>> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS THE VAN PULL US ON THE AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT A BLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN UNDER UNDER THE AGE OF SO WE HAVE AN AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH THAT STARTS WITH THE FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE CAN CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN THEY GRADUATE IT'S ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON THE BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE WATER. >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SO TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT AND AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS INTERESTING VERY AREA WHEN HE FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING BINS SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL THE PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE MOST COMMON THING I FIND FRANCIS PLASTIC BAGS. >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE I FIND JUST POSTING THE CONTAINER FOR THE RECYCLE WITH HIM AND MISSION LINK THAT'S RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS. AND THEY SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH OR DO SEE A LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE THE CONTAINERS OF I COME ACROSS A LOT WANT TO DO THAT SO. >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH SOLID WASTE. ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT, IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97 POINT. ♪ >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM EVACUATION LEVELS. >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY GOVERNMENT WEBSITE. >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING. ♪ WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL TO 72 HOURS AFTER ♪ THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS THE WATER BUILT TO GET THE STUFF THAT CAME OUT FOR ROOM AND THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT WHEN IT REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS IN ♪ IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST THAT THEIR ROADS. ROADWAYS ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP TO ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS DOING ITS JOB. >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL PRODUCTS FACILITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED EVALUATIONS SO KIDS REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE DOING THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR THEM AT THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCED FROM A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN THE BACKGROUND SLIDE. EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM ASSESSMENT. ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD OF TIME AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION. YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON 75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND THE STORM 3RD OPTION WOULD BE GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE. >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED. >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR. AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF IN THE DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER SATURATED SOILS WITH BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS THE GROUND IS TOTALLY SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO 79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS. >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64 WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED. WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN ELEVATION SYSTEM CONFIGURATION. >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS BETWEEN STRUCTURES PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR POTABLE WATER USE IN PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS. >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE 2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF THE WATERWAYS. >> MY STORY SHORT NORTH PORT IS PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES AND PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO LESSEN THE IMPACT. >> IT CAR AS IT CAN RAIN EVENTS AND CREDIT 2024. IT IS 10:00AM WE'RE IN THE CHAMBERS. >> SO I CALLED THIS MEETING TO ORDER PRESENT OUR COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL COMMISSIONER, LANGDON MYSELF MAYOR WHITE VICE MAYOR STOKES AND COMMISSIONER EMRICH SO THERE IS A FARM PRESENT FOR THIS MEETING. THEY ALSO HAVE CITY MANAGER LET YOUR CITY ATTORNEYS SLAYTON CITY CLERK BOUNCED SPECIALIST. I SAW CHIEF GARRISON BACK THERE AND. DEPUTY CHIEF FIRE HURLEY TITUS IS IN THE HOUSE TO OKAY. I'D LIKE TO ROBIN THIS SENT A TO LEAD IN THE THAT I GET THAT RIGHT OFF AND I'M SORRY. ♪ >> I UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO ALL NATION UNDER GOD, ♪ INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. ♪ >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF AGENDA, LOOKING FOR A MOTION JUST HAPPEN. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YEAH, I'M ONE OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THERE'S A AMENDMENT ON THE AGENDA. AND IT INCLUDES WARM MINERAL SPRINGS MOVING FUNDS AROUND HIM OR SPRINGS. THAT DISCUSSION IS AFTER THE BUDGET AMENDMENT SO I'M WONDERING YOU MIGHT NEED TO. MOVE THE BUDGET AFTER THE ONE OF THE SPRING, IT'S JUST SPECIAL. >> WE'VE WHAT THE RESOLUTION >> I D. TO POSSIBLY AFTER 6 A. I DON'T KNOW THEY'RE RELATED BUT I SAW WARM MINERAL SPRINGS EARN RESOLUTION. >> AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING OR SPRINGS. >> SO CITY MANAGER. THAT WE'RE SEE THE WAR BRINGS I WAS THAT 60 THAT THAT WAS JUST MENTION THIS AT HALFTIME. AS A HALF OF A FULL TIME AT POSITION I DO THINK IT WILL IMPACT THAT DECISION BUT IT'S UP TO YOU BECAUSE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING RIGHT YEAH. >> THERE'S LIKE QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS SWITCHING FARMS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS IS PART OF THE REASON WHY NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AFTER WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. SO I AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. ITEM NUMBER I I DAVID 2 AFTER 6 A. >> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THE AGENDA MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO MOVE 5. DIAZ AND DAVID TO AFTER. >> 6 AND. >> THERE I HAVE A QUESTION WE HAVE A AND THE SECOND THAT'S RIGHT WE DO ON THE AGENDA, YES, SO OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN THAT IF ONE OF WANTS TO GO BACK AND CHANGE WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER PROCEDURE AT THIS SHERRY AMENDED IT SO THE AMENDMENT AS THE MOTION ON ISSUE WE WOULD NEED A SECOND FOR THAT AMENDMENT OK. OK THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT THERE. >> ALSO HAVE A QUESTION YOU'RE TALKING 5 >> MOVING 5 D THAT THE RESOLUTION. IT IS TO IMPROVE IT AFTER 6 A. >> ON MY AGENDA 5 IS APPROVED THE AWARD OF FUNDS FROM SPECIAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM SO DO I HAVE A DIFFERENT AGENDA WE ALL DO. >> I PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE'RE DOING AGENDA CONSENT OKAY, YOU'RE DOING. AND EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING CONSENT. OKAY I GOT >> OK SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO MOVE BY GAVE IT TO BE 6 A ON THE. THE AGENDA GENERAL AGENDA ITSELF LOOKING FOR A SECOND. HERE IN SO THAT THE AMENDMENT MOTION TO LET'S GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION THE JUDGE AND THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED. LET'S AND THAT PASSES >> BEFORE WE GET TO A PUBLIC COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO AGAIN I. >> WE HAVE ALL THE COMMISSION I LOVE SEEING EVERYBODY HERE. THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PINK AND THAT I MOST OF YOUR PASSIONATE ABOUT I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT IS ON THIS AGENDA. ♪ ♪ BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE DO HAVE RULES UP OF DECORUM. >> AND THAT THERE. MEETING ATTENDEES MUST REFRAIN FROM OBSCENE PROFANE DISORDERLY CONDUCT, INCLUDING HAND CLAPPING YELLING AND SIMILAR DEMONSTRATIONS WHICH DISTURBS THE PEACE AND GOOD ORDER OF THE MEETING AND OF MENTION BEFORE TO THAT IT'S IT'S ALSO SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS THAT THEY CAN MAKE A COMMENT EVEN IF IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE MAJORITY SPEAKING ABOUT AND AND AGAIN I KNOW. I WENT WHERE I'M SPEAKING IN BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE MANY TIMES AND WAS RELUCTANT TO GET UP AND VOICE MY OPINION WHEN I KNEW IT WAS NOT IN LINE WITH ALL OTHER SPEAKERS THAT CAME BEFORE ME AND SOMETIMES I WOULD JUST LEAVE THE MEETING BECAUSE I WAS SO INTIMIDATED I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL INTIMIDATED TO COME UP HERE AND GIVE AND OPPOSITE SEWING THUMBS UP THUMBS DOWN WE CAN ALL SEE YOU DO THAT AND OTHER PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU AS WELL SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. ALRIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE HAVE SOME VOICE MAIL PUBLIC OKAY. >> DON'T KNOW FACT 1, 2, 2, 5, 1, 7, TO 7. I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO 3/5/2024 MEETING. ITEM 2 PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WANT PRIME. FOR YEARS NOW THE CITY HAVE BEEN ELECTED THE PROPERTY. >> I SEE A KNOWN WHAT DO WITH THE PROPERTY AT THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT >> AND OPINION. >> A WORKSHOP AND THAT'S YOUR PLAN AND LATER. AGAINST CITIZENS SPOKEN THEY WANT PLAY SUSPECTED ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY. THEY WANT TO BE THE PUBLIC PARK AND IT SHOULD I LIKE TRIAL AND THEY WANT TO PUBLIC ENJOYMENT PROSPERITY RIGHT WE'RE PRAYING AND THE THANK YOU. AND GET. >> THINK IT CREATE YOU KNOW HIT IT AND PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WANT TO COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT A QUESTION MY MIND COMPANY HAD COMPLETE PERCENT VOTE THAT POTENTIAL. CLEAR MISSION THE WAY THEY COULD NOT A THAT IT CANCEL COULD COME PEOPLE TO COME IT'S HAPPENS WITH GOING ON A AND YOU ABOUT THE TODAY WE'RE GOING BE A TURNING IN A A GO BETWEEN 2024 ON A BETWEEN 2122 20 PEOPLE IN THE NAVY WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN 2020 THOUGHT THAT BEEN FILED TO THE YOU THAT IN END THE 2023 WANT WE DON'T 300 500. CAUGHT UP TO PROVIDE THE RIGHT KIND OF UP BECAUSE GOING BEEN BUT COMMISSIONERS ACRES TO MAKE YOU UP A LITTLE BIT AT YOU ACRES THE COMMUNITY ARE THAT KNOW ABOUT IT YOU WANT KNOW A THAT WILL BE ABLE BUILD UP THAT THEY WENT TO A QUARTER ACRE INDIVIDUALLY ON A ON MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUAL DONORS AND YOU COULD HAVE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND IMPACT THE FINANCIALLY TO BACK BOUGHT IT I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS TO ADDRESS FUNDING MORE THAT I PHONE NUMBER TREATING ALL >> 3, 9, FOR ISLAND THAT IN NORTH PORT WITH RECORD TO THE MARCH IT. IT BEING OUT 10:00AM. MEAN GOING OR TO ADD ALL PLOT TREE 20 FROM WETLAND TO BUILD THE WALL. ♪ ♪ IT THAT WE DO NOT READ CAME FROM A WEAPONS TO BUILDABLE KENLEY AND DURING A HURRICANE TRUCKS WERE SWALLOWED UP AND PEOPLE IT APPLIED BE A A AND WOW WHAT ALREADY BEING COMPROMISED IT GOING ON IT THEN THE LEGAL WELL AND THEY ARE UP TO DEVELOPMENT UP WELL I NEED TO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND CERTAINLY INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT FOR CITY OF NORTH PORT NEED TO BUILD ALL I MY COMMUNITY AND WITH THE DOWNTOWN WALKABLE AREA AND SHOP AND RESTAURANT. TO GO TO PLAN DO THAT OR TOLEDO BLADE PRIDE BUT NOT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO DESTROY MORE THEY DON'T NEED THAT. >> URSULA TO CRACK. PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS VOICE THE SURVEY FROM 2020 FOR ALL THE 2019 PLAN, NO DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSES CONDOS HOTELS ON THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, AN ADJACENT AREA PROTECT OUR EYE. WHEN GOT TO TELL HERE PLEASE KEEP ALL 80 ACRES PART WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS STATE PARK ONTARIO. IT'S THAT GOOD WITH SIGNIFICANT ENDANGER SPECIES CALLING PLAN HOME MANATEE SEEKING REFUGE HERE AND A WARM NATURAL SPRING IN FLORIDA, THIS SHOULD NOT BE RUN BY THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS SHOULD BE AT THE VERY LEAST A SARASOTA COUNTY PARK BUT IT REALLY SHOULD HAVE FLORIDA STATE PARK DESIGNATION WHY CAN'T THE GOVERNMENT OF PORT SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW MUCH MORE THIS AREA WOULD YOU KNOW OR ITS UNIQUENESS IF IT HAD STATE OR COUNTY BACKING THIS AMAZING PROPERTY. THE PEOPLE OF PORT HAS SPOKEN THEY WANT THIS AREA WITH LOW IMPACT AND TO REMAIN PARKLAND LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS PRESERVE THE LAND SURROUNDING THE SPRING STATE NATURE. THE TREES, WELL I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THIS COMMENT. IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT A CITY SHOULD ESSENTIALLY ON THEIR BEST ASSET BASE TAKE INTO THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS OF NORTH PORT THAT RESONATE. LAURA WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS ONE OF NOT TO MENTION FACT THAT HISTORY BEHIND IT ALL. BEHIND IT AS WELL AS THE NEXUS TO OUR WATER SOURCES IN THAT AREA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS MATTER. THAT TO TAKE IT LIST PROPERTY THAT HAS NO NATION AND WORLD WIDE AND TURN IT INTO A MONEY GRAB WHAT ABSOLUTE DEVASTATION, THE SPRINGS HOLDS SO MANY MEMORIES FOR GENERATIONS AND 4. I RECKON AS NORTH PORT KEEPS GROWING. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE REALLY HAVE TO I LOVE THAT MAKES YOU TRULY ENJOY AND APPRECIATE OUR SURROUNDINGS FOR WHAT IT IS AND STILL COULD MY GRANDPARENTS TOOK MY PARENTS HERE AND WHAT'S MY FAMILY RELOCATED TO FLORIDA WE SPEND A LOT OF OUR WEEKEND THERE AND EVEN TO THIS DAY AS A MOTHER MYSELF I KEPT THAT TRADITION AND TAKE MY SON NOW IT'S OK TO GROW, BUT IT'S ALSO OK TO GROW IN THE RIGHT PLACES DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 10,000 YEARS ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS WELL I WAS ALREADY BEING DRIVEN OUT OF THEIR HOMES ON A DAILY BASIS AND DESTROYING MORE THAN NATURAL HABITAT IS DISGRACEFUL. HAVE A 100% NORTH PORT HAS BEEN FEELING LESS AND LESS LIKE A COMMUNITY AND MORE LIKE EVER DEVELOPED CITY THAT CAN'T HANDLE SIMPLE TRAFFIC. WE DON'T NEED MORE BUILDINGS, WE NEED A COMMUNITY BALLOTING FOR SHE ATION BUT WE WILL NOT HAVE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR HUMANS EVEN SET FOOT ON THIS LAND IS DEMOLISHED AND REPLACED WITH ANOTHER USELESS COATING. WELL THAT'S ABOUT PLEASE USE THE SURVEY FROM 2023 ALL NORTH PORT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE MINERAL SPRINGS PARK WITHOUT ANY DEVELOPMENT CASE KEEP THE PARK NATURAL AND ON ABOUT FOR PEOPLE FROM THE CITY AND VISITORS TO ENJOY IT. KIND OF WEALTH BUT THEY ALL FOR STUDENTS TO THE CITY FOR REPLACING THE BROKEN RAMP ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SPRING. SO QUICKLY. WE CHERISH THE SPRINGS ARE RELIEVED TO KNOW THAT A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY AND GLOOM IS NOT HAPPENING WHICH BRINGS US BACK TO SQUARE ONE HOW TO FORWARD FROM HERE THE BEST IDEA CAME IN A LETTER TO THE SUN ON SUNDAY WHERE AND GETTING BLACK WELL LAID OUT WHAT WOULD BE RESORT BASED ON ECO TOURISM WHAT LODGES AND NATIVE PLANTS MADE HARMONY WITH THE FRAGILE ENVIRONMENT AND UTILIZING LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL STUDENTS TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE AND PROFITABLE ECOVILLAGE BUT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF GULF COAST, WHERE THANK YOU. PERSON I HAVE A LOOSE THE ALL BY PAT BROWNS. >> AND MONICA THERE YOU GO AGAIN. >> I REALLY LIKE THIS FORMAT REALIZE THAT THIS IS A WAY TO EVEN SAY ANYTHING IT'S SCHOOL BUSINESS GOVERNMENT AND I THOUGHT THAT'S A PLACE THAT HAD ACTUALLY PLACE YOU CAN HAVE AN WE SIT HERE I'D LIKE TO HEAR ANSWERS SO THE QUESTIONS WE POSE, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE TALKING TO A WALL. ♪ ♪ >> LOOK AT >> YOU'RE ALL HERE TO BE HERE TO HELP WORK WORK FOR THE CITIZENS WHO ELECTED YOU. ARE WE STORE OUR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK WITH THE MASTER PLAN FOR 2002. WE MADE OUR VOICES HEARD AGAIN. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE THAT SURVEY THAT WE JUST PAID FOR AND THEY SAID EXACTLY THE SAME THING. I KNOW THAT SOMEBODY AND SOME PEOPLE TRIED SORT OF DOWNPLAY THE VALIDITY OF THAT SURVEY. BUT I WAS HERE I WAS RIGHT HERE WHEN THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE SURVEY GOT HERE WITH THE SURVEY ON THIS BIG SCREENS WE LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS AND LIKE ANY 9% OF THE PEOPLE SAID DO THAT'S UP THE SPRINT. SO WE HAD MISTER PLANT AND THEN WE HAD THE SURVEY. I JUST I'M NOT SURE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A CONTINUOUS THING TO TRY AND BULLDOZE THE LAND IN PORT. IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LOSING ACRES EVERYDAY ACRES AND SOMETIMES 10'S OF ACRES AND HUNDREDS OF A SO. I'M NOT SURE HOW IN CLEAR CONSCIENCE. I WONDER HOW IN CLEAR CONSCIENCE. IT WOULD PUT AWAY OUR LOURDES PARK SPACE HOW CAN THAT HAPPEN. YOU MONEY IS IT FOR PRINTS STAGE IS SET TO INCREASE YOUR RESUME PUT SOMETHING YOU DO ON YOUR SKILL SET. TALKING TO THE WALL. JUST SO OUR WARM MIDDLE >> THE CITY OF NORTH PORT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER ITS RENOVATION PLANS FOR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. >> I URGE YOU TO PRESERVE THIS NATURAL ASSET AND UNIQUE GEOLOGICAL WONDER BY MAINTAINING NOT EXPANDING WARM MINERAL SPRINGS FOOTPRINT. IN ADDITION TO ITS HISTORIC GEOLOGICAL AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS ALSO HOME TO MANY ENDANGERED GOPHER TORTOISE IS VERY EXCUSE ME IN THE 60 ACRES OF MATURE FOREST. IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED OR HOTELS AND RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION. IT MAKES NO SENSE. THE TORTOISES AND OTHER WILDLIFE SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED OR REMOVED. IN ADDITION MANAGED TO SEE THE WAR OF WATERS DOWNSTREAM FROM THE SPRINGS DURING THE WINTER MONTHS. DON'T COMPROMISE THEIR ACCESS TO THE WAR. AND THE WARM WATERS. TO SURVIVE THE COLD. CITY SPONSORED PUBLIC OUTREACH SURVEYS SUPPORT PRESERVATION PLAN. NOT DEVELOPMENT OVERREACH. PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. THEY ELECTED YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. CITY PUBLIC FUNDING THAT RESTORES EXISTING STRUCTURES WHILE CONSERVING THE 60 ACRES, A WILDLIFE HABITAT SURROUNDING THE SPRINGS. LET'S TALK ECONOMICS. NORTH PORT IS THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES. TAX REVENUES SHOULD BE EXPANDING NOT CONTRACTING. SO ALLOCATE FUNDS FOR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, WITH THAT EXTRA REVENUE. WE'RE ASKED THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE LIKE I THINK YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO OR TRIED TO DO. IT DOESN'T MAKE THE SPRINGS AS AN OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRING WHICH ALSO BRINGS FROM EXPLORE YOUR OPTIONS USING PUBLIC FUNDS RENOVATED BUT PRESERVE NO COMPROMISE THE NATURAL HABITAT. FOREST FOXES AND TORTOISES. WELL THANK YOU AND SO WHAT YOUR CITIZENS. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MONICA PALICKI AND I LIVE IN PORT. I PURCHASED MY HOME IN NORTH PORT 14 YEARS AGO. MY FIRST VISIT TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS I FELT SO FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS NATURAL RUSTIC OASIS OF WARM MINERAL WATER THAT WE CAN SWIM IN. RIGHT HERE IN MY CITY TO ENJOY FOR A LIFETIME. OVER THE YEARS I HAVE WATCHED WITNESSED THE DEEPER MEANING OF SARASOTA COUNTY MAKING IT LARGELY JUST AVERAGE PLACE FOR HOMES AND CONDOS WITH A FEW PARKS IN VITRO. I WATCHED IN DISBELIEF AS COUNTY AND CITY COMMISSIONERS, HERE TO SARASOTA DEFINED THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. I'VE SEEN LARGE CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM DEVELOPER DONORS GOING TO COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS RE ELECTION FUNDS. I HAVE SEEN THAT EVER OCCURRED INCREASING POLLUTION IN OUR WATERWAYS. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH CORRUPTION GREED. EXCUSE AND THIS IS WHY I HAVE COME HERE TODAY. LANCE BASS TO DEVELOPERS IS LIKE CRACK COCAINE TO AN ADDICT. YOU JUST GOT TO HAVE MORE. SEE A PIECE OF GRASS. THE HOME ON IT. EXPLORE EACH STUDY ONE BY FROM NORTH TO SOUTH FROM EAST TO WEST. SO THERE IS NO MORE. IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THEY SET THEIR DRUNK WITH GREAT EYES ON PORT. SHE'S THE BEST PIECE OF REAL ESTATE, ONE SPRINGS, AND 6 POINT THAT A LOT OF IT FOR A VERY NICE PROFIT. IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF THEIR COOKIE CUTTER HOMES AND CONDOS TO COME UP AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE COMPLETE WITH A PRECIOUS LITTLE BODY OF WATER IN THE CENTER. SO THAT WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUT WE MORE PEOPLE TO GET MORE MONEY. LET'S A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. ECO SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN PLACE FOR 12,000 YEARS. RESPECT FOR HISTORY ARCHEOLOGY IN NATURE SHOW FULLY MISSING. A PREVIOUS HIM THINKING THAT THE ENVIRONMENT AND ECOSYSTEMS RECKLESSLY REGENERATE THEMSELVES. WELL DON'T THEY SO IT IS UP TO USE CITY COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU DECIDE TO GO AGAINST THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS OF PORT. LESSING TO FURTHER EXPLOIT TO FACE FOREVER. CHANGE THE NATURAL HABITAT OF THIS PRECIOUS PLACE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE ALL COMMENT OR MINERAL SPRINGS. WILL FOREVER BE REMEMBERED FOR THIS. THIS WILL BE YOUR LEGACY. >> DEBBY BLACKWELL CAROLINE PRICE AND ROBBINS HAVE BEEN SENT GOOD MORNING NEIGHBORS. TAKING ENVIRONMENT FOR GRANTED IS NO LONGER AN OPTION. REMEMBER LAST SUMMER. SENSIBLE LAND USE USE TO ENSURE GOOD HEALTH AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT IS ESSENTIAL FOR CITIZENS FOR MANATEES FOR GOPHER TORTOISES. CHASE KEEP US COOL. IT KEEPS CONDITION CAUSED OUT. TREES ARE A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE WATER CYCLE. WE PLAYED GOOD NOT SUFFICIENTLY AFICION THE WATER CYCLE IS NOT JUST A DRAWING IN 4TH GRADE SCIENCE CLASS. IT'S REAL. WHEN SPRINGS IS THE ONLY WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WITH 51 VARIOUS MINERALS. BUT MOST IN THE UNITED STATES. SOMETHING 9 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY AT 85 COMFORTABLE TO DC AND MARYLAND. ♪ ROCK CREEK PARK. IT'S 1754 ACRES IN DC IS ONLY 63 SQUARE MILES. IT TOOK AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO GET THAT PARK AND THAT TO IT AS THE SMITHSONIAN TO WATCH PARK. CENTRAL PARK IN NEW YORK CITY IS 840 TO 8 YEARS IN THE BIG APPLE IS 468 SQUARE MILES. SOME OF FLORIDA HAS THE NATION'S LARGEST CITY PARK SYSTEM OVER 46,000 ACRES. THAT'S JUST 2 VOTES OUT 840 SQUARE MILES. 104 SQUARE MILES. THEN ALL SPRINGS, YEARS. LAST WEEK DURING THE POLICE STATION DISCUSSION IT WAS NON-STOP MENTIONED WETLAND WILL BE MITIGATED AND TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FORT LAUDERDALE AREA AND LOOK FOR LOT HELPING 37 SQUARE MILES AND LOOK AT THAT AD. NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE SUNSEEKER. PROCEDURES TO RECREATE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS INTO A LEADING EDGE. CASE ECO TOURISM HISTORY MINDED ESTIMATION. AND SUBSTANTIAL SANCTUARY FOR VOTERS. IN QUIT RATES, FLORIDA COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY STUDENT TALENT. SO THE SUNS WITH DISABILITIES AND FOR SOME KIDS, TECHNICAL STUDENTS. 2019 PLAN WAS APPROVED IT WAS VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION FOLLOW THE PLAN AND YOU THAT'S A LITTLE PANEL AND ALL NEW BUILDINGS COMING IN THAT WOULD REALLY REDUCE COSTS. I'M GOING TO MY TREE STONEHAM DOUGLAS. SHE'S AMAZING. MUST BE PROGRESS CERTAINLY. BUT WE MUST ASK OURSELVES WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS WE WANT AND WE WANT TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S IN THE NAME OF PROGRESS WE WANT TO DESTROY EVERYTHING BEAUTIFUL IN OUR WORLD. AND CONTAMINATE THE AIR WE BREATHE AND THE WATER WE DRINK. SOME WERE TROUBLE. NONE OF US HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >> I'M SPEAKING ON 2 DIFFERENT ITEMS NUMBER ONE I'M SURE YOU RECOGNIZE MY FACE, I'M SPEAKING ON THE 3.20. ACRE. BUT THE 262 ACRES THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. I. OBJECT TO HAVING YOU. SO THAT IS HIGH DENSITY. EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER SAYING HE'S NOT GOING TO BUILD HIGH DENSITY IN THAT AREA THAT DOESN'T THAT IF YOU APPROVE THAT YOU CAN. AND IF HE SELLS THAT PROPERTIES, SOMEBODY ELSE. THEY CAN. SO THAT AREA IS NOT GOING TO BE PROTECTED FROM BEING HIGH DENSITY WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE PHRASE THAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE. SO. I'M ASKING YOU PLEASE. TO REZONE THIS AS A LOW DENSITY OR EVEN MIDDLETON CITY. SO THAT THAT AREA HAS EVEN LESS IMPACT IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED ANYWAYS. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WARM MIDDLE SPRINGS. I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS I'VE ONLY BEEN THERE ONE TIME. BUT I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT AREA NEED TO BE CONSERVED WE CANNOT REPLICATE THAT AREA ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. ENDANGERED ANIMALS. A HUGE AMOUNT ON THAT PROPERTY. FOR THE SAKE OF SELLING IT TO DEVELOPERS AND GETTING A BETTER TAX BASE. IT'S CRAZY DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE REPLICATED ANYWHERE ELSE. IT'S ONE AND DONE. I THINK WE CAN FIND FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. TO REFURBISH THE PROPERTY AS IT IS NOW TO MAKE IT. SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO USE AND HAVE THE FACILITIES THAT THEY NEED WITHOUT DEVELOPING. BUSINESS CENTERS. AND HOMES IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORNING EVERYBODY. >> A TOKEN WOMAN WILL SPRING MONDAY TO CONCERN GENERALIZED AS. CONSERVATION. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE GROWING CITY WE ALL KNOW. THAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS HIRED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR EXPERTISE IS TO BE PLACED. NO ONE IS PUTTING IT DOWN FOR THAT YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU HIRED TO DO. HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO PUT A ON CERTAIN AREAS THAT NEED TO BE PRESERVED. ONE OF THEM IS WOMAN WILL SPRINGS. OTHER ONE WHICH I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND WAS THE OTHER MEETING ON THE 27TH ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION DRIVE AREA. NOW THAT WAS PUT ON THIS SENSITIVE PLANS WITH THE COUNTY. ALONG WITH WOMAN ELSE BRINGS IN SOME OTHER PROPERTIES. SO THERE'S 248 PARCELS WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION DRIVE AREA THAT WOULD DEEMED HIGHLY SENSITIVE FOR THE ENDANGERED SCRUB JAY. AND BOTH THE TORTOISE. WHEN I LISTEN TO THE MEETING AND I HEARD THAT IT WAS BEING PAID THE CONSTITUTION DRIVE I ALMOST DIED. ONCE YOU START DOING THAT IS NO SENSITIVITY ON THAT LAND YOU JUST REALLY JUST ON THE WHOLE AREA. AND THIS IS WHAT WE SEEM TO KEEP DOING. WE KEEP INTRUDING INTO AREAS THAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED. IN THE NAME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S ON SOME OF THE HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THE WAY THAT WAS MADE NEXT A CLOSE AND PUBLIX IS DISGUSTING. AND I GUARANTEE YOU THAT COMES HURRICANE THE ROOFS BLOWN. IT'S JUST HORRIBLE. SO LESLIE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE PROPERLY AND THAT SMACKED RIGHT WHERE IT'S GOING TO CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC FLOW AND A WHOLE SORT OF PROBLEMS. SO IF WE KEEP TAKING OVER WETLANDS IN THE NAME OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING WE'RE GOING TO BE SELLING LIMIT DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN HAPPENING. HAS BEEN AFFECTED THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND TO OF THAT DEVELOPMENT EVERYTHING IS BECOMING FRAGMENTED. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT AS A CITY THAT HAS TO BE AREAS IN THE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE SAY NO. THIS NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED HIS SPEECH PROTECTED AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO DO THAT OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE TOO LATE. THERE WAS SO MANY THINGS WE CAN BE DOING AS A CITY. CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING IN ORDER TO BE GREEN IT WAS THE TIME OUT TODAY USE AND THE CONSERVATION EFFORTS AT THE PUTTING INTO PLAY WE NEED TO ALSO DO THAT. THERE'S A BIG WARNING I'LL BE BACK LATER >> CHUCK ENGLISH AND JAMES STAFF >> GOOD MORNING, CHUCK ENGLISH. RESIDENT OF PORT. BUT THE RECORD. OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS BEEN GATHERING SIGNIFICANT PERSPECTIVE. ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE COMMUNITY. AS MANY OF YOU UP THERE NOW. AND MOST OF MY COMMUNICATIONS OR I A I. PERSON TO PERSON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I KNOW MOST U.S. PERSONS NOT POLITICIANS BUT RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. ONE THING HAVE GATHERED IS IT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS IT. >> SINGLE MOST POLITICAL DRIVEN. IT COMES TO. THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY NOW I TRULY UNDERSTAND AFTER 40 YEARS GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT. MANY THINGS WERE PUT IN PLACE KATE TO GO FOR SPECIFIC REASONING. ONE IS 3.20 PROJECT WHERE THE NOSE OWNING IT. ANYBODY ANYBODY DONE THE RESEARCH AS WHY THAT WAS OR NOT ZONE. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT HAS TO DO WITH THE PRESERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THOSE WEAPONS. YEAH COULD BE COMING UP IS A. AREA THE NEW. POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO GO THE WEAPONS AND THEY'RE ALL THOSE ARE CONNECTED. THEY WERE PROTECTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF WATER COMES FROM THAT FLOWS INTO OUR CANALS AND WATERWAYS LOWS INTO THE SNOW OVER AND THERE'S A PRIMARY OR USED TO BE THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF OUR DRINKING WATER THE MYAKKA HAD ♪ CREATE. AS WE'VE GROWN WE'VE GOTTEN EITHER. AT WATER WHICH IS COSTING US PEACE RIVER JUST WENT UP ♪ 6%. THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP. AND THAT'S YOU PROTECT. PRIMARY SOURCE OF DRINKING WATER AND THE FILTRATION SYSTEM WHICH ARE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. ONE THOSE THINGS AS PART OF A LEGACY PORT. IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONGER THAN ALL OF US. THE ONLY ISSUE SIGNIFICANT WE HAVE NEW PERKS OF CRITICAL COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THIS VOCAL MINORITY THAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT ALL RIGHT. YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT A MINORITY. BASED ON AGAIN SIGNIFICANT PERSPECTIVE GAINED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. MY MANTRA VERY SIMPLE. PUT IT TO A REFERENDUM. >> SO IT'S ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL POLITICAL. ♪ ASPECTS AND I WILL BE BACK ♪ THANK YOU. >> I KNOW GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING CITY MANAGER. WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU HAD TO GET THE SPRINGS AND GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC. SO THAT WE CAN READ IT FOR OURSELVES AND THAT IS JUST MOMENTOUS TASK. EVEN FOR PRIVATE SECTOR OF LIGHT READING THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO ANALYZE IT AND FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE WARM SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT IS THIS HUGE TASK AT HAND AND I APPRECIATE YOU AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND GETTING THAT OUT SO THAT WE CAN ALSO COME TO YOU AND VOICE OUR OPINIONS AS WELL. ON THAT NOTE. I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT. OUTCRY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT IS STILL COMING TOWARDS YOU DOING THE RESEARCH AND SPENDING THE TIME HERE ON DAYS AWFUL TAKING TIME OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO GIVE YOU THEIR OPINION. WITH THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. IF THERE'S ONE OF US THERE'S MANY OTHER OF US THAT COULD NOT BE HERE. WE DO HAVE THE ELECTION CYCLE COMING THIS YEAR. AND I DO WANT TO SEE SOME CONCLUSION. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. IN THE COMING MONTHS, SO THAT WE KNOW WHO WE CAN VOTE WHO ARE NOT VOTING FOR. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS A CITIZEN. WITH THE MONEY AND THE STEP THAT'S COMING IN THAT SCENE IN JUST THE BUDGETS AND THE LIGHT TOUCH OF THINGS. IT'S THAT WE HAVE IT WE CAN BEGIN RESTORATION OF THE SMALL BUILDINGS OF THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK BUT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. EVERYTHING THAT THEY OUTLINED IN TO US SO I WOULD RECOMMEND JUST MOVING SLOW WITH THAT AND TAKING OVER ALL OF THE SUBMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM ALL OF THOSE SURVEYS. THE GEOTECHNICAL IN THE SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND OF IT. ALSO THERE'S A FENCE AROUND THE SPRINGS. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR NOW. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE ANYMORE. YOU'VE EVER HAD LIKE CHAIN-LINK FENCE SURROUNDING YOU IN A PROPERTY. IT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING MORE DEGRADATION IN THE THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS BECAUSE ADDING DOWN ALL THE GRASS AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA THERE. SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT REMOVE IT MAY ALSO. ALLEVIATE SOME COSTS OF LEASING OFFENSE FOR OVER A YEAR. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON I'LL HAVE MORE LATER AND I ALSO WANT TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS MAYBE TO PONDER AND FOR THE STAFF, EVERYBODY AS WELL IS WE HAVE. THESE PUBLIC NOTICES THAT ARE BEING SUBMITTED WHERE THOSE BEING SUBMITTED TO SO THAT WE COULD SEE THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN ANOTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THE SPRINGS IF THE CITY DOES NOT WANT TO AND I STILL WANT TO SEE THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, SPECIFICALLY IN THESE PAPERS. >> MIGHT >> BUDDY BOUGHT >> HELLO MY NAME IS MEANT TO DO THAT AND I BELIEVE AND OBVIOUSLY SOME TROUBLE WATCH FRANCE. SO IF A CLOSE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY MENTIONED TOTALLY WE BUILT THIS IN 2022 AND WE FROM NEW YORK. BUT BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE 2 YEARS AND WE MOVED TO THIS COUNTRY FROM SO IF YOU'RE SO I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE YOU THEM. PERSPECTIVE FROM THE PERSON WHO HAS LIKE PROBABLY WHAT YOU NEED. BUT INTERESTING EXPERIENCE AND LIKE LYFT SAID THAT THE BIG THAT BEING SEEN FOR THE BIG DISTANCES KICKED. I'M SORRY I'M I'M BEEN AND THIS THE BIG BIG BIG PROBLEM HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE A FRESH LOW. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE SO GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD I WOULD SAY WHICH KNOW IS BEING DESTROYED BY BUT POLITICIANS, OKAY, WANT TO BRING POLITICS HERE BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE SOLID MIDDLE-CLASS AND MAY KNOW ABOUT THAT COMING AND COMING AND COME TO THE STATE PLIABLE. >> AND WHAT I SEE I SEE THE SAME GUYS. WHEN POLITICIANS. >> WELL DIDN'T PRESENT THAT DO SO THE CAUSE WAS. I'M PLACING BUT WON'T. BUT DEMANDING AND THAT PEOPLE JUST SAYING OKAY SKIMMERS I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO PREPARE FOR THAT AND SO WE NEED TO DEMAND THE ANSWERS. WHY DESTROYING GREATEST. HE'S A MAJOR MAJOR IN TO ADJUST. I DON'T THAT PEOPLE PEOPLE MENTION ALL OF BIGGEST COUNTRY. SOHO BLACK AND DON'T HAVE TO BE THE SCIENTIST IT HELPED GET DON'T HAVE MEAN MY HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM THAT BUT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS SO WHAT ABOUT FOR THE FRESHEST OFFICIAL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE GENIUS TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THAT'S A LOOK AT TOTAL DECISION EVEN FINANCIALLY. EVEN FINISHED WITH THE SHOW FROM THEY WILL DESTROY IMMUNE TO IT WILL THIS. HE'S GREATEST NATION. SO YOU DON'T HELP THE BUSINESS. I'M DISTRAUGHT THE STAND THAT BIG BIG CONSTRUCTION OF CONDOS AND EVERYTHING WILL DESTROY THIS PIECE OF LAND. WE HAVE SUCH A BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN YOU'LL WHICH I DON'T I DON'T EVEN KNOW, BUT THEY SEE THE RESULTS. AND THERE'S ALSO TERRIBLE SO PUT YEARS, OKAY, YES, PEOPLE JUST RAISE VOICE. WITH WANT THOSE BASED THIS GREATEST BE SOMEONE TO BE DESTROYED. AND WE NEED TO MAKE ANSWERS. MISSED IT I I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST TOO. BUT. >> WHAT THEY SEE ME. JUST OK SO I DID MY THANK YOU THANK YOU. OH OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT AGAIN, THANK COMMENTERS WHO CAME UP HERE. AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE IT PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR. YOUR VIEWS AND OPINION AND ALSO ANYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED. HAS TO BE ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT'S WHY WE WE CAN'T GET INTO A DISCUSSION. THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT 2 ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> THE CURRENT VACANCIES FOR THE FOLLOWING BOARDS AND COMMITTEES INCLUDE ART ADVISORY BOARD AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD CITIZENS TAX OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD POLICE OFFICERS PENSION TRUST FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES ADVISORY BOARD BETTORS PARK ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SARASOTA COUNTY ADVISORY COUNCIL VACANCIES, ONE RESIDENT OF NORTH PORT TO SERVE ON THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ONE RESIDENT PORT TO SERVE ON THE CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FACILITY PLANNING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION PLEASE SEE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THANK YOU. >> MOVING ON TO ITEM 4 WHICH IS SENT AGENDA. ANY MANAGER HAS OR ANY ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED. THERE'S ONE ITEM AT A MERE ITEM C. >> 0, 1, 3, WHAT ITEM WITH THAT GIVEN OKAY, THAT'S 2040 DASH 0, 1, 3, 1, IS THAT WHICH IS THAT AT. THANK YOU. >> OK AND WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. MOTION >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED PULLING ITEM C FOR DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TOO. APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA PULLING ITEM C OR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR STOKES ANYTHING FURTHER. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5, 0, CITY MAGICAL THAT ITEM. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TAKEAWAY YEAH, THE REASON WHY I PULLED IT ONE. >> FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN ON OR WE HAVE APPROVED A SURPLUS VEHICLE TO BE DONATED TO PROJECT GRADUATION I THINK THAT WAS MAYBE ONE POSSIBLY YEARS WHEN WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THAT. THIS YEAR IT HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED TO DONATE 2012 FORD EXPEDITION. BUT THE PART THAT KIND OF MADE ME PAUSE WAS. THAT THE CITY MANAGER FIND ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. DECIDE THAT. AND THAT KIND OF IS GOES AGAINST THE PURPOSE OF US IMPROVING DISPOSITIONS OF ASSETS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THE DONATION OF THE VEHICLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION BUT IF ANOTHER VEHICLE BECOMES AVAILABLE. IT SHOULD COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR US TO APPROVE IT AND TO PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE HEY THIS IS THE VEHICLE WERE GOING TO DONATING TO PROJECT GRADUATION SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY PULLED. >> YES 2 DOZEN RATE THIS WEEK MANAGE LOOKS. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAROL BOWEN FLEET MANAGER COMMISSIONER, THE MAYOR HAS A REGULAR MANAGER. >> THE REASON WE PUT THAT IN THERE IS SINCE LAST YEAR WE HAD AN ISSUE IT WAS A LATE ISSUE. WITH ME IT WAS A COMING OUT WE HAVE NO TIMELINE WE USED TO BE ABLE TO GET TIME TO GET PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE MARCH NOW VEHICLES LITERALLY SHOW UP. >> GIVEN TIME WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WHEN EAGLES ARE COMING WHICH WILL ALLOW US A REPLACEMENT. YES, WE DO HAVE AN EXPEDITION THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVE SLATED IN THE EVENT THAT VEHICLE COMES OUT IN MAY OR JUNE. WHENEVER WE GET INFORMATION THAT VEHICLE DOES NOT START. WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO BRING ANOTHER ONE OR HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION WE DON'T HAVE IN THAT TIME IF DOESN'T START OR SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING THAT VEHICLE. WE CAN'T WAIT WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO BRING ANOTHER VEHICLE FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WAS THE REASON FOR FOR THIS. >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YES, SO WITH THAT SAID I THOUGHT THESE VEHICLES WERE ALREADY VETTED AND CLEARED AND FOUND TO BE MECHANICALLY. SAFE. YES FOR DISPOSITION 2 TEENAGERS FOR PROJECT GRADUATION SO. IF WE'RE PROVING A EXPEDITION. FOR DISPOSITION FOR PROJECT GRADUATION WHY WOULD IT NOT BE MECHANICALLY SOME. 2 MONTHS. >> WILL BE ABLE TO SIT TEND TO NOT DO WELL. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM SO BEEN SITTING SINCE DECEMBER. SO WHEN WE GOT THE SUMMER, YES, IS ALL, BUT IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED. >> STARTED I MEAN IT'S IT'S AN ORDER LOT. WE DO NOT EXPECT ANY MORE MONEY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ENSURING THAT IT'S A SAFE VEHICLE FOR THE STUDENT. NO MA'AM IT DOES NOT GET STARTED OR UTILIZED WHATSOEVER. >> I'M SORRY GUYS. >> IF WE HAVE A DONATION THAT WE'RE MAKING TO PROJECT GRADUATION IN ITS SITTING NOT BEING USED. IT TAKES 10 MINUTES TO GO OUT AND START THE VEHICLE TO CONTINUE IT RUNNING N. >> VICE MAYOR. >> I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY PUT IN THE FACE AND CITY MANAGERS MAKE A DECISION THERE WAS THE NEED TO SWAP OUT THE VEHICLE. WHATEVER REASON. WE'RE ALSO RISING THAT VEHICLE. HE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION I THINK WHICH VEHICLE I REALLY THINK OUR CITY MANAGER HAS THAT. WHERE WHISTLE AND THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE THAT DECISION YOU KNOW I JUST SEE THIS AND NOTHING ISSUE IN MY OPINION. >> THANK YOU AND I HAVE TO AGREE CITY MANAGER OVERSEAS WHAT 200 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET OR SOMETHING THAT FACT I THINK. >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD AND I I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST 10 MINUTES AGO STARTED, BUT THAT MEANS SOMEBODY IS BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM DO LIKE PLACE. NO STREET SIGNS OR SOMETHING TO GO START VEHICLE. COMMISSIONER DOW. >> YEAH I'VE TEAR GOING START THE VEHICLE. THE OTHER THING IS IS YES, THE CITY MANAGER MANAGES A 250 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET EVERY SINGLE BUT IT IS OUR JOB TO GIVE HIM AUTHORIZATION WHAT GETS DISPERSED WHAT GETS DISPOSED WHAT GETS SAVED WHAT GOES TO PROJECT GRADUATION THAT IS OUR JOB. OKAY, I DON'T SEE THESE THINGS. >> FURTHER ON I'M LOOKING FOR MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION. >> TO >> ITEM 24 0, 1, 3, 1, AS PRESENTED. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR STILL TO APPROVE. CONSENT ITEM SE 24 DASH 0 ONE. 3 ONE. AS PRESENTED AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER NOTHING OUT BOTH. AND THAT PASSES 4 TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DISSENTING FOR REASONS STATED. >> I WANT IT PERFECTLY CLEAR THAT YES I AGREE THAT WE CAN VEHICLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION YES I START VEHICLE TO MAKE SURE IT'S RUNNING BUT I WILL ADVOCATING MY RESPONSIBILITIES AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO THE CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE TO SURE WE'RE DOING THINGS TRANSPARENTLY AND INFORMING THE PUBLIC WHAT **** IS GOING START FOR TUITION. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEM I. ORDINANCE SECOND READING. 2, 0, 2, 4 DASH 0, THIS IS CAUSE IT CITY CLERK READ THIS BY TITLE ONLY. >> IT'S NUMBER 2024 DASH 5 AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA REZONING APPROXIMATELY 262.34 ACRES LOCATED EAST OF TOLEDO BLADE BOULEVARD APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE NORTH. I 75 IN SECTION 6 TOWNSHIP 39 SOUTH RANGE, 22 EAST OF SARASOTA COUNTY AND FOR THE DESCRIBED MISTER MATT NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 3, 0, 4, TO 8, 0, 4, IN OFFICIAL RECORDS OF SARASOTA NO ZONING DESIGNATION DISTRICT AND D-DAY CLASSIFICATION TO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT PARMA LAST OCCASION AMENDING OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY FOR FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR FILING OF APPROVED DOCUMENTS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE AND EVERYONE WISHING TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY PLEASE STAND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. JAY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IS TRUE AND ACCURATE TO THE BEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE SO HAPPY ABOUT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO NOW I'M GOING TO ASK DISCLOSURE OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS COME COMMISSIONER EMRICH MAYOR BEFORE YOU GET I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT TODAY'S GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THERE WAS NOT ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT RELATED TO THIS ITEM AS A REMINDER. THOSE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE NOT PART OF THIS QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEDURE, THEY WERE NOT TAKEN UNDER OATH AND THEY WERE NOT MADE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ACCORDINGLY THEY ARE NOT EVIDENCE FOR THIS ITEM AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO INCLUDE THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE NEXT PARTY DISCLOSURE SINCE EVERYONE HEARD THE THANK YOU POINTING THAT OUT COMMISSIONER EMERICH LET'S START WITH YOU. >> YEAH I HAD NONE OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PRESENTED TODAY SINCE THE LAST MEETING. >> ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. >> I ALSO THERE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY AND THOUGH WHATEVER PARTE. PUT ON THE RECORD AS OF THE LAST MEETING THAT NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE >> ALL RIGHT AND I TOO HAVE NOTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT WAS SAID TODAY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT WHICH I LISTEN TO. >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON ALSO I HAVE ADDITIONAL EX PARTE EXCEPT WHAT WE HEARD THIS MORNING. AND COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YES, >> JUST TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD THE PUBLIC THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION THAT I SUBMITTED FOR FIRST READING STILL PLACED SECOND READING AND ALSO THE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THAT WE HEARD THAT TODAY'S MONEY. >> MOVING ON TO AGGRIEVED PARTIES ARE THERE ANY AGGRIEVED YOU SO I MOVED TO PRESENTATION APPLICANT YOU'RE UP FIRST. >> GOOD MORNING, MADAM AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE JEFFREY BEEN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT I HAVE BEEN SWORN. >> AT THE ARE BEATING YOU HEARD OUR PRESENTATION ALL OF OUR COMMON EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED THAT TIME WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TODAY. AND THAT WE DO HAVE OUR FULL TEAM HERE IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR VOTE OF APPROVAL ON SECOND RATING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT MOVING TO STAFF. GOOD MORNING, KARL PLANNING ZONING I HAVE BEEN SWORN. SO STAFF TO PRESENT FIRST READING THERE WERE NO CHANGE AT THE FIRST SO WILL LAST TO KEEP THAT ON THE RECORD. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH BASE ON A FEW THINGS. IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE'S NO ZONING DESIGNATION ON THIS PARCEL TO THAT MEANS IT WASN'T FOR DEVELOPED IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WHEN MIX PROPERTY, ZONING THAT GETS GIVEN TO HIS OWN THAT IS GIVEN TO IT IS NO ZONING DESIGNATION SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A GPA WITH THE CITY. YOU THEN HAVE TO BEFORE THE REZONE IT SO THAT'S A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH YEAR STATIONS. ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT AS PART OF THIS PROPERTY WAS. NEXT 10 AS PART OF LAWSON CARLTON RANCH. THE ORDINANCE 2022. AND LINE ONE 0, 7 OF THAT ORDINANCE SAYS RAPID GROWTH IN POPULATION INCREASE STATEWIDE AND WITHIN THE CITY'S GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS. >> HAS CREATED A COMMUNITY DEMAND FOR EXPANSION. IT WAS ALSO ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT WITH PROJECT AND IT IS ORDINANCE 22,020 N AND LINE ONE '08 AND IT SAYS INDEXATION OF THE PROPERTY IS NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH OF THE CITY. SO IT'S BEEN 24 YEARS AT THE INTENT OF THIS ANNEXATION WAS TO DEVELOP. AND DURING THAT 24 YEARS THERE'S BEEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER. PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUY AND TURN INTO A CONSERVATORY MUCH LIKE ORANGE HAMMOCK. HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT CAN SEE THAT ISN'T EVEN PART OF MONTANA TODAY. SO WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE IT DID NOT TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO WITH THAT WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO RECOMMEND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO A REBUTTAL. THE APPLICANT. >> AGAINST THE RECORD THAT JEFFREY BEEN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THE AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN. I. I THOUGHT I WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY. IT DURING FIRST OF ALL THE IDEA SOMEONE UP SHE USED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AT A HIGHER DENSITY AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE DNP IT'S UNDER STAFF REVIEW AND IS MAKING YOUR WAY TO YOU ALL. THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY OR AROUND 900 DWELLING UNITS TRAFFIC THE DMP THAT WE HAVE ON PROVIDES FOR AROUND 8 AROUND POSSIBLY. 879 CALLED 880 APPROXIMATELY UNITS SO FOR SOMEONE TO COME AND TRY AND DEVELOP THIS AND A HIGHER DENSITY WOULD REQUIRE A NEW TRAFFIC STUDY IT WOULD REQUIRE A NEW DNP SO THAT'S A WHOLE ROUND OF APPLICATIONS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND AGAIN AS I STATED LAST MEETING AS I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER WE HOPE TO HAVE A DNP BEFORE YOU TODAY AS WELL FOR APPROVAL, BUT IT JUST TAKES LONGER TO REVIEW. AND IT BUT WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE TO YOU ALL HOPEFULLY VERY SOON. I'M ALSO JUST BY WAY OF REMINDER. PROPOSED ABOUT PLAN. THIS PART OF THE BNP AS WELL SHOWS THAT A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE REZONE IS EITHER WETLANDS OR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED. AS COMPARED TO A SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER. PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED SO SO THE THERE'S THERE'S A GREAT DEGREE HIGH DEGREE PROTECTION OF WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES. IT GOES WITH OUR POST AND THAT'S IT FOR A BATTLE IN THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT BATTLE BY STAFF. WE HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I HAVE SUSAN BOMBER ALL I CAN CARS AND JUST SNAPPED. >> ALL AND YOU COME UP CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ALSO THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN. >> I'M SUSAN BOMBER AND A HALF AND SCORING. BUT THE THANK YOU FOR GIVING US YOUR ATTENTION WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED REZONING THIS PARTIAL OF LAND TODAY IS A MISTAKE. EACH TERM WE COME BEFORE YOU. OUR FACTS AND RESEARCH I MISTER BENNETT. OUR 3 MINUTES OF COMMENTS DO NOT ALLOW A RISK. AS RESIDENTS WHO VALUE IMPORTANCE OF NOT DISTURBING WETLANDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE UP FOR INCREASED SERVES AND THE PROTECTION OF AN ENVIRONMENT RICH WITH WILDLIFE. WE ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER RESIDENTIAL STATUS. DEVELOPERS BE CLOUDS LIGHT OF THE GREAT CHANGES THEY WILL BRING TO THE AREA PERSUADE YOU THAT ALL CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED AND THAT P. THAT YOU WILL DO WHATEVER ASK. THEY HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. YOU ARE THE ONES GIVING THEM PERMISSION. JUST BECAUSE DEVELOPERS I LAND THAT'S NOT GIVE THEM THE FREEDOM TO CONTROL YOUR DECISION. THE CITY IS STILL OUT AN EXCEPTIONAL QUANTITY OF WEAPONS TO BE MEDICATED IN THE LAST YEAR. JUST GOING TO LEAD A BLADE PET PLANTATION PANACEA WITH MORE SLATED NORTH OF 70 FOR THAT SHOWS HOW THIS CITY IT'S NOT MANAGING THE WET LIKE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT PERMITTING HAS BEGUN. THEY WILL ASSURE YOU EVERY ASPECT IS BEING DOCUMENT AND AN ADDRESS THAT AGENCIES AND DEPARTMENTS AND REGULATION. CAN US PERSONALLY BALLOT DAY THAT SO USE FOR ALL PATIENTS PURPOSES RATION THEM BUFFERING WILL NOT ALTER THE EXISTING WENT RIGHT. THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT AFFECT IN ANY WAY PRESERVES SO WETLAND. THAT THE WETLANDS WILL NOT BE AT FIRST PLAY IMPACT THAT THAT ANY PROPOSED BUILDING STRUCTURES OR BUILDING MATERIALS. THAT DEVICES ARE MACHINES AND THEIR ACCESS TO THE CONSTRUCTION AREA. WELL NOT TO STIR OR DESTROY THE WETLANDS. THAT WILDLIFE INCLUDING THE ENDANGERED AND THEIR HABITATS ON LAND AND WATER WILL BE PRESERVED. THAT WATER IMPACTS WILL NOT AFFECT SURROUNDING AREAS. I'M NOT SURE WE CAN GUARANTEE THAT THESE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN. AS REPRESENTATIVES WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER OUR BACKS AS IMPORTANT AS THE PERSUASIVE REBUTTAL. YOU ARE THAT ARE WE SAFE. THANK YOU. >> OK WHAT HEATHER'S HAND AND THAT I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC STUDY AGAIN. OH I'M SORRY PAM TOW CARS AND I'VE BEEN SWORN. IT TRAFFIC YEAH. >> ALL ABOUT IT. >> CITY CLERK IF YOU'RE HANDING SOMETHING OUT OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC COMMENTER IT MUST ALSO BE PROVIDED AT THIS TIME EVERY PARADE RECEIVING INCLUDING SENATE CAN WE JUST GET THAT ON THE RECORD THAT THAT BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO BOTH THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT PLACE. I MEAN AN EXTRA COPY FOR THE TOURNAMENT. >> FOR THE RECORD THIS IS BEING PERSON PROVIDED ALL PARTIES STAFF AND. MISTER THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A START OVER AGAIN MONEY SPENT TO ACQUIRE TONIGHT AND SWORE. >> REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY I REFER TO EXHIBIT 5. I KNOW THIS PROJECT THE TRAFFIC UP TO THE YEAR 2028 AND MISTER BLUE ATTORNEY BOONE DID STATE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT, BUT IF YOU DO LOOK AT EXHIBIT 5 IT SHOWS THAT NEW YEAR 2028. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING ONTO TROPICAIRE FROM TOLEDO VILLAGE 0. ALL OF THE 3,000 HOMES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT IN THAT BILL IT'S GOING TO ACCESS THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT. IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN 0. AND THEN THE MAP BUT I JUST HANDED OUT THIS IS THE MAP THAT WAS GIVEN TO SWIFT MET FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESSES STATED FEBRUARY 13TH 2024. SO IT IS KURT. IT SHOWS THE WETLANDS FOR THE PROPERTY AND IF YOU WILL VERY CAREFULLY YOU NEED A MAGNIFYING GLASS TO SEE IT UNDERNEATH THE WETLANDS YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL HOME PLACEMENT. IF YOU WILL THAT THE TOWN HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT. THEY DON'T BELIEVE DESTROYED WETLAND AT THAT IS TO THE TOP OF THE THE MAP THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WETLANDS IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT ON THE ATTACKS PAGES WILL BE 37 ACRES THAT WILL BE MITIGATED TO THE MYAKKA MITIGATION BANK. AND ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT ON ON TODAY'S AGENDA PLAN G WILL BE DIVIDED IN HERE. THAT'S WHEN THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S 4 BUILDINGS PLACED 2 ON THE TOP PART OF THE PROPERTY INTO THE BOTTOM PART OF PROPERTY DURING THE HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 26 FOR OUR USE E 22 DASHED. 2, 3, 7 COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. IT'S FOR EXPLANATION ON HOW THE 55 ACRES WOULD LOOK LIKE TURNING BOONE STATED THAT 0.3 7, 4, TO GET FLOOR AREA RATIO WILL HAVE BUILDINGS THE REMAINING TWO-THIRDS OF 55 ACRES. WELL HOW'S THE BUFFERING GREEN SPACES TREES. TROUBLED AND STORM WATER. I DO REALIZE THAT THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN, BUT THERE BUT THERE WAS REMAIN TWO-THIRDS OF THE 55 ACRES UNDEVELOPED WHY DID THEY PUT THOSE OTHER 2 BUILDINGS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PARCEL THAT IS FAR BIGGER FAR 2.3 7 HE SAID. NOW YOU ALSO SAID LAST MEETING THAT WAS NO BAIT AND SWITCH SO WHY ARE THOSE 2 EXTRA BUILDINGS THERE. ALSO IN THE COMP PLAN. FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FOR NATURAL RESOURCES PERTAINING TO AREAS. IT DOES MENTION THAT THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE AT IN TO THE CITY THAT THE CITY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF WETLAND ACRES THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THOSE WETLAND SYSTEMS AND CONSERVE EASEMENTS DIRECTLY NOR ABUTTING THE NORTH PORT CITY LIMITS. AS PART OF THE SANITIZATION OF THE LAND THE CITY CONSIDERED AS WATER RESOURCES THAT ARE FREELY AVAILABLE AS A POTENTIAL SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER TO THE CITY. SO JACK THE 6 OF THE CITY COMP PLAN UNDER THE CHAPTER FOR CONSERVATION G O P S. >> THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SHALL CONTINUE TO ENFORCE THERE I KNOW THOSE BITE BUT WE HAVE YES. >> WHEN I WAS JUST MOST OF WANT AS THE GOING TO BE GOING UP LIVE HERE ONE. WELL THE CITY ALL THE WAY FROM TAMPA NAPLES. AND I SAT IN TRAFFIC THIS MORNING ON MY WAY TO WORK AT TO SEE IT. 2 LANES BLOCKED ALL OF THE EXPRESS WHAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING THIS TRAFFIC STUDY FROM A PROMISE IT'S NOT RIGHT. I TRAVEL EVERY DAY. ALSO AFTER I RESCUE IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GET DOWN TO LITTLE AFTER THAT STORM. A OF PEOPLE WITH MEANS. I THEY'VE GOT MODEL. WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AND THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE THE MEANS TO GET OUT OF THERE IN TIME FOR YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND. TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO OUT WE HAVE TO BUT SOMEONE'S GOT TO START THINKING. MORE LONG I MEAN WE DON'T ENOUGH TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO GET ON THE EXPRESSWAY YET ALREADY STARTING TO BUILD TOWNHOUSES. AND OUT OF $0.7. WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THAT'S MY TIME GET. THANK YOU. >> ROBIN TIME SAINT MARY DID MOFFITT AND CHUCK ENGLISH. YOU SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS. A CAR FOR THIS ITEM. >> YOU COULD TAKE IT BACK IF IT'S NOT. ♪ ♪ THANKS. DO NAME IS MARY JEAN MOFFITT AND I HAVE TO COMMISSIONERS I'M NOT FAVOR OF THIS RESULT. I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF THE INDUSTRIAL RESULT, EITHER BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. >> THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AT THAT END OF TOLEDO BLADE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE WALL TO RANCHING BATTLING TO MAKE A POOR CHOICE FOR LARGE BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED THERE. BUT IT'S A MOOT POINT NOW SINCE IT PASSED READ IT I STILL BELIEVE THE INVEST REAL PROPOSAL WAS A TOKEN OFFERING FOR THIS DEVELOPER TO GET TO YOU TO AGREE TO PASS THE RESIDENTIAL PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE BAIT. THIS JANUARY THE COMMISSION PASSED THE REZONING REQUEST. POCATELLO PROPERTY ON SUMPTER TO GO FROM PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO RESIDENTIAL. IT'S HARD TO GRASP LOGIC. HOSPITAL COMING IN JUST UP THE ROAD ON SUMPTER THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IDEAL FOR THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE OF MEDICAL SERVICES HIGH PAYING JOBS. NOW LAST. I SEE RECENT REPORTS FROM THE CITY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, HAVING THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES COMING TO PORT. IN JANUARY WITH 71 IN FEBRUARY 23. THEY ARE MOSTLY ENTREPRENEURIAL. IT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE CAN START OF THE BUSINESSES AND WORK OUT OF THEIR HOLES. I SUPPORT THAT BUT I DO WANT TO SEE AND HEAR THAT WE HAVE HIGHER PAYING JOBS COMING TO PORT. SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK HERE. YOU SHOULD TOO. WE NEED A BALANCE YOU HAVE ECHOED THAT SOME OF YOU CAN'T PAINT ON THAT PROMISE TO WORK TOWARDS HIGHER PAYING JOBS. SOME OF US INTO YOUR PROMISES. I WANT TO DIRECT MY ATTENTION TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE INDUSTRIAL PROPOSAL. YOU SAY WE NEED TO WORK COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO OFFSET OUR TAXES. MORE IMPORTANTLY TO BRING IN HIGHER PAYING JOBS. WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT. WHERE IS THAT HAPPENING. HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST. GIVING AWAY PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY. PROJECT 3.22 INDUSTRIAL. I WANT YOU TO STICK WITH THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE HOUSING OF THIS KIND AND THE PROPOSED HOUSING WOULD NOT ALLOW THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE INDUSTRIAL PART TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN THAT HOUSING. IT'S GOING TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THOSE SALARIES. YOU HAVE JOB GREAT REQUIREMENTS TO MEET FROM THE MONEY RECEIVED PUT IN THE WATER AND SEWER ALL ALONG TOLEDO BLADE. I 75. THAT WAS MENTIONED WHEN YOU PASS THE INDUSTRIAL PART. MORE HOUSING WILL NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT WHY OUR TREE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT NOW. THERE IS STILL TIME APPROVE THE RESIDENTIAL REQUEST AND HOLD OR STRATEGIC PURPOSEFUL ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY IS LEFT. DO WHAT YOU PROMISED US, THERE IS STILL TIME DO THE RIGHT THING. >> I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN SWORN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE. AND THAT THIS ASPECT TO IT. THE FRAGMENTATION OUR. WETLANDS WHICH IS CONTINUE. ALL RIGHT NOT JUST. DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL OR REZONING. WE HAVE SEEN CONSISTENTLY. PLANS APPROVED. AND PROPERTY RESOLD. ONCE THIS IS THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS. STONE PREVIOUS ACTIONS. DEVELOPMENT. WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEY CAN SO AND THE NEXT PERSON GO THE MAXIMUM DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. THEY CAN. CAN'T FRAGMENTING THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE SAKE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO I D A WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE. >> THAT'S IT FOR THAT OK. >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YEAH, ONE QUESTION MAYOR AND RELATED TO THE REZONING ONLY. ULDC CODE ONE 34, I'M SORRY SECTION ONE. 34 GIVES A LIMITATION TO REZONE PROPERTY OF 2 YEARS. DNR CODE, BUT IT'S UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY. TO ESTABLISH THIS PERIOD OF TIME OF NOT LESS THAN 2 YEARS. FROM ACTIVE DATE OF REZONING. WHICH IF IT IS GRANTED. THEY HAVE THE TIME LIMIT THAT WE SPECIFY TO ACTUALLY COMMENCED DEVELOPMENT. AND IF IT'S NOT COMMENCED WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME THAT THIS COMMISSION IT REVERTS BACK TO ITS NO ZONING DESIGNATION. SO MY QUESTION IS TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. DO WE GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH A PERIOD OF TIME NOT LESS THAN 2 YEARS. WHERE ZONING THEN WOULD REVERT BACK TO NO ZONING DESIGNATION. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL OUR OFFICE HAS LOOKED AT THIS SECTION ONE DASH 3, 4, PREVIOUSLY AND WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH SPECIAL LAND USE COUNCIL REGARDING IT AND MY COUNSEL TO THIS BOARD WOULD BE TO NOT GET ALLIES THAT PROVISION OF THE IT VERY WELL COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE A TYPE OF CONTRACT ZONING WHICH IS ILLEGAL AND THERE ARE ALSO POTENTIAL CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS. IS A VIOLATION OF EQUAL PROTECTION AND A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS TYPE OF PROVISION WILL NOT BE PART OF OUR NEW ULDC. RE RIGHT SO OUR LEGAL OPINION IS THAT THIS CODE PROVISION, WHAT DOES STILL EXIST IN OUR CODE BUT IS NOT LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE AND MY ADVICE WOULD BE NOT TO UTILIZE IT. >> SO COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME AND MAYBE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, A COPY OF THAT PEOPLE OPINION. >> WE HAVE ANALYZED THIS BUT WE HAVE NOT WRITTEN A LEGAL OPINION OR HAVE WE BEEN ASKED TO IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO WRITE A LEGAL WE CAN DO THAT THAT WOULD APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 10 ATTORNEY HOURS AND MAY INCREASE OUTSIDE COUNSEL IS WHICH WE DO HAVE BUDGETED IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BUDGET SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CONSENSUS OR A MOTION TO DO THAT FOLLOWING THIS ITEM WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT OTHERWISE I DELIVERED THE SUMMARY OF THE ADVICE HERE. THEY WE TO GET CONSENSUS. >> TO HAVE CITY DRAFT THAT LEGAL OPINION SHARE IT WITH COMMISSIONERS I WOULD BE GRATEFUL. OKAY. COMMISSIONER LANGDON NO. >> YOU DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS SO WHAT NOW MAKE A MOTION AS YOU KNOW. >> MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY DRAFT A LEGAL OPINION AS IT RELATES TO SECTION ONE DASH 34 OF THE. ULDC. >> AND WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER >> AND WE HAVE BACK PLACE BUT THAT MOTION HOUSE. >> TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT A LEGAL OPINION AS IT RELATES TO SECTION ONE DASH 20 THAT THE SECTION 4, ONE DASH 34 OF THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MOTION. >> OKAY THANK YOU. NOT HEARING A SECOND SO THAT MOTION FAILS. >> ALL MUCH EUROPE. >> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION I JUST HAVE A COMMENT THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT OR ALL RIGHT. >> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT THE ESTATES AND I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY SINCE 1989. AND. PART OF OUR. HERITAGE AND STUFF IS. ARE AREAS OF WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENT. AND I HAVE NOT BEEN IN FAVOR OF THIS PROCESS OR THIS. DEVELOPMENT SINCE NUMBER ONE AND THIS IS OUR LAST EFFORT AS A COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO SET UP HERE BECAUSE. I BELIEVE THIS IS NOT ONLY A DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY. BUT IT COULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE ENTIRE CITY. BE A POSSIBLE FLOODING WATER SUPPLY TRAFFIC. I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE EVERYBODY YOU LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU SEE ALL OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE ARE MAKING OURSELVES OVERCROWDED. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST AREAS THAT I BELIEVE AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED OUT BECAUSE. IT IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE. IT IS OUR WATER SUPPLY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO JUST PULL BACK THE REINS SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT. LET'S GET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT THAT MOVE FORWARD AND. JUST WHAT I MEANT AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I WANTED TO SO THROW OUT A COMMENT BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THIS LAND WAS. AND EXTEND AND I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF I BRING THAT UP THAT WAS GIVEN AN OZONE DESIGNATION BECAUSE WAS A MASSIVE PROJECT WAS PROPOSED CALL AISLES OF THAT RAIN NOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE. A MASSIVE AND THEY WEREN'T SURE HOW THEY WOULD USE THE LAND THAT'S WHY IT WAS GIVEN KNOW IS OWNING DESIGNATION WAS NEVER AN CONSERVATION THAT ALONG WITH THE ORANGE HAMMOCK THAT WAS ALSO AN THE TO THAT A CITY AND THEY ARE CHIMING DID GO UP FOR AUCTION AND THE MOST THEY GOT 42 MILLION AND THE OWNERS DID NOT WANT TO. EXCEPT THAT AND THAT'S WHY IT WENT. OUT FOR CONSERVATION AND THE CONSERVATION FOUNDATION SPEARHEADED PROJECT TO GET THAT. BUT THEY FINAL PRESS WAS 22 MILLION ON THAT PARTICULAR. PROPERTY IRONICALLY AFTER WHOLE AISLES OF THE FEW TO FELL THROUGH BECAUSE OF DOWNTURN IN REAL ESTATE MARKET. THE OWNERS WANTED TO BE AT ITS FROM THE CITY BECAUSE NOW PAYING CITY TAXES THAN AND THAT JUST WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN SO JUST FOR THOSE AGAIN WARNED HERE FOR ALL OF THAT WHY THIS LAND HAS IT AS ZONING DESIGNATION AND WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT LAND ANNEXED AND I THINK IT'S BEEN STATED OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT PLAN HAS ANNEXED INTO APOLOGIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT TO PRODUCE TAX REVENUE. BECAUSE THAT LAND HAS TO BE SERVICED BY MUNICIPALITY. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE HISTORY. AS COMMISSIONER ELRICH SAID YOU KNOW BEEN HERE SINCE 1990'S SO HAVE SEEN A HISTORY OF A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND I WAS ALWAYS INVOLVED IN THAT YES I WAS THAT ONE IS THAT THAT COMMENT STAND ALL THE TIME SAYING THINGS I DID HAVE A THIS IS FOR STAFF WORTHY OF THE ON THIS HANDOUT THAT THEY RECEIVED ABOUT WETLANDS. IT BILL ANY ASIAN OF JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY SWIFTMUD. >> SO MY QUESTION IS THIS WITH MY ITS MY UNDERSTANDING I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THIS OR CLARIFY WITH MY DETERMINES THE VALUE OF WETLANDS THAT THERE ARE WETLANDS BUT IF THEY DON'T CONSIDER THEM TO BE. A VALUE THAT TO BE PRESERVED BECAUSE THERE ARE WETLANDS BEING PRESERVED SO I'M GATHERING THOSE ARE VALUABLE WETLANDS WHERE AS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT BEING. THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH VALUE WHICH IS WHY SWIFTMUD TO MAKE DETERMINATION OF WHAT CAN GO AND WHAT CAN STAY. I'M HOPING I MY QUESTION. >> AND THIS RAMBLING POINT COLLEGE PLANNING AND ZONING. SO THE STATE TOOK AWAY ALL A STORY THAT CITIES HAVE TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS. SO THAT WILL BE DONE COMPLETELY TO THEM. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY DETERMINE. WHICH WETLAND STAY AND WHICH ONES. DALBEC HAS ON ON THIS HANDOUT IT SHOWING THERE'S AIR WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING. NOT STAYING CORRECT SO THEY MADE THAT DETERMINATION. >> YES MA'AM MAYOR AFTER THE RECORD JEFFREY, THEN I'M GOING TO OUR EXPERT A MISTER GLENN OR 2 TO RESPOND YOUR QUESTION. IN 10 GO AND ARE FOR THE RECORD I'VE BEEN SWORN. >> SO THE PROCESS IS ENVIRONMENT OR THE ECOLOGIST THAT PART OF OUR TEAM. THOSE OUT FLAGS ARE IDENTIFIES WHAT THEY BELIEVE ARE THE WETLANDS FOR THE PROPERTY. THEN THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE REQUIRED HAVE WITH MY OR THE OVERSEEING JURISDICTION COME OUT AND VERIFY VOTES. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS DOCUMENT INDICATING PAT VERIFICATION BY AGENCY HAS DELINEATED THOSE AND AGREED UPON WHAT WETLANDS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> ALL RIGHT AND IT WON'T VERIFIED THAT. IS A 123 ACRES. WETLANDS THAT ARE REMAINING ON THE PROPERTY. BUT I HAVE HERE FOR NUMBER. >> MADAM MAYOR AGAIN HONOR FOR THE RECORD. SO I'M JUST GOING TO BRIEFLY GO AGAIN WE ARE PRESERVING OR IDENTIFY OVER A 180 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE. WITHIN THAT 143 OF THOSE ARE WETLANDS 143 A WE'RE IMPACTING BASED ON THE DOCUMENTATION. THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS PART OF THE ERP AND THE MITIGATION PROCESS APPROXIMATELY 13%. THOSE WETLAND OVERALL WETLANDS ON THE SITE. SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BUT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH ARE CLUSTERING OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO RETAIN SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT APPROXIMATELY 54% PRESERVED WETLANDS. >> OK AND SO THE ACREAGE FOR DEVELOPMENT I HAD 74 ACRES BUT THAT'S IS THAT LESS THAN THAT NOW BECAUSE MY ORIGINAL FIGURE WAS 20 ACRES OFF SO. THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IS LESS THAN 74 ACRES. >> SO IF I CAN GO THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS 262 ACRES FOR RESIDENTIAL RIGHT PORTION. AND WHAT IS BEING RETAINED A 4. OPEN-SPACE 180 ACRES. SO. REAL QUICK. WELL THAT COMES UP TO 74 ACRES. I. YES YEAH THAT IS MY MATH, EQUALS OR THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. >> SO THAT 74 ACRES IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED THAT THAT WOULD BE THROUGH HOUSING SITES. >> PARKING OKAY, SO I WANTED TO THE MATH ON THAT THAT'S 20% OF THE LAND IS BEING DEVELOPED. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT WE'RE THERE. ALL RIGHT I THAT QUESTION AND. ♪ AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CAN BE ANSWERED, BUT I KNOW THAT THE ♪ REZONING IS FOR HIGH DENSITY. IS IT THE FACT THAT THERE'S ONLY 74 ACRES THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED IS THAT LIE. GO FOR THE HIGH DENSITY BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE. MUCH THERE THAT YOU CAN SENT THAT THAT. >> FOR THE RECORD IN ATTORNEY FOR THE APP AND THE THE REASON FOR THE HIGH DENSITY. WAS BECAUSE OF THAT THAT AND NORTH PORT'S OVERALL REGULATORY SCHEME THAT ALLOWS FOR A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES BECAUSE HERE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING. FRIDAY'S OUTSIDE SO IT'S HOUSING TYPE O K. >> ALL RIGHT THAT'S IT FOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. >> QUESTIONS SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO CLOSING ARGUMENTS WE DON'T HAVE ANY REED RD SO STAFF TO HAVE CLOSING ARGUMENTS. >> GOOD MORNING CALL BEEN PLANNING AND ZONING. I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE STAFF STAFF THE BOARD THAT WE WERE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MENTIONED OR FOR WETLANDS IN TRAFFIC. A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PETITIONS OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS RESULT DOESN'T APPROVE DEVELOPMENT. SO A LOT OF US THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER. I DO WANT TO RESTATE ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THAT THAN I LOVE THIS REZONING. WOULD DENY THE HOME THAT WOULD DENY THE OWNER THE RIGHT TO USE THE PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO STAFF TO SUPPORT THIS REASON. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CLOSING ARGUMENTS BY APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME YOU SPENT LAST MEETING IN THIS MEETING ARE POSED APPLICATIONS. JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT TO MISTER BENCH JUST TOLD YOU THAT THE BNP IT'S IN PROCESS REALLY COMING TO YOU. IS A NECESSARY STEP BEFORE THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENTS APPROVAL OF THE REZONING DOES NOT APPROVE ANY DEVELOPMENT NOBODY CAN GO OUT TOMORROW AND START AND START TO DEVELOP THEM. OVER THE YEARS I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED WHEN A DOCUMENT SHOWS UP. AND ESPECIALLY THE SECOND SECOND READING AND THE DOCUMENT WAS HANDED OUT TODAY IS AS I UNDERSTAND IT AND AT LEAST WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO YOU ALL DAY LET ME LET ME GO THERE SO THIS IS. IF IT'S WRONG IT'S NOT BECAUSE I SAID IT IS, BUT WHAT YOU WERE TOLD WAS THAT DOCUMENT WAS PART OF THE FILE OF YOU WILL THAT'S WHAT MY FOR THE WETLANDS PERMIT. AND AND WE WE HEARD WORDS BEING TOSSED AROUND ABOUT GUARANTEES GUARANTEES WILL THERE IS ONE GUARANTEE WE CAN GET TO YOU ALL AND THE CITIZENS NORTHWARD. IF THE PERMITS ARE NOT ISSUED BY SWIFTMUD FOR DEVELOPMENT THERE WILL BE NO DEVELOP OR AT LEAST THERE WILL BE NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED TODAY SO THAT IS THE ONE GUARANTEE SO SO THE BOTTOM LINE WETLANDS ISSUE IS IS THAT. OUR PROPOSED PLAN HAS TO BE APPROVED BY SWIFTMUD AND IF IT'S NOT THAT PROPOSED PLAN CANNOT GO FORWARD. THAT'S NOT TO SAY. YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE OBTAINED 2 SEEM TO BEEN FOCUSING TODAY ON WETLANDS BUT WITHOUT WEAPONS FROM SWIFTMUD THAT THIS PLAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. EDGE AS YOU ALL KNOW YOU HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT MAYOR WHITE I WAS RIGHT THERE WITH YOU AND ALL THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS EVEN THOUGH I DID WORK ON HOUSING THAT BRIAN WHATEVER HIS NAME IS TOM RIGHT BRIAN SEEM TO ALWAYS WANT TO WELLEN PARK WHAT'S NOW IN PART WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT. SO I WAS ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND YOUR RECOLLECTION OF ALL THAT IS ACCURATE AT LEAST IS CONSISTENT WITH MONTHLY PUT IT THAT WAY. THIS PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY TO BE DEVELOPED. IT WAS NOT INDEXED TO BE CONSERVATION. IN FACT IT WAS MEANT TO BE CONSERVATION OR MENTOR REMAIN AGRICULTURAL FOREVER. IT NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ANNEXED BECAUSE ALL THAT DOES IS AND CITY TAXES TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO COULD DO WHATEVER. HE WANTED TO DO IN THE COUNTY ALONG THOSE LINES WITHOUT ANNEX THE CITY. I DO THINK AS MISTER EGELAND EMPHASIZED AGAIN TODAY RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS. THIS DEVELOPMENT, THE MP THAT'S IN PROCESS TO YOU ALL. ALLOWS FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. LAST MAP I SAW WAS 71 OR 72% OF THE PROPERTY I WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. THAT'S REMARKABLE QUITE FRANKLY FOR PROPERTY OF OF THIS SIZE AND I WORK ON A LOT OF PROPERTIES OVER THE THAT ARE LARGE LIKE THIS ONE. AND WITH THAT MUCH SAID I JUST WANT TO FINISH WITH THE PROPOSED REZONING YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE MORE THAN ADEQUATE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD IN SUPPORT OF THE A RECENT APPROVAL, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OR ALL RIGHT. OKAY CLOSING THIS. PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MOTION. MAKE HIT AND MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4, DASH 0, 5, AND FIND THAT BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC INTEREST HEALTH SAFETY GENERAL WELFARE THAT THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND CITY OF NORTH PORT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE STANDARDS LISTED SECTION ONE DASH 33 E ONE PER N THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAPPENED THAT. ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 5, >> AND FIND THAT BASED ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THE REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE AND THAT THIS SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF NORTH PORT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE STANDARDS LISTED IN SECTION ONE DASH 33. >> POINT ONE OF THE NIGHT. YOU NOT UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAVE BEEN MET AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. >> MAYOR BEFORE DELIBERATE VOTE AYE. JUST ABOUT TO YES RIGHT. WITH US MAYBE I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT AND REMIND THE BOARD THAT THIS APPLICATION RELATES REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT RELATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY OR THE DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN IN YOUR MEETING MATERIALS, YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOTION MAKER FOLLOWED THE SAMPLE MOTION TO APPROVE. YOU ALSO HAVE A SAMPLE MOTION TO DENY IF ANYONE IS INCLINED TO VOTE AGAINST 9TH THIS PROJECT. THE THE BASES MUST FOLLOW THE LEGAL PORT IN A SIMPLE MOTION TO DENY SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT AND MAKE SURE OUR RECORD IS CLEAR ON THAT POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION MADE BY AGAIN VICE MAYOR HAS STATED. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON SO AND THAT PASSES 3 TO 2 WITH COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND RICH. DISSENTING FOR REASONS STATED. THANK YOU. >> DID NOT GIVE A REASON TONIGHT, OK. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE COMP APPROVAL WAS 4 FOR DENSITY RESIDENTIAL I ALSO BEEN PROJECT FROM THE BEGINNING. I VOTED FOR IT. LAST TIME AT FIRST READING BECAUSE I REALLY FELT LIKE THERE WAS NO NO LEGAL BASIS TO DID NOT. BUT TODAY I AM TO 9 I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE CONTINUE TO REZONE OUR PROPERTY. FOR AN AREA THAT IS VERY SENSITIVE FOR EVEN MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE THE REASONS FOR DID YOU WANT TO STAY ANY OF THOSE JUST IN MORNING ASKED. ALL >> LOOKING FOR THE WILL OF THE BOARD I'M WILLING TO GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM WE OKAY WITH AND THEN BREAK >> WE'RE GETTING INTO LUNCHTIME WHEN WE JUST PERSEVERE TOO >> I WOULD SAY DO ONE MORE ONE MORE AND THEN BREAK LAUNCH SURE SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 2 CITY CLERK AND YOU READ THIS BY TITLE ONLY. >> FOR MONTGOMERY TWENTY-TWENTY 4 DASH 0, 2, AND ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA AND AXING VACCINATE 2.4 9 ONE ACRES OF REAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH RIVER ROAD AND SOUTH TAMIAMI TRAIL AND PROBATED AREA OF SARASOTA CONTINUOUS TODAY EXISTING CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA REDEFINING THE BOUNDARY LINES OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT TO INCLUDE THE PROPERTY WRITING FOR FINDINGS, PROVIDING ANNEXATION MENDING THAT OFFICIAL ZONING MAP PROVIDING FOR ASSESSMENT AND TAXATION PROVIDING FOR FILING OF DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE COMPLEX PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALRIGHT CITY CLERK TO DO THAT SO WELL IN QUICKLY. CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR. THE CITY COMMISSION HEARD THIS I DON'T HAVE EVERY 3, 7, 2024. >> NOTED BY DUE TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 GO TO 2 SECOND READING ON WORKED OH YES, AND THE CITY COMMISSION THE DOT 23 DASH BUTTON US 41. AND TAMIAMI TRAIL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 0, 2, DASH 2, TODAY. THANK >> THANK YOU LOOKING FOR COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S CLOSING THIS PUBLIC AIRING AND REQUESTING A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION MAN AMERICA IT. >> I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 2 AS PRESENTED. >> ALL >> RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 2, AS PRESENTED MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON AND THEN AND SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR STOKES IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. >> I LIKE THIS ON MAYOR, I'M SORRY GO AHEAD. >> A PART OF THIS MOTION IS APPROVING I'M SORRY THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP. THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP I HAD BROUGHT UP NUMEROUS TIMES PREVIOUSLY DURING AGENDA BRIEFINGS. ZONING MAP THAT WE ARE APPROVING WITH ORDINANCE IS NOT ACCURATE. FOR ONE THE ZONING MAP DOES NOT REFLECT THE APPROVAL OF THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF RIVER ROAD IN 41 WHICH WAS APPROVED FEBRUARY 27TH. IT ALSO DOES REFLECT. REZONE THAT WE JUST APPROVED. NO ZONING DESIGNATION TO RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY. AT THIS POINT IN TIME I DON'T KNOW. IS THIS A SECOND READING. THIS HAS NOT BEEN IT'S NOT CORRECT. I SEE MISS RIGHT COMING DOWN TO ANSWER THAT ♪ THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. ELAINE, RYAN DIRECTOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. >> THE CODE ALSO SAYS WE HAVE 30 DAYS TO AMEND THE MAP TO REFLECT ANY CHANGES ONCE THE ADOPTION IS COMPLETE SO WHEN AMEND THESE MAPS AND THIS IS ♪ >> AN AMENDMENT. SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT IT APPLIES TO THIS PARCEL DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY OTHER PARCEL OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE TO REZONINGS AND A SECOND READING IN THE SAME MEETING OR TOO EXTENSIONS WON AN EXTENSION AND A REZONING AND THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE WAY THE STATE. ENABLES US TO TO ACT SO. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO REFLECT ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. RECENTLY OR EVEN TODAY. WE HAVE TIME TO AMEND THAT TO REFLECT ALL OF THOSE CHANGES AND THE BOARD'S THE COMMISSION'S ACTION TODAY FOR THIS ITEM AND THIS MAP RELATES ONLY TO THE PARCEL THAT MENTIONED IN THE OR. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND THE THING ELSE. WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. LET'S. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. I WOULD LIKE JUST TO DO THE NEXT WITH THAT HERE WITH. >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO ITEM C ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 4, CITY CLERK THIS BY TITLE 2024. GUESS ORDINANCE OF THE FLORIDA AMENDING THE UNIFIED COMFORT RECREATE THE REVISED FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY. >> AND SO SURE GREAT MAPS AND RELATED DEFINITIONS BY AMENDING SECTION 17 DASH 9.17 DASH 84 BIDEN FOR FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM. >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR OF CITY COMMISSION HEARD THIS ITEM AND THAT EVERY 27 2024 VOTED 5 TO 0 TO CONTINUE ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 4 DASH BEFORE SECOND READING ON WORST OF IT. MISSION OF DOT WITH THT DASH 23 DASH 2, SO ORDINANCE 2, 0, 2, 4, DASH O FOR TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT THANK COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. NOT SEEING ANY MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND OUT COMES OKAY. I GOT ALL DOWN THE YOU KNOW SHE WAS CALLED. >> COUNTER THAT. >> I GUESS WHAT. >> PRESIDENT OR AS THE U.S.. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT. MISTER ENGLISH. ON THIS ITEM. ACTUALLY WHICH KNOW WE HAD THIS IS THE FEMA MAPS. >> I >> GET RESPECTIVE TO THE POINT SOME OF YOU WERE CONSIDERING NOT NEW EVEN CONSIDER THAT. PEOPLE. KNOWINGLY YOU KNOW HARM'S WAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PURCHASING PROPERTY. BECAUSE. MANY OF REALTORS ARE. THEY SOMETIMES DON'T DISCLOSE ALL THE DETAILS. IN A SALE. YOU KNOW THEY SHOULD AND THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. NOT THESE MAPS WOULD BE DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY AND FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT MOVE HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK MUCH THIS IS OUR SECOND READING THIS SO I'M LOOKING. CLOSING PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUESTING A MOTION MAKE IT. >> MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4 DASH 0, 4, A SPEECH SECOND. >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 4, AS PRESENTED AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY. >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON IF THERE'S NOTHING AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. IT A THIS IS MY GO TO AIR THAT'S WHY >> WE ARE AT 1143 AND IS THAT THE WILL OF THE BOARD TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AND IF SO HOW MUCH TIME DO WANT. >> MINUTES HOW MUCH ARE OKAY 30 MINUTES, SO WE'LL BE BACK AT WELL THERE. CALL IT A K MAKE AN BE BACK. >> PLEASE STAY SAFE OUT THERE. ♪ >> OH MY GOSH. ♪ >> AND GOES NUMBER 2. YOUR JOB NEVER STOPPED YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO DECOMPOSE. ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT KIND LIKE A CHAMP THERE ARE WAYS OF OUR GET >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CASH IN THE WATER. THEY DO YOUR PART IN LAB. ♪ ♪ TEAM HAS STEADILY ANYTHING ALSO LIKE THIS CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR WILL IT. ♪ >> WORD TO RECOVER. ♪ >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST I WAS RECYCLED DRIVER FOR 5 YEARS FOR THEIR CITY, POINT AND THEN I BECAME THE PLAN A SCHEDULE AFTER TAKING AN INTEREST EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON HOW TO RECYCLE PROPERLY MY POSITION MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY I START OUT BY VISITING THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE GARBAGE AND RECYCLING CONTAINERS TO BE DELIVERED AND I WILL GO SEE THEM AND EDUCATE THEM ON A SOLID WASTE GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT CYCLE ♪ CONTAINERS MANUALLY. FOR CONTAMINATION. AND THEN I WILL TAKE CALLS FROM DRIVERS IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH ♪ A REPEAT. GARBAGE IN RECYCLE AND I WILL GO EDUCATE THE WHAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS THERE ARE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE THEM ♪ ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO RECYCLE PROPERLY. PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO THE NORTH PORT. >> HERE TODAY, WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8, 0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE DO THAT. >> CAN ALSO GO ON A WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO WHEN IN DOUBT. >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY SET OUT WHAT YOU THINK PLACE OUT WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES CHEMICALS. >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP BOTH VICTIMS ARE A GOOD QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1650 CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED BY 27 IS ONE CUBIC ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S NOT GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050. ♪ >> I'M >> STACEY LOVES OF EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM, SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET THE STORM AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY COSTS AND OTHER SO WE WILL HAVE A BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT PRIORITIZE BASED AND THE OTHER RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO CLEAR THE ROADS ANY HAUSER'S A SKILL THAT OUR ♪ VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND RESPOND THE CAUSE. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CARE ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR SAFETY BUT IT MAY JUST ALLOWED FOR US TO GET TO THE ON LIST OF THE ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS. YOU KNOW ON THE EMERGENCY WATER THEY ARE GOING SEE STORM SURGE FLOODING OVER NEXT OR SO STORM SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE GOAL PUSHING WATER UP ONTO WILL NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR INSTANCE, THE GULF AND THEN THE WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO DO. BECAUSE WATER TO BACK FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH A LOT OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM ALSO CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER FLOODING INTO THE RIVER ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT CAUSING FLOODING WELL. PUBLIC WORKS WITH A LOT OF WORK BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE FOR AND WANT JUST STORM SURGE AND FLOODING IN OUR WATER IF YOU WANTED TO SHOW INFORMATION ♪ ABOUT THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT A LOT FOLKS >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS THE VAN PULL US ON THE AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH THAT STARTS WITH THE FUNDAMENTALS FLOATING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN THEY GRADUATE AS ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON THEIR BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE WATER. >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SO TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT AND AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS INTERESTING VERY AREA WHEN HE FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING BIN SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL THE PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE MOST COMMON THING I FIND FRANCIS PLASTIC BAGS. >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE I FIND JUST POSTING THE CONTAINER FOR THE RECYCLE WITH HIM SHOULD SIDE COUNTRY THAT'S RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS. AND THEY SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH EVERY YOU SEE A LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE THE CONTAINERS I COME ACROSS A LOT WANT TO DO THAT SO. >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH SOLID WASTE. ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT, IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE SURE TO HAVE ♪ BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97 POINT. >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM EVACUATION LEVELS. >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY GOVERNMENT WEBSITE. >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING. WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS AFTER THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS THE FILTER TO GET THE STUFF THAT CAME OUT FOR ROOM AND THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT WHEN REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS ♪ IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST THAT ERODES ROADWAYS ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP TO ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS DOING ITS JOB. >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL PRODUCTS FACILITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED EVALUATIONS SO KIDS REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE DOING THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK ALL SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR THEM AT THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN THE BACKGROUND SLIDE. EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM ASSESSMENT. ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD OF TIME AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION. YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON 75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND THE STORM OPTION WOULD BE GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY ♪ SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE. >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED. >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR. AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF AND THE DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER SATURATED SOILS WITH BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS THE GROUND IS TOTALLY SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO 79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS. >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64 WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED. WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN ELEVATION SYSTEM CONFIGURATION. >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS BETWEEN STRUCTURES PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR POTABLE WATER USE IN PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS. >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE 2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF THE WATERWAYS. >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES AND PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO RESPONSE AND RECOVERY MODE QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE OUT THERE. >> OH MY GOSH. ♪ >> AND GOES NUMBER 2. YOUR JOB NEVER STOPPED YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO DECOMPOSE. ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT KIND LIKE A CHAMP THERE ARE WAYS OF OUR GET >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CASH IN THE WATER. THEY DO YOUR PART IN LAB. ♪ ♪ TEAM HAS STEADILY ANYTHING ALSO LIKE THIS CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR WILL IT. ♪ >> WORD TO RECOVER. >> IT'S AGAIN TOO ORDER AT LUNCH BREAK. MOVING ON TO RESOLUTIONS. HE IS IN DAVID. RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH R DASH 10. CITY CLERK CAN YOU READ THIS BY TITLE ONLY RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 R DASH RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT, FL AMENDING THE NON-DISTRICT BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR. >> 2023 TO 2024 ADDITIONAL 0.5 FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT FOR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. REHABILITATION PROJECT AND PARKS MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND THE AMOUNT OUT OF FINDINGS POSTING BY THE COMPLEX PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR. >> OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO HANDLE A FEW PROBLEMS THAT WE WHAT FIRST ONE OF THOSE CHANGING IN. HAVE ACCORDING TO A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. WELL WE COULD TOUCH BALL THAT SERVICE, A 2.2 MILLION DOLLARS YOU MIGHT BE WITH THE DEPARTMENT IS BUILDING WAS DESTROYED DURING HURRICANE IAN AND FINDING FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT AS WELL OF ONE 0.3 MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU ALLOW US TO SPOKE TO THE ROOM CALL THIS THE SOLUTION IT WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE BELIEVE. HASN'T COME WELL. >> DID YOU DO WANT TO COME UP NOW. THAT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS. >> AND HIM IN A STRAIGHTER I DO HAVE CHANGE TO MAKE SLIGHT CHANGE IN PARKS MAINTENANCE BUILDING. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 8,580 FROM PARK IMPACT FEES. ON BALANCE. >> AND ONLY 175 FROM THE LEGACY TRAIL. IN THE SURTAX FUND. SO THE SAME AMOUNT JUS ADJUSTING 8,508 THAT YEAH. >> IF THAT'S WHERE HAS THE PET MAIN LEGACY TRAIL EXTENSION PARKING RIGHT. >> IRWIN. >> ACROSS THE DOUBTS AND I CAN SEE IT IN ONE NEEDS TO 5.80 IT'S GOING TO BE 175,000. >> AND THAT ADDITIONAL 8,580 WILL COME FROM PARK IMPACT THE FUN BALLOTS, INSTEAD, OKAY. >> SO THE NEW FUNDING SHOULD BE INCREASED BY 8587, THANKS. >> THE TOTAL FUNDING STAYS THE RIGHT JUST FROM A DIFFERENT POCKET. BUT BEFORE ANY COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. MISTER LANGDON. >> THANK YOU MAYOR I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR LATER. >> THE HALF OF A FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT, WHAT'S THAT JOB. >> YEAH IT WAS THE RECREATION ATTENDANT. IT WAS A FULL-TIME POSITION AND WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THEY TOOK A HALF OF AN FTE AND MOVED IT OVER TO. >> THE AQUATICS. BECAUSE THEY NEEDED TO INCREASE. I BELIEVE IT WAS A. >> YES AND IF AND HOW PARKS RECREATION DIRECTOR WE NEEDED RECLASSIFIED A POOL TECHNICIAN THAT IF HUNTER FROM PART-TIME TO FULL-TIME WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO THAT. BUT WE DID NOT HAVE A POSITION TO DO THAT WE DO HAVE TAKEN THAT HALF FT. >> JUST WE JUST PUTTING MORE BACK TO WHAT IT WAS GOING PROVE THE BUDGET. NO ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE NEEDED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MOVE ANY FUNDS AROUND FOR THIS. >> I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE ATTACHED PROJECT, BUT HOPE MY COMMENTS TO LATER. I'M THE SEA. >> THE. >> CIP ON THE OLD MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. I BELIEVE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I THINK THIS WHILE AGO LEFT THAT LESS THAT HIGHWAY. AND WENT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS SO. WHY ARE WE STILL SEEING THIS WHY HASN'T IT BEEN REWRITTEN MY UNDERSTANDING WASN'T THAT WE APPROVE THAT 9 AND A HALF 4. PHASE ONE OF THAT PROJECT FOR THE WATER AND SEWER IN ADDRESSING THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN SUCH DISARRAY YET, I'M STILL SAYING. >> THIS COMING FROM THE OLD MASTER PLAN. I'M JUST I'M CONFUSED. >> PART IT W AM TO 02:00AM HE TO 02:00AM HE MINERAL SPRINGS PARK MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. I MAY HAVE PULLED THIS FROM THE NEXT CONGRESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT OKAY AND THEN ALL HOW DO ACCOUNT. YEAH MOST OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS ARE ON THE INDIVIDUAL CIP SO ALL THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE NET NEXT CONVERSATION. >> OK THANK YOU IDEA. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING WITH THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS BUILDING RESTORATION, IT'S. >> TAKING >> $250,000 FUND BALANCE AND PUTTING IT. AGAINST WHOPPING 500,008 HAS UNCERTAIN MONEY TOO. THE PARK MAINTENANCE BUILDING. AND BEEN ANOTHER 250 FROM WARM MINERAL SPRINGS FUND BALANCE AND 250 FROM PARK IMPACT A FUND IT'S AGAIN IT'S JUST AS WELL. YEAH WELL THAT WE ARE NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM LITTLE NOTICE SEE PART OF THE PART OF THE THING IS IS IT. >> STAFF HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS I WOULD ASSUME ON HOW BEST TO THINGS AROUND. WE DON'T GET TO DISCUSS THAT SO THIS IS STILL RELATIVELY NEW TO AND I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT. I SAW THAT THE TITLE BLACK HAD CHANGED I DID NOT KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION AND ACTUAL FULL AMENDMENT ALSO CHANGED. SO I WAS GOING OLD RESOLUTION NOT KNOWING THE RESOLUTION. CHANGED ITSELF. SO. >> WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS GOING FROM PARK. >> ALL OF THESE PARKS PROJECTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY FUNDED WITH IT'S LOOKING LIKE THAT SURTAX MONEY IS NOW GOING TO TURN INTO PARK IMPACT FEES MONEY. ON THOSE PROJECTS ARE MOST OF THEM. YES. >> WE MAY NOT PARK IMPACT FEES WHEN WE BUDGETED THESE PROJECTS. >> CAN WE TAKE SURTAX MONEY AND PUT IT INTO PARK IMPACT OR NOT. WE'RE TAKING THAT SURTAX MONEY PUTTING INTO THE DALLAS WHITE PARK MAINTENANCE BUILDING PROJECT. WE'RE NOT PUTTING SURTAX IN THE PARK IMPACT FEES FOR JUST. POPPING HOW IT'S BEING BUDGET HOW IT'S BEING FUNDED. IF I MAY I'M SO FAR IN PROJECT WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING. >> THERE WAS NO SURTAX AVAILABLE THAT WASN'T ALREADY IDENTIFIED FOR OTHER PROJECTS, SO PARKS AND RECREATION LOOK AT OUR OWN PROJECTS THAT WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED THAT HAD SURTAX FUNDING THAT COULD BE TO SUPPORT THIS THAT WE COULD THAT ALSO QUALIFY FOR PARK IMPACT FEE FUNDING WHICH IN IDENTIFY AT THE TIME, THOSE PROFITS WERE FIRST. THEY PUT IT SUPPORTED BY PUBLIC IMPACT THE FUNDING SO WE'RE JUST TRYING SWITCH BOUGHT OUT. EVERYTHING WOULD BE FUNDED THE SAME, BUT WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN SURTAX TO GO TO PARK MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THAT PROJECT AND THAT'S THAT'S THE TEMPORARY COMPLEX. ALSO HAS SOME PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT SO THAT A COMPLEX TO WORK OUT OF IT BUT NOT OF SINCE HURRICANE. LET ME GET TO THE MOMENT. SO YOU HAVE ALL OF THESE PERKS. PROJECTS. >> THAT CURRENT THEY ARE FUNDED BY SO INSTEAD OF USING SURTAX MONEY YOU'RE TAKING THAT MONEY AND PUTTING IT TOWARDS THE PARK MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ARE THEN GOING TO BE FUNDED BY ON THE BALANCE FROM PARK IMPACT >> HAVE IT NOW >> THIS WAS EXTREMELY CONFUSING. ALL RIGHT SO NOW I HAVE TO ASK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OC BILL. THAT WAS ON THE ORIGINAL WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. >> IT IT WOULD REMOVE BECAUSE YOU ARE HAVING CONVERSATION REGARDING USING SURTAX AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE APPROVE THAT WITHOUT HAVING MADE THE DECISION IS EXPECTED CAUSE. OKAY SO THAT'S COMING AT ANOTHER TIME. IT DIDN'T OKAY. >> MOMENT CITY MANAGER NOT TRYING TO GET THERE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. >> SO. >> I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY. CAN WE. >> LEGALLY MOVE. >> VOTER APPROVED SURTAX PROJECTS. THAT ARE ON A LIST. 2 PROJECTS THAT AREN'T ON THE LIST SIRTEX. I HOPE THAT'S CLEAR AS MUD. >> THAT THAT'S KIND OF A BROADER QUESTION THAT THAT WE CAN RESEARCH BUT GENERALLY PROVIDED THAT. THE BASED ON WHAT WE PROVIDE THE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN THE CATEGORIES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. THAT IS A LOT OF IT I HAVE NOT SAID REALLY GO REVIEW OF THE LIST OF SURTAX. PROJECTS THAT YOU IDENTIFIED AND COMPARE THAT TO THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE REGULATIONS OR THE ADOPTING. INSTRUMENTS OKAY, SO. IF I COULD. >> QUICKLY KIMMELMAN SPINE INSTRUCTOR JUST REMINDER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURTAX 3 THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT WAS VOTED ON THE RECENT EXTENSION TO SURTAX FOR VOTERS APPROVE SIRTEX 3 IN THESE PROJECTS ARE IN SEARCH EXPERT. AND THAT LIST AND AND PARKS MAINTENANCE BUILDING IS NOT ANY LIST THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION IS GOING. >> SO THAT VOTE WOULD HAVE HAPPENED WENDY. >> THERE'S A >> WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY >> MANY MANY CHANGES SINCE DIRECTLY AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OF VOTERS APPROVED SIRTEX 3 THAT PROJECT SIRTEX FOR THAT PROJECTS NOW WE'RE MOVING MONEY AROUND TO A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ON THE VOTER APPROVED 3 OR 4. >> AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO REVIEW THOSE ENABLING INSTRUMENTS HOWEVER, GENERALLY THE BALLOT QUESTIONS VOTE TO IMPOSE A SURTAX AND IN GENERAL AND THEN THE COMMISSION ADOPTS PROJECTS WITHIN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES LONG AS OUR PROJECTS FALL WITHIN THOSE CATEGORICAL DESCRIPTIONS AND THERE IS TYPICALLY NO LEGAL ISSUE. >> OK SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT. USING SURTAX MONEY. THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO DO SOME ARE EVEN USED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CATEGORIES ARE THERE. I'M GOING IN CIRCLES AND I'M TRYING NOT TO BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS WHEN THEY APPROVED SURTAX BECAUSE IF WE START WORKING WITH THAT. THEN THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE UPSET AND THAT'S JEOPARDIZING SIRTEX 5. >> I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO BE CLEAR MY COMMENTS AS WANTS AS AN ADDITIONAL MOMENT WE DID BRING IN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE MONEY FOR START X 3. THEN WE PROJECTED IN THE BEGINNING 20 YEARS AGO. SO IT CAME AS MORE COMES IN PROJECTS ARE >> AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRE A LEGAL REVIEW, BUT IF SPECIFICALLY BEING ASKED THE QUESTION I HAVE NOT DONE THAT REVIEW, HOWEVER TYPICALLY ARE PROFESSIONAL FINANCE STAFF DOES REVIEW THE PARAMETERS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE WITHIN COMPLIANCE MANAGER. YES, THE >> QUICKLY WANT ROLL. REPORTED THE REPORT SAID THE CITY COMMISSION MAY IN THE PROJECT LIST IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY COMMISSION THAT SUCH A CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN PROVIDING ALL PROJECTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. FLORIDA STATUTES SECTION TO 12.0 5 A. TO >> THAT YOU MANY AS THE RESOLUTION WHERE WE ADOPTED THE SURTAX EXTENSION FOR CERTAIN SPORTS. IT WAS SURTAX FOR IS THAT SAME KATHY OR TEXT HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND LOOK I WOULD THINK IT ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE THINGS TODAY THAT ARE. >> VERY SENSITIVE IN NATURE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T DOING SOMETHING. INAPPROPRIATE. AND I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT'S THERE BUT. YOU SAID THAT YOU WOULD THINK IT'S THERE. I'M SORRY THAT'S I NEED TO SEE IT AND YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT IT'S AT SO IF ANYBODY KNOWS WITH THAT SIRTEX 3 ORDINANCE NUMBER WAS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO JUST QUICKLY REVIEW WHILE WE. YEAH WHEN I YIELD THE FLOOR, SO I CAN JUST DO A QUICK. >> LOOK MY SOME AND ONE OTHER NOTE JUST WE'RE NOT. NOT DOING THIS PROJECT WERE STILL COMPLETING THE PROJECT WE'RE SWITCHING OUT SOME OF THE LYING OR BUT THE MONEY IS GOING TO A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S WHAT MY WHOLE UP ITS. >> AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYING THAT SHE NEEDS TREATMENT FOR THE CATEGORIES. COMMISSIONERS WANT TO CLARIFY I DID NOT SAY THAT I NEED TO CONDUCT THAT REVIEW, SAYING I PERSONALLY CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DEPTH NOT CONDUCTING REVIEW, HOWEVER I DO TRUST THE FINANCES CONDUCTED REVIEW AND EVEN PRIOR TO SAY TO MORE IT WAS IT WAS COMMON EVERY PERIODICALLY EVERY YEAR TO THE COMMISSION WOULD LOOK AT THE LIST OF PROJECTS AND MOVE THEM AS LONG AS THEY WERE WITHIN THESE BASIC CATEGORIES IN THE CATEGORIES ARE TYPICALLY BROUGHT SUCH AS PARKS PROJECTS THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT SPECIFIC TO ITEMS IN THE BALLOT QUESTIONS DO NOT TYPICALLY APPROVED SPECIFIC ITEM SUCH THAT CHANGING IT AROUND IS NECESSARILY CONTRARY TO VOTERS HAVE HAVE VOTED ON. THANK YOU JUST ANYBODY HAPPENED TO KNOW WHAT THAT ORDINANCE NUMBERS FOR SIRTEX 3. WE'LL GET IT FOR YOU. THANK YOU, I'LL YIELD UNTIL WE GET UNTIL I GET THAT ANSWER. OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> YOU KNOW JUST MAKE A QUICK I'M NOT SURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED WHAT WE. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE LEGALITY BUT SO LONG AS THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING. I'M NOT TERRIBLY CONCERNED THAT IT'S MOVING OUT OF SURTAX. IMPACT FEES ARE SEPARATE BUCKETS FOR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND AS I LOOK AT BLAST. THESE I'VE CERTAINLY THE LIST OF PARK PROJECTS UNDER SURTAX I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT COMING OUT OF PARK IMPACT FEES. THE CAUSE. WE HAVE. MANY MORE THINGS AND THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE IN THIS CITY THAT WILL REQUIRE SURTAX BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER FUNDING OPTION FOR THEM. SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING PROJECTS INTO THOSE IMPACT FEE BUDGETS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO RESTRICTIVE AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT PARTICULARLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEMANDS. FACING US THAT REALLY WE'LL RELY ON SURTAX OF THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN THAT'S MY COMMENT ON THAT ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, I WAS I WAS GOING TO. THANK YOU MUCH THE SAME THING. HE'S OUR PARK IMPACT FEES WHICH HAD NOT COME INTO THE PICTURE WHEN WE. ♪ HAD THE SURTAX BUT PARK BUT ANY HAS VERY SPECIFIC. >> WAYS THAT IT CAN BE THEY JUST AS CAN BE THROWN INTO ANY PROJECT. SO AS THOSE MONIES BECOME AVAILABLE IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TOO TO TRANSFER WE'RE GETTING THE MONEY FROM 3 UP THE MONEY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE SO DESPERATELY NEED IT TO SO. YES IT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE VOTE ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS WHEN THAT SEARCH X MONEY IS. APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. >> SO CITY ATTORNEY. >> YES MA'AM JUST QUICK. I BE RESEARCH OUR SEARCH TAX REVENUES ARE COLLECTED DON'T THROUGH SARASOTA COUNTY. AND SARASOTA COUNTIES ORDINANCES THEIR THEIR CODE OF ORDINANCES ADDRESSES BOTH THE ORIGINAL SURTAX AND THE CONTINUATION OF THE SURTAX. SECTION 1, 1, 4 DASH 4. ADDRESSES THAT THEY'RE CONTINUING TO THE ONE SENT INFRASTRUCTURE, SALES TAX AND SUBSECTION 5 OF THAT PROVISION RELATES TO PORT AND STATES THE PROCEEDS OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX RECEIVED BY THE CITY OF NORTH PORT. SHELBY LIMITED TO 2 THE USES SHALL BE THE SHOW INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING AND THEN THERE ARE ABOUT 10 OR 11 CATEGORIES. SOME POINT D CATEGORY IS PARK IMPROVEMENTS AND LAND ACQUISITIONS WHEN I WAS REFERRING EARLIER TO THESE KIND OF CATEGORIES ARE BROAD BUCKETS. THAT IS A CATEGORY THANKS FOR >> EDUCATION COMMISSIONER MIGUEL I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE IMPACT FEES. AND I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION ON PARK IMPACT FEES SPECIFICALLY. CAN YOU USE IMPACT FEES OR PARKS TO RESTORE AN EXISTING BUILDING. I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY TO EXPAND PARK. USE KIND OF LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE IMPACT FEES IS GROWTH FOR GROWTH. THESE BUILDINGS EXISTED. SO CAN YOU TRULY NEWS IMPACT FEES FOR BUILDING THAT EXISTS SO IT'S NOT GROWTH RELATED. AND THE SAME GOES FOR DALLAS WHITE PARK MAINTENANCE. THOSE FIELDS ALREADY EXIST. SO CAN YOU USE IMPACT FEES. THAT KIND OF WE USE. AND I SEE A LITTLE POWWOW GOING ON. IMPACT FEES ARE VERY SPECIFIC TO GROWTH RELATED STAFF AND THESE 2 SPECIFICS. ALREADY EXIST. SPOKE WITH CHICO WAS A NEW SO WHILE THEY. HOW ABOUT THAT MAYBE WE COULD GET. SOME QUESTIONS I HAVE ABOUT THE ROAD BOND. THERE'S A TRANSFER. IT'S GOING TO SURTAX OR ROAD BOND. AND IN THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT SAYS. THAT'S THE ROLE. PUT OUT SO I CAN SPEAK. THAT USING SURPLUS FUNDS FROM THE ROAD BOND. TO READ ADDRESS ROADS THAT WERE ALREADY WORKED ON USING ROAD BOND FUNDS. THAT SOUNDS TO ME, I'M NO EXPERT. >> SO I'LL LET Y'ALL ANSWER IT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOME OF THE ROAD THAT WE USE BEEN FUNDS FOR NEED TO BE. REPAVE DON'T RE ADDRESSED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT READ REST MEANS. >> THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. DURING THE ROAD BOND WORK. THERE WAS A DECISION MADE TO USE WHAT THEY CALL WAR MIX AS FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WAS APPLIED ROADWAYS. >> THAT WARM MIX WAS NOT A GOOD MATCH FOR SOME OF THE ROADS. SO WE ARE GOING TO RE ADDRESSES ROADS BECAUSE DETERIORATED AND ONE OF THOSE IS WE'VE HEARD. ABOUT RECENTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE FUNDS WILL BE USED >> FOR USING FUND BALANCE TO DO THAT NIGHT AS SOON AS YOU SAID MORE MIXED WITH A LITTLE BIT PHRASE IS COMING BACK SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE USING FUND TO BALANCE FROM THE ROAD. >> CERTAIN TIME SO. >> THIS IS SURPLUS FUNDS FROM FROM A ROAD THEM. >> BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT SAID USING MONEY FROM SURTAX FOR. FOR THE YEARS. 24 AND I'M SORRY 2526. WHAT'S THAT. FOR TAKING MONEY FROM FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE DOING OKAY NOW OKAY, IT'S NOT RELATED DIRECT TO LOOK LIKE THE SAME IT. >> I THINK IT WAS OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION ABOUT THAT. >> AND THIS IS YOU KNOW SEE QUESTION SO WAIT FOR THAT ONE. OKAY I'M JUST WAITING WAITING FOR THAT. FOR THOSE PARK IMPACT FEES BEING USED FOR EXISTING PARKS, INSTEAD OF PARKS NEEDED YOU. SO PARK MAINTENANCE. TEMPORARY BUILDING. PART OF THAT PROJECT THERE IS PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE. USED TO SUPPORT THE PERMANENT BUILDING WHICH HAS A SEPARATE PROJECT. BECAUSE OF THAT THAT'S WHY WE WERE APPLYING PARK IMPACT FEES TO IT BECAUSE THE PERMANENT BUILDINGS BEING BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE PROUD OF THAT PARK MAINTENANCE TEAM. AS THE CITY GROWS WITH THE AMENITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED THAT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THAT MENTIONED ALL SPITE. PARK I THINK YOU SAID THE FIELD. THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING IF I CAN HEAR BUT THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING MULTIPURPOSE FIELD DALLAS WHITE PARK HAS A NEW ALL-TIME PURPOSE-BUILT WHICH WILL INCREASE CAPACITY. THAT PURPOSE, OKAY. BUT WHAT ABOUT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING. AND THAT'S YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PARK IMPACT FEES. SO PART OF THE PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE BUILDING RESTORATION WAS THAT THAT WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF SERVICING. PATRONS AT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK THAT WAS THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME FORWARD. A WHILE BACK WHEN YOU ALL APPROVED THE FUNDING WHERE THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH MEANING IT WAS BOOKED. BUT IT WAS A COMBINATION OF PARK IMPACT FEES SURTAX AND FUND BALANCE FOR MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. AND AND SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD PUT IN AGAIN TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK AS PART THE BUILDINGS, WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO WITH THAT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GO TOWARDS THE PERMANENT BUILDINGS WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY SERVE. ♪ ♪ MORE OF A CAPACITY. SPLITTING HAIRS. THAT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD COMMISSION ORIGINALLY FUNDED THE WARM OUT AND I REMEMBER ASKING THE EXACT QUESTION ABOUT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS HOW WE USE IMPACT FEES FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING. SO AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I WANTED WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE SPRINGS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BUT I DO I DO CONCUR WITH YOU ABOUT THE DALLAS WHITE I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT'S FOR CHANGING IT FROM SOFTBALL FIELDS, 2 MULTI PURPOSE AND THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE CAPACITY SO THANK YOU THANK YOU. GREAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE. TIME TO GET TO A MOMENT. >> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS OKAY. ALL RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT YES, I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS GOING BACK AND FORTH BUT THEY WERE AN SURGERY, MY AGENDA AND WHICH I THINK STILL TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT TIME ABSORB THIS BUT. THAT'S WHY I ENJOY HAVING ART THE VALUE OF HAVING THOSE AGENDA BRIEFINGS AND HAVING THE QUESTIONS THEN. INSTEAD OF A PUBLIC SAID SETTING WHEN YOU HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT FEEL LIKE I SHOULD KNOW THIS. GOING TO CLOSE PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A MAKE IT MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4 DASH R. >> I'LL >> SECOND OF COMMISSIONER EMERICH DOESN'T WANT A SECOND AND I OWE YOU ONE I LIKE TO MAKE AN SAYING CHANGES. AND THE CHANGES YOU KNOW. THAT'S WHY I WAS WAITING YOU. >> ALL RIGHT YOU WANT TO BUT THAT AMENDMENT UP THERE THERE'S THERE'S NO AMENDMENT WITHOUT A SECOND SO GOOD. >> I THAT. OKAY ARE RESTATING. >> YOU KNOW THOSE ARE OCEAN MADE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020 FOR OUR 10. WITH THE CHANGES PRESENTED BY STAFF. WE DID WITH THAT. >> SO WOULD YOU WANT I THINK WE NEED TO SPELL OUT WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE WE HAD A LOT OF ALL RIGHT SO I'M GOING TO ASK THE CITY CLERK TO REPEAT THOSE CHANGES I DID NOT HAVE THE CHANGES THEY MAKE AN AMENDMENT SO IT'S IT'S TO THE MOTION. AS IT WAS MADE AND THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR IMAGE AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> SO LET'S VOTE ON. >> NOW LIKE I KNOW THEM AND THEN IT JUST AT. >> OKAY, SO STAFF HELP ME WITH THIS AMENDMENT AND IF I FORGOT ANYTHING STATING THAT PROJECT NUMBER. >> TO TO DEAN. KEY. >> THE LEGACY TRAIL PARKING A SURTAX FUND SOURCE SHOULD BE $175,000. AND THE PROJECT TO 2 D. >> HE >> LEGACY TRAIL PARKING FUNDING. USE OF IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE $175,000. >> AND IT INCREASED TO USE AND THEN THE INCREASE OF 8,000 HAVE A JOB INCREASING. PARK IMPACT FEES. SOURCE OR USE ON BALLOT ON BALANCE USE OF PARK IMPACT FEES. OF $8,580. THAT AND YOU REPEAT IT. >> OKAY SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. DO YOU WANT THAT REPEAT IT I OKAY I WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ENRICH THE AMENDMENT SO LET'S VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 WHETHER ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS. OKAY I THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OK. >> GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. >> STATED THAT WAS MADE BY VICE MAYOR AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON SO AS AMENDED. >> THAT'S GOING ON THAT. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO I THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO GENERAL. IS THIS ITEM NUMBER 6. A 24 DASH 0, 3, 3, 5, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK DAYS ONE IMPROVEMENTS AND FACE TO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM. >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR WE DO HAVE OUR PART TO REX RECORDS FROM HITLER TO IT IS GOING IT WAS IN HISTORY AND THINK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND BOTH ALL RIGHT GREAT. CASEY BY CREATION RECORD. >> SO TODAY STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION ON WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK PHASE, ONE IMPROVEMENTS IN PHASE 2 FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. IF COMMISSION IS MINIMAL, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS PHASE, ONE 1ST PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CONSULTANT TO SPEAK TO CURRENT BUILDING CONDITIONS AND SOME ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS AND THEN MOVE ON TO PHASE 2 ONCE DISCUSSION ON PHASE, ONE IS COMPLETE. SO OVER THE LAST MONTH ON SINCE IT WAS DETERMINED THE OPERATIONS OF WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK WOULD STAY WITH PARKS RECREATION. THE TEAM HAS BEEN BUSY PROVIDING A REFRESHED TO THE GROUND. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT YET COMPLETE. I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE. SO WE HAVE ADDED THE SCREENING ALONG LINE. BASICALLY AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING AREA. WE WERE LITTLE WE LOCATED THE FENCING BACK BEHIND THE TREES. TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL SHADING SHADED AREA FOR PATRONS. WE PUT SKIRTING ON THE TRAILERS THAT WERE OUT THERE. WE'VE GOT SOME FLOWER BOXES AROUND THE PROPERTY. SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. WE HAVE I WORKED ON. CLEANING UP ARE WATCHING THE FOUNTAIN AREA. THAT'S WHEN YOU HAIRS THAT WERE BROUGHT IN. IT WAS AN UMBRELLA'S AND THESE ARE ON TEMPORARY UMBRELLAS THAT THAT WE BORROWED. WE HAVE PERMANENT ONES THAT ARE ON ORDER. AND THE TABLES AND UMBRELLAS AND YOU'LL IN THE BACK ABOUT PHOTO. WOULD POSE THAT'S ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT'S GOING TO GO UP FROM THE BUILDINGS. ONCE WE RECEIVE THAT. REPLACED THE FLAGS. WE HAVE A WORK ORDER TO DO SOME WORK ON THE ON CLOCK STRUCTURE THERE. WE REPAINT AND UPDATED THE WROTE. POST THERE AS YOU COME IN. I WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT SO THAT'S THINGS ARE ABLE TO DO IMMEDIATELY. WITH OUR PART MAINTENANCE AND A LOT OF THE RECREATION AND AQUATIC STAFF. >> SO AS YOU KNOW PHASE, ONE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HISTORIC RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND UPGRADES TO THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING ON THE 20 PLUS ACRES. BASED ON A SINGLE BIT RECEIVED ON JUNE 6 2022 IN RESPONSE TO 2022 DASH 22, OR MINERAL SPRINGS PARK RENOVATIONS. THERE'S A PROJECT FUNDING DEFICIT AT LEAST 9 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FULL RENOVATION ADDITIONALLY THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE 3 BUILDINGS. SINCE THE PROJECT WAS PRIMARILY AS A RESULT OF HURRICANE IAN. FOR REFERENCE PROVIDED A COPY OF THE POST HURRICANE IN DAMAGE ASSESSMENT REPORTS ROSTON SOLUTIONS INSURANCE ESTIMATES FROM HALLOWELL AND NEARING ALONG WITH THE RECENT REPORT COMPLETED BY SWEET SPARKMAN ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIORS ADDRESSES CURRENT BUILDING CONDITIONS. IMPACTS OF FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY FOOT MAP REQUIREMENTS AND UPDATED COST ESTIMATES FOR REHABILITATION IN CONSTRUCTION. ALL THE PLAN HISTORIC RENOVATIONS ARE STILL POSSIBLE. STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDED 2 OPTIONS FOR CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE PROJECT. RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE FLOODING AT THE SITE. THE FIRST AND LIKELY MOST FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE OPTION IS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. SALVAGE HISTORIC ELEMENTS FOR FUTURE DISPLAY. AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CODE COMPLIANCE BUILDING AND A HIGHER ELEVATION. THE SECOND OPTION IS TO RESTORE THE CYCLE AROUND THE BUILDING ONLY. TAKE PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES FOR FLOOD PREVENTION AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CODE COMPLIANCE BUILDING AT A HIGHER ELEVATION. AS WITH OPTION, ONE. THERE WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THAT HISTORIC MOMENTS FOR FUTURE DISPLAY. HOWEVER, THE SECOND OPTION MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROJECT FUNDING. RIGHT MORE DETAIL POTENTIAL RENOVATION SCENARIOS AND KEY ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS. MISTER JOHN BRYANT PRINCIPAL AND VICE PRESIDENT WAS SWEET SPARKED ARCHITECT IS HERE HE'S GOING TO SPEAK TO THE BUILDING COMPLEX REPORT WHICH WAS INCLUDED WITH THIS AGENDA ITEM. BUT SANDY GOOD >> THEN AGAIN AS JOHN BRYANT THIS WEEK DEPARTMENT ARCHITECTS. >> SO GOT A FAIRLY LONG HISTORY FROM FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT WITH THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS COMPLEX. SINCE 2018 WE WORK WITH KIM LEE HORN ALL THE MASTER PLAN WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL FACILITY WARM MINERAL SPRINGS WE WERE ALL IN THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THE BUILDINGS AND THEY DID THE FULL RENOVATION PLANS FOR THE HISTORIC RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING. A HIGH LEVEL PROBABLY A WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IS THE RENOVATION THAT WE DESIGNED AND 2018 2019. IT WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE GOT RENOVATION OF THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS NOT GOOD CONDITION. WOULD SAY FAIR OR POOR CONDITION IN 2018 THEY HAVE HISTORIC VALUE JUST DON'T WANT IN OUR REPORT. THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED IN THE LATE 50'S BELIEVED TO BEEN DESIGNED BY JACK REALLY IS A STUART I'M SARASOTA ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE BUILDINGS. BUT THEY WERE IN A DIFFICULT A DIFFICULT CONDITION AT THE TIME. POST-HURRICANE AS WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, THE RENOVATIONS ARE STILL FEASIBLE FROM A DESIGN STRUCTURAL CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT BOUGHT THEY IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN IT WAS. WHEN THE PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY IT SO THERE HAS BEEN ADDITIONAL DAMAGE TO THE BUILDINGS COURSE DUE TO THE HURRICANE. ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL AS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, YOU KNOW WE WE WEREN'T AS CONCERNED WITH LOVING WHEN WE DID THE RENOVATIONS AND 2018 2019. FIRST WE'VE NOT BASED ON HURRICANE IAN THAT THERE WAS ADDITIONAL YOU A 14 TO 16 INCHES OF FLOODING. IN THE YOU AS AN ARCHITECT WE DO A LOT OF HISTORIC RENOVATIONS. I LOVE OLDER BUILDINGS I FIND ALTER OR RENOVATION PROJECTS WERE SATISFYING OFF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THIS IS A FEASIBLE RENOVATION BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND ONE. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SO I. YOU KNOW PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION CERTAINLY FROM MY UNDERSTAND YOU KNOW THE CONSIDERATIONS INVOLVED. YOU KNOW I'M KIND OF HAPPY TO TAKE RELATED TO THE ARCHITECTURE OPTIONS, ALL JUST A YOU KNOW THAT THAT OUT OPTIONS I'VE OUTLINED ARE SORT OF A VERY HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT THE OPTIONS OPTION ONE WAS THAT. WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE RENOVATION IS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN 2018 2019 AND MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL UPGRADES TO ACCOUNT FOR FLOODING. THERE IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL WORK THAT HAD NOT BEEN ANTICIPATED 2018 2019. AND COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC PRESERVATION, RENOVATION IT WILL BE A MORE COSTLY PROJECT THAN WHAT A MINUTE 2018 2019. OPTION TO OUTLINED THE POSSIBILITY OF KEEPING A PORTION OF THE POTENTIALLY KEEPING THE SITE FROM YOU KNOW IT IT COULD. I'M I ENCOURAGE THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT BUILDING COULD BE USED COULD BECOME MORE OF A MUSEUM AS OPPOSED TO JUST EVEN THE OF THAT YOU KNOW THE MURALS THAT WERE THERE. THERE COULD BE AN OPTION TO KEEP ONE OF THE 2 SPRINGS BUILDINGS BUILDING A OR THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE THOSE 2 BUILDINGS, A AND B THE HOURGLASS SHAPE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY UNDERSTOOD AS A AS A PAIR THEY WORK TOGETHER AS PART OF A HISTORIC BUILDING SERVE YOU DID ELIMINATING ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS POTENTIALLY COMPROMISE THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THOSE 2 BUILDINGS DISAPPEAR. THE 3RD OPTION, WE LOOKED AT WAS OF COURSE. YOU KNOW HAS A ATTACK, THE LEAST DESIRABLE TO ME BUT I UNDERSTAND FROM KIND OF THE CITY AND AND THE THE OTHER VIEWPOINTS THAT YOU WOULD TEAR DOWN THE BUILDINGS INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO YEAH I SAW I WILL HAVE AN EXPERIENCE ON THIS PROJECT A SENSITIVE TO HISTORIC CONSIDERATIONS AGAIN IT'S IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION IN IN OUR YOU KNOW I SAW ROLE IS TRYING TO LAY OUT POTENTIAL OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS. OR THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. >> WITH JOHN CAN TAKE QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT STAFF ANSWER WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO FOCUS ON PHASE ONE AND COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD. >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER EMERICH EUROPE. YEAH THANK YOU >> HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU MISTER DOES FOR GIVING ME A TOUR OUT THERE. ONE THING I DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT VERY IN DEPTH WAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CYCLE RAMAH AND. THE ARTWORK THAT WAS IN THERE I REMEMBER SEEING AT THE BOTTOM WHERE THEY WERE SEPARATED AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THE TOP PORTIONS ARE THEY ACTUALLY PAINTED ON THE WALL OR ARE THEY STRUCTURE AND THEN PLACED ON THE WALL THE WORK COULD BE REMOVABLE. >> I THINK THEY'RE ON SOME TYPE OF. WHY WOULD ARE SOME THAT RATE THAT COULD BE REMOVAL MINUTES, A CANVAS OF SOME KIND STRUCTURE ON TOP. >> A CAPE MISTER FLETCHER I BELIEVE YOU GAVE ME OUT SOME ARE ONE OF THE ALL GAVE ME A QUOTE ABOUT HOW MUCH THE ROOF WOULD COST ON CYCLE ROOM I THINK THAT WAS IN THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RENOVATE. >> WELL I THINK IN THE BECAUSE I THINK THEY GAVE US IT WAS 3.2 TOO EARLY FOR MILLION FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF MAY BE NOT JUST THROUGH BUT JUST THAT KNOW THERE'S SOME WEATHER AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND MY MY PROBLEM WITH. I WAS ALL FOR KEEPING THE WHOLE BUILDING. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO NEW BUILDINGS AND GOING UP TO THE PIMA CODES THEN THIS WOULD BE A LOW-LYING BUILDING AND THAT WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE RUNOFF FROM THE FLOODS GOING INTO THE BUILDING AND IT MAY NOT BE A WIN-WIN. >> ON THAT I KNOW PUT A WALL AROUND IT OR MOTOR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE BUT. THANK THE MONEY WAS WHAT WHAT'S THE COST OF THE UTILITIES TO GO OUT THERE THAT'S 3 MILLION PLUS AND WINS. >> BUT I THINK IF YOU DO DECIDE TO RELIEVING THE CYCLE. RAMOS OR YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT UP TO CODE SO THAT IT WOULD NOT I THINK GOING TO RAISE A CONCRETE BUILDING. WELL I WHAT I. >> WHAT I WOULD OFFER AS I THINK BE IF THE CYCLER AMMO WERE APPROACHED AS A STAND-ALONE PROJECT OF THE HISTORIC RENOVATION I BELIEVE COULD BE DONE WITHOUT. RAISING THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE CONSIDERATION FOR ANY MATERIALS THAT WERE SAY BELOW YOU KNOW 2 FEET OR LOWER TO THE FORE WITHIN 2 FEET OF THE FINISH FOR. BUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS THAT IT GIVES YOU EXEMPTIONS. 2 ASPECTS OF APPLY SO THERE IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE MORE ANALYSIS BUT THERE'S A LIKELY PATH THAT YOU COULD DO RENOVATE THE CYCLE RAMA NOT HAVE TO RAISE THE FLOOR AND YOU JUST WANT TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT ♪ YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO PUT THIS A MATERIALS IN THE LOWER 2 FEET YOU KNOW WHICH WHICH WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR THE MURALS THAT WERE ♪ THERE BUT IT COULD BE >> YEAH MURALS GO STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE FLOOR AND WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S ABOUT A SPACE OF ABOUT MAYBE 12 TO 16 INCHES OF THE BOTTOM OF THE MURAL THAT IS SEPARATED BECAUSE OF THE CURVING INSTA AND WATER AND GOTTEN IN THERE. THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF RENOVATION INVOLVED IN MY OPINION TO DO THAT WITH THE SOUND SYSTEM AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP IT AS THE CYCLE RAMAH AND KEEP THE STORY GOING FROM THE EARLY 50'S USING IT AS A MUSEUM NOW WOULD BE TAKING OUT THAT CENTER SECTION REDOING THE ROOF. AND I THINK THE SAME CAN BE ACQUIRED ON A NEW BUILDING BY STATE TAKING SOME OF THAT ARTWORK OUT OF THE CYCLE RAMAH PUTTING IT IN THE MUSEUM BECAUSE. >> SO >> PICTURES IN THERE AND I'M ARE SKEPTIC OR WHATEVER, BUT JUST MAY NOT BE POLITICALLY CORRECT AND TODAY'S SOCIETY FOR SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE THERE AND I KNOW IT'S OUR SO I MEAN IT GOES BACK TO THE DAY ANNA DOES HISTORY BUT. HOW YOU KNOW JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS IS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE IN THE SIDE BUT. >> WILL SAY THAT HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS AS FOR THE BUILDING SO AND PART OF THAT IS THE FACT THAT THAT BUILDING OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IT'S NOT ACTUALLY APPLY TO THE MURALS ON THE INTERIOR THAT IS SORT OF UP TO THE CITY AND. SO JUST AS THAT CARRY OUT THAT YOU KNOW YOU COULD CHOOSE TO PRESERVER DO RENOVATION OF THAT BUILDING AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE MURALS AND AS YOU SAY THAT YEAH THERE'S. CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING. >> WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOOTPRINT OF LET'S SAY WE DID NEW BUILDINGS OUT THERE. WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE TO PUT UP THE NEW BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED. KEEP THE CYCLE RAMAH AS MAYBE A FUTURE PROJECT FOR PRESERVATION. AND BE ABLE TO GET THE NEW BUILDINGS AND THEREAFTER DEMOLISHING THE OLD ONES IF THAT'S THE CASE. WHAT IT STILL THAT THAT FOOTPRINT OR DO WE NEED ALL THAT SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEW VENTURES BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT ALL THEY WANT IS A BASIC BUILDING AND SHOWERS AND BATHROOMS. WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WE MAY WANT TO ENLARGE THAT A LITTLE BIT LIKE MAYBE WITH SOME CONFERENCE SPACE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OUT THERE ALL DEPENDS ON THE NUMBERS COMING IN AND WHAT WE HAVE DEAL WITH MONEY THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE MAYOR, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO SO. >> ALL RIGHT IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ITEM ON THE SITE JUST 11 DAYS OF PRAYER. COST THAT WE HAD ESTIMATE FOR THE CYCLE ROMMEL WAS NOT ADDRESS THE MURALS INSIDE. IT WAS JUST FOR THE. BUILDING STRUCTURE TO BRING THAT UP TO CODE. >> AND MAKE IT 88 ACCESSIBLE. >> IF DOING ANY INTERIOR RESTORATION WOULD HAVE BEEN A SEPARATE PROJECT. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS IF WE REMOVED. THE MURALS OR A FEW OF THEM ARE GIRLS AND PUT IT INTO A MUSEUM TYPE ATMOSPHERE IN NEW BUILDINGS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TOO COSTLY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING SO THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. WHERE TO BEGIN BEGIN FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS O WHAT'S YOUR BEST ASSESSMENT AS TO HOW LONG IF WE DID NOTHING AT ALL WE WOULD BUT. HOW LONG WILL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALLOW US TO CONTINUE OPERATE IN THE PRESENT CONDITION WERE IT WITH THE BATHROOM FACILITIES STATES CENTS AND I KNOW CAN'T PIN IT DOWN TO A WEEK BUT ROUGHLY SPEAKING WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE. >> ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. >> TRISH WERE COMPLIANT WITH DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RIGHT NOW WE DON'T WE WOULDN'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT PUT ON IT BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A SEMI PERMANENT USE AND IT'S COMPLETELY WITHIN CODE COMPLIANCE OR GET. >> WE DID THAT LAST APRIL WHEN OKAY GOOD THANK YOU. >> NEXT QUESTION. IF WE WORK TOO. REBUILD CYCLER ON THE PROP BUILDING. AND THE ADMINISTRATION FOR OFFICE WITH BATHROOMS. SHOWERS. WHEN THE WATER IN SHORE. WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF THAT. >> SO WE DON'T HAVE ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF THAT. IT NUMBERS WERE PUT IN THE REPORT FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE KNOWN BUT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE PROGRAM IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. WE NOT ABLE TO ESTIMATE JOHN HAD PROVIDED SQUARE-FOOT COST. >> FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF A HALF MILLION ONE WATER AND SEWER. YOU KNOW THE BASIC BUILDING WITH BATHROOM AND HEALTH FACILITIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE AND REBUILD THE CYCLE RAMA YES TO COPE BRING IT UP PROTECT IT. OKAY LOOKING MORE LIKE 18 20 MILLION. >> PROBABLY VERY CLOSE YOU TO SAY IT WILL BE BUT THERE YOU GO IF WE WERE TO SIMPLY. >> MOVE. THE MURALS AND WHAT WE COULD SALVAGE. TO BUILD INTO A NEW SINGLE SIMPLE FACILITY MISS RATE OF OFFICE SHOWERS VERY SIMPLE. ONE OF THE WATER AND SEWER TO IT. THE OLD INTO THAT BUILDING SOME OF THE MURALS SCORE FIELD. I SEE THE PATIOS OUT THERE WITH THE UMBRELLAS SET UP A FOOD COURT AREA CLEAN UP THE AIR LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT BUT WILL THAT BE DONE WITHIN OR HALF MILLION WHICH IS ROUGHLY WHAT SITTING THERE NOW TUCKED AWAY. I MEAN THAT A REALISTIC NUMBER OR WHERE WE LOOK MORE LIKE 15 MILLION. YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE MILLION SPENT AND. I HAVE TO IF TO SPEND. ANOTHER DOLLAR OF TAX PAYERS MONEY ON THIS PROJECT. I WOULDN'T WITH MISTER ENGLISH AND TAKE THIS TO A REFERENDUM TO SEE IF THE CITY. CITIZENS WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON THIS PROJECT. SO I'M TRYING TO LIVE WITHIN THE 8 A HALF MILLION THAT. WE HAVE TALKED TO WEIGH ROUGHLY 6 MILLION 5, 6 O OF SURTAX A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE PROFITS AND PARTS MONEY THAT MONEY SITTING THERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE RENOVATION PHASE ONE OBVIOUSLY WITH NO P 3 PARTNER THAT BEING PROJECT OKAY. WE HAVE TO SPEND COULD WE DO THE BASICS THAT WE GIVE THE PEOPLE. WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THANKING FOR PUTTING IN SURVEYS OVER AND OVER AGAIN NOTHING MORE THAN A VERY SIMPLISTIC SET OF FACILITIES. THAT'S SHOWERS. CLEANING UP A LITTLE BIT BRING THE WATER ENSURE THEY'RE PUT IN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES. MAYBE SIGNAGE FOOD AREA AND DONE WITH FOR THE 18 IS THAT DOABLE WITHIN BUDGET. >> GOOD AFTERNOON CONFRONT PROJECT MANAGER CITY NORTHWARD. WE HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THE UTILITY COSTS ALONE IF IT WERE IN KEEPING WITH THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROJECT WILL BE CLOSED FOR THE 12 MILLION NOW. SO WE DO. JUST FOR AUDIENCE KNOW HER BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE YOU KNOW THINGS IN THE CITY WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY. >> TO 12 MILLION JUST FOR WHAT BRINGING WATER AND JUST THE UTILITIES SUCH NOT BUILDING ANYTHING NO BUILDING KNOW ANYTHING ELSE I JUST THAT'S WHAT NOW WE THE UTILITIES ARE REQUIRED JUST FOR THIS PROJECT. PRICE CANNOT BE RIGHT UP YOU CAN THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR I MEAN I WAS UNDERSTANDING 3 4 MILLION DOLLARS TO 3, 3, 4 MILLION FOR UTILITIES. >> AND COST OF A BASIC BUILDING. I THOUGHT WE'D BE AT AROUND HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND MUCH LIKE THE OFF THE CROWN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON THE STUFF WITHOUT HAPPENED. THE NUMBERS WE NEED. CAN I PIGGYBACK OFF VICE MAYOR APPRECIATE IF I COULD CONTINUE AND THEN COMMISSIONER MORE THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK IT WHEN THE TIME COMES. IT'S LIKE A WHOLE LOT. DRILL DOWN ON. BUT ONLY. >> THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD FROM HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE PROJECT EVEN WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE 18 MILLION DOLLAR PRICE TAG IT WASN'T THAT MUCH OF THE PROBLEM EASILY TIME YOU DECIDE TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION TO INVEST TO PUT TRUE WE HAVE INDICATE AND GET THE YES MEN BRING IT BACK AS PROCEED ON THAT >> SO IT'S STILL NOT TOTALLY DOMINATE THIS. LET ME JUST. SUMMARIZE WHERE I'M STANDING ON THIS THING I MEAN. CITIZENS OF ASKED OVER AND LET ME PREFACE IT WITH THAT. WE ARE OPEN-MINDED TO A P 3 PROJECT THAT P 3 PROJECT THIS DEAD AND GONE FINISHED, SO WE SIT HERE WITH THE ABILITY TO FOCUS ON PHASE ONE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S CITY'S BEST INTEREST OR THOSE FOLKS AND ENJOY THIS SPRINGS TO DO NOTHING. HALF MILLION DOLLARS SET ASIDE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. A BASIC BUILDING BE PUT UP WITH BASIC AMENITIES, INTEGRATE WHATEVER HISTORIC ASPECTS WE CAN. CLEAN IT UP AND GIVE THE PEOPLE JUST WHAT THEY WANT WHICH IS SIMPLE USE OF THE SPRINGS WITH SOME CLEANING FACILITIES AS FAR AS. PHASE 2. WE ALWAYS WANT OKAY AND WE'RE ALWAYS ONE LET'S JUST DOWN PHASE. ONE THE THEY ALL JUMP OVER TO MY OTHER ASPECT WHICH IS. THERE ARE CONCERNS AS TO THE HEALTH OF THE SPRING ITSELF. NOTHING ANYBODY'S PROPOSED PROJECT WHETHER BE THE P 3, 4, OPTION HERE TO FOCUS ON FACE ONE TALKS ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE SPRINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HOLD THE SPRINGS IS HELPING NOW WE'RE NOT HEALTHY. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE TO DETERMINE THAT WE SWEET TO TEST THE WATER WE DO CHECK THE FLOW. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IMMINENT DANGER OF OF DYING NEXT WEEK NEXT YEAR 5 YEARS FROM NOW BUT THAT IS IN THE AREA. THE CITY IN MY OPINION DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES NOR EXPERTISE TO ADDRESS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS CONCERNS OVER THOSE THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE I WOULD SUGGEST IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO PUT A GROUP TOGETHER TO FIND THE MONEY TO DO THIS AND TO PARTNER WITH THE CITY BECAUSE. IF THAT IS A CONCERN AND. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T I WOULD SAY THAT'S TOPIC THAT REALLY HASN'T ANYBODY'S RADAR SCREEN. IT CERTAINLY WASN'T BIG PART OF THE P 3 EXCEPT FOR THE STANDPOINT AS WELL DEVELOPMENT OR TO SPRINGS, BUT NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT IS IT HEALTHY IS ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT TO PERPETUATE ITS LIFE THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I THINK HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. BUT WELL THAT'S THE BASIC FACE WHAT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR ANYTHING THAT GOES BEYOND HALF MILLION I DON'T THINK THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO USE IT WHILE MORE THAN THAT SO WHY NOT IF JUST WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. IT SAID THAT WASN'T FOR ME FOR ALL COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I HATE FOLLOWING COMMISSIONERS STOKES BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT THE SAME KIND OF THINGS THAT I SAY AND REALITY FOR ME WE HAVE A 0.5 MILLION DOLLARS. PERIOD. SO WHAT CAN WE DO WITHIN THAT BUDGET. FOR ME, BUT LET ME ADDRESS FIRST THE OVERALL HEALTH OF SPRINGS. I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE TEST I BELIEVE DAILY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG FOR FECAL MATERIAL ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE HAZARDOUS TO THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF PEOPLE USING THE SPRINGS ON THAT DAY. WE PASS MONTHLY. SO WE'VE OUT OF THE WATER. >> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS THAT WE DO ON THE SPRINGS HIS TAKE OCCASIONS IN THE SPRING. THAT IS VOLUNTARY THAT WE AND THEN THAT INFORMATION IS ALSO SHARED WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. BUT. >> SO NONE OF THOSE TESTS HOWEVER BEGAN TO ADDRESS. THE HEALTH OF THE SPRINGS AND HOW THAT'S DECLINING ARE SAYING THE SAME THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE SEPARATE EVALUATION. IF I UNDERSTAND CARUSO THEY DEFINITELY IS RACIST AND DIRECTORS ARE STRUCTURES THEY ACTUALLY DO DO GIVE YOU SOME INDICATOR. >> SO IF WE WERE TO SEE BACTERIA LEVELS START TO INCREASE WE WOULD SEE THAT SNOW WOULD BE RESTRICTED. THEY WOULD BE AN INDICATOR FOR US TO LOOK DEEPER INTO A PROBLEM. >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AGAIN IF THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME. ONE OPTION IF WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE SPRINGS AND BELIEVES THAT ITS FLOW ARE IT HEALTH IS DECLINING AN OPTION FOR US IS TO REALLY PRESERVE FENCE AROUND IT. NO ONE USES. SO THAT SORT OF ONE OPTION. I DON'T THINK ANYONE AND THIS ROOM WANTS THAT OPTION. BUT IF IF WE EVER DID THAT ACTIVITY OF THE SPRINGS IS IMPACTING ITS LONGEVITY THAT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO TAKE THAT STEP I WOULD HOPE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SHORT OF THAT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A VERY RADICAL SOLUTION AND THERE'S NO OBVIOUS INDICATION THAT THE SPRINGS ARE IN TROUBLE. AND I CONCUR WITH VICE-MAYOR STOKES WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 8 AND HALF MILLION. FOR ME UNTIL COMING INTO THIS MEETING. MY PRIORITY WAS WATER AND SEWER TO THAT AREA AND THE MEN AND THE 10 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THIS CITY HAVE BEEN AWARE OF 3 TIMES THAT WE HAD TO CLOSE ACCESS TO THE SPRINGS BECAUSE OF SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUES SO AND IN MY MIND THAT'S A REAL ISSUE. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO CONFIRM THOSE UTILITY COSTS CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL I WAS CARRYING AROUND 3 TO 4 MILLION I HAD I KNOW THAT PART OF THAT PROJECT WAS TO RUN LINES DOWN WHAT TEAMS MAYBE WE HAVE TO RETHINK AS MUCH PAINS ME TO SAY I'M I CLARIFY BY COMMUNICATED. >> THE 12 MILLION THAT WAS IN MY MIND INCLUDED SITE DEVELOPMENT COST AS WELL SO THAT INCLUDED LANDSCAPING PARKING LIGHTING I APOLOGIZE THE UTILITIES PORTION OF SHOULD BE A LITTLE CLOSER NORMAL. >> OR MOUNTING OK, THANK YOU THAT'S THE NUMBER I OPENNESS MUCH BETTER. SO THAT GIVES US 4 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BUILDINGS. >> I CONCUR, I MEAN MEETING AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING WE HEARD FROM FOLKS ALL WE WANT IS ACCESS TO A HEALTHY SPRING. >> SHOWER AND OF CITY NEED SOME KIND OF A REASONABLE. AREA CONDUCT BUSINESS. LET'S KEEP IT REALLY REALLY SIMPLE. >> I'VE BEEN A OF SAVING THE CYCLE RAMAH I HAVE GIVEN UP ON THAT DREAM EYE TOWARD 3 AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AND I'LL JUST NEVER FORGET WHEN I WENT INTO THE BUILDING THE STAFF PEOPLE WHO WENT WITH ME TELL TO ME TO WATCH OUT FOR THE WILDLIFE AS I WAS WALKING AROUND THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THEY DID NOT COME WITH ME. MADE THAT WALK SO IT'S 3 AND A HALF LATER HURRICANE LATER. LET'S FACE IT FOLKS WE LOVE IT. WE WISH WE COULD SAY THAT. BUT WE HAVE A BUDGET WE HAVE TO WORK AND BELIEVE ME I'M GOING TO BE JUST LIKE THIS WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THAT BUDGET. I'M INCLINED UNLESS ANYONE CAN GIVE ME INFORMATION THAT MIGHT CAUSE ME TO RECONSIDER. WE TAKE DOWN THE BUILDINGS WE WE DO THE BASIC WATER AND SEWER. NUMBER ONE. WE TAKE DOWN THE BUILDING'S SIMPLE LITTLE ADMINISTRATION CENTER OUTSIDE SHOWER OR SOMETHING THAT FLASHES. AND BE DONE WITH IT WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A FOOD TRUCK. AREA I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE P 3 PROPOSAL. I I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GRAB ONE SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE SPEND THE DAY SO WE CAN DO THAT WITH FOOD TRUCKS WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD 2. WE DON'T NEED A WE WANT TO LET'S GET SOMEONE TO BUILD ON IN THE AREA A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT WILL GENERATE RAPINOE SO I'M I AND I WANT TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS. YOU KNOW I PLOW THROUGH ALL OF THIS I DID AND OK HOW MUCH OF IS IT GOING TO COST WITH THESE DIFFERENT NUMBERS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS TO ME THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. I WANT TO APPLY STAFF FOR THE ENHANCEMENTS MADE AND SIDE THE SPRINGS THAT CERTAINLY LOOKING A HECK OF A LOT BETTER. AND THEY LOOKED WHEN BENSON. HERE THANK YOU FOR THAT. BREAKS MY HEART, I MEAN I WANT IT. MY DREAM WAS TO RENOVATE TO CYCLE MAY GET HOLOGRAPHIC IMAGES TO TELL THE STORY. I MEAN THERE'S JUST NO MONEY TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT IF WE CAN RETRIEVE SOME OF THOSE PANELS THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS A WHILE AGO OF GETTING SOME RINGLING ALRIGHT STUDENTS TOO RACE TOWARD THOSE. AND AND MAYBE SHOW THOSE AND AND THE LITTLE BUILDING THAT BILL TO KIND OF. CONTINUE THAT HISTORICAL FLAVOR OF THE PLACE BUT WE HAVE 8 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AND I ASK THE RESIDENTS THIS CITY SPEND ANY MORE THAN THAT. ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> MCDOWELL THEN GET YOUR RIGHT NOW I HAVE NO RIGHT GOING TO DO THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT. THE C B ARE ON THE REAL ESTATE PROPOSAL ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID ME. >> HE'S 3. THE PEACE TREATY IS DEAD AND GONE. THAT REPORT OH MY GOODNESS SAKES REALLY SPELLED OUT SOME GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDLESS OF HOW WE PROCEED. THEY GAVE SOME RELEASE SUGGESTIONS. AND AND THAT SURVEY SHUNS AND I REALLY HOPE IF WE EVER WERE TO USE A P 3 IN THE FUTURE SOME OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE LOOKED AT AND YES, WE NEED TO DO THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE WERE REALLY. LOVE TO CLAW BACK IF THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP THE FACT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. SO WHOEVER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING THAT REPORT GAVE INPUT ON THAT REPORT. RIGHT GREAT JOB. THE APPRAISAL BY ROGER PROBABLY PRONOUNCING IT RIGHT IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING APPRAISAL. BUT IT WAS BASED ON DOING THE P 3. AND SOLELY FOR NEGOTIATIONS FOR P 3 I WOULD VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT AN APPRAISAL WANT TO LOOK LIKE. BREAKING DOWN PHASE ONE AND PHASE 2 OF WHAT THOSE PROPERTY VALUES ARE USING TODAY. CONDITIONS AND TOMORROW'S POTENTIAL RENOVATIONS IF WE CAN EVER GET ON THE SAME PAGE. SO THOSE ARE THE 2 STAFF YOU SHOWED US SOME REALLY GREAT IMPROVEMENTS TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. THEY WERE FANTASTIC ALL I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT FOR PROBABLY THE PAST YEAR ALONG WITH 2 GUYS IS THAT FENCE IS SO UGLY LOOKS LIKE A PRISON. >> NO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE PRISON ITS BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH REALLY TO SOFTEN IT AND I'M VERY THERE WERE SOME PICTURES THAT DIDN'T SHOW THE WINDSCREEN AND SOME THAT DID SO HOPEFULLY THAT SCREEN MERE WILL MASK. >> SOME OF THOSE OF YEAR AREAS AND THAT PRISON. THAT PRISON FEEL. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS. I REALLY HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN DO TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION TO REINSTATE PASSES HOW THAT LOOKS WILL HAVE TO COME BACK COMMISSION REVIEW. BUT NOW THAT ONE MALE SPRINGS IS GOING TO STAY IN THE. >> CITIES PURVIEW WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT REINSTATING PASSES THAT WAS A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE RESIDENTS. >> I'M SORT ARE. OF THE CORRECT. HAS IT BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT LIKE THEY WERE PASSES IN THE PAST. WE WE DON'T HAVE THE ANNUAL. WE DID NOT REINSTATE ANNUAL PASS. ALL OTHER CATEGORIES WE DIDN'T REINSTATE. THE DIFFERENCE WAS THE EXPIRATION DATE UP HOW K WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD ON DURING. BUDGET DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FEE IF YOU WANT SEE IF WE REVISIT STUFF LIKE THAT MAYBE EXPAND ON IT SO YEAH I DID REMEMBER THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PASSES. BUT I THOUGHT IT HAD. >> THE EXPIRATION DATE WAS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE SO LET'S LET'S REVISIT THAT BUDGET I WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT CONVERSATION. >> SINCE. >> SINCE THIS P 3 IS DEAD AND GONE AND BURIED. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY'S FOR TRYING TO DO THE NEGOTIATIONS. NOT TOO SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THE BUILDINGS BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AND LIKE OUR CONSULTANT FROM STREET APARTMENT. THESE BUILDINGS ARE SPECIAL THESE BUILDINGS ARE THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO HAVING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. >> AS OPPOSED TO REBUILDING BRAND NEW. CAN WE FIND A COMBINATION OF THE 2 WHERE WE SHEEP THE BUILDING SHOW KIND OF REDUCE SOME OF THE STUFF INSIDE AND AROUND IT, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE THE PROBLEM. THE ACTUAL COSTS FOR RENOVATING IN KEEPING THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY BUILDING ONE IS THE ADMISSIONS BUILDING. BUILDING 2 IS THE BATHROOM SLASH HOURS BUILDING 3 IS THE CAFE. >> SPOT AREA WAS TO AND FOR BUILDING NUMBER ONE WAS THE BATHROOM AND SHOWER AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL. THAT'S HOW LEAST THAT'S HOW IT'S LIKE >> OKAY SO BUILDING BE WAS THE BATHROOMS SHOWERS IN THE CARE OKAY. >> OKAY. WANT TO CLEAR THAT. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS, THERE'S A LOT OF NONPROFIT AGENCIES OUT THERE. THAT. I HAVE THAT OUR REALLY INTERESTED IN PARTNERING AND DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT FLORIDA FOREVER. FUNDS. THAT A VIABLE OPTION THEY THEY SPECIFICALLY ARE LOOKING FOR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT LAND. BUILDINGS, I'M A NATURAL RESOURCE THAT IS NOT JUST NATURAL, BUT HAS. HAS NATURAL MISS THAT GOES FAR BEYOND THAT AREA LIKE THE MANATEE MANATEE REFUGE IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO WHAT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS OPS. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO EXPLORE POSSIBLY USING THE FLORIDA FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDING AND PARTNERING WITH THAT. THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY PROVISION I DON'T BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY ACCEPT APPLICATIONS TWICE A YEAR APRIL AND OCTOBER. SO SO THIS MIGHT BE A WORTHWHILE VENTURE TO EXPLORE I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IT'S A 100% DOABLE BUT IT'S WORTH EXPLORING. WE'RE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS. WE'VE GOT A LOOK AT ALL WATCH IT. THAT THERE'S A CONSERVANCY AND I'VE SPOKE ABOUT THIS CONSERVANCY MANY MANY TIMES AND IT'S NOT JUST BEING DONE AT THE BAY PROJECT BUT THERE ARE CONSERVING OPTIONS AVAILABLE. GULF COAST COMMUNITY FOUNDATION WAS VERY VERY INVOLVED WITH CREATING THE BAY CONSERVANCY UP IN THE CITY OF SARASOTA LET'S REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY CAN ASSIST OPS WITH HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PRESERVING THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL VALUE AND ALSO THE NATURAL RESOURCES. STATE PARK WEEKI WACHEE IS A STATE PARK MYAKKA RIVER IS A STATE PARK WE CAN REACH OUT TO GO TO THE. DEPARTMENT OF. ENVIRONMENT ENVIRONMENTAL. THANK YOU TO SEE ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A STATE PARK, I KNOW THAT I HAD ASKED HIM FOR A MOTION TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION WAY WE WERE I'M GOING THROUGH P 3. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL RENEW ENDEAVOR. WE COULD ALSO POSSIBLY LOOK AT A NATIONAL PARK. I MEAN WE ARE ONLY ONE SPRINGS FLORIDA. WE ARE THE ONLY SPRING SOUTH OF SARASOTA FOR THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN REGION OF THE STATE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME. NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE I DON'T KNOW AGAIN THESE ARE QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY ARE DEFINITELY WORTH EXPLORING. WE HAVE A RESET BUTTON IT'S BEEN PRESSED, WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT BEFORE WE JUST GOING WILL THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS. HOLD JUST PROBLEM OF REAL QUICK. AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT A LEGACY TRIP. BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS A HUGE BONUS WITH THIS RESET TO GET THAT LEGACY. TRAIL CONNECTION DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN EXPLORING FINDING OUT MORE BEFORE WE BULLDOZE BEFORE WE START RENOVATIONS, WE NEED TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE EITHER CHECK. YES, LET'S GO FORWARD OR CHECK NO CROSS IT OFF. >> SO JUST WANT MISSION THAT RIGHT BEFORE. WE WERE DIRECTED TO PURSUE THE PEACE TREATY. THE CITY DID PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. I'M LOOKING FOR PARTNERS FOR THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK PROPERTY. TO HELP US REACH THE ECONOMIC THOUGHT CALLS THAT COMMISSION HAD DISCUSSED. WE HAD 0 INTEREST AND THAT RFI. >> ECONOMIC GOALS MEANING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEANS DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CALLS THAT WE HAVE THE 60 ACRES, A LOT OF TIME 16 ALONG WITH THE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT WE WANT TO DO AS PART OF THE MASTER LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE THING OF ALL WE CAN INCORPORATE ALL THE MASTER PLAN AND THE KNEES AND IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DESIRED ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE HAVE 0 INTEREST ON THAT INTEREST WE CAN BRING THAT BACK UP. YEAH THAT COULD BE AN OPTION ON THE LEGACY TRAIL PERSON I AM ADDRESSING THAT CHECKED IN THE FACE TO THE DISCUSSION. SO. >> NOT KNOWING THE WORDING OF THAT RFI. >> AND IF IT WAS TOO KEEP IT NATURAL SERENE VERSUS DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDING WAS IN THAT ARE 5, BUT WORDS WORDS MATTER. IF WE ARE LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY TO KEEP IT AS A HISTORICAL NATURAL DESIGNATION MAYBE THAT IS KIND OF THE PATHWAY TO GO FORWARD. THE OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE A QUESTION. FEMA. THESE BUILDINGS. HURRICANE IAN DID NOT HELP THESE BUILDINGS. SO THE MONEY IS GOING TO REIMBURSE US FOR SOME OF THAT LOSS. THAT MONEY COULD BE APPLIED TOWARDS THESE RENOVATIONS I WOULD DO SO I MEAN YOU KNOW. >> SEEING RULES FOR US TO MANAGE ITS THE RECOVERY OF THE SEMA WITH THE WHAT THE INSURANCE DOESN'T WHICH WOULD BE THE DEDUCTIBLE PORTIONS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO AT THE AGAIN WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED DAMAGES FOR EVERYTHING WE DO NEED TO KEEP IN MIND ALSO BUILDING WAS ALREADY CLOSED PRIOR TO THE STORM. I'M SORRY THE WHAT BUILDING B WAS ALREADY CLOSED PRIOR TO HURRICANE IAN. BUT WE THE CYCLE RAMAN HAS BEEN SO WHERE 20 YEARS ENSURE PROCEEDS. >> THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS WOULD BE 5% OF THE. INSURED TOTAL VALUE OF THE BUILDING. 5% IS THE DEDUCTIBLE IF YOU WILL SO AFTER THAT AND IT'S THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE REPAIRS WHICH HAS BEEN PRETTY DIFFICULT TO DO WITH THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF IT AND THE COST OF EVERYTHING AND THEN YOU HAVE LIMITS OF THE INSURANCE TO THINK ABOUT TOO AS THE POLICY ONLY HAS A 10 MILLION DOLLARS TAX. AND ALTHOUGH BUILDING. PER THE POLICY ON THESE STRUCTURES IN THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THE UTILITIES. SO OKAY, SO THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS IS BASED ON THE INSURED VALUE OF THE SPRINGS WHICH BUT THE CONDITION THAT WAS INDEED WE ENSURE THAT ORIGINALLY THEY WERE NOT HIGH NUMBERS BUT I CAN GET THAT IN AN EMAIL AND SEND IT TO IT THAT'S DEFINITELY. >> THAT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THAT CAN USE WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS THAT WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD TO. GOING BACK TO THE FAVORITE SUBJECT OF THESE UTILITIES. I AM A BROKEN RECORD AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. THE UTILITY PROJECT IS NOT ONLY TO RUNNING TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, BUT DOWNWARD TEENS AND THAT IS ADDED COST FOR THIS PROJECT. AGAIN WHY CAN WE NOT TO JUST RUN IT TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS FROM TREE VOTE DOWN TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS GO ROUND OF THE CITY'S OWN PROPERTY IN THAT. >> ALL OWNERSHIP AREA AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO TREE THAT WILL CUT THE COST ALMOST ALMOST I WOULD GUESS BUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO BE EXPLORED BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN SAVE FINANCIALLY WE CAN USE TOWARDS THE RENOVATIONS, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE. >> I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME HARD NUMBERS. ON WHAT THE COST IS TOO PASS TOO. REPLACE. REACH OUT TO THESE OTHER NONPROFITS TO SEE ABOUT PARTNERING WITH THEM. SO. AND ALSO THAT FEMA SLASH INSURANCE REVENUES THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET >> THAT'S IT FOR NOW ALL RIGHT, I SOME QUESTIONS BUT WE GOT A SECOND ROUND. >> THE CYCLE WE'RE ALL DOING WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL, I MEANS FUNCTIONING AS INSIDE I DON'T KNOW THAT QUARTERS AGE 40. NO IT WAS I KNOW THAT AND 19 90 WAS STILL OPEN FOR NOT IT WASN'T FUNCTIONING WALK THROUGH IT. BUT IT WAS NOT EVEN WORKING BRING YEAH. >> OUR RECORDS WERE CLOSE IN 2000. I DON'T KNOW IT YOU BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT BUT AS FAR AS THAT FUNCTIONING AS TRUE RAMA. >> I DO I DON'T LONGER A GOD AND YEAH, I MEAN AT THAT TIME, BUT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME IT ACTUALLY WORKED AS A PSYCHO DRAMA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A SOUND SYSTEM AND THE LIGHTS THAT GO AND THAT AND IN 1990 WHEN I WAS REALLY THERE IT WAS. IT WAS JUST WALK THROUGH I BECAUSE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SPENDING MONEY ON THAT SIDE I'M JUST SAYING ALL THESE OF IT. I LOVE HISTORY. YOU KNOW, I I AND APPRECIATE BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT I GO TO IT AND MY SON ALWAYS TOWN TELLS ME YES YOU WANT TO OTHER PEOPLE MOM BECAUSE BUT THAT'S WHAT I I APPRECIATE HISTORY BUT I KNOW IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. AGAIN IF THIS HASN'T BEEN FUNCTIONING OR AT LEAST A QUARTER OF A CENTURY AND FOR US TO TAKE ON. THIS MASSIVE PROJECT BUT WE HAVE SUCH LIMITED FUNDS, THE IMPORTANCE IS TO GET. A FACILITY A DECENT FACILITY FOR PEOPLE TO TO HAVE A BATHROOMS AND CHANGE AND TO HAVE THAT FOR THEM. SO YEAH, I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE OF THE OTHER I'M GOING TO CHOOSE HAVING BUILDINGS FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY GO TO THE SPRINGS AND THIS TYPE DRAMA. I EVEN HAD ASKED ABOUT AND WE RE PURPOSE THAT TO USE THAT AS THE ADMISSIONS BUILDING BUT AGAIN THE PROBLEM COMES IN WITH ELEVATION IT'S IT WOULD NOT SITTING WHERE IT SHOULD BE SITTING. IT WOULD RUN TO THE SAME PROBLEM AS WE HAD. RECENTLY I WAS 12 INCHES OF WATER AND IN THAT BUILDING. AND I WOULD SEED SELECTIVELY CHOOSING SOME OF THE ARTWORK HAVE THAT WOULD BE DONE TO IT'S UP THERE BUT CHOOSING SOME OF THAT TO DISPLAY AGAIN WHERE PEOPLE MAYBE COME IN SO THAT THERE'S SOME. SOMETHING THAT SHOWS WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. BUT AS COMMISSIONER AND RICH SAID SOME OF THOSE DRAWINGS ARE ARE QUITE IF ALL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY OK EVEN WHEN I WENT IN THERE. WELL THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO THAT WAS 30 YEARS I THOUGHT WHAT IS ANYWAY I UNDERSTAND THAT. ALSO WITH THE I WAS LOOKING AT THE OLD LIST THAT WE HAD WE GOT ALL THESE PRICES 4 THINGS AND AT THAT TIME UTILITIES WAS 2.6 MILLION. THE SITE WORK WAS 4.6 MILLION. AND THE PARKING WE HAVE TO DO PARKING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EVERYBODY PARKING ON GRASS THAT IS JUST ABSURD TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPRINGS AND THAT THAT ALONE COMES TO 9 MILLION. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK THE MAGIC WITH THESE NUMBERS TO GET EVEN THE BUILDINGS ALL OF THIS HAS TO THE DONE. AND AS WAS SAYING THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT WOULD THESE ICES MUCH NOW PROBABLY THAN IT WAS WHEN WE HAVE NUMBERS THIS WAS BACK IN 2022. IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO PRICES HAVE. OF THAT SITE WERE WAS TO SUPPORT THE 60 ACRE. PLAN THAT. HALF BUT THEN AGAIN THAT MIGHT BE A STILL A PRETTY GOOD FIGURE CONSIDERING PRICES HAVE GONE UP. IT ASSESSED THESE ESTIMATES THAT WAS. 2 YEARS AGO. AND THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES I KNOW I HEAR THIS A LOT AND YOU KNOW I'VE INTERESTED IN HOW OTHER. HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY THE ENVIRONMENTALLY BASED IN THE STATE HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED AND I'VE DONE RESEARCH FOR FOR MANY MANY YEARS ON THIS BEFORE EVEN THIS CAME UP. AND IT'S NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND MY FIRST RESPONSE IS WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN IF THERE'S FUNDING. SOURCES OUT THERE ARE NONPROFITS WHERE ARE THEY DAY GOT PLACE. THE WEEKI WACHEE WAS MADE INTO A STATE PARK. AND THAT'S THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION RUNS OUR STATE BECAUSE THE LITTLE TOWN OF WEEKI WACHEE WHICH HAD A POPULATION OF 12. THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN SAID WHEN YOU WENT IN THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF WHAT WATCHING WHICH IS WHY THEY WENT TO THE STATE FOR THAT. BUT IT WAS IN JEST LET'S KEEP IT AS IT IS WITH THE MERMAIDS. BROUGHT IN THEIR BUCANEER BAY WHICH IS A SPRING FED COOL IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE OUR AQUATIC CENTER SITTING IN A POOL. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS THE WATER NEVER GOES BACK INTO THE SPRINGS, BUT IT'S A SPRING FED. COOL IT THAT BOUGHT BROUGHT STAND AROUND IS THE WHOLE BIT AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT PEOPLE FOREIGN THAT PRODUCES THE REVENUES SO THAT SHOWED ME THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAKES MONEY IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE OTHER PORTION THAT THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP THEIR WHICH FOR ME IS THE MERMAIDS AND THE BIG AQUARIUM THAT THEY PUT THIS WOMAN BUT THAT WASN'T BRINGING IN ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT EVEN TAKING CARE OF IT AND THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE WHICH WAS JUST LIKE 2 YEARS AGO, THEY SAID WEEKLY THEY HAVE TO CLEAN THAT ALGAE OUT SPRINGS. IT IS OVERWHELMING AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT. SILVER SPRINGS, YES, THEY DID GET SLIP THAT WITH MY MONEY. BUT THAT WAS MAINLY BECAUSE OF SEPTIC TO SEWER CONVERSIONS WHEN I LOOKED ABOUT WAS THE BASIS FOR PLACES GETTING MONEY IT WAS BECAUSE PRICES WERE ON SEPTIC. AND THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE MONEY FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS THAT WAS INITIALLY ASKED IN THIS ESTATE DECADES AGO. ONE FLORIDA WOULD NO LONGER PERMIT DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR RIGHT UP TO THE WATER'S EDGE. BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE SOME MONEY TO COMPENSATE. PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY AND NOW WE'RE BEING TOLD YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK UP TO SUPPORT FLORIDA FOR REFUNDS THAT WAS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO COMPENSATED FOR THEIR PROPERTIES. AND SO THAT'S. A VERY LIMITED CYPRESS GARDENS AS WE KNOW MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN NOTICE CYPRESS GARDENS ANYMORE. THE NOTE IS LEGO LAND BUT THAT USED. FOREVER FUNDS TO BUY THE BOTANICAL GARDEN PART OF IT. ACTUALLY TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS WHICH THE GULF COAST. THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE. THEY PUT UP THE MONEY INITIALLY AND THEN GOT REVERSE BACK FROM AFAR RATHER FUNDS TO BUY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT HOWEVER THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS DEVELOPED AN AMUSEMENT PARK LATER BECAME IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A TRADEOFF BUT THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED THESE FUNDS ARE JUST GOING TO BE PUT OUT THERE TO HAVE THIS LANCE IT THERE. AND NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND AND SWIM IN WANT TO ENJOY IT. AND AS COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAID IF WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE WATER AND MAYBE DISCLOSE IT OFF AND JUST LET IT BE THE WAY THE WAY IT COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT BACK OKAY SO YOU HAVE TO BE THE LIST ECONOMISTS ARE TALKING ABOUT IT'S GOING TO BE PUTTING UP MONEY AS IT REALLY PRACTICAL. WOULD BE ALL STARTING NEW WITH THOSE BUILDINGS. AND HAVING SOMETHING DECENT FOR PEOPLE TO TO GO INTO. WITHOUT THOSE PICTURES ARE HORRENDOUS WAY. I LOOKED AT. AND THEN ALSO. BESIDES. THAT TO GET OUT GETTING RID OF THE SITES I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT IS AGAIN IF NO ONE'S TAKING THE LEAD AND ALL THESE DECADES TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT TO BRING IN A NONPROFIT AND I KNOW THERE WAS TALK OF COMING IN THAT THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED BUT I CAN SEE MAYBE BECAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF. YOU KNOW HAD BEEN COMPROMISED SO. AND NOTHING EVER CAME OF THAT AND TO SAY STARTED NOW I WANT TO STAY WARM MINERAL SPRINGS HAVE A RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES AND THAT IS STARTING WITH HAVING REALLY NICE ENTRYWAY AND FACILITY FOR PEOPLE TO USE GO THERE SO. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. AND WE'RE BACK TO COMMISSIONER EMERGE. I JUST GOT A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. DO WE KNOW WE HAVE THE NUMBERS ON HOW MUCH >> MONEY IS GENERATED EACH MONTH THAT SPRINGS AT THE CURRENT. CURRENT FACT. AFTER COSTS LIKE >> INCLUDED IN SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION WAS SUMMARY ON THE PART. WE WERE BASICALLY AROUND. IT 9,000 VISITORS ON AVERAGE PER MONTH. CLEANING I'M A 100 AND 6, 2, 30,000 IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE MONTH REVENUE. EXPENSES ARE ANYWHERE FROM. 80,000. HE SAW THE KIND ALL OVER THE BOARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE. WHEN WE FIRST TOOK IT OVER WE HAVE TO PUT. MEAN TO GET IT OPEN. WE HAVE OPERATED BEFORE. NOW WE ALSO HAVE SOME EXPENSES WHERE WE'RE DOING THE REFRESHED SO WE'RE NOT ON A REGULAR OPERATING. CYCLE AT THIS POINT. AND YOU THAT'S ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. IN THE PAST. WE. HAVE GENERALLY ABOUT A FUND BALANCE SOMEWHERE AROUND $800,000 THAT WAS THE AVERAGE EACH YEAR. AND SO WOULD HOPE THAT WE GET BACK TO THAT SAME. >> REASON I ASK THAT IS I JUST WANT TO GET SOME NUMBERS BECAUSE THE WAY WE'RE TALKING TODAY. WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE MORE MATCH WILL COST WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST MOVE FORWARD YOU HEARD FROM MULTIPLE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE AT THE HALF MILLION DOLLAR PRICE AT THIS POINT. MISTER STOKES BROUGHT OUT THE PART ABOUT MAYBE LEAVING THE BATHROOMS OUT OF ARE CURRENTLY NOW I WANT TO SEE HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GENERATE MORE IT OVER TIME WE CAN DO ♪ BUILDINGS BUT ACCORDING TO THOSE FIGURES IT WOULD TAKE YEARS AND YEARS. SO THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. SO. BUT WE WE DEFINITELY NEED RUNNING UTILITIES BE IT JUST STRAIGHT UP THAT OUT THERE. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL REROUTE THE BACKUP YOU NEED THAT ROOM WITH SYSTEM. WE NEED SYSTEM GOING DOWN ORTIZ. YOU IT'S ALL COSTS. NOBODY'S MENTION WHAT'S THE COST GOING TO BE ON DEMOLITION WITH ALL THOSE BUILDINGS I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE A HEFTY PRICE TAG OF CLEARING OUT 3 BUILDINGS. IF THAT'S WHAT SIDE. WE ALREADY KNOW RENOVATING GOING TO COST THEM I BELIEVE THAT WAS UP TO 22 MILLION DOLLAR PRICE TAG THAT'S WAY ABOVE THE 8 NIGHT. WELL I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE PROPER NUMBERS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE. >> YOU KNOW LIKE SOMEBODY SAID OUTSIDE SHOWERS ABUSE, THE SHOWERS LIKE THE USE OF THE BEACH. >> YOU KNOW. SOMETHING THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WRAP AROUND IT LIKE A CONCRETE WALL OR WHATEVER THAT MISTER JUST HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR LITTLE BIT OF PRIVACY BUT YOU'RE STILL OUTSIDE. WE NEED TO GET THESE COSTS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BUT WITH THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK FOR THE CITIZENS OUT THERE AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THE PALM BUT PARKING IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW THAT MAY NEED TO BE INCLUDED TO WHERE WE CAN GENERATES MORE MONEY FOR SOME OF OUR CITIZENS SO ALLOW THEM TO BRING THEIR FOOD TRUCKS OUT HERE, YOU KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PLAN ON IN FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE NEED THE BASICS COSTS. WHAT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO COST AND THEN. DO WE HAVE THE MONEY OR WHETHER WE NEED TO GET THE MONEY. AND IS THAT FEASIBLE. BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE NEED WHERE WE'RE STILL ON THE STARTING PAY JO. SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND WE NEED THOSE NUMBERS. AND THAT'S PART OF >> AND THE STEPS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE THE KENLEY HARM. YOU KNOW WHICH PATH YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT WE OF COST. >> I WAS CURIOUS. WHAT PETER WAS HERE. BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT. ♪ ♪ >> LIKES IT MEAN OUR MEETINGS MAY SEEN HIM IN A WHILE. >> I'M GOOD MAYOR THAT'S ALL VICE MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, I MEAN. >> JUST TO IF WE WERE TO OCCUR. ADDRESS >> BASIC MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS ARE ON PHASE. ONE WITH BATHROOMS RUN UTILITIES. IT'S THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY WE CAN TO THE SPRINGS PROVIDE BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS AND THE SIMPLE BUILDING. I MEAN THAT'S NOT TO FORESTALL BEFORE WHAT OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE SOME COLLABORATION TO AT SOME POINT IN TIME KILLED A NEW CYCLE OR ON NEW MUSEUM OTHER AMENDMENTS IF. THERE WAS INTEREST ONCE THE BASIC SPRINGS WAS CLEANED UP TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD IT WOULD BE SUSTAINING AND AND PROVIDE THE BASIC AMENITIES THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THOSE OTHER THINGS COULDN'T COME IN TIME AS LONG AS THEY WERE LOW-IMPACT ENOUGH AND THEY FIT WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT THE 18 ACRES. JUMPING TO. SHOULD A COULD A >> WAR. >> OBVIOUSLY. MYRIAD AREAS THAT MIGHT BE PURSUED INVESTIGATED. THE SPRINGS HAS BEEN IT AND THE CASE STATE FOR I CAN'T. WELL BEFORE I MOVED HERE AND THE REALITY IS COMMISSION AFTER COMMISSION HAS DONE NOTHING THERE HASN'T EVER BEEN ANY GROUP THAT STEPPED UP. NOBODY'S PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH THERE'S PLENTY OF SINGING BUT NO BRING IN. OK ASHLEY GOT ABOUT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AND IT WASN'T EVEN A PROJECT THAT MOST PEOPLE SUPPORT SO. >> THE REALITY IS YOU CAN'T DREAM ON ALL YOU WANT. I MEAN I LOOKED INTO FLORIDA FOREVER RATE ORGANIZATION HOWEVER IN RECENT YEARS. THEY'RE LIMITED THEIR FUNDING IS EXTREMELY LIMITED THEIR PRIORITY LIST IS EXTENSIVE FOR PROJECTS INVOLVING ONLY 20 SOME ODD ACRES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING 80 HERE. IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE SMALLEST PROJECTS. IT CAN TAKE MONTHS UPON MONTHS. JUST TO GO 3 UP UP APPLICATION PROCESS TO GET. REVIEW TO GO ON THE PRIORITY LIST FLORIDA FOREVER. AND THEN IF YOU MANAGE TO GET ON THAT LIST YOU ARE PRIORITIZED AS A LOW PRIORITY, IT COULD BE YEARS YEARS BEFORE YOU EVER SEE ONE DOLLAR. I WOULD SAY DO WE REALLY WANT TO LEAVE. ♪ THIS PROJECT WITH NO CHANGE JUST THE WAY IT IS WITH PORT-A-POTTIES AND TEMPORARY FACILITIES FOR YEARS. I SAY NOT THIS COMMISSION'S PRODUCT ITSELF IN MAKING DECISIONS. I DON'T THINK. >> ADDRESSING THIS 18 ACRES IN PROVIDING BASIC CLEAN AMENITIES AND MAKING THIS SOMETHING WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN ORTIZ AND LOOK AT THE FRONT YOU COULD FEEL PROUD. I DON'T THINK THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF FUTURE POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND SO I REALLY SEE THE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PHASE, ONE BECAUSE 2, 3, 4, YEARS FROM NOW IF WE COULD EVEN DO IT FOR 8 AND A ♪ HALF MILLION NOW IT WILL BE 15 MILLION. IN 3, 4, 5, YEARS. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT. >> I APPRECIATE THE LEGACY TRAIL CONNECTOR THAT SHOULD BE DONE REGARDLESS. WE ALL KNOW LAND WE SHOULD DEDICATE A PEACE AND WE SHOULD LOOK TO OUR COUNTY AND WE SHOULD LOOK TO THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT THIS CONNECTOR I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD COST THE CITY ONE DIME HAVE A CONNECTOR AND MINERAL SPRINGS, ALL WE SHOULD DO IS CONTRIBUTE THE LAND LET THEM PUT UP THE MONEY TO DO IT AND I THINK THAT CAN GET DONE AND I THINK AND HOPE STAFF IS WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALL ALONG THE WAY AND INSTEAD IT GOT TABLED, WHILE WE WAITED FOR A CASE RATE WHICH NEVER CAME TO IN THE FINAL THING I WILL FOREGO THE NUMBER SAYS I WOULD NEVER BE SUPPORTIVE OF SELLING. WHAT A FOR US THIS 88 WHEN AMERICAN OR TO JUMP TO JUST TO GO OVER I MEAN IN THE STAFF REPORT. THERE WERE NUMBERS PROVIDED IN. TO FISCAL YEAR 20. >> REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES NETTED $275,000 IN. FISCAL YEAR 21. IT NETTED 893,004 '09 IN 20 TO 9 6842, PRETTY HEALTHY NUMBERS THAT COULD HELP CONTRIBUTE TO. A LOT OF THINGS IN FISCAL 23 LOST 208,138. THAT WAS A TOUGH YEAR. AND 24 SO FAR WE'VE BEEN FOR MONTHS GENERATED $447,500 AGAINST COST OF 2.96 TO FOR UNMET. >> OF ONE 51 THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF IS DOES THAT INCLUDE. >> AND ALLOCATION FOR PROPERTY INSURANCE GENERAL LIABILITY DOESN'T ALSO INCLUDE ALLOCATION FOR LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AND THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT'S CONTRIBUTED BY VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY SET A FULLY LOADED SET OF NUMBERS IT WE PAY >> THE TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT'S GOOD. SO I MEAN IT MAKE SOME MONEY MAKE HUGE AMOUNT BUT IT SO IT'S NOT RAINING AND TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. AGAIN ALL COME BACK TO WHAT I SAID ORIGINALLY THIS COMMISSION DOESN'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND IT SHOULDN'T ON THIS PROJECT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THEY WANT SOME BASIC CLEAN MANATEES SO THEY CAN ENJOY THEIR SPRINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND. STU THE CITY'S TIME AND EFFORT ON THE STRAW ON AND LET'S CLEAN IT UP LET'S GET BASIC AMENITIES, LET'S MAKE IT PERHAPS WHEN YOU DRIVE UP TO THE FRONT OF IT YOU GO WOW AND. MOVE ON THAT AND AND ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES. ULTIMATELY IN MY OPINION. MINERAL SPRINGS IS THAT THE CITY OF NORTH PORT'S ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND FUTURE IT'S NOT THE END MAY COME IN SPRINGS, ECONOMIC DRIVER. IT IS A SYMBOL OF OUR CITY, IT'S IMPORTANT IS TO BE PRESERVED TAKEN CARE OF FUN. IT'S THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO GET PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT THEY PASS. OFF MY SO OK I WAS ABOUT RIGHT HIP. COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BUT MAYOR I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS WHEN WHEN YOU'RE READY. I'M GOING TO ALLOW MYSELF ONE MINUTE GRAB SOMETHING AND YOU OPENED THE DOOR BUT WE HAVE ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY 12 YEARS AGO WE SPENT 5 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT A PLAN AND WITHOUT A BUDGET FOR ITS UPKEEP SHAME ON >> SO I WILL SIMPLY SAY THIS COMMISSION HAS DEMONSTRATED SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST 2 OR 3 YEARS THAT WE DON'T SHY AWAY FROM THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ELECTED. >> YEARS AND YEARS DECADES AND DECADES. >> AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE GOT A LOT OF **** I'M SORRY DID I JUST VIOLATE OUR. >> SAY YOU KNOW WE DO AND I'M GOING TO FEEL SORRY FOR MYSELF JUST 30 SECONDS SO I WOULD JUST ASK THE PUBLIC. >> TO PLEASE WORK WITH THOUGHTS. WE ARE TRYING SO HARD TO DO THE RIGHT THING. >> STAFF IS JUST SO EXPENSIVE. >> TODAY. >> AT AND I FIND MYSELF ALWAYS SAYING IN PRIVATE FUNDING WE HAVE DONE THIS 10 YEARS AGO OR EVEN 5 YEARS AGO WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN IT DONE. BUT WE'RE DOING IT NOW SO PLEASE WORK WITH US I I TOTALLY SUPPORT SO DID THE MEME MINIMALIST APPROACH I I'D LIKE TO SEE EVERYTHING LAID OUT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT DOES THE DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDINGS CASA RETAINING SOME OF THOSE PANELS. WHAT WOULD IT COST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BASIC CENTER WITH THE BASIC AMENITIES HARD TO FIGURE IT'S ON THE WATER AND SEWER IMPLEMENTATION AND THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. THE PARKING IMPROVEMENTS MAY HAVE TO WAIT. I DON'T KNOW. I'M AND I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ON A LINE ITEM BASIS. SO WE CAN KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE AND MAYBE SAY OK THIS THIS WAITS TO LATER AND AND THAT'S REALLY THE BASIS OF. MY FIRST MOTION. I WOULD ALSO SAY I'M LEANING IN. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL CAMP WHEN SHE SAYS WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN STATE TAKING OVER THIS AND MAKING IT A STATE PARK. AND MY HEART OF HEARTS I WANT THE CITY OUT OF THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS JUST IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO MANAGE AND RON THAT KIND OF AN IMPORTANT ASSET. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO STOP OUR FORWARD MOMENT WHILE WE EXPLORE THAT. BUT AT I BUST AND I'M GOING TO BE A LITTLE CRANKY TO DIRECTOR BECAUSE I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY AND MAIZE MEETINGS FOR A PRO FORMA ON MINERAL SPRINGS, AND I WANT TO CAN OUT AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN NUMBERS ON WHAT DOES IT COST FOR US TO MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY, I'VE NEVER SEEN NUMBERS ON WHAT OF OF THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED SHOULD BE KEPT PROTECTED ENOUGH AND FOR THE OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SHOWED HER THE PRO FORMA THAT YESTERDAY IT WOULD INCLUDE OH I'M SO SORRY I MISSED THAT I APOLOGIZE. SO WE HAVE THE PRO FORMA I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT APPRAISAL YEAH THAT I DO APOLOGIZE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. ONE MINERAL SPRINGS CAN MAINTAIN ITSELF WITHOUT GOING TO THE TAXPAYERS AND YOU KNOW TALKED FOR YEARS THAT THE PROPERTY GENERATES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. CROSS SET ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPLIED ALL COSTS OF REALLY MAINTAINING THAT PROPERTY COMPLETELY. I I THINK IT WERE OR BREAK EVENT. WHEN YOU DO THAT SO ANYWAY AND ENOUGH OF THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT EVEN THOSE EVEN THOUGH WE WILL SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I'M BRINGING WATER AND SEWER TO THAT PROPERTY SEPTIC SYSTEMS TO THE OF ONE MINERAL SPRINGS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S WORRYING ABOUT THAT. I THINK ABOUT IT WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE DOUBT AND SHOULD THERE BE A CORRECTIVE ACTION SHOULD WE BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF CORRECTIVE ACTION. SO ANYWAY, I'LL STOP SLAP AND MY JAZZ MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER YOU'RE OKAY I HAVE YOU DOWN AND MAKE YOU HERE. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YEAH, SO I'M GOING TO RESPOND TO CONVERSATION WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE GET TO DO IN A SPRING SAYS OPEN AND IT'S BEING USED AND IT'S MAKING THE CITY MONEY THERE'S NO DISPUTING THAT IT MAY NOT LOOK PRETTY BUT I HAVE A FEELING THE USERS ARE VERY USED TO HOW IT LOOKS AND THEY'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MAKE. WE WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING ALL THE OPTIONS. SO ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, MAYBE IT WAS MAYOR, I'M NOT SURE SAID NOBODY CAME FORWARD. WELL ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS NOBODY CAME FORWARD. IS BECAUSE. WE WENT DOWN THE PEACE REPACK. COMPLETELY SHUT DOORS TO NONPROFITS TO CONSERVANCIES TO OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE THEY KNEW THIS IS THE PATH THE COMMISSION WANTED TO TAKE SO THOSE STORES THAT CLOSED IMMEDIATELY. NOW THOSE DOORS ARE WIDE OPEN AGAIN. BUT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH THOSE OPEN DOORS AND EXPLORE THE ACTIONS THAT I HAD SHARED. AND WE WANT THE PEACE REBID WE HAD 2 PEOPLE COME FORWARD WITH THEIR IDEAS ON WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO. ONE WAS SELECTED. AND THEN IT WENT OUT TO BID TO ALL OF THE OTHER ENTITIES ONLY ONE BEEN CAME BACK FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO SOMETHING. WHEN YOU GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL DANCE. YOU KNOW JUST DANCE WITH ONE PERSON YOU CAN ADVANCE WITH A WHOLE BUNCH AND TO HAVE ONLY ONE TO CHOOSE FROM SHOULD HAVE SENT ROCKETS IN RED FLARES UP IN THE AIR THAT SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT. Y'ALL GOTTEN YOUR SOAPBOX MY TURN. IT IRRITATES ME WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAY NOTHING'S BEEN NOT NOTHING'S BEEN DONE NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. THAT'S WRONG THAT'S NOT FAIR. THIS COMMISSION. TOOK THE STEPS TO TRY AND FIND THE MONEY TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE BUILDINGS AND BROKE IT OUT IN PHASES THIS COMMISSION WE WE CAME UP WITH THE MASTER PLAN TO FOLLOW THAT WAS NOT A PLAN. IT GOT TO VA BECAUSE THE COST TO FIX THOSE BUILDINGS. SO WHEN WHEN PEOPLE. EVERYBODY SAYS NOTHING'S BEEN IT'S NOT FAIR. WE'VE GOT THE WE'VE GOT THE SPRINGS BACK OPEN APRIL OF 23. KUDOS TO STAFF ARE MAKING THAT HAPPEN. AND WE GAVE 5 DAYS OF FREE ADMISSION. WHAT WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO DO WHAT WE CAN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE SAYING NOTHING'S BEING DONE NOTHING IS BEING DONE THE THINGS BEING DONE. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. AND NOBODY WANTS TO. KIND OF THE PHRASE PUT UP OR SHUT UP. 0.5 MILLION. AND NOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR THAT UP AND I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO WAS. SMARTER THAN ALL OF US DONE THIS BEFORE ALL OF US AND KNOW HOW TO DO THIS AND GET IT DONE CORRECTLY. AND TO TEASE OUT THERE THAT HELP US. WE HAVE TO DO IS INVITE THEM TO WALK THROUGH THE DOOR IF THIS COMMISSION IS WILLING TO TAKE A FEW MORE MONTHS WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE SOMETHING TODAY TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE WILLING TO WALK THROUGH THAT DOOR. WON'T YOU BULLDOZE THOSE BUILDINGS. ALL THOSE OTHER OPTIONS JUST MIGHT FLY AWAY AGAIN, AND NEVER COME BACK. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE STATE PARK MIGHT WANT TO TAKE IT WITH THE BUILDINGS INTACT BECAUSE OF THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT. WE DON'T KNOW. SO I AM GOING TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH THESE UPCOMING MOTIONS. I HAVE TO GIVE STAFF PROPS FOR DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET DONE FOR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. YEAH, IT IRRITATES ME THAT THIS PARCEL WAS PURCHASED. KNOWING THE CONDITION, KNOWING HOW IT IS THAT IN THE REPORTS IT'S IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION THINGS AND WE TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. SIGNS ON THAT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING THIS IS A RESET THAT'S TOO RIGHT, LET'S FOLLOW THAT. PLAN THAT WE HAD SET OUT 2019 TO FOCUS PAGE ONE. AND MOVE FORWARD. AND JUST FOR PEOPLE THAT'S ON THE PASSING A NOTE TO THE MAYOR. OUR I MEAN TO COMMISSIONER LANGDON IT WAS THE PERFORMER SHEET THAT WAS IN THE MATERIALS OF >> COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE VALUATION IT'S IN SO JUST SO PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT WOULD NOTES MY PASSING TO A COMMISSIONER THERE IT IS. >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. YEAH HE'S GOT. >> QUESTION FOR STAFF FROM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ABOUT THIS PRODUCT. HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET THESE NUMBERS YOU KNOW WE WERE TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION OPTION. ONE AS YOU PUT IN THE AGENDA. HOW ARE WE TALKING TO GET THESE NUMBERS IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT CORRECTLY. >> NOW IT IS NOT WOULD HAVE AMEND THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND ASSOCIATES TO FOCUS ON. WHATEVER THAT ACTION IS AND THEN DETERMINE. BUT IT'S THE PROGRAM OF THAT MINIMAL BUILDING THAT WE NEED AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ABLE PROVIDE US A PROBABLE COST WE BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS CORRECT THAT WANT TO GET INTO THE MY SECOND QUESTION IS. >> IT'S ABOUT 6 MONTHS JUST 6 MONTHS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE THE DOOR IS STILL WIDE OPEN. WE'RE JUST GETTING NUMBERS AT THIS POINT. TO FIND A DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD AND ASKING YOU THAT YOU ASK US TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION ON WELL HALF AT THIS TIME ARE WE LOOKING AND I THINK AS A BOARD WE 0.5 MILLION DOLLARS WHAT CAN GET DONE. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO PUT THAT OUT, YOU KNOW WE'RE STILL. JUST NEED INFORMATION. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT I'M I WAS GOING DOWN THERE HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD NOT TAKE 6 MONTHS. BUT I GET YOUR POINT IT WILL BE A WINDOW OF TIME THERE. I WOULD SAY WHILE WE ARE DOING THAT PIECE IT WILL ALLOW THE PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE HEARD FROM. >> VOCALLY THROUGHOUT OUR WHOLE P 3 TIME. THE OPPORTUNITY TO ORGANIZE IN THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO DO IS. ALL THE WORDS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT A STATE PARK THE NATIONAL PARK OTHER THINK THAT WE'VE HEARD IT GIVE THEM THE TIME TOO BRING BACK THAT ARGUMENT TO YOU AS WELL BECAUSE WHAT WE DID OUR EYE IN JUNE OF 2022. THERE WAS NO EXPOSES TOWARDS THE SAME EFFORT AND THAT WAS WELL BEFORE WE STARTED THE 3 WHICH WAS THE YEAR LATER AFTER THAT. SO WE DIDN'T PRONE WE WANT TO DO THIS TO GO TO BE GREAT TO BE 3 WAS SORT A LAST RESORT IN THE THAT FOR US. THEY'VE SPOKEN. WE'VE HEARD THEY HURT US I THIS WAY IN THAT DIRECTION SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US OPTION ONE THAT WE BOTH LET THEM ORGANIZE AND COME BACK AND TALK TO THAT SAME TIME WELL. >> OKAY THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT WITH WITH THE DATES. ONE TIME COMING SO NOW I'M GOING ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BY A I COULD COMMENT ON IT PEOPLE SHOWN YOU THAT THEY WANT LEAD ALL AND SURVEY THROUGH. >> COMING. THANK FOR MINERAL SPRINGS, A PUBLIC PARK. CREATION. DO NOT PURSUE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ARE A COMMERCIAL VENTURE WITH OF MOST ALL TIME AND WE WANT BE A PUBLIC PARK PARK ARE CURRENTLY HARMONY. AND WE ARE FALLING BEHIND WITH POPULATION PERSON PARKLAND IN OUR POLL BRING OUR METTLE DURING A PUBLIC PARK. THANK >> AND WE PASSED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR A MOMENT TO ART. MATTER WHEN WE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO BREAK UP THE DISCUSSION INTO PHASES PHASE ONE TO PHASE 2 AND THEN LEGACY TRAIL ALL WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH WAS PHASE. ONE SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT YET WE STILL HAVE MORE OF OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT PHASE 2 LEGACY TRAIL. IF I IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, IT IS OKAY THAT'S CORRECT I THANK YOU. SO THEY HAVE TO PAUSE PUBLIC COMMENT CARE IT LEGALLY DO SHRANK YOU ALL RIGHT SO I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAD. SAID SHE HAD MOTIONS READY TO GO. YEAH, I'M JUST ONE AND THAT I ALL JUMPING THE HE'LL BE AND ALSO JEAN UNTIL WE HAVE >> TO THE PASS OPTION TO NOT A COMMENT SHE WAS LEGALLY CAN'T WIN WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE YOU VOTE. SO YOU COULD HAVE IT NOW IF YOU WANTED TO YOU COULD HAVE ACTUALLY TAKE THE MOTIONS BUT MAKE SURE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU VOTE ON ANY. IT'S THAT THEM SO STILL HAVE OPTION TO SECOND SO ALL TOLD TIME MOTION UNTIL THE ALL RIGHT CHILLING BOTH PHASES SAID ONE OK OUR ABOUT I KNOW >> TO TAKE A SHORT LITTLE BREAK FOR PHASE, ONE I MEAN 4 COUNTS THAT I 10 MINUTES SO WE'LL BE BACK AT TO 19. >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST I WAS RECYCLE DRIVER FOR 5 YEARS FOR THE AND THEN I BECAME THE PLAN A SCHEDULE AFTER TAKING AN INTEREST EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON HOW TO RECYCLE PROPERTY MY POSITION MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY I START OUT BY VISITING THE NEW RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE GARBAGE AND RECYCLING CONTAINERS TO BE THE LIMIT AND. >> I WILL GO SEE THEM AND EDUCATE THEM ON A SOLID WASTE GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT RECYCLE CONTAINERS MANUALLY FOR CONTAMINATION. ♪ AND THEN I WILL TAKE CALLS FROM DRIVERS IF THERE'S ♪ ANY ISSUES WITH A REPEAT. GARBAGE CYCLE AND I WILL GO EDUCATE THE WHAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT THE PORT IS. THERE ARE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE THEM ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO ♪ RECYCLE PROPERLY. >> PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO THE NORTH PORT. HERE TODAY, WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8, 0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE DO THAT. >> CAN ALSO GO ON A WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO WHEN IN DOUBT. >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY SET OUT WHAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE OUT. WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES CHEMICALS. >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1650 CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED BY 27 IS ONE COULD PICK OUT ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S NOT GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050. >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM, SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET THE STORM AND THAT'S DUE TO A VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A STANDARD TO IN OTHER STATES THAT SO WE WILL HAVE A BACKLOG OF CALLS THAT HAVE COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT WILL PRIORITIZE BASED ARE GOING TO ANOTHER RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY COMMUNICATOR. ALSO ON THE ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO CLEAR THE ROADS ANY HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND RESPOND THE CAUSE. ♪ JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CARE ABOUT OUR RESIDENT AND THAT SAFETY, BUT IT MAY ♪ JUST TAKE A WHILE FOR US TO GET TO THE PANDEMIC THAT >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON THE EMERGENCY YOU'RE GOING TO IT IS THEY ARE GOING SEE STORM SURGE FLOODING OVER NEXT SO STORM SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE GOAL IS PUSHING WATER UP ONTO NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR INSTANCE, AGO AND THEN THE WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO DO BECAUSE WATER TO BACK FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH A LOT OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM ALSO CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER FLOODING INTO THE RIVER ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT CAUSING FLOODING AS WELL. PUBLIC WORKS HAS A LOT OF WORK BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE FOR AND WANT JUST STORM SURGE FLOODING IN OUR WATER IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL ABOUT A LOT FOLKS ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS THE VAN PULL US ON THE AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED BLOW FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH THAT STARTS WITH THE FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM WE WERE THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN THEY GRADUATE IS ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON THE BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE WATER. >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SO MARIO TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT AND I AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS INTERESTING VERY SO MARIO WHAT HE FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING BIN SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE ♪ MOST COMMON THING I FIND FRANK PLASTIC BAGS. >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE I FIND JUST POSTING THE CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE RECYCLE WITH HIM ♪ AND MISSION DECIDEDLY CONTAINED THAT'S RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS. SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH DOING A LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE THE CONTAINERS OF I COME ACROSS A LOT OKAY I WANT TO DO THAT SO. >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH SOLID WASTE. ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE I'M THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT, IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT YET SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE SURE TO HAVE ♪ BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97 POINT. >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM EVACUATION LEVELS. >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW WE LEFT OFF WE ARE GOING >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR MOTIONS FOR PHASE, ONE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT OR PHASE ONE AND PHASE 2 YOU HAVE NOT SUBMITTED A COMMENT CARD. AND YOU WANT TO COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THE BASE. 2. PORTION BE SURE YOUR COMMENT ART IS UP HERE TAKE OFF PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BUT WE'LL DO A MOTION FOR PHASE, ONE EARTH TENSE. BUT WE GET THIS QUESTION QUESTION OUR MINDS WHAT TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO HAVING COMMISSION DISCUSSION ABOUT THINGS PROVIDE I MADE THAT CLEAR SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I MAKE A IT IN WHAT PEOPLE SHOWN ME THAT LEAVE ♪ >> THINK A ♪ >> PUBLIC PARK. CAN TO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, COMMERCIAL VENTURE WITH PROPERTY LOT OF AND WE WANT BE A PUBLIC PARK PARK ARE CURRENTLY IN CARNAGE AND WE FOLLOWING THE POPULATION VERSUS PARKLAND IN PLEASE THINK I BRING A PUBLIC PARK. THANK YOU. 8, 3, 2, ♪ ♪ >> AND CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I THINK IN EYE TO EYE. ♪ TREATY ♪ POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. LEADING THE APART. EVERYTHING NATURAL. LIKE YOU KNOW TRAIL IN CARBON NOT. AND 2 CONDOS HOTELS ANY OF THAT KIND OF 19 MASTER PLAN IF PEOPLE THEY ARE. ♪ ♪ CITY OF ATLANTIC CARE FOR 4 PARK. ♪ BELIEVE THAT HOPES TO SELL THE PARK TO THE STATE ♪ FLORIDA OR FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM. WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT MUCH BETTER THAN THE >> PARKER. AND HONESTLY, FACT THAT THE FLOW RATE FOR MINERAL SPRINGS HAS BEEN DECLINING STEADILY OVER MANY DECADES GEMINI SPRINGS AND THE BARI HAD TO BE CLOSED TO SWIMMING FROM LEAD YOU TO SUCH A DECREASED FLOW RATE AND THE OVER DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT LAND. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE BALANCE NORTH PORT HOUSING BOOM PROTECTING WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK AND ITS ENVIRONMENT. THE FIRST STEP IS TO WORK WITH THE SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THE FINDINGS FROM ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES TO PROPERLY ASSESS THE HEALTH OF OUR SPRINGS AND THE LAND SURROUNDING IT. YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO SURVEY THE MANATEES TO DEPEND ON THE WARM WATERS PHONE FROM THE SPRINGS INTO MYAKKA CREEK FOR THEIR WINTER SURVIVAL PLEASE HONOR THE RESULT OF THE 2019 MASTER PLAN AND THE 2023 SURVEY WHICH BOTH CONCLUDED THAT THE MAJORITY OF NORTH PORT RESIDENTS WANT TO PRESERVE THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK IN ONE PIECE BUT INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT AND SOME AMENITIES, THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK CAN BECOME INSPIRING ECHO DESTINATION USING PHONY SPRINGS AND LAKE WHEN AS AN EXAMPLE OF A SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. YOU CAN ALSO UTILIZE AND ON TAPE. RESOURCE YOUR CONSTITUENTS FOR EXAMPLE, OR PART RELATED FACEBOOK GROUPS MANY PEOPLE ARE OFFERING CONCRETE WAYS ON HOW TO RESTORE OUR SPRINGS AND FIND WAYS TO OBTAIN FUNDING SUCH ESTABLISHED THE SPRINGS HAS AN OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRING IMMEDIATELY RAISE IMPACT FEES NEW CONSTRUCTION PAPER WATER AND SEWER FOR THE SPRINGS THROUGH INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS PARTNER WITH A SOLAR PANEL COMPANY TO SAVE MONEY ON ELECTRICITY REQUEST MONEY SET ASIDE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS IN SARASOTA COUNTY SO THE SPRINGS TO A STATE FOR NATIONAL PARK AT A FAIR PRICE INSTEAD OF KILLING THE SPRINGS BY OVER DEVELOPMENT. IN CONCLUSION PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES FOR THE RESTORATION OF WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. SO IT DOES NOT DIE FROM OVERDEVELOPMENT LIKE DENNIS, BUT INSTEAD. I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE 2019 FOR MINERAL SPRINGS MASTER PARKLAND I DO NOT SUPPORT SELLING ANY OF THE SURROUNDING ACREAGE I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE KEPT COLD WHILE WE ARE WORKING UP A IMPROVEMENTS ON THE MONEY IS WE HAVE AVAILABLE WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER RAIN BIRD TO EXPLORE THE HAND HE HAS EXTENDED PERHAPS WORK TOWARDS MAKING IT A STATE PARK WHERE IT WILL BE PRESERVED SHE ATE IT. VARIOUS BLATT. I READ THE REPORT CAREFULLY AND SUPPORT DEMOLITION AND NEW CONSTRUCTION EVEN USING THE TERM HISTORICAL RESTORATION IS RIDICULOUS THE 2 BUILDINGS AT 3,000 SQUARE-FOOT AND 7,000 SQUARE-FOOT RESPECTIVELY ARNAUD STONE CAR. AIRPORT DIRECTOR ADOPTABLE ARCHITECTURAL MARVELS LET US BE HONEST. IT IS ALL MOLD AND SOME TILE WAS AND CRUMBLING THE 2019 PLANNED BUILDING BUT TO REPRODUCE THE INITIAL ASPECT. ALSO IT IS VERY USEFUL FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHY SQUARE FOOTAGE SIMILAR TO APPROXIMATELY 3 LARGE NORTH PORT HOMES, CURRENTLY VALUED AT 500,000 EACH SO TOTAL ONE 0.5 MILLION WILL COST MORE THAN 9 MILLION TO BILL, UNLESS THE PLAN IS TO USE CARRARA MARBLE 2 OUT. THE BREAKDOWN FOR THESE 2 BUILDINGS, THE SURVEYS HAVE CLEARLY STATED THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS THE PSYCHODRAMA CAN BE RESTORED LATER PLEASE STOP USING IT AS MEANS TO INFLATE THE NUMBERS. CRISTINA MINIMIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF WARM MINERAL SPRINGS AND KEEP IT MORE ECO TOURISM DESTINATION FOR PUBLIC TO ENJOY THIS IS A HUGE PART OF NORTH PORT'S NATURAL HISTORY. THAT SUPPORTS THE LOCAL WANT AROUND AN ECO SYSTEM INCLUDING MANATEES BE OF THE MYAKKA RIVER THE PROPOSE LOWER INTENSITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT I VOTED FOR IS ANYTHING BUT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BETWEEN THE RESORT PRESIDENTIAL BELT ABOUT OURS. IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SAY WITH ALL THAT IN MIND I ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE BETTER MAINTAIN TO KEEP THE PUBLIC COMING BACK TO EXPERIENCE ART. ELAINE ASYLUM. I OPPOSE ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS CONDOMINIUMS OR ANY KIND OF HOUSING TO BE BUILT PERSONS DELAY SHUN ACCEPTABLE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS TO PRESERVE AND MAKE THE WARMING ON SPRING ENJOY A LOT OF PORTABLE TO LOCALS. FACE FACTS EXISTING BUILDINGS TO PRESERVE THEM. MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS AS THIS FRAGILE HABITAT WILL CEASE TO EXIST AND NORTH PORT WILL LOSE ITS TOURIST DOLLARS. ALSO THE GRASS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE EVERY GRAHAM LAST LINK FOR MINERAL SPRINGS NEEDS TO BE REHABILITATED USING THE 2019 PLAN, THE CITIZENS HAVE PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THIS PLAN IS WHAT IS NEEDED WE WANTED AND EXPECTED ARE GETTING AROUND THAT TIME TO PRESERVE PROTECT AND DO WHAT IS EXPECTED OF ELECTED OFFICIALS LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE 2019 PLANS ONLY BEING CARRIED OUT. THEY MET COMMISSIONERS THESE DO WHAT IS RIGHT LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY OR MENTAL STRAINS HAVE MEANT CULTURAL HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND ECOLOGICAL VALUE PLEASE PUT INTO PLACE THE PLAN TO PRESERVE THE PARK FOR PUBLIC ENJOYMENT AND POSTERITY DO NOT DESTROY THE TREES AND TORTOISES DO NOT EXPLOIT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PLACE HELPED CREATE THE BEAUTIFUL PARK SO MANY IN THE COMMUNITY WANT PLEASE CONNECT THE PART OF THE LEGACY TRAIL AS IT WAS INTENDED. PLEASE HEED THE CONSISTENT INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR MINIMAL AMENITIES. POLISH NORTH PORT'S JAM WHICH HAS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR TOO LONG. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND MAKE A COMMUNITY PROUD BUILD ON NECESSARY AND WHICH WE ALL WANT TO PUT BEHIND US. AND PERSON I HAVE AND CARS ALL BY ONLY NOW STILL A LOT JAMES STRAUSSER. >> IPM CARS I HAVE A FEW OF MY OWN >> I JUST WOULD LIKE NOT TO HAVE PART OF SOLD OFF TO HELP PAY FOR OTHER IN THE CITY MAYBE HOPEFULLY THE CITY CAN DO LIKE US AS CITIZENS, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WITH OUR BUDGET IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON AND WHAT WE CAN WAIT FOR THE FUTURE I DO THINK THAT REPAIRING THAT THE SMALL BUILDING FIRST, I GUESS WE CAN CALL IT THE ADMISSION BUILDING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CYCLE RAMA IT SINCE IT'S AN HISTORIC BUILDING THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY BUT AND IT RELIES AS MENUS FOR SO LONG. AND THEN JOHN HARPER COULDN'T BE HERE AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD REITERATE SOME OF COMMENTS. SOME OF NICE SPRINGS IN DEL RAY HAD TO BE CLOSED TO SWIMMING PERMANENTLY BECAUSE OF THE DECREASE FLOW RATE. FROM OVER DEVELOPMENT. AND THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO WORK WITH SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND THE FINDINGS OF FROM ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES TO PROPERLY ASSESS THE HEALTH OF OUR SPRINGS AND IT DID COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS WITH MAYBE RIGBY ESTABLISHING THE SPRINGS AS AN OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRINGS. IMMEDIATELY RAISE IMPACT FEES ON NEW CONSTRUCTION PAY FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FOR THIS SPRING'S FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS AND PARTNER WITH A SOLAR PANEL COMPANY AND ALSO I DID WANT TO BRING UP THE MONEY STILL THERE YOUR CIP SOMETHING IT WAS THERE FOR THE 2023 TO 2027 FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $400,000 THAT WAS EARMARKED FOR THE TROPICAIRE BOULEVARD THAT WAS THE BIKE PATH AND I KNOW IT FUNDED TO GO THROUGH BUT THERE'S STILL MONEY THAT'S STILL LISTED IN THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE. THAT $400,000 IS STILL AVAILABLE I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN THE ESTATES AREA MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET THAT UP BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT'S MY. THANK YOU. WAS NEXT. FASTER. >> ALL >> TO AND AGAIN IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ANYTHING ON THIS ITEM WHICH IS 6 A PHASE ONE AND PHASE 2 SHOW YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD. HOW COOL IS THIS. YOU GUYS GET TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING THAT IS A LEGACY THAT THAT CAN BE CARRIED ON TAKE TAKING ON THIS LAKE. I'M INSPIRED RIGHT NOW AND I'M MOTIVATED LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS AND TO SEE THESE PROCESSES THEY GET TO TAKE PLACE. >> TO BE SITTING IN YOUR CHAIR IS IS DEFINITELY AN HONOR YOU GUYS THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO SO FIRST LIKE GOT TO COME IN. AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND NOT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. NOW WITH THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH THIS IS BIG NEST THAT IT FEELS LIKE TAKING ON AT THEY NOW WANT TO POKE IT SO MUCH BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY. TO MAKE A DECISION BUT MUCH RATHER NOT SEE THE DECISION MADE TODAY AND TO TAKE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE FIGURE OUT THE BEST APPROPRIATE COURSE OF ACTION. THESE BUILDINGS THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE A B AND C THEY ARE ACTUALLY TOPOGRAPHIC WILL ARIEL. DESIGNED TO BE THE MIMICKING OF THE SPRINGS THE CYCLE RAMA IS THE SPRING ITSELF. THINGS AND BE IS THE HOURGLASS SHAPE. ALL OF THIS SPRING'S IN THE CASE THERE'S A LOT HISTORY THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT OF WHERE THESE CAME FROM AND WHY THEY SHOULD STILL BE PUT ON HOLD SO TO SPEAK. NOW. WITH THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT CAN TAKE PLACE A LOT OF THE STUFF WAS 2 YEARS AGO WHEN THESE WERE PROCESSED SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT THERE'S ENLIVENING SO TO SPEAK OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN PROTECTING THIS. THE SPECIFICS I'VE HEARD I'VE MADE LOTS OF NOTES SO I'M REALLY JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT. SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THERE ARE ALSO OPEN TO THE EMPLOYEES SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT CAN BE GENERATED INTO THE REPORTS FROM THE STAFF. THE OTHER THINGS THAT OCCURRED IS. THE OTHER SPRINGS THAT WERE MADE IN THE STATE PARKS OR NOT WE ALSO ARE OKAY WITH THE SHOW PARKING LOT AND SAND IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAN TO HAVE EVERYTHING PAVED OVER. I THINK THAT'S A VERY MUCH OF A BIG DEAL. AND IS THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED ONCE YOU GET TO SEE THE ACTUAL COST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT IN THESE REPORTS AND THAT SHARES WITH OTHERS. I MISS THE REPORT MYSELF AS WELL SO I DIDN'T SEE ALL THE WAY KNOW HOW THAT GOES AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS LIKE THE MANATEES RIGHT THIS IS SO LITTLE THAT THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION HAS STRETCHED THE RUNOFF AND WE HAVE MANATEES ARE COMING IN BIRTHING MEETING IN THIS AREA FROM THE SPRING RUNOFF. >> AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON IT, BUT IT'S A HUGE TOPIC AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE A MANATEE THERE'S A HIGH INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT'S A TYPE THE SPRINGS CRYSTAL RIVER WORKING WATCHING ALL THESE OTHER PLACES. >> SO THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOLDING OFF ON THOSE BUILDINGS IS IMPORTANT. ♪ ♪ >> THANK THANK YOU. >> THIS AS IT SOAKS KITS. I WANT THANK YOU I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE P 3 AND THEN WIND UP AT THIS JUNCTURE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF TIME BUT JUST LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE NOW. AND THE 2019 PARK-LIKE PLAN IS WHAT WE WANT. AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN ONE WITH THE BUILDINGS. THE SIMPLE THIS METHODOLOGY IS WHAT'S BEST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR COFFEE RIGHT NOW IT'S LIMITED FUNDS. SO WE NEED TO JUST DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THE SPRINGS IN A PROPER PLACE. WE CAN THEN ACCOMMODATE. THE NECESSITIES THAT WE NEED AND THEN BRING IN ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES. ECO TOURISM TO PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN DO ON THE OTHER 6 TO 2 ACRES. HABITAT FEELING THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD BE DOING TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL PHONES THAT WOULD THEN HELP US TO PUT MONEY TOWARDS. BUT WE WANT TO DO WITH PHASE 2. THE WHAT YOU HAD SAID COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AS FAR AS. ANYBODY CLOSE IN THE DOOR. THAT'S BECAUSE THE DRUG WAS NEVER OPENED BECAUSE OF THE PACE, GRAY THERE ARE PLENTY OF ORGANIZATIONS OUT THAT THE FLORIDA SPRINGS. WELL THAT'S WHERE PROGRAM WITH THE EMERGENCY ACQUISITION PROGRAM. WAITING LIST FOR YEARS. THEY PUT 2 MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT FUND EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SITUATIONS JUST LIKE GRANTS. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF BAD NEWS THAT WE CAN GO DOWN THAT WAS IT MONEY. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH PHASE ONE. SO IF ONLY HAVE 8 MILLION DOLLARS. LET'S SAY WE CAN ONLY DO HALF THE BUILDING LET'S DO IT. TO ME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT THE HISTORICAL RENOVATION BECAUSE THAT'S JUST. GOING TO BE PHENOMENAL AMOUNT MONEY. WELL AS JAMES WAS SAYING BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO MEND SPRINGS. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY KIND OF RENOVATION OR IF WE'RE GOING TO JUST DEMOLISHED IN NEW BUILDINGS. AND WE SHOULD DO IT SOMEWHAT WITH THE SAME. SO ON THAT. YOU BUT WE ALSO ANOTHER THING IS IS A BUILDING UP THE STREET NEXT TO THE VETS NOW BUILDING. CAN BE USED. AS A MUSEUM OR THE LIMITED MISSION CENTER. THE WHOLE HE'S AN AVENUE. WE CAN UTILIZE AND WHEN WHEN I WAS THERE WE WERE GOING TO BRING IN THE WATER AND SEWER LINES TO TREE ON PHONE. WE GOING TO BRING IT DOWN ORTIZ THAT WAS COMING DOWN TREE ON FILE. THIS WASTEWATER EXPANSION GRANTS THAT WERE JUST TURNED AWAY 1.5 MILLION. SO WE CAN DO IT, LET'S JUST TAKE A BREATH SINCE WE'RE AT THIS JUNCTION NOW. AND LET'S LOOK AT ALL OF OUR OPTIONS, LET'S GET THE COST FACTORS IN PLACE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY KIND DECISION LONG TERM WHAT CAN YOU DO. THANK YOU FOR EMOTION. GET A WORKOUT TODAY. I WOULD BE A BROKEN RIGHT FRONT. >> I STILL FIRMLY BELIEVES THAT THE ISSUE WARMING THOUGH SPRING SHOULD GO TO A REFERENDUM OF THE CITIZENS. TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY WANT TO EXPEND MORE MONEY. THERE. SPRINGS. PROTECT. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU SEPARATED. THAT WAS BUT FOR ENTIRE 81 ACRES AS A CITY PARK. ALSO BELIEVE THAT PUTTING IT TO A REFERENDUM WITH SABAN AWFUL LOT OF THAT AGGRAVATION. ONE OF THINGS BRINGS IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE NEXT THURSDAY'S AGENDA YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING ITEMS TO PLACE THE REFERENDUM. I THINK YOU WOULD BE REMISSED NOT CONSIDERING AT LEAST A DISCUSSION ON PUTTING THIS A PLACE. REFERENDUM. BECAUSE NOT TO DO SO MAY HAVE IMPACT ON OTHER REFERENDUMS YOU WISH TO PLACE ON THE BALLOT. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I SAY THAT. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND THANK YOU VERY >> THAT'S >> ALL OK SO I WILL ENTERTAIN MEANT. COMMISSIONER LANGDON YEAH PHASE GIVE IT A TO REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF AND BANK BRING BACK A PROPOSAL FOR OPTION 3. >> WHICH IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS KEEPING. CYCLE PANELS AS APPROPRIATE. CONSTRUCTING A SIMPLE STRUCTURE FOR ADMISSIONS WITH OUTSIDE SHOWERS AND FLUSHABLE TOILETS TO BRING WATER AND SEWER. TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA. AND ALSO WHAT IT WOULD COST TO IT WHAT'S THE INCREMENTAL COST OF BRINGING IT DOWN TO TAMMY AND PARKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE OVERALL GOAL OF STAYING WITHIN 0.5 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. VERY >> TO THINK THAT KERRY WON THE OPTION 3 THAT YOU MENTIONED IF SOMEONE LIVING IN THIS ABSOLUTELY OPTION WHILE I'M READING THE SWEET PARKMAN RIGHT REDESIGN OKAY AND ONE YET AND THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT TOPIC 3 IN. THINK YOU AND ALSO AS WE ARE ASKING YOU TO GO ON PATH WE WOULD ABOUT MOTION ON. THERE'S A COST TO GO INTO THAT THAT WAY YOU KNOW GETTING RE-ENGAGE IN THE ENGINEER, IT WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT MODEL WHICH DOESN'T EXIST BASED ON THE QUESTIONS OF UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING OF THAT WANT TO DO. SO WE WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE BEST GOING IN AND GETTING THOSE THINGS GOT AND THAT SHOULD BE A LINE ITEM. >> YET TO SECURE OPTION 3 INCLUDE THE CYCLE RAMA. >> WE'RE INCLUDING THAT BUILDING. I HEAR THAT FOR DEMOLITION YES, SAVING SOME OF THE PAN SOUTH FOR RESTORATION PRESIDENT SOME TIME BUILDING OKAY, THANK US. >> ALL RIGHT SO WITH THAT INCLUDE ENGAGING THE SERVICES MY WHOLE OR GORE. WHAT DOES NOT HAVE ADD TO IT COSTS TO DEVELOP PLAN CORRECT. THAT'S A K. WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE WANT THAT REPEAT WILL COME UP A COMMISSION LANGUAGE MY CONSTITUENTS AND CHANGES TO IT, THANKS. THAT WE REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL FOR OPTION, ONE. AND THE STAFF SUMMARY WHICH INCLUDES AND DEMOLITION OF ALL 3 BUILDINGS, A B AND C. MAINTAINING ARE KEEPING SOME OF THE PANELS AND THE CYCLE RAMA FOR A FUTURE RESTORATION. CONSTRUCTION OF A SIMPLE ADMISSIONS STRUCTURE. THAT WOULD HAVE FLUSHABLE TOILETS AND THEN OUTSIDE SHOWER OR SHOWERS. BRINGING WATER AND SEWER TO THE IMMEDIATE SPRINGS. >> BUT THE SUBTEXT OF WHAT'S THE ADDITIONAL COST OF BRINGING IT DOWN TO CHAMPION ME. >> AND THEN RECOMMENDED PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. AND THE COST TO DEVELOP A PLAN. NEED A SECOND OF A SECOND ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON. AND SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR OAKS. A TOO MUCH. OH I'M SORRY I JUST SAW SOMETHING ON THERE. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> I WAS NOT THE MOTION MAKER OR SECOND OR SO IF YOU WANT TO LET THEM SPEAK FIRST DOOR. >> MY ONLY QUESTION I RAISE COMMISSIONER SAYS 2 WE ALSO WOULD WE ALSO WANT TO AMEND OCEAN POSSIBLY TO INCLUDE. A SET OF PERFORMANCE. INCOME AND EXPENSE OF OPERATION. I MEAN OR IS SET YOU KNOW ON THE 18 ACRE SOURCE AT SOMETHING WE JUST WANT TO ENTERTAIN SEPARATELY. I WANT TO MAKE THIS MOTION ANY MORE CONVOLUTED THAN ALREADY IS. >> IF I MAY SPEAK MAYOR, I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SHOW THAT HAS A GROUND, WITH YOU WE DO HAVE A PRO FORMA GOOD WITH KIND OF WHAT IT'S ALL I OKAY, I'M GOOD WITH THE MOTION. I COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH. >> I HESITATE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION BECAUSE IT'S TOO. DEMOLISH ALL 3 OF THE BUILDINGS. I REALLY THOUGHT WE GOING TO EXPLORE ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE DID THAT AND THE MOTION IS TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK WITH THE PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS. WELL THEN YOU CAN TAKE AWAY. THE IDEA OF HAVING A STATE PARK OR NATIONAL PARK ARE POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE CONSERVANCY ARE BOTH CLOSED COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AT. OTHER RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. I CAN'T SUPPORT BECAUSE YOURS STICKING TO ONE OPTION. NOT LEAVING THE DOORS OPEN FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. IT WAS NOBODY CAME FORWARD WELL IF THIS IS THE PATH YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE NOBODY'S GOING COME FORWARD AGAIN. SO I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT STATED FOR THOSE REASONS. VICE MAYOR. >> AND RESPONSE ENSURE BELL I IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY WHEN THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER ON. TO COME BACK. ASK OK IF THIS MOTION IS MADE AND AND APPROVED BY THE COMMISH. I CORRECT THIS IT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 6 MONTHS. BEFORE WE EVEN SEE IT SO WOULD NOT FORCE THAT I MEAN. >> YOU KNOW I KNOW THIS WILL NOT TAKE 6 MONTHS, OKAY, IT WILL NOT BE THAT WILL KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL BE BUT WE'RE NOT GOING CITY COMMITS A SIX-TIME WINDOW. OKAY I DON'T HAVE PUT SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES 3 MONTHS I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS. >> THERE'S NOTHING TO PROVE ANYONE. FROM REACHING OUT TO ANY ORGANIZATION ANYWHERE. ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS OR TO INSTRUCT THE CITY. TO EXPEND RESOURCES AND ENERGY TO GO EXPLORE THOSE WE COULD ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION. BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO IT. 2, 2, NOT TAKE ANY ACTION, SIMPLE WAY TO SIT AROUND WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING IF WE WANT TO INSTRUCT AS A SEPARATE MOTION CITY TO CONCURRENT WITH OUT AND INVESTIGATE WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE WANTS TO MAKE IT A PARK WHERE SOME CONSERVATION GROUP WANTS PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND OR WHY WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD TO AT THE 2019 PLAN, I'M ALL GOOD WITH THAT. BUT THE LAST THING I'D WANT TO SEE IS US. NOT MOVING FORWARD ON THIS MOTION AT THIS TIME I JUST DON'T THINK. THERE'S ANY REASON MOST CAN BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING LIKELY ARE WE SAYING. >> YOU WILL GIVE US DIRECTION TO GO PATHWAY BUT THE PROJECT AS I SAID EARLIER. VOICES THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR VERY WELL VERY WELL ORGANIZED ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO IN THE PATHWAY THAT IT ALREADY DONE SO AND IF THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO IT BETTER IN ORDER FOR IT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE PATH THAT YOU PUT IT ON AND MAYBE THEY'LL HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU FOR THE STATE MORE OR FUNDING ONGOING ITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS. >> ALL MUCH. >> HENDRIE STATE THIS WE'RE JUST GETTING COSTS WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY ACTION AND HAIR AND ANYTHING DOWN. IN THAT TIME SPAN BUT THE ONLY THING I MAY SUGGEST IS WHEN YOU GET THE SPECTATORS AND YOU GET BACK TO US. GIVE SPENT YEARS IN A BUILDING BY BUILDING COST FOR DEMOLITION AND LET'S SAY IT I WANT TO RAM FOR THE CYCLE RAMAH AND WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. BUILDING A COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS BUILDING BE COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS. GIVE US A BREAKDOWN, I KNOW THEY'RE OUTSIDE TO HAVE A MALDEN IT'S GOING TO BE ONE THING. GET THIS DONE IN ONE SHOT, BUT IF WE LEFT SOME WHAT'S EACH INDIVIDUAL BUILDING GOING TO PAY AND I THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE ASK HIM. I AGAIN NOTHING'S GOING TO GET DONE UNTIL WE GET THE INSPECTORS. SO I SUPPORT THIS MOTION. OKAY COMMISSIONER NOW, YEAH. >> WHAT IF THE NUMBERS COME BACK AND SAY HEY INSTEAD OF DEMOLISHING BUILDING 2. WE CAN REFURBISH IT WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE MOTION AND THIS IS AGAIN WORDS MATTER. MOTION IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF KEEPING A BUILDING OR 2 OR 3 AND GIVING US. THE. POTENTIAL FACTS OF. IF YOU DO THIS THIS IS HOW MUCH IS SPENT PASTA FEW REFURBISH THIS IS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MOTION IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS. >> THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL REPRESENTED DESIGN OR IN THE BACKUP RIGHT NOW HE HAS THE COST IN THEIR PURSE WITH PUTIN THE PRICE. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP WAR 2 OR 3 OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT INDIVIDUAL PRICES WROTE THAT WE HAVE THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT PART. >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BUILDING SO HOW CAN THE REPORT. WHICH REPORT THIS THE SWEET ALL LAID OUT ON I JUST WANT THEN WHY ARE HAVING ACTION WANT TO DEMOLISH >> SORRY I'M I'M NOT SUPPORTING THE MOTION IS SENDING THE MESSAGE TO THE MEDIA TO THE CITIZENS TO THE OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED. >> THIS IS WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS. AND YES WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION BUT THAT'S INFORMATION YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE NOT ASKING TO EXPLORE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES SO NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO STEP UP AND COME FORWARD BECAUSE THE COMMISSION THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE DECISIONS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN THAT WE WANT TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDINGS. VICE MAYOR. >> ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE SAID IS THAT WE'D LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A. PHASE ONE PLAN THAT INCLUDES THIS. THE INFORMATION ALREADY SUPPLIED TO COMMISSION MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE RESTORATION OF ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, WE'LL SO ASTRONOMICAL. THAT THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO WEAR WITH WILL FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO SO WITHOUT USING CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS WHICH. FAVOR OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 18 TO 20 MILLION DOLLARS PLUS 3 STUART THESE BUILDINGS THAT CAN'T BE ANY CLEARER THAN THAT. I MEAN WE DON'T NEED ASK. ANYBODY MORE THAN WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S THAT SIMPLE NOW IF SOMEBODY IS 1 WITH ANOTHER 10 OR 15 MILLION DOLLARS. WE STORIES BUILDINGS, WORLD LEADERS BUT NOBODY'S DOING THAT AND IF YOU WANT TO SIT AROUND AND HOPE THAT SOMEONE IS GOING OUT THERE AND SAY HEY COULD YOU PUT 10 OR 15 MILLION DOLLARS INTO THIS. IT ACTUALLY BLEW LOOK AT THIS HE COULD NOT MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK TO PUT HIS CONTRIBUTION AND THAT WAS WITH THE IDEA OF BUILDING CONDOMINIUMS AND A HOTEL ON TOP OF SHOW. IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. IT IS ABSURD TO THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO STEP UP WITH 10 TO 15 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO ANYTHING TO RESTART BUILDINGS. WE'RE ASKING IS SUCH STAFF BRING BACK THE PLAN THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING AND AGAIN BY GOT A CITY MANAGER 7 EVERYONE ELSE IF ANYBODY'S GOT A BETTER PLAN AND THEY GOT THE MONEY TO BACK IT UP BRING WE'RE ALL WE'RE HERE BRING YOUR CHECKBOOK. OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> US MOTION I HATE COMING EXPERTS ALWAYS STILLS LIFE UNDER A SO I'LL SIMPLY SAY THEY OF THAT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> THAT'S FOR WANT SEE IT SO. >> CALLED THE QUESTIONNAIRE OK THANK YOU ALL RIGHT, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. LET'S VOTE ON THAT. AND THAT'S FOR THE COMMISSIONER THANK ABBOTT SENT AF FOR A REASON STATED. REASONS I STATED ALL RIGHT CLOSING THE DOOR. ALL RIGHT SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE SECOND NOT THAT CAN I MAKE A MOTION. CAN YOU WHAT CAN IN POLICE MAKE A MOTION FOR A DEVELOPMENT KNOW WHAT. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK MAYBE IT'S THE CITY MANAGER I DON'T KNOW TO INCLUDE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE REFERENCED DURING TODAY'S DISCUSSION ABOUT PHASE, ONE. THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS APPRAISAL AND THE CB ARE YOU REAL ESTATE PROPOSAL ANALYSIS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS. IT WAS ONLY INCLUDED AS A LINK. BUT IF YOU BREAK DOWN THESE 2 IT SHOULD BE SHAREABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR THEM TO THAT IN FOR THEM TO SEE. WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK DID KNOW BREAKS DOWN IT'S NOT THE BACKUP MATERIAL, SITTING IN OPEN TO THE DIRECT ARE BEING WHAT DO WE DO IT IT'S NOT A CATCH TO THE CBRE REPORT RIGHT. >> THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED SO. THOSE ARE LARGER FILES WE NEED TO. OKAY. SO MY MOTION IS. >> IS TO INSTRUCT THE CITY CLERK OR CITY MANAGER WHO EVER TO ADD THE INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENTS FOR THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS APPRAISAL AND THE CB ARE REAL ESTATE PROPOSAL IN DALLAS TO THE BACKUP MATERIAL FOR THE CITIZENS ABILITY TO VIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS WE TALKED ABOUT. SECOND THAT. THE MOTION WAS MADE. YES. >> MOTION WAS MADE TO YOU WANT TO RESTATE THAT. THINK ARE REALLY HAVE THAT. >> DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO INCLUDE THE DOCUMENTS REFERENCED IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL, THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS APPRAISAL AND THE CBR REAL ESTATE ANNOUNCED DOCUMENTS TO THAT AGENDA BACKUP OKAY, MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR STOKES. >> NO OTHER ESPECIALLY MY VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO THE SECOND PART OF THIS ITEM WHICH IS CONCERNING PHASE 2. OKAY SO FACE TOO. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION DEVELOPING A PORTION OF THAT CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED 60 ACRES IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT PLACE A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF PORT. AND DOES NOT GOING TO DO BILLY IMPACT THE SPRINGS ART SURROUNDING ECOSYSTEM. GIVEN THAT PHASE 2 INITIATIVES ARE CURRENTLY UNFUNDED IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY REVISIT OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTNER WITH INTERESTED ENTITIES TO MEET ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS AREA. SEVERAL PATHWAYS FORWARD REPRESENTATIVE COMMISSION DURING THE JULY 10TH 2023. CITY COMMISSION MEETING INCLUDING THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WHICH WAS PURSUED FROM JULY 23 TO APRIL 24. WORKING WITH THE SEMINOLE TRIBE STATE PARK SYSTEM OR NATURE CONSERVANCY PURSUING OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRINGS AND IMPLEMENTING THE 2019 MASTERPLAN THOSE ARE ALL PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRST STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE 60 WE RECOMMEND PRIORITIZING LEGACY TRAIL EXTENSION IN CREATING A NEW TRAILHEAD OR MINERAL SPRINGS PARK THAT WILL ATTRACT TOURISM TO THE AREA EXPAND QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES AND PROMOTE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION. I BELIEVE MARCH OF 20 22 AND AT THAT TIME THAT PROJECT COST IS ESTIMATED AT 4.5 MILLION DOLLARS. THERE LIKE I SAID THERE'S NO FUNDING RIGHT NOW FOR HAS BEEN PUT IN THE FUTURE SURTAX BELIEVE IT'S ME 30 TO 34 INTERESTS OR TAX. WITH THAT I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY VICE MAYOR. >> HAS CITY STAFF REACHED OUT ALL THE LEGACY TRAIL AND CHARLES HYNES ORGANIZATION BECAUSE OR AND OR THE COUNTY AS WELL BECAUSE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONER GOT SOME GOOD. I HAVE BEEN HEARING EVER SINCE WE DID THE RIBBON CUTTING OVER THERE THE END PRICE. WHERE THE BRIDGE WAS PUT IN THERE ON THE LEGACY TRAIL. I HAVE BEEN HEARD I'VE BEEN HERE IN THAT COUNTY AND THESE GROUPS HAVE MONEY WE OWNED THE LAND SO BY GOLLY WE OUGHT TO CONTRIBUTE TO LAND AND THAT 4 AND A HALF MILLION WHICH PROBABLY 6 MILLION BE PUT UP BY EVERYBODY ELSE SO IT COST OUR TAXPAYERS. ONE GUY I GOT CHARLES ANYBODY COULD RAISE THAT MONEY HE CAN. >> SO YES STAFF MISTER HYNES WE'VE ALSO MET WITH SARASOTA COUNTY PARKS, RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES. >> E ONE MILE CONNECTION FROM ME EXISTING NORTH PORT CONNECTOR BRIDGE TO THE WAR MOST BEEN PROPERTY. THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED. IT'S NOT FUND. I CLARIFIED THAT LAST THE IN DISCUSSION WITH MISTER HYNES HE SAYS THAT THERE ARE SOME INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WOULD PRIVATE FUNDING AS WELL AS NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING THAT SAYS. HERE'S A COMMITMENT TO FUNDING THIS >> AND AT THIS TIME IS THE HEIGHT MADE IT CLEAR THAT OUR MONEY IS ANTICIPATED TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUTCOME. AND THIS IS IN THE OUT NEEDS TO BE MOVED UP. EARLIER YEAR. >> WELL PERHAPS IN CASH COMPENSATION RIGHT. >> MOVING OBVIOUSLY WE STOP 3. SO. YOU KNOW YOU KNOW I'VE MORE IN THE WAY OF COMMENTS HERE I PERSONALLY AS A COMMISSION TO NOT SUPPORT SELLING ANY PORTION OF THE 80 ACRES FOR ANY I BELIEVE THIS ACREAGE PART OF OUR CITY. IN THE WORST CASE. IT'S SAD TO SEE IT WAS IT WOULD BETTER THAN SELLECK SELLING LAND ONCE THIS LAND IS SOLD ANYBODY. ESPECIALLY A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER. 2 YEAR AND A HALF AS A COMMISSIONER HAS LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT WORKING THROUGH EITHER THE EXISTING OR THE FUTURE ULDC AND THE COMP PLAN ALLOWS DEVELOPERS PRETTY MUCH TOO. WHATEVER THEY'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO AND THE CITY. IF THEY TRIED TO STOP IT WOULD FIND THEMSELVES AND ALL KINDS OF LEGAL BATTLES SO PERSONALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM NOT MAKING THAT LAND AVAILABLE. AND IF SOMEONE WANT TO ENTER INTO A LONG I'M GOOD WITH TO DEVELOP ANYTHING I WOULD NEVER VOTED TO LET ASHLEY BLEU BITE AT 60 ACRES. AND I AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANYBODY BUYING. BECAME CONSERVATION LAND THAT'S OF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO DO SHE NEVER BE BUILT ON I'M GOOD WITH THAT BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT 60 ACRES CAN PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS AND THIS CITY. LIKE ENVIRONMENT WITH SOME LIMITED. REVENUE PRODUCING DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN STILL PROTECT THE SPRINGS, WHETHER IT'S TO 2019 PLAN OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THE REALITY IS THAT THIS IS THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY ANYONE OUT THERE AND IDEA. THAT THEY CAN PUT INTO A FORMAL PLAN AND THE MONEY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT 2019 PLAN YOU SHOW ME AND BRING ME SOMEBODY WEST OF FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL AND CAN SHOW THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT INVESTMENT AND CREATE AN AUTO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM ALL YOURS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CASE. YOU KNOW I I REALLY DO THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE FOR THE 60 I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF. JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT IN IN TILL. PHASE ONE IS IS ADDRESSED SO YOU KNOW AGAIN AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INVOLVE SELLING THAT WHEN I'M KINDA. HERE WITH OPEN EYES AND YEARS. OF SOON ALRIGHT. >> AND AND COMMISSIONER MINE AND I'M SORRY BUT YOU ARE VICE MAYOR. >> BUT FOR ONCE I'VE SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO >> JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN TODAY'S MEETING AND 2019 THAT MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2019. IT'S JUST NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE CITY TO UNDERTAKE. IT'S A HUGE PROPERTY. THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF STRUCTURES AND THEN IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, SO I GUESS I I DO AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR'S COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS WE NEVER GOT THE OPPORTUNITY AS A BODY TO DISCUSS THAT P 3 PROPOSAL AND I FOR ONE CAN TELL YOU THERE WERE ASPECTS OF THAT THAT I LIKED AND THEY WERE ASPECTS OF THAT THAT I DIDN'T LIKE AND PARTICULAR. THE CONDO COMPLEX WAS OFF THE CHARTS FOR ME I I NEVER WOULD HAVE APPROVED THE PLAN WITH THAT LEVEL DENSITY INVOLVED IN IT SO I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE NEVER GOT TO PUBLIC WHEN OFFICIALLY WEIGH IN ON THAT PLAN. SO HOPEFULLY THAT MIGHT CALM PEOPLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AT AND TERMS OF RECOGNIZING THAT WHAT WAS ON PAPER IN THAT PROPOSAL DID NOT NECESSARILY LINE UP CERTAINLY NOT TO WHAT I WAS THINKING AND I WOULD ASSUME NOT WHAT MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH THINKING BECAUSE AGAIN WE NEVER DISCUSSED. I ALSO. >> WANT TO REITERATE A COMMENT I MADE AT AN EARLIER MEETING. >> ABOUT THE 60 ACRES. I WALKED THAT PROPERTY. WHAT SOME LOCAL CONSERVATIONIST AND A REPRESENTATIVE FISH AND WILDLIFE. AND WE DID THAT WALK 2 THAT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT WALK WAS TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY SCRUB JAY HABITAT EVIDENTLY AND. 2005 A LITTLE FUZZY ON THE DATES PEOPLE HAD OBSERVED SCRUB JAY ACTIVITY ON THAT PROPERTY. WE WALKED THROUGH IT WE DID SEE AN AREA THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUT THE COMMENT MADE BY THE AGENT FROM FISH AND WILDLIFE WAS THAT CLEARLY THE PROPERTY HAD NEVER BEEN MAINTAINED FOR HABITAT AND IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. RE STORE IT AS SCRUB JAY HABITAT. MY OBSERVATION AND I THINK WERE SOME PUBLIC RECORDS ATTACHED. TO EARLIER AGENDA ITEM I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT THAT PROPERTY, IT'S REALLY UNSAFE. IT HAS BEEN A DUMPING GROUND OF ILLEGAL DUMPING GROUND AND SO DOES LEFTOVERS OF HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS THAT PEPPER THAT PROPERTY. SO I JUST BRING THAT UP BECAUSE I I WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AT THE CURRENT STATE OF THAT 60 ACRES IS NOT USABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC I WOULD NOT I ONLY WENT BECAUSE I WAS IN THE COMPANY OF 4 PEOPLE. AND A WOULD NEVER SAY TO ANYONE WALK THAT PROPERTY ON YOUR OWN IT WOULD NOT BE SAFE. WE DID HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT COMPLETED. IMPACT REPORT AND YES, THEY WERE MANY MANY ACTIVE. GOPHER TORTOISE IDENTIFIED AND THEY WERE ALL MARKED. IT WAS SOME EVIDENCE OF OF OTHER PROPERTIES UP OF OTHER ANIMAL ACTIVITY. BUT THERE WASN'T ANY NESTING OR. AS OTHER. ANIMALS ACTUALLY MAKING A HOME IN THAT PROPERTY. SO I I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I I THINK SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT AT A PROPERTY THAT'S REALLY USED FOR RECREATION TODAY. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANYONE. I'M USING THAT CURRENTS FOR RECREATION. IT CAME UP EARLY IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED THAT WE NEVER COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO DO IT, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT OLD I THINK IT WAS A DANCE HALL YEARS AGO. SOMEONE WITH WHO'S BEEN HERE LONGER MIGHT BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT I THINK THE IDEA OF MAKING THAT MUSEUM IS GENIUS. I WOULD LOVE THAT I HAVE NO IDEA THE CONDITION OF THAT BUILDING OR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RESTORE IT. BUT I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING IS IN THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT IN THE CITY. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM TO TO BRING THAT FORWARD. SO MY AGAIN MY MY ONLY. OTHER COMMENT IS TOO. HAVE PEOPLE CONSIDER. THAT IF WE CAN BRING SOME GENTLE AND I KNOW THAT TERM IS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. IF WE CAN BRING SOME GENTLE DEVELOPMENT TO THAT AREA. WHICH COULD INCLUDE HOLISTIC HEALTH CENTER OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A BOTANICAL GARDEN. AARON MYSELF WE COULD BRING SOME LIGHT DEVELOPMENT TO THAT PROPERTY AND REALLY MAKE IT A DESTINATION THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF AS A COMMUNITY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR NOT LOOKING FOR HIGH RISES ARE ARE ANY OF BUT SOMETHING THAT CAN PLAY OFF THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF THE SPRINGS, WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ATTRACT WAR PARTICIPATION IN THE SPRINGS BUT COULD TIE HIM TO THAT. AND THEN ALSO GIVEN THE FACT WE HAVE 2 HOSPITALS COMING TO THE CITY. AND AND MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OF RELATED MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE BEING BUILT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO. HAVE ALL OF THE PETA I'M MAKING THIS UP TO HAVE ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY SURGERY HAPPEN WITHIN THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND THEN GO TO THE SPRINGS TO RECUPERATE WOULDN'T THAT JUST BE A WONDERFUL WAY OF HONORING THAT PROPERTIES SO AGAIN I I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE ALL HAVE REALLY HAD NOT MUCH OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND AND THE DOOR IS OPEN FOR THAT. SO AT THIS YIELD MY TOWN. I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. I FEEL LIKE I'M IN THE TWILIGHT SO. I'M SORRY THE COMMISSION DID THAT WHAT THE P 3. >> ENTAILED WITH THE CONDOS AND THE RESORT AND THE HOT SUN THE PUP IN THE ZIP LINING. >> THE COMMISSION AGREED FOR THE ONE TO TAKE THAT PLANT AND START NEGOTIATIONS WITH WITH THE P 3 AND 2 ANYWAYS THE PALIN WAS ADMITTED IT FAILED AND I. >> CALL THAT AS DIVINE INTERVENTION BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTART AND RE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PEOPLE WITH PROPERTY. AS THE 60 ACRES. >> THE MASTER PLAN. THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION I THE CITIZENS BY THE COMMUNITY. I THE MEDIA. IT HAS GONE THROUGH SO MUCH SCRUTINY IN THE PAST FOR 5 YEARS. >> THAT IT HAS. >> PASSED THE MUSTER AS THIS IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. IT HAS. ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER LANGDON SPOKE ABOUT. >> LITTLE PICNIC HIKING TRAILS AND MUSEUM THE EVENT LAWN OF THE. >> IT HASN'T THERE. WHAT I REALLY LOVED WAS WHEN COMMISSIONER LANGDON CAME ON BOARD AND SHE SAYS WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT. NOT A NOT A BIG FANCY RESTAURANT, BUT JUST A SMALL RESTAURANT AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME LEGACY TRAIL WAS COMING IN TOO. VOGUE. AT THAT POINT. AND WE KIND OF THOUGHT HEY THIS TO BE A GREAT LITTLE OPPORTUNITY FOR STOP YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE FROM LEGACY TRAIL CAN STOP AT THIS LITTLE RESTAURANT SIMILAR TO WHAT IS OFF. RIVER ROAD. IT'S OWNED BY THE COUNTY. AS A PLACE THEY HAVE A GREAT OFF BRAD GRAB SOMETHING TO DRINK MAYBE GET THERE BY SCHOOL REPAIRED MAYBE YOU KNOW RENT A BICYCLE THAT THAT SMALL KIND OF IMPACT WOULD BE PHENOMENAL TO HAVE HERE. FOR I'M GOING BACK. MY TWILIGHT ZONE. WHEN WE SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT PHASE 2 BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THERE'S COSTS INVOLVED. AFTER WE GET DONE WITH PHASE. ONE. I IT'S DEJA ALL OVER AGAIN. I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PHASE 2. BUT IT IS ONE PREMATURE TOO GOING TO BE A COST AND 3. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMP CONVERSATIONS ARE ABOUT LEGACY TRAIL WITH THE COUNTY AND THE FRIENDS OF LEGACY TRAIL AND ALL THOSE OTHER PARTNERS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH PHASE 2. WHILE I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FAST TRACK LEGACY TRAIL CONNECTION. >> WE WE. >> MY OPINION WE CAN'T FAST TRACK IT. LIGHTNING SPEED. WE'VE GOT TO DO THESE BUILDINGS I SPOKE TO SOME OF THE BUILDINGS. PHASE >> AND THEN WORK ON THE CONNECTION TO LEGACY TRAIL. AND CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO YEAH, I'M SURE THAT THE COUNTY AND FRIENDS OF LEGACY TRAILER LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF A FINANCIAL INPUT FROM THE CITY BUT TO WHAT VICE MAYOR SAID WE HAVE A THAT ABOUT. SO. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT PLAN WOULD BE WHAT IT CONSISTS OF A LEGACY TRAIL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY FURTHER JUST DECISIONS REGARDING LEGACY TRAIL. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER SO BUT COMMISSION RIGHT NOW JUST SAID IS TRUE AND THAT'S WHAT ASKING TO DO OR WITH ONE SIDE OF PHASE ONE WHICH IT WILL BE A COST BASED ON WE HAVE TO LAST THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS NO COST TO THAT FOR US TO MEET WITH TOP TIMES IN THE COUNTY TO GET EVERYTHING LAID OUT AND THEN YOU WILL DECIDE AT SOME POINT IN TIME. IF YOU WANT TO THE CURE 5 WE WERE PULL UP A NOTHING USUALLY IN. WE'RE JUST SAYING LET'S DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE MISTER HYNES BUT I SPOKE TO HIM HE'S ALREADY BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING FOR US TO GET TO HIS SIDE OF THE COIN CAN WE NOT ENGAGE THE BULK OF THE SAME TIME AGO FOLLOW-UP TO THAT. >> COMMISSION GAVE DIRECTION FOR YOU TO WORK WITH CHARLES HYNES AND BRINGS BACK SOMETHING SO WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF IN MY OPINION WAITING FOR THAT CONVERSATION AND BRINGING BACK SOMETHING BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION WHEN HE WAS HERE AT THE MEETING AND GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO WORK WITH THEM AND BRING IT BACK. SO I THINK WE'RE KIND OF IN A STALEMATE SO. >> NO WE'RE NOT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT BEING YOU GET BREAK AND BRING TELL YOU THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO DO THAT WE'RE GOING TALK WAS HEARD THAT YOU CAN GET OUT LEAVE ACT. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER EMERICH. WITH THAT I LOOK AT THIS. THEY WERE LOOKING AT 6062 ACRES. IF NOTHING IS DONE WITH THAT AND IT JUST SITS THERE THERE IS NO GENERATION OF ANY TYPES OF FUNDS COMING INTO THE CITY. JUST SINCE. 2019 PLAN IS JUST ON A PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT NOW SPEND SITTING THERE FOR 5 YEARS. BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 2019 PLAN. IT WILL PROBABLY SIT THERE FOR ANOTHER YEARS UNLESS THE SPRINGS GETS OPEN AND GENERATES WINDFALL OF MONEY TO WHERE WE CAN REINVEST THAT AND TO THE 68 YEARS. SO WHEN WE DID LOOK AT THE P 3 A LITTLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES COMING I'M NOT SAYING THAT. TODAY THAT WE NEED THE CONDOS OR WHATEVER, BUT THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS A PLUS TO THE CITY THAT WE DID NOT. IF WE HAD A BAND SHELL OR WHATEVER THEY CALL IT LIKE AN AMPITHEATER OUT THERE. THAT WOULD DRAW TYPES OF PEOPLE WORKING AS A PARTNERSHIP LIKE THAT COULD ACTUALLY GENERATE REVENUE THAT COULD BE PUT INTO THE SPRINGS. LET'S SAY WHEN THE NUMBERS COME BACK. WE'VE GOT AND A HALF MILLION AND THE NUMBERS COME OUT TO 12 AND A HALF MILLION THAT PARTNERSHIP COULD DIVVY UP THE OTHER 4 MILLION DOLLARS ON A LEASE TYPE OPTION FOR THOSE LANDS. I I'M NOT TRYING TO DISPUTE VICE MAYOR AND WHAT HE'S SAYING ABOUT NEVER SELLING THAT PROJECT OR THAT LAND. BUT WE DID HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ARE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE JUST AS FINE WITH IT BEING SOLD TO THE STATE. OK LET'S LOOK AT. IT WAS SOLD TO THE STATE. MARKET VALUE AT 16 MILLION. WE TAKE 5 AND A HALF. FOR THE SPARTANS. THEN THE HAT. 30 MILLION. THERE'S 3 MILLION THAT WERE TO THE GOOD OR PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE PUT THAT BACK INTO THE SPRINGS. BUT THAT PUTS US AUTOMATICALLY IN THE BLACK GOING FORWARD COVERS ALL OUR COSTS COVERS ALL OUR BEST. THE STATE IS GOING TO SIT THERE AND TAKE UP TO PAR. STATE PARK. IT'S NOT ON OUR BACKS ANYMORE. BUT IT'S BEEN TAKEN CARE OF BY THEM. IT'S AN OPTION. IT'S THANKS TO LOOK AT GOING FORWARD. AND I AM AND THEY WERE LOOKING AT PARTNERSHIPS BUT I'M NOT LOOKING INTO A PARTNERSHIP UP TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE NEED THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR A LONG RUN. IT WOULD HAVE TO A LEASE AND WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS COME BACK ON WHATEVER IT'S WORTH AS ELISE PER YEAR. WE MOVE FORWARD LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AGAIN WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION. LET'S SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. THERE COULD BE CONSERVANCY'S OUT THERE THAT HAVE MONEY AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO THIS WHAT WE WANT TO HELP. I WATCHED HIM PUT YOUR LITTLE TO OUT THERE. WITH YOU. CAMPING WOULD BE GREAT OUT THERE. MAYOR EVEN SAID WE HAVE THOSE LITTLE CABINS UP THERE SHE WOULD LIKE TO STAY N. THAT'S GREAT FOR THAT AREA. IT'S NOT RISES. IT'S BACK TO LOW IMPACT. BUT THERE'S GENERATING SOME REVENUE. SO. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEE WHAT SCOTLAND. YOU KNOW. I SAID MAN OK I'M NOT A. >> MY $0.2 BEFORE WE GET A SECOND ROUNDS. AND JUST TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS THAT YOU KNOW THIS THIS LAND WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. BACK IN 2000 THAT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUE DOESN'T OFFER PEOPLE REFER TO IT AS A. OF THE PARK. IT WAS AND EXTEND. AND IF I HAVE THIS CORRECT IT THAT EFFECTIVELY CENTER NUMBER 7 DIDN'T EXIST BECAUSE THAT LAND WAS THE COUNTY. SO IT WAS AN ATTIC STAND JUST TO BE A PART AND IT WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS WHEN THAT CAME LOTS OF MEETINGS NOT EVEN IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IS BUILDING WASN'T EVEN HERE YET THIS WAS AT THE OLD. CITY HALL BUILDING. AND WE SOME OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM AND THIS GO GET THERE THEY REALLY WANT TO SAY REMAIN AWAY. IT WAS CLOSED, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING. HAPPENED TO I ACTUALLY HOSTED ONE OF THE ELDERS BECAUSE ALAN HALE. YOU REMEMBER HOW I WOULD HANDLE IT. HE WENT DOWN TO GET HIM AND WE HAD A FEW HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING SO I HOSTED HIM IN ANY ANIMAL CHICKEN AND RICE DINNER BEFORE HE CAME AND SPOKE BEFORE THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE SACRED LAND AND HOW IT'S JUST SHOULD BE KEPT THE WAY IT IS AND PEOPLE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE PERMITTED TO BE IN THERE. SO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHY THAT MAN WAS ANNEX TO BEGIN WITH. AND WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND 2010 IT WAS BANK OWNED IT HAD GONE THROUGH TO SUBSIDIZE PRIVATE OWNERS AFTER SO THAT AND IT WENT INTO BANKRUPTCY, I MEAN THAT THE BANK TO BACK THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SITTING I FOR THE COUNTY AND CITY START WORKING TOGETHER TO DO SOMETHING THERE. AND THEN OF COURSE WE KNOW THIS THAT WHEN THE COUNTY BROUGHT BACK HUGE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BROUGHT US TO THE CITY BUYING THE WHOLE THING AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. I'M LIKE THIS. I LIKE TO SEE US EXPLORE. SOME OPTIONS AND AGAIN DOING THAT AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DOING PHASE ONE. IF THERE ARE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE AND WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. THOSE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WOULD HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THE PAST 24 YEARS, BUT IF THEY'RE OUT THERE AND. AND WE CAN GET SOME GROUPS THAT COULD ACTUALLY BRING SOMETHING TO THE TABLE. THAT'S THAT'S FINE. I DON'T SEE ANY ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. WHAT REALLY STRUCK ME IN THIS AND THIS BACKUP WAS THAT THIS PROJECT. FOR THE 60 ACRES IS CURRENTLY ON FUND IT. YES, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT'S GOING TO PRODUCE REVENUE IN ORDER TO CREATE ANY AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE OTHER THAN THE BASIC PHASE, ONE THAT WE JUST. TALKED ABOUT. SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING THERE AND YES 62 ACRES. AND HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THINKING WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE SPRINGS HAS BEEN MAKING MONEY THAT'S BECAUSE IT. THE RIGHT KIND OF MONEY HASN'T BEEN USED TO MAINTAIN ITS SUCH AS THOSE 60 ACRES, IT COSTS A LOT TO MAINTAIN NATURAL HABITAT BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND A REPORT FROM SELECT COMMITTEE NOT THAT LONG AGO THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND. COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE AT THE HALFWAY POINT WITH THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING FROM ALL OF US IF WE PAY I THINK IT'S $0.25 ON A MILITARY FOR MONEY THAT HALF THAT MONEY IS GOING FOR MAINTAINING THE LAND THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED HALF IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR NULAND AND THEY SAID OF COURSE THE MAINTENANCE POSSIBLE CONTINUE TO INCREASE UNTIL IT GETS THE POINT WHERE THAT'S ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING FOR YOU AND WILL NOT BE PURCHASE SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING REDUCE IT PRODUCING REVENUE TO EVEN TAKE CARE OF THAT NATURAL AREA. AND AGAIN I DON'T RECALL ANY GROUPS EVERY LEADING SUBSTANTIAL GOING THROUGH THERE ON A REGULAR WALKS PROGRAMS. IN THAT 62 WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE GROUPS COME FORWARD AND MAKE SOME COMMITMENTS THAT THEY WOULD DO THIS THIS WERE IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE THIS OR WHATEVER I LEFT IT TOO. TO HEAR FROM THEM AND AGAIN AS WE'RE PURSUING THIS THE ALL THOSE OFFERS CAN COME FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S MY $0.2 FOR NOW. ON THAT. VICE MAYOR. JUST LIKE THE REITERATE, I MEAN 2019 PLANETS ARE. >> IT'S A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE THE LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY THE VOCAL VOICES HAVE SUPPORTED AND ENDORSED AND NOW THAT THERE'S NO ACTUALLY BLEW UP 3 FOR FOR UP MORE HIGH. HIGHLY INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT THE ISSUE AGAIN WILL COME DOWN TO SIMPLE DOLLARS. IT'S. YOU KNOW, YES THAT PLAN'S BEEN GUESS EVERYBODY LOVES IT WE ALL EMBRACE IT IT WOULD JUST BE A GREAT THING. HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT'S TAX CITIZENS. I DO NOT BELIEVE. AS A GROUP. WHAT SUPPORT PUTTING AND 20 30 MILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT 62 ACRES. WE HAD A CITIZEN HERE RECOMMEND TO GO TO REFERENDUM. YOU PUT THAT OUT A REFERENDUM THAT STILL STOCKS OPINION IT WILL GO DOWN IN FLAMES. OK TO SPEND 30 MILLION DOLLARS OF ASSISTANCE TAX DOLLARS BUILD ANOTHER HUGE PARK WITH ALL THE AMENITIES THAT TO 2019 PLAN THAT. WELL IT'S GREAT. I THINK QUESTION THEN YOU'VE GOT THE COST OF EVEN IF WE SPEND THE MONEY. THE COST OF IT JUST MAINTAINING THAT'S 62 ACRES AS A PARK LIKE ENVIRONMENT WITH THE AMENITIES 2019 PLAN CALLS FOR I WOULD ESTIMATE TO BE IN THE AREA OF A HALF A 1 MILLION 4 1 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THOSE AMENITIES THAT WERE PROPOSED IN THE 2019 PLAN WOULD GENERATE THAT KIND OF REVENUE IN BUT MOST LIKELY IT WOULD NOT SO YOU KNOW YOU LOOK AT IT AND IT'S GREAT TO SAY WE HAVE A FANTASTIC PLAN THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE. I MEAN THE MONEY. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE RAIN ME THE MONEY. SOME EMBRACE THAT 2019 PLAN, IT'S GOT TO BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE WITH A LOT OF MONEY THAT DOESN'T MIND MAKING THAT INVESTMENT FIND THEM BRING THEM HERE AND THIS COMMISSION WILL PROBABLY BE MORE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOUGHT WE ALL LOVE TO SEE THAT AND IT'S JUST NOT REALITY. SO. THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK TO. IF THIS PROPOSED MOTION TO. PUT THE WORD THERE THAT WE ARE OPEN-MINDED TO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WITH REGARD TO 62 ACRES AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INVOLVE SELLING THAT LAND IN LAST THE BUYER OF THAT LAND. >> WOULD PROTECT THE PROPERTY ON IN FUN ITEM. YOU KNOW IF THE STATE WANTS TO BUY IT FOR 16 MILLION DOLLARS OR ANYBODY ELSE AND MAKE IT A PARK. I BLESS HIM. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANY DEVELOPER GET THEIR HANDS ON THE TITLE TO THAT LAND. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAY WILL END UP WITH DEVELOPMENT. GREATER AND MORE INVASIVE THAN WHAT WE SAW IN THE PIECE 3 PLANTS FROM ASHLEY PAUL. THAT'S MY TAKE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THANK YOU I DIDN'T ADDRESS THE TRAILHEAD MY COMMENTS. AND. >> I THINK OUR DONATION OF THE LAND IS SUFFICIENT I WOULD SUPPORT THE TRAILHEAD. >> AS LONG AS IT'S FUNDED BY GRANTS. AND PARKS IMPACT FEES, NO GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTIONS KNOW SURTAX WE HAVE SO MANY INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS COMING DOWN THE PIKE THAT ARE GOING TO NEED THAT SURTAX BUCKET. THAT I JUST COULDN'T SPEND SURTAX MONEY ON. PARK ENHANCEMENTS. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> BUT TO JUST REITERATE SAYING YOU KNOW THERE'S A OUT THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING. >> GIVEN ONE OF US COM. >> TO REITERATE WHAT COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY VICE MAYOR STOKES IT SAID YES, IF THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT 60 ACRES NATURAL ANSWERING PLACE CONTACT US CONTEXT CITY MANAGER PARKS DIRECTOR. LET'S GET IT DONE. >> BIGGEST DRAWBACK IS AT 60 ACRES WITHOUT THOSE BUILDINGS WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE SPRINGS ITSELF. I DON'T SEE THE STATE PARK JUMPING FOR JOY TO GET 60 ACRES. THEY THEY WANT TO KEEP THE NATURAL RESOURCE KNOWN AS WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THEY WANT THAT LAKE IS. HISTORICALLY AND CULTURALLY AND NATURALLY VALUABLE. TO HAVE IT BE A STATE PARK. MOST STATE PARKS JUST ART 60 ACRES OF VACANT LAND THERE SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT A STATE PARK THAT MAKES IT UNIQUE AND MAKES IT. PEOPLE WANTING TO GO I WENT TO A STATE PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STATE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ITS NAME WAS BUT IT WAS THE COOLEST STATE PARK BECAUSE IT HAD SO MANY HILLS AND VALLEYS IN AND RIVERS AND STREAMS ALL AROUND IT THEN IT BECAME LIKE HUGE BMX STRAW. AND THAT'S WHAT MADE IT SO COOL AND THAT'S WHY I BECAME A STATE PARK. LOOK AT MY MYAKKA STATE PARK. IT'S NOT JUST 60 ACRES OF. ITS IT'S GOT A HUGE NATURAL RESOURCE DRAW WEEKI WACHEE HAS A SPRINGS DRAW. STATE PARKS JUST AREN'T 60 ACRES. THEY CAN LAND. AND IF IF. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL PART OF IT BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE DEMOLISHING THE BUILDINGS. AND THAT THE WATER ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THAT. I GUESS ACQUISITION OR LAND LEASE OR OR DISCUSSION POINTS. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY TRUMP AND DOWN THE DOORS TO JUMP ON 60 ACRES I IT'S GOT TO BE KIND OF LIKE A PACKAGE DEAL WHICH BRINGS ME BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION THAT WAS MADE FOR WANT. SO AT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE JUMPING AT THIS. SO I IF THEY'RE OUT THERE PLEASE. TIME IS NOT ON OUR SIDE. AND I REALLY HOPE THAT GROUP WILL COME AND TALK TO US AND AND MAYBE PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL JUST KIND OF WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND THAT IS A WIN FOR THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY A WIN FOR THE VISITORS WIN FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND. LOOKING FOR A TRIPLE WIN HERE. VICE MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT NOT TO BE TO SOURCE TO DEATH AS A VISION PLAN. YOU KNOW. >> THERE'S MORE THERE. THE 18 ACRES THERE'S MORE THERE 62 ACRES. THERE IS A DISTRICT. THERE'S ALL THAT UNINCORPORATED AREA FROM 41 DOWN ORTIZ. IF YOU'RE DREAMING BIG. WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS WHO MIGHT WANT TO SEE A BIGGER VISION AND IT WAS. I THOUGHT I SHARED WITH ASHLEY. WHAT YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD HIGH IMPACT NATURE 60 ACRES YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH MORE THAN BASIC AMENITIES ON THE 18 YOU CAN UTILIZE ORTIZ YOU CAN BUILD CUP BEAUTIFUL CONDOMINIUMS RESORT WELLNESS CENTER'S PUT IN A MUSEUM GALLERY JUST LIKE A RAMEN YOU CAN HAVE ART COLONY THERE AND AS SCHOOL OF DESIGN AND ART. I MEAN THAT WHOLE AREA COULD BECOME AN INCREDIBLE DISTRICT. YEAH IS THAT A LITTLE MORE THAN THE CITY OF NORTH PORT BITE FROM POLICE, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PARTNERSHIPS YOU'RE LOOKING A COLLABORATION BETWEEN COUNTY LOCAL PRIVATE INTERESTS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO THINK BIG THINK REAL BIG BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PRESERVE THE 20 ACRES. NO REAL DEVELOPMENT JUST MAINTAIN THOSE SPRINGS, YOU CAN TURN THE 60 ACRES INTO A PART LIKE ENVIRONMENT THAT SO MANY MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS CAN ENJOY. YOU CAN CREATE SOME REVENUE AND YOU CAN MAKE THE FINANCIAL HIT THAT DEVELOPER WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER BY ALLOWING THEM TO BUY UP THAT LAND ALONG ORTIZ OF WHICH THERE IS A LOT AVAILABLE IN TURN TO THE ECONOMIC ENGINE AND THEN THINK OUT NICE IT WOULD BE IT SHOULD COME DOWN THAT'S ANOTHER CORRIDOR INTO THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SO I >> POSSIBILITIES ARE TRULY UNLIMITED IT'S IT IS A GREAT RESET TIME. YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS JUMPING ON AND DOING ANYTHING WITH THE 60 RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW WE CAN TOY WITH ANY IDEA I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT EMOTION IS IS APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME OF THE 60 ACRES BUT BUT I TELL YOU WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE OF THE 20 IN AND GET THE WORD OUT THERE, ANYBODY WHO SEES A MASSIVE VISION FOR THIS AREA. >> THANKS FOR BRINGING UP BRING FORTH. >> OKAY. WE TOOK OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. ALREADY ON THIS ENTIRE ITEM SO. THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> THAT AMERICA IN MAY I'M I'M I'M NOT A 100% CLEAR ON WHAT STAFF MEETINGS REGARDING. IT'S TO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US THAT. >> COMMISSIONER THERE'S ALSO SUGGESTED MOTION ON YOUR SUGGEST A MOTION WITH YEAH BUT I I WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF. >> COMMISSIONER IS ONLY YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE, I MEAN OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING KEEP WORKING ON THE EXIT ROW BRINGS BACK TO YOU. YOU CAN MAKE DECISIONS OK, THANK YOU. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR THAT. YOU WILL PRIORITIZE THE FUNDING OTHERWISE WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IT IS KEEP WORKING THROUGH PROCESS, THIS OF THE OTHERS ORDER TO BRING. >> FULLBACK YOU WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET THE LATEST THE MOTION FOR WAY PEOPLE WITH LEGACY TRAIL AND INVOLVEMENT WITH LEGACY TRAIL KNOWS THE WILL OF BOARD. WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE LEGACY TRAIL CONNECTION. AND DO YOU WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE POWERS THAT TO MAKE THAT COME TO FRUITION AND TO BRING BACK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I THINK THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD SEND A VERY STRONG MESSAGE TO ANYBODY WHO'S LISTENING. >> INSTEAD OF. >> YEAH WE'RE NOT TOO SURE. BUT. >> IF I'M HEARING WHAT THE OTHERS ARE I WILL ATTEMPT MOTION. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR MOTION I WAS RIGHT IN THE SECOND OK. IT WAS KIND OF BILLY DIDN'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY IT. THE CLERK GET OR NOT TRY TO GET IT OKAY, I MAKE A MOTION. >> TO HAVE CITY MANAGER CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS VARIOUS ENTITIES AND FOCUS GROUPS TOO. BRING BACK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON HOW TO CONNECT LEGACY TRAIL TO WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT SO WE A MOTION THAT CITY CLERK WILL RESTATE FOR US TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION OF VARIOUS ENTITIES AND FOCUS GROUPS AND TO BRING BACK INFORMATION ON CONNECTING LEGACY TRAIL TO WARMING BANKS. ALL RIGHT THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER AVERAGE GOT THAT. >> OKAY, BUT I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ON I HAD SOME SISTAS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LEGACY TRIAL. DO YOU STILL NEED DIRECTION ON THE OTHER ASPECTS AND THAT MOTION THAT WAS THERE ABOUT CONTINUING PART LOOKING FOR PARTNERS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD YOU NEED A SECOND MOTION FOR THAT MOVING FORWARD. >> I KNOW THIS IS LEGACY TRAIL THAT WE QUESTIONS THAT DISCUSSION SO IT DOESN'T GET SECONDED THAT SO I ASKED BUSH. >> BUT YEAH WE CAN VOTE AND A LOT OF KNOW IF WE NEED MORE DIRECTION TOP OF THAT. >> ALL RIGHT SO IF THERE'S NO FURTHER OR IS THAT THERE IS >> I WOULD QUESTION. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO WE WANT AMEND THIS MOTION. I MEAN DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MONEY. I REALISTICALLY WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT. CHARLES HYNES. IT IS TO PUSH CONNECTOR IS LOOKING TO BRING FOR WINNING, IT'S LOOKING FOR THE CITY-RUN 4 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FORWARD. I MEAN WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN OR AT LEAST OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHILE I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A CONNECTOR THERE IF WE'RE CONTRIBUTING THE LAND. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE ONE DIE. >> MISTER HEINZ IS INTERESTED IN GETTING THEIR LEGACY TRAIL. STARTED THE CONNECTION STARTED. NOT NECESSARILY IN THE FALLS AND WHISTLES WITH A TRAILHEAD WHICH WAS ONE IS THE PLAN AND IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF SARASOTA COUNTY THAT THE TRAILHEAD WOULD BE A WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK BECAUSE THERE'S NO INTENT PUTTING A TRAILHEAD WHERE THE CONNECTOR IS AT THIS POINT THAT'S JUST A STOPOVER BUT HE'S INTERESTED IN AT LEAST GET THAT TRAIL CONNECTION GOING. AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD IN THE FUTURE. >> HOWEVER WE WANT TO GO ABOUT THAT YOU KNOW THE KIND IT THEY GO HAND IN HAND. >> THEY HAVE TO DESIGN IT. FROM WHERE THE COUNTY HAS HAS STOPPED IT OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY I MEAN I I'M JUST REALLY ASKING THE QUESTION IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO CONTINUE TO CUT YOU KNOW MAKE ACTUAL CONTINUE THE STAR >> DO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T INVOLVE SPENDING OUR CITIZENS TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON WHETHER IT'S A TRAILHEAD WHETHER IT'S A CONNECTOR WHETHER IT'S GOT THE BATHROOMS AND CUPS AND ALL THE OTHER BILLS AND WHISTLES TO GO ALONG WITH I JUST WONDERING IF IF WE WANT FIND THAT A LITTLE BETTER SO THAT WE DON'T CUT DOWN THE PAYOFF OF NEGOTIATION. ONLY TO THEN FIND OURSELVES IT'S GOING TO COST CITY'S TAXPAYERS 2 OR 3 MILLION BECAUSE I MEAN THAT ISN'T WASN'T MY DECISION. NOR WAS IT THE UNDERSTANDING I HAD WHEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS AND MEETINGS WITH MISTER HYNES LEGACY TRAIL. WE HAVE THE LAND THEY WILL BRING IN THE MONEY. I WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THAT'S MY POSITION I WOULD NOT ADVOCATE SPENDING CITIZEN CHECKED ALL OF US ON THIS. HE'S PLAYING MONEY THEY CAN RAISE FOR DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO COME AT OUR CITIZENS PATCH OF OF OUR CITIZENS POCKETBOOKS. I KNOW THEY ASK AND WHAT YOU ALL THINK. >> AND WE HAVE THAT MOTION READ AGAIN. A CLERK, I'M SORRY. >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING VARIOUS ENTITIES AND FOCUS GROUPS SENT TO BRING BACK INFORMATION ON CONNECTING LEGACY TRAIL TO WARMING BANK SIDE SO WE'RE JUST ASKING DISCUSSION. >> AND THE CITY MANAGER BACK. >> I MEAN THE ENTITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TROLLS TIMES IN JUST THAT CUSTER PUBLICLY ADDRESS THE PUBLIC LANDS. I'M NOT SURE ANY THESE ARE INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION CURRENTLY. TO SARASOTA COUNTY ON THE IT'S NOT TO SPEND ANY MONEY. I COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> YES, BUT THE ONLY INFORMATION I WOULD NEED AT THIS POINT IS HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST AND WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR. I'M SAYING I THINK I ANYTHING NOW OKAY. I DON'T KNOW YOU WANT ME TO FLOAT ♪ AND AMENDMENT. ♪ SO THE MOTION. >> WELL THERE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. YEAH I THINK COMES BACK TO US FOR APPROVAL OF REGARDLESS. THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS BRINGING BACK INFORMATION FOR ME IT'S JUST WAY TOO LOOSELY GO SEE. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COST AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT. THAT'S THE INFORMATION BRING HIM TO THE DISCUSSION I IT WAS JUST 2 LOSING CUSTODY FOR ME. MCDOWELL. >> YEAH, THE ONLY IT IF YOU WANT TO PUT A MOTION IN THERE TO DO THE FUNDING. I THINK IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FUNDING, HEY. >> OUR CITIZENS AND OUR OUR DEVELOPERS PAY A LOT OF MONEY IN PARK IMPACT FEES TO THE COUNTY. AND MAYBE THAT'S. SO WHERE THEY CAN START LOOKING AT TO POSSIBLY OUT PAY FOR SO I JUST I THINK WE NEED INFORMATION THAT INFORMATION COULD BE FINANCING NOT HOW IT'S GOING TO LOOK WHAT IS IT A TRIAL DATE IS JUST PASSES IT IS 6 >> IT'S INFORMATION AND I HAVE HEARD TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THE CITY MANAGER OUR STAFF ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF BRINGING BACK INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US A DECISION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION SO I JUST THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE WHATEVER THAT DISCUSSION AND THEY WILL BRING IT BACK. COMMISSIONER LANGDON JUST TO BE CLEAR. >> I DON'T WANT ANY TAX PAYER MONEY TO THIS SO WHEN I ASKED WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT, I'D LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN CHIP AND THEN WHAT. AND THAT'S FINE. I MEAN WHAT IT IS I'M SURE. IT'S ALREADY A PLAN FOR THAT CONNECTOR THAT THEY THINK I'VE SEEN A PLAY FOR THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I JUST DON'T WANT STAFFED SPENDING TIME FETCHING ROCKS I WANT US TO BE SPECIFIC AND AND WHAT WE NEED TO GET AT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE MOTION. I IF IT MAKES YOU MORE COME ON AMENDMENT MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY THAT OUR >> I MOVE AND THE MOTION BY ADDING SPECIFICALLY WHAT WILL THAT CONNECTOR. LOOK LIKE. COST AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT. I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON CITY CLERK. YOU JUST REPEAT THAT FOR CLARITY. >> TO ADD SPECIFICALLY THE LOOK THE COST SHE WAS PAYING FOR IT. I PUT FUNDING RESPONSIBILITY, HAHA. >> AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL NIGHT OKAY, ON THE AMENDMENT. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. THANK YOU. AND THAT PASSES TIED TO THEIR. >> OKAY DO WE NEED TO BREAK WE ASKED WHO HE GOING TO DO WITH BUT WHEN THEY NEED MORE FOR 60 THAT THEY NEED DIRECTION FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THE CAN UP I TO IT MAYBE BOWLS. THAT RECIPE. >> YES GO AHEAD. OH, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY I WAS HERE WHY IT'S IT'S PRETTY READING WHAT LET'S FINISH THAT I WAS TALKING REALLY ASKING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO DO WE. >> WE REALLY SHIELDS IN NEED. >> INSTRUCTS SAID STAFF TO DO WITH ANYTHING REGARDING CHANGED WITH THIS POINT IN TIME. I DON'T THINK SO BUT. AND YEAH, I MEAN MAYBE THE ONLY THING BY BEING TOO. WELL. DO SOMETHING IN THE WAY OFF LETTING WORLD KNOW THAT WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS OTHER THAN THAT I MEAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE. WE COULD ASKED CITY STAFF TO DO. AT THIS TIME UNLESS I SEE >> IF YOU ALLOW US TO DO THE FIRST PHASE EXPLORATION THAT YOU. TOLD US TO DO TODAY THAT WILL ALLOW YOU HEARD YOU SAY IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA IF YOU WANT TO ORGANIZE AND BRING AND IDEA BACK PHASE 2. IT WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO DO SO SO THAT WE BRING BACK OUR MISSION THEY CONTINUE BACK INFORMATION AND THEN THAT WILL HELP GUIDE DECISION WAS WHAT TO DO IF THEY SEE WHAT WE DO NOTHING OF THESE 2 DECISION TODAY OK AND WE NEED THINGS ONE THING WE THAT. WE'RE ALL WE'VE DONE WITH SHOULD BE OKAY. OKAY. >> I FEEL OK ABOUT LAST FINAL QUESTION ANYBODY COMES TO THE CITY AND STAFF AND SAYS HEY I GOT A PLAN FOR THOSE 60 ACRES OR WE OPEN TO LISTENING TO IT. YES WE NOW. >> YEAH WE WE WOULD LISTEN WE WOULD ASK THEM WHAT THERE. THEIR IDEAS YOU KNOW THEIR VISION. YOU KNOW IT HAS TO SOMETHING THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION OR GOING TO WANT TO EXPLORE. NO WANT TO CHECK THAT, BUT KNOW SOMEONE DOES COME THEY HAVE IDEAS AND THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WHAT I'M SAYING IS. LAST YEAR WE FOR PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT WE DID NOT DO WELL IN UP IN THE EXPIRATION OF A STATE PARK OR NATIONAL PART. >> WE'RE SAYING TO THOSE PEOPLE SO AND BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION COULD ACTUALLY DO YOU THINK ABOUT AND CONSIDER AS A VIABLE OPTION FOR THE 62 ACRES. YES, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THE 2. >> I WANT I WAS 2 CITY MANAGERS POINT SOMEBODY COMES TO HIM WITH AN IDEA THAT HAS THE FUNDING SOURCE, THE IDEA THE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. HE NEEDS TO BRING IT TO AND ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS, NOT JUST HEY I'M IS IT NATURAL IT'S RAIN OR IS IT A RESORT HE NEEDS TO BRING ALL OF THEM TO US FOR US TO TO >> YEAH THAT OUT A I. OK SO HOW LONG 10 I WILL BE BACK AT 3.57. ♪ >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR HOUSE IS ♪ NOT FLOODING. WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT. >> WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS AFTER THE STORM. ♪ THAT ALLOWS THE FILTER TO GET THE STUFF THAT CAME ROOM AND THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT ♪ WHEN REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS AND ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST THAT THEIR ROADS. >> ROADWAYS OR ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP TO 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN THAT IS NOT LETTING IS DOING ITS JOB. >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL PRODUCT FACILITY MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED EVALUATIONS SO KIDS REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT ♪ >> STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR AT THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN THE BACKGROUND SLIDE. EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO MUCH DOCTOR ON ♪ SITE THAT HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM ASSESSMENT. >> STACEY LA SALLE AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD OF TIME AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT SOMEWHERE PRESENT EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS AND YOU ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION. YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON 75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO GO TO A FRIEND OR FAMILY HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND THE STORM OPTION WOULD BE GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I'VE ACCUSATION. CENTER'S 4TH OPTION WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE. >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY. THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED. >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR. AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH. BUT ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF IN THE DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER SATURATED SOILS WITH BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS THE GROUND IS TOTALLY SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO 79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS. >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64 WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED. WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN ELEVATION SYSTEM CONFIGURATION. >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS BETWEEN STRUCTURES PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR POTABLE WATER USE IN PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS. >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE 2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF THE WATERWAYS. >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES AND PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO RESPONSE AND RECOVERY MODE QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE OUT THERE. >> OH MY GOSH. >> SAYING >> A FEW WEEKS AGO RESIDENTS OF THE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. SOME ACTIVITY IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A HOME-BASED BUSINESS. I EVALUATE THE SITUATION. I COULD UNDERSTAND HER I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE WELCOME QUARTERLY. UPWARDS AT SOMETIMES IN EXCESS OF 7 DAY. BUSINESSES OPENING IN THE CITY AND MANY OF THEM ARE HOME-BASED AND. >> I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF BUSINESSES AND SMALL BUSINESS BUT. >> EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THIS DAY ABOUT BALANCE AND TRYING TO BALANCE OUT. WHAT'S APPROPRIATE NOW ATTACHED SOME PICTURES I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM. I ALSO ATTACHED TO THIS AGENDA TOPIC AND EXTRACT FROM. A STATE STATUTE REGARDING HOME DISTANCES I JUST WANT TO READ A FEW OF THE LINES HERE THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME AND THEN I'LL LOOK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO TO JUST SORT OF NET OUT WHAT SHE AS. LIMITATIONS ON US, BUT A STATE STATUTE HAS TO VERY HEAVY DEGREE LIMITED EUNICE THE PALLET TEENS AND COUNTIES AND THE STATE CAN DO SO LET ME JUST READ THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME. WE MAKE WE MAY NOT PROHIBIT WE STRECHED REGULATE OUR LICENSE AND A MANNER THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER BUSINESSES. AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS JURISDICTION EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION. BOOK. THE EMPLOYEES OF THE BUSINESS WHO WORK AT THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING MUST ALSO RESIDE AND THAT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING EXCEPT UP TO A TOTAL OF 2 EMPLOYEES OR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHO DO RESIDE MAY WORK THERE. WE'RE ALSO LIMIT FROM ADDING ANY RESTRICTIONS TO A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE RESTRICTION WE WOULD PUT ON ANY HOME. BUT A LINE AND THIS THAT GET THE HELP AND I'M MORE INTERESTED AND HEARING WHAT CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO SAY IS THAT PARKING RELATED TO THE BUSINESS ACTIVITIES OF THE HOME BASED BUSINESS COMPLY WITH LOCAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS. AND THE NEED FOR PARKING GENERATED BY THE BUSINESS MAY NOT BE GREATER AND VOLUME AND ONE WOULD NORMALLY BE EXPECTED AT A SIMILAR RESIDENTS WERE NO BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED. SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE JUST FOR CLARITY I THINK RIGHT NOW. >> RESIDENTIAL PARKING LIMITATION IN 6 VEHICLES PER PROPERTIES SO CITY MANAGER WHEN YOU COMMENT CITY ATTORNEY IN MY RIGHT ON THAT AND THEN I I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY SPECIFICATIONS. OWNER OWNS A PROPERTY NEXT TO THEIR HOME AND THAT'S BEING YEAR'S STRICTLY FOR PARKING. >> THAT. >> ALLOWED. >> I MEAN TO ME THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM A NORMAL RESIDENTS ANYWAY I WANT TO STOP CLAPPING MY JOBS AND CITY ATTORNEY AND I SEE. DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT COMING DOWN TO. EXACTLY. HOW ARE WE LIMITED. WHAT WHAT WIGGLE DO WE HAVE HERE. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER FIRST I WANT TO SAY CANNOT SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. AND THAT IS PHOTOGRAPHED AND ATTACHED TO THE BACKUP, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS PERMITTED AND HOW IT CAME TO BE THAT THERE'S PARKING LOT BUILT NEXT DOOR TO I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY YOU KNOW THE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO DO ANY ENFORCEMENT FOR PARKING WOULD BE THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE LEAVING OFFICE OR SO I CAN SPEAK TO MAKE SURE AND PLACE THAT DISCLAIMER. YOU HAVE EXTRACTED SOME OF THE KEY PROVISIONS FROM THE STATE STATUTE AS PROBABLY MOST OF YOU ON THE BOARD ARE AWARE AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT OUR PUBLIC THAT USED TO BE VERY COMMONPLACE FOR CITIES TOO TRY TO REGULATE HOME BUSINESSES TO SOME EXTENT SO YOU ESPECIALLY DID NOT HAVE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC AND PARKING IMPACT AND WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE YOU BUY YOUR HOUSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU DON'T EXPECT TO BE LIVING NEXT DOOR TO YOU RESIDENTS THAT HAS A LOT OF COMING AND GOING IN A BUSINESS CONTEXT VERSUS RESIDENTIAL OR TO HAVE 10 OR SO VEHICLES PARKED ANY ONE TIME EXCEPT FOR MAYBE YOU KNOW IN PARTY ON SUPER BOWL SUNDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE SO YOU KNOW I I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR SPECIFIC PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE MAY APPLY IN DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT I TODAY SO I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HAND. >> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF THE. >> THE COMMISSION HAS CONCERNS. YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE PROVISIONS TO SCENE. >> YOU KNOW WHERE OR IF WE MAY WANT TO CHANGE SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL PARKING REGULATIONS IN GENERAL KNOWING THAT THEY WILL IMPACT YOUR TYPICAL RESIDENCES WHERE THERE IS NO BUSINESS AS WELL AS RESIDENCES WHERE THERE ARE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES. >> AS THE STATUE POINTS OUT I'M LIKE WHAT USED TO BE COMMONPLACE. WE CANNOT IDENTIFY TARGET HOME-BASED BUSINESSES FOR CERTAIN REGULATIONS. BUT IF YOU FIND I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT MYSTERY WILL SAY THAT IT'S ACCURATE THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PARK 6 VEHICLES RESIDENTIAL HOME IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE YOU KNOW THESE PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICTS. AND YOU FIND THAT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR YOUR TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD. AND THAT'S A REGULATION MAY WANT TO REVISIT IN REDUCED AND IT WOULD HAVE THE IMPACT ALSO ON HOME-BASED BUSINESSES BUT IT WOULD HAVE SEEN IMPACT ON HOMEOWNER, EVEN THOSE WHO ARE NOT OPERATING BUSINESSES SO I HOPE THAT'S RESPONSIVE AND HELP ON YOUR AND IF IT'S NOT BE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS I'LL BE TO KNOW THAT REALLY HELPFUL IF IT'S OK WITH THEM I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN AND WHAT DIRECTOR RAY HAS TO SAY ON YEAH. >> SURE. >> WELL AFTER THANK YOU. >> SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS >> I WILL SAY RIGHT RIGHT UP THAT AT THE TIME THAT THIS. PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN THE PROPERTY WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE TALK WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND WORK WITH THEM AND WHEN >> VISITED THE PROPERTY THEY WERE THEN IN COMPLIANCE AFTER THAT. IT IS ALSO A COMBINED LOT. SO THIS PROPERTY HAS OVER 20,000 SQUARE. THE A LOT LOT OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET OUR CODE ALLOWS 8 VEHICLES TO BE PART. CITY ATTORNEY SAYING WE CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN VEHICLES THAT MAY BE USED FOR THE BUSINESS AND THOSE THAT MAY USED PERSONAL. WE ALLOW RESIDENTS TOLD PROPERTY IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS 20,000 SQUARE FEET TO HAVE A VEHICLES. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IT'S 8. PLAME MINIVANS OR 8 MANY BANDS THAT HAVE THE NAME OF THE COMPANY ON THE SIDE OF THEM. WE ALLOW THAT FOR EVERYONE AND I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE A LOT RESIDENTS WHO DO HAVE A LOT OF BOAT, THEY'LL HAVE MAYBE A TRAILER OF ALL HAVE MULTIPLE CARS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE. WITH MULTI GENERATIONS LIVING IN HOUSEHOLDS, SO WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE A LOT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT ARE YOUR BASIC QUARTER ACRE SIZE ANYTHING LESS THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET. LAST 6 PER LOT. AGAIN IF THEY HAVE A LOT NEXT DOOR AND IT DOES NOT COME BY THERE IS NO USE ALLOWED ABOUT LOT UNTIL THEY COMBINE IT SO WE HAVE SEEN A LOT LOT COMBINATIONS. FOR THIS REASON SPECIFICALLY WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT COMBINE LOTS AND THEY CAN BUILD ANOTHER GARAGE OR A ONE-TIME THING THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD A GARAGE, A FAKE. IF THEY JOIN OR WANTS TO GET ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD A GARAGE FOR HOPPED FOR CARS TO GO IN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVING CHOIR MONTHS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO PARK IN THEIR GARAGE. WE WE DON'T HAVE ANY USE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT THE NOW ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE STATE STATUTE DOES SAY THAT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES HAVE TO THIS BECAUSE USING THE BUSINESS AFTER BEING PARKED ON AN IMPROVED SO THIS PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER. THEY ORIGINALLY WERE PARKING IN THE GRASS. WE SAID NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOUR VEHICLE'S IT THOSE VEHICLES USED FOR BUSINESS THEY HAVE TO BE PARKED ON SURFACE AND THEY DID PUT DOWN. A PAT FOR THOSE VEHICLES. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE WITH THE PARKING REGULATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPTED LAST LATE LAST YEAR. WE HAVE WORKED TO GET EDUCATION WE PAID FIRE TOGETHER AND. TAKING THOSE FIRES EVERY TIME WE SEE YOU KNOW VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED IN AND NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCE RELIEVING THOSE FLYERS AT THEIR HOME. WITH A COURTESY NOTICE THAT YOU KNOW THIS THESE ARE THE NEW REGULATIONS. AND THEN WE GO BACK AND INSPECT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY SENT OUT ANY SO WE ARE WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED GOING TO PUSH BACK ON THAT ORDINANCE. BUT THAT IS EVEN WITH THE 6. THE INCOME LIMIT ON SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS WE STILL RECEIVE A LOT PUSHBACK ON THAT AS WELL. WE DON'T DIFFERENTIATE WHETHER THOSE BUSINESS RELATED OR WHETHER THE PERSON REALLY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT I'M GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED AND WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO I'LL SIMPLY BEFORE I YIELD THE FLOOR SAY THAT. I'M PRETTY SURE AT THIS LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT WHAT OUR LEGISLATORS HAD IN MIND AS A PROVING BUT BUT HERE WE ARE. >> THE SECOND IS ANY. >> REGULATION ARE RESTRICTION OR LIMITATION WE PLACE ON THIS. >> HAS TO APPLY TO EVERY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE HERE IN THE CITY. >> SO IF WE RESTRICT FOR VEHICLES PER. >> WHATEVER ACRE SQUARE FOOT. >> WHY NOT I'M RELUCTANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW TODAY'S ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE FAMILIES COMBINED WE HAVE PEOPLE COUCH SURFING AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT RESTRICTOR MAKE LIFE BUT THOSE FOLKS ANYMORE. DIFFICULT AND IT ALREADY IS. BUT HAVING SAID I I HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WOULD AGREE THAT THIS IS JUST A A LEVEL OF ACTIVITY THAT IN MY MIND ANYWAY GOES BEYOND WHAT ONE WOULD EXPECT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW THAT WAS ON PRICE GIVEN WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH PRICE I I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT IT. BUT I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED IN WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY I I HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS FIRST. I'M VICE MAYOR. >> YEAH I MEAN YOU KNOW, I MEAN >> WE'VE BECOME FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE WITH REGARD TO REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE THEY CAN PARK THEIR VEHICLES ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY AND PARKING AND THE CAMP ON THE GRASS, YOU KNOW AND HERE. >> IT SEEMS LIKE WITHIN REASON IT CERTAINLY PEERS ARE MORE THAN A CHANT GOALS IN THAT PICTURE BUT ASSUMING THERE WERE EVEN JUST 8. >> THE FACT THAT LEGALLY. A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER WHO ONCE HOME-BASED BUSINESS CAN'T HAVE A VEHICLE SLIKE THAT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND YET WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE MULTIGENERATIONAL OCCUPANTS AND CAN PARK THEIR OWN RESIDENTIAL VEHICLES SEEMS TO BE TO BE A DISCONNECT HOW WAS THIS LITTLE WORK AND I MEAN THIS CAN'T BE DOING ANYTHING BUT CREATE SOME BRAIN DAMAGE. SOME GUYS. >> IN TERMS OF COMPLAINTS, LET TO ANY SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY OWNER WITH THIS. REMEMBER THIS THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE THEY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE THERE WERE TOO MANY VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY EVEN UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE ANY SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY WITH THIS TYPE WITH THIS SIZE LOT CAN PARK 8 VEHICLES REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND THEY ARE WITH THEIR BUSINESS OR PERSONAL. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS AND THEY GOT MULTI GENERATION. THEY CAN SO HAVE 8 VEHICLES JUST LIKE THIS PROPERTY SO WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THAT UNDERSTAND >> I GUESS MY MY CONCERN IS THAT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS OBVIOUSLY IMPROVE. THE CURB APPEAL OF OUR CITY I GET THAT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE AN ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER OF HOME-BASED BUSINESSES MOVING INTO OUR CITY ALL OPERATE OUT OF THEIR HOMES. IT MAY SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE COMPUTER THAT HOLE BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT PLUMBERS ELECTRICIANS YOU NAME IT THEY'VE GOT VEHICLES THAT GOT PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME WELL I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IF I WANT TO CROSS THE STREET FROM THEM. >> I MEAN UNLESS FREE PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL WORK PROBABLY BE A BIT CONCERNED SO I GET THAT BUT THEN I LOOK AT. >> IN CONSISTENCIES. >> THE OTHER ASPECT OF PARKING WITHIN OUR CITY AND AND I GET IT, IT'S NOT 20,000 SQUARE IF I'VE GOT A QUARTER ACRE ACRE LOT AND I'M LIMITED TO 6 PEOPLE'S BUT YOU KNOW HERE WE ARE FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN THEY LOOK AT THE SNAKE JUST A DISCONNECT YOU LET THIS HAPPEN, BUT BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN'T PARK ON MY LAWN AND I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION WITH OUR NEW ULDC REWRITE. THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE AND YOU KNOW WE GO WE MADE A MISTAKE HERE. WE NEED REVISIT THIS WHOLE PARKING ISSUE BECAUSE I I YOU KNOW A LOT COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE. >> HOPE SO COMMISSIONERS SO WE WE THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE OTHER ARE PARKED NEXT SO WE WE HEAR THE COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET THAT THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE. >> 6 VEHICLES AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO PARK ANY OF THEM ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY PUT THEM ALL IN U.S.. SO THERE'S THERE'S 2 SIDES TO YOU HAVE COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY IT'S MY SHE DO WHATEVER I WANT TO NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THAT THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT THEY THE CITY YOU KNOW HAS DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BUT. SO SO WE. AS FAR STAFF WE HEAR MORE FROM THE PEOPLE WHO UPSET WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS PARKING ALL OVER THE GRASS SO SO BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT THIS >> WITH THIS AND YOU CAN I WOULD THINK FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT, IT IS IT IS I THINK WE DID MOBILE FOR JUST LIKE IT IS FOR ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS THAT DO THE SAME THING SO KNOW WE WERE JUST USED TO IT WE HANDLE IT, I'M ALL ABOUT HABER ENGINE ACTIONS. SOME OF NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS. >> THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS A MORE STRICT THAN OURS. AND THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS FRANCE AND CHARLOTTE COUNTY THERE ARE A LITTLE LESS STRICT SO IT'S SORT OF A MIXED BAG OUT THERE BUT. THE MOST PART. WE'RE GETTING VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE ON THE PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WAS PUT INTO EFFECT IN OCTOBER. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO SIMPLY WITH EDUCATION THAT WORK TRYING TO DO WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THE COMPLAINTS DOWN ON FACEBOOK ANYWHERE ELSE YOU THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DEAL WITH. BUT I WILL SAY THAT. STATE LEGISLATURE HAS MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. FOR US TO. IN IRVING. ISSUES LIKE THIS OTHER THAN THE NET YOU'VE GOT TOO MANY VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. AS LONG AS THEY'RE PARKED CORRECTLY. >> AND THEY. >> DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 2 EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORKING AT. THE PROPERTY WHICH. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO ENFORCE THAT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS TOLD WE CANNOT CONTROL. THAT MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO TO HANDLE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. SOME OF ITS OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE TENDS TO USE A LOT OF SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE. >> AND WE BUILD IN TO WHERE YOU WILL DO WE HAVE LEGAL RIGHT TO TO REQUIRE BUFFERS OR OR SHOULD SING OR LANDSCAPING. >> SO WE DO SURE ABSOLUTELY AND WE DO LARGER VEHICLES LIKE OUR ARBY'S THINGS LIKE THAT WE'VE GOT SOME NEW REGULATIONS RELATED TO BUFFERS. >> THE COMMISSION COULD. >> COURSE ENACT SOMETHING THAT IF YOU HAVE. FOR INSTANCE, A SEPARATE LOT OR JOINED LOT AND YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF VEHICLE IN YOUR EXCESS OF A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VEHICLES YOU HAVE TO FOR THOSE VEHICLES YOU HAVE TO PUT A FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY OR SOMETHING BUT THERE ARE THOSE TYPES OF VISUAL BUFFER REGULATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION ADOPT. BEARING IN MIND EVERYTHING WE DO MAY HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SO WE WANT TO CAREFULLY AT WHAT THAT MIGHT >> WE ALSO HAVE TO BE. >> AND AND. WE HAVE TO BE CERTAIN THAT WE APPLY ANY REGULATIONS. CONSISTENTLY WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS RESIDENCE BECAUSE WE CANNOT AS CITY ATTORNEY'S PLANE WE CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTED TO THE BUSINESS. AND THERE'S EVEN A PROVISION OF THIS LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT WE CAN BE CHALLENGED AND WE CAN BE SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY FEES AND THAT THE THING IF A BUSINESS IS BASED ON A REGULATION DOT SO. WE DO HAVE TO CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE APPLY IT CONSISTENTLY AND ONE OTHER OPTION THAN SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY LEGISLATION IS THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE THE PARKING OR STORAGE. >> AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT BUSINESS WHICH IS VISIBLE MUST BRING THAT. >> I REALLY DO THAT AS WELL WE DO REQUIRE WE RESTRICT THE USE OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON LOTS WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THAT WE ALSO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUFFERING FOR CERTAIN VEHICLES. >> OKAY ALL RIGHT MUCH. >> I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE AND YOU HAVE THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT. NOW THAT HOUSES ALLOWED 6 CARS CORRECT. >> SO THAT IS A COMBINED LOT. SO THAT'S IT'S ONE LOT ITS 20,000 SQUARE OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET THEY ARE A LOT 8 VEHICLES BASED ON THE OTC ARE THAT SO THE 6 PLUS 2 BY HAVING THAT EXTRA LOT. >> THE THING HERE THAT GETS ME. AS YOU SAID THEY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE TO BEGIN. THAT NIGHT BECAME UNDER COMPLIANCE WANT ADD THIS PARKING AREA AND STOP SO IT'S AN IMPROVED SERVICE. >> SO THEY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE OF THIS PHOTO BECAUSE THEY HAD TOO MANY VIETNAM UNDERSTAND THAT BUT BUT STILL. >> THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY TO STAY WITHIN COMPLIANCE THEY HAVE THE IMPROVE SERVICE FOR EXTRA PARKING THEY'VE DONE THIS AT OTHER. NOW TO GO BACK TO THIS HOMEOWNER. WOULD BE LIKE OH YOU KNOW YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED BUT NO NO YOU CAN'T DO IT. JUST TO ME IS NOT PROP AND ESPECIALLY IT IS COMPLIANCE. AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO DO SO AND THE SAYS YES YOU ARE WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS. SO I SEE NO WITH THIS. AS LONG AS OUR OTHER COMPLIANCE. >> AND AS LONG AS THEY KEEP THAT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES AND THEIR PARKING. IN ON THE IMPROVED SURFACE AND THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE. >> THAT'S ALL THANK YOU MATT OK I JUST SAID >> THE BACKUP MATERIAL, IT'S A PARAGRAPH SAY IT SAYS IS HUGE FROM THE STREET THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS CONSISTENT WITH THE USES OF. RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT SURROUND TRUMP PRETTY GOOD CATCH. I AND I AM YES I'M NOT ATTORNEY BUT I I INTERPRET THAT AS MEANING IT RESIDENTIAL. HOUSES AND OUR RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AND HOW HOW IS THIS CONSISTENT. THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT SURROUND. >> PROPERTY MAYOR I I THINK YOU RAISE A GOOD QUESTION. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STATUTE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT SUBSECTION 3 AND SUBSECTION 3 SAYS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS BUSINESS IS CONSIDERED A HOME-BASED BUSINESS. IF IT MEETS THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA. AND THEN IT SETS FORTH SEVERAL CRITERIA AND SUBSECTIONS A TRUE S. AND YOU'VE REFERENCED SUBSECTION C RIGHT RIGHT, I AGAIN I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY BUT I CAN SPEAK TO PATHETICALLY I MEAN IS THIS DOES THIS MEET THE DEFINITION OF THE STATUTE OF A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT HAS THESE PROTECTIONS. IT MAY NOT AS A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED YOU KNOW. THEY CAN ONLY HAVE TO AND THEY CAN ONLY HAVE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE WORKING PLUS 2 EMPLOYEES. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WHEN IT COMES TO ENFORCEMENT SO LET'S THAT WE LOOK AT THAT AND GO THEY'RE LIKE 8 MARKED VEHICLES HERE FOR THE BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, I MEAN I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE 6. YOU KNOW PEOPLE DRIVING AGE LIVING AT THIS HOUSE AND THEN HAVE 2 OTHER PEOPLE BUT YOU KNOW COMMON SENSE MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. AND WE WANT TO ENFORCE THAT WHEN THE CITY GOES 2 CITY ISSUED A CITATION AND THAT'S BEFORE THE HEARING OFFICER. THE CITY BEARS THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO SHOW. YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS THIS IS MORE THAN JUST THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE PLUS 2 EMPLOYEES. HOW DO WE PROVE THAT. HOW DO WE PROVE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE AND HOW DO WE PROVE IT WHERE THEY LIVE, YOU KNOW FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE DICE AND THIS COMES IN AND TRYING TO ENFORCE THE STATUTE AS IT'S WRITTEN. SO WHEN YOU'RE READING SUBSECTION C. >> YOU KNOW I THINK ILLEGAL OCCASION WOULD YOU FROM THE STREET. ITS USE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE RESIDENTIAL USE. THEN THE CITY'S ARGUMENTS GOING TO BE THIS IS NOT A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT HAS PROTECTION OF THE STATUTE AND WE CAN YOU KNOW SITE TAKE SOME TIME FOR THE HEARING OFFICER. YOU KNOW IN SOME OTHER WAY. AND THAT'S A POSSIBILITY BUT THAT THERE IS ALSO SOME SUBJECTIVITY BUILT IN THERE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE DISCRETION. THE DECISION MAKER WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE HEARING OFFICER. AND OF COURSE HIS DECISIONS ARE APPEAL THE COURT SYSTEM. SO THAT'S A BASE TO US, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT NECESSARILY >> AND THAT AND I CAN ADD ON TO THAT OF SUPPLY SOME CONTEXT TO DEMONSTRATE HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS TO GET TO THAT ENFORCEMENT LEVEL. THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS THEY DO NOT HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR LOCATION THEY DO OPERATE OUT OF THEIR HOME. THEY DO HAVE A COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES I THAT ONE EMPLOYEE COMES TO THAT HOME TODAY, HOWEVER, THE REST OF THEM ARE REMOTE EMPLOYEES. WE WERE DROPPED OFF THERE. PICK UP THEIR VEHICLE AND REALLY THE VEHICLES ARE SIMPLY PART WHEN NOT WORKING. THAT IS ONE OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE. AND LET'S SAY THEY DIDN'T HOW DO WE PERU. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INSIDE THAT HOUSE ALL THAT EVERY HOW MANY HOW DO HOW DO WE TAKE 2. HEARING MAGISTRATE. THE TYPE EVIDENCE CONSIDERING THE BURDEN IS ON THE CITY. WHAT KIND EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE TO TAKE TO A HEARING MAGISTRATE. 2. TO HAPPEN. >> WHAT IS BEHIND THAT PROPERTY AND SO TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT WOULD BE UPHELD SO THAT WOULD BE EVIDENCE THAT ARE OUR WITNESSES CAN OBSERVE WITHOUT ENTERING THE PROPERTY ITSELF BECAUSE UNDER THE 4TH AMENDMENT WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD WHAT WE CAN ASCERTAIN FROM YOU KNOW PUBLIC RECORDS. YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE THIS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FUND PUBLIC RECORDS WHO WORKS THERE AND WHO DOESN'T YOU CAN FIND RECORD AS HE WAS ORGANIZED SUNDAY AS REGISTERED A IF THEY HAVE A CORPORATE ENTITY FORMED WOULD MEAN THAT WOULD BE PRACTICES BUT THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE CASE SO. IT IS DIFFICULT WITH THE CITY TO BEAR THAT BURDEN OF PROOF BUT NOT REALLY HAVE YOU KNOW FULL ACCESS THE INFORMATION. NOW WE DO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS SUBPOENA POWER WHICH DO NOT TYPICALLY USE. AND YOU CAN PUT SOMEONE ON THE STAND UNDER OATH. YOU KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY UNTIL THAT HAPPENS IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE A REAL CIVIL TRIAL OR REAL CRIMINAL TRIAL SO IT'S IT'S SORT OF LIMITED AND. THINK WITH A LOT OF LEGISLATION IT'S IT'S WRITTEN WITH ONE INTENT AND ONE MEANING THAT IT'S WRITTEN QUICKLY AND AS WE YOU KNOW TAKE THAT LEGISLATION AFTER ITS ADOPTED AND START TO REALLY TRY TO USE IT AND WORK WITH IT. WE FIND WHERE THE DIFFICULTIES ARE. WE CAN CHANGE I MEAN AT LEAST WITH WITH OUR CITY CODES IN OUR CITY POLICIES WERE REALLY SEE WHERE THE DIFFICULTIES ARE YOU'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO MODIFY THOSE AND SAY HEY THIS NOT LOOKING FOR A STUDENT. THE STATUTE WORST WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT WE AND AGAIN APPLY YOU KNOW RESTRICTING IT THROUGH OUR CITY WE HAVE TO TAKE >> BEING RESTRICTIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO DON'T HAVE HOME BASED BUSINESSES IN ORDER IT EVERYBODY SUFFERS FROM A FEW ESSENTIAL. >> SAID TO THE QUESTIONS AND KIND OF RELATED THIS IS A DOUBLE LOT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SURFACES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS. >> BUT WHAT IS THAT. >> IMPROVED SIR, YES, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING THAT YOU KNOW THE ENTIRE QUARTER ACRE. >> NOT BE. >> AND PERMEABLE SURFACE OR DO WE HAVE NOT KNOW ANYTHING WE SAY THAT VEHICLES MUST BE PARKED ON AN IMPROVED SERVICE AND THEN WE GIVE EXAMPLES OF THAT SHOW GRAVEL CONCRETE ASPHALT PAVERS FIXES IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS ENTIRELY SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOWER RIGHT. YES, I BELIEVE THAT SHELL OKAY THAT'S WHAT WE SAW THAT'S THAT AND OTHER THING IS WHERE IS THIS WELL. >> AND HERE I DON'T SEE THIS WELL ON THAT SIDE. >> SO IN ORDER TO PUT THESE DOWN THEY DID GET PERMIT THEY GOT RIGHT OBLIQUE PERMITS. AND THEY PUT UNDERSTANDING ERRANDS. >> UNDERGROUND THEY RAN A CALL CROWN FOR THE WHOLE THAT. >> OK THAT'S IT FOR COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, >> YOU KNOW I I FEEL FOR THE NEIGHBORS THAT SURROUNDED THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL I REALLY DO BECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND 5 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING LOOKS LIKE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT SAFETY IS ALWAYS CONCERN OF MINE AND YOU KNOW IF THEY WANT TO BACK OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY OR IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A SUPER BOWL PARTY, YOU KNOW THEY THEY'RE BEING SO THAT IS A CONCERN. BASED ON THIS PICTURE I I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT ARE THEY IN COMPLIANCE WHERE THEY'RE NOT PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF THEY'RE NOT PARKING ON THE STREET WHILE THEY'RE YOU KNOW JACKING VEHICLES AROUND TO START THEIR DAY SO THAT THE STREET IS NOT LOCKED HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT SO THE THIS PICTURE IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE I UNDERSTAND, WHEN. >> NOW WE'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE CERTAINLY AT THAT 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AS WE DO SPECTER'S SUPPORT THAT EARLY BUT WHEN WE HAVE BEEN BY WE'VE BEEN BY ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, NOT JUST A COUPLE TIMES WE'VE EVEN BEEN BY THE EVENING. OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT MANAGER HAS DRIVEN BY WEEKEND TRIP AND BY EVENING. ON HIS OWN PERSONAL TIME TOO. SEE WHAT YOU CAN SEE. EVERY TIME THAT HE'S BEEN BY THEY HAVE BEEN IN COMPLIANCE. WE MEANING THAT THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY NOW THEY CAN PARK ON THEIR DRIVE WAY SO THAT IT BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE GRASS THE NOT PARKING LOT OF WEATHER ARE IN THE STREET OR THEY'RE PART WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE NOW. WE HAVE NOT BEEN BY WHEN. >> THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE SENSE. THIS HAS THAN DONE. BUT AS I SAID WE'RE NOT THERE ALL THE TIME. WE CAN'T BE THERE ALL THE TIME AND WAS ONE OF OUR LIMITATIONS IS THAT WE HAVE TO SEEN THESE VIOLATIONS EXCEED THESE VIOLATIONS. SO I I'D SAY IF THEN BY LESS THAN HALF A DOZEN TIMES. I MEAN I THINK IT'S BEEN MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN TIMES THAT WE'VE BEEN BY RECENTLY. >> THERE IS A PROVISION IN THIS CODE THAT STARTED TO GET READ OUT LOUD AND STOPPED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE THE PARKING OF STORAGE IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT AT THE BUSINESS WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET IN NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHERE THEY STOPPED AND STAFF SAID THAT YES WE REGULATE THAT. BUT IT GOES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARAGRAPH THE TERM HEAVY EQUIPMENT MEANS COMMERCIAL. INDUSTRIAL OR AGRICULTURAL VEHICLES EQUIPMENT AND MACHINERY. SO CAN WE POSSIBLY REGULATE. THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE. INDIVIDUAL PRIVATELY OWNED LOT TO LET'S SAY 3 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES SLASH EQUIPMENT. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL UNDER THE STATUTE, I LOOKED IN THE OTHER DEFINITIONS. THERE'S NO DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL. YOU KNOW VEHICLE OR COMMERCIAL HERE SO WE HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DEFINITION OF MIGHT APPLY I AGREE FROM JUST KIND OF A LAY PERSON'S THE POINT I WOULD CONSIDER THIS TO BE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO YOU KNOW RESEARCH AND CONFIRM THAT THAT'S WE TREAT IT AND WE DO HAVE A DEFINITION FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES I BELIEVE IN AN OUTCOME WHICH WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO BE CHANGED BECAUSE IT GIVES MORE WEIGHT LIMITS RATHER >> THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE RATTEN BAN IT BEING SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S SIGNAGE ON. >> YEAH AND YOU WANT TO EVALUATE ITS ITS DIRECTORY EARLIER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES RIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT A BUSINESS AND KNOW THEY THEY DRIVE WORK FROM HOME AT NIGHT AND IT'S IT HAS THE DETAILS YOU KNOW IS SOMETIMES NUANCES REQUIRE A WELL. >> I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS THAT RIGHT ORDINANCES DO SAY NO MORE THAN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT REGULATING. HOWEVER THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WE DO HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE. RIO FOR MARCH COMMERCIAL VEHICLES BASED THEIR PICKUPS WITH A SIGN ON THE SIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PARKED IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS JUST LIKE THEIR NEIGHBORS DO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS AND SIGN ON THERE. >> THERE BEING COURSE THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOME MANY HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT 3 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES RIGHTS FREEDOM. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL YOU KNOW. >> MY HUSBAND'S TRUCK ADVERTISING WE HAVE FIXED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE 3 OF 4 OR 6 IN THE SAME DRIVEWAY BECAUSE HE'S THE ONLY ONE USING RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAD OTHERS. >> MAYBE THE. >> THE POINT FIXED. BECAUSE THESE ARE PERMANENTLY AFFIXED I DON'T KNOW I JUST GRASPING STRAWS BECAUSE. WHAT HAPPENS IS. THIS GETS OUT THAT THIS IS DONE AND THIS IS PERMITTED. >> NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER AND ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE IT. I I HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE A WAY >> NAVIGATE THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE THE STATE STATUTE DOES GIVE US OUT BY SAYING HEAVY INPUT. CITY ATTORNEYS ALWAYS TAUGHT ME CONTINUE READING AS HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND I IMMEDIATELY THINK A CRANE OR OR YOU KNOW AND THAT'S A WASTE ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT THIS IS SAYING ITS COMMERCIAL. ♪ SO ♪ HOW DOES HAVE A. PROVISION FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND IT'S BASED ON WEIGHT. >> HOW MANY PASSENGERS, IT'S. DESIGNED TO CARRY >> IT'S TRANSIT THINGS YEAH SOMEONE TO SAY IN THERE. IT'S SOMETHING DID NOT STARTED FROM THE STATUTE FLORIDA STATUTE AS DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, BUT. WE WOULD HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH PERMANENTLY AFFIXED SIGNS. SURE ANYTHING THAT HAS WORKED SIGN AND I MY. >> MY ANTENNA STARTS GOING UP ANYWAY. BUT THAT I I SO HE'S BEEN US. MAXIMUM NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE PARKED ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT. >> THEY DEFINE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ANY VEHICLE THAT I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT. >> IF THE VEHICLE IDENTIFIABLE AS SOMETHING THAT'S USED IN THE BUSINESS ARE COMMERCIAL PURPOSES SO. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD HAVE TO REDEFINE LOOK AT OUR CODES TO SEE WHAT DEFINITIONS NEED TO BE CHANGED. AND WE MAY NEED WANT MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE WORDING SO THAT IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH COMMERCIAL VEHICLE. >> DEFINITIONS IN STATUTE I AGREE WITH THAT AND THE PERMANENTLY AFFIXED UNFORTUNATELY WOULD NOT WOULD NOT WORK BECAUSE BEARING THE BURDEN OF PROOF. >> HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHETHER SOMETHING IS A DECAL OR A MAGNET FOR ONE AT STICK VERSUS PERMANENT WITHOUT ACCESSING THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION, IT'S SCRATCHING ON EDGE OF THIS TO TAKE THIS ONE STEP FURTHER, I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION SO I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. WELL A FOCUS ON AND WORK WITH OUR STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SEE ABOUT MENDING IT. THEY MAY NOT BE AWARE. THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THIS HAS AND I PICTURES ARE WORTH 1000 WORDS THAT THEY CAN GET YOU ALL CAN SHARE WITH OUR STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS HOWEVER THEY WILL BE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHERE THE STATE MUDDIES THE WATERS FOR US LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AND THINKS KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR CITIES. I JUST MAYBE WE CAN YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIONS GOING TO LOOK BUT MAYBE WE CAN HAS STAFF TO REVIEW STATE STATUTE TO THE PART I SAID HEAVY EQUIPMENT NEEDS COMMERCIAL. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LINE YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMISSIONER MC DOWELL AND I LIKE THAT ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT BE TELL ME IF I'M KILTER BUT TO GET THE BUSINESS ASPECT IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> HOMEOWNER. >> WHOSE STORING OR PARKING, MULTIPLE VEHICLES ABOUT. 2 AND TAKE SOME THAT. AND THEY'RE USING A RESIDENTIAL LAUNCH WHETHER ITS ADJACENT OR NOT TO THEIR HOME. IF THE PURPOSE ARE THEY USE OF THAT LOT IS THE STORAGE OF VEHICLES PUT A NUMBER ON THAT AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO I THE GARAGE OR FOUND SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT OFFERS. BUT I WHEN I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS SITE FEW TREES ISN'T GOING DO IT. NO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE. >> AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE IS A HOUSE AND THEN THEY HAVE A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AND THERE'S VEHICLES AND THOSE SHIPMENTS OFFENSE TO I DON'T WANT FENCES. BUT CERTAINLY WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT IT'S MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO A RESIDENTIAL USE. AND IT IS A BUSINESS YOU SO I'M WONDERING IF WE MIGHT EXPLORE ADDING SOME REGULATIONS REGARDING THE USE RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR STORAGE PURPOSES. PARKING INDOOR STORAGE PURPOSES. >> THAT WOULD LIKELY RUN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A REGULATORY APPROACH WHAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE DOING IS SAYING ANYTHING OVER X NUMBER OF VEHICLES ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT MUST BE GARAGE TO A FULLY ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. AGAIN WEARING. THAT MEANS THAT SAY IF YOU IF YOU SAID THAT NUMBER IT'S AND 4. ANYTHING OVER 4 HAS TO BE IN A GARAGE. THAT HAS TO APPLY TO ALL RESIDENTIAL. PROPERTIES WHICH MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLEAN THE GARAGE IS OUT OR THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD GARAGES ON SINGLE-FAMILY QUARTER ACRE LOTS THEY WILL NOT HAVE ROOM TO BUILD ADDITIONAL. >> STRUCTURED I'M WONDERING SPECIFICALLY IF THE USE OF THE RESIDENTIAL LOT IS EXCLUSIVELY PARKING AND STORAGE. SO IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO >> WE CAN'T TREAT PART OF THE LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN DEPOSITS COME BY WHEN THE LOTS COMBINED IT'S ONE LOT AND WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T LET IT USE HALF OF YOU ARE LOT RENT. 4 O. THE SAME THING YOU COULD USE ON THE OTHER REST IT'S THE SAME LOT. IT IS THE LOTS ARE. OUR COMBINED THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT BUT IT'S VERY EASY TO COMBINE A LOT AND SO MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY HEAR YOU NEED TO COMBINE A LOT THEY GO TO THE COUNTY AND THEY GET IT DONE. SO I THINK IT'S THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THOUGH ANY REGULATIONS THAT WE TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT MORE PEOPLE THAT. ARE RUNNING A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOME AND. AND UTILIZING THEIR PROPERTIES LIKE THIS. I THINK THAT THE EASIEST APPROACH. PROBABLY WHAT. CITY OF VENICE DID. LIMITING THE NUMBER OF. VEHICLES ON A PROPERTY THAT ARE UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS. THAT'S THAT'S AN EASIER. EASIER THING TO DO. WE DO HAVE BUFFERING WE COULD REQUIRE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FOR OVER CERTAIN NUMBER OF VEHICLES AREN'T IF YOU. THERE THERE ARE SOME OTHER APPROACHES BUT NONE OF IT'S GOING TO BE EASY. THERE WILL BE SOME ISSUES SUBJECTIVITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OVER AND EQUAL APPLICATION AND THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR ALL OF THOSE RESIDENTS OUT THERE WHO HAVE. 4 TEENAGE KIDS THEY'VE ALL GOT CARS, THE HUSBANDS GOT A BUSINESS TRUCK GET YOU KNOW, GOT A TRAILER THAT. GOES WITH THE BUSINESS TRUCK THAT GOT A BOAT AND YOU KNOW THE WHY SCOTT CARD'S IT'S GOING TO GET IT WILL GET MESSY VERY QUICKLY AS FAR AS TRYING TO APPLY IT EQUALLY. EVERYTHING ELSE I I COULD MAKE A MOTION WHEN THAT RED YOU KNOW WHAT. TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE. HOW MANY VEHICLE SAY CAN PARK ON THEIR PROPERTY. FLIPPING RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. >> REALLY START GET INTO THE AREA PROPERTY RIGHTS AND TO ME THIS WHOLE ISSUE WAS AN ISSUE BECAUSE SO. NEIGHBORS. A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. SO TO ME. APPROACH TO TAKE WOULDN'T BE TO TRY TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PICTURE HERE WE ARE A CITY. AND OVER. >> 7575, NEW BUSINESSES LAST QUARTER AND PAST QUARTER, ANOTHER 71. PROBABLY 75% OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES. WHAT MESSAGE DO WE SEND POLICE PEOPLE LIKE DON'T MOVE THE PORT CHARLOTTE THEM WITH THE PUNTA GORDA MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE THEY WILL. YEAR AND THAT HURTS OUR ECONOMY AS WELL JUST THE SOLUTION TO ME IS NOT SAYING YOU CAN ONLY PART 3 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON YOUR PROPERTY IT'S THAT IF YOU HAVE 3 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR MORE YOU'VE GOT PUT UP A FENCE OR YOU'VE GOT TO PUT UP YOU'VE GOT LOCKETT'S YOUR NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO ME THAT'S THE APPROACH RATHER THAN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES SAY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE. I MEAN IT'S THE WAY IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU CAN'T DENY THAT SOCIETY IS MORE AND MORE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND GOING TO STOP THAT. AND SO HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH IT YOU KNOW IF YOU GET TOO RESTRICTIVE. ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO. IT'S CHASE PEOPLE AWAY THEY'RE GOING TO SAY I YOU KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO ABLE TO STRUGGLE. SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SHOT THEM WHAT WE WANT THE U.S. TO THAT QUESTION I THINK IT'S AS YOU SAY IT YOU GOT 3 OR MORE. YOU KNOW 5 FEET SHRUBBERY ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY THERE SO THAT NOBODY GETS TO LOOK AT THAT GOALS. I MEAN I YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE A GREAT RESOURCE TO OUR STABILITY OUR CONTRIBUTOR, THEY CREDIBLE. PART OF OUR CITY AND YOU KNOW WE WANT TO CHASE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT OUT I DON'T THINK SO. BUT AGAIN THAT'S SMYTH INC. >> I'M FROM JUST FROM ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. WE'RE HAPPY OCCASION. POINT. IF SOMEONE. >> HAS. >> 6 VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE NOT USED IN BUSINESS WITH YOU ALSO REQUIRE THE BUFFER. >> IF LET ME PUT IT WAY. >> IF THERE WERE REQUIREMENT LEGALLY TO BE CONSISTENT AND I SAY YES LOOKING 6 VEHICLE SITTING SOMEONE'S FRONT HE'S JUST AS MUCH A EYESORE IS LOOKING 6 ELECTRICAL PICKUPS WE OF THE TRUTH IS YOU KNOW IT'S AN EYESORE REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS NOBODY WANTS TO SEE. 6 OR 8 CARS PARKED ON SOMEONE'S. ON PROPERTY, IT'S JUST YOU LOOK AT IT YOU GO GOD WHAT A THEY HAVE TO LIVE A QUESTION FOR ME SO SHE'S GOING TO BE CONSISTENT BE AT LEAST YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS WHICH IS JUST THAT IT'S ON THE PROBLEM. >> YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBOR I DON'T WANT TO SEE AND IF YOU WANT THOSE VEHICLES WHETHER THEY BE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. >> COLE. >> YOU KNOW IT'S PUTTING YOUR PULL OUT YOUR FRONT I WANT TO SEE EVERYBODY RUNNING AROUND IT'S GOOD NEWS JUMPING IN AND OUT OF THE POOL, NOT REALLY. BACK DOOR NO ONE HAS TO LOOK AT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST YOU KNOW WE'RE HERE. TALKING BUT REALLY SEE ANY ACTION THAT WE COULD TAKE ON THIS. >> THIS POINT PUT YOUR LAND AND HAS RELIED YOU WANT COMMENT. I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST A MOTION. ANYONE HAS BEEN AT IT THAT. THAT'S RIGHT. WAS ANYTHING OUT TO. THE DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WHAT IT. >> UNKNOWN, I'M THE LADY AND MY HUSBAND THAT LIVE ACROSS FROM THIS. >> MESS. AND HE STARTED OUT WITH 2 VEHICLES. 2 O. AND HIS BUSINESS GREW AND THEN HE CAME TO 6. AND IT CAME TO 8. NOW WOODS 9 PLUS 2 TRAILERS. PEOPLE IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE MORNING. THE NOISE IS HORRENDOUS. WE JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE BRING KNOW IN 2016. IT LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW WHAT. IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME AS A TAX PERCENT. THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT EVERY TIME I BROUGHT MY FRONT DOOR IT THAT HE NEEDS TO BE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, NOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I GOT TO DO CHECK AND SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE PLACE. YOU CAN FIND THAT OUT IT'S 10 NOBODY IN HIS IN HIS OWN WORKS THERE. WE CAN SEE IT EVERY DAY. IT'S RIDICULOUS. IT'S JUST READ EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO MY HOUSE WHETHER IT FOR CONDITIONING THE TURNAROUND FOR THAT. WHAT IS THIS. OK NOW WE GET FLOODING BECAUSE HE'S GOT CEMENT NOW WE HAVE FLOODING ON OUR ON OUR STREET. NOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN A HURRICANE COMES. IT'S RIDICULOUS. IT'S JUST REALLY AND THAT'S JUST I TOOK PICTURES THIS MORNING OR LATE YESTERDAY SEMIFINAL. THE MORNING IN AND WAS LIKE A 7.30. SO WHATEVER WAS TOLD ABOUT IT'S JUST A COUPLE HERE, BUT TH'S NATURAL I'M THEIR GUY I'VE GOT TONS OF PICTURES AT MY HOME. IT EVERY DAY THE GUYS FROM PARK, THEY'RE TRAPPED. THEY TAKE THEIR TRUCKS AND MAIKEL IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT'S NOT COUNTING ALL THE DELIVERIES THAT COME ALL DAY. AND THEN PARKING THAT PARKING ON THE STREET YES, THEY DO. HOW MANY TIMES THEY PARKED IN FRONT OF MY MAILBOX QUEST GET CAN GET TO THE MAIL. SO NO THIS IS ACCEPT IT'S NOT I'VE TALKED HIM AND I HAD A CONVERSATION. HE WAS VERY QUIET. I WAS GOING PLAY BRYANT. I'M REAL HAPPY THAT YOU ARE DOING WELL YOUR BUSINESS AND TO GET. BUT YOU'RE TOO FOR RESIDENTIAL AREA AND HE SAID HIS WORDS THERE AND LOOKING FOR A PLACE THAT WAS 2 YEARS AGO. 2 YEARS WELL. SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO MY HOUSE THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE HIS VEHICLES THAT ARE SOMETIMES ON THE STREET WAY TO AND THEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HOW MY HOUSE. IF I WANT TO SELL MY HOUSE WHO'S GOING TO BUY MY HOUSE. BECAUSE THEY GOT A LOOK AT AND THAT'S IS THE GOD'S TRUTH. IT'S EYESORE IT LOOKS TERRIBLE AND THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC FOR WE'VE BECAUSE IT WAS SO NICE AND. >> WHILE. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PARKING SITUATION WITH THE ULDC REWRITE BECAUSE PAY ATTENTION TO IT. MY LASER FOCUS WAS THE REZONING WHEN YOU'RE REZONE THE CITY YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING ALL THOSE MAJOR ROADS CHAMBERLAIN. NIGHT CRANBERRY WAS GOING NORTH TO SOUTH THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DO PLEX GOING TO DUPLEXES ON THAT WERE HERE YOU GO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND THOSE DUPLEXES AND THE AMOUNT CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE PARKED THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE THOSE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REZONED TO MIX USE ONE PROTOCOL. INTEGRATION COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM MULTIFAMILY ON THE TOP WHAT'S THE PARKING GOING TO BE LIKE THAT. YOU'VE GOT THE LATEST NUMBERS ON ITS TOTAL WHAT 2,500 BUSINESSES IN PORT HALF OF THEM ARE HOME-BASED SO WE CONTINUE TO LIKE WE'RE GROWING AND THOSE ON BASE BUSINESSES INCREASE. THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE HOME-BASED HELP ME IN AS SOON AS LLC GOES I DID IT THE WRONG WAY. I WANT TO BE ONE HOME-BASED BUSINESS COMING IN ME THE MARCH OR APRIL. SO THAT'S WHY. THANKS. THANK YOU. THAT'S OK. >> ALL RIGHT THOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO. >> SO WE A MOTION. SEE IF I CAN GET ONE TO FLY. THAT WE RE A DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING BACK A REVISED PARKING. ZONING BUT WHAT IF THE CALL A REVISED HARKIN. REGULATION OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS. THAT. EFFECTIVELY ADDRESSES THIS ISSUE. >> WITHOUT GETTING BIG LEGAL SAY YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION OF HOW WE CAN. CONTROL OUR PREVENT THIS KIND OF A SITUATION. A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. OUT THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS DISCUSS ARE THE 2. >> SAY WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ALL THAT >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT PARK GOT >> I HAD TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF TO BRING BACK REVISE PARKING REGULATION THAT EFFECTIVELY ADDRESS SINCE HOME-BASED RESIDENTIAL PARKING ISSUES. HOME-BASED BUSINESS, RESIDENTIAL PARKING ISSUES. OK. OKAY WAS THE MOTION MADE BY. >> COMMISSIONER LINE IN A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THAT YOU WANT TO. SPEAK TO THAT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> I CAN GO ALONG WITH THE THE MOTION I THINK BECAUSE HOW THE CITY CLERK RESTATED THE MOTION MADE MY MY DISCUSSION POINTS KIND OF. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE WAS DISCUSSION FROM STAFF USING VENICE'S CODE I DON'T KNOW WANT TO ADD THAT TO THE MOTION. AS A GUIDE. SO THAT WE THEN THEY AT LEAST HAVE A STARTING AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT A TIMELINE ON THIS TO SEE IF MAYBE BROUGHT BACK WITHIN 6 MONTHS SO THAT WITHIN THE UNDERSTAND A SENSE OF URGENCY. AS OPPOSED TO HEY WE'LL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET DONE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE QUEUE. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SECOND FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEL OUT THE MOTION MAKERS TO MY POINTS OF. >> I'M ALWAYS RELUCTANT TO GIVE A TIMEFRAME ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IT WOULD BE TERRIFIC. IF IT COULD COME BACK TO US WHEN WE VOTE ON THE ULDC REWRITE I KNOW THE TIME FOR THAT IS REALLY SHORT SO I'M LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR TO GIVE US SOME LEVEL OF EFFORT AND TIMING FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> I'M CONSIDERING WHAT. >> AND WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW. I'M BRINGING IT BACK. >> IN CONJUNCTION WITH ULDC MAY CAUSE ME TO RUN ON ♪ >> TRACK. >> I SUSPECTED THAT WOULD BE YOUR HONESTLY. >> WE'RE KIND JUST SET UP A NEW DIVISION, I'M WORKING ON OTHER CHANGES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AND OUR FOCUS IS ON THE ULDC WHICH. ONCE AN ALLY IS NOT JUST THE ULDC WE'RE HAVING TO COMPLETELY REWRITE THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ADOPT THE ULDC. WE ARE. YOU CAN SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL BANDWIDTH RIGHT SO MY. SINCERE REQUEST BE TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO GET THAT BEFORE. I HAVE TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU. IT'S JUST IF I COULD IF I CAN HUMANLY DO IT I ABSOLUTELY WOULD. BUT WE ARE. WE ARE STRETCHED HAS BEEN AS WE CAN POSSIBLY DARK. >> AND AND I'M OKAY WITH. NOT GIVING YOU A DAY IN THE MOTION JUST CITY MANAGER UNDERSTANDS THAT EVERY WEEK ON OUR ONE ON ONE I'M GOING TO BE ASKING WHERE IT'S LAST SO THAT THE HAD >> AND I WOULD BE RELUCTANT I WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO PUT. ANY SPECIFICS ON HOW TO DO IT LIKE ADDING VENICE THE MOTION YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE LOCAL THEY GET AWAY SHUNS ON YOUR RIGHT POSSIBLY BRING SOME OPTIONS TO YOU WITH THE PRESIDENT WAS EACH OF THOSE KEEPING IN MIND I NEVER WANT TO ADOPT SOMETHING I CAN'T ENFORCE AND I HAVE TO DO WITH THE ENFORCEMENT END OF THAT WELL. SO I WILL ONLY BRING OPTIONS TO YOU THAT. CAN BE ENFORCED. I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY TURNS OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY AND THAT WE DO LOOK THAT CAN BE LEGALLY SUPPORTED. AND THEN BRING HIS OPTIONS 2 MEN YOU WOULD DO THAT ABSOLUTELY WAY I SAW WAS A REGULAR COURSE OF EVENTS SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED TO ADD THAT AND CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WILL BRING TO YOU AS QUICKLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN I WON'T SIT ON IT THAT NECESSARILY. BUT WITH WITH WHAT WE HAVE PLANTS RIGHT IT'S SIMPLY SOMETHING WHAT ELSE WOULD HAVE TO GET AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE THE ULDC WHICH WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING SO HARD TO GET AND I KNOW I PROMISED YOU KNOW ON THE RABBIT I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REBELS I MEAN THAT FROM US SO. OK, THANK YOU I'M HAPPY WITH MY MOTION AS IT STANDS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MY SECOND ARE FIELDS, SECONDED IT FOR DISCUSSION WE CAN TAKE THE >> ALL RIGHT SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LET'S VOTE ON THAT. >> AND THAT PASSES 4 TO ONE WITH. MERGE DISSENTING TO DO WANT TO. >> I MEAN, YEAH JUST MOMENTARILY I JUST DIDN'T WANT ADD ANY UNDUE STRESS ON TO THEY ALREADY I WOULD MUCH RATHER BROUGHT THIS BACK ON THE COMMISSION ON THE DIET MAY BE 6 MONTHS FROM NOW REACTION TO DISCUSS THE WHOLE PARKING ORDINANCE BECAUSE ♪ WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF BLACK OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE CALLING US IN H.O.A. NOT BEING ABLE DO THIS DO THAT RATHER DISCUSS IT IN THE HOLE RATHER THAN PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. SO THAT'S MY OPINION THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU FOR SITTING HERE ALL WAITING FOR THIS ITEM TO COME UP. I WILL APOLOGIZE FOR THAT THAT'S THAT'S HOW THINGS GO BUT THANK YOU FOR MAKING A COMMENT. AND WAITING FOR THAT. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM >> 24 DASH 0, 4, 1, TO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO AMEND COMMISSION NUMBER 2021 DASH 0, 5, SECTION. TO >> COMMISSION MEETINGS. >> SCHEDULES NOTICES AND AGENDAS CITY MANAGER. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO SHOULD ABOUT THIS WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER RIGHT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. ALL RIGHT SO. IT IS 5 O'CLOCK. I UNDERSTAND WE MEET TWICE A MONTH. THIS IS A RELATIVELY EASY SUBJECT I CAN MAKE 2 HOPEFULLY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE READ THE BACKUP MATERIALS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HOW WE SEE THE COMMISSION POLICY THAT RELATES TO MEETING AGENDAS. SPECIFICALLY. AND. IF I CAN GET THE AUTHORIZATION TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK TO ADDRESS THE FOR ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED IN LEGISLATIVE BRING BACK A POLICY FOR CONSIDERATION FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST WAY TO GO. BECAUSE MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. ONE OF THEM IS THE CITY MANAGER JUST KIND OF REVIEW WHAT THOSE 4 BULLET 2 POINT ARE THE CITY MANAGER HAS REQUESTED THAT ALL OF THE COMMISSION'S AGENDA ITEMS BE GIVEN TO THE CITY THAT WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE. THE SECOND ONE ADDING THAT IF COMMISSIONER. CREATES AN AGENDA ITEM TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA THAT IT AUTOMATICALLY PLACED ON THE AGENDA. THE OTHER ONE THE COMMISSION POLICY DOES NOT GIVE A DEADLINE FOR COMMISSION AGENDA ITEM SO MAYBE THEY CAN WORK WITH CITY CLERK TO COME UP WITH DEADLINE FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST THERE IS NO POLICY THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES HOW A CHARTER OFFICER WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. GRANTED CHARTER OFFICERS PRETTY MUCH JUST PUT THEM ON. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF A ANOTHER CHARTER OFFICER SAYS NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT AT THIS POINT. THAT MAY NOT BE IN A VERY WISE DECISION SO. IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME WITH THAT LITTLE BULLETED. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY, I COULD WORK WITH CITY CLERK TO AND ♪ CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK. IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS. AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE. SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> I'M INCLINED TO SAY YES I MEAN IT'S I. >> I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ALL YOUR CHANGES ARE SO I DON'T FEEL VERY WELL EQUIPPED TO DISCUSS THAT AT THIS POINT EXCEPT YOU DID MENTION HAVING OUR AGENDA TOPICS. IF IT COMES FROM A COMMISSIONER TO AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE AGENDA. SOME OF OUR TOPICS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT WE BRING FORWARD, OTHERS REALLY REQUIRE STAFF TIME. AND. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES STAFF AND PUT AND FOR STAFF TO NOT BE READY. TO DELIVER THAT AND PUT SO JUST BASED ON ONE ITEM. >> I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT BUT I CERTAINLY BE OPEN. TO REVIEWING ANY CHANGES TO THAT POLICY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. OKAY COMMISSIONER EMRICH. >> I HATE FOLLOWING QUESTION OF THAT POINT THAT I ADAM ATTIC ON THE AGENDA. BECAUSE THE STAFF TIME AND BEING ABLE TO RESEARCH WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT. >> IN THE BIGGER OF THINGS I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH. >> AGENDA'S GOING FORWARD. SO FAR SO. WHICH SENIORS IN PLACE I WOULD. ♪ ♪ IT'S NOT GROW. >> I ALWAYS LIKE AUNT FIRST COAST NOW I GOT TO JUST ECHO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS. I REALLY YOU KNOW AGAIN IT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROBLEM WITH WITH THE PROCESS THE WAY IT IS AND THE MOST TELLING POINT WAS WAS. COMMISSIONER LANKANS AGENDA ITEMS REQUIRE STAFF AND PUT A REQUIRED RESEARCH COMMISSIONERS BE ABLE TO JUST SIMPLY INSTRUCT CLERK'S OFFICE TO LIKE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. IT'S GOING TO CREATE SO MANY ITEMS GET PULLED AND YANKED BECAUSE STAFF ISN'T READY. REVISITING ISSUES YOU KNOW AGAIN LIKE CHEST. IF AIN'T BROKE. FIX SO I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING THAT I SEE NO REASON CHANGE WHAT WE'VE GOT WORK IN MY ESTIMATION WORKING ANYWAY. OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> NO OPEN THE DOOR SO I'M WALKING THROUGH IT. IT IS BROKE. I HAVE PLACE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA ONLY TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER SAY NO. AND IT DID NOT REQUIRE ANY STAFF TIME BECAUSE I CREATED THE AGENDA ITEM. AND IT WAS FOR DISCUSSION VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT COMMISSIONER LANGDON DID SHE PUT THE AGENDA ITEM ON TO DISCUSS THE PARK. THIS WAS DONE AS A COMMISSION BODY. SHE CREATED THE AGENDA. SHE HAD PUT ON THE AGENDA WE DISCUSSED IT. >> THEN WE. >> DETERMINE IF WE WANT STAFF TO EXPEND TIME. BY NOT ALLOWING THE COMMISSIONER TO HAVE AGENDA ITEM YOU ARE ACTUALLY IMPEDING THAT SPECIFIC COMMISSIONERS ABILITY TO DO THEIR JOB. AND FOR THEIR CITIZENRY. SO I I I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL FEEL IT'S NOT BROKE. BUT UNTIL YOU GO TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON YOUR TOLD NO AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S BROKE. THE AGENDA IS HOURS TO APPROVE AND NOT APPROVE. THE CITY MANAGER. I UNDERSTAND IS IN CHARGE OF THE STAFF'S AGENDA ITEMS ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION HE HAS THAT AUTHORITY. BUT THE QUESTION COMES INTO PLAY IS SHOULD THE CITY MANAGER BE ABLE TO SAY NO COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THIS ITEM ON THE DAY THAT SHE WANTS TO. OR OR NO SHE'S NOT GOING TO KNOW ON THAT PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA AT ALL. I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT IS PART OF HIS WORLD OR ANY CHARTER OFFICERS ROLE. THAT IS WHY I WAS LOOKING TO ADD THE AUTOMATICALLY TOO. DISCUSSION AND TO THE POLICY. BECAUSE. GOING RIGHT DOWN TO A CHARTER OFFICER, YOU KNOW IF A CHARTER OFFICER SAYS HEY YOU KNOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND IT MIGHT BE ABOUT ANOTHER CHARTER OFFICER YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO BE TOLD NO. IT'S A DOESN'T MAKE FOR TRANSPARENT IN GOOD GOVERNANCE SO MY MY MY REQUEST IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK TO BRING SOMETHING BACK AND THEN HAVE YOU VET IT IT. IT'S I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MAKE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THIS AUTOMATIC, BUT I HOPE YOU'RE ALSO HEARING. WHAT I AM SAYING. >> AS MAYOR WELL I WOULD SAY THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE UNLESS THERE WAS A A LOGICAL REASON CITY MANAGER WOULDN'T AGREE SOMETHING PUT BRUSH FORCED TO GO ON THE AGENDA AND ANY COMMISSIONER IF THEY ARE DENIED THAT RIGHT HAVE ABILITY TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. AND HAVE THE COMMISSION VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT. AGENDA ITEM SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. SO AGAIN. I SEE THE PROBLEM. I I DON'T I MEAN I CAN'T ENVISION A SCENARIO WHERE CITY MANAGER JUST SAYS TO A COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW I JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU DO I JUST DON'T THAT'S NOT REALITY. THAT'S JUST NOT THERE ARE REASONS WHY. >> SOMETHING MIGHT TAKE AN EXTRA 2 WEEKS OR MONTHS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BRING AN EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT DIALOGUE, IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE SOME DEGREE WORK SO JUST STILL DON'T SEE IT. >> MANAGER. >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR JUST SO THIS IS ROAD BECAUSE ONE PERSON DOESN'T LIKE THE WAY THE SYSTEM IS WORKING ITS PINTEREST AREA WORKING FOR YEARS ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT'S BROKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE IRISH'S RECORD SAYING SHE WANTED TO ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT DISCUSSED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ULDC PROCESS WHICH IS A STAFF RELATED OPERATING FUNCTION. OUR TEAM WAS PLANNING ON BRINGING A CHAPTER FORWARD WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOW IT NOT ONLY TO PREPARE THAT CHAPTER 4 YOU WILL BE TOO UMBC DISCUSSION. BUT ALSO FOR TO GET FURTHER ALONG INTO WHERE THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT. IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THEY WERE EVEN GOING TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION TO THE PUBLIC. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID UNITED THAT SHE WANTED PUT ALL YOU NEED TO TALK COMPANY WITH THAT WORKSHOP TOPIC. AS IT RELATES THE DENIAL OF CHARTER OFFICER I DON'T THINK THERE ARE SEEING A CHARTER OFFICER GET THE NIGHT BEFORE. TONIGHT WILL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. AND WHAT YOU LEFT OUT OF COMMISSIONER LANGDON EXAMPLE IS COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAD A CONCERN ABOUT PARKING IN SHE BROUGHT IT TO ME AND WE WORK THROUGH THE CONVERSATION AND THE TIMING OF IT. IF YOU DIDN'T SAY HEY IM MUST GO ON THIS AGENDA. SHE WAITED TO STAFF GOT HER THAT THE BACK AND SHE WAS ABLE COPE A VERY PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES. IF BEGIN TO ALLOW A COMMISSIONER JUST THE SUMMIT AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY GO ON THE AGENDA. IT IS GOING TO WIND IN YOUR MEETINGS THEY WILL NOT MAKE YOU AS A PATIENT AND IT WILL LEAD TO ONE PERSON. I'M JACKIE. >> THANK YOU CITY. COMMISSIONER MIKE MCDOWELL. >> SO I HAVE NEVER CITY MANAGER TONIGHT AGENDA REQUEST IN THE PAST. I EVEN ASKED A FORMER CITY MANAGER HAVE YOU CHECK TO COMMISSIONERS AGENDA HE SAYS NO NOT IF I WANT TO KEEP MY JOB. TROPICAL. I DON'T HAVE IT'S NO SECRET I DON'T HAVE THE SAME ATMOSPHERE WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I DO HAVE TO WORK KIND OF LIKE IN A BUBBLE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF HAVING A. VIABLE DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE THIS ONE. IN PARTICULAR I FOR THE LIFE OF ME I CAN'T REMEMBER THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS REJECTED ENTIRELY. BUT THIS ONE WAS MORE SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF TIME SENSITIVE THAT I WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT SO THAT WE COULD GIVE THE CITY MANAGER AND HIS STAFF FURTHER DIRECTION AND IT DIDN'T JUST INCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER. IT INCLUDED THE CHARTER OFFICERS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION. SO I AM HEARING THAT IT'S ONLY ME THAT HAS THE PROBLEM UNTIL IT'S ONE OF FEW OR ANOTHER COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME. I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM THAT PROMPTED ME TO SEEK BASED ON THE CITY ATTORNEYS SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE AND AND HAVE THIS LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFIED. NOW IF I WAS TO HAVE TO BRING BACK AN AGENDA ITEM TO ASK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HEY CAN I HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS JUST PLAIN WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS. BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES POLITICAL. AND IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO CREATE AN AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PLACING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. THAT'S A LOGICAL. I'M GOING TO IF THE DISCUSSION IS FINISHED AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION I HAVE A COMMISSIONER LANGDON. YOU MORE. THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT YESTERDAY STEPHANIE GIBSON. >> LAST YEAR COMMISSIONER SUBMITTED A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO COLLECT A SPECIFIC SET OF THE CMS E-MAIL EXCHANGES TO SUPPORT UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM TO THE CITY CLERK DID NOT PRODUCE THE RECORDS INSTEAD SHE INFORMED THE COMMISSIONER THAT SHE WOULD BE CHARGED FOR THE RESPONSE OF DOCUMENTS BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES. SHE DID SHARE WITH THE COMMISSIONER THAT SHE COULD SUBMIT AN AGENDA ITEM TO ASK FOR AN OFFICIAL COMMISSION DECISION. THE CITY CLERK HUSTINGS BACKWARD SHE WORKS FOR THE COMMISSION COMMISSIONERS PR IS THAT PROBLEMATIC AND SHE SHOULD PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND MAKE THEIR CASE A PUBLIC SETTING AS TO WHY OTHERWISE SHE SHOULD NOT INSERT HERSELF INTO PREVENTING A DULY ELECTED COMMISSIONER FROM EXECUTING HER OVERSIGHT DUTY OF CHARTER OFFICERS IN A JUNE 2023. I SUGGESTED THE CITY CLERK CONSIDER DEVELOPING A POLICY TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION AS IT COULD EASILY BE CONSTRUED AS A NUMBER OF GREAT POLITICAL MOVE CONSIDERING THE TOPIC. I ASSURE YOU I HOLD ALL COMMISSIONERS TO THE SAME STANDARD AND I AM CONFIDENT MY CHOICES REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I HAVE NOT HAD A COMMISSION OR SPEAK REGARDING THE POSSIBLE NEED FOR POLICY AT THIS TIME AT SUCH TIME THAT FEEL WHAT IS NEEDED I WOULD BE HAPPY TO REVIEW A BROTHER CITY CLERK APPEARS. TO HAVE FORGOTTEN SHE PROVIDES A PUBLIC SERVICE. SHE HAS NEVER REFUSED A COMMISSION REQUEST IN THE PAST SO I'M CURIOUS WHERE SUCH COMMENTS IS DERIVED FROM. IT IS A REASONABLE ASKED TO REQUEST A WRITTEN POLICY TO INCLUDE DOCUMENTING THE CRITERIA PROCESS AS A CITIZEN I'M REQUESTING THE BOARD PROVIDE DIRECTION OF POLICY LANGUAGE TO ADDRESS COMMISSION ARE PUBLIC RECORD THANK YOU. >> AND OK THANK YOU. ALL IS THERE A MOTION. I MAKE TOO OKAY. >> I'M THE FIRST ONE I WILL MAKE IS TO HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK. >> AND SORRY FOR ME. TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. TO BRING BACK AN AMENDED POLICY RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS AS OUTLINED IN THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 4. FOR CONSIDERATION. I'LL SECOND THAT. >> OKAY WE DO HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER CITY CLERK AND YOU JUST REPEAT THAT. >> READING SOMETHING PROVE COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY TO AMEND POLICY NUMBER 2021 DASH YOUR EYE RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS. ONE FOR 4 LISTED ON THE STAFF SUMMER STAFF SOME GREAT FOR COMMISSION APPROVAL AT A LATER DATE. >> I HAVE AN SORRY >> THE WAY CITY CLERK READ THAT. IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH WE WERE GIVING AUTHORIZATION COMMISSIONER MC DOWELL TO MAKE THE CHANGES. SO IF YOU CAN JUST GET A RECOMMENDED CHANGES IN THERE. I'D BE COMFORTABLE. IT ACTUALLY TO BRING BACK AND WHAT I MEANT CHANGE FOR THE COMMISSION I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR IT. >> SET TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO WORK WITH THE CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY TO AMEND POLICY NUMBER 2021 DASH 0, 5 RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS. ONE THROUGH 4 LISTED IN THE SUMMARY AND TO BRING BACK THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE. >> OKAY WE HAVE THAT SECOND AND I COMMISSIONER LANGDON OKAY SO THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER. THAT. >> THAT FAILS 2 TO 3 MYSELF. AND BITES MAYORS DO IT'S SOMETHING. IS EVERYBODY WANTED. IT READS IN CAN GET. OKAY SO THAT'S TOO. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM D 24 DASH 0, 4, 1, PORT. HE'S BEEN. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES TO ADOPT THE ULDC REWRITE. CITY MANAGERS IS THERE SOMETHING TO INTRODUCE. >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR OF THIS IS PRESENTED BY. COMMISSIONER NOW OKAY. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TAKEAWAY YEAH AND IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME I AM GOING TO ASK PUT MY COUNTER. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS DISCUSSION WILL TAKE I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL TAKE A HALF HOUR TAKE OUR I JUST DON'T KNOW. SO I AM GOING TO ASK. >> TO THE MARCH 7TH. >> MEETING. >> I KNOW WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING SCHEDULED AT 1 O'CLOCK I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW LONG THAT DISCUSSION WILL TAKE BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING AT. >> OR. >> PLANNING AND ZONING HAS A MEETING AT 9, BUT IT'S ONLY BLOCKED OFF UNTIL 11 SO MAYBE WE CAN CONVENE FOR AND EXTEND THE COMMISSION MEETING. TO START AT 11. >> I. >> DON'T WANT TO GO TOO LATE TO WITH THIS DISCUSSION. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND REGARDING THE ULDC AND HOW IT IS ADOPTED. SO I I NEED HELP FROM STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF MARCH 7TH WILL WORK IF WE DO IT RIGHT AFTER THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AT 11. >> OR. >> IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AT 1 O'CLOCK MEETING. TO ADDED TO THE AGENDA. >> CITY CLERK HAS LIGHT ON. >> WE DON'T HAVE FOR PLANNING AND ZONING THAT'S OUT SOLID CUT-OFF TIME FOR THEM GO UNTIL THEY'RE ALL OF THE HARD JUST EARLIER BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE THAT I JUST STOPPED WALKED OUT ON THE CALENDAR UNTIL 11. >> DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH TIME TO. >> HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS AT 1 O'CLOCK TO HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE MEETING. >> I MEAN WE CAN DO IT NOW. NOW. >> I BELIEVE THIS WAS CITY I DO THAT YOU WANT TO START TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THE TIME THAT'S ALL. SO WHAT WE GET PAID FOR AND THE STAFF MEMBERS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 7TH, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE INTO THE RIGHT SOMEONE JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE THAT AIR OF WE CO CONVERSATION I AGAIN I WAS TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON WILL MOVE ON JUST KEEP ME THE AND NOW ALL SORRY PETE ALL RIGHT SO I NEED TO AT SO MY MY DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE WE ARE APPROACHING THE HOME STRETCH OF THE ULDC REWRITE WE HAVE MADE MANY STRIDES COMPARED TO WHEN THEY FIRST CONSULTING AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2015. >> BRING THE 2010 YOU SEE IT SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO IT ON. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS AND THE COMPLETION IS IN SIGHT AND I HAVE TO THANK STAFF YOU KNOW I'M SEEING LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. IT'S GETTING A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER IS HUGE DISCUSSION HAPPENS. OVER THE PAST YEAR. I'VE HAD MULTIPLE TOWN HALLS AND THE ULDC REWRITE WAS THE BIGGEST TOPIC DISCUSSED. ESPECIALLY THE REZONING. I'M AT MY TOWN HALLS IPAD BUILDERS AND TESTERS AND REAL LEADERS, DEVELOPERS PROPERTY OWNERS CITIZENS. AND EVEN A FEW SPIES TO SEE WHAT MY TIME BULLS WERE ALL ABOUT. >> BUT THE ONE THING THEY DID HAVE IN COMMON IS FACING ONE THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS. THE PURPOSE AND GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT THE PROJECT. I FELT THE TIME WAS RIGHT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AT THE COMMISSION MEETING. IT'S. I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S WEARY ABOUT THE LONG ULDC RIGHT IN THE TIME THAT WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION DOESN'T HELP THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO GET THIS ULDC REWRITE DONE AND DONE CORRECTLY. I DO APOLOGIZE TO MY PEERS FOR NOT HAVING A I OUTLINE OF DISCUSSION POINTS. I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU TO REVIEW AHEAD OF TIME. I HAVE BEEN TWEAKING THIS FOR PROBABLY THE PAST SHOULD 6 MONTHS OR SO. I'M SORRY 6 WEEKS OR SO. SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT OUT. THERE'S A FOR EVERYBODY. AND THEY ARE IF IT'S OK WITH YOU AND MY FOR BOARD MEMBERS. I'D LIKE TO TAKE TAKE HUGE DISCUSSION 0.1 A TIME. GIVEN ME AN OPPORTUNITY INTRODUCE EACH POINT AND THEN HAVE A BOARD DISCUSSION. AFTER THAT DISCUSSION I CAN GO AHEAD MAKE A MOTION WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. AND I HOPE THIS WILL HELP STREAMLINE THIS AGENDA ITEM. I KNOW WHAT NEEDY UTLEY WHEN YOU TURN THE PAGE OVER YOU'RE GOING. OH MY GOD, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS BUT HE CAN DO RELATIVELY QUICKLY. SO IF IT'S OK MAYOR I'LL JUST DIVE RIGHT IN. AND WE'LL GIVE IT A WHIRL. OKAY I JUST UP POINT WHATEVER WE JUST HAD THE DIRECTOR UP THERE SAYING THERE THAT THEY ARE WORKING. ON THE U OF STATE THEY HAVE A TIMELINE SEPARATE FROM HOW THIS IS SEPARATE THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE OKAY. IT SAYS HERE TO ADOPT THE ULDC REWRITE ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION TO MAKE SURE SOME OF KIDS MY MY INITIAL QUESTION IS THAT PART OF WHAT FIGURE OUT SMOOTH TRANSITION KNOW THEY DON'T BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT SO THAT'S WHY THAT MENTIONED IN THIS IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY HERE. >> SHE HAS THE DOCUMENTATION THAT HAS SHE PROVIDED TO STAFF COULD HAVE RESEARCHER QUESTIONS TO PROVIDE THAT ENSURE AN EFFICIENT MEETING CAN PUT ON AND THEN WITH INTENTIONALLY VAGUE AND NOW HE HAS TO KEEP A DOCUMENT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SIT THAT GETS ON THE SPOT. THAT'S WHAT I WHEN I TAKE OVER MEETING NOTHING IS AWFUL. ON THE BILL. THANK >> AND THAT HIJACKING A MEETING I AM TRYING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT MATTERS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. AND I DOING IT TO BENEFIT THE CITIZENS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF OUR CITY AND I HAVE ASKED TO HAVE. THESE TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS OUTSIDE OF A WORKSHOP, BUT THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN FACILITATED SO I AM GOING TO CONTINUE ON BECAUSE I HAD THE BLESSING FROM THE BOARD AND MAYOR IF I CAN GO THROUGH THIS ITEM BY ITEM AND DISCUSSED EACH ONE OF THESE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST GIVING STAFF DIRECTION CITY ATTORNEY DIRECTION. AND THE FIRST ONE I ALREADY SPOKE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT SHE SAID THAT SHE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT COMMISSION CONSENSUS AND AND EMOTION. I KNOW THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS. THINKING HIJACKING THE MEETING AND THAT THIS WOULD NOT BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF KEY. CAN GET THROUGH THIS WE CAN GIVE HIM THE DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH WHAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE IF THE CITY'S ATTORNEY COULDN'T DO THE FIRST ONE. CITY MANAGER IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE OTHERS WITHOUT THE COMMISSION GIVING HIM DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE. THESE POSSIBLE MOTIONS. MAY I MOVE ON. >> YES, I JUST AND JUST CLARIFY WHAT IS IT YOU'RE EXPECTING TO GET FROM EACH ONE OF THESE YOU CAN. >> GOLFER HAS MOTION 101 OF THEM TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER SOME DARK HOW TO PROCEED OKAY. I HAVE AN ISSUE. >> OKAY GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T LIKE MY FORD COMMISSIONER EMRICH. MY MAIN CONCERN HERE IS. AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE COMING FROM YOU I WAS DISCUSSION TOPICS. AND ISN'T THIS ON THE PROCEDURE ON HOW ARE GOING TO ADOPT THE ULDC ISN'T THIS STAFF'S RESPONSIBILITY AND ARE WE GETTING INTO STAFF SWEDES BY. >> TRYING TO DIRECT THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND TELL I MY UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF IS WORKING DILIGENTLY GOING TO THE PROCESS MAKING SURE ALL THE I'S ARE DOTTED THE T'S ARE COVERED AND THEN BRING IT TO ARE YOU GOING APPROVE OR DENY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO THE WEEDS TO MISTER OR MS. TELL THEM. AND NOW YOU NEED TO DO IT THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO DO IT THAT WAY TO ME THAT SHOWING THAT AS A BOARD WE DON'T TRUST OUR STAFF TO DO THE JOB THAT THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT ♪ ♪ I DON'T THE REST OF THE BOARD CHILLS BUT. I THINK THE TIME TO GO OVER THE ULDC IS ONE STEP WITH PREPARE ONCE IS DONE AND WHEN THEY COME IN THEY PRESENTED TO US. THAT'S ALL >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER I HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS I I I SEE STAFF WORK DATES THINGS ARE GONNA COME BACK. I QUESTION FOR STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR DIRECTOR ARE. HER DEPUTY BUT EITHER AND AND MY QUESTION REALLY IS. >> WHEN WE. >> DISCUSS THE. >> FINAL. DRAFT OF THE ULDC IN COMP PLAN CHANGES. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND MY DELUDED ARE AM I CORRECT. >> HEART THERE'S THERE'S 2 DIFFERENT. THANKS THERE'S IMPLEMENTATION WHICH HAPPENS AFTER ADOPTION. RIGHT AND THERE'S OPTION. >> ADOPTION WILL FOLLOW THE STANDARD PROCESS FOR ADOPTION. WE SEE. SO THAT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD DO ANY OTHER ORDINANCE WE TAKE IT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING ADVISORY BOARD RECKON THEY SHOULD WE BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR TO RATINGS. IT WILL HAVE A GAP BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO STATE REVIEW. AND THEN THEY WILL. THAT TO US. WE HOPE THAT WE GET THAT REVIEW FOR THE GUYS WE DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE WILL, BUT WE HOPE. AND THEN WE CAN IT WILL COME BACK FOR. FINAL. HEARING AND ADOPTION. WHEN IT GOES TO THE PLANNING IS ON BOARD IT WILL BE THE FULL DOCUMENT. IT WON'T BE. AND PIECES LIKE WE'VE BEEN BRINGING IT TO DURING YOUR REVIEW, IT WILL BE THE FULL DOCUMENT. AND THE SAME FOR FIRST AND SECOND READING. SO, BUT THAT'S A STANDARD PROCESS THAT THAT PROCESS DOESN'T DEVIATE FROM ANY OTHER ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD ADOPT. >> I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER EMERICH I MEAN THIS JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE IT'S IN THE WEEDS. AND ITS STAFF WORK AND AND WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US I THINK IT BEHOOVES ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE A CONCERN. >> BUT THE PROCESS. >> THIS AND I WOULD EXPECT STAFF TO DO THIS. ANYWAY I'M I'M MISSING SOMETHING. >> COMMISSIONER WILL FOLLOW ALL APPLICABLE. >> COATS AND STATUTES AND REGARDS TO ADVERTISING AND HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR ALL OF THE ORDINANCE IS ASSOCIATED. THE ULDC REWRITE THE COMPANION CODE AMENDMENTS, THE COMPANION CITY CODE AMENDMENTS. WE HAVE A FANTASTIC. LEGAL TEAM, INCLUDING WEISER ROAD UP WHO ARE OUTSIDE COUNSEL REVIEWING THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WILL. THAT WILL BE PROCESSED IN TANDEM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE ORDINANCE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION. AS WELL AS ALL OF THE COMPANION CITY CODE. AMENDMENTS AND WE ARE CONFIDENT WE ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND UP IN OUR FIELDS THAT WE CAN ALL OF THE PROPER PROCEDURES UNDER ALL OF THE APPLICABLE CODES AND STATUTES BRING YOU FORWARD AND PROCESS FOR ADOPTION AND IT LEGALLY COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW WENT ABOUT >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED NOTHING LESS. AND YOU KNOW IT. >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH, SO. WHAT. DISCUSSED. AT THE APRIL 10TH WORKSHOP. >> WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES I WAS TOLD AND EVERYBODY WAS TOLD WE WILL BE FOLLOWING STATE STATUTE. >> AND IF YOU I DON'T DISAGREE WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE STATUTE. BUT MY CONVERSATION AND VOTE ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS ASKING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. ♪ 2. >> DO A LEGAL OPINION ABOUT HOW WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR REZONING CO. I MEAN WE OF ♪ OUR DEVELOPERS. I TOOK AN OATH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW THE CODES AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY. THE CONSTITUTION AND THE STATE AND. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY HEY DO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE SECTION ONE DASH 33. I NEED TO FIND OUT WHY AND GET HER LEGAL OPINION. THAT IS THE BULLETPROOF BOTH POINT NUMBER ONE. >> WE WE HAVE. >> I ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THE STATE STATUTE IS CLEARLY A MINIMAL. WHEN YOU READ SUBSECTION 9 WE COMMISSION IMPOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON THESE ADOPTIONS. AND AND AGAIN I WILL REITERATE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY. STILL SAME ULDC REQUIREMENTS AS WE DEMAND OF ANY DEVELOPER WHEN THEY COME TO REZONE THE PROPERTY. AND I REALLY FEEL THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ABOUT FOLLOWING THAT ULDC CODE. SO THAT STAFF KNOWS HEY WITH WE'VE GOT TO DO EXTRA STEPS. THERE'S LIKE 15 DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THAT ULDC CODE FOR REZONE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT. HOW IT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED I WANTING TO DISCUSS TO GET DIRECTION OF WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE DONE FOR LIGHTS ON. >> THANK YOU MAYOR WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY HAS TO FOLLOW ULDC CODE SECTION ONE DASH 3, 3, IT. THIS IS WHAT I SPOKE WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT OUR ONE ON ONE WHEN SHE ASKED THIS QUESTION AS WELL. THE ANSWER IS IF YOU ARE ADOPTING A NEW ULDC THEN YOU'RE TALKING NEW CRITERIA. AND YOU AND SO YOU ARE OVERRIDING YOU ARE AMENDING THAT NOT A MATTER OF. WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THEIR OWN LAST A MATTER WE'RE CHANGING OUR OWN. LAST SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HERE WE ALSO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION OF THE STATE STATUTE AND THE TYPE OF NOTICE THAT MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE STATE STATUTE FOR REZONING THE LANGUAGE IN STATE STATUTE, IT'S IS PLAIN AND CLEAR AND IT'S WHAT CITY INTENDS TO FOLLOW AND YOU KNOW AS. IT'S A MISS RAIN MISS BARNES WHO STATED THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE OFFLINE HAS NOTHING EVERY TIME WE LOOK AT ANY ISSUE BEFORE IT COMES. BEFORE THE COMMISSION. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I DON'T NEED ANY DIRECTION RELATED TO ULDC SECTION ONE DASH 3, 3, >> COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE ONE DASH 3 IS THE CURRENT LAW FOR IMPLEMENTING REZONE AND CURRENT LAW NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED. >> AND THAT'S DON'T YOU RESIGN. I THINK YOU'RE AM I I SAID THAT'S WANT KNOW. >> I'M NOT I'M SORRY NOT. >> BUT AGAIN WHAT I WANT RESTATE FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD HERE IS THAT IT IS THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE DOING A REZONING UNDER THE CURRENT ULDC WE'RE GOING TO BE REWRITING THE ULDC AND ADOPTING A NEW LAW AND WE WILL RE ZONE UNDER THAT NEW ULDC AND THAT IS WHAT I ADVICE AND THE ONE ON AND THAT'S WHAT I ADVISE THE BOARD HERE NOW THAT IS CONSISTENT. >> AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND. WE WILL BE BRINGING SEVERAL DIFFERENT ORDINANCES BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THE FIRST IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ORDINANCE THE SECOND WELL ADOPT. >> THE ULDC. >> LET'S ACCEPT CHAPTER 5 WHICH IS THE SIGN CHAPTER AND THAT IS ON THE ADVICE OF OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO HAVE A STANDALONE ORDINANCE OR THE SIGN CHAPTER. WE WILL ALSO HAVE IMPORTANT THAT THAT ADOPTS. >> THE ZONING MAP HER POST WITH THE ULDC IT IS A REPEAL AND REPLACE OF OUR ZONING THAT. >> IT'S NOT AT >> DEVELOPMENT PETITION TO REZONE IT TAKE KILLER PROPERTY. SO THE STANDARDS AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS. FOR IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT IS A CITYWIDE REZONING AND REPEALING AND REPLACING THE ENTIRE SOUNDING NOT. >> AND AND THE ORDINANCES WILL STATE THAT WE ARE REPEALING. THE EXISTING ULDC. WE REPEAL IT IN THE SAME ORDINANCE WE COMPLETELY REPLACE IT AND THEN A NEW ZONING MAP AS WE CAN. WE CALL IT A REZONING JUST OUT OF CONVENIENCE IT IS NOT IT IS AN ENTIRELY NEW ZONING MAP THAT IS A DOCKET SO IT DOES NOT AS IS THE ATTORNEY SAID DOES NOT FALL UNDER. ANY EXISTING. ULDC PROVISION BECAUSE THOSE PROVISIONS WILL NO LONGER BE THE LAW WHEN WE ADOPT THAT ZONING WITH THE COMMISSION ADOPTS THAT SOMETHING. >> THE OTHER ONE IS ON TO STATE DICTATES THAT THE COMMISSION HAVE TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO NOTIFY EACH PROPERTY OWNER. THAT I'M SORRY. >> POINT OF ORDER I'M NOT THAT I THINK THAT WE ALL. >> LET'S LET ME SUGGEST IN FAIRNESS TO COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, LET'S HELP MAKE A DOC TONIGHT. >> I ALREADY TRIED THAT MAYOR AND I SUGGESTED TO HAVE IT ON THURSDAY AND YOU GUYS ALREADY SAID HE WANTED TO DO TONIGHT, SO LET'S CONTINUE. BUT NO I I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT IT STAFF WORK IT IS NOT REGULAR PROCESS TONIGHT I WANT TO DISCUSS TONIGHT QUESTION. >> THE SECOND ITEM REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO DO SOMETHING BASED ON STATE STATUTE THAT STAFF SAID THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW KNOW. 6 DOES NOT REQUIRE THE SEND OUT. NOTICES TO EVERY PARCEL OWNER IN THE CITY. >> WHEN WE ADOPT A BRAND NEW ZONING MAP OR YOU OUT TO SEA. DO NOT HAVE TO SEND TO CITY. >> NOT SAYING THAT IT SAYS CONTIGUOUS 10 ACRES UNLESS LESS THAN 10 CONTINUES ACTORS EXACTLY THEY HAVE TO BE MAILED OUT AND THE COMMISSION HAS TO DIRECT THAT. >> WE ARE REZONING THE ENTIRE AND HAS MORE 10 CONTIGUOUS ACRES, IT'S OPTIONAL UNDER THE STATUTE TO MAIL NOTICES TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE >> ALAINA DID THE RESEARCH CAME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT $200,000 IF THEY WANT TO SEND A NOTICE BY MAIL. >> AFTER PROPERTY ARE THE CITY OF THIS REZONING AND ULDC REWRITE. >> THIS NEXT ONE I AM GOING TO ASK. WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I FEEL. THAT WE NEED TO DO THAT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT STATE STATUTE REQUIRES FOR ANY REZONING WHETHER IT'S A CITY OR ANYTHING IS THAT WE NOTIFY THE AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THIS REZONING THAT THE PROPERTIES BEING REZONED. BY NOTIFYING ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED CREATES THAT TRUST BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS IN OUR CITIZENS. IT IS A 100% TRANSPARENT. TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REFERENDUM JUST LAST COUPLE OF DAYS YESTERDAY ABOUT. CREATING INTEREST IN SHOW THAT WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS WITH MONEY AND THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS TOWARDS OUR CITIZENRY BY NOT NOTIFYING OUR HOUR. PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS BEING RE ZONE. IN MY OPINION IS NOTHING LESS THAN ETHICAL IT'S UN-AMERICAN AND IT'S WRONG AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S GOING TO COST $200,000. BUT AT THE SAME TIME. OUR PROPERTY OWNERS NEED TO BE NOTIFIED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. I'M STILL GETTING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE AND ARE SAYING I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS. YES WE HAVE WORKSHOPS, YES, IT IS. >> PUBLICLY ADVERTISE IT AS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION JUST IS THAT SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAID THAT EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS I WILL BE HAPPY TO BUT I WASN'T I WAS EXPLAINING WHY I SAY I THINK WHERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT BUT EVEN THOUGH SHE MAY HAVE I WILL MAKE A AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT YESTERDAY DURING A CASE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. ♪ GRAHAM >> ALL OF THE PROPOSED PROPOSED REZONING SPECIFICALLY TO THE ALREADY RESIDENTIAL ZONES IS. CURRENT REZONING OF THIS MAGNITUDE ALL OF WHAT'S ON TAP FOR ESPECIALLY IN THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS DON'T EVEN WANT TO NOTIFY THE LANDOWNERS IF WHEN THERE'S AN EXCHANGE. IT IS DISGUSTING TO DO THIS TO THE ALREADY RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEM WHO LOVE AND CALL NORTH PORT HOME. THERE ARE PLENTY OF ACTIVITY CENTERS TO SPRUCE UP AND MAKE THE MOST START THERE. NOT BY ANDRIUS LEE MOLESTING THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES. NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY HAVE CAN. MY FAVORITE SUBJECT BETTER. >> KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN HOLDING MEETINGS RESIDENTS REGARDING THE REZONING I JUST DO FEEL THAT BABY AS A COMMISSION BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG UNDERTAKING. WE DO KNOW ALL YOU NEED TO BUT SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, NO ONE KNOWS IF THEY'RE GETTING REZONE MY MEETINGS I STARTED HOLDING THEM BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND I HAVE RICHARD BROWN 20 CITIZENS. AT THE MEETINGS AND EACH MEETING IT'S A WHOLE BRAND NEW CITIZENS. SO I DON'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO WORK ON ANY IDEAS WITH HAD TO MAKE IT BETTER I SPEND THOSE MEETINGS EDUCATING EVERYONE SO HAVE THIS REZONING GO THROUGH ALL THESE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IT WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE LIKE THOSE LADY'S SLIPPER. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE GETTING REZONE THEY JUST FOUND OUT IN. JANUARY AND THEN I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING THESE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS SINCE APRIL THIS MEETING IS GOING ON NOW THERE'S EXACTLY 22 PEOPLE WATCHING IT NOW SO THERE'S 80 1000 PEOPLE IN PORT. AT LEAST NOTIFY THE PEOPLE WERE THESE THE INTO SMALLER AREAS ACTIVITIES 106 AND ACTIVITY CENTER 10. MAYBE THE SET OF 6 PRETTY MUCH ABOUT IT ACTIVITY CENTER 10 THE PEOPLE ALONG PLACE. LADY SEPARATE IN HOLES LITTLE AREAS, YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROPERTIES IT'S GOING TO BE BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO LET THEM KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL MAKE A MOTION MAYOR GOING MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT THE APPROPRIATE CHARTER OFFICER TO NOTIFY BY US NOW ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING DATE AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST TIER. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEWSPAPER ADVERTISEMENT. RENDITION TO I SHOULD SAY NOT IN CONTENTION. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR CITY PARK AND YOU REPEAT THAT BACK I CANNOT MOTION TO DIRECT THE APPROPRIATE CHARTER OFFICER. >> TO NOTIFY BY US MAIL. ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING DAYS. DATES FOR ALL. AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST HEARING. >> IF I MAY ADD ONE WORD. >> INCLUDING ALL THE PUBLIC HEARING DATES. AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST HEARING. >> THAT WOULD BE FINE WE'VE GOT THAT OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE MOTION AS STATED BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, AND I THINK THE CITY CLERK GOT THAT THANK BY THE TAPPING OF HER FINGERS THERE I HAVE A SECOND. ALL RIGHT AND THAT FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT WENT INTO EFFECT WENT INTO EFFECT LAST YEAR SENATE BILL 2.15. SENATE BILL RELATES TO NOT HAVING ANY. WELL THEN THE SECOND. IT IN A NUTSHELL BASICALLY FORBIDS ANY CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME IT IS RETROACTIVE TO WHEN HURRICANE IAN MADE LANDFALL. AND BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THERE ARE MANY SEGMENTS AND THIS PROPOSED CODE THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND I JUST WANTED TO SEE IT. IT WAS AN APPETITE TO CITY REVIEW THIS. SO WE CAN PROCEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE STATE WHICH IS ALSO IN EFFECT ALL THE WAY UNTIL 2025. IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS IF GO AHEAD MAKE A MOTION NUMBER IS THAT I'M SORRY EVERYBODY WORE NUMBER 4 O K. >> THE CITY STAFF AS WELL AWARE OF SENATE BILL A >> HOUSE BILL ONE WHICH MODIFIED. THAT EMERGENCY LEGISLATION. WE HAVE REVIEWED IT WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL. THEY HAVE PROVIDED US. >> WELL A LEGAL REVIEW THAT SPELLS AND HOW THEY ARE UP LOCAL APPLICABLE TO THE CITY'S ULDC REWRITE WE DO HAVE A PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER BILL BY INCORPORATING THE CLAWBACK PROVISION AND THE GENERAL PROVISIONS OF THE ULDC AND WHERE WE ARE CERTAIN. WHERE WE ARE BOTTOM ABUNDANTLY CERTAIN THAT A REGULATION WHAT COULD BE DEEMED MORE RESTRICTIVE. WE WILL BE MAKING SOME OF THOSE NEW PROVISIONS IN THE CODE OF ACTIVE ON EXPIRATION OF THE BILL WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN 2027 NOW I BELIEVE IT'S TOO 2027. SO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE YOU KNOW WHAT RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME CAN BE VERY RESTRICTIVE. FOR EXAMPLE WHERE WE ARE EXPANDING THE PERMITTED USES IN SOME DISTRICTS OF LIMITING OTHERS. OUR OPINION. WE ARE NOT MAKING THE MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING THE ALLOWABLE USES FOR THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WE WILL HAVE A GENERAL CLAWBACK PROVISION. AND IF I I BELIEVE WE SKIPPED OVER NUMBER 3. >> IT WAS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY CAN BE DOING QUESTIONS YEAH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE 180 DAY >> ACTUALLY THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT OFF-ICE FOR EXPEDITED STATE REVIEW. SO ONCE WE TRANSMIT WE SHOULD GET ABOUT COMMENTS FROM THE STATE WITHIN 30 TO US. >> OKAY SO COMMISSIONER COUNTED YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON ♪ >> I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE ANALYSIS WAS FROM THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL OR WHOEVER DID IT BECAUSE ♪ IF IT. >> EXCUSE ME. IF THE. >> EFFECTIVE DATE OF CERTAIN RESTRICTIVE COMPONENTS OF THE ULDC REWRITE IS AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF 2027. THAT MAY I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THOSE. RESTRICTIONS ARE. THAT THEY HAVE FOUND TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND MAYBE HOW DOES IT PLAY OUT WITH THE BUFFERING BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES THAT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE IS THE BUFFERING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ARE THEY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP UNTIL 2027 ARE THEY GOING TO FOLLOW. SO WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION. >> ALL RIGHT SO LESSER OF IT IS NOT REVIEWING EVERY PURPOSE AND I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATION ON EACH PROFESSION ACCOUNT ONE HAVE A GENERAL CLAWBACK CODE I THAT PROVISION AND THE CUBS. THAT SAYS IF IT'S DEEMED TO BE MORE IT WILL TO THE EXISTING CODE. WE HAVE I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WE NOW THAT REQUIRING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO PLANT TO TRACE AS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE FIRE TRUCKS. THEY'RE REQUIRED RIGHT NOW SO THAT PARTICULAR. LINE ITEM IN THE CODE. WELL AFFECTIVE EITHER ON EXPIRATION SENATE BILL 2.50 HOUSE BILL ONE OR. ARE ONE REPEALS SO WE AS STAFF ARE LOOKING AT THOSE AND WE'RE MAKING WILL BE INCORPORATING ALL RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THE FINAL DRAFT COMES TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND AGAIN RELY ON THAT ALL THAT PROVISION AND CHAPTER ONE OF THE GENERAL PROVISIONS TO PROTECT THE CITY. POTENTIAL LIABILITY IN REGARD TO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT STATE LAW. JUST JUST TOO SURE. >> THE. >> LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED ULDC WAS IN DECEMBER AT THE WORKSHOP. AND THERE'S BEEN A FEW MEETINGS WITH CITY MANAGER AND THE NORTH PORT 92 WORD HE WAS SAYING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE ADOPTED IN APRIL. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THAT SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I WAS BRINGING THESE ITEMS FORWARD AND I WENT OH MY GOSH WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. THE PUBLIC I WANTED TO SHARE THAT I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT OUR CHAMBERS MAY NOT BE LARGE ENOUGH FOR THE MEETING. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE BEFORE WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY HOLD THE MEETING HERE AND HAVE TO DELAYED THE MEETING OR POSTPONE IT OR CONTINUE IT OR WHATEVER THAT FANCY WORD IS SO I THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR TO THINK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION. WE HAVE NOT HAD A FORMAL. UPDATE TO THE ULDC TIMELINE. AND APRIL OF 2023. WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 23. AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT NOW EARLY 2024 AND THEN NOW APRIL 24. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE US WITH AN UPDATE TO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE REALISTIC THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE CITIZENRY AND UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREALISTIC. REQUESTS SINCE IT'S NOW GOING ON FOR MONTHS OR ALMOST 4 MONTHS SINCE WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION. >> IN THE. >> PREVIOUS ULDC CONSULTANTS. THERE WERE CHARETTE THAT WERE REQUIRED AND I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HAVING PUBLIC MUCH LESS FORMAL THAN PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND I WANTED TO JUST SEE IF THERE WAS AN APPETITE FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE A PUBLIC CHARETTE POSSIBLY 2 ON 2 DIFFERENT DATES TO KIND OF ALERT CITIZENS AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THEM COME. YOU KNOW TO THESE MEETINGS AND THEN SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. I. WANTED TO SEE ABOUT MAYBE MAKING A MOTION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES INCLUDE SHOW HAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT DONE. I IT WAS PART OF THE CONSULTING REQUIREMENTS NOW THAT STAFF IS DOING IT. I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULDN'T REQUIRE FROM OUR STAFF. SO MAYOR WILL MAKE A MOTION. HAVE THE CITY MANAGER CONDUCT TOO. PRIOR TO ABS HEARING. WE HAVE A MOTION. >> FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO CONDUCT TO SURE ET'S. PRIOR TO. >> I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THAT'S HEARING. HEARING. SO I HAVE A SECOND. AND I DON'T CARE SECOND. >> ALL >> THERE WERE. IT. >> IT'S JUST BEEN RECENTLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE CHAMBER IS REVIEWING THE ULDC. AND I BELIEVE SOME ADVISORY BOARDS HAVE REVIEWED IT AND ALSO SOME DEVELOPERS. >> AND IT WOULD INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. >> THAT JUST TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS BUT TO KIND OF SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION WHAT WHERE THEY'RE LEANING. >> SO HOPEFULLY THOSE DOCUMENTS CAN BE SHARED WITH US. WE ALSO HAD A. MULTIPLE CONSENSUS IS AND REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. DURING THESE WORKSHOPS. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FOLLOW-UPS ON THOSE SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THAT WILL TAKE PLACE BASED ON THOSE CONSENSUS IS AND REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MOSTLY TEXT. CHAPTER 2 I THINK IS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED GETTING CONSENSUS ISN'T ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO MAYBE WHEN THE CITY MANAGER PROVIDES US WITH A TIMELINE. THAT COULD BE INCLUDED. THE DEFINITIONS. DEFINITIONS ARE EVERYTHING AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN REVIEW THOSE YET THEY'RE SO MAYBE THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN THE TIMELINE. I'LL BE HONEST WITH IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS IN TOTALITY AT FIRST READING WE PROBABLY NEED TO SEE TOTALITY PRIOR TO FIRST READING. SO THAT WAY THEN IT GOES A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER ESPECIALLY SINCE STAFF IS SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE ORDINANCES THAT ARE COMING FORWARD AT THE SAME TIME IS OUR FIRST READING. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT I SEE THAT THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR OTHER MOTIONS BUT I WILL ASK FOR ONE MORE. AND THEN WE'LL CALL IT A NIGHT. MAKE A MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE A ULDC UPDATE, INCLUDING A TIME LINE THAT IS REALISTIC TO STAFFS CONSTRAINTS AND REQUIREMENTS OF GETTING EVERYTHING DONE. IN THE BORDER. AND THAT BE PROVIDED TO THE CONSIST TO THE COMMISSION AND UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> OKAY WE HAVE. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. A CLERK IN BACK. >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE ULDC UPDATE, INCLUDING A REALISTIC TIMELINE STAFFING REQUIREMENTS OF EVERYTHING GETTING DONE IN ORDER TO IT TO COMMISSION AN UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ♪ DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> NOT HEARING A SECOND. THAT MOTION FAILS. >> IT'S REALLY A SHAME BECAUSE THESE THESE WERE THINGS TO HELP OUR CITIZENS. >> HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT HAPPENING TO THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY AND I COULDN'T EVEN GET A SECOND ANY OF THESE MOTIONS I I SEE HOW THIS IS MOVING FORWARD AND I THINK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME I'M DONE. THANK YOU. A LOT OF TIME LOT OF THANK HELP CITIZENS ANY PUBLIC CHRISTINA SMITH. >> STARTING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 5, ON TOLEDO BLADE. IT IS NOT REASONABLE TO REZONE THE PLOT TO MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IMPROVED ON TOLEDO BLADE WITH THE CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS I E ADDING AN INTERSECTION FOR THE I 75 RAMPS THAT SECTION OF TOLEDO BLADE HAS BECOME A HOTSPOT STUDENTS AND ITS UNFORTUNATELY NORMAL TO SEE THE CRANBERRY TOLEDO BLADE INTERSECTION BACKED UP CARS BECAUSE OF FOLKS TRYING TO I 75 NORTH HAS ALREADY ON FOR DAILY COMMUTERS. ADDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS WILL WORSEN THIS AREA'S TRAFFIC EXPONENTIALLY AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ALSO ARE TRACKING STATE DECADE WAITING FOR IMPROVED. INFRASTRUCTURE IF THOUGH BIDEN PRICE PROJECT IS ANY INDICATION ALSO THE PROPOSED AREA FOR BUILDING IS VERY PRONE TO FLOODING AS THE CITY NOT REMEMBER HURRICANE IAN POULTER PARKING ON I 75 TO KAYAK SUPPLIES INTO THAT STATE AND VEHICLES BEING WASHED AWAY BECAUSE OF THE THERE. WHAT WILL THAT MEAN FOR THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS KNOWING THEY WANT REMOTELY HAVE RESOURCES THAT THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS DO IN THE STATES TO SOMEWHAT COMBAT A NATURAL DISASTER. THERE'S PLENTY MORE SUITABLE LAND TO LOOK AT BUILDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN PORT WITHOUT FAMILY THAT BREAST, BUT THE NEXT HURRICANE BUILDING ON EXISTING WETLANDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT BUILDING IS ON AVOIDABLE WHEN SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSTATE IN THE END. BUT WE NEED MORE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL IS SOMETHING HAS TO BE BUILT EVERY DO NOT WANT TO BECOME LIKE. EXITS ON THE INTERSTATE ARE BACKED UP FOR MILES BECAUSE THAT CITY DID NOT FOCUS ENOUGH ON IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN THEY HAVE A CHANCE. THESE DO NOT ALLOW THE PLOT TO BE RESENT MULTIFAMILY UNITS PERSONALLY HAVE ROBIN SAVAGE ♪ ♪ OK THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT COMMISSION >> I'M JUST BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO THAT'S VICE COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> A QUESTION FOR US THAT A CLERK IF I SEND YOU A HARD COPY E-MAIL WANTING GATHER TOO. THIS OKAY I WILL DO THAT THEN THANK YOU ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH, I HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT TO REQUEST THAT THE CITY CLERK INCLUDED SHEET THAT I PASSED TO THE BACKUP MATERIALS FOR MY AGENDA ITEM AND IF YOU NEED EMOTIONAL BE HAPPY TO DO IT. WE NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU OKAY. COMMISSIONER EMRICH. >> I KNOW IT'S LATE I JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THAT WE HAVE ALL ATTENDED CUB SCOUT PILOT DERBY AND WHAT A DAY THAT IS EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT'S AMAZING AND AND JUST THE JOY OF THOSE KIDS SPACE AND WATCHING THAT BRAZEN THE CAMARADERIE THAT THEY HAD WAS A GREAT GREAT MORNING SAYING THAT'S ALL JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT NOTICED. >> THAT WAS PACKED TO 57. YES I THAT'S RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT A CHARTER ATTORNEY ANYTHING BEYOND CITY CLERK. CITY MANAGER YEAR. OKAY, SO. >> IT IS 5.59 WHAT WE DID MAKE IT 6 OK I 59 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.