WHAT LOT OF FLYING BUT IF OK  SO. AND WE HAVE THAT ALL  CAPTURED. YES, MA'AM OKAY,  VICE MAYOR. IT'S NOT I DON'T  SEE ANYTHING TO BACK THAT UP  LANGDON KNOW. I DO YES.  >> I MEAN, YES.  >> ALL RIGHT TO HAVE ANOTHER  ONE COMMISSIONER EMERGE.  >> NO THAT WAS WAS IT, VICE  MAYOR DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING  KNOW THAT OK THOUGH, JUST 7  >> FINISHED COMMISSIONER EYE  SAID THAT BEFORE FORGOTTEN  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  >> SO I 2 RELATING TO THIS IF  YOU LOOK AT PAGE 27. STAFF  COULD PLEASE BRING THAT FOR  THE OVERHEAD. I THINK IT WILL  BE JUST EASIER TO SHOW THEM TO  TRY TO EXPLAIN IT. YEAH, IT'S  THAT CHART THAT HAS THE ZB YOU  DON'T TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT  AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S MISS  LORY YOU HAD REFERENCED WHEN  WE WERE TALKING ABOUT APPEAL  SAID THE SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE.  >> THAT APPEAL GOES TO ZBA  ZONING HEARING OFFICER. I  THINK EVEN DURING YOUR  CONVERSATION YOU SAID THAT  COULD GO TO COMMISSION. AND I  JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK  WHAT EXACTLY IS A SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN. IF IT'S IS IT SIMILAR TO  WHAT ADMP WHAT I KNOW IT'S NOT  A DMP BUT WHAT EXACTLY IT IS  SIMILAR AN A S.  >> SO IT'S SIMILAR TO A MAJOR  SITE AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN  APPROVAL OK SO WHEN STAFF  APPROVES. SOMETHING  ADMINISTRATIVELY WHAT IS THAT  CALLED. THAT WOULD BE UNDER  THAT.  >> LET ME LET ME REDUCE THE  SAME ON THIS STATE. NO NO  NEED. SO THIS TABLE IDENTIFIES  THE DECISION-MAKER FOR EACH  DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION TYPE.  STAFF IS THE DECISION MAKER  FOR SOME TIPS CONCERNING  COMPLIANCE. THAT'S JUST  BASICALLY THAT YOUR YOUR  REVIEW FOR SAT ACT TO REVIEW  FOR LAND CLEARS YOU REVIEW FOR  CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS THAT  ARE CURRENTLY DON  ADMINISTRATIVELY. STAFF MAKES  DECISIONS ON THE CONDITIONAL  USE AS WHICH ARE SUBJECT TO  THE SITE SPECIFIC CRITERIA IN  CHAPTER 3. LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT  LOT SPLITS WITH TO STAFF.  ANYWHERE YOU SEE ON THIS TABLE  THAT MEANS THAT'S QUASI  JUDICIAL MASTER CONCEPT PLANS.  SUBDIVISION PLANS. PRELIMINARY  SUBDIVISION PLOTS CO 2 CITY  COMMISSION, PUBLIC ART IF IT  DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA GOES  TO CITY COMMISSION. REZONE SO  BASICALLY OTHER THAN MINOR  ADMINISTRATIVE. FUNCTIONS  WHICH STAFF CURRENTLY  APPROVES. YOU HAVE YOUR SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN THAT WOULD BE  ADMINISTRATIVE. YOU HAVE YOUR  TEMPER OR USE PERMITS YOU HAVE  YOUR MINOR VARIANCES AND LOT  SPLITS LOT. WINDY AVIATION'S  AM BASICALLY THE INFORMATION  REQUESTS OR. YOUR SENDING THE  TERMINATION LETTER GETS  BETTER. I THINK THE REASON WHY  ZONING ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS  ALWAYS BEEN UTILIZED. IS THE  CAUSE. ZONING HEARING OFFICER  IS THAT REVIEWER WHO IS USED  TO INTERPRET HAYDEN  INTERPRETING LAWS AND  ORDINANCES AND THAT IS WHY I  BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS ALWAYS  BEEN SET UP TO HAVE THE  APPEALS GO THERE. IF THE CITY  COMMISSION WANTS THE SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  APPEALS TO COME TO THE CITY  COMMISSION WE CAN CERTAINLY  MODIFY THAT IF THAT'S THE  CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION.  >> SO MY QUESTION I. STAFF.  APPEAL STAFF APPROVED THE  MASTER CONCEPT POINT.  >> HISTORY TO CONCEPT PLANS.  THAT STORE CONCEPT PLANS ARE  YOUR YOUR HIGH-LEVEL  CONCEPTUAL PLAN, OKAY THAT'S  BASICALLY YOUR ROAD LAYOUT  WHAT WHERE YOUR LAST THIS  ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVING A  SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN ISSUES THE  DEVELOPMENT ORDER. IT'S IT'S  YOUR 100% SITE PLAN AND  CONSTRUCTION PLAN AND THANK  YOU RACE. STAFF WOULD REVIEW  AND APPROVE THAT. WITHOUT ANY  PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. MASTER  CONCEPT PLANS ARE AND THE DROP  LIMITED TO CERTAIN TYPES OF  PROJECTS SO IF YOU HAD A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION WOULD COME TO STOP  AND CITY COMMISSION AND STAFF  WOULD REVIEW THE SITE  DEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN. THAT WOULD COME AFTER  THE PUBLIC HEARING APPROVAL.  LUXURY ZONES WOULD COME TO  COMMISSION AS A MASTER CONCEPT  PLANT STAFF WITH THEM  ADMINISTER A LITTLE AND THEN  THE STRAIT OF LEE PROVED THE  SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN. PROJECT  REQUESTING WAIVERS WOULD COME  TO THE COMMISSION FOR PUBLIC  HEARING APPROVAL AND THEN  STAFF WOULD ADMINISTRATIVELY  APPROVE. THE SITE DEVELOPMENT  AND INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM.  >> SO SO IF THEY HAVE A  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. AND THE  CITIZENS COME OUT.  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING DOESN'T  HAVE ANY REZONING KNOW WAIVERS  NO MODIFICATIONS NOTHING IT'S  A 100% STAFF APPROVAL.  >> BASED ON THIS LAST THAT.  ADMINISTRATIVELY BE APPROVED.  HOW DO THE CITIZENS OF APPEAL  THAT DECISION OR THE  DEVELOPERS BECAUSE MAYBE THIS  THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T LIKE  YOUR APPEAL, YOUR.  >> YOUR RENDERED.  >> DECISION EITHER. SO HOW  DOES THAT CAN APPEAL.  >> GETS IN THE CURRENT DRAFT  TO THE ZONING HEARING OFFICER  IF THEY DESIRE OF THIS  COMMISSION IS FOR THEM EAT  THAT'S THE ONE PLACE THAT  NEEDS TO GO TO SEE THAT IS THE  COMMISSION IF THAT'S THE  DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION TO  HEAR ALL APPEALS ON-SITE  OUTMAN AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND  ITEM THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE.  THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY IN  CONVERSATION I JUST WANTED TO  MAKE SURE I WASN'T MISPLACING  AND INCORRECTLY STATING WHO  THAT SHOULD BE AND WHAT THE  TITLE OF THAT IT IS SO THE  CONSENSUS SAID LIKE TO GET IS  TO HAVE THE SITE DEVELOPMENT  AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN.  >> APPEAL TO THE COMMISSION.  NOT THIS IS Z H O.  >> YES, I'M THINKING TRYING  JUST THAT.  >> ALL VICE MAYOR WOULDN'T  START WITH YOU.  >> TRIED LIKE THIS STAFF  AGAIN. MAYBE IT'S JUST I CAN'T  REMEMBER BACK TO. ORIGINAL  RESPONSE BUT. I WOULD ASSUME  STAFF. WHAT FOR FOR STILL GO  ZONING. ONLY OFFICER COULD YOU  RE IN A RATE YOUR REASONS WHY.  CURRENT APPEALS PROCESS AND  THE IN 5 LAND DEVELOPMENT  CALLS FOR APPEALS OF  INTERPRETATION. FROM THE  DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT  SERVICES TO GO THROUGH ZONING  BOARD OF APPEALS HEARD SO  HEARING OFFICER WE DON'T HAVE  FORM.  >> THE.  >> A PROCESS HERE IS THAT OUR  ZONING HEARING OFFICER IS A  RETIRED ATTORNEY RETIRED CHILD  SUCH VERY COMMONLY REVIEW AND  INTERPRET IT REGULATION AND  APPLICATION OF REGULATIONS AND  IT STARTED PEELING FRONT OF  IMPARTIAL PARTY, RATHER  ELECTED IF THE COMMISSION  WISHES TO CHANGE BODY THAT  HEARS APPEALS. IT'S YOUR  DISCRETION TO DO SHOULDN'T.  >> I HAVE BEEN BUILT UP THANKS  FOR CLARIFYING THAT I AND  THAT'S WHY I LOOK LIKE I WAS  STARING AT THAT THINKING OF  THAT IS SOMEBODY WHO AS AN  IMPARTIAL ABILITY TO. MAKE  THAT DECISION SO I FOR THAT  TOO. COMMISSIONER LANGDON  LANGDON NO AND I AM A YES. I'D  LIKE TO WEIGH COMMISSIONER,  I'M RICH. WE WERE TRYING TO  COME UP WITH A WAY.  >> FOR THE COMMISSION TO HEAR  FROM THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY  DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE DECISION  THAT WAS RENDERED OR HAVE THE  COMMISSION HERE AFTER THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING SOME OF  THE CONCERNS OF THE THINGS I  THINK THINKS THAT'S WHY I WAS  ASKING FOR THAT CONSENSUS HAVE  ANOTHER IF YOU COULD PLEASE  BRING A PAGE 30 IS VARIANCE.  SO THE VARIANCE. HEARD  NUMEROUS TIMES THIS MORNING  ALREADY YOU DISCO. BUILDING  HEIGHT. BUT FOR PARKING THOSE  ARE 3 VERY DISTINCT STICKING  WITH ITS IN OUR EXISTING CODE.  AND I. WE'D LIKE TO GET A  CONSENSUS TO REMOVE SCENE AND  DEAN FROM MINOR OR EVEN MAJOR  VARIANCE. HAVE IT BE  CONSIDERED A WAIVER THAT MUST  BE APPROVED BY COMMISSION. SO  YOU WANT TO MOVE. NOTE THAT BE  THE CND THE SAME DAY FROM THE  MINOR AND MAJOR VARIANTS. AND  THAT GIVE THAT AND HAVE A  CLASSIFIED AS A WAIVER.  REQUIRING COMMISSION APPROVAL.  HOW DOES THE POLL. JOINED  >> ITEM B BUILDING BUILDING  HEIGHT INCREASED BY NO MORE  THAN 5%. IT'S HARD FOR ME WRAP  MY HEAD AROUND A 5% INCREASE  HEIGHT. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME  EXAMPLES.  >> I'M SURE FOR RESIDENTIAL  DISTRICT, A 5% INCREASE WOULD  BE 35 A HIGH BUILDING. I  PERCENT WITH 1.75 FEET. FOR A  50 FOOT DISTRICTS. IT IT WOULD  BE 2.5 100 DISTRICT IT WOULD  BE 5 FEET.  >> NONE OF THAT ANOTHER 4.  >> I THINK IT SOMETIMES  BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS AND  ARE BUILDING HEIGHT  MEASUREMENT MISSION DON'T  NECESSARILY ALIGN. PERFECTLY  AND SO THAT GIVES SOME  ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION WHEN  YOU'VE GOT A CAUSE OF THE ROOF  TYPE THAT DOESN'T LIKE IT ARE  BUILDING HEIGHT. I HAVE I CAN  REMEMBER ONE PROJECT I HAVE  THE BUILDING HEIGHT MAXIMUM  WAS 35 FEET BUT THE WAY THE  DEFINITION WAS WRITTEN THIS  PARTICULAR BUILDING ACTUALLY  WAS 37 FEET TALL. WILL IMPACT  OF THAT MINOR DEVIATION FROM  THE IS IT IN CONSEQUENTIAL. A  LOT OF TIMES.  >> LEAST THAT'S LIKELIHOOD  WHEN WE AND WE FIND OUT.  THINGS IN DON'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.  ACCORDING EXACTLY TO PLAN. SO  YOU MAY HAVE A HOUSE THAT  SUPPOSED TO BE 35 FEET IN THE  AS BILLS COME BACK WE FIND  OUT. EAT 3 THE TO COVER THE  NEED FOR A MAKE GO THROUGH  THAT SAME PROCESS THAT WE  TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SETBACK  OR 6 INCHES YOU KNOW WHAT OR  DO WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE  PROCESS AND THAT THEY CAN COME  HOUSE. I THINK YOU HAVE  MARSHALL BUILDINGS MULTIFAMILY  BUILDINGS WHERE. SOMETHING WAS  OFF IN THE FIELD ON  MEASUREMENTS AND THE ROOF  TRUSSES WERE ORDERED A  DIFFERENT.  >> ANGLE OR WHATEVER AND.  >> WE END UP WITH FEW INCHES  ONE WAY OR THE APPLE. ONCE WE  GET BOAT THAT WOULD THINK 4.  AREAS IT'S NOT A. DISTRICT OR  THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH  THAT PROCESS WHICH COULD  DELAY.  >> SO AGAIN WE'RE NOT TALKING  ABOUT. 2  >> IT BOTH THAT WERE A MAJOR  ONE THAT WOULD COME TO THAT  COMMISSION COME TO HEARING US  THAT UNLESS THE COMMISSION  WOULD LIKE IT TO COME TO THEM  THAT'S THAT'S A DECISION YOU  CAN MAKE YOUR SPECIAL MOST OF  OFF OF.  >> CURRENT  >> SO IT'S SOMETHING RIGHT NOW  WENT TO ZONING BOARD OF  APPEALS. UNTIL THAT PRACTICE  OF SENDING IT TO THAT  IMPARTIAL.  >> AND THEN I WOULD BE  COMFORTABLE WITH BE PROVIDED  THAT IT DIDN'T RESULT IN A  ANYTHING THAT  >> NEED IT FOR IT'S 100 A FOOT  HIGH BUILDING WILL BE FINE.  HOUR AND HALF HOW CAN BELIEVE  IT. NEW SHOES.  ♪ >> AND WHENEVER IT WOULD NEVER  REACH ANOTHER FLOOR TRUMP KNOW  THAT WOULD IT'S VERY MINIMAL  IT'S 5% OF WHAT IS ALLOWED BY  YES  ♪ NO.  >> A SENATE HEARING WHAT STAFF  HAS SAID. I COULD REDO MY  CENSUS AS A MAJOR VARIANCE.  THEY WANT TO REDUCE PERKINS.  15% 15. SENT IT WOULD GO TO  ZONING HEARING OFFICER, NOT  THE COMMISSION THAT IS  BASICALLY A WAIVER. THESE ARE  WAIVERS OF THE CO. PARKING I  DON'T NEED TO REMIND ANY THE  PARKING CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE  HAVING THAT REDUCE TEAMS THAT  SAY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE  300 PARKING SPACES AND THEN  STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY  APPROVES PERCENT THIS 45  PARKING SPACES BUT IF THE  DEVELOPER SAYS HEY YOU KNOW I  I WANT IT REDUCED 0%. THE  COMMISSION DOES NOT HEAR THAT  WAIVER. ZONING HEARING OFFICER  HEARS IT BECAUSE IT'S LABELED  AS A VERY IT'S. I REALLY I  WILL CHANGE THE CONSENSUS LOSE  THE AND SORRY TO REMOVE SEA.  ANDY FROM THE MINOR VARIANCE  ANDREW REMOVED ENTIRELY THE  MAJOR VARIANTS STATING THAT  MUST COME TO THE COMMISSION.  YOU WANT ONLY TO CANO KNOW  WHAT IS SUNDAY,  >> BRING THAT DIDN'T THAT WE  WE DON'T CONTROL THAT IT UP  THIS THAT SO SO SO.  >> WILL SEE WHICH IS BUFFER  REMOVED D WHICH IS PARKING AND  REMOVE MAJOR VARIANCE HAVING  THOSE 3 ITEMS COME TO  COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.  >> YES JUST REITERATE THE  DECISION CRITERIA FOR MAJOR  VARIANCES CODIFIED. IT IS VERY  STRICT WHERE AS THESE  CRITERIA, THESE DECISION  CRITERIA DO NOT APPLY TO  WAIVER BOSTON, COMMISSION  APPROVES SO THAT'S ONE POINT I  WANTED TO MAKE THE SECOND  POINT IS IS THE ZONING BOARD  OF APPEALS. OUR ZONING HEARING  OFFICER WE DON'T HAVE A  CONSENSUS WHICH IS OR POOR  WHICH THE DIRECTION WE'RE  GOING ONLY ROLE THEY HAVE. THE  CITY'S DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL  STRUCTURE IS TO PROVE  VARIANCES SO I JUST WANT TO  MAKE SURE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND  THAT IF ALL THESE APPEALS THEY  GO TO THE ZONING HEARING  OFFICER TO THE CITY COMMISSION  THEN THAT PROCESS WOULD HAVE  TO BE ELIMINATED FROM THE CITY  CODE ENTIRELY AS WELL.  >> ARE REASON THAT I AM REALLY  STICKING TO MY GUNS ON THIS.  YOU WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW IS  ZONING HEARING OFFICER TO  INCREASE THE HEIGHT, MORE YOU  KNOW WHATEVER SINCE I'M SORRY  IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS  HEARING OFFICER TO REDUCE  PARKING. OR TO REDUCE BUFFER.  THE CITIZENS ARE NOT NOTIFIED  OF IT BECAUSE IT'S CALLED A  VARIANCE INSTEAD OF A WAIVER.  WE FIRST HAVE TO NOTIFY THE  NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S STILL A  JUDICIAL HEARING IRIS  NOTIFICATION.  >> ALL RIGHT WE WANT TO WHERE  WE STAND SO IF WE'RE GOING.  VICE MAYOR BUT NO. AS I KNOW  THESE IS AMOUNTS ARE SO SMALL  AND. THE PUBLIC WILL STILL AND  ALSO IN PARTICULAR PARKING I  KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT  THAT SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE  ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD  NOT PUT IN THESE TREE ISLANDS  THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  BECAUSE THEY. AND AGAIN NO  MORE THAN 15% AND THE BUFFER.  A 100 FOOT BUFFER YOU'RE  TALKING ABOUT 10 FEET VICE  MAYOR SAID THINK LIKE WHAT  ABOUT THE MAJOR VARIANCES TO  SENATE GOES TO THE HEARING I  MEAN NOW. LANGDON KNOW. I'M A  YES. COMMISSIONER AVERAGE TO  DO THE ROLL THAT.  >> YES MA'AM I WOULD  ESPECIALLY WHEN CONCERN TO THE  MAJORS OBVIOUS ON  >> HAD 3 HAVE THAT THANK YOU.  HAVEN'T ANOTHER. WELL DIDN'T  FOR THIS PLENTY MORE ANYTHING  ELSE FROM. DO YOU KNOW CAN WE.  ADDRESSING SECTION WITH  >> EVERY THE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETING. THANKS IS ONLY 500  FEET.  >> AND THAT HEARD FROM MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THEY  THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO SMALL.  >> I DIDN'T WAIT ON THAT, BUT  I THOUGHT 5 AND IF IT WAS  REASONABLE.  >> I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF IS  STILL WANTING TO DO THE  PRESENTATION GIVEN THE FACT  THAT WE'RE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS WITH PLAYERS NOW.  >> I I SEE NO NEED FOR FOR OUR  STAFF TO CONTINUE THE  PRESENTATION OUR MAJOR  QUESTION WAS TO CLARIFY THE  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING  REQUIREMENTS AND IF IT WAS TO  BE FOR ALL PROJECTS OR A  CERTAIN TYPE OF PROJECT WE'VE  RECEIVED CONSENSUS TO REQUIRE  FOR ALL NEW PROJECTS ON ON  WANTED TO FAMILY. OBJECTS  BEFORE ADMINISTRATIVE  APPROVAL, SO WE AND WE'RE  HAPPY MORE QUESTIONS. PROVIDE  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON  OTHER ITEMS.  >> ON THE SO ACCORDING TO THE  REST OF IT IS THAT THE  APPLICANT SHALL SEND OUT  NOTICES TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS  WITHIN 500 FEET. 15 DAYS PRIOR  TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT  THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE  STRICKEN, I ASSUME BECAUSE  IT'S ALL. JUST WANT CLARITY  PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK AT A 2.  SINCE THE APPLICANT SHELF AND  THAT MAILED NOTICES TO ALL  PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500  FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.  15 DAYS PRIOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.  SINCE WE'RE DOING IT FOR ALL  DEVELOPMENTS I JUST WANT TO  MAKE SURE SCHOOL  >> CLEARLY IT WILL BE. IT WILL  SPECIFY.  >> THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS  AND IT WILL BE AFTER. IT WILL  BE.  >> AFTER ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW  FOR PROJECTS THAT REQUIRE.  PROJECTS THAT MAY BE APPROVED  ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THEN 15  DAYS BEFORE.  >> FOR 4TH. THE PUBLIC HEARING  WILL CLARIFY THIS LANGUAGE  BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE IT.  EITHER THE SAME SET OF RULES  OR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND  PUBLIC HEARING APPROVAL. OR WE  NEED TO TWEAK THAT SLIGHTLY  BASED ON THE TIMING SO  APPROVAL WILL BE AFTER FIRST  DRC REVIEW AND THAT THE PUBLIC  HEARINGS THE PROJECTS REQUIRE  PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL KEEP UP  THE 15 DAYS WHICH IS WHAT'S  CURRENTLY SO WE'RE GOING TO  NEED TO MASSAGE THAT LANGUAGE  A LITTLE BIT AND TO WANT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL US  COMMENTS AS FAR AS THE H.O.A.  NOTIFICATION I'M NOT ENTIRELY  CERTAIN WHY THIS THAT CITY OF  LANGUAGE WAS IT WAS IN THE  ORIGINAL DROPPED ABOUT  NOTIFYING THE H.O.A. AND I  THINK IT WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE  IF THERE'S COMMON AREA FOR AN  H.O.A. AND 500 BOUNDARY. WE  NOT FIND THEM ANYWAY. WHAT  HAPPENED TO PUT THAT SPECIFIC  LANGUAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL  DRAFT THE TALKS ABOUT. IF  THERE'S AN H.O.A. COMMUNITY  THAN THE HOMEOWNERS  ASSOCIATION WILL SPECIFICALLY  PERCEIVED NOTICE. LOT BUT THAT  I CAN IF THAT'S IF THAT'S AN  IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR YOU ALL.  >> I'D LIKE TO GET 3 CONSENSUS  JUST FOR CLARITY AND GIVE  CLEAR DIRECTION I'M THE FIRST  ONE I'D LIKE TO DO IS  CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 1350  NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENT FOR  ALL REZONE AND SPECIAL  EXCEPTIONS. NEIGHBORHOOD  MEETINGS IS 1200. SO STAFF IS  SUGGESTING 500 I'VE HEARD FROM  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS 500 IS  TOO SMALL.  >> AND I KNOW THAT OTHER  MUNICIPALITIES AND SURROUNDING  AREAS ONLY DO 300 DEAL  WERE NORTH PORT LET'S DO IT  LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOTIFY THE  PEOPLE 1350 SQUARE FEET FROM  THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.  IF IT'S WITH NEAR H.O.A. THEN  THEY GOT TO GET NOTIFIED.  STICK WITH WHAT WE KNOW STICK  WITH WHAT'S WORKED AND NOTIFY  THE PEOPLE NEARBY. SO I'D LIKE  TO GET A CONSENSUS TO HAVE  APPLICANT CHO MAILED THE  NOTICE IS WITHIN 1350 SQUARE  FEET.  >> THEY HAVE TO SPECIFY  NOTICES FOR WATER WE JUST JUST  PART OF THE WHOLE OF  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS SO ANY  MAIL KNOW THE SPECIAL  EXCEPTIONS ALL OF THAT STUFF  E-MAIL NOTICES WITHIN 30 1350  SQUARE I MEAN YES.  >> THANK YOU COMMISSION WE'RE  STARTING US OFF THERE. SHOWING  >> TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING THIS  THE PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPERS  JUST TO REMIND YOU SENDING IT  FARMS WERE CURRENTLY WALKED.  BUT THAT'S PRACTICE  >> PARTLY 150 I BELIEVE AND  13TH IT FOR ON AIDS. AND I  JUST WANTED JUST CLARIFY THE  LANGUAGE THE NOTIFICATION  BOUNDARIES USUALLY MEASURED  RADIUS NOT SQUARE SO I JUST  WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE  CLARIFICATION ON THE ON THE  QUESTION.  >> RADIUS ITS WAY IT IS NOW.  OKAY, A YES ON THAT.  >> THIS FAR THESE ARE FOR YOU  MENTION SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS  REZONING THERE'S SOMETHING  THAT WOULD MEETINGS. WE URGE.  >> I WANT TO CLARIFY MY MIND.  YES. YES WOULD BE TOO KEEP  ISLAND PRACTICE, WHICH IS 1200  M RADIUS OF 1250 FEET AND  1358. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ETC.  >> AND I CAN BE AMENABLE TO  THAT I MEAN A 115 IN  NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED YOU GET  THIS NOTICE. SO I WILL BE  AMENABLE TO MAIL NOTICES OF  1315 RADIUS FOR 3 ZONES,  SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS WAIVERS.  1204 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.  >> ALSO THIS I AND WE'RE BEING  EXTREMELY. EXPECTED. GO AHEAD,  VICE MAYOR. WELL, I SAID.  >> EARLIER I THINK 500 WAY TOO  LITTLE SO ABSOLUTELY SO  >> COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> YES, BUT I I WOULD JUST  KEPT IT THE SAME AND MADE IT  EASY 1350 FOR EVERYTHING. BE A  U.S..  >> NEXT CONSENSUS IS TO  CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE JOEYS  ADJACENT TO MUST H.O.A. MUST  BE NOTIFIED. I MEAN YES. YES  AND THIS IS FOR NOTICES THAT  MATTERS. I'M THAT THEY GET  NOTIFIED AS I'M A YES FOR THAT  WE HAVE THE U.S. COMMISSIONER  LINE THEN YES FROM VICE MAYOR.  >> COMMISSIONER DOWN TO 2  FISH. A DEFINITE YES, OKAY  COMMISSIONER ELRICH.  >> YES OKAY.  >> THANK YOU AND THE LAST ONE  AND THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC  COMMENTER FOR REMINDING ME OF  CURRENTLY OUR AGRICULTURAL  AREAS, THEY HAVE LARGE MONTHS  OF LAND. 1350 SQUARE PROBABLY  WOULDN'T FIT IN THAT  NOTIFICATION I BELIEVE OUR  CURRENT CODE IS ONE MILE. WERE  THOSE LARGER PARCELS. COPYING  FOR AGRICULTURAL TO BE ONE  MILE NOTIFICATION.  >> YEAH, I HAVING THE SPINES  IT JUST I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH  THAT PARTICULAR STATISTIC.  WHAT IS OUR CURRENT. PRACTICE.  THAT'S.  >> THAT'S IF A CITY OR A  DIFFERENT MEDICATION MOUNT  GRIEF OR AGRICULTURAL IS NOT  FAMILIAR TO ME. LOOKING IN  URBAN AREAS BOUNDARY, IT'S  1320 FEET. I I AM I AM LOOKING  AND IT DOES NOT COME TO MIND  TO THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL  FOR PROPERTIES IN THE  AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.  >> NOT SEEING ANY LIGHT BULBS  GO ON THAT THEY'RE WITH EITHER  SO THEN NOW I'LL CREATE THE  CONSENSUS AND THE. BECAUSE 3  TO 5 ACRE PERSONS OUT THERE  YES, THEY'RE AND.  >> THEY'RE GOOD MATH, I DON'T  KNOW HOW MANY ACRES EQUAL A  MILE I'LL I'LL ASK FOR THE  CONSENSUS TO AGRICULTURAL  PROPERTIES ONE MILE RADIUS OF  REZONE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND  WAIVERS. THAT INFORMS TO OUR  CURRENT PRACTICE, SOMETHING  YES. IT'S A CHANGE FOR WHAT  IT. THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO  LOOK AT IT WILL LOOK AT IT  WHEN IT COMES THE CONSENSUS IS  ONE MILE. SO IF IT'S NOW A  MILE AND A HALF MAYBE IT'S TOO  MILD. IT'S BEEN ONLY BE OUT.  BUT IF IT'S. 1215 RADIUS THEN  IT'S GOING TO BE A MONTH. SO  IT'S ONE MIND IS WHAT THE  CONSENSUS IS STAFF WILL HAVE  TO LOOK AT COMBAT.  >> A MILE AS IT JUST AND LIKE  YOU SAID THERE RICH.  >> I THINK YOU HAVE A  DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING IN THE  MIDDLE OF AN AGRICULTURAL AREA  WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN  BECAUSE THERE IS SOME PROPERTY  THAT'S LOOKING TO BE. AND THEY  ASK FOR A WAIVER. IF YOU ONLY  GO 1350 FEET OUT. THAT'S ONE  PARCEL. BUT IT'S AFFECTING  THAT WHOLE GENERAL AREA  BECAUSE THOSE PERSONS OR  SUMMER AND ONE MILE WAS  NOTHING. MOUNT SNOW.  >> VICE MAYOR VICE MAYOR YES.  THAT DOES IT COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE. YES. AND WE'RE GONNA  COME BACK FOR A **** ASIAN ON  THAT RIGHT.  >> SO I HAVE ON THE SUBJECT.  THANK YOU.  I HAVE A LOT OF  OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I RELATING  TO STAFFS. PRESENTATION. I DO  HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS RELATES  TO OUR CONSENSUS IS THAT WE'RE  GIVEN. AND I KNOW STAFF TRIED  REALLY HARD TO CAPTURE ALL  THOSE CONSENSUS IS THAT WE'RE  GIVEN. BUT I FOUND A FEW THAT  OVERLOOKED. AND I'D LIKE TO  BRING TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION  AND MAKE SURE THEY GET  CAPTURED CORRECTLY LIKE YOU  GAVE THOSE CONSENSUS IS FOR.  I'M ONE OF THEM WAS.  NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WE  ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT WARM  WITH MY PAGE.  >> IT WAS A CONSENSUS AT THE  MAY FIRST 2023 MEETING TO HAVE  SPECIAL EXCEPTION.  >> FOR GAS STATIONS IN THE MX  2 ZONING WHICH IS NOW THE NEW  C OR ZONING. THE USE CHART HAS  A GAS STATION HAS PERMITTED.  AND THAT'S YOUR AND I'D LIKE  TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GETS  CHANGED BACK TO A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION OR IN A PERFECT  WORLD, AN EX BECAUSE THAT SEAL  OUR CORRIDOR. COULD ZONE SOME  PROPERTIES.  >> NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL NOW  BUT NOW IT'S C O R.  >> OR A CT AND HAVE A GAS  STATION NEXT TO PEOPLE'S  HOMES. THE CONSENSUS WAS IN  MAY TO HAVE IT BE A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION AND I WOULD BE  AMENABLE TO THAT BEING CARRIED  OUT IT WASN'T CAPTURED USED  HER.  >> AND WHAT REALLY YOU'RE  REFERRING A WHICH WAS WAS NEXT  WHO ISN'T SEA RIGHT WHEN YOU  GO TO THE USE CHARGE ON KH.  CHANGED, MEAN THAT'S FEELING  STATION PAGE 69 OF USE CHART.  >> SO YOU'RE SAYING IS  PERMITTED NOW YOU WANT TO SEE  IT WHAT NOT PERMITTED AT  LEAST.  >> THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSION  GAVE CONSENSUS ON BEFORE TO  HAPPEN SPECIAL EXCEPTION,  CORRECT WE COULD GET A  CONSENSUS AGAIN. TO CHANGE C O  R VEHICLE FUELING STATION TO S  E. YES.  >> VICE MAYOR IS  >> THEY ARE ZS YES.  COMMISSIONER EMRICH. YES OF  >> THE OTHER ONE IS. IT WAS A  CONSENSUS BACK IN JUNE OF 23  TO PROHIBIT.  >> MINING FOR HACKING AND  REFINING.  >> IN ANY JUST.  >> ACTIVITY CENTER OR ZONING  DISTRICT IN THE CITY. HOWEVER,  WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOU  START TO MINING. AND RE  FINDING. THEY ARE SOMETIMES A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND STEPPED  UP AND ACTS LIKE WE HAD GIVEN  DIRECTION. SO THAT NEEDS TO GO  BACK TO THE CONSENSUS THAT WAS  GIVEN IN JUNE TO PROHIBIT  THEM. AND I HAVE I HAVE A LIST  OF WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGED. MY  PITS THOSE SEEN HERE ACROSS  WHERE YOU SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED  MINING. IT'S SPECIAL EXCEPTION  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. MISSION  GAVE DIRECTION TO HAVE THOSE  AND ACTS WHICH MEANS  PROHIBITED. SAME WITH WITH  REFINING. NOT JUST IN THE  STANDARD YOU START, BUT ALSO  IN THE. ACTIVITY CENTERS.  >> DESPITE YOU HAVE I YES I  THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE  EARTH MONTH DREDGING. SECTION  DOES PROHIBIT OIL AND NATURAL  GAS EXPLORATION OR PRODUCTION.  PRODUCTION THAT UTILIZES WELL  STIMULATION AND PHOSPHATE  MINING WE DIDN'T THINK THAT  COVERED THE CONSENSUS. THE  ALLOWANCES UNDER THE EU'S  TABLE. WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT  MINING AND BORROW PETS WAS  INTENDED TO ADDRESS THE  POTENTIAL FOR BORROW PAT  ASSOCIATED WITH NEW  DEVELOPMENT IN SOME OF OUR  LARGER ARE LARGER ACTIVITY  CENTERS. I CAN SEE WHERE IT  MIGHT NEED SOME CLARITY TO  UPHOLD THE MINING PORTION OUT  OF THE PETS. OR JUST  PROHIBITED THAT'S THAT'S  SOMETHING THAT THAT I GUESS  WAS NOT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THE  CONSENSUS AT LEAST NOT TO  STAFF WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT  MINING TRACKING CENTER IS MUCH  DIFFERENT THAN THE USE OF A  BORROW PIT A STAB WOUND OR AND  PREPARING A SITE FOR A  LARGE-SCALE DEVELOPMENT.  >> WE BACK WHEN WE FIRST  STARTED TALKING THE ULDC BE  REWRITTEN. THE COMMISSION AT  THAT TIME AND I'LL HAVE TO  LOOK FOR WHEN IT WAS WE I WILL  NEVER FORGET. COMMISSIONER  KARA SOME THE IN SO ADAMANTLY  OPPOSED TO BORROW PITS IN OUR  CITY. AND SO MADE IT A  CONSENSUS TO NOT ALLOW BAUER  CUTS. SO I JUST. WANTED TO  JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE AND  I KNOW THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN  AREAS THAT DO HAVE PITS  THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL. CURRENT  LAKE THAT'S ABOUT HOWEVER 30  MILE ROUND BORROW SO MANY  DEVELOPMENTS USED FOCUS TO  BUILD UP THEIR  >> WROTE IT. SO HOW'D THAT. IF  IT IS GOING TO PROHIBIT THAT  THAT PRETTY MUCH. COMPLICATES  THE STORMWATER ISSUES AS WELL  WATER PONDS ARE OFTEN  ESSENTIALLY THAT ARE THAT  THAT. THERE SO THAT HAS TAKEN  SOME THERE FOR THE STATES WANT  TO CALL THEM ARE HITS AND IT'S  MOVED OVER TO BUILD UP OTHER  AREAS. THE REASON WE SAID NO  TO BORROW PITS BECAUSE THEY  WERE DOING IN THE BORROW PITS  AND SELLING THIS THE PHIL OKAY  THAT'S NOT BE AND OKAY SO YOU  STARTED TALKING AND WE CAN  CLARIFY THAT THE SOIL IS IT'S  BORROWED FROM THE PITT HAS TO  BE USED ON SITE,  >> THAT'S THAT'S AN EASY  CLARIFICATION TYPICALLY THE  STANDARD PROCESS.  >> IN THE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE  WELL IN PARKING WILL BE STAR  FARMS AND I WOULD AGREE 20 IS  TOO TOO. TAKE THAT SOIL AND  THEN BUILD UP THEIR SITE  BECAUSE OFTEN. FOR THEM IN  THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS WITH  THE STATE IF THEY DON'T HAVE  TO BRING A LOT OF STILL IN  MALL SITE.  >> IF YOU COULD BRING UP CHART  AGAIN. RIGHT SO BEFORE I DO.  >> OUR EARTH MOVING DREDGING  ON STOCKPILING. DOES  INCORPORATE. REQUIREMENTS FOR  EARTHMOVING ASSOCIATED WITH  SITE DEVELOPMENT AND  INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS. AND THEN  IT INCORPORATES DIFFERENT  ROLES FOR MINING SLASH  EXCAVATIONS WHICH REQUIRE THE  SPECIAL EXCEPTION PER THE USE  TABLE. SO I JUST WANTED TO  CLARIFY THAT WE THINK  WE HAVE YOU KNOW DIGGING HOMS  FOR ASSOCIATED WITH A SITE  DEVELOPMENT FOR SAYS THE  KROMER SHOAL A BORROW PIT.  >> AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN  DO THAT. OR A FIGHT THAT.  >> I THINK IT IT PRETTY WELL  CLARIFIED THE EARTH MOVING  SECTION AND NOT IN THE USED  WRECK THE USE CHART DOES CALL  OUT THE MINING AND BORROW PIT  AND WAS ALLOW A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION OR THAT COMMERCIAL.  ARE AT AND THE TABLE. WE CAN  REMOVE THE WORD MINING. WE CAN  REMOVE THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION  AUTHORIZATION, ENTIRELY  WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS OF THE  COMMISSION HAS.  >> IT'S THE PAGE 68 IF THAT  MAKES IT EASIER TO GET  ACTIVITY CENTERS HASN'T.  >> ACTIVITIES SO.  >> SO IF YOU REMOVE MINING AND  HAVE BORROW PIT. AND THEN  CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE THAT THE  BAR OPAQUE CAN'T SELL THE. YOU  KNOW ON-SITE OR OFF-SITE  SELLING.  >> BUT MAYBE.  >> AND THEN ALSO PUT LIKE A  LITTLE FOOTNOTE THAT PHOSPHATE  MINING WELL IF YOU'RE GOING TO  REMAIN MINDS PULLED YET, BUT  IT'S IT'S PULLED OUT, BUT IT'S  VERY AMBIGUOUS BECAUSE HERE  YOU'RE SAYING OH WE CAN DO IT  WITH SPECIAL EXCEPTION. I JUST  WANTED TO BE LOST THAT  PHOSPHATE MINE IS ABSOLUTELY  NOT PERMITTED AND MAYBE JUST  PUT LIKE A LITTLE FOOTNOTE  SECY 5004.2.  SIMILAR  CONVERSATION REGARDING MY  REFINING. JUST  >> I THINK THAT STAFF CLARIFY  IT QUICKLY PROVIDED WE HAVE  DIRECTION FROM THE CITY THAT.  BUT IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS YOU  DO NOT WANT TO ALLOW  COMMERCIAL BORROW PETS PERIOD.  IN WHICH CASE. WE OUR 5 THE  TABLE AND WE WILL THE  COMMERCIAL.  >> MINING IN BARRA PET SECTION  UNDER CHAPTER 4 ENTIRELY.  >> I LIKE TO HAVE THAT  CONSENSUS FROM THE COMMISSION  THEM NO UNCERTAIN TERMS YOU  WANT TO PROHIBIT ANY WON IS  DIGGING A POND OR A LAKE AS  PART OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION  FROM SELLING ANY OF THAT FILM  MATERIAL TO ANYONE ELSE. IF  THEY ARE GOING OPERATE A  COMMERCIAL BORROW AT OR THEM  THEY WOULD BE SELLING THAT  BILL AND THEY MIGHT THE  SELLING IT AS PART OF THEIR  OWN SITE DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE  THEY DON'T NEED ALL THAT DIRT  FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. IN  WHICH CASE THEY NEED A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION IF THEY'RE GOING TO  HAVE A COMMERCIAL BORROW PAT.  THE REDS ARE CURRENTLY DRAFTED  SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME  CLARITY ON THAT FROM THE  COMMISSION NO NO SELLING OF  FILL DIRT OR. YES WITH A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION LIMITED  CIRCUMSTANCES.  >> SO THE CONSENSUS ALL SEEK.  VE MISSED JURY OR SOMEBODY  FROM PUBLIC WORKS CAN ANSWER  THIS QUESTION.  >> WHEN THEY. BARRO PIT. AND  THEY USE THAT FILL ON THEIR  PROPERTY. THEIR PROPERTY IS  FROM THERE. DEVELOPMENT BUT  THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR.  WHICH MIGHT IN THE SAME  DEVELOPMENTAL. IS THAT  CONSIDERED SALE. FEELING  DOUBLY ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.  SO AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN  DOING THIS A LONG TIME. IT'S  WONDERFUL. IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO  HAVE THESE RESTRICTIONS, I'M  GOING TO TELL SO FINDING. IF  YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER HE'S  BUILDING IN DEVELOPMENT.  THERE'S SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR IN  THE VICINITY THAT NEEDS DIRT.  >> NEED IT. CONSULTANT. THAT'S  JUST HOW IT PART OF THE  DEVELOPMENT WORLD. GOOD TO  HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON IT AND TO  SAY MAYBE WITHIN A CERTAIN  RADIUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT  YOU KNOW EVERYBODY FROM ALL  OVER THE CITY GOING TO BUY THE  DIRT. BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE  IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO  CONTROL.  >> IF WE DON'T HAVE A CODE IN  THERE TO TRY AND CONTROL IN  THERE. IT'S WILD WILD WEST.  THEY DO WITH THE BUT BUT IS A  VERY VERY IT'S A THINK VERY  HIGH COMMODITY IT'S VERY  COMPETITIVE AND WE DO SO IT IF  YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER THAT HAS  NEARBY DEVELOPMENTS LIKELY  FACE MORE WANT TO BUY IT  THERE.  >> RATHER THAN HAVE GO  SOMEWHERE ALSTON VERSUS CITY  THAT WORTH. IT'S RIGHT THERE,  I IT'S A LOT MORE SENSE TO DO  IT THAT WAY THEY HAVEN'T  DESTRUCTION RESTRICTIONS IN  PLACE IS GOOD. IT'S A GOOD  IDEA BUT TO THINK IT'S NOT  GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT  RELEASED.  >> SO IF I MAY ARE YOU  SUGGESTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION  SELLING BEYOND CERTAIN RADIUS  IT COULD YOU BRING THE SCREEN  IS.  >> SO THESE ARE THE  REQUIREMENTS  >> THE COMMERCIAL MINING ARE  AT SECTION. SO IT'S BASED ON  VOLUME THE BILL. ONCE YOU GET  TO A CERTAIN VOLUME OF TELL  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SOW  THAT'S WHAT TEENS WHO HAS A  COMMERCIAL MINING OR POOR  OPERATION.  >> THE OTHER SECTION 5004.3  TALKS ABOUT THE SITE  DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE  ASSOCIATED.  >> DREDGING CAN STOP ISLAND.  SO I THINK IF THEY FALL ALLOW  NOW A 100. DO YOU THINK YOU  ARE. REALLY NOT LIKELY TO BE  MOVING THAT VOLUME OF DIRT TO  OFF-SITE LOCATION. IF YOU AND  THEY'RE THEREFORE THAT'S WHERE  THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION  REQUIREMENT EXTENT. THOUGHT WE  HAD IT COVERED BY IT'S UNKNOWN  AMOUNT OF PHIL. ANYONE WHO'S  DOING A DEVELOPMENT IS ADVISED  OKAY IF I NEED TO SELL. FOR A  100. MORE CUBIC YARDS OF  DURHAM. WANT TO MEET THE  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. JUST DOING  MY DEVELOPMENT MAYBE ON SOME  DIRT TO THE SITE NEXT DOOR AND  ON BELOW THESE AMOUNTS AND I  CAN DO IT I I DEVELOPED  INFRASTRUCTURE PERMIT WITHOUT  GETTING THAT SPECIAL EXCEPTION  FOR THE EARTH MOVE.  >> SO IS IT IS WHAT HEARING  THE ONE REMOVE MINING FROM  THAT USE CHART. TO TO CLARIFY  THE LANGUAGE. INCORPORATE SOME  TYPE OF LANGUAGE REGARDING THE  PROHIBITION OF SALE OF PHIL.  ABOVE THOSE. BUT THAT CHARTS  LIMITATIONS. TRYING TO  FORMULATE A CONSENSUS THAT'S  KIND OF CLEAR. THAT GIVES YOU  DIRECTION.  >> WELL IF TAXES TO OUR PET OF  THE SALE SO WELL ABOVE A  CERTAIN NOT HAVE IT BASED ON  SUPPLY AND SINCE IT NOW THAT  ARE BULLIED A KID AND I THINK  YOUR CONSENSUS PROBABLY COVERS  WHAT YOU'RE TRYING ACCOMPLISH.  YOU'RE NOT THERE. TRY  CONSENSUS.  >> TO REMOVE THE WORD MINING  FROM THE.  >> STANDARD AND ACTIVITY  CENTER USE CHARTS.  >> AND CLARIFY.  >> LANGUAGE ON BORROW PITS.  PIVOTING. THE COMMERCIAL SALE.  THE FILM.  >> YEAH FOR ON THAT. DON'T  KNOW WHAT. OFTEN IT'S MORE  FULL. THE NUMBERS  >> IN THINK IT WAS NECESSARY  BASED ON WHAT MS. LAWRIE JUST.  THE STORY DOES MY CONSENSUS  GET YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO  WITH BASED ON THE CONVERSATION  IN THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU JUST  WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.  >> THAT'S THAT'S THE SALE OF  BILL THAT WOULD ALSO PROHIBIT  IT. I'M HAVING ACCESS. WELL,  I'M THINKING THIS PONDS.  >> SO I WENT TO PROPERTY OWNER  OR DEVELOPER BE ON THE  IMMEDIATE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR  SO CONSENSUS THIS ALLOW AND  OUT OF OUR PETS. INCLUDING  STORM WATER EXCAVATIONS IN  CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY CAN  STILL USE IT ON SITE THEY CAN  USE IT ON THE THE QUESTION IS  IS THAT COMMISSION WANTS  SUPPLY AND DEMAND TO HANDLE  ABOUT WITH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION  OVER A CERTAIN VOLUME AND  LIMITED AREAS. DO YOU WANT TO.  BUT THAT SALE AND INTERFERE IN  THE FREE MARKET OF THE  CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY I I I  DON'T KNOW I'M SORRY WILL  SAY THAT.  >> THIS IS A LOT GOOD.  >> IF YOU EXCAVATE FOR YOURS  YOU'RE REQUIRED EXCAVATE THE  STORM WATER PONDS. FIRST IT  REQUIRED TO EXCAVATE TO A  CERTAIN VOLUME DEBT. YOU  SOMETHING THAT THAT BILL IF  YOU CAN'T USE IT ON SITE. THE  INDUSTRY STANDARD. IS TO SELL.  SOMEBODY ELSE. AND. I LOVE  ANOTHER JURISDICTION PROHIBITS  RIGHT WHAT BEEN ASKING FOR,  BUT I'M NOT GETTING A CLEAR  ENOUGH ANSWER FOR CONSENSUS,  >> TO PROHIBIT THE SALE OF  PHIL. OUTSIDE OF GENERAL AREA  AND DEPTH AND SIZE SO SAFE  THAT WHAT TRYING TO DO IN ON  THAT BASICALLY. THEN YOU'RE  YOU'RE SAYING. BEYOND. VOLUME  NEEDED. THAT SITE EXCAVATE.  I'M TRYING THINK THIS ON THE  FLY BUT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE  GETTING AT. THE TOTAL AMOUNT  THAT A FILM THAT IN ORDER TO  MEET. THE STORM WATER  REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S THE ONLY  AMOUNT THAT CAN BE SOLVED YOU  CAN'T SO ABOVE THAT.  >> I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION  COMMISSIONER MC DOWELL LIVE DO  YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT WHAT  PROBLEM YOU TRYING TO DON'T  WANT.  >> THEY'RE TO BE 50 MILLION  BORROW PITS BECAUSE THAT IS  VERY HEAVY ON OUR ROADS IT  HURTS OUR ROADS WITH THAT  WEIGHT GOING FROM THIS  LOCATION TO 15 MILES DOWN THE  ROAD. IF IT'S LOCALLY THAT'S  FINE IF IT'S WITHIN A  GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT TIME  AGAIN BUT IT RACHEL BAR  TOMORROW PETS ARE NOT ALLOWED  TO CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING I'M  WHAT OPTION AND ALI AND  ACTIVITY TIME AND IF YOU LOOK  AT DETAIL CHOIR MONTHS IN  SECTION 5004.4.  >> THERE ARE ONGOING WORK WIRE  MONTHS OR ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS  THEY NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH  THAT.  >> THERE WERE ALL ROUTE. THEY  NEED TO POST BONDS FOR  IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE ROADWAY  SHUT THOSE PLACE ON TO  DISREPAIR FOR. BASED ON THEIR  OPERATIONS SO WE DO HAVE.  >> CONTROLS IN THAT SECTION  OVER AND ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT  FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.  >> SO EXCEPTION ON THE YOU SEE  IF WE CAN REALLY JUST CUT TO  THE CHASE ON WE REMOVE MY NAME  FROM THE YOU START AND KEEP  CHARTS AND SPECIAL EXCEPTION  DOES THEN THAT KICK IT  AUTOMATICALLY TO THIS BILL AND  DREDGE THINGS THAT YOU'RE  TALKING ABOUT IN SECTION  5004.2.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE WOULD TO  CHANGE THE FULL AND SECTION 4  POINT 0.4 TO ADDRESS ONLY  BORROW PETS AND ELIMINATE  MINING ON SECTION.  >> THAT CONSENSUS LET'S SEE IF  I CAN TRY THIS TRYING TO GET  US THERE BUT I FEEL TO REMOVE  MINING FROM THE STANDARD IN  ACTIVITY YOU START I THINK  THAT'S A GIVEN  ♪ STOP THERE.  ♪ OKAY SO GOOD DAY OK LET'S  START THERE. I MEAN, YES, I  MEAN, YES.  >> VICE MAYOR SURE IMAGE.  >> YES, SO THEN HAVE STAFF  CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE REGARDING  BORROW PIT.  >> YES, HAHA. THAT'S WHAT YOU  WANT YOUR BEST THE CONSENSUS  STAFF OKAY I'M A YES. I MEAN,  YES.  >> I MEAN, YES. MISTER YES,  >> WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING WITH  THE USE CHARGES KEEP ITS  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. WHEN YOU'RE  GOING TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE  IS THAT GOING THE PART OF THE  CLARIFICATION ARE YOU GOING TO  KEEP ITS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.  >> A CASE JUST WANT TO MAKE  SURE.  >> ALL RIGHT SO IT'S NOT  ASSOCIATED WITH YOU GET A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR BORROW IS  ACTIVITY CENTER SIZE AND  ACTIVITY CENTER TIME AND ALL  OF THE REQUIREMENTS. I'M SAYS  IN ROAD ROADWAY AND TALK SOME  MITIGATION UNDER 5004.4 WOULD  APPLY ON TOP OF THE SPECIAL  EXCEPTION EXCELLENT OKAY SO  LET'S GO ON TO PAGE ONE 49.  THIS ONE'S A.  >> AND DECEMBER 14TH 2023 THE  COMMISSION GAVE A CONSENSUS TO  NOT REDUCE THE BUFFER ONE  OFFENSES, INCLUDING. SOMEHOW  THAT LANGUAGE WAS NEVER  CAPTURED IN THIS DRAFT. AND IT  IS STILL RELY IS STILL  ALLOWING THE REDUCTION IN THE  BUFFER FROM 15 FEET TO TEND  TO. SO AND THAT'S FOR ALL.  WHERE IT APPLIES REGARDING  BUFFERS. SO THE CONSENSUS WAS  TO NOT REDUCE. HOWEVER THAT'S  NOT CAPTURED IN THIS TEXT. SO  I WOULD LIKE TO GET A  CONSENSUS. 2 REINSTATE THE  CONSENSUS OF DECEMBER. WHICH  WAS AT THAT AGAIN. WHAT IF  THAT WAS IT. HE SAID DO NOT  ALLOW A REDUCTION IN THE WHEN  A FAN DOES IS USED. VICE MAYOR  YES. THERE'S YES. I MEAN, YES  LG S.  >> COMMISSIONER EMRICH THANK  YOU YOU.  >> WE HAD A HUGE DISCUSSION  ABOUT EVENTS SIGNAGE. I KNOW  THAT THIS IS GOING PROBABLY BE  A LONG TO HAVE THE CITY  ATTORNEY WORK WITH STAFF TO A  LEGAL OPINION ABOUT ISSUING  PERMITS. TO HAVE SIGNS IN THE  RIGHT AWAY WHEN THE APPLICANT  HOSTING A SPECIAL EVENT. WE  GAVE A CONSENSUS FOR SPECIAL  EVENTS SIGNAGE TO BE PLACED IN  THE SOCIETY RIGHT AWAY AND TO  DISCUSS OPTIONS THAT COULD BE  AVAILABLE. I KNOW I HAD A  ONE-ON-ONE AND WE HAD A GREAT  CONVERSATION. BUT NOTHING IS  CAPTURED IN THIS CODE AND I  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES  NOT LOST IN THIS WHOLE  PROCESS. WE HAVE A LOT OF  PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO  ALLOW NEW SIGNS.  >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT  THIS ISSUE. IS GOING TO COME  BACK TO US WITH REGARD TO.  SOME LANGUAGE CHANGES  RECOMMENDED BY OUTSIDERS  COUNCIL.  >> WHERE IS DO YOU LIKE WHICH  YOU HAVE LANGUAGE AND OR  SPECIAL EVENTS AND TEMPER USES  THIS IS ONLY FOR SPECIAL  EVENTS AND THIS ISN'T THE  CURRENT DRAFT AND SECTION  10003.1. WE LANGUAGE AS  RECOMMENDED BY OUTSIDE COUNSEL  TO ALLOW FOR SIGNAGE ON CITY  ON PROPERTY, CONSISTENT WITH  THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE OF  THAT. NOW THIS IS LIMITED TO  EVENTS HOW ON CITY-OWNED  PROPERTY THROUGH THE SPECIAL  EVENT PERMIT. WE DID HAVE ONE  ON ONES WITH ALL OF YOU. THE  CONVERSATION AND THE  CONVERSATIONS WERE GREAT  OUTSIDE COUNSEL HAD SOME  WONDERFUL IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE  CAN POTENTIALLY GET THERE  EVENTS THAT ARE HELD ON  PRIVATE PROPERTY AND AND OR  SIGNAGE FOR CERTAIN NONPROFIT  TYPE INDIVIDUALS ART.  CERTAINLY PROFIT TYPE  ORGANIZATIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT  OKAY, WHAT ABOUT THE SOCCER  LEAGUE AND AND THE AND THE  CITY LITTLE LEAGUE AND WHAT  ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE  RENTING THE BUILDING THEY'RE  ALL THERE ARE SOME WORK AROUND  KIDS THAT WE PURSUE. PROVIDE  FOR SIGNAGE FOR THOSE TYPES OF  USES FOR EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY  LEASES THE CITY BUILDING ON A  REGULAR BASIS OR NOT THAT THE  SIGNAGE AND INCORPORATE IT  INTO THE LEASE AGREEMENT. IF  THOSE SPORTS EVENTS. UTILIZE  CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. THE  SENATE COULD APPROVE  DISCRETIONARY SIGNAGE THROUGH  WAS IT'S A I COULD A PARTY AND  THE. THE NONPROFIT  ORGANIZATIONS OFFERING A  SERVICE. THAT ARE A HEAVIER  LEFT. SO WE WOULD ACT IF YOU  APPROVE A LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS  THAT DISCRETIONARY SIGNAGE FOR  SPECIAL EVENTS ON CITY-OWNED  PROPERTY AND ALLOW US SOME  TIME TO WORK I DO. I HAVE YOUR  LEFT AFTER ADOPTION OF THE  ULDC WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD  BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING BACK  THE END OF THE YEAR TO TALK  ABOUT SOME KIND OF GOVERNMENT  PROGRAM. WHAT WE BELIEVE CAN  AND CANNOT BE DON PUT FROM OUR  OUTSIDE COUNCIL FAR AS WHAT IF  SOMEBODY IS LOSING A CITY  BUILDING AND IT'S NOT A  SPECIAL ABOUT IT'S A REGULAR  LEASE. WHAT YES, WHAT A. SO  THAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE  ENDLESS THE APPROACHES ARE  LIMITED AND WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE WE'VE GOT THOSE PROPERLY  BEFORE WE BRING SOMETHING  ABOUT TO YOU. WE HAVE AT THIS  MIDDLE GROUND HERE IS GOING TO  BE ACCEPTABLE FOR NOW AND THAT  YOU KNOW YOU GIVE US THE  APPROPRIATE TIME TO PUT  SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT'S  GOING ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS  AND STILL ENSURE THAT THE CITY  IS WITHIN THE LAW IN THE CASE  OFF.  >> LET ME ADD THAT OUR OUTSIDE  COUNSEL WAS ADAMANT. WE HANDLE  THOSE SITUATIONS COMMISSION  POLICIES. OUTSIDE AND SEPARATE  FROM THIS CODE IN ORDER TO  MINIMIZE POTENTIAL FOR OUR  SIGN CODE. TO CHALLENGE.  POTENTIALLY FROM COMPLETELY  SO. THAT'S WHY IN IN LAST  PUBLIC A. WHY WE'RE REQUESTING  THAT THE HANDLE. MISSION  VARIOUS METALS. SO THAT AVOID  ANY THIS CONSTITUTIONAL A  COMPLEX  >> AND QUICK FOLLOW-UP AND  THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION  BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT  OF NONPROFITS AND A LOT OF.  ENTITIES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR  SOME CLARITY ON WHEN IT'S  ALLOWED AND STUFF AND I SEE  THAT IT'S THE CITY MANAGER OR  DESIGNEE MAY APPROVE SIGNAGE  ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.  >> INCLUDING THE RIGHT AWAY  JUST FOR CLARITY IT IT IS IT  IS AND WE JUST MAKING SURE I  MISS BARNES AND I ALSO MET  WITH THE CHAMBER'S TASK FORCE  ON THE SIGN CODE LAST WEEK.  >> AND THEY WE EXPLAIN TO THEM  THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING  AT COMMISSION POLICIES TOO  WORK AROUND ISSUES AND  COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDING THAT  IT AGREED WITH  ♪ THAT IN IN. DEFINITELY WANT TO  SURE  ♪ THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR THE  CONVERSATION.  >> IT'S FROM YES GO AHEAD  COMMISSIONER WEINSTEIN'S I I  JUST HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE  2.14 UNDER GENERAL  REQUIREMENTS, 6 2.14. OBSCENE  OR INDECENT DESIGN DISPLAY  STATEMENT CHARACTER  ILLUSTRATION. WITH THAT  STATEMENT ARE WE FLYING IN THE  FACE OF THE SUPREME COURT  RULING. I WAS CONCERNED PROF.  BUT WE AND AND AND WHOSE  JUDGMENT.  >> OKAY, SO WE FOLLOW UP WITH  OUTSIDE YOU KNOW AS AS WE  MENTIONED.  >> AND ARE ONE ON SEASON 2 OF  AM WITH RHODA ARE EXPERIENCED  RIDING AND DEFENDING SIGNED LB  I HAVE REVIEWED OUR SIGN THIS  USE OF THE WORD OBSCENE AND  THE SIGN CAN BECOME  PROBLEMATIC. AND OR SNAP. IF  THAT ENFORCEMENT IS CONDUCTED  BY SOMEONE WENT OUT PROPER  INPUT FROM THEIR COUNSEL AS  JOE WHAT IS ALLOWED TO BE  CONSIDERED OBSCENE. UNDER.  >> UNDER FEDERAL SO THERE IS  FROM THE SUPREME COURT RULING  AND THERE'S THREE-PRONGED TEST  AND IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED.  >> BUT IT HAS TO RISE WHAT YOU  NORMALLY SEE WITH YOU KNOW THE  EXPORT HAVE POLITICAL  CANDIDATE THAT'S NOT  CONSIDERED OBSCENE UNDER THE  SUPREME COURT RULING. SO WE  ALL HEARD THE PUBLIC INPUT  REGARDING THE USE OF THE WORD  OF THE SIGN CODE WE WILL  FOLLOW WITH OUR OUTSIDE  COUNSEL JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT  THEY ARE. FIRMLY BACKING.  LEAVING THAT PROVISION IN THE  BUT AGAIN THERE IS A SUPREME  COURT. I'M FINDING NOT HOW  ACTUALLY HAS LONG PATH TO WHAT  IS AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED SO  WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK FOR  FIRST READING WILL MAKE SURE  WE'VE DISCUSSED IT SOLID.  >> ANSWER FOR YOU THANK YOU  FOR THAT BECAUSE IN MY  RESEARCH OF THE TOPIC THAT DID  NOT COME ACROSS THAT  THREE-PRONGED TEST SO. ALL  RIGHT THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT  UP AND I JUST HAVE A QUESTION  ABOUT THAT YOU'RE TALKING  ABOUT THE GENERAL WHAT WHAT  I'M PROTECTED BY FIRST  AMENDMENT WHEN THEY CAME UP  WITH WHAT'S CONSIDERED OBSCENE  AS I REMEMBER THIS VERY WELL,  YES TIME.  >> AND IN THE 60'S AND 70'S  THAT'S WHEN THERE THERE WERE  THERE WERE A NUMBER OF  DIFFERENT SUPREME COURT CASES  AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF  PAST AND RTD'S THAT OVERTURNED  IN THE 70'S.  >> SO IT'S IT'S A FINE LINE TO  WHAT YOU CAN REALLY CONSIDER  SEEING ARE NOT OBSCENE.  >> I DON'T REMEMBER I JUST  STEP HAPPENED BE AWARE OF SO  SO WE'LL DEFINITELY GET THAT  CLARITY FOR YOU BEFORE BY THE  TIME WE BRING THIS BACK FOR  FIRST READING. THANK YOU.  WHILE WE'RE ON COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> I HAD REQUESTED AN AGENDA  ITEM FOR NEXT TUESDAY TO  OFFENSE.  >> BEING ALLOWED ON.  >> ON IMPROVED PROPERTY BASED  ON MEETING AND DISCUSSING WITH  CITIZENS. I MET STAFF AND IT  WAS SUGGESTED THAT I CREATE AN  AGENDA ITEM WHICH I DID. BUT  THEN IT WAS. REQUESTED THAT  TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. AT THIS  ADMIT I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED  THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT  HERE BECAUSE IN THAT STAFF  MEETING MADE IT SOUND LIKE  THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A LEGAL  OPINION.  >> THOUGH THE LONG AND SHORT  OF IT IS AND I HAVE PICTURES  TO IS.  >> CITIZEN.  >> ON OVERHEAD PLEASE SO THAT  EVERYBODY CAN SEE WHAT I'M  TALKING ABOUT. OUT THE MORE  REMOTE AREAS OF THE CITY.  CITIZENS ARE RESPONSIBLE TO  CLEAN UP ILLEGAL DUMPING.  CITIZENS ARE RESPONSIBLE WITH  THE HELP OF THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT TO REMOVE CITIZENS  ARE RESPONSIBLE IF SOMEBODY  GETS HURT ON THEIR PROPERTY.  THEY CAN BE SUED. THE TV SAYS  A PRIME EXAMPLE. WE'VE ALL  SEEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT  PICTURES WE'VE ALL HAD THESE  CONVERSATIONS. IT CAN BE VERY  COSTLY TO THOSE PROPERTY  OWNERS TO REMOVE ALL THAT  DEBRIS. SO A CITIZEN. PAID TO  HAVE. THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO  REMOVE THE CRAFT THAT WAS ON  HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE AGAIN  CITED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT.  SOME OF THE PICTURES THE MIGHT  HELP.  >> I I I WE GET OVERHEAD  TURNOUT PLACE.  >> SO HE HAD THAT REMOVED IN  THIS ISN'T JUST ONE PERSON  I'VE HEARD THIS FROM MANY AS  I'M SURE EACH OF YOU HAVE.  >> SO HE HAD IT REMOVED.  EVERYTHING WAS ALL BISON  CLEANED UP. GOT CITED A FEW  MONTHS LATER. GO THROUGH THE  PROCESS THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS  TO REMOVE THE CROP FROM OTHER  PEOPLE WITH THEIR ILLEGAL  DUMPING. SO PUT UP THE  TRANSLUCENT FENCE AND AT SOME  POINT YOU'LL SEE WHAT THE  TRANSLUCENT DEFENSE LOOKS  LIKE.  >> IT NEEDS AND THEN PLAYS TO  KEEP OUT. THE ILLEGAL  ACTIVITIES HIS PROPERTY.  BECAUSE OFFENSE IS CONSIDERED  AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND  ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE NOT  PERMITTED ON UNIMPROVED THEY  COULD PROPERTY. HE WAS TOLD HE  HAS TO TAKE OFFENSE NOW. BUT  SHE HAS NO OTHER WAY. OF BEING  ABLE TO PROTECT HIS PROPERTY  WHICH IS HIS POCKET. HIS  WALLET. IS FINANCIAL OUTPUT.  EVERY SINGLE TIME. SO HE  APPEALED TO ME I MET WITH  STAFF TO SEE WHAT HE COULD DO.  HE WENT BEFORE THE HEARING  MAGISTRATE, JUST SO WEEK OR SO  AGO AND THE HEARING MAGISTRATE  GAVE HIM A 30 DAY. EXTENSION.  BECAUSE AND THIS IS WHERE I  WAS PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA.  THE 30 DAY EXTENSION WOULD  FIND OUT IF THERE'S AN  APPETITE TO CHANGE THE CODE TO  ALLOW THE FENCE ON UNIMPROVED  PROPERTY. THAT'S A PICTURE AT  THE TOP OF THE FENCE THAT HE  PUT UP. BY PUTTING UP THIS  FENCE, HE ALSO THEN CLAIM  CLEANED UP HIS PROPERTY. PUT  CAMERAS UP SO THAT IF SOMEBODY  IS TRESPASSING HE CAN NOW  HOPEFULLY HELP. POLICE TO  IDENTIFY. THESE ARE JUST TOO.  THE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF  PICTURES AND I HAVE THERE'S  SOME PICTURES OF NEEDLES ON  HIS PROPERTY THAT HE HAD TO  REMOVE. THIS BIG ONE IS SO  THERE'S THE PICTURE OF THE  NEEDLE THIS BIG ONE IS THE ONE  THAT COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS  TO HAVE HIM REMOVED. SO. WE  TALK ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS. WE  TALK ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR  PEOPLE TO PROTECT THEIR  PROPERTY. BUT UNFORTUNATELY,  THIS IS A TO THOSE MORE REMOTE  AREAS AND I KNOW YOU HAVE  TRIED TO FIX OUR CODE TO GIVE  THEM SOME KIND OF RELIEF. BUT  UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT  HAPPENING. MEANWHILE, THOSE  PROPERTY OWNERS ARE STOP  SOMEBODY GET HURT THEY CAN GET  TO. YEAH ALL THOSE THOUSANDS  OF DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP THEIR  PROPERTY. ALSO REMOVING  SQUATTERS SO I WANTED TO HAVE  THIS CONVERSATION. STAFF  DECIDED THAT. NOW IS THE  PERFECT TIME TO INCORPORATED  IN THE CO. I REALLY THOUGHT  THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE SOME  KIND OF A LEGAL OPINION  BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN  ONLY DO IT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF  THE CITY OR IF WE IF IT  BECOMES CITYWIDE THIS IS PART  OF THE CONVERSATION I WANTED  TO HAVE. AND NOW WE ARE GOING  TO HAVE IT. YEAH OKAY. THANK  YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND  TO CLARIFY.  >> WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE  GOING TO ABLE TO HAVE THIS  WORKSHOP WHEN WE HAD THAT  CONVERSATION SO THAT'S THAT'S  WHY. WE'VE WE FOUND THAT WE  FOUND THAT WOULD ENABLE TO  HAVE BUT I ALSO THOUGHT CITY  ATTORNEY HAD TO REVIEW IT TO  MAKE SURE WE CAN SPECIFICALLY  FIGURE OUT ONLY CERTAIN AREAS  OF THE CITY FIRST A CITYWIDE  AND THAT'S PART OF THE THINGS  WE MAY IF IT IF IT'S THAT CAN  SWELL OF THE COMMISSION THAT  WE EXPLORE THEN WE LIKELY  WOULD GO TO THE CITY  COMMISSION FOR LEGAL.  >> REVIEW WHICH MAY MEAN THAT  IT'S NOT INCORPORATED IN THE  ULDC BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD  BE A GOOD TIME TO HAVE THIS  INITIAL CONVERSATION AND AT  THE END OF THE DAY.  >> I NEED SOME TYPE OF I NEED  SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION THAT  THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO  TAKE UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT  DO IT BY MOTION LIKE WE COULD  HAVE AT AT A MEETING, BUT THIS  CITIZEN HAS A 30 DAY STAY AND  IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE, WE  CAN PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA  FOR NEXT TUESDAY.  >> AND MAYOR  >> SO SO THERE'S THERE'S ONE  PATH OF OF RECOURSE THAT'S A  POSSIBILITY FOR THESE TYPES OF  PROPERTY YOU MIGHT HAVE  SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON THEIR  PROPERTY AND WOULD BE TO APPLY  FOR A VARIANCE. THEY DO HAVE  SOME SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES  SURROUNDING THEIR PROPERTY  WITHOUT HAVING MORE  INFORMATION REALLY DRILLING  DOWN CRITERIA TO SEE IF THEY  WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA FOR  VARIANCE I CAN'T WHETHER WE  WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT  REQUEST OR NOT, BUT THAT'S YOU  KNOW ALWAYS YOUR FIRST LINE OF  ATTACK HIM AS FAR DUE PROCESS  CONCERNED. ARE NOT SURE IF  THIS WAS COMMISSIONER MONTH  HOUSE MEETING WITH STAFF OF  ANY TIME WE'RE ALLOWING. A  PARTICULAR TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT  ALL THE WAY FOR ONE GEOGRAPHIC  LOCATION OF THE CITY AND NOT  ANOTHER.  >> BASING SOMETHING ON THAT  SPARKS IS RIGHT BECAUSE THEN  WE CAN ENSURE EQUAL PROTECTION  UNDER THE LAW AND HE WANTS  HE'S GOT AN R US UP TO  PROPERTY AND THE HAVE CERTAIN  RESTRICTIONS WHEREAS  COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS ALLOWED  TO HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF THE  RESTRUCTURES THAT'S A PORTABLE  BUT IF WE ARE TARGETING  GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS ALONE  WITHOUT REGARD TO ZONING. WE  MIGHT RUN INTO SOME EQUAL  PROTECTION ISSUES UNDER THE  LAW WHICH IS WHY THE  COMMENTARY IF WE MIGHT NEED  LEGAL WORK YOU CANNOT. NOW IF  THE COMMISSION DIRECTION IS TO  ALLOW AND ALL VACANT  PROPERTIES IN THE CITY LIMITS.  NOW WE CAN INCORPORATE WE  DON'T HAVE AN EQUAL PROTECTION  QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO BE  RAISED RUN BY THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I JUST WANT  HAVE THAT FOR  >> THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT  I HAD A FLING WAS WHAT'S GOING  TO BE INVOLVED WOULD NOT LIKE  SPOT ZONING ALMOST LIKE YOU  SAID HILLARY CAN HAVE A YOU  BASED ON SOUND AND A START  RIGHT. IT'S IT'S DEFENSIBLE.  >> IF YOU SAY ONLY AND THE  NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE  REGARDLESS OF ZONING DISTRICT.  AND NOT AND THE SOUTHWEST  PORTION THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE  WE HAVE THE. LEVEL DISCOMFORT.  >> LEADING US TO WE WANT A  LEGAL OPINION BEFORE WE AND  OUR PRIDE IN ME. PROVISION  >> I'M NOT SURE IF THIS  PERSON'S PROPERTY IS IN THE  AGGIES STATES COURT IN  ACTIVITY CENTER. THE ACTIVITY  CENTER. SO. APPROACH COULD  >> ON ALL VACANT PROPERTY,  APPROACH COULD POTENTIALLY  FENCES. VACANT PROPERTY AND  NURSE. VOTE. I JUST. TAKING  OUT PARTICULAR GEOGRAPHIC AREA  MIGHT BE RICK WHITE WOULD.  LET'S TOSS AND THE DIRECTION  THAT WE NEED LETHAL WEAPON.  >> AND I DON'T QUESTION ABOUT  THE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WELL  WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CORRECT.  OBVIOUSLY THAT IT WOULD HAVE  TO APPLY. OVERALL AND NOT JUST  SPECIFICALLY FOR AN IMPROVED  PROPERTIES THAT. SO FALL UNDER  WHAT WE CURRENTLY ALLOW FOR  FENCES BECAUSE I'M NOT A FAN  OF THOSE WHAT I CALL LIKE  POTENTIAL ARE. YOU KNOW, WHILE  KIND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT  THIS FENCE THAT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL JOE DOES.  >> THANK ZACH FUNDS MAKE  MISSION YOU COULD YOU COULD  PUT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON  IT FOR VACANT POINT OUT  THOUGH. OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY  PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO  CONSIDER PROPERTY.  >> AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO WE  WILL NOT ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM  ILLEGAL DUMPING WE WILL SIMPLY  PUSH IT TO OTHER AREAS.  >> SO IT MAY SOLVE THE PROBLEM  FOR. THIS ONE PROPERTY OWNER.  AND THEN EXACERBATE THE  PROBLEM DOWN THE STREET FOR  ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER.  PROPERTY OWNERS CURRENTLY CAN  PUT TRESPASSING SIGNS THEY CAN  THAT CAMERON'S TO THEIR  PROPERTIES. AND AND AND SEEING  IS IS CERTAINLY A SOLUTION  WITH THE COMMISSION. IT ADOPT.  BUT I THINK. WE WANT TO ENSURE  THAT WE DON'T SET A FALSE  EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE GOING  TO ELIMINATE PROBLEM WE WILL  SIMPLY SHIP TO OTHER NON KUNST  AREAS.  >> WE WANT TO CALL IT THE COME  UP.  >> OR FOR THE DISCUSSION ON  AGENDA ITEM I.  >> I DON'T KNOW BASED ON  STAFF'S. COMMENTS THAT  SOMETHING CAN BE INCORPORATED  IN THIS ULDC REWRITE.  >> SO WHAT WE COULD  INCORPORATE IS IF THE  COMMISSION FOR INSTANCE WERE  TO SIGN WE WANT TO ALLOW DON'T  ANY VACANT PROPERTY. WE COULD  INCORPORATE THAT INTO THIS  REWRITE WE'VE GOT TIME TO  ♪ DO THAT. IF THE COMMISSION  WANTED TO DO IT BY ZONING  DISTRICT  ♪ WE COULD. RIGHT. LOOK AT LURIE  WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT THAT  WAY AS WELL.  >> DOING IT IN ONLY IN BY  GEOGRAPHIC AREA. IS WHERE WE  WANT TO RUN IT AND AND LET ME  TACK ON TO THE BOT.  >> SO.  >> ACTIVITIES CENTER'S EACH  ACTIVITY CENTER IS.  >> TECHNICALLY IT'S OWN ZONING  DISTRICT. BUT THEY ARE SO  SIMILAR AND MADE SURE AND  DESCRIBE THIS UNDER. A  COMPREHENSIVE AND ALMOST AS IF  THERE, YOU KNOW ONE TYPE OF.  ASIAN. SO I GET I GET HERE TOO  I GOT HERE TOO IF. ITS ALL  THEY CAN PROPERTIES. ALL  VACANT PROPERTIES AND  ACTIVITIES CENTER'S. BUT ONCE  WE START PICKING AND CHOOSING  ONLY CERTAIN ACTIVITIES I  WOULD STILL WANT TO HAVE.  >> A LEGAL REVIEW TO ENSURE.  SO.  >> ALL THEY CAN PROPERTIES OR  ALL ACTIVITY CENTERS. IF  THAT'S. THE PLACE AND  PROBLEMATIC. I DON'T KNOW IF  THERE'S OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS  WHERE THIS IS A PROBLEM. IF  WE'RE JUST GOING TESTIFY ONLY  68 HAND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE  LEGAL REVIEW.  >> IF OR A CONSENSUS TO DO IT  EITHER IN ALL. ON ALL BIGGEST  PROPERTY CITYWIDE. THEY GET  PROPERTIES IN ACTIVITY  CENTERS. WE COULD INCORPORATE  THAT INTO THIS ULDC REWRITE.  YES, I DIRECTLY RELATED  QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT.  >> THEY PROPERTIES BUT THEN  SPECIFY FENCE TYPES, YES. YES,  WE CAN DO THAT IN THIS REWRITE  AND OUT. YES. I WOULD I SAID  YES I WOULD START THERE. YEAH.  AND SEE IF THAT HELPS ADDRESS  SOME OF THE ISSUES. YOU KNOW,  IT'S A TOUGH BALANCE BECAUSE  ON THE ONE HAND JUST BECAUSE A  PROPERTY OWNER IS ABSENTEE.  NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR  THAT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW JUST  BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT HERE  DOESN'T MEAN IT'S YOU KNOW THE  WILD WILD WEST ON THEIR  PROPERTIES BUT BUT IN THIS  PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, THE  PROPERTY OWNER HAS REALLY  TRIED TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE AND  THE FENCE WAS THE LAST IN SO  SO SOMEHOW AND I KNOW WE'RE  CONSTRAINED. MY SENSE IS IF WE  DID IT FOR ALL VACANT  PROPERTIES CITYWIDE AND THEN  SPECIFIED TYPES.  >> THIS THIS IF YOU WERE GOING  I JUST KNOW A LOT OKAY.  >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO DESCRIBE  THIS FENCE FOR REGULATORY  PURPOSES I WOULD DESCRIBE IT  AS. WANT TO PUT THE PICTURE  BACK UP MAYBE.  ♪ ♪ THAT THAT WAS. THAT MORNING.  >> ALMOST HAD IT WE GET THE  PICTURE THEY'RE HAVING SOME  TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES SO THAT  THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT. THIS  WITH THIS WOULD BE A A FENCE  MADE OF NATURAL MATERIALS.  THAT CAN BE SEEN THROUGH. WITH  THE EXCEPTION OF THE GATES  WHICH CAN BE NON NATURAL  MATERIALS SO. THE NATURAL  MATERIAL JUST KIND OF HELPS IT  BLEND INTO THE AND THAT WAY WE  DON'T HAVE CHAIN-LINK OUT  THERE IT. CHAINLINK GETS. YET  THE TEAM WINK HAS A TENDENCY  TO NOT LOOK GREAT BUT THE  GATES COULD BE EITHER NATURAL  MATERIALS NOT A NATURAL  MATERIALS.  >> I I I THINK THAT THAT'S A  REALLY GOOD DIRECTION TO GO.  >> I. DON'T KNOW.  >> COULD YOU SUGGEST CITYWIDE  OR JUSTIN THAT HE CITY Y YEAH,  I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO HELP A  LOT OF THE LARGER PROPERTIES  THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE  COMBINED THEM, BUT THEY DON'T  KNOW MAN. YOU KNOW IF SOMEBODY  IS GOING TO GO THROUGH THE  EXPENSE OF SAYING THIS IS A  LAST RESORT ON PUTTING UP A  FENCE BECAUSE I'M SICK AND  TIRED OF. NOW FOR REMOVING  OTHER PEOPLE'S GARBAGE. I  THINK THIS IS GREAT WAY AND  THEN GIVING THESE ABSENT OR  PRESIDENT VACANT PROPERTY  OWNERS A TOOL TO BE ABLE TO  PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE  RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAPPEN. I  SUSPECT WORLD VIOLENT  AGREEMENT WITH YOU  COMMISSIONER MOTEL DO YOU WANT  TO I WILL TRY A CONSENSUS. AND  IF WE NEED TO MASSAGE IT JUST  LET ME SEE ABOUT GETTING A  CONSENSUS. TO HAVE. STAFF  INCLUDED IN THE ULDC REWRITE  IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION.  THE ABILITY FOR IMPROVED.  PROPERTY. TO ALLOW A FENCE. OF  NATURAL MATERIALS. EXCEPT FOR  THE GATE. TO BE 9 NEXT NATURAL  MATERIAL. CITYWIDE. YEAR THAT  BACK MAKE SURE WE KNOW THAT.  >> CAN USE OUR STANDARDS THAT  WE HAVE CURRENTLY FOR FENCES  FOR AND HEIGHTENED OKAY. INTO  WANT WE WERE THE BETTER. STAFF  INCLUDED IN THE ULDC REWRITE  AND THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION,  THE ABILITY FOR AN IMPROVED  PROPERTY TO ALLOW FANS OF  NATURAL MATERIALS EXCEPT FOR  THE GATES, THE MATERIAL  CITYWIDE. OKAY THAT WAS WEIRD  AND ALL RIGHT THAT WE TELL  DOING YOUR YES ABSOLUTELY.  >> I MEAN, YES ELSA YES, I  MEAN, YES BUT I DO HAVE MAKE A  COMMENT COULDN'T HELP BUT SAY  THAT ALL THE UNDERBRUSH WAS  CLEARED SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE  WITH.  >> ASKED YOU TO DO IT ALL BY  HAND, YEAH, BUT THAT. I CAN  SEE WHY SO MANY THOUGHT THIS  IS A PERFECT DUMPING GROUND  KNOW IT WAS IT THIS WAY BEFORE  HE JUST THOSE LIKE THERE'S  UNDERBRUSH THERE AT ALL AS I  KNOW TYPICALLY THE AND IMPROVE  LOCKS WITH I SAY YOU CAN'T  EVEN WALK IN AND REQUIRE YES.  VICE MAYOR.  >> I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE  THAT THE CITY WOULD RESTRICT  ANY PROPERTY OWNERS FROM  PUTTING A FENCE THEIR OWN  PROPERTY. ESPECIALLY  UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. SO  ABSOLUTELY YES ON THIS RICH.  >> QUESTION JUST ON THE  WORDING HAVE MUCH RATHER HAVE  THAT INCLUDE TRANSLUCENT  BECAUSE IF YOU USE MATERIALS  THAT COULD BE WOULD PICK IT'S  IT COULD STILL BE.  >> YOU KNOW LIKE THE FENCING  AND THEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP THE  STOP HATE SENSE AND YOU MAY  NOT SEE THE ACTIVITIES GOING  ON BEHIND IT LET'S SAY A  HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL DID JUMP  THE FENCE AND STARTED GOLDEN  CAMP THERE SO I I TRANSLUCENT.  NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THERE.  >> OKAY, WE COULD ADD THE WORD  TRANSLUCENT KNOW THOSE THAT  OFFER ALREADY APPROVED AND  SAID YES WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE  TO ADDING THE WORD TRANSLUCENT  THANK YOU I HAD IT RIGHT DOWN  I DIDN'T READ IT I. YES, YES.  >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT YES END  OF THE WORD TRANSLUCENT  JACKSON CENSUS, OKAY.  >> AND I'M A YES ON THAT  >> THANK YOU BREAK ONE 21  FERRY AROUND INCLUDING ONLY  ABOUT A HALF HOUR, SOMETHING  QUICKLY NEWARK COME BACK AND  TRY WRAP IT UP BECAUSE I DO  HAVE SOME LOCATION 30 MUCH  WRAP UP I'D BE INCLINED TO  JUST PUSH THROUGH AND GET IT  EXCUSE MYSELF FROM THE MEETING  I HAVE ASK I THINK EVERYBODY  NEEDS A BREAK AND GET  SOMETHING IN THEIR BELLIES SO  WE CAN FUNCTION SAID GETTING  HANGRY OKAY ONE 31 HOW ABOUT  TO INTO A AND I.  >> MICHAEL FOR THE DAYS GET AS  MUCH WORK AS THAT WAS ASSIGNED  TO DONE AS POSSIBLE. AND  SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS AND  OTHER TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF  FIRST RESPONSE CALLS THAT COME  IN MY FAVORITE PART IS THE  UNIQUENESS NOT KNOWING WHAT  I'M GOING TO BE FACED WITH  EVERY DAY. IT COULD BE  DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT MUNDANE IN  ANY WAY AND IT'S EXCITING WHEN  YOU GET A CALL AND YOU'RE  YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY YOU DON'T  KNOW WHAT IT IS AND YOU YOU  HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND THE  KNOW-HOW AND THE BACKING TO  FACE WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO  BE.  >> SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN  FACING THESE CALLS AND I THINK  THAT'S WHAT DIFFERENT PART.  ♪ >> AND I PROMISE ALWAYS  INTERESTED IN PORT. HERE  TODAY, WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT.  >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY  SET OUT WHAT YOU THINK PLACE  OUT WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE  WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK  ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN  THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE  IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING  TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S  NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES  CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  GOOD QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE  MORE BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE  1658 CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S  LINKED TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT  DIVIDED BY 27 IS ONE CUBIC ANY  QUESTIONS OF COURSE, LET'S NOT  GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET TO  STORM AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY  THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY  COSTS AND OTHER SO WE WILL  HAVE A BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE  COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT  WILL PRIORITIZE BASED AND THE  OTHER RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS  THE CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY  ON THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS  MIGHT BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT  BE DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE  TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL  BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO  CLEAR THE ROADS  ♪ ANY HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR  VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE. JUST KEEP  THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL  AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS,  WE ARE COMING. WE ARE VERY  IMPORTANT TO US TO CARE ABOUT  OUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR SAFETY  BUT  ♪ IT MAY JUST ALLOWED FOR US TO  GET TO THE SCENE ON LIST OF  THE  >> I'M STACEY LOS. YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY THERE WATER AND  THEY ARE GOING STORM SURGE AND  FLOODING NEXT OR SO STORM  SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED  WINDS ARE CONSTANTLY GOING  OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME  OVER THE GOAL PUSHING WATER UP  ONTO NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT  OF FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, GULF AND THEN THE  WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO I  COULD CAUSE WATER TO BACK THAT  ALONG WITH A LOT OF RAIN THAT  COMES FROM ALSO CAUSED  INCREASE OF WATER FLOODING  INTO  ♪ THE RIVER AND INTO OUR WATER  MANAGEMENT CAUSING FLOODING  WELL. PUBLIC WORKS IS A LOT OF  WORK BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE  SURE THAT OUR WATER LEVELS  POSSIBLE SO WE AND WANT JUST  STORM SURGE FLOODING IN OUR  WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU WANT  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION  ♪ ON THAT WE HAVE A GREAT THAT A  LOT FOLKS  >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL ON THE AQUATICS  MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS  RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE  HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT  AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO  EVERYONE ABOUT A BLOW FOR LIFE  PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT  NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL  DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE  OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE  UNDER THE AGE OF SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES INTO TROUBLE  SITUATION. THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO WANT TO  GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH  ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED  THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE  AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY  PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL  THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA RIVERS  PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE  PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH  WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE  SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS  PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE CAN  CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH  THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S  A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN  THEY GRADUATE IS ONE OF THE  FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS  THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND  THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL  OVER ON THE BACK AND ACTUALLY  BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND  THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST  AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM  THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR  LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT  WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE  KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON  AND AROUND THE WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH MARIO  VENDITTI MARIO TELL PEOPLE  HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS  JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE 5 YES 5  YEARS EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SO  MARIO TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT  ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE PLAN  IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID WASTE  THE CITY I GO OUT AND AGREE  THE NEW RESIDENTS TONIGHT,  EDUCATE THEM ON RECYCLE  EXCELLENT SOUNDS INTERESTING  VERY AREA WHEN HE FOUND INSIDE  THE RECYCLING BINS SHOULDN'T  BE THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL  THE PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE MOST  COMMON THING I FIND FRANCIS  PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER FOR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM AND MISSION  DECIDEDLY COUNTRY THAT'S RIGHT  INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS.  AND THEY SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN  BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR  TOSS IN THE TRASH OR DO SEE A  LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE THE  CONTAINERS OF I COME ACROSS A  LOT DON'T WANT TO DO THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET  EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S  IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS  SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE  PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME  AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR  BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR  HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE  DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND  THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T  WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE  AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE  THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK  ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU  MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF  TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO  YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO  THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED  RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO  ♪ 97 POINT.  >> I'M STACEY LOS SALE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN PLUG DOWNS AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS. SO FLOOD  ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL  FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO  DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD  INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A  MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE  EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON  STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES  FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE  CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH BY YOUR  HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT  WATER SHOULD  ♪ BE IN THAT SWELL UP TO 72  HOURS AFTER THE STORM. THAT  ALLOWS THE WATER BUILT TO GET  THE STUFF CAME OUT FOR ROOM  AND ON THE ROAD OUT OF THE  WATER SO THAT WHEN REACHES THE  ♪ HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS IT ALSO PROVIDES  OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN  WATERS SO THAT THE WATER  DOESN'T GO SO FAST THAT THEIR  ROADS. ROADWAYS OR ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN IT'S ONLY YOU  KNOW UP TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> MINE IN THE VAN PULL IT  FROM PRODUCT FACILITY MANAGER  WITH THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED FROM  A VALUATION SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  DOING SOMETHING YOU ATION IS  EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S  CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS.  SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR  CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND  WILL GO THROUGH SERIES OF  DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO  INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW  US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU  SHOW US BACK ALL SHOWS  ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT  STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE  DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE  WHERE YOUR CHILD TEST TO  BEFORE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE  FOR THEM AT THAT POINT WHAT WE  ASSESS THAT THAT WILL LET YOU  KNOW AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND  SIGN YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT  APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE  SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE  TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T  HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY IN A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCED FROM  EVALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE  YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LASALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT EVERYBODY IN  YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND  KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS  AND YOU WANT TO ALSO SHARE IT  WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR  YOUR NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY  KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD  OF TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD  OF YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU  AFTER A DISASTER FOR YOUR  EVACUATION YOU SHOULD HAVE  MULTIPLE ROUTES TO GET TO  LOCATION. YOU'RE PLANNING TO  GO TO JUST BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS  TRAFFIC ON 75 MIGHT BE  GRIDLOCKED THERE COULD BE SOME  VERY GOOD BACK ROADS TO GET TO  WHERE YOU'RE GOING THAT COULD  GET YOU THERE MORE QUICKLY  WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN TRAFFIC  WHEN YOU'RE MAKING EVACUATION  PLAN. WE USUALLY TELL YOU 4  DIFFERENT THINGS YOU SHOULD  STAY HOME IF YOU ARE NOT IN  HIS OWN THAT'S BEING EVACUATED  AND IF YOUR HOME IS BUILT TO  WITHSTAND THE FORECASTED STORM  IF YOU CAN STAY HOME. AND YOU  EVACUATE YOUR NEXT OPTION  SHOULD BE TO GO TO A FRIEND  OUR FAMILY'S HOME THAT IS  OUTSIDE OF THE EVACUATION AREA  AND IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND  TO US AND THE STORM OPTION  WOULD BE GO TO A HOTEL.  THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE  THAN I BACK AWAY SHUNS  CENTER'S 4TH OPTION WOULD BE  TO GO TO ONE OF OUR EVACUATION  CENTER SARASOTA COUNTY HAS  FALLEN BACK AWAY SHUNS  CENTER'S.  ♪ THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR  WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT  NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HACHI CREEK ALSO  KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT  ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF IN THE  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG  SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN  EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR  PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING  AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED  BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER  SATURATED SOILS WITH  BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS  THE GROUND IS TOTALLY  SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE  RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE  SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF  ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO  79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS.  >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION  DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH  EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA  HACHI CREEK. THERE ARE 64  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF  WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED  DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED.  WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE  DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE  CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA HACHI  CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS RESTORE  THE FLOW CAPACITY OF THE  WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT NORTH PORT  IS PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE  IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT  RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO  RESPONSE IN RECOVERY MODE  QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE  OUT THERE.  >> OH MY GOSH.  ♪ ♪ >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO  OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR  SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A  GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST  I WAS RECYCLE DRIVER FOR 5  YEARS FOR THE AND THEN I  BECAME THE PLAN A SCHEDULE  AFTER TAKING AN INTEREST  EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON HOW TO  RECYCLE PROPERLY MY POSITION  MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY I START  OUT BY VISITING THE NEW  RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE  GARBAGE AND RECYCLING  CONTAINERS TO BE DELIVERED AND  I WILL GO SEE THEM AND EDUCATE  THEM ON A SOLID WASTE  GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE  FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER  THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE  CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT  CYCLE CONTAINERS MANUALLY. FOR  CONTAMINATION.  ♪ AND THEN I WILL TAKE CALLS  FROM DRIVERS IF THERE'S  ♪ ANY ISSUES WITHOUT REPEAT.  GARBAGE IN RECYCLE AND I WILL  GO EDUCATE THE WHAT I LOVE  MOST ABOUT THE NORFORK IS  THERE ARE RESIDENTS ARE FROM  ALL OVER THE WORLD.  ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID  WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY  COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE  THEM  ♪ ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S  ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO  RECYCLE PROPERLY.  >> BELIEVE THAT THE NATURAL  RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WILL BE  INTEGRAL PART FOR THE CITY'S  GROWTH IS WE WANT TO ACHIEVE A  MORE BALANCED APPROACH OF  DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE WHAT  WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS SEE  SENSIBLE DEVELOPMENT  SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.  >> AND DEVELOPMENT THAT IN  LYON WAIVES WHAT WE DO HAVE  ALREADY HAVE HASTENED WE WANT  TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN  OF NATURAL RESOURCES, SO THAT  IS STILL PLACE POLL ON EXTRA  ZAW ALL MIKE WRITING BAD  SADDLE THE OF THE SPECIES THAT  AND SURVIVED IT ALL HABITAT  THAT ROLE SYSTEMS. BIG PART  OF.  >> THE WAYS YOU CALL SYSTEMS  FUNCTION IMPORTANT PARTS FOR  OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LIST THE  SPECIES THEY STABILIZE THE  SOIL THEY PROVIDE. SO MANY  DIFFERENT BENEFITS, INCLUDING  SHADE LIMITING THE HEAT ISLAND  EFFECTS WITHIN OUR CITY  ♪ PROVIDING HABITAT PROVIDING  SHELTER FOR THE SPECIES. AND  JUST TO ALSO FOR OUR IS THAT  HE CAN JOIN MINCE WELL AS AN A  LOT OF WHAT I DO IS.  >> MAKING SURE THAT  DEVELOPMENT CONFORMS TO THE  TREE PROTECTION CODE SO ONE  THING WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE  SINCE APRIL OF 2022. IS A TREE  PROTECTION CODE WHICH IS QUITE  ROBUST AND THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY  COMMISSION AND THE CITY ALSO A  LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT  AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO  HAVE THE TREE PROTECTION CODE  SO.  >> WHAT I DO A LOT OF WHAT I  DO IS MAKING SURE THAT  DEVELOPMENT IN THE RESIDENTIAL  OR COMMERCIAL CONFORMS TO THAT  CODE WE ALL SUCH A PASSIONATE  TAME WE COME FROM.  >> FACT I THINK BETWEEN US WE  HAVE A 100 DAYS OF EXPERIENCE  WE ARE EVERY RIGHT WING TO GO  OUT AND YOU KNOW WE KNOW OUR  IS CUT OUT, WITH A HAPPY TO  ♪ TAKE THE CHALLENGE TO DIVISION  COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.  >> AND LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY  WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE GREAT  STRIDES AND PROTECTING WHAT WE  HAVE HERE AND FINDING THAT  BALANCE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND  ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, I'M  EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS  TEAM REALLY SEEKING AND  LOOKING FORWARD TO THE  OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE  ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.  ♪ >> REX HAS A FULL CLASS TRX TO  CAMP IS A NEW CLASS FOR ME,  ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN USING TRS  FOR MANY YEARS WITH PERSONAL  TRAINING THAT I DO OR IN OTHER  STYLES CLASSES THAT I'VE DONE.  BUT AN ACTUAL FOCUS WITH JUST  TRX THIS IS A NEW CLASSROOM. I  LOVE THE CAMARADERIE AT TO SAY  WITH ALL THE PARTICIPANTS. I  THINK WE HAVE A LOT  ♪ OF FUN. FIRST OF ALL EVERYONE  GETS TO THE MANS THAT YEAR  EXPENSE OF BEING THAT WE HAVE  5 STATIONS SO WE HAVE OVERFLOW  OR MORE THAN 5 PEOPLE. PART OF  THE PEOPLE ON THE BAND THE  OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING FOR  WORK AND THEN WE'LL SWITCH SO  EVERYBODY GETS AN OPPORTUNITY  TO BE AN ALL STATIONS JUST  COME HAVE FUN WITH IT MAKING  YOUR OWN IT'S NOT SCARY. IT  DOESN'T HAVE TO BE  INTIMIDATING AT ALL YOU'RE  USING YOUR BODY WEIGHT USING  THE ANGLES THAT YOU CHOOSE TO  USE ON THE MAN'S AND IT JUST  VARIES WITH HOW YOU'RE  COMFORTABLE AND HOW YOU'RE  FEELING WHEN YOU'RE HERE.  >> STARTED CHARLOTTE COUNTY  UTILITIES AS A METER READER IN  2004. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE  I GOT MY FOOT IN THE DOOR AND  WANT REACH A POINT MY LIFE OR  THINGS ARE MORE STABLE AND I  DECIDED TO LEAVE CHARLOTTE  COUNTY UTILITIES. AND I WENT  AND GOT MY INTERNS LICENSE  THOSE VERY EXCITING DOING THAT  FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME,  BUT AFTER A WHILE I STARTED  THINKING ABOUT THE UTILITY. IT  WAS IN MY HEART AT THIS POINT  I HAD ALMOST 12 JUST 2 MONTHS,  SHY OF 12 YEARS AND AND SO I  REALIZED DURING THAT TIME. MY  HEART WAS IN UTILITIES AND SO  I STARTED LOOKING AROUND AGAIN  I THINK OPENING HERE TO BE  SEEING IN THE TECH SO I  APPLIED AND I GOT IN TYPICALLY  I GET HERE AT 7 IN THE  MORNING. I GET MY LIST YOU  KNOW IF I CAN GET TO THIS THIS  IS WHAT I NEED TO DO AND.  >> I GET IN MY TRUCK IF I NEED  ANY SUPPLIES PARTS TOOLS BASED  OFF OF THE WORK I WAS GIVEN  THAT MORNING OUT PICK THAT UP  HERE AT OUR SHOP AND THEN I  HEAD OUT IN THEM. MICHAEL FOR  THE DAYS GET AS MUCH WORK AS  THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO DONE AS  POSSIBLE. AND SOMETIMES THAT  HAPPENS AND OTHER TIMES  THERE'S A LOT OF FIRST  RESPONSE CALLS THAT COME IN MY  FAVORITE PART IS THE  UNIQUENESS NOT KNOWING WHAT  I'M GOING TO BE FACED WITH  EVERY DAY. IT COULD BE  DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT MUNDANE IN  ANY WAY.  >> AND IT'S EXCITING WHEN YOU  GET A CALL AND YOU'RE YOU'RE  ON YOUR WAY YOU DON'T KNOW  WHAT IT IS AND YOU YOU HAVE  THE EXPERIENCE AND THE  KNOW-HOW AND THE BACKING TO  FACE WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE  SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN  FACING THESE CALLS AND I THINK  THAT'S WHAT DIFFERENT PART.  >> AND I PROMISE ALWAYS  INTERESTED IN PORT. HERE  TODAY, WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT.  >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY  SET OUT WHAT YOU THINK PLACE  OUT WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE  WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK  ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN  THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE  IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING  TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S  NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES  CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  GOOD QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE  MORE BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE  1658 CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S  LINKED TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT  DIVIDED BY 27 IS ONE CUBIC ANY  QUESTIONS OF COURSE, LET'S NOT  GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET TO  STORM AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY  THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY  COSTS AND OTHER SO WE WILL  HAVE A BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE  COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT  WILL PRIORITIZE BASE ON THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS  MIGHT BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT  BE DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE  TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL  BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO  CLEAR THE ROADS  ♪ ANY HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR  VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE.  ♪ >> JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN  YOU CALL AFTER THIS.  >> AND WE ARE IT'S 2 '05 AND  BACK TO OUR CITY COMMISSION  WORKSHOP JUST CHAPTERS ONE TO  6 DO I HAVE GRAFTON SAYS OKAY  OF THE ULDC.  >> BEFORE  >> I KNOW COMMISSIONER JEALOUS  THAT SHE HAS OTHER STAFF DOES  OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR  MORNING DISCUSSION THAT WE  DIDN'T ADDRESS YET FOR  CONSENSUS, I JUST WANT TO BE  SURE BEFORE CLOSE OUR TRAIN OF  SAW FROM THIS MORNING AS OR  ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE  SOMETHING FROM US. THAT WE'RE  ALL SET WITH WHATEVER YOU  PRESENTED THIS MORNING THANK  YOU.  >> SO THEN I'M LOOKING TO SEE  IF WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES TO  ADDRESS AND THINGS TO TALK  ABOUT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  YEAH.  >> SO.  >> PART OF THE CHANGES THAT  WERE THE GENERAL WAS HOURS OF  OPERATION. THERE IS IN OUR  EXISTING HOURS OF OPERATION  IT'S IN ULDC 53 1.79.  >> THAT SAYS THAT BETWEEN  05:00AM AND 10:00PM. THIS IS  VERY SIGNIFICANT FOR THESE.  >> COMMERCIAL I'M SORRY THESE  SEE TEEN CORRIDORS AND ALSO  THE CORRIDOR ITSELF TO ENSURE  THAT THERE IS SOME KIND OF  HOURS OF OPERATION BECAUSE  THESE ARE GOING TO BE IN CLOSE  PROXIMITY TO BE INTO WAS  EVENTUALLY PROPERTIES. AND I  CAN ATTEST TO HOW LOUD IT IS  WHEN TRASH GETS PICKED UP IT  LIKE. I KNOW IS WHAT TIME. I  CAN ATTEST IF YOU'RE HAVING AN  OUTSIDE BAR OR SOME KIND OF A  PATIO HOW NOISE CARRIES IF  IT'S 12:01AM I DO KNOW WE HAVE  A NOISE ORDINANCE BUT THAT'S  DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M  SEEKING AND I REALLY BELIEVE  WE NEED TO PUT BACK IN THE  HOURS OF OPERATION IN THE  CODE. FOR THE UCT AND ZONING  DISTRICTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO  THROW THAT OUT THERE SEE IF  THERE'S ANY APPETITE FOR  DISCUSSION IF NOT ON ASK FOR  CONSENSUS. IT  >> ALRIGHT HOURS OF OPERATION  AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JOIN  US TOO.  >> NEWLY. DESIGNATED.  >> ZONING AREAS LIKE THEY  CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE  NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL  PORTION OF THE COLD RICE 53  1.79. THE CODE, IT'S BETWEEN  05:00AM AND 10:00PM SO  ANYTHING AFTER BEFORE 05:00AM.  THEY THERE'S NO OPERATIONS  THERE'S NO DELIVERIES. THERE'S  NO 24 HOURS. NOTHING LIKE THAT  AND ALSO IT SAYS NO WAIVER  FROM THIS COLD SHALL BE  PERMITTED. SO THAT IMMEDIATELY  TELLING YOU HEY YOU'RE NOT  ALLOWED TO DO THAT NO 24  HOURS. NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL  IS VERY CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH  THIS SEE TEEN AND THE C O R  ZONING DISTRICTS. COULD I ASK  YOU WHAT AND YOU CAN AN  EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE  PROPERTIES. GENERAL. ONE SET  HAVING BEEN DEVELOPED YET  NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL THAT'S  THE ONLY PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN  DEVELOPED A MAN. AND I'M AWARE  SO THAT WOULD BE IT ONLY. I'M  TALKING ABOUT THE CURRENT THE  THIS DRAFT DOES NOT HAVE HOURS  OF OPERATIONS. SO THERE IS NO  PROTECTION FROM 24 HOURS  OPERATIONS IN THE FUTURE. I'M  ASKING YOU HAVEN'T PUT BACK IN  THE CODE SO THAT THERE ARE  SOME KIND OF PROTECTION AND  THE CODE. TEXT THAT'S BEING  DRAFTED. LIKE YOUR STAFF'S  WHAT. YEAH TO SOME. I'M SORRY  MISTER MCDONALD, I'M STILL  NOT. UNDERSTANDING SO IF  YOU'RE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO A  FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF  COMMERCIAL IMPACT SIMILAR TO A  DOLLAR GENERAL WERE POSSIBLE A  STOP RIGHT THAT'S WHAT I'M  TALKING ABOUT WHERE ARE THOSE  YET TO BE DEVELOPED PARCELS  LOCATED NOW THAT THE WHAT A  MESS OUT THAT'S ON THE  POTENTIAL ZONING BE A WHOLE  PLACE ALL OF THEM.  >> ALL IT IF THEY WERE TO BE  DEVELOPED ON THAT THAT'S WHAT  I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT  YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS  THE AND THE TEEN AND THE SEAL  OR ZONING RIGHT OK, THANK YOU  YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S WHAT I  WAS GETTING A HEALTH PROBLEM.  >> IT'S AFTER YES.  >> I THINK THERE STILL IS ONE  LITTLE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD  ISN'T IT THAT LITTLE RED. DOT  THAT'S SOUTHWORTH THERE'S  DILLON NEIGHBOR.  >> NO THERE'S COMMERCIAL THAT  IS BEING REMEMBERED COMMERCIAL  THEN.  >> IT BRING UP THE SCREEN. I  CAN'T.  >> BUT THE CURRENT WIND UP  OVER AT.  I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVE  THAT LITTLE AREA DESIGNATED AS  COMMERCIAL, BUT THAT'S PART OF  MY NEXT CONVERSATION. AT SOME  POINT IF WE GET THAT FAR OKAY.  >> MY APOLOGIES. THIS MAP IS  NOT OUR CURRENT SHOULDN'T BE  LABELED PART SENDING THE SPOTS  WERE PUT TOGETHER VERY QUICKLY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  UNFORTUNATELY WE WEREN'T ABLE  TO GET THEM TO HER. UNTIL THIS  MORNING WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN  SENT OUT. SO THESE ARE THE  PROPOSED CT AND CORRIDOR  DISTRICTS TO THE LIMITATION  FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND  THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD  COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT  DOES CONSTRAINED BUSINESESS.  >> WE HAVE  >> ISSUES MANY OF THE  RESTRICTIONS ON NEIGHBORHOOD  COMMERCIALS. RAYS TO US BY  DEVELOPERS THEY WERE TOO  RESTRICTIVE AND THEY DIDN'T  THAT BUSINESSES. THE  OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED. THE  OTHER THING TOO THAT'S  IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS WE HAVE  MANY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT  CORRIDOR OR CORRIDOR  TRANSITIONAL THAT ARE  IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO  RESIDENTIAL.  >> THE HOSPITAL ER FOR  EXAMPLE, PUBLIX WALMART ALL OF  THESE LOCATIONS. MANY  LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY TO  ABOUT RESIDENTIAL. IMMEDIATELY  ADJACENT TO THEM AND WE DO  HAVE OUR NOISE IS IN EFFECT  CITYWIDE TO ENSURE THAT IF  ANYONE'S NOT BE MINDFUL OF  THEIR DECIBEL LEVELS THAT  PEOPLE COULD CONTACT THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE  THOSE MEASURED IF SOMEONE  WHO'S OPERATING BUSINESSES  DISTURBING THE PEACE.  >> BUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE  DOES NOT ADDRESS 24 HOUR  OPERATIONS. DOES NOT ADDRESS  THE DELIVERIES OF GOODS I  SEMIS SEMIS WAITING IN THE  PARKING LOT FOR THE OPERATION  TO OPEN DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT  KIND OF STUFF.  >> YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T ADDRESS  IT FOR PUBLIX OR WALMART  EITHER.  >> THAT'S NOT NEXT TO I DON'T  KNOW IF THERE'S ANY FURTHER  DISCUSSION I WILL ATTEMPT IN  MOTION. I'M SORRY A CONSENSUS  IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO WEIGH IN  ON HAVE A CONVERSATION. LIKE  >> DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD WANT  TO DO THIS. YOU. MEAN QUITE  FRANKLY I CAN'T EVEN DEMAND  MEANS TALKING FROM 10 O'CLOCK  AT NIGHT. SO. 5 IN THE MORNING  ROUTE. WHY SHOULD THERE BE ANY  ACTIVITY BETWEEN THOSE HOURS  IN ANY OF THESE TRANSITIONAL  AREAS WHICH ARE CLEARLY. IN  YOU KNOW CLOSE PROXIMITY TO  RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. I MEAN  THE WAL-MART GAS STATIONS,  OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT ON  MAJOR ROADS I GET THAT YOU  KNOW I GET THAT BUT WHY  WOULDN'T WE WANT TO DO THIS  JUST TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE. I  MEAN. THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS  WHERE WE'RE BEING SO IN FACE  CITIZEN THE REZONING WHY NOT  TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO  PUT A LITTLE BIT CONTROL IN  BECAUSE THERE WILL BE EARLY  MORNING DELIVERIES. THERE WILL  BE LATE NIGHT THERE WILL  DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF I  COULD ENVISION ALL SORTS OF  LITTLE PROBLEMS WHILE THERE  MAY BE NOISE ORDINANCES I  DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE EVERETT  PERSONALLY TRIED TO BUT LIKE A  OPPORTUNITY GET ANY  SATISFACTION IS IS SLIM TO  NONE. SO IT I DON'T SEE WHY  WOULD TO THIS YOU KNOW. MEAN  WHAT BUSINESS IS GOING TO  CHOOSE NOT TO COME HERE  BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO  SOMETHING BETWEEN 10 O'CLOCK  AND 9 5 IN THE MORNING. AND IF  SO THEN MAYBE THEY'RE NOT THE  KIND OF BUSINESSES WE WANT IN  THESE CARTER AREAS. THANK YOU  COMMISSION, VICE MAYOR. AND A  HAT.  >> SO COMMISSIONER JENNIFER  SEE IF I CAN TRY CONSENSUS TO.  NOT ALLOW. DELIVERY AND  OPERATION DELIVERY OR  OPERATIONS OF ANY TYPE OF  ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF  10:00PM AND 05:00AM IN THIS  SEAL AND THE C 2 ZONING  DISTRICT.  >> US.  >> THERE'S A YES. LANGDON SAY  YES. TELLS US. COMMISSIONER  EMRICH.  >> YES OKAY, AND THANK YOU  VERY MUCH. THE.  >> WE DON'T LIKE PAGE 59 AND  THROUGHOUT THE MENTIONS THAT  HALF MILE AND ONE AND A HALF  MILE FOR.  >> THAT MAY BE DEVELOPED INTO  THE.  >> C OR C T IDENTITY YOUR  MEDIUM DENSITY CORRIDORS AND I  KNOW THAT STAFF GOING TO WAS  INSTRUCTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR  THE FUTURE LAND USE I'M SORRY  FOR THE TOP PLAN AMENDMENT  THAT WENT TO THE SOME IT'S  ALREADY GONE TO THE STATE WE  HAVE 10 DAYS IT WILL GO TO THE  STATE PROBABLY TOMORROW, OK  HAVE YOU GUYS WORKED ON THAT  CLARITY LANGUAGE BECAUSE  THAT'S ALSO IN THIS ULDC ALL  RIGHT WE'RE  >> COMPLETELY AWARE OF THE  UNIFIED LAND WE KNOW THE  LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED  FOR THE DIRECTION OF THE COMP  PLAN I DO NOT HAVE THAT  CLARIFIED LANGUAGE TO SHARE  WITH YOU TODAY. WE WILL MAKE.  THE LANGUAGE DOES REFLECT THAT  ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THOSE  DESIGNATIONS THE PROPERTIES  NEED TO BE CAN TAKE US TO A  PROPERTY ON THE ARTERIAL WANT  THAT'S THE MESSAGE I HEARD  TUESDAY ADAMS. WE WILL UPDATE  THE LANGUAGE IN THE ULDC  ACCORDINGLY.  >> WELL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING  THAT I JUST THOUGHT MAYBE BY  CHANCE YOU MIGHT FIT AND  AVAILABLE TO SHARE WITH US  THANK YOU.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THE  FOR THEM, YEAH, I HAVE A  COMMENT ON AFTER WE HAD THAT  CONVERSATION ON THE COMP PLAN.  I WENT BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD  YOU'RE RIGHT RIGHT AND IF IF  YOU HEAD OFF ONE DIRECTION. I  DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S A  QUARTER MILE BEFORE YOU HIT A  DRAINAGE DITCH WHICH IS SORT  OF A NATURAL ARIE OR TO THAT  SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND  YET.  >> IT'S A COLLECTOR ROAD SO  HALF MILE.  >> CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT ME.  >> THAT SO S IF IF THEY'RE  GETTING LOT AND TRACKED PLAN  WHICH A DRAINAGE DITCH USUALLY  THOUGHT OF AS A DRAIN AND TRY  TO PLAY THAT WOULD BLOCK  MONTAGUE WOULD BE. SO YOU  WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUMP OVER  THAT AND A SIGN ON THE OTHER  SIDE, NO I I GET THAT.  >> BUT FROM SAN MATEO TO THAT  DRAINAGE DITCH I DOUBT IT'S A  QUARTER MILE. SO IF WE ALLOW A  HALF.  >> MAYO.  >> CONCEIVABLY THAT WHOLE SIDE  OF THE COLLECTOR ROAD. COULD  BECOME COMMERCIAL. AND IF YOU  GO ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS  A LITTLE DEEPER. I DOUBT VERY  MUCH I I DROVE IT IN MY CAR,  BUT MY COWS AND THE GIVES I'LL  I DON'T GET THE FRACTIONS IT'S  MAYBE A HALF A MILE TO THE  NEXT DRAINAGE DITCH ON THE  OTHER SIDE. CONCEIVABLY I'M IN  MY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD IT  COULD BE ALL. NOT COMMERCIAL  SEE TO IT. HARD TO TRANSITION.  AND IN MY MIND THAT THAT WAS  NEVER WHAT I AND ENVISIONED  FOR THE COLLECTOR ROADS I HAD  ENVISIONED FRONTAGE AND YET  YOU COULD ASSEMBLE AS WIDE AND  SHE WANTED FRONTAGE BUT MAYBE  GOING ONE PROPERTY DEEP. IN  THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT  THAT WOULD DO BECAUSE IT IT  WOULD REALLY LIMIT THE SIZE OF  THE BUSINESS IT PRECLUDES A  LOT OF TYPES OF BUSINESSES.  >> FROM GOING INTO A C T  CORRIDOR WHICH IN MY MIND IS  WHAT WE WANTED TO DO SO AND  NEXT ONE IN MY MIND. WAS TO  ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT.  >> OF.  >> BUT I WOULD CALL LIGHT  COMMERCIAL.  >> PERSONAL SERVICES  PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THOSE  KINDS OF BUSINESSES.  >> THAT CAN COEXIST WITH  RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FAIRLY  EASILY.  >> WHEN. GORDA.  >> REZONED TO THEIR DOWNTOWN  AREA AFTER CHARLEY IT  SPECIFICALLY PUTIN MAXIMUM  SIZES FOR ANY BUSINESSES IN  THE DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THEY  DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE. BIG BOX  STORES ARE BIG OPERATIONS AND  SO THEIR ZONING PRECLUDED  THAT. SO AGAIN AND MY MIND I  WAS ENVISIONING FRONTAGE.  >> ON A COLLECTOR ROAD, THE  ARTERIAL ROADS I THINK OF A  LITTLE DIFFERENT TYPE OF THE  COLLECTOR ROADS.  >> BUT ONLY GO ONE PROPERTY  DEEP. NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF  SAN MATEO THERE ARE SOME VERY  LARGE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME  PROPERTIES. THAT 1, 3, 4, 5,  LOTS OF DEEP. BUT THAT'S DONE  ALREADY. BUT IF WE'RE  PROPOSING HOW IT'S GOING TO  LOOK. WHAT I HAD IN MY MIND  FOR THAT SORT OF MX ONE  TRANSITIONAL CORRIDOR. KIND OF  DEVELOPMENT WAS VERY SMALL  SCALE GENTLE. TYPE OF  COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.  >> SO THAT IF DAY THAT MILE  MILE AND A HALF.  >> AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT  PLAYS IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS  ALONG COLLECTOR ROADS BUT.  CERTAINLY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.  THAT WOULD CONSUME ALL OF THE  PROPERTY. THE TENSION.  >> THIS THIS IS POLICY FOR  COMMISSION DOOR WAS LEFT OPEN  SO THAT IF THERE WERE SOMEONE  TO ASSEMBLE THAT TYPE OF THAT.  AVOID THAT STRIPS ALL  COMMERCIAL THE COMMISSION HAVE  THE ABILITY TO APPROVE A  COMPREHENSIVE ON THAT WHICH  OTHER WHY IT'S A LEGISLATIVE  >> APPROVE A COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN AMENDMENT TO SIGN THAT  FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION  FOLLOWED EITHER RESIGN AND  POTENTIALLY FOLLOWED BY  VACATION OF RIGHT OF WAY TO  RECONFIGURE ROAD WHY NOT WORK  AND CREATE LARGER ASSEMBLED  OUR SAW. YES, THE COMMISSION'S  NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE  HALF-MILE MORE COMFORTABLE  WITH A QUARTER MILE I WOULD  RATHER THE THIS COASTLINE  WHICH NOT BE INCORPORATED AT  ALL. THAT'S CERTAINLY  SOMETHING THAT COULD BE  ACCOMMODATED BUT YOU NEED  UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN IF WE  DON'T PASS UP. MILEAGE  IDENTIFIER I CAN STILL ASK FOR  A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  AMENDMENT.  >> THE.  >> THE MILEAGE INDICATOR DOES  GIVE STAFF SOMETHING TO POINT  TO AND  >> WELL YOU'RE ON A COLLECTOR  ROAD AND YOU'RE A HALF MILE  AWAY FROM. OUR OUR EURO. 0.7 5  MILES AWAY. A CORRIDOR. ARE  POLICY SAYS IT'S ONLY FOR HALF  A MILE AWAY. THAT GIVES SOME  CONTROL SOMETHING TO POINT TO  YOU KNOW YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY  FROM THE CORRIDOR WITH YOUR  FUTURE LAND USE NOT NOT WE'RE  WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND  APPROVAL FOR THE ENTIRE DOT.  CERTAINLY IF THEY LESSER  DISTANCE FROM THE CORRIDOR AS  WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD  DESIRE FOR BOTH OF DISTRICTS.  WE'RE I WANT TO MODIFY THE  LANGUAGE.  >> AND I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE  REALLY I MEAN SAYING A QUARTER  MILE LOVE, WHATEVER NONE OF  THAT REALLY. COMPUTES VERY  WELL TERMS OF HOW OUR  NEIGHBORHOODS OF STRUCTURE.  AGAIN WHAT I HAD ENVISIONED  WAS SORT OF ONE PROPERTY DEAN.  IT'S WHY DOES THEY NEEDED TO  GO, BUT JUST ONE PROPERTY,  DEEP. WHICH ISN'T EVEN A MIGHT  SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 240  RIGHT 240 FEET OF THAT.  >> THAT IS A PRETTY  CONSTRAINED. THAT SO THAT IS  WHY WE WERE NO WANTED TO  INCORPORATE SOME FLEXIBILITY  SO ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. IF  THERE WERE REQUESTS TO CREATE  THAT. AT THE FIRST SIGHT. OR  THAT THEIR SITE DEVELOPMENT  MIGHT NOT BE SO CONSTRAINED.  THE DOOR WOULD THE OPPORTUNITY  WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ASK.  >> WELL, I MEAN WHAT THE  DEEPER SITE, THE BY SPECIAL  EXCEPTION AND LET IT COME HERE  FOR DISCUSSION.  >> BY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  AMENDMENT RIGHT AND FOUND AND  THAT'S THE WAY IT IS NOW  RIGHT. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE  LAYER A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OFF  OF WELL THAT WOULD COME TO US  ANYWAY THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE  WERE WE WOULDN'T NEED IT.  >> AND WEIGHING IN ON THAT  TRYING TO DIG OUT ONGOING  FALLOUT AND 2. I DON'T THINK  ANYONE HAS BEEN MORE VOCAL.  >> ABOUT THIS CITY'S NEED TO  EXPAND OUR COMMERCIAL  FOOTPRINT. BUT AGAIN WE'RE IN  THE VERY UNFORTUNATE POSITION  OF IMPOSING THIS ON TOP OF.  WHAT IS A PRE PLATTED WELL  BUILT SINGLE FAMILY HOME  COMMUNITY. AND SO THERE HAS TO  BE SOME TYPE OF BALANCE. I CAN  SEE MORE AGGRESSIVE DIMENSIONS  ON OUR ARTERIAL ROADS BUT ON  THOSE COLLECTOR ROADS. IT  NEEDS TO BE MUCH SOFTER AND  GENTLER SO MY COMMENTS STAND  NOW YIELD THE FLOOR IF IT SO  CAN TO COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  SURE YEAH.  >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT  TO THAT REVELATION. THEIR  COMMISSIONER LANGDON I AM  INSIDE DOING JUMPING JACKS AND  JUMPING FOR JOY BECAUSE I AM  HEARING.  >> SOME.  >> COMPROMISE TO WHAT WAS  PRESENTED AT THE COMP PLAN AND  TO WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED.  RECENTLY WITH THE  NEIGHBORHOODS AND GIVING THEM  SOME PROTECTIONS. I AM I  THRILLED. I I THAT WOULD BE  FOR I'M NOT HAPPEN. THAT WE  ARE PLANNING TO REZONE THE  CORRIDORS AND THE ARTERIALS.  BUT THE FACT THAT YOU  RECOGNIZE THE FIND THIS  BALANCE ON THE INTERIOR  PARCELS OF THESE PROPERTIES.  IT DOES WONDERS FOR ME AND I  APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE NOW IT  SEEMS LIKE WE CAN HAVE A REAL  CONVERSATION ON IT. THE  HALF-MILE TO A MILE AND A  HALF. IT'S IN THE COMP PLAN  THAT THESE COULD BE READ ON. I  DON'T KNOW AND SO SORRY. I  DON'T KNOW IF THAT BEING IN  THERE TRIGGER FOR A COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT I DON'T KNOW THAT  BUT THAT'S LIKE SO FAR DOWN  THE ROAD.  >> FIRST PRESENTED IT WAS.  >> THE. PROPERTY ADJACENT  PROPERTY FRONTING THE ARTERIAL  AND COLLECTOR ROAD AND ONE  PROPERTY THAT SHARED THE  COMMON BACK LOT LINE AND THAT  WAS IT AND TO YOUR POINT THE  INTENT WAS TO HAVE 9 OF A CENT  TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. TO HAVE  LIKE THE LITTLE MOM AND POP  TYPE OF THE DEVELOPMENTS.  SMALLER CONSTRAINED  DEVELOPMENTS AND IF SOMEBODY  WANTED TO BUY WHOLE PARCEL  FROM ONE STOPLIGHT JUST ONE  STOP LIKE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO  DO THAT. DIDN'T SEE MUCH  CHANCE OF HAPPENING BUT THEY  WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT NOW  THAT STAFF HAS PUT IT TO  INSIDE A MILE ROAD. A MILE AND  A HALF JUST TO KIND OF GET  SOME PERSPECTIVE IS FROM PRICE  BOULEVARD. PAST CRANBERRY  ELEMENTARY, SO IF YOU KNOW  WHERE CRANBERRY ELEMENTARY IS  THAT IS A DISTANCE AND THAT IS  ALL ALL OF A LOT OF  NEIGHBORHOOD SINGLE-FAMILY  RESIDENTIAL THAT COULD  POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED. SO I.  I AM ALL FOR WHAT YOU'RE  SAYING.  AND I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT  YOU BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I  THOUGHT IT WAS A DEAD  CONVERSATION I WOULD  ABSOLUTELY BE AMENABLE TO  REMOVING ALL REFERENCES TO  THAT HALF MILE MILE AND A HALF  MILE. IN OUR COMP PLAN AND IN  THIS ULDC REWRITE AND AGAIN  JUST CLEAR. MAY  >> I'M TALKING SPECIFICALLY  ABOUT COLLECTOR ROADS I THINK  ARTERIAL ROADS ARE AND IT'S  STILL TOO AGGRESSIVE. BUT BUT  I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE  AGGRESSIVE THERE BUT ARTERIAL  ROAD ARE NEAR THE COLLECTOR  ROADS. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S  FINE. BUT IT'S STILL A  CONVERSATION DOOR OPENER FOR  ME AND AFTER HEARING WHAT YOU  SAID, AND APPRECIATE THAT AND  IT'S NOT A COMPROMISE THAT'S  ALWAYS WHAT I HAD IN MY HEAD  FOR THAT LEVEL OF DEVELOP BUT  AFTER THE CONVERSATION WITH  COMP PLAN.  >> WHEN I HAD ASKED TO HAVE  REMOVED DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE  THAT'LL CABLE. A WOULD DISCUSS  IT HERE SO YEAH, WELL THAT'S  SOME PLANES CAN VOTE IN STATE.  SO THANKFULLY WE HEARD THAT IT  HASN'T GONE THERE SO MAYBE CAN  GET CAPTURED CORRECTLY. IF  THERE'S A CHANGE IN DIRECTION  SOME WAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR  THAT I APPRECIATE THE  CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW IF  ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO WEIGH IN  ON THAT LOOKING AT WILL. THE  WHOLE INTENT OF THIS REZONING  ULDC REWRITE WAS ALL ABOUT  WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALL BE  ABOUT. IN ADDITION TO  OBVIOUSLY ALIGNING THE COMP  PLAN WITH THE ULDC IT WAS TO  CREATE. AND ENVIRONMENT WITHIN  OUR CITY A REZONING THAT HELPS  STIMULATE ECONOMIC GROWTH.  CERTAINLY IN IN OUR ARTERIAL  ROAD AREAS ARE OUR ACTIVITY  CENTER AREAS. YOU KNOW THERE'S  WHERE WE WE HOPEFULLY LOOK FOR  BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.  WATCH THIS AND AND. YOU KNOW  AFTER LAST MEETING ON THE COMP  PLAN ISSUES AND YOU LOOK AT  IT. HE HOARDERS AND AND. I  START TO WONDER AND I HAVE  BEEN WONDERING. WHAT THE REAL  ECONOMIC IMPACT. WOULD BE TOUR  CITY. ALLOWING THIS TYPE OF  REZONING VERSUS NOT AND AND SO  YOU KNOW. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YOU COULD EVEN DO  BACKFLIPS ON THIS BECAUSE  ALREADY DOING EXACTLY CHOOSE  >> AGAIN.  >> IF WE DID EVERYTHING THAT  WE ENVISION HERE. WE GET  OURSELVES TO ABOUT 16 AND A  QUARTER PERCENT  NON-RESIDENTIAL TAX REP. WE  NEED TO BE AT 25 SO REGARDLESS  WE'RE GOING TO FALL SO FAR  SHORT WHAT WE NEED TO AVOID.  WHAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE  ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE IN  TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX  INCREASES OVER THE NEXT 10  YEARS THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO  AVOID THIS IN MY ESTIMATION,  THIS CITY IS JUST NOT GOING TO  BE ABLE TO GET THAT NUMBER IN  MY OPINION. SO IF YOU THEN  STEP BACK A LITTLE AND YOU SAY  IN SOME OF THE SENSITIVE AREAS  WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH SINGLE  FAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO ME. YOU  KNOW WHY ARE WE TRYING WRING  IT OUT FOR EVERY LAST BIT OF  COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT IN  THE SENSITIVE AREAS WHEN.  WHAT'S THE IMPACT THE  FINANCIAL IMPACTS GOING TO BE  WHAT ANOTHER POINT SO WE DON'T  GET 16 THE QUARTER WE GET THAT  15 AND A QUARTER 14 IN THE  QUARTER. HOW SIGNIFICANT IT DO  IT. I MEAN I KNOW EVERY POINT  MATTERS BUT AT THE SAME TIME I  LOOK AT IT AND I SAY WHEN YOU  LOOK AT THE OVERALL SCHEME OF  THINGS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET  TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE  NONRESIDENTIAL. REVENUE  ANYWAY, THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO  GET THERE IT THE WAY I SEE IT  EVEN IN ALL THE ACTIVITY  CENTERS. THERE'S GOT TO BE  BLENDED APPROACH WITH  RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO  SOME DEGREE AND FOR GOOD  REASON IT'S LIKE AT IT SO THE  REALITY IS LIKE. YOU KNOW  WE'RE ASKING THE CITIZENRY. TO  TAKE THIS RIGHT ON THE CHIN,  YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN. IT'S  LIKE PICK YOUR POISON. IF YOU  EITHER GOING TO GET OVER  DEVELOPMENT IN RESIDENTIAL  NEIGHBORHOODS OR YOU'RE GOING  TO GET LESS INTENSIVE DEVELOP  IT. SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE  MORE COMPATIBLE IN YOU'RE  GOING TO TAXES RAISED THAT'S  ALL. I MEAN LET'S JUST CALL  THIS WHAT IT IS WE WOULD DANCE  AROUND THESE ISSUES OVER AND  OVER MEETING AFTER MEETING  AFTER MEETING WHEN THE REALITY  IS. MAY BE THE BEST WAYS TO  SOFTEN OF THIS NON  RESIDENTIAL. REZONING. IN THE  SENSITIVE AREAS AND RAISE  TAXES SAY THE HORRIBLE WORDS,  BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED  ANYWAY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING  TO MAKE THIS WORK WE  EVERYBODY'S THROAT STOP SEE  THE WAY IT'S AND VISION.  DEVELOPING ALL THESE  CORRIDORS. AND THEN STILL HAVE  TO RAISE TAXES. YOU KNOW I  JUST I'M NOT ONLY DOING  ROTATION HERE BUT I JUST YOU  KNOW I TRY TO STEP BACK AND  LOOK AT THIS FROM A BIG  PICTURE PERSPECTIVE AND AND I  I JUST DON'T GET IT AT THIS  POINT I'M STARTING TO SAY TO  MYSELF PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING  YELLING AND CARRYING ON ABOUT  WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE  AND SO YOU KNOW. IF IF HE SET  UP A LITTLE BIT. WE DON'T  GREECE ON SOME OF THESE CARTER  AREAS, HE'S YOU COLLECTOR  ROADS AND AND DON'T REALLY  DEVELOP AND WE DO LIKE  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAYS MAKE  THEM A LITTLE MORE  NEIGHBORHOOD, RESIDENTIAL  FRIENDLY BUSINESSES. SO WE  LOSE OUT SOME OF STORM KIND OF  SCHOOL REVENUE WILL MAKE IT UP  A PROPERTY TAX INCREASES  THAT'S WHAT'S COMING ANYWAY.  >> YES, I HAVE INFORMATION  THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FIRST OF  WE WERE TO ELIMINATE A  CORRIDOR TRANSITIONAL IN THE  CORRIDOR JUST STARTS. WE WOULD  LOSE 4.1 8%. OF  NON-RESIDENTIAL BASED ON THE  CALCULATIONS I DID SO WE GO  FROM 16.2 WANT 12 POINT O 3.  THAT'S ONE THING THE OTHER. IT  IS. WE HAVE 200 NEW BUSINESSES  IN 2024. OF 4% OF THOSE  BUSINESSES ARE HOME-BASED  BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE TO GROW  SOMEWHERE WE WANT THEM TO GROW  IN OUR CITY OR DO WE TO BE  RELOCATING THEIR BUSINESSES  TOO. OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHEN  OUTGROW THEIR HOMES AS FAR AS  A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE  SPAWNED.  >> AND LIMIT ITS JUST TYPE  THAT MAKE COMMENT AND THEN I  DID THAT'S I THOUGHT WERE WHEN  I RAN FOR ELECTION I HAVE VERY  HIGH HOPES MY EXPECTATION THAT  WOULD BE ABLE TO G TO 20%.  AFTER 3 AND A HALF YEARS OF  HACKING AWAY AT THIS AND. I'M  LOOKING AT THE LIMITATIONS OF  THIS COMMUNITY WE'RE NOT GOING  TO GET.  >> SO. FOLKS HAVE GOT TO  REALIZE.  >> WHAT THE IMPLICATION OF  THAT IT'S GOING TO AND I RAN  BECAUSE 15 OR 20 YEARS FROM  NOW. I WAS HOPING THAT FUTURE  RESIDENTS IN FUTURE  COMMISSIONS WOULD NOT BE FACED  WITH THE UN. AND BEING ABLE  TASK.  >> WHEN THEY WHEN.  >> FUTURE COMMISSIONS TRIED TO  BALANCE THEIR BUDGET. THAT  THEY WEREN'T FORCED TO DO ONE  OR SOME COMBINATION OF 3  THINGS. RAISE PROPERTY TAXES  TO AN EXTRAORDINARY LEVEL.  SERVICES AND LET'S FACE IT  FOLKS IT'S OUR SAFETY  SERVICES.  >> SO.  >> HAPPENING FIRE AND POLICE.  >> AND 3RD.  >> HAVING TO SELL OFF.  PARKLAND CONSERVATION. WHAT  I'VE COME TO REALIZE IN THE  PAST YEAR. AS THAT DECISION IS  NOT 1520 YEARS FROM NOW IT'S  TODAY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR  NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT SELLING  PROPERTY. I CERTAINLY NEVER  THOUGHT.  >> I WOULD BE IN THAT  POSITION. HAVING TO DO THAT  YOU KNOW I THOUGHT IT WAS 10  YEARS AWAY. BUT WE ARE THERE  TODAY.  >> AND THERE ARE SOME OF US  WHO WOULD BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO  RAISE TAXES MAYBE THOSE WHO  ARE STILL WORKING YOU KNOW CAN  CAN FORESEE MAKING MORE MONEY  AND 5 OR 10 YEARS BUT A LOT OF  OUR RESIDENTS ARE NOT IN THAT  POSITION. AND FOR ME  SUSTAINABILITY HAS HAS NEVER  BEEN SOLELY ABOUT THE  ENVIRONMENT. SUSTAINABILITY IS  ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BALANCE  YOUR CITY BUDGET IN A WAY THAT  DOES NOT. PUT AN UNDUE BURDEN  AND PROPERTY ALL PROPERTY AND.  WHERE A GROWING CITY. AND WE  HAVE A LOT OF CAPITAL NEEDS.  WE ARE ALL SUFFERING FROM  INFLATION. THE CITY IS NO  DIFFERENT. MAYBE NOT ARGUABLY  INDUSTRY THAT'S BEEN MOST  IMPACTED IS CONSTRUCTION. SO  WE HAVE A DOUBLE WHAMMY. WE'RE  GROWING. WE NEED TO BUILD IF  WE'RE GOING EXPAND AND AND  THAT IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE.  AVAILABLE TO US GROWING OUR  COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT. IS A  VITAL MOVE IF WE'RE GOING TO  PREVENT ORDINANCE INCREASES  AND OUR PROPERTY TAXES. AND I  SO WANT TO COMMENTING THAT.  OVER THE PAST MANY MONTHS WITH  RED FROM RESIDENTS THAT WOULD  BE HAPPY TO INCREASE TAXES TO  IMPROVE THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PROPERTY. THERE ARE  OTHER RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE  HAPPY TO INCREASE TAXES TO  BUILD. 122 MILLION DOLLAR  POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOLKS WE  CAN'T DO IT ALL. IN FACT WE  REALLY CAN'T DO ANY OF THAT.  >> SO SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO  DO.  >> MOST OF OUR BUSINESSES THAT  WE WELCOME INTO THE CITY OR  HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND  WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THE  EFFECT IN CERTAIN  NEIGHBORHOODS. HOME BUSINESSES  OUTGROWING THEIR FOOTPRINT. SO  IN MY MIND I SEE THE COLLECTOR  ROADS IN THE ARTERIAL ROADS  FOR MORE INTENSE. BUSINESS  TYPES. GIVING THOSE SMALL  HOME-BASED BUSINESSES PLAY SO  FUN MOVING TO THE CITY AND I  WANT TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE SO  LONG. AND I'M GOING TO WANT TO  BUY PROPERTY ON ONE OF THE  COLLECTOR WROTE HAS THAT'S  WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO  ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF  DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.  >> WE ARE.  >> I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION  THAT WITH OUT MAJOR PLASTIC  SURGERY AND BONE  RECONSTRUCTION. WE CANNOT MAKE  THIS PRE PLATTED. YOU HE  CAUGHT NOT SUBURBAN THE  BEDROOM COMMUNITY WE CAN MAKE  SOME CHANGES TO IT TO MITIGATE  THE IMPACT WE MUST MUST DO AND  PEOPLE WILL BE IMPACTED.  PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE  HAPPY. BUT THE HALF. ISLAND  HAVE IT JUST DOESN'T COMPUTE  TERMS OF HOW THE CITY OF  SLIDELL. AND SO TELL ME IT'S  ABOUT A BALANCE WE NEED TO DO  AS MUCH AS WE CAN WE NEED TO  REALIZE THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE  DO ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, A  QUARTER ACRE LOT HOMEOWNER, A  PROPERTY OWNER IS GOING TO BE  IMPACTED. THOSE ARE THE FACTS.  MIND IF I.  >> MIGHT GIVE SOME SOME  INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE  HELPFUL.  >> AND THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT  SPARTANS HAS GIVEN YOU. THOSE  AREN'T BASED ON THE MILE MILE  AND HALF THOSE ARE BASED ON  COLORS ON THE MAP. WITH BY.  ELIMINATE IF YOU WANT  ELIMINATE THE MILE MILE AND  HALF FROM THE LANGUAGE. THAT  DOESN'T IMPACT YOUR  PERCENTAGES WERE STILL UP  THERE 16 POINT SOMETHING.  DEVELOPMENT. AS A WHOLE BUNCH  OF PROPERTY AND THEY WANT TO  COME IN AND THEY WANT TO ASK  FOR TAP PLAN AMENDMENT REZONE  THEY STILL HAVE ABILITY TO DO  THAT AND THE COMMISSION CAN  CONSIDER AT THAT TIME THE ONLY  THING THOSE LIMITATIONS GAVE  REALLY WAS PARAMETERS FOR  STAFF TO BE ABLE  TO SAY YOUR DEVELOPMENT YOUR  PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS TOO BIG  YOU NEED YOU KNOW YOU'RE  OUTSIDE YOUR WAY OUTSIDE  BOUNDS. BUT IF THE COMMISSION  IS IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH  THAT EVEN BEING IN THERE. HAS  YOUR PALMS WE CAN WE CAN TAKE  THAT OUT. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE  IT CLEAR THAT THOSE THOSE  PERCENTAGES THAT YOU'VE BEEN  GIVEN ARE BASED ON THE COLOR  WHERE THE COLORS ARE THERE  THEY'RE NOT BASED OFF THAT  MOMENT HAVE ADDITIONAL LEE AS  FAR AS THE TYPES OF  BUSINESSES. THE INTENSITY OF  THOSE BUSINESSES. YOU'VE  ALREADY LIMITED THE HOURS OF  OPERATION WHICH WILL LIMIT THE  TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT GO IN  THERE SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO  HAVE AND NOT HAVE A GAS  STATION BECAUSE THERE.  >> TOOK THEY'RE NOT OPEN THERE  THEY'RE NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT  GOING TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO  WIN THEY CAN'T BE OPEN 24  HOURS IN YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT  GOING TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD BAR  BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE OPEN  TILL MIDNIGHT YOU KNOW  WHATEVER. SO.  >> YOU'RE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  THOSE MORE REAL ESTATE  OFFICES. ALSO WANTS HAIR  SALONS THOSE TYPES OF  BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE CAN.  WANT TO OR DRIVE TO OR BY TO  YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN VERY CLOSE  PROXIMITY TO THEIR RENT. SO IN  IN A LOT OF THOSE HOME-BASED  BUSINESSES IT DOES GIVE THEM  SOMEWHERE TO GO. OTHER THAN  OUTSIDE A BAR JURISDICTION  BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY AT  OCCUPANCY RIGHT NOW ON. ON  COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND  THAT'S THAT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR  PEOPLE TO HAVE OPTIONS WITHIN  THEIR  >> FINANCIAL ABILITY TO TO  LEASE RENT OR BUY YOU KNOW I.  SO WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR. WE  CAN REMOVE  >> MY MY OWN HAPPENED THAT  DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR  PERCENTAGES ARE STILL UP  THERE. NO CLOSED BETWEEN  1617%.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT  ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT. FOLKS  HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT  ONE PROPERTY TAXES GO UP.  PROPERTY VALUES CAN GO DOWN  BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE LOOK TO  BUY A HOME. PEOPLE WHO ARE  GETTING LOOKING AT THAT  MONTHLY PAYMENT AND AS THE  TAXES GO UP THEY'RE GOING TO  BE LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES THAT  ARE VALUED PRESSURE ON OUR  PROPERTY VALUES. AND AND MAYBE  THAT'S OKAY FOR SOME FOLKS  BECAUSE MAYBE THAT WOULD PAY  LESS IN TAXES. BUT FOR MOST  PROPERTY OWNERS. I DON'T KNOW,  BUT YOU MY WEALTH IS IN MY  HOME. SO I DON'T WANT MY  PROPERTY VALUE.  ♪ ♪ SO. AS A CITY. WE NEED TO FACE  THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE WAY  WERE LAID OUT. AND IF WE DON'T  IMPACT THAT AND AGAIN I I SAY  THIS ALL THE TIME AND I I DO  MEAN TO CRITICIZE. PREVIOUS  STAFF, OUR PREVIOUS  COMMISSIONERS IF WE HAD DONE  THIS 20 YEARS AGO IT WOULD  HAVE BEEN A MUCH EASIER  EXERCISE. BUT NOW WE'RE FORCE  GETTING AT. ON A CITY THAT  ALREADY PRIMARILY DEVELOPED AS  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WE'VE GOT  TO DO IT. ARE AS A CITY  WITHOUT FACE THE CONSEQUENCE.  THOSE DECISIONS. SO FOR ANYONE  WHO'S HERE IN THE FOR ANYONE  IS LISTENING ONLINE OR WHO  MIGHT JOIN US LATER. YOU JUST  HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT AND IF I  HEAR ONE MORE TIME. BUSINESS  FRIENDLY. ALL RIGHT WANT TO  INCREASE THE COMMERCIAL  FOOTPRINT THAT I'M IN THE  POCKET OF DEVELOPER. I'M GOING  LOSE MY MIND BECAUSE MY ONLY  CONCERN INTO CONSIDERATION. 10  YEARS FROM WHAT IS IT GOING TO  BE LIKE TO LIVE HERE AND WHO'S  GOING TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.  IF WE HAVE TO CUT BACK ON  SAFETY SERVICES WHO'S GOING TO  WANT TO LIVE HERE. SO WE NEED  TO FACE THE FACTS WE ALL WANT  WHAT WE WANT. I WOULD LOVE TO  HAVE A BMW. I HAVE SO BUDGET.  THE CITY HAS ACCUSE HOLE A  JET. AND IF WE WANT MORE THEN  WE NEED TO GET COMMERCIAL  DEVELOPMENT. TO SHARE IT.  THOSE OF THE FACTS NOT MY  OPINION. NONE OF THEM. SO WE  NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO  FIGURE IT OUT. AND AND AGAIN  I'VE I'VE PROBABLY PAST YEAR.  I REALIZED THAT MY MAJOR  REASON FOR RUNNING FOR  COMMISSION TO HIT THAT 2025%.  IT'S A PIPE DREAM NOT GOING DO  IT. NOW WE JUST CAN'T THE WAY  WHERE CONFIGURED IN PROPERTY  RIGHTS BEING WHAT THEY ARE.  SOME I DON'T KNOW WANT TO PICK  A YES I TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF  GOOD TODAY, I DON'T OFTEN DO  IT SO JUST ORIENT. THANK I'D  LIKE TO TO COMMENT. FIRST OF  THANK YOU. DIRECTOR WRAY FOR  BRINGING OUT THAT. THE THOSE  PERCENTAGES ARE BASED ON THE  COLORS THAT WE SEE NOW THAT'S  GOOD. AND AND.  >> GOING ALONG WITH  COMMISSIONER LANGDON WERE  SAYING THAT DECISIONS WERE  MADE AND THIS IS ONE OF THE  TOUGH DECISIONS I WAS GOING TO  ASK OUT OF THAT.  >> AFTER I WANT TO HAVE FILED  FOR AMATEURS I'M INTO LAY  THERE, HOWEVER I DON'T SEE  THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD  HAPPEN.  >> TOMORROW EVEN AFTER WE  PASSES BECAUSE IT REQUIRES  ACREAGE TO BE. ASSEMBLED BY  QUARTER ON QUARTER LOTS. WE  ALREADY KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT  IS FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY WANT  TO JUST BUY LOT NEXT TO THEM  THAT THEY DON'T GET AN ANSWER  IT'S NOT OVERNIGHT PROCESS,  BUT IT WHAT'S THAT. THAT IDEA  OUT THERE THAT IT THAT YOU CAN  DO THIS IF YOU START LIKE YOU  SAID ON THE ACTUAL ROAD THAT I  SEE THE COLORS THAT IF YOU  WANT TO EXPAND IT IS A  POSSIBILITY PLUS 8 THEY NEED  SEWER AND WATER. SO THAT'S  AGAIN NOT SOMETHING THAT'S  GOING TO HAPPEN AND THE  IMMEDIATE FUTURE BUT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAID YOU  KNOW 15 YEARS SO NOW THEY MAY  BE SAYING WHILE THIS IS THIS  IS GOOD BECAUSE WE NEED THIS  NOW. AND GLAD THAT THAT WE DID  THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE  RAMIFICATIONS WOULD REMOVING  THAT SO I DON'T REALLY  UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS THE  PURPOSE OF EVEN PUTTING THAT  IN THERE AT THE HALF MILE AND  A WOMAN HAVE  >> THE PURPOSE OF PUTTING SOME  DISTANCE CRITERIA IN THE COMP  PLAN. SOME HAVE APPLIED FOR A  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.  >> HIGH-DENSITY CORRIDOR  DISTRICT. AND THEY HAVE OLD.  LAR. LAND AREA. AND SAY  INSTEAD OF.  >> A MILE AND A HALF. THE  CORRIDOR THEY WERE 2 MILES  FROM THE CORRIDOR. WELL THEN  STOP COULD SAY WELL, YOU KNOW.  THE DESCRIPTION OF THIS LAND  USE DISTRICT AND THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.  >> PROVIDES FOR A MILE AND A  HALF FROM THE COURT OR YOU ARE  WAY LARGER THIS LAND USE  ANTICIPATED OKAY SO IT'S  ACTUALLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF  THOSE THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS  THESE ARE MY PARAMETERS SO NOT  TO EVEN. THEY'RE HAVING  SOMETHING THAT'S 2 MILES AWAY  AND THEN HAVING TO COME BEFORE  ALLIES IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK  THAT I WANT TO.  >> RIGHT THERE, BUT SO ON A  MEDIUM THAT STUDY WE DID THE  HALF FINAL BECAUSE THAT WAS.  COLLECTOR ROADS.  >> ARE.  >> MORE SURROUNDED BY  NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE ARTERIAL  ROAD. SO WE PUT THE HALF MILE  THERE A HALF MILE WOULD BE THE  LIMITATION THERE. SO WE PUT  THOSE ARE SO THAT IF SOMEONE  APPLIED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS  FARTHER AWAY COULD SAY WE'RE  GOING TO RECOMMEND DENIAL  BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING WAY  DESCRIPTION AND THE COMPLIMENT  NOW WITHOUT THOSE DESCRIPTORS  ON THE COMP PLAN. ANYONE CAN  ANY TIME THE COMMISSION FOR A  CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT  TO CHANGE THEIR LAND USE OF  NATION. ANYONE CAN. NO MATTER  WHERE OTHER PROPERTY IS  WHETHER IT CAN TAKE US TO A  CORRIDOR, A COLLECTOR ROAD IN  ONTARIO ANYONE CAN.  >> ALL RIGHT LEAST WITH THIS  I'M THINKING THEY WOULD LEAST  KNOW WHAT WHAT THEY'RE IN FOR.  OUTLINE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO  THROUGH ALL THAT. BUT WE HAVE  TO GO THROUGH PAPERWORK  REGARDLESS LIMITATION.  >> THEY'VE SOMETHING TO POINT  TO ON THE COMMISSION SOMETHING  TO POINT TO IF THEY WERE GOING  WAY BEYOND THAT. AND AGAIN WE  CAN ELIMINATE. THE DISTANCE  CRITERIA ENTIRELY. OR WE CAN  CHANGE THE DISTANCE CRITERIA,  WHATEVER MISSION HIGHER SO FOR  THE MEDIAN  DENSITY CORRIDOR IN THE SEAT  HE IS ON PERHAPS THAT'S A  QUARTER MILE INSTEAD OF A HALF  A MILE. 3 I'LL ON THE  HIGH-DENSITY CORRIDOR ALONG  THE ARTERIALS HAS A. JUST AS  AN EXAMPLE. EITHER WAY ANYONE  CAN AT ANY SPUR FUTURE LAND  USE AMENDMENT ON ANY PROPERTY  IN THE CITY.  >> BY DECEPTION. WHICH  >> MISSION FOR APPROVAL.  >> ONE LAST QUESTION THE WAY  IT IS NOW ON LEAVE.  >> CORRIDORS THAT JUST A THAT  WAS TO BLOCK THE ONES THAT. A  FRONT THE ROADWAY PLUS ONE LOT  BEHIND IS THAT ANOTHER LAID  OUT RIGHT NOW.  >> THE LAST THE ROADWAY AND  THEN THE IDEALLY BEHIND SO YOU  ONE BLOCK THAT THAT'S DEPICTED  ON THEM OUT IN MOST AREAS.  >> OVER  >> EAST PRICE. THERE'S SOME  TRACKS OF LAND DEEPER. UP IN  THE LADY'S SLIPPER AREA YOU'VE  GOT. AREA THAT IT'S NOT JUST  ALONG ME CORRIDOR. TOLEDO ON I  75 THERE'S THAT ONE LARGE  TRACT OF LAND ON THE NORTH  SIDE. THAT IS HIGH-DENSITY  CORRIDOR WHERE  >> THE.  >> LOTS. IT'S YES, THE  MAJORITY OF THE LAND CORRIDORS  IS THE ONE BLOCK A CASE UNLESS  THERE'S A LARGE TRACTS OF LAND  ALREADY EXISTING ALL RIGHT SO  WE HAD 4 LOTS TOGETHER THAT'S  AN ACRE.  >> THAT THEY ASSEMBLED THAT  THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS  >> CORRIDOR IT WOULD HAVE THIS  COURT OR ZONING TO DO WHATEVER  THEY CAN FIT ON THAT. ONE ACRE  THAT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE A  50 FOOT APARTMENT BUILDING.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT'S MY  QUESTIONS VICE MAYOR DOESN'T  HAVE I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO  THE COMMENTS YOU KNOW WHEN I  TALKED THE CARTERS SO THAT  THESE CARTER ZONES, YOU KNOW I  APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW IF  IF WE DIDN'T REZONE THESE THE  WAY WAY THERE AND IN ADDITION  TO BE RESELLING 54% LAW I'M  NOT LOOKING TO CUT OUT THE  SMALL BUSINESS YOU KNOW I  REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT  CHAPTER 3 AND WE LOOKED AT ALL  THE HUE STAPLES. AND WE WENT  DOWN ITEM BY ITEM BY ITEM TYPE  BUSINESS TO ME. THAT'S THE  AREA WHERE WE CAN SERIOUSLY  RESTRICT THE TYPES OF  BUSINESSES STECKEL IN THESE  CORRIDORS ALONG THE COLLECTOR  ROADS AND EVEN SOME OF THE  ARTERIAL ROADS THAT ARE IN  VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO  RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WHY  CAN'T WE RESTRICT EITHER BY  SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR EXCLUDE  THOSE YOU KNOW WE'VE VISITED  THOSE IN CHAPTER 3 SO LONG AGO  THAT NOW AS WE'VE LOOKED AT  THIS  SONY MAP CHANGE AND MORE AND  AND NOW WE LOOK AT IT TO ME  THE BIGGEST CONCERNED  CITIZENS, HALF. OR IS THE  UNKNOWN OF THE TYPES OF  BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT GO ALONG  PRICE THAT MIGHT GO ALONG SOME  OF THESE ROADS WHERE THERE'S  LOTS OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS RIGHT  NOW IF WE LOOK AT THAT AGAIN  AND DRILL DOWN AND RESTRICT  EITHER BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR  OUTRIGHT EXCLUDE SOME OF THESE  TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT  SHOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS  SOFTENING. YES AND IT REALLY  WOULD RESTRICT REVENUE, I  DON'T SEASONS AND 4%. AT THAT  BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING  ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL TAX  REVENUE IN THOSE AREAS WERE  SIMPLY. RESTRICTING THE TYPE  OF NON-RESIDENTIAL REVENUES, I  MEAN THIS IS GOT TO SOFTEN UP  SOME AND AND YOU KNOW TO ME WE  HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS FOR A  VERY LONG TIME I DARE SAY IF  WE WENT BACK THROUGH THOSE USE  TABLES AGAIN THERE MIGHT BE  SOME VERY DIFFERENT  PERSPECTIVES ON THIS  COMMISSION AS TO WHAT  BUSINESSES WE ALLOW WHICH ONCE  WE SPEAK WE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL  EXCEPTION AND WHICH WE OUT  RIGHT JUST ALLOW AND AND YOU  KNOW, MEAN. IT MAY WELL BE  WORTH VISITING THE AND JUST  BECAUSE. THERE'S GOT TO BE A  BALANCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE  ULTIMATE GOAL BALANCE WELL  THAT SAME TIME TRYING TO  MAXIMIZE NON-RESIDENTIAL TAX  REVENUE SO I DON'T SAY DO AWAY  WITH ZONING THAT YOU'RE  PROPOSING I SAY THAT'S  RESTRICTED EVEN MORE IF WE  NEED TO LET'S LOOK AT A TICKET  TO A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND  THEIR TYPES THAT. YOU KNOW ARE  INTRUSIVE. AND WE SAID WELL  BUFFERS.  >> AND SETBACKS AND NOISE THIS  AND THAT AND ALL THESE THINGS  ARE GOING TO HELP MITIGATE  THAT BUT IT STILL DOESN'T  MITIGATE THE FACT THAT  SOMEBODY'S HOUSE IS RIGHT NEXT  TO A NON RESIDENTIAL BUSINESS  AND IF WE RESTRICT THE TYPE  BUSINESS MAYBE THAT WILL UP SO  WELL.  >> I WANT TO ASK MISTER  DOESN'T THINK I FORGOT TO HAVE  SOMETHING TO AT COMMISSIONER  EMRICH.  >> THINK I NEED ANOTHER  BATTLE.  >> DISCUSSED I WAS AGREEING  WITH THAT COMMISSIONER STOKES  EARLIER.  ♪ HAS BROUGHT WHERE WHERE TAXES  ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE RAISED  THAT THERE IS GOING TO HAVE  THAT WAS BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IS  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 100%  WITHIN THE NEXT YEARS, SO  WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO  GO. AND IT CAN WITH MILLAGE  RATE  ♪ COMMERCIAL. ONE OF THE BIGGEST  THINGS IS. WE'RE WE'RE AT  WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT  SETTING A PROGRESSIVE TIGHT  MILLAGE RATE INCREASE GOING  FORWARD IN THE FUTURE WHICH IS  THAT A SMALL PERCENTAGE GOING  FORWARD. THAT COULD ENHANCE  THE COMMERCIAL AS IT COMES ON  BOARD. AND I AGREE WITH BILL  IT AND REVISITING SOME OF  THESE BUSINESSES THAT ARE  SLOTTED TO BE AT THE CERTAIN  AREAS. YEAH TAKES TIME BUT  WE'RE WE'RE LISTENING TO THE  CITIZENS AND I UNDERSTAND  THEIR FEARS.  >> AND I LOOKED AT THE HALF  MILE AND MILE AND A HALF. I  UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT GOING TO  REALLY UPSET THE APPLE CART ON  OUR COMMERCIAL BUT IT IS  LIMITATIONS. I HAD THOUGHT  ABOUT YOU KNOW MAYBE BRING IT  BACK DOWN TO A HALF MILE AND A  QUARTER MILE. WE DO HAVE TO  HAVE LIMITATIONS ON SOME OF  THESE BIGGER PROJECTS GOING  UNLESS IT IS LIKE PRICE  BOULEVARD OR ONE OF THE  BOULEVARDS THAT WE HAVE THAT'S  WHAT PEOPLE NEED UNDERSTAND IS  IF YOU ARE ON THE BOULEVARD  THAT IS COMMERCIAL ACCESS. YOU  KNOW IT'S I THINK THAT WE DO  NEED TO SLOW DOWN JUST A  LITTLE BIT AND RESET FEW AND  COME UP AS A GROUP IN AND SEE  WHAT WORKS THE BEST BECAUSE  YES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TAXES  INCREASE REGARDLESS WE'VE  TALKED ABOUT IT FOR NEXT YEAR.  SO. WE JUST GOT TO HAVE THOSE  CONVERSATIONS. SO I GOT RIGHT  NOW.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I CAN  JUST AS I HAVE MENTIONED WE DO  WAY CORRECT OR RIGHT AND YOU  HAVE SOME UNITS AT WITH GOING  THROUGH THE USE CHART AND THE  COMMISSION DID VISIT THIS. WE  CHAPTER 3 THE CARTER  TRANSITIONAL, SO THAT WOULD  ARTERIALS ARE ALREADY VERY  RESTRICTED. THE USES ARE VERY  RESTRICTED. A LOT OF THEM ARE  SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND BUY. BY  SETTING  >> RESTRICTION ON THIS SET THE  SOUND THE NOISE AND THE  OPERATING HOURS. YOU FURTHER  RESTRICTED. SO THE VAST VAST  MAJORITY IF NOT ALL OF THESE  BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE THE  TYPE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPEN  8, 5, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO  BE SPOKESMAN I QUICKLY WENT  THERE WITH THE USES LOOK GOOD  SEE YOU SIR VERY RESTRICTED  ALREADY.  >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A  GAS STATION ON YOUR ARTERIAL  JUST NOT  ♪ >> IT'S NOT.  >> NOW OUT. MADE IT NOT  ALLOWED RIGHT TO YOU HAVE YOU  HAVE SO THEY ARE VERY  RESTRICTED AS TO THE TYPE OF  BUSINESSES RESTRICTING IT EVEN  MORE WOULD PROBABLY JUST  ♪ BE POINTLESS AND TO BE  PERFECTLY HONEST. AND I'M I'M  JUST GOING TO SAY THIS WE ARE  RUNNING OUT OF TIME. IF THIS  COMMISSION WANTS TO. ADOPT  THIS IN THE AUGUST TIME FRAME.  WE DON'T HAVE MORE TIME  THROUGH ABSORBING ALL OF THE  CHANGES THAT WE CAN MAKE. BUT  JUST LOOKING AT IF YOU GO DOWN  THE LIST OF WHAT'S IN YOUR  PACKET TODAY YOU WILL SEE VERY  RESTRICTED. USES ON ARTERIAL  ZAHN EVEN PRETTY RESTRICTED ON  THE COLLECTORS AS WELL VERY  RESTRICTED SO THAT'S IMPORTANT  MESSAGE TO GET OUT. I MEAN  THAT'S THE REALITY THAT'S WHAT  PEOPLE'S FEAR THAT THERE'S  GOING TO BE.  >> YOU KNOW.  >> ALL THESE INTRUSIVE TYPE  BUSINESSES IN THEIR  NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE'S  REALLY NOT GOING TO THERE  CONTROL THE COMMISSION IS SET  A LOT OF CONTROLS.  >> THAT KEEP THAT INTRUSION  FROM HAPPENING BUT YOU'VE ALSO  SET THESE CONTROLS THAT.  >> THAT LIMIT SIGNIFICANTLY  LIMIT THE INTENSITY OF THOSE  TYPES OF USE SO THAT THINK  YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB IN  ACCOMPLISHING THE GOAL THAT  YOU SET TO TO MINIMIZE THAT  INTRUSION.  >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING  THAT WE DID HAVE EXTENSIVE  CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THEIR  >> YEAH ALL RIGHT BECOMES  BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT WHEN  YOU LOOK AT THE COLORS ON THE  MAP AND YOU SEE WHAT COULD BE  DEVELOPED WITHOUT BEING ABLE  TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE  COLORS.  >> AND ACTUALLY SEE THE JUICES  WHAT YOU HAVE TO SEE YOU HAVE  TO LOOK AT THE USE IT, I MEAN  THERE'S THERE'S NO OTHER WAY  TOO DETERMINE WHAT WOULD BE  ALLOWED THERE WITHOUT LOOKING  IT CHARTER DUE TO THAT FOR  MILE AND MOM HAVE AS WE SAID  WORDS. WE DON'T THE PROBLEM  REMOVING THE ITS THE COMP PLAN  YOU'VE ALREADY HAD FIRST  READING SO THAT WILL HAVE TO  BE CHANGED WHEN IT COMES BACK  FROM THE STATE WE CAN'T DO  THAT HAS TO STAY. SO IT CAN BE  CHANGED ON SECOND READING WILL  CAN KNOW OKAY WE'LL MAKE A  NOTE. I'M SURE COMMISSIONERS  WILL MAKE AND WE WILL MAKE  SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS ON  SECOND READING BUT WE CAN  CHANGE IT ON ULDC FOR FIRST  READING ALL THANK YOU. YEAH, I  MEAN FOR THE FOR THE THAT'S  THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE  COMMISSION WE CAN CERTAINLY  MAKE HAPPEN. OKAY. THANK YOU  THANK VERY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> CONSENSUS ALL YES.  >> THANK YOU THIS MOVE HIGH  TOMORROW. AND SO MY COACH.  >> LIKE TO GET CONSENSUS TO  REMOVE THE HALF MILE AND MILE  AND A HALF REFERENCE IN THE  ULDC THROUGHOUT THAT DOCUMENT  AND AT SECOND READING OF THE  COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.  >> EXPERIENCE  >> MAYOR ZS LANGDON SAY YES  DALLAS, A YES.  >> COMMISSIONER EMERGE EMMERT  YES  >> GREAT CONVERSATION. THANK  YOU. SHE WANTED TO GO NOW. ALL  THOSE THINGS OFF THE LIST NOW  HOLY COW. THANK YOU. ALL  RIGHT.  >> THIS IS A COMBINATION  FUTURE LAND USE AND ULDC  QUESTION AND I JUST NEED SOME  CLARITY CAUSE AS I WAS  PROCESSING TUESDAY NIGHT'S  MEETING SOMETIME WEDNESDAY OR  THURSDAY. AND THEN REVIEWING  THIS ULDC. I WANT TO MAKE SURE  THERE'S NO CONFLICT. COMP  PLAN. MEDIUM DENSITY CORRIDOR.  >> ALLOWS.  >> FOR COMMERCIAL. ORDER A  TRANSITIONAL RESIDENTIAL  >> RESIDENTIAL 3 ENVIRONMENTAL  OKAY. THE SEA. AS NATION DOES  NOT ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY  DETACHED HOWEVER. OUR 2 DOES  ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED  RESIDENTIAL.  >> AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE  SURE BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN  SAYS THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO  BE FROM IT'D ZONING USES. ARE  CHARGES SAYING NO YOU CAN'T  HAVE IT I WANT TO MAKE SURE  THERE IS 0 BETWEEN THE COMP  PLAN AND ALLOW DETACHED  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THE ART  TO ZONING DISTRICT. LOOKING UP  DOES THAT THAT GENERAL  STATEMENT THE COMP PLAN IS  LARGE UMBRELLA THAT CANNED  SAY.  >> THE DOOR IS OPEN FOR YOU TO  HAVE CERTAIN USE YOU'LL BE  SEEING CAN HEIGHTEN THAT SAY  BY WRITE YOUR OWN WITHOUT  HOWEVER.  YOU WANT TO GET WHAT TO ASK  PERMISSION. TO DO OTHER USES  MAIMED IN NEED. IN THE PAST  FOR A REASON ON A BOARD IS  LOOKING IT. THE IS TALKING  ABOUT SOMETIMES THE COP I WILL  SAY YOU CAN HAVE. MAYBE IN  DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND YOU  CAN AFFORD OR YOU CAN RECORD A  TRANSITIONAL BUT WE'VE GOT  THINGS ON STAGE 65 ONLY ZONING  DISTRICT THAT IT IDENTIFIED  ORDER TRANSITIONAL YOU HAVE TO  ASK OR A REZONING TO GET THOSE  OTHER USES ON A CASE.  >> I HOPE I ARTICULATED THAT  WELL ENOUGH ABOUT THE T.  >> ZONING. AND WE ARE TOO AS  IT RELATES TO CONFLICT.  >> IT IS CORRECT IN MEDIUM  DENSITY CORRIDOR IN THE COMP  PLAN. THERE ARE DISTRICTS THAT  ARE ALLOWED AND THAT DOESN'T  INCLUDE PRESIDENTIAL MEETING  AND ARE TOO. YOU HAVE A MEDIAN  THAT CITY CORRIDOR DESIGNATION  IT A C ZONING DISTRICT. AS FOR  ALL OF US. IF SOMEONE WANTED  REZONE DROUGHT ARE TOO. THANK  YOU AND THEN THEY WOULD BE  PREVENTED.  >> TO SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED  BECAUSE THERE THAT WINNING  ALLOWS IT.  >> TEAM. MEDIA OF THAT CITY  CORRIDOR IS YOUR FUTURE LAND  USE DESIGNATION. IT ALLOWS  ALSO ALLOWS OUR TO OR ARE  THREESOME.  >> SO WHILE YOU MIGHT HAVE  THAT MEETING IN THAT CITY  CORRIDOR DESIGNATION. YOU  MIGHT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL  ZONING DISTRICT. I'M NOT  RESIDENTIAL. IT'S ALLOWED  UNDER DESCRIPTION FROM CITY  CORRIDOR HATE THAT NEW CAMPS  OVER US ACTUAL. SO AS LONG AS  YOU'RE ZONING DESIGNATION  ALLOWS THE USE THAT YOU'RE  PROPOSING. AND IT'S IT'S SPENT  WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE  DISTRICT WHICH PROPERTY IS  LOCATED. IT'S PERMITS. AND AS  A GENERAL SOMETIMES THE COP  LAND CAN BE LESS RESTRICTIVE  AND THE TIMING THIS AND  THERE'S MANY COMPONENTS IN  THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT  ARE LESS RESTRICTIVE AND THE  ULDC AND THAT'S BY DESIGN. SO  THAT YOU CAN. REQUEST WAIVER  TO SOMETHING BUT YOU CAN'T WAY  THAT AWAY COMPLETELY. I'M NOT  SURE AND WHAT WHAT YOU ARE  CONCERNED WITH THE DISCONNECT  BECAUSE. YOU CAN HAVE MORE  RESPECTED PHONE IN ACTION. AND  THERE YOU ARE AND YOUR CALL.  THAT'S NOT A WHEN THE OFFICE  AND HELP US. YOU CAN AND  ALREADY.  >> COUPLE CITIZENS WERE  WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY  WERE STILL ABLE TO BUILD THEIR  SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN. OUR  EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT'S  DESIGNATED AS THE INTENSITY OR  >> RIGHT SO NEWS RIGHT SO AND  I JUST WANTED IT. RECORD SO  EVERYBODY COULD HEAR IT. YOU  SAID YEAH AND IT'S NOT YOU  LAURIE, IT'S THE TEXT SAYS  YES. WE JUST WANTED  CLARIFICATION AND CONFIRMATION  FROM YOU LORI.  >> THIS ONE. I JUST NEED TO  MAKE SURE PAGE ONE 75. BECAUSE  I'VE HAD A CITIZEN REACH OUT  TO ME ABOUT THIS ISSUE. WHEN  75 IS TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING.  I HOPE JULIE ISN'T CATCHING  WHAT I'M WAS QUESTIONING WHEN  75 IS TALKING ABOUT THE  LIGHTING. AND HOW IT HAS TO BE  LIKE I'M DIMMER SWITCHES IT  CAN'T TAP FLOODLIGHTS THAT  KINDA STUFF. IF YOU LOOK AT.  THE LIGHT FIXTURES. AS THIS.  DOES THIS COLD ALSO APPLY TO  SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.  >> WELL EXEMPT FROM. THESE  RIGHT. STANDARDS IS ART OR NEW  CONSTRUCTION. MULTI-FAMILY IS  AND NOT REMEMBER, WE TOP THE  INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY  MAINTENANCE CODE. AND WE CAN  REGULATE LIGHTING THROUGH THE  INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY  MAINTENANCE CODE FOR WANTING  TO FAMILY. POSSIBLE.  >> TO SOMETHING IN THIS YOU  WILL BE SEEN THAT REGULATES  THE FLOODLIGHTS. ARE GOING  FROM. MICHAEL'S HOUSE MY  BACKYARD AND INTO MY HOUSE IN  MICE ULDC I.  >> I WOULD NOT DO IT IN THE  ULDC IF I WANT THAT IT BEING  THE PART OF THE CITY CODE THAT  SECTION FOR PROPERTY STANDARDS  WHERE WE HAVE TO BE  INTERNATIONAL RIGHT. SO PUT IT  ON MY I'VE HAD A LOT OF  CITIZENS THAT ARE HAVING  PROBLEMS WITH THEIR THEIR  NEIGHBORS FLOODLIGHTS COMING  IN TO BEAR HOUT INSIDE THEIR  HOUSE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE  FLOOD LIGHTS FROM LOSS AND  NEXT DOOR WAS NOTHING THAT  OKAY. THIS IS A QUESTION  REALLY FOR CHIEF IF YOU STILL  HEAR FIRE CHIEF.  >> A CHAPTER FORCE ARTICLE 4  IS ABOUT FIRE SAFETY.  >> FIRE SAFETY CODE CHANGED  CONSIDERABLY. FIRST DISCUSSION  AND QUITE POSSIBLY SECOND  DISCUSSION. AND UNTIL WHAT WE  SEE BEFORE US TODAY.  >> I COULD PROBABLY ANSWER THE  FIRST PART. OKAY, SO RIGHT NOW  THE ULDC. LAND DEVELOPMENT  REGULATIONS REGARDING NEW  CONSTRUCTION FIRE SAFETY. AND.  PROVISIONS REALLY ARE MORE  APPROPRIATE AND CITY CODE. ONE  OF MONTHS WILL BE COMMENT  WHERE THE ULDC ADOPTION.  >> THAT'S HOW ALL OF THOSE  PROVISIONS. THE FIRE MARSHAL  FIRE CHIEF WANTED PULLED OUT  OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT  REGULATIONS AND INTO THE WHAT  WE SEE IS  >> THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEM  OVER EITHER CAN PROBABLY  EXPAND ON THAT IF YOUR BEST SO  OK  >> BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST  TALKED ABOUT FIRE CODE THE  ENTIRE FIRE CLOSES GOING INTO  THE CITY CODE AND THEN WHEN WE  HAD OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ABOUT  CHAPTER 4 IT WAS LIKE NO NO NO  WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN THE  ULDC. THAT WAS THE CODE THAT  THAT WAS BEING DRAFTED AT THAT  TIME KNOWING THAT NOW THAT  CODE COMPLETELY CHANGED  HOPELINE SINGER EVERYTHING.  AND NOW I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE  GOING TO HAVE IT IN TO GET  SMILE, REALLY CONFUSED. WHAT'S  HAPPENING WITH OUR FIRE CO.  >> SO I CAN I I I'M GOING TO  GIVE YOU COUPLE BASED ON  SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT  FROM THE AND MISTER MARIANI  EXPAND BANKS UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE ARE  MOVING. ULDC ASSOCIATED CITY  ARE DONE ON THAT. IS VESSEL  REGULATION. WE'RE IN BUBBLE  REGULATIONS. I AND THEN.  VESSELS DRESSES ALLOWANCES TO  MORDOR EARNHARDT K'S I WANT TO  SUPPORT THAT IS NOT A LAND  DEVELOPMENT REGULATION. MR.  AFTER INCORPORATES REGULATIONS  AS TO HOW DOESN'T THAT CANOPY  ROAD STOP. CANOPY GROWTH SOUND  AS NOT A LAND DEVELOPMENT  REGULATION. ANYTHING THAT NOT.  REGULATION UP DEVELOPMENT OF  >> ALONG AND THE WILD. ALONG  WITH WHAT YOU SEE FIRE SAFETY  SECTION LET'S MOVE INTO THE  CITY CODE EYES TO ALL  BUILDINGS. IN SO.  >> SINCE YOU OPENED THAT DOOR.  THE MORE MARINE VESSEL  REGULATIONS. THERE'S A PORTION  THAT PERTAINS TO ADOPT THAT  SOME ANALYSTS THAT'S A WELL  HE'S OKAY. THAT'S ONE OF  QUESTIONS. WHAT IS IN THE ULDC  NOW HAS THAT MET ALL OF THE  FIRE DEPARTMENT'S NEEDS OR  REGULATIONS FOR LAND  DEVELOPMENT IN THIS ULDC. AND  YOU GUYS HAVE REVIEWED ITS  EARLY IN EVERYBODY IN YOUR  DEPARTMENT'S CHECKED IT ALL  OUT AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD.  >> SEASON. HAVE YOU TIME ON  THAT AND THESE ARE THE  RECOMMENDATIONS MADE SO ALL TO  ACTUALLY A LOT OF THE ULDC  TEMP 60. IN 2. LOT OF CHANGES  MISSING COBRA I NOT. SORRY.  >> HE'S WORK WITH THE MAKE  SURE THAT WE COME TO FRUITION  BASED ON WE ACCIDENT.  APPRECIATE THAT CONFIRMATION.  >> AND THE EXPLANATION ABOUT  HOW IT'S GOING TO BE IN 2  DIFFERENT PLACES.  >> THE CHAMBER SENT A LETTER.  >> WITH SOME SUGGESTED CHANGES  TO SIGNS I DON'T KNOW IF  ANYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE TO  REVIEW IT IF STAFF IT I GOT  IT. LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON. I I  WILL ADMIT I DON'T QUITE  UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT  THEY'RE REQUESTING.  >> I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND  THE TRICKLE DESIGN OF SIGNS  AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT HAS  STAFFING YOU SOME OF THEIR  SUGGESTIONS SEEMED LIKE TO BE.  OKAY NOT A BIG THAT BIG DEAL.  TO ME NOT A BIG DEAL. BUT I  JUST WANT ONE MAKE SURE THAT  THEY GET CAPTURED. OR 2 IF  THEY ARE A BIG DEAL WE NEED TO  HAVE A DISCUSSION OR.  >> WE WE MEET WITH THE. TO  WEEK SOME OF THESE ITEMS THEY  DID MENTION TO IN OUR MEETING.  SOME OF THEM THEY DID NOT.  THEY ARE ITEMS MIGHT CONSIDER  INCORPORATING. HOWEVER THERE  ARE SOME THAT WE'RE NOT  NECESSARILY. THAT WE'RE NOT  NECESSARILY IN AGREEMENT WITH  NOT SURE THAT YOU KNOW GOING  THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE  WITHOUT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO.  >> ONLY GOT IS IT'S SOMETHING  THAT WE'VE WE.  >> ENVISION DOING BUT I CAN  TELL YOU OVERALL. OVERALL JUST  THE MESSAGE THE TAKEAWAY WE  TEST WITH THEIR CONCERNED  ABOUT THE SEPARATION BETWEEN  FIND CASES. WE'VE GOT A  MAXIMUM OF 18 INCHES. WHEN YOU  HAVE A FREESTANDING WE'VE GOT  A MAXIMUM OF 18 INCHES. ONE OF  THE GENTLEMAN ON THE CHAMBER,  KYLE IS A SIGN ON.  >> ON TOP HER. HE WANTED 24.  >> I KNOW OF NO OTHER  COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE A 24 IN  SEPARATION OR I SEE MANY SIGNS  THAT CLEARLY TO BE MORE THAN  12 INCHES APART. FOR A TEAM  THAT MOST THROUGHOUT PORT AND  PORT CHARLOTTE, ONE OF THE  OTHER COMMENTS WAS THAT ARE  SIGNED ALLOWANCES WERE TOO  SMALL. SOME OF THE MAXIMUMS  MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OUR  POOR FREIGHTED AND THIS  DOCUMENT SOME OF CAME FROM  NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND WE  BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THAT  STANCE NOT ESPECIALLY WHEN  THERE ARE SPECIAL CONDITIONS  OF VARIANCE THE REQUEST. DAYS  OF WAVING. REGULATIONS OR OVER  IF YOU DON'T NEED THE CODE YOU  CAN ASK FOR A VARIANCE I THE  CRITERIA IN THE COUNT. AND  THAT'S THAT'S THE DUE PROCESS  THERE. THE SIGN HEIGHTS. OUR  DRAFT LIMITS TO 15 FEET. HEART  GOES OUT 25 BUT ON ON THE  ROAD, 45 MILES AN HOUR OR  GREATER. THAT'S ONE THAT WE  WOULD CONSIDER THAT THE REST  OF THEM WE NEED TO REVIEW IN  FURTHER DETAIL BEFORE WE  COULD. GIVE SOME  RECOMMENDATIONS ON THEM.  >> IF YOU WHAT WE COULD DO IS  HAVE STAFF WHEN GET A  CONSENSUS AND I DON'T KNOW IF  ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO HAVE THE  DISCUSSION BUT MAYBE WE COULD  HAVE STAFF REVIEW SEND US A  MEMO.  >> WITH THERE.  >> YES YOUR IN FAVOR OF IT NO  WE'RE NOT SURE HE HEARS A  COMPROMISE. THAT WOULD THEN  WEEK BECAUSE IT IS UNFAIR TO  ASK YOU TO REVIEW SOMETHING  THAT I MYSELF EVEN RECEIVED 3  O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY THAT I CAN'T  MAKE HEADS OR TAILS OUT OF. SO  IF IF MAYBE WE CAN GET  CONSENSUS TO HALF STAFF REVIEW  THE CHAMBER'S LETTER.  >> WITH THEIR SUGGESTIONS.  >> AND.  >> RESPOND TO COMMISSION. WITH  THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.  >> WHAT THAT WORK. HAPPY TO DO  THAT.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, I  GUESS YOUR GUESS YES. I MEAN,  YES ALSO THINK THAT IF OF  COURSE, THINK GOES WITHOUT  SAYING, BUT I AGREE AND WANT  TO MAKE THEIR WHITE YES. YEAH,  THAT WAS VICE MAYOR  COMMISSIONER AMBRIDGE. WE ARE  ALL SIGNS. CAN YOU GIVE ME  EXAMPLE. STUCK ON THIS LIMITED  DURATION SIGNS AND TEMPORARY  SIGNS AND STOP THE ONLY  DIFFERENCE I CAN SEE IS ONE IS  30 DAYS AND ONE IS A 180 DAYS.  SO CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME  EXAMPLES OF WHAT OUR LIMITED  DURATION SIGNS. AND WHAT OUR  TEMPERATURES.  >> A PERSON'S ARE WOMEN THAT  TOO. RESIDENTIAL USES ONLINE.  30 DAYS A PAUSES MY SPECIAL MY  GRAND  >> I CLOSE. WASN'T HAPPY.  ♪ ♪ STARTS. RESPONSE CAN TERM STOP  RIGHT THERE.  >> AND THE DEFINITION. IT DOES  NOT SAY TEMPORARY SIGNS OR FOR  NON RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT  COULD BE EXACTLY WHY I'M NOT  UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCES.  IT'S INFORMATIONAL DISPLAY. 9  PERMANENT SIGN ON PRIVATE  PROPERTY NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS.  >> IF IF THAT'S THE IF IF  THAT'S THE CLARITY THAT YOU  NEED IN THE DEFINITION TO  MAKE. HOW UNDERSTANDING. I DO  HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT. IT IS  UNDER THE SIGN STANDARDS WHERE  THE TEMPORARY SIGNS ARE  LIMITED TO NON RESIDENTIAL  USES.  >> IT COULD YOU POP THE SCREEN  PLACE. SO IT IS AND THE  REGULATIONS THAT THEY ARE ONLY  4. NONRESIDENTIAL USES PAGES  THAT ON. TO 35 WITH CAN SEE I  WAS JUST MENTION I CAN ADD OR  4 NONRESIDENTIAL ONLY YEARS  THE SECTION. BY 3.1 POINTS. IF  YOU'RE A SHUNS TIMES. ARE  SIGNS LIKE OUR SON ALEX  RELEASED EYES.  >> SIGNS ADVERTISE IN THE  CONTRACTOR WHO'S BUILT A NEW  HOUSE. RAMON AND ONE'S  POLITICAL CANDIDATE WHICH WE  CANNOT CALL POLITICAL TIME ON  THE LONGER. SO THAT'S OUR  LIMITED DURATION SIGNS AND  THEY ARE PERMISSIBLE UP TO A  180 BEFORE THEY'RE CONSIDERED  A PROMINENT SIGN. SOME ON THE  OUT THAT'S I LOVE COMMISSIONER  WELL I I. THIS COMMISSIONER.  THEY CAN HAVE THAT SIGN MONEY  THAT'S THAT'S A PERSONAL  EXPRESSIONS ON AND THAT IS  FREE SPEECH. THEY CAN ALSO  SIGN THAT I GRADUATE PORT MORE  ON THAT COULD PUT IT OUT THERE  IN APRIL AND THAT CAN LEAD  HEART HEALTH AND THAT THEY  WANT. SO THAT'S OUR LIMITED  RATIONS K.  >> SOME SOME.  >> YOU CAN CALL POLITICAL  SIGNS BUT THERE'S A CANDIDATE  RUNNING FOR OFFICE THAT  THEY'RE SIGN HAS BEEN UP  ALREADY AND THE ELECTION IS  FAR PAST THE 6 MONTHS. YEAH  180 DAYS 6 MONTHS THEY DID I  HAVE TO TAKE THAT I MEAN SO  IT'S HERE'S HERE'S HERE'S FROM  PARENTS ALL THIS IS NOT  EFFECTIVE YET THAT'S JUST  YOU'RE LIMITED DURATION SIGN.  >> HAS ALLOWED BETWEEN  ELECTION QUALIFYING AND THE  SUBSEQUENT ELECTION.  >> WELL WAS THAT SO.  >> THAT UNDER LIMITED DURATION  SIGNS ACTUALLY 3005.1. OKAY  SO.  >> AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A  SIGN ADVERTISING A CANDIDATE  CAN BE ASSIGNED WHATEVER THEY  WANT TO STAY. BUT THEY'RE  ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT EXTRA  TIME. I'M NOT HERE YET. THIS  YEAR THAT'S ALMOST.  >> ALL OF THE YEAR.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT  HOPEFULLY YOU JUST ADD THE. ON  RESIDENTIAL TO THAT DEFINITION  SO IT MATCHES. WHAT IS IN.  WHAT BURIED IN THE MINUTIAE. I  HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO  REVIEW EVERYTHING IN THIS  DOCUMENT, ESPECIALLY THE  DEFINITIONS BUT THE FIRST ONE  I WENT TO ACTUALLY THERE WERE  2 THAT I WENT TO CHECK  IMMEDIATELY. FIRST ONE WAS THE  DEFINITION OF A PARK. AND THE  SECOND ONE WAS A DEFINITION OF  WATERFRONT. OUR COUSIN THEY'RE  THE WATERFRONT IS NOT AND WE  ALREADY ESTABLISHED THERE'S A  HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WATERFRONT  BETWEEN. ONCE A CREEK LAKE  DITCH ANNIKA NOW.  >> I REALLY HOPE THAT GUYS  MIGHT CONSIDER ADDING  WATERFRONT AND IF YOU NEED A  CONSENSUS FROM MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS OF THE HAPPY  DESK. LA TYPES ARE DESCRIBED  SHOP TOO. RULES MEASUREMENT.  AND WE DO TALK ABOUT. WATER  FRONT YARDS. AND WE HAVE A  VERY DETAILED GRAPHIC. IT  TALKS ABOUT. WATER FRONT  YARDS. AND THAT INDICATES.  WHAT A WATER FRONT YARD IS.  STAFF WOULD PREFER TO KEEP  THIS UNDER THE RULES OF  MEASUREMENT RATHER THAN  INCORPORATING IT IN THE  DEFINITIONS THIS IS EASY  REFERENCE FOR ANYONE TO GO TO.  >> FOR THEIR ROLES OF  MEASUREMENT AND QUITE FRANKLY  UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT  THE STOP ACT. WATER YARDS.  MEANING OF WHICH IS NOT REALLY  APPLICABLE AND ANY OTHER WHAT  WE WANT TO AVOID IS WE WANT  AVOID DESCRIPTION OR A  DEFINITION DESCRIPTION OR AN  OFFICIAL ON THE PANDEMIC'S AND  IN THE FUTURE ONE GETS CHANGED  THE OTHER DOESN'T AND WE HAVE  A COUGH.  >> AND WHEN I WENT TO MARY  INDEX. THE DICTIONARY MARION  BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEFINED IN I  SAW IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE  DICTIONARY. IT SAYS ANY  PROPERTY. FRONTING WANT TO.  >> RIGHT AND THAT'S WHY WE I I  REALLY.  >> I COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAS  RELIED ON SO FEEL, BUT I DO  HAVE JUST A FEW OTHER ONES.  WINDING DOWN THANK YOU VERY  MUCH I IT.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR PAIGE TO  69. AND A TEAM PROTECTION  REGULATIONS. I'M SEEING THE  AREA OF. HIGH USE OF OUR  MANATEES. AND ONE  MINERAL SPRINGS A SPEEDING.  RIGHT INTO THAT AREA  >> MY QUESTION YES.  >> I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM  PARKS AND REC HERE BUT. FROM  MY RECOLLECTION ON AVERAGE WE  HAVE ABOUT 2 TO 300 BAY, THERE  IS AND ONE MINERAL SPRINGS AT  ANY ONE TIME. I THINK THAT'S  PROBABLY PRETTY ACCURATE. ONLY  BEEN THERE ONCE BUT MY  OBSERVATION AND WHEN I WAS  THERE THE BAY THERE IS WERE IN  THERE FOR HOURS WITHOUT  LEAVING. I MEAN I HATE TO  BRING THIS UP BUT WE CAN ONLY  HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND A  PUBLIC FORUM SO I CAN ONLY  CONCLUDE PEOPLE ARE PEEING IN  THE POOL. LET'S JUST GET THAT  OUT THERE. SO KNOWING THAT I  KNOW WE TEST THE WATER TO MAKE  SURE SAFE FOR BATHERS. AND WE  KNOW THAT THE SPRING  REGENERATE ITSELF WATER WAS  EVERY 24 HOURS. MY QUESTION  IS. DO WE TEST THE WATER  LEAVING WARM MINERAL SPRINGS.  >> I WOULD TO SOMEONE FROM  PARKS, IRAQ OR SO WORK LOT AS  ON THE RECORD I DO KNOW THE  ANSWER TO A QUESTION WHAT WE  DID TEST YOU KNOW OFF NO I'M  NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF MY BOSS,  THE QUESTION AND I HEARD NOW,  I'M WONDERING  >> MAYBE WE CAN STAFF DOWN.  THANKS SOMEONE'S KNOW CALL IT  WILL BE TOO THAT IT'S WRITTEN  ALL THAT WITH YOU JUST THAT MY  POINT IS IF WE DON'T. TEST OUT  FALL OF OF ONE MINERAL  SPRINGS. I'M REALLY CONCERNED  THAT WE'RE DUMPING UNTREATED.  SO AND TO THAT AREA AND. I'M  NOT A WATER EXPERT, BUT IT  KIND OF LOOKS TO ME THAT IT  WOULD BE FLOWING RIGHT INTO  THAT MANATEE AREA NOW I KNOW  WITH WE'VE DONE SOMETHING. YOU  KNOW THE. FLORIDA FISH AND  WILDLIFE THAT HAS DREDGED IN  THAT KIND OF THING. AND RIGHT  NOW WOMAN OR A SPRINGS IS  CLOSED BECAUSE OF. SOME ISSUES  RIGHT I'M REALLY CONCERNED  ABOUT THE OUTFLOW ONE THAT ARE  ALL SPRINGS, SO I DON'T KNOW  IF WE NEED A CONSENSUS BUT I I  REALLY LOVE TO HAVE THAT  CONVERSATION. TALK ABOUT THAT  I MEAN MOST OF THE SPRINGS  THAT I'M AWARE THE WATER IS  PUMPED OUT OF THE SPRINGS INTO  POOLS, SO YOU DON'T BODIES YE  OKAY, SHE RAN SHE  >> THANK  >> ARTS FOR ASIAN DOCTOR SANDY  500 AS ALWAYS RUNNING DOWN  HERE PLEASE REMIND ME OF THE  CATCHER WE TEST THE WATER  QUALITY AND WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS ITSELF TO MAKE SURE  IT'S SAFE FOR THE BAY, THERE  IS.  >> BUT THE WATER REGENERATE  ITSELF EVERY 24 HOURS SO THE  WATER AND AND I JUST  ESTABLISHED THAT PEOPLE ARE  PAYING FOR. SO AS THE WATER  LEAVES THE SPRINGS AT ANY  POINT BETWEEN ONE MINERAL  SPRINGS. AND THE INTENSIVE USE  AREA OF THE MANATEES ARE  RETESTING THAT WATER.  >> WE'RE NOT WE'RE TESTING FOR  AREAS WITHIN SPRINGS ON OUR  PROPERTY. OKAY. WE'RE ALSO I'M  REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.  >> BECAUSE POTENTIALLY  UNTREATED SEWER WATER. IT'S  COMING OUT OF THE SPRINGS AND  GOING INTO THAT MANATEE  PROTECTED AREA.  >> I DON'T HAVE A A.  >> CONSENSUS FOR I'M NOT QUITE  SURE WHAT THE CONSENSUS WOULD  BE OTHER THAN FOR STAFF TO  COME BACK WITH A  RECOMMENDATION. ABOUT HOW WE  PROCEED, BUT THAT CAUSE I'M  I'M REALLY CONCERNED SO THE  TESTING THAT WE DO IS SIMILAR  TO WHAT'S AT THE AREA  >> AND SO IF THERE WAS ANOMALY  THAT INFORMATION WOULD GO TO  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.  >> AND THEN  >> PARK WOULD BE CLOSED UNTIL  THOSE LEVELS GOT BACK TO  WITHIN NORMAL RANGES. I'M NOT  POSTURING. IT'S GOING  ACCOMPLISH.  >> BUT I'M NOT SURE TESTING AT  THE BEACHES ALLOWS FOR WORKING  UPSTREAM TO SEE THE SO US. AND  AGAIN THERE ARE ALSO LOTS OF  SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THIS AREA SO  MIGHT BE A LITTLE HARD TO  ISOLATE JUST AS I WAS READING  THROUGH THIS IT SO THEY HIT  ME. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE ALWAYS  WORRY ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING  TO MINERAL SPRINGS, I'M A  LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT THAT WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS IS DOING SO  THE AREAS. FLOW FROM IT.  >> THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE  WOULD DO THAT TESTING NOT BE  SOMETHING THAT WE DO IN  CONJUNCTION WITH.  >> WHAT EVER. BODY OF  OWNERSHIP BECAUSE ONLY OUTFLOW  CAN NOW BRINGS ITSELF  OUTSPOKEN NOW.  >> UP TO THAT PIPE ARE ON OUR  PROPERTY. AND WE TEST THE  OUTFLOW CAN NOW WE TESTED 4  DIFFERENT AREAS, OKAY. ARE WE  COMFORTABLE AS MISSUS WONG  COMFORTABLE THAT THAT'S  SUFFICIENT TO MONITOR.  >> THE LACK THEREOF OF THE  WATER COMING FROM ONE OF  SPRINGS ON OUT. THERE'S NO  TESTING REQUIRED.  >> WE OUR VOLUNTEER EARLY  TESTING OR DIFFERENT AREAS.  >> THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT I  ASKED.  >> I UNDERSTAND SO FOR HER TO  SAY WHETHER SHE'S COMFORTABLE  WITH OR NOT THERE'S NOT A  REQUIREMENT.  >> OKAY, WELL I'D LIKE TO I  THINK MAKE A CONSENSUS AND I'M  NOT QUITE SURE WHO THE RIGHT  PERSON IS IF IT'S  STAFF COME BACK WITH A  RECOMMENDATION OF.  >> HOW WE. EVALUATE. WHATEVER  NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT  THE IMPACT OF  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS OUTFLOW.  WHAT WE DID HEAR THAT.  >> THERE WAS REPORT. DONE  UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL  SERVICE AND WAS DONE IN  CONJUNCTION WITH SARASOTA  COUNTY CITY OF NORTH ART AND  USGS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE  WOULD NEED TO GO OUT SECURE.  THE SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR THAT  IT WOULD BE A PRETTY  INTENSIVE. ANALYSIS.  >> FOR THE RECORD JULIANA  BLISS AND CITY MANAGER WE'VE  ACTUALLY BEEN DEALING WITH  THIS FOR MANY YEARS WITH  PUBLIC WORKS IN THE SANDY  SAYS.  >> NOT A LOCAL LEVEL BUT  HEALTH DEPARTMENT LEVEL THE  STATE LEVEL USGS ARMY CORPS OF  ENGINEERS BECAUSE WHERE THE  WATER CENTER AND GOES. BUT YOU  KNOW GOES OUT. THE TESTING  WE'RE DOING SHE'S CORRECT.  IT'S IT'S JUST COMPLETELY  VOLUNTEER IT'S NOTHING THAT'S  REQUIRED. A PUBLIC EDUCATION  NO DIFFERENT THAN A BEACH. TRY  TO THE PART THAT PATRONS TO  USE THE RESTROOM FACILITIES  THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY RENTING  BUT SO FAR LEVELS ARE GOOD AND  SHE'S RIGHT THE HEALTH  DEPARTMENT WILL SHUT IT DOWN  IF THAT THEY'RE TOO HIGH TO  THE LEVELS COME DOWN THE ONLY  WAY FOR THAT IS GOING TO BE  PEAK THAT PEOPLE DON'T USE THE  RESTROOM IN THE SPRINGS. BUT  WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING ABOVE  AND BEYOND WHAT WE COULD BE  DOING. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S  BEYOND US IT WITH OTHER  AGENCIES. HAVE TN NOW TO THE  STATE AND THE ARMY AND USGS  ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. BUT  THUS FAR WE WORK WITH THEM ALL  THE TIME THEY JUST COMPLETED  THE SWITCHED ON. I THE AWFUL  AREA.  >> BUT THAT WE WOULD BE THE  FIRST THAT THEY WOULD CONTACT  AND WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO  SHUT DOWN SO RIGHT NOW OUR  LEVELS ARE GOOD. I BELIEVE  SIGNS POSTED NOT TO USE THE  RESTROOM IN THE SPRING. SO 8  THEM WITH THE TEMPORARY  RESTROOM FACILITIES,  ENCOURAGING THEM. YOU THAT'S  WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO  TRY TO ENCOURAGE THEM NOT TO  USE THE RESTROOM IN THE  SPRING.  >> I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP  ANY MORE TIME HERE TODAY ON  TIME BACKED UP. I'M GOING TO  BE FOLLOWING UP TO TALK A  LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE  MIGHT WANT TO DO I HAVE ONLY  ONE OTHER QUESTION CAN I  PIGGYBACK OFF YOUR REAL QUICK  CHOICE YOU JUST BROUGHT UP  ABOUT  >> CARS WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  FROM THE MYAKKA RIVER. I  BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A  TRIBUTARY SO HOW MANY MILES  WOULD YOU SAY IT IS 3 FOR  >> OTHER THAN THAT.  >> I DON'T KNOW EITHER, BUT I  CAN MEASURE IT FOR YOU.  >> SO I TRIED TO MEASURE IT  BUT IT QUICKLY ADDING IT'S  HARD MEASURE SQUIGGLES WITH A  STRAIGHT LINE.  >> I'M I'M ESTIMATING IT BE  ABOUT 6 MILES. BUT POINT THAT  I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IT IS.  UNFORTUNATELY PEOPLE HAVE THE  SAME ISSUE AT A BEACH. FAR  MORE PEOPLE ARE AT A BEACH AND  THERE'S FAR MORE WILDLIFE AT  ♪ THE BEACH AND.  >> BIGGER WATER I GET IT IT'S  MUCH BETTER WATER I HEAR YOUR  POINT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND  PEOPLE THAT HAS ITS BILL TREE  AS IT'S  ♪ >> GOING DOWN TO THERE IS ALSO  FILTERING. IT IS A FILTRATION  TYPE SYSTEM NOT NOT SAYING  IT'S CORRECT OR ITS. THE RIGHT  THING TO DO. UNFORTUNATELY WE  HAVE A LOT OF CULTURES DON'T  RECOGNIZE OUR CULTURAL  DIFFERENCES WITH. DOESN'T MAKE  IT RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND TAKE  THIS COMMERCE ACT LIKE I HAVE  ONE OTHER QUESTION AND IT WAS  PAGE 11 RECREATION AND OPEN  SPACE.  >> OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF  SERVICE, IT'S 10 ACRES PER  ONE-THOUSAND RESIDENTS OUR  CONSERVATION AND OPEN LAND.  >> I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO GET MY  ARMS AROUND SITE. I CAN'T  QUITE. CALCULATED I I DID TRY  TO CALCULATE A VERY DANGEROUS  TO PUT A CALCULATOR IN MY  HANDS. THROUGH MY BEST  ESTIMATE.  I FIGURED THAT. IF WE FIGURE  ALL OF 39% OF OUR 104.  >> ACRES.  >> SHOULD BE.  >> PARKS.  >> SPACE AND CONSERVATION. SO  JUST TO MAKE IT EVEN SO SAFE.  IT'S 40.5 6 MAKE IT 39 OR 40.  I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT MY MATH  CORRECT. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY  AT 34. IT'S A LAST NUMBER I  HEARD SO IF MY MATH IS  CORRECT. WE HAVE 5% LEFT.  >> TO FULFILL OUR.  >> LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND I'M  NOT SURE 5% IS SUFFICIENT. FOR  TAKING CARE OF THE EAST SIDE  OF THE CITY. IN TERMS OF PARKS  AND OPEN LANDON, CONSERVATION.  >> SO I AM I AM I DON'T HAVE A  PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY. BUT WE WE  ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 FOR  THEM. 37%. THE LAST PARKS  MASTER PLAN AND OKAY TO WE A  LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS  THAT BY 2040 WE WOULD NEED 7  ADDITIONAL ACRES PARK SPACE.  HOWEVER THAT MASTERPLAN NOT  TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. THE  STATE OR OR OUR OR OUR SANDY  MAY HAVE SOME. MORE UP-TO-DATE  FIGURES.  >> WE'RE MORE ACCURATE. OTHER  THAN THOSE FEARS ARE A PRETTY  >> AND THAT IS WITH THE MASTER  PLAN IT STATED AND IT DID NOT  INCLUDE WE ONLY INCLUDED  PROPERTIES THAT WERE OWNED BY  THE CITY BUT DID NOT TAKE  THOSE INTO ANOTHER WAY THAT  IT, IT'S LOOKED AT THE PARKS  AND REC INDUSTRY IS THE  SERVICE AREA OF THE PARKS AND  THE WALKABILITY AROUND THOSE  PARKS AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT  IT WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT  PARK SYSTEM AT FORWARD WHO ARE  WE CURRENTLY SERVICING WHAT  AREAS ARE NOT BEING SERVICED.  AND THAT RADIUS.  >> IT'S JUST THAT THIS IS A  LAND USE. DOCUMENT SO THAT'S  HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT. AND OUR  LAND USES WE'RE ALMOST AT  LEVEL OF SERVICE. I UNDERSTAND  I'M NOT BEEN ON ORANGE HAMMOCK  BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME  VERY POPULAR HUNTING AREA. SO  IT IS BEING ACTIVELY USED FOR  RECREATION. GONE HIKING AND  PICNICKING IN THE STATE  FOREST. SO I KNOW THAT THAT  CURRENTLY USED FOR RECREATION.  SO IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED SO  AGAIN DON'T HAVE A MOTION I  JUST WANTED TO WEARING MASKS  ALL WORD. I THINK WE NEED  FIGURE IT OUT AND AND MAYBE  HOW WHERE EXPRESSING OUR  CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS  NOT REALLY SUFFICIENT WE NEED  TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW IF  IT'S SO MANY ACRES OF PARK. I  DON'T KNOW YOU'RE A LOT  SMARTER THAN ME IN THAT AREA  OF FIGURE IT OUT, BUT YOU KNOW  WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT.  >> I CAN I CAN OFFER A COUPLE  OF THINGS THAT ARE WE'VE BEEN  HAVING CONVERSATIONS. SANDY  ENTRE SHOW REGARDING LEVEL OF  SERVICE PART WE HAVE CAUGHT  EYE TO TRYING TO INCORPORATE  SOME UPDATES AND THE AND IN  THE ULDC WE'RE RUNNING INTO  THAT SAME ISSUE WITH C. WE  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE  PUT THIS TOGETHER RIGHT. SO  ONCE ALL OF THIS ULDC. REALLY  BRIGHT COMPLETED THAT'S ONE OF  THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO WORK  WITH STANDING ALONG WORKING ON  THE SERVICE AREA THAT SHOWS  WHERE WE HAVE GAPS IN OUR PARK  SPACE. OTHER I CAN SPEAK TO.  >> IT COULD YOU PUT THE SCREEN  A PLACE. IS AN R AND R UNIFIED  LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE ARE.  IT BY TYPE. WE'RE MOVING  TOWARD REQUIRING PARK SPACE  AND NEW RESIDENTIAL  SUBDIVISION.  >> THAT PARK SPACE DOESN'T  NECESSARILY NEED TO BE OPEN TO  THE PUBLIC, BUT IT'S THE  DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO MAKE  >> FOR REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.  BUT THE GATED COMMUNITY  PRIVATE. IT DOESN'T IT GOES  TOWARD OPEN SPACE GREETS US  WHAT AND THEY CHOOSE MAKING  OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR  RESIDENTIAL AND ON RUN UP TO  LEAD UP YOU'RE DOING THAT  NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PUBLIC  TOWARD OUR CAN CAUSE CLIMATE.  THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE OWN THE  PROPERTY ARE AT REQUIREMENT  IT. WE HAVE TO LEAVE THERE  ALSO HONEST ARMS VILLAGE.  THEY'RE CONTEMPLATING PUTTING  IN MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS THAT  WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR  PROGRAMMING. OR OUR LITTLE  SOCCER POSSIBLY CITY PARKING  LOT, I'LL GRANT. ALSO COULD GO  TOWARD OUR CAN CON  REQUIREMENTS AS LONG AS  AVAILABLE PUBLIC.  >> THAT SAID.  >> WHILE WE'RE HERE ON PARKS.  DEFINING SO IT'S VERY  DIFFICULT AND IT'S IT'S  CHALLENGING THERE MANY  DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT ARE  IS AND NOT WE HAVE RECREATION  AND RECREATION PASSES IN THE  DEFINITION SECTION. AND  CHAPTER 4.  >> WE HAVE DESCRIBED ALL THE  DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKS.  >> THAT CAN.  >> APPLY TOWARD YOUR PARK  SPACE REQUIREMENT AND BECAUSE  WE'VE BROKEN THESE TOWN INTO  VARIANCE CATEGORIES IT MAKES  DESCRIBING. WHAT MEETS THE  CHARACTERISTICS A PARK A WHOLE  LOT EASIER. SO WE'RE HOPEFUL  THAT THAT SATISFACTORY WE'VE  GOT EVERYTHING FROM CULTURAL  RESOURCES TO NATURAL RESOURCES  COMMUNITY PARTS TO GREENWAYS 2  GREENS NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS,  MANY PARTS PROCESS AND SQUARES  REGIONAL PARK SPECIALLY IS  FACILITIES LIKE PARKS. SPORTS  COMPLEX.  >> SO WE THINK WE'VE COVERED  IT ALL AND IF WE'VE PART IRAQ  HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE ANYTHING  ELSE.  >> AGAIN I'M NOT GOING ASK FOR  A CONSENSUS BECAUSE I KNOW ON  THOSE PFUNDHELLER IS GOING TO  BRING AND NEW OR UPDATED  MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS, BUT IT  WAS IT WAS JUST THE  OPPORTUNITY FOR ME DO ONCE  AGAIN PUT A LIGHT ON THE FACT  THAT WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE  TO OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF  SERVICE YET THE EAST END OF  TOWN AS WELL FULLY AND DISSENT  UNDERSERVED AND THIS REGARD SO  I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO  EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. I YIELD  OKAY. COMMISSIONER NOW SEE AND  YOU DON'T GO TOO FAR.  >> COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS THAT  I COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAID  THAT REMOVAL SPRINGS IS CLOSED  BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW THAT  COULD YOU ELABORATE.  >> THEY'RE ON SATURDAY.  >> THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH  WATER SERVICE. WITHOUT WATER.  >> THERE'S NO WATER WITHOUT  WATER. WE CANNOT BE ACCORDING  TO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH  REGULATIONS WE CLOSED TO 30 ON  SATURDAY. THEY FACT IN THE  LAST HALF HOUR I BELIEVE THEY  RESOLVE ISSUE. I WAS WITH THE  WELL. AND SO WE SHOULD BE  OPENING. TOMORROW.  >> UNDERSCORING THE NEED FOR  WATER AND SPRING WE'VE TALKING  ABOUT TRYING TO GET WATER AND  SEWER THERE SINCE WE TALKED  ABOUT MISTER FOR HIM. IT'S THE  BEGINNING STAGES OF MISTER  PLANNING WAS ONE OF THE TOP  MILITANTS. THANK YOU FOR THE  EXPLANATION, I JUST WANT TO TO  PROTECT. THAT'S  >> AND I HAVE PROVE I HAVE A  FEW MORE THAN ONCE. THERE'S A.  THERE'S A REALLY HELPFUL  DIAGRAM AND ULDC 53 1.82 THAT  SHOWS LIKE THE BUFFER WALL.  HOW MUCH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS  REQUIRED. THE EASEMENTS WALK  LINE OF THAT PROPERTY LINE LOT  LINE. AND I WAS REALLY HOPEFUL  THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO  CONSIDER PUTTING UPDATING THAT  AND PUTTING IT INTO THIS ULDC  THE ILLUSTRATION IS EXTREMELY  HELPFUL NOT JUST FOR. MOST  RATION PURPOSES, BUT IT KIND  OF PAINTS A PICTURE TO HELP  RESIDENTS AND THE DEVELOPERS  AND ALSO FUTURE STAND WHAT TAX  TO VERSUS WHAT'S OVERALL  SOMETIMES THE PICTURES  DEFINITELY SPEAKS A 1000  WORDS. IF YOU NEED UP COPY OF  WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE HAPPY TO  GIVE IT TO SINK AND PUT IT UP  ON  >> THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S  IT'S A VERY POOR QUALITY  DIAGRAM OR HI, YES, I'M. I'M  NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF  INVESTMENT OF TIME IT IT WOULD  TAKE TO GET THIS  >> IT WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY  TO UPDATE IT FOR YOU YOU'D  LIKE. I THINK A LOT HAS TO DO  WITH THE FUND THAT WAS USED  WHEN THEY DID THIS BUT THAT'S  NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT  I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO  UPDATE THE DIAGRAM IF YOU'D  LIKE.  >> SO SO IF WE UPDATED IT YOU  WANT TO PUT IT UP SO THAT THEY  CAN THAT'S WHAT NOT THAT'S  WHAT I'M WORKING ON. RIGHT SO  THE DIAGRAM, IT'S A HAND ON  TIME HIM, IT'S IT'S NOT  NECESSARILY CONSISTENT WITH  OUR CURRENT ARE CURRENTLY  DRAFTED OFFER REQUIREMENTS.  >> WE WOULD PREFER IF WE IF WE  ARE ABLE TO.  >> SOMETHING HOT AND IT'S.  >> MORE MODERN AND IN KEEPING  WITH OUR CURRENT BUFFER  REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE THE  PREFERENCE WE CAN DO THAT  BEFORE.  >> BEFORE FIRST READING WE BE  HAPPY TO DO IT IF NOT WE CAN  HAVE MORE. MORE DIAGRAMS TO  THE ULDC. LATER ON ESPECIALLY  IN AREAS WHERE WE FIND THAT  THERE'S DIFFICULTY IN  UNDERSTANDING. WE'RE  INTERPRETATION.  >> I REALLY THINK IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE NOT ONLY  THIS DIAGRAM BUT THE OTHER FOR  THE.  >> DOCK DESCRIPTION THAT  APPROVED. THAT WAS IN  SECTIONS, 1311.  >> THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE  INCLUDED STAFF SEEMED AMENABLE  AND I MADE THIS SUGGESTION.  >> YES, YES, WE ARE AMENABLE  WHERE FOR THE DOC WE DO NEED  TO MAKE SOME UPDATES. YOU FOR  IT TO BE IN KEEPING WITH  REGULATION.  >> SO MAYBE IF WE COULD GET A  CONSENSUS TO HALF-STAFF UPDATE  THE 2 DIAGRAMS. I MENTIONED  THE ONE 53 1.82, AND ALSO THE  OTHER 1311 AND INCLUDED WITH  FIRST READING. OKAY. AND  UPDATE ACCORDINGLY OF  >> RESPONSE GET TO YOUR YOUR  YES, I'M ASSUMING, YES, THE  SHORELINE IN.  >> NOW. I JUST REALLY DON'T.  WHAT A DEAL.  >> SORRY I'M A NO.  >> I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE  STAFF DIRECTION ON SOMETHING  THAT IT'S JUST DESIGN AND I  THINK I HEARD THAT STAFF TAKE  CARE OF THEM SO I THINK WE  WILL.  >> WE DEFINITELY WILL. WE DO  WANT TO UPDATE BASED CURRENT.  QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF IT TAKES.  EITHER. DO TEND TO LIKE TO DO  THEM BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT THE  REGULATIONS ARE GOING TO BE  THE CAUSE AND WE MAY HAVE TO  UPDATE TIMES.  >> IN IN IN.  >> ALL THE UPDATES HE'S TYPES  OF REGULATIONS. WE'RE DOING UP  ONLY LIGHT WHERE WE THINK  THERE'S BENEFIT TO HAVING  NUMEROUS DIAGRAMS LOT OF TIMES  AFTER THE COVID ADOPTED WE  WILL GOING TO SEE WHERE BY  GRANTS WOULD BE HELPFUL AND  THEN WE'LL JUST BRING THE  WHOLE PACKAGE OF DIAGRAMS BACK  FOR ADOPTION. AND INCLUSION  INTO THE CODE IS IT GIVES US  TIME NUMBER ONE. IF YOU HAVE  CHANGES AT SECOND READING WE  DIDN'T HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND  UPDATE AS IS THAT GRANDSON IF  WE'RE USING A GRAPHIC DESIGNER  GRAPHIC DESIGN ASSISTANCE TO  DO THAT COULD BE A COST. SO  WE'D LIKE TO MINIMIZE THAT. SO  THAT WAY WE KNOW WHAT THE  REGULATIONS ARE. BUT IT ALSO  GIVES US TIME TO PUT THAT  PACKAGE TOGETHER AND THROUGH  THE AND SEE WHERE THOSE  DIAGRAMS MAY BE USEFUL. I'M  NOT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT  FOR STAFF BE USEFUL WELL. BUT  A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL BRING  THAT BACK AS A SEPARATE  PACKAGE. AFTER THE CODE HAS  ADOPTED IN IT JUST  INCORPORATED IT'S JUST I DON'T  KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TIME TO  DO IT RIGHT OR FIRST READING.  AND I'D HATE TO MAKE THAT  PROMISE AND THEN  >> OKAY THANKS FOR CLARIFYING  THAT FOR BRINGING THAT UP  ABOUT THESE THE SPECIFICS OF  DEALING WITH THE LEGAL  DOCUMENT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT  EXPECTATIONS ARE AND WHAT  WE'RE GOING FOR BEFORE YOU  DRAW PICTURES TO GO WITH IT SO  THANK YOU SO I'M IN NOW. BUT  THAT I  >> YEAH,  >> MERGE. THE ONLY LAST FEW  THAT HAVE USED. BEFORE WE GO  INTO THE USE CHART BECAUSE  THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE  KIND OF WALK IN THE U.S.  CHART. DURING ALL THE PREVIOUS  DISCUSSIONS BEFORE STAFF  MENTIONED IN ENGINEERING  DESIGN STANDARDS. WE WERE TOLD  THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE  SEPARATE AND APPROVED WITH  ULDC BY THE COMMISSION I'M  CURIOUS WHEN WILL WE BE SEEING  THAT BECAUSE IT IS REFERENCED  IN THIS ULDC.  >> AGAIN THAT IS A PUBLIC I  MEAN JUST NOT WORKS HAS SHARED  A DRAFT ACTUALLY DAY. I I  BEGAN TO REVIEWING THE  ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS  MANUAL. UNTIL AFTER AUGUST.  THERE'S JUST NO WAY I CAN  PREPARE ALL OF THESE  ORDINANCES. THAT ARE  ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION  OF CODE AND DO THAT AT THE  SAME TIME. SO I WOULD  ANTICIPATES.  >> WITH STAFF OR VIEW, NOT  JUST DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, BUT  YOU KNOW OTHER STAFF MEMBERS  DEPARTMENTS LIKELY TO REVEAL  THAT DOCUMENTED AS WELL SO I  WOULD SAY SOMETIME IN THE  FALL.  >> SHOULD WE REMOVE THE  REFERENCES OF THE ENGINEERING  DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEY WILL  BE REMOVED ANYWHERE THAT THEY  ARE ON REFERENCED I DON'T  APPARENTLY I DID NOT CATCH  THEM ALL, BUT THE PRACTICAL  STANDARDS. THE CURRENT CODE  HAVE NOW BEEN INCORPORATED  INTO THE ENDURED IS ON  STANDARDS IN YORK. IT WILL BE  CHANGED TO A PANDEMIC'S BEFORE  THIS COMES FOR FIRST READING.  >> THE U.S. 41 CORRIDOR MASTER  PLAN.  >> I DID NOT SEE THAT  REFERENCED IN HERE AND IT'S  WHITE. HELPFUL WITH THE DESIGN  OF US 41. THERE'S QUITE A FEW  EVEN THOUGH THAT THAT MASTER  PLAN IS THEY'RE STILL A LOT OF  THINGS THAT WE'VE EVEN TALKED  ABOUT THE TROLLEY IN MY THAT  MASTER PLAN. BUT IT'S BEING  REMOVED AND THAT'S IT'S NOT  DISCUSSED IN HERE AND I'M  CURIOUS AS TO WHY I ACTUALLY  NOTICED THAT MORE ON THE FLU  THAN I DID SO THE MASTER OVER  20 YEARS.  >> IT IS INCREDIBLY OUTDATED.  AND CEMENT HAITIAN OF THAT  MASTER PLAN WAS PASSED  ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD  WHICH HAS BEEN DISBANDED.  >> THE MANY OF THE  ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS  BOTH PLAN AND THE URBAN DESIGN  STANDARDS PATTERN BOOK.  OUR ANTIQUATED OUTDATED.  ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS ARE  NOT IN KEEPING WITH MODERN  ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THE  COMMISSION REGULARLY APPROVES.  MODIFICATIONS FOR THE  DEVELOPMENT OP PROCESS TO  THOSE URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS  OUT AND VOTE. WHAT YOU HAVE  BEEN ON A VIEW RATHER THAN  INDIVIDUAL ARCHITECTURAL  DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND  ARCHITECTURAL STYLES FOR EACH  OF THESE AREAS AS IF THEY WERE  HR WAYS YOU HAVE.  ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN  REQUIREMENTS AND THE UNIFIED  LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT  APPLY TO ALL CONSTRUCTION, AND  THEY NEED TO INCORPORATE HE  DIFFERENTIAL AND TREES ROOF  LINES CHANGES THE MATERIAL SO  THAT WE HAVE INTEREST  ARCHITECTURE WITHOUT WALLACE  WITH OUT. MANDATING THE TYPE  OF ARCHITECTURAL STYLE THAT  OUR BUILDINGS THE TO LOOK LIKE  BASED ON WHERE THEY'RE  LOCATED. WELL CITY ALI.  >> AND THOSE. PLANS WERE  ADOPTED THERE'S BEEN STATE  LEGISLATION DEALING WITH  DESIGN OF. AND FRANCHISES  THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT  WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REGULATE SO  WE'VE BEEN PREEMPTED FROM MUCH  OF THAT. BUT WE VERY RARELY  HAVE INSTANCES WHERE  DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND THEY  DON'T ASK TO BE  FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT  ARE IN THOSE PLANS BECAUSE  THEY ARE WE'VE  ♪ BEEN TOLD STRAIGHT OUT FROM  DEVELOPERS. WE WILL NOT COMPLY  WITH THOSE THAT  ♪ OUTDATED AND THEY'RE JUST NOT  UP TO MODERN STATE. SO THAT'S  WHY THEY'RE NOT. IN THERE  DESIGN PLANS AND WE HAVE THE  THE WATER DESIGN REGULATIONS.  >> IT THOSE AND I HEAR WHAT  YOU'RE SAYING. PART OF THOSE  DESIGN THINGS THAT HAVE  HAPPENED ON 41 IN OTHER PARTS  OF CITY KIND OF GIVES US THAT  UNIQUENESS. WE DON'T LOOK LIKE  EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE IN THE  STATE. I'M KIND OF MAKES US  STAND OUT AND I I'VE HAD LOTS  OF CITIZENS AND EVEN  BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPERS SAY  YOU KNOW THIS KIND OF COOL  THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SO YOU KNOW  I GUESS IT'S ALL A MATTER OF  WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO. SO I  JUST IT IF THE COMMISSION  INDIVIDUAL RIGHT IF THE  COMMISSION WANTS TO KEEP.  >> THIS IS SPECIFIC  ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS  EACH.  >> AREA RATHER THAN.  INCORPORATING THE ADOPTION OF  MASTER PLANS THAT. 20 YEARS  OLD AND OUTDATED AND IN MANY  CASES PREEMPTED. BUT STATE. I  WOULD SUGGEST DOING NEW PLANS  AS EXERCISE. RECOGNIZING THE  LIMITATIONS THAT WE DO HAVE  LET'S TAKE RATHER  INCORPORATING OLD DOCUMENTS  NEW CAUSE I WOULD SUGGEST  DOING A SEPARATE EXERCISE AND  A LATER DAY.  >> THE LAST SUBJECT I'D LIKE  TO TALK ABOUT IS THIS WHERE  CENTRAL MIXED AND THE USE  CHART. HORIZONTAL MIXED USE.  STARTING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL  USES AND SAYS THAT IT SHALL BE  PART OF THE PROJECT PROJECT  THAT'S VERTICALLY INTEGRATED.  AND IT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL  INDUSTRIAL AND OFF BUT THEN  THERE'S ANOTHER PART WHERE IT  SAYS IT. WHEN IT'S INCLUDED SO  IT'S LIKE. IS IT A SHALL BE  INCLUDED OR IS IT UP.  >> HEY IF YOU WANT TO YOU CAN.  >> IT'S A PROPOSED PART OF THE  DEVELOPMENT. AND CORRIDOR  CORRIDOR TRANSITIONAL SOUNDING  I 30 TO EARTHLY INTEGRATED IN  THE MIXED USE BUILDING. WITH A  MAXIMUM OF THE AREAS I PERCENT  OF THE BUILDINGS ARRESTED. OR.  THERE IS A HALL MIXED USE.  >> OPTION.  >> THAT HAS REQUIREMENTS  ATTACHED TO IT. REQUIRE CITY  COMMISSION APPROVAL. IF THEY  DON'T CORPORATE THE  RESIDENTIAL ON A VERTICALLY  INTEGRATED PROJECT. AND THEY  WANT TO DO IT IN SEPARATE  BUILDINGS HORIZONTALLY ACROSS  THE WHOLE SKY. MISSION NEEDS  TO I WAS NOT APPROVED THE  HOUSE.  >> SO IF IT'S IF IT'S  VERTICALLY INTEGRATED THE WAY  WAY I'M READING IT. IT SAYS  THAT THE RESIDENTIAL SHALL BE  PART OF THIS VERTICAL. I'M  STILL ON THE VERTICAL PART.  WHEN RESIDENTIAL USES ARE  INCLUDED. OTHER USES SHALL BE  COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND  OFFICE. RESIDENTIAL IS ALREADY  INCLUDED. THAT'S WHERE I'M  EMCEEING THE LITTLE BIT OF YES  IT SHALL BE WHEN IT IS. 2  SEPARATE SENTENCES UNDER  NUMBER ONE WE HAVEN'T EVEN  GOTTEN TO THE HORIZONTAL PARK.  PAGE 65. AND THAT NEXT TO THE  CENTER IT'S UNDER STANDARD.  STANDARD PERSONS UNDER NUMBER  ONE.  >> NOW INCORPORATE  RESIDENTIAL. NEXT ON STARTING  THERE YOU GO.  >> IF YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT IT.  >> NOW PUT A LITTLE REMINDER.  >> SURE I I'M NOT SURE WHERE  THE DISCONNECT BECAUSE.  PARAGRAPH B STATES IF THEIR  PROPOSED TO INCORPORATE  RESIDENTIAL USES. THE  PROJECT'S SHALL CONTAIN 2  DISTINCT PRIMARY IS IS AND  THEN BE WON IS TIED TO BE.  RESIDENTIAL USES SHALL BE PART  OF A PROJECT. I THINK WE CAN  TRY TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE  BUT I'M NOT REALLY SEEING AN  ISSUE. WITH THE LANGUAGE. THE  YUAN DOESN'T SAY PROJECTS.  HAVE RESIDENTIAL IT JUST SAYS  IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  RESIDENTIAL. IT SHALL BE PART  OF THE RADICALLY NEXT YEAR'S  PROJECT.  >> THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO  BE MIXED USE ORDER TO HAVE A  MIXED USE YOU HAD TO HAVE A  RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT KNOW  ABOUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE  MAKE THE TEAM TALKED ABOUT.  >> USE MIXED USE DOESN'T MEAN  RESIDENTIAL IS REQUIRED MIXED  USE MEANS A MIX OF USES.  >> SO THE CORRIDOR AND. AND  COURT OR TRANSITIONAL  DISTRICTS THAT THE PAST  REFERENCE TO THOSE AS MIXED  USE DISTRICT WAS TO ENSURE  THAT IF YOU'RE GOING HAVE  RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT  HAS TO BE PART OF A MIXED USE  DISTRICT. IT WAS NOT TO  REQUIRE EVERY PROJECT IN THOSE  AREAS TO BE MIXED USE.  SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD THE  STAND ALONG COMMERCIAL AND  THOSE DISTRICTS. THIS CODE  ALLOWS THEM TO DO IT'S JUST  WHEN YOU PULL IN THAT  RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THAT  THEY. SOME RESTRICTIONS TO  OKAY CAN SEE I APPRECIATE THE.  >> ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION  BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING  ABOUT MIXED USE I THOUGHT IT  WAS THEY HAD TO HAVE A BOWL.  HORIZONTAL MIXED USE  ALTERNATIVE. WHAT IS THE  PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL IF  THEY HAVE RESIDENTIAL. AND  COMMERCIAL. IT'S FIRST ONE HAS  IT THAT SECOND ONE DOES.  >> SO PARAGRAPH APPLIES TO  PARAGRAPH SO 65% IS THE ROLE  65% AS THE RULE FOR MAXIMUM OF  RESIDENTIAL, SO THE REMAINING  SQUARE-FOOT IT HAS TO BE  NONRESIDENTIAL AND THAT CAN'T  BE.  >> COMMUNITY AMENITIES IT HAS  TO BE.  >> WE'RE SHULL OFFICE. I'M  KIND OF TRUE NON RESIDENTIAL  >> IF THEY. THEY ARE SAYING  THAT THEY'RE GOING TO VERY.  GOING TO BE DONE AT THE EXACT  SAME TIME OF THE ENTIRE  DEVELOPMENT OR CAN THEY DO THE  RESIDENTIAL AND SAY GOING TO  PHASE IN THAT COMMERCIAL AT  SOME POINT LATER IN THE FUTURE  DATE UNKNOWN.  ♪ ♪ >> WE ARE. WE ARE NOT LOOKING  TO PROVE MIXED USE  DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S OUT OF  COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS FOR  FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHY  THE VERTICALLY INTEGRATED BIG  REQUIREMENT AND THE COMMISSION  APPROVAL OF THE VERTICALLY  INTEGRATE OF A HORIZONTAL NEXT  USE ALTERNATIVE. WE WILL STILL  BE INDICATING TO ANYONE WHO  COMES IN WITH A HORIZONTAL  MIXED USE ALTERNATIVE AND  WE'RE EXPECTING AT LEAST  COMMERCIAL. COMPONENT TO BE  DEVELOPED INSIST COSTLY WITH  RESIDENTIAL KNOW WHERE THAT  BALANCE  ♪ WHERE THAT MANDATE IS THOMPSON  TO FACE IMPLANTS THAT THEY ARE  LIKELY TO CEMENT HEART OF THIS  HARNESS ON ALTERNATIVE WHICH  WE WILL ASK FOR BECAUSE WE  WANT TO KNOW, BUT THIS ISN'T A  COMMERCIAL OUT PARCEL THIS  GOING SAT THERE FOR 10 YEARS  AND WE KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU  WANT  ♪ AS WELL.  >> AND I LOVE INTERPRETATION  NOW LET'S TAKE THAT  INTERPRETATION AND PUT IT IN  THE COLD PLACE BECAUSE THAT IS  REALLY IMPORTANT. IF YOU'RE  GOING TO DO THIS WE NEED TO  MAKE SURE IT'S CAPTURED IN THE  COVE BECAUSE I LOVE WHAT YOU  SAID THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE  HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND IN  MY OPINION IT'S TIME TO PUT IT  IN THIS CODE. BECAUSE IF WE  DON'T WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.  SA'S THINGS WERE BUT THE CODE  DOESN'T SAY WE HAVE TO PUT IT  IN NOW WE CAN PUT IT PAD  READY. ANOTHER PARCEL WE'VE  APPROVED THAT'S PAT BRADY. SO  IF YOU NEED A CONSENSUS I WILL  BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY AND  GET A CONSENSUS ON THAT.  >> SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT  WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE  INTERPRETATION REQUIREMENT  COMMERCIAL BUILT AT THE SAME  TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW  RESTRICTIVE WE WANT TO BE IN  THIS REGARD. I THINK WE NEED  TO HAVE SOME KIND OF  FLEXIBILITY WEATHER. YOU KNOW  WHETHER IT'S A THINGS PLAN TO  BE APPROVED TO ALLOW YOU KNOW.  TWO-YEAR COMPLETION SOMETHING  ALONG THOSE LINES BECAUSE  SOMETIMES TAKES A WHILE TO GET  THAT COMMERCIAL INTERESTS.  THING. I'M ABSOLUTELY WE'RE  NOT LOOKING FOR THOSE  COMMERCIAL OUT PARCELS AND  THAT'S GOING TO BE A MATTER  OF. THEY BRING THEIR  HORIZONTAL MIXED USE  ALTERNATIVE YOU ALL I BELIEVE  WE ALREADY HAVE A BASIC PLAN  REQUIRED ON THE SUBMITTAL  REQUIREMENTS IF WE DO WELL AT  IT. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS  WHERE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME  KIND OF FLEXIBILITY. I WILL  GET NO DEVELOPMENT ALL. AS A  REBUTTAL.  >> IF WE DON'T REQUIRE THE  COMMERCIAL COMPONENT TO BE  DONE AT THE SAME TIME AS A  RESIDENTIAL ALL WE'RE GOING TO  DO IS BE STOPPED RIGHT BACK  WHERE WE ARE WHERE THEY'RE  DEVELOPING RESIDENTIAL  REDEVELOPING RESIDENTIAL.  >> AND TO **** WITH COUNTRY  SINGER TAXES SO WANT THEY WANT  ELAINE HAS SOME THINGS  >> WE HAVE COMMUNICATED TO  DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PROPOSING  SCARY THING BUT WE WILL NOT  RECOMMEND APPROVAL THEY ARE  NOT BUILDING AT LEAST ONE OF  THOSE PARTICULARLY INTEGRATED  MIXED USE BUILDINGS UP THE  ONSET. IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR  DEVELOPMENT TO BE FAST. WE'RE  JUST GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE  OUT TIMING AND WHAT NOT  STABILITY.  >> RIGHT SO FOR THE VERTICAL.  INTEGRATION WHERE YOU HAVE THE  RESIDENTIAL ON TOP IN THE  COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM THAT  IS GOING TO BE BUILT AT THE  SAME TIME BECAUSE COURSE, YEAH  OF COURSE. BUT AS RESPONSE WAS  JUST SAYING. WHEN WE'VE BEEN  TALKING WITH DEVELOPERS WHO  ARE WANTING A HORIZONTAL  COMPONENT. WE'RE TELLING THEM  THAT THEY NEED TO DO AT LEAST  ONE BUILDING. THAT IS  VERTICAL. AND THAT IT NEEDS TO  BE DONE FRONT. AND THEN THEY  LOOK AT DOING THEIR BUILDINGS  THAT ARE SINGLE-USE  RESIDENTIAL AROUND THAT BUT  THAT FIRST BUILDING. NEEDS TO  BE. BEFORE THE REST OF THEM  AND WE CAN WE CAN LOOK AT IT.  WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PHASING  PLANS USUALLY BASED ON CERTAIN  TRIGGERS. TYPICALLY THE THE  TRIGGERS THAT I'VE WORKED FOR  IN THE PAST, IT'S EITHER YOU  KNOW AT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF  BUILDING LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING  TO HAVE 6 BUILDINGS AT ONCE  3RD BUILDING A CEO YOU DON'T  GET TO FOR THE NEXT BUILDING  UNTIL A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE  OF COMMERCIAL IS BUILT SO  THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF FACING  PLANS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING  AT AND AS HAS BEEN SAID I  THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOT PHASE  IN PLAY THAT ARE SUBMITTAL  REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD COME  TO THE COMMISSION FOR THOSE  HORIZONTAL PROJECTS AND THE  COMMISSION CAN LOOK AT THAT ON  AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND SAY  YOU KNOW YOU NEED YOU NEED  THIS NOW, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY  LOOK AT THAT WE'RE CLOSELY  VERTICAL LENS WE WON'T HAVE AN  ISSUE BECAUSE THEY'LL BE  BUILDING SAME TIME.  >> FORWARD TO THAT  CONVERSATION. FOR CLARITY.  DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS  ANY OTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS  BUT I I DO HAVE SOME THINGS  I'D LIKE TO CHANGE IN THE SEA  ABOUT CHANGING IN THE USE. FOR  SOME CONSENSUS. AND THE BUT I  JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY  ELSE HAD ANYTHING ELSE. I'M  NOT SAYING ANYTHING ON HERE  AND I'M A THERE WE HAVE GONE  THROUGH THOSE USE CHART A FEW  THAT IN MULTIPLE TIMES.  >> I TOOK A LOOK AT THEM PRIOR  TO THIS MEETING AND LOOKING  OKAY TO ME I DON'T KNOW IF  OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE AN  APPETITE FOR GOING THERE, BUT  WE HAVE WORKED CHARTS TO  DEATH. AND I HEAR YOU. BUT AT  THE SAME TIME. IF WE'RE GOING  WE CAN DO IT NOW WE CAN DO IT  FIRST READING I REALLY WOULD  LIKE TO JUST GO OVER A FEW  THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED THAT  SEEMED TO BE KIND OF WONKY.  >> AND BASED ON SOME THINGS  THAT I'VE HEARD FROM CITIZENS  THERE ARE DEFINITELY AREAS  THAT ARE ONE P I'M NOT GOING  GO TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF  THEM. I'VE PROBABLY GOT MAYBE  10.  >> IT'S JUST LIKE LIST THEM IN  WHAT THE CONCERN IS ABSOLUTE  LIKE THAT. SO THE FIRST ONE IS  THE DEALERSHIP AND AUTOMOBILE  SALES AND RENTAL. DEALERSHIP  IN BOATS. IF YOU CAN PULL UP  6. STAGE 66. DEALERSHIP  AUTOMOBILE SALES AND RENTAL  AND THE BOAT'S RECREATIONAL  VEHICLE SALES AND RENTAL.  COMMERCIAL IS PERMITTED. IT IS  NOT PERMITTED IN CORRIDOR  TRANSITION. BUT IT IS  PERMITTED IN THE CORRIDOR  CORRIDOR IS THOSE SMALLER  PARCELS OF COMMERCIAL  DEVELOPMENT WITH THE  RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT DO WE  REALLY WANT AN AUTOMOBILE  DEALERSHIP RIGHT NEXT TO WE  REALLY WANT TO VOTE OR AN RV  NEXT A HOUSE.  >> THANK BOTH RV'S NOW.  >> IT'S NOT THE SALE OF A 100  OF THEM ON A LOT.  >> OKAY JUST NOTHING THE THEY  RESPECT YOU. HOW THIS COULD  >> I'M ASKING FOR IS TO CHANGE  INTO THAT WITHIN IT COMES  BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR  SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THAT'S MY  CONSENSUS ID LIKE TO CHANGE  THE SEA OR DESIGNATION FOR THE  DEALERSHIPS FOR BOTH  AUTOMOBILE AND BOATS TO BE  CHANGED IN THE SEA OR FROM  PERMITTED TO S E.  >> VICE MAYOR IS YES.  >> THERE'S A AND AND I WHAT I  WANT TO CLARIFY THAT PEOPLE  HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS  DEALERSHIPS YOU KNOW NEXT TO  THEM AND AGAIN YOU NEED NEED  OF LAND AND THAT. I JUST  DIDN'T SEE THAT. HAPPENING  ANYTIME SOON SO BUT IT FOR A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION ON FOR THAT.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. WE'RE  PERMITTED AND SEE IT I WOULD  HAVE AN ISSUE. BUT IN OUR  MAJOR CORRIDORS WE NEED TO BE  OPEN FOR BUSINESS SO I YOU  GAVE YOUR SITE. COMMISSIONER  EMRICH.  >> YES. ALL RIGHT SO.  >> BRING IT UP DURING  FRUSTRATING THE OTHER  CONSENSUS IS. AND IF YOU LOOK  AT THE BOAT IN DEALERSHIP THE  BOAT RV ONE UNDER EYE TO ITS  BLANK. I GUESS IT'S NOT.  >> AND WE WERE OUT THERE IT'S  YES WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT  HONESTLY I IN THERE SO THAT I  WOULD NOTICE IT.  >> I NEED TO GO BACK AND SEE  IF IT WAS LEFT POPULATED ON  OUR LAST DROP ENOUGH IT JUST  SOMEHOW LOST IN TRANSLATION,  BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE'RE  REALLY LOOKING TO FOCUS OUR  INDUSTRIAL AREAS ON JOB  CREATION RATHER THAN  COMMERCIAL SALE, SO LIKELY  FINAL DRAFT NOT WITH THAT USE  NOT ALLOWED  >> ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN  VETERINARIANS IF YOU LOOK AT  COMMERCIAL, IT'S PERMITTED CT  IT'S PERMITTED BUT IN THE  CORRIDOR IT'S NOT I THAT  DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE TO A  P. WE'RE TRYING TO INCREASE  OUR TAX IS THIS IS ONE GOOD  WAY TO DO IT. EVEN ALLOW. IT'S  ONE I DO ALLOW AN ANIMAL  HOSPITAL.  >> AND I KNOW WHEN THAT WAS  CHANGE COPIED IT WAS  PERMITTED. JUST GOING BY THIS  ONE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO  COMPARE OLD I'M JUST GOING BY  THIS ONE. SO I MEAN YES.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. I MEAN  YES, YES, YES, YES.  COMMISSIONER EMERGE.  >> JUST  >> REAL. THIS IS GOOD ONE  INDUSTRIAL HEAVY INDUSTRIAL  LIGHT. SO LET'S TAKE A HEAVY.  JUST REAL HEAVY IS NOT  PERMITTED IN COMMERCIAL.  >> AND C 2.  >> INDUSTRIAL WANT. HOWEVER,  IT'S APPROVED BY AND SEAL ARE  AS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. IF  YOU'RE NOT GOING PERMIT IT CAN  COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS WHY ARE  YOU GOING TO ALLOW IT. A  CORRIDOR THIS IS HEAVY. HEAVY  INDUSTRIAL NOXIOUS FUMES THAT  SOUNDS IT'S. AND I I DON'T  UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WOULD BE  PERMITTED IN A CORRIDOR  RESIDENTIAL, SO I WOULD LIKE  TO GET A CONSENSUS TO CHANGE  THE SEA OR FROM FOR INDUSTRIAL  HEAVY. HER THAT I HAVE A  QUESTION FOR STAFF.  >> AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED  THIS EARLIER MEETINGS BUT CAN  YOU GIVE ME A COULD YOU GIVE  ME SOME IDEAS OF INDUSTRIAL  HEAVY THAT ARE NOT SMOKESTACK.  >> INDUSTRIALS ANYTHING THAT  MIGHT HAVE  >> ODORS.  >> AND OUTSIDE OF THE  BUILDING. THAT IS THE  DIFFERENCE REALLY BETWEEN  HAVING INDUSTRIAL MIND A  >> IT'S NOT SMOKESTACKS, OK  EARLY ON WHEN WHEN THE  CORRIDOR WENT FROM WHEN THESE  DISTRICTS WERE FIRST  ENVISIONED TOO WAS REALLY LOOK  AT IS A HIGHER AND HENCE  TODAY. AREA THAT WAS GOING TO  RUN TOWARD JOB CREATION AND  BEST REAL USES. IT'S EITHER A  SO YOU KNOW UNDERSTANDING  WANT. YOU KNOW HOW THE  INDUSTRIAL IS IT'S AN ISSUE  COMMISSION WANTED TO CHANGE TO  YOU THE OR PROHIBIT IS WHERE.  >> LOOKING FOR THAT CONSENSUS  JUST ONE FOLLOW-UP WHERE WOULD  A MICRO BREWERY BREWERY FALL.  THOSE INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY.  >> IT WOULD BE LIKE BUSTER  DEAL UNLESS IT FALLS UNDER THE  THRESHOLDS WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY  CONSIDERED LIKE NONSENSE  RESTAURANT.  >> I MEAN YES CHANGING IT FROM  SP 2 PROHIBITED FOR HEAVY  INDUSTRIAL.  >> I KNOW I LIKE TO KEEP THE  OPTION OPEN IF IT MAKES SENSE  IT WOULD STILL NEED TO COME TO  US COMMUNITY INPUT. SO I'M  OKAY WITH THE S E.  >> YEAH I WAS TRYING FIND WHY  AGREED TO HAVE THAT U.S. SOON.  >> WELL AND THAT'S YOU DON'T  THING NOT IN COMMERCIAL  COMMERCIAL, IT'S FOR SO I  KNOW, BUT UNDER THE AND NEXT  TO WHICH IS NOW THE CORRIDOR  WE DID SAY OK AND AS  COMMISSIONER LINE IS THAT WE  HAD EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS  ABOUT USE OF SOME 100. I  COULDN'T FIND WEIWEI'S THAT  SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THAT NOT  JUST A FLAT OUT NO. ARE STAGE.  OKAY WE'RE HAVING IT AGAIN NOW  SO IT'S GOING TO COME BACK  READ YES, OKAY, ALL BE A YES  FOR THAT CONTEST CONSENSUS  NEXT 5 MINUTES.  >> I'LL BE CENTS. ABOUT COURT.  >> COMMISSIONER EMERGE.  >> YES.  >> SO THE OTHER ONE IS THE  LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND  LABORATORIES SINCE THEY'RE THE  SAME FOR IF YOU LOOK AT  COMMERCIAL. IT SAYS SPECIAL  EXCEPTION. BUT THEN THE  CORRIDOR NEAR RESIDENTIAL  NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'RE GOING  REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTION  COMMERCIAL WIND.  ♪ WIRED CORRIDOR. THE SAME GOES  ♪ THE MEDICAL TESTING IN  LABORATORIES. I'M A YES.  >> IT SPARES YES.  >> OKAY, YES.  >> SURE MUCH. COMMISSIONER  EMRICH YEAH. THANK YOU.  ABOUT  THE NEXT CHANGE ENDS TRIM THE  PAGE. RESTAURANTS KNOW THAT  DRIVE-THRUS. THERE'S A SPECIAL  THING THAT SAYS DRIVE-THRUS  ARE PROHIBITED ON PROPERTIES  ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL  PROPERTIES OWNED ONE IN 2. I'M  JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE  FOOTNOTE SO THAT DOESN'T GET  LOST THAT LITTLE BLURBS ON  PAGE ONE '09 SECTION 7003.6.  >> BUT IF WE HAVE LIKE A  LITTLE FOOTNOTES.  >> REFERENCE OTHER SECTIONS  JUST FOR CLARITY I THINK THIS  IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT  REALLY COULD USE ONE.  >> I'M SORRY. SO IF YOU LOOK  AT RESTAURANTS, YES.  RESTAURANTS CAN BE DRIVE ALL  THE DRIVERS SO A DRIVE-THRU.  PROHIBITED WHEN THEY ARE  ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL  PROPERTY ZONED R-ONE INS ZONED  R 2 OKAY. WE WANT IT. DO WE  WANT TO PUT A FOOTNOTE TO THAT  SPECIFICATIONS AND ALSO DO WE  WANT TO INCLUDE.  >> THE CT. ZONING DESIGNATION  SINCE IS RESIDENTIAL NEARBY DO  WANT. A MCDONALD'S DRIVE-THRU  SOUTHWARD. ALL RIGHT  >> SO SO.  >> WE COULD PLACE A FOOT HERE,  BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT STAFF  REVIEWS PROJECT WE'VE GOT A  RESTAURANT PROJECT AND WE'RE  GOING TO REVIEW IT AND WE'RE  GOING TO GO TO OUR ASSESSOR  USES AND STRUCTURES SECTION  WHICH ADDRESSES DRIVE-THRU  MOBILE PICK UP AND WE'RE GOING  TO THAT'S PROGRAM IT NEXT  PROPERTIES AND ARE WRONG. SO  WITH THEIR PLAN SHOWS THAT  WE'RE GOING TO YOU CANNOT HAVE  THIS.  >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED  THE OUT THERE. NUMBER ONE  NUMBER THERE ARE OTHER.  >> SAFEGUARDS AS FAR AS  LOCATION OFF THE DRIVE-THRUS  THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR UNDER  THOSE SPECIFIC STANDARDS UNDER  THE ACCESSORIES STRUCTURE  STANDARD AND WE'VE ALREADY  LIMITED. BUSINESS OPERATION  HOURS IN THE CORRIDOR FROM.  >> YOU KNOW NOT BETWEEN  10:00PM AND 05:00AM SO I THINK  THAT YOU KNOW,  >> WE'VE WE'VE GOT SOME SOME  RESTRICTIONS PLACE I MEAN YOU  CAN SEE THE THE DRIVE-THRU  FACILITIES. THEY HAVE TO BE  LOCATED AT THE REAR SIDE OF  THE BUILDING THEY HAVE TO FACE  THE. AUDIT ELECTRONIC DEVICES  FACING AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY  LINES. THEY STACKING. LANE  REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO OFFER  THEY HAVE TO OFFER THEM WITH A  24 INCH WIDE LANDSCAPE SO  WE'VE GOT.  >> I CAN SEE.  >> WE'VE GOT SEVERAL  PROTECTIONS INCORPORATED THEIR  ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO  THE CORRIDOR DISTRICTS. I'M ON  TOP OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE  CODE.  >> SEXUALLY ORIENTED  BUSINESSES. X IN EVERY SINGLE  ZONING DISTRICT. ON THE  STANDARD USED CHURCH EXCEPT  IT'S PERMITTED IN INDUSTRIAL  WANT. WHY ARE WE REQUIRING A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR SEXUALLY  EXPLICIT BUSINESSES THAT ARE  CLOSE TO THE PROXIMITY OF  RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.  TO HAVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION. WE  NEED TO CHANGE THAT TO AN AXE  AND PROHIBIT IT.  >> WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM IN  SOME DISTRICTS NOW AND I WANT.  AND THERE'S ALSO IT IN  ACTIVITY CENTERS.  >> I MAY REFRESH I THAT WE HAD  OF PERMITTED AND I TOO. AND  THAT WAS PROHIBITED.  >> EVERYWHERE ELSE TO COMPLY  WITH THAT.  >> OKAY SO FIRST OF ALL WE  DON'T HAVE ANY I 2.7 DISTRICTS ON THEM OUT  ANYWHERE. SO WE CAN. AND  THAT'S ACTUALLY OREO YEAH THIS  2. WE ALSO YEAH ONE MINUTE  LIMIT THEM TO ACTIVITY CENTERS  TEXAS IS WHERE THEY WERE  LIMITED TO UNDER THE CURRENT  NOT OUT WE HAVE TO DESIGNATE.  THAT DISTRICTS WHERE THEY  COULD ACTUALLY BUILD A  FACILITY WE CAN RELEGATE THEM  TO AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY  ELECTRIC SERVICE DON'T HAVE  ANY WATER AND SEWER. WE HAVE  TO ALLOW THEM AS A PERMITTED  USE BY RIGHT AND DISTRICTS.  >> ALLOWING THEM IS A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION AND OTHER DISTRICTS.  DOES REDUCE OUR EXPOSURE AND  SOME WAYS, ESPECIALLY IF WE.  >> IF YOU LOOK AT HOW CASE LAW  LOOKS AT REGULATIONS REGARDING  SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESS A  LOOK AT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF A  LAND AREA.  >> AND THE CITY BUT ACTUALLY  BE USED FOR THIS TYPE OF  BUSINESS. SO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE  SOME REASONABLE ALLOWANCES OR  OFF ATTACKED ARE SURE TO  CHALLENGE US. SO THAT IS WHY  YOU'RE SEEING THIS AND MORE  THAN ONE DISTRICT.  >> YOU'RE SEEING IT AS A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION OR PERMITTED  USES IN THOSE YOU KNOW AND  JUST REAL PARKS. MOST CITIES  THAT'S WHERE THEY ALLOWED THEM  THIS YEAR YOUR INDUSTRIAL  PARKS, WHICH IS WHY YOU'LL SEE  A C 6. IT'S THE PIE. THOSE ARE  INTENDED TO BE HAPPY ON THE  INDUSTRIAL USES. THAT'S  LOCATIONS WHERE WHERE WHERE  WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT.  SPECIAL EXCEPTION IN THE  CORRIDOR DISTRICT THAT WAS  BACK WHEN WE WERE TALKING AND  THAT'S TO WE WERE TALKING  HIGHER INTENSITY. AREAS. FOR  THAT PARTICULAR DESIGNATION  WHICH IS WHY THE HEAVY  INDUSTRIAL WAS A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION.  >> AND NOW WE'RE REVISITING  LOWERING THE INTENSITY  POPULAR.  >> THANK YOU REFRESHING OUR  MEMORIES BECAUSE YES, I  REMEMBER THAT WHOLE  CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T  DESIGNEE TO BE IN AN AREA LIKE  YOU SAID THAT THEY CAN. SO I'M  GOOD WITH THE SPECIAL  EXCEPTION.  >> DID YOU ASK YOUR CONSENSUS,  A CONSENSUS WAS TO CHANGE  SEXUALLY IN THE SEA OR FROM 2  ACTS. IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED  IN I ONE AND AN ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 IN 10.  >> COMMISSIONER  >> LANGDON. I'M GOOD WITH  THAT. AREA. YES, YES, I KNOW.  >> COMMISSIONER  >> ALL RIGHT HAVE ANOTHER ONE,  I'M GETTING THERE. THE.  >> RV  >> RESORTS.  >> AND THE C O R RV RESORT.  VERY HEAVY WITH THOSE LARGER  VEHICLES ARE THESE. WHY WOULD  WE WANT THOSE IN OUR CORRIDORS  ON THE CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.  THERE. SEEN THE. THE LOGISTICS  OF EVEN THAT BEING A  POSSIBILITY. AND THIS  DISTRICTS. AND NO IT'S BY  SPECIAL EXCEPTION, BUT.  >> BY SPECIAL LOOK AT THE RADY  SLIPPER AREA.  >> MIGHT END UP BEING AN RV  RESORT. I IS YOU NEVER NOT  CAN. THE DESIGNATION SHOWN ON  THE MAP ARE OUT PEOPLE CAN  ASSEMBLE PROPERTY THEY CAN  COME AND THEY CAN ASK FOR A  COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT AND A  RESOUNDING AND EXPAND THAT  AREA. ACTUALLY A FUMBLE IN A  >> YOU KNOW MAYBE EVEN OUT ON  EAST PRICE WHERE THERE ARE  SOME CORRIDORS DESIGNATED  ALREADY THEY MIGHT BUILD UPON  THAT NOT MIGHT BE AN AREA THAT  WOULD BE SUITABLE. SO OKAY,  >> I'M NOT SAYING ANY. PUBLIC  CONVERSATION GUYS THINK YOU'VE  MISSED BARNES ANYTHING ELSE  YOU ADDRESSED EVERYTHING THAT  WE NEED TO TO WASN'T ENOUGH  FOR THINK PRETTY SHE ATE A  DIRECTION NOT DIRECTION THE  CONSENT. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD  CLARIFIED A LOT OF THINGS  SECOND BROUGHT A PATIENTS AS  APPRECIATE PUBLIC WE DOING.  GENERAL THIS GENERAL THAT  >> WE DO HAVE ONE COMMENT.  LAURIE REGARDING ENHANCED  REZONING OF PORT ZONING  NEIGHBORHOODS TO INCLUDE  INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL  BUILDINGS UP TO A 100 FEET  TALL AND ARE MANY  NEIGHBORHOODS IS INSANE.  PLEASE COMMISSION SLOW DOWN  AND TAKE A STEP BACK AND SEE  IT FROM OUR POSITION BEHIND  DENSITY REZONING INDUSTRIAL  AND COMMERCIAL IS TOO MUCH.  YOU WERE NEIGHBOR HOODS  INCREASE CRIME INCREASED  TRAFFIC CETERA RUINING HOME  VALUES. YOU SHOULD BE  PROTECTING NORTH PORT OF GREEN  SPACE YOU SHOULD BE PROTECT  THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE  CITY OF HER DREAMS OF WHAT WE  BELIEVED WAS OUR FOREVER HOME  NO NO NO TO THE AGGRESSIVE  REZONING IT'S DISAPPOINTING  AND IRRESPONSIBLE. THANK YOU.  AND JOSH SMITH. I WOULD LIKE  TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU GUYS.  >> YOU LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS.  HOPEFULLY IT'S GOING TO GO A  LONG WAY SOME TRUST. I WENT  UP, BUT YOU KNOW POLICE THOSE  OF US OR SEND YOUR KIND OF SEE  WHERE YOU ARE DOING. I KNOW  YOU GUYS HAVE A REAL FEAR  ABOUT RAISING TAXES. WE ALSO  CARE THE ROOM I COULD PROBABLY  DID BETTER THAN MOST I KNOW  SOME OF US CAN'T. IT'S GOING  TO POINT WHERE WE'RE NEVER  GOING TO GET TO THAT 20 TO 30  THAT WE ALL HAVE A DREAM SO  THE QUICKER WE CAN GET OUT IN  FRONT OF IT THE QUICKER WE CAN  KIND OF HELP CITIZENS A LINE.  I THINK IT WILL GET AND I JUST  WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS ARE NOT  AVOID YOUR THAT I GET.  >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR  OUT ALL DAY.  >> AND THAT IS ALL MAYOR,  OKAY.  >> SO IT IS FOR 33 IN NIGER IN  MEETING THAT.