>> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL US ON THE  AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR  PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT  WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH  PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO  TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT A BLOW  FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE  THAT NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL  DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE  OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN UNDER  UNDER THE AGE OF SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED  SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU WANT  TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR  NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO  SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT  THE AQUATIC CENTER AND  ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO  COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA  WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES  THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO  THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED  MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS  THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE  MILESTONE CAN CONTINUE MOVING  ON THROUGH THEM AND AT THE END  OF IT IT'S A PRETTY AWESOME  PROGRAM WHEN THEY GRADUATE  IT'S ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS  THAT THEY DO IS THEY JUMP IN  FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY HAVE TO  TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON THE  BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO  SCREAM FOR HELP AND POINT IN  TIME, IT'S JUST AN AWESOME  SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT LEADS  RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO SWIM  PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE CAN  MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR  KIDS SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE  WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW  REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL  PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN  DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE  5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT  EXCELLENT SO TELL PEOPLE WHAT  IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE  PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID  WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT AND  AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS  TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON  RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS  INTERESTING VERY AREA WHEN HE  FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING  BINS SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO  LET'S TRY TO TELL THE PEOPLE  HOW TO RECYCLE MOST COMMON  THING I FIND FRANCIS PLASTIC  BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER FOR THE RECYCLE WITH  HIM AND MISSION LINK THAT'S  RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE  CONTAINERS. AND THEY SHOULD BE  YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY  STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH OR  DO SEE A LOT OF RECYCLING  INSIDE THE CONTAINERS OF I  COME ACROSS A LOT WANT TO DO  THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET  EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S  IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS  SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE  PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME  AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR  BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR  HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE  DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND  THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T  WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE  AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE  THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK  ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU  MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF  TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO  YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO  THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED  RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97  POINT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS.  >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE  GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE  USED TO DETERMINE THE  LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF  YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR  HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES  ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA  THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL  HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR  HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT  WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL  TO 72 HOURS AFTER  ♪ THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS THE  WATER BUILT TO GET THE STUFF  THAT CAME OUT FOR ROOM AND THE  ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT  WHEN IT REACHES THE HABITAT IT  NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS IN  ♪ IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT THEIR ROADS. ROADWAYS ANY  OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN  YOU SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW  UP TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL  PRODUCTS FACILITY MANAGER WITH  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND  TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED  EVALUATIONS SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  MORE DOING THAT'S SOMETHING  YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL  HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL  ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS  WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE  WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A  SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS  CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I  CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE  CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK  SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK  DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND  WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE  TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST  TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A  CHALLENGE FOR THEM AT THAT  POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT  WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN  GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD  UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL  THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE  HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN  WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE  DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCED FROM  A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE  YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR  EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN  SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN  THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO  ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN  YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS  SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR  PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND  HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY  TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A  DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S  HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM 3RD OPTION WOULD BE  GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH  MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK  AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION  WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR  EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA  COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY  SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE  FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT  NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK  ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT  ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF IN THE  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG  SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN  EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR  PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING  AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED  BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER  SATURATED SOILS WITH  BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS  THE GROUND IS TOTALLY  SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE  RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE  SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF  ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO  79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS.  >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION  DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH  EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF  WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED  DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED.  WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE  DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE  CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS  RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF  THE WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT NORTH PORT  IS PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT.  >> IT CAR AS IT CAN RAIN  EVENTS AND CREDIT 2024. IT IS  10:00AM WE'RE IN THE CHAMBERS.  >> SO I CALLED THIS MEETING TO  ORDER PRESENT OUR COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL COMMISSIONER, LANGDON  MYSELF MAYOR WHITE VICE MAYOR  STOKES AND COMMISSIONER EMRICH  SO THERE IS A FARM PRESENT FOR  THIS MEETING. THEY ALSO HAVE  CITY MANAGER LET YOUR CITY  ATTORNEYS SLAYTON CITY CLERK  BOUNCED SPECIALIST. I SAW  CHIEF GARRISON BACK THERE AND.  DEPUTY CHIEF FIRE HURLEY TITUS  IS IN THE HOUSE TO OKAY. I'D  LIKE TO ROBIN THIS SENT A TO  LEAD IN THE THAT I GET THAT  RIGHT OFF AND I'M SORRY.  ♪ >> I UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  AND TO ALL NATION UNDER GOD,  ♪ INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND  JUSTICE FOR ALL.  >> THANK YOU.  ♪ >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO  APPROVAL OF AGENDA, LOOKING  FOR A MOTION JUST HAPPEN.  >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO  APPROVE THE AGENDA SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, I'M ONE OF THE BUDGET  AMENDMENT THERE'S A AMENDMENT  ON THE AGENDA. AND IT INCLUDES  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS MOVING  FUNDS AROUND HIM OR SPRINGS.  THAT DISCUSSION IS AFTER THE  BUDGET AMENDMENT SO I'M  WONDERING YOU MIGHT NEED TO.  MOVE THE BUDGET AFTER THE ONE  OF THE SPRING, IT'S JUST  SPECIAL.  >> WE'VE WHAT THE RESOLUTION  >> I D. TO POSSIBLY AFTER 6 A.  I DON'T KNOW THEY'RE RELATED  BUT I SAW WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  EARN RESOLUTION.  >> AND WE'RE GOING TO BE  DISCUSSING OR SPRINGS.  >> SO CITY MANAGER. THAT WE'RE  SEE THE WAR BRINGS I WAS THAT  60 THAT THAT WAS JUST MENTION  THIS AT HALFTIME. AS A HALF OF  A FULL TIME AT POSITION I DO  THINK IT WILL IMPACT THAT  DECISION BUT IT'S UP TO YOU  BECAUSE DON'T THINK IT'S GOING  RIGHT YEAH.  >> THERE'S LIKE QUARTER OF A  MILLION DOLLARS SWITCHING  FARMS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS  IS PART OF THE REASON WHY NEED  TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AFTER  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. SO I  AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. ITEM  NUMBER I I DAVID 2 AFTER 6 A.  >> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION  TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO  APPROVE THE AGENDA MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO MOVE  5. DIAZ AND DAVID TO AFTER.  >> 6 AND.  >> THERE I HAVE A QUESTION WE  HAVE A AND THE SECOND THAT'S  RIGHT WE DO ON THE AGENDA,  YES, SO OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN  THAT IF ONE OF WANTS TO GO  BACK AND CHANGE WHAT WOULD BE  THE PROPER PROCEDURE AT THIS  SHERRY AMENDED IT SO THE  AMENDMENT AS THE MOTION ON  ISSUE WE WOULD NEED A SECOND  FOR THAT AMENDMENT OK. OK  THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BRINGING  THAT THERE.  >> ALSO HAVE A QUESTION YOU'RE  TALKING 5  >> MOVING 5 D THAT THE  RESOLUTION. IT IS TO IMPROVE  IT AFTER 6 A.  >> ON MY AGENDA 5 IS APPROVED  THE AWARD OF FUNDS FROM  SPECIAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM SO  DO I HAVE A DIFFERENT AGENDA  WE ALL DO.  >> I PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE'RE  DOING AGENDA CONSENT OKAY,  YOU'RE DOING. AND EVERYONE I  THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING  CONSENT. OKAY I GOT  >> OK SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON  THE FLOOR TO MOVE BY GAVE IT  TO BE 6 A ON THE. THE AGENDA  GENERAL AGENDA ITSELF LOOKING  FOR A SECOND. HERE IN SO THAT  THE AMENDMENT MOTION TO LET'S  GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL  MOTION THE JUDGE AND THE  AGENDA AS PRESENTED. LET'S  AND THAT PASSES  >> BEFORE WE GET TO A PUBLIC  COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO  AGAIN I.  >> WE HAVE ALL THE COMMISSION  I LOVE SEEING EVERYBODY HERE.  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PINK AND  THAT I MOST OF YOUR PASSIONATE  ABOUT I CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT IS  ON THIS AGENDA.  ♪ ♪ BUT I JUST WANTED TO REMIND  EVERYONE THAT WE DO HAVE RULES  UP OF DECORUM.  >> AND THAT THERE. MEETING  ATTENDEES MUST REFRAIN FROM  OBSCENE PROFANE DISORDERLY  CONDUCT, INCLUDING HAND  CLAPPING YELLING AND SIMILAR  DEMONSTRATIONS WHICH DISTURBS  THE PEACE AND GOOD ORDER OF  THE MEETING AND OF MENTION  BEFORE TO THAT IT'S IT'S ALSO  SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS THAT  THEY CAN MAKE A COMMENT EVEN  IF IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT  THE MAJORITY SPEAKING ABOUT  AND AND AGAIN I KNOW. I WENT  WHERE I'M SPEAKING IN BECAUSE  I HAVE BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE  MANY TIMES AND WAS RELUCTANT  TO GET UP AND VOICE MY OPINION  WHEN I KNEW IT WAS NOT IN LINE  WITH ALL OTHER SPEAKERS THAT  CAME BEFORE ME AND SOMETIMES I  WOULD JUST LEAVE THE MEETING  BECAUSE I WAS SO INTIMIDATED I  DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL  INTIMIDATED TO COME UP HERE  AND GIVE AND OPPOSITE SEWING  THUMBS UP THUMBS DOWN WE CAN  ALL SEE YOU DO THAT AND OTHER  PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU AS WELL SO  I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT  UP. ALRIGHT PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> WE HAVE SOME VOICE MAIL  PUBLIC OKAY.  >> DON'T KNOW FACT 1, 2, 2, 5,  1, 7, TO 7. I'M CALLING IN  REGARDS TO 3/5/2024 MEETING.  ITEM 2 PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WANT  PRIME. FOR YEARS NOW THE CITY  HAVE BEEN ELECTED THE  PROPERTY.  >> I SEE A KNOWN WHAT DO WITH  THE PROPERTY AT THAT IS PUBLIC  COMMENT  >> AND OPINION.  >> A WORKSHOP AND THAT'S YOUR  PLAN AND LATER. AGAINST  CITIZENS SPOKEN THEY WANT PLAY  SUSPECTED ANY DEVELOPMENT ON  THE PROPERTY. THEY WANT TO BE  THE PUBLIC PARK AND IT SHOULD  I LIKE TRIAL AND THEY WANT TO  PUBLIC ENJOYMENT PROSPERITY  RIGHT WE'RE PRAYING AND THE  THANK YOU. AND GET.  >> THINK IT CREATE YOU KNOW  HIT IT AND PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> I WANT TO COMMISSIONERS  HAVE NOT A QUESTION MY MIND  COMPANY HAD COMPLETE PERCENT  VOTE THAT POTENTIAL. CLEAR  MISSION THE WAY THEY COULD NOT  A THAT IT CANCEL COULD COME  PEOPLE TO COME IT'S HAPPENS  WITH GOING ON A AND YOU ABOUT  THE TODAY WE'RE GOING BE A  TURNING IN A A GO BETWEEN 2024  ON A BETWEEN 2122 20 PEOPLE IN  THE NAVY WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD  BETWEEN 2020 THOUGHT THAT BEEN  FILED TO THE YOU THAT IN END  THE 2023 WANT WE DON'T 300  500. CAUGHT UP TO PROVIDE THE  RIGHT KIND OF UP BECAUSE GOING  BEEN BUT COMMISSIONERS ACRES  TO MAKE YOU UP A LITTLE BIT AT  YOU ACRES THE COMMUNITY ARE  THAT KNOW ABOUT IT YOU WANT  KNOW A THAT WILL BE ABLE BUILD  UP THAT THEY WENT TO A QUARTER  ACRE INDIVIDUALLY ON A ON  MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUAL DONORS  AND YOU COULD HAVE ABLE TO  COMMUNICATE AND IMPACT THE  FINANCIALLY TO BACK BOUGHT IT  I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS  TO ADDRESS  FUNDING MORE THAT I  PHONE NUMBER TREATING ALL  >> 3, 9, FOR ISLAND THAT  IN NORTH PORT WITH RECORD TO  THE MARCH IT. IT BEING OUT  10:00AM. MEAN GOING OR TO ADD  ALL PLOT TREE 20 FROM WETLAND  TO BUILD THE WALL.  ♪ ♪ IT THAT WE DO NOT READ CAME  FROM A WEAPONS TO BUILDABLE  KENLEY AND DURING A HURRICANE  TRUCKS WERE SWALLOWED UP AND  PEOPLE IT APPLIED BE A A AND  WOW WHAT ALREADY BEING  COMPROMISED  IT GOING ON IT THEN THE LEGAL  WELL AND THEY ARE UP TO  DEVELOPMENT UP WELL I NEED TO  TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND  CERTAINLY INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE  PUT IN PLACE BEFORE  ANY DEVELOPMENT FOR CITY  OF NORTH PORT NEED TO BUILD  ALL I MY COMMUNITY AND WITH  THE DOWNTOWN WALKABLE AREA AND  SHOP AND RESTAURANT. TO GO TO  PLAN DO THAT OR TOLEDO BLADE  PRIDE BUT NOT WHEN YOU'RE  LOOKING TO DESTROY MORE THEY  DON'T NEED THAT.  >> URSULA TO CRACK. PLEASE  LISTEN TO YOUR CITIZENS VOICE  THE SURVEY FROM 2020 FOR ALL  THE 2019 PLAN, NO DEVELOPMENT  OF HOUSES CONDOS HOTELS ON THE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, AN  ADJACENT AREA PROTECT OUR EYE.  WHEN GOT TO TELL HERE PLEASE  KEEP ALL 80 ACRES PART  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS STATE  PARK ONTARIO. IT'S THAT GOOD  WITH SIGNIFICANT ENDANGER  SPECIES CALLING PLAN HOME  MANATEE SEEKING REFUGE HERE  AND A WARM NATURAL SPRING IN  FLORIDA, THIS SHOULD NOT BE  RUN BY THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  IS SHOULD BE AT THE VERY LEAST  A SARASOTA COUNTY PARK BUT IT  REALLY SHOULD HAVE FLORIDA  STATE PARK DESIGNATION WHY  CAN'T THE GOVERNMENT OF PORT  SEE THE SIGNIFICANCE AND HOW  MUCH MORE THIS AREA WOULD YOU  KNOW OR ITS UNIQUENESS IF IT  HAD STATE OR COUNTY BACKING  THIS AMAZING PROPERTY. THE  PEOPLE OF PORT HAS SPOKEN THEY  WANT THIS AREA WITH LOW IMPACT  AND TO REMAIN PARKLAND LISTEN  TO YOUR CITIZENS PRESERVE THE  LAND SURROUNDING THE SPRING  STATE NATURE. THE TREES, WELL  I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY  TO SUBMIT THIS COMMENT. IT HAS  BEEN SAID THAT A CITY SHOULD  ESSENTIALLY ON THEIR BEST  ASSET BASE TAKE INTO THE FACT  THAT THERE ARE MANY  ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS OF NORTH  PORT THAT RESONATE. LAURA  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS ONE OF  NOT TO MENTION FACT THAT  HISTORY BEHIND IT ALL. BEHIND  IT AS WELL AS THE NEXUS TO OUR  WATER SOURCES IN THAT AREA,  THANK YOU FOR YOUR  CONSIDERATION ON THIS MATTER.  THAT TO TAKE IT LIST PROPERTY  THAT HAS NO NATION AND WORLD  WIDE AND TURN IT INTO A MONEY  GRAB WHAT ABSOLUTE  DEVASTATION, THE SPRINGS HOLDS  SO MANY MEMORIES FOR  GENERATIONS AND 4. I RECKON  AS NORTH PORT KEEPS GROWING.  THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE  REALLY HAVE TO I LOVE THAT  MAKES YOU TRULY ENJOY AND  APPRECIATE OUR SURROUNDINGS  FOR WHAT IT IS AND STILL COULD  MY GRANDPARENTS TOOK MY  PARENTS HERE AND WHAT'S MY  FAMILY RELOCATED TO FLORIDA WE  SPEND A LOT OF OUR WEEKEND  THERE AND EVEN TO THIS DAY AS  A MOTHER MYSELF I KEPT THAT  TRADITION AND TAKE MY SON NOW  IT'S OK TO GROW, BUT IT'S ALSO  OK TO GROW IN THE RIGHT PLACES  DESTROYING SOMETHING THAT HAS  BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 10,000  YEARS ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS  WELL I WAS ALREADY BEING  DRIVEN OUT OF THEIR HOMES ON A  DAILY BASIS AND DESTROYING  MORE THAN NATURAL HABITAT IS  DISGRACEFUL. HAVE A 100% NORTH  PORT HAS BEEN FEELING LESS AND  LESS LIKE A COMMUNITY AND MORE  LIKE EVER DEVELOPED CITY THAT  CAN'T HANDLE SIMPLE TRAFFIC.  WE DON'T NEED MORE BUILDINGS,  WE NEED A COMMUNITY BALLOTING  FOR SHE ATION BUT WE WILL NOT  HAVE EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN  HERE FOR HUMANS EVEN SET FOOT  ON THIS LAND IS DEMOLISHED AND  REPLACED WITH ANOTHER USELESS  COATING. WELL THAT'S ABOUT  PLEASE USE THE SURVEY FROM  2023 ALL NORTH PORT PEOPLE  WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK WITHOUT ANY  DEVELOPMENT CASE KEEP THE PARK  NATURAL AND ON ABOUT FOR  PEOPLE FROM THE CITY AND  VISITORS TO ENJOY IT. KIND OF  WEALTH BUT THEY ALL FOR  STUDENTS TO THE CITY FOR  REPLACING THE BROKEN RAMP ON  THE WEST SIDE OF THE SPRING.  SO QUICKLY. WE CHERISH THE  SPRINGS ARE RELIEVED TO KNOW  THAT A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE  CITY AND GLOOM IS NOT  HAPPENING WHICH BRINGS US BACK  TO SQUARE ONE HOW TO FORWARD  FROM HERE THE BEST IDEA CAME  IN A LETTER TO THE SUN ON  SUNDAY WHERE AND GETTING BLACK  WELL LAID OUT WHAT WOULD BE  RESORT BASED ON ECO TOURISM  WHAT LODGES AND NATIVE PLANTS  MADE HARMONY WITH THE FRAGILE  ENVIRONMENT AND UTILIZING  LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL STUDENTS  TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE AND  PROFITABLE ECOVILLAGE BUT  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS ON THE  CUTTING EDGE OF GULF COAST,  WHERE THANK YOU. PERSON I HAVE  A LOOSE THE ALL BY PAT BROWNS.  >> AND MONICA THERE YOU GO  AGAIN.  >> I REALLY LIKE THIS FORMAT  REALIZE THAT THIS IS A WAY TO  EVEN SAY ANYTHING IT'S SCHOOL  BUSINESS GOVERNMENT AND I  THOUGHT THAT'S A PLACE THAT  HAD ACTUALLY PLACE YOU CAN  HAVE AN WE SIT HERE I'D LIKE  TO HEAR ANSWERS SO THE  QUESTIONS WE POSE, BUT I DO  FEEL LIKE TALKING TO A WALL.  ♪ ♪ >> LOOK AT  >> YOU'RE ALL HERE TO BE HERE  TO HELP WORK WORK FOR THE  CITIZENS WHO ELECTED YOU. ARE  WE STORE OUR WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK WITH THE MASTER  PLAN FOR 2002. WE MADE OUR  VOICES HEARD AGAIN. AND THEN  WE JUST HAVE THAT SURVEY THAT  WE JUST PAID FOR AND THEY SAID  EXACTLY THE SAME THING. I KNOW  THAT SOMEBODY AND SOME PEOPLE  TRIED SORT OF DOWNPLAY THE  VALIDITY OF THAT SURVEY. BUT I  WAS HERE I WAS RIGHT HERE WHEN  THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE SURVEY  GOT HERE WITH THE SURVEY ON  THIS BIG SCREENS WE LOOK AT  ALL THE NUMBERS AND LIKE ANY  9% OF THE PEOPLE SAID DO  THAT'S UP THE SPRINT. SO WE  HAD MISTER PLANT AND THEN WE  HAD THE SURVEY. I JUST I'M NOT  SURE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY  IT'S A CONTINUOUS THING TO TRY  AND BULLDOZE THE LAND IN PORT.  IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE LOSING  ACRES EVERYDAY ACRES AND  SOMETIMES 10'S OF ACRES AND  HUNDREDS OF A SO. I'M NOT SURE  HOW IN CLEAR CONSCIENCE. I  WONDER HOW IN CLEAR  CONSCIENCE. IT WOULD PUT AWAY  OUR LOURDES PARK SPACE HOW CAN  THAT HAPPEN. YOU MONEY IS IT  FOR PRINTS STAGE IS SET TO  INCREASE YOUR RESUME PUT  SOMETHING YOU DO ON YOUR SKILL  SET. TALKING TO THE WALL. JUST  SO OUR WARM MIDDLE  >> THE CITY OF NORTH PORT HAS  THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER  ITS RENOVATION PLANS FOR WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS.  >> I URGE YOU TO PRESERVE THIS  NATURAL ASSET AND UNIQUE  GEOLOGICAL WONDER BY  MAINTAINING NOT EXPANDING  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  FOOTPRINT. IN ADDITION TO ITS  HISTORIC GEOLOGICAL AND  ARCHAEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IS ALSO  HOME TO MANY ENDANGERED GOPHER  TORTOISE IS VERY EXCUSE ME IN  THE 60 ACRES OF MATURE FOREST.  IT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED OR  HOTELS AND RESIDENTIAL  CONSTRUCTION. IT MAKES NO  SENSE. THE TORTOISES AND OTHER  WILDLIFE SHOULD NOT BE  DISTURBED OR REMOVED. IN  ADDITION MANAGED TO SEE THE  WAR OF WATERS DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE SPRINGS DURING THE WINTER  MONTHS. DON'T COMPROMISE THEIR  ACCESS TO THE WAR. AND THE  WARM WATERS. TO SURVIVE THE  COLD. CITY SPONSORED PUBLIC  OUTREACH SURVEYS SUPPORT  PRESERVATION PLAN. NOT  DEVELOPMENT OVERREACH. PLEASE  LISTEN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.  THEY ELECTED YOU TO DO THE  RIGHT THING. CITY PUBLIC  FUNDING THAT RESTORES EXISTING  STRUCTURES WHILE CONSERVING  THE 60 ACRES, A WILDLIFE  HABITAT SURROUNDING THE  SPRINGS. LET'S TALK ECONOMICS.  NORTH PORT IS THE SECOND  FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE  UNITED STATES. TAX REVENUES  SHOULD BE EXPANDING NOT  CONTRACTING. SO ALLOCATE FUNDS  FOR WARM MINERAL SPRINGS, WITH  THAT EXTRA REVENUE. WE'RE  ASKED THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE  LIKE I THINK YOU'RE SUPPOSED  TO DO OR TRIED TO DO. IT  DOESN'T MAKE THE SPRINGS AS AN  OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRING  WHICH ALSO BRINGS FROM EXPLORE  YOUR OPTIONS USING PUBLIC  FUNDS RENOVATED BUT PRESERVE  NO COMPROMISE THE NATURAL  HABITAT. FOREST FOXES AND  TORTOISES. WELL THANK YOU AND  SO WHAT YOUR CITIZENS.  >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS  MONICA PALICKI AND I LIVE IN  PORT. I PURCHASED MY HOME  IN NORTH PORT 14 YEARS AGO. MY  FIRST VISIT TO  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS I FELT SO  FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE  THIS NATURAL RUSTIC OASIS OF  WARM MINERAL WATER THAT WE CAN  SWIM IN. RIGHT HERE IN MY CITY  TO ENJOY FOR A LIFETIME. OVER  THE YEARS I HAVE WATCHED  WITNESSED THE DEEPER MEANING  OF SARASOTA COUNTY MAKING IT  LARGELY JUST AVERAGE PLACE FOR  HOMES AND CONDOS WITH A FEW  PARKS IN VITRO. I WATCHED IN  DISBELIEF AS COUNTY AND CITY  COMMISSIONERS, HERE TO  SARASOTA DEFINED THE WILL OF  THE PEOPLE. I'VE SEEN LARGE  CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM  DEVELOPER DONORS GOING TO  COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNCIL  MEMBERS RE ELECTION FUNDS. I  HAVE SEEN THAT EVER OCCURRED  INCREASING POLLUTION IN OUR  WATERWAYS. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH  CORRUPTION GREED. EXCUSE AND  THIS IS WHY I HAVE COME HERE  TODAY. LANCE BASS TO  DEVELOPERS IS LIKE CRACK  COCAINE TO AN ADDICT. YOU JUST  GOT TO HAVE MORE. SEE A PIECE  OF GRASS. THE HOME ON IT.  EXPLORE EACH STUDY ONE BY FROM  NORTH TO SOUTH FROM EAST TO  WEST. SO THERE IS NO MORE. IT  WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME  BEFORE THEY SET THEIR DRUNK  WITH GREAT EYES ON PORT. SHE'S  THE BEST PIECE OF REAL ESTATE,  ONE SPRINGS, AND 6 POINT THAT  A LOT OF IT FOR A VERY NICE  PROFIT. IT'S TIME FOR ALL OF  THEIR COOKIE CUTTER HOMES AND  CONDOS TO COME UP AS FAR AS  THE EYE CAN SEE COMPLETE WITH  A PRECIOUS LITTLE BODY OF  WATER IN THE CENTER. SO THAT  WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT BUT WE  MORE PEOPLE TO GET MORE MONEY.  LET'S A BLATANT DISREGARD FOR  THE ENVIRONMENT. ECO SYSTEM  THAT HAS BEEN PLACE FOR 12,000  YEARS. RESPECT FOR HISTORY  ARCHEOLOGY IN NATURE SHOW  FULLY MISSING. A PREVIOUS HIM  THINKING THAT THE ENVIRONMENT  AND ECOSYSTEMS RECKLESSLY  REGENERATE THEMSELVES. WELL  DON'T THEY SO IT IS UP TO USE  CITY COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU  DECIDE TO GO AGAINST THE WILL  OF THE CITIZENS OF PORT.  LESSING TO FURTHER EXPLOIT TO  FACE FOREVER. CHANGE THE  NATURAL HABITAT OF THIS  PRECIOUS PLACE PIECE OF LAND  THAT WE ALL COMMENT OR MINERAL  SPRINGS. WILL FOREVER BE  REMEMBERED FOR THIS. THIS WILL  BE YOUR LEGACY.  >> DEBBY BLACKWELL CAROLINE  PRICE AND ROBBINS HAVE BEEN  SENT GOOD MORNING NEIGHBORS.  TAKING ENVIRONMENT FOR GRANTED  IS NO LONGER AN OPTION.  REMEMBER LAST SUMMER. SENSIBLE  LAND USE USE TO ENSURE GOOD  HEALTH AND NATURAL ENVIRONMENT  IS ESSENTIAL FOR CITIZENS FOR  MANATEES FOR GOPHER TORTOISES.  CHASE KEEP US COOL. IT KEEPS  CONDITION CAUSED OUT. TREES  ARE A MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE  WATER CYCLE. WE PLAYED GOOD  NOT SUFFICIENTLY AFICION THE  WATER CYCLE IS NOT JUST A  DRAWING IN 4TH GRADE SCIENCE  CLASS. IT'S REAL. WHEN SPRINGS  IS THE ONLY WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS, AND THE STATE OF  FLORIDA. WITH 51 VARIOUS  MINERALS. BUT MOST IN THE  UNITED STATES. SOMETHING  9 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A  DAY AT 85 COMFORTABLE TO DC  AND MARYLAND.  ♪ ROCK CREEK PARK. IT'S 1754  ACRES IN DC IS ONLY 63 SQUARE  MILES. IT TOOK AN ACT OF  CONGRESS TO GET THAT PARK AND  THAT TO IT AS THE SMITHSONIAN  TO WATCH PARK. CENTRAL PARK IN  NEW YORK CITY IS 840 TO 8  YEARS IN THE BIG APPLE IS 468  SQUARE MILES. SOME OF FLORIDA  HAS THE NATION'S LARGEST CITY  PARK SYSTEM OVER 46,000 ACRES.  THAT'S JUST 2 VOTES OUT 840  SQUARE MILES. 104 SQUARE  MILES. THEN ALL SPRINGS,  YEARS. LAST WEEK DURING THE  POLICE STATION DISCUSSION IT  WAS NON-STOP MENTIONED WETLAND  WILL BE MITIGATED AND TO BE  MINDFUL OF THE FORT LAUDERDALE  AREA AND LOOK FOR LOT HELPING  37 SQUARE MILES AND LOOK AT  THAT AD. NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE  THE SUNSEEKER. PROCEDURES TO  RECREATE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  INTO A LEADING EDGE. CASE ECO  TOURISM HISTORY MINDED  ESTIMATION. AND SUBSTANTIAL  SANCTUARY FOR VOTERS. IN QUIT  RATES, FLORIDA COLLEGE AND  UNIVERSITY STUDENT TALENT. SO  THE SUNS WITH DISABILITIES AND  FOR SOME KIDS, TECHNICAL  STUDENTS. 2019 PLAN WAS  APPROVED IT WAS VOTED ON BY  THE COMMISSION FOLLOW THE PLAN  AND YOU THAT'S A LITTLE PANEL  AND ALL NEW BUILDINGS COMING  IN THAT WOULD REALLY REDUCE  COSTS. I'M GOING TO MY TREE  STONEHAM DOUGLAS. SHE'S  AMAZING. MUST BE PROGRESS  CERTAINLY. BUT WE MUST ASK  OURSELVES WHAT KIND OF  PROGRESS WE WANT AND WE WANT  TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S IN THE  NAME OF PROGRESS WE WANT TO  DESTROY EVERYTHING BEAUTIFUL  IN OUR WORLD. AND CONTAMINATE  THE AIR WE BREATHE AND THE  WATER WE DRINK. SOME WERE  TROUBLE. NONE OF US HAVE BEEN  SWORN IN.  >> I'M SPEAKING ON 2 DIFFERENT  ITEMS NUMBER ONE I'M SURE YOU  RECOGNIZE MY FACE, I'M  SPEAKING ON THE 3.20. ACRE.  BUT THE 262 ACRES THAT'S UNDER  CONSTRUCTION WILL BE UNDER  CONSTRUCTION. I. OBJECT TO  HAVING YOU. SO THAT IS HIGH  DENSITY. EVEN THOUGH THE  DEVELOPER SAYING HE'S NOT  GOING TO BUILD HIGH DENSITY IN  THAT AREA THAT DOESN'T THAT IF  YOU APPROVE THAT YOU CAN. AND  IF HE SELLS THAT PROPERTIES,  SOMEBODY ELSE. THEY CAN. SO  THAT AREA IS NOT GOING TO BE  PROTECTED FROM BEING HIGH  DENSITY WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE  PHRASE THAT WAS GOING TO BE  DONE. SO. I'M ASKING YOU  PLEASE. TO REZONE THIS AS A  LOW DENSITY OR EVEN MIDDLETON  CITY. SO THAT THAT AREA HAS  EVEN LESS IMPACT IT'S GOING TO  BE IMPACTED ANYWAYS. THE OTHER  THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS  WARM MIDDLE SPRINGS. I LIVE ON  THE OTHER SIDE OF THE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS I'VE ONLY  BEEN THERE ONE TIME. BUT I  FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT AREA  NEED TO BE CONSERVED WE CANNOT  REPLICATE THAT AREA ANYWHERE  ELSE IN THE CITY. ENDANGERED  ANIMALS. A HUGE AMOUNT ON THAT  PROPERTY. FOR THE SAKE OF  SELLING IT TO DEVELOPERS AND  GETTING A BETTER TAX BASE.  IT'S CRAZY DESTROYING  SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE  REPLICATED ANYWHERE ELSE. IT'S  ONE AND DONE. I THINK WE CAN  FIND FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. TO  REFURBISH THE PROPERTY AS IT  IS NOW TO MAKE IT. SAFE FOR  PEOPLE TO USE AND HAVE THE  FACILITIES THAT THEY NEED  WITHOUT DEVELOPING. BUSINESS  CENTERS. AND HOMES IN THAT  AREA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  MORNING EVERYBODY.  >> A TOKEN WOMAN WILL SPRING  MONDAY TO CONCERN GENERALIZED  AS. CONSERVATION. AND WHAT  WE'RE DOING AS A CITY. WE ALL  KNOW THAT WE'RE GROWING CITY  WE ALL KNOW. THAT THE CITY  MANAGER WAS HIRED FOR ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT AND YOUR EXPERTISE  IS TO BE PLACED. NO ONE IS  PUTTING IT DOWN FOR THAT  YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU HIRED TO  DO. HOWEVER, IT IS UP TO THIS  COMMISSION TO PUT A ON CERTAIN  AREAS THAT NEED TO BE  PRESERVED. ONE OF THEM IS  WOMAN WILL SPRINGS. OTHER ONE  WHICH I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND  WAS THE OTHER MEETING ON THE  27TH ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION  DRIVE AREA. NOW THAT WAS PUT  ON THIS SENSITIVE PLANS WITH  THE COUNTY. ALONG WITH WOMAN  ELSE BRINGS IN SOME OTHER  PROPERTIES. SO THERE'S 248  PARCELS WITHIN THE  CONSTITUTION DRIVE AREA THAT  WOULD DEEMED HIGHLY SENSITIVE  FOR THE ENDANGERED SCRUB JAY.  AND BOTH THE TORTOISE. WHEN I  LISTEN TO THE MEETING AND I  HEARD THAT IT WAS BEING PAID  THE CONSTITUTION DRIVE I  ALMOST DIED. ONCE YOU START  DOING THAT IS NO SENSITIVITY  ON THAT LAND YOU JUST REALLY  JUST ON THE WHOLE AREA. AND  THIS IS WHAT WE SEEM TO KEEP  DOING. WE KEEP INTRUDING INTO  AREAS THAT SHOULD BE  PROTECTED. IN THE NAME  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.  AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S ON  SOME OF THE HAVE YOU SEEN THAT  THE WAY THAT WAS MADE NEXT A  CLOSE AND PUBLIX IS  DISGUSTING. AND I GUARANTEE  YOU THAT COMES HURRICANE THE  ROOFS BLOWN. IT'S JUST  HORRIBLE. SO LESLIE NEED  AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT IT HAS  TO BE DONE PROPERLY AND THAT  SMACKED RIGHT WHERE IT'S GOING  TO CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC FLOW  AND A WHOLE SORT OF PROBLEMS.  SO IF WE KEEP TAKING OVER  WETLANDS IN THE NAME OF THE  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND  HOUSING WE'RE GOING TO BE  SELLING LIMIT DOWN THE ROAD  BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE HAS  BEEN HAPPENING. HAS BEEN  AFFECTED THEY ARE NOT TRYING  TO ADAPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE AND  TO OF THAT DEVELOPMENT  EVERYTHING IS BECOMING  FRAGMENTED. AND WE CAN'T DO  THAT AS A CITY THAT HAS TO BE  AREAS IN THE HAS TO BE A  CERTAIN AREAS WHERE WE SAY NO.  THIS NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED HIS  SPEECH PROTECTED AND WE HAVE  TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TO DO THAT  OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE TOO  LATE. THERE WAS SO MANY THINGS  WE CAN BE DOING AS A CITY.  CITIES HAVE BEEN DOING IN  ORDER TO BE GREEN IT WAS THE  TIME OUT TODAY USE AND THE  CONSERVATION EFFORTS AT THE  PUTTING INTO PLAY WE NEED TO  ALSO DO THAT. THERE'S A BIG  WARNING I'LL BE BACK LATER  >> CHUCK ENGLISH AND JAMES  STAFF  >> GOOD MORNING, CHUCK  ENGLISH. RESIDENT OF PORT. BUT  THE RECORD. OVER THE LAST  COUPLE YEARS BEEN GATHERING  SIGNIFICANT PERSPECTIVE.  ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE  COMMUNITY. AS MANY OF YOU UP  THERE NOW. AND MOST OF MY  COMMUNICATIONS OR I A I.  PERSON TO PERSON BECAUSE  THAT'S WHAT I KNOW MOST U.S.  PERSONS NOT POLITICIANS BUT  RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.  ONE THING HAVE GATHERED IS IT.  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS IT.  >> SINGLE MOST POLITICAL  DRIVEN. IT COMES TO. THE  GROWTH OF OUR CITY NOW I TRULY  UNDERSTAND AFTER 40 YEARS  GROWTH IS INEVITABLE. BUT I  ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT. MANY  THINGS WERE PUT IN PLACE KATE  TO GO FOR SPECIFIC REASONING.  ONE IS 3.20 PROJECT WHERE THE  NOSE OWNING IT. ANYBODY  ANYBODY DONE THE RESEARCH AS  WHY THAT WAS OR NOT ZONE. I  CAN GUARANTEE YOU IT HAS TO DO  WITH THE PRESERVATION AND  PROTECTION OF THOSE WEAPONS.  YEAH COULD BE COMING UP IS A.  AREA THE NEW. POLICE  DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO GO THE  WEAPONS AND THEY'RE ALL THOSE  ARE CONNECTED. THEY WERE  PROTECTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE  OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF WATER  COMES FROM THAT FLOWS INTO OUR  CANALS AND WATERWAYS LOWS INTO  THE SNOW OVER AND THERE'S A  PRIMARY OR USED TO BE THE  PRIMARY SOURCE OF OUR DRINKING  WATER THE MYAKKA HAD  ♪ CREATE. AS WE'VE GROWN WE'VE  GOTTEN EITHER. AT WATER WHICH  IS COSTING US PEACE RIVER JUST  WENT UP  ♪ 6%. THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP.  AND THAT'S YOU PROTECT.  PRIMARY SOURCE OF DRINKING  WATER AND THE FILTRATION  SYSTEM WHICH ARE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. ONE  THOSE THINGS AS PART OF A  LEGACY PORT. IT'S BEEN AROUND  A LONGER THAN ALL OF US. THE  ONLY ISSUE SIGNIFICANT WE HAVE  NEW PERKS OF CRITICAL COMMENTS  FROM PEOPLE THIS VOCAL  MINORITY THAT I KEEP HEARING  ABOUT ALL RIGHT. YOU BETTER  BELIEVE THEY'RE NOT A  MINORITY. BASED ON AGAIN  SIGNIFICANT PERSPECTIVE GAINED  OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS. MY  MANTRA VERY SIMPLE. PUT IT TO  A REFERENDUM.  >> SO IT'S ONE OF THE MOST  CRITICAL POLITICAL.  ♪ ASPECTS AND I WILL BE BACK  ♪ THANK YOU.  >> I KNOW  GOOD MORNING  COMMISSIONERS, GOOD MORNING  CITY MANAGER. WANT TO SAY  THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE  DUE DILIGENCE THAT YOU HAD TO  GET THE SPRINGS AND GET ALL  THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE  PUBLIC. SO THAT WE CAN READ IT  FOR OURSELVES AND THAT IS JUST  MOMENTOUS TASK. EVEN FOR  PRIVATE SECTOR OF LIGHT  READING THROUGH THESE  DOCUMENTS AND LOOKING AT  EVERYTHING AND TRYING TO  ANALYZE IT AND FIGURE OUT  WHICH DIRECTION YOU'RE GOING  TO GO WITH THE WARM SPRINGS  DEVELOPMENT IS THIS HUGE TASK  AT HAND AND I APPRECIATE YOU  AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR  EFFORTS AND GETTING THAT OUT  SO THAT WE CAN ALSO COME TO  YOU AND VOICE OUR OPINIONS AS  WELL. ON THAT NOTE. I ALSO  WANT TO SAY THAT. OUTCRY OF  THE COMMUNITY THAT IS STILL  COMING TOWARDS YOU DOING THE  RESEARCH AND SPENDING THE TIME  HERE ON DAYS AWFUL TAKING TIME  OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO GIVE YOU  THEIR OPINION. WITH THAT WE  HAVE TO TAKE INTO  CONSIDERATION. IF THERE'S ONE  OF US THERE'S MANY OTHER OF US  THAT COULD NOT BE HERE. WE DO  HAVE THE ELECTION CYCLE COMING  THIS YEAR. AND I DO WANT TO  SEE SOME CONCLUSION. WHAT'S  GOING TO HAPPEN WITH WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. IN THE  COMING MONTHS, SO THAT WE KNOW  WHO WE CAN VOTE WHO ARE NOT  VOTING FOR. THAT'S IMPORTANT  TO ME AS A CITIZEN. WITH THE  MONEY AND THE STEP THAT'S  COMING IN THAT SCENE IN JUST  THE BUDGETS AND THE LIGHT  TOUCH OF THINGS. IT'S THAT WE  HAVE IT WE CAN BEGIN  RESTORATION OF THE SMALL  BUILDINGS OF THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK BUT WE DO HAVE TO  TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.  EVERYTHING THAT THEY OUTLINED  IN TO US SO I WOULD RECOMMEND  JUST MOVING SLOW WITH THAT AND  TAKING OVER ALL OF THE  SUBMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM  ALL OF THOSE SURVEYS. THE  GEOTECHNICAL IN THE SCIENTIFIC  BACKGROUND OF IT. ALSO THERE'S  A FENCE AROUND THE SPRINGS.  IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR  NOW. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE  THERE ANYMORE. YOU'VE EVER HAD  LIKE CHAIN-LINK FENCE  SURROUNDING YOU IN A PROPERTY.  IT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING MORE  DEGRADATION IN THE THE WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS BECAUSE ADDING  DOWN ALL THE GRASS AND  EVERYTHING IN THE AREA THERE.  SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT REMOVE  IT MAY ALSO. ALLEVIATE SOME  COSTS OF LEASING OFFENSE FOR  OVER A YEAR. THOSE ARE JUST  SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT  TO TOUCH ON I'LL HAVE MORE  LATER AND I ALSO WANT TO ASK  HIM QUESTIONS MAYBE TO PONDER  AND FOR THE STAFF, EVERYBODY  AS WELL IS WE HAVE. THESE  PUBLIC NOTICES THAT ARE BEING  SUBMITTED WHERE THOSE BEING  SUBMITTED TO SO THAT WE COULD  SEE THAT WE ALSO HAVE THE  OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN  ANOTHER MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR  THE SPRINGS IF THE CITY DOES  NOT WANT TO AND I STILL WANT  TO SEE THE OPERATIONAL COSTS  OF THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS,  SPECIFICALLY IN THESE PAPERS.  >> MIGHT  >> BUDDY BOUGHT  >> HELLO MY NAME IS MEANT TO  DO THAT AND I BELIEVE AND  OBVIOUSLY SOME TROUBLE WATCH  FRANCE. SO IF A CLOSE TO THE  DEVELOPMENT. THEY MENTIONED  TOTALLY WE BUILT THIS IN 2022  AND WE FROM NEW YORK. BUT  BELIEVE IT WILL TAKE 2 YEARS  AND WE MOVED TO THIS COUNTRY  FROM SO IF YOU'RE SO I WOULD  LOVE TO GIVE YOU THEM.  PERSPECTIVE FROM THE PERSON  WHO HAS LIKE PROBABLY WHAT YOU  NEED. BUT INTERESTING  EXPERIENCE AND LIKE LYFT SAID  THAT THE BIG THAT BEING SEEN  FOR THE BIG DISTANCES KICKED.  I'M SORRY I'M I'M BEEN AND  THIS THE BIG BIG BIG PROBLEM  HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE A  FRESH LOW. WHAT'S GOING ON  HERE SO GREATEST CITY IN THE  WORLD I WOULD SAY WHICH KNOW  IS BEING DESTROYED BY BUT  POLITICIANS, OKAY, WANT TO  BRING POLITICS HERE BUT  OBVIOUSLY THAT'S THE REASON  WHY WE'RE HERE SOLID  MIDDLE-CLASS AND MAY KNOW  ABOUT THAT COMING AND COMING  AND COME TO THE STATE PLIABLE.  >> AND WHAT I SEE I SEE THE  SAME GUYS. WHEN POLITICIANS.  >> WELL DIDN'T PRESENT THAT DO  SO THE CAUSE WAS. I'M PLACING  BUT WON'T. BUT DEMANDING AND  THAT PEOPLE JUST SAYING OKAY  SKIMMERS I THINK WE DON'T NEED  TO PREPARE FOR THAT AND SO WE  NEED TO DEMAND THE ANSWERS.  WHY DESTROYING GREATEST. HE'S  A MAJOR MAJOR IN TO ADJUST. I  DON'T THAT PEOPLE PEOPLE  MENTION ALL OF BIGGEST  COUNTRY. SOHO BLACK AND DON'T  HAVE TO BE THE SCIENTIST IT  HELPED GET DON'T HAVE MEAN MY  HAS BEEN FORTHCOMING FROM THAT  BUT FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS SO  WHAT ABOUT FOR THE FRESHEST  OFFICIAL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE  GENIUS TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS  THAT'S A LOOK AT TOTAL  DECISION EVEN FINANCIALLY.  EVEN FINISHED WITH THE SHOW  FROM THEY WILL DESTROY IMMUNE  TO IT WILL THIS. HE'S GREATEST  NATION. SO YOU DON'T HELP THE  BUSINESS. I'M DISTRAUGHT THE  STAND THAT BIG BIG  CONSTRUCTION OF CONDOS AND  EVERYTHING WILL DESTROY THIS  PIECE OF LAND. WE HAVE SUCH A  BIG DISCONNECT BETWEEN YOU'LL  WHICH I DON'T I DON'T EVEN  KNOW, BUT THEY SEE THE  RESULTS. AND THERE'S ALSO  TERRIBLE SO PUT YEARS, OKAY,  YES, PEOPLE JUST RAISE VOICE.  WITH WANT THOSE BASED THIS  GREATEST BE SOMEONE TO BE  DESTROYED. AND WE NEED TO MAKE  ANSWERS. MISSED IT I I I DON'T  HAVE ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST  TOO. BUT.  >> WHAT THEY SEE ME. JUST OK  SO I DID MY THANK YOU THANK  YOU. OH OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT AGAIN, THANK  COMMENTERS WHO CAME UP HERE.  AND JUST BECAUSE I KNOW THERE  WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT  WE DON'T ANSWER BECAUSE IT  PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S YOUR  OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR.  YOUR VIEWS AND OPINION AND  ALSO ANYTHING THAT WE  DISCUSSED. HAS TO BE ON THE  AGENDA. SO THAT'S WHY WE WE  CAN'T GET INTO A DISCUSSION.  THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT  2 ANNOUNCEMENTS.  >> THE CURRENT VACANCIES FOR  THE FOLLOWING BOARDS AND  COMMITTEES INCLUDE ART  ADVISORY BOARD AUDITOR  SELECTION COMMITTEE CHARTER  REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD CITIZENS  TAX OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.  ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD  POLICE OFFICERS PENSION TRUST  FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES  ADVISORY BOARD BETTORS PARK  ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ZONING  BOARD OF APPEALS SARASOTA  COUNTY ADVISORY COUNCIL  VACANCIES, ONE RESIDENT  OF NORTH PORT TO SERVE ON THE  CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND  ONE RESIDENT PORT TO SERVE ON  THE CITIZENS OVERSIGHT  COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FACILITY  PLANNING. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE  MORE INFORMATION PLEASE SEE  THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE THANK  YOU.  >> MOVING ON TO ITEM 4 WHICH  IS SENT AGENDA. ANY MANAGER  HAS OR ANY ITEMS THAT HAVE  BEEN PULLED. THERE'S ONE ITEM  AT A MERE ITEM C.  >> 0, 1, 3, WHAT ITEM WITH  THAT GIVEN OKAY, THAT'S 2040  DASH 0, 1, 3, 1, IS THAT WHICH  IS THAT AT. THANK YOU.  >> OK AND WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC  COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA,  I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.  MOTION  >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE  THE CONSENT AGENDA AS  PRESENTED PULLING ITEM C FOR  DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  TOO. APPROVE THE CONSENT  AGENDA PULLING ITEM C OR  FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES ANYTHING FURTHER.  >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S VOTE. AND  THAT PASSES 5, 0, CITY MAGICAL  THAT ITEM. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TAKEAWAY YEAH, THE  REASON WHY I PULLED IT ONE.  >> FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS THAT  I'VE BEEN ON OR WE HAVE  APPROVED A SURPLUS VEHICLE TO  BE DONATED TO PROJECT  GRADUATION I THINK THAT WAS  MAYBE ONE POSSIBLY YEARS WHEN  WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THAT.  THIS YEAR IT HAD BEEN  IDENTIFIED TO DONATE 2012 FORD  EXPEDITION. BUT THE PART THAT  KIND OF MADE ME PAUSE WAS.  THAT THE CITY MANAGER FIND  ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT'S MORE  APPROPRIATE. DECIDE THAT. AND  THAT KIND OF IS GOES AGAINST  THE PURPOSE OF US IMPROVING  DISPOSITIONS OF ASSETS. SO I  WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THE  CONSENT AGENDA. AND THE  DONATION OF THE VEHICLE FOR  PROJECT GRADUATION BUT IF  ANOTHER VEHICLE BECOMES  AVAILABLE. IT SHOULD COME BACK  TO THE COMMISSION FOR US TO  APPROVE IT AND TO PUBLICLY  ANNOUNCE HEY THIS IS THE  VEHICLE WERE GOING TO DONATING  TO PROJECT GRADUATION SO  THAT'S THE REASON WHY PULLED.  >> YES 2 DOZEN RATE THIS WEEK  MANAGE LOOKS. GOOD AFTERNOON.  CAROL BOWEN FLEET MANAGER  COMMISSIONER, THE MAYOR HAS A  REGULAR MANAGER.  >> THE REASON WE PUT THAT IN  THERE IS SINCE LAST YEAR WE  HAD AN ISSUE IT WAS A LATE  ISSUE. WITH ME IT WAS A COMING  OUT WE HAVE NO TIMELINE WE  USED TO BE ABLE TO GET TIME TO  GET PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE  MARCH NOW VEHICLES LITERALLY  SHOW UP.  >> GIVEN TIME WE DON'T KNOW  WHEN WHEN EAGLES ARE COMING  WHICH WILL ALLOW US A  REPLACEMENT. YES, WE DO HAVE  AN EXPEDITION THIS YEAR THAT  WE HAVE SLATED IN THE EVENT  THAT VEHICLE COMES OUT IN MAY  OR JUNE. WHENEVER WE GET  INFORMATION THAT VEHICLE DOES  NOT START. WE NEED TO HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO BRING  ANOTHER ONE OR HAVE AN  OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ANOTHER  VEHICLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION  WE DON'T HAVE IN THAT TIME IF  DOESN'T START OR SOMETHING WAS  HAPPENING THAT VEHICLE. WE  CAN'T WAIT WE DON'T HAVE THE  TIME TO BRING ANOTHER VEHICLE  FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WAS  THE REASON FOR FOR THIS.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YES, SO WITH THAT SAID I  THOUGHT THESE VEHICLES WERE  ALREADY VETTED AND CLEARED AND  FOUND TO BE MECHANICALLY.  SAFE. YES FOR DISPOSITION 2  TEENAGERS FOR PROJECT  GRADUATION SO. IF WE'RE  PROVING A EXPEDITION. FOR  DISPOSITION FOR PROJECT  GRADUATION WHY WOULD IT NOT BE  MECHANICALLY SOME. 2 MONTHS.  >> WILL BE ABLE TO SIT TEND TO  NOT DO WELL. AND THAT'S THE  PROBLEM SO BEEN SITTING SINCE  DECEMBER. SO WHEN WE GOT THE  SUMMER, YES, IS ALL, BUT IT'S  NOT BEING UTILIZED.  >> STARTED I MEAN IT'S IT'S AN  ORDER LOT. WE DO NOT EXPECT  ANY MORE MONEY WITH THE  EXCEPTION OF ENSURING THAT  IT'S A SAFE VEHICLE FOR THE  STUDENT. NO MA'AM IT DOES NOT  GET STARTED OR UTILIZED  WHATSOEVER.  >> I'M SORRY GUYS.  >> IF WE HAVE A DONATION THAT  WE'RE MAKING TO PROJECT  GRADUATION IN ITS SITTING NOT  BEING USED. IT TAKES 10  MINUTES TO GO OUT AND START  THE VEHICLE TO CONTINUE IT  RUNNING N.  >> VICE MAYOR.  >> I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK WE  COULD PROBABLY PUT IN THE FACE  AND CITY MANAGERS MAKE A  DECISION THERE WAS THE NEED TO  SWAP OUT THE VEHICLE. WHATEVER  REASON. WE'RE ALSO RISING THAT  VEHICLE. HE MADE AVAILABLE FOR  PROJECT GRADUATION I THINK  WHICH VEHICLE I REALLY THINK  OUR CITY MANAGER HAS THAT.  WHERE WHISTLE AND THE  EXPERTISE TO MAKE THAT  DECISION YOU KNOW I JUST SEE  THIS AND NOTHING ISSUE IN MY  OPINION.  >> THANK YOU AND I HAVE TO  AGREE CITY MANAGER OVERSEAS  WHAT 200 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET  OR SOMETHING THAT FACT I  THINK.  >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD AND I I  KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE JUST 10  MINUTES AGO STARTED, BUT THAT  MEANS SOMEBODY IS BEING TAKEN  AWAY FROM SOMETHING ELSE WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THEM DO LIKE  PLACE. NO STREET SIGNS OR  SOMETHING TO GO START VEHICLE.  COMMISSIONER DOW.  >> YEAH I'VE TEAR GOING START  THE VEHICLE. THE OTHER THING  IS IS YES, THE CITY MANAGER  MANAGES A 250 MILLION DOLLAR  BUDGET EVERY SINGLE BUT IT IS  OUR JOB TO GIVE HIM  AUTHORIZATION WHAT GETS  DISPERSED WHAT GETS DISPOSED  WHAT GETS SAVED WHAT GOES TO  PROJECT GRADUATION THAT IS OUR  JOB. OKAY, I DON'T SEE THESE  THINGS.  >> FURTHER ON I'M LOOKING FOR  MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION.  >> TO  >> ITEM 24 0, 1, 3, 1, AS  PRESENTED.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STILL TO  APPROVE. CONSENT ITEM SE 24  DASH 0 ONE. 3 ONE. AS  PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  NOTHING OUT BOTH. AND THAT  PASSES 4 TO ONE WITH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  DISSENTING FOR REASONS STATED.  >> I WANT IT PERFECTLY CLEAR  THAT YES I AGREE THAT WE CAN  VEHICLE FOR PROJECT GRADUATION  YES I START VEHICLE TO MAKE  SURE IT'S RUNNING BUT I WILL  ADVOCATING MY RESPONSIBILITIES  AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL TO THE  CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE TO SURE  WE'RE DOING THINGS  TRANSPARENTLY AND INFORMING  THE PUBLIC WHAT **** IS GOING  START FOR TUITION.  >> LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC  HEARINGS ITEM I. ORDINANCE  SECOND READING. 2, 0, 2, 4  DASH 0, THIS IS CAUSE IT CITY  CLERK READ THIS BY TITLE ONLY.  >> IT'S NUMBER 2024 DASH 5 AND  ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT FLORIDA REZONING  APPROXIMATELY 262.34 ACRES  LOCATED EAST OF TOLEDO BLADE  BOULEVARD APPROXIMATELY ONE  MILE NORTH. I 75 IN SECTION 6  TOWNSHIP 39 SOUTH RANGE, 22  EAST OF SARASOTA COUNTY AND  FOR THE DESCRIBED MISTER MATT  NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 3, 0, 4, TO 8,  0, 4, IN OFFICIAL RECORDS OF  SARASOTA NO ZONING DESIGNATION  DISTRICT AND D-DAY  CLASSIFICATION TO RESIDENTIAL  MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT PARMA  LAST OCCASION AMENDING  OFFICIAL ZONING MAP BY FOR  FINDINGS PROVIDING FOR FILING  OF APPROVED DOCUMENTS  PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND  PROVIDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE  AND EVERYONE WISHING TO  PROVIDE TESTIMONY PLEASE STAND  RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. JAY  SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE  TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO  PROVIDE IS TRUE AND ACCURATE  TO THE BEST YOUR KNOWLEDGE SO  HAPPY ABOUT.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SO NOW  I'M GOING TO ASK DISCLOSURE  OF EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS  COME COMMISSIONER EMRICH MAYOR  BEFORE YOU GET I WOULD JUST  LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT TODAY'S  GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT THERE  WAS NOT ANY MORE PUBLIC  COMMENTS THAT RELATED TO THIS  ITEM AS A REMINDER. THOSE  GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE  NOT PART OF THIS QUASI  JUDICIAL PROCEDURE, THEY WERE  NOT TAKEN UNDER OATH AND THEY  WERE NOT MADE DURING THE  PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM  ACCORDINGLY THEY ARE NOT  EVIDENCE FOR THIS ITEM AND I  WOULD ENCOURAGE THE  COMMISSIONERS TO INCLUDE THOSE  PUBLIC COMMENTS IN THE NEXT  PARTY DISCLOSURE SINCE  EVERYONE HEARD THE THANK YOU  POINTING THAT OUT COMMISSIONER  EMERICH LET'S START WITH YOU.  >> YEAH I HAD NONE OTHER THAN  THE PUBLIC COMMENTS PRESENTED  TODAY SINCE THE LAST MEETING.  >> ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR.  >> I ALSO THERE TO THE PUBLIC  COMMENTS TODAY AND THOUGH  WHATEVER PARTE. PUT ON THE  RECORD AS OF THE LAST MEETING  THAT NO COMMUNICATION BETWEEN  THE  >> ALL RIGHT AND I TOO HAVE  NOTHING FURTHER THAN WHAT WAS  SAID TODAY DURING PUBLIC  COMMENT WHICH I LISTEN TO.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON ALSO I  HAVE ADDITIONAL EX PARTE  EXCEPT WHAT WE HEARD THIS  MORNING. AND COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> YES,  >> JUST TO ENTER INTO THE  RECORD THE PUBLIC THE EX PARTE  COMMUNICATION THAT I SUBMITTED  FOR FIRST READING STILL PLACED  SECOND READING AND ALSO THE  PUBLIC COMMENT TO THAT WE  HEARD THAT TODAY'S MONEY.  >> MOVING ON TO AGGRIEVED  PARTIES ARE THERE ANY  AGGRIEVED YOU SO I MOVED TO  PRESENTATION APPLICANT YOU'RE  UP FIRST.  >> GOOD MORNING, MADAM AND  MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION FOR  THE JEFFREY BEEN ATTORNEY  REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT I  HAVE BEEN SWORN.  >> AT THE ARE BEATING YOU  HEARD OUR PRESENTATION ALL OF  OUR COMMON EVIDENCE WAS  PRESENTED THAT TIME WE HAVE  NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD TODAY.  AND THAT WE DO HAVE OUR FULL  TEAM HERE IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE  ANY QUESTIONS WE RESPECTFULLY  REQUEST YOUR VOTE OF APPROVAL  ON SECOND RATING. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT MOVING TO STAFF.  GOOD MORNING, KARL PLANNING  ZONING I HAVE BEEN SWORN. SO  STAFF TO PRESENT FIRST READING  THERE WERE NO CHANGE AT THE  FIRST SO WILL LAST TO KEEP  THAT ON THE RECORD. HOWEVER, I  WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH BASE ON A  FEW THINGS. IT WAS MENTIONED  THAT THERE'S NO ZONING  DESIGNATION ON THIS PARCEL TO  THAT MEANS IT WASN'T FOR  DEVELOPED IT'S IMPORTANT TO  REMEMBER THAT WHEN MIX  PROPERTY, ZONING THAT GETS  GIVEN TO HIS OWN THAT IS GIVEN  TO IT IS NO ZONING DESIGNATION  SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A GPA WITH  THE CITY. YOU THEN HAVE TO  BEFORE THE REZONE IT SO THAT'S  A PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING  THROUGH WITH YEAR STATIONS.  ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  REMEMBER THAT AS PART OF THIS  PROPERTY WAS. NEXT 10 AS PART  OF LAWSON CARLTON RANCH. THE  ORDINANCE 2022. AND LINE ONE  0, 7 OF THAT ORDINANCE SAYS  RAPID GROWTH IN POPULATION  INCREASE STATEWIDE AND WITHIN  THE CITY'S GEOGRAPHIC LIMITS.  >> HAS CREATED A COMMUNITY  DEMAND FOR EXPANSION. IT WAS  ALSO ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT  WITH PROJECT AND IT IS  ORDINANCE 22,020 N AND LINE  ONE '08 AND IT SAYS INDEXATION  OF THE PROPERTY IS NECESSARY  TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE GROWTH  OF THE CITY. SO IT'S BEEN 24  YEARS AT THE INTENT OF THIS  ANNEXATION WAS TO DEVELOP. AND  DURING THAT 24 YEARS THERE'S  BEEN OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER.  PROPERTY OWNERS TO BUY AND  TURN INTO A CONSERVATORY MUCH  LIKE ORANGE HAMMOCK. HOWEVER,  IT WAS NOT CAN SEE THAT ISN'T  EVEN PART OF MONTANA TODAY. SO  WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE IT  DID NOT TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY.  SO WITH THAT WE WOULD JUST  LIKE TO RECOMMEND STAFF  RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS  AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANSWER  ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  MOVING ON TO A REBUTTAL. THE  APPLICANT.  >> AGAINST THE RECORD THAT  JEFFREY BEEN ATTORNEY  REPRESENTING THE AND I HAVE  BEEN SWORN. I. I THOUGHT I  WOULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE  COMMENTS THAT WE'VE HEARD  TODAY. IT DURING FIRST OF ALL  THE IDEA SOMEONE UP SHE USED  TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AT A  HIGHER DENSITY AND WHAT'S  CURRENTLY ON THE DNP IT'S  UNDER STAFF REVIEW AND IS  MAKING YOUR WAY TO YOU ALL.  THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT  WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY  OR AROUND 900 DWELLING UNITS  TRAFFIC THE DMP THAT WE HAVE  ON PROVIDES FOR AROUND 8  AROUND POSSIBLY. 879 CALLED  880 APPROXIMATELY UNITS SO FOR  SOMEONE TO COME AND TRY AND  DEVELOP THIS AND A HIGHER  DENSITY WOULD REQUIRE A NEW  TRAFFIC STUDY IT WOULD REQUIRE  A NEW DNP SO THAT'S A WHOLE  ROUND OF APPLICATIONS AND  PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WOULD  HAVE TO BE APPROVED AND AGAIN  AS I STATED LAST MEETING AS  I'M SURE YOU ALL REMEMBER WE  HOPE TO HAVE A DNP BEFORE YOU  TODAY AS WELL FOR APPROVAL,  BUT IT JUST TAKES LONGER TO  REVIEW. AND IT BUT WE BELIEVE  IT SHOULD BE TO YOU ALL  HOPEFULLY VERY SOON. I'M ALSO  JUST BY WAY OF REMINDER.  PROPOSED ABOUT PLAN. THIS PART  OF THE BNP AS WELL SHOWS THAT  A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE  PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE REZONE  IS EITHER WETLANDS OR  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  AREAS AND WILL NOT BE  DEVELOPED. AS COMPARED TO A  SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER. PORTION  OF THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE  DEVELOPED SO SO THE THERE'S  THERE'S A GREAT DEGREE HIGH  DEGREE PROTECTION OF WETLANDS  AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES. IT  GOES WITH OUR POST AND THAT'S  IT FOR A BATTLE IN THANK YOU  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT  BATTLE BY STAFF. WE HAVE  NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MOVING  ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> I HAVE SUSAN BOMBER ALL I  CAN CARS AND JUST SNAPPED.  >> ALL AND YOU COME UP CAN YOU  RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ALSO  THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN.  >> I'M SUSAN BOMBER AND A HALF  AND SCORING. BUT THE THANK YOU  FOR GIVING US YOUR ATTENTION  WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED  REZONING THIS PARTIAL OF LAND  TODAY IS A MISTAKE. EACH TERM  WE COME BEFORE YOU. OUR FACTS  AND RESEARCH I MISTER BENNETT.  OUR 3 MINUTES OF COMMENTS DO  NOT ALLOW A RISK. AS RESIDENTS  WHO VALUE IMPORTANCE OF NOT  DISTURBING WETLANDS,  ESPECIALLY THOSE UP FOR  INCREASED SERVES AND THE  PROTECTION OF AN ENVIRONMENT  RICH WITH WILDLIFE. WE ASK  THAT YOU RECONSIDER  RESIDENTIAL STATUS. DEVELOPERS  BE CLOUDS LIGHT OF THE GREAT  CHANGES THEY WILL BRING TO THE  AREA PERSUADE YOU THAT ALL  CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED AND  THAT P. THAT YOU WILL DO  WHATEVER ASK. THEY HAVE ALL  THE ANSWERS. YOU ARE THE ONES  GIVING THEM PERMISSION. JUST  BECAUSE DEVELOPERS I LAND  THAT'S NOT GIVE THEM THE  FREEDOM TO CONTROL YOUR  DECISION. THE CITY IS STILL  OUT AN EXCEPTIONAL QUANTITY OF  WEAPONS TO BE MEDICATED IN THE  LAST YEAR. JUST GOING TO LEAD  A BLADE PET PLANTATION PANACEA  WITH MORE SLATED NORTH OF 70  FOR THAT SHOWS HOW THIS CITY  IT'S NOT MANAGING THE WET LIKE  THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT  PERMITTING HAS BEGUN. THEY  WILL ASSURE YOU EVERY ASPECT  IS BEING DOCUMENT AND AN  ADDRESS THAT AGENCIES AND  DEPARTMENTS AND REGULATION.  CAN US PERSONALLY BALLOT DAY  THAT SO USE FOR ALL PATIENTS  PURPOSES RATION THEM BUFFERING  WILL NOT ALTER THE EXISTING  WENT RIGHT. THAT CONSTRUCTION  WILL NOT AFFECT IN ANY WAY  PRESERVES SO WETLAND. THAT THE  WETLANDS WILL NOT BE AT FIRST  PLAY IMPACT THAT THAT ANY  PROPOSED BUILDING STRUCTURES  OR BUILDING MATERIALS. THAT  DEVICES ARE MACHINES AND THEIR  ACCESS TO THE CONSTRUCTION  AREA. WELL NOT TO STIR OR  DESTROY THE WETLANDS. THAT  WILDLIFE INCLUDING THE  ENDANGERED AND THEIR HABITATS  ON LAND AND WATER WILL BE  PRESERVED. THAT WATER IMPACTS  WILL NOT AFFECT SURROUNDING  AREAS. I'M NOT SURE WE CAN  GUARANTEE THAT THESE THINGS  DON'T HAPPEN. AS  REPRESENTATIVES WE HOPE YOU  WILL CONSIDER OUR BACKS AS  IMPORTANT AS THE PERSUASIVE  REBUTTAL. YOU ARE THAT ARE WE  SAFE. THANK YOU.  >> OK WHAT HEATHER'S HAND AND  THAT I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS  THE TRAFFIC STUDY AGAIN. OH  I'M SORRY PAM TOW CARS AND  I'VE BEEN SWORN. IT TRAFFIC  YEAH.  >> ALL ABOUT IT.  >> CITY CLERK IF YOU'RE  HANDING SOMETHING OUT OF THE  CITY COMMISSIONERS HAS BEEN  PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC  COMMENTER IT MUST ALSO BE  PROVIDED AT THIS TIME EVERY  PARADE RECEIVING INCLUDING  SENATE CAN WE JUST GET THAT ON  THE RECORD THAT THAT BEEN  DISTRIBUTED TO BOTH THE STAFF  AND THE APPLICANT PLACE. I  MEAN AN EXTRA COPY FOR THE  TOURNAMENT.  >> FOR THE RECORD THIS IS  BEING PERSON PROVIDED ALL  PARTIES STAFF AND. MISTER  THANK YOU. AND THAT'S A START  OVER AGAIN MONEY SPENT TO  ACQUIRE TONIGHT AND SWORE.  >> REGARDING THE TRAFFIC STUDY  I REFER TO EXHIBIT 5. I KNOW  THIS PROJECT THE TRAFFIC UP TO  THE YEAR 2028 AND MISTER BLUE  ATTORNEY BOONE DID STATE THAT  THE TRAFFIC STUDY TOOK THAT  INTO ACCOUNT, BUT IF YOU DO  LOOK AT EXHIBIT 5 IT SHOWS  THAT NEW YEAR 2028. THE AMOUNT  OF TRAFFIC COMING ONTO  TROPICAIRE FROM TOLEDO VILLAGE  0. ALL OF THE 3,000 HOMES ARE  GOING TO BE BUILT IN THAT BILL  IT'S GOING TO ACCESS THE CITY,  I DON'T THINK THAT'S CORRECT.  IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN 0. AND  THEN THE MAP BUT I JUST HANDED  OUT THIS IS THE MAP THAT WAS  GIVEN TO SWIFT MET FOR THE  PERMITTING PROCESSES STATED  FEBRUARY 13TH 2024. SO IT IS  KURT. IT SHOWS THE WETLANDS  FOR THE PROPERTY AND IF YOU  WILL VERY CAREFULLY YOU NEED A  MAGNIFYING GLASS TO SEE IT  UNDERNEATH THE WETLANDS YOU  CAN SEE THE OUTLINE FOR THE  RESIDENTIAL HOME PLACEMENT. IF  YOU WILL THAT THE TOWN HOMES  THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.  THEY DON'T BELIEVE DESTROYED  WETLAND AT THAT IS TO THE TOP  OF THE THE MAP THERE. YOU CAN  SEE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF  WETLANDS IMPACTED BY THIS  PROJECT ON THE ATTACKS PAGES  WILL BE 37 ACRES THAT WILL BE  MITIGATED TO THE MYAKKA  MITIGATION BANK. AND ALTHOUGH  THIS IS NOT ON ON TODAY'S  AGENDA PLAN G WILL BE DIVIDED  IN HERE. THAT'S WHEN THE  INDUSTRIAL SIDE AND YOU CAN  SEE THAT THERE'S 4 BUILDINGS  PLACED 2 ON THE TOP PART OF  THE PROPERTY INTO THE BOTTOM  PART OF PROPERTY DURING THE  HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 26 FOR  OUR USE E 22 DASHED. 2, 3, 7  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. IT'S  FOR EXPLANATION ON HOW THE 55  ACRES WOULD LOOK LIKE TURNING  BOONE STATED THAT 0.3 7, 4, TO  GET FLOOR AREA RATIO WILL HAVE  BUILDINGS THE REMAINING  TWO-THIRDS OF 55 ACRES. WELL  HOW'S THE BUFFERING GREEN  SPACES TREES. TROUBLED AND  STORM WATER. I DO REALIZE THAT  THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN,  BUT THERE BUT THERE WAS REMAIN  TWO-THIRDS OF THE 55 ACRES  UNDEVELOPED WHY DID THEY PUT  THOSE OTHER 2 BUILDINGS AT THE  BOTTOM OF THE PARCEL THAT IS  FAR BIGGER FAR 2.3 7 HE SAID.  NOW YOU ALSO SAID LAST MEETING  THAT WAS NO BAIT AND SWITCH SO  WHY ARE THOSE 2 EXTRA  BUILDINGS THERE. ALSO IN THE  COMP PLAN. FOR THE FUTURE LAND  USE ELEMENT FOR NATURAL  RESOURCES PERTAINING TO AREAS.  IT DOES MENTION THAT THOSE  AREAS THAT WE'RE AT IN TO THE  CITY THAT THE CITY DIDN'T  REALIZE THAT THERE WERE  THOUSANDS OF WETLAND ACRES  THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THOSE  WETLAND SYSTEMS AND CONSERVE  EASEMENTS DIRECTLY NOR  ABUTTING THE NORTH PORT CITY  LIMITS. AS PART OF THE  SANITIZATION OF THE LAND THE  CITY CONSIDERED AS WATER  RESOURCES THAT ARE FREELY  AVAILABLE AS A POTENTIAL  SOURCE OF POTABLE WATER TO THE  CITY. SO JACK THE 6 OF THE  CITY COMP PLAN UNDER THE  CHAPTER FOR CONSERVATION G O P  S.  >> THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  SHALL CONTINUE TO ENFORCE  THERE I KNOW THOSE BITE BUT WE  HAVE YES.  >> WHEN I WAS JUST MOST OF  WANT AS THE GOING TO BE GOING  UP LIVE HERE ONE. WELL THE  CITY ALL THE WAY FROM TAMPA  NAPLES. AND I SAT IN TRAFFIC  THIS MORNING ON MY WAY TO WORK  AT TO SEE IT. 2 LANES BLOCKED  ALL OF THE EXPRESS WHAT. I  DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING  THIS TRAFFIC STUDY FROM A  PROMISE IT'S NOT RIGHT. I  TRAVEL EVERY DAY. ALSO AFTER I  RESCUE IT WAS ALMOST  IMPOSSIBLE TO GET DOWN TO  LITTLE AFTER THAT STORM. A OF  PEOPLE WITH MEANS. I THEY'VE  GOT MODEL. WHAT ARE PEOPLE WHO  LIVE IN AND THEY'RE NOT  THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE  THE MEANS TO GET OUT OF THERE  IN TIME FOR YOU GUYS  UNDERSTAND. TO SAY WE'RE GOING  TO OUT WE HAVE TO BUT  SOMEONE'S GOT TO START  THINKING. MORE LONG I MEAN WE  DON'T ENOUGH TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO  GET ON THE EXPRESSWAY YET  ALREADY STARTING TO BUILD  TOWNHOUSES. AND OUT OF $0.7.  WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THAT'S MY  TIME GET. THANK YOU.  >> ROBIN TIME SAINT MARY DID  MOFFITT AND CHUCK ENGLISH. YOU  SUBMITTED A PUBLIC COMMENT FOR  THIS. A CAR FOR THIS ITEM.  >> YOU COULD TAKE IT BACK IF  IT'S NOT.  ♪ ♪ THANKS. DO NAME IS MARY JEAN  MOFFITT AND I HAVE TO  COMMISSIONERS I'M NOT FAVOR OF  THIS RESULT. I WASN'T IN FAVOR  OF THE INDUSTRIAL RESULT,  EITHER BECAUSE OF THE  LOCATION.  >> THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AT  THAT END OF TOLEDO BLADE RIGHT  UP AGAINST THE WALL TO  RANCHING BATTLING TO MAKE A  POOR CHOICE FOR LARGE  BUILDINGS TO BE LOCATED THERE.  BUT IT'S A MOOT POINT NOW  SINCE IT PASSED READ IT I  STILL BELIEVE THE INVEST REAL  PROPOSAL WAS A TOKEN OFFERING  FOR THIS DEVELOPER TO GET TO  YOU TO AGREE TO PASS THE  RESIDENTIAL PLEASE DON'T TAKE  THE BAIT. THIS JANUARY THE  COMMISSION PASSED THE REZONING  REQUEST. POCATELLO PROPERTY ON  SUMPTER TO GO FROM  PROFESSIONAL OFFICE TO  RESIDENTIAL. IT'S HARD TO  GRASP LOGIC. HOSPITAL COMING  IN JUST UP THE ROAD ON SUMPTER  THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IDEAL FOR  THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE OF MEDICAL  SERVICES HIGH PAYING JOBS. NOW  LAST. I SEE RECENT REPORTS  FROM THE CITY'S ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, HAVING  THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES  COMING TO PORT. IN JANUARY  WITH 71 IN FEBRUARY 23. THEY  ARE MOSTLY ENTREPRENEURIAL.  IT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE CAN  START OF THE BUSINESSES AND  WORK OUT OF THEIR HOLES. I  SUPPORT THAT BUT I DO WANT TO  SEE AND HEAR THAT WE HAVE  HIGHER PAYING JOBS COMING TO  PORT. SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND  WORK HERE. YOU SHOULD TOO. WE  NEED A BALANCE YOU HAVE ECHOED  THAT SOME OF YOU CAN'T PAINT  ON THAT PROMISE TO WORK  TOWARDS HIGHER PAYING JOBS.  SOME OF US INTO YOUR PROMISES.  I WANT TO DIRECT MY ATTENTION  TO THE COMMISSIONERS THAT  VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE  INDUSTRIAL PROPOSAL. YOU SAY  WE NEED TO WORK COMMERCIAL  DEVELOPMENT TO OFFSET OUR  TAXES. MORE IMPORTANTLY TO  BRING IN HIGHER PAYING JOBS.  WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THAT.  WHERE IS THAT HAPPENING.  HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST. GIVING  AWAY PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY.  PROJECT 3.22 INDUSTRIAL. I  WANT YOU TO STICK WITH THAT WE  DON'T NEED ANY MORE HOUSING OF  THIS KIND AND THE PROPOSED  HOUSING WOULD NOT ALLOW THE  PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE  INDUSTRIAL PART TO AFFORD TO  LIVE IN THAT HOUSING. IT'S  GOING TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR  THOSE SALARIES. YOU HAVE JOB  GREAT REQUIREMENTS TO MEET  FROM THE MONEY RECEIVED PUT IN  THE WATER AND SEWER ALL ALONG  TOLEDO BLADE. I 75. THAT WAS  MENTIONED WHEN YOU PASS THE  INDUSTRIAL PART. MORE HOUSING  WILL NOT MEET THAT REQUIREMENT  WHY OUR TREE SPEAKING ABOUT  THAT NOW. THERE IS STILL TIME  APPROVE THE RESIDENTIAL  REQUEST AND HOLD OR STRATEGIC  PURPOSEFUL ABOUT ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE VERY  LITTLE OPPORTUNITY IS LEFT. DO  WHAT YOU PROMISED US, THERE IS  STILL TIME DO THE RIGHT THING.  >> I THINK SHOULD HAVE BEEN  SWORN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT  MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS ON THIS  ISSUE. AND THAT THIS ASPECT TO  IT. THE FRAGMENTATION OUR.  WETLANDS WHICH IS CONTINUE.  ALL RIGHT NOT JUST.  DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL OR  REZONING. WE HAVE SEEN  CONSISTENTLY. PLANS APPROVED.  AND PROPERTY RESOLD. ONCE THIS  IS THEY STILL HAVE THE ABILITY  TO MITIGATE THE WETLANDS.  STONE PREVIOUS ACTIONS.  DEVELOPMENT. WITHIN OUR  COMMUNITY. AND THEY CAN SO AND  THE NEXT PERSON GO THE MAXIMUM  DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. THEY CAN.  CAN'T FRAGMENTING THE  ENVIRONMENT FOR THE SAKE OF  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE  ABSOLUTELY NO I D A WHAT THE  IMPACT WILL BE.  >> THAT'S IT FOR THAT OK.  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO  COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, ONE QUESTION MAYOR  AND RELATED TO THE REZONING  ONLY. ULDC CODE ONE 34, I'M  SORRY SECTION ONE. 34 GIVES A  LIMITATION TO REZONE PROPERTY  OF 2 YEARS. DNR CODE, BUT IT'S  UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION WHO  HAS THE AUTHORITY. TO  ESTABLISH THIS PERIOD OF TIME  OF NOT LESS THAN 2 YEARS. FROM  ACTIVE DATE OF REZONING. WHICH  IF IT IS GRANTED. THEY HAVE  THE TIME LIMIT THAT WE SPECIFY  TO ACTUALLY COMMENCED  DEVELOPMENT. AND IF IT'S NOT  COMMENCED WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME  THAT THIS COMMISSION IT  REVERTS BACK TO ITS NO ZONING  DESIGNATION. SO MY QUESTION IS  TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. DO WE  GIVE THAT AUTHORITY TO  ESTABLISH A PERIOD OF TIME NOT  LESS THAN 2 YEARS. WHERE  ZONING THEN WOULD REVERT BACK  TO NO ZONING DESIGNATION.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL OUR  OFFICE HAS LOOKED AT THIS  SECTION ONE DASH 3, 4,  PREVIOUSLY AND WE HAVE  COORDINATED WITH SPECIAL LAND  USE COUNCIL REGARDING IT AND  MY COUNSEL TO THIS BOARD WOULD  BE TO NOT GET ALLIES THAT  PROVISION OF THE IT VERY WELL  COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE A  TYPE OF CONTRACT ZONING WHICH  IS ILLEGAL AND THERE ARE ALSO  POTENTIAL CONSTITUTIONAL  CONCERNS. IS A VIOLATION OF  EQUAL PROTECTION AND A  VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS AND  IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS  TYPE OF PROVISION WILL NOT BE  PART OF OUR NEW ULDC. RE RIGHT  SO OUR LEGAL OPINION IS THAT  THIS CODE PROVISION, WHAT DOES  STILL EXIST IN OUR CODE BUT IS  NOT LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE AND MY  ADVICE WOULD BE NOT TO UTILIZE  IT.  >> SO COULD YOU PLEASE SEND ME  AND MAYBE MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS, A COPY OF THAT  PEOPLE OPINION.  >> WE HAVE ANALYZED THIS BUT  WE HAVE NOT WRITTEN A LEGAL  OPINION OR HAVE WE BEEN ASKED  TO IF THE COMMISSION WOULD  LIKE TO WRITE A LEGAL WE CAN  DO THAT THAT WOULD  APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 10  ATTORNEY HOURS AND MAY  INCREASE OUTSIDE COUNSEL IS  WHICH WE DO HAVE BUDGETED IN  OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE  BUDGET SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO  MAKE A CONSENSUS OR A MOTION  TO DO THAT FOLLOWING THIS ITEM  WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT  OTHERWISE I DELIVERED THE  SUMMARY OF THE  ADVICE HERE. THEY WE TO GET  CONSENSUS.  >> TO HAVE CITY DRAFT THAT  LEGAL OPINION SHARE IT WITH  COMMISSIONERS I WOULD BE  GRATEFUL. OKAY. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON NO.  >> YOU DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS  SO WHAT NOW MAKE A MOTION AS  YOU KNOW.  >> MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE  CITY ATTORNEY DRAFT A LEGAL  OPINION AS IT RELATES TO  SECTION ONE DASH 34 OF THE.  ULDC.  >> AND WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY COMMISSIONER  >> AND WE HAVE BACK PLACE BUT  THAT MOTION HOUSE.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY  TO DRAFT A LEGAL OPINION AS IT  RELATES TO SECTION ONE DASH 20  THAT THE SECTION 4, ONE DASH  34 OF THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE MOTION.  >> OKAY THANK YOU. NOT HEARING  A SECOND SO THAT MOTION FAILS.  >> ALL MUCH EUROPE.  >> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A  QUESTION I JUST HAVE A COMMENT  THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AT THIS  POINT OR ALL RIGHT.  >> I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT  LIVE OUT THE ESTATES AND I'VE  BEEN IN THE CITY SINCE 1989.  AND. PART OF OUR. HERITAGE AND  STUFF IS. ARE AREAS OF  WETLANDS AND ENVIRONMENT. AND  I HAVE NOT BEEN IN FAVOR OF  THIS PROCESS OR THIS.  DEVELOPMENT SINCE NUMBER ONE  AND THIS IS OUR LAST EFFORT AS  A COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO SET  UP HERE BECAUSE. I BELIEVE  THIS IS NOT ONLY A DETRIMENT  TO THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY.  BUT IT COULD BE A DETRIMENT TO  THE ENTIRE CITY. BE A POSSIBLE  FLOODING WATER SUPPLY TRAFFIC.  I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT  NOW WHERE EVERYBODY YOU LISTEN  TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND YOU  SEE ALL OF THE BUILDING THAT'S  GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WE ARE  MAKING OURSELVES OVERCROWDED.  AND THIS IS ONE OF THE LAST  AREAS THAT I BELIEVE AND  THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION  THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED OUT  BECAUSE. IT IS AN  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE. IT  IS OUR WATER SUPPLY. AND I  THINK WE NEED TO JUST PULL  BACK THE REINS SLOW DOWN A  LITTLE BIT. LET'S GET OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE TOGETHER A  LITTLE BIT THAT MOVE FORWARD  AND. JUST WHAT I MEANT AND I  WILL NOT BE VOTING TO APPROVE  THIS PROJECT ONCE AGAIN. THANK  YOU.  >> OTHER QUESTIONS OR  COMMENTS. I WANTED TO SO THROW  OUT A COMMENT BECAUSE I  REMEMBER WHEN THIS LAND WAS.  AND EXTEND AND I APPRECIATE  OUR STAFF I BRING THAT UP THAT  WAS GIVEN AN OZONE DESIGNATION  BECAUSE WAS A MASSIVE PROJECT  WAS PROPOSED CALL AISLES OF  THAT RAIN NOW THAT WAS GOING  TO BE.  A MASSIVE AND THEY WEREN'T  SURE HOW THEY WOULD USE THE  LAND THAT'S WHY IT WAS GIVEN  KNOW IS OWNING DESIGNATION WAS  NEVER AN CONSERVATION THAT  ALONG WITH THE ORANGE HAMMOCK  THAT WAS ALSO AN THE TO THAT A  CITY AND THEY ARE CHIMING DID  GO UP FOR AUCTION AND THE MOST  THEY GOT 42 MILLION AND THE  OWNERS DID NOT WANT TO. EXCEPT  THAT AND THAT'S WHY IT WENT.  OUT FOR CONSERVATION AND THE  CONSERVATION FOUNDATION  SPEARHEADED PROJECT TO GET  THAT. BUT THEY FINAL PRESS WAS  22 MILLION ON THAT PARTICULAR.  PROPERTY IRONICALLY AFTER  WHOLE AISLES OF THE FEW TO  FELL THROUGH BECAUSE OF  DOWNTURN IN REAL ESTATE  MARKET. THE OWNERS WANTED TO  BE AT ITS FROM THE CITY  BECAUSE NOW PAYING CITY TAXES  THAN AND THAT JUST WASN'T  GOING TO HAPPEN SO JUST FOR  THOSE AGAIN WARNED HERE FOR  ALL OF THAT WHY THIS LAND HAS  IT AS ZONING DESIGNATION AND  WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING  THAT LAND ANNEXED AND I THINK  IT'S BEEN STATED OTHER  CONVERSATIONS THAT PLAN HAS  ANNEXED INTO APOLOGIES FOR THE  PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT TO  PRODUCE TAX REVENUE. BECAUSE  THAT LAND HAS TO BE SERVICED  BY MUNICIPALITY. SO I JUST  WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE  HISTORY. AS COMMISSIONER  ELRICH SAID YOU KNOW BEEN HERE  SINCE 1990'S SO HAVE SEEN A  HISTORY OF A LOT OF THESE  DEVELOPMENTS AND I WAS ALWAYS  INVOLVED IN THAT YES I WAS  THAT ONE IS THAT THAT COMMENT  STAND ALL THE TIME SAYING  THINGS I DID HAVE A THIS IS  FOR STAFF WORTHY OF THE ON  THIS HANDOUT THAT THEY  RECEIVED ABOUT WETLANDS. IT  BILL ANY ASIAN OF  JURISDICTIONAL WETLAND  REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY  SWIFTMUD.  >> SO MY QUESTION IS THIS WITH  MY ITS MY UNDERSTANDING I JUST  WANTED TO CONFIRM THIS OR  CLARIFY WITH MY DETERMINES THE  VALUE OF WETLANDS THAT THERE  ARE WETLANDS BUT IF THEY DON'T  CONSIDER THEM TO BE. A VALUE  THAT TO BE PRESERVED BECAUSE  THERE ARE WETLANDS BEING  PRESERVED SO I'M GATHERING  THOSE ARE VALUABLE WETLANDS  WHERE AS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT  BEING. THEY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH  VALUE WHICH IS WHY SWIFTMUD TO  MAKE DETERMINATION OF WHAT CAN  GO AND WHAT CAN STAY. I'M  HOPING I MY QUESTION.  >> AND THIS RAMBLING POINT  COLLEGE PLANNING AND ZONING.  SO THE STATE TOOK AWAY ALL A  STORY THAT CITIES HAVE TO  MITIGATE THE WETLANDS. SO THAT  WILL BE DONE COMPLETELY TO  THEM. ALL RIGHT. SO THEY  DETERMINE. WHICH WETLAND STAY  AND WHICH ONES. DALBEC HAS ON  ON THIS HANDOUT IT SHOWING  THERE'S AIR WETLANDS THAT ARE  GOING. NOT STAYING CORRECT SO  THEY MADE THAT DETERMINATION.  >> YES MA'AM MAYOR AFTER THE  RECORD JEFFREY, THEN I'M GOING  TO OUR EXPERT A MISTER GLENN  OR 2 TO RESPOND YOUR QUESTION.  IN 10 GO AND ARE FOR THE  RECORD I'VE BEEN SWORN.  >> SO THE PROCESS IS  ENVIRONMENT OR THE ECOLOGIST  THAT PART OF OUR TEAM. THOSE  OUT FLAGS ARE IDENTIFIES WHAT  THEY BELIEVE ARE THE WETLANDS  FOR THE PROPERTY. THEN THEY  HAVE TO REQUIRE REQUIRED HAVE  WITH MY OR THE OVERSEEING  JURISDICTION COME OUT AND  VERIFY VOTES. SO THAT'S WHAT  THIS DOCUMENT INDICATING PAT  VERIFICATION BY AGENCY HAS  DELINEATED THOSE AND AGREED  UPON WHAT WETLANDS HAVE BEEN  IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE  PROCESS.  >> ALL RIGHT AND IT WON'T  VERIFIED THAT. IS A 123 ACRES.  WETLANDS THAT ARE REMAINING ON  THE PROPERTY. BUT I HAVE HERE  FOR NUMBER.  >> MADAM MAYOR AGAIN HONOR FOR  THE RECORD. SO I'M JUST GOING  TO BRIEFLY GO AGAIN WE ARE  PRESERVING OR IDENTIFY OVER A  180 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE.  WITHIN THAT 143 OF THOSE ARE  WETLANDS 143 A WE'RE IMPACTING  BASED ON THE DOCUMENTATION.  THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AS PART  OF THE ERP AND THE MITIGATION  PROCESS APPROXIMATELY 13%.  THOSE WETLAND OVERALL WETLANDS  ON THE SITE. SO THERE'S A  SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT BUT WE HAVE  IDENTIFIED THROUGH ARE  CLUSTERING OF THE DEVELOPMENT  TO RETAIN SIGNIFICANT PORTION  OF THAT APPROXIMATELY 54%  PRESERVED WETLANDS.  >> OK AND SO THE ACREAGE FOR  DEVELOPMENT I HAD 74 ACRES BUT  THAT'S IS THAT LESS THAN THAT  NOW BECAUSE MY ORIGINAL FIGURE  WAS 20 ACRES OFF SO. THAT'S  ACTUALLY GOING TO BE  DEVELOPED. IS LESS THAN 74  ACRES.  >> SO IF I CAN GO THROUGH THE  CALCULATIONS 262 ACRES FOR  RESIDENTIAL RIGHT PORTION. AND  WHAT IS BEING RETAINED A 4.  OPEN-SPACE 180 ACRES. SO. REAL  QUICK. WELL THAT COMES UP TO  74 ACRES. I. YES YEAH THAT IS  MY MATH, EQUALS OR THAT'S GOOD  TO KNOW.  >> SO THAT 74 ACRES IS WHAT'S  GOING TO BE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED  THAT THAT WOULD BE THROUGH  HOUSING SITES.  >> PARKING OKAY, SO I WANTED  TO THE MATH ON THAT THAT'S 20%  OF THE LAND IS BEING  DEVELOPED.  >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT  WE'RE THERE. ALL RIGHT I THAT  QUESTION AND.  ♪ AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CAN  BE ANSWERED, BUT I KNOW THAT  THE  ♪ REZONING IS FOR HIGH DENSITY.  IS IT THE FACT THAT THERE'S  ONLY 74 ACRES THAT CAN BE  DEVELOPED IS THAT LIE. GO FOR  THE HIGH DENSITY BECAUSE  OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE.  MUCH THERE THAT YOU CAN SENT  THAT THAT.  >> FOR THE RECORD IN ATTORNEY  FOR THE APP AND THE THE REASON  FOR THE HIGH DENSITY. WAS  BECAUSE OF THAT THAT AND NORTH  PORT'S OVERALL REGULATORY  SCHEME THAT ALLOWS FOR A  VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES  BECAUSE HERE WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE  PROPOSING. FRIDAY'S OUTSIDE SO  IT'S HOUSING TYPE O K.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT'S IT FOR  THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.  >> QUESTIONS SO NOW WE'RE  MOVING ON TO CLOSING ARGUMENTS  WE DON'T HAVE ANY REED RD SO  STAFF TO HAVE CLOSING  ARGUMENTS.  >> GOOD MORNING CALL BEEN  PLANNING AND ZONING. I JUST  WANT TO REMIND THE STAFF STAFF  THE BOARD THAT WE WERE A LOT  OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE  MENTIONED OR FOR WETLANDS IN  TRAFFIC. A LOT OF THAT STUFF  IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED  FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PETITIONS  OF THE APPROVAL OF THIS RESULT  DOESN'T APPROVE DEVELOPMENT.  SO A LOT OF US THAT WILL BE  ADDRESSED LATER. I DO WANT TO  RESTATE ZONING IS CONSISTENT  WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND  THAT THAN I LOVE THIS  REZONING. WOULD DENY THE HOME  THAT WOULD DENY THE OWNER THE  RIGHT TO USE THE PROPERTY IN  COMPLIANCE WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO STAFF  TO SUPPORT THIS REASON.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  CLOSING ARGUMENTS BY  APPLICANT.  >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR  MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND  AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME  YOU SPENT LAST MEETING IN THIS  MEETING ARE POSED  APPLICATIONS. JUST WANT TO  REITERATE WHAT TO MISTER BENCH  JUST TOLD YOU THAT THE BNP  IT'S IN PROCESS REALLY COMING  TO YOU. IS A NECESSARY STEP  BEFORE THERE'S ANY  DEVELOPMENTS APPROVAL OF THE  REZONING DOES NOT APPROVE ANY  DEVELOPMENT NOBODY CAN GO OUT  TOMORROW AND START AND START  TO DEVELOP THEM. OVER THE  YEARS I ALWAYS GET CONCERNED  WHEN A DOCUMENT SHOWS UP. AND  ESPECIALLY THE SECOND SECOND  READING AND THE DOCUMENT WAS  HANDED OUT TODAY IS AS I  UNDERSTAND IT AND AT LEAST  WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO YOU  ALL DAY LET ME LET ME GO THERE  SO THIS IS. IF IT'S WRONG IT'S  NOT BECAUSE I SAID IT IS, BUT  WHAT YOU WERE TOLD WAS THAT  DOCUMENT WAS PART OF THE FILE  OF YOU WILL THAT'S WHAT MY FOR  THE WETLANDS PERMIT. AND AND  WE WE HEARD WORDS BEING TOSSED  AROUND ABOUT GUARANTEES  GUARANTEES WILL THERE IS ONE  GUARANTEE WE CAN GET TO YOU  ALL AND THE CITIZENS  NORTHWARD. IF THE PERMITS ARE  NOT ISSUED BY SWIFTMUD FOR  DEVELOPMENT THERE WILL BE NO  DEVELOP OR AT LEAST THERE WILL  BE NO DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED  TODAY SO THAT IS THE ONE  GUARANTEE SO SO THE BOTTOM  LINE WETLANDS ISSUE IS IS  THAT. OUR PROPOSED PLAN HAS TO  BE APPROVED BY SWIFTMUD AND IF  IT'S NOT THAT PROPOSED PLAN  CANNOT GO FORWARD. THAT'S NOT  TO SAY. YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S  THERE'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT  HAVE TO BE OBTAINED 2 SEEM TO  BEEN FOCUSING TODAY ON  WETLANDS BUT WITHOUT WEAPONS  FROM SWIFTMUD THAT THIS PLAN  WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MOVE  FORWARD. EDGE AS YOU ALL KNOW  YOU HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING  THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT MAYOR  WHITE I WAS RIGHT THERE WITH  YOU AND ALL THOSE PUBLIC  HEARINGS EVEN THOUGH I DID  WORK ON HOUSING THAT BRIAN  WHATEVER HIS NAME IS TOM RIGHT  BRIAN SEEM TO ALWAYS WANT TO  WELLEN PARK WHAT'S NOW IN PART  WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT. SO I  WAS ALL THOSE MEETINGS AND  YOUR RECOLLECTION OF ALL THAT  IS ACCURATE AT LEAST IS  CONSISTENT WITH MONTHLY PUT IT  THAT WAY. THIS PROPERTY WAS  ANNEXED INTO THE CITY TO BE  DEVELOPED. IT WAS NOT INDEXED  TO BE CONSERVATION. IN FACT IT  WAS MEANT TO BE CONSERVATION  OR MENTOR REMAIN AGRICULTURAL  FOREVER. IT NEVER WOULD HAVE  BEEN ANNEXED BECAUSE ALL THAT  DOES IS AND CITY TAXES TO THE  PROPERTY OWNER WHO COULD DO  WHATEVER. HE WANTED TO DO IN  THE COUNTY ALONG THOSE LINES  WITHOUT ANNEX THE CITY. I DO  THINK AS MISTER EGELAND  EMPHASIZED AGAIN TODAY  RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS. THIS  DEVELOPMENT, THE MP THAT'S IN  PROCESS TO YOU ALL. ALLOWS FOR  A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT. LAST MAP  I SAW WAS 71 OR 72% OF THE  PROPERTY I WOULD NOT BE  DEVELOPED. THAT'S REMARKABLE  QUITE FRANKLY FOR PROPERTY OF  OF THIS SIZE AND I WORK ON A  LOT OF PROPERTIES OVER THE  THAT ARE LARGE LIKE THIS ONE.  AND WITH THAT MUCH SAID I JUST  WANT TO FINISH WITH THE  PROPOSED REZONING YOU HAVE  BEFORE YOU IT'S CONSISTENT  WITH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE  CITY'S UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE  MORE THAN ADEQUATE COMPETENT  SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE  RECORD IN SUPPORT OF THE A  RECENT APPROVAL, WE WOULD  RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OR ALL  RIGHT. OKAY CLOSING THIS.  PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING  AND REQUEST A MOTION. MAKE HIT  AND MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4, DASH 0, 5,  AND FIND THAT BASED ON  COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE  REZONING WILL NOT ADVERSELY  AFFECT PUBLIC INTEREST HEALTH  SAFETY GENERAL WELFARE THAT  THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND  CITY OF NORTH PORT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE  STANDARDS LISTED SECTION ONE  DASH 33 E ONE PER N THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  HAPPENED THAT. ALL RIGHT WE  HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE MADE  BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO ADOPT  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0,  5,  >> AND FIND THAT BASED ON THE  COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE  THE REZONING WILL NOT  ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC  INTEREST HEALTH SAFETY AND  WELFARE AND THAT THIS SPECIFIC  REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN AND THE STANDARDS LISTED  IN SECTION ONE DASH 33.  >> POINT ONE OF THE NIGHT. YOU  NOT UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE HAVE BEEN MET AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON IF THERE'S NOTHING  ELSE.  >> MAYOR BEFORE DELIBERATE  VOTE AYE. JUST ABOUT TO YES  RIGHT. WITH US MAYBE I JUST  WANT TO POINT OUT AND REMIND  THE BOARD THAT THIS  APPLICATION RELATES REZONING  OF THIS PROPERTY DOES NOT  RELATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF  THE PROPERTY OR THE  DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN IN  YOUR MEETING MATERIALS, YOU  HAVE SEEN THE MOTION MAKER  FOLLOWED THE SAMPLE MOTION TO  APPROVE. YOU ALSO HAVE A  SAMPLE MOTION TO DENY IF  ANYONE IS INCLINED TO VOTE  AGAINST 9TH THIS PROJECT. THE  THE BASES MUST FOLLOW THE  LEGAL PORT IN A SIMPLE MOTION  TO DENY SO I JUST WANTED TO  REMIND THE BOARD THAT AND MAKE  SURE OUR RECORD IS CLEAR ON  THAT POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANK  YOU.  >> SO WE DO HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY AGAIN VICE MAYOR HAS  STATED. SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SO AND  THAT PASSES 3 TO 2 WITH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND  RICH. DISSENTING FOR REASONS  STATED. THANK YOU.  >> DID NOT GIVE A REASON  TONIGHT, OK. SO REGARDLESS OF  WHAT THE COMP APPROVAL WAS 4  FOR DENSITY RESIDENTIAL I ALSO  BEEN PROJECT FROM THE  BEGINNING. I VOTED FOR IT.  LAST TIME AT FIRST READING  BECAUSE I REALLY FELT LIKE  THERE WAS NO NO LEGAL BASIS TO  DID NOT. BUT TODAY I AM TO 9 I  CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIENCE  CONTINUE TO REZONE OUR  PROPERTY. FOR AN AREA THAT IS  VERY SENSITIVE FOR EVEN MORE  RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THOSE  ARE THE REASONS FOR DID YOU  WANT TO STAY ANY OF THOSE JUST  IN MORNING ASKED. ALL  >> LOOKING FOR THE WILL OF THE  BOARD I'M WILLING TO GO ON TO  THE NEXT ITEM WE OKAY WITH AND  THEN BREAK  >> WE'RE GETTING INTO  LUNCHTIME WHEN WE JUST  PERSEVERE TOO  >> I WOULD SAY DO ONE MORE ONE  MORE AND THEN BREAK LAUNCH  SURE SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM  THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  0, 2 CITY CLERK AND YOU READ  THIS BY TITLE ONLY.  >> FOR MONTGOMERY  TWENTY-TWENTY 4 DASH 0, 2, AND  ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT FLORIDA AND AXING  VACCINATE 2.4 9 ONE ACRES OF  REAL PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE  NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH  RIVER ROAD AND SOUTH TAMIAMI  TRAIL AND PROBATED AREA OF  SARASOTA CONTINUOUS TODAY  EXISTING CITY LIMITS OF THE  CITY IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA  REDEFINING THE BOUNDARY LINES  OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT TO  INCLUDE THE PROPERTY WRITING  FOR FINDINGS, PROVIDING  ANNEXATION MENDING THAT  OFFICIAL ZONING MAP PROVIDING  FOR ASSESSMENT AND TAXATION  PROVIDING FOR FILING OF  DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE COMPLEX  PROVIDING SEVERABILITY AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> ALRIGHT CITY CLERK TO DO  THAT SO WELL IN QUICKLY. CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM  THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR. THE  CITY COMMISSION HEARD THIS I  DON'T HAVE EVERY 3, 7, 2024.  >> NOTED BY DUE TO CONTINUE  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 GO TO 2  SECOND READING ON WORKED OH  YES, AND THE CITY COMMISSION  THE DOT 23 DASH BUTTON US 41.  AND TAMIAMI TRAIL ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2, 0, 2, DASH 2, TODAY.  THANK  >> THANK YOU LOOKING FOR  COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S  CLOSING THIS PUBLIC AIRING AND  REQUESTING A MOTION. MAKE A  MOTION MAN AMERICA IT.  >> I MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2024 DASH 0, 2 AS  PRESENTED.  >> ALL  >> RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION TO  ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024  DASH 0, 2, AS PRESENTED MADE  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON AND  THEN AND SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR STOKES IF THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE.  >> I LIKE THIS ON MAYOR, I'M  SORRY GO AHEAD.  >> A PART OF THIS MOTION IS  APPROVING I'M SORRY THE  OFFICIAL ZONING MAP. THE  OFFICIAL ZONING MAP I HAD  BROUGHT UP NUMEROUS TIMES  PREVIOUSLY DURING AGENDA  BRIEFINGS. ZONING MAP THAT WE  ARE APPROVING WITH ORDINANCE  IS NOT ACCURATE. FOR ONE THE  ZONING MAP DOES NOT REFLECT  THE APPROVAL OF THE SOUTH EAST  CORNER OF RIVER ROAD IN 41  WHICH WAS APPROVED FEBRUARY  27TH. IT ALSO DOES REFLECT.  REZONE THAT WE JUST APPROVED.  NO ZONING DESIGNATION TO  RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY. AT  THIS POINT IN TIME I DON'T  KNOW. IS THIS A SECOND  READING. THIS HAS NOT BEEN  IT'S NOT CORRECT. I SEE MISS  RIGHT COMING DOWN TO ANSWER  THAT  ♪ THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.  ELAINE, RYAN DIRECTOR  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.  >> THE CODE ALSO SAYS WE HAVE  30 DAYS TO AMEND THE MAP TO  REFLECT ANY CHANGES ONCE THE  ADOPTION IS COMPLETE SO WHEN  AMEND THESE MAPS AND THIS IS  ♪ >> AN AMENDMENT. SPECIFICALLY  STATES THAT IT APPLIES TO THIS  PARCEL DOES NOT APPLY TO ANY  OTHER PARCEL OTHERWISE IT  WOULD BE COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE  TO HAVE TO REZONINGS AND A  SECOND READING IN THE SAME  MEETING OR TOO EXTENSIONS WON  AN EXTENSION AND A REZONING  AND THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE WAY  THE STATE. ENABLES US TO TO  ACT SO. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO  REFLECT ALL OF THE CHANGES  THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. RECENTLY  OR EVEN TODAY. WE HAVE TIME TO  AMEND THAT TO REFLECT ALL OF  THOSE CHANGES AND THE BOARD'S  THE COMMISSION'S ACTION TODAY  FOR THIS ITEM AND THIS MAP  RELATES ONLY TO THE PARCEL  THAT MENTIONED IN THE OR.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT  CLARIFICATION. AND THE THING  ELSE. WE DO HAVE A MOTION IN A  SECOND. LET'S. THAT PASSES 5  TO 0. I WOULD LIKE JUST TO DO  THE NEXT WITH  THAT HERE WITH.  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO ITEM  C ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH  0, 4, CITY CLERK THIS BY TITLE  2024. GUESS ORDINANCE OF THE  FLORIDA AMENDING THE UNIFIED  COMFORT RECREATE THE REVISED  FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  AGENCY, FLOOD INSURANCE STUDY.  >> AND SO SURE GREAT MAPS AND  RELATED DEFINITIONS BY  AMENDING SECTION 17 DASH 9.17  DASH 84 BIDEN FOR FINDINGS  PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY  PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE  ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR OF  CITY COMMISSION HEARD THIS  ITEM AND THAT EVERY 27 2024  VOTED 5 TO 0 TO CONTINUE  ORDINANCE NUMBER 23 4 DASH  BEFORE SECOND READING ON WORST  OF IT. MISSION OF DOT WITH THT  DASH 23 DASH 2, SO ORDINANCE  2, 0, 2, 4, DASH O FOR TODAY.  >> ALL RIGHT THANK  COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. NOT  SEEING ANY MOVING ON TO PUBLIC  COMMENT. AND OUT COMES OKAY. I  GOT ALL DOWN THE YOU KNOW SHE  WAS CALLED.  >> COUNTER THAT.  >> I GUESS WHAT.  >> PRESIDENT OR AS THE U.S..  DO YOU WANT TO MAKE YOUR  PUBLIC COMMENT. MISTER  ENGLISH. ON THIS ITEM.  ACTUALLY WHICH KNOW WE HAD  THIS IS THE FEMA MAPS.  >> I  >> GET RESPECTIVE TO THE POINT  SOME OF YOU WERE CONSIDERING  NOT NEW EVEN CONSIDER THAT.  PEOPLE. KNOWINGLY YOU KNOW  HARM'S WAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT  COMES TO PURCHASING PROPERTY.  BECAUSE. MANY OF REALTORS ARE.  THEY SOMETIMES DON'T DISCLOSE  ALL THE DETAILS. IN A SALE.  YOU KNOW THEY SHOULD AND  THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. NOT THESE  MAPS WOULD BE DETRIMENT TO THE  COMMUNITY AND FUTURE RESIDENTS  THAT MOVE HERE.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK MUCH THIS  IS OUR SECOND READING THIS SO  I'M LOOKING. CLOSING PUBLIC  HEARING AND REQUESTING A  MOTION MAKE IT.  >> MOVE TO ADOPT ORDINANCE  NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4 DASH 0, 4, A  SPEECH SECOND.  >> OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO ADOPT  ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 0,  4, AS PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON IF  THERE'S NOTHING AND THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0. IT A THIS IS MY  GO TO AIR THAT'S WHY  >> WE ARE AT 1143 AND IS THAT  THE WILL OF THE BOARD TO BREAK  FOR LUNCH AND IF SO HOW MUCH  TIME DO WANT.  >> MINUTES HOW MUCH ARE OKAY  30 MINUTES, SO WE'LL BE BACK  AT WELL THERE. CALL IT A K  MAKE AN BE BACK.  >> PLEASE STAY SAFE OUT THERE.  ♪ >> OH MY GOSH.  ♪ >> AND GOES NUMBER 2. YOUR JOB  NEVER STOPPED YOU KNOW, I  DON'T THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO  DECOMPOSE.  ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT KIND LIKE A CHAMP  THERE ARE WAYS OF OUR GET  >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CASH  IN THE WATER. THEY DO YOUR  PART IN LAB.  ♪ ♪ TEAM HAS STEADILY ANYTHING  ALSO LIKE THIS CAN BE A  PROBLEM FOR WILL IT.  ♪ >> WORD TO RECOVER.  ♪ >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO  OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR  SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A  GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST  I WAS RECYCLED DRIVER FOR 5  YEARS FOR THEIR CITY, POINT  AND THEN I BECAME THE PLAN A  SCHEDULE AFTER TAKING AN  INTEREST EDUCATING RESIDENTS  ON HOW TO RECYCLE PROPERLY MY  POSITION MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY  I START OUT BY VISITING THE  NEW RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE  GARBAGE AND RECYCLING  CONTAINERS TO BE DELIVERED AND  I WILL GO SEE THEM AND EDUCATE  THEM ON A SOLID WASTE  GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE  FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER  THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE  CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT  CYCLE  ♪ CONTAINERS MANUALLY. FOR  CONTAMINATION. AND THEN I WILL  TAKE CALLS FROM DRIVERS IF  THERE'S ANY ISSUES WITH  ♪ A REPEAT. GARBAGE IN RECYCLE  AND I WILL GO EDUCATE THE WHAT  I LOVE MOST ABOUT THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT IS THERE ARE  FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.  ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID  WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY  COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE  THEM  ♪ ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S  ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO  RECYCLE PROPERLY.  PROMISE  ALWAYS MANAGES TO THE NORTH  PORT.  >> HERE TODAY, WITH MARY OF  ANY PLAYER SCHEDULE FOR THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE  DIVISION WE'RE GOING TO TALK  ABOUT PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT.  >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY  SET OUT WHAT YOU THINK PLACE  OUT WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE  WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK  ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN  THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE  IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING  TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S  NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES  CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH VICTIMS ARE A GOOD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1650  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE CUBIC ANY  QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S NOT  GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050.  ♪ >> I'M  >> STACEY LOVES OF EMERGENCY  MANAGER FOR CITY WORK AND I'M  GOING DISCUSS FIRST RESPONDERS  AFTER STORM, SO IT MAY TAKE A  WHILE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS TO  GET THE STORM AND DUE TO A  VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE ALL  FIRST RESPONDERS OFF THE  ROADS, THE TROPICAL STORM  FORCE WINDS ARE SUSTAINED FOR  THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A  STANDARD USUALLY COSTS AND  OTHER SO WE WILL HAVE A  BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE COME  IN DURING THE STORM THAT  PRIORITIZE BASED AND THE OTHER  RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE  CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON  THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS MIGHT  BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT BE  DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE  TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL  BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO  CLEAR THE ROADS ANY HAUSER'S A  SKILL THAT OUR  ♪ VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE. JUST KEEP  THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL  AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS,  WE ARE COMING. WE ARE VERY  IMPORTANT AS WE CARE ABOUT OUR  RESIDENTS AND THEIR SAFETY BUT  IT MAY JUST ALLOWED FOR US TO  GET TO THE ON LIST OF THE  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS. YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY WATER THEY ARE  GOING SEE STORM SURGE FLOODING  OVER NEXT OR SO STORM SURGE IS  STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN ARE  CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A LONG  PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE GOAL  PUSHING WATER UP ONTO WILL NOT  HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF  FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, THE GULF AND THEN  THE WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM  FROM THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO  DO. BECAUSE WATER TO BACK  FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH A LOT  OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM ALSO  CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER  FLOODING INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING WELL. PUBLIC  WORKS WITH A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR AND WANT JUST STORM SURGE  AND FLOODING IN OUR WATER IF  YOU WANTED TO SHOW INFORMATION  ♪ ABOUT THAT WE HAVE A GREAT  DEAL ABOUT A LOT FOLKS  >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL US ON THE  AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR  PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT  WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH  PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO  TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR  FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE  RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY  UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE  LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR  CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE  AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS FLOATING BEFORE  WE ACTUALLY LEARNED SWIMMING.  THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED FOR  THOSE CHILDREN AGES 6 MONTHS  TO 4 AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO  DO IS WE WANT THEM TO GET  COMFORTABLE IN THE WATER AND  IF THEY ACTUALLY FALL IN THE  WATER OR FIND THEMSELVES IN A  TROUBLED SITUATION, THEY CAN  ROLL OVER THEIR BACK AND FLOAT  WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM  I THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE  THAT WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING  THIS MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU  WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO  OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO  SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT  THE AQUATIC CENTER AND  ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO  COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA  WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES  THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO  THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED  MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS  THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE  MILESTONE WE CAN CONTINUE  MOVING ON THROUGH THEM AND AT  THE END OF IT IT'S A PRETTY  AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN THEY  GRADUATE AS ONE OF THE FINAL  THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY  JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY  HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON  THEIR BACK AND ACTUALLY BE  ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND  THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST  AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM  THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR  LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT  WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE  KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON  AND AROUND THE WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW  REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL  PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN  DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE  5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT  EXCELLENT SO TELL PEOPLE WHAT  IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO. THE  PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR SOLID  WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT AND  AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS  TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON  RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS  INTERESTING VERY AREA WHEN HE  FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING BIN  SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S  TRY TO TELL THE PEOPLE HOW TO  RECYCLE MOST COMMON THING I  FIND FRANCIS PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER FOR THE RECYCLE WITH  HIM SHOULD SIDE COUNTRY THAT'S  RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE  CONTAINERS. AND THEY SHOULD BE  YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY  STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH  EVERY YOU SEE A LOT OF  RECYCLING INSIDE THE  CONTAINERS I COME ACROSS A LOT  WANT TO DO THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET  EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S  IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS  SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE  PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME  AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR  BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR  HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE  DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND  THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T  WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE  AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE  THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK  ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU  MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF  TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO  YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO  THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE  ♪ BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN  TUNED IN TO 97 POINT.  >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS.  >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE  GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE  USED TO DETERMINE THE  LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF  YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR  HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES  ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA  THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL  HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR  HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING. WITHIN  US AFTER STORM EVENT WATER  SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL UP TO  72 HOURS AFTER THE STORM. THAT  ALLOWS THE FILTER TO GET THE  STUFF THAT CAME OUT FOR ROOM  AND THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER  SO THAT WHEN REACHES THE  HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS  ♪ IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT ERODES ROADWAYS ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP  TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL  PRODUCTS FACILITY MANAGER WITH  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND  TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED  EVALUATIONS SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  MORE DOING THAT'S SOMETHING  YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL  HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL  ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS  WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE  WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A  SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS  CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I  CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE  CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK ALL  SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK  DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND  WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE  TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST  TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A  CHALLENGE FOR THEM AT THAT  POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT  WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN  GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD  UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL  THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE  HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN  WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE  DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM  A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE  YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR  EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN  SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN  THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO  ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN  YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS  SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR  PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND  HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY  TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A  DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S  HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM OPTION WOULD BE GO  TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE  COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK AWAY  SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION  WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR  EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA  COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY  ♪ SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE  FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT  NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK  ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT  ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF AND  THE DESOTO MANATEE AND  SARASOTA COUNTY PORTIONS OF  THE BIG SLOW. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS  PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR PONDING  OCCURS AND LOW-LYING AREAS  THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED BY  POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER  SATURATED SOILS WITH  BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS  THE GROUND IS TOTALLY  SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE  RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE  SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF  ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO  79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS.  >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION  DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH  EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF  WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED  DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED.  WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE  DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE  CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS  RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF  THE WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS  PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE  IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT  RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO  RESPONSE AND RECOVERY MODE  QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE  OUT THERE.  >> OH MY GOSH.  ♪ >> AND GOES NUMBER 2. YOUR JOB  NEVER STOPPED YOU KNOW, I  DON'T THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO  DECOMPOSE.  ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT KIND LIKE A CHAMP  THERE ARE WAYS OF OUR GET  >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CASH  IN THE WATER. THEY DO YOUR  PART IN LAB.  ♪ ♪ TEAM HAS STEADILY ANYTHING  ALSO LIKE THIS CAN BE A  PROBLEM FOR WILL IT.  ♪ >> WORD TO RECOVER.  >> IT'S AGAIN TOO ORDER AT  LUNCH BREAK. MOVING ON TO  RESOLUTIONS. HE IS IN DAVID.  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH R  DASH 10. CITY CLERK CAN YOU  READ THIS BY TITLE ONLY  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 R DASH  RESOLUTION OF THE CITY  COMMISSION OF  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT, FL  AMENDING THE NON-DISTRICT  BUDGET AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT  BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR.  >> 2023 TO 2024 ADDITIONAL 0.5  FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT FOR WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS.  REHABILITATION PROJECT AND  PARKS MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND  THE AMOUNT OUT OF FINDINGS  POSTING BY THE COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR.  >> OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS A  BUDGET AMENDMENT TO HANDLE A  FEW PROBLEMS THAT WE WHAT  FIRST ONE OF THOSE CHANGING  IN. HAVE ACCORDING TO A  FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. WELL WE  COULD TOUCH BALL THAT SERVICE,  A 2.2 MILLION DOLLARS YOU  MIGHT BE WITH THE DEPARTMENT  IS BUILDING WAS DESTROYED  DURING HURRICANE IAN AND  FINDING FUNDING FOR THAT  PROJECT AS WELL OF ONE 0.3  MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE ARE  ASKING THAT YOU ALLOW US TO  SPOKE TO THE ROOM CALL THIS  THE SOLUTION IT WOULD HAVE  QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE  BELIEVE. HASN'T COME WELL.  >> DID YOU DO WANT TO COME UP  NOW. THAT MIGHT ANSWER SOME OF  OUR QUESTIONS.  >> AND HIM IN A STRAIGHTER I  DO HAVE CHANGE TO MAKE SLIGHT  CHANGE IN PARKS MAINTENANCE  BUILDING. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE  8,580 FROM PARK IMPACT FEES.  ON BALANCE.  >> AND ONLY 175 FROM THE  LEGACY TRAIL. IN THE SURTAX  FUND. SO THE SAME AMOUNT JUS  ADJUSTING 8,508 THAT YEAH.  >> IF THAT'S WHERE HAS THE PET  MAIN LEGACY TRAIL EXTENSION  PARKING RIGHT.  >> IRWIN.  >> ACROSS THE DOUBTS AND I CAN  SEE IT IN ONE NEEDS TO 5.80  IT'S GOING TO BE 175,000.  >> AND THAT ADDITIONAL 8,580  WILL COME FROM PARK IMPACT THE  FUN BALLOTS, INSTEAD, OKAY.  >> SO THE NEW FUNDING SHOULD  BE INCREASED BY 8587, THANKS.  >> THE TOTAL FUNDING STAYS THE  RIGHT JUST FROM A DIFFERENT  POCKET. BUT BEFORE ANY  COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS. MISTER  LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR I DO HAVE A  FEW QUESTIONS AND SAVE MY  COMMENTS FOR LATER.  >> THE HALF OF A FULL-TIME  EQUIVALENT, WHAT'S THAT JOB.  >> YEAH IT WAS THE RECREATION  ATTENDANT. IT WAS A FULL-TIME  POSITION AND  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THEY TOOK  A HALF OF AN FTE AND MOVED IT  OVER TO.  >> THE AQUATICS. BECAUSE THEY  NEEDED TO INCREASE. I BELIEVE  IT WAS A.  >> YES AND IF AND HOW PARKS  RECREATION DIRECTOR WE NEEDED  RECLASSIFIED A POOL TECHNICIAN  THAT IF HUNTER FROM PART-TIME  TO FULL-TIME WE HAVE THE  FUNDING TO DO THAT. BUT WE DID  NOT HAVE A POSITION TO DO THAT  WE DO HAVE TAKEN THAT HALF FT.  >> JUST WE JUST PUTTING MORE  BACK TO WHAT IT WAS GOING  PROVE THE BUDGET. NO  ADDITIONAL FUNDS ARE NEEDED  BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MOVE ANY  FUNDS AROUND FOR THIS.  >> I HAVE A NUMBER OF  QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE  ATTACHED PROJECT, BUT HOPE MY  COMMENTS TO LATER. I'M THE  SEA.  >> THE.  >> CIP ON THE OLD MASTER PLAN  IMPLEMENTATION. I BELIEVE AND  CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I  THINK THIS WHILE AGO LEFT THAT  LESS THAT HIGHWAY. AND WENT  DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS SO. WHY  ARE WE STILL SEEING THIS WHY  HASN'T IT BEEN REWRITTEN MY  UNDERSTANDING WASN'T THAT WE  APPROVE THAT 9 AND A HALF 4.  PHASE ONE OF THAT PROJECT FOR  THE WATER AND SEWER IN  ADDRESSING THE BUILDINGS THAT  ARE IN SUCH DISARRAY YET, I'M  STILL SAYING.  >> THIS COMING FROM THE OLD  MASTER PLAN. I'M JUST I'M  CONFUSED.  >> PART IT W AM TO 02:00AM HE  TO 02:00AM HE MINERAL SPRINGS  PARK MASTER PLAN  IMPLEMENTATION. I MAY HAVE  PULLED THIS FROM THE NEXT  CONGRESS THAT HAS NOTHING TO  DO WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT  OKAY AND THEN ALL HOW DO  ACCOUNT. YEAH MOST OF MY OTHER  QUESTIONS ARE ON THE  INDIVIDUAL CIP SO ALL THAT  BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE NET  NEXT CONVERSATION.  >> OK THANK YOU IDEA. ALL  RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DOING  WITH THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  BUILDING RESTORATION, IT'S.  >> TAKING  >> $250,000 FUND BALANCE AND  PUTTING IT. AGAINST WHOPPING  500,008 HAS UNCERTAIN MONEY  TOO. THE PARK MAINTENANCE  BUILDING. AND BEEN ANOTHER 250  FROM WARM MINERAL SPRINGS FUND  BALANCE AND 250 FROM PARK  IMPACT A FUND IT'S AGAIN IT'S  JUST AS WELL. YEAH WELL THAT  WE ARE NOT TAKING ANYTHING  AWAY FROM LITTLE NOTICE SEE  PART OF THE PART OF THE THING  IS IS IT.  >> STAFF HAD MULTIPLE  CONVERSATIONS I WOULD ASSUME  ON HOW BEST TO THINGS AROUND.  WE DON'T GET TO DISCUSS THAT  SO THIS IS STILL RELATIVELY  NEW TO AND I'M TRYING TO WRAP  MY HEAD AROUND THIS BUDGET  AMENDMENT. I SAW THAT THE  TITLE BLACK HAD CHANGED I DID  NOT KNOW THAT THE ACTUAL  RESOLUTION AND ACTUAL FULL  AMENDMENT ALSO CHANGED. SO I  WAS GOING OLD RESOLUTION NOT  KNOWING THE RESOLUTION.  CHANGED ITSELF. SO.  >> WITH ALL OF THESE PROJECTS  GOING FROM PARK.  >> ALL OF THESE PARKS PROJECTS  THAT WERE ORIGINALLY FUNDED  WITH IT'S LOOKING LIKE THAT  SURTAX MONEY IS NOW GOING TO  TURN INTO PARK IMPACT FEES  MONEY. ON THOSE PROJECTS ARE  MOST OF THEM. YES.  >> WE MAY NOT PARK IMPACT FEES  WHEN WE BUDGETED THESE  PROJECTS.  >> CAN WE TAKE SURTAX MONEY  AND PUT IT INTO PARK IMPACT OR  NOT. WE'RE TAKING THAT SURTAX  MONEY PUTTING INTO THE DALLAS  WHITE PARK MAINTENANCE  BUILDING PROJECT. WE'RE NOT  PUTTING SURTAX IN THE PARK  IMPACT FEES FOR JUST. POPPING  HOW IT'S BEING BUDGET HOW IT'S  BEING FUNDED. IF I MAY I'M SO  FAR IN PROJECT WE DID NOT HAVE  ENOUGH FUNDING.  >> THERE WAS NO SURTAX  AVAILABLE THAT WASN'T ALREADY  IDENTIFIED FOR OTHER PROJECTS,  SO PARKS AND RECREATION LOOK  AT OUR OWN PROJECTS THAT WE  HAD ALREADY APPROVED THAT HAD  SURTAX FUNDING THAT COULD BE  TO SUPPORT THIS THAT WE COULD  THAT ALSO QUALIFY FOR PARK  IMPACT FEE FUNDING WHICH IN  IDENTIFY AT THE TIME, THOSE  PROFITS WERE FIRST. THEY PUT  IT SUPPORTED BY PUBLIC IMPACT  THE FUNDING SO WE'RE JUST  TRYING SWITCH BOUGHT OUT.  EVERYTHING WOULD BE FUNDED THE  SAME, BUT WE NEED ADDITIONAL  FUNDS IN SURTAX TO GO TO PARK  MAINTENANCE SO THAT WE CAN  COMPLETE THAT PROJECT AND  THAT'S THAT'S THE TEMPORARY  COMPLEX. ALSO HAS SOME  PERMANENT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT  WILL BE PART OF THAT SO THAT A  COMPLEX TO WORK OUT OF IT BUT  NOT OF SINCE HURRICANE. LET ME  GET TO THE MOMENT. SO YOU HAVE  ALL OF THESE PERKS. PROJECTS.  >> THAT CURRENT THEY ARE  FUNDED BY SO INSTEAD OF USING  SURTAX MONEY YOU'RE TAKING  THAT MONEY AND PUTTING IT  TOWARDS THE PARK MAINTENANCE  BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL  PROJECTS ARE THEN GOING TO BE  FUNDED BY ON THE BALANCE FROM  PARK IMPACT  >> HAVE IT NOW  >> THIS WAS EXTREMELY  CONFUSING. ALL RIGHT SO NOW I  HAVE TO ASK WHAT HAPPENED TO  THE OC BILL. THAT WAS ON THE  ORIGINAL WHAT HAPPENED TO  THAT.  >> IT IT WOULD REMOVE BECAUSE  YOU ARE HAVING CONVERSATION  REGARDING USING SURTAX AND WE  DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE APPROVE  THAT WITHOUT HAVING MADE THE  DECISION IS EXPECTED CAUSE.  OKAY SO THAT'S COMING AT  ANOTHER TIME. IT DIDN'T OKAY.  >> MOMENT CITY MANAGER NOT  TRYING TO GET THERE AS QUICKLY  AS I CAN.  >> SO.  >> I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION  FOR CITY ATTORNEY. CAN WE.  >> LEGALLY MOVE.  >> VOTER APPROVED SURTAX  PROJECTS. THAT ARE ON A LIST.  2 PROJECTS THAT AREN'T ON THE  LIST SIRTEX. I HOPE THAT'S  CLEAR AS MUD.  >> THAT THAT'S KIND OF A  BROADER QUESTION THAT THAT WE  CAN RESEARCH BUT GENERALLY  PROVIDED THAT. THE BASED ON  WHAT WE PROVIDE THE PROJECTS  ARE WITHIN THE CATEGORIES THAT  HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. THAT IS  A LOT OF IT I HAVE NOT SAID  REALLY GO REVIEW OF THE LIST  OF SURTAX. PROJECTS THAT YOU  IDENTIFIED AND COMPARE THAT TO  THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE  REGULATIONS OR THE ADOPTING.  INSTRUMENTS OKAY, SO. IF I  COULD.  >> QUICKLY KIMMELMAN SPINE  INSTRUCTOR JUST REMINDER.  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURTAX 3  THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT WAS  VOTED ON THE RECENT EXTENSION  TO SURTAX FOR VOTERS APPROVE  SIRTEX 3 IN THESE PROJECTS ARE  IN SEARCH EXPERT. AND THAT  LIST AND AND PARKS MAINTENANCE  BUILDING IS NOT ANY LIST  THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION IS  GOING.  >> SO THAT VOTE WOULD HAVE  HAPPENED WENDY.  >> THERE'S A  >> WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY  >> MANY MANY CHANGES SINCE  DIRECTLY AND THAT'S WHY I'M  ASKING THESE QUESTIONS OF  VOTERS APPROVED SIRTEX 3 THAT  PROJECT SIRTEX FOR THAT  PROJECTS NOW WE'RE MOVING  MONEY AROUND TO A PROJECT THAT  DOESN'T EVEN EXIST ON THE  VOTER APPROVED 3 OR 4.  >> AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING BACK  TO REVIEW THOSE ENABLING  INSTRUMENTS HOWEVER, GENERALLY  THE BALLOT QUESTIONS VOTE TO  IMPOSE A SURTAX AND IN GENERAL  AND THEN THE COMMISSION ADOPTS  PROJECTS WITHIN DIFFERENT  CATEGORIES LONG AS OUR  PROJECTS FALL WITHIN THOSE  CATEGORICAL DESCRIPTIONS AND  THERE IS TYPICALLY NO LEGAL  ISSUE.  >> OK SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE  THE BUDGET AMENDMENT. USING  SURTAX MONEY. THE CITY  ATTORNEY HAS TO DO SOME ARE  EVEN USED TO MAKE SURE THAT  THE CATEGORIES ARE THERE. I'M  GOING IN CIRCLES AND I'M  TRYING NOT TO BUT I WANT TO  MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING  THE WILL OF THE VOTERS WHEN  THEY APPROVED SURTAX BECAUSE  IF WE START WORKING WITH THAT.  THEN THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO  BE UPSET AND THAT'S  JEOPARDIZING SIRTEX 5.  >> I JUST WANT TO I WANT TO BE  CLEAR MY COMMENTS AS WANTS AS  AN ADDITIONAL MOMENT WE DID  BRING IN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE  MONEY FOR START X 3. THEN WE  PROJECTED IN THE BEGINNING 20  YEARS AGO. SO IT CAME AS MORE  COMES IN PROJECTS ARE  >> AND I WOULD SAY THIS IS NOT  NECESSARILY REQUIRE A LEGAL  REVIEW, BUT IF SPECIFICALLY  BEING ASKED THE QUESTION I  HAVE NOT DONE THAT REVIEW,  HOWEVER TYPICALLY ARE  PROFESSIONAL FINANCE STAFF  DOES REVIEW THE PARAMETERS TO  ENSURE THAT WE'RE WITHIN  COMPLIANCE MANAGER. YES, THE  >> QUICKLY WANT ROLL. REPORTED  THE REPORT SAID THE CITY  COMMISSION MAY IN THE PROJECT  LIST IN THE EVENT THAT THE  CITY COMMISSION THAT SUCH A  CHANGES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST  IN PROVIDING ALL PROJECTS ARE  CONSISTENT WITH THE  REQUIREMENTS. FLORIDA STATUTES  SECTION TO 12.0 5 A. TO  >> THAT YOU MANY AS THE  RESOLUTION WHERE WE ADOPTED  THE SURTAX EXTENSION FOR  CERTAIN SPORTS. IT WAS SURTAX  FOR IS THAT SAME KATHY OR TEXT  HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND LOOK I  WOULD THINK IT ANYBODY KNOW  WHAT THAT ORDINANCE NUMBER  THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO  APPROVE THINGS TODAY THAT ARE.  >> VERY SENSITIVE IN NATURE TO  MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE  WILL OF THE VOTERS. AND I WANT  TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AREN'T  DOING SOMETHING.  INAPPROPRIATE. AND I  APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT'S  THERE BUT. YOU SAID THAT YOU  WOULD THINK IT'S THERE. I'M  SORRY THAT'S I NEED TO SEE IT  AND YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT  IT'S AT SO IF ANYBODY KNOWS  WITH THAT SIRTEX 3 ORDINANCE  NUMBER WAS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO  JUST QUICKLY REVIEW WHILE WE.  YEAH WHEN I YIELD THE FLOOR,  SO I CAN JUST DO A QUICK.  >> LOOK MY SOME AND ONE OTHER  NOTE JUST WE'RE NOT. NOT DOING  THIS PROJECT WERE STILL  COMPLETING THE PROJECT WE'RE  SWITCHING OUT SOME OF THE  LYING OR BUT THE MONEY IS  GOING TO A PROJECT THAT  DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S WHAT MY  WHOLE UP ITS.  >> AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE  CITY ATTORNEY SAYING THAT SHE  NEEDS TREATMENT FOR THE  CATEGORIES. COMMISSIONERS WANT  TO CLARIFY I DID NOT SAY THAT  I NEED TO CONDUCT THAT REVIEW,  SAYING I PERSONALLY CANNOT  ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DEPTH NOT  CONDUCTING REVIEW, HOWEVER I  DO TRUST THE FINANCES  CONDUCTED REVIEW AND EVEN  PRIOR TO SAY TO MORE IT WAS IT  WAS COMMON EVERY PERIODICALLY  EVERY YEAR TO THE COMMISSION  WOULD LOOK AT THE LIST OF  PROJECTS AND MOVE THEM AS LONG  AS THEY WERE WITHIN THESE  BASIC CATEGORIES IN THE  CATEGORIES ARE TYPICALLY  BROUGHT SUCH AS PARKS PROJECTS  THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT  SPECIFIC TO ITEMS IN THE  BALLOT QUESTIONS DO NOT  TYPICALLY APPROVED SPECIFIC  ITEM SUCH THAT CHANGING IT  AROUND IS NECESSARILY CONTRARY  TO VOTERS HAVE HAVE VOTED ON.  THANK YOU JUST ANYBODY  HAPPENED TO KNOW WHAT THAT  ORDINANCE NUMBERS FOR SIRTEX  3. WE'LL GET IT FOR YOU. THANK  YOU, I'LL YIELD UNTIL WE GET  UNTIL I GET THAT ANSWER. OKAY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YOU KNOW JUST MAKE A QUICK  I'M NOT SURE OUR RESIDENTS ARE  CONCERNED WHAT WE. I MEAN I  UNDERSTAND THE LEGALITY BUT SO  LONG AS THE PROJECT IS  HAPPENING. I'M NOT TERRIBLY  CONCERNED THAT IT'S MOVING OUT  OF SURTAX. IMPACT FEES ARE  SEPARATE BUCKETS FOR DIFFERENT  CATEGORIES AND AS I LOOK AT  BLAST. THESE I'VE CERTAINLY  THE LIST OF PARK PROJECTS  UNDER SURTAX I WOULD  DEFINITELY WANT COMING OUT OF  PARK IMPACT FEES. THE CAUSE.  WE HAVE. MANY MORE THINGS AND  THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE IN  THIS CITY THAT WILL REQUIRE  SURTAX BECAUSE THERE IS NO  OTHER FUNDING OPTION FOR THEM.  SO I AM SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING  PROJECTS INTO THOSE IMPACT FEE  BUDGETS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO  RESTRICTIVE AND I THINK OUR  RESIDENTS WOULD UNDERSTAND AND  APPRECIATE THAT PARTICULARLY  WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE  DEMANDS. FACING US THAT REALLY  WE'LL RELY ON SURTAX OF  THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN THAT'S  MY COMMENT ON THAT ALL RIGHT.  THANK YOU. YES, I WAS I WAS  GOING TO. THANK YOU MUCH THE  SAME THING. HE'S OUR PARK  IMPACT FEES WHICH HAD NOT COME  INTO THE PICTURE WHEN WE.  ♪ HAD THE SURTAX BUT PARK BUT  ANY HAS VERY SPECIFIC.  >> WAYS THAT IT CAN BE THEY  JUST AS CAN BE THROWN INTO ANY  PROJECT. SO AS THOSE MONIES  BECOME AVAILABLE IT ONLY MAKES  SENSE TOO TO TRANSFER WE'RE  GETTING THE MONEY FROM 3 UP  THE MONEY OTHER PROJECTS THAT  ARE SO DESPERATELY NEED IT TO  SO. YES IT WAS NOT MY  UNDERSTANDING THAT WE VOTE ON  SPECIFIC PROJECTS WHEN THAT  SEARCH X MONEY IS. APPROVED OR  NOT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.  >> SO CITY ATTORNEY.  >> YES MA'AM JUST QUICK. I BE  RESEARCH OUR SEARCH TAX  REVENUES ARE COLLECTED DON'T  THROUGH SARASOTA COUNTY. AND  SARASOTA COUNTIES ORDINANCES  THEIR THEIR CODE OF ORDINANCES  ADDRESSES BOTH THE ORIGINAL  SURTAX AND THE CONTINUATION OF  THE SURTAX. SECTION 1, 1, 4  DASH 4. ADDRESSES THAT THEY'RE  CONTINUING TO THE ONE SENT  INFRASTRUCTURE, SALES TAX AND  SUBSECTION 5 OF THAT PROVISION  RELATES TO PORT AND STATES THE  PROCEEDS OF THE LOCAL  GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE  SURTAX RECEIVED BY THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT. SHELBY LIMITED  TO 2 THE USES SHALL BE THE  SHOW INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING AND  THEN THERE ARE ABOUT 10 OR 11  CATEGORIES. SOME POINT D  CATEGORY IS PARK IMPROVEMENTS  AND LAND ACQUISITIONS WHEN I  WAS REFERRING EARLIER TO THESE  KIND OF CATEGORIES ARE BROAD  BUCKETS. THAT IS A CATEGORY  THANKS FOR  >> EDUCATION COMMISSIONER  MIGUEL I HAVE JUST A FEW MORE  IMPACT FEES. AND I JUST NEED  CLARIFICATION ON PARK IMPACT  FEES SPECIFICALLY. CAN YOU USE  IMPACT FEES OR PARKS TO  RESTORE AN EXISTING BUILDING.  I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY TO  EXPAND PARK. USE KIND OF LIKE  INFRASTRUCTURE. THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT THE IMPACT FEES IS  GROWTH FOR GROWTH. THESE  BUILDINGS EXISTED. SO CAN YOU  TRULY NEWS IMPACT FEES FOR  BUILDING THAT EXISTS SO IT'S  NOT GROWTH RELATED. AND THE  SAME GOES FOR DALLAS WHITE  PARK MAINTENANCE. THOSE FIELDS  ALREADY EXIST. SO CAN YOU USE  IMPACT FEES. THAT KIND OF WE  USE. AND I SEE A LITTLE POWWOW  GOING ON. IMPACT FEES ARE VERY  SPECIFIC TO GROWTH RELATED  STAFF AND THESE 2 SPECIFICS.  ALREADY EXIST. SPOKE WITH  CHICO WAS A NEW SO WHILE THEY.  HOW ABOUT THAT MAYBE WE COULD  GET. SOME QUESTIONS I HAVE  ABOUT THE ROAD BOND. THERE'S A  TRANSFER. IT'S GOING TO SURTAX  OR ROAD BOND. AND IN THE  LEGISLATIVE TEXT SAYS. THAT'S  THE ROLE. PUT OUT SO I CAN  SPEAK. THAT USING SURPLUS  FUNDS FROM THE ROAD BOND. TO  READ ADDRESS ROADS THAT WERE  ALREADY WORKED ON USING ROAD  BOND FUNDS. THAT SOUNDS TO ME,  I'M NO EXPERT.  >> SO I'LL LET Y'ALL ANSWER  IT, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE  SOME OF THE ROAD THAT WE USE  BEEN FUNDS FOR NEED TO BE.  REPAVE DON'T RE ADDRESSED. I  DON'T KNOW WHAT READ REST  MEANS.  >> THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.  DURING THE ROAD BOND WORK.  THERE WAS A DECISION MADE TO  USE WHAT THEY CALL WAR MIX AS  FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WAS  APPLIED ROADWAYS.  >> THAT WARM MIX WAS NOT A  GOOD MATCH FOR SOME OF THE  ROADS. SO WE ARE GOING TO RE  ADDRESSES ROADS BECAUSE  DETERIORATED AND ONE OF THOSE  IS WE'VE HEARD. ABOUT  RECENTLY. SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE  FUNDS WILL BE USED  >> FOR USING FUND BALANCE TO  DO THAT NIGHT AS SOON AS YOU  SAID MORE MIXED WITH A LITTLE  BIT PHRASE IS COMING BACK  SINCE WE'RE GOING TO BE USING  FUND TO BALANCE FROM THE ROAD.  >> CERTAIN TIME SO.  >> THIS IS SURPLUS FUNDS FROM  FROM A ROAD THEM.  >> BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING IN  THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT SAID  USING MONEY FROM SURTAX FOR.  FOR THE YEARS. 24 AND I'M  SORRY 2526. WHAT'S THAT. FOR  TAKING MONEY FROM FUTURE ROAD  PROJECTS THAT WAS WHEN WE WERE  DOING OKAY NOW OKAY, IT'S NOT  RELATED DIRECT TO LOOK LIKE  THE SAME IT.  >> I THINK IT WAS OKAY. SO  THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION  ABOUT THAT.  >> AND THIS IS YOU KNOW SEE  QUESTION SO WAIT FOR THAT ONE.  OKAY I'M JUST WAITING WAITING  FOR THAT. FOR THOSE PARK  IMPACT FEES BEING USED FOR  EXISTING PARKS, INSTEAD OF  PARKS NEEDED YOU. SO PARK  MAINTENANCE. TEMPORARY  BUILDING. PART OF THAT PROJECT  THERE IS PERMANENT  INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE.  USED TO SUPPORT THE PERMANENT  BUILDING WHICH HAS A SEPARATE  PROJECT. BECAUSE OF THAT  THAT'S WHY WE WERE APPLYING  PARK IMPACT FEES TO IT BECAUSE  THE PERMANENT BUILDINGS BEING  BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE PROUD OF  THAT PARK MAINTENANCE TEAM. AS  THE CITY GROWS WITH THE  AMENITIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO  NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS  THAT'S WHY WE APPLIED THAT.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THAT  MENTIONED ALL SPITE. PARK I  THINK YOU SAID THE FIELD.  THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING IF I  CAN HEAR BUT THERE'S NOT AN  EXISTING MULTIPURPOSE FIELD  DALLAS WHITE PARK HAS A NEW  ALL-TIME PURPOSE-BUILT WHICH  WILL INCREASE CAPACITY. THAT  PURPOSE, OKAY. BUT WHAT ABOUT  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS IT'S AN  EXISTING BUILDING. AND THAT'S  YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S GOING  TO BE PARK IMPACT FEES. SO  PART OF THE PART OF WHAT WE'RE  DOING WITH THE BUILDING  RESTORATION WAS THAT THAT  WOULD ALSO INCREASE THE  CAPACITY OF SERVICING. PATRONS  AT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK  THAT WAS THAT WAS SOMETHING  THAT CAME FORWARD. A WHILE  BACK WHEN YOU ALL APPROVED THE  FUNDING WHERE THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH  MEANING IT WAS BOOKED. BUT IT  WAS A COMBINATION OF PARK  IMPACT FEES SURTAX AND FUND  BALANCE FOR MINERAL SPRINGS  PARK. AND AND SOME OF THE  INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE WOULD  PUT IN AGAIN TO WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK AS PART THE  BUILDINGS, WHATEVER WE DECIDE  TO DO WITH THAT THAT  INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD GO  TOWARDS THE PERMANENT  BUILDINGS WHICH WOULD  POTENTIALLY SERVE.  ♪ ♪ MORE OF A CAPACITY. SPLITTING  HAIRS. THAT THAT WAS THE  DISCUSSION WE HAD COMMISSION  ORIGINALLY FUNDED THE WARM OUT  AND I REMEMBER ASKING THE  EXACT QUESTION ABOUT  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS HOW WE  USE IMPACT FEES FOR AN  EXISTING BUILDING. SO AND  THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY  I WANTED WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE  SPRINGS TO HAVE THAT  DISCUSSION. BUT I DO I DO  CONCUR WITH YOU ABOUT THE  DALLAS WHITE I DIDN'T REALIZE  THAT IT'S FOR CHANGING IT FROM  SOFTBALL FIELDS, 2 MULTI  PURPOSE AND THAT IS GOING TO  INCREASE CAPACITY SO THANK YOU  THANK YOU. GREAT DISCUSSION.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE.  TIME TO GET TO A MOMENT.  >> AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS  OKAY. ALL RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> ALL RIGHT YES, I HAD SOME  QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS GOING  BACK AND FORTH BUT THEY WERE  AN SURGERY, MY AGENDA AND  WHICH I THINK STILL TOOK ME A  LITTLE BIT TIME ABSORB THIS  BUT. THAT'S WHY I ENJOY HAVING  ART THE VALUE OF HAVING THOSE  AGENDA BRIEFINGS AND HAVING  THE QUESTIONS THEN. INSTEAD OF  A PUBLIC SAID SETTING WHEN YOU  HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT  FEEL LIKE I SHOULD KNOW THIS.  GOING TO CLOSE PORTION OF THE  PUBLIC HEARING AND REQUEST A  MAKE IT MOVED TO ADOPT  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4  DASH R.  >> I'LL  >> SECOND OF COMMISSIONER  EMERICH DOESN'T WANT A SECOND  AND I OWE YOU ONE I LIKE TO  MAKE AN SAYING CHANGES. AND  THE CHANGES YOU KNOW. THAT'S  WHY I WAS WAITING YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT YOU WANT TO BUT  THAT AMENDMENT UP THERE  THERE'S THERE'S NO AMENDMENT  WITHOUT A SECOND SO GOOD.  >> I THAT. OKAY ARE RESTATING.  >> YOU KNOW THOSE ARE OCEAN  MADE ADOPT RESOLUTION NUMBER  2020 FOR OUR 10. WITH THE  CHANGES PRESENTED BY STAFF. WE  DID WITH THAT.  >> SO WOULD YOU WANT I THINK  WE NEED TO SPELL OUT WHAT  THOSE CHANGES ARE WE HAD A LOT  OF ALL RIGHT SO I'M GOING TO  ASK THE CITY CLERK TO REPEAT  THOSE CHANGES I DID NOT HAVE  THE CHANGES THEY MAKE AN  AMENDMENT SO IT'S IT'S TO THE  MOTION. AS IT WAS MADE AND  THEN YOU CAN DO YOUR IMAGE AND  THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> SO LET'S VOTE ON.  >> NOW LIKE I KNOW THEM AND  THEN IT JUST AT.  >> OKAY, SO STAFF HELP ME WITH  THIS AMENDMENT AND IF I FORGOT  ANYTHING STATING THAT PROJECT  NUMBER.  >> TO TO DEAN.  KEY.  >> THE LEGACY TRAIL PARKING A  SURTAX FUND SOURCE SHOULD BE  $175,000. AND THE PROJECT TO 2  D.  >> HE  >> LEGACY TRAIL PARKING  FUNDING. USE OF IMPACT FEES  SHOULD BE $175,000.  >> AND IT INCREASED TO USE AND  THEN THE INCREASE OF 8,000  HAVE A JOB INCREASING. PARK  IMPACT FEES. SOURCE OR USE ON  BALLOT ON BALANCE USE OF PARK  IMPACT FEES. OF $8,580. THAT  AND YOU REPEAT IT.  >> OKAY SO WE HAVE AN  AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. DO YOU WANT THAT  REPEAT IT I OKAY I WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  ENRICH THE AMENDMENT SO LET'S  VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.  THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0 WHETHER ANY  OTHER AMENDMENTS. OKAY I  THOUGHT WAS THAT THERE WAS A  LOT OK.  >> GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.  >> STATED THAT WAS MADE BY  VICE MAYOR AND SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SO AS  AMENDED.  >> THAT'S GOING ON THAT. AND  THAT PASSES 5 TO I THANK YOU.  MOVING ON TO GENERAL. IS THIS  ITEM NUMBER 6. A 24 DASH 0, 3,  3, 5, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION REGARDING WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK DAYS ONE  IMPROVEMENTS AND FACE TO  FUTURE DEVELOPMENT CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR WE  DO HAVE OUR PART TO REX  RECORDS FROM HITLER TO IT IS  GOING IT WAS IN HISTORY AND  THINK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND  BOTH ALL RIGHT GREAT. CASEY BY  CREATION RECORD.  >> SO TODAY STAFF IS SEEKING  DIRECTION ON WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK PHASE, ONE  IMPROVEMENTS IN PHASE 2 FUTURE  DEVELOPMENT. IF COMMISSION IS  MINIMAL, I WOULD LIKE TO  ADDRESS PHASE, ONE 1ST PROVIDE  AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR  CONSULTANT TO SPEAK TO CURRENT  BUILDING CONDITIONS AND SOME  ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS  AND THEN MOVE ON TO PHASE 2  ONCE DISCUSSION ON PHASE, ONE  IS COMPLETE. SO OVER THE LAST  MONTH ON SINCE IT WAS  DETERMINED THE OPERATIONS OF  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK  WOULD STAY WITH PARKS  RECREATION. THE TEAM HAS BEEN  BUSY PROVIDING A REFRESHED TO  THE GROUND. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT  YET COMPLETE. I'D LIKE TO  SHARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE  EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING MADE.  SO WE HAVE ADDED THE SCREENING  ALONG LINE. BASICALLY AROUND  THE EXISTING BUILDING AREA. WE  WERE LITTLE WE LOCATED THE  FENCING BACK BEHIND THE TREES.  TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL  SHADING SHADED AREA FOR  PATRONS. WE PUT SKIRTING ON  THE TRAILERS THAT WERE OUT  THERE. WE'VE GOT SOME FLOWER  BOXES AROUND THE PROPERTY.  SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.  WE HAVE I WORKED ON. CLEANING  UP ARE WATCHING THE FOUNTAIN  AREA. THAT'S WHEN YOU HAIRS  THAT WERE BROUGHT IN. IT WAS  AN UMBRELLA'S AND THESE ARE ON  TEMPORARY UMBRELLAS THAT THAT  WE BORROWED. WE HAVE PERMANENT  ONES THAT ARE ON ORDER. AND  THE TABLES AND UMBRELLAS AND  YOU'LL IN THE BACK ABOUT  PHOTO. WOULD POSE THAT'S  ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT'S  GOING TO GO UP FROM THE  BUILDINGS. ONCE WE RECEIVE  THAT. REPLACED THE FLAGS. WE  HAVE A WORK ORDER TO DO SOME  WORK ON THE ON CLOCK STRUCTURE  THERE. WE REPAINT AND UPDATED  THE WROTE. POST THERE AS YOU  COME IN. I WE CONTINUE TO WORK  ON THAT SO THAT'S THINGS ARE  ABLE TO DO IMMEDIATELY. WITH  OUR PART MAINTENANCE AND A LOT  OF THE RECREATION AND AQUATIC  STAFF.  >> SO AS YOU KNOW PHASE, ONE  IMPROVEMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED  WITH THE HISTORIC RENOVATION  OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND  UPGRADES TO THE UTILITY  INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING ON  THE 20 PLUS ACRES. BASED ON A  SINGLE BIT RECEIVED ON JUNE 6  2022 IN RESPONSE TO 2022 DASH  22, OR MINERAL SPRINGS PARK  RENOVATIONS. THERE'S A PROJECT  FUNDING DEFICIT AT LEAST  9 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FULL  RENOVATION ADDITIONALLY THERE  HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS  TO THE 3 BUILDINGS. SINCE THE  PROJECT WAS PRIMARILY AS A  RESULT OF HURRICANE IAN. FOR  REFERENCE PROVIDED A COPY OF  THE POST HURRICANE IN DAMAGE  ASSESSMENT REPORTS ROSTON  SOLUTIONS INSURANCE ESTIMATES  FROM HALLOWELL AND NEARING  ALONG WITH THE RECENT REPORT  COMPLETED BY SWEET SPARKMAN  ARCHITECTURE AND INTERIORS  ADDRESSES CURRENT BUILDING  CONDITIONS. IMPACTS OF FEDERAL  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY  FOOT MAP REQUIREMENTS AND  UPDATED COST ESTIMATES FOR  REHABILITATION IN  CONSTRUCTION. ALL THE PLAN  HISTORIC RENOVATIONS ARE STILL  POSSIBLE. STAFF HAVE  RECOMMENDED 2 OPTIONS FOR  CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE  FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS OF THE  PROJECT. RISING CONSTRUCTION  COSTS AND THE POTENTIAL FOR  FUTURE FLOODING AT THE SITE.  THE FIRST AND LIKELY MOST  FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE OPTION IS  TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING  BUILDINGS. SALVAGE HISTORIC  ELEMENTS FOR FUTURE DISPLAY.  AND CONSTRUCT A NEW CODE  COMPLIANCE BUILDING AND A  HIGHER ELEVATION. THE SECOND  OPTION IS TO RESTORE THE CYCLE  AROUND THE BUILDING ONLY. TAKE  PRECAUTIONARY MEASURES FOR  FLOOD PREVENTION AND CONSTRUCT  A NEW CODE COMPLIANCE BUILDING  AT A HIGHER ELEVATION. AS WITH  OPTION, ONE. THERE WOULD BE  THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THAT  HISTORIC MOMENTS FOR FUTURE  DISPLAY. HOWEVER, THE SECOND  OPTION MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL  PROJECT FUNDING. RIGHT MORE  DETAIL POTENTIAL RENOVATION  SCENARIOS AND KEY  ARCHITECTURAL CONSIDERATIONS.  MISTER JOHN BRYANT PRINCIPAL  AND VICE PRESIDENT WAS SWEET  SPARKED ARCHITECT IS HERE HE'S  GOING TO SPEAK TO THE BUILDING  COMPLEX REPORT WHICH WAS  INCLUDED WITH THIS AGENDA  ITEM. BUT SANDY GOOD  >> THEN AGAIN AS JOHN BRYANT  THIS WEEK DEPARTMENT  ARCHITECTS.  >> SO GOT A FAIRLY LONG  HISTORY FROM FROM A DESIGN  STANDPOINT WITH THE WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS COMPLEX. SINCE  2018 WE WORK WITH KIM LEE HORN  ALL THE MASTER PLAN WE LOOK AT  THE OVERALL FACILITY  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS WE WERE  ALL IN THE HISTORIC  DESIGNATION OF THE BUILDINGS  AND THEY DID THE FULL  RENOVATION PLANS FOR THE  HISTORIC RENOVATION AND  RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING. A  HIGH LEVEL PROBABLY A WAY TO  THINK ABOUT THIS IS THE  RENOVATION THAT WE DESIGNED  AND 2018 2019. IT WAS A VERY  EXTENSIVE GOT RENOVATION OF  THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDINGS  NOT GOOD CONDITION. WOULD SAY  FAIR OR POOR CONDITION IN 2018  THEY HAVE HISTORIC VALUE JUST  DON'T WANT IN OUR REPORT.  THEY'RE CONSTRUCTED IN THE  LATE 50'S BELIEVED TO BEEN  DESIGNED BY JACK REALLY IS A  STUART I'M SARASOTA  ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE  BUILDINGS. BUT THEY WERE IN A  DIFFICULT A DIFFICULT  CONDITION AT THE TIME.  POST-HURRICANE AS WE'VE  OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, THE  RENOVATIONS ARE STILL FEASIBLE  FROM A DESIGN STRUCTURAL  CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT BOUGHT  THEY IS GOING TO BE MORE  EXPENSIVE THAN IT WAS. WHEN  THE PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY IT  SO THERE HAS BEEN ADDITIONAL  DAMAGE TO THE BUILDINGS COURSE  DUE TO THE HURRICANE.  ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL AS  OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, YOU  KNOW WE WE WEREN'T AS  CONCERNED WITH LOVING WHEN WE  DID THE RENOVATIONS AND 2018  2019. FIRST WE'VE NOT BASED ON  HURRICANE IAN THAT THERE WAS  ADDITIONAL YOU A 14 TO 16  INCHES OF FLOODING. IN THE YOU  AS AN ARCHITECT WE DO A LOT OF  HISTORIC RENOVATIONS. I LOVE  OLDER BUILDINGS I FIND ALTER  OR RENOVATION PROJECTS WERE  SATISFYING OFF THE NEW  CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THIS IS  A FEASIBLE RENOVATION BUT IT  IS NOT GOING TO BE IT'S GOING  TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND ONE.  IT WAS PREVIOUSLY SO I. YOU  KNOW PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT  IS A DIFFICULT DECISION  CERTAINLY FROM MY UNDERSTAND  YOU KNOW THE CONSIDERATIONS  INVOLVED. YOU KNOW I'M KIND OF  HAPPY TO TAKE RELATED TO THE  ARCHITECTURE OPTIONS, ALL JUST  A YOU KNOW THAT THAT OUT  OPTIONS I'VE OUTLINED ARE SORT  OF A VERY HIGH LEVEL LOOK AT  THE OPTIONS OPTION ONE WAS  THAT. WE COULD PROCEED WITH  THE RENOVATION IS ORIGINALLY  DESIGNED IN 2018 2019 AND MAKE  SOME ADDITIONAL UPGRADES TO  ACCOUNT FOR FLOODING. THERE IS  GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL  STRUCTURAL WORK THAT HAD NOT  BEEN ANTICIPATED 2018 2019.  AND COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL  HISTORIC PRESERVATION,  RENOVATION IT WILL BE A MORE  COSTLY PROJECT THAN WHAT A  MINUTE 2018 2019. OPTION TO  OUTLINED THE POSSIBILITY OF  KEEPING A PORTION OF THE  POTENTIALLY KEEPING THE SITE  FROM YOU KNOW IT IT COULD. I'M  I ENCOURAGE THINKING ABOUT  DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THAT  BUILDING COULD BE USED COULD  BECOME MORE OF A MUSEUM AS  OPPOSED TO JUST EVEN THE OF  THAT YOU KNOW THE MURALS THAT  WERE THERE. THERE COULD BE AN  OPTION TO KEEP ONE OF THE 2  SPRINGS BUILDINGS BUILDING A  OR THAT IT'S A LITTLE MORE  COMPLEX BECAUSE THOSE 2  BUILDINGS, A AND B THE  HOURGLASS SHAPE BUILDINGS ARE  REALLY UNDERSTOOD AS A AS A  PAIR THEY WORK TOGETHER AS  PART OF A HISTORIC BUILDING  SERVE YOU DID ELIMINATING ONE  OF THOSE BUILDINGS POTENTIALLY  COMPROMISE THE HISTORIC VALUE  OF THOSE 2 BUILDINGS  DISAPPEAR. THE 3RD OPTION, WE  LOOKED AT WAS OF COURSE. YOU  KNOW HAS A ATTACK, THE LEAST  DESIRABLE TO ME BUT I  UNDERSTAND FROM KIND OF THE  CITY AND AND THE THE OTHER  VIEWPOINTS THAT YOU WOULD TEAR  DOWN THE BUILDINGS INTO NEW  CONSTRUCTION. SO YEAH I SAW I  WILL HAVE AN EXPERIENCE ON  THIS PROJECT A SENSITIVE TO  HISTORIC CONSIDERATIONS AGAIN  IT'S IT'S NOT AN EASY DECISION  IN IN OUR YOU KNOW I SAW ROLE  IS TRYING TO LAY OUT POTENTIAL  OPTIONS AND CONSIDERATIONS. OR  THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.  >> WITH JOHN CAN TAKE  QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT STAFF  ANSWER WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO  FOCUS ON PHASE ONE AND  COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO MOVE  FORWARD.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  EMERICH EUROPE. YEAH THANK YOU  >> HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK  YOU MISTER DOES FOR GIVING ME  A TOUR OUT THERE. ONE THING I  DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT VERY IN  DEPTH WAS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT  THE CYCLE RAMAH AND. THE  ARTWORK THAT WAS IN THERE I  REMEMBER SEEING AT THE BOTTOM  WHERE THEY WERE SEPARATED AND  STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT THE TOP  PORTIONS ARE THEY ACTUALLY  PAINTED ON THE WALL OR ARE  THEY STRUCTURE AND THEN PLACED  ON THE WALL THE WORK COULD BE  REMOVABLE.  >> I THINK THEY'RE ON SOME  TYPE OF. WHY WOULD ARE SOME  THAT RATE THAT COULD BE  REMOVAL MINUTES, A CANVAS OF  SOME KIND STRUCTURE ON TOP.  >> A CAPE MISTER FLETCHER I  BELIEVE YOU GAVE ME OUT SOME  ARE ONE OF THE ALL GAVE ME A  QUOTE ABOUT HOW MUCH THE ROOF  WOULD COST ON CYCLE ROOM I  THINK THAT WAS IN THE MILLIONS  OF DOLLARS TO RENOVATE.  >> WELL I THINK IN THE BECAUSE  I THINK THEY GAVE US IT WAS  3.2 TOO EARLY FOR MILLION FOR  THE BUILDING ITSELF MAY BE NOT  JUST THROUGH BUT JUST THAT  KNOW THERE'S SOME WEATHER AND  STUFF LIKE THAT AND MY MY  PROBLEM WITH. I WAS ALL FOR  KEEPING THE WHOLE BUILDING.  BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO NEW  BUILDINGS AND GOING UP TO THE  PIMA CODES THEN THIS WOULD BE  A LOW-LYING BUILDING AND THAT  WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE RUNOFF  FROM THE FLOODS GOING INTO THE  BUILDING AND IT MAY NOT BE A  WIN-WIN.  >> ON THAT I KNOW PUT A WALL  AROUND IT OR MOTOR WHATEVER  THE CASE MAY BE BUT. THANK THE  MONEY WAS WHAT WHAT'S THE COST  OF THE UTILITIES TO GO OUT  THERE THAT'S 3 MILLION PLUS  AND WINS.  >> BUT I THINK IF YOU DO  DECIDE TO RELIEVING THE CYCLE.  RAMOS OR YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT  UP TO CODE SO THAT IT WOULD  NOT I THINK GOING TO RAISE A  CONCRETE BUILDING.  WELL I WHAT I.  >> WHAT I WOULD OFFER AS I  THINK BE IF THE CYCLER AMMO  WERE APPROACHED AS A  STAND-ALONE PROJECT OF THE  HISTORIC RENOVATION I BELIEVE  COULD BE DONE WITHOUT. RAISING  THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE  I THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE  CONSIDERATION FOR ANY  MATERIALS THAT WERE SAY BELOW  YOU KNOW 2 FEET OR LOWER TO  THE FORE WITHIN 2 FEET OF THE  FINISH FOR. BUT ONE OF THE  BENEFITS OF THE HISTORIC  DESIGNATION IS THAT IT GIVES  YOU EXEMPTIONS. 2 ASPECTS OF  APPLY SO THERE IT WOULD TAKE A  LITTLE MORE ANALYSIS BUT  THERE'S A LIKELY PATH THAT YOU  COULD DO RENOVATE THE CYCLE  RAMA NOT HAVE TO RAISE THE  FLOOR AND YOU JUST WANT TO  TAKE PRECAUTIONS YOU WOULD  WANT TO PUT  ♪ YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO PUT THIS  A MATERIALS IN THE LOWER 2  FEET YOU KNOW WHICH WHICH  WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR THE  MURALS THAT WERE  ♪ THERE BUT IT COULD BE  >> YEAH MURALS GO STRAIGHT  DOWN TO THE FLOOR AND WHEN WE  WERE LOOKING AT IT, THERE'S  ABOUT A SPACE OF ABOUT MAYBE  12 TO 16 INCHES OF THE BOTTOM  OF THE MURAL THAT IS SEPARATED  BECAUSE OF THE CURVING INSTA  AND WATER AND GOTTEN IN THERE.  THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF  RENOVATION INVOLVED IN MY  OPINION TO DO THAT WITH THE  SOUND SYSTEM AND IF YOU'RE  GOING TO KEEP IT AS THE CYCLE  RAMAH AND KEEP THE STORY GOING  FROM THE EARLY 50'S USING IT  AS A MUSEUM NOW WOULD BE  TAKING OUT THAT CENTER SECTION  REDOING THE ROOF. AND I THINK  THE SAME CAN BE ACQUIRED ON A  NEW BUILDING BY STATE TAKING  SOME OF THAT ARTWORK OUT OF  THE CYCLE RAMAH PUTTING IT IN  THE MUSEUM BECAUSE.  >> SO  >> PICTURES IN THERE AND I'M  ARE SKEPTIC OR WHATEVER, BUT  JUST MAY NOT BE POLITICALLY  CORRECT AND TODAY'S SOCIETY  FOR SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT  ARE THERE AND I KNOW IT'S OUR  SO I MEAN IT GOES BACK TO THE  DAY ANNA DOES HISTORY BUT. HOW  YOU KNOW JUST LOOKING AT HOW  WE WANT TO DO THIS IS. THAT'S  WHAT WE'RE HERE IN THE SIDE  BUT.  >> WILL SAY THAT HISTORIC  DESIGNATION IS AS FOR THE  BUILDING SO AND PART OF THAT  IS THE FACT THAT THAT BUILDING  OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION  IT'S NOT ACTUALLY APPLY TO THE  MURALS ON THE INTERIOR THAT IS  SORT OF UP TO THE CITY AND. SO  JUST AS THAT CARRY OUT THAT  YOU KNOW YOU COULD CHOOSE TO  PRESERVER DO RENOVATION OF  THAT BUILDING AND DO SOMETHING  DIFFERENT WITH THE MURALS AND  AS YOU SAY THAT YEAH THERE'S.  CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING.  >> WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO  CONSIDERATION FOOTPRINT OF  LET'S SAY WE DID NEW BUILDINGS  OUT THERE. WOULD IT BE  FEASIBLE TO PUT UP THE NEW  BUILDINGS THAT WE NEED. KEEP  THE CYCLE RAMAH AS MAYBE A  FUTURE PROJECT FOR  PRESERVATION. AND BE ABLE TO  GET THE NEW BUILDINGS AND  THEREAFTER DEMOLISHING THE OLD  ONES IF THAT'S THE CASE. WHAT  IT STILL THAT THAT FOOTPRINT  OR DO WE NEED ALL THAT SPACE  TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEW  VENTURES BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD  FROM THE PUBLIC SAYING THAT  ALL THEY WANT IS A BASIC  BUILDING AND SHOWERS AND  BATHROOMS. WHEN WE HAVE THE  OPPORTUNITY WE MAY WANT TO  ENLARGE THAT A LITTLE BIT LIKE  MAYBE WITH SOME CONFERENCE  SPACE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY  BE OUT THERE ALL DEPENDS ON  THE NUMBERS COMING IN AND WHAT  WE HAVE DEAL WITH MONEY THAT'S  BASICALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS I  HAVE MAYOR, BUT I JUST WANT TO  GET THAT OUT THERE WHICH WAY  WE WANT TO GO SO.  >> ALL RIGHT IF I COULD JUST  CLARIFY ITEM ON THE SITE JUST  11 DAYS OF PRAYER. COST THAT  WE HAD ESTIMATE FOR THE CYCLE  ROMMEL WAS NOT ADDRESS THE  MURALS INSIDE. IT WAS JUST FOR  THE. BUILDING STRUCTURE TO  BRING THAT UP  TO CODE.  >> AND MAKE IT 88 ACCESSIBLE.  >> IF DOING ANY INTERIOR  RESTORATION WOULD HAVE BEEN A  SEPARATE PROJECT.  >> I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WHAT  I WAS GETTING AT IS IF WE  REMOVED. THE MURALS OR A FEW  OF THEM ARE GIRLS AND PUT IT  INTO A MUSEUM TYPE ATMOSPHERE  IN NEW BUILDINGS. I DON'T  THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TOO  COSTLY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS  GETTING SO THANK YOU.  >> ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. WHERE  TO BEGIN BEGIN FIRST QUESTION  I HAVE IS O WHAT'S YOUR BEST  ASSESSMENT AS TO HOW LONG IF  WE DID NOTHING AT ALL WE WOULD  BUT. HOW LONG WILL THE HEALTH  DEPARTMENT ALLOW US TO  CONTINUE OPERATE IN THE  PRESENT CONDITION WERE IT WITH  THE BATHROOM FACILITIES STATES  CENTS AND I KNOW CAN'T PIN IT  DOWN TO A WEEK BUT ROUGHLY  SPEAKING WHAT ARE WE LOOKING  AT HERE.  >> ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.  >> TRISH WERE COMPLIANT WITH  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RIGHT NOW  WE DON'T WE WOULDN'T HAVE A  TIME LIMIT PUT ON IT BECAUSE  IT'S CONSIDERED A SEMI  PERMANENT USE AND IT'S  COMPLETELY WITHIN CODE  COMPLIANCE OR GET.  >> WE DID THAT LAST APRIL WHEN  OKAY GOOD THANK YOU.  >> NEXT QUESTION. IF WE WORK  TOO. REBUILD CYCLER ON THE  PROP BUILDING. AND THE  ADMINISTRATION FOR OFFICE WITH  BATHROOMS. SHOWERS. WHEN THE  WATER IN SHORE. WHAT'S THE  ESTIMATE ON THE COST OF THAT.  >> SO WE DON'T HAVE ESTIMATE  ON THE COST OF THAT. IT  NUMBERS WERE PUT IN THE REPORT  FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE  KNOWN BUT UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT  THE PROGRAM IS WE'RE GOING TO  MOVE FORWARD THE SIZE OF THE  BUILDING. WE NOT ABLE TO  ESTIMATE JOHN HAD PROVIDED  SQUARE-FOOT COST.  >> FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT  OPTIONS WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY  WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF A HALF  MILLION ONE WATER AND SEWER.  YOU KNOW THE BASIC BUILDING  WITH BATHROOM AND HEALTH  FACILITIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE  OFFICE AND REBUILD THE CYCLE  RAMA YES TO COPE BRING IT UP  PROTECT IT. OKAY LOOKING MORE  LIKE 18 20 MILLION.  >> PROBABLY VERY CLOSE YOU TO  SAY IT WILL BE BUT THERE YOU  GO IF WE WERE TO SIMPLY.  >> MOVE. THE MURALS AND WHAT  WE COULD SALVAGE. TO BUILD  INTO A NEW SINGLE SIMPLE  FACILITY MISS RATE OF OFFICE  SHOWERS VERY SIMPLE. ONE OF  THE WATER AND SEWER TO IT. THE  OLD INTO THAT BUILDING SOME OF  THE MURALS SCORE FIELD. I SEE  THE PATIOS OUT THERE WITH THE  UMBRELLAS SET UP A FOOD COURT  AREA CLEAN UP THE AIR  LANDSCAPING AND ALL THAT BUT  WILL THAT BE DONE WITHIN OR  HALF MILLION WHICH IS ROUGHLY  WHAT SITTING THERE NOW TUCKED  AWAY. I MEAN THAT A REALISTIC  NUMBER OR WHERE WE LOOK MORE  LIKE 15 MILLION. YOU KNOW, I'M  TRYING TO GET A FEEL HERE  BECAUSE WE HAVE MILLION SPENT  AND. I HAVE TO IF TO SPEND.  ANOTHER DOLLAR OF TAX PAYERS  MONEY ON THIS PROJECT. I  WOULDN'T WITH MISTER ENGLISH  AND TAKE THIS TO A REFERENDUM  TO SEE IF THE CITY. CITIZENS  WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY ON  THIS PROJECT. SO I'M TRYING TO  LIVE WITHIN THE 8 A HALF  MILLION THAT. WE HAVE TALKED  TO WEIGH ROUGHLY 6 MILLION 5,  6 O OF SURTAX A COUPLE OF  MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE  PROFITS AND PARTS MONEY THAT  MONEY SITTING THERE THAT WAS  GOING TO BE OUR CONTRIBUTION  TO THE RENOVATION PHASE ONE  OBVIOUSLY WITH NO P 3 PARTNER  THAT BEING PROJECT OKAY. WE  HAVE TO SPEND COULD WE DO THE  BASICS THAT WE GIVE THE  PEOPLE.  WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR  THANKING FOR PUTTING IN  SURVEYS OVER AND OVER AGAIN  NOTHING MORE THAN A VERY  SIMPLISTIC SET OF FACILITIES.  THAT'S SHOWERS. CLEANING UP A  LITTLE BIT BRING THE WATER  ENSURE THEY'RE PUT IN  ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES. MAYBE  SIGNAGE FOOD AREA AND DONE  WITH FOR THE 18 IS THAT DOABLE  WITHIN BUDGET.  >> GOOD AFTERNOON CONFRONT  PROJECT MANAGER CITY  NORTHWARD. WE HAVE IT ON GOOD  AUTHORITY THE UTILITY COSTS  ALONE IF IT WERE IN KEEPING  WITH THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENTS  FOR THE PROJECT WILL BE CLOSED  FOR THE 12 MILLION NOW. SO WE  DO. JUST FOR AUDIENCE KNOW HER  BUT WE HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE  YOU KNOW THINGS IN THE CITY WE  FEEL LIKE THAT'S PRETTY.  >> TO 12 MILLION JUST FOR WHAT  BRINGING WATER AND JUST THE  UTILITIES SUCH NOT BUILDING  ANYTHING NO BUILDING KNOW  ANYTHING ELSE I JUST THAT'S  WHAT NOW WE THE UTILITIES ARE  REQUIRED JUST FOR THIS  PROJECT. PRICE CANNOT BE RIGHT  UP YOU CAN THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE  NEAR I MEAN I WAS  UNDERSTANDING 3 4 MILLION  DOLLARS TO 3, 3, 4 MILLION FOR  UTILITIES.  >> AND COST OF A BASIC  BUILDING. I THOUGHT WE'D BE AT  AROUND HALF MILLION DOLLARS.  AND MUCH LIKE THE OFF THE  CROWN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION  ON THE STUFF WITHOUT HAPPENED.  THE NUMBERS WE NEED. CAN I  PIGGYBACK OFF VICE MAYOR  APPRECIATE IF I COULD CONTINUE  AND THEN COMMISSIONER MORE  THAN WELCOME TO SPEAK IT WHEN  THE TIME COMES. IT'S LIKE A  WHOLE LOT. DRILL DOWN ON. BUT  ONLY.  >> THAT NUMBER IS ACCURATE TO  WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD FROM  HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE  PROJECT EVEN WHEN WE WERE  LOOKING AT THE 18 MILLION  DOLLAR PRICE TAG IT WASN'T  THAT MUCH OF THE PROBLEM  EASILY TIME YOU DECIDE TO GO  IN THAT DIRECTION TO INVEST TO  PUT TRUE WE HAVE INDICATE AND  GET THE YES MEN BRING IT BACK  AS PROCEED ON THAT  >> SO IT'S STILL NOT TOTALLY  DOMINATE THIS. LET ME JUST.  SUMMARIZE WHERE I'M STANDING  ON THIS THING I MEAN. CITIZENS  OF ASKED OVER AND LET ME  PREFACE IT WITH THAT. WE ARE  OPEN-MINDED TO A P 3 PROJECT  THAT P 3 PROJECT THIS DEAD AND  GONE FINISHED, SO WE SIT HERE  WITH THE ABILITY TO FOCUS ON  PHASE ONE AND I DON'T THINK  IT'S CITY'S BEST INTEREST OR  THOSE FOLKS AND ENJOY THIS  SPRINGS TO DO NOTHING. HALF  MILLION DOLLARS SET ASIDE I  WOULD LOVE TO SEE. A BASIC  BUILDING BE PUT UP WITH BASIC  AMENITIES, INTEGRATE WHATEVER  HISTORIC ASPECTS WE CAN. CLEAN  IT UP AND GIVE THE PEOPLE JUST  WHAT THEY WANT WHICH IS SIMPLE  USE OF THE SPRINGS WITH SOME  CLEANING FACILITIES AS FAR AS.  PHASE 2. WE ALWAYS WANT OKAY  AND WE'RE ALWAYS ONE LET'S  JUST DOWN PHASE. ONE THE THEY  ALL JUMP OVER TO MY OTHER  ASPECT WHICH IS. THERE ARE  CONCERNS AS TO THE HEALTH OF  THE SPRING ITSELF. NOTHING  ANYBODY'S PROPOSED PROJECT  WHETHER BE THE P 3, 4, OPTION  HERE TO FOCUS ON FACE ONE  TALKS ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE  SPRINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY  HOLD THE SPRINGS IS HELPING  NOW WE'RE NOT HEALTHY. I DON'T  KNOW THAT ANY STUDIES HAVE  BEEN DONE TO DETERMINE THAT WE  SWEET TO TEST THE WATER WE DO  CHECK THE FLOW. I DON'T KNOW  THAT IT'S IMMINENT DANGER OF  OF DYING NEXT WEEK NEXT YEAR 5  YEARS FROM NOW BUT THAT IS IN  THE AREA. THE CITY IN MY  OPINION DOESN'T HAVE THE  RESOURCES NOR EXPERTISE TO  ADDRESS AND I WOULD LIKE TO  SAY FOR ANYBODY WHO HAS  CONCERNS OVER THOSE THAT  SPECIFIC ISSUE I WOULD SUGGEST  IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO PUT A  GROUP TOGETHER TO FIND THE  MONEY TO DO THIS AND TO  PARTNER WITH THE CITY BECAUSE.  IF THAT IS A CONCERN AND. I  DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS  WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T I WOULD  SAY THAT'S TOPIC THAT REALLY  HASN'T ANYBODY'S RADAR SCREEN.  IT CERTAINLY WASN'T BIG PART  OF THE P 3 EXCEPT FOR THE  STANDPOINT AS WELL DEVELOPMENT  OR TO SPRINGS, BUT NOBODY'S  TALKED ABOUT IS IT HEALTHY IS  ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO  MAKE IT TO PERPETUATE ITS LIFE  THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I  THINK HAS TO BE ADDRESSED AT  SOME POINT IN TIME. BUT WELL  THAT'S THE BASIC FACE WHAT I  WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR ANYTHING  THAT GOES BEYOND HALF MILLION  I DON'T THINK THE CITIZENS OF  THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO  USE IT WHILE MORE THAN THAT SO  WHY NOT IF JUST WHAT THEY'VE  BEEN ASKING FOR. IT SAID THAT  WASN'T FOR ME FOR ALL  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I HATE  FOLLOWING COMMISSIONERS STOKES  BECAUSE HE SAYS THAT THE SAME  KIND OF THINGS THAT I SAY AND  REALITY FOR ME WE HAVE A 0.5  MILLION DOLLARS. PERIOD. SO  WHAT CAN WE DO WITHIN THAT  BUDGET. FOR ME, BUT LET ME  ADDRESS FIRST THE OVERALL  HEALTH OF SPRINGS. I'M VERY  WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE  TEST I BELIEVE DAILY CORRECT  ME IF I'M WRONG FOR FECAL  MATERIAL ANYTHING THAT WOULD  BE HAZARDOUS TO THE HEALTH AND  WELL BEING OF PEOPLE USING THE  SPRINGS ON THAT DAY. WE PASS  MONTHLY. SO WE'VE OUT OF THE  WATER.  >> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALSO  HAS THAT WE DO ON THE SPRINGS  HIS TAKE OCCASIONS IN THE  SPRING. THAT IS VOLUNTARY THAT  WE AND THEN THAT INFORMATION  IS ALSO SHARED WITH THE HEALTH  DEPARTMENT. BUT.  >> SO NONE OF THOSE TESTS  HOWEVER BEGAN TO ADDRESS. THE  HEALTH OF THE SPRINGS AND HOW  THAT'S DECLINING ARE SAYING  THE SAME THAT WOULD BE A WHOLE  SEPARATE EVALUATION. IF I  UNDERSTAND CARUSO THEY  DEFINITELY IS RACIST AND  DIRECTORS ARE STRUCTURES THEY  ACTUALLY DO DO GIVE YOU SOME  INDICATOR.  >> SO IF WE WERE TO SEE  BACTERIA LEVELS START TO  INCREASE WE WOULD SEE THAT  SNOW WOULD BE RESTRICTED. THEY  WOULD BE AN INDICATOR FOR US  TO LOOK DEEPER INTO A PROBLEM.  >> OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.  AGAIN IF THAT'S A CONCERN FOR  ME. ONE OPTION IF WE'RE REALLY  WORRIED ABOUT THE HEALTH OF  THE SPRINGS AND BELIEVES THAT  ITS FLOW ARE IT HEALTH IS  DECLINING AN OPTION FOR US IS  TO REALLY PRESERVE FENCE  AROUND IT. NO ONE USES. SO  THAT SORT OF ONE OPTION. I  DON'T THINK ANYONE AND THIS  ROOM WANTS THAT OPTION. BUT IF  IF WE EVER DID THAT ACTIVITY  OF THE SPRINGS IS IMPACTING  ITS LONGEVITY THAT WE HAVE TO  BE PREPARED TO TAKE THAT STEP  I WOULD HOPE EVERYONE IN THE  ROOM WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.  SHORT OF THAT I THINK THAT'S  KIND OF A VERY RADICAL  SOLUTION AND THERE'S NO  OBVIOUS INDICATION THAT THE  SPRINGS ARE IN TROUBLE. AND I  CONCUR WITH VICE-MAYOR STOKES  WE HAVE A BUDGET OF 8 AND HALF  MILLION. FOR ME UNTIL COMING  INTO THIS MEETING. MY PRIORITY  WAS WATER AND SEWER TO THAT  AREA AND THE MEN AND THE 10  YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THIS  CITY HAVE BEEN AWARE OF 3  TIMES THAT WE HAD TO CLOSE  ACCESS TO THE SPRINGS BECAUSE  OF SEPTIC SYSTEM ISSUES SO AND  IN MY MIND THAT'S A REAL  ISSUE. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY  WANT TO CONFIRM THOSE UTILITY  COSTS CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT  WAS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL I  WAS CARRYING AROUND 3 TO  4 MILLION I HAD I KNOW THAT  PART OF THAT PROJECT WAS TO  RUN LINES DOWN WHAT TEAMS  MAYBE WE HAVE TO RETHINK AS  MUCH PAINS ME TO SAY I'M I  CLARIFY BY COMMUNICATED.  >> THE 12 MILLION THAT WAS IN  MY MIND INCLUDED SITE  DEVELOPMENT COST AS WELL SO  THAT INCLUDED LANDSCAPING  PARKING LIGHTING I APOLOGIZE  THE UTILITIES PORTION OF  SHOULD BE A LITTLE CLOSER  NORMAL.  >> OR MOUNTING OK, THANK YOU  THAT'S THE NUMBER I OPENNESS  MUCH BETTER. SO THAT GIVES US  4 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS  FOR THE BUILDINGS.  >> I CONCUR, I MEAN MEETING  AFTER MEETING AFTER MEETING WE  HEARD FROM FOLKS ALL WE WANT  IS ACCESS TO A HEALTHY SPRING.  >> SHOWER AND OF CITY NEED  SOME KIND OF A REASONABLE.  AREA CONDUCT BUSINESS. LET'S  KEEP IT REALLY REALLY SIMPLE.  >> I'VE BEEN A OF SAVING THE  CYCLE RAMAH I HAVE GIVEN UP ON  THAT DREAM EYE TOWARD 3 AND A  HALF YEARS AGO. AND I'LL JUST  NEVER FORGET WHEN I WENT INTO  THE BUILDING THE STAFF PEOPLE  WHO WENT WITH ME TELL TO ME TO  WATCH OUT FOR THE WILDLIFE AS  I WAS WALKING AROUND THE  INSIDE OF THE BUILDING AND  THEY DID NOT COME WITH ME.  MADE THAT WALK SO IT'S 3 AND A  HALF LATER HURRICANE LATER.  LET'S FACE IT FOLKS WE LOVE  IT. WE WISH WE COULD SAY THAT.  BUT WE HAVE A BUDGET WE HAVE  TO WORK AND BELIEVE ME I'M  GOING TO BE JUST LIKE THIS  WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT  THE POLICE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU  HAVE SO MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE TO  WORK WITHIN THAT BUDGET. I'M  INCLINED UNLESS ANYONE CAN  GIVE ME INFORMATION THAT MIGHT  CAUSE ME TO RECONSIDER. WE  TAKE DOWN THE BUILDINGS WE WE  DO THE BASIC WATER AND SEWER.  NUMBER ONE. WE TAKE DOWN THE  BUILDING'S SIMPLE LITTLE  ADMINISTRATION CENTER OUTSIDE  SHOWER OR SOMETHING THAT  FLASHES. AND BE DONE WITH IT  WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A FOOD  TRUCK. AREA I THINK THAT WAS  PART OF THE P 3 PROPOSAL. I I  THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR  PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GRAB ONE  SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE  SPEND THE DAY SO WE CAN DO  THAT WITH FOOD TRUCKS WE DON'T  HAVE TO BUILD 2. WE DON'T NEED  A WE WANT TO LET'S GET SOMEONE  TO BUILD ON IN THE AREA A  COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE THAT  WILL GENERATE RAPINOE SO I'M I  AND I WANT TO SEE THOSE  NUMBERS. YOU KNOW I PLOW  THROUGH ALL OF THIS I DID AND  OK HOW MUCH OF IS IT GOING TO  COST WITH THESE DIFFERENT  NUMBERS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO  SEE THOSE NUMBERS TO ME THAT'S  WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. I  WANT TO APPLY STAFF FOR THE  ENHANCEMENTS MADE AND SIDE THE  SPRINGS THAT CERTAINLY LOOKING  A HECK OF A LOT BETTER. AND  THEY LOOKED WHEN BENSON. HERE  THANK YOU FOR THAT. BREAKS MY  HEART, I MEAN I WANT IT. MY  DREAM WAS TO RENOVATE TO CYCLE  MAY GET HOLOGRAPHIC IMAGES TO  TELL THE STORY. I MEAN THERE'S  JUST NO MONEY TO DO ANYTHING  LIKE THAT IF WE CAN RETRIEVE  SOME OF THOSE PANELS THERE  WERE CONVERSATIONS A WHILE AGO  OF GETTING SOME RINGLING  ALRIGHT STUDENTS TOO RACE  TOWARD THOSE. AND AND MAYBE  SHOW THOSE AND AND THE LITTLE  BUILDING THAT BILL TO KIND OF.  CONTINUE THAT HISTORICAL  FLAVOR OF THE PLACE BUT WE  HAVE 8 AND A HALF MILLION  DOLLARS AND I ASK THE  RESIDENTS THIS CITY SPEND ANY  MORE THAN THAT. ON THIS  PROPERTY. THAT'S IT FOR ME.  >> MCDOWELL THEN GET YOUR  RIGHT NOW I HAVE NO RIGHT  GOING TO DO THINGS A LITTLE  BIT DIFFERENTLY. I HAVE TO  COMPLIMENT. THE C B ARE ON THE  REAL ESTATE PROPOSAL ANALYSIS  THAT THEY DID ME.  >> HE'S 3. THE PEACE TREATY IS  DEAD AND GONE. THAT REPORT OH  MY GOODNESS SAKES REALLY  SPELLED OUT SOME GREAT  RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDLESS OF  HOW WE PROCEED. THEY GAVE SOME  RELEASE SUGGESTIONS. AND AND  THAT SURVEY SHUNS AND I REALLY  HOPE IF WE EVER WERE TO USE A  P 3 IN THE FUTURE SOME OF  THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE  LOOKED AT AND YES, WE NEED TO  DO THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE  WERE REALLY. LOVE TO CLAW BACK  IF THEY DIDN'T DEVELOP THE  FACT THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA. SO  WHOEVER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR  CREATING THAT REPORT GAVE  INPUT ON THAT REPORT. RIGHT  GREAT JOB. THE APPRAISAL BY  ROGER PROBABLY PRONOUNCING IT  RIGHT IT WAS A VERY  INTERESTING APPRAISAL. BUT IT  WAS BASED ON DOING THE P 3.  AND SOLELY FOR NEGOTIATIONS  FOR P 3 I WOULD VERY  INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT AN  APPRAISAL WANT TO LOOK LIKE.  BREAKING DOWN PHASE ONE AND  PHASE 2 OF WHAT THOSE PROPERTY  VALUES ARE USING TODAY.  CONDITIONS AND TOMORROW'S  POTENTIAL RENOVATIONS IF WE  CAN EVER GET ON THE SAME PAGE.  SO THOSE ARE THE 2 STAFF YOU  SHOWED US SOME REALLY GREAT  IMPROVEMENTS TO WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS. THEY WERE FANTASTIC  ALL I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT  FOR PROBABLY THE PAST YEAR  ALONG WITH 2 GUYS IS THAT  FENCE IS SO UGLY LOOKS LIKE A  PRISON.  >> NO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE  PRISON ITS BUT THE  IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS  CAME UP WITH REALLY TO SOFTEN  IT AND I'M VERY THERE WERE  SOME PICTURES THAT DIDN'T SHOW  THE WINDSCREEN AND SOME THAT  DID SO HOPEFULLY THAT SCREEN  MERE WILL MASK.  >> SOME OF THOSE OF YEAR AREAS  AND THAT PRISON. THAT PRISON  FEEL. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS.  I REALLY HOPE THAT MAYBE WE  CAN DO TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU  DIRECTION TO REINSTATE PASSES  HOW THAT LOOKS WILL HAVE TO  COME BACK COMMISSION REVIEW.  BUT NOW THAT ONE MALE SPRINGS  IS GOING TO STAY IN THE.  >> CITIES PURVIEW WE REALLY  NEED TO LOOK AT REINSTATING  PASSES THAT WAS A HUGE BENEFIT  TO THE RESIDENTS.  >> I'M SORT ARE. OF THE  CORRECT. HAS IT BUT THEY'RE  THEY'RE NOT LIKE THEY WERE  PASSES IN THE PAST. WE WE  DON'T HAVE THE ANNUAL. WE DID  NOT REINSTATE ANNUAL PASS. ALL  OTHER CATEGORIES WE DIDN'T  REINSTATE. THE DIFFERENCE WAS  THE EXPIRATION DATE UP HOW K  WE COULD BRING THAT FORWARD ON  DURING. BUDGET DISCUSSIONS  WITH THE FEE IF YOU WANT SEE  IF WE REVISIT STUFF LIKE THAT  MAYBE EXPAND ON IT SO YEAH I  DID REMEMBER THAT WE TALKED  ABOUT PASSES. BUT I THOUGHT IT  HAD.  >> THE EXPIRATION DATE WAS  LIKE BECAUSE OF THE SO LET'S  LET'S REVISIT THAT BUDGET I  WOULD REALLY LIKE THAT  CONVERSATION.  >> SINCE.  >> SINCE THIS P 3 IS DEAD AND  GONE AND BURIED. THANK YOU TO  EVERYBODY'S FOR TRYING TO DO  THE NEGOTIATIONS. NOT TOO SURE  WHAT TO DO WITH THE BUILDINGS  BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER  OPTIONS AND LIKE OUR  CONSULTANT FROM STREET  APARTMENT. THESE BUILDINGS ARE  SPECIAL THESE BUILDINGS ARE  THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO HAVING  HISTORIC BUILDINGS.  >> AS OPPOSED TO REBUILDING  BRAND NEW. CAN WE FIND A  COMBINATION OF THE 2 WHERE WE  SHEEP THE BUILDING SHOW KIND  OF REDUCE SOME OF THE STUFF  INSIDE AND AROUND IT, I DON'T  KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE  COSTS WOULD BE THE PROBLEM.  THE ACTUAL COSTS FOR  RENOVATING IN KEEPING THE  HISTORIC BUILDINGS. IF I  REMEMBER CORRECTLY BUILDING  ONE IS THE ADMISSIONS  BUILDING. BUILDING 2 IS THE  BATHROOM SLASH HOURS BUILDING  3 IS THE CAFE.  >> SPOT AREA WAS TO AND FOR  BUILDING NUMBER ONE WAS THE  BATHROOM AND SHOWER AND IT  SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL. THAT'S  HOW LEAST THAT'S HOW IT'S LIKE  >> OKAY SO BUILDING BE WAS THE  BATHROOMS SHOWERS IN THE CARE  OKAY.  >> OKAY. WANT TO CLEAR THAT.  THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS,  THERE'S A LOT OF NONPROFIT  AGENCIES OUT THERE. THAT. I  HAVE THAT OUR REALLY  INTERESTED IN PARTNERING AND  DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT  FLORIDA FOREVER. FUNDS. THAT A  VIABLE OPTION THEY THEY  SPECIFICALLY ARE LOOKING FOR  HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANT LAND.  BUILDINGS, I'M A NATURAL  RESOURCE THAT IS NOT JUST  NATURAL, BUT HAS. HAS NATURAL  MISS THAT GOES FAR BEYOND THAT  AREA LIKE THE MANATEE MANATEE  REFUGE IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO  WHAT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS OPS.  I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO  EXPLORE POSSIBLY USING THE  FLORIDA FLORIDA FOREVER  FUNDING AND PARTNERING WITH  THAT. THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY  PROVISION I DON'T BECAUSE THEY  CAN ONLY ACCEPT APPLICATIONS  TWICE A YEAR APRIL AND  OCTOBER. SO SO THIS MIGHT BE A  WORTHWHILE VENTURE TO EXPLORE  I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IT'S A  100% DOABLE BUT IT'S WORTH  EXPLORING. WE'RE LOOKING FOR  OPTIONS. WE'VE GOT A LOOK AT  ALL WATCH IT. THAT THERE'S A  CONSERVANCY AND I'VE SPOKE  ABOUT THIS CONSERVANCY MANY  MANY TIMES AND IT'S NOT JUST  BEING DONE AT THE BAY PROJECT  BUT THERE ARE CONSERVING  OPTIONS AVAILABLE. GULF COAST  COMMUNITY FOUNDATION WAS VERY  VERY INVOLVED WITH CREATING  THE BAY CONSERVANCY UP IN THE  CITY OF SARASOTA LET'S REACH  OUT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY  CAN ASSIST OPS WITH HOW TO  MOVE FORWARD WITH PRESERVING  THESE BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF THE  HISTORICAL VALUE AND ALSO THE  NATURAL RESOURCES. STATE PARK  WEEKI WACHEE IS A STATE PARK  MYAKKA RIVER IS A STATE PARK  WE CAN REACH OUT TO GO TO THE.  DEPARTMENT OF. ENVIRONMENT  ENVIRONMENTAL. THANK YOU TO  SEE ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A  STATE PARK, I KNOW THAT I HAD  ASKED HIM FOR A MOTION TO  EXPLORE THAT OPTION WAY WE  WERE I'M GOING THROUGH P 3.  HOPEFULLY THIS WILL RENEW  ENDEAVOR. WE COULD ALSO  POSSIBLY LOOK AT A NATIONAL  PARK. I MEAN WE ARE ONLY ONE  SPRINGS FLORIDA. WE ARE THE  ONLY SPRING SOUTH OF SARASOTA  FOR THE ENTIRE SOUTHERN REGION  OF THE STATE. THERE MIGHT BE  SOME. NATIONAL SIGNIFICANCE I  DON'T KNOW AGAIN THESE ARE  QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW, BUT  THEY ARE DEFINITELY WORTH  EXPLORING. WE HAVE A RESET  BUTTON IT'S BEEN PRESSED,  WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW  WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD  WITH THAT BEFORE WE JUST GOING  WILL THOSE OTHER BUILDINGS.  HOLD JUST PROBLEM OF REAL  QUICK. AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE  OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT  A LEGACY TRIP. BECAUSE I THINK  THAT IS A HUGE BONUS WITH THIS  RESET TO GET THAT LEGACY.  TRAIL CONNECTION DONE SOONER  RATHER THAN LATER. SO THOSE  ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS I  WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN  EXPLORING FINDING OUT MORE  BEFORE WE BULLDOZE BEFORE WE  START RENOVATIONS, WE NEED TO  TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE  OPTIONS ARE EITHER CHECK. YES,  LET'S GO FORWARD OR CHECK NO  CROSS IT OFF.  >> SO JUST WANT MISSION THAT  RIGHT BEFORE. WE WERE DIRECTED  TO PURSUE THE PEACE TREATY.  THE CITY DID PUT OUT A REQUEST  FOR INFORMATION. I'M LOOKING  FOR PARTNERS FOR THE WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK PROPERTY.  TO HELP US REACH THE ECONOMIC  THOUGHT CALLS THAT COMMISSION  HAD DISCUSSED. WE HAD 0  INTEREST AND THAT RFI.  >> ECONOMIC GOALS MEANING  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MEANS  DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY AND THE  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CALLS  THAT WE HAVE THE 60 ACRES, A  LOT OF TIME 16 ALONG WITH THE  RECREATIONAL AMENITIES THAT WE  WANT TO DO AS PART OF THE  MASTER LOOKING AT THAT WHOLE  THING OF ALL WE CAN  INCORPORATE ALL THE MASTER  PLAN AND THE KNEES AND IN  DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DESIRED  ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE HAVE 0  INTEREST ON THAT INTEREST WE  CAN BRING THAT BACK UP. YEAH  THAT COULD BE AN OPTION ON THE  LEGACY TRAIL PERSON I AM  ADDRESSING THAT CHECKED IN THE  FACE TO THE DISCUSSION. SO.  >> NOT KNOWING THE WORDING OF  THAT RFI.  >> AND IF IT WAS TOO KEEP IT  NATURAL SERENE VERSUS  DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE THAT'S WHY  I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDING  WAS IN THAT ARE 5, BUT WORDS  WORDS MATTER. IF WE ARE  LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH  SOMEBODY TO KEEP IT AS A  HISTORICAL NATURAL DESIGNATION  MAYBE THAT IS KIND OF THE  PATHWAY TO GO FORWARD. THE  OTHER QUESTION I DO HAVE A  QUESTION. FEMA. THESE  BUILDINGS. HURRICANE IAN DID  NOT HELP THESE BUILDINGS. SO  THE MONEY IS GOING TO  REIMBURSE US FOR SOME OF THAT  LOSS. THAT MONEY COULD BE  APPLIED TOWARDS THESE  RENOVATIONS I WOULD DO SO I  MEAN YOU KNOW.  >> SEEING RULES FOR US TO  MANAGE ITS  THE RECOVERY OF THE SEMA WITH  THE WHAT THE INSURANCE DOESN'T  WHICH WOULD BE THE DEDUCTIBLE  PORTIONS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO  AT THE AGAIN WHAT'S THE  ESTIMATED DAMAGES FOR  EVERYTHING WE DO NEED TO KEEP  IN MIND ALSO BUILDING WAS  ALREADY CLOSED PRIOR TO THE  STORM. I'M SORRY THE WHAT  BUILDING B WAS ALREADY CLOSED  PRIOR TO HURRICANE IAN. BUT WE  THE CYCLE RAMAN HAS BEEN SO  WHERE 20 YEARS ENSURE  PROCEEDS.  >> THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS  WOULD BE 5% OF THE. INSURED  TOTAL VALUE OF THE BUILDING.  5% IS THE DEDUCTIBLE IF YOU  WILL SO AFTER THAT AND IT'S  THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE  REPAIRS WHICH HAS BEEN PRETTY  DIFFICULT TO DO WITH THE  HISTORICAL VALUE OF IT AND THE  COST OF EVERYTHING AND THEN  YOU HAVE LIMITS OF THE  INSURANCE TO THINK ABOUT TOO  AS THE POLICY ONLY HAS A  10 MILLION DOLLARS TAX. AND  ALTHOUGH BUILDING. PER THE  POLICY ON THESE STRUCTURES IN  THE CITY OUTSIDE OF THE  UTILITIES. SO OKAY, SO THE  INSURANCE PROCEEDS IS BASED ON  THE INSURED VALUE OF THE  SPRINGS WHICH BUT THE  CONDITION THAT WAS INDEED WE  ENSURE THAT ORIGINALLY THEY  WERE NOT HIGH NUMBERS BUT I  CAN GET THAT IN AN EMAIL AND  SEND IT TO IT THAT'S  DEFINITELY.  >> THAT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES  THAT CAN USE WHATEVER THE NEXT  STEP IS THAT WE DECIDE TO MOVE  FORWARD TO. GOING BACK TO THE  FAVORITE SUBJECT OF THESE  UTILITIES. I AM A BROKEN  RECORD AND I'M GOING TO SAY IT  AGAIN. THE UTILITY PROJECT IS  NOT ONLY TO RUNNING TO WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS, BUT DOWNWARD  TEENS AND THAT IS ADDED COST  FOR THIS PROJECT. AGAIN WHY  CAN WE NOT TO JUST RUN IT TO  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS FROM TREE  VOTE DOWN TO  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS GO ROUND  OF THE CITY'S OWN PROPERTY IN  THAT.  >> ALL OWNERSHIP AREA AND THEN  BRING IT BACK TO TREE THAT  WILL CUT THE COST ALMOST  ALMOST I WOULD GUESS BUT  THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO BE  EXPLORED BECAUSE WHAT WE CAN  SAVE FINANCIALLY WE CAN USE  TOWARDS THE RENOVATIONS,  WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.  >> I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE  SOME HARD NUMBERS. ON WHAT THE  COST IS TOO PASS TOO. REPLACE.  REACH OUT TO THESE OTHER  NONPROFITS TO SEE ABOUT  PARTNERING WITH THEM. SO. AND  ALSO THAT FEMA SLASH INSURANCE  REVENUES THAT WE MAY BE ABLE  TO GET  >> THAT'S IT FOR NOW ALL  RIGHT, I SOME QUESTIONS BUT WE  GOT A SECOND ROUND.  >> THE CYCLE WE'RE ALL DOING  WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS  ACTUALLY FUNCTIONAL, I MEANS  FUNCTIONING AS INSIDE I DON'T  KNOW THAT QUARTERS AGE 40. NO  IT WAS I KNOW THAT AND 19 90  WAS STILL OPEN FOR NOT IT  WASN'T FUNCTIONING WALK  THROUGH IT. BUT IT WAS NOT  EVEN WORKING BRING YEAH.  >> OUR RECORDS WERE CLOSE IN  2000. I DON'T KNOW IT YOU  BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT BUT AS  FAR AS THAT FUNCTIONING AS  TRUE RAMA.  >> I DO I DON'T LONGER A GOD  AND YEAH, I MEAN AT THAT TIME,  BUT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME IT  ACTUALLY WORKED AS A PSYCHO  DRAMA THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE  A SOUND SYSTEM AND THE LIGHTS  THAT GO AND THAT AND IN 1990  WHEN I WAS REALLY THERE IT  WAS. IT WAS JUST WALK THROUGH  I BECAUSE I WOULD BE IN FAVOR  OF SPENDING MONEY ON THAT SIDE  I'M JUST SAYING ALL THESE OF  IT. I LOVE HISTORY. YOU KNOW,  I I AND APPRECIATE BUT THERE'S  THINGS THAT I GO TO IT AND MY  SON ALWAYS TOWN TELLS ME YES  YOU WANT TO OTHER PEOPLE MOM  BECAUSE BUT THAT'S WHAT I I  APPRECIATE HISTORY BUT I KNOW  IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. AGAIN IF  THIS HASN'T BEEN FUNCTIONING  OR AT LEAST A QUARTER OF A  CENTURY AND FOR US TO TAKE ON.  THIS MASSIVE PROJECT BUT WE  HAVE SUCH LIMITED FUNDS, THE  IMPORTANCE IS TO GET. A  FACILITY A DECENT FACILITY FOR  PEOPLE TO TO HAVE A BATHROOMS  AND CHANGE AND TO HAVE THAT  FOR THEM. SO YEAH, I HAVE TO  CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE OF THE  OTHER I'M GOING TO CHOOSE  HAVING BUILDINGS FOR PEOPLE TO  HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE WHEN  THEY GO TO THE SPRINGS AND  THIS TYPE DRAMA. I EVEN HAD  ASKED ABOUT AND WE RE PURPOSE  THAT TO USE THAT AS THE  ADMISSIONS BUILDING BUT AGAIN  THE PROBLEM COMES IN WITH  ELEVATION IT'S IT WOULD NOT  SITTING WHERE IT SHOULD BE  SITTING. IT WOULD RUN TO THE  SAME PROBLEM AS WE HAD.  RECENTLY I WAS 12 INCHES OF  WATER AND IN THAT BUILDING.  AND I WOULD SEED SELECTIVELY  CHOOSING SOME OF THE ARTWORK  HAVE THAT WOULD BE DONE TO  IT'S UP THERE BUT CHOOSING  SOME OF THAT TO DISPLAY AGAIN  WHERE PEOPLE MAYBE COME IN SO  THAT THERE'S SOME. SOMETHING  THAT SHOWS WHAT WAS THERE  BEFORE. BUT AS COMMISSIONER  AND RICH SAID SOME OF THOSE  DRAWINGS ARE ARE QUITE IF ALL  JUST PUT IT THAT WAY OK EVEN  WHEN I WENT IN THERE. WELL  THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO THAT  WAS 30 YEARS I THOUGHT WHAT IS  ANYWAY I UNDERSTAND THAT. ALSO  WITH THE I WAS LOOKING AT THE  OLD LIST THAT WE HAD WE GOT  ALL THESE PRICES 4 THINGS AND  AT THAT TIME UTILITIES WAS 2.6  MILLION. THE SITE WORK WAS 4.6  MILLION. AND THE PARKING WE  HAVE TO DO PARKING BECAUSE  RIGHT NOW WE HAVE EVERYBODY  PARKING ON GRASS THAT IS JUST  ABSURD TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN  RIGHT NEXT TO THE SPRINGS AND  THAT THAT ALONE COMES TO  9 MILLION. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW  WE'RE GOING TO WORK THE MAGIC  WITH THESE NUMBERS TO GET EVEN  THE BUILDINGS ALL OF THIS HAS  TO THE DONE. AND AS WAS SAYING  THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT WOULD  THESE ICES MUCH NOW PROBABLY  THAN IT WAS WHEN WE HAVE  NUMBERS THIS WAS BACK IN 2022.  IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO PRICES  HAVE. OF THAT SITE WERE WAS TO  SUPPORT THE 60 ACRE. PLAN  THAT. HALF BUT THEN AGAIN THAT  MIGHT BE A STILL A PRETTY GOOD  FIGURE CONSIDERING PRICES HAVE  GONE UP. IT ASSESSED THESE  ESTIMATES THAT WAS. 2 YEARS  AGO. AND THE OTHER FUNDING  SOURCES I KNOW I HEAR THIS A  LOT AND YOU KNOW I'VE  INTERESTED IN HOW OTHER. HAVE  BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY THE  ENVIRONMENTALLY BASED IN THE  STATE HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED AND  I'VE DONE RESEARCH FOR FOR  MANY MANY YEARS ON THIS BEFORE  EVEN THIS CAME UP. AND IT'S  NOT AS EASY AS PEOPLE ARE  SAYING AND MY FIRST RESPONSE  IS WHERE HAVE THESE PEOPLE  BEEN IF THERE'S FUNDING.  SOURCES OUT THERE ARE  NONPROFITS WHERE ARE THEY DAY  GOT PLACE. THE WEEKI WACHEE  WAS MADE INTO A STATE PARK.  AND THAT'S THE FLORIDA  DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL  PROTECTION RUNS OUR STATE  BECAUSE THE LITTLE TOWN OF  WEEKI WACHEE WHICH HAD A  POPULATION OF 12. THAT'S WHAT  THE SIGN SAID WHEN YOU WENT IN  THEY COULD NOT AFFORD TO TO  KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE  COSTS OF WHAT WATCHING WHICH  IS WHY THEY WENT TO THE STATE  FOR THAT. BUT IT WAS IN JEST  LET'S KEEP IT AS IT IS WITH  THE MERMAIDS.  BROUGHT IN THEIR BUCANEER BAY  WHICH IS A SPRING FED COOL  IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE OUR  AQUATIC CENTER SITTING IN A  POOL. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT IT IS  THE WATER NEVER GOES BACK INTO  THE SPRINGS, BUT IT'S A SPRING  FED. COOL IT THAT BOUGHT  BROUGHT STAND AROUND IS THE  WHOLE BIT AND THAT'S REALLY  WHAT PEOPLE FOREIGN THAT  PRODUCES THE REVENUES SO THAT  SHOWED ME THAT YOU STILL HAVE  TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAKES  MONEY IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE  OTHER PORTION THAT THAT YOU  WANT TO KEEP THEIR WHICH FOR  ME IS THE MERMAIDS AND THE BIG  AQUARIUM THAT THEY PUT THIS  WOMAN BUT THAT WASN'T BRINGING  IN ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT  EVEN TAKING CARE OF IT AND THE  LAST TIME I WAS THERE WHICH  WAS JUST LIKE 2 YEARS AGO,  THEY SAID WEEKLY THEY HAVE TO  CLEAN THAT ALGAE OUT SPRINGS.  IT IS OVERWHELMING AND THEY  HAVE TO HAVE THE MONEY TO DO  THAT. SILVER SPRINGS, YES,  THEY DID GET SLIP THAT WITH MY  MONEY. BUT THAT WAS MAINLY  BECAUSE OF SEPTIC TO SEWER  CONVERSIONS WHEN I LOOKED  ABOUT WAS THE BASIS FOR PLACES  GETTING MONEY IT WAS BECAUSE  PRICES WERE ON SEPTIC. AND  THAT'S WHY THEY GAVE MONEY  FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS THAT WAS  INITIALLY ASKED IN THIS ESTATE  DECADES AGO. ONE FLORIDA WOULD  NO LONGER PERMIT DEVELOPMENT  TO OCCUR RIGHT UP TO THE  WATER'S EDGE. BUT YOU HAD TO  HAVE SOME MONEY TO COMPENSATE.  PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THAT  PROPERTY AND NOW WE'RE BEING  TOLD YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT.  BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK UP TO  SUPPORT FLORIDA FOR REFUNDS  THAT WAS WHERE THE DEVELOPERS  BECAUSE THEY WANT TO  COMPENSATED FOR THEIR  PROPERTIES. AND SO THAT'S. A  VERY LIMITED CYPRESS GARDENS  AS WE KNOW MOST PEOPLE DON'T  EVEN NOTICE CYPRESS GARDENS  ANYMORE. THE NOTE IS LEGO LAND  BUT THAT USED. FOREVER FUNDS  TO BUY THE BOTANICAL GARDEN  PART OF IT. ACTUALLY TRUST FOR  PUBLIC LANDS WHICH THE GULF  COAST. THAT'S COMING THROUGH  HERE. THEY PUT UP THE MONEY  INITIALLY AND THEN GOT REVERSE  BACK FROM AFAR RATHER FUNDS TO  BUY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT  HOWEVER THE OTHER PART OF IT  WAS DEVELOPED AN AMUSEMENT  PARK LATER BECAME IS ALWAYS  GOING TO BE A TRADEOFF BUT  THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED THESE  FUNDS ARE JUST GOING TO BE PUT  OUT THERE TO HAVE THIS LANCE  IT THERE. AND NOT HAVE  ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT WHICH  IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE  THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO AND  AND SWIM IN WANT TO ENJOY IT.  AND AS COMMISSIONER LANGDON  SAID IF WE CONCERNED ABOUT THE  INTEGRITY OF THE WATER AND  MAYBE DISCLOSE IT OFF AND JUST  LET IT BE THE WAY THE WAY IT  COURSE WE DON'T WANT THAT BACK  OKAY SO YOU HAVE TO BE THE  LIST ECONOMISTS ARE TALKING  ABOUT IT'S GOING TO BE PUTTING  UP MONEY AS IT REALLY  PRACTICAL. WOULD BE ALL  STARTING NEW WITH THOSE  BUILDINGS. AND HAVING  SOMETHING DECENT FOR PEOPLE TO  TO GO INTO. WITHOUT THOSE  PICTURES ARE HORRENDOUS WAY. I  LOOKED AT. AND THEN ALSO.  BESIDES. THAT TO GET OUT  GETTING RID OF THE SITES I  JUST CAN'T SEE THAT IS AGAIN  IF NO ONE'S TAKING THE LEAD  AND ALL THESE DECADES TO DO  SOMETHING WITH IT TO BRING IN  A NONPROFIT AND I KNOW THERE  WAS TALK OF COMING IN THAT  THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED BUT I  CAN SEE MAYBE BECAUSE THE  BUILDING ITSELF. YOU KNOW HAD  BEEN COMPROMISED SO. AND  NOTHING EVER CAME OF THAT AND  TO SAY STARTED NOW I WANT TO  STAY WARM MINERAL SPRINGS HAVE  A RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES AND  THAT IS STARTING WITH HAVING  REALLY NICE ENTRYWAY AND  FACILITY FOR PEOPLE TO USE GO  THERE SO. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS  ON THAT. AND WE'RE BACK TO  COMMISSIONER EMERGE. I JUST  GOT A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS.  DO WE KNOW WE HAVE THE NUMBERS  ON HOW MUCH  >> MONEY IS GENERATED EACH  MONTH THAT SPRINGS AT THE  CURRENT. CURRENT FACT. AFTER  COSTS LIKE  >> INCLUDED IN SUPPORTING  DOCUMENTATION WAS SUMMARY ON  THE PART. WE WERE BASICALLY  AROUND. IT 9,000 VISITORS ON  AVERAGE PER MONTH. CLEANING  I'M A 100 AND 6, 2, 30,000 IT  JUST DEPENDS ON THE MONTH  REVENUE. EXPENSES ARE ANYWHERE  FROM. 80,000. HE SAW THE KIND  ALL OVER THE BOARD RIGHT NOW  BECAUSE. WHEN WE FIRST TOOK IT  OVER WE HAVE TO PUT. MEAN TO  GET IT OPEN. WE HAVE OPERATED  BEFORE. NOW WE ALSO HAVE SOME  EXPENSES WHERE WE'RE DOING THE  REFRESHED SO WE'RE NOT ON A  REGULAR OPERATING. CYCLE AT  THIS POINT. AND YOU THAT'S  ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT. IN THE  PAST. WE. HAVE GENERALLY ABOUT  A FUND BALANCE SOMEWHERE  AROUND $800,000 THAT WAS THE  AVERAGE EACH YEAR. AND SO  WOULD HOPE THAT WE GET BACK TO  THAT SAME.  >> REASON I ASK THAT IS I JUST  WANT TO GET SOME NUMBERS  BECAUSE THE WAY WE'RE TALKING  TODAY. WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE  MORE MATCH WILL COST WHAT IT'S  GOING TO COST MOVE FORWARD YOU  HEARD FROM MULTIPLE  COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE AT THE  HALF MILLION DOLLAR PRICE AT  THIS POINT. MISTER STOKES  BROUGHT OUT THE PART ABOUT  MAYBE LEAVING THE BATHROOMS  OUT OF ARE CURRENTLY NOW I  WANT TO SEE HOW LONG IT WOULD  TAKE TO GENERATE MORE IT OVER  TIME WE CAN DO  ♪ BUILDINGS BUT ACCORDING TO  THOSE FIGURES IT WOULD TAKE  YEARS AND YEARS. SO THAT'S NOT  FEASIBLE. SO. BUT WE WE  DEFINITELY NEED RUNNING  UTILITIES BE IT JUST STRAIGHT  UP THAT OUT THERE.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL REROUTE  THE BACKUP YOU NEED THAT ROOM  WITH SYSTEM. WE NEED SYSTEM  GOING DOWN ORTIZ. YOU IT'S ALL  COSTS. NOBODY'S MENTION WHAT'S  THE COST GOING TO BE ON  DEMOLITION WITH ALL THOSE  BUILDINGS I'M SURE THAT'S  GOING TO BE A HEFTY PRICE TAG  OF CLEARING OUT 3 BUILDINGS.  IF THAT'S WHAT SIDE. WE  ALREADY KNOW RENOVATING GOING  TO COST THEM I BELIEVE THAT  WAS UP TO 22 MILLION DOLLAR  PRICE TAG THAT'S WAY ABOVE THE  8 NIGHT. WELL I THINK WE NEED  TO HAVE PROPER NUMBERS, YOU  KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THE  BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE.  >> YOU KNOW LIKE SOMEBODY SAID  OUTSIDE SHOWERS ABUSE, THE  SHOWERS LIKE THE USE OF THE  BEACH.  >> YOU KNOW. SOMETHING THAT  MAY BE SOMETHING WRAP AROUND  IT LIKE A CONCRETE WALL OR  WHATEVER THAT MISTER JUST HAVE  TALKED ABOUT FOR LITTLE BIT OF  PRIVACY BUT YOU'RE STILL  OUTSIDE. WE NEED TO GET THESE  COSTS AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. BUT  WITH THE BEST BANG FOR OUR  BUCK FOR THE CITIZENS OUT  THERE AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS  THE OTHER SIDE OF THE THE PALM  BUT PARKING IS AN ISSUE, YOU  KNOW THAT MAY NEED TO BE  INCLUDED TO WHERE WE CAN  GENERATES MORE MONEY FOR SOME  OF OUR CITIZENS SO ALLOW THEM  TO BRING THEIR FOOD TRUCKS OUT  HERE, YOU KNOW. THERE'S A LOT  OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PLAN ON  IN FUTURE, BUT RIGHT NOW WE  NEED THE BASICS COSTS. WHAT  EVERYTHING'S GOING TO COST AND  THEN. DO WE HAVE THE MONEY OR  WHETHER WE NEED TO GET THE  MONEY. AND IS THAT FEASIBLE.  BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT WE NEED  WHERE WE'RE STILL ON THE  STARTING PAY JO. SEE WHAT WE  CAN DO AND WE NEED THOSE  NUMBERS. AND THAT'S PART OF  >> AND THE STEPS THAT WOULD  LIKE TO ENGAGE THE KENLEY  HARM. YOU KNOW WHICH PATH YOU  WANT TO TAKE THAT WE OF COST.  >> I WAS CURIOUS. WHAT PETER  WAS HERE. BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT.  ♪ ♪ >> LIKES IT MEAN OUR MEETINGS  MAY SEEN HIM IN A WHILE.  >> I'M GOOD MAYOR THAT'S ALL  VICE MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, I MEAN.  >> JUST TO IF WE WERE TO  OCCUR. ADDRESS  >> BASIC MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS  ARE ON PHASE. ONE WITH  BATHROOMS RUN UTILITIES. IT'S  THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY WE CAN  TO THE SPRINGS PROVIDE  BATHROOMS AND SHOWERS AND THE  SIMPLE BUILDING. I MEAN THAT'S  NOT TO FORESTALL BEFORE WHAT  OR THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE  COULD BE SOME COLLABORATION TO  AT SOME POINT IN TIME KILLED A  NEW CYCLE OR ON NEW MUSEUM  OTHER AMENDMENTS IF. THERE WAS  INTEREST ONCE THE BASIC  SPRINGS WAS CLEANED UP TO A  POINT WHERE WE COULD IT WOULD  BE SUSTAINING AND AND PROVIDE  THE BASIC AMENITIES THERE'S  NOTHING TO SAY THAT THOSE  OTHER THINGS COULDN'T COME IN  TIME AS LONG AS THEY WERE  LOW-IMPACT ENOUGH AND THEY FIT  WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT THAT THE  18 ACRES. JUMPING TO. SHOULD A  COULD A  >> WAR.  >> OBVIOUSLY. MYRIAD AREAS  THAT MIGHT BE PURSUED  INVESTIGATED. THE SPRINGS HAS  BEEN IT AND THE CASE STATE FOR  I CAN'T. WELL BEFORE I MOVED  HERE AND THE REALITY IS  COMMISSION AFTER COMMISSION  HAS DONE NOTHING THERE HASN'T  EVER BEEN ANY GROUP THAT  STEPPED UP. NOBODY'S PUT THEIR  MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH  THERE'S PLENTY OF SINGING BUT  NO BRING IN. OK ASHLEY GOT  ABOUT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AND  IT WASN'T EVEN A PROJECT THAT  MOST PEOPLE SUPPORT SO.  >> THE REALITY IS YOU CAN'T  DREAM ON ALL YOU WANT. I MEAN  I LOOKED INTO FLORIDA FOREVER  RATE ORGANIZATION HOWEVER IN  RECENT YEARS. THEY'RE LIMITED  THEIR FUNDING IS EXTREMELY  LIMITED THEIR PRIORITY LIST IS  EXTENSIVE FOR PROJECTS  INVOLVING ONLY 20 SOME ODD  ACRES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW  THAT WE'RE TALKING 80 HERE. IT  WOULD BE ONE OF THE SMALLEST  PROJECTS. IT CAN TAKE MONTHS  UPON MONTHS. JUST TO GO 3 UP  UP APPLICATION PROCESS TO GET.  REVIEW TO GO ON THE PRIORITY  LIST FLORIDA FOREVER. AND THEN  IF YOU MANAGE TO GET ON THAT  LIST YOU ARE PRIORITIZED AS A  LOW PRIORITY, IT COULD BE  YEARS YEARS BEFORE YOU EVER  SEE ONE DOLLAR. I WOULD SAY DO  WE REALLY WANT TO LEAVE.  ♪ THIS PROJECT WITH NO CHANGE  JUST THE WAY IT IS WITH  PORT-A-POTTIES AND TEMPORARY  FACILITIES FOR YEARS. I SAY  NOT THIS COMMISSION'S PRODUCT  ITSELF IN MAKING DECISIONS. I  DON'T THINK.  >> ADDRESSING THIS 18 ACRES IN  PROVIDING BASIC CLEAN  AMENITIES AND MAKING THIS  SOMETHING WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN  ORTIZ AND LOOK AT THE FRONT  YOU COULD FEEL PROUD. I DON'T  THINK THAT STANDS IN THE WAY  OF FUTURE POTENTIAL  IMPROVEMENTS BEYOND SO I  REALLY SEE THE NEED TO MOVE  FORWARD ON A PHASE, ONE  BECAUSE 2, 3, 4, YEARS FROM  NOW IF WE COULD EVEN DO IT FOR  8 AND A  ♪ HALF MILLION NOW IT WILL BE  15 MILLION. IN 3, 4, 5, YEARS.  I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT.  >> I APPRECIATE THE LEGACY  TRAIL CONNECTOR THAT SHOULD BE  DONE REGARDLESS. WE ALL KNOW  LAND WE SHOULD DEDICATE A  PEACE AND WE SHOULD LOOK TO  OUR COUNTY AND WE SHOULD LOOK  TO THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND  THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THEY  HAVE THE MONEY TO PUT THIS  CONNECTOR I DON'T THINK IT  SHOULD COST THE CITY ONE DIME  HAVE A CONNECTOR AND MINERAL  SPRINGS, ALL WE SHOULD DO IS  CONTRIBUTE THE LAND LET THEM  PUT UP THE MONEY TO DO IT AND  I THINK THAT CAN GET DONE AND  I THINK AND HOPE STAFF IS  WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE THAT  SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALL  ALONG THE WAY AND INSTEAD IT  GOT TABLED, WHILE WE WAITED  FOR A CASE RATE WHICH NEVER  CAME TO IN THE FINAL THING I  WILL FOREGO THE NUMBER SAYS I  WOULD NEVER BE SUPPORTIVE OF  SELLING. WHAT A FOR US THIS 88  WHEN AMERICAN OR TO JUMP TO  JUST TO GO OVER I MEAN IN THE  STAFF REPORT. THERE WERE  NUMBERS PROVIDED IN. TO FISCAL  YEAR 20.  >> REVENUE VERSUS EXPENSES  NETTED $275,000 IN. FISCAL  YEAR 21. IT NETTED 893,004 '09  IN 20 TO 9 6842, PRETTY  HEALTHY NUMBERS THAT COULD  HELP CONTRIBUTE TO. A LOT OF  THINGS IN FISCAL 23 LOST  208,138. THAT WAS A TOUGH  YEAR. AND 24 SO FAR WE'VE BEEN  FOR MONTHS GENERATED $447,500  AGAINST COST OF 2.96 TO FOR  UNMET.  >> OF ONE 51 THE QUESTION I  HAVE FOR STAFF IS DOES THAT  INCLUDE.  >> AND ALLOCATION FOR PROPERTY  INSURANCE GENERAL LIABILITY  DOESN'T ALSO INCLUDE  ALLOCATION FOR LANDSCAPE  MAINTENANCE AND THAT SORT OF  STUFF THAT'S CONTRIBUTED BY  VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE  CITY SET A FULLY LOADED SET OF  NUMBERS IT WE PAY  >> THE TO THE GENERAL FUND.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT'S GOOD.  SO I MEAN IT MAKE SOME MONEY  MAKE HUGE AMOUNT BUT IT SO  IT'S NOT RAINING AND TAXPAYERS  DOLLARS. AGAIN ALL COME BACK  TO WHAT I SAID ORIGINALLY THIS  COMMISSION DOESN'T KICK THE  CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND IT  SHOULDN'T ON THIS PROJECT  PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR  THEY WANT SOME BASIC CLEAN  MANATEES SO THEY CAN ENJOY  THEIR SPRINGS AND WE DON'T  HAVE TO SPEND. STU THE CITY'S  TIME AND EFFORT ON THE STRAW  ON AND LET'S CLEAN IT UP LET'S  GET BASIC AMENITIES, LET'S  MAKE IT  PERHAPS WHEN YOU DRIVE UP TO  THE FRONT OF IT YOU GO WOW  AND. MOVE ON THAT AND AND  ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER  ISSUES. ULTIMATELY IN MY  OPINION. MINERAL SPRINGS IS  THAT THE CITY OF NORTH PORT'S  ECONOMIC VIABILITY AND FUTURE  IT'S NOT THE END MAY COME IN  SPRINGS, ECONOMIC DRIVER. IT  IS A SYMBOL OF OUR CITY, IT'S  IMPORTANT IS TO BE PRESERVED  TAKEN CARE OF FUN. IT'S THE  PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO GET  PEOPLE EXACTLY WHAT THEY PASS.  OFF MY SO OK I WAS ABOUT RIGHT  HIP. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I I JUST  HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BUT  MAYOR I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF  MOTIONS WHEN WHEN YOU'RE  READY. I'M GOING TO ALLOW  MYSELF ONE MINUTE GRAB  SOMETHING AND YOU OPENED THE  DOOR BUT WE HAVE ACQUIRED THIS  PROPERTY 12 YEARS AGO WE SPENT  5 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS  TO ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY  WITHOUT A PLAN AND WITHOUT A  BUDGET FOR ITS UPKEEP SHAME ON  >> SO I WILL SIMPLY SAY THIS  COMMISSION HAS DEMONSTRATED  SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST 2 OR  3 YEARS THAT WE DON'T SHY AWAY  FROM THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAVE  ELECTED.  >> YEARS AND YEARS DECADES AND  DECADES.  >> AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE GOT  A LOT OF **** I'M SORRY DID I  JUST VIOLATE OUR.  >> SAY YOU KNOW WE DO AND I'M  GOING TO FEEL SORRY FOR MYSELF  JUST 30 SECONDS SO I WOULD  JUST ASK THE PUBLIC.  >> TO PLEASE WORK WITH  THOUGHTS. WE ARE TRYING SO  HARD TO DO THE RIGHT THING.  >> STAFF IS JUST SO EXPENSIVE.  >> TODAY.  >> AT AND I FIND MYSELF ALWAYS  SAYING IN PRIVATE FUNDING WE  HAVE DONE THIS 10 YEARS AGO OR  EVEN 5 YEARS AGO WE COULD HAVE  GOTTEN IT DONE. BUT WE'RE  DOING IT NOW SO PLEASE WORK  WITH US I I TOTALLY SUPPORT SO  DID THE MEME MINIMALIST  APPROACH I I'D LIKE TO SEE  EVERYTHING LAID OUT LINE ITEM  BY LINE ITEM SO THAT WOULD BE  WHAT DOES THE DEMOLITION OF  THE BUILDINGS CASA RETAINING  SOME OF THOSE PANELS. WHAT  WOULD IT COST TO CONSTRUCT A  NEW BASIC CENTER WITH THE  BASIC AMENITIES HARD TO FIGURE  IT'S ON THE WATER AND SEWER  IMPLEMENTATION AND THE PARKING  IMPROVEMENTS. THE PARKING  IMPROVEMENTS MAY HAVE TO WAIT.  I DON'T KNOW. I'M AND I I  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ON A  LINE ITEM BASIS. SO WE CAN  KIND OF PICK AND CHOOSE AND  MAYBE SAY OK THIS THIS WAITS  TO LATER AND AND THAT'S REALLY  THE BASIS OF. MY FIRST MOTION.  I WOULD ALSO SAY I'M LEANING  IN. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL CAMP  WHEN SHE SAYS WE SHOULD  ENTERTAIN STATE TAKING OVER  THIS AND MAKING IT A STATE  PARK. AND MY HEART OF HEARTS I  WANT THE CITY OUT OF THE WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS JUST IT'S JUST  WE'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO MANAGE  AND RON THAT KIND OF AN  IMPORTANT ASSET. I DON'T THINK  WE NEED TO STOP OUR FORWARD  MOMENT WHILE WE EXPLORE THAT.  BUT AT I BUST AND I'M GOING TO  BE A LITTLE CRANKY TO DIRECTOR  BECAUSE I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY  AND MAIZE MEETINGS FOR A PRO  FORMA ON MINERAL SPRINGS, AND  I WANT TO CAN OUT AND I HAVE  NEVER SEEN NUMBERS ON WHAT  DOES IT COST FOR US TO  MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY, I'VE  NEVER SEEN NUMBERS ON WHAT OF  OF THE REVENUE THAT'S  GENERATED SHOULD BE KEPT  PROTECTED ENOUGH AND FOR THE  OF THOSE BUILDINGS. SHOWED HER  THE PRO FORMA THAT YESTERDAY  IT WOULD INCLUDE OH I'M SO  SORRY I MISSED THAT I  APOLOGIZE. SO WE HAVE THE PRO  FORMA I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  APPRAISAL YEAH THAT I DO  APOLOGIZE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT. ONE MINERAL SPRINGS  CAN MAINTAIN ITSELF WITHOUT  GOING TO THE TAXPAYERS AND YOU  KNOW TALKED FOR YEARS THAT THE  PROPERTY GENERATES MILLIONS OF  DOLLARS. CROSS SET ONLY  BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPLIED ALL  COSTS OF REALLY MAINTAINING  THAT PROPERTY COMPLETELY. I I  THINK IT WERE OR BREAK EVENT.  WHEN YOU DO THAT SO ANYWAY AND  ENOUGH OF THAT. AND I JUST  WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT  EVEN THOSE EVEN THOUGH WE WILL  SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I'M  BRINGING WATER AND SEWER TO  THAT PROPERTY SEPTIC SYSTEMS  TO THE OF ONE MINERAL SPRINGS.  I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S  WORRYING ABOUT THAT. I THINK  ABOUT IT WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF  THE DOUBT AND SHOULD THERE BE  A CORRECTIVE ACTION SHOULD WE  BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY IN  TERMS OF CORRECTIVE ACTION. SO  ANYWAY, I'LL STOP SLAP AND MY  JAZZ MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER  YOU'RE OKAY I HAVE YOU DOWN  AND MAKE YOU HERE.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, SO I'M GOING TO  RESPOND TO CONVERSATION WITH  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME  WE GET TO DO IN A SPRING SAYS  OPEN AND IT'S BEING USED AND  IT'S MAKING THE CITY MONEY  THERE'S NO DISPUTING THAT IT  MAY NOT LOOK PRETTY BUT I HAVE  A FEELING THE USERS ARE VERY  USED TO HOW IT LOOKS AND  THEY'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE  IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN  MAKE. WE WE REALLY SHOULD BE  LOOKING ALL THE OPTIONS. SO  ONE OF MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS, MAYBE IT WAS  MAYOR, I'M NOT SURE SAID  NOBODY CAME FORWARD. WELL ONE  OF THE MAIN REASONS NOBODY  CAME FORWARD. IS BECAUSE. WE  WENT DOWN THE PEACE REPACK.  COMPLETELY SHUT DOORS TO  NONPROFITS TO CONSERVANCIES TO  OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE THEY  KNEW THIS IS THE PATH THE  COMMISSION WANTED TO TAKE SO  THOSE STORES THAT CLOSED  IMMEDIATELY. NOW THOSE DOORS  ARE WIDE OPEN AGAIN. BUT WE  HAVE TO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT  HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO WALK  THROUGH THOSE OPEN DOORS AND  EXPLORE THE ACTIONS THAT I HAD  SHARED. AND WE WANT THE PEACE  REBID WE HAD 2 PEOPLE COME  FORWARD WITH THEIR IDEAS ON  WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO.  ONE WAS SELECTED. AND THEN IT  WENT OUT TO BID TO ALL OF THE  OTHER ENTITIES ONLY ONE BEEN  CAME BACK FOR CONSTRUCTION. SO  SOMETHING. WHEN YOU GO TO A  HIGH SCHOOL DANCE. YOU KNOW  JUST DANCE WITH ONE PERSON YOU  CAN ADVANCE WITH A WHOLE BUNCH  AND TO HAVE ONLY ONE TO CHOOSE  FROM SHOULD HAVE SENT ROCKETS  IN RED FLARES UP IN THE AIR  THAT SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT.  Y'ALL GOTTEN YOUR SOAPBOX MY  TURN. IT IRRITATES ME WHEN I  HEAR PEOPLE SAY NOTHING'S BEEN  NOT NOTHING'S BEEN DONE  NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. THAT'S  WRONG THAT'S NOT FAIR. THIS  COMMISSION. TOOK THE STEPS TO  TRY AND FIND THE MONEY TO DO  THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE  BUILDINGS AND BROKE IT OUT IN  PHASES THIS COMMISSION WE WE  CAME UP WITH THE MASTER PLAN  TO FOLLOW THAT WAS NOT A PLAN.  IT GOT TO VA BECAUSE THE COST  TO FIX THOSE BUILDINGS. SO  WHEN WHEN PEOPLE. EVERYBODY  SAYS NOTHING'S BEEN IT'S NOT  FAIR. WE'VE GOT THE WE'VE GOT  THE SPRINGS BACK OPEN APRIL OF  23. KUDOS TO STAFF ARE MAKING  THAT HAPPEN. AND WE GAVE 5  DAYS OF FREE ADMISSION. WHAT  WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST TO DO  WHAT WE CAN. BUT AT THE SAME  TIME PEOPLE SAYING NOTHING'S  BEING DONE NOTHING IS BEING  DONE THE THINGS BEING DONE. WE  DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. AND  NOBODY WANTS TO. KIND OF THE  PHRASE PUT UP OR SHUT UP. 0.5  MILLION. AND NOW WE NEED TO  FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO  DO TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR  THAT UP AND I AM ALL IN FAVOR  OF TRYING TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO  WAS. SMARTER THAN ALL OF US  DONE THIS BEFORE ALL OF US AND  KNOW HOW TO DO THIS AND GET IT  DONE CORRECTLY. AND TO TEASE  OUT THERE THAT HELP US. WE  HAVE TO DO IS INVITE THEM TO  WALK THROUGH THE DOOR IF THIS  COMMISSION IS WILLING TO TAKE  A FEW MORE MONTHS WE DON'T  HAVE TO DECIDE SOMETHING TODAY  TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER  OPTIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE  WILLING TO WALK THROUGH THAT  DOOR. WON'T YOU BULLDOZE THOSE  BUILDINGS. ALL THOSE OTHER  OPTIONS JUST MIGHT FLY AWAY  AGAIN, AND NEVER COME BACK.  YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE STATE PARK  MIGHT WANT TO TAKE IT WITH THE  BUILDINGS INTACT BECAUSE OF  THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF  THAT. WE DON'T KNOW. SO I AM  GOING TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS WITH  THESE UPCOMING MOTIONS. I HAVE  TO GIVE STAFF PROPS FOR DOING  EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN  TRYING TO GET DONE FOR WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS. YEAH, IT  IRRITATES ME THAT THIS PARCEL  WAS PURCHASED. KNOWING THE  CONDITION, KNOWING HOW IT IS  THAT IN THE REPORTS IT'S IN  THE AGREEMENT THAT WE FULLY  UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION  THINGS AND WE TAKE FULL  RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. SIGNS  ON THAT. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME  COMING THIS IS A RESET THAT'S  TOO RIGHT, LET'S FOLLOW THAT.  PLAN THAT WE HAD SET OUT 2019  TO FOCUS PAGE ONE. AND MOVE  FORWARD. AND JUST FOR PEOPLE  THAT'S ON THE PASSING A NOTE  TO THE MAYOR. OUR I MEAN TO  COMMISSIONER LANGDON IT WAS  THE PERFORMER SHEET THAT WAS  IN THE MATERIALS OF  >> COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE  VALUATION IT'S IN SO JUST SO  PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHAT  WOULD NOTES MY PASSING TO A  COMMISSIONER THERE IT IS.  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. YEAH  HE'S GOT.  >> QUESTION FOR STAFF FROM  SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ABOUT  THIS PRODUCT. HOW LONG WOULD  IT TAKE TO GET THESE NUMBERS  YOU KNOW WE WERE TO GIVE YOU  DIRECTION OPTION. ONE AS YOU  PUT IN THE AGENDA. HOW ARE WE  TALKING TO GET THESE NUMBERS  IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN  OVERNIGHT CORRECTLY.  >> NOW IT IS NOT WOULD HAVE  AMEND THE AGREEMENT THAT WE  HAVE WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND  ASSOCIATES TO FOCUS ON.  WHATEVER THAT ACTION IS AND  THEN DETERMINE. BUT IT'S THE  PROGRAM OF THAT MINIMAL  BUILDING THAT WE NEED AND THEN  THEY WOULD BE ABLE PROVIDE US  A PROBABLE COST WE BUT WE NEED  TO KNOW WHAT IT IS CORRECT  THAT WANT TO GET INTO THE MY  SECOND QUESTION IS.  >> IT'S ABOUT 6 MONTHS JUST 6  MONTHS, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY  BE THE DOOR IS STILL WIDE  OPEN. WE'RE JUST GETTING  NUMBERS AT THIS POINT. TO FIND  A DIRECTION TO GO FORWARD AND  ASKING YOU THAT YOU ASK US TO  GIVE YOU DIRECTION ON WELL  HALF AT THIS TIME ARE WE  LOOKING AND I THINK AS A BOARD  WE 0.5 MILLION DOLLARS WHAT  CAN GET DONE. THAT'S WHY I  WANT TO PUT THAT OUT, YOU KNOW  WE'RE STILL. JUST NEED  INFORMATION.  >> LET'S MOVE ON TO PUBLIC  COMMENT I'M I WAS GOING DOWN  THERE HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD NOT  TAKE 6 MONTHS. BUT I GET YOUR  POINT IT WILL BE A WINDOW OF  TIME THERE. I WOULD SAY WHILE  WE ARE DOING THAT PIECE IT  WILL ALLOW THE PEOPLE WHO YOU  HAVE HEARD FROM.  >> VOCALLY THROUGHOUT OUR  WHOLE P 3 TIME. THE  OPPORTUNITY TO ORGANIZE IN THE  WAY THAT THEY WANT TO DO IS.  ALL THE WORDS THAT WE HEARD  ABOUT A STATE PARK THE  NATIONAL PARK OTHER THINK THAT  WE'VE HEARD IT GIVE THEM THE  TIME TOO BRING BACK THAT  ARGUMENT TO YOU AS WELL  BECAUSE WHAT WE DID OUR EYE IN  JUNE OF 2022. THERE WAS NO  EXPOSES TOWARDS THE SAME  EFFORT AND THAT WAS WELL  BEFORE WE STARTED THE 3 WHICH  WAS THE YEAR LATER AFTER THAT.  SO WE DIDN'T PRONE WE WANT TO  DO THIS TO GO TO BE GREAT TO  BE 3 WAS SORT A LAST RESORT IN  THE THAT FOR US. THEY'VE  SPOKEN. WE'VE HEARD THEY HURT  US I THIS WAY IN THAT  DIRECTION SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE  GOING TO GIVE US OPTION ONE  THAT WE BOTH LET THEM ORGANIZE  AND COME BACK AND TALK TO THAT  SAME TIME WELL.  >> OKAY THANK YOU FOR  CLARIFYING THAT WITH WITH THE  DATES. ONE TIME COMING SO NOW  I'M GOING ASK FOR PUBLIC  COMMENT.  >> BY A I COULD COMMENT ON IT  PEOPLE SHOWN YOU THAT THEY  WANT LEAD ALL AND SURVEY  THROUGH.  >> COMING. THANK FOR MINERAL  SPRINGS, A PUBLIC PARK.  CREATION. DO NOT PURSUE  PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ARE  A COMMERCIAL VENTURE WITH OF  MOST ALL TIME AND WE WANT BE A  PUBLIC PARK PARK ARE CURRENTLY  HARMONY. AND WE ARE FALLING  BEHIND WITH POPULATION PERSON  PARKLAND IN OUR POLL BRING OUR  METTLE DURING A PUBLIC PARK.  THANK  >> AND WE PASSED PUBLIC  COMMENT FOR A MOMENT TO ART.  MATTER WHEN WE STARTED THIS  DISCUSSION WE SAID WE WERE  GOING TO BREAK UP THE  DISCUSSION INTO PHASES PHASE  ONE TO PHASE 2 AND THEN LEGACY  TRAIL ALL WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH  WAS PHASE. ONE SO I DON'T KNOW  WHY WE'RE DOING PUBLIC COMMENT  YET WE STILL HAVE MORE OF OUR  DISCUSSION ABOUT PHASE 2  LEGACY TRAIL. IF I IF I HEARD  CORRECTLY, IT IS OKAY THAT'S  CORRECT I THANK YOU. SO THEY  HAVE TO PAUSE PUBLIC COMMENT  CARE IT LEGALLY DO SHRANK YOU  ALL RIGHT SO I KNOW THAT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAD. SAID  SHE HAD MOTIONS READY TO GO.  YEAH, I'M JUST ONE AND THAT I  ALL JUMPING THE HE'LL BE AND  ALSO JEAN UNTIL WE HAVE  >> TO THE PASS OPTION TO NOT A  COMMENT SHE WAS LEGALLY CAN'T  WIN WITH A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE  HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE YOU VOTE.  SO YOU COULD HAVE IT NOW IF  YOU WANTED TO YOU COULD HAVE  ACTUALLY TAKE THE MOTIONS BUT  MAKE SURE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU  VOTE ON ANY. IT'S THAT THEM SO  STILL HAVE OPTION TO SECOND SO  ALL TOLD TIME MOTION UNTIL THE  ALL RIGHT CHILLING BOTH PHASES  SAID ONE OK OUR ABOUT I KNOW  >> TO TAKE A SHORT LITTLE  BREAK FOR PHASE, ONE I MEAN 4  COUNTS THAT I 10 MINUTES SO  WE'LL BE BACK AT TO 19.  >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO  OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR  SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A  GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST  I WAS RECYCLE DRIVER FOR 5  YEARS FOR THE AND THEN I  BECAME THE PLAN A SCHEDULE  AFTER TAKING AN INTEREST  EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON HOW TO  RECYCLE PROPERTY MY POSITION  MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY I START  OUT BY VISITING THE NEW  RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE  GARBAGE AND RECYCLING  CONTAINERS TO BE THE LIMIT  AND.  >> I WILL GO SEE THEM AND  EDUCATE THEM ON A SOLID WASTE  GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE  FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER  THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE  CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT  RECYCLE CONTAINERS MANUALLY  FOR CONTAMINATION.  ♪ AND THEN I WILL TAKE CALLS  FROM DRIVERS IF THERE'S  ♪ ANY ISSUES WITH A REPEAT.  GARBAGE CYCLE AND I WILL GO  EDUCATE THE WHAT I LOVE MOST  ABOUT THE PORT IS. THERE ARE  FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.  ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID  WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY  COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE  THEM ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S  ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO  ♪ RECYCLE PROPERLY.  >> PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO  THE NORTH PORT. HERE TODAY,  WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT.  >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY  SET OUT WHAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE  OUT. WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS  THE WRONG THING BASICALLY  FRANK ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T  FIT IN THE CONTAINER THAT'S  GARBAGE IS GOING TO GO  CURBSIDE GOING TO STAY OFF  DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT ACCEPT  THAT IS TIRES CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1650  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE COULD PICK OUT  ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S  NOT GIVE US A CALL  941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET THE  STORM AND THAT'S DUE TO A  VARIETY OF REASONS. ONE ALL  FIRST RESPONDERS OFF THE  ROADS, THE TROPICAL STORM  FORCE WINDS ARE SUSTAINED FOR  THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A  STANDARD TO IN OTHER STATES  THAT SO WE WILL HAVE A BACKLOG  OF CALLS THAT HAVE COME IN  DURING THE STORM THAT WILL  PRIORITIZE BASED ARE GOING TO  ANOTHER RESPONDING TO AS WELL  AS THE CALLS THAT ARE  CURRENTLY COMMUNICATOR. ALSO  ON THE ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED.  THERE MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE  ROADS ARE TECHNICAL FIRST IN  TEAMS WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT  AWAY TO CLEAR THE ROADS ANY  HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR  VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE.  ♪ JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN  YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR  CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE  ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CARE  ABOUT OUR RESIDENT AND THAT  SAFETY, BUT IT MAY  ♪ JUST TAKE A WHILE FOR US TO  GET TO THE PANDEMIC THAT  >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY YOU'RE GOING TO  IT IS THEY ARE GOING SEE STORM  SURGE FLOODING OVER NEXT SO  STORM SURGE IS STRONG  SUSTAINED WHEN ARE CONSTANTLY  GOING OVER A LONG PERIOD OF  TIME OVER THE GOAL IS PUSHING  WATER UP ONTO NOT HAPPEN.  THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING A  LOT OF BEACH EROSION ALONG  TEACHER AND THE HOME. HOWEVER  THIS STORM CAN ALSO PUSH WATER  OF THE RIVER PUSHED ON THE  MYAKKA RIVER FOR INSTANCE, AGO  AND THEN THE WATER COMING  DOWNSTREAM FROM THE RIVER HAS  ORDERED TO DO BECAUSE WATER TO  BACK FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH  A LOT OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM  ALSO CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER  FLOODING INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING AS WELL.  PUBLIC WORKS HAS A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR AND WANT JUST STORM SURGE  FLOODING IN OUR WATER IF YOU  WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON  THAT WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL  ABOUT A LOT FOLKS  ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL US ON THE  AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR  PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT  WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH  PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO  TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR  FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE  RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY  UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE  LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR  CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE  AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  BLOW FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED  SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM WE WERE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU WANT  TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO  OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO  SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT  THE AQUATIC CENTER AND  ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO  COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA  WHERE THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES  THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO  THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED  MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS  THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE  MILESTONE WE CAN CONTINUE  MOVING ON THROUGH THEM AND AT  THE END OF IT IT'S A PRETTY  AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN THEY  GRADUATE IS ONE OF THE FINAL  THINGS THAT THEY DO IS THEY  JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND THEY  HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL OVER ON  THE BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE  TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND THAT  POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST AN  AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT  LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO  SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE  CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING  OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON AND AROUND  THE WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH NOW  REOPENED DIDDY MARIO TELL  PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN  DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN HERE  5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT  EXCELLENT SO MARIO TELL PEOPLE  WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO.  THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR  SOLID WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT  AND I AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS  TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON  RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS  INTERESTING VERY SO MARIO WHAT  HE FOUND INSIDE THE RECYCLING  BIN SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO  LET'S TRY TO TELL PEOPLE HOW  TO RECYCLE  ♪ MOST COMMON THING I FIND FRANK  PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM  ♪ AND MISSION DECIDEDLY  CONTAINED THAT'S RIGHT INSIDE  THE BLUE CONTAINERS. SHOULD BE  YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY  STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH  DOING A LOT OF RECYCLING  INSIDE THE CONTAINERS OF I  COME ACROSS A LOT OKAY I WANT  TO DO THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LA SALLE I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET  EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S  IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS  SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE  PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME  AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR  BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR  HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE  DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND  THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T  WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE  AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE  THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK  ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU  MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF  TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT YET  SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO THAT  ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE  ♪ BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN  TUNED IN TO 97 POINT.  >> I'M STACEY SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN FLOOD ZONES AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS.  >> SO FLOOD ZONES ARE  GENERATED BY FEMA AND THEY'RE  USED TO DETERMINE THE  LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL FLOOD  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF  YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR  HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES  ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA  THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL  HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW WE LEFT  OFF WE ARE GOING  >> ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR  MOTIONS FOR PHASE, ONE. BUT  WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC  COMMENT OR PHASE ONE AND PHASE  2 YOU HAVE NOT SUBMITTED A  COMMENT CARD. AND YOU WANT TO  COMMENT SPECIFICALLY ON THE  BASE. 2. PORTION BE SURE YOUR  COMMENT ART IS UP HERE TAKE  OFF PUBLIC COMMENT NOW BUT  WE'LL DO A MOTION FOR PHASE,  ONE EARTH TENSE. BUT WE GET  THIS QUESTION QUESTION OUR  MINDS WHAT TALKED ABOUT AND  WHAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON  AND THEN WE WILL MOVE TO  HAVING COMMISSION DISCUSSION  ABOUT THINGS PROVIDE I MADE  THAT CLEAR SO WE'RE GOING TO  CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> I MAKE A IT IN WHAT PEOPLE  SHOWN ME THAT LEAVE  ♪ >> THINK A  ♪ >> PUBLIC PARK. CAN TO PUBLIC  PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP,  COMMERCIAL VENTURE WITH  PROPERTY LOT OF AND WE WANT BE  A PUBLIC PARK PARK ARE  CURRENTLY IN CARNAGE AND WE  FOLLOWING THE POPULATION  VERSUS PARKLAND IN PLEASE  THINK I BRING A PUBLIC PARK.  THANK YOU.  8, 3, 2,  ♪ ♪ >> AND CITY COMMISSION  MEETING. I THINK IN EYE TO  EYE.  ♪ TREATY  ♪ POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. LEADING  THE APART. EVERYTHING NATURAL.  LIKE YOU KNOW TRAIL IN CARBON  NOT. AND 2 CONDOS HOTELS ANY  OF THAT KIND OF 19 MASTER PLAN  IF PEOPLE THEY ARE.  ♪ ♪ CITY OF ATLANTIC CARE FOR 4  PARK.  ♪ BELIEVE THAT HOPES TO SELL THE  PARK TO THE STATE  ♪ FLORIDA OR FLORIDA FOREVER  PROGRAM. WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT  MUCH BETTER THAN THE  >> PARKER. AND HONESTLY, FACT  THAT THE FLOW RATE FOR MINERAL  SPRINGS HAS BEEN DECLINING  STEADILY OVER MANY DECADES  GEMINI SPRINGS AND THE BARI  HAD TO BE CLOSED TO SWIMMING  FROM LEAD YOU TO SUCH A  DECREASED FLOW RATE AND THE  OVER DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT  LAND. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE  BALANCE NORTH PORT HOUSING  BOOM PROTECTING WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK AND ITS  ENVIRONMENT. THE FIRST STEP IS  TO WORK WITH THE SOUTHWEST,  FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT  DISTRICT AND THE FINDINGS FROM  ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT  STUDIES TO PROPERLY ASSESS THE  HEALTH OF OUR SPRINGS AND THE  LAND SURROUNDING IT. YOU MAY  ALSO WANT TO SURVEY THE  MANATEES TO DEPEND ON THE WARM  WATERS PHONE FROM THE SPRINGS  INTO MYAKKA CREEK FOR THEIR  WINTER SURVIVAL PLEASE HONOR  THE RESULT OF THE 2019 MASTER  PLAN AND THE 2023 SURVEY WHICH  BOTH CONCLUDED THAT THE  MAJORITY OF NORTH PORT  RESIDENTS WANT TO PRESERVE THE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS PARK IN  ONE PIECE BUT INTENSITY  DEVELOPMENT AND SOME  AMENITIES, THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS PARK CAN BECOME  INSPIRING ECHO DESTINATION  USING PHONY SPRINGS AND LAKE  WHEN AS AN EXAMPLE OF A  SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC-PRIVATE  PARTNERSHIP. YOU CAN ALSO  UTILIZE AND ON TAPE. RESOURCE  YOUR CONSTITUENTS FOR EXAMPLE,  OR PART RELATED FACEBOOK  GROUPS MANY PEOPLE ARE  OFFERING CONCRETE WAYS ON HOW  TO RESTORE OUR SPRINGS AND  FIND WAYS TO OBTAIN FUNDING  SUCH ESTABLISHED THE SPRINGS  HAS AN OUTSTANDING FLORIDA  SPRING IMMEDIATELY RAISE  IMPACT FEES NEW CONSTRUCTION  PAPER WATER AND SEWER FOR THE  SPRINGS THROUGH INFRASTRUCTURE  FUNDS PARTNER WITH A SOLAR  PANEL COMPANY TO SAVE MONEY ON  ELECTRICITY REQUEST MONEY SET  ASIDE ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE LANDS IN SARASOTA  COUNTY SO THE SPRINGS TO A  STATE FOR NATIONAL PARK AT A  FAIR PRICE INSTEAD OF KILLING  THE SPRINGS BY OVER  DEVELOPMENT. IN CONCLUSION  PLEASE MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES  FOR THE RESTORATION OF WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK. SO IT  DOES NOT DIE FROM  OVERDEVELOPMENT LIKE DENNIS,  BUT INSTEAD. I SUPPORT MOVING  FORWARD WITH THE 2019 FOR  MINERAL SPRINGS MASTER  PARKLAND I DO NOT SUPPORT  SELLING ANY OF THE SURROUNDING  ACREAGE I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE  KEPT COLD WHILE WE ARE WORKING  UP A IMPROVEMENTS ON THE MONEY  IS WE HAVE AVAILABLE WE SHOULD  REACH OUT TO COUNTY  COMMISSIONER RAIN BIRD TO  EXPLORE THE HAND HE HAS  EXTENDED PERHAPS WORK TOWARDS  MAKING IT A STATE PARK WHERE  IT WILL BE PRESERVED SHE ATE  IT. VARIOUS BLATT. I READ THE  REPORT CAREFULLY AND SUPPORT  DEMOLITION AND NEW  CONSTRUCTION EVEN USING THE  TERM HISTORICAL RESTORATION IS  RIDICULOUS THE 2 BUILDINGS AT  3,000 SQUARE-FOOT AND 7,000  SQUARE-FOOT RESPECTIVELY  ARNAUD STONE CAR. AIRPORT  DIRECTOR ADOPTABLE  ARCHITECTURAL MARVELS LET US  BE HONEST. IT IS ALL MOLD AND  SOME TILE WAS AND CRUMBLING  THE 2019 PLANNED BUILDING BUT  TO REPRODUCE THE INITIAL  ASPECT. ALSO IT IS VERY USEFUL  FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND  WHY SQUARE FOOTAGE SIMILAR TO  APPROXIMATELY 3 LARGE NORTH  PORT HOMES, CURRENTLY VALUED  AT 500,000 EACH SO TOTAL ONE  0.5 MILLION WILL COST MORE  THAN 9 MILLION TO BILL, UNLESS  THE PLAN IS TO USE CARRARA  MARBLE 2 OUT. THE BREAKDOWN  FOR THESE 2 BUILDINGS, THE  SURVEYS HAVE CLEARLY STATED  THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS THE  PSYCHODRAMA CAN BE RESTORED  LATER PLEASE STOP USING IT AS  MEANS TO INFLATE THE NUMBERS.  CRISTINA MINIMIZE THE  REDEVELOPMENT OF  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS AND KEEP  IT MORE ECO TOURISM  DESTINATION FOR PUBLIC TO  ENJOY THIS IS A HUGE PART OF  NORTH PORT'S NATURAL HISTORY.  THAT SUPPORTS THE LOCAL WANT  AROUND AN ECO SYSTEM INCLUDING  MANATEES BE OF THE MYAKKA  RIVER THE PROPOSE LOWER  INTENSITY REDEVELOPMENT PLAN  THAT I VOTED FOR IS ANYTHING  BUT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED  BETWEEN THE RESORT  PRESIDENTIAL BELT ABOUT OURS.  IT'S DISHEARTENING TO SAY WITH  ALL THAT IN MIND I ACTUALLY  NEEDS TO BE BETTER MAINTAIN TO  KEEP THE PUBLIC COMING BACK TO  EXPERIENCE ART. ELAINE ASYLUM.  I OPPOSE ANY FUTURE  DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS  CONDOMINIUMS OR ANY KIND OF  HOUSING TO BE BUILT PERSONS  DELAY SHUN ACCEPTABLE ONLY  IMPROVEMENTS TO PRESERVE AND  MAKE THE WARMING ON SPRING  ENJOY A LOT OF PORTABLE TO  LOCALS. FACE FACTS EXISTING  BUILDINGS TO PRESERVE THEM.  MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS AS THIS  FRAGILE HABITAT WILL CEASE TO  EXIST AND NORTH PORT WILL LOSE  ITS TOURIST DOLLARS. ALSO THE  GRASS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE  EVERY GRAHAM LAST LINK FOR  MINERAL SPRINGS NEEDS TO BE  REHABILITATED USING THE 2019  PLAN, THE CITIZENS HAVE PROVEN  TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THIS  PLAN IS WHAT IS NEEDED WE  WANTED AND EXPECTED ARE  GETTING AROUND THAT TIME TO  PRESERVE PROTECT AND DO WHAT  IS EXPECTED OF ELECTED  OFFICIALS LISTEN TO THE  CITIZENS. I LOOK FORWARD TO  THE 2019 PLANS ONLY BEING  CARRIED OUT. THEY MET  COMMISSIONERS THESE DO WHAT IS  RIGHT LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY  OR MENTAL STRAINS HAVE MEANT  CULTURAL HISTORICAL  ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND ECOLOGICAL  VALUE PLEASE PUT INTO PLACE  THE PLAN TO PRESERVE THE PARK  FOR PUBLIC ENJOYMENT AND  POSTERITY DO NOT DESTROY THE  TREES AND TORTOISES DO NOT  EXPLOIT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  PLACE HELPED CREATE THE  BEAUTIFUL PARK SO MANY IN THE  COMMUNITY WANT PLEASE CONNECT  THE PART OF THE LEGACY TRAIL  AS IT WAS INTENDED. PLEASE  HEED THE CONSISTENT INPUT FROM  THE COMMUNITY FOR MINIMAL  AMENITIES. POLISH NORTH PORT'S  JAM WHICH HAS BEEN NEGLECTED  FOR TOO LONG. YOU HAVE THE  POWER TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND  MAKE A COMMUNITY PROUD BUILD  ON NECESSARY AND WHICH WE ALL  WANT TO PUT BEHIND US. AND  PERSON I HAVE AND CARS ALL BY  ONLY NOW STILL A LOT JAMES  STRAUSSER.  >> IPM CARS I HAVE A FEW OF MY  OWN  >> I JUST WOULD LIKE NOT TO  HAVE PART OF SOLD OFF TO HELP  PAY FOR OTHER IN THE CITY  MAYBE HOPEFULLY THE CITY CAN  DO LIKE US AS CITIZENS, WE  HAVE TO DECIDE WITH OUR BUDGET  IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND  MONEY ON AND WHAT WE CAN WAIT  FOR THE FUTURE I DO THINK THAT  REPAIRING THAT THE SMALL  BUILDING FIRST, I GUESS WE CAN  CALL IT THE ADMISSION BUILDING  IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART AND  I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CYCLE  RAMA IT SINCE IT'S AN HISTORIC  BUILDING THERE REALLY AREN'T  THAT MANY BUT AND IT RELIES AS  MENUS FOR SO LONG. AND THEN  JOHN HARPER COULDN'T BE HERE  AND I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD  REITERATE SOME OF COMMENTS.  SOME OF NICE SPRINGS IN DEL  RAY HAD TO BE CLOSED TO  SWIMMING PERMANENTLY BECAUSE  OF THE DECREASE FLOW RATE.  FROM OVER DEVELOPMENT. AND THE  FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO WORK  WITH SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA WATER  MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND THE  FINDINGS OF FROM ANY  ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDIES  TO PROPERLY ASSESS THE HEALTH  OF OUR SPRINGS AND IT DID COME  UP WITH SOME IDEAS WITH MAYBE  RIGBY ESTABLISHING THE SPRINGS  AS AN OUTSTANDING FLORIDA  SPRINGS. IMMEDIATELY RAISE  IMPACT FEES ON NEW  CONSTRUCTION PAY FOR THE WATER  AND SEWER FOR THIS SPRING'S  FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS AND  PARTNER WITH A SOLAR PANEL  COMPANY AND ALSO I DID WANT TO  BRING UP THE MONEY STILL THERE  YOUR CIP SOMETHING IT WAS  THERE FOR THE 2023 TO 2027  FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. THERE'S  APPROXIMATELY $400,000 THAT  WAS EARMARKED FOR THE  TROPICAIRE BOULEVARD THAT WAS  THE BIKE PATH AND I KNOW IT  FUNDED TO GO THROUGH BUT  THERE'S STILL MONEY THAT'S  STILL LISTED IN THAT ON THE  CITY WEBSITE. THAT $400,000 IS  STILL AVAILABLE I KNOW THE  PEOPLE IN THE ESTATES AREA  MORE THAN HAPPY TO GET THAT UP  BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THAT'S  MY. THANK YOU. WAS NEXT.  FASTER.  >> ALL  >> TO AND AGAIN IF YOU WANTED  TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ANYTHING  ON THIS ITEM WHICH IS 6 A  PHASE ONE AND PHASE 2 SHOW YOU  HAVE A COMMENT CARD. HOW COOL  IS THIS. YOU GUYS GET TO BE A  PART OF SOMETHING THAT IS A  LEGACY THAT THAT CAN BE  CARRIED ON TAKE TAKING ON THIS  LAKE. I'M INSPIRED RIGHT NOW  AND I'M MOTIVATED LEARN MORE  ABOUT THIS AND TO SEE THESE  PROCESSES THEY GET TO TAKE  PLACE.  >> TO BE SITTING IN YOUR CHAIR  IS IS DEFINITELY AN HONOR YOU  GUYS THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING  THAT YOU DO SO FIRST LIKE GOT  TO COME IN. AND APPRECIATE YOU  GUYS FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE  DOING AND NOT KICKING THE CAN  DOWN THE ROAD. NOW WITH THAT  THERE'S A LOT OF CHALLENGES  THAT WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH  THIS IS BIG NEST THAT IT FEELS  LIKE TAKING ON AT THEY NOW  WANT TO POKE IT SO MUCH BUT WE  DO HAVE THE ABILITY. TO MAKE A  DECISION BUT MUCH RATHER NOT  SEE THE DECISION MADE TODAY  AND TO TAKE ALL THE RESOURCES  THAT YOU HAVE FIGURE OUT THE  BEST APPROPRIATE COURSE OF  ACTION. THESE BUILDINGS THAT  WERE TALKING ABOUT PHASE ONE A  B AND C THEY ARE ACTUALLY  TOPOGRAPHIC WILL ARIEL.  DESIGNED TO BE THE MIMICKING  OF THE SPRINGS THE CYCLE RAMA  IS THE SPRING ITSELF.  THINGS AND BE IS THE HOURGLASS  SHAPE. ALL OF THIS SPRING'S IN  THE CASE THERE'S A LOT HISTORY  THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT  OF WHERE THESE CAME FROM AND  WHY THEY SHOULD STILL BE PUT  ON HOLD SO TO SPEAK. NOW. WITH  THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF  RESOURCES THAT CAN TAKE PLACE  A LOT OF THE STUFF WAS 2 YEARS  AGO WHEN THESE WERE PROCESSED  SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT  THERE'S ENLIVENING SO TO SPEAK  OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED  IN PROTECTING THIS. THE  SPECIFICS I'VE HEARD I'VE MADE  LOTS OF NOTES SO I'M REALLY  JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.  SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS WERE  CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. BUT  THERE ARE ALSO OPEN TO THE  EMPLOYEES SO I'M NOT SURE IF  THAT CAN BE GENERATED INTO THE  REPORTS FROM THE STAFF. THE  OTHER THINGS THAT OCCURRED IS.  THE OTHER SPRINGS THAT WERE  MADE IN THE STATE PARKS OR NOT  WE ALSO ARE OKAY WITH THE SHOW  PARKING LOT AND SAND IT'S  ACTUALLY BETTER FOR THE  ENVIRONMENT THAN TO HAVE  EVERYTHING PAVED OVER. I THINK  THAT'S A VERY MUCH OF A BIG  DEAL. AND IS THESE ARE ALL  THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED  ONCE YOU GET TO SEE THE ACTUAL  COST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S  GOING TO COME OUT IN THESE  REPORTS AND THAT SHARES WITH  OTHERS. I MISS THE REPORT  MYSELF AS WELL SO I DIDN'T SEE  ALL THE WAY KNOW HOW THAT GOES  AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO  IS LIKE THE MANATEES RIGHT  THIS IS SO LITTLE THAT THE  FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE  COMMISSION HAS STRETCHED THE  RUNOFF AND WE HAVE MANATEES  ARE COMING IN BIRTHING MEETING  IN THIS AREA FROM THE SPRING  RUNOFF.  >> AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVEN'T  TOUCHED ON IT, BUT IT'S A HUGE  TOPIC AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO  SEE A MANATEE THERE'S A HIGH  INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE  IT'S A TYPE THE SPRINGS  CRYSTAL RIVER WORKING WATCHING  ALL THESE OTHER PLACES.  >> SO THE DEVELOPMENT AND  HOLDING OFF ON THOSE BUILDINGS  IS IMPORTANT.  ♪ ♪ >> THANK THANK YOU.  >> THIS AS IT SOAKS KITS. I  WANT THANK YOU I WISH WE  DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE  P 3 AND THEN WIND UP AT THIS  JUNCTURE WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.  YOU CAN SAVE A LOT OF TIME BUT  JUST LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE.  BUT THIS IS WHERE WE NOW. AND  THE 2019 PARK-LIKE PLAN IS  WHAT WE WANT. AND THAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN ONE WITH  THE BUILDINGS. THE SIMPLE THIS  METHODOLOGY IS WHAT'S BEST  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT  IN OUR COFFEE RIGHT NOW IT'S  LIMITED FUNDS. SO WE NEED TO  JUST DO WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET  THE SPRINGS IN A PROPER PLACE.  WE CAN THEN ACCOMMODATE. THE  NECESSITIES THAT WE NEED AND  THEN BRING IN ADDITIONAL  ACTIVITIES. ECO TOURISM TO  PROGRAMS THAT WE CAN DO ON THE  OTHER 6 TO 2 ACRES. HABITAT  FEELING THERE'S A LOT OF  THINGS WE COULD BE DOING TO  BRING IN ADDITIONAL PHONES  THAT WOULD THEN HELP US TO PUT  MONEY TOWARDS. BUT WE WANT TO  DO WITH PHASE 2. THE WHAT YOU  HAD SAID COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  AS FAR AS. ANYBODY CLOSE IN  THE DOOR. THAT'S BECAUSE THE  DRUG WAS NEVER OPENED BECAUSE  OF THE PACE, GRAY THERE ARE  PLENTY OF ORGANIZATIONS OUT  THAT THE FLORIDA SPRINGS. WELL  THAT'S WHERE PROGRAM WITH THE  EMERGENCY ACQUISITION PROGRAM.  WAITING LIST FOR YEARS. THEY  PUT 2 MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT  FUND EVERY SINGLE YEAR.  SITUATIONS JUST LIKE GRANTS.  THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF BAD  NEWS THAT WE CAN GO DOWN THAT  WAS IT MONEY. SO WHAT WE WANT  TO DO WITH PHASE ONE. SO IF  ONLY HAVE 8 MILLION DOLLARS.  LET'S SAY WE CAN ONLY DO HALF  THE BUILDING LET'S DO IT. TO  ME IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO  THAT THE HISTORICAL RENOVATION  BECAUSE THAT'S JUST. GOING TO  BE PHENOMENAL AMOUNT MONEY.  WELL AS JAMES WAS SAYING  BUILDINGS WERE DESIGNED  SPECIFICALLY TO MEND SPRINGS.  SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY  KIND OF RENOVATION OR IF WE'RE  GOING TO JUST DEMOLISHED IN  NEW BUILDINGS. AND WE SHOULD  DO IT SOMEWHAT WITH THE SAME.  SO ON THAT. YOU BUT WE ALSO  ANOTHER THING IS IS A BUILDING  UP THE STREET NEXT TO THE VETS  NOW BUILDING. CAN BE USED. AS  A MUSEUM OR THE LIMITED  MISSION CENTER. THE WHOLE HE'S  AN AVENUE. WE CAN UTILIZE AND  WHEN WHEN I WAS THERE WE WERE  GOING TO BRING IN THE WATER  AND SEWER LINES TO TREE ON  PHONE. WE GOING TO BRING IT  DOWN ORTIZ THAT WAS COMING  DOWN TREE ON FILE. THIS  WASTEWATER EXPANSION GRANTS  THAT WERE JUST TURNED AWAY 1.5  MILLION. SO WE CAN DO IT,  LET'S JUST TAKE A BREATH SINCE  WE'RE AT THIS JUNCTION NOW.  AND LET'S LOOK AT ALL OF OUR  OPTIONS, LET'S GET THE COST  FACTORS IN PLACE BEFORE WE  MAKE ANY KIND DECISION LONG  TERM WHAT CAN YOU DO. THANK  YOU FOR EMOTION.  GET A WORKOUT  TODAY. I WOULD BE A BROKEN  RIGHT FRONT.  >> I STILL FIRMLY BELIEVES  THAT THE ISSUE WARMING THOUGH  SPRING SHOULD GO TO A  REFERENDUM OF THE CITIZENS. TO  DETERMINE WHETHER THEY WANT TO  EXPEND MORE MONEY. THERE.  SPRINGS. PROTECT. I DON'T CARE  HOW YOU SEPARATED. THAT WAS  BUT FOR ENTIRE 81 ACRES AS A  CITY PARK. ALSO BELIEVE THAT  PUTTING IT TO A REFERENDUM  WITH SABAN AWFUL LOT OF THAT  AGGRAVATION. ONE OF THINGS  BRINGS IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE  NEXT THURSDAY'S AGENDA YOU'LL  BE DISCUSSING ITEMS TO PLACE  THE REFERENDUM. I THINK YOU  WOULD BE REMISSED NOT  CONSIDERING AT LEAST A  DISCUSSION ON PUTTING THIS A  PLACE. REFERENDUM. BECAUSE NOT  TO DO SO MAY HAVE IMPACT ON  OTHER REFERENDUMS YOU WISH TO  PLACE ON THE BALLOT. THAT'S  ABOUT ALL I SAY THAT. IT'S  BEEN A LONG DAY AND THANK YOU  VERY  >> THAT'S  >> ALL OK SO I WILL ENTERTAIN  MEANT. COMMISSIONER LANGDON  YEAH PHASE GIVE IT A TO  REQUEST CITY MANAGER TO WORK  WITH STAFF AND BANK BRING BACK  A PROPOSAL FOR OPTION 3.  >> WHICH IS THE DEMOLITION OF  THE EXISTING BUILDINGS  KEEPING. CYCLE PANELS AS  APPROPRIATE. CONSTRUCTING A  SIMPLE STRUCTURE FOR  ADMISSIONS WITH OUTSIDE  SHOWERS AND FLUSHABLE TOILETS  TO BRING WATER AND SEWER. TO  THE IMMEDIATE AREA. AND ALSO  WHAT IT WOULD COST TO IT  WHAT'S THE INCREMENTAL COST OF  BRINGING IT DOWN TO TAMMY AND  PARKING IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE  OVERALL GOAL OF STAYING WITHIN  0.5 MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET.  VERY  >> TO THINK THAT KERRY WON THE  OPTION 3 THAT YOU MENTIONED IF  SOMEONE LIVING IN THIS  ABSOLUTELY OPTION WHILE I'M  READING THE SWEET PARKMAN  RIGHT REDESIGN OKAY AND ONE  YET AND THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT  TOPIC 3 IN. THINK YOU AND ALSO  AS WE ARE ASKING YOU TO GO ON  PATH WE WOULD ABOUT MOTION ON.  THERE'S A COST TO GO INTO THAT  THAT WAY YOU KNOW GETTING  RE-ENGAGE IN THE ENGINEER, IT  WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THAT  MODEL WHICH DOESN'T EXIST  BASED ON THE QUESTIONS OF  UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING OF  THAT WANT TO DO. SO WE WILL  LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT WOULD  INCLUDE BEST GOING IN AND  GETTING THOSE THINGS GOT AND  THAT SHOULD BE A LINE ITEM.  >> YET TO SECURE OPTION 3  INCLUDE THE CYCLE RAMA.  >> WE'RE INCLUDING THAT  BUILDING. I HEAR THAT FOR  DEMOLITION YES, SAVING SOME OF  THE PAN SOUTH FOR RESTORATION  PRESIDENT SOME TIME BUILDING  OKAY, THANK US.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WITH THAT  INCLUDE ENGAGING THE SERVICES  MY WHOLE OR GORE. WHAT DOES  NOT HAVE ADD TO IT COSTS TO  DEVELOP PLAN CORRECT. THAT'S A  K. WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE WANT  THAT REPEAT WILL COME UP A  COMMISSION LANGUAGE MY  CONSTITUENTS AND CHANGES TO  IT, THANKS. THAT WE REQUEST  CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH  STAFF TO BRING BACK A PROPOSAL  FOR OPTION, ONE. AND THE STAFF  SUMMARY WHICH INCLUDES AND  DEMOLITION OF ALL 3 BUILDINGS,  A B AND C. MAINTAINING ARE  KEEPING SOME OF THE PANELS AND  THE CYCLE RAMA FOR A FUTURE  RESTORATION. CONSTRUCTION OF A  SIMPLE ADMISSIONS STRUCTURE.  THAT WOULD HAVE FLUSHABLE  TOILETS AND THEN OUTSIDE  SHOWER OR SHOWERS. BRINGING  WATER AND SEWER TO THE  IMMEDIATE SPRINGS.  >> BUT THE SUBTEXT OF WHAT'S  THE ADDITIONAL COST OF  BRINGING IT DOWN TO CHAMPION  ME.  >> AND THEN RECOMMENDED  PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. AND THE  COST TO DEVELOP A PLAN. NEED A  SECOND OF A SECOND ALL RIGHT.  SO WE HAVE A MOTION AS STATED  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON. AND  SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR OAKS. A  TOO MUCH. OH I'M SORRY I JUST  SAW SOMETHING ON THERE.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I WAS NOT THE MOTION MAKER  OR SECOND OR SO IF YOU WANT TO  LET THEM SPEAK FIRST DOOR.  >> MY ONLY QUESTION I RAISE  COMMISSIONER SAYS 2 WE ALSO  WOULD WE ALSO WANT TO AMEND  OCEAN POSSIBLY TO INCLUDE. A  SET OF PERFORMANCE. INCOME AND  EXPENSE OF OPERATION. I MEAN  OR IS SET YOU KNOW ON THE 18  ACRE SOURCE AT SOMETHING WE  JUST WANT TO ENTERTAIN  SEPARATELY. I WANT TO MAKE  THIS MOTION ANY MORE  CONVOLUTED THAN ALREADY IS.  >> IF I MAY SPEAK MAYOR, I  WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SHOW THAT  HAS A GROUND, WITH YOU WE DO  HAVE A PRO FORMA GOOD WITH  KIND OF WHAT IT'S ALL I OKAY,  I'M GOOD WITH THE MOTION. I  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH.  >> I HESITATE TO SUPPORT THIS  MOTION BECAUSE IT'S TOO.  DEMOLISH ALL 3 OF THE  BUILDINGS. I REALLY THOUGHT WE  GOING TO EXPLORE ALL OPTIONS  BEFORE WE DID THAT AND THE  MOTION IS TO HAVE STAFF COME  BACK WITH THE PROPOSAL TO  DEMOLISH ALL THE BUILDINGS.  WELL THEN YOU CAN TAKE AWAY.  THE IDEA OF HAVING A STATE  PARK OR NATIONAL PARK ARE  POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE  CONSERVANCY ARE BOTH CLOSED  COMMUNITY FOUNDATION AT. OTHER  RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.  I CAN'T SUPPORT BECAUSE YOURS  STICKING TO ONE OPTION. NOT  LEAVING THE DOORS OPEN FOR  OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. IT WAS  NOBODY CAME FORWARD WELL IF  THIS IS THE PATH YOU'RE GOING  TO TAKE NOBODY'S GOING COME  FORWARD AGAIN. SO I CAN  SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT  STATED FOR THOSE REASONS. VICE  MAYOR.  >> AND RESPONSE ENSURE BELL I  IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY WHEN  THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED  EARLIER ON. TO COME BACK.  ASK OK IF THIS MOTION IS MADE  AND AND APPROVED BY THE  COMMISH. I CORRECT THIS IT  WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 6  MONTHS. BEFORE WE EVEN SEE IT  SO WOULD NOT FORCE THAT I  MEAN.  >> YOU KNOW I KNOW THIS WILL  NOT TAKE 6 MONTHS, OKAY, IT  WILL NOT BE THAT WILL KNOW HOW  LONG IT WILL BE BUT WE'RE NOT  GOING CITY COMMITS A SIX-TIME  WINDOW. OKAY I DON'T HAVE PUT  SO LET'S SAY IT TAKES 3 MONTHS  I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS.  >> THERE'S NOTHING TO PROVE  ANYONE. FROM REACHING OUT TO  ANY ORGANIZATION ANYWHERE.  ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION  ON THIS OR TO INSTRUCT THE  CITY. TO EXPEND RESOURCES AND  ENERGY TO GO EXPLORE THOSE WE  COULD ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION.  BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES  SENSE TO IT. 2, 2,  NOT TAKE ANY ACTION, SIMPLE  WAY TO SIT AROUND WAITING FOR  SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING IF WE  WANT TO INSTRUCT AS A SEPARATE  MOTION CITY TO CONCURRENT WITH  OUT AND INVESTIGATE WHETHER OR  NOT THE STATE WANTS TO MAKE IT  A PARK WHERE SOME CONSERVATION  GROUP WANTS PUT MILLIONS OF  DOLLARS AND OR WHY WANT TO  COME IN AND BUILD TO AT THE  2019 PLAN, I'M ALL GOOD WITH  THAT. BUT THE LAST THING I'D  WANT TO SEE IS US. NOT MOVING  FORWARD ON THIS MOTION AT THIS  TIME I JUST DON'T THINK.  THERE'S ANY REASON MOST CAN BE  DONE AT THE SAME TIME. AND  THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING  LIKELY ARE WE SAYING.  >> YOU WILL GIVE US DIRECTION  TO GO PATHWAY BUT THE PROJECT  AS I SAID EARLIER. VOICES THAT  WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR VERY WELL  VERY WELL ORGANIZED ENCOURAGE  THEM TO GO IN THE PATHWAY THAT  IT ALREADY DONE SO AND IF THEY  FEEL LIKE THEY CAN DO IT  BETTER IN ORDER FOR IT WE  SHOULD ENCOURAGE THAT WHEN WE  COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR  PROPOSAL FOR THE PATH THAT YOU  PUT IT ON AND MAYBE THEY'LL  HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU FOR  THE STATE MORE OR FUNDING  ONGOING ITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE  SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS.  >> ALL MUCH.  >> HENDRIE STATE THIS WE'RE  JUST GETTING COSTS WE ARE NOT  MAKING ANY ACTION AND HAIR AND  ANYTHING DOWN. IN THAT TIME  SPAN BUT THE ONLY THING I MAY  SUGGEST IS WHEN YOU GET THE  SPECTATORS AND YOU GET BACK TO  US. GIVE SPENT YEARS IN A  BUILDING BY BUILDING COST FOR  DEMOLITION AND LET'S SAY IT I  WANT TO RAM FOR THE CYCLE  RAMAH AND WE CHOOSE NOT TO DO  THAT RIGHT NOW. BUILDING A  COULD BE A MILLION DOLLARS  BUILDING BE COULD BE A MILLION  DOLLARS. GIVE US A BREAKDOWN,  I KNOW THEY'RE OUTSIDE TO HAVE  A MALDEN IT'S GOING TO BE ONE  THING. GET THIS DONE IN ONE  SHOT, BUT IF WE LEFT SOME  WHAT'S EACH INDIVIDUAL  BUILDING GOING TO PAY AND I  THINK THAT'S A SIMPLE ASK HIM.  I AGAIN NOTHING'S GOING TO GET  DONE UNTIL WE GET THE  INSPECTORS. SO I SUPPORT THIS  MOTION. OKAY COMMISSIONER NOW,  YEAH.  >> WHAT IF THE NUMBERS COME  BACK AND SAY HEY INSTEAD OF  DEMOLISHING BUILDING 2. WE CAN  REFURBISH IT WE DON'T HAVE  THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE  MOTION AND THIS IS AGAIN WORDS  MATTER. MOTION IS TO DEMOLISH  ALL THE BUILDINGS. SO THEY'RE  NOT GOING TO BE EXPLORING THE  POSSIBILITY OF KEEPING A  BUILDING OR 2 OR 3 AND GIVING  US. THE. POTENTIAL FACTS OF.  IF YOU DO THIS THIS IS HOW  MUCH IS SPENT PASTA FEW  REFURBISH THIS IS HOW MUCH  IT'S GOING TO COST THIS MOTION  IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE  BUILDINGS.  >> THE INFORMATION  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  REPRESENTED DESIGN OR IN THE  BACKUP RIGHT NOW HE HAS THE  COST IN THEIR PURSE WITH PUTIN  THE PRICE. SO IF YOU DECIDE TO  KEEP WAR 2 OR 3 OF THE  BUILDING. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT  INDIVIDUAL PRICES WROTE THAT  WE HAVE THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT  PART.  >> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH  SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BUILDING SO  HOW CAN THE REPORT. WHICH  REPORT THIS THE SWEET ALL LAID  OUT ON I JUST WANT THEN WHY  ARE HAVING ACTION WANT TO  DEMOLISH  >> SORRY I'M I'M NOT  SUPPORTING THE MOTION IS  SENDING THE MESSAGE TO THE  MEDIA TO THE CITIZENS TO THE  OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED.  >> THIS IS WHAT THE COMMISSION  WANTS TO DO TO DEMOLISH ALL  THE BUILDINGS. AND YES WE'RE  GETTING INFORMATION BUT THAT'S  INFORMATION YOU'RE ASKING FOR  IS TO DEMOLISH ALL THE  BUILDINGS. YOU'RE NOT ASKING  TO EXPLORE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES  SO NOBODY ELSE IS GOING TO  STEP UP AND COME FORWARD  BECAUSE THE COMMISSION THE  PEOPLE THAT MAKE THE DECISIONS  HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN THAT WE  WANT TO DEMOLISH THE  BUILDINGS. VICE MAYOR.  >> ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE SAID IS  THAT WE'D LIKE STAFF TO COME  BACK WITH A. PHASE ONE PLAN  THAT INCLUDES THIS. THE  INFORMATION ALREADY SUPPLIED  TO COMMISSION MADE IT VERY  CLEAR THAT THE RESTORATION OF  ANY OF THESE BUILDINGS, WE'LL  SO ASTRONOMICAL. THAT THE CITY  DOES NOT HAVE TO WEAR WITH  WILL FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO  SO WITHOUT USING CITIZENS TAX  DOLLARS WHICH. FAVOR OF WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT 18 TO 20 MILLION  DOLLARS PLUS 3 STUART THESE  BUILDINGS THAT CAN'T BE ANY  CLEARER THAN THAT. I MEAN WE  DON'T NEED ASK. ANYBODY MORE  THAN WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S  THAT SIMPLE NOW IF SOMEBODY IS  1 WITH ANOTHER 10 OR  15 MILLION DOLLARS. WE STORIES  BUILDINGS, WORLD LEADERS BUT  NOBODY'S DOING THAT AND IF YOU  WANT TO SIT AROUND AND HOPE  THAT SOMEONE IS GOING OUT  THERE AND SAY HEY COULD YOU  PUT 10 OR 15 MILLION DOLLARS  INTO THIS. IT ACTUALLY BLEW  LOOK AT THIS HE COULD NOT MAKE  THE NUMBERS WORK TO PUT HIS  CONTRIBUTION AND THAT WAS WITH  THE IDEA OF BUILDING  CONDOMINIUMS AND A HOTEL ON  TOP OF SHOW. IT'S JUST NOT  REALISTIC. IT IS ABSURD TO  THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO STEP  UP WITH 10 TO 15 MILLION  DOLLARS TO DO ANYTHING TO  RESTART BUILDINGS. WE'RE  ASKING IS SUCH STAFF BRING  BACK THE PLAN THIS IS THE  DIRECTION WE'RE GOING AND  AGAIN BY GOT A CITY MANAGER 7  EVERYONE ELSE IF ANYBODY'S GOT  A BETTER PLAN AND THEY GOT THE  MONEY TO BACK IT UP BRING  WE'RE ALL WE'RE HERE BRING  YOUR CHECKBOOK. OKAY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> US MOTION I HATE COMING  EXPERTS ALWAYS STILLS LIFE  UNDER A SO I'LL SIMPLY SAY  THEY OF THAT. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> THAT'S FOR WANT SEE IT SO.  >> CALLED THE QUESTIONNAIRE OK  THANK YOU ALL RIGHT, THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE. LET'S VOTE ON  THAT. AND THAT'S FOR THE  COMMISSIONER THANK ABBOTT SENT  AF FOR A REASON STATED.  REASONS I STATED ALL RIGHT  CLOSING THE DOOR. ALL RIGHT SO  WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE  SECOND NOT THAT CAN I MAKE A  MOTION. CAN YOU WHAT CAN IN  POLICE MAKE A MOTION FOR A  DEVELOPMENT KNOW WHAT.  >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION  TO DIRECT THE CITY CLERK MAYBE  IT'S THE CITY MANAGER I DON'T  KNOW TO INCLUDE THE DOCUMENTS  THAT WE REFERENCED DURING  TODAY'S DISCUSSION ABOUT  PHASE, ONE. THE  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS APPRAISAL  AND THE CB ARE YOU REAL ESTATE  PROPOSAL ANALYSIS TO BE  INCLUDED IN THE BACKUP  MATERIALS. IT WAS ONLY  INCLUDED AS A LINK. BUT IF YOU  BREAK DOWN THESE 2 IT SHOULD  BE SHAREABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR  THEM TO THAT IN FOR THEM TO  SEE. WHAT WE WERE TALKING  ABOUT. I THINK DID KNOW BREAKS  DOWN IT'S NOT THE BACKUP  MATERIAL, SITTING IN OPEN TO  THE DIRECT ARE BEING WHAT DO  WE DO IT IT'S NOT A CATCH TO  THE CBRE REPORT RIGHT.  >> THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED SO.  THOSE ARE LARGER FILES WE NEED  TO. OKAY. SO MY MOTION IS.  >> IS TO INSTRUCT THE CITY  CLERK OR CITY MANAGER WHO EVER  TO ADD THE INDIVIDUAL  DOCUMENTS FOR THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS APPRAISAL AND THE CB  ARE REAL ESTATE PROPOSAL IN  DALLAS TO THE BACKUP MATERIAL  FOR THE CITIZENS ABILITY TO  VIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS WE TALKED  ABOUT. SECOND THAT. THE MOTION  WAS MADE. YES.  >> MOTION WAS MADE TO YOU WANT  TO RESTATE THAT. THINK ARE  REALLY HAVE THAT.  >> DIRECT THE CITY CLERK TO  INCLUDE THE DOCUMENTS  REFERENCED IN THE BACKUP  MATERIAL, THE WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS APPRAISAL AND THE CBR  REAL ESTATE ANNOUNCED  DOCUMENTS TO THAT AGENDA  BACKUP OKAY, MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SECONDED  BY VICE MAYOR STOKES.  >> NO OTHER ESPECIALLY MY  VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.  ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S  MOVE TO THE SECOND PART OF  THIS ITEM WHICH IS CONCERNING  PHASE 2. OKAY SO FACE TOO.  THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION  DEVELOPING A PORTION OF THAT  CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED 60 ACRES  IN A MANNER THAT DOES NOT  PLACE A BURDEN ON THE  TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF PORT.  AND DOES NOT GOING TO DO BILLY  IMPACT THE SPRINGS ART  SURROUNDING ECOSYSTEM. GIVEN  THAT PHASE 2 INITIATIVES ARE  CURRENTLY UNFUNDED IT'S  RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY  REVISIT OPPORTUNITIES TO  PARTNER WITH INTERESTED  ENTITIES TO MEET ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT THIS AREA. SEVERAL  PATHWAYS FORWARD  REPRESENTATIVE COMMISSION  DURING THE JULY 10TH 2023.  CITY COMMISSION MEETING  INCLUDING THE PUBLIC PRIVATE  PARTNERSHIP WHICH WAS PURSUED  FROM JULY 23 TO APRIL 24.  WORKING WITH THE SEMINOLE  TRIBE STATE PARK SYSTEM OR  NATURE CONSERVANCY PURSUING  OUTSTANDING FLORIDA SPRINGS  AND IMPLEMENTING THE 2019  MASTERPLAN THOSE ARE ALL PART  OF THAT DISCUSSION. FROM  STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE, THE FIRST  STEP IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE  60 WE RECOMMEND PRIORITIZING  LEGACY TRAIL EXTENSION IN  CREATING A NEW TRAILHEAD OR  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK THAT WILL  ATTRACT TOURISM TO THE AREA  EXPAND QUALITY OF LIFE  AMENITIES AND PROMOTE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS BROUGHT  FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION. I  BELIEVE MARCH OF 20 22 AND AT  THAT TIME THAT PROJECT COST IS  ESTIMATED AT 4.5 MILLION  DOLLARS. THERE LIKE I SAID  THERE'S NO FUNDING RIGHT NOW  FOR HAS BEEN PUT IN THE FUTURE  SURTAX BELIEVE IT'S ME 30 TO  34 INTERESTS OR TAX. WITH THAT  I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY  VICE MAYOR.  >> HAS CITY STAFF REACHED OUT  ALL THE LEGACY TRAIL AND  CHARLES HYNES ORGANIZATION  BECAUSE OR AND OR THE COUNTY  AS WELL BECAUSE CONVERSATIONS  WITH COMMISSIONER GOT SOME  GOOD. I HAVE BEEN HEARING EVER  SINCE WE DID THE RIBBON  CUTTING OVER THERE THE END  PRICE. WHERE THE BRIDGE WAS  PUT IN THERE ON THE LEGACY  TRAIL. I HAVE BEEN HEARD I'VE  BEEN HERE IN THAT COUNTY AND  THESE GROUPS HAVE MONEY WE  OWNED THE LAND SO BY GOLLY WE  OUGHT TO CONTRIBUTE TO LAND  AND THAT 4 AND A HALF MILLION  WHICH PROBABLY 6 MILLION BE  PUT UP BY EVERYBODY ELSE SO IT  COST OUR TAXPAYERS. ONE GUY I  GOT CHARLES ANYBODY COULD  RAISE THAT MONEY HE CAN.  >> SO YES STAFF MISTER HYNES  WE'VE ALSO MET WITH SARASOTA  COUNTY PARKS, RECREATION AND  NATURAL RESOURCES.  >> E ONE MILE CONNECTION FROM  ME EXISTING NORTH PORT  CONNECTOR BRIDGE TO THE WAR  MOST BEEN PROPERTY. THAT HAS  BEEN DESIGNED. IT'S NOT FUND.  I CLARIFIED THAT LAST THE IN  DISCUSSION WITH MISTER HYNES  HE SAYS THAT THERE ARE SOME  INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WOULD  PRIVATE FUNDING AS WELL AS NOT  FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. I  DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING  THAT SAYS. HERE'S A COMMITMENT  TO FUNDING THIS  >> AND AT THIS TIME IS THE  HEIGHT MADE IT CLEAR THAT OUR  MONEY IS ANTICIPATED TO  CONTRIBUTE TO OUTCOME. AND  THIS IS IN THE OUT NEEDS TO BE  MOVED UP. EARLIER YEAR.  >> WELL PERHAPS IN CASH  COMPENSATION RIGHT.  >> MOVING OBVIOUSLY WE STOP 3.  SO. YOU KNOW YOU KNOW I'VE  MORE IN THE WAY OF COMMENTS  HERE I PERSONALLY AS A  COMMISSION TO NOT SUPPORT  SELLING ANY PORTION OF THE 80  ACRES FOR ANY I BELIEVE THIS  ACREAGE PART OF OUR CITY. IN  THE WORST CASE. IT'S SAD TO  SEE IT WAS IT WOULD BETTER  THAN SELLECK SELLING LAND ONCE  THIS LAND IS SOLD ANYBODY.  ESPECIALLY A POTENTIAL  DEVELOPER. 2 YEAR AND A HALF  AS A COMMISSIONER HAS LED ME  TO BELIEVE THAT WORKING  THROUGH EITHER THE EXISTING OR  THE FUTURE ULDC AND THE COMP  PLAN ALLOWS DEVELOPERS PRETTY  MUCH TOO. WHATEVER THEY'RE  LEGALLY ALLOWED TO DO AND THE  CITY. IF THEY TRIED TO STOP IT  WOULD FIND THEMSELVES AND ALL  KINDS OF LEGAL BATTLES SO  PERSONALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM  NOT MAKING THAT LAND  AVAILABLE. AND IF SOMEONE WANT  TO ENTER INTO A LONG I'M GOOD  WITH TO DEVELOP ANYTHING I  WOULD NEVER VOTED TO LET  ASHLEY BLEU BITE AT 60 ACRES.  AND I AND I WOULD NOT SUPPORT  ANYBODY BUYING. BECAME  CONSERVATION LAND THAT'S OF  THE COMMISSION WANTED TO DO  SHE NEVER BE BUILT ON I'M GOOD  WITH THAT BUT I DO BELIEVE  THAT 60 ACRES CAN PROVIDE AN  OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS  AND THIS CITY. LIKE  ENVIRONMENT WITH SOME LIMITED.  REVENUE PRODUCING DEVELOPMENT.  I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT BUT  IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN STILL  PROTECT THE SPRINGS, WHETHER  IT'S TO 2019 PLAN OR SOMETHING  IN BETWEEN THE REALITY IS THAT  THIS IS THE PERFECT  OPPORTUNITY ANYONE OUT THERE  AND IDEA. THAT THEY CAN PUT  INTO A FORMAL PLAN AND THE  MONEY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE  THAT 2019 PLAN YOU SHOW ME AND  BRING ME SOMEBODY WEST OF  FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL AND CAN  SHOW THAT THEY CAN MAKE THAT  INVESTMENT AND CREATE AN AUTO  I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR  THEM ALL YOURS. I DON'T KNOW  THAT THAT'S THE CASE. YOU KNOW  I I REALLY DO THINK IT'S A  GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY  AND EVERYBODY TO TAKE A LOOK  AT WHAT RESOURCES ARE OUT  THERE FOR THE 60 I WOULD NOT  BE IN FAVOR OF. JUMPING  THROUGH HOOPS TO DO ANYTHING  WITH IT IN IN TILL. PHASE ONE  IS IS ADDRESSED SO YOU KNOW  AGAIN AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T  INVOLVE SELLING THAT WHEN I'M  KINDA. HERE WITH OPEN EYES AND  YEARS. OF SOON ALRIGHT.  >> AND AND COMMISSIONER MINE  AND I'M SORRY BUT YOU ARE VICE  MAYOR.  >> BUT FOR ONCE I'VE SOMETHING  DIFFERENT SO  >> JUST JUST FOR THE RECORD  BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN TODAY'S  MEETING AND 2019 THAT MASTER  PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN  2019. IT'S JUST NOT  ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE  CITY TO UNDERTAKE. IT'S A HUGE  PROPERTY. THERE ARE ALL KINDS  OF STRUCTURES AND THEN IT  NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, SO I  GUESS I I DO AGREE WITH VICE  MAYOR'S COMMENTS RELATIVE TO  THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY  IS WE NEVER GOT THE  OPPORTUNITY AS A BODY TO  DISCUSS THAT P 3 PROPOSAL AND  I FOR ONE CAN TELL YOU THERE  WERE ASPECTS OF THAT THAT I  LIKED AND THEY WERE ASPECTS OF  THAT THAT I DIDN'T LIKE AND  PARTICULAR. THE CONDO COMPLEX  WAS OFF THE CHARTS FOR ME I I  NEVER WOULD HAVE APPROVED THE  PLAN WITH THAT LEVEL DENSITY  INVOLVED IN IT SO I JUST WANT  TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE NEVER  GOT TO PUBLIC WHEN OFFICIALLY  WEIGH IN ON THAT PLAN. SO  HOPEFULLY THAT MIGHT CALM  PEOPLE DOWN A LITTLE BIT AT  AND TERMS OF RECOGNIZING THAT  WHAT WAS ON PAPER IN THAT  PROPOSAL DID NOT NECESSARILY  LINE UP CERTAINLY NOT TO WHAT  I WAS THINKING AND I WOULD  ASSUME NOT WHAT MY OTHER  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WITH  THINKING BECAUSE AGAIN WE  NEVER DISCUSSED. I ALSO.  >> WANT TO REITERATE A COMMENT  I MADE AT AN EARLIER MEETING.  >> ABOUT THE 60 ACRES. I  WALKED THAT PROPERTY. WHAT  SOME LOCAL CONSERVATIONIST AND  A REPRESENTATIVE FISH AND  WILDLIFE. AND WE DID THAT WALK  2 THAT THE PRIMARY REASON FOR  THAT WALK WAS TO SEE IF THERE  WAS ANY SCRUB JAY HABITAT  EVIDENTLY AND. 2005 A LITTLE  FUZZY ON THE DATES PEOPLE HAD  OBSERVED SCRUB JAY ACTIVITY ON  THAT PROPERTY. WE WALKED  THROUGH IT WE DID SEE AN AREA  THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUT THE  COMMENT MADE BY THE AGENT FROM  FISH AND WILDLIFE WAS THAT  CLEARLY THE PROPERTY HAD NEVER  BEEN MAINTAINED FOR HABITAT  AND IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT  INVESTMENT. RE STORE IT AS  SCRUB JAY HABITAT. MY  OBSERVATION AND I THINK WERE  SOME PUBLIC RECORDS ATTACHED.  TO EARLIER AGENDA ITEM I DON'T  KNOW THE DATE OFF THE TOP OF  MY HEAD. BUT THAT PROPERTY,  IT'S REALLY UNSAFE. IT HAS  BEEN A DUMPING GROUND OF  ILLEGAL DUMPING GROUND AND SO  DOES LEFTOVERS OF HOMELESS  ENCAMPMENTS THAT PEPPER THAT  PROPERTY. SO I JUST BRING THAT  UP BECAUSE I I WANT PEOPLE TO  UNDERSTAND AT THE CURRENT  STATE OF THAT 60 ACRES IS NOT  USABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC I  WOULD NOT I ONLY WENT BECAUSE  I WAS IN THE COMPANY OF 4  PEOPLE. AND A WOULD NEVER SAY  TO ANYONE WALK THAT PROPERTY  ON YOUR OWN IT WOULD NOT BE  SAFE. WE DID HAVE AN  ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT  COMPLETED. IMPACT REPORT AND  YES, THEY WERE MANY MANY  ACTIVE. GOPHER TORTOISE  IDENTIFIED AND THEY WERE ALL  MARKED. IT WAS SOME EVIDENCE  OF OF OTHER PROPERTIES UP OF  OTHER ANIMAL ACTIVITY. BUT  THERE WASN'T ANY NESTING OR.  AS OTHER. ANIMALS ACTUALLY  MAKING A HOME IN THAT  PROPERTY. SO I I JUST WANTED  TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD  BECAUSE I I THINK SOME PEOPLE  MIGHT THINK THAT AT A PROPERTY  THAT'S REALLY USED FOR  RECREATION TODAY. I CERTAINLY  WOULDN'T RECOMMEND ANYONE. I'M  USING THAT CURRENTS FOR  RECREATION. IT CAME UP EARLY  IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW  PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED THAT WE  NEVER COMMENT ON THE PUBLIC  COMMENT, BUT I'M GOING TO DO  IT, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT OLD  I THINK IT WAS A DANCE HALL  YEARS AGO. SOMEONE WITH WHO'S  BEEN HERE LONGER MIGHT BE ABLE  TO IDENTIFY THAT I THINK THE  IDEA OF MAKING THAT MUSEUM IS  GENIUS. I WOULD LOVE THAT I  HAVE NO IDEA THE CONDITION OF  THAT BUILDING OR WHAT IT WOULD  TAKE TO RESTORE IT. BUT I WANT  TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THAT  PARTICULAR BUILDING IS IN THE  COUNTY. IT'S NOT IN THE CITY.  SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE  CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE  OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM TO TO  BRING THAT FORWARD. SO MY  AGAIN MY MY ONLY. OTHER  COMMENT IS TOO. HAVE PEOPLE  CONSIDER. THAT IF WE CAN BRING  SOME GENTLE AND I KNOW THAT  TERM IS OPEN TO  INTERPRETATION. IF WE CAN  BRING SOME GENTLE DEVELOPMENT  TO THAT AREA. WHICH COULD  INCLUDE HOLISTIC HEALTH CENTER  OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL  OPPORTUNITIES I WOULD LOVE TO  SEE A BOTANICAL GARDEN. AARON  MYSELF WE COULD BRING SOME  LIGHT DEVELOPMENT TO THAT  PROPERTY AND REALLY MAKE IT A  DESTINATION THAT WE CAN BE  PROUD OF AS A COMMUNITY.  THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING  FOR NOT LOOKING FOR HIGH RISES  ARE ARE ANY OF BUT SOMETHING  THAT CAN PLAY OFF THE HEALTH  BENEFITS OF THE SPRINGS,  WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ATTRACT  WAR PARTICIPATION IN THE  SPRINGS BUT COULD TIE HIM TO  THAT. AND THEN ALSO GIVEN THE  FACT WE HAVE 2 HOSPITALS  COMING TO THE CITY. AND AND  MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OF RELATED  MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE BEING  BUILT FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE  TO. HAVE ALL OF THE PETA I'M  MAKING THIS UP TO HAVE  ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY SURGERY  HAPPEN WITHIN THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND THEN GO TO  THE SPRINGS TO RECUPERATE  WOULDN'T THAT JUST BE A  WONDERFUL WAY OF HONORING THAT  PROPERTIES SO AGAIN I I JUST  WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE  ALL HAVE REALLY HAD NOT MUCH  OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK  ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO  SEE. AND AND THE DOOR IS OPEN  FOR THAT. SO AT THIS YIELD MY  TOWN. I THANK YOU COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. I FEEL LIKE I'M IN  THE TWILIGHT SO. I'M SORRY THE  COMMISSION DID THAT WHAT THE P  3.  >> ENTAILED WITH THE CONDOS  AND THE RESORT AND THE HOT SUN  THE PUP IN THE ZIP LINING.  >> THE COMMISSION AGREED FOR  THE ONE TO TAKE THAT PLANT AND  START NEGOTIATIONS WITH WITH  THE P 3 AND 2 ANYWAYS THE  PALIN WAS ADMITTED IT FAILED  AND I.  >> CALL THAT AS DIVINE  INTERVENTION BECAUSE IT GIVES  US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESTART  AND RE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE  GOING TO DO WITH THIS PEOPLE  WITH PROPERTY. AS THE 60  ACRES.  >> THE MASTER PLAN. THE MASTER  PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE  COMMISSION I THE CITIZENS BY  THE COMMUNITY. I THE MEDIA. IT  HAS GONE THROUGH SO MUCH  SCRUTINY IN THE PAST FOR 5  YEARS.  >> THAT IT HAS.  >> PASSED THE MUSTER AS THIS  IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT. IT  HAS. ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SPOKE  ABOUT.  >> LITTLE PICNIC HIKING TRAILS  AND MUSEUM THE EVENT LAWN OF  THE.  >> IT HASN'T THERE. WHAT I  REALLY LOVED WAS WHEN  COMMISSIONER LANGDON CAME ON  BOARD AND SHE SAYS WE REALLY  NEED TO HAVE A RESTAURANT. NOT  A NOT A BIG FANCY RESTAURANT,  BUT JUST A SMALL RESTAURANT  AND I THINK IT WAS ABOUT THE  SAME LEGACY TRAIL WAS COMING  IN TOO. VOGUE. AT THAT POINT.  AND WE KIND OF THOUGHT HEY  THIS TO BE A GREAT LITTLE  OPPORTUNITY FOR STOP YOU KNOW  THE PEOPLE FROM LEGACY TRAIL  CAN STOP AT THIS LITTLE  RESTAURANT SIMILAR TO WHAT IS  OFF. RIVER ROAD. IT'S OWNED BY  THE COUNTY. AS A PLACE THEY  HAVE A GREAT OFF BRAD GRAB  SOMETHING TO DRINK MAYBE GET  THERE BY SCHOOL REPAIRED MAYBE  YOU KNOW RENT A BICYCLE THAT  THAT SMALL KIND OF IMPACT  WOULD BE PHENOMENAL TO HAVE  HERE. FOR I'M GOING BACK. MY  TWILIGHT ZONE. WHEN WE SAID  LET'S TALK ABOUT PHASE 2  BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THERE'S  COSTS INVOLVED. AFTER WE GET  DONE WITH PHASE. ONE. I IT'S  DEJA ALL OVER AGAIN. I WOULD  LOVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH  PHASE 2. BUT IT IS ONE  PREMATURE TOO GOING TO BE A  COST AND 3. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT  THE COMP CONVERSATIONS ARE  ABOUT LEGACY TRAIL WITH THE  COUNTY AND THE FRIENDS OF  LEGACY TRAIL AND ALL THOSE  OTHER PARTNERS THAT ARE OUT  THERE. AND WHAT THAT WOULD  LOOK LIKE WITH PHASE 2. WHILE  I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FAST  TRACK LEGACY TRAIL CONNECTION.  >> WE WE.  >> MY OPINION WE CAN'T FAST  TRACK IT. LIGHTNING SPEED.  WE'VE GOT TO DO THESE  BUILDINGS I SPOKE TO SOME OF  THE BUILDINGS. PHASE  >> AND THEN WORK ON THE  CONNECTION TO LEGACY TRAIL.  AND CITY MANAGER ALLUDED TO  YEAH, I'M SURE THAT THE COUNTY  AND FRIENDS OF LEGACY TRAILER  LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF A  FINANCIAL INPUT FROM THE CITY  BUT TO WHAT VICE MAYOR SAID WE  HAVE A THAT ABOUT. SO. I WOULD  LOVE TO SEE WHAT PLAN WOULD BE  WHAT IT CONSISTS OF A LEGACY  TRAIL TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY  FURTHER JUST DECISIONS  REGARDING LEGACY TRAIL.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER SO BUT  COMMISSION RIGHT NOW JUST SAID  IS TRUE AND THAT'S WHAT ASKING  TO DO OR WITH ONE SIDE OF  PHASE ONE WHICH IT WILL BE A  COST BASED ON WE HAVE TO LAST  THE OTHER SIDE THERE IS NO  COST TO THAT FOR US TO MEET  WITH TOP TIMES IN THE COUNTY  TO GET EVERYTHING LAID OUT AND  THEN YOU WILL DECIDE AT SOME  POINT IN TIME. IF YOU WANT TO  THE CURE 5 WE WERE PULL UP A  NOTHING USUALLY IN. WE'RE JUST  SAYING LET'S DO BOTH AT THE  SAME TIME BECAUSE MISTER HYNES  BUT I SPOKE TO HIM HE'S  ALREADY BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING  FOR US TO GET TO HIS SIDE OF  THE COIN CAN WE NOT ENGAGE THE  BULK OF THE SAME TIME AGO  FOLLOW-UP TO THAT.  >> COMMISSION GAVE DIRECTION  FOR YOU TO WORK WITH CHARLES  HYNES AND BRINGS BACK  SOMETHING SO WE'RE WE'RE KIND  OF IN MY OPINION WAITING FOR  THAT CONVERSATION AND BRINGING  BACK SOMETHING BECAUSE WE  ALREADY HAD THAT DISCUSSION  WHEN HE WAS HERE AT THE  MEETING AND GIVE THAT  DIRECTION TO WORK WITH THEM  AND BRING IT BACK. SO I THINK  WE'RE KIND OF IN A STALEMATE  SO.  >> NO WE'RE NOT WE'RE SEEING  IS THAT BEING YOU GET BREAK  AND BRING TELL YOU THAT'S WHAT  WE'RE GOING TO GO DO THAT  WE'RE GOING TALK WAS HEARD  THAT YOU CAN GET OUT LEAVE  ACT.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER EMERICH.  WITH THAT I LOOK AT THIS. THEY  WERE LOOKING AT 6062 ACRES. IF  NOTHING IS DONE WITH THAT AND  IT JUST SITS THERE THERE IS NO  GENERATION OF ANY TYPES OF  FUNDS COMING INTO THE CITY.  JUST SINCE. 2019 PLAN IS JUST  ON A PIECE OF PAPER RIGHT NOW  SPEND SITTING THERE FOR 5  YEARS. BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE  THE MONEY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH  THE 2019 PLAN. IT WILL  PROBABLY SIT THERE FOR ANOTHER  YEARS UNLESS THE SPRINGS GETS  OPEN AND GENERATES WINDFALL OF  MONEY TO WHERE WE CAN REINVEST  THAT AND TO THE 68 YEARS. SO  WHEN WE DID LOOK AT THE P 3 A  LITTLE DIFFERENT TYPES OF  STRUCTURES COMING I'M NOT  SAYING THAT. TODAY THAT WE  NEED THE CONDOS OR WHATEVER,  BUT THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS  A PLUS TO THE CITY THAT WE DID  NOT. IF WE HAD A BAND SHELL OR  WHATEVER THEY CALL IT LIKE AN  AMPITHEATER OUT THERE. THAT  WOULD DRAW TYPES OF PEOPLE  WORKING AS A PARTNERSHIP LIKE  THAT COULD ACTUALLY GENERATE  REVENUE THAT COULD BE PUT INTO  THE SPRINGS. LET'S SAY WHEN  THE NUMBERS COME BACK. WE'VE  GOT AND A HALF MILLION AND THE  NUMBERS COME OUT TO 12 AND A  HALF MILLION THAT PARTNERSHIP  COULD DIVVY UP THE OTHER  4 MILLION DOLLARS ON A LEASE  TYPE OPTION FOR THOSE LANDS. I  I'M NOT TRYING TO DISPUTE VICE  MAYOR AND WHAT HE'S SAYING  ABOUT NEVER SELLING THAT  PROJECT OR THAT LAND. BUT WE  DID HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ARE  SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE JUST  AS FINE WITH IT BEING SOLD TO  THE STATE. OK LET'S LOOK AT.  IT WAS SOLD TO THE STATE.  MARKET VALUE AT 16 MILLION. WE  TAKE 5 AND A HALF. FOR THE  SPARTANS. THEN THE HAT.  30 MILLION. THERE'S 3 MILLION  THAT WERE TO THE GOOD OR  PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE PUT THAT  BACK INTO THE SPRINGS. BUT  THAT PUTS US AUTOMATICALLY IN  THE BLACK GOING FORWARD COVERS  ALL OUR COSTS COVERS ALL OUR  BEST. THE STATE IS GOING TO  SIT THERE AND TAKE UP TO PAR.  STATE PARK. IT'S NOT ON OUR  BACKS ANYMORE. BUT IT'S BEEN  TAKEN CARE OF BY THEM. IT'S AN  OPTION. IT'S THANKS TO LOOK AT  GOING FORWARD. AND I AM AND  THEY WERE LOOKING AT  PARTNERSHIPS BUT I'M NOT  LOOKING INTO A PARTNERSHIP UP  TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE NEED  THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR A LONG  RUN. IT WOULD HAVE TO A LEASE  AND WHATEVER THOSE NUMBERS  COME BACK ON WHATEVER IT'S  WORTH AS ELISE PER YEAR. WE  MOVE FORWARD LOOKING TO SEE  WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AGAIN  WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION.  LET'S SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.  THERE COULD BE CONSERVANCY'S  OUT THERE THAT HAVE MONEY AND  SO THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO  THIS WHAT WE WANT TO HELP. I  WATCHED HIM PUT YOUR LITTLE TO  OUT THERE. WITH YOU. CAMPING  WOULD BE GREAT OUT THERE.  MAYOR EVEN SAID WE HAVE THOSE  LITTLE CABINS UP THERE SHE  WOULD LIKE TO STAY N. THAT'S  GREAT FOR THAT AREA. IT'S NOT  RISES. IT'S BACK TO LOW  IMPACT. BUT THERE'S GENERATING  SOME REVENUE. SO. I LOOK  FORWARD TO SEE WHAT SCOTLAND.  YOU KNOW. I SAID MAN OK I'M  NOT A.  >> MY $0.2 BEFORE WE GET A  SECOND ROUNDS. AND JUST TO  CLARIFY SOME THINGS THAT YOU  KNOW THIS THIS LAND WAS  ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. BACK IN  2000 THAT WAS A VERY  CONTENTIOUS ISSUE DOESN'T  OFFER PEOPLE REFER TO IT AS A.  OF THE PARK. IT WAS AND  EXTEND. AND IF I HAVE THIS  CORRECT IT THAT EFFECTIVELY  CENTER NUMBER 7 DIDN'T EXIST  BECAUSE THAT LAND WAS THE  COUNTY. SO IT WAS AN ATTIC  STAND JUST TO BE A PART AND IT  WAS A VERY CONTENTIOUS WHEN  THAT CAME LOTS OF MEETINGS NOT  EVEN IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE  IS BUILDING WASN'T EVEN HERE  YET THIS WAS AT THE OLD. CITY  HALL BUILDING. AND WE SOME OF  THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM AND  THIS GO GET THERE THEY REALLY  WANT TO SAY REMAIN AWAY. IT  WAS CLOSED, THEY DIDN'T WANT  TO SEE ANYTHING. HAPPENED TO I  ACTUALLY HOSTED ONE OF THE  ELDERS BECAUSE ALAN HALE. YOU  REMEMBER HOW I WOULD HANDLE  IT. HE WENT DOWN TO GET HIM  AND WE HAD A FEW HOURS BEFORE  THE MEETING SO I HOSTED HIM IN  ANY ANIMAL CHICKEN AND RICE  DINNER BEFORE HE CAME AND  SPOKE BEFORE THE COMMISSION  ABOUT THE SACRED LAND AND HOW  IT'S JUST SHOULD BE KEPT THE  WAY IT IS AND PEOPLE SHOULDN'T  EVEN BE PERMITTED TO BE IN  THERE. SO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY  WHY THAT MAN WAS ANNEX TO  BEGIN WITH. AND WHEN IT WAS  PURCHASED BY THE COUNTY AND  THE CITY AND 2010 IT WAS BANK  OWNED IT HAD GONE THROUGH TO  SUBSIDIZE PRIVATE OWNERS AFTER  SO THAT AND IT WENT INTO  BANKRUPTCY, I MEAN THAT THE  BANK TO BACK THE PROPERTY AND  THAT'S WHAT WAS SITTING I FOR  THE COUNTY AND CITY START  WORKING TOGETHER TO DO  SOMETHING THERE. AND THEN OF  COURSE WE KNOW THIS THAT WHEN  THE COUNTY BROUGHT BACK HUGE  DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S WHERE  WE'VE BROUGHT US TO THE CITY  BUYING THE WHOLE THING AND  HERE WE ARE TODAY. I'M LIKE  THIS. I LIKE TO SEE US  EXPLORE. SOME OPTIONS AND  AGAIN DOING THAT AT THE SAME  TIME THAT WE'RE DOING PHASE  ONE. IF THERE ARE FUNDING  OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE AND  WE'VE SAID THIS BEFORE. THOSE  FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES WOULD  HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THE  PAST 24 YEARS, BUT IF THEY'RE  OUT THERE AND. AND WE CAN GET  SOME GROUPS THAT COULD  ACTUALLY BRING SOMETHING TO  THE TABLE. THAT'S THAT'S FINE.  I DON'T SEE ANY ANY PROBLEM  WITH THAT. WHAT REALLY STRUCK  ME IN THIS AND THIS BACKUP WAS  THAT THIS PROJECT. FOR THE 60  ACRES IS CURRENTLY ON FUND IT.  YES, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING  ON THAT'S GOING TO PRODUCE  REVENUE IN ORDER TO CREATE ANY  AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THERE OTHER THAN  THE BASIC PHASE, ONE THAT WE  JUST. TALKED ABOUT. SO WE HAVE  TO DO SOMETHING THERE AND YES  62 ACRES. AND HAS NOT BEEN  MAINTAINED. AND THAT BRINGS ME  TO THINKING WHEN PEOPLE SAY  THE SPRINGS HAS BEEN MAKING  MONEY THAT'S BECAUSE IT. THE  RIGHT KIND OF MONEY HASN'T  BEEN USED TO MAINTAIN ITS SUCH  AS THOSE 60 ACRES, IT COSTS A  LOT TO MAINTAIN NATURAL  HABITAT BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT  THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND A  REPORT FROM SELECT COMMITTEE  NOT THAT LONG AGO THE  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  LAND. COMMITTEE AND THEY'RE AT  THE HALFWAY POINT WITH THE  MONEY THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING  FROM ALL OF US IF WE PAY I  THINK IT'S $0.25 ON A MILITARY  FOR MONEY THAT HALF THAT MONEY  IS GOING FOR MAINTAINING THE  LAND THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED  HALF IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR  NULAND AND THEY SAID OF COURSE  THE MAINTENANCE POSSIBLE  CONTINUE TO INCREASE UNTIL IT  GETS THE POINT WHERE THAT'S  ALL THAT MONEY IS GOING FOR  YOU AND WILL NOT BE PURCHASE  SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING  REDUCE IT PRODUCING REVENUE TO  EVEN TAKE CARE OF THAT NATURAL  AREA. AND AGAIN I DON'T RECALL  ANY GROUPS EVERY LEADING  SUBSTANTIAL GOING THROUGH  THERE ON A REGULAR WALKS  PROGRAMS. IN THAT 62 WOULD  LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THOSE  GROUPS COME FORWARD AND MAKE  SOME COMMITMENTS THAT THEY  WOULD DO THIS THIS WERE IF WE  WERE TO PROVIDE THIS OR  WHATEVER I LEFT IT TOO. TO  HEAR FROM THEM AND AGAIN AS  WE'RE PURSUING THIS THE ALL  THOSE OFFERS CAN COME FORWARD.  I THINK THAT'S MY $0.2 FOR  NOW. ON THAT. VICE MAYOR. JUST  LIKE THE REITERATE, I MEAN  2019 PLANETS ARE.  >> IT'S A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY  IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE THE  LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY THE  VOCAL VOICES HAVE SUPPORTED  AND ENDORSED AND NOW THAT  THERE'S NO ACTUALLY BLEW UP 3  FOR FOR UP MORE HIGH. HIGHLY  INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. I MEAN  IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR  THAT THE ISSUE AGAIN WILL COME  DOWN TO SIMPLE DOLLARS. IT'S.  YOU KNOW, YES THAT PLAN'S BEEN  GUESS EVERYBODY LOVES IT WE  ALL EMBRACE IT IT WOULD JUST  BE A GREAT THING. HOW DO YOU  PAY FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT'S TAX CITIZENS. I DO NOT  BELIEVE. AS A GROUP. WHAT  SUPPORT PUTTING AND 20  30 MILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT  62 ACRES. WE HAD A CITIZEN  HERE RECOMMEND TO GO TO  REFERENDUM. YOU PUT THAT OUT A  REFERENDUM THAT STILL STOCKS  OPINION IT WILL GO DOWN IN  FLAMES. OK TO SPEND 30 MILLION  DOLLARS OF ASSISTANCE TAX  DOLLARS BUILD ANOTHER HUGE  PARK WITH ALL THE AMENITIES  THAT TO 2019 PLAN THAT. WELL  IT'S GREAT. I THINK QUESTION  THEN YOU'VE GOT THE COST OF  EVEN IF WE SPEND THE MONEY.  THE COST OF IT JUST  MAINTAINING THAT'S 62 ACRES AS  A PARK LIKE ENVIRONMENT WITH  THE AMENITIES 2019 PLAN CALLS  FOR I WOULD ESTIMATE TO BE IN  THE AREA OF A HALF A  1 MILLION 4 1 MILLION DOLLARS  A YEAR. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  ANY OF THOSE AMENITIES THAT  WERE PROPOSED IN THE 2019 PLAN  WOULD GENERATE THAT KIND OF  REVENUE IN BUT MOST LIKELY IT  WOULD NOT SO YOU KNOW YOU LOOK  AT IT AND IT'S GREAT TO SAY WE  HAVE A FANTASTIC PLAN THAT  EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE. I MEAN  THE MONEY. THAT'S THE BOTTOM  LINE RAIN ME THE MONEY. SOME  EMBRACE THAT 2019 PLAN, IT'S  GOT TO BE SOMEBODY OUT THERE  WITH A LOT OF MONEY THAT  DOESN'T MIND MAKING THAT  INVESTMENT FIND THEM BRING  THEM HERE AND THIS COMMISSION  WILL PROBABLY BE MORE HAPPY TO  ENTERTAIN THOUGHT WE ALL LOVE  TO SEE THAT AND IT'S JUST NOT  REALITY. SO. THAT'S WHY WE'RE  BACK TO. IF THIS PROPOSED  MOTION TO. PUT THE WORD THERE  THAT WE ARE OPEN-MINDED TO  ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING WITH  REGARD TO 62 ACRES AS LONG AS  IT DOES NOT INVOLVE SELLING  THAT LAND IN LAST THE BUYER OF  THAT LAND.  >> WOULD PROTECT THE PROPERTY  ON IN FUN ITEM. YOU KNOW IF  THE STATE WANTS TO BUY IT FOR  16 MILLION DOLLARS OR ANYBODY  ELSE AND MAKE IT A PARK. I  BLESS HIM. BUT I WOULDN'T WANT  TO SEE ANY DEVELOPER GET THEIR  HANDS ON THE TITLE TO THAT  LAND. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT  BECAUSE LIKE I SAY WILL END UP  WITH DEVELOPMENT. GREATER AND  MORE INVASIVE THAN WHAT WE SAW  IN THE PIECE 3 PLANTS FROM  ASHLEY PAUL. THAT'S MY TAKE  THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE  MAYOR.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THANK  YOU I DIDN'T ADDRESS THE  TRAILHEAD MY COMMENTS. AND.  >> I THINK OUR DONATION OF THE  LAND IS SUFFICIENT I WOULD  SUPPORT THE TRAILHEAD.  >> AS LONG AS IT'S FUNDED BY  GRANTS. AND PARKS IMPACT FEES,  NO GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTIONS  KNOW SURTAX WE HAVE SO MANY  INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS COMING  DOWN THE PIKE THAT ARE GOING  TO NEED THAT SURTAX BUCKET.  THAT I JUST COULDN'T SPEND  SURTAX MONEY ON. PARK  ENHANCEMENTS. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> BUT TO JUST REITERATE  SAYING YOU KNOW THERE'S A OUT  THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.  >> GIVEN ONE OF US COM.  >> TO REITERATE WHAT  COMMISSIONER, I'M SORRY VICE  MAYOR STOKES IT SAID YES, IF  THERE'S ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT  WANTS TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP  THAT 60 ACRES NATURAL  ANSWERING PLACE CONTACT US  CONTEXT CITY MANAGER PARKS  DIRECTOR. LET'S GET IT DONE.  >> BIGGEST DRAWBACK IS AT 60  ACRES WITHOUT THOSE BUILDINGS  WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE SPRINGS  ITSELF. I DON'T SEE THE STATE  PARK JUMPING FOR JOY TO GET 60  ACRES. THEY THEY WANT TO KEEP  THE NATURAL RESOURCE KNOWN AS  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THEY WANT  THAT LAKE IS. HISTORICALLY AND  CULTURALLY AND NATURALLY  VALUABLE. TO HAVE IT BE A  STATE PARK. MOST STATE PARKS  JUST ART 60 ACRES OF VACANT  LAND THERE SOMETHING SPECIAL  ABOUT A STATE PARK THAT MAKES  IT UNIQUE AND MAKES IT. PEOPLE  WANTING TO GO I WENT TO A  STATE PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF  THE STATE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT  ITS NAME WAS BUT IT WAS THE  COOLEST STATE PARK BECAUSE IT  HAD SO MANY HILLS AND VALLEYS  IN AND RIVERS AND STREAMS ALL  AROUND IT THEN IT BECAME LIKE  HUGE BMX STRAW. AND THAT'S  WHAT MADE IT SO COOL AND  THAT'S WHY I BECAME A STATE  PARK. LOOK AT MY MYAKKA STATE  PARK. IT'S NOT JUST 60 ACRES  OF. ITS IT'S GOT A HUGE  NATURAL RESOURCE DRAW WEEKI  WACHEE HAS A SPRINGS DRAW.  STATE PARKS JUST AREN'T 60  ACRES. THEY CAN LAND. AND IF  IF. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE  THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL  PART OF IT BECAUSE WE MIGHT BE  DEMOLISHING THE BUILDINGS. AND  THAT THE WATER ITSELF IS NOT  GOING TO BE PART OF THAT. I  GUESS ACQUISITION OR LAND  LEASE OR OR DISCUSSION POINTS.  I DON'T SEE ANYBODY TRUMP AND  DOWN THE DOORS TO JUMP ON 60  ACRES I IT'S GOT TO BE KIND OF  LIKE A PACKAGE DEAL WHICH  BRINGS ME BACK TO THE MAIN  MOTION THAT WAS MADE FOR WANT.  SO AT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY  IS GOING TO BE JUMPING AT  THIS. SO I IF THEY'RE OUT  THERE PLEASE. TIME IS NOT ON  OUR SIDE. AND I REALLY HOPE  THAT GROUP WILL COME AND TALK  TO US AND AND MAYBE PRESENT  SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ALL JUST  KIND OF WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND  THAT IS A WIN FOR THE  COMMISSION AND THE CITY A WIN  FOR THE VISITORS WIN FOR THE  TAXPAYERS AND. LOOKING FOR A  TRIPLE WIN HERE. VICE MAYOR.  >> ALL RIGHT NOT TO BE TO  SOURCE TO DEATH AS A VISION  PLAN. YOU KNOW.  >> THERE'S MORE THERE. THE 18  ACRES THERE'S MORE THERE 62  ACRES. THERE IS A DISTRICT.  THERE'S ALL THAT  UNINCORPORATED AREA FROM 41  DOWN ORTIZ. IF YOU'RE DREAMING  BIG.  WE'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT  PARTNERS WHO MIGHT WANT TO SEE  A BIGGER VISION AND IT WAS. I  THOUGHT I SHARED WITH ASHLEY.  WHAT YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE  TO BUILD HIGH IMPACT NATURE 60  ACRES YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO  MUCH MORE THAN BASIC AMENITIES  ON THE 18 YOU CAN UTILIZE  ORTIZ YOU CAN BUILD CUP  BEAUTIFUL CONDOMINIUMS RESORT  WELLNESS CENTER'S PUT IN A  MUSEUM GALLERY JUST LIKE A  RAMEN YOU CAN HAVE ART COLONY  THERE AND AS SCHOOL OF DESIGN  AND ART. I MEAN THAT WHOLE  AREA COULD BECOME AN  INCREDIBLE DISTRICT. YEAH IS  THAT A LITTLE MORE THAN THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT BITE FROM  POLICE, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING  AT PARTNERSHIPS YOU'RE LOOKING  A COLLABORATION BETWEEN COUNTY  LOCAL PRIVATE INTERESTS. IF  YOU'RE GOING TO THINK BIG  THINK REAL BIG BECAUSE THEN  YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO  PRESERVE THE 20 ACRES. NO REAL  DEVELOPMENT JUST MAINTAIN  THOSE SPRINGS, YOU CAN TURN  THE 60 ACRES INTO A PART LIKE  ENVIRONMENT THAT SO MANY MORE  PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND THE  SURROUNDING AREAS CAN ENJOY.  YOU CAN CREATE SOME REVENUE  AND YOU CAN MAKE THE FINANCIAL  HIT THAT DEVELOPER WOULD NEED  TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS ALL  TOGETHER BY ALLOWING THEM TO  BUY UP THAT LAND ALONG ORTIZ  OF WHICH THERE IS A LOT  AVAILABLE IN TURN TO THE  ECONOMIC ENGINE AND THEN THINK  OUT NICE IT WOULD BE IT SHOULD  COME DOWN THAT'S ANOTHER  CORRIDOR INTO THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SO I  >> POSSIBILITIES ARE TRULY  UNLIMITED IT'S IT IS A GREAT  RESET TIME. YOU KNOW, NOBODY  IS JUMPING ON AND DOING  ANYTHING WITH THE 60 RIGHT NOW  IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW WE CAN TOY  WITH ANY IDEA I DON'T EVEN  KNOW THAT THAT EMOTION IS IS  APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME OF  THE 60 ACRES BUT BUT I TELL  YOU WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THE OF  THE  20 IN AND GET THE WORD OUT  THERE, ANYBODY WHO SEES A  MASSIVE VISION FOR THIS AREA.  >> THANKS FOR BRINGING UP  BRING FORTH.  >> OKAY. WE TOOK OUR PUBLIC  COMMENT. ALREADY ON THIS  ENTIRE ITEM SO. THERE'S NO  FURTHER DISCUSSION. I'M  LOOKING FOR A MOTION.  >> THAT AMERICA IN MAY I'M I'M  I'M NOT A 100% CLEAR ON WHAT  STAFF MEETINGS REGARDING. IT'S  TO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR  FROM US THAT.  >> COMMISSIONER THERE'S ALSO  SUGGESTED MOTION ON YOUR  SUGGEST A MOTION WITH YEAH BUT  I I WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF.  >> COMMISSIONER IS ONLY YOU  WANT TO PRIORITIZE, I MEAN  OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING KEEP  WORKING ON THE EXIT ROW BRINGS  BACK TO YOU. YOU CAN MAKE  DECISIONS OK, THANK YOU. ARE  YOU LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR  THAT. YOU WILL PRIORITIZE THE  FUNDING OTHERWISE WE'LL LEAVE  IT AS IT IS KEEP WORKING  THROUGH PROCESS, THIS OF THE  OTHERS ORDER TO BRING.  >> FULLBACK YOU WHAT IT WOULD  TAKE TO GET THE LATEST THE  MOTION FOR WAY PEOPLE WITH  LEGACY TRAIL AND INVOLVEMENT  WITH LEGACY TRAIL KNOWS THE  WILL OF BOARD. WE WANT TO MOVE  FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE LEGACY  TRAIL CONNECTION. AND DO YOU  WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO  CONTINUE THE CONVERSATIONS  WITH THE POWERS THAT TO MAKE  THAT COME TO FRUITION AND TO  BRING BACK ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION I THINK THAT WOULD  BE THAT WOULD SEND A VERY  STRONG MESSAGE TO ANYBODY  WHO'S LISTENING.  >> INSTEAD OF.  >> YEAH WE'RE NOT TOO SURE.  BUT.  >> IF I'M HEARING WHAT THE  OTHERS ARE I WILL ATTEMPT  MOTION.  >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOUR  MOTION I WAS RIGHT IN THE  SECOND OK. IT WAS KIND OF  BILLY DIDN'T I DON'T KNOW HOW  TO PLAY IT. THE CLERK GET OR  NOT TRY TO GET IT OKAY, I MAKE  A MOTION.  >> TO HAVE CITY MANAGER  CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS VARIOUS  ENTITIES AND FOCUS GROUPS TOO.  BRING BACK ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION ON HOW TO CONNECT  LEGACY TRAIL TO WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS.  >> SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE A MOTION  THAT CITY CLERK WILL RESTATE  FOR US TO DIRECT THE CITY  MANAGER TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION  OF VARIOUS ENTITIES AND FOCUS  GROUPS AND TO BRING BACK  INFORMATION ON CONNECTING  LEGACY TRAIL TO WARMING BANKS.  ALL RIGHT THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE GOT THAT.  >> OKAY, BUT I ALSO HAVE A  QUESTION ON I HAD SOME SISTAS  THE QUESTION ABOUT THE LEGACY  TRIAL. DO YOU STILL NEED  DIRECTION ON THE OTHER ASPECTS  AND THAT MOTION THAT WAS THERE  ABOUT CONTINUING PART LOOKING  FOR PARTNERS AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD YOU NEED  A SECOND MOTION FOR THAT  MOVING FORWARD.  >> I KNOW THIS IS LEGACY TRAIL  THAT WE QUESTIONS THAT  DISCUSSION SO IT DOESN'T GET  SECONDED THAT SO I ASKED BUSH.  >> BUT YEAH WE CAN VOTE AND A  LOT OF KNOW IF WE NEED MORE  DIRECTION TOP OF THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT SO IF THERE'S NO  FURTHER OR IS THAT THERE IS  >> I WOULD QUESTION. MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS TO WE WANT AMEND  THIS MOTION. I MEAN DO WE WANT  TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF MONEY.  I REALISTICALLY WE'VE ALREADY  HEARD THAT. CHARLES HYNES. IT  IS TO PUSH CONNECTOR IS  LOOKING TO BRING FOR WINNING,  IT'S LOOKING FOR THE CITY-RUN  4 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS  FORWARD. I MEAN WE WANT TO  ENTERTAIN OR AT LEAST OF A  CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT  BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHILE I  BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A  CONNECTOR THERE IF WE'RE  CONTRIBUTING THE LAND. I DON'T  THINK WE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE ONE  DIE.  >> MISTER HEINZ IS INTERESTED  IN GETTING THEIR LEGACY TRAIL.  STARTED THE CONNECTION  STARTED. NOT NECESSARILY IN  THE FALLS AND WHISTLES WITH A  TRAILHEAD WHICH WAS ONE IS THE  PLAN AND IS THE UNDERSTANDING  OF SARASOTA COUNTY THAT THE  TRAILHEAD WOULD BE A WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS PARK BECAUSE  THERE'S NO INTENT PUTTING A  TRAILHEAD WHERE THE CONNECTOR  IS AT THIS POINT THAT'S JUST A  STOPOVER BUT HE'S INTERESTED  IN AT LEAST GET THAT TRAIL  CONNECTION GOING. AND THEN  TALK ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD IN  THE FUTURE.  >> HOWEVER WE WANT TO GO ABOUT  THAT YOU KNOW THE KIND IT THEY  GO HAND IN HAND.  >> THEY HAVE TO DESIGN IT.  FROM WHERE THE COUNTY HAS HAS  STOPPED IT OUTSIDE THE  PROPERTY I MEAN I I'M JUST  REALLY ASKING THE QUESTION IF  WE'RE GOING TO GIVE STAFF  DIRECTION TO CONTINUE TO CUT  YOU KNOW MAKE ACTUAL CONTINUE  THE STAR  >> DO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE  THAT IT DOESN'T INVOLVE  SPENDING OUR CITIZENS TAXPAYER  DOLLARS ON WHETHER IT'S A  TRAILHEAD WHETHER IT'S A  CONNECTOR WHETHER IT'S GOT THE  BATHROOMS AND CUPS AND ALL THE  OTHER BILLS AND WHISTLES TO GO  ALONG WITH I JUST WONDERING IF  IF WE WANT FIND THAT A LITTLE  BETTER SO THAT WE DON'T CUT  DOWN THE PAYOFF OF  NEGOTIATION. ONLY TO THEN FIND  OURSELVES IT'S GOING TO COST  CITY'S TAXPAYERS 2 OR  3 MILLION BECAUSE I MEAN THAT  ISN'T WASN'T MY DECISION. NOR  WAS IT THE UNDERSTANDING I HAD  WHEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS  AND MEETINGS WITH MISTER HYNES  LEGACY TRAIL. WE HAVE THE LAND  THEY WILL BRING IN THE MONEY.  I WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND  THAT'S MY POSITION I WOULD NOT  ADVOCATE SPENDING CITIZEN  CHECKED ALL OF US ON THIS.  HE'S PLAYING MONEY THEY CAN  RAISE FOR DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE  TO COME AT OUR CITIZENS PATCH  OF OF OUR CITIZENS  POCKETBOOKS. I KNOW THEY ASK  AND WHAT YOU ALL THINK.  >> AND WE HAVE THAT MOTION  READ AGAIN. A CLERK, I'M  SORRY.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO CONTINUE DISCUSSING VARIOUS  ENTITIES AND FOCUS GROUPS SENT  TO BRING BACK INFORMATION ON  CONNECTING LEGACY TRAIL TO  WARMING BANK SIDE SO WE'RE  JUST ASKING DISCUSSION.  >> AND THE CITY MANAGER BACK.  >> I MEAN THE ENTITY WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT IS TROLLS TIMES  IN JUST THAT CUSTER PUBLICLY  ADDRESS THE PUBLIC LANDS. I'M  NOT SURE ANY THESE ARE  INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION  CURRENTLY. TO SARASOTA COUNTY  ON THE IT'S NOT TO SPEND ANY  MONEY. I COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YES, BUT THE ONLY  INFORMATION I WOULD NEED AT  THIS POINT IS HOW MUCH IS IT  GOING TO COST AND WHO'S GOING  TO PAY FOR. I'M SAYING I THINK  I ANYTHING NOW OKAY. I DON'T  KNOW YOU WANT ME TO FLOAT  ♪ AND AMENDMENT.  ♪ SO THE MOTION.  >> WELL THERE ARE JUST GOING  TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. YEAH I  THINK COMES BACK TO US FOR  APPROVAL OF REGARDLESS.  THEY'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT  THOSE NUMBERS BRINGING BACK  INFORMATION FOR ME IT'S JUST  WAY TOO LOOSELY GO SEE. I WANT  TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COST  AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT.  THAT'S THE INFORMATION BRING  HIM TO THE DISCUSSION I IT WAS  JUST 2 LOSING CUSTODY FOR ME.  MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, THE ONLY IT IF YOU  WANT TO PUT A MOTION IN THERE  TO DO THE FUNDING. I THINK  IT'S PUTTING THE CART BEFORE  THE YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU'RE  GOING TO LOOK AT FUNDING, HEY.  >> OUR CITIZENS AND OUR OUR  DEVELOPERS PAY A LOT OF MONEY  IN PARK IMPACT FEES TO THE  COUNTY. AND MAYBE THAT'S. SO  WHERE THEY CAN START LOOKING  AT TO POSSIBLY OUT PAY FOR SO  I JUST I THINK WE NEED  INFORMATION THAT INFORMATION  COULD BE FINANCING NOT HOW  IT'S GOING TO LOOK WHAT IS IT  A TRIAL DATE IS JUST PASSES IT  IS 6  >> IT'S INFORMATION AND I HAVE  HEARD TIME AND TIME AND TIME  AGAIN THAT THE CITY MANAGER  OUR STAFF ARE QUITE CAPABLE OF  BRINGING BACK INFORMATION TO  BE ABLE TO GIVE US A DECISION  TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION  SO I JUST THINK THAT THE  DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE  WHATEVER THAT DISCUSSION AND  THEY WILL BRING IT BACK.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON JUST TO  BE CLEAR.  >> I DON'T WANT ANY TAX PAYER  MONEY TO THIS SO WHEN I ASKED  WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT, I'D  LIKE TO SEE A BREAKDOWN CHIP  AND THEN WHAT. AND THAT'S  FINE. I MEAN WHAT IT IS I'M  SURE. IT'S ALREADY A PLAN FOR  THAT CONNECTOR THAT THEY THINK  I'VE SEEN A PLAY FOR THAT. SO  I DON'T KNOW THAT I JUST DON'T  WANT STAFFED SPENDING TIME  FETCHING ROCKS I WANT US TO BE  SPECIFIC AND AND WHAT WE NEED  TO GET AT IN ORDER TO MOVE  FORWARD. MAKE A MOTION TO  AMEND THE MOTION. I IF IT  MAKES YOU MORE COME ON  AMENDMENT MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO  CLARIFY THAT OUR  >> I MOVE AND THE MOTION BY  ADDING SPECIFICALLY WHAT WILL  THAT CONNECTOR. LOOK LIKE.  COST AND WHO'S PAYING FOR IT.  I'LL SECOND.  >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON CITY  CLERK. YOU JUST REPEAT THAT  FOR CLARITY.  >> TO ADD SPECIFICALLY THE  LOOK THE COST SHE WAS PAYING  FOR IT. I PUT FUNDING  RESPONSIBILITY, HAHA.  >> AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL NIGHT  OKAY, ON THE AMENDMENT. THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0. ALL RIGHT AND  THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE MAIN  MOTION AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED.  THANK YOU. AND THAT PASSES  TIED TO THEIR.  >> OKAY DO WE NEED TO BREAK WE  ASKED WHO HE GOING TO DO WITH  BUT WHEN THEY NEED MORE FOR 60  THAT THEY NEED DIRECTION FOR  WHAT TO DO WITH THE CAN UP I  TO IT MAYBE BOWLS. THAT  RECIPE.  >> YES GO AHEAD. OH, I'M  SORRY, I'M SORRY I WAS HERE  WHY IT'S IT'S PRETTY READING  WHAT LET'S FINISH THAT I WAS  TALKING REALLY ASKING MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO DO WE.  >> WE REALLY SHIELDS IN NEED.  >> INSTRUCTS SAID STAFF TO DO  WITH ANYTHING REGARDING  CHANGED WITH THIS POINT IN  TIME. I DON'T THINK SO BUT.  AND YEAH, I MEAN MAYBE THE  ONLY THING BY BEING TOO. WELL.  DO SOMETHING IN THE  WAY OFF LETTING WORLD KNOW  THAT WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS OTHER  THAN THAT I MEAN I DON'T KNOW  WHAT MORE. WE COULD ASKED CITY  STAFF TO DO. AT THIS TIME  UNLESS I SEE  >> IF YOU ALLOW US TO DO THE  FIRST PHASE EXPLORATION THAT  YOU. TOLD US TO DO TODAY THAT  WILL ALLOW YOU HEARD YOU SAY  IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA IF YOU  WANT TO ORGANIZE AND BRING AND  IDEA BACK PHASE 2. IT WILL  GIVE THEM TIME TO DO SO SO  THAT WE BRING BACK OUR MISSION  THEY CONTINUE BACK INFORMATION  AND THEN THAT WILL HELP GUIDE  DECISION WAS WHAT TO DO IF  THEY SEE WHAT WE DO NOTHING OF  THESE 2 DECISION TODAY OK AND  WE NEED THINGS ONE THING WE  THAT.  WE'RE ALL WE'VE DONE WITH  SHOULD BE OKAY. OKAY.  >> I FEEL OK ABOUT LAST FINAL  QUESTION ANYBODY COMES TO THE  CITY AND STAFF AND SAYS HEY I  GOT A PLAN FOR THOSE 60 ACRES  OR WE OPEN TO LISTENING TO IT.  YES WE NOW.  >> YEAH WE WE WOULD LISTEN WE  WOULD ASK THEM WHAT THERE.  THEIR IDEAS YOU KNOW THEIR  VISION. YOU KNOW IT HAS TO  SOMETHING THAT YOU AS A  COMMISSION OR GOING TO WANT TO  EXPLORE. NO WANT TO CHECK  THAT, BUT KNOW SOMEONE DOES  COME THEY HAVE IDEAS AND THEY  WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WHAT I'M  SAYING IS. LAST YEAR WE FOR  PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT WE DID NOT  DO WELL IN UP IN THE  EXPIRATION OF A STATE PARK OR  NATIONAL PART.  >> WE'RE SAYING TO THOSE  PEOPLE SO AND BRING BACK  SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION  COULD ACTUALLY DO YOU THINK  ABOUT AND CONSIDER AS A VIABLE  OPTION FOR THE 62 ACRES. YES,  BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL THE 2.  >> I WANT I WAS 2 CITY  MANAGERS POINT SOMEBODY COMES  TO HIM WITH AN IDEA THAT HAS  THE FUNDING SOURCE, THE IDEA  THE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. HE  NEEDS TO BRING IT TO AND ALL  OF THOSE OPTIONS, NOT JUST HEY  I'M IS IT NATURAL IT'S RAIN OR  IS IT A RESORT HE NEEDS TO  BRING ALL OF THEM TO US FOR US  TO TO  >> YEAH THAT OUT A I. OK SO  HOW LONG 10 I WILL BE BACK AT  3.57.  ♪ >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR  HOUSE IS  ♪ NOT FLOODING. WITHIN US AFTER  STORM EVENT.  >> WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT  SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS AFTER THE  STORM.  ♪ THAT ALLOWS THE FILTER TO GET  THE STUFF THAT CAME ROOM AND  THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO  THAT  ♪ WHEN REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO  LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS  AND ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT THEIR ROADS.  >> ROADWAYS OR ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP  TO 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST  RAIN THAT IS NOT LETTING IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL  PRODUCT FACILITY MANAGER WITH  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND  TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED  EVALUATIONS SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU ATION  IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S  CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS.  SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR  CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND  WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF  DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO  INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW  US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU  SHOW US BACK SHOWS ELEMENTARY  BACK DIFFERENT  ♪ >> STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT  WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO  SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE  IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR AT  THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS THAT  THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW AND YOU  CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR  CHILD UP FOR THAT APPROPRIATE  LEVEL THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT  THAT WE HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY  WHEN WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL  ONE WE DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT  SHOULD POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2  AND LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM  A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON  ♪ SITE THAT HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE  A SWIM ASSESSMENT.  >> STACEY LA SALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT EVERYBODY IN  YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND  KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS  AND YOU ALSO SHARE IT WITH  PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR  NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW  WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF  TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF  YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER  A DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OR FAMILY HOME  THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM OPTION WOULD BE GO  TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE  COMFORTABLE THAN I'VE  ACCUSATION. CENTER'S 4TH  OPTION WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE  OF OUR EVACUATION CENTER  SARASOTA COUNTY HAS FALLEN  BACK AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S.  THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR  WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT  NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK  ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH. BUT  ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF IN THE  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTY PORTIONS OF THE BIG  SLOW. DURING SIGNIFICANT RAIN  EVENTS PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR  PONDING OCCURS AND LOW-LYING  AREAS THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED  BY POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER  SATURATED SOILS WITH  BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS  THE GROUND IS TOTALLY  SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE  RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE  SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF  ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO  79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS.  >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION  DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH  EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THERE ARE 64  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF  WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED  DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED.  WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE  DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE  CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS  RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF  THE WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS  PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE  IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT  RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO  RESPONSE AND RECOVERY MODE  QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE  OUT THERE.  >> OH MY GOSH.  >> SAYING  >> A FEW WEEKS AGO RESIDENTS  OF THE BROUGHT TO MY  ATTENTION. SOME ACTIVITY IN  HER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A  HOME-BASED BUSINESS. I  EVALUATE THE SITUATION. I  COULD UNDERSTAND HER I DO WANT  TO SAY THAT WE WELCOME  QUARTERLY. UPWARDS AT  SOMETIMES IN EXCESS OF 7 DAY.  BUSINESSES OPENING IN THE CITY  AND MANY OF THEM ARE  HOME-BASED AND.  >> I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF  BUSINESSES AND SMALL BUSINESS  BUT.  >> EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON  THIS DAY ABOUT BALANCE AND  TRYING TO BALANCE OUT. WHAT'S  APPROPRIATE NOW ATTACHED SOME  PICTURES I THINK YOU'RE  LOOKING AT THEM. I ALSO  ATTACHED TO THIS AGENDA TOPIC  AND EXTRACT FROM. A STATE  STATUTE REGARDING HOME  DISTANCES I JUST WANT TO READ  A FEW OF THE LINES HERE THAT  JUMPED OUT AT ME AND THEN I'LL  LOOK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO  TO JUST SORT OF NET OUT WHAT  SHE AS. LIMITATIONS ON US, BUT  A STATE STATUTE HAS TO VERY  HEAVY DEGREE LIMITED EUNICE  THE PALLET TEENS AND COUNTIES  AND THE STATE CAN DO SO LET ME  JUST READ THINGS THAT JUMPED  OUT AT ME. WE MAKE WE MAY NOT  PROHIBIT WE STRECHED REGULATE  OUR LICENSE AND A MANNER THAT  IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER  BUSINESSES. AND THE LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS JURISDICTION  EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED  IN THIS SECTION. BOOK. THE  EMPLOYEES OF THE BUSINESS WHO  WORK AT THE RESIDENTIAL  DWELLING MUST ALSO RESIDE AND  THAT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING  EXCEPT UP TO A TOTAL OF 2  EMPLOYEES OR INDEPENDENT  CONTRACTORS WHO DO RESIDE MAY  WORK THERE. WE'RE ALSO LIMIT  FROM ADDING ANY RESTRICTIONS  TO A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT  ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE  RESTRICTION WE WOULD PUT ON  ANY HOME. BUT A LINE AND THIS  THAT GET THE HELP AND I'M MORE  INTERESTED AND HEARING WHAT  CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO SAY IS  THAT PARKING RELATED TO THE  BUSINESS ACTIVITIES OF THE  HOME BASED BUSINESS COMPLY  WITH LOCAL ZONING  REQUIREMENTS. AND THE NEED FOR  PARKING GENERATED BY THE  BUSINESS MAY NOT BE GREATER  AND VOLUME AND ONE WOULD  NORMALLY BE EXPECTED AT A  SIMILAR RESIDENTS WERE NO  BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED. SO A  COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I  HAVE JUST FOR CLARITY I THINK  RIGHT NOW.  >> RESIDENTIAL PARKING  LIMITATION IN 6 VEHICLES PER  PROPERTIES SO CITY MANAGER  WHEN YOU COMMENT CITY ATTORNEY  IN MY RIGHT ON THAT AND THEN I  I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY  SPECIFICATIONS. OWNER OWNS A  PROPERTY NEXT TO THEIR HOME  AND THAT'S BEING YEAR'S  STRICTLY FOR PARKING.  >> THAT.  >> ALLOWED.  >> I MEAN TO ME THAT'S A  LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND  WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM A  NORMAL RESIDENTS ANYWAY I WANT  TO STOP CLAPPING MY JOBS AND  CITY ATTORNEY AND I SEE.  DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT COMING  DOWN TO. EXACTLY. HOW ARE WE  LIMITED. WHAT WHAT WIGGLE DO  WE HAVE HERE.  >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR  QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER FIRST I  WANT TO SAY CANNOT SPEAK TO  THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. AND  THAT IS PHOTOGRAPHED AND  ATTACHED TO THE BACKUP, I'M  NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE  PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT  WAS PERMITTED AND HOW IT CAME  TO BE THAT THERE'S PARKING LOT  BUILT NEXT DOOR TO I DON'T  HAVE THAT HISTORY YOU KNOW THE  APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO DO ANY  ENFORCEMENT FOR PARKING WOULD  BE THROUGH CODE ENFORCEMENT  BEFORE LEAVING OFFICE OR SO I  CAN SPEAK TO MAKE SURE AND  PLACE THAT DISCLAIMER. YOU  HAVE EXTRACTED SOME OF THE KEY  PROVISIONS FROM THE STATE  STATUTE AS PROBABLY MOST OF  YOU ON THE BOARD ARE AWARE AND  I'M NOT SURE ABOUT OUR PUBLIC  THAT USED TO BE VERY  COMMONPLACE FOR CITIES TOO TRY  TO REGULATE HOME BUSINESSES TO  SOME EXTENT SO YOU ESPECIALLY  DID NOT HAVE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC  AND PARKING IMPACT AND WHAT  YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A  RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE YOU  BUY YOUR HOUSE TO A  RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU DON'T  EXPECT TO BE LIVING NEXT DOOR  TO YOU RESIDENTS THAT HAS A  LOT OF COMING AND GOING IN A  BUSINESS CONTEXT VERSUS  RESIDENTIAL OR TO HAVE 10 OR  SO VEHICLES PARKED ANY ONE  TIME EXCEPT FOR MAYBE YOU KNOW  IN PARTY ON SUPER BOWL SUNDAY  OR SOMETHING LIKE SO YOU KNOW  I I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF TO  TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR SPECIFIC  PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE  MAY APPLY IN DIFFERENT ZONING  DISTRICTS, THAT'S NOT  SOMETHING THAT THAT I TODAY SO  I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION  HAND.  >> WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF THE.  >> THE COMMISSION HAS  CONCERNS. YOU MAY WANT TO  THINK ABOUT LOOKING AT SOME OF  THOSE PROVISIONS TO SCENE.  >> YOU KNOW WHERE OR IF WE MAY  WANT TO CHANGE SOME OF THE  RESIDENTIAL PARKING  REGULATIONS IN GENERAL KNOWING  THAT THEY WILL IMPACT YOUR  TYPICAL RESIDENCES WHERE THERE  IS NO BUSINESS AS WELL AS  RESIDENCES WHERE THERE ARE  HOME-BASED BUSINESSES.  >> AS THE STATUE POINTS OUT  I'M LIKE WHAT USED TO BE  COMMONPLACE. WE CANNOT  IDENTIFY TARGET HOME-BASED  BUSINESSES FOR CERTAIN  REGULATIONS. BUT IF YOU FIND  I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT MYSTERY  WILL SAY THAT IT'S ACCURATE  THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PARK 6  VEHICLES RESIDENTIAL HOME IN  ALL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE YOU  KNOW THESE PARTICULAR ZONING  DISTRICTS. AND YOU FIND THAT'S  NOT REALLY NECESSARY FOR YOUR  TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD. AND THAT'S  A REGULATION MAY WANT TO  REVISIT IN REDUCED AND IT  WOULD HAVE THE IMPACT ALSO ON  HOME-BASED BUSINESSES BUT IT  WOULD HAVE SEEN IMPACT ON  HOMEOWNER, EVEN THOSE WHO ARE  NOT OPERATING BUSINESSES SO I  HOPE THAT'S RESPONSIVE AND  HELP ON YOUR AND IF IT'S NOT  BE MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS  I'LL BE TO KNOW THAT REALLY  HELPFUL IF IT'S OK WITH THEM  I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN AND  WHAT DIRECTOR RAY HAS TO SAY  ON YEAH.  >> SURE.  >> WELL AFTER THANK YOU.  >> SO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS  >> I WILL SAY RIGHT RIGHT UP  THAT AT THE TIME THAT THIS.  PARTICULAR PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN  THE PROPERTY WAS OUT OF  COMPLIANCE TALK WITH THE  HOMEOWNER AND WORK WITH THEM  AND WHEN  >> VISITED THE PROPERTY THEY  WERE THEN IN COMPLIANCE AFTER  THAT. IT IS ALSO A COMBINED  LOT. SO THIS PROPERTY HAS OVER  20,000 SQUARE. THE A LOT LOT  OVER 20,000 SQUARE FEET OUR  CODE ALLOWS 8 VEHICLES TO BE  PART. CITY ATTORNEY SAYING WE  CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN  VEHICLES THAT MAY BE USED FOR  THE BUSINESS AND THOSE THAT  MAY USED PERSONAL. WE ALLOW  RESIDENTS TOLD PROPERTY IN ANY  ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS  20,000 SQUARE FEET TO HAVE A  VEHICLES. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER  IT'S 8. PLAME MINIVANS  OR 8 MANY BANDS THAT HAVE THE  NAME OF THE COMPANY ON THE  SIDE OF THEM. WE ALLOW THAT  FOR EVERYONE AND I'M SURE  YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE A LOT  RESIDENTS WHO DO HAVE A LOT OF  BOAT, THEY'LL HAVE MAYBE A  TRAILER OF ALL HAVE MULTIPLE  CARS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE.  WITH MULTI GENERATIONS LIVING  IN HOUSEHOLDS, SO WE DO HAVE  WE DO HAVE A LOT FOR  SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT ARE  YOUR BASIC QUARTER ACRE SIZE  ANYTHING LESS THAN 20,000  SQUARE FEET. LAST 6 PER LOT.  AGAIN IF THEY HAVE A LOT NEXT  DOOR AND IT DOES NOT COME BY  THERE IS NO USE ALLOWED ABOUT  LOT UNTIL THEY COMBINE IT SO  WE HAVE SEEN A LOT LOT  COMBINATIONS. FOR THIS REASON  SPECIFICALLY WE WILL HAVE  PEOPLE WHO WANT COMBINE LOTS  AND THEY CAN BUILD ANOTHER  GARAGE OR A ONE-TIME THING  THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD  A GARAGE, A FAKE. IF THEY JOIN  OR WANTS TO GET ARE NOT  REQUIRED TO BUILD A GARAGE FOR  HOPPED FOR CARS TO GO IN  BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVING CHOIR  MONTHS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO  PARK IN THEIR GARAGE. WE WE  DON'T HAVE ANY USE  REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT THE NOW  ONE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE  STATE STATUTE DOES SAY THAT  COMMERCIAL VEHICLES HAVE TO  THIS BECAUSE USING THE  BUSINESS AFTER BEING PARKED ON  AN IMPROVED SO THIS PARTICULAR  HOMEOWNER. THEY ORIGINALLY  WERE PARKING IN THE GRASS. WE  SAID NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOUR  VEHICLE'S IT THOSE VEHICLES  USED FOR BUSINESS THEY HAVE TO  BE PARKED ON SURFACE AND THEY  DID PUT DOWN. A PAT FOR THOSE  VEHICLES. SO THAT'S THAT'S  WHERE WE WITH THE PARKING  REGULATIONS THAT THE  COMMISSION ADOPTED LAST LATE  LAST YEAR. WE HAVE WORKED TO  GET EDUCATION WE PAID FIRE  TOGETHER AND. TAKING THOSE  FIRES EVERY TIME WE SEE YOU  KNOW VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED  IN AND NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH  OUR ORDINANCE RELIEVING THOSE  FLYERS AT THEIR HOME. WITH A  COURTESY NOTICE THAT YOU KNOW  THIS THESE ARE THE NEW  REGULATIONS. AND THEN WE GO  BACK AND INSPECT BEFORE WE  ACTUALLY SENT OUT ANY SO WE  ARE WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.  WE'VE WE'VE RECEIVED GOING TO  PUSH BACK ON THAT ORDINANCE.  BUT THAT IS EVEN WITH THE 6.  THE INCOME LIMIT ON  SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS WE STILL  RECEIVE A LOT PUSHBACK ON THAT  AS WELL. WE DON'T  DIFFERENTIATE WHETHER THOSE  BUSINESS RELATED OR WHETHER  THE PERSON REALLY.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT I'M  GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED  AND WHAT MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO I'LL  SIMPLY BEFORE I YIELD THE  FLOOR SAY THAT. I'M PRETTY  SURE AT THIS LEVEL OF  COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND THE  NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT WHAT OUR  LEGISLATORS HAD IN MIND AS A  PROVING BUT BUT HERE WE ARE.  >> THE SECOND IS ANY.  >> REGULATION ARE RESTRICTION  OR LIMITATION WE PLACE ON  THIS.  >> HAS TO APPLY TO EVERY  RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE HERE IN  THE CITY.  >> SO IF WE RESTRICT FOR  VEHICLES PER.  >> WHATEVER ACRE SQUARE FOOT.  >> WHY NOT I'M RELUCTANT TO DO  THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW TODAY'S  ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE  FAMILIES COMBINED WE HAVE  PEOPLE COUCH SURFING AND I  CERTAINLY DON'T WANT  RESTRICTOR MAKE LIFE BUT THOSE  FOLKS ANYMORE. DIFFICULT AND  IT ALREADY IS. BUT HAVING SAID  I I HOPE MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS WOULD AGREE THAT  THIS IS JUST A A LEVEL OF  ACTIVITY THAT IN MY MIND  ANYWAY GOES BEYOND WHAT ONE  WOULD EXPECT IN A RESIDENTIAL  NEIGHBORHOOD. NOW THAT WAS ON  PRICE GIVEN WHERE WE'RE GOING  WITH PRICE I I WOULDN'T HAVE  THAT LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT  IT. BUT I'D BE REALLY  INTERESTED IN WHAT MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY I I  HAVE THOUGHTS ON WHAT I'D LIKE  TO DO, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR  FROM YOU GUYS FIRST. I'M VICE  MAYOR.  >> YEAH I MEAN YOU KNOW, I  MEAN  >> WE'VE BECOME FAIRLY  RESTRICTIVE WITH REGARD TO  REGULAR SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY  OWNERS WHERE THEY CAN PARK  THEIR VEHICLES ON THEIR OWN  PROPERTY AND PARKING AND THE  CAMP ON THE GRASS, YOU KNOW  AND HERE.  >> IT SEEMS LIKE WITHIN REASON  IT CERTAINLY PEERS ARE MORE  THAN A CHANT GOALS IN THAT  PICTURE BUT ASSUMING THERE  WERE EVEN JUST 8.  >> THE FACT THAT LEGALLY. A  RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNER WHO  ONCE HOME-BASED BUSINESS CAN'T  HAVE A VEHICLE SLIKE THAT ON  THEIR PROPERTY AND YET WE  HAVE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE  MULTIGENERATIONAL OCCUPANTS  AND CAN PARK THEIR OWN  RESIDENTIAL VEHICLES SEEMS TO  BE TO BE A DISCONNECT HOW WAS  THIS LITTLE WORK AND I MEAN  THIS CAN'T BE DOING ANYTHING  BUT CREATE SOME BRAIN DAMAGE.  SOME GUYS.  >> IN TERMS OF COMPLAINTS, LET  TO ANY SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY  OWNER WITH THIS. REMEMBER THIS  THE PICTURES THAT YOU SEE THEY  WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE THERE  WERE TOO MANY VEHICLES ON THE  PROPERTY EVEN UNDER OUR  CURRENT ORDINANCE ANY  SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY WITH  THIS TYPE WITH THIS SIZE LOT  CAN PARK 8 VEHICLES REGARDLESS  OF WHAT KIND THEY ARE WITH  THEIR BUSINESS OR PERSONAL. SO  THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS AND  THEY GOT MULTI GENERATION.  THEY CAN SO HAVE 8 VEHICLES  JUST LIKE THIS PROPERTY SO  WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING  BETWEEN THAT UNDERSTAND  >> I GUESS MY MY CONCERN IS  THAT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO  IS OBVIOUSLY IMPROVE. THE CURB  APPEAL OF OUR CITY I GET THAT  AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE AN  ASTRONOMICAL NUMBER OF  HOME-BASED BUSINESSES MOVING  INTO OUR CITY ALL OPERATE OUT  OF THEIR HOMES. IT MAY SOME OF  THEM ARE ON THE COMPUTER THAT  HOLE BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT  PLUMBERS ELECTRICIANS YOU NAME  IT THEY'VE GOT VEHICLES THAT  GOT PEOPLE COMING AND GOING  ALL THE TIME WELL I CAN  CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IF I WANT  TO CROSS THE STREET FROM THEM.  >> I MEAN UNLESS FREE PLUMBING  AND ELECTRICAL WORK PROBABLY  BE A BIT CONCERNED SO I GET  THAT BUT THEN I LOOK AT.  >> IN CONSISTENCIES.  >> THE OTHER ASPECT OF PARKING  WITHIN OUR CITY AND AND I GET  IT, IT'S NOT 20,000 SQUARE IF  I'VE GOT A QUARTER ACRE ACRE  LOT AND I'M LIMITED TO 6  PEOPLE'S BUT YOU KNOW HERE WE  ARE FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN  THEY LOOK AT THE SNAKE JUST A  DISCONNECT YOU LET THIS  HAPPEN, BUT BUT YOU'RE TELLING  ME I CAN'T PARK ON MY LAWN AND  I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION  WITH OUR NEW ULDC REWRITE.  THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO GET  WORSE AND WORSE AND YOU KNOW  WE GO WE MADE A MISTAKE HERE.  WE NEED REVISIT THIS WHOLE  PARKING ISSUE BECAUSE I I YOU  KNOW A LOT COMPLAINTS FROM  PEOPLE.  >> HOPE SO COMMISSIONERS SO WE  WE THE COMPLAINTS FROM THE  OTHER ARE PARKED NEXT SO WE WE  HEAR THE COMPLAINTS FROM  PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET THAT  THEIR NEIGHBORS HAVE.  >> 6 VEHICLES AND THEY DON'T  SEEM TO WANT TO PARK ANY OF  THEM ON THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY  PUT THEM ALL IN U.S.. SO  THERE'S THERE'S 2 SIDES TO YOU  HAVE COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO  BE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SAY  IT'S MY SHE DO WHATEVER I WANT  TO NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT  THAT THAT THAT'S THEIR  PROPERTY AND THAT THEY THE  CITY YOU KNOW HAS DRAINAGE  ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL  WITH BUT. SO SO WE. AS FAR  STAFF WE HEAR MORE FROM THE  PEOPLE WHO UPSET WITH THEIR  NEIGHBORS PARKING ALL OVER THE  GRASS SO SO BASICALLY YOU'VE  GOT  THIS  >> WITH THIS AND YOU CAN I  WOULD THINK FROM AN INVESTMENT  STANDPOINT, IT IS IT IS I  THINK WE DID MOBILE FOR JUST  LIKE IT IS FOR ALL OF OUR  SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS THAT  DO THE SAME THING SO KNOW WE  WERE JUST USED TO IT WE HANDLE  IT, I'M ALL ABOUT HABER ENGINE  ACTIONS. SOME OF NEIGHBORING  JURISDICTIONS.  >> THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS A  MORE STRICT THAN OURS. AND  THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS FRANCE  AND CHARLOTTE COUNTY THERE ARE  A LITTLE LESS STRICT SO IT'S  SORT OF A MIXED BAG OUT THERE  BUT. THE MOST PART. WE'RE  GETTING VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE  ON THE PARKING ORDINANCE THAT  WAS PUT INTO EFFECT IN  OCTOBER. A LOT OF THAT HAS TO  DO SIMPLY WITH EDUCATION THAT  WORK TRYING TO DO WE'RE NOT  GOING TO KEEP THE COMPLAINTS  DOWN ON FACEBOOK ANYWHERE ELSE  YOU THAT'S THAT'S JUST WHAT WE  DEAL WITH. BUT I WILL SAY  THAT. STATE LEGISLATURE HAS  MADE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.  FOR US TO. IN IRVING. ISSUES  LIKE THIS OTHER THAN THE NET  YOU'VE GOT TOO MANY VEHICLES  ON THE PROPERTY. AS LONG AS  THEY'RE PARKED CORRECTLY.  >> AND THEY.  >> DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 2  EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ACTUALLY  WORKING AT. THE PROPERTY  WHICH. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE  BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE  FOR US TO ENFORCE THAT. THERE  ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE  LEGISLATURE HAS TOLD WE CANNOT  CONTROL. THAT MAKE IT VERY  DIFFICULT FOR US TO TO HANDLE  SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. SOME OF  ITS OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THE  LEGISLATURE TENDS TO USE A LOT  OF SUBJECTIVE LANGUAGE.  >> AND WE BUILD IN TO WHERE  YOU WILL DO WE HAVE LEGAL  RIGHT TO TO REQUIRE BUFFERS OR  OR SHOULD SING OR LANDSCAPING.  >> SO WE DO SURE ABSOLUTELY  AND WE DO LARGER VEHICLES LIKE  OUR ARBY'S THINGS LIKE THAT  WE'VE GOT SOME NEW REGULATIONS  RELATED TO BUFFERS.  >> THE COMMISSION COULD.  >> COURSE ENACT SOMETHING THAT  IF YOU HAVE. FOR INSTANCE, A  SEPARATE LOT OR JOINED LOT AND  YOU HAVE X NUMBER OF VEHICLE  IN YOUR EXCESS OF A CERTAIN  NUMBER OF VEHICLES YOU HAVE TO  FOR THOSE VEHICLES YOU HAVE TO  PUT A FENCE AROUND THE  PROPERTY OR SOMETHING BUT  THERE ARE THOSE TYPES OF  VISUAL BUFFER REGULATIONS THAT  THE COMMISSION ADOPT. BEARING  IN MIND EVERYTHING WE DO MAY  HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES  SO WE WANT TO CAREFULLY AT  WHAT THAT MIGHT  >> WE ALSO HAVE TO BE.  >> AND AND. WE HAVE TO BE  CERTAIN THAT WE APPLY ANY  REGULATIONS. CONSISTENTLY  WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS  RESIDENCE BECAUSE WE CANNOT AS  CITY ATTORNEY'S PLANE WE  CANNOT BE MORE RESTRICTED TO  THE BUSINESS. AND THERE'S EVEN  A PROVISION OF THIS LAW THAT  SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT WE  CAN BE CHALLENGED AND WE CAN  BE SUBJECT TO ATTORNEY FEES  AND THAT THE THING IF A  BUSINESS IS BASED ON A  REGULATION DOT SO. WE DO HAVE  TO CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE DOING  THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE  APPLY IT CONSISTENTLY AND ONE  OTHER OPTION THAN SPECIFICALLY  IDENTIFY LEGISLATION IS THAT  LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE  THE PARKING OR STORAGE.  >> AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT  BUSINESS WHICH IS VISIBLE MUST  BRING THAT.  >> I REALLY DO THAT AS WELL WE  DO REQUIRE WE RESTRICT THE USE  OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON LOTS WE  HAVE RESTRICTIONS ABOUT THAT  WE ALSO HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR  BUFFERING FOR CERTAIN  VEHICLES.  >> OKAY ALL RIGHT MUCH.  >> I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE  AND YOU HAVE THE HOUSE TO THE  LEFT. NOW THAT HOUSES ALLOWED  6 CARS CORRECT.  >> SO THAT IS A COMBINED LOT.  SO THAT'S IT'S ONE LOT ITS  20,000 SQUARE OVER 20,000  SQUARE FEET THEY ARE A LOT 8  VEHICLES BASED ON THE OTC ARE  THAT SO THE 6 PLUS 2 BY HAVING  THAT EXTRA LOT.  >> THE THING HERE THAT GETS  ME. AS YOU SAID THEY WERE OUT  OF COMPLIANCE TO BEGIN. THAT  NIGHT BECAME UNDER COMPLIANCE  WANT ADD THIS PARKING AREA AND  STOP SO IT'S AN IMPROVED  SERVICE.  >> SO THEY WERE OUT OF  COMPLIANCE OF THIS PHOTO  BECAUSE THEY HAD TOO MANY  VIETNAM UNDERSTAND THAT BUT  BUT STILL.  >> THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH  THE CITY TO STAY WITHIN  COMPLIANCE THEY HAVE THE  IMPROVE SERVICE FOR EXTRA  PARKING THEY'VE DONE THIS AT  OTHER. NOW TO GO BACK TO THIS  HOMEOWNER. WOULD BE LIKE OH  YOU KNOW YOU'VE DONE  EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED BUT NO  NO YOU CAN'T DO IT. JUST TO ME  IS NOT PROP AND ESPECIALLY IT  IS COMPLIANCE. AND YOU KNOW  THEY'RE WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO  DO SO AND THE SAYS YES YOU ARE  WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS. SO I SEE  NO WITH THIS. AS LONG AS OUR  OTHER COMPLIANCE.  >> AND AS LONG AS THEY KEEP  THAT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES  AND THEIR PARKING. IN ON THE  IMPROVED SURFACE AND THEY ARE  IN COMPLIANCE.  >> THAT'S ALL THANK YOU MATT  OK I JUST SAID  >> THE BACKUP MATERIAL, IT'S A  PARAGRAPH SAY IT SAYS IS HUGE  FROM THE STREET THE  RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS  CONSISTENT WITH THE USES OF.  RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT  SURROUND TRUMP PRETTY GOOD  CATCH. I AND I AM YES I'M NOT  ATTORNEY BUT I I INTERPRET  THAT AS MEANING IT  RESIDENTIAL. HOUSES AND OUR  RESIDENTIAL HOUSES AND HOW HOW  IS THIS CONSISTENT. THE  RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT  SURROUND.  >> PROPERTY MAYOR I I THINK  YOU RAISE A GOOD QUESTION. SO  WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT  STATUTE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT  SUBSECTION 3 AND SUBSECTION 3  SAYS FOR PURPOSES OF THIS  BUSINESS IS CONSIDERED A  HOME-BASED BUSINESS. IF IT  MEETS THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.  AND THEN IT SETS FORTH SEVERAL  CRITERIA AND SUBSECTIONS A  TRUE S. AND YOU'VE REFERENCED  SUBSECTION C RIGHT RIGHT, I  AGAIN I CAN'T SPEAK TO THIS  PARTICULAR PROPERTY BUT I CAN  SPEAK TO PATHETICALLY I MEAN  IS THIS DOES THIS MEET THE  DEFINITION OF THE STATUTE OF A  HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAT HAS  THESE PROTECTIONS. IT MAY NOT  AS A COUPLE PEOPLE HAVE  MENTIONED YOU KNOW. THEY CAN  ONLY HAVE TO AND THEY CAN ONLY  HAVE THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE  HOUSE WORKING PLUS 2  EMPLOYEES. THE PROBLEM WITH  THAT IS WHEN IT COMES TO  ENFORCEMENT SO LET'S THAT WE  LOOK AT THAT AND GO THEY'RE  LIKE 8 MARKED VEHICLES HERE  FOR THE BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, I  MEAN I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE 6.  YOU KNOW PEOPLE DRIVING AGE  LIVING AT THIS HOUSE AND THEN  HAVE 2 OTHER PEOPLE BUT YOU  KNOW COMMON SENSE MAYBE THAT'S  NOT THE CASE. AND WE WANT TO  ENFORCE THAT WHEN THE CITY  GOES 2 CITY ISSUED A CITATION  AND THAT'S BEFORE THE HEARING  OFFICER. THE CITY BEARS THE  BURDEN OF PROOF TO SHOW. YOU  KNOW THAT THIS IS THIS IS MORE  THAN JUST THE PEOPLE LIVING IN  THE HOUSE PLUS 2 EMPLOYEES.  HOW DO WE PROVE THAT. HOW DO  WE PROVE TO THEIR EMPLOYEES  ARE AND HOW DO WE PROVE IT  WHERE THEY LIVE, YOU KNOW FOR  EXAMPLE, SO THAT THAT'S WHERE  SOME OF THE DICE AND THIS  COMES IN AND TRYING TO ENFORCE  THE STATUTE AS IT'S WRITTEN.  SO WHEN YOU'RE READING  SUBSECTION C.  >> YOU KNOW I THINK ILLEGAL  OCCASION WOULD YOU FROM THE  STREET. ITS USE IS  INCONSISTENT WITH THE  RESIDENTIAL USE. THEN THE  CITY'S ARGUMENTS GOING TO BE  THIS IS NOT A HOME-BASED  BUSINESS THAT HAS PROTECTION  OF THE STATUTE AND WE CAN YOU  KNOW SITE TAKE SOME TIME FOR  THE HEARING OFFICER. YOU KNOW  IN SOME OTHER WAY. AND THAT'S  A POSSIBILITY BUT THAT THERE  IS ALSO SOME SUBJECTIVITY  BUILT IN THERE. AND SO THAT  WOULD BE IN THE DISCRETION.  THE DECISION MAKER WHICH IN  THIS CASE WOULD BE THE HEARING  OFFICER. AND OF COURSE HIS  DECISIONS ARE APPEAL THE COURT  SYSTEM. SO THAT'S A BASE TO  US, BUT IT'S IT'S NOT  NECESSARILY  >> AND THAT AND I CAN ADD ON  TO THAT OF SUPPLY SOME CONTEXT  TO DEMONSTRATE HOW DIFFICULT  THAT IS TO GET TO THAT  ENFORCEMENT LEVEL. THIS  PARTICULAR BUSINESS THEY DO  NOT HAVE A BRICK AND MORTAR  LOCATION THEY DO OPERATE OUT  OF THEIR HOME. THEY DO HAVE A  COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES I THAT ONE  EMPLOYEE COMES TO THAT HOME  TODAY, HOWEVER, THE REST OF  THEM ARE REMOTE EMPLOYEES. WE  WERE DROPPED OFF THERE. PICK  UP THEIR VEHICLE AND REALLY  THE VEHICLES ARE SIMPLY PART  WHEN NOT WORKING. THAT IS ONE  OF THOSE ISSUES WHERE. AND  LET'S SAY THEY DIDN'T HOW DO  WE PERU. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE  INSIDE THAT HOUSE ALL THAT  EVERY HOW MANY HOW DO HOW DO  WE TAKE 2. HEARING MAGISTRATE.  THE TYPE EVIDENCE CONSIDERING  THE BURDEN IS ON THE CITY.  WHAT KIND EVIDENCE DO WE HAVE  TO TAKE TO A HEARING  MAGISTRATE. 2. TO HAPPEN.  >> WHAT IS BEHIND THAT  PROPERTY AND SO TO DO THAT YOU  HAVE TO HAVE EVIDENCE THAT  WOULD BE UPHELD SO THAT WOULD  BE EVIDENCE THAT ARE OUR  WITNESSES CAN OBSERVE WITHOUT  ENTERING THE PROPERTY ITSELF  BECAUSE UNDER THE 4TH  AMENDMENT WE DON'T HAVE THE  RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY. IT  WOULD WHAT WE CAN ASCERTAIN  FROM YOU KNOW PUBLIC RECORDS.  YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN A SMALL  BUSINESS LIKE THIS YOU'RE NOT  GOING TO FUND PUBLIC RECORDS  WHO WORKS THERE AND WHO  DOESN'T YOU CAN FIND RECORD AS  HE WAS ORGANIZED SUNDAY AS  REGISTERED A IF THEY HAVE A  CORPORATE ENTITY FORMED WOULD  MEAN THAT WOULD BE PRACTICES  BUT THAT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE  CASE SO. IT IS DIFFICULT WITH  THE CITY TO BEAR THAT BURDEN  OF PROOF BUT NOT REALLY HAVE  YOU KNOW FULL ACCESS THE  INFORMATION. NOW WE DO HAVE  CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS SUBPOENA  POWER WHICH DO NOT TYPICALLY  USE. AND YOU CAN PUT SOMEONE  ON THE STAND UNDER OATH. YOU  KNOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT  THEY'RE GOING TO SAY UNTIL  THAT HAPPENS IT'S IT'S NOT  LIKE A REAL CIVIL TRIAL OR  REAL CRIMINAL TRIAL SO IT'S  IT'S SORT OF LIMITED AND.  THINK WITH A LOT OF  LEGISLATION IT'S IT'S WRITTEN  WITH ONE INTENT AND ONE  MEANING THAT IT'S WRITTEN  QUICKLY AND AS WE YOU KNOW  TAKE THAT LEGISLATION AFTER  ITS ADOPTED AND START TO  REALLY TRY TO USE IT AND WORK  WITH IT. WE FIND WHERE THE  DIFFICULTIES ARE. WE CAN  CHANGE I MEAN AT LEAST WITH  WITH OUR CITY CODES IN OUR  CITY POLICIES WERE REALLY SEE  WHERE THE DIFFICULTIES ARE  YOU'LL HAVE THE RIGHT TO  MODIFY THOSE AND SAY HEY THIS  NOT LOOKING FOR A STUDENT. THE  STATUTE WORST WE'RE STUCK WITH  WHAT WE AND AGAIN APPLY YOU  KNOW RESTRICTING IT THROUGH  OUR CITY WE HAVE TO TAKE  >> BEING RESTRICTIVE TO OUR  RESIDENTS WHO DON'T HAVE HOME  BASED BUSINESSES IN ORDER IT  EVERYBODY SUFFERS FROM A FEW  ESSENTIAL.  >> SAID TO THE QUESTIONS AND  KIND OF RELATED THIS IS A  DOUBLE LOT. SO YOU DON'T HAVE  I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT  SURFACES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE  ANYTHING THAT SAYS.  >> BUT WHAT IS THAT.  >> IMPROVED SIR, YES, BUT WE  HAVE NOTHING THAT YOU KNOW THE  ENTIRE QUARTER ACRE.  >> NOT BE.  >> AND PERMEABLE SURFACE OR DO  WE HAVE NOT KNOW ANYTHING WE  SAY THAT VEHICLES MUST BE  PARKED ON AN IMPROVED SERVICE  AND THEN WE GIVE EXAMPLES OF  THAT SHOW GRAVEL CONCRETE  ASPHALT PAVERS FIXES IT LOOKS  LIKE THIS IS ENTIRELY  SOMETHING LIKE THAT SHOWER  RIGHT. YES, I BELIEVE THAT  SHELL OKAY THAT'S WHAT WE SAW  THAT'S THAT AND OTHER THING IS  WHERE IS THIS WELL.  >> AND HERE I DON'T SEE THIS  WELL ON THAT SIDE.  >> SO IN ORDER TO PUT THESE  DOWN THEY DID GET PERMIT THEY  GOT RIGHT OBLIQUE PERMITS. AND  THEY PUT UNDERSTANDING  ERRANDS.  >> UNDERGROUND THEY RAN A CALL  CROWN FOR THE WHOLE THAT.  >> OK THAT'S IT FOR  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  >> YOU KNOW I I FEEL FOR THE  NEIGHBORS THAT SURROUNDED THIS  PARTICULAR PARCEL I REALLY DO  BECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE  WHAT 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING  AND 5 O'CLOCK IN THE EVENING  LOOKS LIKE IN THAT  NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT SAFETY IS  ALWAYS CONCERN OF MINE AND YOU  KNOW IF THEY WANT TO BACK OUT  OF THEIR DRIVEWAY OR IF THEY  WANT TO HAVE A SUPER BOWL  PARTY, YOU KNOW THEY THEY'RE  BEING SO THAT IS A CONCERN.  BASED ON THIS PICTURE I I  UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT  THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, BUT ARE  THEY IN COMPLIANCE WHERE  THEY'RE NOT PARKING IN THE  RIGHT OF THEY'RE NOT PARKING  ON THE STREET WHILE THEY'RE  YOU KNOW JACKING VEHICLES  AROUND TO START THEIR DAY SO  THAT THE STREET IS NOT LOCKED  HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT SO THE  THIS PICTURE IS NOT IN  COMPLIANCE I UNDERSTAND, WHEN.  >> NOW WE'RE NOT THERE ALL THE  TIME AND WE'RE CERTAINLY AT  THAT 7 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING  AS WE DO SPECTER'S SUPPORT  THAT EARLY BUT WHEN WE HAVE  BEEN BY WE'VE BEEN BY ON  MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, NOT JUST A  COUPLE TIMES WE'VE EVEN BEEN  BY THE EVENING. OUR CODE  ENFORCEMENT MANAGER HAS DRIVEN  BY WEEKEND TRIP AND BY  EVENING. ON HIS OWN PERSONAL  TIME TOO. SEE WHAT YOU CAN  SEE. EVERY TIME THAT HE'S BEEN  BY THEY HAVE BEEN IN  COMPLIANCE. WE MEANING THAT  THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE  RIGHT OF WAY NOW THEY CAN PARK  ON THEIR DRIVE WAY SO THAT IT  BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE  GRASS THE NOT PARKING LOT OF  WEATHER ARE IN THE STREET OR  THEY'RE PART WHERE THEY'RE  SUPPOSED TO BE NOW. WE HAVE  NOT BEEN BY WHEN.  >> THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF  COMPLIANCE SENSE. THIS HAS  THAN DONE. BUT AS I SAID WE'RE  NOT THERE ALL THE TIME. WE  CAN'T BE THERE ALL THE TIME  AND WAS ONE OF OUR LIMITATIONS  IS THAT WE HAVE TO SEEN THESE  VIOLATIONS EXCEED THESE  VIOLATIONS. SO I I'D SAY IF  THEN BY LESS THAN HALF A DOZEN  TIMES. I MEAN I THINK IT'S  BEEN MORE THAN HALF A DOZEN  TIMES THAT WE'VE BEEN BY  RECENTLY.  >> THERE IS A PROVISION IN  THIS CODE THAT STARTED TO GET  READ OUT LOUD AND STOPPED  LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MAY REGULATE  THE PARKING OF STORAGE IN  HEAVY EQUIPMENT AT THE  BUSINESS WHICH IS VISIBLE FROM  THE STREET IN NEIGHBORING  PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHERE THEY  STOPPED AND STAFF SAID THAT  YES WE REGULATE THAT. BUT IT  GOES FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS  PARAGRAPH THE TERM HEAVY  EQUIPMENT MEANS COMMERCIAL.  INDUSTRIAL OR AGRICULTURAL  VEHICLES EQUIPMENT AND  MACHINERY.  SO CAN WE POSSIBLY REGULATE.  THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES  BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT  THESE ARE. INDIVIDUAL  PRIVATELY OWNED LOT TO LET'S  SAY 3 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES  SLASH EQUIPMENT.  >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT  THE DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL  UNDER THE STATUTE, I LOOKED IN  THE OTHER DEFINITIONS. THERE'S  NO DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL.  YOU KNOW VEHICLE OR COMMERCIAL  HERE SO WE HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE  IF THERE'S ANY OTHER  DEFINITION OF MIGHT APPLY I  AGREE FROM JUST KIND OF A LAY  PERSON'S THE POINT I WOULD  CONSIDER THIS TO BE A  COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, BUT WE  WOULD HAVE TO YOU KNOW  RESEARCH AND CONFIRM THAT  THAT'S WE TREAT IT AND WE DO  HAVE A DEFINITION FOR  COMMERCIAL VEHICLES I BELIEVE  IN AN OUTCOME WHICH WOULD  PROBABLY NEED TO BE CHANGED  BECAUSE IT GIVES MORE WEIGHT  LIMITS RATHER  >> THIS TYPE OF VEHICLE RATTEN  BAN IT BEING SOMETHING BECAUSE  THERE'S SIGNAGE ON.  >> YEAH AND YOU WANT TO  EVALUATE ITS ITS DIRECTORY  EARLIER UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES RIGHT BECAUSE YOU  HAVE SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT A  BUSINESS AND KNOW THEY THEY  DRIVE WORK FROM HOME AT NIGHT  AND IT'S IT HAS THE DETAILS  YOU KNOW IS SOMETIMES NUANCES  REQUIRE A WELL.  >> I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE  SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS THAT  RIGHT ORDINANCES DO SAY NO  MORE THAN COMMERCIAL VEHICLES  ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT IS  SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT  REGULATING. HOWEVER THOSE  UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WE DO  HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO  HAVE. RIO FOR MARCH COMMERCIAL  VEHICLES BASED THEIR PICKUPS  WITH A SIGN ON THE SIDE OR  SOMETHING LIKE THAT PARKED IN  THEIR DRIVEWAYS JUST LIKE  THEIR NEIGHBORS DO THE ONLY  DIFFERENCE IS AND SIGN ON  THERE.  >> THERE BEING COURSE THE  MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOME MANY  HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT 3  DIFFERENT BUSINESSES RIGHTS  FREEDOM. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF  THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES  THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DEAL YOU  KNOW.  >> MY HUSBAND'S TRUCK  ADVERTISING WE HAVE FIXED, BUT  WE DON'T HAVE 3 OF 4 OR 6 IN  THE SAME DRIVEWAY BECAUSE HE'S  THE ONLY ONE USING RIGHT. BUT  IF WE HAD OTHERS.  >> MAYBE THE.  >> THE POINT FIXED. BECAUSE  THESE ARE PERMANENTLY AFFIXED  I DON'T KNOW I JUST GRASPING  STRAWS BECAUSE. WHAT HAPPENS  IS. THIS GETS OUT THAT THIS IS  DONE AND THIS IS PERMITTED.  >> NOW YOU HAVE ANOTHER AND  ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE  AND ANOTHER ONE IT. I I HOPE  THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE A WAY  >> NAVIGATE THIS ESPECIALLY  SINCE THE STATE STATUTE DOES  GIVE US OUT BY SAYING HEAVY  INPUT. CITY ATTORNEYS ALWAYS  TAUGHT ME CONTINUE READING AS  HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND I  IMMEDIATELY THINK A CRANE OR  OR YOU KNOW AND THAT'S A WASTE  ROCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  BUT THIS IS SAYING ITS  COMMERCIAL.  ♪ SO  ♪ HOW DOES HAVE A. PROVISION FOR  COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AND IT'S  BASED ON WEIGHT.  >> HOW MANY PASSENGERS, IT'S.  DESIGNED TO CARRY  >> IT'S TRANSIT THINGS YEAH  SOMEONE TO SAY IN THERE. IT'S  SOMETHING DID NOT STARTED FROM  THE STATUTE FLORIDA STATUTE AS  DEFINITION OF COMMERCIAL  VEHICLE, BUT. WE WOULD HAVE  SOME PROBLEMS WITH PERMANENTLY  AFFIXED SIGNS. SURE ANYTHING  THAT HAS WORKED SIGN AND I MY.  >> MY ANTENNA STARTS GOING UP  ANYWAY. BUT THAT I I SO HE'S  BEEN US. MAXIMUM NUMBER OF  COMMERCIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE  ALLOWED TO BE PARKED ON A  RESIDENTIAL LOT.  >> THEY DEFINE COMMERCIAL  VEHICLES ANY VEHICLE THAT I  HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT.  >> IF THE VEHICLE IDENTIFIABLE  AS SOMETHING THAT'S USED IN  THE BUSINESS ARE COMMERCIAL  PURPOSES SO.  >> WE WOULD HAVE TO WE WOULD  HAVE TO REDEFINE LOOK AT OUR  CODES TO SEE WHAT DEFINITIONS  NEED TO BE CHANGED. AND WE MAY  NEED WANT MAY WANT TO CHANGE  THE WORDING SO THAT IT DOESN'T  CONFLICT WITH COMMERCIAL  VEHICLE.  >> DEFINITIONS IN STATUTE I  AGREE WITH THAT AND THE  PERMANENTLY AFFIXED  UNFORTUNATELY WOULD NOT WOULD  NOT WORK BECAUSE BEARING THE  BURDEN OF PROOF.  >> HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHETHER  SOMETHING IS A DECAL OR A  MAGNET FOR ONE AT STICK VERSUS  PERMANENT WITHOUT ACCESSING  THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION,  IT'S SCRATCHING ON EDGE OF  THIS TO TAKE THIS ONE STEP  FURTHER, I'M NOT GOING TO BE  HERE FOR THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE  SESSION SO I STRONGLY SUGGEST  THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE  THINGS THAT MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS. WELL A FOCUS ON  AND WORK WITH OUR STATE  ELECTED OFFICIALS TO SEE ABOUT  MENDING IT. THEY MAY NOT BE  AWARE. THE UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES THIS HAS AND I  PICTURES ARE WORTH 1000 WORDS  THAT THEY CAN GET YOU ALL CAN  SHARE WITH OUR STATE ELECTED  OFFICIALS HOWEVER THEY WILL BE  THIS IS ONE OF THOSE  UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHERE  THE STATE MUDDIES THE WATERS  FOR US LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AND  THINKS KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR  CITIES. I JUST MAYBE WE CAN  YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE  MOTIONS GOING TO LOOK BUT  MAYBE WE CAN HAS STAFF TO  REVIEW STATE STATUTE TO THE  PART I SAID HEAVY EQUIPMENT  NEEDS COMMERCIAL.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LINE YES,  THANK YOU FOR THAT  COMMISSIONER MC DOWELL AND I  LIKE THAT ANOTHER OPTION MIGHT  BE TELL ME IF I'M KILTER BUT  TO GET THE BUSINESS ASPECT IF  YOU HAVE ANY.  >> HOMEOWNER.  >> WHOSE STORING OR PARKING,  MULTIPLE VEHICLES ABOUT. 2 AND  TAKE SOME THAT. AND THEY'RE  USING A RESIDENTIAL LAUNCH  WHETHER ITS ADJACENT OR NOT TO  THEIR HOME. IF THE PURPOSE ARE  THEY USE OF THAT LOT IS THE  STORAGE OF VEHICLES PUT A  NUMBER ON THAT AND THEY'RE  REQUIRED TO I THE GARAGE OR  FOUND SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING  A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT OFFERS.  BUT I WHEN I KIND OF LOOK AT  THIS SITE FEW TREES ISN'T  GOING DO IT. NO I THINK IT  NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING A LITTLE  BIT MORE RESTRICTIVE.  >> AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.  THERE IS A HOUSE AND THEN THEY  HAVE A PROPERTY NEXT DOOR AND  THERE'S VEHICLES AND THOSE  SHIPMENTS OFFENSE TO I DON'T  WANT FENCES. BUT CERTAINLY  WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING BY IT IT'S  MORE COMPLIMENTARY TO A  RESIDENTIAL USE. AND IT IS A  BUSINESS YOU SO I'M WONDERING  IF WE MIGHT EXPLORE ADDING  SOME REGULATIONS REGARDING THE  USE RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR  STORAGE PURPOSES. PARKING  INDOOR STORAGE PURPOSES.  >> THAT WOULD LIKELY RUN WHEN  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A  REGULATORY APPROACH WHAT YOU  WOULD PROBABLY BE DOING IS  SAYING ANYTHING OVER X NUMBER  OF VEHICLES ON A RESIDENTIAL  LOT MUST BE GARAGE TO A FULLY  ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. AGAIN  WEARING. THAT MEANS THAT SAY  IF YOU IF YOU SAID THAT NUMBER  IT'S  AND 4. ANYTHING OVER 4 HAS TO  BE IN A GARAGE. THAT HAS TO  APPLY TO ALL RESIDENTIAL.  PROPERTIES WHICH MEANS THAT  PEOPLE ARE THEY'RE GOING TO  HAVE TO CLEAN THE GARAGE IS  OUT OR THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD  GARAGES ON SINGLE-FAMILY  QUARTER ACRE LOTS THEY WILL  NOT HAVE ROOM TO BUILD  ADDITIONAL.  >> STRUCTURED I'M WONDERING  SPECIFICALLY IF THE USE OF THE  RESIDENTIAL LOT IS EXCLUSIVELY  PARKING AND STORAGE. SO IT  WOULDN'T APPLY TO  >> WE CAN'T TREAT PART OF THE  LOT DIFFERENTLY THAN DEPOSITS  COME BY WHEN THE LOTS COMBINED  IT'S ONE LOT AND WE CAN'T SAY  YOU CAN'T LET IT USE HALF OF  YOU ARE LOT RENT. 4 O. THE  SAME THING YOU COULD USE ON  THE OTHER REST IT'S THE SAME  LOT. IT IS THE LOTS ARE. OUR  COMBINED THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT  BUT IT'S VERY EASY TO COMBINE  A LOT AND SO MOST PEOPLE WHEN  THEY HEAR YOU NEED TO COMBINE  A LOT THEY GO TO THE COUNTY  AND THEY GET IT DONE. SO I  THINK IT'S THOSE UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES THOUGH ANY  REGULATIONS THAT WE TRYING TO  ADDRESS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE  IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT  MORE PEOPLE THAT. ARE RUNNING  A BUSINESS OUT OF THEIR HOME  AND. AND UTILIZING THEIR  PROPERTIES LIKE THIS. I THINK  THAT THE EASIEST APPROACH.  PROBABLY WHAT. CITY OF VENICE  DID. LIMITING THE NUMBER OF.  VEHICLES ON A PROPERTY THAT  ARE UTILIZED FOR BUSINESS.  THAT'S THAT'S AN EASIER.  EASIER THING TO DO. WE DO HAVE  BUFFERING WE COULD REQUIRE  BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS FOR  OVER CERTAIN NUMBER OF  VEHICLES AREN'T IF YOU. THERE  THERE ARE SOME OTHER  APPROACHES BUT NONE OF IT'S  GOING TO BE EASY. THERE WILL  BE SOME ISSUES SUBJECTIVITY  THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO  GET OVER AND EQUAL APPLICATION  AND THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR ALL  OF THOSE RESIDENTS OUT THERE  WHO HAVE. 4 TEENAGE KIDS  THEY'VE ALL GOT CARS, THE  HUSBANDS GOT A BUSINESS TRUCK  GET YOU KNOW, GOT A TRAILER  THAT. GOES WITH THE BUSINESS  TRUCK THAT GOT A BOAT AND YOU  KNOW THE WHY SCOTT CARD'S IT'S  GOING TO GET IT WILL GET MESSY  VERY QUICKLY AS FAR AS TRYING  TO APPLY IT EQUALLY.  EVERYTHING ELSE I I COULD MAKE  A MOTION WHEN THAT RED YOU  KNOW WHAT. TRYING TO KILL  PEOPLE. HOW MANY VEHICLE SAY  CAN PARK ON THEIR PROPERTY.  FLIPPING RESIDENTIAL  COMMERCIAL.  >> REALLY START GET INTO THE  AREA PROPERTY RIGHTS AND TO ME  THIS WHOLE ISSUE WAS AN ISSUE  BECAUSE SO. NEIGHBORS. A  PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY'RE  SEEING. SO TO ME. APPROACH TO  TAKE WOULDN'T BE TO TRY TO  LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES  PICTURE HERE WE ARE A CITY.  AND OVER.  >> 7575, NEW BUSINESSES LAST  QUARTER AND PAST QUARTER,  ANOTHER 71. PROBABLY 75% OF  HOME BASED BUSINESSES. WHAT  MESSAGE DO WE SEND POLICE  PEOPLE LIKE DON'T MOVE THE  PORT CHARLOTTE THEM WITH THE  PUNTA GORDA MOVE SOMEWHERE  ELSE THEY WILL. YEAR AND THAT  HURTS OUR ECONOMY AS WELL JUST  THE SOLUTION TO ME IS NOT  SAYING YOU CAN ONLY PART 3  COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON YOUR  PROPERTY IT'S THAT IF YOU HAVE  3 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR MORE  YOU'VE GOT PUT UP A FENCE OR  YOU'VE GOT TO PUT UP YOU'VE  GOT LOCKETT'S YOUR NEIGHBORS  DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TO ME  THAT'S THE APPROACH RATHER  THAN TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE  WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR OWN  PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE NUMBER  OF VEHICLES SAY WE WANT TO  ENCOURAGE. I MEAN IT'S THE WAY  IN THE FUTURE THAT YOU CAN'T  DENY THAT SOCIETY IS MORE AND  MORE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES AND  GOING TO STOP THAT. AND SO HOW  DO YOU DEAL WITH IT YOU KNOW  IF YOU GET TOO RESTRICTIVE.  ALL WE'RE GOING TO DO. IT'S  CHASE PEOPLE AWAY THEY'RE  GOING TO SAY I YOU KNOW I'M  NOT GOING TO ABLE TO STRUGGLE.  SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SHOT THEM  WHAT WE WANT THE U.S. TO THAT  QUESTION I THINK IT'S AS YOU  SAY IT YOU GOT 3 OR MORE. YOU  KNOW 5 FEET SHRUBBERY ALONG  THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF YOUR  PROPERTY THERE SO THAT NOBODY  GETS TO LOOK AT THAT GOALS. I  MEAN I YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE  A GREAT RESOURCE TO OUR  STABILITY OUR CONTRIBUTOR,  THEY CREDIBLE. PART OF OUR  CITY AND YOU KNOW WE WANT TO  CHASE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT OUT I  DON'T THINK SO. BUT AGAIN  THAT'S SMYTH INC.  >> I'M FROM JUST FROM  ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT. WE'RE  HAPPY OCCASION. POINT. IF  SOMEONE.  >> HAS.  >> 6 VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY  AND THEY'RE NOT USED IN  BUSINESS WITH YOU ALSO REQUIRE  THE BUFFER.  >> IF LET ME PUT IT WAY.  >> IF THERE WERE REQUIREMENT  LEGALLY TO BE CONSISTENT AND I  SAY YES LOOKING 6 VEHICLE  SITTING SOMEONE'S FRONT HE'S  JUST AS MUCH A EYESORE IS  LOOKING 6 ELECTRICAL PICKUPS  WE OF THE TRUTH IS YOU KNOW  IT'S AN EYESORE REGARDLESS OF  WHAT IT IS NOBODY WANTS TO  SEE. 6 OR 8 CARS PARKED ON  SOMEONE'S. ON PROPERTY, IT'S  JUST YOU LOOK AT IT YOU GO GOD  WHAT A THEY HAVE TO LIVE A  QUESTION FOR ME SO SHE'S GOING  TO BE CONSISTENT BE AT LEAST  YOU'RE DEALING WITH WHAT THE  REAL ISSUE IS WHICH IS JUST  THAT IT'S ON THE PROBLEM.  >> YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO  LOOK AT THE NEIGHBOR I DON'T  WANT TO SEE AND IF YOU WANT  THOSE VEHICLES WHETHER THEY BE  RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL  VEHICLES.  >> COLE.  >> YOU KNOW IT'S PUTTING YOUR  PULL OUT YOUR FRONT I WANT TO  SEE EVERYBODY RUNNING AROUND  IT'S GOOD NEWS JUMPING IN AND  OUT OF THE POOL, NOT REALLY.  BACK DOOR NO ONE HAS TO LOOK  AT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW I'M  JUST YOU KNOW WE'RE HERE.  TALKING BUT REALLY SEE ANY  ACTION THAT WE COULD TAKE ON  THIS.  >> THIS POINT PUT YOUR LAND  AND HAS RELIED YOU WANT  COMMENT. I WAS GOING TO  SUGGEST A MOTION. ANYONE HAS  BEEN AT IT THAT. THAT'S RIGHT.  WAS ANYTHING OUT TO. THE DO WE  HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. WHAT  IT.  >> UNKNOWN, I'M THE LADY AND  MY HUSBAND THAT LIVE ACROSS  FROM THIS.  >> MESS. AND HE STARTED OUT  WITH 2 VEHICLES. 2 O. AND HIS  BUSINESS GREW AND THEN HE CAME  TO 6. AND IT CAME TO 8. NOW  WOODS 9 PLUS 2 TRAILERS.  PEOPLE IN AND OUT EVERY SINGLE  MORNING. THE NOISE IS  HORRENDOUS. WE JUST BOUGHT A  HOUSE BRING KNOW IN 2016. IT  LOOKS LIKE. YOU KNOW WHAT.  IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME AS A TAX  PERCENT. THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT  THAT EVERY TIME I BROUGHT MY  FRONT DOOR IT THAT HE NEEDS TO  BE AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, NOT A  RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I GOT TO  DO CHECK AND SEE HOW MANY  PEOPLE PLACE. YOU CAN FIND  THAT OUT IT'S 10 NOBODY IN HIS  IN HIS OWN WORKS THERE. WE CAN  SEE IT EVERY DAY. IT'S  RIDICULOUS. IT'S JUST READ  EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO MY  HOUSE WHETHER IT FOR  CONDITIONING THE TURNAROUND  FOR THAT. WHAT IS THIS. OK NOW  WE GET FLOODING BECAUSE HE'S  GOT CEMENT NOW WE HAVE  FLOODING ON OUR ON OUR STREET.  NOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN  WHEN A HURRICANE COMES. IT'S  RIDICULOUS. IT'S JUST REALLY  AND THAT'S JUST I TOOK  PICTURES THIS MORNING OR LATE  YESTERDAY SEMIFINAL. THE  MORNING IN AND WAS LIKE A  7.30. SO WHATEVER WAS TOLD  ABOUT IT'S JUST A COUPLE HERE,  BUT TH'S NATURAL I'M THEIR  GUY I'VE GOT TONS OF PICTURES  AT MY HOME. IT EVERY DAY THE  GUYS FROM PARK, THEY'RE  TRAPPED. THEY TAKE THEIR  TRUCKS AND MAIKEL IT'S ALL  ABOUT THAT'S NOT COUNTING ALL  THE DELIVERIES THAT COME ALL  DAY. AND THEN PARKING THAT  PARKING ON THE STREET YES,  THEY DO. HOW MANY TIMES THEY  PARKED IN FRONT OF MY MAILBOX  QUEST GET CAN GET TO THE MAIL.  SO NO THIS IS ACCEPT IT'S NOT  I'VE TALKED HIM AND I HAD A  CONVERSATION. HE WAS VERY  QUIET. I WAS GOING PLAY  BRYANT. I'M REAL HAPPY THAT  YOU ARE DOING WELL YOUR  BUSINESS AND TO GET. BUT  YOU'RE TOO FOR RESIDENTIAL  AREA AND HE SAID HIS WORDS  THERE AND LOOKING FOR A PLACE  THAT WAS 2 YEARS AGO. 2 YEARS  WELL. SO IT'S NOT FAIR TO ME,  IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE  THAT COME TO MY HOUSE THEY  CAN'T GET OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY  BECAUSE HIS VEHICLES THAT ARE  SOMETIMES ON THE STREET WAY TO  AND THEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE  HOW MY HOUSE. IF I WANT TO  SELL MY HOUSE WHO'S GOING TO  BUY MY HOUSE. BECAUSE THEY GOT  A LOOK AT AND THAT'S IS THE  GOD'S TRUTH. IT'S EYESORE IT  LOOKS TERRIBLE AND THERE'S TOO  MUCH TRAFFIC. WAY TOO MUCH  TRAFFIC FOR WE'VE BECAUSE IT  WAS SO NICE AND.  >> WHILE.  >> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PARKING  SITUATION WITH THE ULDC  REWRITE BECAUSE PAY ATTENTION  TO IT. MY LASER FOCUS WAS THE  REZONING WHEN YOU'RE REZONE  THE CITY YOU'RE GOING TO BE  DOING ALL THOSE MAJOR ROADS  CHAMBERLAIN. NIGHT CRANBERRY  WAS GOING NORTH TO SOUTH  THEY'RE ALL GOING TO DO PLEX  GOING TO DUPLEXES ON THAT WERE  HERE YOU GO NOW YOU'RE GOING  TO HAVE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES  AND THOSE DUPLEXES AND THE  AMOUNT CARS THAT ARE GOING TO  BE PARKED THERE. YOU ALSO HAVE  THOSE SMALLER NEIGHBORHOODS  THAT ARE GOING TO BE REZONED  TO MIX USE ONE PROTOCOL.  INTEGRATION COMMERCIAL ON THE  BOTTOM MULTIFAMILY ON THE TOP  WHAT'S THE PARKING GOING TO BE  LIKE THAT. YOU'VE GOT THE  LATEST NUMBERS ON ITS TOTAL  WHAT 2,500 BUSINESSES IN  PORT HALF OF THEM ARE  HOME-BASED SO WE CONTINUE TO  LIKE WE'RE GROWING AND THOSE  ON BASE BUSINESSES INCREASE.  THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A  LOT MORE HOME-BASED HELP ME IN  AS SOON AS LLC GOES I DID IT  THE WRONG WAY. I WANT TO BE  ONE HOME-BASED BUSINESS COMING  IN ME THE MARCH OR APRIL. SO  THAT'S WHY. THANKS. THANK YOU.  THAT'S OK.  >> ALL RIGHT THOSE PUBLIC  COMMENT. SO.  >> SO WE A MOTION. SEE IF I  CAN GET ONE TO FLY. THAT WE RE  A DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO WORK  WITH STAFF TO BRING BACK A  REVISED PARKING. ZONING BUT  WHAT IF THE CALL A REVISED  HARKIN. REGULATION OR WHATEVER  THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS.  THAT. EFFECTIVELY ADDRESSES  THIS ISSUE.  >> WITHOUT GETTING BIG LEGAL  SAY YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION  OF HOW WE CAN. CONTROL OUR  PREVENT THIS KIND OF A  SITUATION. A SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION. OUT THAT YOU WANT  TO DISCUSS DISCUSS ARE THE 2.  >> SAY WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE  FLOOR ALL THAT  >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION I DON'T  KNOW WHAT IT PARK GOT  >> I HAD TO DIRECT CITY  MANAGER TO WORK WITH STAFF TO  BRING BACK REVISE PARKING  REGULATION THAT EFFECTIVELY  ADDRESS SINCE HOME-BASED  RESIDENTIAL PARKING ISSUES.  HOME-BASED BUSINESS,  RESIDENTIAL PARKING ISSUES.  OK. OKAY WAS THE MOTION MADE  BY.  >> COMMISSIONER LINE IN A  SECOND BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL THAT YOU WANT TO.  SPEAK TO THAT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> I CAN GO ALONG WITH THE THE  MOTION I THINK BECAUSE HOW THE  CITY CLERK RESTATED THE MOTION  MADE MY MY DISCUSSION POINTS  KIND OF. BUT AT THE SAME TIME  THERE WAS DISCUSSION FROM  STAFF USING VENICE'S CODE I  DON'T KNOW WANT TO ADD THAT TO  THE MOTION. AS A GUIDE. SO  THAT WE THEN THEY AT LEAST  HAVE A STARTING AND I ALSO  DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO PUT  A TIMELINE ON THIS TO SEE IF  MAYBE BROUGHT BACK WITHIN 6  MONTHS SO THAT WITHIN THE  UNDERSTAND A SENSE OF URGENCY.  AS OPPOSED TO HEY WE'LL GET TO  IT WHEN WE GET DONE WITH  EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE QUEUE.  I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHY I  WANTED TO SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION AND FEEL OUT THE  MOTION MAKERS TO MY POINTS OF.  >> I'M ALWAYS RELUCTANT TO  GIVE A TIMEFRAME ON SOMETHING  LIKE THIS IT WOULD BE  TERRIFIC. IF IT COULD COME  BACK TO US WHEN WE VOTE ON THE  ULDC REWRITE I KNOW THE TIME  FOR THAT IS REALLY SHORT SO  I'M LOOKING FOR A DIRECTOR TO  GIVE US SOME LEVEL OF EFFORT  AND TIMING FOR DOING SOMETHING  LIKE THIS.  >> I'M CONSIDERING WHAT.  >> AND WE HAVE ON OUR PLATE  RIGHT NOW. I'M BRINGING IT  BACK.  >> IN CONJUNCTION WITH ULDC  MAY CAUSE ME TO RUN ON  ♪ >> TRACK.  >> I SUSPECTED THAT WOULD BE  YOUR HONESTLY.  >> WE'RE KIND JUST SET UP A  NEW DIVISION, I'M WORKING ON  OTHER CHANGES WITHIN THE  DEPARTMENT AND WE'RE TRYING TO  GET AND OUR FOCUS IS ON THE  ULDC WHICH. ONCE AN ALLY IS  NOT JUST THE ULDC WE'RE HAVING  TO COMPLETELY REWRITE THE  FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT OF  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ADOPT  THE ULDC. WE ARE. YOU CAN  SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE ANY  ADDITIONAL BANDWIDTH RIGHT SO  MY. SINCERE REQUEST BE TO GIVE  US A CHANCE TO GET THAT  BEFORE. I HAVE TO BRING THIS  BACK TO YOU. IT'S JUST IF I  COULD IF I CAN HUMANLY DO IT I  ABSOLUTELY WOULD. BUT WE ARE.  WE ARE STRETCHED HAS BEEN AS  WE CAN POSSIBLY DARK.  >> AND AND I'M OKAY WITH. NOT  GIVING YOU A DAY IN THE MOTION  JUST CITY MANAGER UNDERSTANDS  THAT EVERY WEEK ON OUR ONE ON  ONE I'M GOING TO BE ASKING  WHERE IT'S LAST SO THAT THE  HAD  >> AND I WOULD BE RELUCTANT I  WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO PUT.  ANY SPECIFICS ON HOW TO DO IT  LIKE ADDING VENICE THE MOTION  YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THE LOCAL  THEY GET AWAY SHUNS ON YOUR  RIGHT POSSIBLY BRING SOME  OPTIONS TO YOU WITH THE  PRESIDENT WAS EACH OF THOSE  KEEPING IN MIND I NEVER WANT  TO ADOPT SOMETHING I CAN'T  ENFORCE AND I HAVE TO DO WITH  THE ENFORCEMENT END OF THAT  WELL. SO I WILL ONLY BRING  OPTIONS TO YOU THAT. CAN BE  ENFORCED. I WILL WORK WITH THE  CITY TURNS OFFICE TO MAKE SURE  THAT ANY AND THAT WE DO LOOK  THAT CAN BE LEGALLY SUPPORTED.  AND THEN BRING HIS OPTIONS 2  MEN YOU WOULD DO THAT  ABSOLUTELY WAY I SAW WAS A  REGULAR COURSE OF EVENTS SO I  DON'T THINK WE WOULD NEED TO  ADD THAT AND CAN ASSURE YOU  THAT I WILL BRING TO YOU AS  QUICKLY AS I POSSIBLY CAN I  WON'T SIT ON IT THAT  NECESSARILY. BUT WITH WITH  WHAT WE HAVE PLANTS RIGHT IT'S  SIMPLY SOMETHING WHAT ELSE  WOULD HAVE TO GET AND I  CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE  THE ULDC WHICH WE'VE ALL BEEN  WORKING SO HARD TO GET AND I  KNOW I PROMISED YOU KNOW ON  THE RABBIT I THINK THAT'S PART  OF THE REBELS I MEAN THAT FROM  US SO. OK, THANK YOU I'M HAPPY  WITH MY MOTION AS IT STANDS. I  DON'T KNOW HOW MY SECOND ARE  FIELDS, SECONDED IT FOR  DISCUSSION WE CAN TAKE THE  >> ALL RIGHT SO THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE LET'S VOTE ON  THAT.  >> AND THAT PASSES 4 TO ONE  WITH. MERGE DISSENTING TO DO  WANT TO.  >> I MEAN, YEAH JUST  MOMENTARILY I JUST DIDN'T WANT  ADD ANY UNDUE STRESS ON TO  THEY ALREADY I WOULD MUCH  RATHER BROUGHT THIS BACK ON  THE COMMISSION ON THE DIET MAY  BE 6 MONTHS FROM NOW REACTION  TO DISCUSS THE WHOLE PARKING  ORDINANCE BECAUSE  ♪ WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF BLACK  OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE CALLING  US IN H.O.A. NOT BEING ABLE DO  THIS DO THAT RATHER DISCUSS IT  IN THE HOLE RATHER THAN  PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. SO  THAT'S MY OPINION THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU FOR  SITTING HERE ALL WAITING FOR  THIS ITEM TO COME UP. I WILL  APOLOGIZE FOR THAT THAT'S  THAT'S HOW THINGS GO BUT THANK  YOU FOR MAKING A COMMENT. AND  WAITING FOR THAT.  >> LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM  >> 24 DASH 0, 4, 1, TO  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  TO AMEND COMMISSION NUMBER  2021 DASH 0, 5, SECTION. TO  >> COMMISSION MEETINGS.  >> SCHEDULES NOTICES AND  AGENDAS CITY MANAGER.  >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER  TO SHOULD ABOUT THIS WAS MADE  BY COMMISSIONER RIGHT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. ALL  RIGHT SO. IT IS 5 O'CLOCK. I  UNDERSTAND  WE MEET TWICE A MONTH. THIS IS  A RELATIVELY EASY SUBJECT I  CAN MAKE 2 HOPEFULLY MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS HAVE READ THE  BACKUP MATERIALS. THERE'S A  COUPLE OF THINGS IN HOW WE SEE  THE COMMISSION POLICY THAT  RELATES TO MEETING AGENDAS.  SPECIFICALLY. AND. IF I CAN  GET THE AUTHORIZATION TO WORK  WITH THE CITY CLERK TO ADDRESS  THE FOR ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED  IN LEGISLATIVE BRING BACK A  POLICY FOR CONSIDERATION FROM  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I  THINK THAT WOULD BE THE  EASIEST WAY TO GO. BECAUSE  MOST OF IT HAS TO DO WITH  THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY  HAPPENING. ONE OF THEM IS THE  CITY MANAGER JUST KIND OF  REVIEW WHAT THOSE 4 BULLET 2  POINT ARE THE CITY MANAGER HAS  REQUESTED THAT ALL OF THE  COMMISSION'S AGENDA ITEMS BE  GIVEN TO THE CITY THAT WE JUST  NEED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE.  THE SECOND ONE ADDING THAT IF  COMMISSIONER. CREATES AN  AGENDA ITEM TO BE PLACED ON  THE AGENDA THAT IT  AUTOMATICALLY PLACED ON THE  AGENDA. THE OTHER ONE THE  COMMISSION POLICY DOES NOT  GIVE A DEADLINE FOR COMMISSION  AGENDA ITEM SO MAYBE THEY CAN  WORK WITH CITY CLERK TO COME  UP WITH DEADLINE FOR THAT TO  BE INCLUDED AND THEN LAST BUT  NOT LEAST THERE IS NO POLICY  THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES HOW A  CHARTER OFFICER WANTS TO PUT  SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.  GRANTED CHARTER OFFICERS  PRETTY MUCH JUST PUT THEM ON.  BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF A  ANOTHER CHARTER OFFICER SAYS  NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS  IT AT THIS POINT. THAT MAY NOT  BE IN A VERY WISE DECISION SO.  IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME WITH  THAT LITTLE BULLETED. I THINK  IT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY, I  COULD WORK WITH CITY CLERK TO  AND  ♪ CITY ATTORNEY TO BRING  SOMETHING BACK. IT WOULD HAVE  TO GO THROUGH THE ADOPTION  PROCESS. AND THEN YOU WOULD  SEE WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE. SO  I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT  THERE. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> I'M INCLINED TO SAY YES I  MEAN IT'S I.  >> I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT  ALL YOUR CHANGES ARE SO I  DON'T FEEL VERY WELL EQUIPPED  TO DISCUSS THAT AT THIS POINT  EXCEPT YOU DID MENTION HAVING  OUR AGENDA TOPICS. IF IT COMES  FROM A COMMISSIONER TO  AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE  AGENDA. SOME OF OUR TOPICS  PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THAT WE  BRING FORWARD, OTHERS REALLY  REQUIRE STAFF TIME. AND. I  DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF  TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO  DISCUSS ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES  STAFF AND PUT AND FOR STAFF TO  NOT BE READY. TO DELIVER THAT  AND PUT SO JUST BASED ON ONE  ITEM.  >> I WOULDN'T BE SUPPORTIVE OF  THAT BUT I CERTAINLY BE OPEN.  TO REVIEWING ANY CHANGES TO  THAT POLICY THAT YOU WOULD  LIKE TO MAKE. OKAY  COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> I HATE FOLLOWING QUESTION  OF THAT POINT THAT I ADAM  ATTIC ON THE AGENDA. BECAUSE  THE STAFF TIME AND BEING ABLE  TO RESEARCH WHATEVER WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT BUT.  >> IN THE BIGGER OF THINGS I  HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH.  >> AGENDA'S GOING FORWARD. SO  FAR SO. WHICH SENIORS IN PLACE  I WOULD.  ♪ ♪ IT'S NOT GROW.  >> I ALWAYS LIKE AUNT FIRST  COAST NOW I GOT TO JUST ECHO  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  COMMENTS. I REALLY YOU KNOW  AGAIN IT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY  PROBLEM WITH WITH THE PROCESS  THE WAY IT IS AND THE MOST  TELLING POINT WAS WAS.  COMMISSIONER LANKANS AGENDA  ITEMS REQUIRE STAFF AND PUT A  REQUIRED RESEARCH  COMMISSIONERS BE ABLE TO JUST  SIMPLY INSTRUCT CLERK'S OFFICE  TO LIKE PUT THIS ON THE  AGENDA. IT'S GOING TO CREATE  SO MANY ITEMS GET PULLED AND  YANKED BECAUSE STAFF ISN'T  READY. REVISITING ISSUES YOU  KNOW AGAIN LIKE CHEST. IF  AIN'T BROKE. FIX SO I WOULD  NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANYTHING  THAT I SEE NO REASON CHANGE  WHAT WE'VE GOT WORK IN MY  ESTIMATION WORKING ANYWAY.  OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> NO OPEN THE DOOR SO I'M  WALKING THROUGH IT. IT IS  BROKE. I HAVE PLACE ITEMS ON  THE AGENDA ONLY TO HAVE THE  CITY MANAGER SAY NO. AND IT  DID NOT REQUIRE ANY STAFF TIME  BECAUSE I CREATED THE AGENDA  ITEM. AND IT WAS FOR  DISCUSSION VERY SIMILAR TO  WHAT COMMISSIONER LANGDON DID  SHE PUT THE AGENDA ITEM ON TO  DISCUSS THE PARK. THIS WAS  DONE AS A COMMISSION BODY. SHE  CREATED THE AGENDA. SHE HAD  PUT ON THE AGENDA WE DISCUSSED  IT.  >> THEN WE.  >> DETERMINE IF WE WANT STAFF  TO EXPEND TIME. BY NOT  ALLOWING THE COMMISSIONER TO  HAVE AGENDA ITEM YOU ARE  ACTUALLY IMPEDING THAT  SPECIFIC COMMISSIONERS ABILITY  TO DO THEIR JOB. AND FOR THEIR  CITIZENRY. SO I I I UNDERSTAND  THAT YOU ALL FEEL IT'S NOT  BROKE. BUT UNTIL YOU GO TO PUT  AN AGENDA ITEM ON YOUR TOLD NO  AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S  BROKE. THE AGENDA IS HOURS TO  APPROVE AND NOT APPROVE. THE  CITY MANAGER. I UNDERSTAND IS  IN CHARGE OF THE STAFF'S  AGENDA ITEMS ABSOLUTELY  WITHOUT QUESTION HE HAS THAT  AUTHORITY. BUT THE QUESTION  COMES INTO PLAY IS SHOULD THE  CITY MANAGER BE ABLE TO SAY NO  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL IS NOT  ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT THIS  ITEM ON THE DAY THAT SHE WANTS  TO. OR OR NO SHE'S NOT GOING  TO KNOW ON THAT PUTTING IT ON  THE AGENDA AT ALL. I DON'T  FEEL THAT THAT IS PART OF HIS  WORLD OR ANY CHARTER OFFICERS  ROLE. THAT IS WHY I WAS  LOOKING TO ADD THE  AUTOMATICALLY TOO. DISCUSSION  AND TO THE POLICY. BECAUSE.  GOING RIGHT DOWN TO A CHARTER  OFFICER, YOU KNOW IF A CHARTER  OFFICER SAYS HEY YOU KNOW WE  NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND IT  MIGHT BE ABOUT ANOTHER CHARTER  OFFICER YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO  BE TOLD NO. IT'S A DOESN'T  MAKE FOR TRANSPARENT IN GOOD  GOVERNANCE SO MY MY MY REQUEST  IS TO WORK WITH THE CITY  ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK TO  BRING SOMETHING BACK AND THEN  HAVE YOU VET IT IT. IT'S I  DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MAKE I  HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT  THIS AUTOMATIC, BUT I HOPE  YOU'RE ALSO HEARING. WHAT I AM  SAYING.  >> AS MAYOR WELL I WOULD SAY  THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE A  SCENARIO WHERE UNLESS THERE  WAS A A LOGICAL REASON CITY  MANAGER WOULDN'T AGREE  SOMETHING PUT BRUSH FORCED TO  GO ON THE AGENDA AND ANY  COMMISSIONER IF THEY ARE  DENIED THAT RIGHT HAVE ABILITY  TO BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION.  AND HAVE THE COMMISSION VOTE  ON WHETHER OR NOT. AGENDA ITEM  SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE  AGENDA. SO AGAIN. I SEE THE  PROBLEM. I I DON'T I MEAN I  CAN'T ENVISION A SCENARIO  WHERE CITY MANAGER JUST SAYS  TO A COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW I  JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE  TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK  ABOUT I'M GOING TO LET YOU DO  I JUST DON'T THAT'S NOT  REALITY. THAT'S JUST NOT THERE  ARE REASONS WHY.  >> SOMETHING MIGHT TAKE AN  EXTRA 2 WEEKS OR MONTHS  BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BRING AN  EDUCATED  AND INTELLIGENT DIALOGUE, IT'S  GOING TO REQUIRE SOME DEGREE  WORK SO JUST STILL DON'T SEE  IT.  >> MANAGER.  >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR  JUST SO THIS IS ROAD BECAUSE  ONE PERSON DOESN'T LIKE THE  WAY THE SYSTEM IS WORKING ITS  PINTEREST AREA WORKING FOR  YEARS ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW IT'S  BROKE TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY  ABOUT THE IRISH'S RECORD  SAYING SHE WANTED TO ITEM ON  THE AGENDA THAT DISCUSSED  IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ULDC  PROCESS WHICH IS A STAFF  RELATED OPERATING FUNCTION.  OUR TEAM WAS PLANNING ON  BRINGING A CHAPTER FORWARD  WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOW IT NOT  ONLY TO PREPARE THAT CHAPTER 4  YOU WILL BE TOO UMBC  DISCUSSION. BUT ALSO FOR TO  GET FURTHER ALONG INTO WHERE  THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT.  IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THEY WERE  EVEN GOING TO BRING TO THE  COMMISSION TO THE PUBLIC. SO  THAT'S WHY I SAID UNITED THAT  SHE WANTED PUT ALL YOU NEED TO  TALK COMPANY WITH THAT  WORKSHOP TOPIC. AS IT RELATES  THE DENIAL OF CHARTER OFFICER  I DON'T THINK THERE ARE SEEING  A CHARTER OFFICER GET THE  NIGHT BEFORE. TONIGHT WILL BE  PLACED ON THE AGENDA. AND WHAT  YOU LEFT OUT OF COMMISSIONER  LANGDON EXAMPLE IS  COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAD A  CONCERN ABOUT PARKING IN SHE  BROUGHT IT TO ME AND WE WORK  THROUGH THE CONVERSATION AND  THE TIMING OF IT. IF YOU  DIDN'T SAY HEY IM MUST GO ON  THIS AGENDA. SHE WAITED TO  STAFF GOT HER THAT THE BACK  AND SHE WAS ABLE COPE A VERY  PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION WITH  YOUR COLLEAGUES. IF BEGIN TO  ALLOW A COMMISSIONER JUST THE  SUMMIT AGENDA ITEMS AND THEY  GO ON THE AGENDA. IT IS GOING  TO WIND IN YOUR MEETINGS THEY  WILL NOT MAKE YOU AS A PATIENT  AND IT WILL LEAD TO ONE  PERSON. I'M JACKIE.  >> THANK YOU CITY.  COMMISSIONER MIKE MCDOWELL.  >> SO I HAVE NEVER CITY  MANAGER TONIGHT AGENDA REQUEST  IN THE PAST. I EVEN ASKED A  FORMER CITY MANAGER HAVE YOU  CHECK TO COMMISSIONERS AGENDA  HE SAYS NO NOT IF I WANT TO  KEEP MY JOB. TROPICAL. I DON'T  HAVE IT'S NO SECRET I DON'T  HAVE THE SAME ATMOSPHERE  WORKING RELATIONSHIP THAT MY  COLLEAGUES HAVE WITH THE CITY  MANAGER. I DO HAVE TO WORK  KIND OF LIKE IN A BUBBLE  BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE  LUXURY OF HAVING A. VIABLE  DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION  ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS THAT I  WOULD LIKE THIS ONE. IN  PARTICULAR I FOR THE LIFE OF  ME I CAN'T REMEMBER THE FIRST  AGENDA ITEM THAT WAS REJECTED  ENTIRELY. BUT THIS ONE WAS  MORE SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT WAS  KIND OF TIME SENSITIVE THAT I  WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION  WITH YOU ALL ABOUT SO THAT WE  COULD GIVE THE CITY MANAGER  AND HIS STAFF FURTHER  DIRECTION AND IT DIDN'T JUST  INCLUDE THE CITY MANAGER. IT  INCLUDED THE CHARTER OFFICERS  AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AS PART  OF THE DISCUSSION AND  DIRECTION. SO I AM HEARING  THAT IT'S ONLY ME THAT HAS THE  PROBLEM UNTIL IT'S ONE OF FEW  OR ANOTHER COMMISSION. I JUST  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS  CLEAR. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT  ME. I'M TALKING ABOUT ONE  PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM THAT  PROMPTED ME TO SEEK BASED ON  THE CITY ATTORNEYS SUGGESTION  TO INCLUDE AND AND HAVE THIS  LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE  CLARIFIED. NOW IF I WAS TO  HAVE TO BRING BACK AN AGENDA  ITEM TO ASK MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS HEY CAN I HAVE  THIS ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS  JUST PLAIN WRONG ON SO MANY  LEVELS. BECAUSE THEN IT  BECOMES POLITICAL. AND IT JUST  MAKES NO SENSE TO CREATE AN  AGENDA ITEM TO HAVE A  DISCUSSION ABOUT PLACING  SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.  THAT'S A LOGICAL. I'M GOING TO  IF THE DISCUSSION IS FINISHED  AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT,  I'LL MAKE A MOTION I HAVE A  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. YOU  MORE. THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT  YESTERDAY STEPHANIE GIBSON.  >> LAST YEAR COMMISSIONER  SUBMITTED A PUBLIC RECORDS  REQUEST TO COLLECT A SPECIFIC  SET OF THE CMS E-MAIL  EXCHANGES TO SUPPORT UPCOMING  AGENDA ITEM TO THE CITY CLERK  DID NOT PRODUCE THE RECORDS  INSTEAD SHE INFORMED THE  COMMISSIONER THAT SHE WOULD BE  CHARGED FOR THE RESPONSE OF  DOCUMENTS BECAUSE IT WOULD  TAKE EXTENSIVE RESOURCES. SHE  DID SHARE WITH THE  COMMISSIONER THAT SHE COULD  SUBMIT AN AGENDA ITEM TO ASK  FOR AN OFFICIAL COMMISSION  DECISION. THE CITY CLERK  HUSTINGS BACKWARD SHE WORKS  FOR THE COMMISSION  COMMISSIONERS PR IS THAT  PROBLEMATIC AND SHE SHOULD PUT  IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA AND MAKE  THEIR CASE A PUBLIC SETTING AS  TO WHY OTHERWISE SHE SHOULD  NOT INSERT HERSELF INTO  PREVENTING A DULY ELECTED  COMMISSIONER FROM EXECUTING  HER OVERSIGHT DUTY OF CHARTER  OFFICERS IN A JUNE 2023. I  SUGGESTED THE CITY CLERK  CONSIDER DEVELOPING A POLICY  TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION AS IT  COULD EASILY BE CONSTRUED AS A  NUMBER OF GREAT POLITICAL MOVE  CONSIDERING THE TOPIC. I  ASSURE YOU I HOLD ALL  COMMISSIONERS TO THE SAME  STANDARD AND I AM CONFIDENT MY  CHOICES REGARDLESS OF THE  CIRCUMSTANCES. I HAVE NOT HAD  A COMMISSION OR SPEAK  REGARDING THE POSSIBLE NEED  FOR POLICY AT THIS TIME AT  SUCH TIME THAT FEEL WHAT IS  NEEDED I WOULD BE HAPPY TO  REVIEW A BROTHER CITY CLERK  APPEARS. TO HAVE FORGOTTEN SHE  PROVIDES A PUBLIC SERVICE. SHE  HAS NEVER REFUSED A COMMISSION  REQUEST IN THE PAST SO I'M  CURIOUS WHERE SUCH COMMENTS IS  DERIVED FROM. IT IS A  REASONABLE ASKED TO REQUEST A  WRITTEN POLICY TO INCLUDE  DOCUMENTING THE CRITERIA  PROCESS AS A CITIZEN I'M  REQUESTING THE BOARD PROVIDE  DIRECTION OF POLICY LANGUAGE  TO ADDRESS COMMISSION ARE  PUBLIC RECORD THANK YOU.  >> AND OK THANK YOU. ALL IS  THERE A MOTION. I MAKE TOO  OKAY.  >> I'M THE FIRST ONE I WILL  MAKE IS TO HAVE TO SEEK  APPROVAL TO WORK WITH THE CITY  CLERK.  >> AND SORRY FOR ME. TO BE  ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CITY  CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.  TO BRING BACK AN AMENDED  POLICY RELATING TO AGENDA  ITEMS AS OUTLINED IN THE  LEGISLATIVE TEXT ITEMS ONE  THROUGH 4. FOR CONSIDERATION.  I'LL SECOND THAT.  >> OKAY WE DO HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER CITY  CLERK AND YOU JUST REPEAT  THAT.  >> READING SOMETHING PROVE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO WORK  WITH THE CITY CLERK AND CITY  ATTORNEY TO AMEND POLICY  NUMBER 2021 DASH YOUR EYE  RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS. ONE  FOR 4 LISTED ON THE STAFF  SUMMER STAFF SOME GREAT FOR  COMMISSION APPROVAL AT A LATER  DATE.  >> I HAVE AN SORRY  >> THE WAY CITY CLERK READ  THAT. IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH WE  WERE GIVING AUTHORIZATION  COMMISSIONER MC DOWELL TO MAKE  THE CHANGES. SO IF YOU CAN  JUST GET A RECOMMENDED CHANGES  IN THERE. I'D BE COMFORTABLE.  IT ACTUALLY TO BRING BACK AND  WHAT I MEANT CHANGE FOR THE  COMMISSION I DIDN'T I DIDN'T  HEAR IT.  >> SET TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TO WORK WITH THE CITY  CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY TO  AMEND POLICY NUMBER 2021 DASH  0, 5 RELATING TO AGENDA ITEMS.  ONE THROUGH 4 LISTED IN THE  SUMMARY AND TO BRING BACK THE  RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO  COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE.  >> OKAY WE HAVE THAT SECOND  AND I COMMISSIONER LANGDON  OKAY SO THERE'S NOTHING  FURTHER.  THAT.  >> THAT FAILS 2 TO 3 MYSELF.  AND BITES MAYORS DO IT'S  SOMETHING. IS EVERYBODY  WANTED. IT READS IN CAN GET.  OKAY SO THAT'S TOO. ALL RIGHT.  LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM D 24  DASH 0, 4, 1, PORT. HE'S BEEN.  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  ON THE PROCESSES AND  PROCEDURES TO ADOPT THE ULDC  REWRITE. CITY MANAGERS IS  THERE SOMETHING TO INTRODUCE.  >> THANK YOU. MADAME MAYOR OF  THIS IS PRESENTED BY.  COMMISSIONER NOW OKAY. THANK  YOU.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  TAKEAWAY YEAH AND IN THE  ESSENCE OF TIME I AM GOING TO  ASK PUT MY COUNTER. BECAUSE I  DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS  DISCUSSION WILL TAKE I'M NOT  SURE IF IT WILL TAKE A HALF  HOUR TAKE OUR I JUST DON'T  KNOW. SO I AM GOING TO ASK.  >> TO THE MARCH 7TH.  >> MEETING.  >> I KNOW WE HAVE A SPECIAL  MEETING SCHEDULED AT 1 O'CLOCK  I DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW LONG  THAT DISCUSSION WILL TAKE  BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER  COMMISSION MEETING AT.  >> OR.  >> PLANNING AND ZONING HAS A  MEETING AT 9, BUT IT'S ONLY  BLOCKED OFF UNTIL 11 SO MAYBE  WE CAN CONVENE FOR AND EXTEND  THE COMMISSION MEETING. TO  START AT 11.  >> I.  >> DON'T WANT TO GO TOO LATE  TO WITH THIS DISCUSSION. BUT  AT THE SAME TIME IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT I BE ABLE TO  HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND  REGARDING THE ULDC AND HOW IT  IS ADOPTED. SO I I NEED HELP  FROM STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF  MARCH 7TH WILL WORK IF WE DO  IT RIGHT AFTER THE PLANNING  AND ZONING MEETING AT 11.  >> OR.  >> IF WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME AT 1  O'CLOCK MEETING. TO ADDED TO  THE AGENDA.  >> CITY CLERK HAS LIGHT ON.  >> WE DON'T HAVE FOR PLANNING  AND ZONING THAT'S OUT SOLID  CUT-OFF TIME FOR THEM GO UNTIL  THEY'RE ALL OF THE HARD JUST  EARLIER BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE  THAT I JUST STOPPED WALKED OUT  ON THE CALENDAR UNTIL 11.  >> DO YOU THINK THERE WOULD BE  ENOUGH TIME TO.  >> HAVE BOTH DISCUSSIONS AT 1  O'CLOCK TO HAVE BEEN ADDED TO  THE MEETING.  >> I MEAN WE CAN DO IT NOW.  NOW.  >> I BELIEVE THIS WAS CITY I  DO THAT YOU WANT TO START  TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND THE  TIME THAT'S ALL. SO WHAT WE  GET PAID FOR AND THE STAFF  MEMBERS NOT AVAILABLE ON THE  7TH, IF YOU DECIDE TO MOVE  INTO THE RIGHT SOMEONE JUST GO  AHEAD AND HAVE THAT AIR OF WE  CO CONVERSATION I AGAIN I WAS  TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF  AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON  WILL MOVE ON JUST KEEP ME THE  AND NOW ALL SORRY PETE ALL  RIGHT SO I NEED TO AT SO MY MY  DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE WE ARE  APPROACHING THE HOME STRETCH  OF THE ULDC REWRITE WE HAVE  MADE MANY STRIDES COMPARED TO  WHEN THEY FIRST CONSULTING  AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED BACK IN  2015.  >> BRING THE 2010 YOU SEE IT  SEEMS LIKE SO LONG AGO IT ON.  WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE WORKSHOPS  AND THE COMPLETION IS IN SIGHT  AND I HAVE TO THANK STAFF YOU  KNOW I'M SEEING LIGHT AT THE  END OF THE TUNNEL. IT'S  GETTING A LITTLE BIT BRIGHTER  IS HUGE DISCUSSION HAPPENS.  OVER THE PAST YEAR. I'VE HAD  MULTIPLE TOWN HALLS AND THE  ULDC REWRITE WAS THE BIGGEST  TOPIC DISCUSSED. ESPECIALLY  THE REZONING. I'M AT MY TOWN  HALLS IPAD BUILDERS AND  TESTERS AND REAL LEADERS,  DEVELOPERS PROPERTY OWNERS  CITIZENS. AND EVEN A FEW SPIES  TO SEE WHAT MY TIME BULLS WERE  ALL ABOUT.  >> BUT THE ONE THING THEY DID  HAVE IN COMMON IS FACING ONE  THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE  PROCESS. THE PURPOSE AND GET  SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT  THE PROJECT. I FELT THE TIME  WAS RIGHT TO HAVE A  CONVERSATION WITH MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS AT THE  COMMISSION MEETING. IT'S. I  UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S WEARY  ABOUT THE LONG ULDC RIGHT IN  THE TIME THAT WE'RE HAVING  THIS DISCUSSION DOESN'T HELP  THINGS. BUT WE HAVE TO GET  THIS ULDC REWRITE DONE AND  DONE CORRECTLY. I DO APOLOGIZE  TO MY PEERS FOR NOT HAVING A I  OUTLINE OF DISCUSSION POINTS.  I'M AVAILABLE TO YOU TO REVIEW  AHEAD OF TIME. I HAVE BEEN  TWEAKING THIS FOR PROBABLY THE  PAST SHOULD 6 MONTHS OR SO.  I'M SORRY 6 WEEKS OR SO. SO  I'M GOING TO PASS IT OUT.  THERE'S A FOR EVERYBODY. AND  THEY ARE IF IT'S OK WITH YOU  AND MY FOR BOARD MEMBERS. I'D  LIKE TO TAKE TAKE HUGE  DISCUSSION 0.1 A TIME. GIVEN  ME AN OPPORTUNITY INTRODUCE  EACH POINT AND THEN HAVE A  BOARD DISCUSSION. AFTER THAT  DISCUSSION I CAN GO AHEAD MAKE  A MOTION WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE  NEXT ITEM. AND I HOPE THIS  WILL HELP STREAMLINE THIS  AGENDA ITEM. I KNOW WHAT NEEDY  UTLEY WHEN YOU TURN THE PAGE  OVER YOU'RE GOING. OH MY GOD,  THERE'S SO MANY THINGS BUT HE  CAN DO RELATIVELY QUICKLY. SO  IF IT'S OK MAYOR I'LL JUST  DIVE RIGHT IN. AND WE'LL GIVE  IT A WHIRL. OKAY I JUST UP  POINT WHATEVER WE JUST HAD THE  DIRECTOR UP THERE SAYING THERE  THAT THEY ARE WORKING. ON THE  U OF STATE THEY HAVE A  TIMELINE SEPARATE FROM HOW  THIS IS SEPARATE THIS IS  COMPLETELY SEPARATE OKAY. IT  SAYS HERE TO ADOPT THE ULDC  REWRITE ENSURE A SMOOTH  TRANSITION TO MAKE SURE SOME  OF KIDS MY MY INITIAL QUESTION  IS THAT PART OF WHAT FIGURE  OUT SMOOTH TRANSITION KNOW  THEY DON'T BECAUSE I HAVE NOT  BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A  CONVERSATION WITH THEM ABOUT  SO THAT'S WHY THAT MENTIONED  IN THIS IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I  MEAN WHEN I SAY HERE.  >> SHE HAS THE DOCUMENTATION  THAT HAS SHE PROVIDED TO STAFF  COULD HAVE RESEARCHER  QUESTIONS TO PROVIDE THAT  ENSURE AN EFFICIENT MEETING  CAN PUT ON AND THEN WITH  INTENTIONALLY VAGUE AND NOW HE  HAS TO KEEP A DOCUMENT OF  QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED  TO SIT THAT GETS ON THE SPOT.  THAT'S WHAT I WHEN I TAKE OVER  MEETING NOTHING IS AWFUL. ON  THE BILL. THANK  >> AND THAT HIJACKING A  MEETING I AM TRYING TO HAVE A  DISCUSSION WITH MY COLLEAGUES  ABOUT MATTERS THAT ARE  IMPORTANT. AND I DOING IT TO  BENEFIT THE CITIZENS AND THE  PROPERTY OWNERS OF OUR CITY  AND I HAVE ASKED TO HAVE.  THESE TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS  OUTSIDE OF A WORKSHOP, BUT  THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN  FACILITATED SO I AM GOING TO  CONTINUE ON BECAUSE I HAD THE  BLESSING FROM THE BOARD AND  MAYOR IF I CAN GO THROUGH THIS  ITEM BY ITEM AND DISCUSSED  EACH ONE OF THESE BECAUSE IT'S  NOT JUST GIVING STAFF  DIRECTION CITY ATTORNEY  DIRECTION. AND THE FIRST ONE I  ALREADY SPOKE TO THE CITY  ATTORNEY ABOUT SHE SAID THAT  SHE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT  COMMISSION CONSENSUS AND AND  EMOTION. I KNOW THAT THE CITY  MANAGER IS. THINKING HIJACKING  THE MEETING AND THAT THIS  WOULD NOT BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE  MEETING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME  IF KEY. CAN GET THROUGH THIS  WE CAN GIVE HIM THE DIRECTION  FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH  WHAT IS NEEDED BECAUSE IF THE  CITY'S ATTORNEY COULDN'T DO  THE FIRST ONE. CITY MANAGER IS  NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THE  OTHERS WITHOUT THE COMMISSION  GIVING HIM DIRECTION TO MOVE  FORWARD WITH THESE. THESE  POSSIBLE MOTIONS. MAY I MOVE  ON.  >> YES, I JUST AND JUST  CLARIFY WHAT IS IT YOU'RE  EXPECTING TO GET FROM EACH ONE  OF THESE YOU CAN.  >> GOLFER HAS MOTION 101 OF  THEM TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER  SOME DARK HOW TO PROCEED OKAY.  I HAVE AN ISSUE.  >> OKAY GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY I  DIDN'T LIKE MY FORD  COMMISSIONER EMRICH. MY MAIN  CONCERN HERE IS. AND  UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE  COMING FROM YOU I WAS  DISCUSSION TOPICS. AND ISN'T  THIS ON THE PROCEDURE ON HOW  ARE GOING TO ADOPT THE ULDC  ISN'T THIS STAFF'S  RESPONSIBILITY AND ARE WE  GETTING INTO STAFF SWEDES BY.  >> TRYING TO DIRECT THAT WHAT  THEY'RE DOING AND TELL I MY  UNDERSTANDING IS STAFF IS  WORKING DILIGENTLY GOING TO  THE PROCESS MAKING SURE ALL  THE I'S ARE DOTTED THE T'S ARE  COVERED AND THEN BRING IT TO  ARE YOU GOING APPROVE OR DENY.  AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO  THE WEEDS TO MISTER OR MS.  TELL THEM. AND NOW YOU NEED TO  DO IT THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO  DO IT THAT WAY TO ME THAT  SHOWING THAT AS A BOARD WE  DON'T TRUST OUR STAFF TO DO  THE JOB THAT THEY'VE BEEN  INVOLVED IN FOR THE LAST FEW  YEARS AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH  THAT  ♪ ♪ I DON'T THE REST OF THE BOARD  CHILLS BUT. I THINK THE TIME  TO GO OVER THE ULDC IS ONE  STEP WITH PREPARE ONCE IS DONE  AND WHEN THEY COME IN THEY  PRESENTED TO US. THAT'S ALL  >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER I  HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS I I I SEE  STAFF WORK DATES THINGS ARE  GONNA COME BACK. I QUESTION  FOR STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF  IT'S FOR DIRECTOR ARE. HER  DEPUTY BUT EITHER AND AND MY  QUESTION REALLY IS.  >> WHEN WE.  >> DISCUSS THE.  >> FINAL. DRAFT OF THE ULDC IN  COMP PLAN CHANGES. I WOULD  ASSUME THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION  WOULD BE PART OF THAT  CONVERSATION AND MY DELUDED  ARE AM I CORRECT.  >> HEART THERE'S THERE'S 2  DIFFERENT. THANKS THERE'S  IMPLEMENTATION WHICH HAPPENS  AFTER ADOPTION. RIGHT AND  THERE'S OPTION.  >> ADOPTION WILL FOLLOW THE  STANDARD PROCESS FOR ADOPTION.  WE SEE. SO THAT'S NOT ANY  DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD DO ANY  OTHER ORDINANCE WE TAKE IT TO  THE PLANNING AND ZONING  ADVISORY BOARD RECKON THEY  SHOULD WE BRING IT TO THE  COMMISSION FOR TO RATINGS. IT  WILL HAVE A GAP BETWEEN THE  FIRST AND SECOND READING  BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEND A  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO STATE  REVIEW. AND THEN THEY WILL.  THAT TO US. WE HOPE THAT WE  GET THAT REVIEW FOR THE GUYS  WE DON'T KNOW THAT IF WE WILL,  BUT WE HOPE. AND THEN WE CAN  IT WILL COME BACK FOR. FINAL.  HEARING AND ADOPTION. WHEN IT  GOES TO THE PLANNING IS ON  BOARD IT WILL BE THE FULL  DOCUMENT. IT WON'T BE. AND  PIECES LIKE WE'VE BEEN  BRINGING IT TO DURING YOUR  REVIEW, IT WILL BE THE FULL  DOCUMENT. AND THE SAME FOR  FIRST AND SECOND READING. SO,  BUT THAT'S A STANDARD PROCESS  THAT THAT PROCESS DOESN'T  DEVIATE FROM ANY OTHER  ORDINANCE THAT WE WOULD ADOPT.  >> I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH  COMMISSIONER EMERICH I MEAN  THIS JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE  IT'S IN THE WEEDS. AND ITS  STAFF WORK AND AND WHEN IT  COMES BEFORE US I THINK IT  BEHOOVES ALL OF THE  COMMISSIONERS TO BE ABLE TO  ARTICULATE A CONCERN.  >> BUT THE PROCESS.  >> THIS AND I WOULD EXPECT  STAFF TO DO THIS. ANYWAY I'M  I'M MISSING SOMETHING.  >> COMMISSIONER WILL FOLLOW  ALL APPLICABLE.  >> COATS AND STATUTES AND  REGARDS TO ADVERTISING AND  HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS  FOR ALL OF THE ORDINANCE IS  ASSOCIATED. THE ULDC REWRITE  THE COMPANION CODE AMENDMENTS,  THE COMPANION CITY  CODE AMENDMENTS. WE HAVE A  FANTASTIC. LEGAL TEAM,  INCLUDING WEISER ROAD UP WHO  ARE OUTSIDE COUNSEL REVIEWING  THE UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT  CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT WILL.  THAT WILL BE PROCESSED IN  TANDEM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S  OFFICE WILL BE REVIEWING ALL  OF THE ORDINANCE IS ASSOCIATED  WITH THE ADOPTION. AS WELL AS  ALL OF THE COMPANION CITY  CODE. AMENDMENTS AND WE ARE  CONFIDENT WE ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE  AND UP IN OUR FIELDS THAT WE  CAN ALL OF THE PROPER  PROCEDURES UNDER ALL OF THE  APPLICABLE CODES AND STATUTES  BRING YOU FORWARD AND PROCESS  FOR ADOPTION AND IT LEGALLY  COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW WENT ABOUT  >> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU I WOULD  HAVE EXPECTED NOTHING LESS.  AND YOU KNOW IT.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH,  SO. WHAT. DISCUSSED. AT THE  APRIL 10TH WORKSHOP.  >> WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT  PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES I WAS  TOLD AND EVERYBODY WAS TOLD WE  WILL BE FOLLOWING STATE  STATUTE.  >> AND IF YOU I DON'T DISAGREE  WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE  STATUTE. BUT MY CONVERSATION  AND VOTE ITEM NUMBER ONE WAS  ASKING FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.  ♪ 2.  >> DO A LEGAL OPINION ABOUT  HOW WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR  REZONING CO. I MEAN WE OF  ♪ OUR DEVELOPERS.  I TOOK AN OATH TO MAKE SURE  THAT WE FOLLOW THE CODES AND  ORDINANCES OF THE CITY. THE  CONSTITUTION AND THE STATE  AND. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO  ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY HEY DO  WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE  SECTION ONE DASH 33. I NEED TO  FIND OUT WHY AND GET HER LEGAL  OPINION. THAT IS THE  BULLETPROOF BOTH POINT NUMBER  ONE.  >> WE WE HAVE.  >> I ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THE  STATE STATUTE IS CLEARLY A  MINIMAL. WHEN YOU READ  SUBSECTION 9 WE COMMISSION  IMPOSE OTHER REQUIREMENTS ON  THESE ADOPTIONS. AND AND AGAIN  I WILL REITERATE HAVE  RESPONSIBILITY. STILL SAME  ULDC REQUIREMENTS AS WE DEMAND  OF ANY DEVELOPER WHEN THEY  COME TO REZONE THE PROPERTY.  AND I REALLY FEEL THE CITY  ATTORNEY NEEDS TO WEIGH IN  ABOUT FOLLOWING THAT ULDC  CODE. SO THAT STAFF KNOWS HEY  WITH WE'VE GOT TO DO EXTRA  STEPS. THERE'S LIKE 15  DIFFERENT ITEMS ON THAT ULDC  CODE FOR REZONE. THESE ARE  SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT  TO DISCUSS I'M NOT TALKING  ABOUT. HOW IT'S GOING TO BE  IMPLEMENTED I WANTING TO  DISCUSS TO GET DIRECTION OF  WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE DONE FOR  LIGHTS ON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR WITH  RESPECT TO WHETHER OR NOT THE  CITY HAS TO FOLLOW ULDC CODE  SECTION ONE DASH 3, 3, IT.  THIS IS WHAT I SPOKE WITH THE  COMMISSIONER ABOUT OUR ONE ON  ONE WHEN SHE ASKED THIS  QUESTION AS WELL. THE ANSWER  IS IF YOU ARE ADOPTING A NEW  ULDC THEN YOU'RE TALKING NEW  CRITERIA. AND YOU AND SO YOU  ARE OVERRIDING YOU ARE  AMENDING THAT NOT A MATTER OF.  WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THEIR OWN  LAST A MATTER WE'RE CHANGING  OUR OWN. LAST SO I DON'T THINK  THAT'S A HERE WE ALSO DISCUSS  THE APPLICATION OF THE STATE  STATUTE AND THE TYPE OF NOTICE  THAT MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE  STATE STATUTE FOR REZONING THE  LANGUAGE IN STATE STATUTE,  IT'S IS PLAIN AND CLEAR AND  IT'S WHAT CITY INTENDS TO  FOLLOW AND YOU KNOW AS. IT'S A  MISS RAIN MISS BARNES WHO  STATED THAT THERE ARE  QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS  THEN WE WILL ADDRESS THOSE  OFFLINE HAS NOTHING EVERY TIME  WE LOOK AT ANY ISSUE BEFORE IT  COMES. BEFORE THE COMMISSION.  SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I DON'T  NEED ANY DIRECTION RELATED TO  ULDC SECTION ONE DASH 3, 3,  >> COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WHAT  WE HAD TALKED ABOUT CITY  ATTORNEY BECAUSE ONE DASH 3 IS  THE CURRENT LAW FOR  IMPLEMENTING REZONE AND  CURRENT LAW NEEDS TO BE  FOLLOWED.  >> AND THAT'S DON'T YOU  RESIGN. I THINK YOU'RE AM I I  SAID THAT'S WANT KNOW.  >> I'M NOT I'M SORRY NOT.  >> BUT AGAIN WHAT I WANT  RESTATE FOR THE ENTIRE BOARD  HERE IS THAT IT IS THE CITY IS  NOT GOING TO BE DOING A  REZONING UNDER THE CURRENT  ULDC WE'RE GOING TO BE  REWRITING THE ULDC AND  ADOPTING A NEW LAW AND WE WILL  RE ZONE UNDER THAT NEW ULDC  AND THAT IS WHAT I ADVICE AND  THE ONE ON AND THAT'S WHAT I  ADVISE THE BOARD HERE NOW THAT  IS CONSISTENT.  >> AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH  THE JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL A  LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND. WE  WILL BE BRINGING SEVERAL  DIFFERENT ORDINANCES BEFORE  THE COMMISSION. THE FIRST IS A  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT  ORDINANCE THE SECOND WELL  ADOPT.  >> THE ULDC.  >> LET'S ACCEPT CHAPTER 5  WHICH IS THE SIGN CHAPTER AND  THAT IS ON THE ADVICE OF OUR  OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO HAVE A  STANDALONE ORDINANCE OR THE  SIGN CHAPTER. WE WILL ALSO  HAVE IMPORTANT THAT THAT  ADOPTS.  >> THE ZONING MAP HER POST  WITH THE ULDC IT IS A REPEAL  AND REPLACE OF OUR ZONING  THAT.  >> IT'S NOT AT  >> DEVELOPMENT PETITION TO  REZONE IT TAKE KILLER  PROPERTY. SO THE STANDARDS AND  THEIR REQUIREMENTS. FOR IN  THIS CASE BECAUSE IT IS A  CITYWIDE REZONING AND  REPEALING AND REPLACING THE  ENTIRE SOUNDING NOT.  >> AND AND THE ORDINANCES WILL  STATE THAT WE ARE REPEALING.  THE EXISTING ULDC. WE REPEAL  IT IN THE SAME ORDINANCE WE  COMPLETELY REPLACE IT AND THEN  A NEW ZONING MAP AS WE CAN. WE  CALL IT A REZONING JUST OUT OF  CONVENIENCE IT IS NOT IT IS AN  ENTIRELY NEW ZONING MAP THAT  IS A DOCKET SO IT DOES NOT AS  IS THE ATTORNEY SAID DOES NOT  FALL UNDER. ANY EXISTING. ULDC  PROVISION BECAUSE THOSE  PROVISIONS WILL NO LONGER BE  THE LAW WHEN WE ADOPT THAT  ZONING WITH THE COMMISSION  ADOPTS THAT SOMETHING.  >> THE OTHER ONE IS ON TO  STATE DICTATES THAT THE  COMMISSION HAVE TO DIRECT THE  CITY CLERK TO NOTIFY EACH  PROPERTY OWNER. THAT I'M  SORRY.  >> POINT OF ORDER I'M NOT THAT  I THINK THAT WE ALL.  >> LET'S LET ME SUGGEST IN  FAIRNESS TO COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, LET'S HELP MAKE A DOC  TONIGHT.  >> I ALREADY TRIED THAT MAYOR  AND I SUGGESTED TO HAVE IT ON  THURSDAY AND YOU GUYS ALREADY  SAID HE WANTED TO DO TONIGHT,  SO LET'S CONTINUE. BUT NO I I  DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH IT IT  STAFF WORK IT IS NOT REGULAR  PROCESS TONIGHT I WANT TO  DISCUSS TONIGHT QUESTION.  >> THE SECOND ITEM REQUIRES  THE COMMISSION TO DIRECT THE  CITY CLERK TO DO SOMETHING  BASED ON STATE STATUTE THAT  STAFF SAID THAT WE HAVE TO  FOLLOW KNOW. 6 DOES NOT  REQUIRE THE SEND OUT. NOTICES  TO EVERY PARCEL OWNER IN THE  CITY.  >> WHEN WE ADOPT A BRAND NEW  ZONING MAP OR YOU OUT TO SEA.  DO NOT HAVE TO SEND TO CITY.  >> NOT SAYING THAT IT SAYS  CONTIGUOUS 10 ACRES UNLESS  LESS THAN 10 CONTINUES ACTORS  EXACTLY THEY HAVE TO BE MAILED  OUT AND THE COMMISSION HAS TO  DIRECT THAT.  >> WE ARE REZONING THE ENTIRE  AND HAS MORE 10 CONTIGUOUS  ACRES, IT'S OPTIONAL UNDER THE  STATUTE TO MAIL NOTICES TO  EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE  >> ALAINA DID THE RESEARCH  CAME UP WITH AN ESTIMATE OF  ABOUT $200,000 IF THEY WANT TO  SEND A NOTICE BY MAIL.  >> AFTER PROPERTY ARE THE CITY  OF THIS REZONING AND ULDC  REWRITE.  >> THIS NEXT ONE I AM GOING TO  ASK. WE'RE HAVING THE  DISCUSSION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST  THINGS THAT I FEEL. THAT WE  NEED TO DO THAT IS ABOVE AND  BEYOND WHAT STATE STATUTE  REQUIRES FOR ANY REZONING  WHETHER IT'S A CITY OR  ANYTHING IS THAT WE NOTIFY THE  AFFECTED PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT  THIS REZONING THAT THE  PROPERTIES BEING REZONED. BY  NOTIFYING ALL OF THE PROPERTY  OWNERS THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS  PROPOSED TO BE REZONED CREATES  THAT TRUST BETWEEN THE  GOVERNMENT AND OUR PROPERTY  OWNERS IN OUR CITIZENS. IT IS  A 100% TRANSPARENT. TO WHAT WE  WERE TALKING ABOUT THE  REFERENDUM JUST LAST COUPLE OF  DAYS YESTERDAY ABOUT. CREATING  INTEREST IN SHOW THAT WE ARE  GOOD STEWARDS WITH MONEY AND  THAT WE'RE GOOD STEWARDS  TOWARDS OUR CITIZENRY BY NOT  NOTIFYING OUR HOUR. PROPERTY  OWNERS THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS  BEING RE ZONE. IN MY OPINION  IS NOTHING LESS THAN ETHICAL  IT'S UN-AMERICAN AND IT'S  WRONG AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S  GOING TO COST $200,000. BUT AT  THE SAME TIME. OUR PROPERTY  OWNERS NEED TO BE NOTIFIED  THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. I'M  STILL GETTING MORE AND MORE  PEOPLE AND ARE SAYING I DIDN'T  KNOW ABOUT THIS I DIDN'T KNOW  ABOUT THIS. YES WE HAVE  WORKSHOPS, YES, IT IS.  >> PUBLICLY ADVERTISE IT AS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DID YOU  WANT TO MAKE A MOTION JUST IS  THAT SO THAT'S WHAT WE SAID  THAT EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS  I WILL BE HAPPY TO BUT I  WASN'T I WAS EXPLAINING WHY I  SAY I THINK WHERE IT'S A  LITTLE BIT WITH THAT BUT EVEN  THOUGH SHE MAY HAVE I WILL  MAKE A AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT  YESTERDAY DURING A CASE TO THE  PUBLIC COMMENT.  ♪ GRAHAM  >> ALL OF THE PROPOSED  PROPOSED REZONING SPECIFICALLY  TO THE ALREADY RESIDENTIAL  ZONES IS. CURRENT REZONING OF  THIS MAGNITUDE ALL OF WHAT'S  ON TAP FOR ESPECIALLY IN THE  MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSIONERS  DON'T EVEN WANT TO NOTIFY THE  LANDOWNERS IF WHEN THERE'S AN  EXCHANGE. IT IS DISGUSTING TO  DO THIS TO THE ALREADY  RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND THE  PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THEM WHO  LOVE AND CALL NORTH PORT HOME.  THERE ARE PLENTY OF ACTIVITY  CENTERS TO SPRUCE UP AND MAKE  THE MOST START THERE. NOT BY  ANDRIUS LEE MOLESTING THE  RESIDENTIAL ZONES. NEGATIVELY  IMPACTING THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE  BEEN PERSONALLY HAVE CAN. MY  FAVORITE SUBJECT BETTER.  >> KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW THAT  I'VE BEEN HOLDING MEETINGS  RESIDENTS REGARDING THE  REZONING I JUST DO FEEL THAT  BABY AS A COMMISSION BECAUSE  THIS IS SUCH A BIG  UNDERTAKING. WE DO KNOW ALL  YOU NEED TO BUT SOME OF THESE  NEIGHBORHOODS, NO ONE KNOWS IF  THEY'RE GETTING REZONE MY  MEETINGS I STARTED HOLDING  THEM BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND I  HAVE RICHARD BROWN 20  CITIZENS. AT THE MEETINGS AND  EACH MEETING IT'S A WHOLE  BRAND NEW CITIZENS. SO I DON'T  REALLY GET A CHANCE TO WORK ON  ANY IDEAS WITH HAD TO MAKE IT  BETTER I SPEND THOSE MEETINGS  EDUCATING EVERYONE SO HAVE  THIS REZONING GO THROUGH ALL  THESE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS  IT WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE  LIKE THOSE LADY'S SLIPPER.  THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY  WERE GETTING REZONE THEY JUST  FOUND OUT IN. JANUARY AND THEN  I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING  THESE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS  SINCE APRIL THIS MEETING IS  GOING ON NOW THERE'S EXACTLY  22 PEOPLE WATCHING IT NOW SO  THERE'S 80 1000 PEOPLE IN  PORT. AT LEAST NOTIFY THE  PEOPLE WERE THESE THE INTO  SMALLER AREAS ACTIVITIES 106  AND ACTIVITY CENTER 10. MAYBE  THE SET OF 6 PRETTY MUCH ABOUT  IT ACTIVITY CENTER 10 THE  PEOPLE ALONG PLACE. LADY  SEPARATE IN HOLES LITTLE  AREAS, YOU KNOW THAT MIGHT NOT  I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY  PROPERTIES IT'S GOING TO BE  BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO LET  THEM KNOW.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL  MAKE A MOTION MAYOR GOING MAKE  A MOTION TO DIRECT THE  APPROPRIATE CHARTER OFFICER TO  NOTIFY BY US NOW ALL PROPERTY  OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY IS  PROPOSED TO BE REZONED  INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING  DATE AT LEAST 30 DAYS PRIOR TO  THE FIRST TIER. IN CONJUNCTION  WITH THE NEWSPAPER  ADVERTISEMENT. RENDITION TO I  SHOULD SAY NOT IN CONTENTION.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  ON THE FLOOR CITY PARK AND YOU  REPEAT THAT BACK I CANNOT  MOTION TO DIRECT THE  APPROPRIATE CHARTER OFFICER.  >> TO NOTIFY BY US MAIL. ALL  PROPERTY OWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY  IS PROPOSED TO BE REZONED  INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING  DAYS. DATES FOR ALL. AT LEAST  30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST  HEARING.  >> IF I MAY ADD ONE WORD.  >> INCLUDING ALL THE PUBLIC  HEARING DATES. AT LEAST 30  DAYS PRIOR TO THE FIRST  HEARING.  >> THAT WOULD BE FINE WE'VE  GOT THAT OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE  MOTION AS STATED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, AND I  THINK THE CITY CLERK GOT THAT  THANK BY THE TAPPING OF HER  FINGERS THERE I HAVE A SECOND.  ALL RIGHT AND THAT FAILS FOR  LACK OF A SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT THERE'S A STATE  LAW THAT WENT INTO EFFECT WENT  INTO EFFECT LAST YEAR SENATE  BILL 2.15. SENATE BILL RELATES  TO NOT HAVING ANY. WELL THEN  THE SECOND. IT IN A NUTSHELL  BASICALLY FORBIDS ANY CHANGES  TO THE COMP PLAN LAND  DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT  ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE OR  BURDENSOME IT IS RETROACTIVE  TO WHEN HURRICANE IAN MADE  LANDFALL. AND BASED ON THE  CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD THERE  ARE MANY SEGMENTS AND THIS  PROPOSED CODE THAT ARE MORE  RESTRICTIVE AND I JUST WANTED  TO SEE IT. IT WAS AN APPETITE  TO CITY REVIEW THIS. SO WE CAN  PROCEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT  IN VIOLATION OF THE STATE  WHICH IS ALSO IN EFFECT ALL  THE WAY UNTIL 2025. IF THERE'S  ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS IF GO  AHEAD MAKE A MOTION NUMBER IS  THAT I'M SORRY EVERYBODY WORE  NUMBER 4 O K.  >> THE CITY STAFF AS WELL  AWARE OF SENATE BILL A  >> HOUSE BILL ONE WHICH  MODIFIED. THAT EMERGENCY  LEGISLATION. WE HAVE REVIEWED  IT WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH  OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL. THEY HAVE  PROVIDED US.  >> WELL A LEGAL REVIEW THAT  SPELLS AND HOW THEY ARE UP  LOCAL APPLICABLE TO THE CITY'S  ULDC REWRITE WE DO HAVE A PLAN  FOR ADDRESSING THE  REQUIREMENTS UNDER BILL BY  INCORPORATING THE CLAWBACK  PROVISION AND THE GENERAL  PROVISIONS OF THE ULDC AND  WHERE WE ARE CERTAIN. WHERE WE  ARE BOTTOM ABUNDANTLY CERTAIN  THAT A REGULATION WHAT COULD  BE DEEMED MORE RESTRICTIVE. WE  WILL BE MAKING SOME OF THOSE  NEW PROVISIONS IN THE CODE OF  ACTIVE ON EXPIRATION OF THE  BILL WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN 2027  NOW I BELIEVE IT'S TOO 2027.  SO YOU KNOW SOME OF THE YOU  KNOW WHAT RESTRICTIVE OR  BURDENSOME CAN BE VERY  RESTRICTIVE. FOR EXAMPLE WHERE  WE ARE EXPANDING THE PERMITTED  USES IN SOME DISTRICTS OF  LIMITING OTHERS. OUR OPINION.  WE ARE NOT MAKING THE MORE  RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME  BECAUSE WE'RE EXPANDING THE  ALLOWABLE USES FOR THE  PROPERTY, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE  WE WILL HAVE A GENERAL  CLAWBACK PROVISION. AND IF I I  BELIEVE WE SKIPPED OVER NUMBER  3.  >> IT WAS NOT NECESSARY  BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY CAN BE  DOING QUESTIONS YEAH, JUST  WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND I  WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE 180 DAY  >> ACTUALLY THE COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT OFF-ICE FOR  EXPEDITED STATE REVIEW. SO  ONCE WE TRANSMIT WE SHOULD GET  ABOUT COMMENTS FROM THE STATE  WITHIN 30 TO US.  >> OKAY SO COMMISSIONER  COUNTED YOU WANT TO MAKE A  MOTION ON  ♪ >> I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE  ANALYSIS WAS FROM THE OUTSIDE  COUNSEL OR WHOEVER DID IT  BECAUSE  ♪ IF IT.  >> EXCUSE ME. IF THE.  >> EFFECTIVE DATE OF CERTAIN  RESTRICTIVE COMPONENTS OF THE  ULDC REWRITE IS AN EFFECTIVE  DATE OF 2027. THAT MAY I DON'T  KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THOSE.  RESTRICTIONS ARE. THAT THEY  HAVE FOUND TO BE MORE  RESTRICTIVE AND MAYBE HOW DOES  IT PLAY OUT WITH THE BUFFERING  BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE  BIGGEST ONES THAT IS MORE  RESTRICTIVE IS THE BUFFERING  WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ARE THEY  NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO  DEVELOP UNTIL 2027 ARE THEY  GOING TO FOLLOW. SO WE'LL HAVE  TO HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION.  >> ALL RIGHT SO LESSER OF IT  IS NOT REVIEWING EVERY PURPOSE  AND I'M MAKING RECOMMENDATION  ON EACH PROFESSION ACCOUNT ONE  HAVE A GENERAL CLAWBACK CODE I  THAT PROVISION AND THE CUBS.  THAT SAYS IF IT'S DEEMED TO BE  MORE IT WILL TO THE EXISTING  CODE. WE HAVE I'LL GIVE YOU AN  EXAMPLE WE NOW THAT REQUIRING  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO PLANT  TO TRACE AS MORE RESTRICTIVE  THAN THE FIRE TRUCKS. THEY'RE  REQUIRED RIGHT NOW SO THAT  PARTICULAR. LINE ITEM IN THE  CODE. WELL AFFECTIVE EITHER ON  EXPIRATION SENATE BILL 2.50  HOUSE BILL ONE OR. ARE ONE  REPEALS SO WE AS STAFF ARE  LOOKING AT THOSE AND WE'RE  MAKING WILL BE INCORPORATING  ALL RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THE  FINAL DRAFT COMES TO THE CITY  COMMISSION AND AGAIN RELY ON  THAT ALL THAT PROVISION AND  CHAPTER ONE OF THE GENERAL  PROVISIONS TO PROTECT THE  CITY. POTENTIAL LIABILITY IN  REGARD TO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT  STATE LAW. JUST JUST TOO SURE.  >> THE.  >> LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED ULDC  WAS IN DECEMBER AT THE  WORKSHOP. AND THERE'S BEEN A  FEW MEETINGS WITH CITY MANAGER  AND THE NORTH PORT 92 WORD HE  WAS SAYING THAT THIS WAS GOING  TO BE ADOPTED IN APRIL. I  REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID THAT SO  THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS  I WAS BRINGING THESE ITEMS  FORWARD AND I WENT OH MY GOSH  WE'VE WE'VE GOT TO START  TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. THE  PUBLIC I WANTED TO SHARE THAT  I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT  OUR CHAMBERS MAY NOT BE LARGE  ENOUGH FOR THE MEETING. SO I  JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON  EVERYBODY'S RADAR TO MAKE SURE  WE HAVE ADEQUATE SPACE BEFORE  WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS WITH  BEING ABLE TO ACTUALLY HOLD  THE MEETING HERE AND HAVE TO  DELAYED THE MEETING OR  POSTPONE IT OR CONTINUE IT OR  WHATEVER THAT FANCY WORD IS SO  I THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I  JUST WANTED TO PUT ON  EVERYBODY'S RADAR TO THINK  ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE GOING  THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION. WE  HAVE NOT HAD A FORMAL. UPDATE  TO THE ULDC TIMELINE. AND  APRIL OF 2023. WE WERE TOLD IT  WOULD BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL  OF 23. AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING  IT NOW EARLY 2024 AND THEN NOW  APRIL 24. SO I REALLY HOPE  THAT WE CAN ASK THE CITY  MANAGER TO PROVIDE US WITH AN  UPDATE TO THAT IS A LITTLE BIT  MORE REALISTIC THAT CAN BE  SHARED WITH THE CITIZENRY AND  UPDATED ON THE WEBSITE. I  DON'T THINK THAT'S  UNREALISTIC. REQUESTS SINCE  IT'S NOW GOING ON FOR MONTHS  OR ALMOST 4 MONTHS SINCE WE'VE  HAD A DISCUSSION.  >> IN THE.  >> PREVIOUS ULDC CONSULTANTS.  THERE WERE CHARETTE THAT WERE  REQUIRED AND I HAVE NOT HEARD  OF ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT  HAVING PUBLIC MUCH LESS FORMAL  THAN PUBLIC MEETINGS. AND I  WANTED TO JUST SEE IF THERE  WAS AN APPETITE FOR MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS TO HAVE A PUBLIC  CHARETTE POSSIBLY 2 ON 2  DIFFERENT DATES TO KIND OF  ALERT CITIZENS AS TO WHAT'S  GOING ON, BUT THEM COME. YOU  KNOW TO THESE MEETINGS AND  THEN SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.  I. WANTED TO SEE ABOUT MAYBE  MAKING A MOTION TO MAKE SURE  THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES  INCLUDE SHOW HAS SOMETHING  THAT WE WANT DONE. I IT WAS  PART OF THE CONSULTING  REQUIREMENTS NOW THAT STAFF IS  DOING IT. I DON'T SEE WHY WE  WOULDN'T REQUIRE FROM OUR  STAFF. SO MAYOR WILL MAKE A  MOTION. HAVE THE CITY MANAGER  CONDUCT TOO. PRIOR TO ABS  HEARING. WE HAVE A MOTION.  >> FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO  CONDUCT TO SURE ET'S. PRIOR  TO.  >> I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER  BECAUSE THAT'S HEARING.  HEARING. SO I HAVE A SECOND.  AND I DON'T CARE SECOND.  >> ALL  >> THERE WERE. IT.  >> IT'S JUST BEEN RECENTLY  BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT  THE CHAMBER IS REVIEWING THE  ULDC. AND I BELIEVE SOME  ADVISORY BOARDS HAVE REVIEWED  IT AND ALSO SOME DEVELOPERS.  >> AND IT WOULD INTERESTING TO  SEE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS  ARE.  >> THAT JUST TO STAFF'S  RECOMMENDATIONS BUT TO KIND OF  SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION WHAT  WHERE THEY'RE LEANING.  >> SO HOPEFULLY THOSE  DOCUMENTS CAN BE SHARED WITH  US. WE ALSO HAD A. MULTIPLE  CONSENSUS IS AND REQUESTS FOR  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. DURING  THESE WORKSHOPS. AND WE HAVE  NOT HAD ANY FOLLOW-UPS ON  THOSE SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE  TO KNOW WHEN THAT WILL TAKE  PLACE BASED ON THOSE CONSENSUS  IS AND REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION MOSTLY TEXT.  CHAPTER 2 I THINK IS WHEN WE  FIRST STARTED GETTING  CONSENSUS ISN'T ASKING FOR  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SO  MAYBE WHEN THE CITY MANAGER  PROVIDES US WITH A TIMELINE.  THAT COULD BE INCLUDED. THE  DEFINITIONS. DEFINITIONS ARE  EVERYTHING AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN  REVIEW THOSE YET THEY'RE SO  MAYBE THAT CAN BE INCLUDED IN  THE TIMELINE. I'LL BE HONEST  WITH IF WE'RE GOING TO SEE  THIS IN TOTALITY AT FIRST  READING WE PROBABLY NEED TO  SEE TOTALITY PRIOR TO FIRST  READING. SO THAT WAY THEN IT  GOES A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER  ESPECIALLY SINCE STAFF IS  SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE  MULTIPLE ORDINANCES THAT ARE  COMING FORWARD AT THE SAME  TIME IS OUR FIRST READING. SO  THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I  WANTED TO TALK ABOUT I SEE  THAT THERE'S NO APPETITE FOR  OTHER MOTIONS BUT I WILL ASK  FOR ONE MORE. AND THEN WE'LL  CALL IT A NIGHT. MAKE A MOTION  TO INSTRUCT THE CITY MANAGER  TO PREPARE A ULDC UPDATE,  INCLUDING A TIME LINE THAT IS  REALISTIC TO STAFFS  CONSTRAINTS AND REQUIREMENTS  OF GETTING EVERYTHING DONE. IN  THE BORDER. AND THAT BE  PROVIDED TO THE CONSIST TO THE  COMMISSION AND UPDATED ON THE  WEBSITE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.  >> OKAY WE HAVE. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. A CLERK IN BACK.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO PREPARE ULDC UPDATE,  INCLUDING A REALISTIC TIMELINE  STAFFING REQUIREMENTS OF  EVERYTHING GETTING DONE IN  ORDER TO IT TO COMMISSION AN  UPDATE ON THE WEBSITE AS SOON  AS POSSIBLE.  ♪ DO I HAVE A SECOND.  >> NOT HEARING A SECOND. THAT  MOTION FAILS.  >> IT'S REALLY A SHAME BECAUSE  THESE THESE WERE THINGS TO  HELP OUR CITIZENS.  >> HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT  HAPPENING TO THEIR PERSONAL  PROPERTY AND I COULDN'T EVEN  GET A SECOND ANY OF THESE  MOTIONS I I SEE HOW THIS IS  MOVING FORWARD AND I THINK  EVERYBODY FOR THEIR TIME I'M  DONE. THANK YOU. A LOT OF TIME  LOT OF THANK HELP CITIZENS ANY  PUBLIC CHRISTINA SMITH.  >> STARTING ORDINANCE NUMBER  2024 DASH 0, 5, ON TOLEDO  BLADE. IT IS NOT REASONABLE TO  REZONE THE PLOT TO  MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THE  INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IMPROVED  ON TOLEDO BLADE WITH THE  CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERNS I E  ADDING AN INTERSECTION FOR THE  I 75 RAMPS THAT SECTION OF  TOLEDO BLADE HAS BECOME A  HOTSPOT STUDENTS AND ITS  UNFORTUNATELY NORMAL TO SEE  THE CRANBERRY TOLEDO BLADE  INTERSECTION BACKED UP CARS  BECAUSE OF FOLKS TRYING TO I  75 NORTH HAS ALREADY ON FOR  DAILY COMMUTERS. ADDING  MULTIFAMILY UNITS WILL WORSEN  THIS AREA'S TRAFFIC  EXPONENTIALLY AND  UNFORTUNATELY WE ALSO ARE  TRACKING STATE DECADE WAITING  FOR IMPROVED. INFRASTRUCTURE  IF THOUGH BIDEN PRICE PROJECT  IS ANY INDICATION ALSO THE  PROPOSED AREA FOR BUILDING IS  VERY PRONE TO FLOODING AS THE  CITY NOT REMEMBER HURRICANE  IAN POULTER PARKING ON I 75 TO  KAYAK SUPPLIES INTO THAT STATE  AND VEHICLES BEING WASHED AWAY  BECAUSE OF THE THERE. WHAT  WILL THAT MEAN FOR THE  MULTIFAMILY UNITS KNOWING THEY  WANT REMOTELY HAVE RESOURCES  THAT THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS DO  IN THE STATES TO SOMEWHAT  COMBAT A NATURAL DISASTER.  THERE'S PLENTY MORE SUITABLE  LAND TO LOOK AT BUILDING  MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN PORT  WITHOUT FAMILY THAT BREAST,  BUT THE NEXT HURRICANE  BUILDING ON EXISTING WETLANDS.  I UNDERSTAND THAT BUILDING IS  ON AVOIDABLE WHEN SO CLOSE TO  THE INTERSTATE IN THE END. BUT  WE NEED MORE COMMERCIAL  INDUSTRIAL IS SOMETHING HAS TO  BE BUILT EVERY DO NOT WANT TO  BECOME LIKE. EXITS ON THE  INTERSTATE ARE BACKED UP FOR  MILES BECAUSE THAT CITY DID  NOT FOCUS ENOUGH ON IMPROVING  THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN THEY  HAVE A CHANCE. THESE DO NOT  ALLOW THE PLOT TO BE RESENT  MULTIFAMILY UNITS PERSONALLY  HAVE ROBIN SAVAGE  ♪ ♪ OK THANK YOU.  >> ALRIGHT COMMISSION  >> I'M JUST BUT IF ANYBODY  ELSE WANTS TO THAT'S VICE  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> A QUESTION FOR US THAT A  CLERK IF I SEND YOU A HARD  COPY E-MAIL WANTING GATHER  TOO. THIS OKAY I WILL DO THAT  THEN THANK YOU ALL RIGHT.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH,  I HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT TO  REQUEST THAT THE CITY CLERK  INCLUDED SHEET THAT I PASSED  TO THE BACKUP MATERIALS FOR MY  AGENDA ITEM AND IF YOU NEED  EMOTIONAL BE HAPPY TO DO IT.  WE NEED A MOTION. THANK YOU  OKAY. COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> I KNOW IT'S LATE I JUST  WANT TO PUT OUT THAT WE HAVE  ALL ATTENDED CUB SCOUT PILOT  DERBY AND WHAT A DAY THAT IS  EVERY SINGLE YEAR. IT'S  AMAZING AND AND JUST THE JOY  OF THOSE KIDS SPACE AND  WATCHING THAT BRAZEN THE  CAMARADERIE THAT THEY HAD WAS  A GREAT GREAT MORNING SAYING  THAT'S ALL JUST WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT THEY GOT NOTICED.  >> THAT WAS PACKED TO 57. YES  I THAT'S RIGHT.  >> ALL RIGHT A CHARTER  ATTORNEY ANYTHING BEYOND CITY  CLERK. CITY MANAGER YEAR.  OKAY, SO.  >> IT IS 5.59 WHAT WE DID MAKE  IT 6 OK I 59 AND THIS MEETING  IS ADJOURNED.