##VIDEO ID:BH9KqFK5a34## SO THAT WHEN REACHES THE  HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS  ♪ IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT ERODES ROADWAYS ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP  TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY WATER THEY ARE  GOING SEE THAT STORM SURGE  FLOODING NEXT OR  >> SO STORM SURGE IS WET.  >> STRONG SUSTAINED WINDS ARE  CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A LONG  PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE GOAL  PUSHING WATER UP ONTO WILL NOT  HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF  FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, THE GULF AND THEN  THE WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM  FROM THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO  DO BECAUSE WATER TO BACK  FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH A LOT  OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM ALSO  CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER  FLOODING INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING AS WELL.  PUBLIC WORKS IS A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR AND THE WAR AGAINST STORM  SURGE AND FLOODING IN OUR  WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU WANT  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION  ♪ ON THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL  ABOUT A LOT FOLKS  >> GOOD EVENING. I CALL THIS  MEETING TO ORDER IT IS TUESDAY  SEPTEMBER 24TH 2024 IT IS  06:00PM WE'RE IN THE CITY  CHAMBERS AND COMMISSION  REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. WELL  ALL WE HAVE COMMISSIONER  EMRICH VICE MAYOR STOKES  MYSELF MAYOR WHITE  COMMISSIONER LANGDON  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. WE ALSO  HAVE FOR THE LAST TIME TO  ANNOUNCE OR CITY ATTORNEY AND  WERE SLAIN AND WE ASSISTANT  CITY MANAGER JULIE LEA. AND I  KNOW WE HAVE. CITY WE HAVE.  ASSISTANCE HOW. AND IN THE  BACK I SAW CHIEF TITUS AT ONE  TIME I URGE YOU TO TIE THIS  AND WE HAVE DEPUTY POLICE  CHIEF MORALES THANK YOU FOR  WAVING YOUR HAND AND BECAUSE  THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT OUR  CITY ATTORNEY WILL BE SITTING  UP HERE. I'M GOING TO CALL HER  TO LEAD US  ♪ >> I WAS THAT'S JUST OF THE  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND  TO ALL FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE  NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE  WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE  ♪ FOR ALL. THANK  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO  APPROVAL OF AGENDA. BUT I'M  LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO MOVE  AN ITEM. GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM  WHICH IS ON PAGE 8 OF AGENDA  TO COME BEFORE GENERAL  BUSINESS IT IS THE ITEM. OR.  THE PLAN TO FIND A NEW CITY  ATTORNEY.  >> MAKE THAT MOTION RIGHT  AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA YES,  AND BEFORE THE CITY ATTORNEY  SEARCH INFORMATIO.  >> THAT IS THE RIGHT SO IT'S  MOVING GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM B  LAND TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.  WHICH WILL COME BEFORE GENERAL  BUSINESS ITEM A SO DO YOU HAVE  THAT CITY ALL RIGHT SO THE  MOTION WAS MADE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  EMERGE, SORRY WHAT AM I DOW  HAHA. GOING TO MOVEMENT ON THE  AGENDA. AND THAT PASSES 5, 0,  SO WE ALL STRAIGHT CLEAR ON  THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH  THAT A MOVING ON TO. ITEM 2.  PRESENTATION. I KNOW I SAW  COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND OTHER  JUST YEAH. FRANK I THINK IS IN  THE HOUSE ALL ASSISTANT CITY  MANAGER BILLY DO YOU HAVE  ANYTHING TO AT. COMMISSIONER  CUTS UNDER THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  >> WELL GOOD EVENING  COMMISSIONERS I SEE YOU KNOW  THEY ALWAYS SAY TIME LIMIT OF  15, THIS IS THAT ONLY WHEN I'M  JUST FOR GET SHORTEN AND  COMMISSIONER, EMRICH IT'S  GREAT TO SEE ON  >> THE DAIS HOPEFULLY RAIN  CONTINUE RECOVERY AND GLAD FOR  YOU TO BE WITH US TONIGHT  PERSON. AND I BELIEVE PROBABLY  I DO THIS QUARTERLY. THIS WILL  BE THE LAST TIME I GET TO  PRESENT TO BEING ON THE DAIS  AND GREAT TO WORK WITH YOU AND  AND WISH YOU THE BEST GOING  FORWARD. I'M JUST A COUPLE  THINGS I WILL BRIEFLY UPDATE  YOU JUST GOT THE PHONE WITH  LOOK OPERATION SURE EVERYONE  IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH  EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH.  THIS STORM. COUNTY OFFICES  WILL BE CLOSING. I THINK YOU  ARE TOMORROW NEXT AS WELL,  WE'LL SEE HOW THINGS WORK FOR  FRIDAY, HOPEFULLY PRODUCED BY  THAT FOR US, BUT WE'LL SEE WE  ARE OPENING ALL OF OUR  SHELTERS OPEN TOMORROW  MEDICALLY PENDANT 10:00AM AND  FOR EVERYONE ELSE NEEDS  SHELTER WILL BE OPEN. I COURSE  EVERYBODY IS TRACKING THIS  PROBABLY MINUTE BY MINUTE  SOMETIME IT THURSDAY IS WHEN  THERE ANTICIPATING NOW SLOW  DOWN JUST A LITTLE SLASH.  STATE. WE DID SAYING I THOUGHT  THIS IS AN STATISTIC THAT OF  ALL THE STORMS THAT TRACK.  THIS ISN'T THE 90TH  PERCENTILES THE LARGEST STORM.  SO THIS VERY LARGE IN TERMS OF  HOW WHY SO YOU HAVE TO BE  PREPARED. EVEN IF IT IS  OFFSHORE QUITE A DISTANCE.  WE'RE STILL DIDN'T FEEL QUITE  A BIT WE ISSUE AN EVACUATION  FOR ZONE, A. AND CONCERN IS  MOSTLY STORM SURGE PROSPECT  RIGHT NOW IS 5 TO 7 FEET THEY  WERE TALKING EVEN ONE POINTS.  WE'RE HOPEFUL IT WILL BE THE  LOWER NUMBER THERE SO  APPRECIATE EVERYBODY I'M  WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS WE'VE  HAD SOME EXPERIENCE. AND SO  ALL HANDS ARE ON DECK AND  WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING  WE CAN AND IF FOLKS DO NEED  RIDE TO ONE OF THE SHELTERS BE  SURE AND CALL ON THEM AND WE  WILL MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET  WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.  APPRECIATE HOPING WORKING  TOGETHER ON THAT. IT'S GOOD TO  BE WITH YOU IF YOU UPDATES AND  JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU AN  UPDATE ON RIVER ROAD LAST TIME  I WAS WITH YOU I TALKED ABOUT  THE POSSIBILITY, THE PROSPECT  OF. DID ACTUALLY COME IN QUITE  A BIT LOWER THAN WHAT WE  ANTICIPATED SO. THE INITIAL  PLAN WAS TO 6 LANE. RIVER ROAD  FROM. US 41 OUT TO CENTER ROAD  AND 4 LANES FROM SAINT ROAD TO  I 75. WITH THE ADDITIONAL  DOLLARS. THAT ARE AVAILABLE  BECAUSE THE BIG CAME IN LOWER.  WE'RE NOW ABLE CONFIRM THAT  WE'RE GOING TO 6 LANE. WE WERE  ALL THE WAY OUT I 75 TALKED TO  ARE SECRETARY OF FDOT  YESTERDAY AND THEY WERE ABLE  TO NEGOTIATE THAT CONTRACT  THAT'S MOVING FORWARD SO WE  CAN HAVE 6 LANES GOING TO BE  GREAT GATEWAY. TO SOUTH COUNTY  INTO PORT. AND THEN IN SOUTH  RIVER ROAD. I THINK THE DAY  AFTER GOING TO STARTED.  INITIATING EFFORT TO GET SOUTH  RIVER ROAD CONDITION. BUT I  WAS SAYING TO THE CONTRACTOR  WAS JUST CONTINUE ON HERE  READY MOBILIZE MISSION ROAD.  FORTUNATELY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO  TO MOVE FORWARD AND VERY  POSITIVE WAY ESPECIALLY IN  THIS PAST YEAR. WE ALLOCATED  40 MILLION DOLLARS OF THE  DISASTER RELIEF DOLLARS TOO.  THE IMPROVEMENTS RIVER ROAD. I  THINK WE ALL SAW HERE WITH  GABBY. HOW DESPERATELY WE DO  NEED THAT EVACUATION CORRIDOR.  AND IMPROVE SO. WE WERE ABLE  TO DO THAT IT'S A FUN LITTLE  STORY WE HAD A PROJECT UP  NORTH COUNTY THAT WAS AROUND  ABOUT THAT THOUGHT WAS GOING  TO DO. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD  REALLY WASN'T IN FAVOR OF  OPPOSED TO IT THERE WAS  4 MILLION DOLLARS ALLOCATED TO  THAT PROJECT AND SO WHEN THAT  PROJECT GOT CANCELED.  IMMEDIATELY SAID WELL, I KNOW  WHERE THOSE DOLLARS CAN GO. SO  I THOUGHT IT WAS FUN BECAUSE  IT'S COUNTING DOLLARS COMING  SOUTH COUNTY AND STATE SO  4 MILLION DOLLARS PROJECT IS  NOW BEEN ALLOCATED TO RIVER  ROAD. SO WE'RE DOING ALL WE  CAN. WE ISSUED THE CAN WE  WARNINGS ENGAGED TO DO THE  DESIGN AND ENGINEERING THAT'S  UNDER WAY THE CONTRACT ISSUE.  AND THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD  VERY POSITIVE WAY TO GET SOUTH  RIVER ROAD COMPLETED. AS WELL.  AND THEN I HANDED OUT A COUPLE  OF I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU  SOME YOU MAY BE AWARE OF BUT  REALLY EXCITED TO SHARE. THIS  NEWS WITH YOU AS WE HAVE  MENTIONED EARLIER OF RESILIENT  SRQ DOLLARS ESTHERLY MONEY  THAT CAME TO BUDD. A MAJORITY  OF THAT LARGE PORTION OF THAT  HAS BEEN HOW KAY TO SOUTH  WE'RE A COUPLE OF THINGS WE  HAVE NOT YET ADDRESSED SINCE  THEN WE HAVE. ONE OF THE  THINGS THAT I THOUGHT WAS  REALLY IMPORTANT TO DO WITH  THOSE DOLLARS WAS TO DO  AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE  ALLOCATED THE BEGINNING  40 MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT  200 MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE  DOUBLE HOUSING. OUR LAST I WAS  ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD A PROJECT  AND I'M REALLY EXCITED PORT.  AND IT'S I GAVE YOU HAND OUT.  IT'S A 2 AND OUT. IT IS THE  CHAMBERLAIN FAMILY APARTMENTS.  AND THIS YOU NOTICE TO PARENTS  THAT PROJECT IS TO 67 MILLION  DOLLAR PROJECT. 165 OR WILL  YOU I'M HERE IN PORT. WE  ALLOCATED THIS PAST MEETING  10 MILLION DOLLARS TO THAT  PROJECT SO THAT THEY COULD GET  THAT MOVING FORWARD. THIS IS  ENTIRELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.  ALL OF THE UNITS ARE FOR PASS.  ALL 165. AND ONE OF THE THINGS  I LIKE PARTICULARLY ABOUT THIS  PROJECT IS THAT THEY'VE GOT 2  BEDROOM 3 BEDROOM AND  FOUR-BEDROOM APARTMENTS AND  THEY'RE LOOKING AT OCCUPANCY  OF UPWARDS OF 500 PEOPLE IT  DOES ALSO HAVE SOME MIXED  COMMERCIAL WHICH I THINK IS  GREAT LIKE MIXED USE PROJECTS  AND YOU KNOW YOU GUYS ARE  LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL  SOLUTION. SOME COMMERCIAL AS A  PART OF PROJECT. AND IT ALSO  HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A OF A.  WELL THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU  CAN KIND OF SEE BUT I WAS  REALLY THRILLED TO BE ABLE TO  SEE SOME OF THESE DOLLARS COME  SOUTH COUNTY PARTICULAR NORTH  PORT DESPERATELY NEEDED THAT  PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD I  GET RESEARCH A LOT OF RESEARCH  ON THIS ORGANIZATION AND  ACTUALLY THEY'RE BUILDING  UNITS. IF YOU SEE IN THE NOTES  THERE THEY 120 PROPERTIES AND  22,000 THROUGHOUT THE U.S. SO  THIS IS WELL-KNOWN WELL  COMPANY BUT THEY ALSO DO SOME  PROJECTS SOUTHWEST ME COUNTY  AND NORTH OF US IMMUNITY  FOLLOWING UP ON THEY'RE DOING  A GREAT JOB THERE WITH THOSE  WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY HAPPY  TO SEE THAT HAPPEN HERE IN  SOUTH COUNTY, ESPECIALLY IN  PORT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'M  REALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE  SECOND THING HERE IS. SUNCOAST  TECHNICAL COLLEGE PORT. SO WE  ALL KNOW THAT WORKFORCE. AND  VOCATIONAL TRAINING IS VITALLY  IMPORTANT. AND. SO COULD  SUNCOAST TECHNICAL COLLEGE HAS  GREAT PROGRAM. WE WERE ABLE  HERE AND I'VE GOT A SHEET  THERE FOR YOU AS WELL WE WERE  ABLE IN THIS LAST MEETING TO  ALLOCATE 7 AND A HALF MILLION  DOLLARS TO EFFORT FOR THE  EXPANSION.  THE CAMPUS BUILDING OF OF THE  KNICKS JANET BUILDING THEIR  PROJECT AND EXPAND WHAT  THEY'RE DOING THERE. THEY'RE  GOING TO BE TEACHING CARPENTRY  ELECTRICAL HVAC THEY'VE GOT A  NEW PROGRAM THEY'VE NEVER DONE  THIS BEFORE THEY'RE GOING TO  BE ABLE TO TEACH WELDING. HAVE  APPRENTICESHIPS 1100 STUDENTS  THIS IS A TERRIFIC TERRIFIC  AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE  SCHOOL BOARD THEY'RE VERY  EXCITED ABOUT IT THEY'RE  CONTRIBUTING. NEARLY  11 MILLION DOLLARS TO THIS  PROJECT FOR THAT EXPANSION.  AND I COULDN'T I JUST COULDN'T  BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I  WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM IN THE  MIDDLE OF A RENOVATION  PROJECT. AND WHEN I DID THE  INVOICES FROM THE PLUMBERS AND  ELECTRICIANS AND EVERYBODY IN  A G 8 PEOPLE ON THINKING. I  DIDN'T KNOW THESE GUYS WERE  TURNING SOURCE DPH WHATEVER  THE BILLS THEIR CHARGE SO YOU  CAN MAKE A GREAT LIVING.  VOCATIONAL. THRILLED TO SEE  THAT MOVING FORWARD SO A LOT  OF REALLY GOOD THINGS SIDE TO  THE SHARE THAT WITH YOU. SO  WHAT'S GOING PORT BUT TO BE  WITH YOU THIS EVENING.  >> THANK YOU THANK YOU SIR,  THANK VERY MUCH UPDATE WOULD  HAVE MADE THEY ANY QUESTIONS  FROM HERE, ANYBODY KNOW. ALL  RIGHT. THANK COMMISSIONER.  >> ALRIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT ON  THAT. ROBIN SAID ABOUT SO  NOTHING ON THAT ALRIGHT. SO  THEY WILL MOVE TO ITEM 3 WHICH  IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT  ROBIN TEMPERATURE A TELEVISED  ABOUT FOR EVENING.  >> ROBINSON FOR THE RECORD.  JUST DIDN'T COME TONIGHT.  BECAUSE.  >> AND I PUT THIS UP SO MANY  TIMES I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GET  INTO IT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO  GET INTO IT. I PUT IT UP  BEFORE ABOUT THE LABELING. THE  CLASSIFICATION. OF THE VOCAL  MINORITY. OF USING THE WORD  SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE. AND  THE WAY IT'S BEING USED. TO  THE GENERAL PUBLIC. NOW  GETTING PERSONALLY ATTACKED  NOT ONLY ON SOCIAL MEDIA. BUT  NOW AND OTHER PLACES LIKE  PUBLIX. I DISREGARDED I KNOW  IT. IT'S GETTING TO ME.  BECAUSE I COME UP HERE. AND I  VOICE AND I MY VOICE. AND I  THINK IT'S A PRETTY GOOD VOICE  AND I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS  AND A LOT OF GOOD  RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK. AND  THEN GETTING CAST AND AND BEEN  CRITICIZED AND. LABELED AS  BEING DISRESPECTFUL. AND I  DON'T EVER REMEMBER BEING  DISRESPECTFUL TO ANY  COMMISSIONER TO ANY STAFFER.  AND THIS BUT CHANCE MY PASSION  GETS THE BENEFIT OF ME. I MAKE  GOOD ON IT AND I APOLOGIZE  BECAUSE SOMETIMES I DO GET  PASSIONATE BECAUSE I LOVE THIS  CITY SO MUCH. BUT THAT'S  DIVIDING THE CITY. I'M HEARING  IT FROM THE COUNTY NOW SUBJECT  MATTER EXPERTISE, VOCAL  MINORITY, IT'S KILLING ME. AND  IT'S ONLY JUST BRINGING MORE  ANGER THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY  AND DIVIDING US AND THEN IN  TEARS BECAUSE IT TO STOP. I  DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE  TO PUT LABELS ON PEOPLE WHO  USE VOICES. OKAY WITH  COMMUNITY AND WANT OFFER THIS  SUGGESTIONS. WELL WE HAVE TO  BELITTLE THEM TO THE POINT  WHERE I DON'T COME HERE  ANYMORE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT.  TO TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO  STOP. BUT WE HAVE TO STOP  PUTTING LABELS SOME CITIZENS  WHO WANT TO USE THAT VOICE. WE  JUST SO THE CITIZENS SPEAKING  UP. WE HAVE HUGE SILENT  MAJORITY. WE DON'T WE DON'T  BELITTLE THEM FOR NOT COMING  UP USING THAT VOICE WE  ENCOURAGE THE PARTICIPATION.  WE ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION AND  ACCOMMODATE EVERY TIME TO  PARTICIPATE AND HOPEFULLY I  WILL FOR SOME SOME GOOD  SUGGESTIONS. SO I JUST DON'T  KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO  ADDRESS IT BUT MAYBE JUST  USING LABELS. BECAUSE IT'S  SPREADING. IT'S NOT ONLY THIS  COMMISSION CHAMBERS. IT PASSED  ON TO THE COUNTY. IT'S PASSED  ON TO 2 RADIO SHOWS. AND WITH  JUST THE WAY IT'S BEING USED  IS IS DISCREDITING US CITIZENS  AND IT SHOULDN'T BE USED TO  DISCREDIT US. IT SHOULD BE  USED TO ENCOURAGE US. WITHOUT  LABELS AND THE AND THE MANNER  IN WHICH IT'S BEING USED.  DIDN'T WANT TO CRY AND HERE.  >> AND YOU'RE GOING CITY CLERK  BUT WE'RE NOT GOING O'CLOCK  OKAY, THANK OKAY. GOOD  AFTERNOON.  >> I ABOUT OPPOSITE CASE LIKE  A ALL CASE ALL CASE. IDEA. I  KNOW THAT FOR THE NATION ARE  ALL TOP OF THOSE I COME HERE  AND PEAS AND I ANOTHER  CRIMINAL. THAT'S THE THING WE  LIKE ONE. BY THE HOUR BY  STUDYING OPTICAL ON SECTION 5  OF FLORIDA CONSTITUTION I AM  EXPECTING YOU TO TO MOVE.  YOU'RE MY BACK. SO BEING  INSULTING INTIMIDATING SPOKE  TO AND WHY IS STOP LIKE GOING  TO THE WAR WISE STOP THIS  RIGHT IS IT IS INTIMIDATING. I  WOULD THROUGH POINT. BEFORE I  DO THAT THIS CHAMBER. IT IS  THE PALESTINE OR NOT YOU  GENTLEMAN. HOW MANY WE'RE  GOING FOLD THE PEOPLE NOW I  THINK THAT ABOUT I DID WANT BE  BY WHAT THEY CAN ON THE YOU  CAN FIND IT ON THAT FEE 8. YOU  MAY ALL OUT AND I WOULD LIKE  TO KNOW IF ALREADY IMPLEMENTED  OVER YET. CLOSE LOSS TO THE  HEAD WELL THEY COME OUT NUMBER  ONE. YOU WILL THINK YOU WILL  BE HAPPY.  >> WELL THEN THAT HE WILL DO  WITH THAT YOU WITHOUT AD AND  IT WILL BE DELIVERED BY DRONE  TO THEY US WANT TO BE THE  WORLD'S LEADING FOOD BUT  POLLARD THAT HAS LITTLE  CONFIDENCE AND THEY. YOU WRITE  YOU WILL NOT WAITING FOR ORGAN  YOU WILL. WE WE WILL WE WILL  IT IMPORTANT WE WON'T FROM  ORBIT WILL OPEN THE NUANCE.  BUT IT YOU KNOW WHEN IT MIGHT  NEED. I'M OKAY ALL NOW STABLE  BUT THE BEEN A VIOLENT AND I  WANT TO MUCH BETTER AT. BUT  THEN PEOPLE WILL BE DISPLACED.  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO JOB  OF WELCOMING RATING DISEASE.  BUT SAFE. WHAT GOOD BUT  ADMITTING THAT I LIKE THAT  WOULD BE LITTLE BIT BUT ISOM  KABUL. MAKE BOTH YOU HISTORY.  DO YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT SPEED BE  THAN MANY OF OF I WANT 70  THROUGH THE IT'S 400.  401 MILLION THAT'S LIKE  PUTTING ON OVER 100 MILLION IS  NOT IT.  >> WAS THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL.  >> MOTHER LIKE THAT IT OKAY.  >> AND MOVING TO ITEM 4  ANNOUNCEMENTS CITY CLERK. THE  CURRENT VACANCIES FOR THE  FOLLOWING BOARDS AND  COMMITTEES INCLUDE OUR  ADVISORY BOARD AUDITOR  SELECTION COMMITTEE TRY TO  REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD CITIZENS  TAX OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE  ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD  HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ADVISORY  BOARD POLICE OFFICERS PENSION  TRUST BOARD OF TRUSTEES PARKS  AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD  PLANNING AND ZONING ADVISORY  BOARD VETERANS PARK ADVISORY  COMMITTEE AND ZONING BOARD OF  APPEALS SARASOTA COUNTY  ADVISORY COUNCIL VACANCIES  INCLUDE ONE RESIDENT OF PORT  TO SERVE ON THE CITIZEN  ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ONE  RESIDENT OF NORTH PORT TO  SERVING THE CITIZENS OVERSIGHT  COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FACILITY  PLANNING AND ONE RESIDENT  OF NORTH PORT TO SERVE ON THE  PARK'S ADVISORY AND RECREATION  COUNCIL. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE  MORE INFORMATION THEY SEE THE  CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THANK YOU.  >> AND TO MOVING ON TO ITEM 5  CONSENT AGENDA ASSISTANT CITY  MANAGER HAVE ANY ITEMS BEEN  CALLED. TED.  >> 24  >> ALL RIGHT PROMOTION. THE  PUBLIC COMMENT THERE. MAKE  MOTION.  >> I MAKE A MOTION TO THE  CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED  PULLING ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.  >> WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  MCDOWELL WE SENT CONSENT  AGENDA REMOVING ITEM A FOR  FURTHER DISCUSSION. HAVE A  SECONDED BY. RICH. NOTHING  ELSE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0  ASSISTANCE ASSISTANT CITY  MANAGER ABOUT ITEM.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DOUBT  TAKE IT AWAY.  >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE  ONE-ON-ONE MEETING WITH STAFF  AND REGARDING THIS RENEWAL. I  ALWAYS APPRECIATE WHEN THEY  ESTIMATES INSURANCE HIGHER  THAN IT ACTUALLY CAME AND  SHOCKINGLY CAME MUCH LOWER  THAN WHAT WE HAD ANTICIPATED  AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT  ESTIMATE CAME TO ABOUT  $790,000. WHEN I ASKED HOW IS  THAT MONEY GOING TO BE  REALLOCATED I TOLD THAT IT  WOULD MAKE UP FUND FOUND  SHORTFALLS. SO MY QUESTION HAS  TO DO WITH. THERE'S ABOUT 1.3  MILLION DOLLARS SHORTFALL IN  THE 5.30 ACCOUNT. IS ANY OF  THAT AMOUNT CONSIDERED PART OF  LIKE INSURANCE REIMBURSEMENTS  FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS.  >> THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR. AND  I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO FORWARD THESE  QUESTIONS. AHEAD OF TIME.  ♪ >> GOOD EVENING MANAGER FOR  CITY THAT 1.3 MILLION BTUS  ♪ NOT REFLECT THE MUFFINS OR THE  HURRICANE IAN AT IS. A  COLLECTION OF ON CLAIMS.  THERE'S NO FEMA REIMBURSEMENT  FOR THE 1.3 MILLION.  >> OKAY, SO THERE'S OTHER  CLAIMS OUTSIDE OF ANYTHING  RELATED TO HURRICANE IAN  THAT'S.  >> MAKING UP THAT 1.3 MILLION  WORKERS COMP AUTO LIABILITY  GENERAL LIABILITY CLAIMS AND  THAT THROUGH.  >> I DON'T REMEMBER IT BEING  SHORTFALL LAST YEAR.  >> AND I IT WAS A 100,000.  >> MAYBE I JUST ASSOCIATED  LAST YEAR'S AS BEING PART OF  YOU NOT ASKING THE QUESTION  BECAUSE IT WAS STILL AND SO.  >> YEAH WE'RE KEEPING ME AND  FUNDS SEPARATE FROM THE OTHER  FUNDS SO WE'RE STILL GOING TO  BE SHORT SO HOW ARE WE GOING  TO MAKE UP THAT SHORTFALL I  MEAN I THOUGHT THERE WAS I  THOUGHT THERE WAS THE WHOLE  PURPOSE OF SELF-INSURANCE WAS  OF SOME FUND BALANCE TO MAKE  UP ANY OF THOSE LOSSES THAT WE  MAY INCUR OUT.  >> YES YOU KNOW WE'RE TRYING  TO CORRECT WITH SOME INCREASES  TO THE ACTUAL WORKING FUND  THAT WE USE TO PAY SIGN OURS  WHICH IS THE SELF-INSURED  RETENTION FOR EACHLAIM. AND  SO THOSE INCREASES HAVE BEEN.  INCREASED COMMENTS OVER THE  LAST COUPLE YEARS AND THE  WORKING FUND BALANCE.  INSURANCE PREMIUM RENEWAL IS  WHAT I PRESENTED.  >> FOR THE APPROVAL IS FOR  THAT UNDERSTAND THAT I WAS  GOING TOTALLY DIFFERENT  DIRECTION WITH ALMOST $800,000  YES THAT WE COULD USED TOWARDS  THE BUDGET BUT HEARING THAT SO  MY GOSH WE'VE GOT TO COME UP  WITH A PLAN SO WE ARE IN THE  SHORT BALL FOR IN THE FUTURE  BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS  SELF-INSURED RISK WAS INTENDED  TO BE I'M HAVING THE SHORTFALL  I APPRECIATE EDUCATION AND  CONVERSATION AND I LOOK  FORWARD TO SUPPORTING THE  RENEWAL. BUT I APPRECIATE THE  CONVERSATION EVEN MORE ABOUT  THE SHORTFALL HOW WE'RE GOING  TO HAVE TO WORK ON GETTING  THAT MADE UP AND BRINGING IT  INTO A POSITIVE. THANK YOU  YOU'RE WELCOME.  >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT  THAT. ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR MOTION THAT ITEM. DO WE  HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON  THAT NOT OKAY.  >> I MAKE A MOTION GO AHEAD  MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  RENEWAL OF PROPERTY AND  CASUALTY AN ACCIDENT  DISMEMBERMENT INSURANCE WITH  THE GATHERING GREW.  >> FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425 IN THE  AMOUNT OF  2 MILLION 333 THOUSAND 2 166  POUNDS SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE DO HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL FOR ITEM 24 DASH 1,  2, 2, 8, APPROVE THE RENEWAL  OF THE PROPERTY AND CASUALTY  ACCIDENTAL DISMEMBERMENT  INSURANCE WITH THE KAREN DREW.  THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 FOR 2025  IN THE AMOUNT 2 MILLION 300  $33,000 AND A AND 66 AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY VICE SO I HAVE  AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OPEN.  MEAN YEAH. PASSES 5 TO 0.  OKAY.  >> THEN WE'RE GOING TO GENERAL  BUSINESS ITEM.  ♪ ♪ WHICH IS ON PAGE 8 OF GENDER I  THINK THEY ARE IT'S MY MAKE  SURE EVERYBODY PLACE FOR THIS.  >> THIS IS 24 DASH 1, 4, 1, 9  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING IMPROVEMENT  QUALIFICATIONS AND SALARY  AROUND NEW CITY ATTORNEY. CITY  CLERK THIS IS ACTUALLY YOUR  ITEM.  >> ACTUALLY JUST WITH CITY  MANAGER ALL RIGHT SO IS THIS  CITY MANAGER TAKEN AWAY. THANK  YOU THIS ITEM IS RESPECT TO  THE DISCUSSION OF THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S TREATMENT,  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING THE RECRUITMENT  POLITICIANS AND CELERY  PREDATORS FOR THE NEW CITY  ATTORNEY EXECUTIVE SEARCH. WE  HAVE WITH US THIS EVENING,  REMOTELY MISTER DOUG THOMAS  AND I BELIEVE HE WILL BE  ONLINE WITH US SHORTLY TO DO A  POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. ALL  THE CLERK'S HANDED OUT TO EACH  OF YOU A HARD COPY OF MISTER  THOMAS IS PRESENTATION. IT'S  TRYING COMPARE I'D HOPE SOURS  ARE YOU.  >> I'M GREAT. THANK YOU  GREETINGS FROM AS YOU'RE  PROBABLY AWARE WE ARE AT THE  INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY  MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION ANNUAL  CONFERENCE SO ABOUT 7500 OUR  COLLEAGUES THAT ARE HERE IN  PITTSBURGH RIGHT NOW I  CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE  JUGGLING YOUR SCHEDULE TO  ACCOMMODATE WHAT I'M DOING  THIS REMOTELY THIS EVENING AS  WELL SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.  MOST OF OUR FLORIDA FOLKS ARE  IN THE PROCESS OF HEADING HOME  TONIGHT TOMORROW MORNING AS  THE SIZE WORLD TRYING TO  ATTACK PART THEY WANT AND COST  YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN OF  CRAZINESS POST HURRICANE IAN,  THE LAST THING YOU NEED US  MORE CHALLENGES SO WE'LL KEEP  OUR GOOD THOUGHT OUT FOR ALL  OF OUR FORMER COLLEAGUES,  ESPECIALLY THOSE UP IN THE  PANHANDLE. I THINK RILEY HAS  SET UP TONIGHT SHERIFF SCREEN  OR AS RILEY GOING TO RUN  POWERPOINT ON ON MY BEHALF AND  TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE BEST  WAY WE'RE GOING TO WALK AWAY  THROUGH KIND OF A BRIEF  OVERVIEW.  >> WITH THE SEARCH PROCESS  LOOKS LIKE THEN WE CAN TALK  THROUGH A VARIETY OF THE  QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE LIKELY  TO HAVE FIND OUT IF I CAN  SHARE A SCREEN OR FRY LATER  SOMEBODY IS GOING TO RUN THE  POWERPOINT FROM THAT SIDE I  CAN DO IT AWAY.  >> RIGHT SAID THAT YOU CAN  SHARE IT'S WHEN FIGURE OUT A  WAY TO.  >> THIS IS THERE ARE RILEY  HELP ME OUT THIS IS PLATFORM.  I DON'T TYPICALLY USE ONE OF  MY USING TO PUSH FOR SHARING  THE SCREEN HERE.  >> WAITING FOR ANSWER WON  SECOND OKAY. NO I THINK FOUND  THE I THINK YEAH GOT EXCELLENT  SUPER ARE GOING TO GET THIS IN  A SLIDE SHOW FORMAT HERE. ALL  RIGHT GREAT CAUSE AT ALL  SHOWING THAT AROUND. PERFECT.  >> FOR SOME OF THE LAPTOP SO I  CAN SEE YOU AT THE SAME TIME  SEEING THE SCREEN SOMETHING  PLEASE JUMP IN IF THERE'S A  QUESTION AS WE GO FORWARD SO.  >> WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE  HELPFUL, I KNOW A FEW OF YOU  HAVE BEEN THROUGH A SEARCH WE  WORK WITH THE CITY COMMISSION  IN YOUR ORGANIZATION WHEN  DRONE BROUGHT IN AS PART OF  THE CITY AFTER SEARCHING MEN.  SO I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE  HELPFUL FOR WHO HAVE NOT SEEN  THIS SORT OF GET A FEEL FOR  UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE DID WAS WE  PROCESS. I KNOW MOST OF YOU  KNOW ME KNOW STR BUT I REALIZE  THAT A PUBLIC MEETING SO THAT  LIKELY TO BE SOME OF THE  QUESTIONS SO YOU BEAR WITH I'M  JUST KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH  FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW STR  THAT MAY BE WATCHING THIS  EVENING OR IN YOUR AUDIENCE.  WE ARE LOCAL GOVERNMENT  CONSULTING ALTHOUGH THE FIRM  IS BASED THE DALLAS FORT WORTH  METROPLEX AREA. WE WE HAVE ANY  KIND OF A VIRTUAL COMPANY  BEFORE COVID REQUIRED A LOT OF  VIRTUAL COMPANIES TO GO  FORWARD AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE  IN THE BACKGROUND WE'VE BEEN  AROUND SINCE 1999. IDENTIFIED  OUR CORE VALUES THAT THINK ARE  VERY IMPORTANT HER FACE HER  CLIENTS ARE CANDIDATES  OFFICIALS NOT FOR THE SENATE  HURTS. I ALWAYS HIGHLIGHT. THE  FACT THAT UNLIKE OTHER SEARCH  FOR JUST SEARCH FIRMS  RECRUITMENT FIRMS THAT  CERTAINLY ONE OF THE LARGEST  PUBLIC SECTOR EXECUTIVE  RECRUITMENT FIRMS IN THE BUT  BEYOND THAT PROVIDE A LOT OF  OTHER SERVICES SOME OF WHICH  YOU'VE HAD EXPOSURE TO AS WELL  STRATEGIC VISION FORESIGHT WE  RUN STRATEGIC VISION PROGRAM  CALLED ALLIANCE FOR INNOVATION  FOR HISTORY WOULD RUN OUT OF  THE INTERNATIONAL CITY COUNTY  MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. I  CERTAINLY DO A VARIETY OF  PROGRAMS AND SERVANT  LEADERSHIP WE TRY AND CLOSE TO  1000 GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN  THE COURSE OF MONTH. DO WANT  TO LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT  INTERIM MANAGEMENT CONFIRM  DEPARTMENT PLACES PLACEMENTS  EVEN BETTER SERVICES WHERE  INDIVIDUALS MAY ONLY WANT  SMOKE TO REALLY THE ONLY HR  DIRECTOR FOR A COUPLE DAYS A  WEEK FOR EXAMPLE. CERTAINLY  WORK WITH THEIR DOING  ASSESSMENTS PERSONNEL DUE  FRIDAY ABOUT TO BE ACTUALLY  SALT A VARIETY OF OUR NATIONAL  REGIONAL AND FUNCTIONS FOR  TRAINING PROGRAMS FOR ELECTED  OFFICIALS AND LOCAL  GOVERNMENT. I LIKE THAT  BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A  VARIETY 5 EXECUTIVE  RECRUITMENT FIRMS, BUT  ALTHOUGH WE MAY COMPETE IN  CERTAIN WINES WITH SOME OTHER  FOLKS WERE REALLY THE ONLY ONE  THAT DOES AND SO I THINK QUITE  FRANKLY THAT MAKES US A BETTER  STRONGER RECRUITMENT BECAUSE  WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE  CULTURE IN THE DNA OF  CHALLENGES ISSUES ASSOCIATED  WITH RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT  CERTAINLY THE FOLKS THAT WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT THIS  EVENING OTHER SEARCHES WE'VE  GOTTEN FOR YOUR COMMUNITY I  THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO  UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE CULTURE  OF THE DNA OPERATING  ENVIRONMENT WHICH ARE YOUR  FUNCTION THROUGH. ALL OF YOU  KNOW ME I WORKED WITH YOU NOW  ON SEVERAL YEARS WITH  GOVERNMENTS THE STRATEGIC  PLANNING WORKSHOPS NUMBER TEAM  BUILDING EXERCISES AND THINGS  OF THAT NATURE FOR THE BENEFIT  OF THOSE THAT MAY BE BRING  ABOUT 35 YEARS OF ACTIVE CITY  MANAGEMENT AND MARYLAND,  MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA. I  ACTUALLY I'M THE BEST  COMMERCIAL FOR US YOU ARE IF  YOU WILL I WHEN I WAS SITTING  AND RUN LIKE A MILD HEART  TISSUE ARE TO DO SOME WORK FOR  US. TO ASSIST AND WORKING ON  FINDING SEVERAL DIFFERENT  PARTY HATS AND THE PRINCIPLE  THAT FOR A LONG HAUL FEEL  MYSELF ARE VERY SIMILAR IN  SIGHT AND AND APPROACH TO  LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS  AND BEING STRATEGIC AND AND  VERY INNOVATIVE AND THE 2 OF  US KIND OF CLIFTON CONNECTED.  YEAH, I WAS SO INTERESTING  THAT AS CLIENT AS A CITY WE  HAD DURING QUALITY OF THE  CANDIDATES THAT WERE BROUGHT  TO ME AND VERY SEARCHES WERE  WORKING WITH US YOU ARE AND  HOW THEY WERE TREATED AND THAT  WHOLE EFFORT AND THE VALUE  THAT PLACED IN THOSE  INDIVIDUALS, BUT ALSO AS A  CLIENT IN TERMS OF MY  RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT'S YOUR  THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EFFORT SO  OF THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE  ULTIMATELY WRONG CONVINCED ME  TO TAKE AN EARLY RETIREMENT  JOINED THE FIRM NOW CLOSE TO 9  YEARS AGO ON A FULL-TIME BASIS  TO WORK AND DOING THINGS ARE  REALLY PASSIONATE CITY MANAGER  INCLUDING PIECE OF RECRUITMENT  ACTIVITY SO I'M STILL BASED IN  FLORIDA. ALTHOUGH I'M NOT HERE  IN FLORIDA BUT TRAVEL TO DO A  LOT OF WORK THROUGHOUT THE  STATE BUT ALSO PLANTS ACROSS  THE COUNTRY FRIDAY, DIFFERENT  FUNCTIONS STRATEGIC PLANNING  COUNCIL GOVERNMENTS COUNCIL  MANAGER RELATIONSHIP, CERTAIN  LEADERSHIP TRAINING THINGS OF  THAT NATURE AND THEN THE OTHER  3RD OF MY TIME TOOK TO STREETS  IN THE STATE NATIONAL  CONFERENCES TRENDS AND BEST  MANAGEMENT PRACTICES ISSUES AS  WELL SO CERTAINLY PLUGGED INTO  WHAT'S HAPPENING LOCAL  GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. REAL  QUICKLY WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WE  THINK THAT THERE ARE 5 STAGES  THAT WE ARE CRITICAL TO MAKE  RECRUITMENT LET'S START WITH A  CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING YOUR  CERTAINLY WE WORK WITH A LOT  OF COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE  COUNTRY MOST CITIES AND  COUNTIES WE WORK WITH MAY BE  VERY SIMILAR AS YOU'RE GOING  EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE  DIFFERENT NEEDS AND ISSUES THE  CHALLENGES AND DYNAMICS THE  SAME PLACE MAKING SURE MEET  WITH ALL OF OFFICIALS AND  CERTAINLY WITH THIS DIRECT  STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENT ON  THIS CASE, THE CITY AND THEN  OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IT DOES  CERTAINLY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS  OF THE KNEW WHICH THAT THE  NUMBERS INVOLVED WITH THE  SMELL OF FOLKS WILL BE COURT  YESTERDAY WHICH LIKE GETTING  THE I THINK YOU HAVE TO  CONTROL THE PANELS TO CHANGE  AS WE'RE STILL SINGS I'M  NUMBER ONE.  >> I HAD GO, I'M SHOWING MY 2  OR 3 SCREENS AND THAT'S  INTERESTING  >> IF YOU HIT ENTER AND SHOULD  BE ADVANCES. SO I WAS DOING,  YEAH I THINK IN THE LIVE SO  OVER ON THE LEFT.  >> THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT WE  JUST AND SO ARE YOU CHURCH.  THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.  YEAH. TELL YOU WHAT WHAT WE DO  THIS I WANT PLAY BUT I WANT TO  STOP SHARING WHAT YOU GUYS  COULD RUN LOCALLY IF THAT'S  POSSIBLE WORK.  >> MAYBE WE CAN USE THAT I'LL  BE HAPPY TO STAND DOWN THERE  AND FLIPPED IT DO THAT.  >> YEAH OR BECAUSE I'M AND I'M  SHOWING IT ADVANCING ON MY  SCREEN BUT REASONS OTHER THAN  SING WITH YOU SO THAT'S WHY  WE'VE  >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO QUIT  THE EU SAYING THE LITTLE  PANELS ON YOUR SCREEN ON THE  IS I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TO GET  THIS MANUALLY.  >> IT'S ON MY PATH. WE'RE  WORKING ON IT OK GOTCHA WELL.  >> LET I JUST KIND OF WORK MY  WAY I CAN VERBALIZE DECIDE  THAT AS I SAID TO GO FORWARD  BUT IF I'VE LOST THE SCREEN  NOW ON THE ABLE TO SEE YOU SO  I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE SURE  WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'VE  ♪ THAT CAN HEAR  ♪ US OUT. OK THANK YOU.  >> I WON THE FIRST RIGHT,  YEAH, YOU SEE THE SCREEN.  ANOTHER FIRST SLIDE AFTER THE  COVER SLIDE.  >> OKAY, YES I CAN I WANT  ROUTE WANTS TO LOOKS LIKE HE  WANTS FOR THAT FIND OUT THAT  THESE ON 5 I'M ONE ONE SLIDE  SLIDE FOR THAT'S CORRECT.  SORRY, OKAY. THANK YOU ALL US  THE TECHNOLOGY ISSUES MARVEL'S  TECHNOLOGY WE DO THE BANK YOU  FOR PATIENTS. TALKING EARLIER  FIRST AND FOREMOST IT'S OUR  ABILITY TO CERTAIN UNDERSTAND  THE CHALLENGES ISSUES BECAUSE  WE'RE GOING TO CERTAINLY  UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING IN  CITIES AND COUNTIES BUT EACH  COMMUNITY HAS THEIR OWN  DYNAMICS OF IT CERTAINLY A  NUMBER ONGOING LITIGATION  ISSUES THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY  AWARE OF ESPECIALLY WITH THE  ANNEXATION SOME OF THE OTHER  FUNCTIONS THAT ARE TAKING  PLACE THE GROWTH MANTRA  STRATEGY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT  STRATEGIES ALL THOSE PRIVATE  PARTNERSHIPS DISCUSSING  PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES THAT  IT'S JUST INTERESTING ATTORNEY  TO BE INVOLVED WITH.  >> LOOTING  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS AND  THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT  STARTS WITH KNOWING THAT I  THINK OBVIOUSLY GO I GOT ON  BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING  WITH YOU ON A NUMBER OF  STRATEGIC PLANNING ISSUES AND  THE MEMBER OF THE RECRUITMENT  SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO I THINK  WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD HEAD  START IN THAT GOT THAT ONE UP  DOING IS DEVELOPING A BROCHURE  THAT WE WILL MARKET THIS  POSITION. YOU STATE-OF-THE-ART  APPROACHES MOST OF THE PEOPLE  THAT ARE INVOLVED IN OUR OUR  ROLE SHE AND HER TEAM THAT  HELPS OUT THAT DOCUMENT COMES  FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENT SO WE  TRY TO RECOGNIZE YOU KNOW HOW  DO WE MAKE THIS IS ATTRACTIVE  TO CAN LET YOU MAY OR MAY NOT  BE AWARE OF NORTH PORT AND  WHAT'S GOING ON SO THEY CAN  USE THIS IS A LOT OF US TO  UNDERSTAND IT AND HOW WE  MARKET THIS POSITION, A  HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF SLIDES  AND DO THIS DIFFERENTLY TO TRY  TO REACH PASSIVE CANDIDATES IN  THE PROCESS. AS WE PRESENT  THOSE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR  YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND USE  ALEXA MY FINALIST AND THEN ALL  WE DO A VARIETY OF AS YOU KNOW  MY BACKGROUND IS A CITY  MANAGEMENT WE NEVER WANT TO  CATCH OUR BOARDS BY SURPRISE  IS CITY MANAGER. WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT NOBODY GOT CAUGHT  OFF GUARD AND WE BRING THAT  SAME PHILOSOPHY TO YOU AS YOU  RECRUITER IN A POSITION OF  THIS NATURE SO AS THEY WORK  THEIR WAY SEMIFINALS SERIAL  ONE FINAL YOUR ROLE AND ROLE  THAT WE GO TO INCREASING  LEVELS OF SCRUTINY ABOUT  SOCIAL MEDIA ANALYSIS LEGAL  CREDIT ACADEMIC REFERENCE  CHECKS THINGS OF ALL THAT  NATURE SO THAT WE'D END  SESSION OF THAT OF THOSE  CANDIDATES. THERE'S ALSO  OPPORTUNITY SEVERAL YOU YOU  ALL KNOW I OUGHT WORK WITH ALL  EU AND GOVERNORS WORKSHOPS  MANY TIMES STATIONS THAT HAVE  DONE I OFTEN I OFTEN WONDER  CANDIDATES SO THEY KIND OF SEE  HOW THEY FIT INTO THAT PROCESS  THAT I JUST FOLKS. BUT 40 NOT  ONLY ARE WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU  AS A CLIENT, IT'S REALLY  IMPORTANT FOR US TO TREAT  RESPECT THAT RELATIONSHIP BUT  AT THE END OF THE DAY ARE  CARELESS AND APPLY FOR THIS  POSITION ONLY GOING TO HIRE  AND SO WE REALLY WANT TO TREAT  THOSE CANDIDATES WITH THE  UPMOST RESPECT TO DEAL WITH  THEM AS THEY'RE WORKING THEIR  WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS  BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT GET  SELECTED WANT TO REALLY BUT  THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE  NOT A TOP NOTCH CAMERA MAKE  ITS LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT  COMMUNITY ELSEWHERE IF WE  DON'T TREAT THEM LIKE AS  SOMEONE GOING THROUGH THIS  PROCESS. THAT IS HELPFUL TO TO  THEM FOR CONSIDERATION. AND WE  WANT THEM TO SUCCESSFUL TRYING  TO PROMOTE THE PROFESSION AS  WELL SO WE TRY TO DO THAT. BUT  WE ALSO TRY TO MAKE SURE OUR  CANDIDATES DON'T GET CAUGHT BY  MUSA PRICES AS THEY'RE WORKING  THEIR WAY THROUGH THAT MIGHT  SAY HEY IF I KNOW THAT DROP  OUT EARLY OR SOMETHING OF THAT  NATURE AND THEN ABOVE BEYOND  THAT WE UP WITH CITIZEN THIS  CRITIC POSITION YOU'VE GOT 3  APPOINTMENTS WHICH A NEW  MANAGER EUROPE LURK IN YOUR  CITY ATTORNEY. AND SO ARE WE  IF WE GO THROUGH OUR EFFORT WE  THINK IT'S SUCCESSFUL WE STAND  BEHIND THAT PROCESS FOR A 12  MONTH WINDOW THAT PERSONALLY  FOR WHATEVER REASON WE REDO  THE SEARCH WITHOUT A  PROFESSION FEET SO, AND BEST  OF MY CLIENTS, LOVE THEM ALL,  BUT I REALLY DON'T COME BACK  AND DO A SEARCH A SECOND AND  SOMETHING VERY PROCESS AS SO  NEXT SLIDE. I MENTIONED  EARLIER ABOUT THE POSITION  PROFILE PRO I GAVE YOU AN  EXAMPLE GET IN THE PROPOSAL  THAT YOU BEFORE YOU WERE JUST  RECENTLY COMPLETED A COUNTY  ATTORNEY POSITION. FOR INDIAN  RIVER COUNTY OF DONE A NUMBER  OF OTHER RECRUITS FOR THEM AS  WELL, SO YOU KNOW THE  ORGANIZATION PRETTY WELL WE'VE  THROUGH THAT EFFORT. AND YOU  SEEN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS  JUST THE COVER SHOT THE TALK  ABOUT THAT REALLY WANT TALK  ABOUT HOW YOUR STRUCTURED IN  THE ORGANIZATION AND BUDGET  PROCESS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED  WITH ELECTION ZUCKER SONS ALL  THESE THIS POSITION REPORTS TO  YOU AS A AS AS A COMMISSION. I  WILL CERTAINLY DRILL DOWN INTO  THE POSITION TO TALK ABOUT HOW  THEY'RE STRUCTURED THE BUDGET  THAN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE  INVOLVED THE PROJECT STRUGGLED  WITH THERE. WE ALSO  INCORPORATE A SECTION CALLED  CHALLENGES OPPORTUNITIES WERE  BEYOND THE DAY-TO-DAY RUNNING  THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY  THE CITY ATTORNEY'S THERE'S A  VARIETY OF OTHER SPECIAL  PROJECTS OR INITIATIVES THAT  ARE IN PLACE WE LIKE TO TO  HIGHLIGHT THOSE ONCE AGAIN  CANDIDATES CAN SAY GLAD THAT  RIGHT BACK GROUND SKILL SET OR  EXPERIENCE. AND THEN THROUGH  THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I  MENTIONED EARLIER TALKING WITH  EACH YOU TALKING WITH THE  SHEEN LEADERSHIP TALKING WITH  THE STAFF AND TALKING WITH  ANYONE ELSE THAT YOU FEEL IS  IMPORTANT FOR US TO ENGAGE  WE'RE GOING TO PAINT A PROFILE  OF AN IDEAL CANDIDATE AND  THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF  HARD AND SOFT IT WILL  CERTAINLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT  WHAT'S REQUIRED OF POSITION IN  TERMS OF THIS CASE OBVIOUSLY  BEING A MEMBER OF FLORIDA BAR  THINGS OF THAT NATURE BUT THIS  IS THE STUFF ABOUT WHAT TYPE  OF PERSON IS LIKELY THE BEST  BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS POSITION  AND SO THERE'S A LOT LOT OF  SOFT SKILL ISSUES AND A LOT OF  INSIGHTS THAT WE CAPTURE FROM  YOUR COMP WITH THE  CONVERSATIONS THAT IF I USE  THE EXPERIENCE THE  COMPENSATION BENEFITS AND WE  WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT  ABOUT COMPENSATION HERE  SHORTLY AS WELL AND OUR OUR  PROFILES HAVE A LOT OF  PICTURES AND GRAPHICS SOME  LINKS AND MATERIAL SO THE  CANDIDATES HAVE EVERYTHING IN  ONE SPOT THAT THEY CAN CLICK  ON AND GET A FEEL FOR AS I SAY  THIS IS HOW WE MARKET  POSITION. BUT THEY CAN YOU  TERM AND IS THIS AN  OPPORTUNITY THAT WE TRUST IN  ME AS PROFESSIONAL. INSTEAD  THE MOVIE OF LIFE POTENTIALLY  TO YOUR COMMUNITY SO IT'S NOT  JUST ABOUT THAT REALLY IS THE  TOP. WHICH THEY CAN OPERATE TO  KIND OF TOUCH TRACES ALL THE  RECRUITMENT AND ACTIVITIES BUT  I WAS LIKE TO SHOW THE SLIDE A  LAST WEEK SPEAKING TO THEM.  MUNICIPAL LEAGUE AS A CLOSING  HE ABOUT WHICH GROUP AND RICK  CHALLENGES YOU'VE THIS IS A  VERY CHALLENGING MARKET PLACE  TO BE INVOLVED FOR A VARIETY  OF REASONS A LOT OF BABY  BOOMERS RETIRE. THEY'RE  RETIRING EVERY DAY FROM NOW TO  2030 10,000 INDIVIDUALS ACROSS  THE COUNTRY HIT RETIREMENT.  AND THAT'S TRUE 2030 SO WE'RE  YOU KNOW THAT TAKING THE  PYTHON SO TO SPEAK OF  EXPERIENCE AND TALENT SENIOR  LEADERSHIP IS STARTING  ULTIMATELY MOVE THEMSELVES.  THIS YOU KNOW NOT ALL  ATTORNEYS AND ON THE PUBLIC  SECTOR, BUT CERTAINLY AS A  GROUP SOME MAJOR DEMOGRAPHIC  SHIFT THAT'S TAKING PLACE. AND  SO WHAT YOU FIND IS THERE WHEN  YOU LOOK AT FOLKS THAT ARE  STILL INTERESTED IN LOCAL  GOVERNMENT THAT IS TO BE A  SMALLER NUMBER FOR A VARIETY  OF REASONS. BUT THE BOTTOM  LINE IS YOU REALLY HAVE TO  MARKET POSITIONS I WILL TELL  YOU IN THE 9 YEARS. THAT'S YOU  ARE WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO  ARE ARE ON OUR OUR MARKETING  OUTREACH IN AN ADVERTISEMENT  LIKE ALWAYS YOU KNOW OF AIR. 4  CANDELAS THERE'S NOT A SEARCH  THAT I DO NOT REACHING BACK  INTO OTHER QUALIFIED  CANDIDATES. POSITIONS NOT TO  GET THEM AWARE OF THIS  OPPORTUNITY AND THAT WE'RE  INVOLVED WITH AND SO IT JUST  TAKES A LOT TO DO THAT PART  HAS I THINK AGGRESSIVELY  LOOKING WE CALL PASSIVE CAN'T  LET SINCE YOU CAN SEE FROM THE  STATISTICS. THERE'S A VARIETY  OF FOLKS REALLY DON'T ARE  ACTIVELY LOOKING AT THESE AND  SO WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TO  SHAKE THE TREES MAKE SURE  THEY'RE AWARE OF TO AND SO ON  THE MALL'S A VARIETY OF  OUTREACH SEEN SOME EXAMPLES  ARE LINKED AND ARE WE HAVE A  AND OUR JOB ALERTS WERE  INDIVIDUAL SIGN UP FOR CERTAIN  TYPES OF POSITIONS AND SO  EVERY FRIDAY THEY GET LAST OF  THAT AND WE ALSO HAVE A MAJOR  HE'S OUT TO WELL OVER 50 FOLKS  NOW. 3 INCLUDING ABOUT 50  FLORIDA. EVE NEWSLETTER A  SERVANT LEADERSHIP AND THAT  INCORPORATES TOPICS OF  INTEREST TO MOBILE GOVERNMENT  BUT ABOUT BEHIND THAT WE USE  THAT AS A MARKETING PIECE. SO  TALK ABOUT A NUMBER OF THE  SEARCHES WERE CALLED SO PEOPLE  THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY  LOOKING FOR DROP WE'LL SEE AND  HAD A PROGRAM MAYBE CLICK ON  THAT LINK AND GO FORWARD SO  THAT PART BRING TO THE TABLE.  NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE WILL  CERTAINLY RECOMMEND AS PART OF  THIS PROCESS THAT YOU DO A  STATE NATIONAL. GO TO THE  VARIOUS TRADE ASSOCIATIONS,  BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE  COLLECTIVELY YOU MAY GET ABOUT  25 THAT WE HAD WAR. NATIONAL  AND TRADE ASSOCIATIONS THINGS  OF THAT NATURE. NOW CLOSE YOU  KNOW CLOSE TO TWO-THIRDS OF  OUR CANDIDATES THAT GET  SELECTED IN SEMIFINALS AND  THEN FROM THERE OVER THE  BECOME FINALIST AS WELL. HEARD  ABOUT THE POSITIONS ARE  SOMETHING WE'VE DONE SO IS OUR  OUTREACH IT'S OUR TENANTS AND  IT'S THE LAST OF SAID OUT OF  POSITIONS AND THAT WORKS USES  OF. ALTHOUGH IT'S IMPORTANT TO  ADVERTISE THAT'S ALL PART OF  TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL OUTREACH  AND WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL IN  THAT REGARD. NEXT SLIDE  >> OUR PRODUCT. BUT ABOUT 12.  >> FROM THE TIME THE EU THE  COMMUNITY GIVES US THE GREEN  LIGHT TO LAUNCH THE POSITION.  SO WELL THAT THAT THE FIRST 30  DAYS AFTER WE'VE WE'VE  DEVELOPED A POSITION PROFILE  READY GO WHEN YOU SAY GO THAT  FIRST 30 DAYS AS POSSIBLE  HOPING THE CANDIDATE POOL  GETTING A QUALIFIED. WE THE  STATE. SHOULD BE A WITH CHART  APARTMENT OR ANDRUS DEPARTMENT  OR YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE  YOU UPDATES ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE  STANDING IN THIS PROCESS, HOW  THE CANDIDATE POOL IS  DEVELOPING. YOU HAVE  DEMOGRAPHICS ABOUT WHAT THEY  LOOK AND YOU KNOW WHERE  THEY'RE COMING FROM IF THEIR  AGES AS FOR THE RACIAL MIXTURE  AND DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION  EDITION. I'LL GIVE YOU AN  INSIGHT ABOUT WHETHER THINGS  ARE GOING WELL AND GOING TO  MARKET POSITION OR WHAT WE MAY  BE DOING TO CONTINUE TO MARKET  POSITION OF THE BOYS AND THE  STRONGEST LIKE SO YOU'LL GET  THOSE UPDATES FOR THAT FIRST  30 DAYS IS DOING OUR STAFF TO  GET QUALIFY FOR AND THEN  TYPICALLY. THE TO 10 DAYS  AFTER THE POSITION CLOSES  WE'RE BACK WITH YOU TO TRIAGE  THOSE CANDIDATES AND OUTLINE  HERE ARE THE FOLKS ARE STRONG  FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE  WE'LL SELECT A NUMBER OF  SMALLER NUMBER THEY CAN BE 8  TO 10 OR 12 OR WHERE THAT  SHAKES OUT THAT YOU WANT TO  JUST LEARN MORE ABOUT AND  THOUGH BOTH SO QUESTION.  MENTIONED THE POSITION IN  FIELD. WE SPRINKLE IN  INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY  WOULD ADDRESS WITH THEIR  BACKGROUND SOME OF THE  CHALLENGES AND ISSUES THAT  WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE  POSITION. AND WE'RE ALWAYS  ASKING ABOUT THINGS THAT MIGHT  BE OF CONCERN TO A FUTURE  EMPLOYER. SO WE START TO HEAR  FROM THEM DIRECTLY IS AS WE'RE  ALSO DOING SOME FACT CHECKING  ON THEIR BACKGROUNDS AS WELL.  WEST ABOUT COMPENSATION AND  BENEFITS OF A LOT. GIVE US AN  IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING  FOR. SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF  WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE A JUROR  WILL BE AVAILABLE THAT  INFORMATION AVAILABLE WHICH IS  GOING TO MY FINALS AND JUST  GIVE THEM A CHANCE ALSO SOME  THINGS YOU CARRY US ABOUT  DON'T KNOW ABOUT. YOU KNOW WHO  THEY ARE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.  SO THAT WE ANSWER THOSE  RESPONSES. WE DO VIDEO  INTERVIEWS, YOU'LL PACKAGE ALL  YOU'RE A YOUR CHANCES ABOARD  REVIEW THAT MATERIAL AND THEN  WE'RE BACK WITH YOU AFTERWARDS  AND HELPING YOU SELECT YOUR  FINEST THAT SECOND MONTH  FINALIST AND ALLOWING THEM TO  DO TOGETHER WORKING WITH YOU  TO REVIEW OAK ISLAND FINALS  AND AS YOU'RE APPROACHING THAT  LAST. EXCESSIVE OKAY NOW YOU  SELECTED YOUR FINALIST WE HAVE  A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCESS  WHERE WE INVOLVE RECOMMEND  THAT THE STAFF WAS INVOLVED IN  IN SOME OF THESE FOLKS NOT  SELECTING THEM. BUT WE'RE  WATCHING HOW THEY FIT WITH THE  CULTURE AND THE DESIRE. THE  ORGANIZATION DEPARTMENT MANY  TIMES FOR POSITIONS LIKE THIS  YOU'RE SEEING THEIR STAFF.  THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WE OFTEN  SOMETIMES 70 DEGREES  INTERNALLY AND OR EXTERNALLY  WORK WITH YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS  AND FEELS LIKE. PROPOSED  QUESTIONS FOR THOSE ARE  INVOLVED AND IF THERE'S A MEET  AND GREET IT'S YOUR WORK WITH  YOUR STAFF OR PRESS RELEASES  MEDIA AND OUTS AND THINGS OF  THAT NATURE PICTURES AND BIOS  GRAPHICS AND THE SECOND DAY OF  THE DINNER. 3 IS WHERE WOULD  BE. ASHLEY INDIVIDUALLY  INITIALLY AS ONE ON ONES AND  THAT OFTEN AND THEY AS  CERTAINLY AS A GROUP INTERVIEW  AS THE WORST ON IN THE PUBLIC  SESSION AND WERE THERE TO WORK  WITH YOU TO PREPARE YOU WITH  YOUR BILL QUESTIONS AND ISSUES  HANDLE SCHEDULING THE  LOGISTICS OF ALL THAT. WITH  HUGE IT ONCE IDENTIFY WHO YOUR  FINAL CANDIDATE IS TO ASSIST  YOU IN THE NEGOTIATIONS AND  PUTTING THE OTHER BACKGROUND  AND AS PART OF THAT WE DO THE  CRIMINAL HISTORY CREDIT  REFERENCE LET STAFF STAGE 2,  WHICH IS ALL DONE AS WELL SO  NEXT SLIDE. SAY MOST OF YOU  KNOW AS YOU ARE NO ME AT THIS  STAGE OF THE BUT JUST TO BE  AND I DID $0.2 I MENTIONED  WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST  PUBLIC SECTOR EXECUTIVE THE  FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY.  >> BUT SO WE HAVE A STRONG  NATIONAL PRESENCE BUT AS MANY  YOU KNOW I'VE RUN INTO YOU  LEAGUE MEETINGS OTHER EVENTS  AS WE ARE VERY WELL PLUGGED  INTO THE STATE OF FLORIDA  WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE  ORGANIZATION. BUSINESS SERVING  ON POLICE IS FOR POLICY  COMMITTEES THE MANY OF US  SYSTEM THAT KEEPS US TOUCH  WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH  VARIETY OF POTENTIAL  CANDIDATES AS WELL AS  ORGANIZATIONS AND THEN WE ALSO  SUPPORT THE CENTER FOR FLORIDA  LOCAL PROPERTY ONE OF FEW  SPONSORS DONORS AND THAT A  FAIRLY REGULAR PRESENTER AND  SECRET THOSE FUNCTIONS AS WELL  AS ALL THAT HELPS US GET  PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THAT'S  YOUR HEART BELIEVE THAT  PROCESS PUTS US IN YOU CAN  THAT'S I'M NOT NOT ACROSS THE  COUNTRY. BUT CERTAINLY HERE  STATE AS NEXT SLIDE. JUST GET  A AS I MENTIONED EARLIER GIVE  YOU MY TIME EXECUTIVE COUNCIL  RETREAT, STRATEGIC PLANNING  COUNCIL MANAGER RELATIONSHIP  THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND  SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS THIS IS  CERTAINLY I'VE NOW WITH TIME  COME CLOSE OVER 3 ACROSS THE  COUNTRY BUT JUST GIVE ME A  SNAPSHOT, YOU KNOW THOSE THAT  I'VE DONE HERE IN FLORIDA.  SINCE THIS LARGELY BEFORE  DRIVEN TALK A LITTLE THAT'S  THE CASE AS WELL AND THE  EXCELLENT PLACE. IN ADDITION  TO CERTAINLY THE BUT I ACROSS  THE COUNTRY I WANT TO JUST  HIGHLIGHT THIS IS CERTAINLY IN  OUR WHEELHOUSE WE'RE CURRENTLY  ON ENGAGED TO WORK WITH YOU TO  DO A RECRUITMENT WE'RE ABOUT  READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON  ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY FOR  YOU PLEASE LEGAL ADVISER, KIND  OF PUT THAT ON HOLD UNTIL WE  FIGURED OUT ONCE AMBER HAD  ANNOUNCED RESIGNATIONS WE NEED  TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THAT.  BUT BEYOND THAT JUST MENTIONED  JUST FINISHED INDIAN RIVER  COUNTY FLORIDA COUNTY ATTORNEY  BUT I'VE SEVERAL OTHER  SEARCHES FOR YOU AND YOUR  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE A REALLY  GOOD STRONG WORKING KNOWLEDGE  OF THE CULTURE AND PEOPLE IN  KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS AND  FEELS LIKE SHE CAN SAY WAS  CITY ATTORNEY IN 2023. WE DID  YOUR POLICE LEGAL ADVISER BACK  IN 2022. NASSAU COUNTY AND  ASSISTANT COUNTY SEARCH IN AND  THEN ALSO MARGARET WHO WILL  RETIRING YOU'RE LATER, WHICH  IS KIND OF CAUSING THE  TRANSITION WITH POLICE LEGAL  ADVISER. THAT THAT SEARCH BACK  IN 2019 AND THEN A COUPLE OF  THE CHURCH IS IN OUR STATE  AREAS AS WELL SO I CERTAINLY A  COMFORT ZONE FOR CERTAINLY  DONE A NUMBER FOR YOU IN  PARTICULAR BUT ALSO ACROSS THE  COUNTRY STATE. AND JUST A  COUPLE OF SLIDES AND WILL OPEN  UP FOR SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE  I KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT  SOME OTHER ISSUES AS EARLIER I  THINK THEY WERE REALLY STRONG  BECAUSE NUMBER ONE I THINK WE  KNOW YOU VERY WELL  ORGANIZATION FROM THE WORK  THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH BUT  WE CERTAINLY WANT TO LOCAL  GOVERNMENT ALL THOSE  RELATIONSHIPS WE DEVELOPED  CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT STAFF  AND ATTORNEYS MANAGERS AND  APARTMENT HAS ALL HELP US  IDENTIFY KEY FOLKS FOR  POSITION SUCH I TALKED ABOUT  OUR OUR A R ARE CERTAIN  LEADERSHIP NEWSLETTER SENT  EVERY TUESDAY AS I SAID  THERE'S OVER 1500 PEOPLE TO  SEE THAT JUST IN FLORIDA  40,000 PEOPLE ACROSS THE  COUNTRY. THAT WILL SEE THAT  YOUR POSITION WILL BE FEATURED  IN THAT REGION AS WELL. WE  ALSO RUN A VERY ACTIVE. OUR  OWN WEBSITE. BUT WE ALSO RUN  ANOTHER JOB OR GET STRAIGHT  ALL OF OUR COMPETITORS AND  MANY OTHER 2 LANES WORK WITH  ACROSS THE SO IT'S ANOTHER  RESOURCE THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND  ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES AND THE  NEXT DOWN TALKS ABOUT WE  REALLY FEEL ONE OF THE THINGS  THAT YOU ALL KNOW PASSION  ABOUT ABOUT THE NEXT  GENERATION OF LEADERS AND  LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE LOOK  AND FEEL DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I  FIRST STARTED THIS BUSINESS A  LONG CLOSE WELL OVER 40 YEARS  AGO. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE  FACT THAT WE HAVE STANDING  RELATIONSHIPS WITH A VARIETY  OF GROUPS THAT WE THANK FOR  HEALTH, CANDIDATE POOL CHARGE  TABLES WE TRACK EVERY YEAR  WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR ALMOST  A 3RD OF OUR PLACEMENTS NOW  THESE ARE FOR ALL DIFFERENT  POSITIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY  NOT JUST CITY DEPARTMENT HEADS  AND THE OTHER POSITIONS FOR  CLOSE TO A 3RD OF ARC AND OR  FEMALE. THAT WERE SELECTED IN  POSITIONS 20% INDICATING A  PERSON OF COLOR SO WE REALLY  DO NOT WALK THE TALK OF TRYING  TO BE VERY INCLUSIVE AND  HELPING YOU BUILD CULTURALLY  DIVERSE ORGANIZATION, THE END  OF THE DAY YOU MAKE THIS  ELECTION ABOUT OUR GOAL IS TO  HELP YOU SET THE TABLE THAT  BRINGS YOU A DIVERSE FOR  CANDIDATES QUALIFY FOR YOUR  CONSIDERATION. AND AT THE END  BASICALLY SAY THAT I THINK  IT'S IMPORTANT YOU KNOW ANY OF  YOUR RECRUITING FIRMS CAN GET  YOU A STACK OF CANDIDATES. I  WILL TELL YOU THE POOL WILL BE  SMALLER JUST BECAUSE OF THE  DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE SHIPS AND  SPOKE OF EARLIER. BUT AT THE  END OF THE DAY IT'S ALL ABOUT  AND YOU'RE TO HIRE ONLY ONE OF  THOSE INDIVIDUALS EVEN THE  POPE FOR MANY SMALLER OUR GOAL  TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A VERY  QUALIFIED PULLED WHICH TO  CONSIDER FROM AND THEN FROM  WITH THE STEPS OF THE PROCESS  WE BRING TO THE TABLE TO MAKE  SURE THAT THE CANDIDATE. IT'S  A FOR UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR  ORGANIZATION YOUR COMMUNALLY  AS WELL AS YOU GETTING FOR  UNDERSTANDING CAMERA IT'S  TWO-WAY STREET, IT'S NOT JUST  ONE THAT WE REALLY HAVE FOCUS  ON SET AND WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT THOSE CANDIDATES ARE  GOING TO STAY WITH YOU AND CAN  CONTINUE TO GROW WITH YOU  PROFESSIONALLY AND PERSONALLY.  YEAH I THINK YOU SEE THAT WITH  THE SOCIALLY WE EVERYBODY  CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT  SUMMERTIME COMING ON THAT WHY  WE DO WHAT WE DO IN THE WAY  WITH WHICH WE DO IT. AND THEN  THE LAST BEFORE WE GET TO  QUESTION IS IS JUST TO GIVE  YOU A SENSE IT'S EASY WAY TO  TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT I THINK  AND HOW GOOD WE DO THIS WORK.  BUT WE ACTUALLY DID ENGAGE THE  NATIONAL RESEARCH CENTER THAT  NOW WITHOUT POLL GO UP ONE  POINT THEY WERE THE NATIONAL  RESEARCH CENTER BEFORE THEY  JUST CHANGE THE NAME. AND WE  ACTUALLY WANTED TO GET A SENSE  WE DO A LOT OF OUR OWN SELF  ASSESSMENTS AND AFTER RESEARCH  WE DO SURVEYS OF OUR CLIENTS  AND OUR CANDIDATES ABOUT WHAT  WORKED WHAT DIDN'T WORK HOW DO  WE IMPROVE FEEDBACK. BUT WE  WANTED TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE A  NUMBER 3RD. BOTH REGIONAL AND  NATIONAL SEARCH FIRMS TO A 42  PUBLIC EXECUTIVE RECRUITMENT  FIRM AS YOU CAN SEE MONEY  GOING FROM LEVELS WE'RE VERY  PLEASED THAT WE RECEIVED THE  HIGHEST OVERALL RATINGS FOR  AIDS SPECIFIC MEASURE OF  QUALITY AND YOU CAN SEE ALL  THOSE IN SOME POINT SO WE  THINK WE WALK THE TALK AND  IT'S GREAT VALUE TO OUR  CLIENTS IS AND AS I SAID WE'RE  WE'RE LOCAL GOVERNMENT  PROFESSIONALS WANT TO ADVANCE  BUSINESS IN THIS PROFESSION.  AS BEST WE CAN  ♪ AND HELP LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BE  AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY LET ME  STOP THE NEXT SLIDE IS  QUESTIONS LIVE. BUT UNLESS YOU  WANT TO GO BACK WE CAN GET  BACK TO 2 WAY VIDEO TALK  THROUGH IT BECAUSE I KNOW YOU  WANT TO ABOUT SALARY IS MORE  TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT  TIMETABLES AND THINGS LIKE  THAT. FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY  QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT  PROCESS LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE  THE POLICE I GET WANTS US  ♪ TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS YOU  HAVE.  >> OKAY WE DO QUESTIONS HUGGED  AND WE DID SEE YOUR FACE THERE  FOR A SO I'M HOPING IT'S NOT  TALKING FROM. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR.  >> I DO WANT SALARY RANGE ARE  WE LOOKING FOR THESE DAYS AND  THIS POSITION.  >> SO AND I ACTUALLY I  ACTUALLY WORKED WITH YOUR  STAFF TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT.  TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT  THEY'VE SEEN IN THE POSITION  WHERE I CAN TELL YOU JUST GIVE  LET ME TELL YOU JUST GO OF  RECENT SEARCHES AND THINGS  THAT ARE IN THE MARKETPLACE  THAT I THINK WOULD BE LIKELY  TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHERE I  THINK THIS RANGE IS AT. I JUST  MENTIONED I JUST FINISHED THE  SEARCH FOR INDIAN RIVER THERE  ABOUT A 165,000 POPULATION BUT  COMPARABLY SIZED AS RELATES TO  ATTORNEYS AND CAUSE I  PROFESSIONALS AND PARALEGALS  AND STAFF TO WHAT YOU HAVE A  PORT. WE ADVERTISED THAT RANGE  AND A 192 TO 20, I'M THE  CANDIDATE WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD  WHO IS A BOARD COUNTY CONTRACT  WORK BUT ALSO HAD DONE  IN-HOUSE COUNTY WE'VE BROUGHT  ON THAT CAN LOOK AROUND 2 O 5.  I KNOW THAT THERE'S POSITION  IN DELTONA WE'RE NOT DOING THE  SEARCH BUT I'VE SEEN IT  ADVERTISED DELTONA FLORIDA  OVER IN VOLUSIA COUNTY UP  FAIRLY COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO  YOU THEY'RE CLOSE TO A 100,000  POPULATION. THEY ADVERTISED  INITIALLY WHEN I WAS TOLD OR  LOWER RATE BUT THE MARKETING  THAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THEIR  POSITION FOR A CITY ATTORNEY  IS A 180 TO 15. I'VE SEEN  THROUGH THE WORK CHRISTINE  MCDADE HAS AND REACH OUR  DEPARTMENT FORT MYERS'S  POSITION ABOUT TO 56 SARASOTA  COUNTIES AROUND 2.50. I KNOW  YOUR AMBER'S IN THAT YOU KNOW  I THINK IT  ♪ >> WENDY THINK IS WHAT I HAD  SEEN AS WELL.  >> IT DIDN'T ROUGH NUMBERS. I  THINK YOU PROBABLY HAVE 80 TO  20 TO FIND THAT OUT WE'VE DONE  THIS A COUPLE DIFFERENT SOME  OF MY CLIENTS ADVERTISED THE  POSITION RANGE. AND THAT'S  THERE'S A RISK WITH THAT  BECAUSE WHEREVER THE TOP OF  THAT RANGE IS IF SOMEONE IS  CLOSE TO THAT THEY MAY NOT  APPLY AND THEY MAY BE AN  OUTSTANDING CANDIDATE AND IF  YOU DON'T SEE YOU DON'T KNOW  WHAT THEY POTENTIALLY BRING TO  THE TABLE AND SO MANY OF MY  ORGANIZATIONS DON'T  NECESSARILY ADVERTISE THE GIVE  CANDIDATES CONVERSATIONS ABOUT  WHERE I THINK THEY'RE LIKELY  LAND AND THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE  TOP OF THE RANGE. THEY'RE NOT  ASKING FOR ANOTHER 100,000 OR  SOMETHING ABOVE THAT I  ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY. AND  THAT WAY YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO  SEE THEM AND COMPARE THEM TO  OTHER CANDIDATES THAT MAY OR  MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE THE  SAME LEVEL EXPERIENCE AND THAT  WAY YOU'RE KIND OF IN CONTROL  THAT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE  GOT A GOOD QUALITY FULL THAT'S  IN YOUR SALARY RANGE. YOU'RE  GOOD TO GO. BUT IF YOU SEE ONE  OR 2 CAN IT'S PRESSURE A  LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU  THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE TOP OF  THE RANGE THAT YOU REALLY LIKE  WHAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE.  YOU'LL YOU'LL KNOW WHAT THEIR  SALARY EXPECTATIONS ARE AND IF  YOU WANT TO WE CAN BRING THEM  INTO THE EQUATION BUT WE HAVE  TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION  BEFORE OBVIOUSLY GO FURTHER  WITH THEM. BUT SO MANY OF MY  CLIENTS DON'T NECESSARILY  ADVERTISE THE RANGE, BUT I  HAVE USED BALLPARK FEEL FOR  WHERE I THINK IT IS INSTINCTS  ARE YOU'RE ON THE TO 20 DON'T  KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BLOW UP  ANY INTERNAL EQUITY ISSUES  YOU'VE GOT PLACE IN THAT AREA  SO HOPEFULLY THAT ADDRESSES  THE QUESTION I CAN CERTAINLY  GO DEEPER IF NEED THAT THAT  GIVES ME A PRETTY GOOD I HAVE  COUPLE OF MORE SPECIFIC I  ♪ THINK MAYBE THE CITY ATTORNEY  WANTS TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.  >> THANKS MAYOR. I JUST WANTED  TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD AND  HR CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG  BUT I BELIEVE MY CURRENT PAY  IS 2 '09. THAT'S THE STRAY  LINE WITH THAT YOU A COUPLE OF  OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE MY  CONTRACT AND I WAS DUE FOR  ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REVIEW THIS  MONTH. SO PRESUMABLY THAT  WOULD HAVE INCREASED AT LEAST  HISTORICALLY.  >> THANK AND REMEMBER YEAH.  >> AND THAT LOWER THE I THINK  MIGHT MIGHT IMPACT INTERNET.  EQUITY THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO.  DEPUTY THAT'S SO. OKAY THANK  YOU FOR THAT CITY ATTORNEY.  >> HAVE A COUPLE MORE CAN I  KEEP I'VE BEEN AT THE TOP.  >> OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF  INTERVIEW PROCESS QUESTIONS.  >> I DO RECALL THAT WITH OUR  CITY MANAGER WE DID HAVE A  COMMUNITY OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE  HAD NARROWED FIELD TO A COUPLE  OF CANDIDATES THAT FOLKS IN  THE COMMUNITY HAD AN  OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.  >> MAKE THEM AND CHAT WITH  THEM, I'M I'M ASSUMING WE  WOULD HAVE EVENT WITH THE CITY  ATTORNEY POSITION.  >> GREAT 2 THINGS ONE UP THANK  YOU AMBER KNOW I KNEW YOU'RE  RIGHT NUMBER AND I I LOOKED AT  THE WRONG SHEETS I APOLOGIZE  ON THAT ONE APOLOGIZE AND THAT  TONIGHT IS A NUMBER THAT I  SEEN AS AND THAT EFFORTS  APOLOGIZE FOR CONTENTION  THERE. WANTS TO YOUR OTHER  QUESTION WE OFTEN FOR  POSITIONS LIKE THIS THAT ARE  HIGHLY WE DEFER TO YOU I WILL  TELL YOU THAT ALL TIMES WE DO  SEARCHES FOR CITY MANAGERS WE  ALWAYS HAVE NORMALLY AN  INTERNAL ARE MANY CASES AND  OBVIOUSLY AN EXTERNAL ON  BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC NATURE  OF THE POSITIONS FROM GREAT.  FOR SOME ATTORNEYS WE TIME  THAT HE'S NOT SOME LIKE LIONS  HAVEN'T DONE THAT OFFER THE  EXTERNAL PIECE WHAT THEY HAVE  DONE IT INTERNALLY BECAUSE  THEY INTERFACE WITH A NUMBER  OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND  THINGS OF THAT NATURE STAFF  MEMBERS ALREADY THEIR OWN  INTERNAL STAFF, BUT ALSO  SENIOR STAFF AND OTHER  DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY BE  WORKING. WE ARE WILL WORK WITH  YOU AND GET YOUR WHAT YOU'D  LIKE TO DO. BUT I THAT'S  CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE DO IN A  FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS FOR  POSITIONS SUCH AS THAT REPORT  TO A COMMISSION THAT ARE  HIGHLY VISIBLE ON THE PUBLIC.  >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.  AND WOULD IT BE SAFE TO ASSUME  THAT THE INTERNAL INTERVIEW  PROCESS WOULD WOULD INCLUDE  OUR CURRENT ACTING CITY.  ATTORNEY CURRENTLY DEPUTY CITY  ATTORNEY.  >> YEAH I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK  OUT OF SCHOOL. MY  UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ALTHOUGH  I'M MICHAEL HAS INDICATED THAT  YOU KNOW WILLINGNESS SERVE AS  THE INTERIM THAT HE IS NOT  MADE A DECISION THAT HE WAS  GOING TO APPLY FOR THE  POSITION OF HEARD THAT THAT  MAY NOT BE THE CASE OBVIOUSLY  WAS A CANDIDATE WE HAVE TO  TREAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT  DIFFERENTLY THAT HAPPENS IN  NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ARE  INTERNAL ARE IN TRUMP'S WHEN  THEIR CANDIDATES AND WE RUN  THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST  LIKE WE WOULD ANYONE TO THE  EXTENT IS NOT AN ACTIVE  CANDIDATE, HE WOULD CERTAINLY  BE INVOLVED IN INTERFACING  WITH WITH THE CANDIDATES AS I  SAY WE TYPICALLY ENCOURAGE THE  DIRECTOR SPORTS AND IN THIS  CASE IT MAY ALSO BE SOME OF  YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND  MAYBE A COUPLE DIFFERENT  PANELS WE'RE PROUD OF THE SO  WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE  CANDIDATES INTERFACE WITH YOUR  TEAM BOTH WITH THE DEPARTMENT  AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND ANY  PUBLIC STREETS OF THE WEEK NOW  THEY'RE TRYING WE'RE TRYING TO  FIND THAT FIT AND WE CAN KIND  OF USE THAT PROCESS TO  DETERMINE MICHAEL TO PUNCH  THAT THE CASE THAT HE WOULD  CERTAINLY BE AN ACTIVE  PARTICIPANT WHAT WERE THOSE  PANELS.  >> OK AND THAT'S BEEN TO NO  END. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH OUR  LEGAL TEAM AND SO YOU'RE AWARE  THAT THEY HAVE A VERY TIGHT  WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND  REALLY STRONG CULTURE WOULD  YOU RECOMMEND AS PART OF  PROCESS THAT THERE BE A GROUP  INTERVIEW WHAT.  >> THE CANDIDATES.  >> A MONTH WITH THE WITH YOUR  CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STAFF  IS AND YES. ABSOLUTELY YEAH, I  MEAN I'M PLEASED AND HONORED  THAT WE'RE I THINK WE'VE OTHER  THAN MICHAEL WE'VE BEEN  INVOLVED IN ALL YEAR TO  ASSISTANT ATTORNEY WITH SENSE  OF WHO THEY AND WHAT MAKES  SECOND WEEK WE KNOW AND  CERTAINLY HAVE EVER SPENT A  TREMENDOUS ASSET TO YOUR  ORGANIZATION AND I KNOW THE  TYPE OF A TIGHT KNIT AND CLOSE  IT OPERATION THAT SHE AND HER  TEAM AT DAWN YOU KNOW I THINK  WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL HELPING  FIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THAT  MATCH. AND SO ABSOLUTELY WE  WOULD HAVE THEM INVOLVED IN  THAT EFFORT AND WE KNOW THAT  THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT  BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE VERY YOU  KNOW IT'S IT'S YOU'RE GROWING.  IT'S A GROWING STAFF CERTAINLY  PEOPLE AND SAME THERE'S A LOT  OF THANK YOU FOR THAT AT THIS  POINT ALL OKAY.  >> MACAU. COMMISSIONER LANGDON  TOOK A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS MY  LIST, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.  DOESN'T SHE.  >> SINCE YOU DO THIS SEARCH  HOW IMPORTANT IS IT THAT THEY  ARE MEMBERS OF THE FLORIDA  BAR.  >> THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT  QUESTION. I THINK IS THAT  QUESTION MAY COME OFF AS WELL.  SO IN SOME STATES YOU CAN SOME  STATES RECIPROCITY FOR BEING A  MEMBER OF THE BAR WORDS IF  YOU'RE FEELING LIKE COLORADO,  COUPLE SEARCHES THERE. IF  YOU'RE A MEMBER OF THE BAR  DIFFERENT STATE. THEY HAD TO  TAKE AN ETHICS COURSE AND  TIMING OF WHAT THAT TOOK PLACE  IN SOME OF THAT PASS AND THEY  ASKED ALL THE CERTIFICATION  YOU KNOW THEY CAN BE ADMITTED  AFTER OTHER STATES LIKE ARE  MUCH MORE JUDICIOUS THERE'S  NOT RECIPROCITY IN FLORIDA.  AND SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE A  MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA TOO AND  THEY WANT ALL MY FLORIDA  SEARCHES, INCLUDING THE ONES  I'VE DONE FOR YOU AND  CERTAINLY THE ONES THAT DONE  FOR OTHER OTHER CITIES OR  COUNTIES HERE IN FLORIDA.  THEY'VE ALL REQUIRE THEM TO BE  A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR  BECAUSE IT'S VERY LIKELY EVEN  IF SOMEONE COMES CAN FROM OUT  OF STATE IF THEY'RE NOT  ALREADY A MEMBER OF OUR  THERE'S A RISK THAT THEY THEY  HAVE TO SIT FOR THE BAR AND SO  THERE'S A TIMING ISSUE CAN  ONLY DO THAT SO MANY TIMES OF  COURSE OF THE YEAR AND THERE'S  ALWAYS AN UNCERTAINTY EVEN  THOUGH THAT MEMORY REMEMBER  OUR FOR ANOTHER STATE THEY MAY  NOT PASS THAT AND THEN YOU'VE  GOT A CHALLENGE AND WE OFTEN  RECOMMEND ADVERTISING  NATIONALLY BECAUSE BECAUSE  FLORIDA HAS SCHOOLS OUR LAW  SCHOOLS AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE  GONE TO SCHOOL AND GOT THEIR  DEGREE LOT OF GRAY AND TAKE IN  THE THE FLORIDA BAR AND  THEY'VE NOW MAY BE MOVED TO A  DIFFERENT STATE, BUT THEY  RETAINED THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN  THE 4 ARE. AND SO THAT'S WHY  ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT I CAN  TELL YOU AS A RECRUITER WE  ENCOUNTER A VARIETY OF REASONS  OF PEOPLE THEY MADE THEIR OUT  OF STATE THEY'RE LOOKING TO  COME BACK TO THE STATE BECAUSE  THEY FAMILY OR CONSIDERATIONS  OR WHAT WHATEVER THE REASON  THEY SO I WILL TELL YOU THAT  YOU WILL NOT GET AS MANY OUT  OF STATE CANDIDATES BECAUSE OF  HAVING TO BE A MEMBER OF THE  FLORIDA BAR THEY WANT. BUT YOU  MAY VERY WELL SEE IF YOU CAN  WHAT'S TO COME FORWARD, SO I  THINK IT'S WORTHY OF THAT, BUT  I WILL TELL YOU MOST YOUR  CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE  COMING FROM THE STATE OF  FLORIDA BECAUSE OF THE FLORIDA  BAR REQUIREMENT THAT YOU  ANOTHER CLIENT WOULD TYPICALLY  HAVE SUPPOSED TO THE  UNCERTAINTY OF HAVING TO TAKE  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER I  DO APPRECIATE THAT.  >> I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU DID  THE CITY MANAGER SEARCH. ONE  OF THE VERY MOST USEFUL.  PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT YOU  SHARED WITH US WAS AFTER STAFF  MET WITH THEM THEY GAVE  FEEDBACK. IT WAS ANONYMOUS  WHICH I'M GRATEFUL FOR BOTH  PROS AND CONS WOULD YOU BE  DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH  THIS POSITION TOO. WHERE  THEY'RE GOING TO MEAN  ABSOLUTELY OKAY BECAUSE IT  ISN'T ACTUALLY ORTON GET THE  FEEDBACK FROM THE DIRECTORS  AND OBVIOUSLY THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S TEAM. I LIKE THAT  YES, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  THEM INVOLVE THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S TEAM INVOLVED IN  THIS I THINK IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO GET THEIR  FEEDBACK AND I REALLY LIKE TO  SEE. THEIR FEEDBACK SEPARATE  FROM DIRECTORS FEEDBACK  BECAUSE I THINK THEY WILL SEE  THINGS BECAUSE THEY WILL BE  WORKING MUCH CLOSER WITH THAT  CANDIDATE, IF THEY'RE SELECTED  COMPARED TO THE DIRECTORS. AS  FAR AS THE.  >> EXTERNAL MEET AND GREET  WITH THE CITIZENS AND STUFF  LIKE THAT I I I'M NOT SEEN THE  VALUE IN THAT BECAUSE THE CITY  ATTORNEY IS SO INTERNAL  COMPARED TO THE CITY MANAGER  WHO HAS TO BE OUTWARD-FACING  IN AND SO INVOLVED WITH THE  COMMUNITY.  >> I NOT SEEN A VALUE WITH  HAVING A COMMUNITY EXTERNAL  MEET AND GREET IT DO YOU FIND  THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL.  >> SO 2 POINTS I WANT TO  HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT AS WE  INVOLVED WHETHER IT'S THE  INTERNAL CITY ATTORNEY'S  OFFICE STAFF OR ALSO FEEDBACK  MAYBE FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEADS  AND MAYBE A SEPARATE PAN, ONE  GOALS AND WE'VE DONE THAT EVEN  FOR THE ASSISTANT CITY  ATTORNEY SEARCHES WHERE  THERE'S BEEN INTERNAL CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEN  NEXT PANEL OF DEPARTMENT HAS  TO WORK CLOSELY THAT POSITION.  SO WE WOULD BREAK DOWN THEIR  SEPARATION OF THE 2 YOUR YOUR  FIRST POINT AND I WANT TO BE  CLEAR THAT AT THE END OF THE  DAY, IT'S THE 5 OF YOU WILL  MAKE THIS APPOINTMENT SO WE'RE  VERY CLEAR AND DELIBERATE WITH  THOSE PANELS THAT WE'RE  LOOKING THINGS THAT RESONATE  WITH THAT WE CAN CAPTURE FROM  THEM AS WELL AS ANY POTENTIAL  ISSUES OF CONCERN. THE REASON  WE DO ALL THOSE INTERVIEWS AND  THEY WANT WANT TO FLAG DOWN  AND BE ABLE TO GET YOU THAT  FEEDBACK. AND THEN YOU'LL BE  ABLE TO USE THAT AS AN  EVALUATION FULL AS YOU'RE  ENGAGING IN EITHER ONE ON ONE  SESSIONS OR GROUP PANEL  INTERVIEWS WITH THE  CANDIDATES, BUT I'M VERY CLEAR  THAT THE OTHER DAY THEY ARE  NOT MAKING THE DECISION OF WHO  THIS PERSON IS WITH THE  FEEDBACK IS VERY CRITICAL TO  FINDING THAT SET. TALKED ABOUT  EARLIER SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE  THAT YOU'RE CLEAR ON THAT AND  THEN AS I SAID SOME OF MY  SUMMER MIKE MIKE GROUPS THAT  I'M DOING FOR CITY ATTORNEYS  ARE COUNTY ATTORNEY SOME OF  THEM HAVE DONE MEET GREETS  EXTERNALLY OTHERS HAVE NOT  REALLY IS DIFFERENT YOU MAKE  THAT DECISION IF YOU WANT TO  DO IT WE CAN HELP YOU  FACILITATE WHAT THAT LOOKS AND  FEELS LIKE FOR POSITIONS LIKE  THIS THEY WANT TO DO AN  INTERNAL POINTING TOWARD  APARTMENT HAD PULL YOUR  DEPARTMENT MAY BE PART OF A  THAT WOULD GIVE THEM A CHANCE  TO INTERFACE WITH THEIR SECOND  IN COMMAND YOU KNOW ASSISTANT  DIRECTORS MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE  TO HER FACE AND WE WORK  CLOSELY POLICE OFFICER TURN SO  I'M I'M I'M NOT WEDDED TO ONE  WAY OR THE OTHER WOULD JUST  WORK WITH YOU AND WHATEVER  LOOKS AND FEELS RIGHT TO YOUR  ORGANIZATION WILL WILL FOLLOW  THE LEAD THAT WE CAN TALK  THROUGH WHAT THAT COULD LOOK  LIKE IF IT'S NOT A PUBLIC BE  GREAT. IT'S AN INTERIM GREAT.  >> AND THEN MY LEAVE WITH THIS  FINAL ONE I'M I ALSO FOUND IT  VERY VALUABLE WHEN WE HAD ONE  ON INDIVIDUAL.  >> INTERVIEWS WITH THIS CITY  MANAGER IS THAT SOMETHING THAT  WAS JUST 5 COMMISSIONERS ONE  ON ONE IN WE HAD OUR PUBLIC  FACING Q AND A WITH THIS CITY  MANAGER CANDIDATES ARE YOU  ADVOCATING OR NOT FOR ONE ON  ONE INDIVIDUAL CITY ATTORNEY.  INTERVIEW  >> FOR ANY POSITION THAT  TYPICALLY REPORTS TO A BOARD  AND AS YOU ALL KNOW IN FLORIDA  WE HAVE MEANS RECORDS AND OPEN  MEETINGS ACT THINGS OF THAT  NATURE GOT TO WORK THROUGH. SO  FOR POSITIONS LIKE CALL OF  CHARTER POSITIONS THERE ARE  APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNING  BODY. 99.9% OF MY SEARCH IS  ALWAYS INCORPORATE AT LEAST AT  SOME POINT A ONE-ON-ONE KIND  OF ROTATING MUSICAL CHAIR  PROCESS LIKE WE DID WITH THE  CITY MANAGER. I CAN HAVE  DEPENDING WHEN YOU'VE GOT WE  JUST KIND OF ROTATE THEM THEN  THEY COULD BE 30 OR 45 MINUTES  OF TIME. SO JED A CHANCE TO  KIND OF MEET THEM INDIVIDUALLY  AND THEY CAN CHAT WITH YOU  CANDIDLY AND INDIVIDUALLY  OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT PART OF  THOSE SESSIONS ON SPORTING  THAT KIND OF THE MOVEMENT OF  ALL THE PLAYERS. BUT THAT WAY  THEN WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC  MEETING ALSO HAD AN  OPPORTUNITY TO TO INQUIRE  ABOUT ISSUES AND YOU MAY WANT  TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS FOR  SOMETHING DIFFERENT. FOR ALL  MY POSITIONS, THE REPORT THE  BOARDS IN FLORIDA OUT  ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS LIKE YOU  JUST DESCRIBED ARE BUILT INTO  OUR PROCESS IS JUST THE NATURE  OF THE THANK YOU DO. YOU THANK  YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I'M  NOT SEEING ANY OTHER  QUESTIONS. HERE. ONE OF THE  TOP I MAYOR.  >> THE TIMING I KNOW IT'S  ALWAYS A QUESTION OF TIME  YOU'VE GOT ELECTIONS COMING  UP, I KNOW OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE  GOING TO JUST COMMISSIONER  WITH COMMISSIONER BEING TERM  LIMITED AND COMING OFF THE  BOARD. SO WE TALK A LITTLE BIT  ABOUT HOW WE KIND OF MANAGE  THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT  FOR YOUR CANDIDATES, THEY'RE  GOING TO WANT TO KNOW KIND OF  WITH THE BOARD MEMBERS AND WHO  THEIR BOSSES ARE GOING TO BE  AND SO YOU KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS  A QUESTION OF WHAT DOES THAT  LOOK AND FEEL LIKE DOES THAT  HAPPEN BEFORE THE ELECTION IS  THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE  ELECTION OR SOMETHING. WHAT I  OFF AND ON FOR POSITION SUCH  AS WHERE THERE'S GOING TO AT  LEAST BE WANTED POTENTIALLY  OTHERS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE  OUTCOME OF YOUR NOVEMBER  ELECTIONS WILL LOOK LIKE.  BECAUSE ALSO KNOW YOU'VE GOT  ANOTHER VACANCY THAT'S COMING  UP AND THERE'S A YOU KNOW THE  REAL CONCERN ABOUT GAP AND AND  HOW DO YOU HANDLE MY WOULD BE  WEAK NUMBER ORGANIZATION WITH  A BROCHURE THIS READY TO HIT  THE STREETS LITERALLY AT ANY  POINT FOR YOUR POLICE LEGAL  ADVISERS TO THE COMMUNITY THE  ORGANIZATION THE GOVERNMENT  SECTIONS ARE ALL KIND OF  THOUGHT. MY RECOMMENDATION  WOULD BE IS THAT WE GET IN AND  MEET WITH ALL OF YOU AS A CITY  COMMISSIONERS NOW SO SO WE CAN  FINISH STARTING DRAFTING THE  BROCHURES OR RELATES TO THE  CITY ATTORNEY POSITION VERSUS  THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISER. AND  IF DESIRED WE COULD THEN KIND  OF PAUSE SO WE'RE READY TO GO  WITH ALL THIS THE FEEDBACK IN  THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WE'VE  DONE AHEAD OF TIME. WAIT TILL  WE KNOW AT LEAST IF THERE'S  GOING TO HAVE ONE NEW  COMMISSIONER AND ONLY ONE OF  THEIRS NOT OTHERS THEN I WOULD  MEET WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL  SHORTLY AFTER THE ELECTION.  AND CERTIFICATIONS WE KNOW WHO  THAT PERSON WILL SO I COULD  CAPTURE WHO THEY ARE THEIR  CONCERNS WITH ISSUES AND WHAT  THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IN THIS  POSITION AS WELL. AND THEN  INCORPORATE ANY OTHER  ADJUSTMENTS THAT MIGHT COME  OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION WITH  EITHER ONE OR MORE NEWLY  ELECTED COMMISSIONERS. AND  THEN WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU  AS A BOARD AND ONCE YOU'RE  NEWLY SEATED COMMISSION IS IN  PLACE. YOU COULD APPROVE THE  BROCHURE THAT POINT TAKING  INTO ACCOUNT AS WE HAVE  WATCHED ALL THE TIME  BEFOREHAND AND THEN IT'S JUST  A MATTER OF UPDATING TWEAKING  AND ADJUSTING NECESSARY AND  THEN THE THE NEWLY SEATED  COMMISSION COULD SAY GO. AND  THEN WE HIT THE HIT THE GO  WATCHING THAT START THAT  PROCESS FROM THERE WE FOUND  THAT TO BE THE CASE WHERE  YOU'RE NOT HUNG UP AND WAITING  BECAUSE I'M A LOT OF THOSE  CHALLENGES AND ISSUES AND  MATTERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE  REGARDLESS WHO'S ON THE BOARD.  BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO  CAPTURE ANY NEW INSIGHTS FROM  ANY NEW MEMBERS OF THE OR AND  THAT'S HOW WE NORMALLY DONE  THIS AND THAT WAY EVERYBODY  KNOWS WHO'S GOING TO BE BOARD  ALL TOUCH THE PROCESS BEFORE  WATCH THE LAUNCH OF THE  SESSION.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT SOUNDS LIKE  A GOOD PLAN TO BUT.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> AND THANK YOU FOR  RECOMMENDATION DOG I I THOUGHT  THAT WOULD JUST BE LIKE A  GIVEN.  >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE  APPROPRIATE.  >> TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY  FOR SOME OF OUR GUIDANCE AND  RECOMMENDATIONS ON. THINGS  THAT SHE MIGHT FIND TO BE  EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL FOR US AS  WE GO TO HIGHER. A NEW CITY  ATTORNEY SHE KNOWS THE ROLE  SHE'S BEEN IN THE ROLE FOR 8  YEARS. AND I'D HATE TO HAVE  THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE  AND WORKED WELL THAT WE COULD  HAVE DONE THAT BETTER. IN THIS  WHOLE I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE  IF SHE'D BE WILLING TO SHARE  HER FEEDBACK AND I TOTALLY  WOULD RESPECT THE FACT OF  SHE'S BUT I JUST WANTED TO  KIND OF THROW IT OUT THERE.  >> SURE THANK YOU COMMISSIONER  I WILL SAY THAT YOU I WOULD  ECHO A LOT OF WHAT MISTER  THOMAS HAS PRESENTED TO YOU  TONIGHT AS CHAIR HAS BEEN VERY  VALUABLE RESOURCE IN BUILDING  OUR TEAM IN THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND FOR  EVERY ONE OF THOSE THAT WE  DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL  COHEN WAS AN INTEGRAL PART OF  THAT EXPERIENCE AS WELL ALSO  WORKING WITH STR AS HE  MENTIONED EVERY TIME WE HIRE  AND RECRUIT. WE UTILIZE  EVERYONE IN THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND GET  THEIR FEEDBACK AND ONE WAY OR  ANOTHER AS WELL AS OTHER  STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE CITY  SO THEY ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR.  BUT A SIMILAR PROCESS FOR WHAT  WE DO FOR ASSISTANT CITY  ATTORNEYS. AND AS WELL AS THE  CULTURE AND WORKS WELL AS  MISTER THOMAS MENTION, AND YOU  HEARD MISTER GOING MENTIONED  THE PREVIOUS MEETING CULTURE  IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE  MEMBERS OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S  OFFICE WORKED VERY HARD TO  HAVE NOT ONLY VERY  PROFESSIONAL AND CAPABLE TEAM.  BUT ONE THAT HAS A HIGH LEVEL  OF CAMARADERIE AND YOU KNOW IT  JUST WORK SATISFACTION AND  THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN  ACCIDENTALLY IT HAPPENS VERY  CAREFULLY. 3 MANAGEMENT BUT  ALSO THE KEY EFFORT OF EVERY  MEMBER OF THE OFFICE WHO IS  DEDICATED TO YOU KNOW  MAINTAINING AND SUSTAINING  THAT AND THE TEAM MEMBERS HAVE  EXPRESSED A STRONG CONCERN  THAT YOU FIND SOMEONE THAT  CONTINUE THAT SO IT IS A  COMPLEX JOB BECAUSE YOU'RE  SERVING IN ELECTED BOARD. IT  HAS A CERTAIN PERSPECTIVE AND  CERTAIN INTERESTS AND THEN YOU  ARE SERVING THE INTERNAL STAFF  AS WELL FROM A LEGAL  PERSPECTIVE. THAT IS PARTLY  YOU ARE MANAGING. YOU KNOW THE  STAFF AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT  I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO  CONSIDER MANAGEMENT STYLES AND  EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT  MANAGEMENT STYLE DOESN'T HAVE  TO BE THE MANAGEMENT STYLE  THAT WORKS FOR ME BECAUSE IT  HAS TO WORK FOR THAT PERSON.  BUT IT ALSO NEEDS TO WORK. FOR  OUR TEAM I THINK THAT HE WILL  BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE NEXT  CITY ATTORNEY. PROVIDED THAT  THAT PERSON UNDERSTANDS HOW TO  KEEP THEM STRONG, NOT JUST IN  THE PROFESSIONAL. YOU  EXPERTISE CAPACITY. BUT ALSO  IN THE DAY-TO-DAY CAPACITY  TEAM, YOU KNOW TEAM BUILDING  THE WEAR. WHERE TEAM BOOST ONE  ANOTHER UP AND COVER ONE  ANOTHER WHEN THEY NEED IT AND  YOU ALL KNOW EVERY PERSON ON  OUR TEAM THAT'S PRETTY UNIQUE.  I IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE  YOU KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY IS  NOT I MEAN IT IS JUST ONE  PERSON, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT I  CAN'T DO MY JOB AT ALL WITHOUT  ANY OF THE 7 OTHER PEOPLE ON  OUR TEAM. SO I MEAN THAT'S  JUST AN IMPORTANT  CONSIDERATION THAT I THINK YOU  SEE THE RESULT THAT MAYBE NOT  THE. YOU KNOW THE MAKING OF A  SAUSAGE IT THAT WE DO BEHIND  THE SCENES JUST HOW THAT  PERSON MANAGES AND INTERACTS  WITH PEOPLE HOW THEY SEE THE  TEAM. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE  CONCEPT OF HIERARCHY BECAUSE  EVERY PERSON ON OUR TEAM AND  EVERY PERSON IN THIS BUILDING  IN THE CITY WHATEVER THEIR JOB  IS THEIR ROLE IS CRITICAL. AND  IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT PERSON  DOING THEIR JOB. NO ONE  ANYWHERE CAN DO THEIRS. SO I  MEAN THOSE ARE ALL THINGS I  THINK YOU WOULD LOOK ANYWAY,  BUT I THINK THAT THOSE ARE  THINGS YOU KNOW MISTER DUNCAN.  YOU CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK WITH  EVEN MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE  HAS BEEN HERE FOR 7 YEARS AND  HE'S HELPED ME BUT THAT  OFFICER HE KNOWS WHAT MAKES IT  WORK. WELL, EVEN AS THE PAIN  POINTS AND HE KNOWS THAT THE  PLACES WHERE WE COULD HAVE  PROVED SMALL.  >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT  INSIGHT. I DO APPRECIATE IT.  >> HAVE TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT  AND I'LL BE LOOKING I GUESS  LOOKING TO MAKE DIRECTION.  >> IT PUBLIC COMMENT ON  >> IT DID TELL SO THIS IS A  PORT.  I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY  HERE. IT'S A PERCEPTION IS  REALITY. I THINK WE PAY OUR  EMPLOYEES PRETTY WELL. OUR  CITY ATTORNEY. SO MAKES KNOW  ABOUT $209,000. AND I WAS  HAPPY TO HEAR. COMMISSIONER  ALL USE THE WORD HERBAL ABOUT  POSITION. THAT WAS MY ARGUMENT  YEARS A GOAL BUT I CONVINCED  THE CITY COMMISSION TO TAKE  AWAY THE CAR. WELL AS FOR OUR  CITY CLERK. I THINK THAT ONCE  THAT'S YET CAUSE TOOK OVER.  AND WANTS WHAT OUR CURRENT.  THAT'S. CLERK IN THE STATE  TOOK OVER. AS I PERCEPTION  REALITY. WE DO HAVE 3 CHARTER  OFFICERS. ONE CHARTER OFFICER  DOES NOT GET A CAR OTHER TO  DO. OUR. THE HIGHER A NEW CITY  ATTORNEY I THINK IT'S AN  OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF  THAT. ALLOWANCE. WORK TO TRY  OFFICERS THAT HAVE THAT $500 A  A $6,000 A YEAR. WELL INTO THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT AND FIND  SOME OTHER THE FOLKS THAT WORK  HERE THE GET $6,000 CARLISLE  PER YEAR. SO I SAID THIS  POSITION IS IN TROUBLE. AND  THAT'S THE ARGUMENT USED. WHEN  I ASKED FOR THE CITY COURT  LAST TAKEN AWAY. BECAUSE CITY  CLERK WORKS IN THE CITY HALL  KEEPING CITY RECORDS HUE CITY  HALL. ALL OF OFFICERS DO HAVE  THE BILL ABILITY OF A CITY I  DO BELIEVE THAT THE CITY  MANAGER ACTUALLY HAVE ON THE  SIGNS. SO THEY ENDURE.  CONSIDERATIONS FOOD FOR THE  YOU KNOW FOR THE NEW CITY  ATTORNEY I HOPE YOU'LL  CONSIDER REMOVING A BECAUSE  IT'S A IT'S A PERTH, THE. I  JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED.  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK  YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT.  >> DO DO YOU NEED SPECIFIC  DIRECTION FROM US TO THIS  POINT. YES.  >> THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD BE  CHOMPING AT BIT TO MAKE WELL  >> ACTUALLY MAYOR I I LOVE TO  MAKE THE MOTION.  >> BUT AS I HAVE PROBABLY THE  PAST 30 DAYS. I AM SLOWLY  WEANING MYSELF OF THESE KIND  OF MOTIONS BUT I WILL  DEFINITELY BE AVAILABLE TO  MAKE AMENDMENTS. BUT I THINK.  YOU GUYS SHOULD MAKE THE  MOTION. ONLY FOR THE PRACTICE  AND I HOPE YOU WILL RESPECT IS  TRULY JUST FOR PRACTICE.  >> AND AND TO USED TO DOING  IT. 8 YEARS HE'S TAUGHT ME  WELL AND HOW TO MAKE MOTIONS  AND SO I AM PASSING THE TORCH  TO THE 4 OF YOU GET UP AND  RUN.  >> OKAY I JUST I HAD A  ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER DO WE  HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO.  >> SO ENGAGED SRQ TO DO THIS  SEARCH IS THAT PART OF THE  PROCESS. YES, MA'AM OKAY, YOU  WOULD YOU WOULD MAKE INCLUDING  YOUR MOTION FOR THE  RECRUITMENT SERVICES, THE BEST  YEAR THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. OKAY  THAT WOULD BE ONE MOTION. AS  FAR AS THE I'M NOT SURE OR IF  THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT  TO SPECIFY AT THIS POINT OR  THAT'S GOING TO BE UP TO SR 2,  2, AS DOES GO INTO THAT  ALREADY THIS MAN I WOULD  RECOMMEND THAT IN YOUR MOTION  YOU INCLUDE TO APPROACH  RECRUITMENT SERVICES FROM SGR  FOR THE RECRUITMENT LOCATION  AND CELERY PARAMETERS FOR THE  NEW CITY ATTORNEY EXECUTIVE  SEARCH.  >> I COULD YES THERE  RESPONDING THEIRS. AT THE END  OF THE DAY AS I MENTIONED  WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A VISIT  BROCHURE TO MARKET THIS  POSITION THAT WILL INCORPORATE  SALARY INFORMATION IF YOU SO  DESIRE AND ALSO BENEFIT  INFORMATION.  >> AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE  POSITION SO I KNOW YOU HAVE A  JOB DESCRIPTION AND YOU KNOW  WE CAN TALK THROUGH THAT. BUT  AT THE END EUROPE WHEN YOU ALL  3 APPROVED THE BROCHURE THAT  WILL BE PART OF YOUR APPROVAL  THAT YOU'LL BE READY TO GO SO  I DON'T NEED THAT FOR MY  PURPOSES BECAUSE YOU WILL THAT  WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR A  SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL BEFORE WE  ACTUALLY LAUNCH DECISION.  >> SO REALLY IS LOOKING FOR A  FIRST MOTION TO SCRATCH. YOUR  HEAD.  >> I MOVE THAT WE OBTAIN THE  SERVICES OF SJR AND THOMAS.  HELP US WITH THE RECRUITMENT  QUALIFICATIONS AND CELERY  PARAMETERS FOR THE NEW CITY  ATTORNEY AND EXECUTIVE SEARCH.  THINK THAT SENSE.  >> I'M GOING TO WAIT UNTIL YOU  HEAR THE CITY CLERK SPRANGER  STOPPED I THINK THEY'RE  UNDERSTAFFED. WHATEVER TYPE  THING THAT SORRY. TO READ THAT  BACK. MOTION MADE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> TO IMPROVE RECRUITMENT OF  RECRUITMENT SERVICES OF SU ARE  FOR THE RECRUITMENT  QUALIFICATIONS AND SALARY  PERIMETERS OF THE CITY  ATTORNEY EXECUTIVE THAT THE.  >> I WOULD LIKE THOMAS'S NAME  AND THAT MOTION.  >> LET'S HEAR YOUR POINT I I  WILL I WILL BE REFERRED WE  WILL BE SOMEBODY ELSE FOR THAT  YOU ARE SO THAT WAS YOUR  CONCERN I WOULD THAT I THINK I  THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE  COMING FROM COMMISSIONER, I  KNOW  >> SECOND FOR DISCUSSION MAYOR  THE VICE MAYOR YEAH, SO WE DO  HAVE A SECOND BY THE VICE  MAYOR. AS ASSISTANT. ANY  MANAGER LIGHTS ON YET YOU'RE  FINISHED SOMETHING I'D LIKE  RECORD BUT COMMISSION WITHOUT.  BEFORE WE DO THAT A  >> DO WE WANT TO FOR A CLEAR  RECORD CLEAN RECORD TO GIVE  FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS DOUG TO  BRING BACK THE DRAFT CITY IT  POSITION BROCHURE ONCE THE  COMMISSION IS SEATED.  >> I KNOW THAT WAS HIS  RECOMMENDATION THIS IS AFTER  THEY RIGHT WOULD THINK THAT WE  NEED TO INCLUDE THAT THAT'S  THE LEVEL OF EXPECTATION, NOT  ONLY FOR THE BOARD SITTING  HERE TODAY BUT THE CANDIDATES  THAT ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE  AND COULD BE NEWLY SEATED.  THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I  SURE HOPE THEY'RE FOLLOWING  THIS BUT WE DO THAT IN A  SECOND MOTION MOVING SO THE  FIRST ONE IT'S JUST THAT  SECURING JUST WANTED TO JOHN  AND YES, I GUESS I NEED TO DO  THAT. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER  HAVE SOMETHING SAY ABOUT THAT.  I JUST WANT  >> I JUST WANT TO PUT RECORD  THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT  HAVE A CITY VEHICLE.  >> ASSIGNED WANT TO PLACE ON  RECORD. THANK YOU FOR THAT  DISMEMBER KITCHEN. I SO WE DO  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON TO SECURE THE SERVICES  SGR AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  VICE MAYOR'S LET'S VOTE ON  THAT FIRST AND THEN WE CAN GO  INTO THEY TELL.  >> AND THAT'S THAT'S 5 TO 0.  >> OKAY. NOW WE WANTED A  MOTION ABOUT.  >> TO PROVE THAT BROCHURE  AFTER ELECTION.  >> AS ONE OF MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GIVE IT  A WHIRL TO MAKE THE MOTION ON  ON HIS RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT  POSITION BUT I'M SURE OR DO  YOU WANT ME TO DO IT.  >> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO A  DRAFT AND HAVE IT READY TO GO  FOR THE NEXT BOARD THAT'S THE  THAT'S. THAT WAS HIS  RECOMMENDATION AND IF YOU  DON'T WANT HIM TO DO THAT HE  NEEDS TO KNOW THAT AHEAD OF  >> GUESS MY YOU KNOW MY  CONCERN WITH THAT IS. ANY NEW  COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO BE  IN PLACE UNTIL SOME TIME MID  TO LATE NOVEMBER SAY HERE WE  ARE. ITS SEPTEMBER TOWARDS THE  LATTER PART OF SEPTEMBER. I  MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG  THIS PRESSURE IS GOING TO TAKE  TO PUT TOGETHER IF IT'S GOING  TAKE A MATTER OF A COUPLE OF  WEEKS. I MEAN. I CAN'T  IMAGINE. THE CITY COMMISSION  SHOULD SPEND THAT MUCH TIME  SECOND GUESSING THE  PROFESSIONAL SEARCH HOUSTON  THIS MULTIPLE TIMES FOR OUR  CITY. WHAT TO PUT THIS  BROCHURE I HATE TO LOSE THAT  AMOUNT OF TIME BUT AGAIN  THAT'S UP TO MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS I I GET IT  CERTAINLY THE PROCESS OF  EVALUATION AND THE DECISIONS  OF CITY ATTORNEY IS GOING TO  BE WILL FALL TO THE NEW BOARD  THAT MAKES SENSE BUT TO DELAY  THE PREPARATION OF SURE TO  HIRE I JUST CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE  THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING  THAT THIS COMMISSION WOULD SO  THAT THEIR TIME SECOND  GUESSING I MEAN I FRANKLY,  BUT.  >> YOU WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE  THINKS THAT'S WHY PRESIDENT TO  MAKE THE MOTION MYSELF OK BUT  I THINK WHAT THAT SUGGESTS IS  IS TO BEGIN THE DRAFTING NOW  ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER GET OUT  AND THEN AFTER THE ELECTION IT  WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE NEW  COMMISSION PICK APART TAKE  THAT LONG TO DO IT. I DON'T  KNOW SO. ALL RIGHT WELL  LOOKING FOR A BEAD CAN GIVE US  HOW LONG OF A TIME TAKES I  KNOW HE IS MOST OF IT READY TO  GO BECAUSE HE'S DONE  ASSISTANCE, THIS IS A CITY AND  WE ALSO.  >> WE THAT WILL HAVE TO DECIDE  WHAT THOSE QUALIFICATIONS ARE  BASED ON WHAT HE PUTS IN THAT  DRAFT. AND YOU KNOW REGARDLESS  THERE'S ONE COMMISSIONER OR 2  OR 3.  >> IN MY OPINION THEY'RE THAT  THEY'RE THIS SITTING BODY.  >> AND IT SHOULD BE VETTED BY  ALL COMMISSIONERS AT THAT TIME  NOT BY BECAUSE.  >> THERE'S A POTENTIAL HAVING  ONLY 2 SITTING COMMISSIONERS  THIS BOARD COME  >> NOVEMBER 5TH. WE DO KNOW  THERE COULD BE 4.  >> YEAH, I MEAN CERTAINLY THE  CITY WILL BE IN GOOD HANDS  MICHAEL SO I SEE NO REASON I  REALLY LIKE TALKING IT THROUGH  TO THE LAKE SO.  >> THE GENDER QUESTION FOR  ARDENT ABOUT HOW LONG THAT  THAT I DRAFTED FOR YOU DID YOU  HEAR THAT.  >> YES, YEAH BEEN FALLING AND  SO I'M THERE'S SIMPLE ARE  LONGER. SHE ANSWERED A SIMPLE  IT SHOULD NOT TAKE US VERY  LONG TO DEVELOP THE BROCHURE  BECAUSE A GOOD PORTION OF THAT  THAT'S IRRESPECTIVE OF THE  POSITION ABOUT THE COMMUNITY  ORGANIZATION DEPARTMENT  ALREADY DONE BECAUSE OF POLICE  LEGAL ACTION. WHAT WE'RE GOING  TO BE LEARNING FROM MY  CONVERSATIONS WITH THE 5 OF  YOU AND POTENTIALLY ONE OR  FUTURE COMMISSIONERS WILL BE  KIND OF THE HARD AND SOFT  SKILL SETS OF THE CHALLENGES  AND OPPORTUNITIES TO YOU THINK  ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. TO  IDENTIFY SURE SO SHOULD YOUR  QUESTION I WOULD FROM  INTERVIEW AND ALL OF YOU NOW  I'M GOING TO HAVE A VERY GOOD  HEAD START ON AND THE VALUE OF  THE VALUE OF WAITING FOR WARM  OR COMMISSIONER AB SOMETHING  DIFFERENT OR OTHER INSIGHTS  THAT THEY WANT TO INCORPORATE  INTO THE BROCHURE AS A NEWLY  SEATED COMMISSIONER. SO MY  SENSE IS SHORTLY AFTER THE WE  WOULD HOLD TRUE THAT  INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS  MAYBE I WOULD SCHEDULE VERY  QUICKLY SOON AS POSSIBLE VIDEO  INTERVIEWS WITH CAPTURE THEIR  INSIGHTS AND TO REVIEW WHAT WE  STATION AND THEN INCORPORATE  THAT AND MAKE WHATEVER TWEAKS  SO THERE'S A VALUE IN SENSE  THERE'S 3 NEW COMMISSIONERS  AND THEY HAVE TOTALLY  DIFFERENT FOCUS CURRENT BUT  THAT MAY ALSO BE THE CASE YOU  MAY HAVE ONE NEW MEMBER AND  THAT NUMBER MAY AGREE A 100%  WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE ALREADY  DRAFTED AND NOT NECESSARILY  YOU CAN DO BUT YOU KNOW IT'S  UP TO YOU IT'S IT'S A VALUE  JUDGMENT CALL FROM YOUR  STANDPOINT CERTAINLY BY THE  TIME. YOU'RE SELECTING YOUR  SEMIFINALIST AND GOING THROUGH  THE TRIAGE PROCESS. I'M YOUR  NEW YOUR NEWLY SEEDED COUNCIL  OR COMMISSION WILL BE AT PLAY  SO IT REALLY IS A POLICY CALL  BUT WE'RE OPEN CAN WORK IT  EITHER WAY WHICHEVER WAY YOU  FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE WITH.  ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.  >> THANK YOU VERY LIKE TO MAKE  A MOTION A COMMISSION ARE  EMERGING HAVE SOMETHING TO  SPEAK OR I'M SORRY KNOW AS A  WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT  WHEN THEY WERE TALKING EARLIER  ABOUT PRESENTATION I'VE  THROUGH THIS A FEW TIMES THE  FIRST 30 DAYS ON THAT BUT  EVERYTHING TOGETHER GETTING  EVERYTHING READY TO  ROCK'N'ROLL A MOVE BRING IT  BACK HAVE INTERVIEWS AND STUFF  WITH US. THAT'S 30 DAYS LIKE  ONE WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION.  SO WAITING UNTIL AFTER THE  ELECTIONS ARE FINALIZED AND  THEN WE'VE GOT THE NEW BOARD  SET UP HERE. THAT'S WHEN TIME  TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING  THE INPUT AND THE SESSIONS  MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT WILL  BE THE NEW BOARD'S WHO WE  INTERVIEWED WHO WE TALKED TO  WHAT TYPE OF PERIMETERS WE  WANT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT YOU  DON'T WANT HAVE ABOUT THE SIDE  AND THEN CHANGE THAT JUST PUTS  MONKEY WRENCHES AND ALL PLAN.  SO I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO  BE DONE. NOW WHAT DOESN'T JUST  THEIR TIMELINE AND THEN TO GET  BACK WITH US AFTER THE  ELECTIONS THAT'S WAY I THINK  IT WORK OKAY SO HAVE A MOTION  TO HAVE MAKE A MOTION TO  DIRECT THIS TO YOUR TO DRIFT  SURE.  >> AND SUBMITTED TO THE CITY  COMMISSION POST ELECTION  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOVES FOR  SGR TO DRAFT THE BROCHURE THAT  WILL  >> BE PRESENTED.  >> TO THE SITTING COMMISSION  HOST ELECTION.  >> SITTING COMMISSION POST  ELECTION AND THAT WAS SECONDED  BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL WE  HAVE ANYTHING LET'S VOTE.  >> THE MOTION THEIR VICE MAYOR  THAT SURE THE LEARNED FROM THE  BEST  >> RIGHT NOW.  >> AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 DO  WE NEED OK WE GOOD. OK THANK  YOU KNOW.  >> THANK SO MUCH ONCE AGAIN I  APPRECIATE YOU'RE JUGGLING  YEAR'S CALENDAR TONIGHT A  LOBBYIST CONTINUE WHAT WE'RE  DOING HERE IN PITTSBURGH, IT'S  ALWAYS A TO YOU WE'RE GOING  CONTINUE RELATIONSHIP AND YOU  KNOW IT WAS WHAT THE TO SOME  GOOD CANDIDATES ABSOLUTELY HAD  IT'S A TOUGH POSITION BECAUSE  THEY HAVEN'T LEFT BY THE LIKES  YOURSELF WHICH ARE THE BEST  CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WORKING  WITH HER 13 ALL GO FORWARD.  >> ALL RIGHT IF I MAY MAYOR  ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE IT NEXT TO  THANK IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE  WORKING WITH YOU GOT THANK YOU  VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH  COMMISSIONER APPRECIATE IT. WE  ALL TAKE AERIAL BE SAFE AND WE  GET A STORM COMING TRAVEL  BUDDY ELSE CALLS FOR TO 2  HOURS WE TAKE A QUICK BUT 10  10, CAKE AND THEN WE'RE GOING  TO COME BACK TO GENERAL AT  ALL.  >> SO BE AT 7.49 INJURED 10  MINUTE  WHAT 10 MINUTES BECAUSE  BY ASKED ALL RIGHT SO IT IS  NOW ACTUALLY 7.50 AND WE'RE  BACK TO MEETING WE ARE  CONTINUING WITH GENERAL  BUSINESS.  ♪ >> ITEM NUMBER 6.  ♪ 24 DASH 1, 3, 8, A FITTING  THAT YOU'RE YOU ARE BACK TO  SEE THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK IT REGARDING  TECHNICAL FISCAL YEAR, 23  BOUGHT WATER AND WASTEWATER  USER RATES HYWEL REVENUES THAT  THIS IS YOU IT BY BREAKS IN  COVID WE ARE DOING OUR DUE TO  DIRECTOR OF YOU DON'T KNOW  WILL LEAD US OFF IN THE  DISCUSSION AND THAT.  >> THANK YOU SIR AND GOOD  EVENING COMMISSIONERS NEED TO  GO ON A UTILITY STRUCTURE. AND  I JUST WANT TO INTRODUCED BY  RATES AND HE'S GOING TO GO  THROUGH THE PRESENTATION ON A  HIGH LEVEL SUFFICIENCY STUDY  AND THEN WE'LL BE HERE WITH  STAFF FOR ANY QUESTIONS I  HAVE.  >> THANK YOU NANCY FOR THE  RECORD BRIAN MESS FROM FROM  GOV RATES AND I HAVE BRIEF UP  JUST PRESENTATIONS THIS  CONTEST HAS COME ABOUT OVER  THE ISSUES OF FOR THE FISCAL  2025 WATER AND WASTE WATER USE  RATES. CERTAINLY YOUR UTILITY  PROVIDES ESSENTIAL SERVICE ONE  THAT CONTINUOUS BASIS IS  HIGHLY REGULATED YOU HAVE  PERMITS THAT THE MAN PULLED  CLIENTS PERFORMANCE. SO YOU'RE  PRIZE FUND WHERE THE  OPERATIONS ARE PRIMARILY  FUNDED THROUGH USER RATES AND  YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF  INFRASTRUCTURE. UNDER CITY OF  MASHHAD ABOUT 330 MILLION  DOLLARS INSTALLED COST THAT  AMOUNT WOULD BE A LOT HIGHER.  RIGHT TIMES TO TODAY'S  DOLLARS. YOUR CURRENT RATE  ALLOW BY THE ENGINEERING NEWS  RECORD, CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND  NEXT. THE JANUARY 2023 TO  JANUARY 2000 REPORTED TAX  ADJUSTMENT OF 2.5 A PERCENT.  INSUFFICIENT TO COVERED THE  UTILITIES, RECENT INCREASES IN  COSTS. THIS CHART HERE KIND OF  COMMUNICATES TRANS OR FROM A  2023 THE BUDGET 2025. THE  UTILITY SAID INDIRECT COST  REIMBURSEMENT TO THE GENERAL  FUND INCREASED BY 49%. YOU  HAVE CHEMICALS HAVE GONE UP 7%  HEALTH INSURANCE ON 53%.  ELECTRICITY GOING UP BY 55%  STILL TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF  COST INCREASES OVER THE PAST  COUPLE OF YEARS. ALSO BUT IT  IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT  UTILITY HAS LIMITED CONTROL  OVER MANY OF THESE OPERATING  EXPENSES LIKE CHEMICALS  ELECTRICITY. SUPPLY PARTS FOR  REPAIRS. THESE ARE ALL  THREATENED BY GLOBAL WORK  HORSES. ALSO. AND AGAIN THAT  YOU TONY HAS OF AS A LIMITED  CONTROL OVER THOSE COST  INCREASES ALSO FLORIDA  PATIENTS IS NOW OUTPACING  NATIONAL TRENDS AND THERE'S A  NATIONWIDE. MISSION WHAT  ISSUES WITH FILLING POSITIONS  AND KEEPING EMPLOYEES AND AT  SOME JUST ABOUT. UTILITIES I I  WORKED WITH YOU UNDERSTAFFED.  IT'S IMPORTANT RECOGNIZE THAT  A WELL TRAINED EXPERIENCE  INSUFFICIENT UTILITIES STAFF  CRITICAL REFLECTIVE LEE  RUNNING THE UTILITY 24 HOURS A  DAY 365 DAYS A YEAR  MAINTAINING LEVEL SERVICE AND  EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS. BUT IT  IS AND IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN  YOU'RE DEALING WITH COST  INCREASES TO RECOGNIZE THAT  PERMIT INCREASES IN COST.  ULTIMATELY THE PAST ROUTE TO  CUSTOMERS THROUGH RATES AND  INCREASE OFF FENCE IS  NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE ABILITY  TO CRITICAL COUPLE MINUTES.  ANOTHER BOUT. NEXT 10 YEARS  ABOUT 325.7 MILLION DOLLARS.  HAVE HAS IDENTIFY YOU KNOW  WITH ONE OF THE THE HIGHEST  PRIORITY PROJECT BEING THE  UTILITY ADMINISTRATION  BUILDING. THIS IS I MEAN  BEFORE THE HURRICANES BUT  COURSE HURRICANE DEBT.  DESTROYED THE ADMIN BUILDING.  FUNDING OF OF CAPITAL OF THE  CAPITAL NEEDS ON A 100% YOUR  BASIS IS UNSUSTAINABLE BUT THE  UTILITY DOES HAVE THAT  CAPACITY YOUR ABILITY TO ISSUE  THAT THAT TO FINANCE PORTION  CRITICAL COUPLE NEEDS. THAT  FINANCING IS GREATER  GENERATIONALLY EQUITY  BASICALLY THE CAPITAL COST OF  THE ASSETS ARE PAID OVER THE  LIFE OF THE ASSETS. YOU CAN  ALSO WALK IN. TODAY'S YOU KNOW  TO TO GET THE WORK VERSUS  HAVING YOU KNOW SAVE ENOUGH  MONEY TO COMPLETE THE PROJECTS  WHICH ON A PACE GO BASIS WAS  JUST COULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE  OVER TIME. BUT THE OUTCOME OF  THE NOVEMBER 5TH TRY THE  REFERENDUM WILL SIGNIFICANTLY.  YOU TOTALLY UTILITY FINANCIAL  PLANNING OPTIONS. AS FAR AS  THE RECOMMENDED USE RATE  INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2000  BUT IT'S BASICALLY A 6.9 2%  ABOVE THE 2.5 A PERCENT THAT  HAS ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED SO  FOR A USER 3,000 GALLONS  THAT'S AN INCREASE. IF A  CUSTOMER HAS WATER AND SEWER  SERVICE. INCREASE PER MONTH  $9.38. IT THE CUSTOMER WE HAVE  WATER SERVICE TO $3 AND MY  $0.2 MONTH. IT'S IT'S OFTEN  GOOD TO COMMUNICATE THAT THE  COST FOR A GALLON OF WATER AND  SEWER WATER WASTEWATER  SERVICE. YOU CAN SEE THAT  UNDER THE PROPOSED RATES.  SOMEONE USING $3,000 WITH AND  FACT OF 3.6 CENTS FOR WATER  AND WASTEWATER SERVICE 3.6  CENTS PER GALLON HAVE WATER  DELIVERED TO THE HOUSE THEN A  TAKEAWAY OUTLETS ONCE OR DIE  SO THAT WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT  COST PER GALLON TO COUNT OF  OTHER COMBAT MODEL T'S THAT  YOU MIGHT. I BUY THAT HELPS TO  COMMUNICATE THE VALUE OF. THE  SERVICE AND SERVE UP THE EPA  CONSIDERS AFFORDABILITY TO BE  WATER SEWER BUILDING 4.5%  HOUSEHOLD INCOME WELL BELOW  THAT METRIC. SO BUY ANY  UTILITY INDUSTRY STANDARD. UP.  SO THESE THESE RATES WOULD BE  CONSIDERED FOR ONE, ALSO  IMPORTANT TO REALIZE. BUT THE  SMALLER INCREMENTAL  ADJUSTMENTS OVER TIME, A PROOF  POINT FUTURE LARGE TAX  INCREASES WHENEVER I HAD  PRESENT THE NEED FOR A WE'RE A  95% OF JUST OVER 56%  ADJUSTMENT TO A COMMUNITY THAT  HASN'T RATES THE RATES AND 5  TO 10 YEARS. I ALWAYS GET THE  SAME RESPONSE FROM THE  GOVERNED BY WHICH THAT 5 YEARS  AGO OR 10 YEARS AGO WE JUST  GRADUALLY INCREASE THE RATES  EACH YEAR. THAT YOU KNOW THAT  THEY PROPOSE RATES ARE  ANTICIPATED TO PROVIDE SOME  GOOD OPERATING MARGINS FOR  FUNDING AT A FOR EITHER A YOUR  PAGE YOU GO WHERE OR THAT  FINANCING AS YOU CAN SEE IT  WORKED GREAT TO SPAIN, BUT  THEY'RE BE AFTER YOU PAY  PROPERTIES THAT THAT WE HAVE  ABOUT 8 MILLION EXISTING THAT  OPERATE EXPENSES WE HAVE ABOUT  A MILLION DOLLARS REMAINING TO  PROVIDE PERSPECTIVE. I  MENTIONED THE 330 MILLION  DOLLARS AND STOCK OFFER  PURCHASE LAST. IT'S A TODAY'S  VALUE YOU DIVIDE IT BY 30 YEAR  AVERAGE LIKE THAT'S 2.4  MILLION WHICH IS HIGHER THAN  8 MILLION DOLLARS BUT THAT  THIS TO AT LEAST GETS BUT IN  THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS TO  WHERE WE NEED TO GO WITH THAT  WITH THE RIGHT. USE THE  STANDARD THESE RIGHTS WILL  CONSIDER JOB OF. CONSIDERED  COMPETITIVE. SO RIVER.  CUSTOMERS SEWING THE RELATIVE  POSITION. ALSO WRECKED  REPORTED RECOGNIZE THAT THESE  RIGHTS FOR AS OF TODAY, WE  KNOW THAT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER  1ST. A LOT OF THESE UTILITIES  PROBABLY MOST OF THEM ARE  GOING TO BE INCREASING THE AS  AS THE TIME PROGRESSES AND.  AND OTHER UTILITIES THAT ARE  FACING THE SAME CHALLENGES AS  NORTH PORT'S UTILITIES, JUST  THEIR RATES NORTH PORT'S RACE  WILL BE CONSIDERED WILL STILL  CONSIDERED. A COMPETITIVE. BUT  A WAITER BILL COMPARISON, IT'S  IT'S DISCUSSION POINT BUT IT'S  NOT A REPORT CARD BECAUSE  THERE'S SO MANY REASONS WHY  RATES DIFFER AMONG. YOU TOLD  IN MAUNA KEA YOU'RE WHEN  YOU'RE TREATING FRESH WATER,  WE'RE BRACKISH WATER OR.  WHAT'S SO A GOOD LAST PREVIEW  EURO, LEVEL OF TRANSFERS TO  THE GENERAL THEY'RE JUST SO  MANY REASONS WRITES TOUGHER  AMONG UTILITIES SO AGAIN ORDER  RECOGNIZED THAT UTILITY HAS  ITS OWN UNIQUE A SET OF  CIRCUMSTANCES WHAT THE RIGHT  TO BE SET AT LEVELS SO THAT  THE UTILITY ACCOMPLISH ITS  MISSION OF PROVIDING RELIABLE  SERVICE RATES REASONABLE OVER  THE LONG TERM. THE  RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADOPTED  USER RATE ADJUSTMENTS 2025.  INSURED UNTIL SUSTAINED  ABILITIES INCREASES IN THE  UTILITIES COST MUST BE. PASSED  THROUGH TO CUSTOMERS BY IN THE  UTILITY INDUSTRY STANDARD  METRIC THE USER WRITES OUR  KIDS WOULD BE CONSIDERED  AFFORDABLE COMPETITIVE. THEN  AFTER THE RESULTS OF THE  NOVEMBER 5TH. REFERENDUM ARE  KNOWN CONDUCT A FORMAL  COMPREHENSIVE. THE TOTAL RATE  STUDY TO DEVELOP A MULTI YEAR  FINANCIAL AND RATE PLANTS AND  OF COURSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO  CONTINUE TO EXPLORE AND TAKE  ADVANTAGE OF EXTERNAL SUCH AS  RENT AND IT. YOU KNOW A LOT I  DO GET QUESTIONS LIKE YOU KNOW  WHAT FROM A LOT OF UTILITIES.  YOU CAN WE ALL 5 FOR FOR  GRANTS FOR A PERSON BASED  PRODUCTS CERTAINLY GRANTS THAT  THE AWARDING OF GRANTS SPACED  ON THE PRIORITY PROJECTS AND  ALSO WHETHER ANY UTILITY. IT  IS DISSIPATES COMMUNITY WHICH  STUART PORTS, NOT BUT WOULD  ALSO GET PREFERENCE FOR SOME  YOU KNOW. CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE  UTILITIES TO ALWAYS APPLY FOR  GRANTS. JUST MANAGE YOUR  EXPECTATIONS.  ♪ ♪ THAT'S A THAT'S A. ALL RIGHT.  >> MOVING ON TO QUESTIONS. WE  HAVE VICE MAYOR.  >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH  PRESENTATION. QUESTION GO BACK  TO THE SLIDE HERE SHOW  >> YEAH THANK YOU VERY MUCH  FOR THE CAN YOU GO BACK ONE  MORE I BELIEVE IT IS. YEAH  THAT ONE THERE SO IF I UNDER  THE PROPOSED NEW WE DO LOOK AT  THE REVENUES OF 10 POINTS.  RAY. WITH EXISTING DEBT  SERVICE ONLY 2.2 SO WOULD  LEAVE ABOUT AVAILABLE FOR. YOU  KNOW IT'S A PAY AS YOU GO  CAPITAL FUNDING. EITHER PAY AS  YOU GO OR OR OR INTO THAT  SERVICE, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY OK  SO. AND BASED UNDER THE  EXISTING RATES, IT'S ABOUT 5.  SO THERE IS A LITTLE BUILD IN  THEIR PROPORTIONATELY FOR.  CAPITAL NEEDS WHICH IS GOOD. I  MEAN WE OUGHT TO FACE THE  REALITY THAT LIKE WATER RATES  GO UP AND UP AND UP AND THEY  WILL CONTINUE TO PROBABLY WHAT  SHOULD THE REST OF OUR  LIFETIME. I MEAN THE REALITY  IS THIS UTILITY IS PRECIOUS.  IT'S IT'S IT'S A COMMODITY  THAT YOU KNOW WE WE WE'LL  NEVER HAVE ENOUGH FOLKS SO  IT'S TO ME WELL 90% SOUNDS  LIKE A LOT. THE REALITY IS  IT'S $9.38 A MONTH BASED ON  3,000 GALLONS THAT YOU SAY YOU  KNOW IT'S A. TO ME NOT AN  UNREASONABLE NOVEMBER WELL, I  MEAN I LIKE THE APPROACH COME  NOVEMBER WE'LL FIND OUT ONE  WAY OR THE OTHER WHAT  REFERENDUM IS GOING TO DO FOR  US AND IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY  TO BORROW SO PERFECT EXAMPLE  WHEN PORT THAT REFERENDUM IS  TO SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  PROBABLY WHAT WILL BE A MUCH  MORE EXPENSIVE APPROACH TO  ADDRESSING SOME OF THESE  CAPITAL PROJECTS SO I  APPRECIATE VERY MUCH SO I GOT  THERE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER DOW.  >> STAYING ON THIS SIDE UNDER  THE EXISTING RIGHTS IS THAT  WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED AT  THE INCREASE OF 2.5 A PERCENT  OR DOES THAT MEAN THE EXISTING  RATES THAT ARE BEING PAID.  CURRENTLY IN THIS FISCAL  >> THIS IS THIS IS THE RACE  THAT THESE ARE NO ACTION IS IS  WERE TIP WERE TAKEN THIS IS  WHAT THE 2025. REVENUES WHAT  ARE ESTIMATED TO. WITH WITH  U.S. IT'S IT'S IT'S A  PROJECTION OF WHAT IT WOULD BE  UNDER EXISTING RATES. THIS 4.1  MILLION THAT IS PROJECTION  THE. NEW RATES BECOME FACT.  >> GUESS I DIDN'T MAKE MY  QUESTION VERY CLEAR. WE HAVE  TO PROPOSE STRICT WHEN WE  TALKED ABOUT DURING BUDGET  WORKSHOPS OF 2.5 8%. AND THEN  WE HAVE THIS NEW STUDY SHOWING  A 9 AND HALF PERCENT. SO WHAT  IS THE PROPOSED RATES IS IT  THE 9 AND A HAVE THANK YOU AND  THE EXISTING RATES IS THAT THE  2 AND A HALF THAT WAS  DISCUSSED DURING THE JUNE AND  JULY BUDGET WORKSHOPS OR IS  THAT THE EXISTING RATES THAT  WERE ADOPTED FOR LIKE THE 36.9  DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 2.5 A  PERCENT. IT'S SO WITH 2.5 8 IS  NOT REFLECTED IN ANY OF RICE  RIGHT TO 9.5 WAS REFLECTED IN  THE 40.1 MILLION DOLLARS ON  THAT ON SO TAKING IT ONE STEP  FURTHER. AND I KNOW THAT THE  REFERENDUM IS ON THE HORIZON  LIKE 6 WEEKS WELL. HOW HOW  WOULD YOU SEPARATE.  >> THE.  >> AND THE WAS CONSIDERED THE  INCREASE FOR OPERATIONS BASED  ON NRA. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS  WHAT WAS PROPOSED IN JUNE A  WITH THAT THAT WAS THAT YEAH  THAT WAS INDEXING PROPOSITION  THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK WANT TO  SAY.  >> 2020.  >> YES, NEW 5 POINT. A POINT.  1.5 9.5%. HOW MUCH WOULD YOU  SAY IS BASED OPERATING AND HOW  MUCH WOULD YOU SAY IS BASED ON  PLANNING NEEDS.  >> IT'S A IT'S A BIG BIG  PICTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE A  SPREADSHEET WHERE WE WHERE  >> YOU CONSIDER DROPPER YOUR  EXISTING OPERATING RESERVES  CONSIDER YEAR. YOU'RE YOU'RE  PROJECTED OPERATING EXPENSES  WERE CONSIDERED THE YOU HAVE  TO DISH NO PERSONNEL ARE  NEEDED SATURDAY. YOU KEPT THEM  OPEN YOUR CAPITAL PROGRAM  WOULD CONSIDER WHAT KIND OF  OTHER FUNDING SOURCES YOU HAVE  FOR YOUR CAPITAL PROGRAM LIKE  EITHER FRANCE YOU KNOW YOU  KNOW REIMBURSEMENTS OR OR  SOMETHING IT'S A WHOLE  PICTURE. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S  IT'S REALLY OF ALL  ENCOMPASSING. HOW CAN WE MAKE  THE SHIP AND IT'S GOING WHEN  THEY WERE VERY BY YOUR FROM  YEAR TO YEAR.  >> BECAUSE IF IF A LOT OF THIS  MONEY FROM WHAT UNDERSTANDING  IS FOR NEEDS PROJECT NEEDS.  AND YOU EVEN SAID IN ITS IN  YOUR YOUR STUDY THAT THE  REFERENDUM WILL SIGNIFICANTLY  AFFECT THE USER RATES IF IT'S  PASSED. WE'RE GOING WILL HELP  THAT. SO WHY WOULD WE ADOPT  THESE 9.5. NEW RAIDS TODAY  INSTEAD OF COMING BACK AFTER  THE REFERENDUM. ONCE WE KNOW  THE FULL SCOPE OF. THOSE  RAMIFICATIONS IF IT DOES NOT.  >> OF THE 9.5% IS JUST A  STEPPING. STILL I MEAN WE'VE  GOT A LOT OF THERE'S THERE'S  THERE THERE IS DEFINITELY MORE  ADJUSTMENTS ON THE ON THE RISE  AND THIS IS THIS IS A STEPPING  STONE TO TRY AND HELP YOU FROM  HAVING TO YOU KNOW CATCH UP.  YOU KNOW HAVE TO COME BACK  WITH A 20% THINK IT'S STEPPING  STONE TO GRADUALLY INCREASE  THE RIGHTS TO WHERE THEY NEED  TO BE TO  SUPPORT ANY ANY DEBT OR PAY GO  FUNDING. ARE OKAY.  COMMISSIONER LINE.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR ON SLIDE 3.  YOU REFERENCE PAYMENT IN LIEU  OF TAXES. FAMILIAR WITH THAT  AND THAT SOMETIMES CITIES  EXPECT LARGE LAND HOLDING  NONPROFITS TO CONTRIBUTE  SOMETHING INTO THE KICK. AND  IN THIS CONTEXT. WHAT ARE WE  SAYING THAT THESE ARE FEES  THAT ARE NONPROFITS PAY. LET  ME ASK IT DIFFERENTLY DO  NONPROFITS PAY AND TO OUR  DISTRICTS, I KNOW WE DON'T  THEY DON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES.  SO THEY PAY WATER AND SEWER A  PAY SOLID IN THE END IS IN  LIEU OF TAXES. SO HOW DOES  THAT IN LIEU OF TAXES PLAYING  WELL.  >> IT DOES WHAT IT DOES IS  INCREASES YOUR. THE UTILITIES  OPERATING EXPENSES BASICALLY  THE 5% OF REVENUES HAS TO BE A  FREE THAT HAS AN ADDITIONAL  OPERATING EXPENSE OF THE OF  THE UTILITY, SO IT AFFECTS  YOUR THAT THAT PAST YEAR YOUR  BOAT TOO TO TO TO ISSUE THAT  BECAUSE YOU YOU HAVE LARGE  PROPERTY EXPENSES THAT PAY  FOR.  >> I'M NOT GETTING.  >> IT'S A IT'S AN ADDITIONAL  OPERATE EXPENSE OF THE OF THE  SYSTEM. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IN  ITS I WOULD THAT'S TON. IT'S  AND THIS NUMBER HERE. SO IN  OTHER WORDS IT INCREASES YOUR  OFFERING EXPENSES THAT YOU  HAVE LESS MONEY TO TO TO PAY  FOR CAPITAL NEEDS.  >> I'M I'M NOT WHAT STAFF  ONES. WHERE IT UP FOR ME LATER  NANCY GOING OUR UTILITIES  COMMISSIONER DO YOU WANT WHAT  EXACTLY IS YOUR YOU ASKING  WHAT 5% AND LOW TAXES YEAH, I  MEAN WHEN I HEAR PAYMENT IN  LIEU OF TAXES THAT COMING IN  IN MY FRAME OF REFERENCE INTO  A CITY BECAUSE AN ENTITY  DOESN'T PAY PROPERTY TAX WE  DON'T AS A UTILITY. WE DON'T  PAY PROPERTY TAX SO THIS 5%.  OKAY IS 5% OF REVENUE THAT  GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND  FROM THANK YOU NOW GOT THANK  >> SO IT'S BASICALLY HELPING  TO PAY FOR GENERAL FUND  EXPENSE. I'M GOING TO YIELD  FOR NOW I THINK THAT THIS  MIGHT ACCEPT VICE YOU KNOW  JUST TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE  PLAYING WHAT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL SAID. IN THE BUDGET I  BELIEVE WE PROVED TO POINT  WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 2.8%  INCREASE. AM I CORRECT THAT.  THAT'S NOT IN THOSE NUMBERS  YET WHERE YOU YOUR CURRENT  CALL. BUT RIGHT. 2.8 THAT  UNLIKE RICK WHITE'S TO ABOUT A  MILLION DOLLARS WORTH  INCREASED REVENUE. IS IT MORE  THAN THAT. IT'S ANOTHER 2.8%  ON TOP OF THE CURRENT RATES  PRIOR TO 25 BUDGET  RECOMMENDATION. HAD ABOUT A IT  OFF. NO COMEBACK BUT.  >> 2 POINT LET'S SO IF YOU'RE  I CAN ACTUALLY DO THE.  >> ERIC O. SO.  >> YEAH I THINK IT'S I THINK  THERE'S THERE'S A LOT MORE  THINGS I THINK IT'S AROUND  $700,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE  THAT. TO TAKE IT UP TO  SOMEWHERE NEW YEAR. 37 KNOW I  MAY BE A LITTLE LESS THAN  THAT. SO BASICALLY WOULD TAKE  THAT AMOUNT AVAILABLE IF THE  PAYMENT OPERATING EXPENSES AND  EXISTING DEBT SERVICE FROM 4.8  TO MAYBE.  >> 0.8 OR 5.5 IN THAT RANGE  STILL LEAVING US. WELL SHORT  OF 8 MILLION. I CAN'T DO THE  NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD  WITH LIST LAUNDRY LIST OF  FUTILITY PROJECTS THAT OUT  THERE THAT NEED TO GET GOING  WHETHER CHARTER AMENDMENT  PASSES OR FAILS THERE IS A  HUGE HUGE UTILITIES LIFT HERE  IN TERMS OF PROJECTS THAT MUST  GET WHETHER WE HAVE 5 OR  6 MILLION OR WHETHER WE HAVE A  MILLION TO LEVERAGE OR TO PAY  ISSUE GO OBVIOUSLY 5  8 MILLION. PAY SHOULD GO. IT'S  A DROP IN THE BUCKET DOESN'T  PAY FOR ANY PROJECTS TO SPEAK  IF YOU CAN LEVERAGE THAT 5 TO  8 MILLION. OVER A 30 YEAR  PERIOD TIME OR PROJECTS. WE  CAN MOVE FORWARD QUITE A  NUMBER OF THINGS SO. AND ONE  COULD MAKE AN ARGUMENT AS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THINK  WAS IS IF BUDGETING 2 WHY NOT  JUST LIVE UP TO WE DO A FULL  STARTING AND WE SEE HOW THIS  CHARTER MEMBER I I WOULD  SUGGEST THAT  >> THE 98% GOING UP. IT'S  STILL PROBABLY WELL SHORT OF  WHERE THESE ARE GOING TO NEED  TO BE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE  YEARS ANYWAY, SO. IT'S A  QUESTION LIKE YOU SAID, DO WE  WANT TO 2.8% IN 25. AND THEN  WHAT COULD BE 15%. AND THEN  18% OR DO YOU WANT MOVE IT ALL  OVER A PERIOD YEARS BECAUSE  ANYONE WHO REALLY TAKES THE  TIME TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS  WILL COME TO THIS TO THE  REALITY THAT THERE ARE  SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES  INFRASTRUCTURE WAS AND  UTILITIES AREA THAT ARE GOING  TO REQUIRE DOLLARS AND YOU  KNOW YOU CAN AND YOU WANT TO  PAY NOW PAGE WE WANT TO MAKE  AND SO TO ME A GRADUAL  PROGRESSION RATES MISSOURI  WITH. THE MARKET PLACE, IT'S  IT'S A MORE REASONABLE  APPROACH SO I THINK THAT'S  ALSO CONSIDERED THE BEST  MANAGEMENT PRACTICE GRADUAL  INCREASES OVER TIME SO THAT  YOU DON'T HAVE TO WHOLE.  >> DECISION'S IN THE THANK YOU  OKAY COMMISSIONER MIKE YEAH,  JUST IF THE REFERENDUM DOES  NOT PASS. WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON  OUR FUTURE UTILITY RATES. DO  YOU HAVE ANY BACK OF THE  ENVELOPE. ESTIMATES OF THAT WE  NEED TO GO TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS  OUR MOST. COMPELLING PROJECTS.  >> SO ABOUT A YEAR AGO I ASKED  FOR THE STUDY IN ADVANCE OF  ASKING GOING FOR THE RATE  INCREASE. BECAUSE I COULD SEE  THAT WE WERE BEING VERY  SELECTIVE ABOUT WHAT PROJECTS  WE CAN DO BASED ON THE CASH,  HAT. I'VE NEVER SEEN UTILITY  AROUND UTILITIES DON'T HEAL  THEMSELVES PIPES DON'T FIX  THEMSELVES. PUMP STATIONS DO  BREAKFAST THINK THE OKAY THE I  MEAN YOU HAVE TO KEEP FIXING  THINGS AND IF WE DON'T RAISE  THE RATES NOW SOME ASSUMING  THAT WE MAY GET OF BILITY TO  BORROW MONEY. YOU'RE STILL  TALKING TIME DOWN THE ROAD TO  EVEN DETERMINE WHAT THAT LONG  WOULD BE SECURE THE LOAN. YOU  KNOW, I MEAN YOU'RE TALKING  TIME AND TIME IS MONEY AS WE  FOUND OUT WITH OUR  ADMINISTRATION BUILDING GOING  UP. 12 MILLION DOLLARS  BECAUSE. WE WAITED 8 YEARS. IF  WE CONTINUE TO NOT RAISE THE  RATES TO PAY FOR THESE  PROJECTS WHICH IS CERTAINLY  YOU KNOW MAKE A CHOICE YOU CAN  MAKE THERE IS RISK. A LOT OF  REST SO I CAN ONLY PUT IT OUT  TO LIKE THAT I DON'T HAVE  EXACTLY. WE HAVE 80 MILLION  DOLLARS IN THE WATER OR WATER  STUDY FROM OUR WATER MASTER  PLAN ON OUR WATER TREATMENT  PLANT. HUNDREDS OF MILES OF  WATER PIE. HYDRANTS SEWAGE  TREATMENT PLANTS, 2 OF THOSE  PUMP STATIONS, HUNDREDS OF  MILES OF PIPE. IT'S NOT CHEAP  TO OPERATE AND IT'S NOT CHEAP  TO FIX OR REPLACE AND REPAIR.  SO. I WANTED TO DO THE STUDY  BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE  FAIR TO BRING SOMETHING BACK  SHOW YOU. WHY WHY VERSUS JUST  SAYING WE NEED TO DO YOU KNOW  SO AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO  MAKE THE CHOICES BASED ON THE  INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE  WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO BORROW  MONEY WERE CASH ONLY PAST  CANNOT KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.  AND IF WE CAN'T AFFORD IT WE  DON'T DO IT. AND IF WE HAVE TO  CONTINUE TO TAKE MONEY OUT OF  OUR OPERATING FOR CAPITAL  PROJECTS. THIS UTILITY CAN  GROW TO MEET THAT DEMAND.  THOSE ARE JUST THE SIMPLE SO  ALWAYS DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN  FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND FOR OUR  COMMUNITY SO IT'S A CHOICE  WOULD BE.  >> THE RISK ALWAYS RISK IT'S  ALWAYS BASED ON ALRIGHT LET ME  A SIMILAR QUESTION.  >> SO AT THE 9 AND A HALF  PERCENT WE WOULD HAVE.  >> AND ADDITIONAL BUT WOULD  HAVE A MILLION.  >> POTENTIALLY SERVICE, NEW WE  HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT AND  UTILITY I SPOKE ABOUT THE DAY  IN MY BUSINESS AND AND UTILITY  BUSINESS WE GO AFTER FEDERAL  MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE  STATE OR STATE REVOLVING FUND  RIGHT AND THAT CAN RUN 0 TO 2%  WITH PRINCIPLE RIGHT BUT YOU  STILL HAVE TO GET THOSE LOANS  YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR THOSE  LOANS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE  PROJECTS THAT SOMETIMES THEY  HAVE TO BE  ♪ SHOVEL READY. SOMETIMES OR  ♪ GRANT AND THEY'RE NOT  PREDICTABLE ON. BUT THERE ARE  THE CHEAPEST MONEY OUT THERE I  HAD A SAMPLE THAT.  >> EVERY YEARS FOR A IT EVERY  YEAR FOR 8 YEARS HE TRIED FOR  MONEY AND PUT. BUT WE HAD TO  DO VERY LONG-TERM TODAY IF I  HAVE TO PAY CASH FOR A LARGE  PROJECT ON I'M PAYING WITH THE  MONEY OF THE CURRENT CUSTOMER.  IF I HAVE A LOAN.  >> FUTURE CUSTOMERS ARE THAT  SO IF WE CAN TAKE THAT  18 MILLION DOLLARS AND USE IT  FOR DEBT ASSUMING THAT THE  REFERENDUM PASSES NOVEMBER.  >> IS THAT SUFFICIENT TO  LEVERAGE. ENOUGH DEATH TO  START ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE  BIGGER PROJECTS THAT GET  NEGLECTED BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE  TO SAY YES.  >> 80 MILLION IN OUR WATER AND  YOU KNOW WHAT'S WEIRD. THE  LONGER. WE WAIT THE MORE WE  KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND  THE WORSE IT'S GOING TO IT'S  JUST UTILITIES ARE ON OUR  UTILITIES ARE ALL THE  UTILITIES ARE OVER 60 YEARS  OLD. I CAN SPEAK FROM MY OWN  EXPERIENCE THAT'S A LONG TIME.  >> NEED HELP WE NEED MONEY.  >> SO.  >> WHAT WE'RE DOING WE'RE  DOING OK AND WE'RE KEEPING  THINGS GOING ON PRODUCING GOOD  WATER  >> WE'RE NOT HAVING SPELLS AND  DOING. HAVE A 50 MILLION  DOLLAR PIPE THAT I'M GOING TO  HAVE TO INSTALL ON THE OLD  LEGACY WASTEWATER PLANT JUST  TO GET WATER. TO THE PEOPLE IN  TOUCH. SO THAT'S 15 MILLION  RIGHT THERE THAT'S. THAT'S  JUST ONE PIPE. SO I CAN I WAIT  SURE I CAN HOPEFULLY WE DON'T  SHE WAS WITH IT'S JUST A LOT  BUT THIS IS THIS IS A VERY  HIGH LEVEL STUDY WE ARE OUR 3  YEAR RATE INCREASE STUDY IS  ALREADY ON.  >> BOOKS FOR NEXT YEAR TO  START. BUT THE TONS OF SORT OF  A BY THE TIME OUR MONEY GOES  INTO THE GENERAL FUND OUR  PORTION FOR OUR SERVICES RENT.  I THINK WE END UP WITH US.  HALF A PERCENT.  >> AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A  GOOD GOOD POINT BASICALLY THE  THAT 2.5 A PERCENT. PRETTY  MUCH PACE FOR INCREASE IN THE  TRANSFER TO THE TO THE GENERAL  FOR FOR 2025 DOESN'T PAY FOR  THAT SO THE 2.5 FOR 8% IS IT  PRETTY MUCH GONE. WE HAVE TO  IT'S ALL REABSORBED BY THAT  TRANSFER TO THE THAT'S  TRENDING WATER NUMBER.  >> OKAY, THANK YOU ALRIGHT,  COMMISSIONER DOUBT, YEAH I'VE  ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT  THE UTILITIES TRANSFER TO THE  GENERAL FUND.  >> THE PILOT ALL OF THE COSTS  YOU GUYS HAVE TO PAY INTO THE  GENERAL FUND WHEN THE  CUSTOMERS ARE ALREADY PAYING  TAXES INTO THE GENERAL FUND  AND I KNOW SOME OF THAT  TRANSFER IS BECAUSE OF THE  SERVICES THE GENERAL FUND DOES  PROVIDE UTILITIES I RECOGNIZE  BUT IT THE REST OF IT. IT'S  KIND OF QUESTIONABLE IN MY  MIND ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS  WILL BE.  >> THE LIST PROJECTS. BUT YOU  HAVE I DON'T KNOW SLIDE NUMBER  7 THINK IT THANK YOU FOR  PUTTING THIS SLIDE NUMBERS ON  THANK YOU. SO I UNDERSTAND  THAT THIS IS PROJECTS FOR 2034  AND IT'S THE COST OF HOW MUCH  IT'S GOING TO IT FOR THE NEXT  10 YEARS. IT'S SOME OF THAT  LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING  IS ALREADY FUNDED.  >> SO I I DON'T QUITE  UNDERSTAND WAS THAT ON THE  LIST AND THEN THERE'S A COUPLE  ON THERE THAT I SEE THAT OUR  DEVELOPER FUNDED SO WHY IS  THAT ON THE LIST IF THE  DEVELOPERS PAIN FOR SO.  >> SO WHEN CONVERSATION COMES  UP IN THE FUTURE. IT REALLY  NEEDS TO BE MORE STREAMLINED  AS TOO WHEN DID I CIP PROJECT  IS MORE STEERING MIND AND KIND  OF SHOWS WHEN THOSE ARE GOING  TO BE COMING ONLINE BUT  SOMETHING LIKE THIS REALLY  NEEDS TO SHOW WENDY'S TO DO  AND THAT IT'S ALREADY FUNDED  BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDED IN THE  TOTAL AT THE BOTTOM WHICH IS  KIND OF MISLEADING IN MY  OPINION.  >> AND THAT THESE THESE ARE  THE.  >> ESTIMATED CAPITAL  EXPENDITURES WEATHER'S COMING  FROM RESERVES OF REVENUES ARE  ARE CAUGHT THE COMPREHENSIVE  RATE STUDIES THAT DO HAVE THE  CAPITAL PROGRAM BROKEN OUT BY  HERE IT DOES HAVE A FUNDING  SOURCE FOR EACH PROJECT AND  THAT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT  COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION  PROBABLY SOMETIME BEFORE IT'S  CLEAR 2026. AND  >> DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT  USE YOU SAID UTILITIES CAN  ISSUE DEBT. DOES THAT MEAN  UTILITIES CAN ISSUE DEBT  WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL. NO.  >> DON'T THAT WE HAVE ABILITY  WE HAVE CAPACITY TO ISSUE THAT  WE DON'T ISSUE  >> WE WOULD CAN YOU EXPLAIN  THAT A LITTLE THAT WE COULD  ISSUE  >> THEN WE  >> WE HAVE AFTER AFTER  REVENUES. PROPERTY EXPENSES  AND OUR EXISTING THAT WE'VE  GOT SOME MARCH IS LEFT OVER  THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT WE  HAVE WE CALL THAT THE PAST  YEAR WE HAVE THE NEED TO FIND  A BORE FINANCE FOR PROJECT  WITH THAT BASED ON OUR  CURRENT.  >> BASED ON A PROJECTED FINISH  BUT BUT UTILITY STILL HAS TO  GO TO THE SHOW I WANTED TO  MAKE SURE THAT WAS CRYSTAL  UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I DOWN  NOW THAT WOULD GREAT BUT THANK  YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARITY  BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY I DON'T  WANT TO HAVE ANY  MISUNDERSTANDINGS ON THAT SO  THANK YOU VERY MUCH OK.  >> MUCH.  >> FACT THE NUTS AND BOLTS ALL  THIS HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE  AVERAGE HOMEOWNER OUT THERE ON  THEIR BILL ON A MONTHLY BASIS  WITH WATER AND SEWER.  >> SURE DO WANT TO TO IT WAS  NOT IT'S $9 AND $0.38 OR WATER  OR SEWER SERVICE AND $3.92 OF  IT FOR SOMEONE LEAVES HAS.  WATER ONLY SERVICE. AGAIN 3.6  CENTS PER GALLON OF WATER AND  SEWER SERVICE OR 1.5 CENTS PER  GALLON. IF YOU ONLY HAVE WATER  SERVICE. SO THE AVERAGE  HOMEOWNER'S $10 A MONTH. FOR  MONTHS.  >> TIMES 12 MONTHS AS A $120 A  YEAR WHEN PEOPLE ARE STILL  STRUGGLING OUT THERE. MAY NOT  SEEM HIGH TO A LOT OF PEOPLE  BUT IT DOES SEEM HIGH TO SOME.  YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WERE TALKING  ABOUT NUMBERS WITH YOU SAID  THE 2.5% THAT WE HAD TALKED  ABOUT HIM. EARLIER THIS YEAR  THAT'S ALREADY ABSORBED GOING  INTO THE GENERAL FUND BUT WHEN  YOU GO BACK TO YOUR OTHER  NUMBERS YOU GOT YOUR 4% AND  THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR OR  4 MILLION 8 MILLION OR HOWEVER  THAT CHART CAME OUT TO TO  WEAR.  >> THAT THAT YOU COULD USE FOR  THAT OR MOVING FORWARD. YEAH  4.8 OR THE 8 POINT OUT.  >> AND I CAN SAY THAT BUT KNOW  INCLUDE THAT SO THAT WOULD  ACTUALLY TURN INTO 10 POINT  OUT. ACTUALLY THAT'S IT DOES  THAT THE 2 POINT.  >> JUST AT THE OF THE 9.5% I  CAN TELL YOU THAT BASED ON  OTHER UTILITIES. WORK WITH  OPERATING THESE INCREASES ARE  SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER  UTILITIES TRUE EXCEPT FOR THE  ONES THAT ARE HAVING TO CATCH  UP HAVE TO HAVE HIM TO. DO WE  THINK UTILITY IN NEW MEXICO.  THAT'S HAVING TO TRIPLE THE  RATE TO THE NEXT 5 YEARS  BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T RAISED  THE RATES 10 YEARS.  >> AND SO LET ME QUESTION ON  CHART ON THE PROJECTS THAT YOU  HAVE GOING ON YOU HAD  NEIGHBORHOOD EXPANSION. NOW  ISN'T THAT GOING TO BE PAID  FOR BY THE CONSUMER WHEN THEY  WOKE UP TO IT AND EVERYTHING  LIKE LOOKING TO FIND THAT AT A  TIME WHEN HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE  PAID BUT NICE AND I THINK THE  SLIDE IS JUST FROM HEARING  FROM YOU  >> CONFUSING BECAUSE IT'S  THERE TO REPRESENT ALL OF THE  CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE ONGOING.  BUT THAT IS FUNDED BY AND THEN  THERE'S TO PASS A T SOMETHING  THE THE HOMEOWNER WILL PAY  ABOUT $5,000 ARE SPENT.  >> 30 GRAND OUT THE FIRE I  THINK IT'S.  >> IF YOU LOOK AT WASTEWATER  MASTER PLAN IMPROVEMENTS AT  45, I WOULD SAY THAT IS  GROSSLY UNDERESTIMATED SO YOU  CAN YOU CAN WATCH HELP THE  NEIGHBORHOOD EXPANSION AND  JUST ADD TO THE NEXT ONE IN  LINE BECAUSE THAT STUDY IS AND  WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE  TO PUT IN A SECOND SYSTEM AT  THE LEGACY WASTEWATER  TREATMENT PLANT BECAUSE ONE IS  INSUFFICIENT AND THAT'S  PROBABLY GOING TO COST AROUND  20 ARE I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T  SAY BECAUSE I'M GUESSING BUT.  >> IT'S GOING TO BE VERY  EXPENSIVE GO ON AND ON AND  THINGS GETTING A DEFENSIVE  NOW, BUT YOU SAID YOU'RE  GETTING READY TO DO THE STUDY  HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET  THAT'S THE STUDY IS ONGOING  RIGHT NOW IT SHOULD BE.  >> ROUGH DRAFT WILL GET THIS  FALL LATE FALL. THIS FALL.  YES, NOVEMBER DECEMBER IF WE  HAVE A LOT OF MASTER PLAN'S  BEEN COMPLETE FOR ABOUT.  >> 6 MONTHS. WE HAVE A  WASTEWATER PLANT WILL BE DONE  THIS FALL. PLAN.  >> AND IN MY OPINION I WOULD  MUCH RATHER SEE THE STUDY COME  BACK AND MAKE THE DECISIONS  AFTER THAT LIKE MAYBE NEXT  YEAR'S BUDGET TIME. THAT'S  SORT BUT BUT I UNDERSTAND  WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND I  UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE.  RAISES AND I'D RATHER DO SMALL  RATHER THAN LARGE COMING BACK  AND CATCHING UP FROM.  >> YOU KNOW DELINQUENCIES. SO  I MEAN IT'S IT'S A TOUGH. JUST  A THAT YOU RIGHT NOW FOR SO.  >> I I THINK A DEPUTY. IF THE  CITY MANAGER HAD A GOOD  ANALOGY. REALLY KIND OF HAVE  CLUE WHERE YOU KIND OF JUST  YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING THE  RATE INCREASES YOU KIND OF  SQUEEZE AT AT THE CRIME STILL  EXPAND SO SO ANOTHER RICHARD  DEEPER JUST MONTHS INCREASES.  IF YOU KNOW TO THE EXTENT THAT  YOU DON'T PASS THROUGH THESE  PERMANENT.  >> COST INCREASES ON THAT WAS  MISTER TIES BACK TO THAN EVER  TO BRING THAT BALLOON BACK TO  THE OKAY THAT CONVERSATION NO,  BUT THANK YOU. OKAY, VICE  MAYOR.  >> I MEAN EVEN WERE YOU  LOOKING AT THIS  INFRASTRUCTURE. LIST I MEAN  THE REALITY IS THERE'S.  IT'S UNDERSTOOD LET'S PUT IT  THIS WAY IT'S UNDERSTATED  BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY THINGS  THAT WILL COME ON BOARD OVER  THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS THAT  WILL TO THAT NUMBER BUT IF YOU  TOOK OUT THOSE ITEMS FUNDED BY  SURTAX UTILITIES. DEVELOPERS  YOU NAME WE'RE STILL TALKING  BIG KNOW 100 150 MILLION  DOLLARS WORTH OF CAPITAL NEEDS  AND THE REALITY IS EVERY YEAR  THAT WILL INCREASE BY 5 TO 10%  MEN DO THAT SO NO MATTER MANY  CALL DEBT SERVICE, ONE WAY OR  THE OTHER WHAT DOES CHARTER  AMENDMENT PASSES ARE NOT  REALITY CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS  SO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WE'RE  GOING TO PAY FOR IF WE DON'T  PAY FOR AT $10 A MONTH,  INCREASED UTILITY RATES  INCREMENTAL BASIS YEAR AFTER  YEAR AS WE SLOWLY GRADUATE  THIS STAT ALL WHAT'S GOING TO  HAPPEN IS THE ONLY  ALTERNATIVES. TAXES SO THAT WE  HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR SOME  OF THE STUFF ONE WAY OR THE  OTHER WE PAY FOR THE CITIZENS  PAY FOR. IT'S A QUESTION OF  PAINFUL. AND TO WHAT A  BELIEVER THAT THE COURT SHOULD  BE SPREAD OUT OVER THEY SHOULD  BE INCREMENTAL. AND THEY  SHOULD BE BORNE ALL THE  PARTICIPANTS RESIDENTIAL  COMMERCIAL ARE GOING TO  BENEFIT FROM THESE  IMPROVEMENTS AND TO DO THAT.  YOU REALLY NEED. BY AND GNAW.  SQUEEZE BEFORE AND KEEP IT THE  NEXT COUPLE YEARS ONLY TO HAVE  TO MAKE IT THAT IS WHAT NORTH  PORT IS FOREVER, AND IT IS WHY  EVERY THINK ALSO LETTING MUCH  AND IT'S NOT RESPONSIBLE IT'S  NOT FISCALLY PROPER. AND WELL  AS CITIZENS OF 4 YEAR AFTER  YEAR INFRASTRUCTURE AND  FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE DOLLARS  FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO  DO HERE IS STEP. PAY $10 A  MONTH. FOR UTILITIES AND  THAT'S GOING TO YOU 2 YEAR. IT  IS WHAT IT IS AND COMPARABLE  TO WHAT'S GOING ON EVERYWHERE  ELSE IT'S RAINING IN THE LINE.  THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH  WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. IT'S  THIS IS THE REALITY THE COST  OF PROVIDING AND THE  INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT  CONTINUES TO GROW. IT'S THAT  SIMPLE.  >> VICE MAYOR A CITY MANAGER.  >> YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON.  >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I  WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I  BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A.  COST TO OUR BUDGET IF YOU DO  ACTUALLY MAKE A CHANGE IS NOT  RECOMMENDED BY THE CONSULTING  DIRECTOR AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT  THAT AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S  ANYONE. THAT IS WE HAVE TO  TAKE PROJECTS OUT OUR BUDGET  ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING  TODAY. I GET WHERE YOU'RE  COMING FROM HERE THIS SPECIAL  ELECTION THAT OKAY, THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING  >> I JUST WANTED TO TO WAY AND  I AM A WATER CUSTOMER AND I'VE  SAID THIS BEFORE I LOVE MY  CITY WATER. IT SAYS HERE DON'T  UP $4 A MONTH. AND PLUS AND I  KNOW THAT FOR CITY'S SEWER AND  WATER IT'S $10 A MONTH. BUT  THAT'S FOR A PRODUCT AND THE  SERVICE IS WHAT WE DOING IS  PAYING MORE AND NOT GETTING  GETTING ANYTHING BUT PEOPLE  ARE GETTING A IF IF YOU HAVE  SEWER AND WHAT ARE YOU GETTING  SERVICES.  >> PLUS.  >> IF YOU'RE GETTING CITY  YOU'RE NOT PAYING ELECTRICITY  BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ON WELL  EVERY TIME YOU TELL PEOPLE USE  WATER ELECTRICITY FOR THAT  PUMP TO BRING THAT WATER IN  THE HOUSE.  >> I'M NOT SOMETHING I  CONTAINERS OF WATER IT TO MY  HOUSE SO THIS IS THIS A  BARGAIN. THAT'S $0.30 A DAY  THAT $10 A MONTH. IT'S  DEFINITELY. AGAIN PEOPLE ARE  GETTING YOU'RE GETTING A I CAN  SEE THIS BUST. SOME  ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF MONEY  AND I APPRECIATE THEY AND THE  IDEA YOU DO IT SLOWLY AT A  TIME AND IT ISN'T JUST LIKE  BOOM IN THE FACE WE HAVE TO WE  HAVE TO DO THIS SO. IT'S  NECESSARY AND AND THAT'S LIKE  YOU SAID ALL RATES GO UP YOU  MENTIONED CHEMICALS. LIKE CITY  COST THIS ALL GOES INTO IT  THAT HAS TO BE PAID AND YES,  THE RATE PAIRS FOR THAT. AND  THAT'S THAT'S ONLY FAT. USING  I PAY FOR SO. I'M I'M I'M GOOD  WITH THIS COMING DOWN REALLY  WANT TO WRAP THIS UP SO  UNDERSTAND.  >> MY MY FINAL THOUGHT ARM.  >> WE HAVE BEEN RAISING WATER  RATES CONSISTENTLY, ALMOST  EVERY YEARS FOR THE PAST 8  YEARS SO I'VE BEEN HEARING  SOME SOME OVERTONES THAT WE'VE  GOT TO BITE THE BULLET AND WE  GOT IT WE GOT TO DO THIS NOW  WE NEED TO DO IT IN SMALL  INCREMENTS I WANT TO JUST  REMIND EVERYBODY WE HAVE BEEN  DOING IT IN SMALL INCREMENTS  TO AVOID LARGE INCREASES IN  THE RIGHT AND AND SO WE HAVE  BEEN GOOD STEWARDS WE HAVE  BEEN ADDRESSING THINGS. AND  UNFORTUNATELY INFRASTRUCTURE  HAS TO BE MAINTAINED AND COSTS  OF DOING BUSINESS LIKE EVERY  OTHER BUSINESS IN THE CITY IT  KEEPS GOING UP. AND AND WHILE.  I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TO PAY  THIS BECAUSE I'M I'M I WELL  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DO FEEL  FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE  INCREASED I I JUST WANTED TO  PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT YES WE  HAVE BEEN DOING THIS  INCREMENTALLY. WILL BE  FOLLOWING YOUR FUTURE SPENDING  PER SE TO SEE HOW THAT'S ALL  GOING TO PAN OUT.  >> ABOUT MAKE A MOTION HAVE  ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. QUESTION  IN TERMS OF THE MOTION I SEE  THE MOTION HERE ARE WE DOES  THE TECHNICAL MEMORANDUM  INCLUIDAS SPECIFIC RATE.  >> ALL RIGHT DO YOU NEED A  DISASTER NEXT IF HE WOULD  ACCEPT THE TECHNICAL MEMBER  AROUND MEMORANDUM AND YOU HAVE  A BOTH GOT YEAH OKAY AND  PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> WELL GOSH THAT'S SO PORT.  THAT SPREADSHEET KIND OF  CONFIRM WHAT WAS THINK THERE'S  NOT A LOT PEOPLE FIGURED IT  OVERALL NUMBERS ON THERE THE  BIDEN NEED TO BE AN  EMBARRASSING LIKE A LOT OF  CONFUSION. I KNOW THAT  EVERYBODY'S GOT TO THEIR HAT  ON THE REFERENDUM. ONE OF THE  THINGS THAT REALLY HAPPY BUT  IS THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE  BOUGHT AND WHEN YOU START  LOOKING AT THAT THING AND YOU  REALIZE THAT THERE'S A BUNCH  OF MONEY GOING INTO THE  GENERAL FUND MORE THAN THE 5%.  THERE'S JUST A LOT OF NUMBERS  AND THAT THAT WE NEED TO MAKE  SURE WE GET FIGURED OUT. I  UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU GET ANY  WATER SO I DON'T HAVE THAT ON  A WELL ON SEPARATE. IF YOU  GIVE ANY WATER AND SEWER. I  UNDERSTAND THAT $120 LEVELS ON  THE LAW BUT THE PARTS OF OUR  CITY THAT ARE ON CITY WATER  AND SEWER. ALL OLDER PARTS.  YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT RUNNING  CITY WATER WE'RE NOT RUNNING  CITY WATER AND DOWN TO THE  REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE  A $120 A YEAR DOESN'T MEAN  ANYTHING YOU'RE AFFECTING  THOSE PEOPLE DOWN ON SOME PER  YEAR AFFECTING ALL THE PEOPLE  DOWN IN THAT OLD NEIGHBORHOOD.  SO YOU KNOW MAKE SURE KEEPING  YOUR HEAD. $120 DUE TO A  FAMILY THAT HAPPEN ARE TAUGHT.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU CITY  MANAGER.  >> THINK COURT OUR HONESTY  ABOUT THE APPROXIMATE COST OF  THAT CHANGE 54,009 AND ALL. DO  WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC  COMMENT.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION. MAKE IT GO  AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.  >> MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION  NUMBER 2024 DASH  ♪ WHAT ABOUT JUST.  ♪ THAT REAL ESTATE YOU. I MOVE  TO APPROVE THE TECHNICAL  RANDOM FISCAL YEAR 2025 WATER  AND WASTEWATER USER RATES  PREPARED BY COVERAGE INC.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY ICE. THEY'RE STILL  JUST APPROVED THE TECHNICAL  MEMBER AND FISCAL YEAR 2025  WATER AND WASTEWATER USER  RATES HAS PREPARED BY GOV  RATES INC AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON IF THERE'S NOTHING.  >> ALL BUT VOTE.  >> AND PASSES TIED TO 0 ALL  OUR SESSION ON THAT WE MOVING  ON TO PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER 7  RESOLUTION. WAS RIGHT 24 2024  DASH R 8, CITY CLERK, AND YOU  WITH US BY TITLE ONLY.  >> RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH  R DASH 58 A RESOLUTION OF THE  CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA,  ADOPTING UTILITY RATES  SCHEDULE FOR PRIVATE FIRE  PROTECTION SERVICES AND  UTILITY RATES SCHEDULE FOR  WATER AND WASTEWATER  GUARANTEED REVENUE CHANGES.  UTILITY RATES SCHEDULE FOR  RECLAIMED WATER, WATER AND  WASTEWATER SYSTEM BASED  FACILITY CHARGE THE WATER  SYSTEM RATE SCHEDULE FOR WATER  USAGE BY HIM. THE WATER SYSTEM  RATE SCHEDULE FOR BOTH WATER.  THE WASTE WATER SYSTEM RATE  SCHEDULE FOR YOU SAYS THE  WASTEWATER SYSTEMS THAT RIGHT  SCHEDULE, THE WATER AND  WASTEWATER SYSTEM DEPOSIT  SCHEDULE, ADOPTING AUTOMATIC  RATE INCREASES PROVIDING FOR A  CORPORATION RECITALS PROVIDING  FOR CONFLICTS SEVERABILITY AND  FINDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  THANK YOU CITY CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR  FOLLOWING SOME CHARGES ON THE  WORLD THE POPE TO BE ADJUSTED  AS OF. OCTOBER FIRST 2024. THE  RATE. WHAT'S THAT BOTH USE  WATER RATE. THE WATER THE  CHARGES AND YOU ALL YOUR  RATES. WATER RATE WEAST WATER  BASED SO CHARGES IN USE RATES  AS WELL AS WASTE WATER USAGE  FLAT. ALL THE OTHER REASON 23  FOR NEXT OUR WILL REMAIN THE  SAME WITH THEIR RESPECTIVE  TASTE HOW LONG CAN THE  RESOLUTION THAT WAS COMBINING  THE WIND NOT IN THE 60'S.  >> PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. WE  ASKED APPROVED A RESOLUTION  NUMBER 23 4. 58. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT LOOKING FOR  QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, SECTION 8.0 4 REALLY  CAUGHT MY ATTENTION.  >> ESPECIALLY AFTER READING  LEGISLATIVE TEXT ABOUT USING  THE  >> SECTION 8 POINT O 4. IN THE  PAST. LONG LONG AGO, IT WAS  BASED ON CPI AND THEN IT WAS  RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONSULTANT  TO GO TO IAN ARE WHICH IS  BEING. BUILDING ELECTED  ANOTHER TERM. FOR CONSTRUCTION  COSTS TO USE THE MOST PEOPLE  ARE FAMILIAR WITH IAN ARE AT  THIS POINT ESPECIALLY AFTER  THE CONVERSATION ABOUT  REFERENDUM.  >> ALMOST EVERYBODY  UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S UP  >> MY BIGGEST THING IS WE USED  TO USE CPI. ENR THIS  RESOLUTION IS SAYING YOU CAN  USE ONE OR THE OTHER,  WHICHEVER IS HIGHER.  >> AND I I WAS JUST REALLY  TAKEN ABACK BY THAT WHY ARE WE  NOT JUST PICKING ONE AND  STICKING WITH IT AND USING IT  INSTEAD OF. TUESDAY WHICHEVER  IS GOING TO BE IN OUR BEST  INTEREST AS A CITY. I AND  FAILED UNDERSTAND THE LOGIC OF  BOTH WHEN THEIR CONSULTANT  USING AN AR.  >> THE HEAT THE NR  CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX  PROPOSITION WAS ADOPTED IN  2020 AT THE TIME IN OUR  CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WAS A.  YOU KNOW THE THOUGHT PROCESS  WAS THAT THE LOCAL CPI. WAS  NOT. A IT REALLY CAPTURING THE  HE SAYS IN THE IN THE UTILITY  COSTS. NOW IT'S A IT'S A  COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD  WHERE ACTUALLY THE LOCAL CPI  IS IS HIGHER THAN OUR  CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX SO  YOU'RE IN LOCAL COSTS ARE  ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THE  NATIONAL COST AND THAT WAS ONE  OF THE POINTS DURING THE  PRESENTATION TO THAT FLORIDA  INFLATION RIGHT NOW IS  OUTPACING NATIONAL PRINCE AND  THAT'S WHY THERE'S YOU KNOW  THE HIGHER OF THE 2 BECAUSE  LIKE SET THE RIGHT NOW THE  FLORIDA CPI IS HIGHER THAN IN  THE IN THE ER STRUCTURE COST  >> I'M CONFUSED CAN I ASK A  FOLLOW ALONG GESTION. I I  RECALL THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY  TALKING ABOUT 3 DIFFERENT  NUMBERS. ONE WAS CPI WHICH IS  A CONSUMER INDEX. AND THEN WE  LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION COSTS.  AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION AS  TO WHETHER WE WOULD GO WITH  THE FLORIDA ARE RE GENERAL.  COST OUR NATIONAL AND ARE  NOTHING TO DO WITH CPI. LESS  I'M NOT REMEMBERING CORRECTLY  WHAT YOU'RE REMEMBERING  EXACTLY YEAH, SO CPI AND MY  MIND I MEAN IT'S EGGS AND MILK  RIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH  CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SO I THINK  THE QUESTION IS MORE DO WE GO  WITH A FLORIDA NUMBER ARE TO  GET A FOOT WAS FLORIDA,  REGIONAL OUR NATIONAL NUMBER.  IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 8 POINT  O 4. AND THE RESOLUTION ON  PAGE 7. IN THE RESOLUTION, THE  RESOLUTION IT SAYS HERE THAT  THERE SHALL BE AN AUTOMATIC  INCREASE BASED ON THE  PERCENTAGE REPORTED IN THE TNR  COST INDEX OR THE MIAMI FORT  LAUDERDALE WEST PALM BEACH  CONSUMER PRICE INDEX CPI  INDEX. WHICHEVER IS GREATER  CPI IS BREAD MILK.  >> WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN WE WE  WENT TO NRA BECAUSE THAT IS  CONSTRUCTION THAT'S WHAT YOU  GUYS ARE DOING YOU'RE DOING  CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR  INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE NOT  BUYING BRITAIN MILL. SO WHY  ARE YOU USING CPI OR ARE IN  OUR WHICHEVER IS HIGHER THAT  IT SEEMS VERY DISINGENUOUS  ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD.  >> CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THAT  IS A NATIONAL AND X THE AND  BUT THE MIAMI FORT LAUDERDALE.  CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS IT'S  IT IS A LOCAL IMPACTS THAT  MIGHT BE MORE DIDN'T THEY MAY  OR MAY NOT BE. THEY OF YOUR  ACTUAL COST. LIKE THAT WHERE  WE'RE DEALING WITH AN  UNPRECEDENTED TIME. IF YOU  LOOK AT THE LONG LONG-TERM THE  LONG-TERM IN OUR CONSTRUCTION  COSTS AND TAXES HAVE HIGHER  INCREASES OVER TIME. VERSUS  THE LOCAL CPI. BUT I WOULD I  WOULD. RIGHT NOW THE LOCAL CPI  IS HIGHER. WE'RE JUST AGAIN  WE'RE JUST TRYING TO. BUT THE  UTILITY ON THE POUT SO YOU'RE  YOU'RE INCREASING RATES  GRADUALLY OVER OVER TIME NOT  HAVING THE YOU KNOW. AND  RECOVERY ARE.  >> ANNUAL INFLATIONARY COST  OKAY AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING.  >> DISRESPECTFUL AND I  ABSOLUTELY MEAN NO DISRESPECT  CBI. FOR LACK OF IS BREAD  MILK. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME  UTILITIES BROUGHT MELT FOR  THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.  >> WHAT ACTUALLY COMPONENT OF  OF THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS  THE WATER AND SEWER.  MAINTENANCE INDEX WHICH  MEASURES THE THE THE THE COSTS  OF. WATER AND SEWER SERVICE  THAT THAT'S THAT'S AN ELEMENT  OF THE THE  >> AND BECAUSE WE'RE THE  LEGISLATORS OF THE CITY I  REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO  FOCUS ON PICKING ONE. STICKING  WITH IT IN OUR IS MORE  DISTRICTS STANDARD FOR  BUILDING IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND  STICK WITH THAT AND ONLY USE  THAT NOT GO WITH CPI.  >> WELL EITHER EITHER WAY.  >> YOU PREVIOUS CONSULTANTS  SUGGESTIONS TO STICK WITH ENR.  >> SO THERE'S THERE'S NOT.  REGARDLESS OF YOUR PERCH ARE  DOING THE RIGHT THING OF JUST  TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH  INFLATION. SO. IF THAT IF THE  COMMISSION'S WELL AS TO THIS  IS JUST CHOOSE ONE THAT'S  THAT'S PERFECTLY PERFECTLY  FINE. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT IT'S  NOT A YOU'RE STILL AT LEAST  HAVE SOME SORT OF MECHANISM TO  KEEP UP WITH INFLATION.  >> I YIELD COMMISSIONER  LANGDON YEAH, QUICK QUESTION  RELATED.  >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW  THE FACT THAT THE NRA IS A  NATIONAL MEASURE AND THERE ARE  THINGS GOING ON IN OUR REGION  OUR STATE BETTER ANOMALOUS TO  THAT IT IS THERE ANY OBJECTIVE  MEASURE THAT CALCULATES THE  CHANGE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS  IN OUR STATE.  >> THAT JUST MIGHT USE YOU  KNOW YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT  THE STATE AN ARBORIST NATIONAL  BECAUSE THE STATE IS RUNNING  HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL.  BECAUSE WE'RE OUT  >> YES, SO THIS I WOULD GO GO  WITH THE STATE I MEAN THAT'S  THE MOST ACCURATE MEASURE OF  WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING AND  STAY AROUND.  >> CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. I  WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE STAFF WERE  ILLEGAL. IF WE CHANGE THE  LIGHT WINDS. WE HAVE TO NOTICE  PEOPLE FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS.  BEFORE WE COULD HAVE A RATE  SHOULD SHOULD HAVE I MEAN IF  THEY THEY HAVE ABILITY TO WE  CAN CHANGE AND YOU KNOW YOU  SAY JUST STICK WITH MUCH  RECORD INSTRUCTIONAL COSTS IN  THAT CITY SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO  I THANK YOU VICE MAYOR SORT.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON  ADDRESSED THE EXACT ABOUT  THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK HAVE  A QUESTION THOUGH ON ONLINE  SECTION 8 FOR IT DOES.  >> HAVEN'T OR IN THERE SO WAS  I NOT INTERPRETING THAT  CORRECTLY SAY WHICHEVER ONE IS  GRATED GREATER SO WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT CHANGING AND I  THINK IT WOULD. MOTION JUST  HAVE ONE IN THERE.  >> SO MAYBE STICK WITH THE  ENGINE THIS RECORD OF  CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THAT'S  THAT YOU CAN USE A BIT OF THAT  INDEX COMES OUT TO BE LOWER  THAN WHAT THE CPI WOULD BE  WORSE RIGHT WITH THE THAT TOLD  I WOULD.  >> IF I WERE YOU KNOW LOOKING  TO THE FUTURE I I WOULD  IMAGINE THAT ULTIMATELY FOR  NATION WILL WILL STABILIZE AND  WILL START LOOKING. WILL  PROBABLY OVER OVER TIME I  WOULD PROBABLY EXPECT OUR  CONSTRUCTION COST INDEX TO  ULTIMATELY START BEING A  LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN UP  BORDER I LIKE THAT STORY THAT  I SAID IT'S JUST PRESIDENT  TIMES RIGHT NOW. OKAY, BUT  WHAT WAS THE RELIEF ARE  PUTTING THE OR IN THERE I  INTERPRET THAT AS MEANING AS  WE'RE GOING TO PICK. YEAH THE  GREATER WANT, BUT WHAT YOU'RE  SAYING NOW IS WE WANT TO TAKE  THE OR OUT AT THE WILL OF THE  WILL FINISH.  >> WELL COMMISSION.  >> WE HAVE ANY OTHER I DON'T  BUT NOT ON ALL RIGHT DO WE  HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.  ♪ ALL RIGHT SOME POSING PORTION  OF THE PUBLIC LOOKING GO  COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER AND  BLANKET.  >> IT ALL MEANS GO AHEAD I'LL  GIVE IT A SHOT. I MOVE TO  ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024  DASH R DASH  >> USING THE  ♪ >> ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD AND  ACTS. FOR OUR ANNUAL UTILITY  RATE SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENTS.  >> REACH WHAT END. YOU KNOW I  WANT TO QUALIFY THAT NR.  FLORIDA NOW.  >> WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE THE  CONVERSATION SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION. OKAY, SO WE DO  HAVE A MOTION COMMISSIONER  LANGDON CAN YOU READ THAT  VACCINE WORK.  >> TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER  2024 DASH R DASH 58 USING THE  N R INDEX FOR ANNUAL UTILITY  RATES SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENTS.  >> USING THE WHAT JUST ARE  OKAY. ALL RIGHT AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL AND IF I'M YES BUT IS  THAT UNDERSTOOD THAT  EVERYTHING THAT SAYS OR THE  MIAMI FORT LAUDERDALE CPI WILL  BE REMOVED TO DELETE IT.  >> IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT OK  WELL I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE  BECAUSE NRA HAS ALREADY  MENTIONED IN BUT SO IS THE  REST SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE  SURE IT WAS INTENDED TO REMOVE  THE CPA.  >> SINCE WE'RE OPEN TO  DISCUSSION I WOULD SIMPLY SAY.  I THINK USING NO LONG-TERM  WILL GIVE US A BETTER STABLE  MEASURE THE SHORT TERM THE  FLORIDA NUMBERS ARE SO OUT OF  WHACK WE CAN HAVE A  CONVERSATION.  >> I WOULD. QUESTION WHY WE  WOULDN'T WANT TO USE TO THE  FLORIDA DNR RATE. RIGHT NOW  PUT IT IN PLACE AND WE WITH  IT. NOW AND IN THE FUTURE  SINCE THAT IS THE MOST SAYS TO  THE PEOPLE REPRESENTATIVE ALSO  BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION  COSTS HERE IN THE STATE OF  FLORIDA WHICH IS WHAT. THIS  SHOULD BE TIED TO.  >> I MEAN I JUST DON'T SEE THE  REASON WHY NOT TO DO AND THEY  GO M I MEAN THANK YOU I'D LIKE  TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO. I'M  SORRY I.  >> I DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT  OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE 14 JUNIOR  NEWS RECORD. A CONSTRUCTION,  THIS. LET'S UTILITIES USE THE  NATIONAL IN OUR CONSTRUCTION  COST INDEX. SO WHAT I WOULD  CAUTION MAKING THIS CHANGE  UNTIL. YOU KNOW WE WE WERE DO  A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON  ON IT AND.  >> LOOK AT AT THE OVERALL  TREND SUPPLY WE DON'T MAKE THE  CHANGE TODAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING  TO BE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST.  IF WE DO NOT. THIS OUT TODAY,  YOU'RE I SAID RIGHT NOW.  >> RIGHT NOW GOT THE AUTOMATIC  INCREASE BASED A NATIONALLY IN  THE COUNTRY RECORD AND THAT'S  WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT JUST  18 THAT'S WHERE THE 2.5 A  PERCENT. I'M SUGGESTING  MAINTAIN THAT UNTIL WE DO A  LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH AND  THE HERE'S YOUR FOLKS STUDY  COMES BACK.  >> HAVE BE ABLE TO HAVE A  LITTLE BIT MORE TERM.  >> ANOTHER FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.  THE 9.5 IS BASED ON FLORIDA  NUMBERS.  >> IT'S I'M NOT SURE HOW WE  CAME UP WITH THE FLORIDA AND  OUR I KNOW THAT WHEN THE IN  OUR CAME IN AT THE LOWEST  SOLO. THAT WE SAID WHAT IS  WHAT IS IT IN FLORIDA WE  REALIZED THE FLORIDA NUMBERS  WERE. MAYBE LOOKING AT CPI BUT  MICHELLE WAS JUST LOOKING ON  IN OF GOOGLE AND TO SEE IF WE  CAN FIND A FLORIDA AND ARE OR  THAT THERE DOESN'T APPEAR TO  WANT SO I THINK GOOD TO JUST  KEEP IT AS AN ENR. CALLING OUT  FLORIDA AND ARE JUST KEEP IT  AS ARE. SO WITH A LITTLE MORE  RESEARCH ON IT AND THAT THAT'S  FINE THAT HELP THE FOR THIS  YEAR WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE NEXT  CHANGE THE LANGUAGE OF ME.  FIND SOMETHING THAT'S MY  EXPERIENCE JUST KEEPING AN EYE  TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE. JUST  ACCOUNT.  >> HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE  DID NOT NEED I SAID I WOULD  LIKE TO AND SOMETHING. THAT'S  SAME COLLEGE STUDENTS HAVE  RIGHT NOW THE QUESTION MAYOR  THAT.  >> OK SO WE READ ABOUT WE NEED  THAT READ BACK, WE KNOW ARE  VOTING ON. BACKED THE MOTION  PLEASE.  >> TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER  2024 DASH R DASH 58 USING N R  INDEX FOR ANNUAL UTILITY RATES  SCHEDULE ADJUSTMENTS.  >> OKAY. AND WE HAVE IT SO ITS  BOW. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO ONE  WITH COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, NO  NO NO.  >> THAT HAPPENED CAN WE OKAY  OKAY.  >> MOST OF SNOW BUT.  ♪ ♪ >> HARD  >> TO READ A OKAY.  >> WHY YOU GUYS ALL ORDINANCES  A SECOND READING ALL RIGHT  THIS IS ITEM BE ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 DASH  >> CITY CLERK, EVEN BY TITLE  ONLY.  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  34 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA AMENDING  THE CODE OF  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT, FL  APPENDIX CITY STRUCTURE  MENDING CITYWIDE THESE  DEVELOPMENTS SERVICE BAYS ARE  RESCUE DISTRICT FEES PLACED  THESE PARKS AND RECREATION  FEES. IT'S ALWAYS EASY THESE  ROAD AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT  THESE ESSENTIAL SERVICES  FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING SEVERABILITY  PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> I THINK YOU ABOUT THAT CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  THERE THE ORGAN IS UPDATING  CITYWIDE EASE CHANGES BETWEEN  THE FIRST AND SECOND READING.  >> FACE 31 MEMBERSHIP. WOULD  HAVE MISSION TO 35 TO DO IT.  ACTIVITIES INTERSECTION A  STORY THAT I RECYCLING. 21  YOUR WAYS AND PAGE 50 PEOPLE  CHANGES THAT WERE REQUESTED  HAVE A MEETING WITH ONE UP  WITH NUMBER 20 FOR REPORT NEXT  WEEK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER. QUESTIONS.  >> I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING SO  WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC  COMMENT.  >> IT IT COMES TO THE FEES.  KIEV ON THE OR SOLID WASTE.  OUR SOLID WASTE DIVISION DOES  AN EXCELLENT JOB. THE COUPLE  RECOVERED COUPLE THINGS EVERY  YEAR YOU KNOW, BEEN GREAT JOB.  OKAY ASKING FOR A 10%  INCREASE. MY QUESTION BUT 2  REAL THAT I LOOKED AT IT LOOKS  LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BRING IN  THE X 2 LOCAL MILLION DOLLARS.  MY QUESTION REALLY WHAT IS  THAT. NO REVENUE THIS 10%  INCREASE, WE'RE SOLID IS IT  GOING TO BE PAID OR. IT WORKED  THE SOLID WASTE OZ IS IT GOING  TO BE PAID FOR THAT ROCKS THE  INSURANCE FOR THE EMPLOYEES  THAT EMPLOYEES PAID IS THIS  MONEY GOING INTO THE GENERAL  FUND THAT WILL BE USED. WELL  WHO KNOWS WHAT. AND IF IT TO  PUT INTO THE GENERAL FUND.  THIS IS NOT BEING GENUINE WITH  THE CITY. RESIDENTS. IT'S A  DECEPTIVE. WAY RAISING TAXES.  THE CITY.  >> SOLID WASTE SERVICE IS A  SERVICE.  >> TAXPAYERS WE RESIDENTS  SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THAT  SERVICE, NOT GENERATING  REVENUE, IT'S NOT A BUSINESS.  THANK THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M CLOSING.  THIS PORTION OF THE PUBLIC  WITH THE PROMOTION GOT TO DO  COMMISSIONER LANGDON THANK I  MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER  2024 DASH 34 HAS PRESENTED  SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT WITH THE MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON  TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 2, 4, AS PRESENTED AND  THAT WAS SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR STOKES IF THERE'S  SOMETHING OUT LET'S ON THAT.  >> AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 ALL  RIGHT MOVING ON TO ITEM C.  AGAIN THIS IS SECOND READING  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 3 CITY  CLERK THIS BY TITLE ONLY.  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  33 ORDINANCE THE CITY IN NORTH  PORT FLORIDA UPDATING  REFERENCES TO THE CITY HE'S  SCHEDULED THROUGHOUT THE CODE  OF THE CITY IN NORTH PARK  FLORIDA AND UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE. REFERENCES  TO SPECIFIC DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR  FEES IN ARTICLE 9 CODE  ENFORCEMENT CHAPTER 2  ADMINISTRATION. AND ARTICLE 4  ABANDONED PROPERTY OF CHAPTER,  42 NEWSON SAYS OF THE CODE OF  THE CITY IN NORTH PARK  FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR  FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY  PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR ITEM  BEING REFERENCES TO THE CITY  SCHEDULE AS WELL VIOLATION OF  CODE. JAMES THE FIRST AND  SECOND READING WITH THE  DIVISION TITLE BLOCK HAS BY  THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WE ASK  THAT YOU ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 33 TODAY. THANK  YOU.  >> THANK YOU ALL RIGHT LOOKING  FOR ANY COMMISSIONER  QUESTIONS.  >> NOT SAYING I MY SCREEN IS  LOCKED ON BY 2 COMMUNITY ON  >> EVERYONE BUT THANK DID YOU  HAVE SOMETHING TO ICE CREAM  OUT  >> ALL RIGHT I'M NOT SEEING  ANY QUESTIONS PUBLIC COMMENT.  ALL RIGHT SOME POSING THIS  PORTION OF THE PUBLIC WITH  PROMOTION.  >> MAKE IT GO AHEAD. I MOVE TO  ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DISH 33 IS PRESENT. SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STILL TO  ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 33 AS PRESENTED AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, IF THERE'S NOTHING  ELSE.  >> LET US BOW.  >> AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 ALL  RIGHT.  >> MOVING ON ITEM D AGAIN THIS  IS THE SECOND READING  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 35  CITY CLERK NEAR BY TITLE ONLY.  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  35 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA ADOPTED  AS A CURATE LOT TO RATIFY  VALIDATE AND CONFIRM ALL  RESOLUTIONS THAT ADOPTED OR  AMENDED THE CITY'S  NON-DISTRICT BUDGET AND OR THE  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR  FISCAL YEARS 2021 DASH 2022,  2022 DASH 2023 2023 DASH 24  DECLARING THE RESOLUTIONS AND  THE RELATED BUDGETARY ACTIONS  TO BE LEGAL AND VALID IN ALL  RESPECTS WRITING FOR FINDINGS  PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING SEVERABILITY  PROVIDING FOR RETROACTIVE  APPLICATION TO THE EFFECTIVE  DATE OF THE REFERENCED  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> THANK YOU CITY MANAGER THIS  IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU, MADAM  MAYOR IS ITEM WAS CONTINUED  FROM THE MEETING OF SEPTEMBER  10 2024 WITH THE COMMISSION  CONTINUE WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.  WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT  ORDINANCE BEEN BETWEEN  FOREGOING 25 TODAY.  >> ALL RIGHT LOOKING FOR ANY  QUESTIONS. AND I'M NOT SEEING  ANY ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL  RIGHT SOME CLOSING THIS  PORTION OF THE PUBLIC LOOKING  FOR A MOTION MOVE TO ADOPT  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 5 S  PERCENT.  >> A SECOND ALL RIGHT WE HAVE  A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR TO  ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 35 AS PRESENTED NO SECOND  BY COMMISSIONER. IF THERE'S  NOTHING AND THAT PASSES 5 TO  YOUR MOVING ON TO AGAIN SECOND  ITEMS, THE ORDINANCE NUMBER  2024 DASH 30.  >> 6 CLERK AND YOU READ THIS  BY TITLE ONLY.  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  36 AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA AMENDING  THE NON-DISTRICT BUDGET AND  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR  FISCAL YEAR 2023 DASH 2024 FOR  HURRICANE IAN REPAIRS AND  ENVIRONMENTAL PARK REPAIRS AND  THE AMOUNT OF  4 MILLION 350 THOUSAND 302  DOLLARS. PROVIDING FOR  FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR POSTING  PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> THANK YOU CITY MANAGER THIS  IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THEY COME HERE REGULAR  MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 10 TO  2024 CITY COMMISSION CONTINUE  THIS ORDINANCE THE SECOND  READING ON REPORT AS RECOMMEND  THAT DO TO ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2020 24 36 THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT LOOKING FOR ANY  COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS THIS  POINT.  >> NOT SAYING ANYTHING.  >> ANY PUBLIC ALL RIGHT SOME  CLOSING PORTION OF THE PUBLIC  HEARING AND LOOKING FOR MOTION  WILL MAKE VICE CHAIR MOVE TO  ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 36 AS PRESENTED. WE HAVE  A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES TO ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 DASH 36 AS  PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. IF THERE'S NOTHING  ELSE AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.  >> ALL RIGHT WE MOVE ON TO  FIRST READINGS. ALL RIGHT ITEM  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  CITY CLERK CAN YOU READ THIS  BY TITLE ALL ACTION TO READ BY  TITLE ONLY SECOND  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE MOST IN  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO  DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO READ  THIS BY TITLE ONLY SORRY ABOUT  THAT AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> SO LET VOTE ON THAT. AND  THAT'S THAT'S 5 TO 0 AHEAD  CITY CLERK  >> ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  32 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA,  AMENDING THE CODE OF THE CITY  AND REPORT APPENDIX A CITY PEE  SCHEDULE AMENDING DEVELOPMENT  SERVICE FEES INCLUDING  BUILDING DEVELOPMENT REVIEW,  PLANNING ZONING AND NATURAL  RESOURCES FEES TO CORRESPOND  WITH THE NEW UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE WRITING  THINGS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND  TO DATE.  >> ALRIGHT CITY MANAGER THIS  IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM WHAT IS. A  LETTER OF INTENT SUE A  DIRECTOR FOR OUR RIGHTS  SERVICED.  >> ALL RIGHT I COULD LAUREN  SYSTEM DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT  SERVICES. I JUST WANTED TO  TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF REGARDING  THE SCHEDULE AMENDMENT. WE DID  HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION ITEM  ON JULY 23RD WAS CONTINUED TO  THE SPECIAL MEETING ON JULY 20  ATTACHED TO THAT AGENDA ITEM  WERE SOME TALK HUMANS THAT  INCLUDED SOME INFORMATIONAL  NOTES ON THE DRAFT IS CATCH  OFF AND ON THE EXISTING FEE  SCHEDULE ABOUT CHANGES PAST.  TYPICAL TEAM AND NOTES ON  THOSE DOCUMENTS THE EDITION OF  OUR ADVERTISING FEES FOR LEGAL  ADVERTISEMENTS. NO DISSENT  BEING INCORPORATED INTO A FLAT  FEE FOR THE PETITION TYPES.  THIS IS TO A DESIRE TO  INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND AVOID  HAVING AND VOICE APPLICANTS  FOR THOSE COSTS AFTER THEY  HAVE COMPLETED AND 2  CONTINUALLY FOLLOW UP TO  ENSURE THAT THE PROPERTY WAS  RECEIVED. ANOTHER INTERESTING  ABOUT THE DRAFT IS SCHEDULE  YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE ARE.  FIRE DISTRICT SOLID WASTE  DISTRICT UTILITIES. AND RED  AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT AND  2010.  CITY FEE SCHEDULE ADOPTED BY  ORDINANCE 2010 DASH 28  ACTUALLY CALLED OUT FROM  SAFFRON DISTRICT AND UTILITY  CHARGES FOR DEVELOPMENT  ♪ PETITION REVIEW. AND  ♪ 2013. THAT'S WHERE REMOVED  FROM THE SCHEDULE, HOWEVER  THEY WERE CONTINUED.  COLLECTION OF IS OUR  DISTRIBUTION OF OR BACK OFFICE  NOW THE LAW AND THE VARIOUS  DIFFERENT FUNDS CONTINUE TO  OCCUR. SO THE APPEARANCE OF  THE FEE IS THAT THE FEE IS  PAID FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW TO  THE GENERAL ON TO COVER.  PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF  REVIEW WHICH PLANNING AND  ZONING STAFF. AND THAT'S MOST  SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND  THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW  PROCESS. THAT WAS ALSO NOTED  ON THE DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TO  THE JULY 25TH THAT AVERAGE  COST OF JUST PROPPING FOR  PUBLIC HEARING ON NON  COMPLICATED APPLICATION. IT'S  ABOUT $600 WORTH OF STAFF TIME  JUST THE PROJECT NOT  CONSIDERING THE MANAGER AND  THE LEVEL DEPARTMENT  LEADERSHIP TEAM. 2027. ITS  SCHEDULE WAS AMENDED ONCE  AGAIN. WITH SOMETHING NOT  SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE FEE  SCHEDULE. STILL THERE'S  DISTRICT WANT ADDRESSED. WE  HAVE INCORPORATED AND TO OUR  DRAFT THE SCHEDULE  TRANSPARENCY. WE HAVE  INCORPORATED INTO OUR DRAFT  THE SCHEDULE IS THAT ALIGN  INVESTMENT OF STAFF TIME.  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS SO  THAT WE ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING  THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY WITH  GENERAL FUND. FOR THESE  PROCESSES. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO  ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU  MAY HAVE THEM.  >> THANK TO THE. THINKING  SCREEN COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> SO YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON  ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT ASKED  DURING MY AGENDA BRIEFING. I  DIDN'T CATCH THAT LAST DATE  THAT YOU SAID I THOUGHT I  HEARD 2027, BUT I I KNOW THAT  WAS INACCURATE COULD TELL ME  WHEN THAT WAS.  ♪ >> THE AMENDMENT ARE FOR  DEVELOPMENT RIVIAN SPORT  THAT'S 2017 DASH 22 THAT WAS  IN JULY OF 2017 GOT YOU.  >> PROBABLY JUST HEARD IT ALL  BACKWARDS THANK YOU FOR THAT  ♪ >> ORDINANCE NUMBER. I'LL GO  BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT  BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND. SO.  DO APPRECIATE YOU TOUCHING ON  THAT ANSWER. BUT. WHEN WHAT  REALLY STOOD OUT WAS  ANNEXATION. ITS ANNEXATION OF  LAND. AND ANNEXATION OF LAND.  WAS AT $2400. AND NOW IT'S  INCREASING. 2. 3,050 WHICH IS  A 25% INCREASE. AND I KNOW  THAT TO YOU ARE BREAKING DOWN  INCLUDING FEES FOR FIRE.  >> ROAD AND DRAINAGE.  >> FOR THEIR REVIEW, I GUESS.  UTILITIES AND SOLID WASTE.  FAILING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS  SOLID WASTE REVIEWING FOR A  VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AND WHAT  IS ROAD DRAINAGE REVEALING FOR  LAND THAT IS JUST COMING INTO  THE BUILDING NOT NOT ANY  DEVELOPMENT WHAT ARE THEY  REVEAL.  >> RIGHT SO.  >> S P'S AS THOSE DISTRICT  THINGS. ARE ALREADY BEING  CHARGED I HAVE NOT MADE ANY  CHANGES TO FEES. I'M IN MY  OPINION. WE SHOULD AND THE  FUTURE CONDUCT A RATE STUDY TO  REALLY DETERMINE WHAT THESE  OTHER REVIEWING DEPARTMENTS  AND AS FAR AS PLANNED REVIEW  TIME AND THIS DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW PROCESS. THESE THESE  WERE ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2010.  THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED MY  NOT WELL, THEY HAVEN'T  APPROVED BY ORDINANCE NO  CHANGES TO THOSE DISTRICTS  TEENS AND UTILITY FUND FEES  HAVE CHANGED. ORDINANCE SINCE  2010. YEAH AT WHAT'S BEING  DONE AND THE BACK OFFICE AND  NOT A LINE. IT'S NOT ALL  CASES, PRECISELY ME ARE WHAT  WAS IN THE 2010 ORDINANCE. NOT  HAVING THE HISTORICAL  KNOWLEDGE. I CAN'T TELL YOU  HOW THOSE IS WERE DERIVED AND  TO OFFER AS HOW ALL THOSE WERE  AUTHORIZED TO BE DISTRIBUTED  IN THE BACK OFFICE, BUT I CAN  TELL YOU THAT BIG INCREASE IN  THE ANNEXATION AND $650.  ADVERTISING FOR ANNEXATIONS  REQUIRE AND PLAY OUT TO BE  WRONG FOR 2 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS  AND THEY CAN RON. THE  NEIGHBORHOOD. $300 POTS.  THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE SEEING  INCREASE AND THE ANNEXATION  FEE.  >> OKAY ADVERTISING COSTS  MAKING THE REQUEST TO ANNEX IN  THE PROPERTY'S PAIN FOR THOSE  ADVERTISING FEES.  >> EXACTLY FOR THIS NEW FLAT  FEE.  >> THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN  PAYING FOR THOSE.  >> ADVERTISING FEES ALL WE  WANT TO FLATTEN A TO IMPROVE  EFFICIENCY. WE HAVEN'T  MINISTRY STAFF PROCESS VOICING  CONTACTING THE APPLICANT  REQUESTING PAYMENT OF THE  ENVOY SAYING FOLLOWING UP TO  MAKE SURE THAT THE INVOICES  HAVE AND PAID. WE'RE PROBABLY  SPENDING. NOT ON THE  INDEXATION PROJECT NECESSARILY  BUT FOR A TYPICAL OBJECT THAT  REQUIRES AN ADVERTISEMENT  WE'RE PROBABLY EXPANDING. AND  THAT STAFF TIME. THAT. THEIR  RETURN WHEN THAT REVENUE WAS  ACTUALLY PAID SIGNIFICANTLY  LOWER AND THE ACTUAL HARD  COSTS.  >> IF THESE FEEDS ARE ALREADY  BEING.  >> THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING.  THEY'RE ALREADY BEING CHARGED  IN THAT $2400.  >> AND  >> THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS  GETTING A $100 FOR REVIEWING  OF ANNEXATION. WHAT ARE THEY  REVEALING.  >> WELL THEY'RE REVIEWING THE  LOCATION OF THE ANNEXATION  PROPERTY, THEY'RE MAKING A  DETERMINATION IF THEY CAN  PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICES TO  THAT PROPERTY.  >> YOU SAID THAT THEY NEED TO  DO A RATE STUDY I THOUGHT  WHEN.  ♪ THIS COMMISSION AND PREVIOUS  COMMISSIONS. HAVE INSTRUCTED  TO DO A RATE STUDY OF ALL.  ♪ >> FEES. BEING CHARGED IN THIS  FEE SCHEDULE. ARE YOU KNOW  SAYING THAT THOSE DISTRICT. IT  IS NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN  THAT.  >> THE RATE STUDY THAT WAS  REQUESTED IT'S MY  UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A  FINANCE DIVISION PROJECT NOT  MY PROJECT THAT IT'S MY  UNDERSTANDING THAT DECISION  WAS MADE NOT TO REVIEW THE  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, CURRENT  RATE STUDY BECAUSE OF THE  TIMING. THEY STARTED THIS  MONTHS AGO. THESE ARE THESE  ARE FEES THAT ARE BEING  BROUGHT FORWARD TO ALIGN WITH  THE NEW UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING NEW  APPLICATION TOPS. NUMBER WELL,  NUMBER 2.  >> DISTRICT  >> FEES AND THE UTILITY FEES  THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING  CHARGED IN THE BACK OFFICE OR  NOT WE'RE IN SCHEDULE.  >> SO.  >> AND LAST THERE HAVE SOME  COMMUNICATION TO FINANCE AND  THEIR CONSULTANTS. HEY BY THE  WAY WE NEED THESE DISTRICT IN  UTAH DEFUNDING FOR DEVELOPMENT  REVIEWED TO BE LOOKED AT. THEY  WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REVIEWED  THROUGH THAT PROCESS I THAT'S  WHAT THE SCHEDULE. NOW I CAN  EXPLAIN WHAT PRIOR  ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE  RELATIONSHIP TO THESE  DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IS I CAN  TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING  HERE PROVIDES THAT WE DON'T  SUBSIDIZE THE DEVELOPMENT  COMMUNITY TO THE EXTENT WE  WERE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN THAT  THEY STILL MAY WELL BE LOWER  AND THEY SHOULD BE WHEN YOU  THINK ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS  INVOLVED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW PROCESS. FACE HAD NOT  BEEN TOUCHED SINCE 2010 EXCEPT  THERE ARE INCONSISTENCIES  BETWEEN WHAT WAS IN 2010  WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING CHARGED  IN THE BACK OFFICE. AGAIN I  HAVE NO RECORDS NO  DOCUMENTATION PLANES OUT THIS  WON'T STOP OR WHY IT WILL STOP  AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE  THINK. IN TRANSPARENT AND  MAKING IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC  AT THOSE. HEY THAT'S THOSE  THAT THEY'RE PAYING ARE NOT  GOING ALL THE THAT THEY ARE  GOING TO OTHER BROUGHT NEW  FONTS.  >> YOU SAID THAT THE.  >> $650 FOR AND I'M JUST  FOCUSING ANNEXATION BECAUSE  WANT TO FOCUS BECAUSE THEY ARE  THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE  DOCUMENT. THIS $650 IS FOR  ADVERTISING COSTS. FIRE ROAD  AND DRAINAGE SOLID WASTE AND  UTILITIES EVIL $650. SO IT IT  IS APPEARING. DISTRICT FEES  AND UTILITIES.  >> IS WHAT IS CAUSING THAT  INCREASE WORDING HERE SAYS IS  ANNOTATION IS THE BASIC  APPLICATION. OKAY, IT'S IT'S A  IT'S NOT A HAPPY STAFF LET SO  WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT $600 PER  PLANNING PROJECT. GUESS I'M  PROJECT PLANNER $600 FOR THEM  TO PUT TOGETHER. REVIEW THE  APPLICATION. QUICK CHECK TO ME  STATES NOT A TORY  REQUIREMENTS. A PAIR OF THE  STAFF REPORT ATTEND THE  MEANING ATTEND THE COMMISSION  MEETING. SO. YOU'VE GOT TO  $1800 3 HOURS 3 HOURS FOR  HEART.  >> REFRESH MY MEMORY. CALL IT.  >> ON 60 HOURS STAFF TIME  ACROSS THE BOARD BETWEEN  EDISON THE COUNTY REVEALING  THE STATUTORY PROVISION, THE  STAFF REPORT REPAIRING THE  LEGISTAR ITEM ATTENDING THE  COMMISSION MEETING AWARD  MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT. A  CALL THAT $1800. SO ACTUALLY  IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT WE  REDUCE THE FEE FOR PLANNING  REVIEW BECAUSE WE THAT  ADVERTISING AND ON TOP STILL  COMING IN AT $2400.  >> OKAY I APPRECIATE IT. BUT  MY QUESTION STILL REMAINS, YOU  SAID THAT THIS $650 INCREASE  IS FOR ADVERTISING COSTS. BUT  WHEN YOU ADD UP THE DISTRICTS  AND UTILITIES THAT IS THE $650  IF CAN TO ADVERTISING COSTS  WHAT I'M SAYING IS COSTS  PLANNING. THE ABOUT $1800 AND  STAFF TIME TO PROCESS AN  ANNEXATION.  >> HIM OUT TO THE GENERAL FUND  PROPOSED FOR THE ANNEXATION IS  2400. THEREBY LEAVING ABOUT  $60650 FOR THE ADVERTISING  COSTS.  >> I COULD GO ON ON THIS  ORDINANCE. AND I'M JUST NOT.  >> SEEN WHAT YOU ARE SAYING  BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THOSE  PREVIOUS DOCUMENTS AT MY  DISPOSAL TO REVIEW. I KNOW  THAT BEING ON THE BOARD IN  2017 WHEN WE APPROVED THE  RATES. AND WE GAVE DIRECTION  FOR THAT RATE STUDY IT WAS  SPECIFICALLY TO INCLUDE THE  DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND  ZONING RATE AND ALL OF THE  OTHERS. SO.  >> TO HEAR NOW THAT IT'S NOT  INCLUDING THAT AND AFTER LAST  YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE THE RATES  INCREASED AND WE HAD A LOT OF  PUBLIC COMMENT AND CONCERN  ABOUT THE FEES THAT WERE BEING  CHARGED AND HOW THEY WERE.  >> DERIVED. REITERATED WE  WANTED ANOTHER WE WANT THIS  RATE STUDY AND THAT HASN'T  BEEN DONE YET. AND IT HASN'T  COME TO US YET AND WE'RE  RAISING RATES. AND I'M NOT  SEEN THE PURPOSES EYEING TO  THEM EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU ARE  JUST NOW SAYING TODAY NOT  REFLECTED HERE. AND IT'S NOT  REFLECTED IN DOCUMENT IN THE  BACKUP MATERIALS THAT WE WERE  GIVEN BACK IN JUNE AND JULY  DOESN'T SHOW ABOUT THOSE  DISTRICT 18 UTILITY RATES  INCREASED. I WILL REVIEW THOSE  MATERIALS I WILL ALSO ASKING  FOR A COPY OF THE BIG PROPOSAL  FOR THE RATE STUDY SO I CAN  REVIEW THAT AGAINST WHAT THE  DIRECTION WAS THAT THE  COMMISSION GAVE. AND I DO HAVE  QUESTIONS BUT I DEAL BECAUSE I  KNOW I HAVE TAKEN UP A LOT OF  TIME.  >> YES AND SAYING ANYBODY ELSE  WITH QUESTIONS.  >> WE WITH THAT SO.  >> KNOW WHAT IT WHAT YOU NEED  KNOW IF YOU GO ON TO PAGE 11  WERE YOU LOOKING AT THE  REZONE.  >> IT SAYS REZONE STANDARD  VILLAGE FEE AND HIS 3350.  >> WHAT ABOUT REZONING  ANYTHING FOR ACTIVITY CENTER.  THAT'S NOT LISTED HERE SO IF  THERE'S AN ACTIVITY CENTER  REZONE WHAT ARE THEY PAYING.  >> THEIR PAY AND THEY'RE  PAYING THE SAME.  >> WHAT'S  >> THE SAME FEAT SO WHEN WE  SAY REZONE STANDARD IF YOU  READ INTO THE ULDC YOU HAVE A  STANDARD REZONING WHICH IS A  REZONING TO BUT PHILLIPS AND  THEN YOU HAVE A BILLET  RESIGNED AND THEY'RE CALLED  OUT SEPARATELY IN THE ULDC  BECAUSE THE VILLAGE REZONE  REQUIRES A MASTER CONCEPT PLAN  TO GO WITH IT. SO A STANDARD  REZONING IS  TO REZONE ANYTHING THAT'S NOT  THE CASE.  >> WOULD WE.  >> AND I KNOW THAT AND US FOR  CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.  >> I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR A.  >> IS THE CONSTRUCTION  COMPLETION CERTIFICATE, THE  SAME AS CO NOW. SO IS THERE  FOR CO.  >> THE CEOS FROM THE BUILDING  PERMIT FEE SCHEDULE NOT IN THE  PLANNING AND ZONING TRUCKS  THIS SO THEN WHAT IS A CAN IS.  >> INSTEAD I THOUGHT THAT WAS  A CO SORRY CONSTRUCTION  COMPLETION CERTIFICATE I  CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION  CERTIFICATION  >> IS ISSUED ON COMPLETION  HORIZONTAL SITE CONSTRUCTION  AND INSPECTION.  >> SO UNDER THE NEED THE ULDC  THE PROCESSING PLANT THE  APPLICANT REQUESTING THEIR  FINAL INSPECTIONS AND THEIR  CONSTRUCTION COMPLETION SORT  OF HAITIAN. THE ENGINEERS AND  THAT'S A SCIENCE A LETTER  SAYING THAT THE SITE'S BUILT  TO THE GROUP'S PLANS AND  SPECIFICATIONS AND THEY CEMENT  HAS BUILT WE AS AS DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW TEAM ALL THE  DEPARTMENTS WILL REVIEW IN THE  FINAL INSPECTIONS REVIEW AND  SIGN OFF ON THE PELTS AND THAT  CERTIFIES THEIR SITE WORK  PLATE. CO IT'S ONLY FOR  BUILDINGS ARE.  >> CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, I JUST  FELT THIS WAS NEW TERMINOLOGY  SO I WANT TO PARTY HER TEMPER  SEE A THANK YOU FOR THAT ARE  ♪ OKAY, I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY  ELSE SO I'M GOING TO THE  PUBLIC COMMENT. ALL RIGHT SOME  OF THOSE IN PORTION OF THE  PUBLIC HEARING OCEAN.  >> I GUESS SOME MAKE IT VICE  MAYOR I REMEMBER.  >> I MOVED TO CONTINUE  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DISHED  32 THE SECOND READING ON  10/8/2024.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STONES TO  CONTINUE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 32 TO A SECOND READING ON  OCTOBER 8 2024 AND THAT WAS  SECONDED COMMISSIONER EMRICH  IF THERE'S NOTHING OUT.  >> LET VOTE.  >> AND THEN PASSES 4 TO ONE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SPEAK TO  THAT YEAH I JUST I CANNOT IN  GOOD APPROVE THESE RATE  INCREASES WITHOUT FURTHER  INVESTIGATION. AND AND THESE  ARE VERY LARGE INCREASES SOME  OF THEM EXCESS OF 25%.  REZONING AT BY MY CALCULATIONS  WERE UP 47%. SO I JUST CANNOT  APPROVE THESE RATE INCREASES  BECAUSE IT EFFECTS DEVELOPMENT  WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO GET  BUSINESSES TO DEVELOP HERE.  AND THIS MAY BECOME A  HINDRANCE WITH THESE INCREASES  SO IT'S THE REASON WHY I VOTED  AGAINST IT I WILL CONTINUE TO  DO MORE RESEARCH BETWEEN FIRST  AND SECOND. ALL RIGHT THANK  YOU. I HAVE THAT SAY DON'T  TAKE A BREAK BEFORE WE GET TO  THE NEXT WHAT IT WHAT DO MEAN  OTHER TENT.  >> ALL RIGHT.  >> AND THEN SO COME BACK AT  9.30 IN THE 2,  OKAY, IT IS  9.36 AND WE ARE BACK WE'RE  CONTINUING WITH IMG. ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 DASH 3, 9, AND I  NEED A MOTION TO DIRECT THE  CITY CLERK TO READ THIS BY  TITLE ONLY SHOW.  >> SECOND AND A MOTION MADE BY  VICE THEY ARE STILL GOES TO  DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO READ  THE ORDINANCE BY TITLE ONLY  AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. SO  LET'S VOTE ON THAT. AND THAT  PASSES 5 TO CITY CLERK TAKE IT  AWAY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 39 ORDINANCE TO THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA  ADJUSTING THE BASE SALARY RATE  FORMULA AMENDING THE CODE OF  THE CITY IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA  SECTION 2 DASH 23 DECLARATION  OF SALARY PAYMENT PROVIDING  FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY  PATIENT PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE  DATE.  >> THANK YOU CITY MANAGER THIS  IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM THE CITY  COMMISSION REGULAR SEPTEMBER  TO IT. 2 WEEKS BEFORE THE  COMMISSION GAVE DIRECTION TO  MID SECTION 2 DASH 3, 3, THE  DECREASE IN SALARY, FOR  ACTIVATION. BUT CHANGED A OF A  SALARY RAISE $75. I KNOW FIRST  MEETING TODAY, SEPTEMBER 2420  24. AND THE SECOND READING  WITH THE ON OCTOBER 8TH OF  2024, IF APPROVED THE CITY  COMMISSION SALARY WILL BE  APPROXIMATELY $53,502. THE  CURRENT COVID CITY, YOU KNOW  QUIET TO CHANGE TO THE CITY  COMMISSIONERS ANNUAL SALARY  WILL NOT EXPECTED UNTIL THE  NEXT GENERAL ELECTION AS WE DO  CHANGE MADE WITH TAKE EFFECT  AFTER 5TH 2024 ELECTION FOOD.  THAT'S FIRST PART OF YOUR I  DON'T THE SECOND PART THE  FUTURE CHANGES TO THE BASE  SALARY WE NEED TO BE CONNECTED  BY COMMISSION TODAY. THE  COMMISSION INTENDED TO FOLLOW  THE SCHEDULED AFTER YEAR THE  CITY ABOUT 100 WE NEED  DIRECTION AND DO SO SO WE CAN  BRING IT BACK TO YOU ON SECOND  READING. IS QUESTION IS GOING  TO OKAY THANK YOU 72 DIFFERENT  MOTIONS OR WOULD THAT BE THE  SAME AMOUNT.  >> NEED TO IS THAT IT'S UP TO  US BUT WE WANT AND HOW WE WANT  TO DO THAT OK OKAY, I JUST  WANT  >> MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THERE'S  2 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT  THEY'RE DOING HERE OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE'RE MOVING  ON TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS  AND DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER  >> AND THANK YOU BEEN THINKING  ABOUT THIS EVER SINCE THE LAST  MEETING. THERE ARE CERTAIN  QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS GOING  TO WHAT MCDOWELL STATED IN THE  LAST MEETING THAT I BELIEVE  SHE SAID THAT THIS WAS ENACTED  IN 2017 IS THAT CORRECT.  >> TOOK EFFECT IN 2018 AT THAT  ELECTION. OKAY. BACK IT SAID  YOU KNOW. IF IT WOULD HAVE  BEEN CORRECTED TO THE CORRECT.  NUMBER WHAT ABOUT EXTREMELY  HIGH. COST YOU KNOW AND AND  ADJUSTMENT BUT MY QUESTION WAS  IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS.  WELL I DIDN'T HAVE THE ROVER  AMATEUR SET AND FOULED THE  SCHEDULE. AND YOU WANT TO BE  CAUTIOUS IN THE BEGINNING WHY  WEREN'T THERE PROVISIONS PUT  ALONG THE WAY LIKE HAVING  SMALL INCREASES UP TO THE  POINT OF GETTING IT CORRECTED  THE SCHEDULE THAT EVERYBODY  ELSE IT'S NOT FOR YOU ON OK GO  AHEAD.  >> YOU DON'T WANT YEAH WE DID  HAVE SMALL INCREMENTAL  INCREASES BASED ON THE  POPULATION. WE NEVER CHANGE  THE BASIC IT WAS ONLY DONE BY  POPULATION FIGURING THAT AS  THE POPULATION INCREASES. SO  WILL THE COMMISSION SALARY.  THERE WAS WHEN THE POPULATION  HIT THE 100,000 MARK. THEN  THAT BASED CHANGE WOULD CHANGE  AGAIN BUT NOT TO THE SAME  AMOUNT THAT WAS OUTLINED IN  THE STATE REPORT THAT WE USED  BACK IN 2018. BUT INCREASE TO  REFLECT THAT CHANGE IN THE  POPULATION TO THAT 100,000  MARK. AND WOOD CONTINUE WITH  THOSE THE POPULATION  INCREMENTAL INCREASE.  >> CORRECT BUT IT IF I'M  CORRECT AT THAT POPULATION  THAT WOULD ONLY GOT AT THE  100,000. IT WOULD HAVE GONE UP  TO 8687 ACCORDING YOUR  CALCULATIONS WHEN IT SHOULD  HAVE THAT WELL ACCORDING TO  WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS A  SLIGHT RIGHT SHOULD BE  >> WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME WERE  JUST FINE AND DECIDED TO GO TO  7500.  >> BUT IT'S STILL NOT MAKING  THIS. LOOK OR ACT AS TO  EVERYBODY ELSE OUT THERE IN  THE THAT'S WHEN I ASKED WHEN I  WAS IN A ONE-ON-ONE IF WE'VE  BEGUN TO 75 FOR THEM WE NOW  FOLLOWING THE PROPER SCHEDULE  AS EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING  FORWARD AND THROUGH LEGAL AND  CITY MANAGER WAS LIKE NO IT  WOULD STAY THAT 7500 UNTIL  NEXT POPULATION SO WE'RE WE'RE  STILL KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE  FIRST SET SO WE WE EITHER NEED  TO CORRECTED FUTURE  COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE BUT 6  '07 YEARS. EVERY PERSON THAT  THIS DIOCESE HAS BEEN TAKEN  ADVANTAGE OF BECAUSE FORMULA  WAS NOT FALL AND I'M EVERYBODY  KNOWS JOB FOR THEIR OWN  REASONS WHEN COMMUNITIES ARE  DOING IT. ACCORDING TO  GENERAL. WHY SHOULD FOLLOW  THAT SCHEDULE CHANGE THE  PROCESS WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWING  LIKE THE CITY MANAGER AND  SUGGESTED BEFORE. YOU KNOW  MAYBE 75% OF WHAT THE COUNTY  COMMISSIONERS DO I DON'T AGREE  WITH THAT FORMULA BECAUSE IT  SAID THAT WE ONLY DO 75% OF  THE JOB THAT THE COUNTY  COMMISSIONERS THEY WERE DOING  THE JOB THAT THEY'RE DOING  WE'RE GOING TO MEETINGS WERE  GOING OUT OF TOWN WERE GOING  OUT OF STATE. WE MISS YOU  MEANING YOU ARE DOING A  ♪ YOU KNOW PROVENANCE YOU KNOW.  SO WHY SHOULD WE AS THE SAME  ♪ CATEGORY AS EVERYBODY ELSE SO  BY GOING TO THE 7500. WE CAN  GO 700 YEAR MAKE SURE THAT WE  HAVE THE SCHEDULE OF THE 9,000  NEXT YEAR OR JUST DOING JOE  AND DO THE 9,000 APOLLO  SCHEDULE PROBABLY GOING  FORWARD. SO THIS IS WHERE WE  NEED TO DISCUSS LOOK AT IT AND  IT'S THE OF ORBIT. ANYTHING BY  JUST MOVING IT UP A LITTLE  BIT. WE'RE GOING TO FALL AS  EVERYBODY DOES WHAT SCHEDULE.  SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT OUT THERE  AND ABOUT HERE WITH THE OTHER  COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALL RIGHT,  THANK COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  YEAH, AND.  >> NOBODY ELSE IS FOLLOWING  THE SCHEDULE. THAT'S TRUE  EXCUSE ME THAT. IF I MAY I'M  GOING TO PASS THIS OUT TO  DINNER.  >> SO DURING THE CONVERSATION  ON SEPTEMBER 10TH I HEARD THAT  THERE WERE 2 PRIMARY PURPOSE  IS TO INCREASE THE SALARY.  FIRST WAS TO BRING YOUNGER  CANDIDATES. I WANT TO REMIND  YOU THAT THE COUNTY  COMMISSIONERS MAKE A $105,000  A YEAR AND THEIR AVERAGE AGE  IS ABOUT 55. WE ALSO HAVE TO  AT LEAST 2 NORTH PORT  CANDIDATES THAT ARE RUNNING  NOW THAT ARE AROUND 40 YEARS  OLD OR YOUNGER. SECOND THE  INCREASE IN SALARY AND I HEARD  FROM THAT CONVERSATION WILL  GARNER MORE CANDIDATES. AGAIN  GOING BACK TO THE COUNTY WHO  MAKES A $105,000 A YEAR.  COMMISSIONER CUT SINGER HAD  COMMENTS. WHEN RAN FOR  REELECTION THIS YEAR. THERE  ARE NO GUARANTEES A SALARY  INCREASE WILL BRING YOUNGER OR  EVEN MORE CANDIDATES. IF  SOMEONE TRULY WANTS TO BE A  COMMISSIONER THEY'RE GOING TO  RUN. AFTER EVERY PLAY THE TAPE  FROM OUR DISCUSSION I REALIZE  THAT WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION  WITHOUT ANY FACTS. OR  INFORMATION PROVIDED TO US IN  THE BACKUP MATERIALS. WE MUST  MAKE A DECISION BASED ON FACTS  AND SINCE THERE WERE NO FACTS  PRESENTED. I WAS LEFT TO RELY  ON MY OWN RESEARCH WHICH I DID  DILIGENTLY IN THESE PAST  COUPLE OF WEEKS. I'VE SHARED  WITH YOU. AND I'M ALSO ASKING  THE CITY BACKUP MATERIALS. AND  MY RESEARCH MAY HAVE MINOR  FLAWS BECAUSE OF THE SHIFT  FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR 20  ANOTHER AND GOOGLE POPULATIONS  ARE NOT NEARLY AS ACCURATE AS  BIEBER BUT IT'S BETTER THAN  NOTHING. I DID THIS RESEARCH  BECAUSE I WANT TO PROVE. THAT  OUR SALARY INCREASE WAS  WARRANTED OR WAS NOT WARRANTED  AND NOT BASED ON SPECULATION.  DURING DISCUSSION A COUPLE  WEEKS AGO I HEARD THAT THE  NEED FOR NORTH PORT IS TO BE  COMPARABLE TO OUR PEERS. I  HEARD THAT REPEATEDLY WHO  EXACTLY ARE PEERS. WHAT IS THE  BENCHMARK WE'RE GOING TO USE  FOR OUR PEERS. MY RESEARCH  SHOWS LONGBOAT KEY RECEIVE 0  COMPENSATION. VENICE RECEIVED  $21,108. THE CITY OF VENICE  RECEIVES APPROXIMATELY THE  SAME AS US. BUT THEIR FORMULA  THAT THEY USE FROM THE STATE  DOES HAVE A STIPULATION TO  WHAT GROUP THEY WILL USE. AND  IT'S IN THEIR CHARTER. WHICH  PAIR CITY DO YOU WANT TO DO WE  AVERAGE THEM TOGETHER. AND  THAT WOULD BE ABOUT $26,994.  AND BY THE WAY BESIDES THE  CITY OF SARASOTA WHICH HAS IT  IN THEIR CHARTER. THE CITY OF  VENICE HAS IN THEIR CHARTER  THAT THEY WILL BE PAID 20% OF  THEIR COMMISSION SALARY. AND  THE CITY OF VENICE. HAS CHART,  I'M SORRY THAT WAS THE CITY OF  VENICE AND THE CITY OF  SARASOTA I ALREADY EXPLAINED  WHAT WAS IN THEIR CHARTER. WE  DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CHARTER  EXCEPT THAT WE WILL DO IT BY  ORDINANCE WHICH IS WHY WE'RE  HERE MAYBE PURE CITIES ARE  SURROUNDING AREA, THE CITY  ARCADIA $33,900. THE CITY OF  PUNTA GORDA 18,367 WHICH DOES  HAVE IT IN THEIR CHARTER AT  20% OF THEIR COUNTY  COMPENSATION. THE CITY  BRIGHTON 10 HAS A 66,553  VALOR. A SALARY. THE ONLY CITY  THAT I COULD FIND THAT HAD THE  CLOSEST POPULATION IN PORT AND  GROWING AT A SIMILAR PACE IS  THE CITY OF FORT MYERS AND  THEN MAKE $32,630 A YEAR.  MAYBE OUR PRO OUR. HERE'S  CITIES ARE THE PRE PLATTED  COMMUNITIES. SO I CHECKED ON  THAT TOO. PORT PORT ST. LUCIE  MAKE $65,425 WITH THE CAR THE  CITY OF CAPE CORAL MAKE  $60,400 A YEAR. THEY ALSO HAVE  A MUCH LARGER POPULATION AND  THEIR BUDGETS ARE FAR GREATER  THAN OURS. PORT LUCIE HAS  230,000 PEOPLE WITH THE  $700,000 BUDGET CAPE CORAL HAS  OVER 216,000 RESIDENTS WITH  1 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. YES  BILLION. TO DO COMPARISON.  PORT ST. LUCIE AVERAGES ABOUT  $0.23 PER RESIDENT. CAPE CORAL  AVERAGES ABOUT $0.28 PER  RESIDENT AND NORTH PORT  AVERAGES USING THE EXISTING  FORMULA. BEFORE ANY CHANGES OF  ABOUT $0.46 PER RESIDENT. SO  THEN HEARD ABOUT THE COUNTY.  THEY MAKE OVER A $105,000.  THAT'S ABOUT $0.23 PER  RESIDENT. IT'S WE THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT WANTS TO BE LIKE  THE COUNTY. THEN WE WOULD NEED  TO REDUCE OUR SALARY TO  $21,251 A YEAR. OCTOBER 1ST.  THE COMMISSION WILL BE  RECEIVING JUST SHY. A $44,000  A YEAR IN SALARY. THAT'S  ALMOST A $2000 INCREASE FROM  LAST YEAR'S FISCAL YEAR  INCREASE AND THAT'S WITHOUT  CHANGING THE FORMULA OR ANY  CHANGES IN THIS RESOLUTION I  MEAN IN THIS ORDINANCE SO I  ASK AGAIN WHO'S OUR PEERS. MY  RESEARCH SHOWS THAT WE ARE  FARING VERY WELL USING THE  FORMULA THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE  SINCE 2018. WE MUST MAKE  DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS. AND  THE FACTS HAVE SHOWN BASED ON  MY RESEARCH THAT WE ARE PAID  MORE THAT A LOT OF OUR PETERS.  INCREASE IN OUR SATURDAY BY  27% EVEN GOING UP TO 46% IS  UNHEARD AND IT SENDS THE WRONG  MESSAGE TO OUR STAFF. OUR  CITIZENS AND OUR VOTERS. I  YIELD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER  >> YEAH EUROPE NEXT MAYOR, BUT  WHEN NOT YOU MENTION  CANDIDATES AND EVERYTHING LIKE  THAT. LET'S LET'S ALSO  REMEMBER THAT CANDIDATES HAD  TO QUALIFY IN JUNE AND THIS  THING HASN'T EVEN UNTIL JUST  SEE HOW YOU KNOW 2 WEEKS AGO.  SO THIS WASN'T EVEN ON THE  PLAYING FIELD FOR ANYBODY TO  EVEN CONSIDER OR THINK ABOUT  BACK IN AND THERE IS NO  GUARANTEE OF GETTING YOUNGER  CANDIDATES. THERE'S NO  GUARANTEE OF GETTING BETTER  CANDIDATES. BUT I CAN PRETTY  MUCH GUARANTEE YOU MAY GET GET  MORE CANDIDATES THAT ARE  INTERESTED. YOU SAY NO. I'D  SAY SO THAT'S A STAND-UP.  EVERYONE'S PERCEPTION. IF  YOU'VE GOT THE PERFECT YOU'LL  GET THE PROPER PEOPLE. YOU  TALKED ABOUT THE COUNTY AND  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT MAKING A  $105,000 YOU'VE GOT  PROFESSIONALS ON THAT BOARD  YOU'VE HAD BUT LAWYERS YOU'VE  TERMS ON THAT BOARD EDUCATED  INDIVIDUALS WILLING TO TAKE  THAT JOB BECAUSE THE PAY WAS  CORRECT. SO. I YIELD TO YOU  MAYOR.  >> OKAY, THANK YOU. YEAH, I  JUST YOU KNOW WANTED  >> BUT MY $0.2 AND I KNOW I'VE  HEARD.  >> IF YOU LOVE WHAT YOU DO DO  THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO SERVE  PEOPLE SHOULDN'T COMPENSATED  ADEQUATELY AND AS A PUBLIC  SCHOOL TEACHER FOR 36 YEARS I  HEARD THAT VERY OFTEN, BUT IT  JUST BECAUSE YOU TO LOVE WHAT  YOU DO. AGAIN SHOULD SHOULD  MEAN THAT YOU'RE NOT  COMPENSATED FOR AND I I'M NOT  COMPARING PORT ANY PLACE ELSE  BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER  PLACE LIKE NORTH PORT WE HAVE  SUCH A UNIQUE SITUATION HERE  ALWAYS HAVE. AND WHAT WE'RE  WE'RE HANDLING WHAT WE'RE  DEALING WITH WHEN THINK ABOUT  THE CITY OF VENICE, A CITY OF  WANT TO GO TO THE CITY OF  SARASOTA. VENICE AND SARASOTA  THERE ARE OVER A 100 YEARS OLD  THOSE CITIES THEY WERE PLANTED  THERE CONTAINED AND I PUT  THESE FIGURES UP BEFORE. YOU  KNOW NORTH PORT HAS A 104  SQUARE MILES OF LAND AND NOW  MOST OF IT IS STILL ROCKETS  UNDEVELOPED AND WE'RE DEALING  WITH. A TURNING OF ALL TIME.  WHEREAS SARASOTA HAS 24  SQUARE. MILES THEN AS HAS ALL  RIGHT SO THAT THERE'S JUST NO  COMPARISON THOSE THOSE OTHER  PLACES. I THINK THAT AGAIN THE  THE COUNTY COMMISSION USES THE  STATE STATUTE CHART.  >> AND THAT IS SOMETHING  THAT'S LEGIT.  >> I WENT BACK AND FOUND OLD  ARTICLE FROM 2018 WHEN  COMMISSIONERS. LAST TALKED  ABOUT RAISING THE SALARY  BECAUSE IN 2006 IT WAS 12,000.  AND THAT WENT UP TO 24 THAT  WAS A 100% INCREASE AND I DO  WE CALL THAT BEING A A BIG OF  PEOPLE OUT THERE SCREAMING  ABOUT THAT YET THAT WAS A 100%  INCREASE. AND THEN WHEN IT WAS  DECIDED AND 20. 19 TO USE TO  HAVE A AN INCRESE IT ALSO  DECIDED TO USE THAT SARASOTA  COUNTY FORMULA SO THEY ALREADY  TALKED ABOUT THAT BACK THEN  BUT IT WAS NEVER ACTED ON  COMMISSIONER EMRICH. SAID WAS  IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T  FOLLOWED THROUGH THIS  COMMISSION IS HAS SHOWN ME  THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT  HESITANT TO SHY AWAY FROM  AGAIN. THOSE DIFFICULT  DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE  MADE. SO THAT SOMEBODY ELSE  DOESN'T DOESN'T HAVE TO DO  WITH IT AND THIS WHAT WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT IS FOR FUTURE  CANDIDATES. THIS WON'T TAKE  EFFECT TILL AFTER THE ELECTION  AND IF THERE'S DIFFERENT  PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE THEY'RE  THE ONES ARE GOING TO BENEFIT  FROM THIS AND IT SHOULD.  BECAUSE AGAIN I'M IT'S  SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE  BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO AND  IT AND IT WASN'T. AND I KNOW  WE BRING LONGBOAT KEY I DON'T  EVEN CONSIDER THEM TO LONGBOAT  KEY. YEAH DON'T TAKE A SALARY,  BUT WHAT ARE THEY REALLY  DEALING WITH AS IT COMES CLOSE  TO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH  HERE. IN FACT THE LAST TIME WE  WENT TO ONE OF THOSE JOINT  SCHOOL. MORE TO THEY SAID  BAILEY SENT 30 STUDENTS TO THE  THIS IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM 30  STUDENTS THAT'S IT. WE HAVE A  YOUNG POPULATION HERE AND ALL  THE PROBLEMS THAT COME ALL NEW  PEOPLE MOVING HERE ALL THE  TIME AND THAT'S A LOT TO  HANDLE AND NOT TO TO KEEP AND  A LOT TO DEAL WITH US NEW  ORDINANCES, NEW THINGS WE HAVE  TO KEEP PUTTING IN PLACE  BECAUSE OF THAT THAT'S TO ME  THAT JUSTIFIES RAISING THE  SALARY ADOPTING. SOME OF  SCHEDULE FOR A FUTURE  COMMISSION SO THEY NEVER HAVE  TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN THAT  IT'S GOING TO BE THERE AND  IT'S DONE AND DISCUSSIONS ON  THE DAY AS IN THE FUTURE YEARS  CAN BE ABOUT OTHER THINGS AND  THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO  SAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER  LANGDON HAS SPOKE WILL THANK  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. AND OF  NOWHERE.  >> THANK YOU MADAM I'M NOT  GOING ARGUE THE WORKLOAD I'VE  HAD SO MANY CONVERSATIONS OVER  THE YEARS WITH RESIDENCE. SO A  FULL TIME JOB AS PART-TIME  JOB. I'LL SIMPLY SAY I I I  AGREE WITH THE MAYOR IT'S VERY  HARD TO FIND A REFERENCE POINT  FOR THE CITY BECAUSE OF OUR  SIZE AND OUR RAPID GROWTH IN  OUR CHALLENGES. BUT SIMPLY SAY  WHEN WHEN PEOPLE SEE US UP  HERE ON THE DAIS THAT'S REALLY  THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG WE  SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH  STAFF. REVIEWING THE AGENDA WE  SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON OUR OWN  PREPARING. FOR THESE MEETINGS  BUT IN ADDITION WE ALL HAVE  ASSIGNMENTS WHERE WE REPRESENT  THE CITY AT OTHER BOARDS AND  AT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. EACH  OF THOSE I MEAN I'M ON THE  METROPOLITAN PLANNING  ORGANIZATION I'M ON TEAM COURT  WE HAVE BOARD MEETINGS AND  THEY HAVE PREPARATION. AND AND  THAT IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT PART  OF OUR JOB. AND ANOTHER THING  TO CONSIDER IS THAT PREVIOUS  COMMISSIONS HAVE SET A REALLY  HIGH BAR FOR ALL OF US IN  TERMS OF OUR LEVEL OF  COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND I  KNOW THAT EVERY SINGLE  COMMISSIONER UP HERE GOES TO  AS MANY CITY EVENTS AND AS  MANY COMMUNITY EVENTS AS WE  POSSIBLY SO WHAT I'VE LEARNED  OVER THE PAST 4 YEARS I  STARTED THIS JOB THINKING IT  WAS A PART-TIME JOB DONE. I  HAVE REALIZED NO IT'S IT'S  REALLY FULL-TIME JOB. BUT WHAT  AND WHEN I CAME ON IT  CERTAINLY WASN'T FOR THE  MONEY. WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR  NOTHING NO WAY HAHA THE WORK  IS TOO HARD IT'S TOO MUCH  WORK. PEOPLE IN THESE  POSITIONS TO DESERVE TO GET  COMPENSATED FAIRLY. AND IT IS  NOT UNCOMMON FOR US TO HAVE 3,  4, SIDE JUDICIAL. NOW ON  AGENDA THAT'S VERY UNIQUE TO  THIS CITY. BUT WHAT REALLY GOT  ME TO CONSIDER THIS WAS THE  CAR AND ELECTION CYCLE. WE  HAVE 3 SEATS OP. ONLY ONE SEED  HAD A PRIMARY BECAUSE THEY  WERE 3 PEOPLE RUNNING. AND THE  RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY DESERVE  A PRIMARY FOR EVERY POSITION.  AND OBVIOUSLY THE GENERAL  ELECTION HAVING THAT WAS 2  ELECTIONS GIVES THE RESIDENTS  OF THIS CITY, A REALLY VIABLE  OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW  WHO'S RUNNING. AND YET IN ONLY  ONE OUT OF 3. DID WE HAVE A  PRIMARY AND WITH ALL DUE  RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER ARMOR  AND I KNOW HE WAS TICKLED PINK  TO RUN UNOPPOSED. THAT DOES  NOT DO OUR SYSTEM OF  GOVERNMENT A DEMOCRACY. AND  SO. BRINGING THE SALARY UP TO  A REASONABLE LEVEL. I AGREE  WITH COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES.  >> THAT WE WILL GET MORE ARE  BETTER OR HUMAN OR ALMOST  ACTION A BALL.  >> PEOPLE HERE BUT AT LEAST IT  OPENS THE DOOR FOR MORE PEOPLE  TO CONSIDER RUNNING. NOT  EVERYONE. IS IN A POSITION TO  WORK FULL-TIME FOR $40,000 A  YEAR. EVERYONE JUST IS NOT IN  A POSITION TO DO THAT. AND AND  WHEN I TALK ABOUT ATTRACTING.  YOUNGER COMMISSIONER TALKING  IN THE 50'S AND 60'S I  >> I THERE.  >> SO.  >> IT'S REALLY A BUNCH OF  THINGS AND. LET'S ADJUST IT.  YOU KNOW WHAT THE INCREASE I  THINK WE'RE IN THE REALM OF IF  YOU HAVE SOMEONE. AND I'LL  TALK TO MYSELF ABOUT THIS IN  CERTAIN INDUSTRIES. ONE SHOE  HIT IN YOUR 50'S. I DON'T CARE  HOW TALENTED YOU ARE AND HOW  GREAT YOUR PERFORMANCE HAS  BEEN YOU START GETTING  MARGINALIZED IN YOUR CAREER,  I'M OUT OF HIGH TECH I  EXPERIENCED THAT MYSELF.  >> SO IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE MAY  BE RETIRING EARLY FEELING  MARGIN MARGINALIZED IN THEIR  THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE 50 OR  60,000 COULD ATTRACT PEOPLE  WITH DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND  DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES TO SERVE  IN THIS PLAY. NOW ONE OF THE  OTHER THINGS I'VE HEARD IS  WELL, YOU KNOW WILL ATTRACT  PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST IN IT FOR  THE MONEY. LET ME TELL YA I  >> SAY WELL WE KNOW THROUGH  YOU  >> HOW ARE CRITICIZED IN THE  PUBLIC ARENA, HOW OUR  CHARACTERS AND MALIGNED AND  THE COUNTY ARE RE NOT I CAN  GUARANTEE YOU $50,000 IS NOT  GOING TO MOTIVATE ANYONE WHO  DOESN'T HAVE A PASSION FOR  THEIR CITY.  >> TO SERVE ITS JUST THEY  WON'T DO.  >> AND YOU KNOW IN 2 YEARS.  ANOTHER ELECTION COMMISSION WE  CAN CHANGE AT ANY TIME TO ANY  FORMULA WE WANT TO USE.  >> LET'S RIGHT SIZE THIS. SEE  HOW IT GOES OVER THE NEXT  COUPLE OF ELECTION CYCLES.  >> WE CAN ADJUST IT ANY OTHER  WAY WE WE AT THE END OF. AND  NEXT COUPLE YEARS SO. THAT'S  ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT  THAT'S A GOOD SAY THOUGH THANK  YOU COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YES WE HAVE TO ATTEND  COMMITTEE MEETINGS, YES WE  HAVE MEETINGS WITH STAFF. YES  WE HAD MEETINGS FOR CITIZENS.  WE HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS  WE ATTEND AS OFTEN AS WE CAN.  YES WE MAKE HARD DECISIONS  AND. DUKE WAS MATTERS. THAT'S  WHAT EVERY SINGLE COMMISSION  ACROSS THE STATE.  >> AT THE LOCAL LEVEL DOES  EVERYWHERE THE 411 CITIES.  THEY ALL DOING THE SAME THING.  I KNOW IT'S FOR BECAUSE I TALK  WITH THEM AT THE FLC  CONFERENCE I TALK WITH THEM.  OUTSIDE OF THOSE FLC  CONFERENCE.  >> SO WE ARE NOT DOING  ANYTHING UNIQUE. HERE IN THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT THAT THEY  AREN'T DOING ELSEWHERE. BUT AS  I SHOWED YOU WE'RE GETTING  PAID FAR MORE AND WHAT OTHER  CITIES WHO DO EXACT SAME THING  GET SO I WILL LEAVE IT WITH  THIS ONE FINAL QUESTION.  IF YOU ALL THANK YOU YOUR  DESERVING. A 27% INCREASE  BECAUSE THAT'S ESSENTIALLY  WHAT IT IS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW  WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE DOING  MORE. TO WARRANT THAT  INCREASE. AND IF YOU'RE EVEN  CONSIDERING GOING UP TO A 46%  INCREASE.  >> NOT ONLY AM I GOING TO BE  WONDERING WHAT ARE WE GOING TO  BE DOING MORE BUT I'M SURE  EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN AND  TAXPAYER AND VOTER OUT THERE  IS GOING TO BE WONDERING THE  SAME THING.  >> I THINK YOUR TIMING IS OFF  ON THIS WHOLE WE HAVE  REFERENDUM THAT IS FAR MORE  IMPORTANT THAN THAT THE SALARY  INCREASE THAT YOU GUYS ARE  ONE. COMMISSIONER  >> YEAH JUST JUST A FINAL  CLOSING THOUGHTS AGAIN THAT  ARTICLE THAT I BROUGHT UP WAS  VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE IT  YOU MAN WHO WAS ON THE  COMMISSION BACK THEN BUT EVEN  FORMER COMMISSIONER KARA SOWN  SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT TO OFFER  A A LIVABLE WAGE FOR PEOPLE  AGE 30 8 TO 40 THIS CITY'S  MEDIAN AGE AT THAT TIME THE 40  TO PUT THEIR REGULAR JOB AND  HOLD ARE GOING FOR OFFICE SO  AGAIN THE THOUGHTS WERE OUT  THERE, IT'S JUST THAT IT  WASN'T CARRIED CARRIED THROUGH  FOR THAT. SO COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YOU IT SAID YOU ASKED  STAFF TO LOOK WHAT WAS THE  MEDIAN INCOME IN NORTH BUT  SOME MAY BE THE COMMISSION  SALARIES SHOULD BE THE MEDIAN.  >> AND COUNT SO I ASKED WHAT  THAT WAS AND IT'S AROUND  70,000 ICE TO AN INCUMBENT  IN NORTH PORT ASKING OVER  70,000 NOW. THAT'S THAT WAS  SOMETHING SUGGEST THAT BACK  THEN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS  BACK THEN WE WERE TO FOLLOW  THAT SAME TRAIN OF THOUGHT  TODAY THAT THE REALLY BIG BIG  JUMP RIGHT THERE.  >> DID YOU HAVE SOME YES TO  WRAP MY NAME AND YES TO AN  ARTICLE THAT WAS WRITTEN IN  2018 WAS WRITTEN IN 2018 YES,  WE WENT TO A FORMULA. BUT IT'S  NOT THE SAME FORMULA THAT THE  COUNTY USES ITS THE FORMULA  THAT THE STATEMENT OUT THAT  REQUIRES THE COUNTY TO USE IT  AND BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE NOT  COUNTY THAT IS WHY WE CHANGE  THE BASE RATE TO BE MORE  REFLECTIVE OF A MUNICIPALITY.  WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE  MEETING MEETING HOME. IT IS  BECAUSE I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF  A POPULATION BASE FOR THE LAW.  I WAS MORE IN FAVOR OF DOING  SOME KIND OF FORMULA BASED ON  MEDIAN BUT BECAUSE STAFF AT  THE TIME TOLD YOU CAN GO TO  STAFF AT THE TIME SAID THERE  WAS NO RELIABLE SOURCE OF THE  MEDIAN INCOMES JUST NORTH PORT  BECAUSE IT DOES THE ENTIRE AND  THEN SAY AREA. SO THAT'S WHY  THEY SUGGESTED THAT WE GO WITH  THE POPULATION THING BECAUSE  BIEBER IS WIDELY ACCEPTED  STATEWIDE AS CRINGE A LITTLE  TIME AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT  ESTABLISH SPECIAL FOR JUST THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT ONLY BE  MSA. SO I APPRECIATE YOU  WANTING TO ME OUT A NEWSPAPER  BUT AS WE ALL KNOW NEWSPAPERS  DO PRINT ALTHOUGH IT YOU HAVE  TO GO BACK TO THE 9 IT A GO  BACK TO ACTUAL TAPE RIGHT IT  WAS JUST AN INTERESTING IDEA  SOMETHING IN THERE WITH LOT  ABOUT.  >> OKAY SO. WE'RE ONLY. OKAY  TO HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> BELL SO SOME OF OUR PORTS.  I WAS AROUND THAT.  >> ARE YOU TEAM. BEFORE THEM.  WAS ACTUALLY ENOUGH PUT THIS  FORMERLY INTO CHARTER.  PAPERWORK. I WAS GIVEN SHOWS I  WAS AGAINST IT WEAKENS TO  KNOW. IT'S A CONFLICT OF  INTEREST. VOTING ON. WHETHER  OR NOT.  >> WHILE A DEVELOPER.  >> TO BRING IN A DEVELOPMENT  THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE  POPULATION IS GOING TO USE FOR  UTILITIES. OKAY WHEN IT HAS  THE POSSIBILITY RAISING CALL.  I KEEP HEARING THIS WORD JOB.  THE VOTERS. WE WANT ASK THE  BORDERS. ELECT TO TO REPRESENT  THOUGH TO SERVE THE IT'S NOT A  JOB. IT IS NOT A JOB. THERE  FOODIES. THERE'S THE REAL BUT.  I A LOT OF WORK. AND I  APPRECIATE THAT. ARE THERE TO  SERVE. PERSONALLY. I WANT TO  THOSE PEOPLE THAT WOULD DO SO  NOT LIKE. OKAY, THERE ARE  PEOPLE WHO WOULD DO SUCH A  THING. I WAS AGAINST FORMULA  BASED. BASED ON THE POPULATION  THEN AND AGAINST IT NOW IT'S  BUSH'S THAT YOU WANT JUST SOME  OF THE REPORTERS. RAYS, YOU  KNOW, USED TO WE'RE  COMPENSATION WAS YOU WELL I'M  JUST AGAINST THIS WHOLE WEEK.  >> MEANS CANDIDATES WERE  BROUGHT UP SNUFF AND THAT  DISTRICT 2 CITY OF PORT.  >> LAST TIME I WAS A TIME TO  PASS AN APPROACH A  CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT THE  SECURE CONTINUE TALKING AGREE  TO IT. IT DOESN'T WORK WITH  THEM, SO LET ME TRY THE OTHER  WHAT. YOU GUYS ARE ALL THE  COSTS. OF GETTING CITY TO  CHANGE ITS ENTIRE FINANCIAL  IDENTITY. YOU ARE THANKING THE  CITIZENS TOTAL WHILE YOUTUBE  ALL MODEL AND YOUR ANSWER IS  FROM 7 POINT FAVORITES. YOU  HAVE TO HEAR THAT SOUNDS. YOU  HAVE TO. WAITING. FOR THIS.  WELL AROUND THEM TO GET UP  AGAINST THE VOTES ARE GOING  WANT ALSO PROBABLY STEAMROLL  THIS ELECTION. I DIDN'T DO  THAT. BECAUSE I THERE WAS A  CITY.  >> WE WERE GOING TO SHOW THAT  WE COULD ACTUALLY BE.  FINANCIALLY CONSERVATIVE. AND  INSTEAD IN THE MIDDLE YOU'RE  LITERALLY BEEN CITIZENS FOR  THIS. YOU'RE ALL SET SIGN  OVERVIEW IS THAT YOU THIS THAT  LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATION TO  THAT. AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE  THAT YOU TELL CITIZENS THAT WE  DEFINITELY CAN'T OUT. I DIDN'T  KNOW THAT THIS JOB THEY DID I  WHEN I PUT IN MY PAPERWORK  EITHER EXPLAIN THAT TO I WAS  YOUNGER CANDIDATE YOU KEEP  TELLING ME YOU I'M TELLING YOU  THIS PAY INCREASE HAS NOTHING  TO DO WITH GETTING ME TO DO  THIS. ALSO IF YOU'RE GOING TO  FOLLOW THIS FORMULA I BELIEVE  WHEN WE GET TO A 100,000. YOUR  GUYS PAGES 400 AND CHANGE. AGO  LIKE NOT GRANDER 12 GRAND OR  SOMETHING BUT WHAT ARE THE  NUMBERS. GOING JUST KEEP  INCREASING AND INCREASING  INDUSTRIES. I KEEP HEARING  THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE  PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE ON THE  BOARD. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  NO PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE ON THE  BOARD YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST  STAFF TO EVERYTHING YOU GUYS  ARE THE LAST LONG. TO HELP  CITIZENS PROTECT OUR ROADS. IT  SENT US A TEXT BOOK FOR THE  TEACHER ON THE BOURSE. I  REMEMBER READING I ACTUALLY  WHAT THAT AND I ASKED MY  SISTER COULD SAVE OR BUT SHE  STARTED WHAT IT'S A MINUTE.  CITY COMMISSION IS THE LAST  LINE OF DEFENSE FOR ITS  CITIZENS. IF YOU GUYS ARE  GOING OUT TO GET PROFESSIONALS  ON THE SPORT. I MEAN IT'S JUST  UNBELIEVABLE. THERE'S AND  STOP. YOU GUYS LAST LINE OF  DEFENSE. COOLEY'S PAY  ATTENTION TO IT SOUNDS  CITIZENS. BE FINANCIALLY  CONSERVATIVE. OKAY.  >> YOU  >> ALL RIGHT BOTH IN THIS  PORTION OF PUBLIC LOOKING FOR  A MOTION. WE'RE TO IT. MAKE A  MOTION OKAY.  >> MAKE A MOTION RE SEND  ORDINANCE NUMBER WHAT THE HECK  SHE NUMBER WAS NUMBER 2, 0, 2,  4 DASH 3, 9 AND CONTINUE.  USING THE FORMULA. ESTABLISHED  IN 2018.  >> OKAY MOTION BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TO RE SEND ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024.  >> 9 AND CONTINUE USING  >> A SCHEDULE. THE FORMULA  THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2020  1920 1820 18.  >> ALL RIGHT, I'M NOT GETTING  A SECOND SO THAT MOTION FAILS  SOME LOOKING FOR ANOTHER  MOTION.  >> HEAD.  >> MOVE TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2020 FOR 39 THE SECOND  READING ON OCTOBER 8 2024 WITH  THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. IN 2025  FALL OF FORMULA AS PRESENTED  BY THE STATE.  >> OK SO WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY COMMISSIONER ENBRIDGE TO  CONTINUE ORDINANCE NUMBER  2024, 39 WITH THE CHANGE TO  INCLUDE. ABLE HAS ESTABLISHED  BY STATE. SO. AND IF THEY GET  THAT. ALL RIGHT THAT'S MADE BY  COMMISSIONER AND MUCH TO I  HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.  THANK YOU WE HAVE A SECOND BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. GOT THAT  MOTION BACK. YES CITY PARK.  >> TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 DASH 39. TONIGHT A  SECOND READING OCTOBER 8 2024  AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE AND 2025  FOLLOW THE FORMULA HAS  PRESENTED BY THE STATE.  >> I THOUGHT YOU YOU SET,  THANK YOU. LIKE TO SPEAK TO  THEM OH SURE YEAH. SO ARE YOU  SAYING THIS WILL NOT TAKE  EFFECT UNTIL 2025. YOU SAID  2025. WE'RE IN 2024.  >> AND NUTS. THAT'S GOING  FORWARD STATES THAT WE'RE  BRINGING THE NUMBER TO 7500.  IN 2025, I'M SUGGESTING WE  FOLLOW THE FORMULA AS IT IS  PRESENTED BY THE STATE. THAT  MEANS WE ARE TAKING A 2 STEP  PROCESS.  >> TO CREATE CORRECT THIS OKAY  THAT'S NOT WHAT I HEARD I  DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHY I'M  ASKING A WHILE TRYING TO  EXPLAIN TO YOU BEST I CAN YOUR  MOTION IS NOT CLEAR BECAUSE  YOU SAID AS AMENDED SO IT'S  STRIKING. SO SAID AS AMENDED I  SAID WITH THE FOLLOWING  CHANGES BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN  THE ORDINANCE STATE 7500.  >> WITHOUT CHANGE. GOING  FORWARD.  >> VERY CONFUSED ANYTHING YOU  CHANGE IN THAT AND NOT  ORDINANCE IS AN AMENDMENT TO  EXEMPT ENSURE SAYS FOLLOWING  CHANGES.  >> YEAH, MADE IT BACK  COMMISSIONER TO CONTINUE  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 39  TO SECOND READING ON 10/8/2024  AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE  FOLLOWING CHANGES IN 2025 ALL  THE FORMULA HAS PRESENTED BY  THE STATE.  >> AND WE HAD EXPECTED.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON FOR  THAT.  >> JUST TO BE CLEAR. NOW IT  WILL STAY 7500. AND THEN NEXT  YEAR NEXT FISCAL YEAR WHICH IS  FISCAL YEAR 26. IT WILL GO TO  9,000. FISCAL YEAR 2025.  THAT'S 26. THE TIME THIS TAKES  EFFECT WE WILL BE IN FISCAL  YEAR 20 THIS IS WHY I'M  CONFUSED AND I UNDERSTAND WHY  >> SO JUST GO YOU'RE 25.  >> IS THE ELECTION HAPPENS. SO  ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT THE  STATE FORMULA TO BE FOLLOWED  FOR FISCAL YEAR, 25 WHICH IS  BRINGING IT TO THE 9,000 BASED  IN FELL OR ARE YOU DOING IN 2  DIFFERENT PARTS.  >> THIS IS WHAT I'M TO  DIFFERENT PARTS. AND WE DON'T  GET THE SECOND SET OF NUMBERS  UNTIL 2025 THAT'S WHAT I'M  GOING OFF UP THOSE BIEBER  NUMBERS ONCE WE GET THOSE IN  2025 THAT WE WILL FALL THE  STATE DEPARTMENT.  >> THAT'S WHAT I JUST STATES  FORMULA NOW SIR. EXCEPT FOR  THE BASE, FOR THE BADGE BUT  WHATEVER THE STATE HAS  SUGGESTED RIGHT NOW THE STATE  SUGGEST 9,000. AND THEREFORE  LIKE CRACKED THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT THAT'S WHAT WE  DISCUSSED. WE HAD A COMPROMISE  BRINGING IT TO 7500. SO WE WE  TOOK IT FROM LESS THAN 6.  HALFWAY JUST 75 ON. SO YOU  TAKE IT HALFWAY NOW YEAR.  >> HALFWAY NOW OKAY THAT'S  HEARING YOUR MOTION. SO I  THINK MAYBE MIGHT NEED TO REDO  YOUR MOTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT  WHAT I'M HEARING.  >> THE  >> I YOU'RE SAYING THAT NATION  BUT IT'S NOT CAPTURED IN THE  MOTION THAT WAY I JUST I PUT  YOUR SIDE AND ON THE HUNT FOR  KILLER ISSUE OF THE MOTION.  >> DO UNDERSTAND WHAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SAYING  REGARDING CLARIFICATION OF THE  YEARS FROM FISCAL YEARS I DO  UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YOUR  MOTION INC YES, RIGHT AS YOU  SIGN TO SOME CHANGES.  >> CITY ATTORNEY GOT ANYTHING  TO PUT IT ON THIS.  >> JUST KEPT IN MINUTE HERE.  >> 75 WATER WOULD BE THIS  FISCAL YEAR THAT WE'RE IN NOW  2024 25 HAS NO CHANGES FIND  THERE. I'M SORRY.  >> THAT COULD BE NO CHANGES  TO. OUR SALARY. OUR  COMPENSATION, HOWEVER,  WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE  UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION RIGHT  SO NOVEMBER, 16 IN THE FISCAL  YEAR 2025.  >> YES, THE SHOE.  >> SO HOW HOW I UNDERSTOOD WAS  THAT IT WOULD GO TO THAT BASE  OF 7500 AFTER THE AUCTION IN  FISCAL YEAR 2025. AND THEN IN  TWENTY-TWENTY SAID X. READ FOR  TO THE STATE'S FORMULA I THINK  IS WHAT YOU SAID.  >> THAT'S WHAT I I SUGGEST  SOME LANGUAGE AND THEN WE CAN  FIGURE OUT THE MECHANIC WE MAY  BE DOING IF YOU KNOW WHAT  COURAGE, I MEAN. THEY CAN'T  WEAR YOUR MOTION WAS AND SO  WE'RE CONTINUING 2024 39 TO  SECOND READING OCTOBER 8TH,  24. BUT TO INCLUDE A CHANGE IN  THE ETHANOL CHEAT WOULD  INCREASE THE BASE OUTLINED. IN  THE STATE COMPENSATION  SCHEDULE COMMENCING IN FISCAL  YEAR 26.  >> THAT WOULD DO AND DO WHAT  YOU WANTED MAKE THE MOTION TO  YOU IF GOT A WE HAVE A SECOND  YOU CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO  HIS MOTION TO SO I WOULD MAKE  A MOTION TO AMEND.  >> COMMISSIONER AND IS MOTION  TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE 2024 39  TO SECOND READING 10/8/2024 TO  INCLUDE A CHANGE IN THE RATE  METHODOLOGY TO INCREASE THE  PACE AS OUTLINED IN STATE  COMPENSATION SCHEDULE  COMMENCING FISCAL YEAR 2026.  >> SECOND THAT AMENDMENT  DISCUSSION.  >> YEAH, THIS SUMMIT THERE  WITH THE GUYS NUMBERS. IT'S  JUST IT WOULD BE BIG JUMP.  >> AND ONE FISCAL YEAR. AND I  THINK THE CONVERSATION WE LAST  MONTH WHEN THIS TOPIC WAS  INTRODUCED WAS TO DO IT IN A 2  STEP TO EASE INTO IT A LITTLE  BIT WHICH WHAT JUST THAT'S  EXACTLY WHAT THIS WOULD DO. WE  WOULD BE CARING THIS.  >> MOTION FORWARD WHICH WOULD  INCREASE IN 2025 IT WOULD TAKE  THE BASE 2 7500 ACADEMY HERE  BUT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. IT  WOULD JUST TOO. STATE  COMPENSATION SCHEDULE GETS  WHAT.  >> SO WHAT STILL TO QUESTION  NOW THIS IT WOULD BECOME  EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER, 6 2024. SO  WHAT WOULD COME. THE AFFECTED  YET TO TAKE PLACE IS THAT WHAT  YOU SAID NOT JUST SOMEHOW I  WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WORKS.  THAT'S WHAT'S IN NEW YORK  THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE  THAT'S WHAT IT IS THAT AND  THAT'S WHAT A CHANGE THAT IS  STILL THE SAME. THE ONLY  CHANGE CASH.  >> WHAT WHAT HAPPENED  SUBSEQUENT TO WHICH WOULD TO  INCLUDE A CHANGE IN THE  ETHANOL G IN THE BASE IN 26.  THAT WOULD BE A 2 STEP  PROCESS.  >> I'M JUST CONFUSED WITH LIKE  IT CONSIDERED TO BE A FISCAL  YEAR. THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS  OCTOBER FIRST YES YEAR ANY  INCREASE TAKES PLACE. IN THE  NEXT SO YES, RIGHT SO IT'S  COMING UP 2425, IS THAT'S A  GOING FLY. THEN THE SECOND  WOULD BE FISCAL 26. IT IS IN  THE I WAS SO THAT BABY FIRST  AT  >> WE CLEAR ON AND I'M THAT  MOTION WAS MADE BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES DO I HAVE THAT AND THAT  WAS SECOND THAT.  >> AND THAT RATHER SO WE'RE  GOING AMENDMENT FIRST WHEN DO  SECOND THAT.  >> OK CLEAR HERE. COMMISSIONER  DOW THING ELSE TO SAY IF  YOU'RE ON THERE. A COUNTY  VOTE. THIS OKAY LET'S VOTE  AMENDMENT CAR. AND THAT PASSES  4 TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL DISSENTING FOR  REASONS STATED. AND LET'S GO  TO VOTING ON AND MOTION AS  AMENDED. THANKS REID THAT ACT  JUST PREPARING IT WILL TO  CONTINUE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 39 2ND READING ON OCTOBER  8 2024 AS AMENDED TO INCLUDE.  >> A CHANGE IN THE RIVER.  RIGHT METHODOLOGY TO INCREASE  THE BASE AS OUTLINED IN THE  STATE COMPENSATION SCHEDULED  TO BE EFFECTIVE FISCAL YEAR  2026. IT'S WHAT YOU GUYS. I  LOOK SO.  >> I WAS YEARS.  AND THAT  PASSES FOR ONE WITH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  DISSENTING REESE'S OR A STATED  DISSENTING BECAUSE THERE IS NO  THERE WAS NO INFORMATION IN  THE BACKUP MATERIALS. EVEN  THOUGH THE CITY MANAGER  PRESENTED ITEM. THE DECISION  ESSENTIALLY WAS MADE WITHOUT  ALL THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE  TO US AND TO THE PUBLIC. AND  RIDICULOUS TO UC'S TO GIVE  YOURSELVES. 27% INCREASE. THIS  YEAR. AND THEN NEXT YEAR. A  47% INCREASE. WELL ANOTHER 27  PERCENT INCREASE AGAIN.  CITIZENS DON'T GET IT. ARE  TAXPAYERS DON'T GET THAT KIND  OF AND JUST BY SITTING OVER  HERE AND YOU HAVE THE MAGIC  WANT TO DO IT DOES NOT MAKE IT  >> OK THANK MOVE ON TO ITEM H  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH. OR  0 I NEED A MOTION TO DIRECT  THE CITY CLERK TO READ THIS BY  TITLE ONLY SO MOVED. THEY HAVE  A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON TO DIRECT THE CITY  CLERK TO READ BY TITLE ONLY  AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR STOKES SO LET'S VOTE ON  THAT.  ♪ ♪ >> IT'S  >> PAST 5 TO 0 CITY CLERK.  >> AND EMERGENCY ORDINANCE OF  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA  DECLARED A STATE OF LOCAL  EMERGENCY CAUSED BY THE THREAT  POSED BY POTENTIAL TROPICAL  CYCLONE 9 GRANTING CITY  MANAGER OR DESIGNEE THE  AUTHORITY TO TAKE ACTIONS IN  ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION 2, 5, 3 DAY  AND SUSPENDING STANDARD  PROCEDURES FOR HE'S FOR THOSE  MATTERS IDENTIFIED FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION 2, 5, 2.3 3,  A FINAL INCLUDING BUT NOT  LIMITED TO THE PROCUREMENT OF  GOODS AND SERVICES THAT  SONSEEAHRAY TO ADDRESS TO  DECLARE AN EMERGENCY PROVIDING  FOR FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR  CONFLICTS PROVIDING FOR  SEVERAL FINDING AN EFFECTIVE  DATE PROVIDING FOR DURATION.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THEY COME INTO THEIR SHE  TIED DOWN TO GIVE US UPDATE  ON. IS IT WILL TURN INTO  HURRICANE HELENE BUT AS YOU  KNOW, YOU KNOW SARASOTA  COUNTY. YOU KNOW THERE'S  AROUND AS THE TECHNICIAN  DECREASE OF EMERGENCY AS  RESULT OF THIS WE ASKED YOU TO  DO THE SAME TONIGHT.  >> SCOTT WRITES FROM FIRE  RESCUE DISTRICT IN SOME YEAH  THIS JUST HELPS FOLLOW SUIT  COVERED CLEARED YESTERDAY  SCHERZER THE CLARITY AND NOW  WE DIDN'T SPEND ALL GETTING  EVERYTHING IN PLACE WHAT'S  COMING MUCH DO YOU GUYS HAVE  SEEN. THE OUTLOOK RIGHT NOW  JUST A BIG STORM. I'M GOING TO  A LOT OF WINS MORE THAN LIKELY  12 TO 18 HOURS OVER 45 MILE AN  HOUR SUSTAINED WINDS. THAT'S A  THE CURRENT MOVING A LITTLE  BIT WESTWARD BUT THIS COMES  ABOUT 400 MILES SO YOU KNOW  THAT WESTWARD SHIFT REALLY. IT  KEEPS US WELL WITHIN THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS SO  FORTUNATELY THIS POINT ARE  TALKING FOR 6 INCHES RAIN  WHICH GREAT, CERTAINLY COULD  BE WORSE. THE STORMS MOVING  RELATIVELY QUICKLY. POCKETS OF  UP TO 10 INCHES. SO WE'LL BE  WATCHING THAT IS GOES THROUGH  WORST BEEN WORKING ON LOWERING  WATER LEVELS REALLY GOOD  SHAPE. THERE. 2.15 TO ALL OF  OUR PARKS I MEAN WE A GREAT  JOB GETTING OUT EARLY  INDICATIONS. YOU GOT THOSE  WILL BE ANNOUNCED TOMORROW.  THANK YOU SHELTERS WILL OPEN  NOON TOMORROW.  ♪ ♪ SHELTER FOR CITY EMPLOYEES AND  MORGAN CENTER. TOMORROW WE'LL  HAVE TO USE THE GOING  OPERATIONS SO I THINK BY  FRIDAY.  ♪ THROUGH THURSDAY BY FRIDAY.  IT'S CLEAN UP. HOPING JUST  REALLY LOOK LAST SHE FLOODING.  A LOT FANS ON HOW MUCH WE YOUR  WHETHER OR NOT WE GET THAT.  YOU KNOW SOMETIMES GET UP  STATES LIKE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY  >> THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE  ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT  DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY  PUBLIC SOMEWHAT THE PROMOTION.  >> I MOVE TO ADOPT NUMBER 2024  DASH THERE FORTE.  >> NOW YOU WHEN JUST IMPORTANT  AMBER FORD WHAT DOES VICTORY,  JUST DOESN'T MOTION. LET ME  SAY THAT I MOVE TO ADOPT  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  WHAT HE HAS PRESENTED SECONDED  ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON  TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2020  4.40 IS PRESENTED THAT WAS  ♪ SECONDED BY VICE  ♪ MAYOR STOKES.  >> LET VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5  TO  >> WE DID GENERAL BUSINESS  BASE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM C.  >> 24 DASH 1, 3, 9, 4,  >> CITY CLERK. THIS IS YOUR  ITEM.  >> IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION REGARDING ADVISORY  BOARD RECOMMENDATION  MEMORANDUMS THEY INCLUDE  ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY FOR  PROTECTING TREES FOR CARBON  SEQUESTRATION AND PARKS AND  RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD  REGARDING PARKS MASTER PLAN  FUNDING.  >> DO WE HAVE ANYBODY.  >> THERE'S NOTHING ON THIS OR  EVERYTHING COMMENTS ABOUT  THIS.  >> I JUST HAVE A REALLY GLAD  TO.  >> THE VAB IS. WHERE  APARTMENTS WHICH ARE ASIAN WAS  BROUGHT UP TO ME LIKE 20  SOMETHING YEARS AGO AND I SAID  WHAT IS THAT, BUT IT'S IT'S  JUST HOW CARBON DIOXIDE IS A.  CONTAINED IN ENTRIES AND THIS  IS WHEN I STARTED DOING.  RESEARCH ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN CARBON DIOXIDE I'M  JORDAN PALMS VERSUS AND  ACTUALLY EVEN USE FOR SAYS  THEY'RE JUST 2 DIFFERENT  ANIMALS SO TO THERE ARE ABOUT  5 POUNDS OF CO 2 A YEAR  WHEREAS A THAT RAIN WILL  ABSORB UP TO 60 POUNDS A BIG  DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE TO DO.  THIS IS TALKING ABOUT CARBON  SEQUESTRATION IN SOILS BUT ALL  AGAIN IT'S ALL ABOUT CARBON  SERVING THAT CARBON. I'M  REALLY GLAD THAT THE AP  PUTTING THIS OUT THERE AND  MAKING PEOPLE AWARE OF IT THIS  COMMISSION AWARE OF THAT.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I HOPE THAT IF THE LIAISON  TO THE VAB IS LISTENING THAT  THEY WILL ADVISE THE THAT THE  COMMISSION HAS APPROVED THINGS  IN THE BUDGET AND CREATED CIP  PROJECTS FOR PLANTING TREES IN  PUBLIC PLACES. WE'RE STILL  WAITING FOR POLICY TO BE  BROUGHT BACK YOU KNOW WHAT  THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND ALSO  ABOUT PURCHASING TREES FOR THE  PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO USE ON.  FOR THE CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO  YOU BY TREES, I'M USING TREE  FUND MONEY TO BE PLANTED ON  THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO  WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT POLICY  TO COME BACK. SO WE DO  RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT  AND I I PERSONALLY AM GRATEFUL  FOR THEIR MEMO BUT AT THE SAME  TIME THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN  DO ABOUT PLANTING TREES  PASSING IT OUT FOR THE PUBLIC  UNTIL WE GET THESE POLICIES  BEFORE US FOR VETTING SO STAY  TUNED. ALL RIGHT AND AS FAR AS  THE PARK'S MEMO, I REALLY LIKE  THE LIAISON TO. LET THE PARK'S  ADVISORY BOARD KNOW THAT WE  DID ADD TO THE BUDGET FIRST  READING A CIP PROJECT FOR THE  PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT THEY DO  SUPPORT THAT IT IS IN THE  BUDGET WE WE DESIGNATED I  THINK WAS $250,000 FOR THE  PARKS MASTER PLAN. SO  HOPEFULLY THAT WELL GET  BROUGHT BACK TO THEM TOO SO  THANK THEM ALSO FOR THAT'S ALL  I HAVE ALL RIGHT THANK YOU.  >> ON THE HAVE THERE.  >> IS REMINDING UP.  >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE  MADE AWARE THAT THIS  COMMISSION PASSED WITH OUR  ULDC STARTING IN 2027 TO HAVE  THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT IT WILL  NOT BE ANY TREES OR SHRUBS  REQUIRED PLANTED ON NEW SINGLE  FAMILY.  >> DEVELOPMENT LOT SO JUST SO  WHAT KIND OF COUNTERING WHAT  WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE WITH  OUR TREE FUND AND NOT  REQUIRING PEOPLE  >> PLANT A TREE AND SHRUB ON  THEIR OWN. PROPERTIES AND I  OFTEN TELL YOU WHICH I VOTED  ON THAT OKAY, BUT JUST SO  THAT'S OUT THERE MAYBE FOR  FUTURE DISCUSSION. OK SO DO WE  HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON  THAT I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY SO I'M  LOOKING FOR A MOTION BUT I  DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF  EMOTIONAL WE'RE LOOKING IT IS  NOT HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE THAT  SO THAT SAID HERE ALRIGHT SO  WE HAD THE DISCUSSION. AND  MOVE ON TO ITEM D 24 DASH 1,  1, 9, 8,  >> CITY DISCUSSION AND  POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING  REVIEW AND POSSIBLE UPDATES OF  THE CITY COMMISSION POLICY  NUMBER 2020 DASH 0, 4, THAT  COMMENT AND CITY COMMISSION  POLICY NUMBER 2021 DASH 0,  RULES OF ORDER AND DECORUM IN  MARCH OF 2022 FOR CITY  ATTORNEY SLAYTON SENT AN EMAIL  TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING  REVISING CITY COMMISSION  MEETING POLICIES DUE TO  APPLICATION OF FIRST AMENDMENT  AND REVIEWING WHAT CITY  ATTORNEY SLAYTON HAVE SENT I  ALSO. I KNOW THAT WAS YES, I  DIDN'T REVIEW OF THE POLICY  NUMBER 2020 2020 20 DASH 0, 4,  I ALSO RECOMMEND IT ITEMS FOR  REVIEW BY THE COMMISSION FOR  POSSIBLE REVISIONS ONE WOULD  BE THAT IN PERSON ATTENDANCE  THAT WE WOULD ADD PUBLIC  COMMENT IS LIMITED TO ONE  PUBLIC COMMENT CARD FOR AGENDA  ITEM THIS HAS QUESTIONED BY  THE PUBLIC. A FEW TIMES SO WE  WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ON  THERE AS WELL AS HAVING VOICE  MAILS TO ADD LANGUAGE IN  STATING THAT WE WILL PLAY THEM  DURING. THE GENERAL PUBLIC  COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF  THE MEETING THIS IS BECAUSE WE  RECEIVE THEM OFF THROUGH OUR  E-MAIL AND TO ORGANIZE ON THE  CITY CELL PHONE ON WHICH ONES  TO PULL UP FOR WHAT YOU ITEMS  IT'S REALLY HARD TO ORGANIZE  SO IT'S MUCH EASIER TO  ORGANIZE ONE PLACE I AM ALL AT  ONE TIME  >> ALRIGHT THAT IS THAT IT.  IT'S OKAY. SO.  >> WE'LL KEEP RUNNING  QUESTIONS ON THIS. THAT'S  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND  THERE THERE WAS ONE THAT I SAW  THAT THIS I THINK IT WAS IN  THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO. I  DON'T REMEMBER.  >> ABOUT DECORUM FOR PERSONAL  ATTACKS.  >> WHAT YEAH WHAT THAT IS WHAT  IS ALL THAT BECAUSE HER SON  TEXT ONE PERSON IS DIFFERENT  TO PERSONAL ATTACKS TO ANOTHER  PERSON, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT  WOULD SEEN THAT WE HAD A BIG  DISCUSSION DURING THE SIGN  CODE. HOW DO YOU DEFINE A  PERSONAL ATTACK. HOW HOW DOES  THAT WORK. I'LL TAKE HER TO  THE CITY ATTORNEY REGARDING  WAS HER MEMO THANK YOU.  >> WELL, JUST SAYING IN  GENERAL CURRENT POLICY WE HAVE  SOMETHING REFERENCING MESS AND  THE. THE POINT OF THAT BEING  ADDRESSED THE MEMO IS.  UNFORTUNATELY BY BEING ELECTED  OFFICIALS YOU'RE PUTTING  YOURSELF OUT IN THE YOU KNOW  IN THE PUBLIC AND. WE CANNOT  SEND TO THE PUBLIC IN SO  THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE NEEDS TO  TAKE A LOOK AT AND REVISIT YOU  KNOW FIGURE OUT TO ADDRESS BUT  THERE HAVE MANY MANY YEARS AGO  BEFORE MOST OF IRAN. THE  COMMISSION THERE BEEN TIMES  WAS OF SOMEONE WANT TO TALK  ABOUT ONE COMMISSIONER AND SAY  THAT MIKE THE WAY TO VOTE OR  YOU KNOW WHATEVER I THINK YOU  WANT TO SHUT THEM DOWN AND  WHILE THAT'S UNPLEASANT AND  UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU KNOW IT  MAY NOT FEEL LIKE THE BEST  ENVIRONMENT FOR THE MEETING  AND THE FIRST THAT WE CAN DO  THAT SO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND  REVISIT THAT PORTION OF THE  POLICY AND SINCE THAT TIME  THAT I HAD I WROTE THIS MEMO  WHICH WAS REALLY JUST BASIC  STABBED SAYING, HEY WE NEED TO  TAKE A BETTER LOOK AT THIS  WE'VE DONE SOME MORE RESEARCH  AND THERE'S BEEN CASES THAT  CAME OUT, INCLUDING I THINK IT  WAS LAST WEEK 11 CIRCUIT CASE  THAT CAME OUT ON SOME OF THESE  TOPICS SO BUT MY  RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO YOU  ALL IS IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK  AT THIS JUST TO GIVE US SOME  VERY YOU BROUGHT DIRECTION TO  DO THAT AND BRING YOU BACK  SOMETHING WITH A STRAIGHT  THROUGH TO DISCUSS MORE  SPECIFICALLY. YOU KNOW WE  WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT THE  LANGUAGE IN THESE POLICIES. I  KNOW MORE HOLISTICALLY AND  BRING RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO  YOU. VERSUS HAVING SUPER  SPECIFIC DIRECTION TONIGHT.  >> ALL VICE-MAYOR BUT IF  FOCUSING ON THIS PARTICULAR  ITEM FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE  AS AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THE  COURTS HAVE BEEN. VERY POOR  RELATIVELY CLEAR IN THAT AS A  PUBLIC OFFICIAL DESPITE  UNCOMFORTABLE IT MIGHT GET.  OKAY. PUBLIX RIGHT. TO VOICE  THEIR OPINIONS. EVEN IF THEY  MAY TEND TO BE A FOR BILLY  ABUSIVE. BORDERING ON  HARASSMENT THAT IS. THAT IS  WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU PUT  YOURSELF OUT THERE AS A PUBLIC  OFFICIAL. WHAT I UNDERSTAND  THE COURT'S CONSERVATIVE WAS  AND WHERE THEY FELT THERE  COULD BE SOME. CORRIDOR WAS  WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT  THAT WAS DISRUPTIVE TO THE  PROCESS SO TO THE EXTENT IT.  THE MEETING WAS DISRUPTED BY  PUBLIC. COLEMAN. WHETHER IT BE  STOPPING THE EXCESSIVE  CLAPPING THAT INNER WEALTH THE  PROCESS. THAT'S WHERE. GUARD  LINES COULD BE ESTABLISHED  THAT COULD BE. YOU KNOW COULD  BE INSTITUTED BUT NOT WITH  REGARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT  ITSELF REGARDLESS OF GRESS IF  IT MAY MIGHT PRETTY MUCH  TARGET WITH.  >> YEAH SO YOU KNOW ARE YOU  GOING TO APPLY.  >> LEGAL SYNOPSYS YEAH THAT'S  ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WHICH WE VERY  CHEERFUL FOR FOR THAT TO BE  VERY CAREFUL ABOUT REGULATING  SO YEAH THAT WAS IT THAT WAS A  GREAT SYNOPSIS VICE MAYOR.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH FOR WE'RE ATTACKING  SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT  IF PEOPLE WANT TO CRITICIZE ME  LET'S SAY BECAUSE OF HOW I  VOTED.  >> WHAT I SUPPORT WHAT MY  VISION FOR THE CITY IS THAT  FAIR GAME. I MEAN THAT THE JOB  YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE THAT TERM.  WHEN YOU'RE IN THIS ROLE WHEN  YOU MAKE THIS COMMITMENT THAT  IS FAIR GAME. FOR ME A  PERSONAL ATTACK WOULD BE.  TACKING FAMILY MEMBER. OR SOME  ASPECT OF MY LIFE THAT HAS  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT MY  PERSONAL LIFE THAT HAS  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  >> TO DO WITH MY ROLE AS A  COMMISSIONER.  >> I KNOW IT GETS SEXUAL  PREFERENCE. FAMILY  CONFIGURATION I MEAN I CAN  THINK OF A LIST OF THINGS.  THAT EVEN THOUGH I'M A PUBLIC  OFFICIAL. IF IF I'M NOT USING  THOSE THINGS AS PART OF MY  CAMPAIGNING. I THINK ONCE YOU  USE ANYTHING LIKE AS PART YOUR  POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING AND  APPEAL AND YOU'VE OPENED THE  DOOR UP. BUT BUT I THINK THERE  DOES NEED TO BE SOME LINE.  >> AND I I DON'T WANT TO  REVISIT THAT THE SIGNS AND THE  CONTENT OF SIGNS AND I FEEL  LIKE WE'RE HEADING DOWN THAT  RABBIT HOLE.  >> BUT BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE.  >> SOME LEVEL OF.  >> PROTECTION AND I THINK FOR  ME IT'S FAMILY. IS JUST GOING  TO BE A LINE WHERE YOU KNOW  IT'S JUST NOT FAIR GAME JUST  BECAUSE YOUR UP PUBLIC  OFFICIAL. EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR  LIFE SHOULDN'T.  >> THE.  >> PUBLIC.  >> THAT'S WHY I MAY  COMMISSIONER LEE DID THAT WE  KNOW THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN  ADDRESS THAT IN A WAY RIGHT  BECAUSE WHAT WHAT WE SEE IN  THE RECENT CASE NOT TO IN  COURT IS SUPPORT FOR SAYING  THAT PUBLIC COMMENT MUST BE  PART THE CITY BUSINESS. SO  RATHER THAN STOPPING UNTIL IT  COME IN AND SAY YOU CAN SEE  THAT ABOUT ME YOU CAN SEE MY  FAMILY YOU CAN SAY THAT  CONTENT IT'S YOUR PUBLIC  COMMENT HAS DEPARTMENT A CITY  IT YEAH SO THEY'RE TALKING  ABOUT WHAT YOUR BROTHER DID  WHICH MOTHERS THAT'S LIKELY  NOT PERTINENT TO SAY THAT SO  YOU KNOW IT'S VERY IMPORTANT  THAT WE HAVE THE THE POLICY  WRITTEN THE WAY THE COMPLEX OF  THE AND THEN UTILIZE IT THAT  WAY, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT  IT'S LIMITLESS I WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND SO  YOU KNOW WE'D LIKE TO BRING  YOU SOMETHING BACK THAT THEN  PROVIDE SOME OF THE  PROTECTIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT THAT ITS WORDED SLIGHTLY  DIFFERENTLY AND SOME KIND OF A  DIFFERENT APPROACH AND THEN  CAPTURE SOME OF THE. BEEN  READING THAT YOU AGREE SOME OF  THE POLICY ASPECTS THE CITY  CLERK THIS REQUEST AS WELL  >> I.  >> I'M GLAD COMMISSIONER LINDA  BROUGHT THAT UP  >> BECAUSE YEAH PERSONAL  ATTACKS HAS NO NOTHING TO DO  CITY BUSINESS FAIR GAME YOU'RE  GOING TO CRITICIZE SOME WAY A  MOTIVE OR HOW I I'M TALKING  ABOUT A PARTICULAR.  >> SUBJECT OF COURSE THAT'S  WHAT WE ACCEPT THAT BUT KNOW  GOING PRIVATE LIFE WERE LIKE  YOU SAID BRINGING IN FAMILY  INTO IT ARE YOU KNOW THE WAY I  DON'T. PAINTED YOUR HOUSE OR  WHATEVER I MEAN THINGS THAT  ARE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH  WITH KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WHEN  PUBLIC. SERVANT IS SO I  APPRECIATE THAT CITY ATTORNEY  SAYING THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME  LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT RATHER  THAN SAYING THAT YOU. BUT WHAT  IT HAS TO BE RATHER THAN WHAT  IT CAN BE THAT'S HOW I'M.  HEARING AND HAS TO PUBLIC  COMMENT HAS BEEN PARTLY TO  CITY THIS LIKELY THAT IT'S  VERY CLEAR.  >> VICE-MAYOR WELL FROM FROM A  PRACTICAL STANDPOINT LET'S  FACE IT YOU CAN CERTAINLY.  AND 2. TO THE LANGUAGE. THAT  PUBLIC COMMENT MUST ADDRESS  PUBLIC OR YOU KNOW PUBLIC  BUSINESS CITY BUSINESS.  >> VIRTUALLY EVERY PUBLIC FOR  PAST 3 YEARS. EXCEPT MAYBE ONE  OR 2 EXCEPTIONS. WHAT STARTS  THAT WAY. TO THE EXTENT IT  BECOMES ABUSIVE OR ORIN FALLS  INDIVIDUAL ATTACKS ON STAFF OR  COMMISSION. IT'S STILL TALKING  TO. CITY BUSINESS. AND I CAN'T  IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE.  COMMISSIONER OR MAYOR WOULD  INTERRUPT OR STOP A PUBLIC  SPEAKER. BECAUSE STAY CROSS TO  PUBLIC FOR A BOWL REGARDING A  SUBJECT THEY STARTED IN GOT  PASSIONATE ABOUT. REGARDING  PUBLIC BUSINESS I THINK  ANYBODY'S EVER JUST IN AND  STARTED WAILING AWAY. I WAKE  ABOUT NOTHING. IT STARTS WITH.  ♪ HAPPY ABOUT AND I THINK YOU GO  OUR REAL  ♪ SLIPPERY SLOPE. WHEN WE START.  CONTROL WHAT PEOPLE SAY WHEN  THEY COME BEFORE US THEY 3  MINUTES. AT THE END OF THE 3  MINUTES IF THEY DON'T STOP  SPEAKING. KIND SIR CAN ESCORT  THEM OUT. BUT FOR 3 MINUTES. I  THINK A PUBLIC OFFICIAL OR  WHAT. AND TAKE THAT COMES WITH  THE JOB. MAKES IT WORTH A  COUPLE EXTRA BUCKS IN YOUR  PAY.  >> BUT IT TO SITTING HERE AND  GET AND WE DO.  >> AND CITY MANAGER AND DOES.  YOU COULDN'T PAY AT TIMES TO  PUT UP WITH THAT BUT IT COMES  TO SHOW UP. AND YOU IT UP YOU  GET PAST THAT 3 MINUTES SIR,  YOU MOVE ON CONTINUE TO DO  BUSINESS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT  WE DO. AND SO I DON'T SEE THE  NEED TO MESS WITH US. I THINK  IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WE WANT  TO TIGHTEN UP SOME LANGUAGE  FINE BUT QUITE FRANKLY FIRST  AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF  SPEECH REALLY TRUMPS  EVERYTHING IN MY BOOK,  ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO  PUBLIC FIGURES I HATE TO SAY  IT, BUT YOU RUN FOR PUBLIC  OFFICE TO GET ELECTED. YOU PUT  YOURSELF OUT THERE TOOK EVERY  TYPE OF ABUSE ACCEPT PHYSICAL  ABUSE AT THAT POINT YOU KNOW  WHAT TAKES OVER SO THAT'S JUST  MY FEELING ON IT I I JUST HATE  THE THOUGHT OF DOING ANYTHING  3 MINUTES. PEOPLE HAVE THEIR  SAY. I CAN SUCK IT UP I CAN  TAKE IT. OKAY COMMISSIONER  DOW.  >> THANK YOU VICE BECAUSE I  WAS GOING TO ASK HOW ARE YOU  GOING TO AS THE MAYOR INTO  FORCE SOMEBODY DIVERSE IS OFF  OF CITY BUSINESS WILL UP. YOU  KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S JUST  BETTER TO JUST LET THEM TALK  THEN TO INTERRUPT THEM  EXPLAINING TO EXPLAIN IT  >> HAVE THEM ANGRY  >> WAGED.  >> AND. THEN TO JUST LET THEM  SAY WHAT THEY NEED TO SAY FOR  3 MINUTES AND BE DONE WITH IT  AND THEN THEIR TIME IS UP.  >> BUT I WOULD NOT IN ANY WAY  SHAPE OR FORM BE IN FAVOR OF  SQUELCHING FIRST AMENDMENT  RIGHT TO SPEECH.  >> AND THAT BECOMES A VERY  SLIPPERY SLOPE BY SAYING NOPE,  IT'S NOT TO THE BUSINESS YOU  CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. THEY'RE  HERE AT CITY HALL.  >> YOU  >> KNOW BUT SECOND PART FOR  THE POLICY 2020 DASH 0, 4, I  CAN ABSOLUTELY GET ON BOARD  WITH TO HAVE ONE PUBLIC  COMMENT CARD PER AGENDA ITEM  AND HAVE THE VOICE MAILS HEARD  AT THE BEGINNING AND IF YOU'D  LIKE WE CAN AND I'LL MAKE A  MOTION FOR THAT ONE. BUT AS  FAR 3.  >> I'M NOT  >> AND PARTICULAR CHANGES THAT  I WOULD BE AMENABLE TO.  >> TO SQUELCH THAN FIRST  AMENDMENT. JUST HAVING THAT BE  LONELY SITTING BUSINESS. 3  MINUTES. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH, I MEAN I.  >> I DON'T KNOW JUST SOME  POINT.  >> THERE HAS TO BE A LINE AND.  I'M I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT  SOMEONE ONCE YOU GET  PERSONALLY ABUSIVE.  >> TO ME.  >> I DO THINK THAT GOES WITH  THE JOB. TO DROP FAMILY  MEMBERS OR SPOUSES OR  CHILDREN.  >> YOU KNOW I I THINK THIS  SORT OF UNWRITTEN RULE AT THE  FEDERAL LEVEL THAT AS A PUBLIC  OFFICIAL YOUR FEAR.  >> A R FAIR GAME.  >> BUT THAT THERE'S A LINE  DRAWN WITH THE FAMILY KNOW  YOU'RE SORT OF YOU NEED AND I  MEAN WHAT WHAT SORT TODAY,  IT'S JUST YOU KNOW KNOWN TO  KARMA OR ANYTHING TODAY BUT I  DON'T CARE HOW HE DID IT GETS  OR HOW LOUD IT GETS IF SOMEONE  COMPLAINING ABOUT ME. MY  BEHAVIOR, MY PERSONAL LIFE IF  IT'S ME I DO THINK IT COMES  WITH THE TERRITORY. I DON'T  KNOW IS JUST GOT TO BE.  >> SOME THAT.  >> I DON'T KNOW MAYBE TRYING  SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T  EXIST SOLELY BECAUSE OF PAST 4  YEARS I'VE NOT SEEN I'VE SEEN  SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE A  LITTLE BORED LINE BUT BUT  NOTHING THAT IN MY MIND REALLY  CROSSED.  >> THE LINE SO.  >> YEAH THINK BROKE.  >> VICE MAYOR DO HAVE  SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH.  SUBJECT THOUGH THERE WAS SOME  CONVERSATION I KNOW ABOUT  WHEN. THE AGENDA ITEM WHEN A  PUBLIC COMMENT. SHOULD TAKE  PLACE SHOULDN'T BE PRECEDED TO  THE NEXT ITEM, SO ARE WE.  >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO  GIVE DIRECTION ON THIS AGAIN I  FEEL STRONGLY THAT WE SHOULD  HAVE SOME SOME LANGUAGE IN  THERE AND.  >> IT IS CALLED RULES OF  DECORUM ORMOND KNOW WE HAVE  PROBLEM.  >> YET.  >> BUT I YOU KNOW HAVING BEEN  AT SOME OF THE SCHOOL BOARD  MEETINGS THEY WERE NOT YOU  KNOW FIRST MEANT FREE SPEECH.  THERE HAS TO STILL BE DOESN'T  MEAN YOU JUST. WHATEVER TYPE  THING AT SOMEBODY ELSE'S WHICH  IS PUTTING LIKE THE SET OF.  FAMILY MEMBER DOWN OR  SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL  LIFE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH  THIS DOING. IT'S OTHERWISE  JUST A BIG FREE FALL OUT THERE  SO. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE  GIVEN US. BUT THINGS TO  CONSIDER. TO COMBAT. I  UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY THAT  WOULD DRAFT SOMETHING COME  BACK FOR THE YOU CAN SEE WHAT  THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND SEE IF  IT'S IT'S WORTH PURSUING AT  THAT AT THAT POINT SO. THAT'S  WHERE I STAND ON THAT SO WE  NEED SOME MOTIONS FOR  DIRECTION ON WE HAVE PUBLIC  COMMENT TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.  THANK YOU.  >> ROBIN SAMPSON TANK AND  SUSAN BOMBER.  >> I'M  >> ROBIN SENSITIVE FOR THE  REPUBLICAN EVENING. THERE'S A  COUPLE THINGS THAT ITEM I'M  JUST TO GET MAY CAUSE IT'S ALL  OVER THE PLACE. SUMMARY. CITY  LOOKING SECOND PAGE.  >> TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS SO  HAVE CITY BUSINESS. SO I'M  ASSUMING THAT THAT'S GOING TO  BE CHANGED TO MAYBE CITY  MATTERS. BECAUSE WHAT I FIRST  CAME UP HERE IN MY GENERAL  PUBLIC COMMENT. VOCAL MINORITY  AND WHAT I SAID THAT'S NOT  CITY BUSINESS. I DON'T THINK  IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH IT'S I  THOUGHT WAS TO LOOK AT THAT AS  A LAY PERSON I SEE CITY  BUSINESS. I THINK I CAN'T MAKE  THAT KIND OF COMMENT. AND THAT  WOULD BE CHANGED TO THIS CITY  MATTERS OR SOMETHING LIKE  THAT. AND THEN ALSO DOES THIS  ALSO APPLY TO STAFF. THOSE AT  THE CANNES. BOARD MEMBER IS  CITIZENS AND NAME. AND ANY WAY  HERE.  >> I'M JUST FOLLOW  >> RULES OF DECORUM. STAFF  SHOULD FOLLOW THE SAME AT  THAT. THEY DO ANYTHING JUST  BECAUSE IT'S INCLUSIVE.  >> AND THEN IT'S ON POLICY  TWENTY-TWENTY O 4. AND I'M  LOOKING UP PUBLIC COMMENT  THAT'S COMING UP NEXT, OKAY.  THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PRIOR  TO THE VOTE APPROVING THE  CONSENT AGENDA. DOES THAT NEED  TO BE CLOUGH'S SIDE. WE'RE  GOING TO MAYBE CONSIDER PUBLIC  COMMENT VIA TO VOTE. THAT  WOULD HAVE TO CLARIFIED.  FORWARD TO BOARD DISCUSSIONS  WITH U.S.. THANK TO PUT IN  THERE. WHAT EXACTLY.  >> THE MAYOR WILL HANDLE THE  QUESTIONS IN THE MANNER THAT  THE MAYOR FIT. WHAT DOES THAT  EXACTLY MEAN. THAT'S NUMBER 2.  QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC TO  THE CITY COMMISSION WILL BE  ADDRESSED TO THE MAYOR MAY IT  WILL HANDLE THE QUESTIONS IN  THE MATTER THAT THE MAYOR SEES  FIT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.  AND THEN. ACTUALLY A NUMBER 3  THE LAST SENTENCE DUPLICATED  BY USING MULTIPLE METHODS.  >> THAT'S IT WAS DONE AT THE  LAST MAY. SOMEBODY SUBMITTED A  COMMENT AND THEN THEY GET UP  HERE AND THEN THEY MAKE A  PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S SOMETHING  YOU CAN'T DO THAT THAT'S WHAT  I'M EATING HERE DUPLICATED BY  USING MULTIPLE METHODS. WAS IT  A  >> MOST LIVE STREAMING. TO  ANOTHER METHOD.  >> PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> I THANK YOU.  >> I I'M BOMBER OR NOT THERE  THIS MAY GO WITH THE NEXT ONE  THAT ALL THIS SAY IT RIGHT  BECAUSE HAVE BEEN HERE QUITE A  LOT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WITH  DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE  GOING ON. AND I'M JUST  LISTENING TO THE LAST  DISCUSSION. THERE SHOULD NEVER  BE ANY IT IS VERBAL ANY KIND.  LET'S ANYBODY WE'RE HERE FOR  THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY.  AND AS CITIZENS. WHEN WE COME  TO ADDRESS U N S FOR YOUR  CONSIDERATION ON THINGS. I  THINK FEEL FRUSTRATED BECAUSE  WE DON'T FEEL LIKE VOICE IS  BEING HEARD ESPECIALLY AT  TIMES LIKE WITH A 3.20. WHEN  WE HAVE DONE A LOT  OF RESEARCH WE HAVE ROB A LOT  OF INFORMATION TO YOU WE COULD  TO MAKE OUR COMMENT. 3 MINUTES  AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT  INFORMATION AND THEN SOME TIME  BRING UP REALLY POINTS AND  THEN YOU ASKED THIS STEP AND  THEN THE STAFF AND THEN THE  ATTORNEYS OR ATTORNEYS FOR THE  DEVELOPERS COMING UP AND IT'S  A LONG TIME WITH EVERYBODY  TALKING BACK AND FORTH AND  MAKE IT TO TALK AS MUCH AS  THEY WANTED. AND WE DO  SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE ANSWERS  SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. WE  DON'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. I  MEAN WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT  YOU ARE WORKING FOR YOU. WE'RE  VERY CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S  GOING ON IN OUR CITY. AND WE  JUST WANT TO BE HURT WE ALWAYS  THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE OUR  E-MAIL STILL CAN ANSWER.  SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE  PUT THEM. A LOT. BECAUSE WE  COME UP HERE AND WILL TRY TO  PLACE HER CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE  WE LIVE IN WHAT'S GOING ON  AROUND THIS AND I THINK  SOMETIMES WE JUST LIKE WE NEED  TO FEEL LIKE WE GET MORE  RESPECT. INSTEAD OF FEELING  LIKE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH SAY.  AND THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.  THANK YOU. OKAY.  >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT SO I'M  LOOKING FOR SOME MOTIONS  POSSIBILITY THAT FORWARD.  >> MAKING OK. MAKE A MOTION TO  INSTRUCT CITY CLERK. 2. REVISE  COMMISSION POLICY NUMBER 2, 0,  2, 0, DASH 0, 4, WITH 2  RECOMMENDED CHANGES.  >> 2 B ONE AND B 3.  >> OUTLINED IN THE LEGISLATIVE  TEXT. OKAY. YOU READ THAT BACK  CITY CLERK AND THEN I'M  LOOKING FOR A SECOND ON THAT.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO  AMEND COMMISSION POLICY NUMBER  2020 DASH 0, 4, WITH THE 2  RECOMMENDED CHANGES. AFFECTED  HIM BE WANT TO BE 3 AS  OUTLINED IN THE LEGISLATIVE  TEXT.  >> THAT'S THE MOTION HAVE A  SECOND. NOT GETTING A SECOND.  ALL RIGHT NOT GETTING A SECOND  ON THAT ONE SO THAT MOTION  NOW. DO WE HAVE OTHER MOTIONS.  YEAH, I DIDN'T HAVE THEIR THAT  SITE MERRIMAN.  >> YEAH IT WOULD BE TO AMEND  THE TIMING OF WHEN I PLAY  VOICEMAILS INTO THE RECORD TO  HAVE IT UNDER THE FIRST  GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE  MEETING INSTEAD OF ON EACH  INDIVIDUAL ITEM AND THEN THE  SECOND ONE WAS TO ADD. RICH  POLICY THAT STATES THAT YOU  CAN ONLY SUBMIT ONE PUBLIC  COMMENT CARD PER ITEM. SO  THOSE ARE THE COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL OF RAIN THAT'S I HAVE  THE POLICY OPEN UP THE  LEGISLATIVE TEXT.  >> AND I DO WITH THE LATE FAIL  FOR LACK OF A SECOND.  >> TRY AGAIN. WE DO IT AGAIN.  WE NEED A DIFFERENT MOTION  MAKER OR COUNTRY. I DON'T  THINK I CAN.  >> WHAT NEVER SEEN A RULE ON  THAT ONE YET AND NOW.  >> WANT TO MAKE IT THAT  ROBERT'S RULES IS ONLY A OCEAN  OUTRIGHT AGAIN THANK YOU.  >> I MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE  CITY CLERK AMEND POLICY NUMBER  2020 DASH 0, 4, WITH A 2  RECOMMENDED CHANGES. TO BE AND  3 AS OUTLINED IN THE  LEGISLATIVE TEXT. I'LL SECOND  OKAY.  >> WE DO A MOTION MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> THAT WE THAT REPEATED CITY  CLERK. NOW WE'RE OKAY THAT WAS  SECONDED BY. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON YES, YES, YES, OKAY,  THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER. LET'S  GO. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 DO  YOU HAVE ANY OTHER MOTION.  THIS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A  MOTION. YEAH. VICE MAYOR. AND  BECAUSE SULLIVAN THOSE PARADE  THAT'S  >> I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.  >> FOLLOWING COMMISSION POLICY  2021 DASH 0, 3,  >> REGARDING THE RESTRICTION  ON PERSONAL ATTACKS. AND TO  HAVE MORE DEFENSIBLE LANGUAGE  PUT IN THERE. AND HOW TO PUT  THAT. WELL I WAS SECOND. I I'M  IN SECOND TO DISCUSSION. WE'RE  GOING TO DO THE SAME THING. I  DON'T KNOW I.  >> I'M JUST FALLING INTO THE  CAMP OF IF IT AIN'T BROKE  DON'T FIX IT.  >> I WOULD BE OPEN TO  INSTRUCTING STAFF TO BRING  SOMETHING BACK FOR  CONSIDERATION.  >> BUT I I WOULDN'T BE  COMFORTABLE TONIGHT GOING ANY  FURTHER THAN THAT BUT I MEAN  CAN BE BROUGHT BACK. IT BACK  THE OTHER ONE.  >> AND YEAH AND THE CITY  ATTORNEY HAS BEEN WORKING ON  THIS ARE AND SOME OF THE OTHER  ONE WE APPROVED THE CHANGES ON  THIS  >> NOW THOUGHT SHE WAS JUST  ASK ABOUT THE INFORMATION COME  BACK NOT WHAT I HEARD THAT  WHAT YOU HEARD THAT WAS MORE  SPECIFIC TO FIND SOME LANGUAGE  BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE  APPROVED YOU.  >> TO ME THAT'S INFORMATION  COMING BACK THIS IS A LANGUAGE  WE WOULD LIKE PUT IN TO MAKE  IT A STRONGER SUBSTANCE FOR.  ABUSE POLICY. BUT LIKE IT THAT  WE I DON'T LIKE IT. WE  DISCUSSED. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> I. I DO I DON'T WANT TO  BRING SOMETHING BACK.  >> JUST FOR THE SAKE OF  BRINGING IT BACK FOR A  POSSIBLE DISCUSSION WHEN IT'S  NOT BROKE THAT NEEDS TO BE  FIXED TO BEGIN  >> FIRST AMENDMENT IS HIGHLY  PROTECTED.  >> AND TO HAVE STAFF BRING  SOMETHING BACK FOR US TO  POSSIBLY THAT THAT'S WHAT  WE'RE HERE TO DO TODAY AND I  HAVE NOT HEARD ANY APPETITE TO  MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THIS  POLICY AND TO HAVE STAFF.  WORKS SO HARD IT BRINGING  SOMETHING BACK WHEN WE KNOW  WE'RE NOT LEANING TOWARDS  HAVING ANYTHING CORRECT. IT  JUST SEEMS LIKE A. A WASTE OF  RESOURCES AND TIME. SO I  CANNOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION I  JUST WAS TRYING TO BE  PROACTIVE RATHER THAN THAT  AGAIN SELLING THIS WHAT SOME  FUTURE COMMISSION WHEN THE  PROBLEMS.  >> TO COME UP THAT THERE'S  NOTHING THAT AND USED AND DEAL  WITH IT AND FIRST AMENDMENT  EVEN HAS. IT'S IT'S NOT.  ANYTHING GOES FIRST AMENDMENT  STILL HAS SOME. FOR WANT OF A  BETTER RESTRICTIONS TOO.  WHAT'S COVERED UNDER YOUR  FIRST AMENDMENT BUT SOME  GUIDELINES IN PLACE ISN'T A  PROBLEM. I WOULD JUST SAY.  >> AS COMMISSIONER GOODELL  SAID IF IT ISN'T BROKE DON'T  FIX IT. REALITY IS WHILE WE'VE  HAD SOME UNCOMFORTABLE  MOMENTS, I'M PARTICULARLY  PASSIONATE SUBJECTS. AND  PERHAPS PEOPLE CROSS THE LINE.  YOU KNOW I I GET TO SEE  ANYBODY ATTACK SOMEONE'S. YOU  KNOW FAMILY MEMBERS OR PETS OR  YOU BUT IT PRETTY MUCH IS  DIRECTED AT A OF YOU KNOW I  THINK WE CAN MUDDLE ARE WAYS 3  YOU KNOW DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'D  BE DIRECTING STAFF TO DO  AFRAID IT WOULD JUST BE YOU  KNOW AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY  WHEN WHEN AN AWFUL LOT OF  OTHER IMPORTANT.  >> I WANT END ON THERE'S  EMOTIONAL OCEAN WE HAVE A  MOTION SO ABOUT THAT'S RIGHT  SO WE'VE GOT WHOLE.  >> ANYBODY NEED A MOTION  REPEATEDLY, I NEED TO BE  GROUNDED.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY OF  KHARTOUM A COMMISSION POLICY  NUMBER 2021 DASH 0, 3,  REGARDING RULES OF DECORUM.  >> AND THAT MOTION FAILS 2 TO  3.  >> HAD A. I JUST THANK YOU.  MAYOR. IT COULD GET.  >> WE'RE MOVING ITEM E. 24  DASH 1, 3, TO 8. CITY CLERK,  THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> IT'S THIS IS A DISCUSSION  AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING  REVIEW AND POSSIBLE DATES OF  CITY COMMISSION POLICY NUMBER  2021 0 I COMMISSION MEETING  SCHEDULES NOTICES AND AGENDAS.  ON OUR SPECIAL MEETING ON  AUGUST 6 2024 HAS ROBERT M HAD  PROVIDED SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR  AMENDMENTS TO THIS POLICY AND  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL HAD  DIRECTED THE CITY CLERK TO  BRING THE BACKPACK THE POLICY  FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. I  HAVE. PROVIDED THAT POLICY  ALONG COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS,  ONE OF THEM IS TO HOLD A  PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO AGENDA  ITEM DISCUSSION BY THE  COMMISSION. DEFINING PROCESS  FOR PLACEMENT OF AN ITEM ON  AGENDA REQUESTED BY A MEMBER  OF THE PUBLIC DEFINING A  PROCESS FOR DENIAL OF AN ITEM  ON AGENDA REQUESTED BY  COMMISSIONER AND DEFINING  ESTABLISHING CRITERIA FOR  NONCONTROVERSIAL CONSENT  AGENDA ITEMS. AND UPON  REVIEWING THESE QUESTIONS AND  THE POLICY THINGS THAT I  RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION TAKE  INTO CONSIDERATION WOULD BE  CONSIDERATION THAT MOVEMENT  PUBLIC COMMENT TO BEFORE  COMMISSION DISCUSSION WILL  ELIMINATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR  COME COMMENTERS TO PROVIDE  COMMENT BASED ON COMMISSION  DISCUSSION.  >> FRANKLY WE DO RECEIVE THE  PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS DURING  THE COMMISSION CONVERSATION  THAT DOES THE PUBLIC TO WANT  TO PROVIDE COMMENT THAT I  WOULD TAKE THAT INTO  CONSIDERATION. SO CURRENTLY  MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD  NEED A COMMISSIONER TO PLACE  AN ITEM OF INTEREST ON  UPCOMING AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION  COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER  CRITERIA FOR ITEMS APPROVED  FOR PLACEMENT ON AGENDA BY  STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS  NOT AN ABUNDANCE OF ITEMS THAT  COMMISSION DOES NOT DESIRE TO  DISCUSS SAME TOPICS ARE NOT  BEING PLACED ON AGENDAS  REPEATEDLY AND PROCESS FOR  DENIAL OF THOSE ITEMS AND THEN  ALSO CURRENTLY COMMISSIONER  SUBMIT THEIR REQUESTS TO THE  CITY CLERK. I DIDN'T CREATE  AGENDA ITEM FOR THEM. THE CITY  MANAGER DETERMINES WHAT  AGENDA. I BEST BETS ON BASED  ON TIMING PRIORITY AND STAFF  TIME NEEDED FOR PREPARATION  ITEMS ARE NOT TONIGHT AS FAR  AS I'M KNOWLEDGEABLE  >> AND.  >> CURRENTLY STAFFED  DETERMINES ITEMS THAT ARE  EXPECTED TO BE APPROVED  WITHOUT COMMISSION DISCUSSION,  THOSE ITEMS ARE PLACED ON THE  CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL.  >> AND THAT'S ALL THINK  >> THAT'S A MOUTHFUL TIE.  >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S SOMETHING  TO SAY ABOUT THIS VICE MAYOR  YES.  >> I MAKE NOTES QUICKEN  SHOOTOUT AND I KIND ECHO YOUR  SENTIMENTS. I MEAN WE GOING  FOR I DON'T KNOW IF I MISSED  ANY OF YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT.  PRINGLE POST COMMISSION  DISCUSSION. I I I'M SURPRISED  THAT. ANY YOU KNOW PUBLIC  WOULD WANT TO SPEAK PRIOR TO  THEY COULD. I BELIEVE CORRECT  ME IF I'M WRONG AT THE  BEGINNING OF THE MEETING  ITSELF MAKE A GENERAL PUBLIC  COMMENT. AS A CITIZEN I WOULD  WANT TO BENEFIT FROM THE THAT  TAKES PLACE ON THE AND MANY  DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF SO WHEN  MADE MY PUBLIC COMMENT. IT  WOULD BE MORE TARGETED AND IT  WOULD BE IN RESPONSE TO  EVERYTHING OFF SO DOING IT  PRIOR TO SORT WOMEN AGED  CITIZENS ABILITY TO DO THAT  AND AND SO FOR THAT REASON I  REALLY THINK IT SHOULD TAKE  PLACE YOU KNOW I THINK LIKE.  IT HAS. HAS MORE. MORE MORE  DIRECTION MORE TARGET MORE  FOCUS, YOU KNOW PERHAPS A  CITIZEN'S CONCERNS OR  QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED BY  YOU KNOW COMMISSION OR STAFF  DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER I  PUBLIC PUTTING ITEMS ON THE  AGENDA. YOU KNOW IT. I MEAN TO  ME IT'S A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC  HAD AN ISSUE THAT THEY FELL  REALLY SHOULD COME BEFORE  COMMISSION. WE AS  COMMISSIONERS ARE ARE  ACCESSIBLE. AND IF THERE'S AN  ITEM THAT ANYONE COMMISSIONER  FEELS BE SUBSTANTIVE ENOUGH OR  VALUABLE ENOUGH OR IMPORTANT  ENOUGH TO BRING BEFORE THE  COMMISSION I THINK THAT'S THE  RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. I THINK IF  WE OPEN THE DOOR TO ALLOW  CITIZENS TO SUBMIT ITEMS FOR  TO TO BE PUT ON THE PUBLIC  AGENDA. I CAN JUST IMAGINE THE  NIGHTMARE THAT WOULD INCUR  OKAY WELL. AGAIN THAT'S I JUST  DON'T BELIEVE ANY MEMBER OF  THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO  DO IT I THINK IT SHOULD WELL  FOR COMMISSIONER AND  COMMISSIONER AND BRING IT  BEFORE OR EVEN CITY MANAGER I  SUPPOSE YOU KNOW IT JUST YOU  KNOW I JUST CAN'T SEE YOU IN  THE WORLD NOW THAT WORKS  PRACTICALLY THE 3RD AREA OF  COMMENT ON YOU KNOW  COMMISSIONER REQUESTS ITEM FOR  4 AGENDA. I THINK IT NEEDS TO  CHANNEL THROUGH OUR OUR CITY  MANAGER FOR THE SIMPLE REASON  THAT. THERE ARE JUST SO MANY  ITEMS  THAT WAR STAFF RESEARCH AND  AND STAFF HIM PUT AND I  CONCERN MYSELF THAT. AGENDA  ITEM SECOND VOTE DIRECT OR  ITEM SAY CAN COME COMMISSION  DIRECTLY TO AN AGENDA WITH  STAFF HAVING THE ADEQUATE TIME  TO PREPARE I THINK WHAT WOULD  WASTE SOME TIME ON THE  COMMISSION'S PART PUT US IN A  POSITION HAVE TO YOU KNOW. FOR  SOMETHING OR OR CONTINUE IT  UNTIL STAFF COULD GET BACK  SYSTEM I I SEE I MEAN MISTER  WANT SOMETHING. THE AGENDA CAN  GET IT ON THE AGENDA. IF.  THERE WERE EVER A SITUATION  WHERE CITY MANAGER REFUSED TO  PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA  COMMISSIONER COULD BRING IT  BEFORE HIS FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS OR FELLOW  MINISTERS AND THEY COULD FOLD  TO PUT IT ON SO I YOU KNOW I  DO. AGAIN ANOTHER IF IT ISN'T  BROKEN DON'T FIX IT I DON'T  FOR THE CHANGES HERE.  >> THEM ALL OF THAT LAST ONE  THERE ESTABLISHING CRITERIA  FOR NON CONTROVERSY, YOU AND  AGENDA AND A TEACHER YEAH WORK  AS ALLY OF COMMENTS ON CASE OF  TIME.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH, I'LL BE BRIEF BECAUSE  I DO TEND TO CONCUR WITH  DISCUSSION. I DO THINK IT'S.  >> HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC  COMMENT TO FOLLOW OUR  DISCUSSION AND AGAIN BECAUSE I  DO SEE.  >> BASED ON DISCUSSION A LOT  OF PEOPLE POP UP AND SUBMIT A  CAR SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO  CHANGE THAT I THINK THAT'S  WORKING WELL.  >> I THINK WE SHOULD FIND A  PROCESS FOR HOW RESIDENT.  WOULD TOPIC. YOU KNOW. TO GO  ON THE AGENDA AND THINK THE  PROCESSES TALKING WITH ONE OF  THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN  HAVING THE COMMISSIONER  SPONSOR THAT BUT I DON'T THINK  THAT'S DEFINED ANYWHERE SO. I  WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO DEFINE  SOME KIND OF PROCESS FOR OUR  RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO SEE  SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. IT'S  ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT I KNOW  THAT STAFF LIKES TO HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE FOR AN  AGENDA ITEM AND HAVE ANY  BACKUP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE  YOU KNOW THE INFORMATION WE  NEED TO HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION  AND MAKE A GOOD DECISION. AND  ITEM 3 DENIAL OF AN ITEM ON  THE AGENDA. YEAH, I THINK IT  IS PART OF OUR POLICY I DON'T  REMEMBER IF IT'S DOCUMENTED OR  NOT CITY CLERK YOU MIGHT  REMEMBER. CITY MANAGER DENIES  THAT COMMISSIONER A TOPIC THEY  WANT ON THE AGENDA. AND THAT  COMMISSIONER CAN BRING IT UP.  AT OUR MEETING AND WE CAN VOTE  ON IT EITHER GO ON NOT I KNOW  SOMETIMES I'VE BROUGHT AGENDA  TOP ACTS. AND THEN A  CONVERSATION WITH CITY  MANAGER. HE'LL BRIEF ME ON  WORK BEING DONE BY STAFF AND  SO HE MIGHT SAY WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE THIS WORK DONE BY A  CERTAIN DATE YOU KNOW CAN WE  PUT IT ON AFTER THAT DATE AND  THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO  ME BECAUSE WE WE DO WANT TO  HAVE BACK UP. YEAH, I'M NOT  SURE WHAT THE 4TH ONE, JUST  NOT WE WHAT THAT IS.  >> I'M A YES THERE'S NOTHING  IN WRITING REGARDING NILE OF  AN AGENDA THAT I THINK WE WE  SHOULD DOCUMENT THAT PROCESS.  ALL RIGHT SURE OUT.  >> AS FAR AS I AGREE WITH THE  PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS TOO OFTEN  I SEE CITIZENS GETTING UP AND  AND PUTTING IN A CARD REAL  QUICK.  >> YOU CAN SCURRIED TO GET IT  DONE.  >> BUT THERE ARE TIMES DURING  GENERAL BUSINESS WHERE A  PUBLIC COMMENT OR MAKES A  COMMENT THAT YOU I FIND MYSELF  A COUPLE TIMES GOING TO DIDN'T  THINK OF THAT ONE WHEN IT'S A  GENERAL BUSINESS ITEM WE CAN  STILL TALK ABOUT. AND WE CAN  STILL HAVE CONTINUED  CONVERSATION BASED ON THAT  PUBLIC WHERE IT GETS TO BE A  STICKY WICKET IS WHEN I'M LIKE  A QUASI JUDICIAL OR IF IT'S  ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT  MAY PUBLIC HEARING THEN WE  HAVE TO VOTE TO REOPEN IT TO  HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND  THAT PROCESS IS IN PLACE SO  THAT IF WE DO HEAR PUBLIC  COMMENT OR BRING SOMETHING UP.  THAT WE WANT. ASK QUESTION OF  OR DIDN'T THINK OF THAT WE CAN  ASK TO HAVE BROUGHT BACK. YOU  KNOW REOPEN THAT HEARING SO SO  THAT WHAT I THINK IS PRETTY  WELL TAKEN CARE OF. AS FAR AS  A COMMISSION AGENDA, I'M  CITIZEN AGENDA ITEM I DO LIKE  THE IDEA OF HAVING A PROCESS  AND THIS WAY THEN THE CITIZENS  KNOW HEY I WANT TO PUT THIS  ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO HERE'S  THE PROCESS. CAN I GOT TO TALK  TO THE COMMISSIONER AND HAVE  THEM PUT IT ON THAT WAY THEN  WEEK IF WHETHER THEY'RE GOING  TO AS A COMMISSIONER THEY CAN  TELL THEM. OH BE TALKING ABOUT  THAT WE'RE WAITING FOR STAFF  TO BRING THIS BACK WE CAN FILL  THEM IN ON OR GO. YEAH THAT'S  A GREAT A SPONSOR THAT AGENDA  ITEM. IS NO POLICY FOR DENIAL  OF AGENDA ITEMS I KNOW  FIRSTHAND BECAUSE IT HAPPENED  TO ME NUMEROUS TIMES. SO I  DEFINITELY DO AGREE THAT WE  NEED TO HAVE THAT POLICY IN  PLACE. AND AS FAR AS THE  NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS. BEING  CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S KIND OF  SUBJECTIVE WHAT IS A  NONCONTROVERSIAL THING. I KNOW  EACH ONE US COMMISSIONERS HAVE  THE ABILITY TO PULL SOMETHING  FROM CONSENT FOR QUESTIONING  OR OR DISCUSSION.  >> AND A CITIZEN REACHES OUT  TO US AND SAYS HEY CONSENT  AGENDA. HE DID YOU KNOW ABOUT  THIS THAT COMMISSIONER CAN  PULL IT TO SHARE THAT  INFORMATION WITH SOMEBODY THAT  PART IS ALSO COVERED.  >> SO I DO SEE SOME THINGS  THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE POLICY  TO MAKE IT CLEAR FOR THE AND  POLICY AND I APPRECIATE  BRINGING UP THOSE ITEMS FOR  DISCUSSION SO THANK YOU. ALL  AND WE'RE GOING DOWN LIST HERE  WHICH IS JUST AT THAT STRATEGY  >> YEAH HOLDING PUBLIC COMMENT  PRIOR TO AGENDA AGAIN AS  SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN IN THAT  POSITION A LONG TIME DECADES  AGO. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT  IT'S BEING SAID FIRST BECAUSE  YOU PUT IT HARDEN YOU MAKE  YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN THE  DISCUSSION TAKES PLACE NEAR  CONTENT MY QUESTION'S WORDING  ANSWERED OR IT'S NOT RELEVANT.  ANYMORE. AND YOU JUST KIND OF  WASTED YOUR YOUR COMMENT TIME  TO TALK ABOUT A POINT IT'S  MOOT NOW SO. OCCURRING AS WE  DO NOW BEFORE VOTING, IT GETS  US A CHANCE TO YOU A CHANCE,  THE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO HEAR  SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF  MISINFORMATION AND THEY'RE  MAKING COMMENT AND I'VE HEARD  IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE SAYING  THINGS SAME ITSELF THAT'S NOT  RIGHT. AND THEN. THEY KIND OF  MADE A COMMENT FOR NOTHING  THEY COULD HAVE USED THAT TO  SAY SOMETHING ELSE. PLACEMENT  ON THE AGENDA REQUESTED BY A  MEMBER OF THE IT WAS A VICE  MAYOR, IT'S LIKE DISASTER  WAITING TO HAPPEN. BUT WE'RE  WE HAVE THAT ABILITY I JUST  IT'S JUST NOT A DEFINED  PROCESS, I'M THINKING OF IN  TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED OUT IN  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 RIGHT OUT  THERE IN THE EASTERN PART OF  TOWN WHERE PEOPLE WERE I THINK  THEY'RE PROBABLY CALLING ALL  OF ABOUT THEY WEREN'T BEING  PERMITTED TO BUILD A HOUSE OUT  THERE ANY MORE THAT CAME WITH  STUFF WE FIXED IT AND FACT  WHEN THEY DIDN'T HIRE COM PLAN  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT  FOR THAT SO IT IS IN PLACE,  IT'S JUST NOT A DEFINED  PROCESS BECAUSE I'M SAYING  BECAUSE I ALSO AND I'M SURE  EVERYBODY ELSE DOES GET PHONE  CALLS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T  SOMETHING'S GOING ON I DON'T  LIKE THIS AND IT'S SOMETHING  CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMETHING  I WE CAN'T BE SADDLED WITH  THINGS LIKE THAT UP HERE THAT  IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW  SOMETHING. WORKED FOR. WHAT  THE PROCESS WAS THERE THERE IS  A PROCESS FOR THE PROCESS. SO  I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF  THAT. DEFINING A PROCESS FOR  DENIAL. MAYBE THAT WOULD BE  THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.  COMMISSIONER DOUBT THAT MEANT  MENTIONED WHAT THE LAST THING  WAS BUT AGAIN I STILL DON'T  UNDERSTAND WHAT HOW THAT'S  BEEN A PROBLEM WITH ANYBODY  NONCONTROVERSIAL CONSENT ITEM  ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T I DO  NOW. SO HERE WE ARE. IMAGE  THAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD  TO THAT.  >> I THINK YOU BEAT THAT HORSE  TO DEATH  >> AND WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT  ON THAT.  >> ROBIN SIMMONS CENTER AND  ♪ ♪ >> THANK YOU. ABOUT THAT SAID  SOMETHING TO THE WRECKAGE. THE  WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE. ALLOWING  THE PUBLIC TO. HAVE THERE  COMMENTS ITS AND HEARD BEFORE  VOTE. IT'S BECAUSE MOST OF THE  TIME. WHENEVER WE SAY DOESN'T  GET INCLUDED IN YOUR VOTE.  JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION YOU  LISTEN TO A COMMONS VOTE. YOU  DON'T SOMETIMES TAKEN TO WHAT  WE'VE JUST PUT FORTH BEFORE  YOU. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE  SHOW UP AND MAKE A GENERAL  PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE  BEGINNING BECAUSE IT DOESN'T  PERTAIN TO MAYBE A SPECIFIC  AGENDA ITEM AND THEY SAY OH  SHOOT FORGOT I HAD ALL THIS TO  SAY ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA  ITEM. YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED  IT. AND KNOW AND WHATEVER THEY  GET UP THERE RUSHED THROUGH.  YOU DON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT AND  YOU CAN'T LOOK AT IT IS JUST  THIS BOARD. THIS IS NOT JUST  TO THIS BOARD AND AND THE CITY  MANAGER I'M IN CHARGE OF THE  OBJECT BECAUSE MAYBE THAT  WON'T WITH THE NEXT BOARD WHO  KNOWS IT'S NOT JUST THIS  BOARD. IT'S IT'S TO SET POLICY  TO HAVE SOME FORM OF TO GO  FORWARD TO ALLOW THE  CITIZENSHIP TO BE HEARD AND  NOT JUST PARTICULAR WORLD.  SECOND IS THE CRITERIA FOR  AGENDA ITEMS IT WAS. CITIZENS  CALLING THE COMMISSIONERS NOW  AND BRINGING FORTH ISSUES TO  YOUR ATTENTION AND YOU TO  PLEASE PUT IT ON AGENDA  BECAUSE IT'S MATTER OF CONCERN  TO THE CITIZENS. THAT'S WHAT I  MEANT TO CLARIFY THAT QUESTION  WE WANT TO PROCEDURE AND THEN  WITH YOU AND IT'S NOT I COULD  GET COMMISSION AS DON'T GIVE A  **** ABOUT IT AND THEY SAID  ALL. IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING  PUT IN SO IT'S SECURE. THAT  THERE'S AN ACTUAL POLICY. THE  NEXT THING IS.  >> AND THEN WHAT'S THE  RECOURSE IF IT DOESN'T GET PUT  ON THE AGENDA. WE CAN JUST  LOOK AT IT AS THIS PARTICULAR  BOARD. NEXT THING IS WHAT'S  NOT A CONTROVERSAL ON THE  CONSENT AGENDA. EXAMPLE, THE  SMITH HAVEN BROADWAY  EXTENSION. I WAS SNUCK IN  THERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.  COM AU THAT WAS A  CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND NO WAY  SHOULD BE PUT ON THE CONSENT  AGENDA AND I CAN'T TRUST THAT  THIS NEXT WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S  GOING TO ASKING US TO KEEP  TRUSTING BOARDS THAT CHANGE SO  OFTEN.  THIS PART IS GREAT. BUT I  DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT ONE  IS GOING TO THE WAR WHEN THE  CITY MATTER JUST GOING TO BE  WITH US AND IN CHARGE THE  AGENDA. I COULD J. SO THAT'S  THAT'S WHAT MY COMMENTS WERE  JUST PLEASE CONSIDER ALL THAT  IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS  PARTICULAR BOARD. WE WANT TO  BE HEARD AND HAVE SAY SO  THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS.  SO THANK ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.  >> CAN LIKE ROBIN PRETTY MUCH  NAILED THAT.  >> SOME OF PROBABLY WOULD HAVE  AND WE'VE DONE RESEARCH AND WE  THAT IF WE SPEAK YOU GUYS HAD  YOUR DISCUSSION. THERE'S  MINUTE CHANCE YOU MIGHT TAKE  OUR INFORMATION AFTER YOU'VE  HAD YOUR DISCUSSION WE SAID  HERE WE TALK WE CAN SEE THE  WHITES, THEIRS. YOU GUYS  FIGURED IT OUT YOU MADE UP  YOUR MIND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY  NO REASON FOR US TO SPEAK.  THERE'S TIMES WHAT IS IT THAT  WAY WE HAVE TO DISCUSS BUT  THERE ARE TIMES AND MAYBE THE  ANSWER IS HEY THIS IS A REAL  CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE. YOU GET  ONE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD YOU  WANT BEFORE WE TALK OR DO YOU  WANT AFTER WE TALK DOESN'T  HAVE TO BE EVERY TIME THE 3  MINUTES BEFORE 3 MINUTES AFTER  ITS 3 MINUTES. I SAID THERE  ARE TIMES WHEN CITIZENS PUT  TIME AND RESEARCH AT AND AFTER  YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED AND AFTER  THE WHOEVER'S OVER THERE  TALKING IS YOU GUYS YOU WE CAN  SEE IT AND IT'S JUST IT'S IT'S  BEEN A LONG NIGHT YOU GUYS ARE  OVER. SO SOMETIMES WE THINK  THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET A  QUESTION ANSWERED. YOU KNOW  WHAT I YES THAT'S KIND OF  WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT I JUST.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU  ♪ ♪ >> AGAIN LOOKING FOR A MOTION.  FOR SOMETHING HERE.  >> I'M THINKING AND BRAVE  MIGHT WANT TO PICK OFF ONE OF  TO TAKE A SHOT COUPLE THEM. I  MAKE A MOTION TO INSTRUCT CITY  CLERK. TO DEFINE A PROCESS FOR  PLACEMENT OF AN ITEM ON AGENDA  REQUESTED BY A MEMBER OF THE  PUBLIC.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON  AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER.  >> MCDOWELL OR THE CLERK, 2 TO  FIND A PROCESS FOR PLACEMENT  OF AN ITEM ON IN AGENDA  REQUESTED BY A MEMBER OF THE  PUBLIC. THAT THAT.  >> OKAY GET THE SHOT ONE MORE  ABOUT I IT'S IT'S GOOD ON THAT  ONE  >> AND THEN THAT'S THAT'S 5 TO  0.  >> GO AHEAD COUNT HERE SO I I  THINK WE HAVE A PRACTICE BUT.  I DO WE SHOULD REQUEST CITY  CLERK TO DEFINE A PROCESS. 4.  MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME  WORDSMITH THING BUT TO FIND A  PROCESS. OR JUST KEEP SLIGHT  CAN THINK OF THE RIGHT WORDS.  DEFINE A PROCESS FOR WHEN  COMMISSIONERS A GENDER REQUEST  IS DENIED BY CITY MANAGER.  PROCESS.  >> SHOULD THEY GO THROUGH 4.  REVIEW OF I THINK THAT  PRACTICE SINCE THEY CAN BRING  IT TO A COMMISSION MEETING SO  STOP HIM YOU WANT THAT. RIGHT  NOW, YEAH. SECOND THAT.  >> MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON AND SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR STOWE SAYS CITY CLERK WE  HEAR WHAT YOU CAPTURED FOR  THAT. TODAY THE CITY OR TO  DEFINE PROCESS FOR.  >> COMMISSION TO REQUEST  PLACEMENT OF AN AGENDA. ITEM  DENIED BY THE CITY MANAGER.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON MADE  MOTION SECOND THAT I'M SORRY  OKAY, VICE MAYOR COMMISSION DO  WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.  VOTE ON THAT.  >> THOSE ARE THE 2 THAT I'M  COMFORTABLE WITH.  >> AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.  >> PROCESS, OKAY, WE HAVE WHAT  THE PROCESS ANYTHING ELSE AND  THAT I YIELD OKAY. ANYBODY  ELSE WANT TO TAKE THAT THING  >> TAKE ACTION ON IS THAT  PUBLIC COMMENT PRIOR TO AGENDA  ITEM BEING DISCUSSED. ABOUT  >> MAKE MOTION TO DIRECT CITY  CLERK, 2. EXPLORE. THE  POSSIBILITY. ALSO ALLOWING.  PUBLIC SPEAKERS. TO IDENTIFY  WHEN THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR  PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA  ITEM BEFORE OR AFTER  COMMISSION DISCUSSIONS.  >> A SECOND THAT FOR  DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR WHEN PUBLIC  COMMENT IS HELD. ON THE AGENDA  ITEM BEFORE. HAVING THE CHOICE  OF BEFORE AFTER RIGHT AND  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SECOND  THAT THAT DISCUSSION AND AND  MY DISCUSSION WOULD BE AND I  KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENED TO ME.  >> THAT WHEN WE GET PUBLIC  COMMENT JUST BEFORE WE'VE  LOVED. THAT'S SOME INTERESTING  POINTS COME UP. AND AS HE USED  A SECOND DISCUSSION.  >> KIND OF EXPLORE POINTS. SO  SO I THINK THERE IS A WAY AND  THE NORMAL FLOW OF A MEETING  TO INCORPORATE COMMENTS AND  THAT HAS HAPPENED TO ME IN THE  PAST. SO. I DON'T FOR ME I I  DON'T KNOW THAT IT REQUIRES.  >> ANY ACTION.  >> I I DON'T THINK I JUST  WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT  THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY. LET'S  >> NOW THAT WELL THANK MISTER  MUCH GO AGREE WITH WHAT THE  PUBLIC COMMENTER HEADSET ABOUT  GOING BUT FOR YOU AND FOR THE  DISCUSSION.  >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT SHOULD  BE UP TO. THE CITIZEN TO SAY  EITHER OR WE PUT IN PLACE IF  WE MOVE IT FROM BEHIND.  >> TO FORWARD EVERYBODY DOES  IT PRIOR TO OUR DISCUSSION  THIS WAY WE GET THEIR INPUT IF  THEY WANT CHANCE THAT FOR  DECISIONS. THEY CAN ALWAYS DO  THAT TALE OF THE MEETING AFTER  EVERYTHING IS ALL SAID AND  DONE, BUT WE GET THEIR INPUT  BUT OUR DISCUSSION. I THINK  THAT'S MORE FAIR TO THE  PUBLIC.  >> OKAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE  MOTION THAT WAS MADE  >> WITH GORE BUT HE SAYS  THAT'S PART OF THIS COME IT'S  PART OF DISCUSSION HE SAYS YOU  THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION I'M  NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT I  WOULD RATHER HAVE IT SET IN  STONE EITHER PRIOR OR AFTER 4  AND OKAY. VICE MAYOR ON WANT  TO YES.  >> I COULD MAKE A STRONG  ARGUMENT. FOR PUBLIC COMMENT  BEING OR BEFORE. COMMISSION  DISCUSSION. LET'S FACE IT  THERE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE I MY  REASONS FOR IT WAS BETTER TO  BE DISCUSSION BECAUSE. YOU  KNOW ONE OF MY ANSWER CITIZENS  QUESTIONS ARE READY TO IT MAY  HELP TO MAKE A MORE POINTED OR  A MORE FOCUSED POINT WHEN THEY  GET UP 3 MINUTES AT THE SAME  TIME. THERE'S VALUE IN THE  PUBLIC IN A CITIZEN BEING ABLE  MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND  ASKED SOME QUESTIONS HOW MANY  TIMES HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTERS  MAKE POINTS QUESTIONS ABOUT  SOMETHING. IN COULDN'T BE  ADDRESSED. AND WE DO REALLY  GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVEN  THOUGH COMMISSIONER LANGDON  MAKE A COMMENT. IN A SECOND ON  A MOTION WE COULD BOEING  TYPICALLY DON'T AND SOMETIMES  IT'S GOOD ANSWER THOSE  QUESTIONS SO I REALLY. SEE THE  VALUE BOTH. I CAN SEE  MECHANICALLY. IT'S MORE  CUMBERSOME BUT WE HAVE LED.  THIS ENTIRE AREA IN BEING THE  MOST INCLUSIVE WHEN IT COMES  TO PUBLIC COMMENT THINK YOU GO  ANY OTHER COUNTY COMMISSION UL  CITY NOBODY WHAT WE DO WE LET  PEOPLE TALK AT THE BEGINNING  WE LET THEM TALK EVERY ATTEND  LITTLE TALK AT THE IT'S LIKE  SO. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT GOING  ONE STEP FURTHER WHEN THEY  TURN IN THEIR CALLING CARD. IT  KNOWS ON AGENDA ITEM. TOO  WE'RE AFTER IT WOULDN'T ADD  SOME TIME IT WOULD WOULD MAKE  IT A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME  MAYBE IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA I  YOU KNOW THAT'S IT IS THAT I  CAN SEE VALUE OF BOTH THAT'S  KIND OF WHAT I WANTED YOU  KNOW, OKAY CITY CLERK TO COME  BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS  AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO SAY  AND  >> THEY NEED AND MORE ON THE  OTHER HAND IF YOU RECALL  PREVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T I DIDN'T  MANAGE TO PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS  OVER HERE THEY WERE MANAGED BY  THE MAYOR.  ♪ SEPARATE EACH AGENDA BEFORE  AND AFTER AND HAVING THEM OVER  HERE AND MONITORING COLLECTING  CARS THROUGHOUT MEETING THAT'S  A LOT A LOT ME THOUGH TENSION  ♪ >> YEAH.  >> MUCH KNEW.  >> HE SHOULD BE OFF AND  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH,  CITY CLERK BEAT ME TO THE  PUNCH. BUT I'M GOING TO REMIND  TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER.  >> SO IF WE HAVE A LOT OF  CITIZENS CHAMBERS AND WE'RE  DISCUSSING A VERY HOT TOPIC  AND SOME OF THE CITIZENS WANT  TO SPEAK BEFORE THEN THEY GET  ALL CLEARED THEY DO THEY'RE  SPEAKING AND THEN WE HAVE OUR  DISCUSSION IMMEDIATELY. I  DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK HOW COME I  DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK.  >> WELL YOU'VE CHECKED AFTER  ALL NO I WANT TO TALK NOW I  DON'T WANT TO TALK AFTER SO I  SEE A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE SO  WHATEVER YOU DECIDE PLEASE  PICK EITHER BEFORE AFTER AND.  I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR  THIS DECISION I CAN TELL YA  HAVING THE PUBLIC COMMENT  AFTER OUR DISCUSSION BECAUSE I  SET OUT THERE MANY MANY  MEETINGS AND GAVE MANY PUBLIC  COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO SAY  BUT BASED ON THE WHOLE  CONVERSATION IT TOTALLY  SWITCHED AROUND AND IT WAS A  MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE PUBLIC  COMMENT BASED ON WHAT I HEARD  THEN TALKING ABOUT AND  PRESENTATION FROM STAFF SO ALL  RIGHT YOU MIGHT WANT KEEP THE  PUBLIC COMMENT THE WAY THAT IT  IS RIGHT NOW. LIKE THEM.  >> YEAH, I MEAN THAT THE ONLY  THOUGHT I HAD AS WE HAVE A  VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN  THE WORLD WHO ARE INTERESTED  IN EXPLORING MASK. CITY CLERK  DO YOU SEE ANY WAY THAT WE  MIGHT GET EXPANDED COMMUNITY  AND PUT EITHER SOME ADVISORY  GROUPS I DON'T KNOW IT THERE  ANY WAY WE COULD REACH OF TO A  BROADER AUDIENCE. A SURVEY ON  OUR JUST TOSSING OUT YEARS.  BUT AGAIN I WOULD AGREE EVEN  BEFORE AFTER NOT, SO IT WOULD  JUST UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT A  NIGHTMARE THAT WOULD FOR  HANDLING A.  >> I MISSING SOMETHING BUT YOU  KNOW.  >> WE'RE EXACTLY WHERE GO WITH  THAT'S WHEN WERE.  >> DISCUSSING. MINERAL SPRINGS  AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER  CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS.  >> DID NOT THE PUBLIC GET OUT  AT THE BEGINNING OF MEETING  AND.  >> GO ON FOR THEIR 3 MINUTES  PERSON AFTER PERSON AFTER  PERSON AFTER PERSON ON ON A  SUBJECT THAT WAS YOU SO THERE  IS THE OPPORTUNITY.  >> IN ADVANCE JUST THAT  ANYTHING DIFFERENT PLACE JUST  A DIFFERENT PLACE AT THE  BEGINNING OF THE AND THEY COME  BACK AGAIN, I'M NOT A GEN ON  AGENDA ITEM BUT IT'S BEFORE WE  VOTE. DISCUSSIONS, SO IT SEEMS  TO ME THAT THERE IS MORE IS  THE ABILITY FOR SOMEONE TO  SPEAK BEFORE AND RIGHT SO  CHOOSE CITY CLERK CORRECT,  YEAH, RIGHT, THERE'S PUBLIC  COMMENT YOU CAN ABOUT ANY  AGENDA ITEM OR ANYTHING IT'S  JUST ABOUT ANYTHING COME OUT  AGAIN ON BRAKE AREA GO THEY  BELIEVE INCORRECT YOUR MOTION  WAS DO WE HAVE A MOTION  YESTERDAY ACTION AND THAT WAS  MADE BY VICE MAYOR FOR EITHER  OR AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  WHOM AND LIKE RIGHT  >> HAPPY TO HAVE MADE THIS  MOTION.  ♪ ♪ >> UPDATES YOUR SLIP THROUGH.  >> COMMISSIONER INC. NO NEED  SO.  >> OKAY AND THEN SAYS TUFTS  COMMISSIONER ALL SHOULD NOT  THAT I'M SURE ALL RIGHT. THEM  REPORT.  >> DID WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING  FOR THAT NON ON SERVERS FEEL  CONTENT AGENDA ITEM CRITERIA.  MY QUESTION WOULD BE HOW IS  CONTROVERSY DEAL TIME I THINK  THAT WOULD BE THAT THE PROBLEM  CITY YOU. WELL KNOW THIS OR  NOW. NOT OKAY SO DO NOT THINK  WE'RE NOT OKAY. WE DO WITH THE  MOTIONS FOR THAT ONE. GUESS  OKAY. AS YOU'VE TO AT. 24 DASH  1, 3, 5, 9, THIS  >> A MEETING CHANGE HERE  CLERK, THIS IS YOUR ITEMS.  SAYS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION TO CANCEL THE CITY  COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING ON  DECEMBER 5TH 2024 AND THE  SCHEDULE, A CITY COMMISSION  SPECIAL MEETING ON DECEMBER  9TH 2024. THIS IS DUE TO A  CONFLICT WITH THE DECEMBER 5TH  MEETING AND THE FLORIDA LEAGUE  OF CITIES LEGISLATIVE  CONFERENCE WHICH IS GOING TO  BE FROM DECEMBER TO 6  >> ALL  >> RIGHT SO THIS IS JUST THE  CHANGE IN OUR.  >> MEETING SCHEDULE. SO DO WE  HAVE ANY. QUESTIONS ON THAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YES,  SO.  >> DECEMBER 5TH IS OUR  THURSDAY RECOGNITION AND IT'S  BEING REQUESTED TO CHANGE IT 9  TO THE 9. WHEN THERE IS NO ME  IT'S A MONDAY. BUT YOU GUYS DO  HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR  THE 10TH AT 10:00AM. SO WHY  NOT HAVE IT ON THE SAME DAY AS  THE TENT. EITHER AT 09:00AM OR  04:00PM INSTEAD OF HAVING A  MEETING ON MONDAY THE AND THEN  COMING BACK. MEETING ON THE  9TH FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND THEN  COMING BACK TUESDAY, THE 10TH.  >> FOR COMMISSION WE DO HAVE A  COMMISSION WORKSHOP ON THE 9TH  AS WELL.  >> I DON'T EITHER SECOND.  WORKSHOPS ON SECOND.  >> A SECOND SEPTEMBER.  >> OKAY AND THAT THERE IS NO  MEETING YOU'RE CORRECT.  >> MY SUGGESTION IS INSTEAD OF  THE 9TH MAKE IT THE 10TH BUT  JOBSITE I'M NOT GOING TO BE  YOU BUT MY UP. THANKS WRECK  >> THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY  I WOULD DIS TO CITY MANAGER ON  IT IS. YOU KNOW THE  RECOGNITION MEETING SET FOR  CLOCKS WERE SET 4 O'CLOCK I  WOULD ASSUME ASSUME PARTIALLY.  >> BECAUSE IT DOVETAILS WITH  WORK SCHEDULES OF PEOPLE HAVE  ABILITY COME AND BE HERE TO  HELP RECOGNIZE EACH OTHER. IT  YOU TO THE NEXT DAY 4. MIGHT  WORK, BUT ALSO IF WE HAVE HAVE  MEETING.  >> ON THAT ON THE 10TH.  >> CLEARLY IT IS POSSIBLE WE  WOULD RUN WAITED TO DO. MEAN  WE HAVE MEETINGS DAY AFTER DAY  WHICH I DO SEE A BIG DEAL.  JUST MOVING IT TO THAT DAY 2  AT 4 O'CLOCK I MEAN UNLESS  ANYBODY SEES ANOTHER REASON  YOU KNOW MAKE IT I'M CERTAIN  FORWARD TO THE YEAH COULD BUT  IT JUST DISRUPTS MEETING IF.  >> AND WHAT IF WE FINISH OUR  REGULAR MEETING ATTEND EARLY  AND AND YOU KNOW WE'RE COMING  BACK 3 HOURS LATER JUST SEEMS  LIKE WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.  >> DON'T THIS TO.  >> POINT SENATOR 10TH IS THE  LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR SO  IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A QUICK  ONE AND DONE KIND THING IS  GOING TO BE GOOD WELL HEAR IT  JUST WHAT.  >> WHAT DO MAKE A MOTION GO  AHEAD MOVE TO CANCEL A CITY  COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING ON  12/5/2024 TO SCHEDULE, A CITY  COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING ON  PM.  >> I MOTION MADE BY VICE  STOVES TO CANCEL THE CITY  COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING ON  DECEMBER THAT AND THERESA AND  HIS SCHEDULE ON DECEMBER. THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON DO HAVE THAT NOW I  THING OUT VOTE ON THAT AND  THAT PASSES 5 TO HEAR  >> ALL RIGHT TO 10 MINUTE THAT  THIS OKAY SO 10 MINUTES HE 56  AND WE'RE COMING  >> IT IS 1156 AND WE HAVE  CONTINUING ITEM 24 DASH 1, 3,  8, 9, CITY MANAGER THIS IS  YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM WHAT'S  SPECIAL ABOUT SO IT IS THE MAN  OR THE WOMAN AGREED TO SEX  NUMBER 2 THE CITY COMMISSION  MUST CONDUCT A PERFORMANCE  EVALUATION. THE CITY MANAGER  ANNUALLY DURING THE MONTH OF  SEPTEMBER AT A PUBLIC MEETING.  I'M VERY PROUD SAY THAT WE  CONTINUE REPUTATION  RELATIONSHIP STATEWIDE AND  THAT WAS IS AT THE ICE TURNED  PRO. IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR  PEOPLE TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WHAT  WE DO WHAT WE'RE DOING AND I  CAN TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE  AROUND THE STATE ARE TAKING  NOTICE. THINK THAT WOULD GO TO  THE COMMISSION EVALUATE IT  BACK AS APPRECIATE THINGS THAT  DON'T ACCOMPLISH AS A TEAM. IN  ORDER THANK YOU FOR  RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF THE  OF EXPERIENCE AS YOUR CITY  LAST 3 YEARS. I LIKE TO THANK  ALL OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT  IS EVERYONE INCLUDING NO ONE  FOR THE AMAZING. THANK YOU  EVERY SINGLE DAY TO TAKE CARE  OF ALL OF OUR CITIZENS. THEY  ARE HONOR TO WORK ALONGSIDE  EACH AND EVERY SINGLE DAY.  ALSO THANK ALL THE RECOGNIZE  UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THIS  JOB AND THE RULE OF OUR  COMMISSIONERS WE CONTINUE TO  GROW UP AS A CITY. I KNOW IT'S  TOUGH LEARNED THAT YOU'RE  DOING THE RIGHT THINGS THAT  WERE TAKEN ACTION BY TAKING A  LEGACY PROJECTS. SO WE'RE GLAD  TO SEE THAT WE ARE BALL TO  ALIGN OUR CITY STREAMS TO GO  TO SO RICHLY DESERVE LOOK  FORWARD TO CHALLENGES THAT  WINDS BUT THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT AS WE MOVE ON TO UPCOMING  FISCAL YEAR. MAYBE THAT TO BE  THIS YEAR WAS GOING TO BE A  BIG YEAR 65TH ANNIVERSARY AND  AS WE ARE EXPERIENCING WEATHER  EVENT RIGHT NOW DID NOT  DISAPPOINT BUT WE WILL TAKING  SHOWINGS AGE WHEN YOU MOVE  FORWARD WITH A TIME. OKAY.  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. FIRST  OFF I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.  MISTER FLETCHER FOR EVERYTHING  THAT YOU'VE DONE. YOU KNOW  THROUGHOUT THESE PAST 3 YEARS.  >> I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN A FEW  NOTES THAT I WANT TO SHARE  WITH EVERYBODY THAT. I'VE WITH  THE CITY FOR ABOUT. 26 YEARS.  WORKING AND ON THE STYLUS AND  AND THOSE 26 YEARS YOU HAVE  BEEN THE MOST ACTIVE CITY  MANAGER ENGAGING WITH THE  COMMUNITY. AND NEIGHBORING  MUNICIPALITIES AND ALWAYS  GOING TO ENGAGE WITH CITIZENS  THAT I'VE SEEN AND THOSE 26  YEARS. YOU'RE CONSTANTLY  TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH CITIZENS  TO GIVE THEM CORRECT  INFORMATION VIA LIKE JOHN  RAWLINGS WKBW 97.5 RADIO SHOW  FREE PLUG FOR YOU THERE JOHN.  CHAMBER OF CITY THAT'S NORTH  PORT FORWARD THAT'S YOU SELF  AND THIS YEAR COFFEE AND  CONVERSATIONS WITH THE  CITIZENS, THE MAYOR AND STAFF.  YOU KNOW THE LIST JUST GOES ON  AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN  CREATED SINCE YOU'VE HERE TO  GET UP. CORRECT WORDS OUT TO  THE CITIZENS. THROUGH YOUR  BUDGET PROCESS YOU KEPT THE  MILLAGE RATE WITH NO INCREASE  FOR LAST 3 YEARS. YOU TOOK THE  CHALLENGE EVERYONE REWRITING  THE ULDC WHICH HAD BEEN IN THE  WORKS FOR DECADES. AND  COMPLETED WITHIN YOUR SHORT  AND YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB  WITH THE RECOVERY EFFORTS FOR  HURRICANE IAN WITH A LITTLE  HELP FROM YOUR MAYOR YES, I'M  MAKING STAND OUT FROM OTHER  COMMUNITIES AFFECTED MAKING  SURE CLEANUP. EFFORTS WORKED  FAST. AND EFFECTIVE. YOU ALSO  IMPORT FOR YOUR STAFF AND  LEADING THEM BY EXAMPLE TO BE  THE BEST THEY CAN POSSIBLY BE.  IT SHOWS. THE CITY OF PORT HAS  PROGRESSED BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS  UNDER MISTER PLEASURES AND  JUST THANK YOU SIR. I THANK  MUCH AND  >> VICE-MAYOR SOAPS YES WELL I  WILL NOT REITERATE ALL THE  ACCOMPLISHMENTS COMMISSIONER  EMRICH SLATE OUT WHAT I WILL  SAY IS THAT. WORKED WITH.  LITERALLY HUNDREDS.  >> OF EXECUTIVES CEOS CFOS.  CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD'S  PRESIDENTS OF COMPANIES LARGE  AND SMALL MEDIUM SIZE AROUND  THIS COUNTRY. I HAVE RARELY IF  EVER MET A LEADER. LIKE OUR  PRESENT CITY MANAGER. HE'S  PULLED YES EDITION. HE LEADS  THAT'S WHAT LEADERS DO THEY  LEAD OUT FOR. SAID EXAMPLE.  >> THEY IF  >> ARE MISTER FLETCHER AS IN  MY OPINION MADE US VERY VERY  PROUD. HE HAS HELD PORT.  BECOME THE CITY IN FLORIDA  THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT AND  THIS CITY WILL LOOK BACK.  YEARS FROM NOW. AND SEE THIS  IS A PIVOTAL POINT AND SEE THE  VALUE THAT THAT HE BROUGHT TO  THIS CITY. SO. ALL I CAN SAY  IS THANK YOU. WHAT YOU DO FOR  OUR CITY BECAUSE YOU ARE TRULY  TRULY APPRECIATED BY THOSE WHO  KNOW YOU. AND BY THOSE I WOULD  ENCOURAGE THEM TO LOOK A  LITTLE CLOSER AND SEE THE  VALUE BECAUSE. GOING FORWARD  VERY FEW WILL MEASURE UP.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. THANK YOU MADAM  MAYOR. START BY SAYING OUR  CITY MANAGER IS NOT PERFECT  IT. HARD AS HE I THINK HE AND  I TALKED REGULAR BASIS. ABOUT  BUT A I SHOULD SAY YOU THIS IS  BUT WE DO HAVE REGULAR  CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AREAS OF  IMPROVEMENT. BUT I'VE GOT TO  SAY IN THE 3 YEARS THAT I'VE  WORKED WITH MISTER FLETCHER.  >> SO MANY LEGACY ISSUES THAT  HAVE PLAGUED THE CITY AND  REALLY LEMON  >> OUR GROWTH THAT AND BE  CALMING. THE POWERHOUSE THAT  WE ARE BECOMING THESE DAYS.  >> THERE ARE JUST SO MANY OF  THEM THE WIDENING OF PRICE.  THE BRINGING FINALLY A PATH  FORWARD FOR WON THE MINERAL  SPRINGS. WE HAVE 4 HOSPITALS  COMING TO THE CITY AND I CAN  GO ON AND ON BUT I AREAS OF  PROGRESS AND ACHIEVEMENT ARE  JUST SPECTACULAR BUT EVEN MORE  THAN THAT. SHARON HAS BUILT  STRONG DEDICATED AND HIGHLY  EXPERIENCED TEAM OF  PROFESSIONALS THAT IT SEEMS  THAT EVERY SINGLE MEETING ONE  OR 2 DEPARTMENTS ARE GETTING  AN AWARD INDIVIDUAL STAFF  MEMBERS ARE GETTING AN AWARD  INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEMBERS ARE  GETTING CREDENTIALED IT'S  THAT'S HIGH BAR AND. A CULTURE  THAT REALLY REWARDS HARD WORK  AND ACHIEVEMENT. AND THEN MY  MIND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY  LEADERSHIP AND. I ENJOY  WORKING WITH JEROME I CAN  REMEMBER YEARS VICE PRESIDENT  SAYING TO BE BARBER. HE SAID  YEARS FROM NOW NO ONE'S GOING  TO REMEMBER WHAT YOU  ACCOMPLISHED. THEY WILL  REMEMBER HOW YOU MADE THEM  FEEL AND I HAVE REALLY ENJOYED  OUT WORKING RELATIONSHIP. ALL  RIGHT OUR ONE ON ONES WE JUST  TALK ABOUT SO MANY DIFFERENT  THINGS THAT OUR VISION FOR THE  CITY AND AND WHAT MIGHT BE  POSSIBLE THANK YOU, WE ALL  MADE A REALLY GOOD DECISION  WHEN WE  >> NEXT STEP IN THE YES, I CAN  I'M SOMEONE WHO. AND ALSO SAY  HAVEN'T BEEN HERE FOR DECADES  AND THAT THROUGH MY SHERIFF  COMMISSION MEETINGS WAY THAT  WHEN AND WHEN THE CITY GOT A  CITY MANAGER FORM HOW. THINGS  HAVE UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF  CITY MANAGER FLETCHER AND AND.  NEVER REALIZE THINGS THAT  HAPPENED THAT THAT QUICKLY  PEOPLE SAY GOVERNMENT MOVES SO  SLOWLY PORT WAS THE POSTER  CHILD FOR THAT THINGS JUST  DIDN'T DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND FOR  THE MOST PART THAT I CAN  UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WERE  DIFFICULT. ISSUES THAT SHOULD  HAVE BEEN HANDLED THAT WE  HAVE. BUT FOR AND CITY MANAGER  HAS COME UP WITH IDEAS AND  PLANS TO GET THESE THINGS DONE  THAT WAS JUST MENTIONED AND  IT'S VERY NICE FOR YOU TO CALL  THEM LEGACY PROJECT, BUT I  THINK THAT IS. KIND TO BUT I  DON'T LOOK AT IT AS THESE ARE  PROJECTS THAT COMMISSIONS WANT  TO TACKLE BECAUSE THEY WORK  GOING TO BE CONTENTIOUS AND  NOT OVERALL IT'S A COMMUNITY  BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO  THOSE HEARTS THINGS. I WANTED  TO REALLY FOCUS IT WAS ALL HAD  TO I GUESS RATE CITY MANAGER  ON BUT THE ONE THAT THAT  RESONATES WITH ME OF COURSE IS  COMMUNITY RELATIONS BECAUSE  I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT GETTING  OUT THERE AND AND MEETING  PEOPLE IN DOING LETS PEOPLE  FROM MY JUNIOR CHEF COOKING  CLASSES TO KIDS ANY AND  WORKING WITH PEOPLE. I I JUST  LOVE ALL THESE IDEAS THAT CAME  FORTH SUCH AS THE PORT UNITED  TOURS AT NUMBER. SEEING CITY  COMMISSION OR THE CITY DO  SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR. AND A  NONPROFIT GROUP JUST SHOWS  THAT COLLABORATION THAT CAN BE  DONE AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF  OUR. RESIDENTS BECAUSE NOT  PROFITS IF THEY ARE RESIDENTS  WHO WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND  THAT'S THAT'S HOW THEY ARE  THEY'RE GETTING INVOLVED. AND  ALSO WHEN WE HAD THOSE TOURS  HAVE ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS  OUT THERE JUST REALLY  AVAILABLE AND 6 O'CLOCK AT  NIGHT AND THEY'RE THERE TO  QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE SO  RESPECTFUL. I JUST THINK THAT  IT'S GREAT. THE UNVEILING OF  THE CITY'S FIRST EVER NATIONAL  RESOURCE DIVISION ENGINE JUST  HAPPENED WE HAD WE HAD A  SERIES OF PUBLIC GATHERINGS TO  COME AND ASK QUESTIONS OF  HERE'S HERE'S THE MAKEUP OF  THAT DIVISION ASKING YOUR  QUESTIONS PUT IT OUT THERE.  AGAIN I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING  LIKE THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.  COFFEE AND CONVERSATION AS ONE  OF OCTOBER BUT AGAIN, AND  THOSE ARE BEING HELD THAT ARE  LOCAL BUSINESSES TO PROMOTE  THOSE BUSINESSES BUT ALSO YOU  KNOW DON'T WE HAVE THERE BUT  IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY  TO TALK WITH US AND A CASUAL  SETTING. BUT THIS COMING HERE  IS STILL INTIMIDATING.  ♪ AND AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS  BEEN ON THE LOCAL RADIO  STATION. I HAVE NEVER KNOWN  ANY OTHER FORMER CITY MANAGER  HAVE DONE THAT. AND NOW THAT  PORT UNIVERSITY AGAIN BRINGING  PEOPLE IN TO TO LEARN ABOUT  WHERE THEY LIVE AND HOW THEY  CAN BECOME MORE INVOLVED  UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS WHICH  IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I  THINK THAT'S WHERE WE FIND  MOST OF THE DISCONNECT WHEN  PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE  PROCESS AND OF COURSE YOU'RE  GOING TO BECOME VERY DEFENSIVE  AND AN ANGRY WHEN YOU DON'T  UNDERSTAND SOMETHING SO THE  BETTER THAT PEOPLE CAN  UNDERSTAND THINGS THE LESS  ANGER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU  KNOW I JUST AGAIN I JUST CAN'T  JUST ECHOING WHAT COMMISSIONER  AMBER SAID HAS VERY LONG TIME  JUST THE SPEED IN WHICH THINGS  HAVE HAPPENED AND PUT FORWARD  AND I WAS AT THE BUSINESS. THE  OTHER DAY I WON'T SAY WHO IT  IS, BUT THEY THEY STARTED  THEIR BUSINESS I ASKED THEM  WELL HOW DID THAT PROCESS GO  AND THEY JUST THAT CITY WAS  GREAT THE CITY WAS GREAT NOT A  RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT HOW IT  ALWAYS JUST DEBATE IT USED TO  PAY YOU INSTEAD TRYING OPEN A  BUSINESS AND I MENTION THIS  BEFORE I HAD A COFFEE CAFE  THAT I STARTED IN THE MID 90'S  AND IT WAS JUST.  >> YOU HAVE TO DO AND YOU DO  KNOW YOU REALLY HAVE TO DO  THIS IT WAS CRAZY TO HEAR  SOMEBODY SAY THAT AND THEY  DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS WHICH  IS GREAT SOMETIMES I CAN STAY  UNDER THE RADAR. AND THEY SAID  IT WAS JUST GREAT WORKING WITH  THE CITY WE HAVE JUST COME SO  FAR I JUST REALLY.  >> I'M SO THRILLED WITH WHAT'S  GOING ON IN THE WESTPORT SO  ON.  >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY I  THINK THAT'S YES. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL OUT YEAH. IT'S NO  SURPRISE THAT MY VALUATION IS  POLAR OPPOSITE THAN EVERYBODY  ELSE'S. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT  THAT THE CITY MANAGER DID NOT  APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I WAS  REFERRED TO AS THAT. MINORITY.  MANY TIMES IN PREVIOUS  CONVERSATIONS. THE MINORITY OF  THE COMMISSION. I MY FELLOW  CITIZENS AND THE VOTERS TO  READ MY EVALUATION, IT'S IN  THE BACKUP MATERIALS AND ALSO  COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS 3  EVALUATIONS AND I HAVE GIVEN  TO THE CITY MANAGER AND IF  THEY'D LIKE TO TAKE IT A STEP  FURTHER I HAVE ALL OF THE  FACTS AVAILABLE TO BACK UP MY  ENTIRE VALUATIONS EVERY SINGLE  ONE OF THEM.  >> VICE MAYOR YES, WELL I  THINK NOW WE'RE TO THE MEAT OF  MATTER. IT'S A TALK ABOUT.  INCREASED KIND OF BEEN  INCREASING. WE'RE GOING TO SO  I DON'T HEAR FOR OUR CITY  MANAGER. I I DIDN'T WANT  RAISE. I WANTED TO RAISE ONE  ISSUE FOR US TO THINK ABOUT  AND 2 I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME  INFORMATION. THAT MIGHT HELP  US MAKE UP A WISE DECISION  HERE. FIRST AND FOREMOST WE  ARE OBVIOUSLY WE ALL EARLIER  IN THIS EVENING DISCUSSED. THE  FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE  TO FIND OURSELVES AND HIRED A  NEW CITY ATTORNEY WITH THE  RANGE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.  YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT  COMPENSATION LEVEL THAT VERY  WELL MAY PLACE OR CITY  ATTORNEY. WAS AHEAD O CITY AND  SO YOU KNOW JUST HAVE SOME  BACKGROUND INFORMATION I DON'T  KNOW IF ANY OTHER  COMMISSIONERS TELL BUT YOU  KNOW OUR CITY MANAGER ONE CAME  ON BOARD A LITTLE UNDER PAR.  BUT IS SITTING AT 2.15. 4.60  ANNUALLY. CITY VENICE. CITY  MANAGER MAKES $243,523. CITY  OF SARASOTA 226,075.  ADDITIONAL CAR ALLOWANCE TOWN  OF K 217,008 44 CITY OF FORT  MYERS TO 56 3.29 CITY CAPE  CORAL. 2.80 FOG CITY OF  BRADENTON TO 32 WAS SARASOTA  COUNTY TO SAID THE 700. WE  COUNTY 270 YOU KNOW THAT. WHAT  THE COPS LOOK LIKE OUT THERE.  YOU KNOW I THINK WE NEED TO  CONSIDER A LITTLE HOW WE'RE  GOING TO RIGHT SIZE IN LIGHT  OF THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW.  PERSONALLY DON'T WHICH CITY  ATTORNEY SHOULD MAKE MORE CITY  MANAGER I BELIEVE THE CITY  MANAGER HAS A SUBSTATE DONE AN  INCREDIBLE JOB. AND SO YOU  KNOW THOSE ARE SOME THOUGHTS I  HAD I KNOWN. KNOW WHERE WE  NEED TO BE ON THIS BUT I JUST  WANT TO SHARE THIS  INFORMATION'S FRAME OF  REFERENCE FOR EVERYBODY SO  WELL. YOU KNOW WHAT SOMEBODY  ELSE SPEAKING. SEE WHAT  EVERYBODY THINKS.  >> COMMISSIONER I GOT YES I  WAS WONDERING IT'S ON THIS  CHRISTINE FROM HR HAS CURRENT  SALARY. AVAILABLE.  >> GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD  CHRISTINE MCDADE HUMAN  RESOURCES DIRECTOR. I HAVE  215,460.  >> I'M SORRY TO 15 FOR 60 TO  15. 2,460 THANK YOU VERY VICE  MAYOR SHE ATE YOU DOING LEG  WORK ON THE RESEARCH AS TO  COMPARABLE CITIES. ARE PAYING  THEIR CITY MANAGERS. IT WOULD  BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT  THEIR ENTIRE COMPENSATION  PACKAGE LOOKS I I DON'T KNOW  IF THEY'RE EQUAL TO OR  COMPARABLE TO EACH BUT I DO  APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT  RESEARCH IT WOULD BE NICE IF  MAYBE YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT  TO THE CITY CLERK TO BE  INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP  MATERIALS BECAUSE AGAIN  THERE'S NO DATA IN THE BACK  AERIALS SO MOST ABOUT IN THE 6  TO $7,000 RANGE FOR CARLISLE  SAYS TO JUST ON THAT REALLY  COOL TO HAVE A NATIONAL  JOURNAL'S THANK  >> IS OKAY ALL RIGHT.  >> WERE  >> QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION  WE'RE GOING OFFER PUBLIC  COMMENT AND AND.  >> AND WE.  >> I WANT TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE  PERCENTAGE BEFORE WE GET TO  THE MAKING THE MOTION WHAT HE  WON'T DO. WE JUST IT'S AFTER.  PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY.  >> PETE WORKING HERE I CAN  SMELL  >> I'M JUST ASKING FOR THAT  NOW BECAUSE THAT WOULD  PROBABLY MORE DISCUSSION  BEFORE WE GET TO PUBLIC.  >> A TO AND I SAID I  >> WELL WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO  THE NUMBERS BUT I TRIED TO  COME UP WITH WAS LIKE MAYBE AN  AVERAGE AND I DID THAT IN THE  TOP OF  ♪ MY HEAD. PROBABLY WAY WRONG.  >> I THOUGHT THAT THE MEDIANS  WAS IT AT ABOUT  ♪ >> 2.50 RANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE  ALL THE WAY UP TO 2.90 DOWN TO  15. I DIDN'T HAVE THOSE  NUMBERS AND TRYING BUT.  >> YOU TRY TO GET THE  PERCENTAGE RIGHT IN THE  PERCENTAGE THAT THAT I JUST  CALCULATED WOULD BE A 15%  INCREASE WOULD BRING HIM TO TO  47. SO THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE  TO THE 2.50 THAT I K YOU KNOW  THAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. I  DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL WERE  LOOKING AT THAT. YOU HAVE  TALKED ABOUT RIGHT SIZE AND  RIGHT I WAS TRYING TO GET  CLOSE TO THE 2.50. THAT'S  WHERE I THOUGHT WE NEEDED IT  SO. ESPECIALLY IF TALKING  ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY COMING  IN THAT POSSIBLY IN THE  UPWARDS OF 2.25 MORE MORE  BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED  ABOUT OR AS WELL AS OR IT'S UP  TO YOU OK.  >> WE HAVE YET TO COMMENT ON  THAT. JUST AFTER THE 2.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I WAS ALSO  THINKING AROUND 15% AND.  ♪ HAD A SIMILAR THOUGHT I WOULD  THROW LONGBOAT OUT I MEAN  ♪ IT'S JUST NO SIMILARITIES AT  ALL. BUT EVEN YOU KNOW VENICE  TO SO I WOULD BE YOU KNOW  BASED ON CITY MANAGER'S  PERFORMANCE END.  ♪ ♪ OUR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A NEW  CITY ATTORNEY. I THINK 2.47 A  15% INCREASE, IF THAT'S A  CORRECT OUT CALCULATION THINK  IT'S CLOSE.  >> I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE  WITH THAT OK. THEY ARE STILL  ON HIS CALCULATOR SO I  >> YEAH AND AGAIN WILL BE IN  THE COPS AND OTHER AREAS AND  ALSO THAT THE THE VAST  ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WOULD AND  IT'S JUST PHENOMENAL AND ALSO  I REMEMBER THAT WAS THE FIRST  TASK BY ALL COMING ON BOARD  HERE IN 21 WE HAD TO DO THAT  HUGE SEARCH AND THAT LIKE  FOREVER THAT WAS AND I JUST  JUST THE IDEA GOING THROUGH  THAT AGAIN AND WHAT WHAT  AROUND THE CITY LAST AND THAT  WHOLE TIME NOT HAVING. NOT  JUST SOMEBODY IN THAT STATE,  BUT MISTER FLETCHER AND THAT  SEAT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE  BEEN SO MUCH FURTHER ALONG AND  IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BIG BIG  GAP THERE. IT WAS IT WAS A  GREAT EXPERIENCE AT THAT HIGH  A BUT JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT  I DON'T WANT TO ENTER. I DON'T  WANT TO STAFF TO GO THROUGH  AGAIN SO THAT TO THAT EXTENT  NOT THIS PERIOD ANYWAY, WHERE  WE ARE SO. THAT WITH THAT 15%  INCREASE TO GET. MISTER  FLETCHER TO THE LEVEL WHERE HE  SHOULD BE. FOR WHAT THAT  REALLY DOES EXEMPLIFY WHAT.  HE'S DONE. WHERE IS TAKING US.  ICEMAN DEVON THING.  >> WELL I JUST RAN SOME  NUMBERS FOR US. AND A 5%  INCREASE TO 26 TO 33 AT 10% TO  37. EVEN 15%, IT'S TO 47 7 I  ALSO AGREE, I MEAN I THINK THE  JOB WARRANTS 15% PERHAPS AND  APPROACH MIGHT BE TO PHASE IT  IN INTO 10% AND THEN THE  ADDITIONAL 5 HALFWAY THROUGH  THE YEAR WHATEVER WOULD SAVE A  LITTLE MONEY AND IT WOULD FACE  WITH THE IDEA IN MIND BY NEXT  YEAR. THE YEAR AFTER THIS  COMING ONE. IT WOULD PRETTY  MUCH RIGHT SIZE IT UP IT  SHOULD BE COMPARATIVELY  SPEAKING. I MEAN THAT'S  ANOTHER OPTION FOR US TO LOOK  AT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT  OPTIONS THAT. 10%. NOW WITH  ANOTHER FIFE, HALFWAY DOWN THE  ROAD NEXT TO COMING YEAR.  CLEAR. WHICH WOULD SAVE SOME  MONEY FOR CITY BUT AT THE SAME  TIME. I DO. THE FISCAL YEAR  THAT THIS COMING YEAR. IT  WRITES I CITY TO GET TO WHERE  IT NEEDS TO BE I MEAN YOU TO  COME IN. MARKET BUT.  >> BASED ON PERFORMANCE BASED  ON THE WAY TO THE SUSPICION  NOW VERSUS 3 YEARS AGO. I  DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE  YOU LOOK AT IT. CHIEF  OPERATING OFFICER AND TO TO  SET OR THIS SIZE. AND THEN YOU  LOOK AT THE COMPENSATION  LEVELS OF. MUNICIPALITIES AND  I DON'T THROW YOU KNOW WE'LL  BE AIMING COMMITS TO OPEN  $70,000 TO RUN THE CITY ALONE  LOCATE.  >> YOU KNOW CITY OF I AND YOU  COULDN'T ASK FOR MORE  WONDERFUL GUY AND INCREDIBLE  CITY MANAGER. MAKES SELLER  OVERSEE A CITY THAT'S QUITE A  BIT SMALLER THAN OUR CITY. THE  CHALLENGES OF THE CITY OF PORT  AND.  >> RIFLE WE SO INCREDIBLY  UNIQUE WE ARE ON SUCH  TRAJECTORY WE ARE CLEARLY IN  MY OPINION THE CITY IN THIS  STATE TO LOOK TO AND YOU KNOW.  I THINK YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY  FOR AN A. TOOK THIS MAN  DESERVES THAT'S RIGHT NOW.  >> AND THE PAST WHEN WE GAVE  US THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY  OTHER CHARTER OFFICER A IT WAS  PRETTY MUCH MATCHED AMONGST  THE OTHER CHARTER 15% RACE.  THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY WHEN  YOU'RE ALREADY OVER A QUARTER  OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE  ROLE OF THE CITY MATTER I'M  NOT SURPRISED THAT THAT IS  WHAT YOU GUYS ARE WANTING TO  DO. I. THERE ARE AREAS THAT  YES HE HAS DONE A REMARKABLE  JOB. BUT THERE ARE REASONS  THAT PRICE BOULEVARD DIDN'T  GET DONE SOONER THAN WHAT IT  HAS THERE ARE REASONS THAT  THINGS HAVEN'T GOTTEN DONE  PRIOR TO 3 YEARS AGO.  >> AND A TOOTH TOO. YOU'RE NOT  LOOKING AT THINGS  HOLISTICALLY.  >> AND I JUST CRINGE WHEN I  HEAR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.  DOWNPLAYING PREVIOUS  COMMISSIONS ON NOT MAKING HARD  DECISIONS.  >> I BEEN INVOLVED IN  GOVERNMENT I HAVE WATCHED I  HAVE PARTICIPATED. AND I I  HAVE TO TELL YOU. DECISIONS  WERE MADE THAT WERE HARD AT  THAT TIME BASED ON THOSE  CIRCUMSTANCES. SO YEAH, THE  CITY MANAGER ABOUT THE ULDC  DOT. IS IT BECAUSE OF HIM  POSSIBLY IS IT POSSIBLY NOT  BECAUSE OF HIM THAT'S POSSIBLE  TOO. PRICE BOULEVARD WINDING  WE WERE WANTING TO DO THAT. IN  2017 THE COMMISSION GAVE  DIRECTION TO BRING BACK  FUNDING OPTIONS FOR DOING  PRICE BOULEVARD NEVER  HAPPENED. WE I WE ALSO CHANGED  THE DESIGN. SO WE HAD TO GO  BACK TO DESIGN WHICH THEN  CREATED A LAG AND THEN WE HAD  CONANT I JUST. THE OPTICS ARE  NOT VERY GOOD YOU GUYS. YOU  JUST GIVE YOURSELVES 27  PERCENT RAISE AND NOW YOU'RE  GIVING CITY MANAGER 15% OR A  CITY CLERK SKY HAVE HER  EVALUATION COMING UP. AND  >> WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE  IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER AT THE  SHOE FITS EVERYBODY GETS TO  WEAR IT. OUR EMPLOYEES. SO  WE'RE CITIZENS GET.  >> MAYBE MAYBE A 3%. OKAY SURE  LANGDON.  >> YEAH I I ALSO WANT TO POINT  ON THAT.  >> IS ACCOMPLISHMENTS WERE AND  NOT MADE IN THE PERIOD OF  SAILING WE HAD COMING OUT OF  COVID WE HAD A HURRICANE  DESPITE ALL OF THESE OTHER  CHALLENGES WE STILL WERE ABLE  TO GET SOME REALLY IMPORTANT  PROJECTS UNDERWAY OR  COMPLETED. AND I'LL JUST SHARE  A QUICK STORY I WAS CHATTING  WITH PROPERTY OWNER. IN THE  CITY A COUPLE AND HE DOESN'T  LIVE IN NORTH PORT HE LET DOWN  SOUTH. TO REITERATE I THINK  THAT WAS SOME COMMENTS YOU  MADE. MADAM MAYOR, HE SAID YOU  KNOW HE SAID IT WAS A LOT MORE  ACTIVE IN THE CITY YEARS AGO  AND IT WAS SORT OF A SLEEPY  LITTLE TOWN AND HE SAID NOW  WE'RE JUST REALLY.  >> MANNING AND WHERE THE PLACE  TO BE  >> YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S  TALKING ABOUT PORT IT'S NOT  JUST US THAT RECOGNIZE THE  PROJECT THAT PROGRESS THAT'S  BEEN MADE BY THE CITY.  SURROUNDING LEADER OF SOME  ELECTED OFFICIALS.  >> YOU KNOW WHEN I FIRST CAME  HERE 10 YEARS AGO YOU SAY TO  SOMEONE YOU KNOW WHEN 11  THAT'S A NO APPOINTMENT KIND  OF LOOK AT YOU FUNNY. AND NOW  I SAY I LOVE THE NORTH WHAT  ALL KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN  PORT OF SO.  >> THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED  AND IT'S NEVER JUST ONE PERSON  BY HIS PRESENCE IN THE PAST 3  YEARS HAS HAD SUCH AN  INCREDIBLE IMPACT. AND  MOTIVATING AND ELEVATING THIS  SKILL SET OF OUR STAFF THEM.  ESTABLISHING A CULTURE OF  PERFORMANCE AND EXCELLENCE THE  CITY AND IN MY MIND THAT'S  LEADERSHIP. A LEADER DOESN'T  DO ALL THE WORK THEMSELVES.  THE BAY SURROUND THEMSELVES  WITH TO RECKON PEOPLE AND THEN  CHALLENGE TO BE THE BEST THEY  CAN BE. MISTER FLETCHER AND MY  MIND CERTAINLY DONE. VICE  MAYOR.  >> I WOULD OFFER UP THAT  PERHAPS THE REASON WHY THINGS  HE DIDN'T GET DONE OR AT LEAST  ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THINGS  TO GET DONE OVER THE YEARS.  IT'S BECAUSE TOO MANY PEOPLE  SITTING ON THE STATE IS  WORRIED ABOUT OPTICS INSTEAD  WHAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO  DO. AND BEING WILLING TO  TACKLE HARDEST QUESTION  HARDEST ISSUES AND WHILE  DISAGREE THAT NOT EVERYTHING  WAS TO TO JUST SIMPLY.  COMMISSIONERS WHO DIDN'T WANT  TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS I  APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE  OTHER CONCERNS ANOTHER. OTHER  THINGS THAT THAT THAT WAY IN  BUT THE REALITY IS THAT. IN  THE PAST 3 YEARS. THIS CITY  HAS GONE WHEN MOVED HERE. IT  WAS CRINGE WORTHY TO WATCH  THIS CITY OPERATE. AND TO SEE  THE TRANSFORMATION.  >> TO SEE SAY STAFF.  >> HOWEVER INDIVIDUAL WHICH WE  HAVE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY  RECOGNIZE SOME PEOPLE WILL GO  ANYWHERE MAKE SURE HUGE  AMOUNTS OF MONEY. WERE TO LOOK  AT THE SALARIES OF OUR  DEPARTMENT AND TO COMPARE THE  LEADER OF 1000 EMPLOYEES, THE  SEA. SEE A LITTLE OF A CITY  APPROXIMATING 300 MILLION AND  REVENUES WITH. 100,000 PEOPLE  TO COMPARE THAT TO THAT IN  COME AN INCREASE AN HOURLY  WORKER IT IS JUST A  DISCONNECT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT  THAT THIS IS ABOUT HAVING THE  LEADERS STAKE IN OUR CITY FROM  THE REDHEADED STEPCHILD TOO  THE CITY EVERYBODY 2 FOR  INNOVATION. AND PROGRESS YOU  GET WHAT YOU PAY THIS MAN  SHOULD BE COMPENSATED  APPROPRIATELY. IT HAS NO  CONNECTION WITH WHAT  PERCENTAGE IN SCENE BECAUSE  EASILY. PEOPLE MAKING A LOT  MONEY IN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE  NEARLY AS CHALLENGED AS SO YOU  KNOW TOO WORRIED ABOUT THE  OPTICS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HEY  THIS CITY HAS KEPT TAX RATE  FLAT FOR 5 YEARS. IT HAS  ADDRESSED CHALLENGING ISSUE  THAT'S COME BEFORE IT. AND WE  HAVE EXCELLED IN ACCOMPLISHING  UNBELIEVABLE THINGS YOU HEARD  THAT THE LAST NORTH PORT'S  FORWARD 2 PAGES WORTH OF  ACCOMPLISHMENTS HERE AND SO TO  SAY HE DOESN'T DESERVE IS  UNBELIEVABLE. I APPRECIATE  THAT THERE ARE THOSE WERE NOT  HIS FANS WHO HAVE FROM NOT HIM  AND ALL. AND EVERY INCH OF THE  WAY BUT AT THE SAME TIME. ON  THE STREAM YOU TALKED TO  PEOPLE PEOPLE ARE DELIGHTED  EVERYBODY MEANS TALKED TO AT  EVERY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT  THINK THE WORLD SAY MAN DID WE  LOOK OUT SO YOU KNOW. I AM  TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS AND  AND AND I JUST THINK TRYING TO  RELATE THIS TO WHAT THE  AVERAGE PERSON. GETS ON A  SALARY INCREASES THAT RATE IS  JUST LIKE IT WAS COMPARING  THIS COMMISSION'S INCREASE.  YOU KNOW THINGS NEED TO BE  RIGHT-SIZED TO WORRY ABOUT  OPTICS. I MEAN JESUS THAT  COMMISSIONERS SHOULD ABOUT  OPTICS WHEN YOU WANT TO SIT UP  HERE AND MAKES SMART DECISIONS  ABOUT THIS CITY AND THE  DECISIONS WE MAKE IF WE WERE  WORRIED ABOUT 6 WE WANT TO  ACCOMPLISH THING DONE IN THE  PAST COUPLE YEARS. SO I SAY.  >> WE ARE NOT EMPLOYEES AS  CITIZENS OF THIS CITY. WE BACK  TO WHERE WE SAID IT AND WE  LEADERS OF THE CITY. WE LEAD  WE MAKE DECISIONS. WE ADDRESS  THE PROBLEMS AND WE DO THE  BEST WE CAN FOR THE MOST AND  WE JUST COME ELECTION TIME  BASED ON THAT SO MORE MY BOX I  STAND FOR A 15% TO SIT WITH  FOR A MAN THIS MAN DOING THIS  SHOW OK.  >> YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF  SOMETHING USED THAT TERM THAT  I ALWAYS JUST LIKE THAT  REDHEADED STEPCHILD THAT I  HAVE NOT HEARD THAT AND AND  THAT USED COMMON THING SO THAT  IS WE'RE SO.  >> WE NEED TO BE MOVING HERE  DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC OKAY.  AND DUVAL IT.  >> ALSO IS A REPORT. I DIDN'T  ALL 5 YOUR EVALUATIONS. CITY  MANAGER. I WONDER. IF YOU  ALREADY JOE OK HER SON.  >> OF SUCH. OFFICES. OR  OTHERS. I WOULD GET. CITIZENS  ASHORE HERE.  >> AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF  THIS BEING A CITIZEN GOT. WELL  IN SCHOOL COMPLAINED ABOUT  WITH THEY'VE BEEN TREATED. AND  THE CITY MANAGER. ON A RADIO  SHOW ALL. WITH HUMANS. ANSWER  ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM THAT  FIRST. I MYSELF ASKED THE CITY  MANAGER QUESTION. I WAS TOLD  LOOK AT ALL. I HAVE TO AGREE  WITH COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. OR  A VALUATION AND THE ONE THING  THAT STRUCK ME THE MOST ABOUT  WHAT YOU PEOPLE MENTION IT. IS  THAT  CURRENT VALUATION. IF YOU READ  IT THOUGH. READ READ THAT YOU  ATION SEE THAT SHE SAID  SOMETHING ABOUT IN THE LAST 8  SCENE HERE. CITY EMPLOYEES  WITH DEALING WITH OUR CITY  MANAGER. HIS GROUNDS FOR  OUTSIDE AGENCY TO COME IN AND  LOOK AT THIS AND HAVE SO THE  EMPLOYEES BE ABLE TO OF LEE.  REAL FEELINGS ON THE MATTER.  YEAH. THE OPTICS. AGAIN ARE  GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU  TO  >> AND SO MOVING ON TO MOTION  TIME LOOKING FOR MOTION WAS  GOING TO MAKE MY MOTION.  >> BRIDGE.  >> I MOVE TO APPROVE A 15%  INCREASE FOR THE CITY MANAGER  BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE  EVALUATION THAT ALL RIGHT WE  HAVE A MOTION MADE BY.  >> COMMISSIONER AND RICH  INCREASE CITY MANAGER BASED ON  THE PERFORMANCE EVALUATION  THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER  DISCUSSION.  >> IF NOT LET'S  >> AND THAT PASSES 4 TO ONE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  DISSENTING FOR REASONS STATED.  >> MY REASONS ARE OBVIOUS IF  YOU'RE IN THE EVALUATION.  YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU  CITY PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR  MAKING ME FEEL PROUD AGAIN TO  WITH WHAT WAS THANK AND  THEY'RE APPRECIATE SUPPORT.  >> MOVING ON TO ITEM H 24 DASH  1, 1, 7, 4, CITY MANAGER THIS  IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THEY COME INTO OWN AGE 24  DASH 1, 7, 4 CUSH POSSIBLE  ACTION APPROVE THE 5TH  AMENDMENT TO CONSTRUCTION  MANAGER AT RISK ON FACT NUMBER  2023 DASH 17 2 POINTS TO  SERVICES CONTRACT PHASE 2  WOULD HAPPEN HERE. WE HAVE  SUCH A COMPANY IN THE AMOUNT  TO BE OR OUT OF THE 4, 7 '05  TIPS FOR HURRICANE IAN APPEARS  TO BE A PARK. AS STATED THIS  FOR THE 5TH AMENDMENT TO THE  CENTRAL FRONT ACT. WE ASK THAT  YOU APPROVE IT ABLE ANSWER ANY  QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE TO GO  IN THE BUDGET.  >> OKAY LOOKING FOR ANY  QUESTIONS. 2 DID PRESENT YOU  KNOW, OKAY. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YEAH, I'M READY FOR A  MOTION AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.  OK. ALRIGHT PUBLIC ALL RIGHT  GO COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL MAKE  A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 5TH  AMENDMENT TO THE CMR CONTRACT  2, 0, 2, 3, DASH 1 7.0 0, FOR  CONSTRUCTION SERVICES PHASE 2  AND HALF. ACRE CONSTRUCTION IN  THE AMOUNT $54,447.5 FOR  HURRICANE IAN REPAIRS BRYANT  PARK.  >> WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO  APPROVE THE AMENDMENT TO  CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.  >> NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 3, DASH  17.0 0, 2, FOR CONSTRUCTION  SERVICES CONTRACT FACE TO HALF  ACRE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY. AND  THE AMOUNT OF 54. $1447.5 FOR  HURRICANE IAN REPAIRS THAT  GRANT PARK AND SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON IF  THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER. VO.  >> AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0  RIGHT MOVING ON TO ITEM I 24  DASH 1 ONE 7, 6 CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THEY COME MY 24 DASH 1, 7,  6 DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION  TO APPROVE THE 6 LIMIT TO  CONSTRUCTION. CONTRACT OVER  2023 DASH 17.0 0, 2, 4,  CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT  FACE TOO. IT'S HALF ACRE  CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AROUND  $35,946.68. HURRICANE AYRES  THAT WE ARE PARK AS THEY DID  THIS WITH THE 6 IT WILL ALLOW  US TO IMPROVE. WE ARE DAMAGE  IT WOULD HAVE IF ANY QUESTIONS  YOU MAY HAVE ON THE BUDGET.  >> AND LOOKING FOR ANY  QUESTIONS ON THIS. IS THERE  ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> ALRIGHT SOMEONE FROM OCEAN  WILL MAKE VICE MAYOR MOVE TO  APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 24  ADDITIONAL 1176 AS FOR SENATE.  >> OKAY THAT'S SHORT AND  SWEET.  ♪ >> OF THEM MADE HAIR TO PROVE.  >> ITEM 24 DASH 1, 7, 6, AS IT  WAS PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED  ♪ >> BY COMMISSIONER AND RICH IF  THERE'S NOTHING BUT VOTE.  AND  THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 MOVING ON  TO JAY 4 DASH 1, CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR ITEMS.  >> THANK YOU MEMBER ADAM  JAMES, WE PUT ONE WAS  DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION TO  APPROVE THE 7TH WITH 2 BECAUSE  SUCH A MANNER AT THIS CONTRACT  NUMBER 2023 DASH 17.0 0, 2,  CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CONTRACT  PHASE 2 WOULD HAVE  CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND THE  AMOUNT OF $9,058.99 EVERY  FEARS ISLAND. IT'S PART. THIS  IS THE THERE'S NUMBERS AREN'T  HAVE QUESTION IS WE HAVE ABOUT  THE  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU  LOOKING FOR ANY COMMISSIONER  QUESTIONS IF ANY PUBLIC  COMMENT.  >> IT'S SOMEWHAT PROMOTIONAL A  MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 24  DASH 1175 HAS PREVENTED WE  HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE  MAYOR STOKES TO APPROVE ITEM  NUMBER 24 DASH 1, 7, 5, AS  PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  EMERGE IF THERE'S THANK AND  THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 CITY CLERK  DO WE HAVE ANY FINAL PUBLIC  COMMENT.  ♪ ♪ >> SAID WANT ALSO I WILL STUFF  LEFT.  >> I WANT TO AND HER STAFF.  CITY MANAGER.  >> FOR THE ULDC EDUCATIONAL  SESSION. THAT'S GOING TO BE  FORTHCOMING.  >> I HAD MADE A MISTAKE ON MY  LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE  FLOODING ISSUE OF TOO BIG A  HOUSE ON 2 SMALL UP ALSO  BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A LONG VIEW  THE I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. AND  SINCE IS NO INDEXING SYSTEM.  IT WAS GLAD SHE POINTED THAT  OUT TO  ♪ SO I I CAN'T WAIT TO TAKE THAT  EDUCATIONAL SESSIONS SO THANK  YOU. THE OTHER ONE WAS WHEN WE  WERE TALKING ABOUT THE  COMMISSION POLICY  ♪ I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED AND  THAT'S GOT TO MENTION IT. IT  WAS A DISCUSSION MAKING.  >> THE CHARACTER COUNT ON THE  THE COMMENT. MORE THAN 3,000  CHARACTERS. I THINK WE'VE GONE  OVER THAT SO MANY TIMES AND IT  WAS GOING TO BE LOOKED INTO  MAYBE EXPANDING IT TO 5,000  HOWARD IS. I WAS ONE MORE  COMMENT. I HAD. AND THEN THE  OTHER ONE SURE LOVE WHAT YOU  DID WITH THE. COMMISSION  POLICY BUT AGAIN I'M GOING TO  BRING BACK THE PUBLIC'S  COMMENT PRIOR TO YOUR  DISCUSSION BECAUSE A LOT OF  PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP ONLY FOR A  SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM. BECAUSE  OF BECAUSE OF IT'S SITUATED ON  AGENDA. SO TODAY WANT TO GET A  CHANCE TO BE HEARD TO PRIOR TO  YOUR DISCUSSION. SO THAT YOU  COULD CONSIDER WHAT THEY HAVE  TO SAY PRIOR TO YOUR  DISCUSSION MAY BE TAKEN INTO  CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU VOTE.  WAS ONE MORE THING I WHICH  TAKEN A LOOK AT OTHER THAN  THAT A COFFEE MACHINE.  >> MIKE ITS THANK YOU ROBIN.  MISTER DUVALL.  >> ALSO IS ON COURT. OCCURRED  TO ME DISCUSSING THE  POSSIBILITY OF CITIZENS. YOU  KNOW ASK TO PUT ITEMS ON THE  AGENDA. YOUR NUMBER A LOT THE  IDEA CAME UP A LITTLE.  PLANNING TO THE CITY OF ALL.  FOR ONE DEVELOPED LOT GOING ON  TO FENCE AND EVERYTHING. YOU  KNOW THE OVER CITY STAFF  COULDN'T HANDLE YOU KNOW IS  STILL ALL BEEN RESOLVED. VERY  CAREFUL. YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU  MAY END UP WITH EVERY TIME  SOMEBODY. SEE SOMETHING THEY  DO WANT TO MOVE TO 17,000 A  LITTLE BOAT, TOUGH FOR  WONDERFUL WAY THANK YOU. THANK  YOU MISTER ABOUT.  >> MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER.  >> COMMISSION COMMUNICATIONS  COMMISSIONER TOO. VICE MAYOR  >> I THINK PASSES GO AROUND.  >> YEAH AND TAKE A PASS NOW  BECAUSE OF THE LATE HOUR  COMMISSIONER LANGDON S LATE  HOUR ALL SAFE. MY COMMENTS FOR  NEXT MEETING ALL RIGHT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL NOTHING  FOR YOU THIS MORNING. ALL  RIGHT TURNER YEAH CITY CLERK.  >> THAT IS CITY ATTORNEY  ANYTHING AND MANAGER.  >> I THINK THERE ARE THINGS  GOING ALL RIGHT I WENT THROUGH  THAT WAS REALLY FAST RIGHT SO  IT IS IN TURN THIS MEETING  TODAY FEB.