>> I SEE ITEM TO THEM WHAT  HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN  WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF OF THE  YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW WE  CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8, 0,  50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT. IF A PERSON  WANTS TO PLAY SET OUT WHAT  SHOULD TAKE PLACE OUT. WHAT'S  RIGHT THING WAS THE WRONG  THING BASICALLY FRANK ANYTHING  THAT DOESN'T FIT IN THE  CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE IS  GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING TO  STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT  ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES CHEMICALS  STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1658  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE CUBIC ANY  QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S NOT  GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR WORK AND  I'M GOING DISCUSS FIRST  RESPONDERS AFTER STORM, SO IT  MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  RESPONDERS TO GET THE STORM  AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY  THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY  COSTS AND OTHER SO WE WILL  HAVE A BACKLOG OF CALLS THAT  HAVE COME IN DURING THE STORM  THAT WILL PRIORITIZE BASED ARE  GOING TO ANOTHER RESPONDING TO  AS WELL AS THE CALLS THAT ARE  CURRENTLY COMMUNICATOR. ALSO  ON THE ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED.  THERE MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE  ROADS ARE TECHNICAL PERSON  TEAMS WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT  AWAY TO CLEAR THE ROADS  ♪ ANY HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR  VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE. JUST KEEP  THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL  AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS,  WE ARE COMING.  >> ALL MISSION SPECIAL TO  ORDER. THIS IS A HYBRID  MEETING THIS MEETING HAS BEEN  PROPERLY NOTICED AND WILL BE  CONDUCTED AS A HYBRID MEETING  REQUIRING THE USE OF  COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA  TECHNOLOGY PHYSICAL, MEMBERS  IS PRESENT THE COMMISSION  CHAMBERS AND A HYBRID MEETING  ALLOWS VOTING MEMBERS TO  ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE WITHOUT  BEING PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN  ♪ THE ROOM WITH HIS CORE MS.  CONVENE. COMMISSIONERS PRESENT  OUR I SELF MAYOR WHITE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL VICE  MAYOR STOKES.  >> AND WE WILL HEAR FROM  COMMISSIONER MUCH. GOOD  MORNING.  >> HAS AUTHORIZED BY CITY  COMMISSION POLICY NUMBER 2021  DASH TURN.  >> I AM ATTENDING THE HYBRID  MEETING VERY COMMUNICATIONS  MEDIA TECHNOLOGIES.  EXPERIENCING A MEDICAL  CONDITION, INCLUDING MANY  DISABILITIES PREVENTING ME  FROM ATTENDING THIS MEETING IN  PERSON AT THIS TIME. THANK  YOU.  >> THANK YOU AND I WILL KNOW  THAT COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAS  JUST JOINED US IN THE  BUILDING.  ♪ ♪ >> LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO  APPROVE THE USE OF CMT FOR  THIS HYBRID SECOND ALL RIGHT  VICE-MAYOR SOULS HAS MADE A  MOTION TO APPROVE THE USE OF  MEETING AND THAT WAS SECONDED  BY COMMISSIONER.  >> LANDON SO WE WILL HAVE A  VOICE VOTE VICE MAYOR MAYORS,  YES, YES, MA'AM.  >> DON'T KNOW. COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE.  >> I MEAN OKAY SO THAT PASSES  4 TO 0. ALSO HAVE MANAGER ONE  I'M SORRY THANK  >> WE HAVE CITY MANAGER  FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY SLAYTON  CITY PARK OUT. AND PLEASE. SO  YES CARE TEAM HEIRESS AND  THERE IS.  >> CHIEFS ARE IN THAT HOUSE.  I'M GOING WAS NEAR TO LATEST  IN THE PLAY THINK  >> HE GLAD UNITED STATES OF  AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC  FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION  UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH  LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.  THANK  >> ALL RIGHT, I'M LOOKING  MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.  A LITTLE BACK AND ALL RIGHT, I  HAVE A RUSSIAN MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL TO  APPROVE THE AGENDA AS  PRESENTED AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.  >> LANE THEN SO WE WILL HAVE A  VOICE VOTE. VICE MAYOR OF THE  U.S. MAYER IS A YES. LANGDON  IS YES DO. COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE. YES ALL RIGHT SO THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0. DO WE HAVE ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> MOVING ON TO ITEM 3 GENERAL  BUSINESS 24 DASH 0, 9, 1, 4,  AND CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR  ITEM THEY CAN IN AS DISCUSSED  POSSIBLE ACTION.  >> THE GARDENS AND THEN WHEN  RELATED TO THE ON ALREADY. FOR  US WE HAVE ASSISTANT PUBLIC  WORKS DIRECTOR FISHER WAS  THERE WITH IN US. IT COMES IT.  >> ALL RIGHT SOUNDS GOOD.  COMMISSIONERS GOOD MORNING.  WAS NEVER I'M HERE TO TALK  ABOUT THE CHARTER AMENDMENT  DISCUSSION BEFORE WE BEGIN THE  CONVERSATION, I'D LIKE TO DO A  RECAP AND THEN ROADMAPS A  FIRST FOR THE RECAP. WE HAVE  HEARD FROM STAFF THAT THE  CHARTER. YES, THE FOR CHARTER  REQUIRES GENERAL OBLIGATION  BONDS HAVE A REFERENDUM IF  THEY'RE GOING TO WHICH ARE  INGRAINED IN 12 MONTHS AND  THEY'RE PAID FOR THE AD FOR  HIM WE'VE SEEN THAT THE STATE  STATUTES YOU PRIDE AUTHORITY  FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO ENTER  INTO OTHER DAT. SUCH AS  REVENUE BONDS. WITHOUT A  REFERENDUM. WE'VE SEEN THAT  MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE  MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE  ALLOW SOME FORM OF OUR RING  WITHOUT A REFERENDUM. WE HAVE.  LOOK AT OUR CITY CHARTER AND  THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR  YEARS AND THE CHARTER DOES NOT  ALLOW THE CITY TO ENTER INTO  ANY OF THAT WITHOUT A  REFERENDUM. WE'VE SEEN ISSUES  FROM THAT WITH AND PREVIOUSLY  AND FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS THE  COMMISSION HAS WRESTLED WITH  DECISIONS BASED UPON THE FACT  WE HAVE TO WORK IS A PAY AS  YOU GO CITY. THAT MEANS WE  HAVE TO SAVE EVERY DOLLAR WE  NEED BEFORE WE CAN BEGIN A  PROJECT. WE WRESTLED WITH THE  TIMELINE OF PROJECTS.  INFLATING HASSAN PROJECTS. AND  THE DIFFICULTY PRIORITIZATION  OF PROJECTS WE'RE HEARING THAT  WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS  BUT WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT  THEM. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO  EXPAND OUR COMMERCIAL  FOOTPRINT BUT IT SURE IS  EXPENSIVE GETTING THAT  INFRASTRUCTURE. SO AS WE LOOK  AT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR  OPPORTUNITIES SOMETIMES THAT  IS THE INCREASE OF AN  ASSESSMENT. HOWEVER WE'RE ABLE  TO. OUT FOR SOME SORT OF BASED  UPON POLICY WE BE ABLE TO  STREAM MIND SOME THAT  FINANCING. NOW FOR THE ROAD  DISCUSS LAST DIRECTION  RECEIVED FROM JUNE 11. WE'RE  GOING TO LOOK AT DRAFT.  MANAGEMENT POLICY AND SO  ATTRACTIVE THAT POLICY. WE'RE  GOING TO LOOK AT CHARTER  AMENDMENT LANGUAGE. THAT  LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE BECAUSE ABOUT  INCHES HAS TO BE VERY SUCCINCT  WE'RE GOING GET THAT FOR BOTH  WITH AND WITHOUT A CAP. SO  FIRST. DURING THE JUNE 11TH  MEETING WE RECEIVED DIRECTION  FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO BRING  BACK A DRAFT THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY WHICH IS ATTACHED TO  THIS AGENDA ITEM. AND ALSO TO  RECEIVE INPUT FROM AND BOND  COUNCIL. THEY'RE BOTH  AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY DURING  MEETING. THE DEBT MANAGEMENT  POLICY OBJECTIVES. THE SKULL  SUSTAINABILITY VALUE 8 THAT  FORD ABILITY PROMOTE  TRANSPARENCY ACCOUNTABILITY  REPORTING COMPLIANCE.  STRUCTURED THAT OFFICIALLY.  UTILIZE APPROPRIATE THAT  INSTRUMENTS. PRESERVE AND  ENHANCE CREDIT WORTHINESS  INVESTOR CONFIDENCE. SUPPORT  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.  ENSURE LEGAL AND REGULATORY  COMPLIANCE. THERE'S A LOT  THESE ARE ALL VERY IMPORTANT  THINGS WITHIN THIS THAT  POLICY. ALSO DURING JUNE 11 3  RECEIVED DIRECTION FOR THE  CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK AND  ORDINANCE AND DRAFT 2024 TO  SHERIFF, 7 IS ATTACHED WITHIN  AGENDA ITEM. IT DOES HAVE  STRAIGHT THROUGH AND  UNDERLINED TOO. CLEARLY  IDENTIFY WITH THE PROPOSED  CHANGES ARE. AND ALSO TO  REMOVE THE BORROWING LIMIT  WITHIN THE REFERENDUM. SO  WITHIN THE DRAFT 2024 7  ORDINANCE THAT'S ATTACHED. IT  PROVIDES I CHANGE WE CAN  SECTION C IT STATES THE CITY  WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT  WITHOUT REFERENCING FOR  CERTAIN CATEGORIES. THESE  CATEGORIES ARE THE FIRST ONE  IS EMERGENCY RESPONSE. NOW  THIS IS THE IN ORDINANCE IT IS  NOT BOARDING THAT'S IN THE  BALLOT AND WE'LL GET TO THAT  IN A MINUTE.  >> SO THE PROPOSED WORDING  WITHIN THIS SECTION IS DURING  THE EXISTENCE OF A CLEAR LOCAL  STATE OR FEDERAL EMERGENCY OR  DISASTER. TO REMOVE DEBRIS  FROM AND TO REPAIR OR  RECONSTRUCT ANY PUBLIC  INFRASTRUCTURE FOR CAPITAL  FACILITIES DAMAGED AS A RESULT  OF THAT EMERGENCY DIDN'T  START. AND THEN THE SECOND  SECTION WITH WHICH THE CITY  WOULD BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO  THAT WITHOUT A REFERENDUM IS  FOR SAFETY FOR PUBLIC HEALTH.  IS TO MEET REGULATORY AGENCY  REQUIREMENTS. THE COMES INTO  PLAY WHEN YOU THINK OF  UTILITIES. IM IN IT  INFRASTRUCTURE OR SYSTEM  FAILURE, INCLUDING BUT NOT  LIMITED TO ROADS BRIDGES WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES, SANITATION  OR SEWER. FACILITIES. VERY  IMPORTANT THINGS FOR CITY TO  BE ABLE TO ADDRESS TIMELY. AND  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FACILITIES  FOR EMERGENCY AND ESSENTIAL  SERVICES, INCLUDING BUT NOT  LIMITED FACILITIES FOR THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT. FIRE  DEPARTMENT. NORTH PORT AND  DRAINAGE DISTRICT SOLID WASTE  OR UTILITIES. SO HERE'S THE  OUT THE DRAFT BALLOT LANGUAGE  ASSOCIATED WITH THAT  AMENDMENT.  >> NOW IT'S 75 WORDS OR LESS  THAT WE CANNOT PUT EVERYTHING  THAT WE PUT IN DRAFT ORDINANCE  2024 0, 7, IN THE BALLOT. AND  IT MUST STATES.  >> WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE  WANT TO GO. SO FOR THIS I  WOULD THINK WHICH IT STATES IN  FLORIDA LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN  ISSUE CERTAIN THAT FOR VARIOUS  GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES. THE  CITY CHARTER REQUIRES VOTER  APPROVAL BEFORE ISSUING ANY  DEBT. APPROVE AMENDING THE  CHARTER TO ALLOW THE CITY  COMMISSION TO ISSUE DEBT  WITHOUT PRIOR VOTER APPROVAL.  WANT TO RESPOND TO A DECLARED  EMERGENCY OR DISASTER SUCH AS  A HURRICANE. FOR SAFETY AND  PUBLIC HEALTH PROJECTS SUCH AS  EMERGENCY AND ESSENTIAL  SERVICES ROADS BRIDGES AND  SANITATION. SO THE ONE AND TO  REALLY RELY OR.  >> BUT RIGHT BACK TO THE SIDE  SO WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.  COUNCIL THE CITY ATTORNEY'S  OFFICE HAS DONE. A LOT OF WORK  TRYING TO GET ALL OF THAT INTO  75 WORDS OR LESS THAT MAKE  SENSE AND THEY'VE DONE  OUTSTANDING JOB. AS AN  ALTERNATE WE HAVE ALSO  PROVIDED. CHARTER AMENDMENT  LANGUAGE THAT IS ATTACHED TO  THIS AGENDA ITEM AND HE'S  HERE. IT DOES PROVIDE AN  OPTION FOR LIMITATION ON THAT  THIS LIMITATION AND THAT WOULD  BE TO ADDRESS THE PUBLIC ARE  THE SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH  SOME SECTION. AND THE SAINTS  PRIOR TO OCTOBER ONE 2025. THE  PRINCIPLE THAT IN US WE'RE  OBLIGATIONS INCURRED BY THE  CITY TO ADDRESS SAFETY OR  PUBLIC HEALTH. SHE'LL BE IN A  PRINCIPAL AMOUNT GREATER THAN  28 MILLION DOLLARS PER  PROJECT. ANY INSTRUMENT OF A  DEAD IN US IN A PRINCIPAL  AMOUNT EXCEEDING THE PROJECTS  THAT INNOCENT OR OBLIGATION  LIMIT MUST BE APPROVED BY A  MAJORITY VOTE OF ORDERS. SO  WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT  WE STILL NEED A REFERENDUM.  THE CITY SHOULD NOT AVOID THIS  REQUIREMENT. IN SECTION BY  SEPARATING A SINGLE  SIMULTANEOUS OR CONCURRENT  PROJECT INTO MULTIPLE PARTS.  SO THIS GIVES YOU AN  OPPORTUNITY TO SET LIMIT ON  THAT AS AN ALTERNATE LANGUAGE  AND THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE  MODIFIED ID AND SHARING NEWS  RECORD AND RECORD. ANNUALLY.  AND THIS IS WHERE WE TALK  ABOUT THE. THE FACT THAT IT  WOULD BE MODIFIED. EACH  OCTOBER. BASED UPON AN  LANGUAGE FOR THAT. IT WOULD  OBVIOUSLY BE DIFFERENT THAN  ME. HALLOWEEN WHICH IT DOES  NOT INCLUDE A CAP. AND AGAIN  THIS STILL HAS TO BE 75 WORDS  OR LESS ESTATE CURRENT  CONDITIONS OF THOSE CHANGES  AND THE STATES IN FLORIDA  LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ISSUE  CERTAIN THAT. WERE VARIOUS  GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES,  HOWEVER, THE CITY CHARTER  REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL BEFORE  ISSUING ANY DEBT EXACT SAME  LANGUAGE AS THE PREVIOUS  BALLOT LANGUAGE. DO YOU  APPROVE THE CITY CHARTER TO  ALLOW THE CITY COMMISSION TO  ISSUE DEBT WITHOUT VOTER  APPROVAL TO RESPOND TO CLEARED  EMERGENCY OR DISASTER. AND OR  IF YOU ARE A PUBLIC HEALTH  PROJECTS UP TO A MAXIMUM  PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF 20 MILLION  DOLLARS INCREASING ANNUALLY  BASED ON A CROSS AND. PROVIDES  AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AT  HOW WE GOT HERE AND WE ARE NOW  AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.  >> AND WE ALSO COUNCIL STUDENT  NEIGHBORS GIVE ONE IS REMOTE  ATTENDANCE BENEATH ALL THE  BOARD HAD REQUESTED THAT  ATTEND OR ROPE LINE FOR FIRST  READING THAT WAS BEFORE WE  HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING  SCHEDULED. SO WE BROUGHT HERE  TODAY IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS THAT MISTER MILLER  CAN DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY GOAL  AND IS ALSO HERE IN HIS WORK  VERY CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND  WITH BOND COUNCIL ON THIS  MATTER YOU ALSO BE ABLE ANSWER  QUESTIONS OF OK. VICE MAYOR  >> AM I IN ASSUMING THAT. AD  VALOREM DOLLARS VALOREM BEING  ENTERED ROLFE AND PROPERTY TAX  MONIES. THAT IS USED TO  SERVICE DEBT OF ANY KIND.  CHOIRS PUBLIC REFERENDUM.  >> IT'S THAT CAN YOU HEAR ME.  YES, YOU CAN THIS IS STEVE  THIS IS STEVE MILLER SERVE  THAT IS CORRECT WITH ONE  >> THE DEBT HAS TO HAVE THE  MATURITY OF THE YEAR OR LONGER  IF YOU ENTERED INTO A SHORT  TERM DEBT OBLIGATION OF LESS  THAN A YEAR THAT IS NOT  REQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION.  THE HAVE A REFERENDUM IT'S A  DAY OR MORE IMPACTFUL FOR  THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU SIR.  >> SO BASICALLY.  >> ANY DEBT.  >> WE WERE TO LOOK TO INCUR.  >> WOULD HAVE TO HAVE.  >> BUT FOR WHICH WE WERE  LOOKING TO TO AMEND THIS  CHART. WE TO HAVE THAT THERE  WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING  OTHER THAN. AT 4 TAXES OR  GENERAL FUND MONEY TO PAY FOR  WHICH LEAVES US WITH WHAT.  LEAVES US WITH. DISTRICT  RESIDENTS, RIGHT. OTHER IF YOU  SET POLICE ASIDE. FUNDED  ENTIRELY BY GENERAL FUND  DOLLARS IF YOU SET THEM ASIDE  FIRE RESCUE ROAD AND DRAINAGE  UTILITIES PARKS AND RECS THEY  ALL HAVE DISTRICTS. ALL THOSE  DISTRICTS, GENERATE REVENUES  WITHIN THEIR EXISTING  DISTRICTS THEIR OBLIGATIONS  THEIR OPERATIONS ON A ON AN  ANNUAL BASIS AS WELL AS  CAPITAL ACQUISITION NEEDS  WHICH ARE BUILT INTO THEIR  BUDGET PROCESS. SO. IF THEY  WERE ABLE AS I ASKED. MISTER  SPEAKS YESTERDAY. YES, I  BELIEVE IT WAS 18 MILLION  DOLLARS IN FISCAL 25 THAT HE  PLANS ON SPENDING FOR CAPITAL  EXPANSION CAPITAL PROJECTS IF  HE COULD LEVERAGE THAT  UTILIZING THOSE DOLLARS TO  SERVICE DEBT. HE COULD WAR DO  WAY MORE PROJECTS IN A MORE  TIMELY FASHION. I THINK MUCH  MORE EFFICIENT COST. THAT'S  REALLY WHAT THE ASK IS HERE AS  I SEE IT. SO THE LAND WHICH.  IN IN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT  WHERE WE TALK ABOUT. REALLY  EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR POLICE.  DISTRICT RELATED SO. WE WILL  FORWARD AND I WAS IN IN THE  MINORITY. FOR NO CAPS. EACH  DISTRICT IN EFFECT CAPS ITSELF  BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE THE  ABILITY TO GO ON A LIMITED.  WELL CITY CAN'T JUST INCREASE  ITS DISTRICT INDISCRIMINATELY  SO THERE'S BUILDING CATCH THEY  HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN THEIR  DISTRICT BUDGETS THAT SOURCE  CONTROLS THE AMOUNT DEBT AS I  SEE IT SO I GUESS MY MY. MY  ONLY QUESTION HERE IS IN THE  LANGUAGE WE'VE GOT. IT TALKS  ABOUT ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO  BORROW. BUT IT DOESN'T QUALIFY  BECAUSE. WE'RE WE'RE ASKING  FOR THE RIGHT TO BORROW BUT  WE'RE NOT EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE  THAT WE CAN'T USE THEIR  PROPERTY TAXES, THE PAY FOR  THIS DEBT. AND I THINK THAT'S  SOMETHING I WANT TO BE THING  TO SAY IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN  IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES  THAT WE'RE ASKING THE NEWS  HERE. IT REALLY IT'S REVENUES.  TO BE ABLE TO DO REVENUE  BONDING AND OTHER TYPES OF  FINANCE. SO MEAN I WOULD THINK  YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IT THE WAY  THE LANGUAGE WRITTEN. I DON'T  I DON'T SEE HOW. I JUST OR A  PIECE MISSING.  >> WANTED TO MAKE ONE POINT OF  CLARIFICATION FOR STATES THE  PARKS AND REC CREATION  DEPARTMENT IS NOT A SPECIAL  DISTRICT SO THEY DO NOT HAVE  DISTRICT OR DISTRICT FUNDING  IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE  AN ASSESSMENT FOR DURING IT  >> WE CAN WORK ON LANGUAGE,  HOWEVER THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM  FOR THE LANGUAGE WHAT WE I  COULD RELY ON EDUCATION ABOUT.  >> WHAT EXACTLY MEANS AS FAR  AS WHAT KIND OF.  >> PAYMENT MECHANISMS THAT WE  USE. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU'RE  SAYING. YOU WANT THE PUBLIC TO  KNOW YOU SING WITH IN THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE OR IN THE  CHARTER AND THEN IT'S UP TO  CHARTER AMENDMENT ACTUAL  LANGUAGE THAT'S GOING INTO THE  CHARTER MAKES THAT  DISTINCTION. YEAH, VERY  CLEARLY BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE  SAYING THAT THE EDUCATION  YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WITHIN THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE. WE'RE BEYOND  WHAT THE CITY'S GOING TO DO TO  EDUCATE THE PUBLIC.  >> INDOOR THE ORDINANCE I KNOW  ARE LIMITED TO 75 BUT I JUST  AWAY WITH 75 WORDS YOU CAN GET  THE STUFF IN THERE I GET BUT I  THINK THE DISTINCTION  IMPORTANT TO MAKE BECAUSE  PEOPLE AS PERCEPTIONS AND THEN  THERE ARE THE ONES WE'RE GOING  TO VOTE ON THIS CHARTER  AMENDMENT IS THAT WE'RE ASKING  FOR THE ABILITY TO BORROW  MONEY FOR PROJECTS TO HELP THE  SAINTS TO RELIEF. I THINK  PEOPLE GET AND INFRASTRUCTURE  FAILURE PEOPLE GET IT. BUT  EVEN THOSE PROJECTS. IF THE  ABILITY TO PAY FOR THAT DEBT  TO ADDRESS THOSE 2 CATEGORIES  IN FALLS USING GENERAL FUND  YOU GOT TO GO TO A REFERENDUM.  EVEN FOR THOSE FOR HURRICANE  THAT BLOWS THE CITY AWAY IF  WE'RE GOING TO GENERAL  OBLIGATION USE APPLE A NICE I  TO PAY FOR THAT IF WE CAN USE  OUR OWN MONEY THAT'S ONE THING  THE LIKE WE DID WE HAD WE FROM  BALANCES AND WE USE THAT THE  PAY FOR DEBRIS REMOVAL, BUT IF  WE DIDN'T LIKE WE DO NOW AND  WE HAD TO GO BORROW.  REGARDLESS OF THIS CHART IT.  WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO ASK  PERMISSION. SIMPLY BECAUSE  THERE'S NO WAY TO PAY IT BACK  IN ROAD DRAINAGE UTILITIES AND  OTHER DISTRICTS HAD THOSE  FUNDS AVAILABLE TO DO SO ANY  GENERAL FUND MONEY PROPERTY  TAX MONEY WOULD REQUIRE PUBLIC  APPROVING EVEN WITH THIS  REFERENDUM AND THAT'S REALLY  IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GIVES  PEOPLE IT SHOULD GIVE PEOPLE  THE COMFORT THAT THE ONLY  PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO OR  EVEN IN AN EMERGENCY WOULD BE  THOSE WHICH WHICH WE ALREADY  HAVE BUILT OUR DISTRICT  FUNDING THE ABILITY TO PAY  FOR. IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF  PROPERTY TAXES. I MEAN  PREACHING BUT BUT IT'S AN  IMPORTANT THING FOR PEOPLE TO  REALLY GET HERE BECAUSE NOBODY  REALLY IS FOCUSING ON THAT  EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT THE TOP  DOWN CAPS CAN WE PUT IN HOW  MUCH BORROWING ALL ABOUT. HOW  ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.  ANYWAY ALL ALL. YEAH, YOU LIKE  LET OTHER PEOPLE TALK BUT I  JUST WANT TO SET  ♪ >> GOOD MORNING. MEAN THINK  HAS TO I'M IN STRICT JUST WANT  TO CLARIFY GENERAL FUND AS  OTHER REVENUE SOURCES, NOT  JUST PROPERTY TAXES. SO  GENERAL OBLIGATION PROPERTY  TAXES, BUT WE COULD USE  GENERAL FUND LIKE THERE'S SOME  SALES TAX OR SOME OTHER  REVENUE SOURCES IN THE GENERAL  FUND THAT COULD BE YOU BRING  UP A GREAT POINT.  >> BEFORE I LET GO AND THAT  SURE PACKS RIGHT BECAUSE THERE  WAS GREAT CONSTERNATION WHEN  WE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING THE  POLICE BUILDING BY TAKING A  BIG CHUNK OF MONEY OUT WE  COULD PROTECT THAT SURTAX  MONEY IN THIS CONNECTION  BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN AREA  WE GET THAT WITH THIS  REFERENDUM. SO LET'S PROTECT  THOSE PROJECTS THAT SIT WITHIN  THE SURTAX. WHAT HAVE THE  ABILITY TO LEVERAGE. WITH  SURTAX MONEY JUST LIKE PRICE.  WHAT ARE WE DOING. WE'RE  EXPANDING PRICE BOULEVARD AND  HOW ARE WE DOING IT BY ONE OUT  INBOX WE DID IT FOR PERMISSION  COAST RIGHT NOW CHARTER  REQUIRES IT. BUT WE HAVE  PROJECTS WITHIN THE SURTAX  LIST THAT THE STEPS CITIZENS  KIND OF BORDER WALL ON WHEN  THEY APPROVED THE SURTAX  REFERENDUM SURE THAT IF WE  WANT BORROW MONEY ARE NEEDED  TO BORROW MONEY TO LEVERAGE  PROJECTS WITHIN THAT SURTAX  CATEGORY IT WOULD STAY WITHIN  THAT SURTAX CATEGORY WE COULD  SWAP IT OUT FOR SOMETHING  OUTSIDE OF SIRTE SO THERE'S A  WAY TO PROTECT TO SATISFY  THOSE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT THINK  OH WELL, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO  PLUNDER SURTAX WELL, I GUESS  REALLY TRYING TO HONE IN ON IS  THAT. THIS WHOLE CHARTER  AMENDMENT IS REALLY FOR THE  PURPOSE OF ALLOWING OUR  DISTRICTS TO BE ABLE TO BORROW  TO LEVERAGE THE CRITICAL  INFRASTRUCTURE WHETHER IT BE  FOR DISASTER RELIEF EMINENT  STRUCTURE PROJECTS. THAT ARE  IN A ROW TO OUR CITY'S  DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE ROADS  BRIDGES WATER STRUCTURES.  UTILITIES.  >> OK FOR THE TIME THAT I  THINK THAT THAT ATTACK.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THINK A MISSION TO MAKE  THAT AFFECT YOUR NEXT. JUST A  SUGGESTION OF SOMEWHERE IN THE  LANGUAGE WE COULD JAM IN USING  NON VALOREM FUNDS.  >> BACK TO IT.  >> IF I  >> IT IS A CHALLENGE TO KEEP  THESE THINGS UNDER 75 WORDS  BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND  PLAYING I THINK YOU CAN DO  THAT THINK I FOUND A WAY TO.  >> TO TO COME UP WITH WORDS  THAT WOULD CONCERN.  >> SO IF I'M READING THAT  RIGHT IS IT 70 WORDS RIGHT  NOW.  >> I WAS GOING TO ELIMINATE  THE WORD IN THE BEGINNING AND  JUST SAY FLORIDA LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS. SHE'S CERTAIN  DEATH FOR VARIOUS GOVERNMENTAL  PURPOSES. HOWEVER THE CITY  CHARTER REQUIRES VOTER  APPROVAL FOR ISSUING A DEATH  LEAVE ALL THAT TO SAY.  >> DO YOU APPROVE AMENDING THE  CHARTER. GET RID OF THE WORD  TO SAY DO YOU PUT A CHARTER  ALLOWING. THE CITY COMMISSION  TO ISSUE DEBT.  >> FROM FUNDS OTHER THAN  PROPERTY TAXES.  >> WITHOUT INSTRUCTOR WORK  PRIOR WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL  AND THEY GO THE REST OF IT I  THINK THAT 75 BUT I DO. I HAVE  TO PLAY WITH A LITTLE BIT BUT  IT'S IT'S EITHER 75 OR 76,  WHEN YOU'RE PROBABLY GET RID  OF ANOTHER HERE.  >> I LIKE YEAH. IT'S THE WORD  ON A HANDFUL WARMING UP GOOD  NEWS COULD DO IT.  >> SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT  REALLY RECOGNIZE WHAT IT  WITHOUT EVERYONE THAT PROPERTY  YEAH, ANYTHING ELSE. I'M GOOD.  OKAY. COMMISSIONER DOW.  >> THE BIGGER QUESTION IS. AND  HOW TO PROCEED IS GOING TO BE  WITH A CAP OR WITHOUT A CAP  AND THE 3RD OPTION WAS NOT  DISCUSSED WERE PRESENTED. IS  IN THE BACK TO REAL TO FOCUS  BEGINNING OF WHAT STARTED THIS  WHOLE CONVERSATION WAS FOR  EMERGENCY PURPOSES ONLY. THAT  WAS NOT SHARED IN ANY OF THE  DISCUSSIONS SO FAR TODAY EVEN  REALLY LAST WEEK.  >> THE.  >> THERE'S SECOND PROPOSED  LANGUAGE IN THE BACKUP  MATERIAL. THAT'S AS EMERGENCY  RESPONSE WITHOUT A REFERENDUM  THAT COMMISSION MAY AUTHORIZE  CITY OF NORTH PORT BORROW  MONEY IT'S AN ISSUE REVENUE  BONDS TO THE FULL EXTENT  PERMITTED BY THE STATE  CONSTITUTION. AS A DIRECT  ROUTE AND I'M SKIPPING AS A  DIRECT RESULT OF THE EMERGENCY  OR DISASTER. THAT'S WHAT  STARTED THE WHOLE  CONVERSATION. WAS TO BE ABLE  TO ISSUE DEBT TO RECOVER FROM  AN EMERGENCY. I LIKE THAT.  PURPOSE BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE  TO EXPAND ON IN TO INCLUDE THE  INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE.  IMMINENT INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE  SYSTEM FAILURE THAT WAY THEN  GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF  BROADER OPPORTUNITY TO FIX. I  DON'T KNOW A WATER CONTROL  STRUCTURE BRIDGE THAT MAY  FAIL. I'M NOT AS A RESULT OF A  EMERGENCY ARE DECLARED  DISASTER. BUT I ALSO AGAIN  RECOGNIZE THIS IS WHAT I WANT  IT IS NOT WHAT THE COMMISSION  WANTS IT IS NOT WHAT STAFF  WANTS. IT IS HOW WILL WE GET  THE VOTERS, 2. SAY YES TO A  REFERENDUM REMOVING THEIR  ABILITY VOTE ON ISSUING DEBT.  RIGHT NOW AS EVERYBODY KNOWS  THE VOTERS AND THE VOTERS HAVE  TO APPROVE IT PAIGE HUGO'S THE  PHRASE THAT WE'VE HEARD  CONSTANTLY. BUT THERE. THE  VOTERS COULD IT. APPROVE DEBT  BEING ISSUED FOR A WIDE  VARIETY OF THINGS IF THE  COMMISSION SAYS LET'S GO TO  REFERENDUM.  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THE  POLICE STATION THAT  >> ANYTHING WE CAN ISSUE A  REFERENDUM TO GO TO THE  VOTERS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT  WE NEED TO HAVE EMERGENCY  POWERS. AND BE ABLE TO ACT  QUICKLY.  >> WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY  OR DISASTER IMMINENT FAILURE.  THAT'S THE FOCUS IN MY  OPINION. WE CAN ALWAYS GO TO  THE VOTERS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE  AFTER THAT.  >> IT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT  WE HAVE TO HAVE. AND KIND OF  FIND THIS SWEET AND THEN JUST  REALLY FOCUS ON THE PRIZE AND  THAT IS TO GET THE VOTERS TO  SAY YES. WHAT ARE WE SAYING  YES TO IS THE CONVERSATION  THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY. I.  THERE'S A COUPLE SUGGESTIONS  THAT I HAVE REGARDING THE  CHARTER BUT THE LANGUAGE. I  HAS TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE  PROPERTY TAXES. TO BOATERS  WILL STILL BE VOTING ON THOSE  PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. YES,  IT'S STATE LAW. IN THE  CHARTER. IT IS VERY LEE  BELIEVES. WHEN YOU WHEN YOU  LOOK AT SOME OF THE CHARTER  LANGUAGE, IT'S VERY LEGALLY IT  NEEDS TO BE SIMPLIFIED. IN MY  OPINION. SO I DON'T REALLY  KNOW WHERE EXACTLY WE'RE GOING  TO START TO BE ABLE TO OUT PUT  IT WITH A NICE PRETTY BOW. SO  THAT THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD  STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY CAN  MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING  BACK FIRST READING. SO I JUST  WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THERE  WAS A 3RD OPTION THAT WASN'T  DISCUSSED AND I WAS KIND OF  SHARING WHERE I WAS GOING WITH  THE TENT. THANK LIKE WHAT  MISTER MILLER PROPOSED AND.  >> IT SEEMED AS THE APP TO SEE  ON MISTER MILLER, YOU THERE.  2, RESTATE WHAT DO YOU I ROUND  WITH THE LANGUAGE THERE TO GET  GET TO THE 75 WORDS AND SURE  YOU TAKE OUT THE PHRASE  WITHOUT PRIOR VOTER APPROVAL.  >> NO I JUST GOT THE WORD  PRIOR.  >> I SO SO I THINK THE WAY I  WOULD READ IT AND RECOUNTED  SOME WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK MY  MASK, BUT I THINK IT'S 75. SO  IT'S A FLORIDA LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS CAN ISSUE CERTAIN  DEBT FOR VARIOUS GOVERNMENTAL  PURPOSES. HOWEVER, THE CITY  CHARTER REQUIRES VOTER  APPROVAL BEFORE ANY THAT. DO  YOU APPROVE AMENDING THE  CHARTER ALLOWING THE CITY  COMMISSION TO ISSUE DEBT. HAIL  FROM FUNDS OTHER THE PROPERTY  TAXES WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.  AND THEN THE REST OF IT STAYS  THE SAME. OKAY. I THINK 75  >> AND I WAS THINKING IF WE  NEED ANOTHER  >> MAYBE TAKE OUT THAT WORD,  HOWEVER IF YOUR TRAY  SCRAMBLING PRIOR TO GET IT.  BUT AT PAYABLE THAT'S A GOOD  POINT OKAY, WE GET AFTER  PURPOSES YET IS THAT PAYABLE  FROM FUNDS OTHER THAT. PAYABLE  FROM FARMS OTHER DAY PROPERTY  TAXES.  >> OKAY BUT WE WOULD LEAVE  >> WITHOUT PRIOR VOTER  APPROVAL. IT WOULD LEAVE THAT  IN.  >> AND WERE HAVE HOWEVER  INSTEAD. YOU COULD LEAVE THE  PRIOR IN THERE.  >> BUT THAT THAT PHRASE STILL  HAS TO BE IN THERE. ALLOW THE  CITY COMMISSION TO ISSUE DEBT.  >> WITHOUT PRIOR VOTER  APPROVAL, THOUGH EVEN WITHOUT  PRIOR APPROVAL WITHOUT  APPROVAL AT THAT LOCATION  THERE THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S I  JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT  OKAY, BUT I LIKE.  >> 77  >> IT'S 77 DO JUST THAT. THAT  WOULD TAKE OUT THE HOWEVER  SURE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER WORD  GET OUT  OF THERE.  >> AND AND MIKE ARE WE CAN  PLAY WITH THAT AND GET THEM,  YOU KNOW THE INTENT.  >> AND DEFINITELY MAYOR I  WOULD I WOULD RECOMMEND IT OR  PREVENT RATHER TRYING THAN  TRYING TO WORDSMITH TODAY IS  THE RISE. YOU KNOW REALLY GET  IT AND TRY TO GET INTO IT AND  NOT FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN TO  POINT WHERE SECOND READING  NEXT AND YOU GO WAIT A MINUTE  RIGHT A LITTLE BIT TO VOTERS  HERE SO YES, YOU KNOW IF YOU  LET US KNOW WHAT YOU NEED WE  CAN WORK WITH THAT AND SEE  WHAT CAN ACCOMPLISH, THANK YOU  BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT  THE HEART OF WHAT IT IS WE'RE  WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH  HERE AND. I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT  EDUCATING THE PUBLIC BUT A LOT  OF PEOPLE UNFORTUNATELY.  >> WE'LL JUST SEE THIS THAT  WILL BALLOT AND THIS IS WHAT  THEY'RE SO WHATEVER YOU PUT  OUT PRIOR TO YOU HAVE TO KIND  OF DISCOUNT THIS IS WHAT  THEY'RE GOING TO SAY AND I  WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS IS.  >> SAYING EXACTLY WHAT THEY  THINK THEY'RE VOTING AND I  DON'T WANT HAVE ANY WORDS AND  THERE ARE PHRASES THAT ARE  GOING TO BE LIKE A A RED FLAG  LIKE ALL I DON'T WANT THIS,  BUT THEY DON'T REALLY  UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS I  WANT TO BE SURE THAT THIS IS  CLEAR SO THAT.  >> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE  AND I'M LOOKING AT THINGS AS  BEING MORE PROACTIVE AND  COMMISSIONER.  >> MIGUEL I THINK ALLUDED TO  THIS BE ABLE TO FIX THINGS  BEFORE EMERGENCY THAT WE CAN  GO OUT AND. BORROW MONEY TO  FIX THINGS SO I THINK WE'RE  MAKING SOME PRETTY GOOD  PROGRESS HERE. VICE MAYOR.  >> THERE ARE A SMALL ROMAN  NUMERAL WANTED TO BELIEVE  THAT'S PART OF. THE ACTUAL  LANGUAGE JUST OR NOT. WHERE IT  SAYS YOU KNOW AFTER FORT. NOT  PROPERTY TAX TALKS TO RESPOND  TO A DECLARED EMERGENCY OR  DISASTER IN 2. I WORDED IT FOR  HIM AND INFRASTRUCTURE  FAILURE, AN ESSENTIAL DISTRICT  PROJECTS SUCH AS BRIDGES WATER  STRUCTURES, ROADS, SANITATION  AND UTILITIES. AND THAT WILL  TIGHTEN AND STILL CAME IN. AND  THAT'S 75 WERE TRYING LEAVE  HOUSTON. THOSE 2 PIECES PART  OF THE LANGUAGE AS WELL. WE DO  THINK THAT IN. SO THERE'S A  WAY TO TWEAK THAT TOO. YEAH, I  MEAN. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  MAKES MAKES A GOOD POINT. WE  CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF STAT. WE  UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THIS I  THINK WE REALLY DO AND I THINK  THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE  THAT TOO BUT I THINK FOR THE  GENERAL PUBLIC. MANY OF THEM  ARE LOOKING AT THIS FOR THE  FIRST TIME OR WILL BE AND WHAT  THEY'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON HIS  WORK WE'RE ASKING. FOR THE  PERMISSION TO BORROW AND I  THINK THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE  LANGUAGE REAL GOOD WITH  CHARTER PEACE I THINK 75 WORDS  ARE GOOD AND TIGHT IN THE  ORDINANCE ITSELF. AND AND THEN  MANAGEMENT POLICY SAYS WE'LL  TALK ABOUT LATER, I THINK YOU  KNOW WE CAN BE A LITTLE MORE  EXPLANATORY. WEAKENED OFF A  LITTLE DEEPER ARE IN IN OUR  EDUCATION PROCESS TO THE  PUBLIC WE WE CAN MAKE THIS  UNDERSTOOD BUT.  >> TO ME THE THE WHAT'S  REALLY.  >> WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS THAT.  WITHOUT TOUCHING PROPERTY TAX  OR DISTRICTS HAVE THE ABILITY  TO SERVE A STEP OR READY. THEY  JUST CAN'T LEVERAGE THEY  HAVING THEIR BUDGETS  SIGNIFICANT FUNDS ALLOCATED  FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS ON AN  ANNUAL BASIS. BUT AS WE KNOW  LIGHT WITH WATER AND SEWER. A  100 YEAR PROJECT IF WE COULD  LEVERAGE THE ABILITY. WHY ARE  WE COULD DO THESE PROJECTS ON  A MORE EXPEDITIOUS BASIS WE  COULD LOCK IN PRICES IN MANY  INSTANCES WHERE WE COULD LEVEL  OUT COURSE A LOT BETTER AND  AND THAT'S VALUE DOING THIS  THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR THIS  DEBT, IT EXISTS PRESENTLY  WITHIN OUR DISTRICT AND THAT'S  A STORY THAT NEEDS TELLING  BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO  UNDERSTAND THIS DOES NOT MEAN  WE'RE REACH INTO THEIR POCKETS  NOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT  BUILDING A POLICE HEADQUARTERS  AREAS AND DEVELOPMENT WHICH  INVOLVES USING PROPERTY TAXES,  THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY AND  FOR THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO  VOTE THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT  TO VOTE THAT'S THE LAW.  >> COMMISSIONER DOW.  >> AND THEY HAVE CURIOSITY  QUESTION. GOOD ROAD AND  DRAINAGE BECAUSE IT'S EASIEST  ONE TO PICK ON RIGHT IF  BRITAIN DURING IT HAS AN  ASSESSMENT. THAT THEY PAY ON  THE PROPERTY TAX PROPERTY  OWNERS PAY ON THEIR PROPERTY  TAXES OF A $150 THAT IS WHAT  THEIR ASSESSMENT IS IN THIS  HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION. WE ARE  ABLE TO ISSUE REVENUE DEBT,  USING FUTURE DISTRICT. ROAD  AND DRAINAGE DISTRICT FUNDS.  AND LET'S SAY THAT FUTURE DEBT  INCREASES THE 150 ASSESSMENT  TODAY TO $200. TO BE ABLE TO  DO WHATEVER THAT PROJECT IS.  DOES THAT HAVE TO GO TO A  VOTER REFERENDUM. BECAUSE I  UNDERSTAND IT'S AN ASSESSMENT  IT'S NOT AD VALOREM TAXES AND  I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE USING  FUTURE REVENUE DISTRICT FUNDS.  BUT I I NEED THE CLARITY THAT  THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE TO  GO TO A VOTER REFERENDUM. I  HOPE MADE MY QUESTION CLEAR.  >> TALKING ABOUT A AD VALOREM  PROPERTY ASSESSMENT.  >> AND ASSESSMENT INCREASE TO  WHATEVER THAT DISTRICT.  BECAUSE THAT IT DOESN'T IT.  >> SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO  INTERRUPT NO GO AHEAD. IT'S A  AD VALOREM PROPERTY ASSESSMENT  EVEN IF IT GOES ON THE TAX  BILL WHICH A LOT OF  ASSESSMENTS TOO THAT WOULD NOT  BE CONSIDERED PROPERTY TAXES  UP IF THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO  MILEAGE. IF THEY'RE DETERMINED  IN A DIFFERENT WAY ON THE  BENEFIT BASES.  >> THE NO THAT WOULD NOT BE  CONSIDERED A PROBLEM THAT'S  EXACTLY WHAT I THAT EVERYBODY  HAS BEEN SAYING, BUT I JUST  NEEDED TO HEAR FOR CLARITY.  >> THAT THE INCREASE IN  ASSESSMENT WOULD NOT GO TO THE  VOTER I THINK I EXPRESSED LAST  DISCUSSION. THE WHAT IF  SCENARIO AND YES, I KNOW YOU  CANNOT PREDICT ANY WHAT IF  SCENARIO, BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT  GO BACK TO 2008. AND 9 AND WE  HAD NO DEBT AT THAT MAYBE SOME  UTILITIES, I'M NOT SURE. BUT  IF IF WE USED WRECKED IF WE  USE THE REVENUE TO PAY THE  DEBT AND THAT REVENUE SOURCE  DRIED UP. HOW WOULD THAT GET  REPAID AND I'M NOT TALKING  ABOUT DISTRICT ASSESSMENTS.  I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT.  >> POTENTIALLY SURTAX  REVENUES, POTENTIAL FUTURE  SIRTEX HAVE SAY SALES TAX  REVENUE.  >> OR ELSE BRINGS FUTURE  MISSIONS REVENUES THOSE KIND  OF REVENUE SOURCES, NOT  NECESSARILY DRY UP A 100%.  >> BUT THAT COULD BE A  SCENARIO BUT ARE CONSIDERABLY  REDUCED. HOW WOULD WE MEET THE  BOND REQUIREMENTS FOR  REPAYMENT HOW HOW DOES THAT  LOOK.  >> SO SO IF I COULD TO THE  CREDIT MARKETS, THE FOLKS THAT  END UP PROVIDING THE FUNDS AND  PURCHASE SENIOR DEBT MAKE  DETERMINATIONS ABOUT THE  CREDIT QUALITY OF THE REVENUE  STREAM TO YOU ONE SECURE THAT  THAT SO FOR INSTANCE, YOU USE  THE SURTAX AS AN EXAMPLE, THE  CREDIT MARKETS WOULD NOT LEND  YOU MORE SOME PERCENTAGE OF  THOSE REVENUES THAT YOU. CREW  HAVE COLLECT IT. AND SO LOOK  AT HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS  DON'T DO THEIR PROJECTIONS  BASED ON YOU KNOW THE GROWTH  OF THE CITY THE GROWTH OF THE  COMMUNITY AND SO AT THE END OF  THE DAY TO SECURE IF STRUCTURE  SELTZER TAXES. YOUR OBLIGATION  IS GOING TO BE SUMS FAIRLY  SIGNIFICANT ABOUT LESS THAN  WHAT TYPICALLY COLLECT. NOW IF  THINGS GO CRAZY LIKE YOU SAID  WE HAVE SOME SORT OF. THE  INCREDIBLE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN.  THAT IS THAT IS THE PERSON  EXTENDING CREDITS RISK. THAT'S  THE RISK THAT THEY TAKE YOU  WOULD HAVE LEGAL OBLIGATION TO  MAKE UP FOR FROM ANY SOURCE  OTHER THAN WHAT YOU SECURE  THAT THAT WAS DOUBT YOU COULD  CHOOSE AS A POLICY MATTER AT  THAT POINT IN TIME THAT IF  THERE WERE OTHER LEGALLY  AVAILABLE 9, THAT COULD  SUPPORT TODAY YOU COULD YOU  COULD CHOOSE TO USE THOSE TO  AVOID A DEFAULT BUT HE WOULD  NOT COMING OUT TOO.  >> APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER I  JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HEARD.  >> IT CORRECTLY. SO IF LET'S  SAY WE USE ARE TAX WE KNEW  THAT DURING COVID SURTAX  DROPPED CONSIDERABLY.  >> AND LET'S SAY BOND WAS  USING SIRTEX TO PAY IT BACK  AND WE COULD NOT MEET THOSE  DEBT OBLIGATIONS. WE ARE NOT  REQUIRED TO USE OTHER SOURCES  TO PAY THAT BACK. BUT THEN  THAT MEANS WE AUTOMATICALLY  DEFAULT.  >> AGAIN YOU IF YOU DO THAT IF  YOU PLEDGE TO SERVE TAXES AND  THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING PAY  THE DEBT.  >> FROM.  >> AND YOU DON'T HAVE  SUFFICIENT AMOUNTS YOUR  OPTIONS ARE YES TO TO NOT PAY  TO BE IN THE FALL. OR TO TO  FIND SOME OTHER REVENUE  SOURCES THAT YOU'RE NOT  LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO USE BUT  THAT YOU COULD USE AND THOSE  WILL BE DONE ON PROPERTY  TAXES.  >> IF WE WERE TO.  >> OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD CHOOSE  NOT TO DEFAULT I WOULD THINK  THAT'S OBVIOUS. IT IS WE SAID  WE HAVE TO RAISE MILITARY TO  PAY THAT THAT THAT THAT WOULD  GO TO THE VOTERS.  >> NOT NECESSARILY BUT YOU  REALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE  THE PROPERTY TAXES. I MEAN.  YEAH IF YOU IF YOU ENDED UP  MAKING THE DECISION POLICY WAS  THAT WE NEED TO RAISE OUR  MILEAGE IN ORDER TO HAVE  SUFFICIENT FUNDS YOU KNOW TO  NOT ONLY.  >> OPERATE THE GOVERNMENT BUT  TO PAY THIS DEBT THAT WOULD  NOT HAVE TO GO THE PROPERTY  OWNERS NOW IF IN TRYING TO  WORK OUT POTENTIAL SITUATION  WITH THE BANK OR MORE. THE  BONDHOLDERS YOU DECIDED THAT  YOU COULDN'T DECIDE TO SECURE  THAT DEBT WITH PROPERTY TAXES.  YOU OBLIGATE YOURSELF TO RAISE  THE MILEAGE, YOU COULD CHOOSE  AS A POLICY MATTER TO RAISE  YOU KNOW IT'S JUST LIKE YOU  CAN RAISE YOU KNOW WHAT TO ANY  TIME WHEN SHOULD YOU KNOW FREE  UP SOME OTHER NOT AN ACTUAL  REVENUE SOURCES THAT YOU COULD  USE TO PAY THAT. THIS WORLD,  IT'S A YOU DEFAULTS BY FLORIDA  LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN IN  PAYMENT OF THEIR MINUSCULE  ALMOST NONEXISTENT.  >> I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWER MY  QUESTIONS IF IF I MAY CAN HAVE  A RELATED DIRECTLY RELATED TO  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. MISTER  MILLER, WHAT WOULD BE THE  LIKELIHOOD AND IT  CATASTROPHIC.  >> SITUATION THAT THE CITY  COULD. RESTRUCTURE THAT THAT  WOULD GOOD LENDER IS B.  ANNABELLE TO RESTRUCTURING THE  REPAYMENT TERMS OF THAT DEBT.  >> THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT  YOU KNOW IN FLORIDA YOU'RE NOT  ALLOWED TO PUT YOU KNOW YOUR  PHYSICAL ASSETS SO THE ONLY  THING THE BONDHOLDERS HAVE AND  DISCUSSING YOU KNOW A SECURITY  INTEREST IN THOSE  INFRASTRUCTURE TAX REVENUES TO  THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE NOT  SUFFICIENT. YES, I THINK. I  CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERY CREDIT  PROVIDER, BUT I WOULD THINK  THAT THEY WANT TO BE  STRUCTURED UNTIL THERE'S A  POINT IN TIME WHERE YOUR  INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX US ARE  BACK TO LEVELS THEY  HISTORICALLY HAVE THAT.  >> AND YOU GET TO THAT I WANT.  >> WE HAVE AN ASSET TO  FORECLOSE LIKE YOU KNOW WITH  YOUR MORTGAGE OR SOMETHING IF  YOU DON'T PAY CAN'T WORK  SOMETHING OUT THEN THEY CAN  THEY CAN TAKE A ASSET THEY  DON'T HAVE THAT. REMEDY  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE TO  HAVE. SOMETHING  >> AND QUESTION. YES, UP 2  THINGS.  >> FIRST THING IS WHEN MISTER  MILLER THINKING I COULD NOT  HEAR A SINGLE EAST SIDE AND I  CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN. BUT I  DON'T KNOW, THE CITIZENS OUT  ARE ABLE TO HEAR HIM REACHED  BOMB.  >> SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW  ABOUT THAT  >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND  IT GOES BACK TO THE SCENARIO  WHERE IF WE DID PUT CAPS ON  AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT  SINGLE PROJECTS I'M GOING TO  USE THIS AS THE SCENARIO.  LET'S SAY PUBLIC WORKS HAS THE  NEED TO. GET 10 OF THEIR WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES TAKING CARE  AND IT COMES OUT TO 26 MILLION  DOLLARS UNDER THE COULD DE  GROOT. ONE PROJECT TO BE ABLE  TO BORROW AND GET THOSE WEARS  SEARCHED. MORE TIMELY THAN  HAVING TO WANTED TO A YEAR AND  I UNDERSTAND THE TIME, LABOR  AND CONSTRUCTION AND  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT  THAT'S THAT'S OUR FLOODING  CAPABILITIES AND. I JUST  WANTED TO KNOW IF IT COULD BE  GROUPED TOGETHER ON LIKE THE  WATER CONTROL REHABILITATION  PROJECT AND THEY GOT AND WHERE  IS GETTING FIXED AT ONE TIME.  WOULD THAT WORK IN THAT  SCENARIO.  >> YES COMMISSIONER WE WOULD  BE ABLE TO SET A PROJECT WITH  MULTIPLE. WATER CONTROL  STRUCTURES AND WORK ON THAT AS  A WHOLE PROJECT.  >> OKAY I JUST I AGAIN WANT TO  PIECEMEAL IT LIKE WE'RE DOING  NOW AND I I KNOW WHY WE'RE  DOING IT NOW BUT IF WE'RE  GOING TO GET INTO FLOODS.  LET'S BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT  CORRECTLY SO.  >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH THAT'S  ALL I IN JUST A THOUGHT GOING  SPEAK DIRECTLY TO WHAT  COMMISSIONER EMRICH BROUGHT UP  BECAUSE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT  AGAIN THERE'S THE FOCUS ON THE  CAP.  >> THAT'S NOT WHAT CONTROLS  THIS PROCESS WHAT CONTROLS  THIS PROCESS YOUR ABILITY TO  PAY THAT IF WE WE WANT TO DO  50 STRUCTURES. IT'S ABSURD OR  EVEN IF THE COST OF THOSE IS  LESS THAN 28 MILLION BECAUSE.  WE CAN'T SERVICE THE ON  28 MILLION WE CAN ONLY SERVICE  FROM PROPERTY TAX RELATED  FARMS. WHITE REVENUES BASED ON  ABILITY TO PAY SO YOU TAKE  ROAD DRAINAGE SHOULD TAKE  UTILITY SHOULD TAKE ANY OF  THESE DEPARTMENTS. THEY CAN'T  PAY MORE THAN WHAT THEY CAN  AFFORD TO PAY AND AND THAT  LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS  THAT LIMITS THE NUMBER THE  AMOUNT OF BORROWING THAT'S THE  FORMAT THAT'S BUILT INTO THE  SYSTEM THE WAY IT IS TO PUT UP  28 MILLION 20 OR 15 A SUB  SERVICE BECAUSE. SOME  OPPONENTS WILL GET ANYWHERE  NEAR THAT. AND IT'S SO IT'S  IT'S IT DON'T LOOK AT IT FROM  LOOK AT IT FROM THE BOTTOM HOW  MUCH COULD YOU AFFORD TO  BORROW AND SERVICE IN ORDER TO  MOVE THESE PROJECTS WILL WANT  A MORE EXPEDITIOUS PACE.  >> THAT'S AND THEN REALLY I  MAY I HAVE A CASE FOLLOW ALONG  VICE MAYOR. AND I THINK WHAT  YOU'RE SAYING VICE MAYOR WAY  TOO MUCH FOR REFERENDUM  LANGUAGE. BUT I THINK A KEY  MESSAGE YEAH AND OUR  COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE AND I  JUST WANT TO PUT OUT YOU KNOW,  WE'RE USED TO TALKING ABOUT  MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF  DOLLARS ON A DAILY BASIS. SO  TO ME PUTTING 28 MILLION  DOLLARS THAT'S PROBABLY TOO  LOW BUT MAYBE THAT'S A  REASONABLE CAP.  >> I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT  THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD SEE  THAT NUMBER AND GO THAT'S WAY  TOO MUCH TO APPROVE BECAUSE  THEY THEY DON'T TYPICALLY DEAL  WITH.  >> SIZES OF AMOUNTS AND I  THINK HAVING.  >> I REALLY LIKE HAVING THE  LANGUAGE THAT TALKS TO THE  KINDS OF PROJECTS. SO IT'S NOT  WE HAVE A WHIM AND WE BORROW  MONEY TO DO IT. BUT SPECIFIC  KINDS OF PROJECTS AND THEN  HAVING LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT  IT'S NOT PROPERTY TAX I THINK  THOSE ARE THE 2 DRIVING. HE  SAYS FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE  INFORMED DECISION. OKAY SO.  GOING FOR THE.  >> A LANGUAGE DOES NOT HAVE NO  CAMP NO CAMP.  >> BUT WITH THE ADDED IT'S  THAT MISTER MILLER MADE YES.  >> NON.  >> PROPERTY TAXES OR SOMETHING  LIKE THAT DOES THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER DOW.  >> IT'S NO SECRET THAT I'M ON  THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE I  BELIEVE THAT WE DO HAVE TO  HAVE A CAP. I UNDERSTAND THESE  TODAY WHAT IS BEFORE US AND  THE NEEDS THAT ARE BEFORE ARE  THE INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT IF YOU  HAVE NO CAP. DOES THAT MEAN  AND THAT THE TO WEIGH IN ON  THE POLICE STATION. YOU KNOW  THE 122 MILLION DOLLARS FOR  THE PLAYSTATION.  >> SO COACH K PAY FOR THE  POLICE STATION ANYTHING OTHER  I DON'T WHICH REQUIRES A  REPUBLIC REFERENDUM. I THAT'S  RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I KNOW WE  KNOW. THAT'S WHAT. HOW DO YOU  WHAT THE CITIZENS KNOW THIS  HOW DO YOU LET. I DO GET THEM  TO SEE PAST THAT BECAUSE.  >> RIGHT NOW THEY.  >> HAVE TO IMPROVE ANY DEBT.  WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ISSUING  DEBT FROM THE POLICE STATION  FOR WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES  HURTING RECOVERY  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THERE'S A  OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO  ISSUE DEBT FOR. AND OF COURSE  IT'S BASED ON THE ABILITY TO  PAY THAT BACK. WE'RE ASKING  THE CITIZENS TO GIVE UP THAT  AUTHORITY. THAT THEY HAVE 100%  CONTROL OF NOW AND SAME IN THE  VOTERS WOULD THEN BE SEEN IF  THEY APPROVED IT OK ISSUE  WHATEVER DATE YOU WANT. NOT  IT'S A HARD ONE WHILE GETTING  USED TO ORDINANCE WE GOT THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT'S LOT  TO TO EDUCATE PEOPLE BECAUSE  REALLY HATE TO SAY IT. BUT THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT'S THE ODD  MAN OUT.  >> WHAT I LIKE MAKE ONE POINT  IF I MAY. ANY DEBT WOULD STILL  REQUIRE. TO PUBLICLY NOTICE  MEETINGS AND ORDINANCE PUBLIC  WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO  THAT WE JUST HAPPY IN THE  REFERENDUMS.  >> AND IT'S NOT IN THE  LANGUAGE THAT EMERGENCY  MEETING IS NOT PART OF OPTION  BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN  EMERGENCY MEETING THE  ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED. SO WE  NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS  CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT EMERGENCY  MEETINGS ARE NOT APPLICABLE  THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO  SEPARATE PROBABLY NOTICED  MEETINGS. HAVE WE A WITH THE  DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE  DIMENSIONS PLAINS. THAT WAS  NOT AN EMERGENCY BUT IT WAS  DONE AT AN EMERGENCY MEETING.  THE BUILD A LOT OF LANGUAGE  INTO THE ABSOLUTELY THAT'S  WHAT IS NECESSARY.  >> THE OTHER PIECE IF THAT I  KNOW. COMMISSIONER WILL BE FOR  ME, IN THE SAME VEIN. IT'S A  SENSITIVE POINT OUT THERE.  CERTAIN TAX IT'S NOT ON  PROPERTY TAX RELATED IT IS A  BUCKET. POTENTIALLY COULD BE  UTILIZED. TO SERVICE DEBT. IF  CHARTER AMENDMENT GOES  THROUGH. I SAY IN THE  ORDINANCE LET'S PROTECT IT.  LET'S PROTECTED FOR THOSE  PEOPLE, 44. THE SURTAX. LAST  YEAR. FOR THE NEXT 15 YEARS  THERE WAS A LAUNDRY LIST OF  PROJECTS. IF THOSE PROJECTS  FOR WITHIN THE SURTAX LIST.  THE ONLY BORROW THE ONLY  SURTAX MONEY THAT COULD BE  USED TO SERVICE WOULD BE FOR.  >> THOSE SURTAX PROJECTS. THIS  WAY NO ONE WOULD FEEL THE  SURTAX FUNDING COULD BE  PLUNDERED TO TAKE CARE CIP  PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF THE SURTAX  LIST THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING  BECAUSE OUR CHAMBER AND MANY  MORE FOR CONCERNED ABOUT THAT  WHEN WE SPEND 2 MONTHS TALKING  ABOUT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS  AND THE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD  TAKE 50 MILLION OUT OF FUND TO  HELP SEARCH. SO THERE'S WAYS  TO PROTECT US, YOU CAN'T PUT  IT IN THE CHARTER RENT CAN  CERTAINLY PUT IT NEEDS OR THE  ORDINANCE OR THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY AND THAT  WOULD CREATE ENORMOUS COMFORT  IT WOULD BE GOOD LOOK AT WHAT  WE DO WITH PRICE BOULEVARD WE  ARE IN FACT UTILIZING SURTAX  DOLLARS TO LEVERAGE A SURTAX  PROJECT WHICH IS PRICE NOT  ASKING TO DO ANYTHING WE  AREN'T ALREADY DOING WE'RE  JUST KEEPING OUR SO WITH SO WE  DON'T PORTLAND OR THAT FUND  BECAUSE AT 15 MIL THAT 16 YEAR  SO FROM WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO  PEOPLE THEY VOTED ON IT. BASED  ON THAT LIST AS WE OUTCRY FROM  THE POLICE DISCUSSIONS SO  ANYWAY THERE'S A WAY TO DO ALL  SHE CAN GET IN 75 WERE  SCRATCHES SURE CAN BUILD A LOT  OF IT INTO THE ORIGIN AND WHAT  YOU CAN'T GET INTO YOUR THAT  YOU CAN BUILD INTO THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON  YOUR NEXT STEP IN I THINK I  SPOKE CASE AND THE VICE I  YEAH, I KNOW THIS IS A.  DIFFICULT TO FIGURE THIS OUT  AS I THINK WE KNOW SHOULD BE  IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HAVING  PRESIDENT AT THAT CONFIDENCE  THAT WE KNOW WHAT SHOULD BE  WITH THAT CAP AND NO CAP. AND  IT'S IT'S SO UNFORTUNATE THAT  THAT REALLY GOES ALONG WITH  THIS TRUST THAT PEOPLE  GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL. THAT  WERE. I THINK THE WORD THAT  WAS USED ONE OUR MEETINGS WAS  FRIVOLOUS WAS JUST GOING TO GO  OFF TO TV OR SOMETHING I DON'T  KNOW BUT. YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S  NECESSARY. IT'S NECESSARY BUT  AT THE SAME TIME I HAVE TO  THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO.  TO SELL I GUESS IS THAT THE  WAY TO PUT IT, WE KNOW THAT WE  CAN GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE  OUT DEBT FOR WATER REVENUES  CAN SUPPORT IT'S JUST WHEN YOU  GO LOOKING FOR A HOUSE THEY  TELL YOU IN COMMENTS YOU HEAR  HERE, YOUR WINDOW THESE ARE  THE HOUSES YOU CAN LOOK AT AND  THIS TIME LOOKING AT THIS LIKE  THE SAME WAY AND THAT THE  PEOPLE IF THEY SAY NO CAP. I'M  INCLINED TO THINK THEY'RE JUST  GOING TO SAY OH YOU'RE JUST  GOING TO GO. CRAZY, IT IS AS  VICE MAYOR ALLUDED TO THE  POLICE. I'M BUILDING THERE IS.  ♪ ALWAYS ON PEOPLE'S MINDS. BUT  THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING  TOTALLY DIFFERENT WE'RE  TALKING  ♪ ABOUT REVENUE SOURCES HAVE TO  BE. ESTABLISHED AND IDENTIFIED  TO PAY THIS BACK.  SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE  THIS UP TO ALL OF YOU TO  FIGURE THIS OUT WHAT WE THINK  IS THE PAST AND THAT'S TAKE  BECAUSE IT'S EITHER WHAT'S  GOING TO TO GET APPROVAL, SO  WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE INTO THE  21ST CENTURY FINALLY AND AND  BORROW. MONEY TO DO THE THINGS  WE NEED TO GET DONE AND THE  CITY AFTER 65 YEARS OF OF NOT  HAVING THIS ABILITY. AND I  THINK THAT WOULD ALSO BE A  STEP THAT WE'RE FINALLY FREE  FROM THE LEGACY OF GENERAL  DEVELOPMENT OF YOU KNOW  HOLDING EVERYBODY AND BUT IT'S  IT'S WHAT THE VOTERS ARE GOING  TO TO GO FOR THAT I THINK  IT'S. THANK AND TO PONY UP FOR  WHAT YOU SAY THERE.  >> YOU WE DO HAVE SOME  LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT THE  CITY CAN DO WITH COURT TOO.  PROMOTING THIS CHARTER  AMENDMENT EDUCATION, IT'S  SOMETHING I THINK WE HAVE SOME  FLEXIBILITY ON EACH ONE OF US  INDIVIDUALLY WE WE SEE IT A  LITTLE DIFFER, BUT I THINK WE  SHARE THE VISION OF THE NEED  FOR THIS TOOL. AND SO WE NEED  ADVOCATE AND WE ARE LEGALLY  ALLOWED TO WE NEED TO MAKE  OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO THE  PUBLIC WE NEED TO TAKE GROUPS  WHO ARE OUT THERE MIGHT WELL  WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF  OF THIS AND EDUCATE SO THAT  THEY CAN HELP ADVOCATE THIS IS  THE GRASSROOTS PROJECT WHETHER  WE WILL SUCCEED OR NOT WILL  DEPEND ON HER ABILITY TO REACH  AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE WE CAN  ONLY DO THE BEST WE CAN TO LET  PEOPLE BECOME AWARE. THERE ARE  SO MANY GOOD EXAMPLES. HOW  THIS WOULD BENEFIT AND THOSE  EXAMPLES NOT ONLY AT THE CITY  LEVEL BUT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL  INDIVIDUALLY FOR INDIVIDUAL  FAMILY FINANCES TO FAMILY  BUSINESSES. THERE ARE SO MANY  EXAMPLES HOW ABILITY TO  LEVERAGE YOUR CASH FLOW AND  THEY WILL SHOOT TO GROW AND  MEET OBLIGATIONS AND SATISFY  WANTS AND NEEDS AND THOSE OF  THE STORIES THAT WE'RE GOING  TO HAVE TO TELL OVER THE NEXT  FEW MONTHS, IT'S JUST  INCUMBENT UPON US TO DO  PERSONALLY. YOU KNOW I HAVE  EVERY INTENTION ONCE WE GET ON  ITS WAY IS IN SEPTEMBER  OCTOBER JUST MAKING MYSELF  AVAILABLE EVERY SINGLE WEEK  ONE NIGHT A WEEK. I DON'T SING  AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS.  ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED. I  MEAN. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  DOES HER OR HURT WORKSHOPS.  YOU KNOW SOMETIMES SHE GETS  1015 SOMETIMES 30 OR 40 BUT  THOSE PEOPLE THEN TALK TO  OTHER PEOPLE THEY SAY GEE YOU  KNOW YOU'RE ASKING ME A  QUESTION I'M NOT QUITE SURE  THE ANSWER WANT TO COME TO THE  NEXT ONE. AND IF WE DO THESE A  LOT WE CAN HELP WE ALL SEEM TO  SHARE THEIR VISION FOR THE  NEED WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE  THAT ALL OF ORIOLES IN THE AIR  AND ALL THE BASES COVERED AND  THEN EDUCATE I WE CAN'T DO  MUCH MORE THAN THAT AND THAT'S  THAT'S BIG PART OF THIS JOB  BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER  RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE AND  WE'RE TRYING TO COVER A LOT OF  BASES. I THINK MIGHT NEED TO  START KIND FOCUSING ON SOME OF  THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER.  WE'VE KIND OF ALREADY COVERED  SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WE WOULD  LIKE TO SEE IN THE BALLOT AND  THEN ALSO FOCUS ON THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY.  >> BUT THE BIGGEST ONE IS I  KNOW WE GAZE PREVIOUS  DIRECTION.  >> TO HAVE NO CAP. DO YOU  BELIEVE THAT THAT IS STILL THE  DIRECTION WE WANT TO PROCEED I  PERSONALLY THINK WE NEED TO  HAVE A CAP. I KNOW  COMMISSIONER LANGDON ALREADY  EXPRESSED HER OPINION OF NO  CAP. I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS  GET THAT PART ADDRESSED SO  THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.  >> YEAH, I AGREE IT'S JUST  IT'S JUST A TOUGH ONE WE GOT  TO DO IT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  HERE FOR WE TO MAKE THESE  TOUGH DECISIONS TRYING TO YOU  COMMISSIONER THINK IT KIND  SHOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING  ACROSS THE BOARD TOO.  NON-EMERGENCY DOT EMERGENCY  RELATED ANOTHER TWEET DISASTER  EMERGENCY RELATED WE'VE GOT  INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE AND  THEN WE'VE GOT CRITICAL  PROJECTS FOR HEALTH AND WEALTH  SO.  >> I MEAN DO WANT TO TRY TO  ISOLATE A CAP TOOK CERTAIN  CATEGORIES WE WANT TO APPLY  ALL IN WHICH CASE. YOU GOT ANY  KIND NUMBER AND YOU'RE LIKE  THAT. MY WORK, GUESTS IN THE  MAJORITY IN PLAYFUL AND UNDER  BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT MADE  FULLY WELL OVER SO DON'T KNOW  WHERE YOU'RE IT IF IT GOES  OVER WE CAN STILL GO TO THE  VOTERS AND ASK THEM.  >> EXCEPT THAT IF WE DO HAVE  AN EMERGENCY AND THAT'S WHY  YOU WANT TO AND EMERGENCY, AND  YOU KNOW IF WE. IF WE PUT A  CAP FOR NON-EMERGENCY. I LIKE  THAT IF WE HAVE NO CAP FOR  DCIP LAYERED I'M GOING OR.  >> AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE  IMMINENT IS THAT LIKE WITHIN A  YEAR WITHIN 3 YEARS IS THAT  LIKE THAT THERE'S A CRACK IN  SOMETHING AND WE'VE GOT FIX IT  NOW I THAT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE  AND IT CAN BE IT CAN BE  MANIPULATED.  AND AND THAT CONCERNS ME.  >> BUT IF WE HAVE A CAP FOR.  HURRICANE EMERGENCY TYPE  SITUATIONS. HOW DOES THAT LOOK  IN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE BECAUSE  YOU'RE SAYING NO CAP FOR  EMERGENCIES.  >> OR.  >> DISASTERS BUT IS NOT THAT  THEN THERE'S A CAP LIKE  WHATEVER THAT MAGIC NUMBERS  THAT WE HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW  HOW YOU WOULD PUT SOMETHING  LIKE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE.  YEAH, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT  THE CAT WOULDN'T ISSUE OF A  CAT.  >> GO WHEN THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE  OF CHARTER MEMBER OF THE  ACTUAL. LANGUAGE OR WOULD IT  BE IN THE ORDINANCE. WHERE  WOULD YOU PUT IT.  >> HAS TO BE IN MAYBE NOT I  DON'T  >> MICHAEL TOLD DEPUTIES HE  TURNED BUT SURE THE CAP WOULD  LANGUAGE WILL LOCATED.  >> THIS IS A CAP ACTION STATED  IN THE BALLOT.  >> LIKE IT HURT ARE CURRENTLY  THE PROPOSE A PROPOSAL FOR  INCLUDING A CAP WOULD SAY THEY  WOULD GET CAP WHERE THAT CAP  IS LOCATED. IT WOULD EITHER IN  THE ACTUAL CHARTER WHICH DON'T  THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA WE  BELIEVE SHOULD BE IN THE  DEFINITION  POLICY COMMISSION DECIDES WHAT  THAT CAP WOULD BE AND I THINK  WE CAN WE CAN INCLUDE IF THE  CAP IS IN THE POLICY THEIRS.  >> THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A  REFERENCE TO HIM ABOUT  LANGUAGE OF THE KAPPA CHARTER  THEN THERE WILL BE A REFERENCE  TO DEVELOP LANGUAGE.  >> THERE GO IF I COULD WEIGH  IN ON THAT. YEAH THAT THE  CHARTER.  >> IS THE CITIZENS DOCUMENT.  >> AND IF THEY HAVE THE  ASSURANCES IN THE CHARTER THAT  OK IF IT'S. IF IT'S DISASTER  AND HURRICANE CAP AND IT'S IN  THE CHARTER FOR THAT AND IT'S  ALSO IN THE CHARTER IT'S  PROJECT RELATED THE CAP IS  ACTS AND THAT'S IN THE CHARTER  THAT GIVES THEM THE ASSURANCES  OF. THIS STABILITY THAT I  THINK A LOT OF THE CITIZENS  ARE LOOKING FOR THE ONES THAT  I HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKING  TO. AGREEING THAT THIS IS  NECESSARY. BUT THE DEVIL IS IN  THE DETAILS AND THEY DON'T  WANT TO RELINQUISH 100%  CONTROL. THEY WANT THE  ASSURANCE WHAT IS GOING TO BE  IN THE POLLEN I MEAN IN THE  CHARTER NOT PROPOSED LANGUAGE  IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL KEPT  IN THE CHARTER.  >> SO YOU COULD DO IT. YOU  HAVE A  >> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A  GOOD COMPROMISE.  >> POSITION NOT IN THE BALLOT  LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER AND  THEN JUST REFERENCING THE  NON-EMERGENCY.  >> CRITICAL SERVICE PEAS.  >> YOU'RE GOING FOR NO CAP AND  THE I BALLOT THAT CAP IN THE  CHARTER AND FOR ARE NOT NOT  KNOW MAYOR THE COUNTY IS IN  THE CHARTER YEARS YEAH.  >> IT WILL SAY THERE WILL BE A  CAP AND WE'LL SAY BASED IT  WILL BASED ON AN E.  >> ON A A.  >> WE HAVEN'T RAISED BASED ON  THAT THAT STRUCTURE. I DON'T  GET THE ACTUAL NUMBER NUMBER  CHARTER LANGUAGE IN THE  ORDINANCE ITSELF.  >> OKAY TO NO CAP NUMBER ON  THE BALLOT, BUT THE CAP NUMBER  WOULD BE IN THE CHARTER NOW  ARE NOT KNOW IF IT'S IN AND 5  IN THE WHICH BASED ON A COST  INDEX INCREASINGLY ANNUALLY  BASED ON THE COST INDEX. NOW  WITHIN THE ACTUAL CHARTER  LANGUAGE YOU'LL SEE THE CAP  AND THE CALCULATION HOW THAT  HOW WELL ACTUALLY THE DRAFT OR  LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED  YEAH DOESN'T THAT THE CAP. BUT  WE WANTED CHART MEANS AND THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE. IT SAYS UP TO  A MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL 28 MILLION  DOLLARS INCREASING ANNUALLY  BASED ON THE AND  >> WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DIRECT  THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING  SIMILAR IN THE BALLOT LANGUAGE  WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, BUT  THEN ALSO IDENTIFYING THAT  NUMBER WILL SHIFT BASED ON  WHATEVER THE INDEX IS  APOLOGIZING SEVERAL OF THE IF  YOU WANT A CAP IN THE CHARTER  THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE BALLOT  LANGUAGE. THE LEGAL  COMPONENTS, THE BALLOT  LANGUAGE IS IT'S SUPPOSED TO  BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TO THE  VOTER WHAT THEY'RE VOTING AND  THAT'S YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A  COMPLEX WE'RE LIMIT YOU KNOW  THAT CAN BE COMPLICATED BUT.  ARE HIGHLY ESTEEMED BOND WHO  BELIEVE IS STILL ON WITH US  HAS ADVISED VERY STRONGLY HAVE  THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS IN THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE. BUT AGAIN IF  THE CHARTER DOES NOT ESTABLISH  A CAP AND IT'S YOUR INTENT TO  ADOPT A POLICY THAT  ESTABLISHES KEPT.  >> THAT'S NOT PART OF THE  REFERENDUM THAT'S PART OF AND  SO THAT WOULD NOT BE REFLECTED  NEED OR HEART OF WHAT TALKING  WHAT'S K.  >> WILL GO WITH THE 28.  CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY.  >> SERIOUS MIXED FEELINGS  ABOUT IT.  >> AND REALLY I COULD I COULD  ARGUE EITHER SIDE EQUALLY  EFFECTIVELY. IT. IT WILL JUST  BE PROJECTS. 28 THAT'S  SCRATCH. I THINK WHILE THE  EMERGENCY WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF  WHEN I IMMEDIATELY THOUGHT  WAS. AND DEBRIS REMOVAL IS  50 MILLION THAT CENTER. BUT  THERE COULD BE WE COULD HAVE A  MASSIVE SEWERAGE I MEAN VENICE  EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE HAS A  MASSIVE SEWERAGE FAILURE.  URGENCY AGAIN BUT.  >> GOING O TRYING TO FIND THE  CAUSE SHE YOU IN MCDOWELL  MANIPULATION ON THE TABLE SO  THAT WE WANT TO TALK THROUGH  IT. WE NEED BECAUSE YOU KEEP  AND THE TRUTH THERE TO BE  >> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE  BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ANY LOOK  ATWATER STRUCTURES LOOK AT  BRIDGES GET ROAD PROJECTS ALL  OF THEM CAN BE CONTAINED ABOUT  A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS  WITHIN A MORE LIMITED DOLLAR  SNOW AND WOULD MAKE OUR  CITIZENS A LOT MORE  COMFORTABLE THAN 28 MILLION. I  MEAN.  >> I MANAGER SAID GETTING  REMEMBER CITIZENS NEED TO BE  COMFORTABLE THAT COUNTY HAS.  >> 2 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. WE  AND THEY HAVE 28 MILLION  FORWARD.  >> PROJECT PROJECTS ARE JUST  AS EXPENSIVE AS THERE'S YES  GOT THE STEAL MONEY TO PAY FOR  IS A LOT IS MUCH MORE  RESTRICTIVE WHICH MEANS I  DON'T CARE WHAT KEPT YOU PUT  ON. 2 MORE WERE NOT CAP AND  OUT ANY TIME SOON BECAUSE YOU  KNOW WE AND REALLY WANT  BECAUSE DELTA BY THE  LIMITATION OF THE FUND ITSELF  YOU WANT TO PAY YOU KNOW HOW  WATER STRUCTURE WE DO IN A  YEAR. HOW MUCH COULD ROAD  DRAINAGE OR ANYONE  DEPARTMENTS. CASH FLOW ABILITY  TO SERVICE DEBT. WOULD PUSH US  OUT SO I'M NOT SAYING IT  SHOULD BE 5 MILLION. BY DON'T  THINK IT COULD NEEDS TO BE 28.  I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THAT YOU  KNOW, MAYBE. 10 15 MILLION  RANGE PROBABLY ALLOWS US TO DO  WHOLE LOT MORE THAN WE'RE  DOING RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S  BUT THAT THE PROJECTS WE'RE  WORKING ON DOUBLING AND  TRIPLING THE TIMELINE  SHORTENING THE TIME RIGHT AND  FLATTENING THE COSTS  ♪ WHICH WOULD SERVE OUR  INTERESTS, HUGELY. GET PEOPLE  OUT WITH THE  29 TRILLION 28 BILLION DOLLAR  NUMBER THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BALANCE  HERE THAT'S. THAT'S WHERE  CITIZEN SAY YOU THEY'RE REALLY  REALLY. FINE POINT HERE BEING  WAS ABOUT JUST ASKING FOR A  BLANK CHECK AND WE'RE NOT  REALLY ASKING FOR A BLANK  CHECK BUT YOU KNOW FOR WE  MAKE. MAKE THIS MORE SENSIBLE  AND MORE REASONABLE MORE  COMFORTABLE BETTER CHANCES  PASSING PEOPLE SUPPORTING IT.  SO WHAT DO YOU SAY YOU YOU ARE  FOR THE WAS IT.  >> 15 MILLION, SAY MORE LIKE A  15 ON NON EMERGENCY AND  DISASTER RELATED AND ON  INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE  PROJECTS I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM  WITH THAT KIND OF A LOWER CAP,  I THINK IT'S MORE COMFORTABLE  TO COMPROMISE.  >> AND ONE OF THE OTHER  REALITY IS WE TALK ABOUT THE  REVENUE GENERATION CAPABILITY  OF ANY INDIVIDUAL  >> I CAN'T SEE COMMITTING A  100% THAT'S OF THAT FUND  BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER  ONGOING EXPENSES HAVE COVER  NOW YOU 18 MILLION DOLLARS  BUILT 25 BUDGET.  >> FOR HIS CAPITAL PROJECTS.  >> IF HE ONLY USED TENET.  SERVICE THAT.  >> BORROWINGS HE WOULDN'T BE  ABLE DO WAR NUMBER OF PROJECTS  HE COULD GET GOING LOWERING  THE COST FLATTENING IT OUT AND  AND MOVING THE TIMELINE IT'S  STILL MONEY LEFT OVER THAT'S  THE VALUE LEVERAGE. THAT'S  WHAT'S SO IMPORTANT HERE AND  IT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I ALWAYS  SAID IT'S IT'S A TOOL THAT  ALLOWS US TO BE THAT MUCH MORE  EFFICIENT. AND MUCH MORE  RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR CITIZENS  TAX DOLLARS IT MAKES US BETTER  STUART'S BECAUSE WE HAVE  BETTER TOOLS TO WORK WITH.  >> I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE AT  WE HAVE THINGS HERE THAT I  HAVE DOWN BALLOT LANGUAGE  POLICY AND CHART DO I HAVE  THAT. YOU'RE RIGHT TO SAY AND  THEY CAN BE DIFFERENT. THEY  DON'T HAVE ALL THE SAME. SO  WHAT HE'S SAYING YOU WANT  ABOUT. I'M SAYING THAT I MORE  COMFORTABLE, A MEMBER OF 15,  YOU KNOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH  NUMBERS.  >> AND THE POLICY WOULD BE  >> AND HAD TELL YOU THE SAME  THING IN THE POLICY OF THAT  AND IS AND I THINK WE'RE  SUGGESTING THE 15 MEN MILLION  GOING THE BALLOT LINE WHAT THE  **** YOU DON'T LIKE INSTEAD OF  28.  >> AND YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR  LOWERING THAT IS WHAT.  >> IT'S A MORE REASONABLE  NUMBER DON'T MANY PROJECTS  THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T THINK  WERE GAY AND WHAT WE  REALISTICALLY WOULD NOT TO SAY  SOMETHING ANYTHING YOU COULD  COME UP WITH THAT MY LOWER  THAT NUMBER OUT OF THE WATER  THE SISTER RELATED OR IMMINENT  IN FOR LATER. I I CAN'T THINK  OF ANY I I'VE BEEN TRYING.  >> CITY MANAGER HAS ITS LIGHTS  OH YEAH. I WAS JUST GOING  OKAY, SORRY THANK THANK YOU  VERY MUCH JULIE BILLY  ASSISTANT CITY THE ONLY THING  I DID WANT TO MENTION IS  LOOKING AT SOME AND I JUST  SPOKE WITH MISTER SPEAKE.  >> CONCERNING SOME NOT  EMERGENCY TYPE PROJECTS HAVE  COME BEFORE SOONER RATHER THAN  LATER. FOR EXAMPLE, PUBLIC  WORKS FACILITY. HIS HIS NEXT  SPACE VERY IMPORTANT TO GET  THAT CONSTRUCTED. IT'S GOING  TO BE AROUND 30 MILLION. SO WE  HAVE THE CAP A 28 MILLION IT  WOULD COME UP WITH OTHER  FUNDING SOURCES SO HE COULD  STAY WITHIN THAT PUTTING DOWN  TO 15 MILLION MAKE IT A LITTLE  TOO OR NOT OR JUST TYPE  PROJECTS, THE NEXT ONE IS THE  TRANSFER STATION THAT THAT  WON'T BE TOO THAT THAT'S ABOUT  10 MILLION. OUR CONTROL  STRUCTURES 3 TO 5 MILLION  BRIDGES ON 10 MILLION. I THAT  LOOKING AT LARGER IT YOU KNOW  CITY TYPE BUILDINGS THAT ARE  WITHIN THE DISTRICTS EVEN KNOW  WHY OR WHATEVER THEN WE WOULD  HAVE 15 I MIGHT BE TO SLIGHTLY  PAUL. I JUST WANT TO MENTION  THANK YOU. YEAH, I WAS JUST  TRYING FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU  COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF  15 MILLION 28 MILLION.  >> I HAVE STANDARD ALL  STANDARD ABOUT 2 BILLION  DOLLAR BUDGET WE DON'T HAVE A  2 BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET SO  THEY HAVE 20 OF EVERY CITY IS  DIFFERENT EVERY CITY IS  DIFFERENT AMOUNT SO IF ARE AND  THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DON'T  EVEN HAVE DO NOT DO RIGHT HAVE  A 5 MILLION DOLLAR CAP. BASED  ON THE  >> COULD COULD I MENTION ONE  UNDERSTAND ABOUT SIT YOU'RE  TALKING ABOUT SARASOTA  COUNTY'S CHARTER. WE USED TO  BE BOGGED DOWN TO THE COUNTY  WHO DON'T WORK THERE AS MUCH  AS WE USED TO BUT.  >> THEIR CHARTER RESTRICTION.  >> ONLY RELATES TO THAT  PAYABLE FROM ANY TAXES.  >> WHETHER IT'S SERVED TAX GAS  TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX.  >> THEY'RE LIVING ONLY  POSITIVE THAT THEIR LIMIT DOES  NOT APPLY.  >> TO THEM DOING WATER AND  SEWER UTILITY SYSTEM THAT  BECAUSE THAT'S PAYABLE FROM  RESIDENT IS THAT THE SYSTEM  NOT TAXES. SO THEY CAN DO  ASSESSMENT THAT THEY CAN DO.  ENTERPRISE FUND AT KIND OF  THINGS THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT  CHARTER CASE.  >> JUST A CLARIFICATION ALL  RIGHT THANKS IF I CAN WEIGH IN  YES, THE HAT. SO BASED SOME OF  THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS  THAT WERE MENTIONED. I  30 MILLION DOLLARS WHAT WOULD  WE GO TO THE VOTERS ON IF THE  THE POLICE STATION WHAT WOULD  WE GO TO THE VOTERS ON THAT IT  DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONLY FOR AD  VALOREM TAXES. THESE ARE A  HUGE PROJECTS AND THE VOTERS  SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THOSE  PROJECTS WHY WOULD WE GO TO WE  CAN GO TO NOW AND GET THESE  PROJECTS DONE RIGHT NOW. WE  WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO THAT. I  THINK BASED ON THE INFORMATION  THAT I JUST HEARD WE COULD  EVEN GO TO LIKE A 10 OR 12. WE  WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO DO THE  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  LEVERAGE ROAD DRAINAGE  DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT  WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO FIX  A BRIDGE.  >> GRANTED IT DIDN'T HAVE TO  IMMINENTLY YOU KNOW HIM IN A  YEAR. WE CAN DO THE TRANSFER  STATION. THINK MEMBERS OF  MAKES US INDIVIDUALLY  COMFORTABLE. I THINK IT'S  BETWEEN 1012. YOU SAID 15, YOU  SAID 28, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR  WHAT THE OTHER 2 COMMISSIONERS  PULL OUT IN THERE JUST SHAME  AND.  >> THE ONLY OFFER WHAT TO SAY.  THE BIGGER PROJECTS TRUTHFULLY  IF YOU LOOK. THE GOVERNMENTAL  AND TO IN AND AROUND THE REST  OF THE STATE. AND YOU LOOK AT  THE WAY MANY OF THESE LARGER  PROJECTS ARE FUNDED. IF YOU'RE  CONCERNED ABOUT UTILIZING YOUR  DOLLARS POSSIBLE. MANY OF  THOSE BIG PROJECTS LIKE A  POLICE HEADQUARTERS LIKE  PERHAPS A PUBLIC WORKS  BUILDING MAY WELL BE BEST  STARTED FOR WHAT WE SING  MECHANISM RATHER THAN ON  SHOWING ONLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE  MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY IN YOU  STRUCTURE, YOU CAN STILL  CONTROL YOUR CONSTRUCTION  PROCESS AND YOU CAN HAMMER  THEIS IN A MUCH MORE  ADVANTAGEOUS WAY THAT DEBT  PAYMENTS WITHOUT HAVING TO  COME UP WITH A BIG CHUNK OF  MONEY UP FRONT AND SO THERE  WERE A LOT OF CREATIVITY THAT  GO INTO SOME OF THESE BIGGER  PROJECTS STILL REQUIRING ALL  THE PUBLIC AIRING AND  TRANSPARENT SITTING CLOSE  SOMEBODY AND THERE'S OTHER  WAYS THAT FRIED THOSE BIG  FISH. SO YEAH, WE JUST NEED TO  FIGURE OUT THAT RIGHT NUMBER.  >> NOW IT AND I WOULD JUST  THROW OUT THERE IF I MAY THAT.  THE MORE WE RESTRICT OUR  ABILITY TO BORROW THE MORE  PRESSURE WE PUT MILLAGE RATE  IS DISTRICT. ASSESSMENTS  ACCENT OR ETC CETERA SO PEOPLE  HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. IT'S  GOING TO GET COVERED SOME  RIGHT AND WE ALL PAY FOR IT  REGARDLESS OF HOW IT HAPPENED.  >> AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE  THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE  PAYING A LITTLE HAVE A SAY ON  THESE BIGGER BUT AGAIN.  >> WE ARE ELECTED AND WE HIRE  PROFESSIONALS. THINGS ARE BEST  SHOT.  >> DON'T SIGHT OF ANY TIME WE  USE FOR ANY THAT IT WAS  ESSENTIAL REALLY CONVERSATION  ABOUT IS DEBT. ANY DEBT AND  YOU JUST PROPERTY REQUIRED  PUBLIC REFERENDUM. I THINK  YEAH, RIGHT THERE. THAT TAKES  ISSUES LIKE SOME OF THESE  OTHER PROJECTS THAT THERE WERE  NO DISTRICT FUNDS FOR NO OTHER  REVENUE SOURCES FROM WHAT WE  SEE IT THAT WAY NO OTHER  ALTERNATIVE REVENUE SOURCES  YOU KNOW WE NEED TO DO THINGS  THAT ARE IMPERATIVE TO THE  CITY AND WE HAVE NOWHERE ELSE  TO GO BUT INTO THE POCKETS OF  OUR TAXPAYERS WE'VE GOT TO GO  OUT IF WE WANT TO BORROW IF WE  WANT TO RAISE MILEAGE RATE  COMMISSIONS ALWAYS HAVE THAT  ABILITY TO RACIAL TRIP. BUT IF  YOU WANT BORROW AND SERVICE  THAT THAT WITH MILLAGE MONEY.  YOU KNOW NOTHING WRONG WITH  THAT NOTHING AT ALL.  >> YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN. WE  HAVE A CITY STAFF MEMBER WOULD  LIKE TO WEIGH LIKE TO HEAR  MISTER RICH YES MEN AND AND  YOUR MAGIC NUMBER FOR  >> YOU WANT GO FIRST OR THAT.  OKAY, AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW  WHEN MISTER MILLER SPOKE JUST  LAST TIME HEAR OKAY GUYS I DID  I DID HEAR WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.  NUMBERS THAT I LOVE THAT I WAS  LOOKING AT YOU KNOW WHEN FIRST  STARTED TALKING ABOUT  28 MILLION DOLLARS AS A  CAPTAIN I UNDERSTAND WE WANTED  TO GO COHESIVELY WITH THE  COUNTY. BUT WITH THE WITH OUR  MEANS THE STUFF I DID LOOK AT  REDUCING AT THE NUMBERS THAT I  CAME UP WITH WERE BETWEEN 1820  AND THE WAY I CAME UP WITH  THAT NUMBER WAS JUST SHAVING  OFF 10 MILLION BRINGING IT  DOWN TO MORE LOGICAL SENSE FOR  OUR CITY COMPARED OUR BALANCED  BUDGET. NOW COMMISSIONER VICE  MAYOR STOKES HAVE BROUGHT UP  OF 15 NUMBER.  >> I DID GO TO THAT I MEAN I  REALLY WOULD WANT TO GO ANY  LOWER THAN THAT.  >> TO BE HONEST. I MEAN THAT'S  15 WERE CHOPPING OFF  13 MILLION OFF OF THE ORIGINAL  AND PUTTING IT OUT THERE. BUT  THE ONE THING THAT THAT WE  REALLY NEED LOOK AT TOO IS  WHEN IT COMES TO THE  CITIZENRY. A LOT OF THAT AND  I'M NOT TRYING TO AGAIN THE  MAIN WAY HERE BUT A LOT OF THE  CITIZENS I SPENT A LOT OF  TIMES UP THERE EARLY VOTING IN  WATCHING PEOPLE COME UP AND  THEY HAD NO CLUE, WHAT THE  CHARTER AMENDMENT WAS AND HOW  DO WE VOTE YES OR NO THEY ARE  ASKING PEOPLE AT AND SOME THEN  THEY WOULD LOOK AT THE SIGNS  OUT THERE THAT WOULD SAY VOTE  NO OR VOTE. YES, WHOEVER,  WHOEVER WAS OUT SO THE  EDUCATION HAS TO GO OUT AND  THAT HAS TO GO TO THE CORE  GROUPS OUT THAT ARE DISCUSSING  BECAUSE NOT EVERY CITIZEN IS  OUT THERE WORRYING ABOUT  WHAT'S COMING UP THEY'RE  WORRIED ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL  ELECTION THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S  ABOUT SO WE NEED TO GET THE  EDUCATION OUT THERE ARE HUGE.  WE'VE GOT 90,000 PEOPLE IN  EVERYBODY'S WORK ABOUT THEIR  DAY-TO-DAY RATHER THAN WHAT'S  COMING UP IN THE CITY AND THEN  THEY GO DOWN THERE AND THEY GO  BY WHAT THEIR FRIENDS OR THEIR  FAMILY HAS SAID DO THIS THAT.  SO THAT'S THAT'S THE BIG KEY  THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT GOING  FORWARD THE EDUCATION PART HAS  GOT TO BE HUGE. SO PEOPLE ARE  SEEING OVER AND OVER AND OVER  AGAIN BE IT IN THE NEWSPAPER  BE IT ON OUR WEBSITE. THE  AGAIN LIKE MISTER. VICE MAYOR  WANTS TO DO THE ONE ON ONES  OUT THERE WITH PEOPLE STUFF  LIKE THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE OR  YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  THAT WHEREVER PERCEIVES GOING  OUT THERE SAYING YEA OR NAY  AND THEN PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING  BELIEVE AND VOTE THAT WAY SO  YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S WHAT  I'M LOOKING AT YOU KNOW, I'M  I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE  BOARD AND SEE WHERE WE WANT TO  BE BUT YOU KNOW I WAS SAFE. I  WOULD I'M COMFORTABLE WITH  GAME.  >> THANK CITY MANAGER.  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR RPA  EYES AND JEREMY WE FELT IS  ONLINE AS WELL LIKE STEVE  MILLER IS IN I MEAN IT'S  SHORT.  >> ALL  >> GOOD MORNING AMERICA NEAR  YES. GREAT THANK YOU JUST WANT  TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS  HERE GREAT SORRY CAN BE THERE  IN PERSON FOR THE MEETING  TODAY. WHEN WE'RE TALKING CAPS  YOU KNOW IS THE REFERENCE TO  CAP THE TOTAL PAR AMOUNTS OF  THE BOMB. THEY CAN BE ISSUED  OR IS THAT THE ANNUAL. OF OUT  THEY COULD BE PLEDGED. SO HE  SERVICE THE GET A BECAUSE IT  SOUNDED LIKE OF SOME OF THE  DISCUSSION REVOLVED AROUND YOU  KNOW THE CAPITAL THAT WAS PUT  IN PAY GO, YOU KNOW THERE'S  PAY GO 10 COULD BE USED FOR.  TO PAY TO SERVICE BONDS. YEAH,  THAT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT AS A  CAPTAIN THAN SAYING A  10 MILLION DOLLARS.  AUTHORIZATION FOR BONDING CAP,  SO I WANT TO JUST GET CLARITY  ON THAT WELL I THINK THROUGH.  SO THE COMMENTS AND WE'LL TALK  ABOUT THIS FURTHER, BUT BUT  WANT TO JUMP IN AND SEE IF I  CAN GET CLARITY ON THAT  PLEASE.  >> ASK A QUICK QUESTION. YEAH.  THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS  THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES TO MAKE  SURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WE  CAN SAY TO TAKE TO SUPPORT  MILLION DOLLARS BUT HOW MUCH  IS THAT GOING TO COST TO PAY  BACK.  >> AND IF WE PUT A CAP OF  15 MILLION AND I KNOW IT'S OF  WHAT THAT PAYMENT LOOKS LIKE.  BUT IF WE HAD A 15 MILLION  DOLLAR BOND AND YOU HAD TO PAY  THAT BACK I DON'T KNOW OVER 10  YEARS AND I KNOW INTEREST RATE  IS VARIABLE AND FEES ARE  VARIABLE LIKE DOES THE TOTAL  LOOK LIKE FOR THE REPAYMENT.  AGAIN IT'S ALL VARIABLE.  >> SURE YEAH, THAT THAT'S FAIR  I THINK 50 MILLION DOLLAR DEAL  OVER 10 YEARS WOULD PROBABLY  BE JUST OVER 2 MILLION A YEAR  AND THAT SERVICE SO SO THE  PAYMENTS WILL BE 2 MILLION AND  THAT'S AN AREA AND JUST TO  GIVE YOU ANOTHER BOOK AT A  100 MILLION DOLLARS. DEAL OVER  20 YEARS WOULD BE ABOUT. YOU  KNOW 8.2 MILLION PER YEAR. SO  SO THERE'S NO IT'S DEFINITELY  2 DIFFERENT THE. FOCUS POINTS  IN AND I THINK AT LEAST MY  UNDERSTANDING IS THE THE  LIMITS THAT I'VE ALTHOUGH  THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE AND THE  STATE REFERRED TO THE PARMA  YOU SHOULD NOT THE ANNUAL DEBT  SERVICE PAYMENTS SO THAT AND  MAYBE STEVE CAN WIN ON THAT  OTHER STATES BUT I JUST WANT  MAKE SURE TALK ABOUT THE SAME  THING.  >> WHICH AGAIN GOES TO YOU  COULDN'T EVEN BORROWED TO THE  THE ABILITY TO PAY BACK AS SHE  ASKED RIGHT YEAH, I MEAN LOOK  AT WHAT WE DID WITH SURTAX AND  PRICE WE HAVE TO CARE FOR THE  FACT BUT THERE IS INTEREST  THAT GOES ON TOP OF THE  PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF BORROWING  SO YOU HAVE TO DISCOUNT THE  PRINCIPAL PORTION SHOULD GO TO  BORROW TO MAKE SURE YOU CAN  COVER THE COST THAT'S TIME.  WHICH WHICH WEEKS TO WHITE  CAPS ARE. SILLY BUT. IN THIS  CASE NECESSARY TO HELP PEOPLE  UNDERSTAND PROVIDE COMFORT.  >> IT'S A GUARDRAIL THAT I  THINK THE CITIZENS NOT THAT  INSURANCE OF PETS.  >> ONLY REASON WHY MAYOR HOW  ARE YOU FALLING ON THE  >> WELL BECOMING A LITTLE MORE  COMFORTABLE WITH BRING IT DOWN  I JUST I'M ALWAYS ONE THAT  SAYS YOU HAVE TO GET SOMETHING  DONE GET IT DONE JUST PAY BUT  IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN STILL  GET DONE WHAT WE NEED TO GET  DONE WITH A LOWER AMOUNT.  CONCERNS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THE  WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY  HAVE TO PROVE THIS LOOK AT  THIS RIGHT BACK WHERE WE  STARTED FROM IF THIS DOESN'T.  >> DOESN'T GO THROUGH SO  THERE'S JUSTICE TO YEAR AFTER  YEAR TO A RIGHT AND I THINK  THAT THIS WOULD.  >> HAVING A LOWER AMOUNT WOULD  SERVE TO CREATE SOME HOPEFULLY  TRUST FROM FROM PEOPLE THAT  THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO  SAY AND WHEN THEY START SEEING  PROJECTS THAT ARE HAPPENING  THAT WHEN YOU GOT TO FIX THOSE  WEIR'S OUT THERE WILL KNOW  WHEN THEY START SAYING THAT  HAPPENING THIS IS WHY WE CAN  DO THIS. SO.  >> YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TO FIND  THAT MIDDLE GROUND YOU KNOW WE  STARTED 28, WE WENT DOWN TO 18  OR 20 NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 15 I'D  BE OK WITH ITS 15.  >> I WOULD GO 15 TO 18.  >> WE GET PUT PUT A NUMBER SO  THAT THEY COULD PUT IT THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE.  >> ALL RIGHT SO HOW ABOUT 18.  >> AS A COMPROMISE.  >> AND SEE I WAS AT 1012. YOU  WERE AT 28 15 15 AND PETE WAS  AT 18 SO BETWEEN 2810. WHAT'S  THAT MIDDLE. SOME  CLARIFICATION FROM. WE'RE  TALKING YOU'RE TALKING.  DROPPED PROPOSE IS PRINCIPAL  AMOUNT DIDN'T HAPPEN. YOU  TALKING REMAINING AS THE  PRINCIPAL AMOUNT YOU WANT TO  INCLUDE. HE SAYS PRINCIPLE OF  NOT JUST THE PRINCIPLE. I.  >> POST THAT SERVICE PERRY'S.  SO IT COULD CREST.  >> AND AGAIN THIS IS JEREMY  YOU'RE PAY PER YEAR OR MY  UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE  PARK CAP WAS BASED ON THE  ENTIRE ISSUE IN IT'S NOT JUST  WHAT WAS GOING TO PAYTON AND  SINGLE YEAR.  >> SORRY IT'S PER PROJECT.  >> SO IT WOULD BE LIMITING  YOURSELF TO A PROJECT SIZE  WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS NOT  THE ANNUAL PAYMENT  >> CORRECT BRANDED THE  PRINCIPAL RIGHT. PRINCIPAL  ONLY BY RAJ I I THAT'S WHAT  WE'RE TRYING YET.  >> SO WHAT IS OUR PER PROJECT  SAYING OR MORE FOR A TEEN IS  THAT WHERE THE NUMBERS AT.  COMMISSIONER EMERGENCE 18 TO  20. I'M STILL AT 1515 SO IT 10  AND 12.  >> AGO 15 TO 18, LET'S JUST  GET IT DONE. YES, THAT MEANS  THAT EVEN 15. WE'RE IN SUCH A  BETTER POSITION AND WE ARE  BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING.  >> THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT  THERE'S THE OTHER ASPECT MOST  OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE  MULTIPLE NEEDS.  >> MULTIPLE PROJECTS WHICH  MEANS.  >> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WANT  TO TAP OUT ON ONE PROJECT BY  15. THEY'RE GOING TO 2 SMALLER  PROJECTS. YOU KNOW WHY AREAS  NOT THIS CAP IS NOT GOING BACK  SHUN WHETHER IT'S 15 THAT WELL  AND SHIFTING SUMMIT NUMBER  BETWEEN YOU KNOW AND AND BARBS  I SHOULD THAT'S ALL AND IT'S  STILL BASED ON OUR ABILITY  THAT'S THAT'S REALLY THE.  >> THEY HAVE THE COPS SHOULD  BE THE COMFORT ZONE FOR PEOPLE  TO KNOW MEAN THERE'S SO MANY  GUARDRAILS YEAH AND THAT'S BUT  AGAIN YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN THOSE  AND A 79 STATEMENT I THINK SO  ABOUT EMOTION. YEAH MAKE A  MOTION I THINK THAT AND I MAKE  A MOTION THAT WE INSTRUCT  STAFF.  >> TO INSERT.  >> LANGUAGE. TO INSERT A CAP.  15 MILLION DOLLARS. YOU GUYS  CAN WORK OUT THE BUT  15 MILLION DOLLARS PRINCIPAL  PER PROJECT. AND TO THE  CURRENT NON CAP. LANGUAGE. I  MIGHT HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC  HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC. APP WOULD  APPLY TO THE NON. EMERGENCY.  CATASTROPHIC SYSTEM FAILURE  CATEGORY WOULD BE TO THAT  SECOND. CATEGORY. YOU GUYS  WORK THE WORDS, I'M NOT GOING  TO TRY TO DO IT HERE. ALL  RIGHT SO YOU'RE MOTION MAKE  SENSE OUT OF THAT CITY CLERK,  I KNOW I GARBLED IT PRETTY  GOOD.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO IT STAFF SO TOO IN CERTAIN  LANGUAGE FOR A CAP OF  15 MILLION OF PRINCIPLE. HER  PROJECT FOR NON-EMERGENCY  CATASTROPHIC CATEGORY BUT FOR  NON-EMERGENCY PROJECTS. APPLE  KEEPS GOING TO SO I STAFF CAN  FIGURE OUT THE ACESS TO REALLY  IT WORK AND INFRASTRUCTURE  FAILURE. PROJECTS. YOU WANT  ALL THAT  >> NO NO NO NO IT'S JUST TO  GET ATTENTION AND TO THE  MOTION THAT CLARITY INTO THE  MOTIONS STAFF WILL HAVE TO  FIGURE OUT. WE'RE HAVE TO  HAPPEN.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE A  MOTION MADE COMMISSIONER  LANGDON AND. CITY CLERK. I  THINK YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT. IN  THE BACK.  >> TO DIRECT STAFF TO IN  CERTAIN LANGUAGE FOR A CAP OF  15 MILLION DOLLARS OF  PRINCIPAL PER NON-EMERGENCY  PROJECT. I'LL SECOND FOR AND  SO WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON AND  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TAKE  ISSUE  >> I LIKE THAT THIS IS GOING  TO BE PUT IT IS THIS GOING TO  BE PUT TO THE VOTE A  REFERENDUM  >> YES, SO IT WOULD IN YARD OR  AND THEN THE VOTER.  >> OKAY, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU  WHEN YOU SAID IN CERTAIN  LANGUAGE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE  THIS IS CHARTER LANGUAGE.  SORRY, THIS IS REFERENDUM  LANGUAGE. BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE  CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION  IT'S GOING TO BE IN BOTH I  JUST WANT TO MAKE I I SUPPORT  THIS BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A  SECOND MOTION TO JUST CLARITY.  OKAY SO.  >> WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ANY  OTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE DID YOU HAVE ANY.  >> AND TO ADD TO THAT.  >> NO GOOD.  >> I THINK WE'RE GOING ABOUT  NOW VICE MAYOR. I MEAN, MAYOR  ZS LANGDON SAY YES $6. YES,  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. YES ALL  RIGHT SO THAT PASSES 5, 0 AND  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YET  ANOTHER WANT YEAH WE HAD  DISCUSSED.  >> LANGUAGE THAT IT'S NOT  PAYABLE FROM FUNDS OTHER THAN  PROPERTY TAX TO THE CHARTER  LANGUAGE. I THINK MAYBE WE  NEED TO GIVE THAT CLEAR  DIRECTION TO INCLUDE THAT ALSO  THAT ITS SISTER MILLER'S  LANGUAGE, YEAH, MISTER  MILLER'S LANGUAGE. REGARDING.  THAT AD TAXES ARE NOT USED. 5  THAT MOTION FOR YOU  >> THERE WAS NO MOTION THERE  WAS NO CONSENSUS IT WAS JUST  DISCUSSIONS SO.  >> LET'S REASON NEED TO BE  THERE LET'S LET'S JUST LET'S  JUST KEEP IT CLEAN MAKE A  MOTION MISTER MILLER'S  LANGUAGE REGARDING PAYABLE  FROM FUNDS OTHER THAN PROPERTY  TAXES TO THE CHARTER AND  REFERENDUM LANGUAGE SECOND.  >> HAVE A MOTION MADE BY  MCDOWELL SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON CITY  CLERK YOU WANT TO READ BACK  FOR 30.  >> AND CERTAIN MISTER MILLER'S  LANGUAGE. PAYABLE FROM FUNDS  OTHER THAN PROPERTY TAX. AND  OF COURSE THEY'RE GOING TO  HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THAT 75  WORDS  >> OKAY THIS IS.  >> WITH REFERENCE LANGUAGE.  QUESTION. SPREADING TOWN I  HAVE ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. I  MEAN, YES. THERE'S YES LANGDON  ZS TICKED DOWN YES.  COMMISSIONER EMRICH. YES OKAY  PASSES 5 TO 0.  >> MAKING PROGRESS. BUT ALSO  WE TALK ABOUT. WE TAKE 10  MINUTE HELFRICH SHORT. THIS.  >> ALRIGHT, 1140 WILL BE BACK  AT  >> WELL FOR US TO GET TO THE  THAT  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOGO ON THE  EMERGENCY WATER THEY ARE GOING  SEE THAT STORM SURGE AND  FLOODING NEXT OR SO STORM  SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN  ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER  ♪ A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE  GOAL PUSHING WATER UP. ONTO  NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF  FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, AGO AND THEN THE  WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO DO. I  COULD CAUSE WATER TO BACK  FLOODING THAT ALONG WITH A LOT  OF RAIN THAT COMES FROM ALSO  CAUSED INCREASE OF WATER  FLOODING INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING AS WELL.  PUBLIC WORKS WITH A LOT OF  WORK BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE  SURE THAT OUR WATER LEVELS  POSSIBLE FOR AND THE WAR  AGAINST STORM SURGE FLOODING  IN OUR WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU  WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON  THAT WE HAVE A GREAT THAT A  LOT FOLKS  ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL ON THE AQUATICS  MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS  RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE  HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT  AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO  EVERYONE ABOUT OUR FLOW FOR  LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT  NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL  DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE  OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN UNDER  UNDER THE AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE  AN AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO 4 AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES IN A TROUBLED  SITUATION, THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO WANT TO  GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH  ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED  THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE  AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY  PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL  THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA WHERE  THIS PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE  WE PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH  WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE  SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS  PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE CAN  CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH  THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S  A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN  THEY GRADUATE AS ONE OF THE  FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS  THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND  THEY HAVE TO TURN ROLL OVER ON  THE BACK AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE  TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND THAT  POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST AN  AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM THAT  LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR LEARN TO  SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT WAY WE  CAN MAKE  ♪ SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS  SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE  WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH REAL  VENDITTI MARIO TELL PEOPLE  HERE HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING JOB,  I'VE BEEN HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS  EXCELLENT  ♪ EXCELLENT SO MARIO TELL PEOPLE  WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO.  THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR  SOLID WASTE THE CITY AND ON MY  GO OUT AND AGREE THE NEW  RESIDENTS TONIGHT, EDUCATE  THEM ON RECYCLE EXCELLENT  SOUNDS INTERESTING VERY AREA  WHEN HE FOUND INSIDE A  RECYCLING BIN SHOULDN'T BE  THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL  PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE  ♪ MOST COMMON THING I FIND FRANK  PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM AND  ♪ MISSION IS STOP LEAK THAT'S  RIGHT INSIDE THE BLUE  CONTAINERS. AND THEY SHOULD BE  YOU TAKEN BACK TO THE GROCERY  STORE OR TOSS IN THE TRASH  EVERY YOU SEE A LOT OF  RECYCLING INSIDE THE  CONTAINERS OF I COME ACROSS A  LOT OF OK DON'T WANT TO DO  THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET PUT  TOGETHER SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  YOUR DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S  INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR  YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES  AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF  YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL  THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU  AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU  DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING  THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO  REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN  YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD  THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS  YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD  OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL YOUR PRESCRIPTIONS  AHEAD OF TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE  NOT DO YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT  TO DO THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAGS YOU SHOULD HAVE  NON-PERISHABLE FOOD FLASHLIGHT  BATTERIES, A RADIO THAT IS  BATTERY POWERED AND EXTRA  BATTERIES SHOULD ALL POWER GO  OUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO  BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED  RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97  POINT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS SALE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN PLUG DOWNS AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS. SO FLOOD  ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL  FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO  ♪ DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD  INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A  MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE  EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON  STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES  FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE  CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA. AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  ♪ >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH. MY YOUR  HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER  ♪ STORM EVENT WATER SHOULD BE IN  THAT SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS  AFTER THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS  THE WATER BUILT TO GET THE  STUFF CAME OUT FOR ROOM AND ON  THE ROAD OUT OF THE WATER SO  THAT WHEN REACHES THE HABITAT  IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS  ♪ AND ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT THEIR ROADS. ROADWAYS OR  ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO  WHEN YOU SEE WATER IN IT'S  ONLY YOU KNOW UP TO 72 HOURS  SINCE THE  ♪ LAST RAIN THAT IS NOT LETTING  THAT IS DOING ITS JOB.  >> MINE IN THE VAN PULL IT  FROM PRODUCTS, MANAGER WITH  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND  TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED FROM  A VALUATION SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU ATION  IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S  CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS.  SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR  CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND  WILL GO TO A SERIES OF  DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO  INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW  US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU  SHOW US BACK ALL SHOWS  ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT  STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE  DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.  YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE IT  BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR THEM  AT THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS  THAT THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW  AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN  YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT  APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE  SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE  TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T  HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE WE'RE  NOT LEARNING THE APPROPRIATE  SKILLS THAT THEY NEEDED THAT  POINT IN TIME RIGHT NOW WHEN  WE'RE IN FULL SUMMER WE HAVE  SOME PEOPLE COME BETWEEN 8.10  DEDUCE FROM EVALUATION JUST AS  YOU CAN HEAR THE WATER  SPLASHING IN THE BACKGROUND  SLIDE. EVERYTHING LIKE THAT,  BUT ANY DAY OF THE THAT OPEN  YOU CAN COME IN AT ANY POINT  IN TIME ENOUGH FOR SOME  EVALUATIONS WE ALWAYS HAVE A  CERTIFIED SO MUCH DOCTOR ON  SITE THAT HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE  A SWIM ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LASALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR  EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN  SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN  THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO  ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN  YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS  SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT  ♪ >> 1115 BACK TO OUR MEETING  ALL RIGHT SO.  >> JUST NEED TO BRING TO THE  BOARD OF THAT THE BOND COUNCIL  WAS GOING TO COME BACK FOR OUR  FIRST READING. DO STILL WANT  THEM TO COME BACK. CITY  ATTORNEY DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT.  THAT'S WHEN HE WAS.  >> WE HAVE YET YOU PASSED A  MOTION TO DIRECT THIS TO BRING  HIM AT FIRST READING AND THAT  WAS BEFORE WE HAD THIS MEETING  SCHEDULED RIGHT RUNNING HERE  TODAY. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW  WOULD YOU LIKE HIM TO COME  BACK FOR FIRST READING AND IF  NOT WILL YOU ADOPT A MOTION TO  RELEASE US FROM THAT DIRECTION  RIGHT. WHAT WE WANTED TO. I WE  KNOW THAT POINT OF. COMING  BACK HE WAS OR IS BACK TODAY  SO AND WE. PASSED MOTIONS SO  THANK COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> IS HE IS A IS HE STAYING  WITH US FOR THE DURATION OF  THIS MEETING OR IS HE GOING TO  HAVE TO LEAVE IT LIKE NOON OR  SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  >> WILL HAVE TO LEAVE SOME  TIME BY 1215 1230 AT THE  LATEST.  >> CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT  THAT TO SEE HOW FAR WE GET AND  THE REST BECAUSE HE'S ONLY GOT  LIKE 20 MINUTES AND MAYBE  THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE  NEED KIND OF FOCUS ON WHAT WE  HAPPENED HERE RIGHT AND MAYBE  WE CAN GET THAT DONE AND THEN  IN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.  >> OKAY, I GUESS THE QUESTION  IS THERE A VALUE FOR HIM  COMING BACK NOT THE FIRST  SCREENING THAT HE'S HERE HELP  OUR WE GET INTO THAT'S WHAT  WHEN IS THE FIRST READING.  >> WE'RE HOPING AND SO A LOT  DON'T HAVE EYES.  >> FIRST READING IS JULY  SECOND READING IS JULY 23RD  AND THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY IN  THE SCHEDULE RIGHT BASED WHAT  WE HAVE TO REPORT BALLOT  LANGUAGE. THE SUPERVISOR OF  ELECTIONS. DID YOU GET THAT  FIRST READING IS JULY 9. AGAIN  THOSE MAYBE COULD POTENTIALLY  DO REMOTELY BUT I MIGHT BE  ABLE TO GET. BUT  >> A CAT. WELL JUST TO SEE NOW  IF WE HAVE ANY FURTHER  QUESTIONS COUNSEL THAT  >> DO YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON  THAT DEBT POLICY SINCE THAT  PROBABLY IS HIS AREA OF  EXPERTISE.  >> WELL WAS JUST THINKING YOU  THAT'S ALL COUNTS.  >> I WRITE CITY  >> WE GO PAST, SO LAST YEAR.  >> NOT SO MUCH FINANCIAL  ASPECT TO THIS.  >> THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT I  THINK OFF THE WE HAVE NOT  REVIEWED OR RECEIVED POLICY  YOU KNOW AND LEGAL, SO I DON'T  KNOW YOU KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE A  NEW ADDED VALUE, BUT I THINK  THAT WOULD MOSTLY FALL UNDER  YOUR I GOT THINKING ABOUT  THINGS IN THE MANAGEMENT  POLICY LIKE CERTAIN TAKES  RATIOS AND OTHER THINGS THOSE  ARE VERY FINANCIAL.  >> RELATED MORE FINANCIALLY  RELATED AND THEY ARE LEGALLY  RELATED. CULTURE REALLY IS  GOING TO WEIGH IN IF AT THE  POINT IN TIME WHERE THAT IS  GOING TO  >> PLAN GET UP TO BE INCURRED  WE NEED ACTUAL LEGAL GUIDANCE  ON STAFF POST IT.  >> COMMISSIONER EXACTLY RIGHT  WE DON'T USUALLY GET INTO  DRAFTING DEBT MANAGEMENT ALL  SEASON IS THE FINANCIAL FOLKS  IS IF THERE WERE LEGAL ISSUES  RELATED TO IT.  >> CERTAINLY HIM OR HER STAFF  CAN REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT THAT  THOSE KIND OF ISSUES.  >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT 2  DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS I I DO  HAVE ONE INTEREST. MIGHT. THE  2 HAVE ONE QUESTION COUNCIL  TAX IMPORTANT. IS CAN I SAY  IT'S A SCENARIO IT WILL LET'S  SAY WERE GOING OF REVENUE BOB  DORF RING SAY UTILITIES OR  PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO. AND  THEY'RE GOING TO SECURE  WITH THEIR DISTRICT REVENUES.  IS IS THAT TYPICALLY SOMETHING  THAT. IT'S LITTLE FAVORABLY ON  OR HOW HOW RATING AGENCIES  LOOK AT THAT TYPE OF BORROWING  I MEAN GENERAL OBLIGATION YOU  KNOW IT'S YOU YOU KNOW YOU'RE  REALLY PLEDGING.  >> YOU KNOW CREDIT AND INK AND  FACE GOOD FAITH AND CREDIT OF  THE WITH A REVENUE BOND TO THE  STATE. SECURED BY REVENUES OF  THAT OF THE DISTRICTS SAY WHY  DO THEY LOOK FAVORABLY ON THAT  I MEAN YOU'LL PROBABLY PAY A  HIGHER RATE SAY BOUGHT BUT  THAT THEY STILL REALLY ON THAT  KIND OF STUFF.  >> I'LL GIVE YOU A QUICK  COMEBACK, BUT THIS REALLY IS  JEREMY SIR JEREMY'S AREAS WELL  BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE  TYPICALLY THE HIGHEST CREDIT  RATING OUT BECAUSE YOU ARE  PLEDGING THE FULL FAITH CREDIT  INTACT TO TOWER CITY. NOW  WHETHER OR NOT YOUR WATER, YOU  KNOW TO WATER SEWER UTILITY  SYSTEM IS A VERY WELL RUN  PROFITABLE SYSTEM WITHOUT A  LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT  NEEDS YEAH, A LOT OF TIMES  THOSE ARE LOOKED AT AS A VERY  IT'S A PRETTY CREDIT. AND  SALE, YOU KNOW ALL THE  DIFFERENT REVENUE STREAMS, YOU  PLEDGE TO DEBT MAY HAVE TO FOR  CREDIT. QUALITY CONCERNS  WHETHER THE SURTAX IS A SOLID  REVENUE STREAM. THE STATE  SALES TAX DISTRIBUTION THAT WE  SAY IS A VERY GOOD REVENUE  STREAM, TYPICALLY. AND THEN  ITEMS LIKE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS  WHICH ARE BASED ON LAND  SOMETIMES OR RELATED  INFECTIONS. THOSE IMPACT ARE  TYPICALLY NOT CONSIDERED GOOD  CREDIT SCORES. BUT AGAIN I  JEREMY DEALS WITH THE RATING  AGENCIES AND ISSUES TIME.  >> THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT  ANYTHING ELSE  >> OUR BOND COUNCIL BEFORE  TAKE OFF 1215 I THINK YOU SAID  IS ANYBODY ELSE LOVES THAT  YOU'RE ALL SET MAKE A MOTION  MAKE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE  BOND COUNSEL'S APPEARANCE FOR  FIRST READING OF THE CHARTER  REFERENDUM.  >> OF COURSE SOMETHING CHANGES  I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO  ACCOMMODATE THE MEETING.  >> ALL RIGHT WE DO HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TO RELEASE ARE BOUND  COUNCIL FROM HAVING TO APPEAR  AT OUR FIRST READING WHICH IS  SCHEDULED FOR JULY 9 TO HAVE A  SECOND FOR THAT. YES A SECOND  OK SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE  THAT'S POINTS. VOTE. VICE  MAYOR MUCH YES LANGDON SAY  YES. DO YES. MERGE. YES. CAT.  >> FOR COMING TODAY, YES, YOUR  TO THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK  YOU ALL, YES, HE SAID 15  NOBODY HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS  FROM  >> HEART WITH PUBLIC  CONVERSATIONS, I KNOW OKAY ALL  RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT SO  WE HAVE MUCH.  >> WHERE ELSE ARE WE WITH WHAT  ELSE CAN WE NEED CITY MANAGER.  >> WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE  CHARGE SURE BUT FAR AS THAT  GOES WE'RE DONE WITH THAT PART  OF IT. I WAS SO AT. ALL RIGHT  ARE MY AGE MAKE SURE.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE MOVING TOO.  >> YEAH LANGUAGE THAT WHAT  DOING. IS THERE A PRESENTATION  FOR THIS FOR NOW ARE HOPEFULLY  SO ARE DOING WHICH WAS THE  SECOND PIECE THIS CRIME.  >> MAKE SURE THAT IT IS  ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT JUST WE'RE  HOW IT CURRENTLY READS ALL  OKAY. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, THERE THERE'S A  COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE.  >> THAT  >> MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT I  THINK IS IMPERATIVE TO HAVE  INCLUDED IN THE CHARTER AND  YOU KNOW I COMPLETELY  UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT MY  DECISION I AM NOT THE ONE I'M  JUST BRINGING UP THINGS THAT  LIKE TO TO SEE IF IT'S THE  MAJORITY OF THE BOARD'S WELL.  YOU KNOW WHEN I REVIEWED KNOW  THE CITY OF VENICE THEY HAVE A  THING IN THAT IT DEBT SERVICE  THE CITY OF VENICE IN THEIR  CHARTER. IT'S IN THEIR CHARTER  SAYS IN EVALUATING DEBT  CAPACITY GENERAL PURPOSE  ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS  SHOULD NOT SHIP. SHOULD  GENERALLY NOT EXCEED 10% OF  THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND  IN NO CASE SHOULD THEY EXCEED  15, I'D LIKE KIND OF LANGUAGE  IN THE CHARTER WITH SOME. SOME  LIMITATIONS. AS TO WHAT THE  DEBT POLICY IS ULTIMATELY  GOING TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE  NOT GOING TO HAVE 9 PAGES OF  POLICY IN OUR CHARTER. BUT WE  CAN KIND BRING IN SOME  HIGHLIGHTS.  >> A DEBT POLICY THAT WE HAVE  BEFORE HAS A SECTION 5. THAT  LETTER D THE DEBT SERVICE  PAYMENTS AS A PERCENTAGE OF  THE GENERAL FUND OPERATING  REVENUES SHALL NOT EXCEED OF.  AND I LIKE 10% GENERAL FRONT.  BUT IF IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE  DISTRICT FUNDS MAYBE IT SHOULD  BE DISTRICT FUNDS TO. THAT WAY  THEN IT KIND OF IS PUTTING A  THRESHOLD OF HOW MUCH DEBT  SERVICE THAT REMAIN TAKE  CANNOT BE MORE THAN WHATEVER  THAT PERCENTAGE IS IF WE  DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE  THAT IT'S BEEN IT'S HAVE A  CAP.  >> YOU HAVE THE DOCUMENT  WARNING FROM THE VIEW I DON'T  THINK THEY  >> I  >> NOT SURE IF IT'S IF THEY  HAVE THE CAP, THANKS STAFF TO  DO KNOW THEY THEY DO DO THEY  DO NOT. YEAH. AND MAYBE THAT  COULD BE WHY THEY HAVE A RIGHT  FOR INTIMATING  >> HERE'S OH I'M SORRY I  DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.  >> I WAS JUST WANTING TO SEE  ABOUT PUTTING SOME KIND OF A  DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT  PERCENTAGE. FOR THE REVENUES  IN THE CHARTER.  >> SUGGESTION WORK. YOU KNOW.  CONSIDERATION HOPEFULLY WOULD  BE. ANYTHING WE PUT YOU KNOW,  WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS IN THE  CHARTER AND THE AND THE BALLOT  OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE CITIZENS  VOTE ON IT. PUTTING SOMETHING  LIKE THAT CHARTER. CREATES A  SITUATION. REALLY IN  FLEXIBILITY. IT IN THE  ORDINANCE US ONE THING IN THAT  THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY ALLOWS  COMMISSIONS. THE ABILITY TO TO  REACT. IF YOU PUT IT IN THE  CHARTER, I MEAN IT CAN'T GET  CHANGE VERY AND AND YOU MAY  MAKE AN ARGUMENT YOU WOULDN'T  WANT IT TO CHANGE. BUT YOU MAY  WANT TO CHANGE FORMULAS YOU  MAY WANT TO FURTHER RESTRICT  THEM. YOU MAY WANT TO THE  COMPUTER WHILE THE REASONS WHY  YOU MAY WANT TO GO EITHER WAY  IF YOU PUT HIM IN THE CHARTER.  YOU'RE REALLY TRAP, YOURSELF  BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE  A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO FIX IT.  IF THESE THINGS HISTORICALLY  THAT'S LEFT IN. MANAGEMENT  POLICIES BEST PLACED TO LEAVE  IT, BUT THE WORST MAY BE IN  ORDINANCE WHICH STILL GIVES  COMMISSION'S FLEXIBILITY TO DO  SOMETHING WITH IT. BUT IF YOU  PUT IT IN THE CHARTER ME IN  YOU'RE REALLY HAMSTRING AND  NOW. FUTURE COMMISSIONS TO  REACT EITHER WAY EITHER WAY.  >> SO THANK AND  >> SURE BUT YEAR. YOU KNOW YOU  KNOW, I MEAN YOU GOT  SOMEWHERE. YOU KNOW.  >> WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE  PROPOSED CHARTER IT SEEMED  LIKE VERY MUCH LEGAL YEAS AS  FAR AS THE GENERAL. I'M SORRY.  DEBT. GENERAL WANTS GENERAL  REVENUE BONDS. I'M USING  TAXPAYERS. VALOREM TAXES  >> IT SAID THAT BY STATE ALL  THAT AND JUST WE JUST KEEP IT  SIMPLE LOVE THE KISS MATT KEEP  IT SIMPLE SILLY.  >> AND JUST SAY AND MEAN  GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT ISSUED  SHALL BE APPROVED BY VOTERS,  YES, WE KNOW THAT IT HAS TO BE  DONE THAT WAY BY STATE BUT  WHAT IF STATE CHANGES. YOU  NEVER KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO  MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANGUAGE  IS VERY CLEAR AND CONCISE AND  NOT SO DON'T BE OFFENDED CITY  ATTORNEY LEE BILLY'S.  >> STILL GOT A FOLLOW WHAT THE  LAW SAYS I UNDERSTAND BUT IF  IT CHANGES.  >> AND IT REALLY HIT THE NAIL  THAT IT'S LEGAL LEADS THAT  ASPECT OF IT, I MEAN WE HAVE  NO CONTROL OVER.  >> ARE WE GOING LAUNCH A  DISTRICT STATES AS IT AND  EVERYBODY HERE'S TO IT ASKED  TO ADHERE TO HOW THEY WERE IT  IS YOU KNOW.  >> BUT CURRENTLY THE CHARTER  SAYS AND I'M GOING TO REMOVE  THE REVENUE GENERAL OBLIGATION  BONDS SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE  VOTERS AND WE COULD JUST PUT  IT IN THEIR GENERAL OBLIGATION  DEBT SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE  VOTERS THAT SIMPLE. AND OF  COURSE THEN WE ALL KNOW WE  HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW AND  THE CHART.  >> WHY DON'T WE STATE THAT IN  OUR CHARTER WE DO IN  ACCORDANCE OF GENERAL  OBLIGATION CORRECT. YOU COULD  SAY I I GET WHERE HEADED WITH  THAT YOU COULD THAT'S TRUE  LANGUAGE YOU COULD SAY IN  ACCORDANCE WITH STATE  STATUTES.  >> WHICH YOU ALWAYS STAY  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS WILL  SO YOU CAN ADD THAT SENSE  WHICH.  >> HELPS PEOPLE. AND THEN OF  STATE LAW CHANGES WERE COVERED  TO CHANGE EXACTLY. IT SORT IT.  NO IT'S STATE LAW CHANGES.  YOU'RE STILL BOUND BY THE  BELL, BUT CHARTER YET THAT  THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE  ADD THE LANGUAGE IN THAT WE  WILL FOLLOW.  >> STATES STATUE AND KNOW ANY  WHAT CHANGING ISSUE OF GENERAL  OBLIGATION BONDS IT'S VERY SO  FAR BEYOND THE REALM  POSSIBILITY LIKE I WHEN HAVING  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING  I'M NEVER GOING HAPPEN.  >> GENERAL OBLIGATION REQUIRES  PUBLIC REFERENDUMS AND THIS  COUNTRY HAS FOUND A MILLION  WAYS TO CREATE OTHER  MECHANISMS TO PROJECTS WITHOUT  MESSING WITH THIS BECAUSE IT  IS A CYPRESS AND THAT YOU CAN  GET IT AND CHANGE I DON'T  SHARE YOUR LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE  WITH SOME OF THE BUT I'M I'M  NOT GOING ARGUE THE POINT  THAT.  >> AND THE ONLY NOW WERE TO ME  IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE  SURE THAT THE VOTERS  UNDERSTAND THAT THE CHARTER  STILL REQUIRES REGARDLESS OF  WHAT STATE THAT THEY HAVE TO  APPROVE GENERAL OBLIGATION  THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.  IT WILL POSSIBLY HELP AT ALL.  >> GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS  THAT REQUIREMENT THOSE  REFERENDA IS CONTROLLED BY THE  STATE CONSTITUTION HAS A  HIGHER BIRD INTENT TO PASS  CHANGE TOO. FLORIDA LAW  STATUTE SPECIFICALLY REFER  REGULATES. I'M SO MUCH  CONSTITUTION IS GOING TO  CHANGE WHICH IS A MUCH I NOT  THAT HELPS IN ANY WAY THANK IT  DOES.  >> DOES IT INCLUDE GENERAL  OBLIGATION DEBT OR IS IT JUST  POPS WELL. SAME THING. THERE  GENERAL OBLIGATION.  >> THAT BUYS BOND IS  >> WHAT WANTED TO TAKE OUT A  LOAN FOR 10 YEARS AND WERE  USING LIKE SMALL A SMALL  BUSINESS LOAN, THE  CONSTITUTION REQUIRES A PACKED  YOU REFERENDUM. BONDS AND DEBT  TO ME ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS.  >> I UNDERSTAND THAT ARGUMENT  AND ACADEMIC SENSE FROM HERE,  YOU KNOW TALKING AS NORMAL  PEOPLE. BUT THAT'S THE ENTIRE  PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH OUR  CURRENT CHARTER. IT DOESN'T.  IT WAS THAT RESTRICTION ON ALL  KINDS OF DATA CUTS THAT  RESTRICTION ON BONDS AND OUR  BOND COUNCIL HAS BEEN VERY  CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS AND  SAYING THE COURT YOU'RE NOT SO  CONCERNED WITH WHICH TO IT'S  WHETHER YOU CALL IT OR DEBT OR  CREDIT OR WHATEVER EVEN WITH  IT MORE SPECIFIC TERM LIKE OF  THE SPORT'S ARE GOING TO  INTERPRET THAT THAT SO I AGREE  WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE  TALKING IT'S PEOPLE THAT IS IT  TURNS OUT THAT WHATEVER THOSE  TERMS TO USE ITS GOING TO READ  THE ENTIRE BRETT  >> USE A CITY MANAGER SLIDES  ON YEAH YOU MENTIONED.  >> I ALL BUT SINCE I DIDN'T  MAKE IT I JUST GOING TO SAY IT  HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY  BY SAYING LET'S DO SOMETHING  DIFFERENT WITH THE STATE THAT  SO THE THIS PROBLEM REALLY IS  RIGHT. ALL THIS TO  >> I SAY IF IT AIN'T BROKE  DON'T FIX IT. YOU AND THEN  COME BACK UP AFTER SOMEBODY  ELSE WAYS AND SURE.  >> I SEE A VICE MAYOR I WANT  ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGED CAN  TO HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT. THE  CHARTER.  >> NOW I'M NOT REALLY I'M LESS  THAN ERIC GET OUT. IT'S IT IT  SOUNDS LIKE IT STAYS THERE  REGARDLESS. SO I MEAN  WHICHEVER WAY YOU WANT TO DO  THE LINE WHICH I'LL GO ALONG  WITH THE BOARD ON THAT, BUT  YOU KNOW TO OUT LIKE IT'S IT'S  THERE REGARDLESS. SO. THAT'S  THAT'S WHAT I HEAR SO WHETHER  IT'S IN THERE BECAUSE WE WANT  TO PUT IT IN THERE THAT'S ONE  THING WE JUST WANT TO FOLLOW  STATE STATUTE THAT'S. JUST AS  GOOD TO BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL'S  GOVERNMENT TALKING ABOUT THE  CITIZENRY UNDERSTANDING IT  GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE PLAINER  AND THAT LINE SO I I DO  UNDERSTAND WHY. SO I MEAN  WHATEVER THE WELL THE BOARD  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  THAT'S RIGHT DOWN CHAMPS,  SOMETHING YEAH ONLINE 79 WE  TALK ABOUT WITHOUT A  REFERENDUM. THE CITY  COMMISSION MAY AUTHORIZE THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT TO BORROW  MONEY CONTRACT LOANS ISSUE  REVENUE BONDS TO PERMITTED BY  STATE LAW.  >> SEE THAT THIS IS WHERE I  WAS SAYING THE 9. AND IT'S NOT  REALLY IN HERE AND I GET THAT  YOU HAVE FOLLOW STATE LAW.  BUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LIKE  BY SUPER MAJORITY VOTE NOT A  EMERGENCY MEETING AND IT MUST  BE DONE BY ORDINANCE OF 2  THOSE ARE NICE LITTLE  GUARDRAILS TO HAVE IN PLACE.  BECAUSE WITHOUT THEM. THINGS  THINGS CAN BE DONE. WITHOUT  THE INTENT THAT WE'RE TRYING  TO THIS WOULD BE FOR SO SO IT  RIGHT NOW THE CITY COMMISSION  MAY AUTHORIZE THE DEBT. RIGHT  OK, I'M TRYING TO PUT UP  GUARDRAILS ON  ♪ ♪ AYE OR DONANTES TO READINGS. I  SUPER MAJORITY VOTE NOT AT AN  EMERGENCY MEETING PUT UP THOSE  GUARDRAIL SO THAT WE HAVE FULL  PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THAT'S  WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. DOES  IT MAKE SENSE THEM. LIKE FROM  MEMBERS OF STAFF IS TO  >> I BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ARE  THERE REASONS WHY THAT MIGHT  NOT MAKE SENSE OR WOULD VOICE.  >> HURDLES OR ANY UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES. BEST PRACTICES  STANDPOINT. WE TYPICALLY  ADVISE AND OF COURSE THE  COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE HURT  BY THAT I THAT'S THAT'S WHAT  YOU'RE THEREFORE TO MAKE THESE  DECISIONS BUT WE GENERALLY  ADVISE TOO AGAINST INCLUDING  PROCESS. IN YOUR CODE.  >> AND IN YOUR GUT  >> TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY AS  THE TIMES CHANGE AND THAT  ADVICE I THINK IS MORE KEY  WHEN IT COMES TO A CHARTER  BECAUSE THE THE TIMING AND THE  REQUIREMENTS TO AMEND IN THIS  LANGUAGE WILL BE IN PLACE FOR  A LONG TIME WE'VE HAD THE  EXISTING LANGUAGE. I THINK  SINCE 1965 CERTAINLY FOR A  LONG LONG TIME AND THINGS HAVE  HAPPENED THAT WERE NOT  ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW AT THAT  TIME AND I'M LIKE CODE  LANGUAGE AT LEAST WE CAN GO IN  THERE CLEAN THAT UP YOU'VE  PROBABLY NOTICED BECAUSE IT'S  NOT SOME SUBSTANTIVE IN NATURE  BUT WE BROUGHT A LOT OF  ORDINANCES TO OVER THE LAST  FEW YEARS, STRIKING PROCESS  OUT OF THE CITY CODE AND THIS  FINE HAS TO BE PAID BY CHECK  OR MONEY ORDER AND DELIVERED  BY HAND TO THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT THIS ADDRESS AND  YOU LIKE THAT BUILDING DOESN'T  EVEN EXIST ANYMORE AND WE  DON'T NEED THAT LET'S GO  STRIKE IT OUT AND THEN WE CAN  CHANGE OUR PAYMENT PROCESS  ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO I KNOW  THAT'S A WAITED EXAMPLE, IT IS  AN EXAMPLE ALL YOU KNOW OVER  TIME THAT FLEXIBILITY IS IS  NEEDED. SO YOU KNOW JUST LOT  FOR THAT ANOTHER PART OF A  SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IF YOU  WANT THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY  CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THAT IS SUPER  MAJORITY ON THE COMMISSION OF  5 IS 4 OUT OF 5. SOME  SUPERMAJORITY REQUIREMENTS ARE  WRITTEN AS A SUPER MAJORITY OF  THE COMMISSION AS OPPOSED TO A  SUPER MAJORITY OF THE  COMMISSIONERS PRESENT WHICH  MEANS IF YOU HAVE A PERSON  ABSENT AND YOU ONLY HAVE 4 IT  STILL TAKES 4. AND THAT CAN BE  THAT CAN BE A GOOD SAFE GUARD  IF NECESSARY IT CAN ALSO BE  DIFFICULT IF YOU HAVE A  COMMISSION THAT IS DIVIDED.  YOU KNOW POLITICALLY MEANING  MORE LIKE ON PERSONALITY AND  STANCE AND THAT TYPE OF THINGS  THAT'S YOU KNOW ONE PERSON  ESSENTIALLY CAN. CAN CONTROL  BUT THE BOARD DOES A SUPER  MAJORITY VOTES. YOU KNOW WE  USE THEM THAT WE USE SPARINGLY  AS FOR THE EMERGENCY MEETING,  I MEAN JUST THE SAME  CONSIDERATION ON FLEXIBILITY I  MEAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE  COMMISSIONERS POINT WE HAVE AN  EMERGENCY MEETING. THERE IS  LESS NOTICE REQUIRED BEFORE  THE MEETING AND WE CAN ADOPT  ORDINANCES WITH ONLY ONE  READING THAT'S WHAT IS ALLOWED  UNDER OUR CHARTER AND UNDER  STATE LAW. SO YOU KNOW YOU DO.  SOMETHING YOU GET LESS PUBLIC  EXPOSURE BUT THEY HAVE YOU  KNOW A SHORT-TERM NOTICE TIME  AND THEY'RE ONLY HERE OR TWICE  THAT ORDINANCE INVOLVED. BUT  THEN AGAIN YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN  YOU MIGHT WHEN YOU MIGHT NEED  EMERGENCY CIRCUMSTANCE SO THAT  YOU MAY NOT ANTICIPATE WHAT IF  GOD FORBID THERE'S SOME TYPE  OF WATER SYSTEM OR SOMETHING  LIKE SO YOU KNOW JUST JUST  KEEPING THAT IN MIND THAT THAT  YOU ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK FOR  FLEXIBILITY AND YOU KNOW HOW  YOU DECIDE IS THAT IS YOUR  POLICY DECISION I'M NOT  DISCOURAGING YOU FROM YOU KNOW  DECIDED TO GO THE SAFEGUARDS  BUT JUST TO CONSIDER THOSE  FACTORS IN DOING REGARDING  THAT PARTICULAR POINT YOU  KNOW.  >> LIKE PUBLIC NOTICE REGULAR  MEETINGS, YOU KNOW IN THE  EVENT OF A DISASTER AND WE GO  INTO AN EMERGENCY. SITUATION  DOES THAT SUPERSEDE.  >> FROM A LEGAL AUTHORITY  STANDPOINT IT DOTS WHEN WE'RE  IN THE EMERGENCY.  >> YOU KNOW WE DO NOT HAVE TO  FOLLOW OUR LOCAL OUR LOCAL  LAWS NOW.  >> THERE IS.  I SAY THAT WITH SOME SOME ROOM  FOR MOVEMENT BECAUSE AS YOU  KNOW WE HAVE HAD TO  EMERGENCIES OVER THE LAST  COUPLE OF YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN  VERY LENGTHY WE'RE STILL IN A  STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR  HURRICANE IAN. WE'RE IN A  STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR A LONG  PERIOD OF TIME WOULD LEAVE IT  TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC SO  YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALSO THEN  BECOME SOME KIND OF LEGAL  CONSIDERATIONS WHAT COULD THE  BOARD ME INTO SOMETHING AND SO  YOU KNOW THAT'S WHERE THE  MANAGERS AUTHORITY EVEN THOUGH  HE STILL HASN'T MADE BECOME A  LITTLE MORE ATTENUATED OVER  OVER TIME. BUT LET'S JUST TALK  ABOUT LIKE YOU'RE IN THE HEAT  OF EMERGENCY THE MANAGER. YOU  KNOW IS NOT IS NOT BOUND BY  THESE LAWS, HOWEVER. AND WE  MAY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE  ATTORNEY MILLER ON THE PHONE  ANYMORE, BUT. YOU KNOW YOU'RE  PROBABLY NOT GOING TO FIND A  LENDER WHO THE WHO WILL GO  AGAINST OUR CHARTER EVEN IF  YOU HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY  SAYING WELL, BUT THE CITY HAS  AUTHORITY BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE  STATE EMERGENCY THERE PROBABLY  ARE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO YOU  KNOW TO GIVE US YOU KNOW  CONTRARY TO OUR WRITTEN  WRITTEN LAWS EVEN IF. ARGUMENT  THAT WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO  DO SO. MAKES SENSE SO IT'S  SORT OF.  >> MAKES SOUNDS TO ME LIKE  HAVING THIS. IN IN THE WAY IN  WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE SIMPLY  BECAUSE IT'S REALISTIC TO  THINK WE'D BE ABLE DO ANYTHING  ANYWAY. WITH WHAT'S ON OF. I  LIKE THE IDEA YOU KNOW IT UP.  >> THE CITIZENS WILL CERTAINLY  FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE. AND I  DON'T SEE REALLY. NOT  INCLUDING IT'S GOING AND I  JUST CAN'T IMAGINE A LENDER IF  WE HAVE TO WE HAVE AN  EMERGENCY SITUATION. JUST  GOING TO TAKE AWFUL LOT OF  TIME TO BORROW MONEY ANYWAY  FOR ANYTHING. IT'S IT'S MY  GUESTS. WHY WOULDN'T WE BE  ABLE TO HAVE. PUBLIC MEETING.  JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE  THINGS THAT'S GOING TO IT  SMART HOME FRONT. AND WHERE  WOULD THIS IN THE CHARTER.  WE'RE IN  >> YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE  LANGUAGE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.  >> THIS IS THE CHARTER  ORDINANCE PART WHERE.  >> CHARTER'S GOING TO BE  TAKING OUT ONE SENTENCE BUT  THEN ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE  ADDING IN ALL OF THE AREAS  THAT ARE UNDERLINED I'M  REQUESTING TO ADD IN SOME  ADDITIONAL AREAS TO HAVE AN  UNDERLYING TO ADD BACK INTO  THE CHARTER.  >> FOR FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE  >> COMFORT OF THE CITIZENS WHO  ARE GOING TO BE APPROVING THIS  IF LIKE PROCESS, BUT DON'T  WANT CHARGE OF YOU COULD ALSO  PUT A POLICY.  >> AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU  FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE IT. BUT  I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT WOULD  ACHIEVE WHAT COMMISSION DALLAS  IS ASKING FOR BUT IT IS NOT.  >> POLICIES CAN CHANGE VERY  QUICKLY CHARTERS TAKE A LITTLE  BIT MORE EFFORT IT CAN BE  CHANGED AT SOME POINT. BUT IT  TAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE  EFFORT.  >> THIS IS THE CITIZENS  CONSTITUTION. AGAIN, WHAT  DON'T YOU WANT DO WHAT I WAS  LOOKING TO DO IS TO THAT THE  DEBT. COULD BE ISSUED BY SUPER  MAJORITY VOTE. AND THEN ALSO  AT. BY ORDINANCE NOT AT AN  EMERGENCY MEETING.  >> EMERGENCY MEETINGS I I  UNDERSTAND THAT.  >> THE EMERGENCY MEETINGS ARE.  ONE READING. THERE'S NOT TOO.  THERE'S LIKE 24 HOURS NOTICE.  SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING  THE CITIZENS TO RELINQUISH  THEIR AUTHORITY. TO WEIGH IN  ISSUING DEBT AND WE JUST SAY  HEY AT ONE MEETING THAT YOU  GET NOTIFIED BY 24 HOURS.  THAT'S THAT'S NOT RIGHT.  >> YEAH, AND I ALSO I KNOW WHY  I DON'T HAVE A BIG PROBLEM  WITH THAT ASPECT THE TWO-PART  ASK US THAT THE REALITY IS TO  REACT TO AN EMERGENCY. WE  WOULD GO THE OTHER ROUTE IT  JUST LIKE WE DID WITH  HURRICANE. YOU KNOW, YES WE  HAD ADEQUATE FUND BALANCE BUT  THERE ARE MECHANISMS AND OTHER  DOLLAR US WE WOULD NEED I MEAN  IDEA OF EMERGENCY MEETING TO  COMMIT THE CITY TO THAT. I  DON'T THINK NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I  THINK THAT THE RESPONSE TO  EMERGENCIES ARE EVIDENT  INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES WOULD  BE ADDRESSED AND IN A  DIFFERENT FASHION AND IF THEY  COULD BE WE WOULD STILL BE  ABLE HAVE A REGULAR MEETING.  TO DO IT IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN  AND SHOULD THAT STUFF TO DO IN  THE REGULAR MEETING WITH  PROPER NOTICES AND ALL THAT  YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING WHAT  COMMIT THE CITY THAT THAT  ANYWAY BUT BUT IT'S PUTTING IT  IN THE AIR GIVES COMFORT I  JUST DON'T FOR PRACTICAL  STANDPOINT I DON'T SEE HOW  WILL BE A PROBLEM ANYWAY, BUT  AGAIN THAT'S THE POINT SAME  THING WITH THAT CAP. TO ME BUT  I UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD PUT IT  THERE CREATING ADDITIONAL  COMFORT SLUM, GOOD THERE ON  THE SUPER MAJORITY. YOU KNOW I  THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. AND TOYED  WITH IT. YOU KNOW, IT MEANS  THAT. MAJORITY IS ALWAYS COOL  AND ON AN ISSUE OF THAT. FOR  PROJECTS TO HAVE TO EVERY TIME  GET A SUPER MAJORITY THAT'S  WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.  >> WE GOING TO BE ISSUING  DEBT.  >> WELL QUITE. I THINK THE  VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. AS A  MATTER OF COURSE. WANT TO  ISSUE DEBT VARIOUS PROJECTS TO  BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE TO  SAY THEY WANT FLY NOW COSTS 2.  SHORTEN TIMELINES ON ON  MULTIPLE PROJECTS, SO I THINK  IT WILL BE A REGULARLY USE  TOOL.  >> I WOULD EXPECT THAT AS WELL  AND I SUSPECT TO CAPITAL AND  OTHER PROJECTS TRYING TO  DETERMINE WHICH ARE BEST  SERVED BY DEBT AND CONTINUE TO  BE AND GOT UP AND SO I THINK  THE SHORT TERM, BUT WE'LL SEE  IT. I THINK MAJORITY RULES  PRETTY WELL PUTTING A SUPER  MAJORITY ON THAT. THERESA  QUESTION REALLY OVERBOARD IT  TAKES A WHOLE IDEA MAJORITY  AWAY I DON'T SEE IT AS YOU  KNOW THE MAJORITY RULES A  BUDGET YOU KNOW ALREADY RULES  ON EVERYTHING TO USE A  SUPER-MAJORITY FOR FOR THIS.  SEE IT. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S  THAT'S GOING A LITTLE TOO FAR  BECAUSE. IT'S JUST TOO EASY UP  A SIMPLE MAJORITY SHOULD RULE  HERE. I MEAN IF IT MAKES GOOD  BUSINESS SENSE FOR EVERYBODY  ALONG THE WAY IT COMES TO  COMMISSION. THE CHARTER  COMMISSION AGREE THAT YOU KNOW  THIS SHOULD BE SHOULD FEDERAL  FRONT SHOULD TAKE PLACE. I I  SEE THAT MORE THAN SO  PERSONALLY THINK IT'S FAR MORE  IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  THE LANGUAGE IS IN THERE THAT  IT CANNOT BE.  >> ISSUED AT AN EMERGENCY  MEETING UP. I THINK THAT'S FAR  MORE IMPORTANT THAN MAJORITY  OR SUPERMAJORITY I MEAN IF IT  IF THERE'S A CONCESSION OR  COMPROMISE. I WOULD LIKE TO  MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S  LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT  EMERGENCY MEETING CANNOT BE  USED ISSUE THAT AND IT MUST BE  DONE BY ORDINANCE BE GOOD WITH  THAT POOR. THAT'S A I HAVE A  QUESTION ON TOP OF THAT YOU  HEAR THAT.  >> I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM  STAFF. I'M ON WHAT THE IMPACT  OF THAT WOULD BE I THINK  PERSONALLY I'VE BEEN INVOLVED  IN.  >> 2.  >> EMERGENCY MEETINGS.  >> I DON'T KNOW THAT AND AND  THERE.  >> SHORTLY AFTER THE EVENT. I  DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EVEN  KNOW THAT WE WOULD AT THAT  POINT IN TIME I THINK MAKING  THAT KIND OF A DECISION BEING  ABLE TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH AND  FOR WHAT. COOLER HEADS 10 TO  PREVAIL, BUT LOVE TO HEAR FROM  STAFF ON. UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCE OF THAT MIGHT BE I  CAN'T PICTURE IT BUT.  >> FIRST OF BEFORE THAT. OUR  SPEAK I WANT TO SAY I AGREE  WITH EVERYTHING TO CITY  ATTORNEY SLAYTON SAID EARLIER  FROM MY STANDPOINT. YOU AS A  BOARD HAVE THE RIGHT OF THE  FLEXIBILITY TO CALL EMERGENCY  MEETING IS CALLED EMERGENCY  MEETING FOR A REASON GATHERING  TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAW FOR  SOMETHING THAT MIGHT  SENSITIVE. DO WANT TO NOT HAVE  THAT ABILITY TO HANDLING TIME  SENSITIVE ISSUE, NOT ONLY  GREAT I NOT SEE OR SEE AN  EMERGENCY MEETING TO DEBT THAT  DOES IT. GET MORE STEPS TO IT  IN THE PROCESS BUT TO SAY HE  NOT DO IT IS STAYING. WE DON'T  WANT YOU TO HAPPEN WE WANT TO  HAVE MORE CONTROL, BUT IT'S  ALL ABOUT LET'S KEEP CONTROL  AS MUCH AS YOU CAN IN MY  OPINION AND A LOSE WITH YOU IN  THEY CAN ADD UP TO 10 YOU CAN  I JUST IT TO JUST CLARIFY  MEETINGS DO NOT RELATE ONLY TO  A STOIC JUST GOING READ THAT  THAT IS HOW TEND TO USE THEM  OR WE THING YOU KNOW A STORM  IS COMING. LET'S HAVE AN  EMERGENCY MEETING WITH DECLARE  A STATE OF EMERGENCY. THAT'S  WHAT YOU OFTEN SEE.  >> I THINK SPEAKING THAT'S YOU  KNOW THAT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR  AN EMERGENCY UNITED SAYS THE  MANAGER REFERENCED YOU KNOW  ANYTHING THAT SO TIME  SENSITIVE. WE CAN FOLLOW A  NORMAL  >> AND JUST TO ADD LIKE JUST  LIKE WITH ME AND YES, IT DOES  TAKE TIME OF COURSE WHEN  THERE'S AN EMERGENCY. WELL  AFTER PLAY IT'S A HURRICANE  EVENT IT TAKES TIME TO ASSESS.  WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WHAT  ARE THE DAMAGES. SO IT DOES  THE TIME IT'S NOT LIKE A  NEEDED ALL IT'S TO RIGHT.  >> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME.  I JUST.  >> I JUST I PREFER TO HAVE  PROCESS AND.  >> A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION  SAY YEAH WE IMPLEMENT POLICY  THROUGH RESOLUTION. IT'S JUST  THE CHARTER IS SO INFLEXIBLE  AND I CAN JUST 4 C.  >> A LOT OF TIMES WHEN ORDER  TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY WE  NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO  THINGS. AND AND IF WITH  FRIVOLOUS WE USE THAT  RESPONSIBILITY AND RESPONSIBLE  WAY AND STAFF SHOULD BE FIRED  AND COMMISSIONER SHOULD NOT BE  REELECTED. SO THERE'S A REMEDY  FOR THAT. AND I JUST. I JUST  CAN'T 4 C. THE UNINTENDED  NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES OF THE  RESTRICTIONS IN MY MIND IS  GREATER.  >> AND.  >> HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY AND  THEN OPEN MEETING TO HAVE THE  CONVERSATIONS AND MAKE CHANGES  BY RESOLUTION.  >> IN THE END I CAN'T SEE IN  THIS CASE. ANY UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES. THE REALITY IS.  JUST A CITIZEN WHO HAPPENS TO  BE A COMMISSIONER. OK I CAN'T  FORESEE ANY REASON WHY  EMERGENCY MEETINGS SHOULD BE  CALLED BY THIS COMMISSION. FOR  THE PURPOSE OF ISSUING DEBT. I  JUST CAN'T MY WILDEST DREAMS  BECAUSE. TO ISSUE DEBT IT'S A  PROCESS. YOU JUST DON'T SAY  WELL WHAT ABOUT ISSUE DEBT AND  LIKE A MONTH LATER LIKE  10 MILLION DOLLARS THAT JUST  DOESN'T HAPPEN THE REALITY IS  WE WILL GRAB WHATEVER MONEYS  THE CITY AS CITY AS HUNDREDS  OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE  WOULD USE WHAT FUNDS WE HAD  WHETHER IT WAS.  >> FUND BALANCES WEATHER WAS  PART OF THE 20%. AND THEN  THERE'S A MECHANISM FOR PAYING  THAT BACK THERE MONIES THAT WE  WOULD USE IN A CRISIS  TO SAY  WE WOULDN'T IT TO SAY WE WOULD  WANT THE ABILITY TO ISSUE DEBT  IN AN EMERGENCY MEETING. JUST  RUNS CONTRARY TO THE GOOD  FAITH TO THE CITIZENS. WOW AND  THE CONSEQUENCES TO IT'S THE  OFFICE IT PUTTING THIS IN THE  AREA, SAME THING AS A CAP.  AGAIN IT. I DON'T SEE A REASON  FOR BUT I DO SEE THE REASON  FOR WHEN IT COMES STAY ASKING  CITIZENS TO SUPPORT THIS  ENTIRE PROCESS WHICH IS A HUGE  LIFT FOR THEM. WE SEE  ACCIDENT.  >> ACTUALLY INTEGRAL I JUST  DON'T SEE I JUST SAID  SOMETHING I JUST FEEL  COMPELLED TO SAY SOMETHING. I  THINK WE ALL HAVE MADE THIS  THING A HUGE LEFT. MOST OF THE  PEOPLE I TALKED TO SAY YOU CAN  BORROW MONEY. FOR MAJOR  PROJECTS WITH MADE IT A BIG  DEAL AND I THINK THAT THERE  ARE SOME CITIZENS TO HOME. IT  IS A BIG DEAL. BUT THE FOLKS I  TALKED TO THEY SCRATCH THEIR  HEADS AND SAY WOW. ONLY FOR  MAJOR PROJECT I THINK YOU ARE  SO WRONG.  >> I THINK DO WAS REST TO MAKE  THE CITIZENS HERE FOR 65 YEAR  SAID THAT CONTROL IT IS  INGRAINED PEOPLE TO NATURALLY  DISTRUST.  >> AND TO IGNORE THAT REALITY  TO NOT GO THE EXTRA YARDS TO  ACCOMMODATE THAT LEVEL OF  DISTRUST. THEY'RE ASKING FOR  US TO GIVE REASONS FOR WHY  THEY SHOULD THIS IS A  REASONABLE OFFER FOR WHICH WE  LOSE NOTHING BECAUSE THE  REALITY IS WE WILL NEVER  EMERGENCY MEETING SO WHY WOULD  YOU NOT OFFERING SAME THING  WOULDN'T THAT CAP WAS NOT UP  BECAUSE REALLY NEVER GOING TO  BECOME AN ISSUE. THIS IS ABOUT  PERCEPTION PUBLIC PROCESSION  AND TO THINK THAT THE AVERAGE  CITIZEN GETS UP WINDS. HAVE  RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEY TRUST  US THEY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE  HEARD FROM MANY MANY TIMES  THERE 90,000 PEOPLE OUT THERE.  4050 30 IT 1000 OF THEM ARE  GOING TO AND BELIEVE ME  THEY'RE GOING TO SAY A WALL  THE RIGHT TO DO AND THE YOU  GIVE THEM A CALL FOR THE  BETTER CHANCE ARE GOING TO  SUPPORT BECAUSE THIS GETS  TURNED THEM ALL. LIKE. WHAT IS  PLAN B. SO I SAY EVERYTHING WE  TO BRING EVERY SINGLE PERSON  OUT THERE INTO THE FOLD.  ACTUALLY IT IS NOT WE'VE GOT  ENOUGH FOR THIS OR THAT PEOPLE  UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T  UNDERSTAND THEY PAY THEY ARE  VERY VERY HESITANT TO TRUST  YOU KNOW I THINK YOU  UNDERESTIMATE YOU DO WITH THE  FAILURE. THAT'S JUST MY  >> WEIGH IN PLEASE MY LIFETIME  I THINK WE SHOULD CALL THE  QUESTION.  >> THERE'S NO JUST DISCO OUT.  COMMISSIONER 1000 YEAH SO. THE  PURPOSE OF EMERGENCY MEETINGS  IS QUITE AND IF IT HAS VERY  GOOD INTENTIONS DECLARING A  STATE OF EMERGENCY WE DON'T  HAVE TIME TO DO TO PUBLICLY  NOTICED MEETINGS FIRST AND  SECOND READING THAT'S WHY WE  HAVE EMERGENCY POWERS TO BE  ABLE TO DO THAT TO DECLARE AN  EMERGENCY.  >> NOT TOO LONG AGO. A  COMMISSION. DUE AN EMERGENCY  MEETING AND ACTED IN THE  ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.  >> WHO WILDEST DREAMS WOULD'VE  THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN  POSSIBLE.  >> AND AT AN EMERGENCY  MEETING. WE DON'T KNOW FUTURE  COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO DO WE  CITY MANAGER CAN CAN CALL  EMERGENCY WE ALL HAVE TO BE  HERE. BUT I THINK ACCORDING TO  OUR TURNER ONLY ONE  COMMISSIONER HAS TO BE HERE. I  THINK THERE'S. MAYBE IT'S TOO  I DON'T REMEMBER BUT THERE  DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL 5 OF  US. I THERE'S A NUMBER THAT  THEY HAVE TO BE HERE. POINT  GRANTED WE NOT GOING ISSUE  DEBT AT AN EMERGENCY MEETING.  IT IS A PROCESS THAT COULD BE  UTILIZED. TO DEBT WITH ONLY 24  HOURS NOTICE TO THE CITIZENRY.  AT THE EMERGENCY MEETING ONLY  ONE READING THAT IS WHAT IS SO  IMPERATIVE IS TO MAKE SURE  THAT CITIZENS ARE ABLE TO  PARTICIPATE AND BEING ABLE TO  WEIGH IN AND AND TALK ABOUT  THIS DEBT THAT IS GOING TO BE  ISSUED AND THAT IS WHY I AM  VERY VERY HOLDING IN VERY  CLOSE THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT  THIS CANNOT BE DONE AT AN  EMERGENCY MEETING. SO I WANT  TO MENTION TO MOVE THINGS  ALONG. MAKE A MOTION TO  INCLUDE  ♪ THE COMMISSION MAY NOT ISSUE  DEBT SO THAT WE HAVE CITY  ♪ SORRY BUT TO I DON'T CARE.  >> ABOUT EMERGENCY MEANS THE  CHARTER DOES NOT SPEAK TO  EMERGENCY MEETINGS BUT IT  SPEAKS TO EMERGENCY ORDINANCE.  SECTION 7.0 2 STATES URGENCY  ORDINANCE BE ENACTED BY A VOTE  OF 4 COMMISSIONERS. SO THAT  RIGHTS A SUPER-MAJORITY INTO  EMERGENCY ORDINANCE IT ALSO  HAS TO BE DEEMED NECESSARY FOR  THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND  WELFARE OF THE CITY SO EVEN IF  SOMEONE ELSE CAN CALL AN  EMERGENCY MEETING IN ORDER TO  ENACT EMERGENCY ORDINANCE YOU  HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE OF 4. IF  YOU ONLY HAVE 3 PEOPLE SITTING  HERE THEN YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T  TAKE ANY ACTION ON EMERGENCY  ORDINANCE BUT IF WE'RE  COMMISSIONERS AND HAS TO  RELATE TO PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY  AND WELFARE WHICH YOU KNOW TO  BE FAIR IS A VERY BROAD. SO  THAT KIND OF COVERS MOST OF  YOUR  >> THEN COMMISSIONERS THINKING  OF IS THAT IF IT'S 4  COMMISSIONERS ARE UNAVAILABLE  IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY. SO THAT  IS TALKING ABOUT A STATE OF  EMERGENCY FOR REASONS BEYOND  YOUR CONTROL. AND THE MANAGER  MAKE GRANT INITIAL IN  TEMPORARY PROCUREMENT OF GOODS  AND SERVICES FOR AN ACTUAL  EMERGENCY AND THEN COME BACK  AND GET THAT RECTIFIED. BUT IT  DOESN'T RELATE TO OTHER TYPES  EMERGENCY ORDINANCES AND  THAT'S YOU'RE MEANT GOODS AND  SERVICES I DON'T THINK THAT  WOULD COVER WHAT WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT TODAY. SO THAT'S WHAT  YOUR CHARTER SAYS. AND SO IF  YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF  RESTRICTION AND PERHAPS IN A  MOTION CONSIDER MAKING THAT  RESTRICTION WITH RESPECT TO AN  EMERGENCY ORDINANCE MUCH  MEETING SO THAT IT'S RELATES  WITH THE OTHER LANGUAGE  >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY  AND ORDINANCE FOR SAYS MEETING  I APPRECIATE THAT. I MAKE A  MOTION IF THE CONVERSATION IS  READY FOR. CONSTRUCT THE CITY  ATTORNEY TO ADD LANGUAGE.  >> TO THE CHARTER.  >> ORDINANCE.  >> THAT THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT  CANNOT THE CONDUCTED ACT USING  AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE.  >> A SECOND. THAT'S CLEAR CITY  ATTORNEY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT WAS A  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  JOE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT  RED BACK BUT THAT WAS SECONDED  BY VICE MAYOR. A CLERK WITH  THAT FACT.  >> DIRECT THE CITY AND CITY  ATTORNEY TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE  TO THE CHARTER ORDINANCE THAT  THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT CANNOT BE  CONDUCTED USING AN EMERGENCY  ORDINANCE.  >> CAN. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY  WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT  THAT. WE HAVE TO SPECIFY WHAT  HE TALK ABOUT ANY ANY OF THAT.  >> AND THE COMMENT YEAH  ISSUANCE OF DEBT. IT'S GOING  TO BE ANYTHING SO AN EXAMPLE I  WANTED TO GIVE EARLIER ISN'T  AS WE HAVE BEFORE CROSSING  SQUAD PRICE BOULEVARD.  TYPICALLY WE HAVE SOMETHING  LIKE THAT HAPPEN. WE HAVE TO  HAVE A CONTRACTOR COME OUT AND  JUST TO A TEMPORARY REPAIR.  >> IF WE DON'T HAVE THE COLD  CASH.  >> OKAY WE HAD AT THIS TIME,  BUT WHAT ABOUT IF WE REALLY  GET THE DEVASTATION. WE CAN  COME UP WITH THAT MONEY  DOESN'T GET FIXED UNTIL WE  COME TO THE COMMISSION 2  PUBLIC HEARINGS. THAT HAS TO  GO THROUGH CITY ATTORNEY I  MEAN IT'S NOT JUST A MONTH OR  2 IT'S A FEW MONTHS SO WHAT  THAT WOULD MEAN AS AN EXAMPLE  IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY.  BECAUSE A CONTRACTOR WANTS  YOUR MONEY WHEN YOU HAVE AN  EMERGENCY THOSE ARE DOUBLING  OR TRIPLING IN PRICE. THAT'S  JUST HOW IT IS GOT TO COME UP  WITH THE MONEY. WE HAVE NO  MECHANISM FOR THAT WE'LL HAVE  TO WAIT. IT'S JUST HOW IT IS  RICH GOES OUT. WE'LL HAVE TO  WAIT.  >> THAT'S AN EMERGENCY AND YOU  CAN ISSUE DEBT WITH EMERGENCY  THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TALKED  ABOUT WITH THE TURNER  LANGUAGE.  >> THIS IS NOT COVERING THE  EMERGENCIES. THIS IS JUST  COVERING NON-EMERGENCY ITEMS.  THIS LINE THAT WAS JEANNE  INTENT. OK I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND  THAT.  >> WE DIDN'T SAY THAT HE SAID  ISSUE WITH YET SAID ISSUANCE  OF DEBT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  HEARING IN THE BACK OK FOR  NON-EMERGENCIES NON-EMERGENCY  ITEMS, ALTHOUGH HAVE A SECOND  OR SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN  DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT  IT'S THE ISSUANCE OF.  >> NON-EMERGENCY EXCEED AT OK,  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, I  THOUGHT IT WAS EXTREMELY CLEAR  THAT IF IT'S AN EMERGENCY YOU  GUYS ARE YOU KNOW WE WE OKAY  THANK YOU FOR THAT YOU WROTE  THE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT I HEAR  YOU.  >> AS WHEN I JUST THAT WE JUST  WENT THROUGH THE SAYING NOT BY  THE NON-EMERGENCY DEBT THAT  YOU ARE OF CANNOT BE CONDUCTED  USING AN EMERGENCY ORDINANCE.  >> LOGICAL RIGHT IT WOULD BE  LOGICAL BEEN ABUSED IN THE  PAST. SO.  >> OK SO WE DO WE NEED AN  AMENDMENT FOR THAT OR WHAT IT  WANT TO STRIKE BACK AND START  OVER AGAIN WITH HUMID NOW  >> I HAVE COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL AMENDMENT WHICH IN  THE SECOND AND THEN A VOTE.  OKAY SECOND ON THAT YET  >> WE DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO  GO VOTE ON FIRST TO BE A  REGIONAL. MOTION TO INCLUDE  NON EMERGENCY TOO. THE WORD ET  AND THAT WAS MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SECONDED  BY VICE MAYOR, SO WE'LL DO A  VOICE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT  FIRST. VICE MAYOR YES.  >> MAYOR ZS LANGDON SAY YES  WITH THAT AMENDMENT YET HELPS  A LOT THIS IS THE AMENDMENT  DOWN COMMISSIONER AVERAGE DID  YOU CATCH ALL THAT.  >> YES, UNFORTUNATELY I MEAN,  YES.  >> AND  >> NOW PHONE ME.  >> MOTION AS AMENDED OKAY,  VICE MAYOR YES, MAYOR ZS CS  DO. COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. AT  THAT WE'RE THANK YOU. ONLY  OTHER ONE IS MANAGE MONEY PLAN  THAT. MOTION WATCH. AND  >> I WAS GOING TO SEE ABOUT  ADDING IT TO THE CHARTER IS  PART OF CHARTER LANGUAGE THAT  DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY  APPROVED BY ALL THAT WE A DEBT  POLICY. IT'S DONE BY  ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS  LOOKING TO ADD TO THE CHARTER  LANGUAGE. THE COMMISSION SHALL  HAVE THE DEPTH POLICY THAT IS  ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE.  >> THERE BE ANY REASON TO STAY  ANY REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T  WANT TO DO THAT.  >> I CAN WHAT IT TAKES LONGER.  ONE THING TO THE LEGAL REASON  AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE STATE  STATUTE FOLLOWING STATE  STATUTE. THE CHARTER DEFINES  WHAT RESOLUTIONS ARE USED FOR  MUCH THEY'RE NOT REALLY  INTERCHANGEABLE TOOLS THAT YOU  PICK AND CHOOSE FROM.  RESOLUTIONS 4 MINUTES STRAIGHT  OF ACTIONS ORDINANCES ARE  LAWS. POLICIES LAWS, SO MY  LEGAL ADVICE WOULD BE THAT YOU  ADOPT ALL OF YOUR POLICIES BY  RESIDUE WHICH IS WHAT WHAT WE  OTHERWISE DO. NOW IF DESIRED.  IT'S THE REASON FOR SUGGESTING  ORDINANCE IS BECAUSE WE WANT  BEFORE THE PUBLIC TWICE. THEN  MY SUGGESTION SAY THAT BUT TO  USE THE APPROPRIATE. LEGAL  MECHANISM OF A RESOLUTION END  AND AND STATE THAT IN YOUR  CHART YOU CAN STATE THAT THAT  YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED AND  STATE LAW COVERS AND THE  CHARTER ALSO ARE THE  ADDRESSES.  >> WHAT RESOLUTION SO WE BUILD  INTO THAT THAT THAT WOULD ALL  SEE THAT CHANGES TO THAT  MATTER ALL SEE THE STEPPED ALL  SEASON WOULD HAVE A PROCESS A  PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S WHAT  YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.  >> IT THE DIFFERENCE IT OKAY  SO THIS STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR  ON WHAT RESOLUTIONS ARE USED  FOR MORE ORDINANCES FOR BUT  THE WAY THAT THEY ARE NOTICED  IS DIFFERENT ORDINANCES MUST  BE NOTICED BY THE ADVERTISING  NEWSPAPER AT LEAST 10 DAYS  BEFORE THAT'S NOT REQUIRED  RESOLUTIONS. OUR CHARTER  REQUIRES THAT WE POST  RESOLUTIONS SO I BELIEVE THIS  BULLETIN  ♪ BOARD MOVED DOWNSTAIRS ARE NOT  REQUIRED ADD. HOWEVER AND  ORDINANCES ARE REQUIRED TO BE  HEARD TWICE SAYING SEE THAT WE  EATING PURSES WHAT WAS THEY  MUST BOTH BE CONSIDERED  ADOPTED WITH MEETINGS AND  UNDER A DIFFERENT FLORIDA  STATUTE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO  HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON BEFORE  TAKING ACTION ITEM. SO BOTH  RESOLUTION AND ORDINANCE IS  KNOW AVAILABILITY OF THE  PUBLIC. NOT ONLY GOVERNMENT  ADOPTED, BUT ALSO TO COMMENT  ON IT.  >> THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY FALL  UNDER RESOLUTION WHERE WE WITH  CHANCE. WEATHER I HAVE NO  PROBLEM, YEAH, A GREAT STS.  >> THE SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE  BECAUSE OF WHAT A RESOLUTION  REQUIRES THIS WHICH IS ALL  UNDER THAT YEAH AND WE CAN.  >> BUILDING TO LANGUAGE AND  THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT IT  IS OUR INTENTION WE WANT THE  PUBLIC TO BE IN GONNA MAKE  COMMISSION WOULD WANT TO MAKE  CHANGES TO IT THAT POLICY I  WOULD THINK WE WANT THAT TO BE  OPEN. WITH IMPORT. YOU KNOW,  AND THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T  SAY THAT IN ORDER THAT WILL  ALL TAKE. SO YOU CAN BE BY  ORDINANCE BUT. JUST WE SAY  BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE  PROBABLY WANT IT TO THE STEP  MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT MAKES  IT EVEN MORE. CITIZEN FRIENDLY  TO SPEAK. I THINK FINAL LEGAL.  >> JUST CONCERNED THAT I TO  YOU IS THAT WHEN WE CREATE  UNIQUE PROCESSES ARE DIFFERENT  AND CODE AND WOMEN ARE CHARTER  AND WE ALSO SET UP THE CITY  FOR SOME POTENTIAL IT'S CHRIS.  SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU EXAMPLE  WHILE WE WERE TALKING TODAY  FIND COUNSELING OFFICE SAY OK  I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THAT  BONDS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY  ORDINANCE AND WHAT I'M  BOULEVARD ON WE DIDN'T WRITE  ORDINANCE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO  IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE LOCAL  WILL SOMEHOW WE LIKE NO NO NOT  RIGHT YOU KNOW. THE EVEN  THOUGH WE OBVIOUSLY REVIEW THE  CHARTER ALL OTHER HUMAN ERROR  DOZEN OR SO THESE LITTLE  NUANCES THAT ARE NOT  CONSISTENT WITH GENERAL  PROCESSES AND STATE LAW THERE  THERE IS A POSSIBILITY IN THE  FUTURE THAT SOMEONE WILL MISS  IT. AND SOMETHING IT ORDINANCE  AND OF UNIQUE LOCAL SPAM THAT  WE PLUGGED AND WE HAVE  CERTAINLY SUMMER. COMING IN  AND THINGS BEEN DONE THE LAST  1020 OR 25 OR MADE. I THINK  EXPECT ON THIS  ♪ >> OKAY IT IS 1246 WHAT IT IS  IT'S GOING TO BE A A LONGER  DISCUSSION THAN WE SHOULD  MAYOR I HAVE ABOUT 2 O'CLOCK  NEED AND YEAH, I CANNOT WRITE  TO SCHEDULE, OK SO I'M REALLY  UNLIMITED AND HOW MUCH LONGER  I CAN  ♪ >> PARTICIPATE SO IF WE THINK  WE CAN WRAP THINGS UP THAT. 45  MINUTES I WOULD RESPECTFULLY  REQUEST THAT WE PLOW THROUGH  IN FACT MUCH OF  >> I'D RATHER HAVE WANT OUT  RIGHT LET'S GET THIS DONE.  OKAY, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S  BILLINGS ARE KIND ROLLING  BEGAN IN MY OFFICE IF YOU'D  LIKE IT VICE OKAY SO JUST  ALWAYS ERR ENSURING PUBLIC  PARTICIPATION AND SOMETHING AS  IMPORTANT AS A DEBT POLICY IN  MY OPINION SHOULD BE DONE WITH  AT LEAST 2 READINGS. IT  DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE  DONE.  >> BY ORDINANCE WHEN I WHEN I  HEAR ORDINANCE I AUTOMATICALLY  GO TO READ SO IF IT HAS TO BE  ADOPTED IF IT'S ADOPTED BY  RESOLUTION BECAUSE OF WHAT  CITY ATTORNEY HAD SAID HAVE  THE ABILITY TO SAY YES WE ARE  GOING TO ADOPT THIS BY  RESOLUTION, BUT IT'S GOING TO  BE 2 WE'VE DONE THAT YES WE  HAVE I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO  MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOLUTION  ADOPTION FOR THE DEBT POLICY  IS BY 2 READINGS. IT'S  ADVERTISED THE PUBLIC KNOWS  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IT.  >> I HAVE A QUESTION  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. ARE YOU  THINKING THAT THE INITIAL  IMPLEMENTATION OF THE POLICY.  OR EVERY TIME WE WANT TO TWEAK  END ITS 2 READINGS WHAT ARE  YOU THINKING. YEAH.  >> OF COURSE INITIALLY  DEFINITELY BUT EVERY TIME THAT  IT GETS TWEAKED AND GOSH I  WOULD HOPE THAT ONCE WE  ADOPTED A POLICY WE DON'T  CHANGE IT. I'M A REGULAR BASIS  BECAUSE THEN IT'S KIND OF LIKE  WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING A  POLICY YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE  IT ON A WHIM AND THOUGH THE  POINT OF HAVING A POLICY. SO  WE CHANGES THEN YES ABSOLUTELY  NEEDS TO BE DON'T BUY. 2  >> I AGREE WITH THAT.  >> AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN  THAT THE COMMISSION WILL BE  ADOPTING POLICY BY RESOLUTION  WITH 2 READINGS. I WOULD AND  MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR  CITY ATTORNEY IF IT'S IN THE  CHARTER SAYING RESOLUTION WITH  2 READINGS.  >> ANY AMENDMENTS ARE  AUTOMATICALLY THEN DON'T BUY 2  READINGS OR SHOULD THAT BE  CLARIFIED.  >> IF PUT A PROCESS AND TO THE  CHARTER A SPECIALIZED YOU  NEED NORTH PORT PROCESS THAT  WILL HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED OR  EVERY TIME THE POLICY IS  TOUCHED BECAUSE AMENDMENTS AND  CHANGES THE POLICIES AND LAWS  ARE TO BE DONE THE SAME WAY AS  THE ADOPTION.  >> IT SAID THAT AND I THOUGHT  HERE, YOU KNOW. I  >> CITY ATTORNEY HIT THE NAIL  ON THE HEAD FOR ME ON THIS  EXCEPT THAT HERE IS THEY FROM  COMMISSIONER AND I THINK  ANYBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE  CONCERNS ABOUT THIS IS.  >> I  >> ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE A BIG  SUPPORTER AND THINK IT'S THE  RIGHT THING TO DO. HOPEFULLY  EVERYONE ELSE WANT TO ADOPT  THAT THAT POLICY ACTUALLY VOTE  ON IT AND HAVE TOP DID  PRECEDED TO THE NOVEMBER  REFERENDUM TO ACTIVE FOR TO GO  IN TO EFFECT. APOLLO. THE  APPROVAL BY THE CITIZENS OF  THE  CHARTER AMENDMENT. THIS WAY  IT'S NAILED WE DON'T HAVE TO  DO IT BEFORE WE APPROVE  LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE AND  THIS AND THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET  THAT BUT BETWEEN THAT TOP LINE  AND THE NOVEMBER REFERENDUM.  LIKE THIS THAT MANAGER POLICY  SHOULD NOT JUST BUT ADOPTED  AND APPROVED BY COMMISSION  PLACE TO GO INTO EFFECT  OTHERWISE YOU'VE GOT AN OPEN  WINDOW TO THE NOVEMBER  REFERENDUM THAT WILL GIVE YOU  COMFORT STEP THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY RELEASED FOR THOSE  TAKES TIME TO READ WILL GIVE  PEOPLE A LOT OF CONCERTS GO UP  OR ANYTHING YOU'VE GOT WORDS  THAT MIGHT SOLVE PROBLEM  MISTER YOU'RE REFERRING SHOULD  WE DON'T HAVE TO FORWARD TO  CHARTER. BUT PUTTING THE SCENE  AND THEN WITHIN THE DEBT ALSO  TALK ABOUT HOW CHANGES TAKE  PLACE IN THE HEARINGS THAT ARE  REQUIRED AND ALL THAT SO IT'S  IT'S FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.  >> THE DRESSES THAT SO.  >> I USE A YOU SAYING THAT NO  WE DON'T PUT IT IN THE CHARTER  THAT THE. POLICY IS GOING TO  BE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION WITH  2 READINGS.  >> YEAH, AND THEN AND YEAH I  THINK THAT'S THE BETTER WAY TO  GO KUZ KUZ I I'M I'M HERE AND  WHAT CITY ATTORNEY SAYING AND.  I DON'T I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM  WITH DOING IT THE OTHER WAY  BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO  BEFORE THE VOTERS EVEN VOTE  AND THERE IT IS STAIRS LIKE  THAT NOT TO PUSH AND AND I I  WOULD BE PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE  SAYING THAT FOR THE INITIAL  ADOPTION OF THE POLICY WILL DO  IT BY RESOLUTION TO READINGS.  >> BUT I'M AN ONGOING BASIS. I  THINK CHANGING IT WE STILL  DISCUSS IT A PUBLIC VENUE AND  JUST IN.  >> A FEW YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE.  WE FREQUENTLY HAVE TO GO BACK  AND TWEAK THINGS BECAUSE WE  DIDN'T THINK OF IT IT DOESN'T  SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGE WHAT ARE.  THAT POLICY IS BUT WE FIND  SOMETHING OR AT THAT WE NEED  TO TWEET AND TO HAVE THAT KIND  OF CUMBERSOME PROCESS TO DO.  NOT TERRIBLY IMPACTFUL CHANGES  IS BURDENSOME AND THE LONG  TERM SO AGAIN I'D BE VERY  SUPPORTIVE OF INITIAL WHY  ANYTHING THAT'S IMPORTANT IT  THAT CUMBERSOME TO REVISIT THE  SECOND TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT  YOU I DO YOU KNOW.  >> JUST IN TERMS OF HOW OFTEN  WE TWEAK POLICIES WE SURE  SHOULDN'T OR.  >> LIKE THIS IS LIKE ANY OTHER  KIND STUFF THIS IS.  >> THIS STEP MANAGEMENT POLICY  SHOULD BE A POLICY WHICH WHICH  WE FOLLOW BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN  THOROUGHLY VETTED BY EVERYBODY  AND SHOULDN'T CHANGE THAT  EASILY SHOULDN'T WANT TO IF IT  IS STAND BY WHAT IT LIKE A  MISTER THOUSANDS THE FIRST  PLACE WE'RE JUST GOING KEEP  TWEAKING IT TO MAKE IT WORK  FOR WHATEVER IT IS COMMISSIONS  MIGHT WANT TO MAKE IT WORK FOR  THAT'S NOT THE INTENT THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY IT RICH IN  WAR ALSO HOW AND GUIDELINES AS  TO HOW WE BORROW MONEY. YOU  KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE OF TIME  AND IF THERE'S TWEAKS SO BE  IT. BUT YOU KNOW LET IT GO  THROUGH ITS PROCESS WE'RE  REALLY TRYING HERE TO LIKE  MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND  HOW RESPONSIBLE WE'RE GOING TO  WITH THIS TOOL AND YOU KNOW.  >> BUT THINK WE'RE GOING HAPPY  THEY'RE COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO YOU  WANT TO PRESENT SOMETHING.  MOTION.  >> AND SEE HOW LAST OF MAKE A  MOTION MAKE A MOTION THAT THE  CHARTER LANGUAGE INCLUDED A  REFERENCE TO THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY. ADOPTED BY  COMMISSION. I RESOLUTION WITH  2 READINGS.  >> BUT CITY CLERK INCLUDE  CHARTER LANGUAGE TO STATE THE  DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY WILL BE  ADOPTED BY COMMISSION WITH A  RESOLUTION AND 2 READINGS.  >> SECOND FOR A DISCUSSION OF  SO WHEN YOU SAY ADOPTION ARE  YOU SHOW ADOPTION OF THE  POLICY. WHAT'S THE INTENTION  OF THE MOTION.  >> INTENTION OF THE MOTION IS  THAT THE. CHARTER CONTAINS  LANGUAGE THAT SHOWS THERE WILL  BE A DEBT POLICY THAT'S FIRST  AND SECOND IS THAT IT'S  ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION WITH 2  READINGS AND AS THE CITY  ATTORNEY ALREADY STATED IF  THERE ARE AMENDMENTS IT BE  AMENDMENTS ARE FOLLOWED BY  WHAT THE PROCESS WAS FOR  INITIAL ABDUCTION DID I GET  THAT CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO  THAT MEANS ANY AMENDMENTS WILL  ALSO BE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION  WITH 2 ROOMMATES. BECAUSE THIS  COMMISSION KNOWS WHAT WE  ADOPTED 10 YEARS FROM NOW IF  THEY GO TO CHANGE IT.  >> THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO  READINGS ALSO I.  >> AND I AGREE SAID SOMETHING  THAT THIS IS NOT A POLICY  THAT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD FOR  THE PUT OUT THERE JUST WITH  LITTLE THOUGHT IT'S GOING TO  BE PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED SO  I DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ALL  THAT WE SHOULDN'T FORGET MEANT  POLICY HAVE THAT MANY JUSTIN'S  THAT HAVE TO BE MADE SO WE  HAVE THAT MOTION MADE BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SECONDED  BY.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON SO  LET'S DO A VOICE VOTE. VICE  MAYOR OF THE MAYOR ZS KNOW.  MCDOWELL YES. COMMISSIONER  HARRIS DID YOU GET THAT.  ♪ >> YES, I GOT I'M GOING TO BE  A YES, BUT I THOUGHT WE MIGHT  HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH  THE SAME  ♪ BUT JUST HAVING IT READ AT A  NIGHT MEETING. THE CITIZENS  PARTICIPATE, BUT I'LL BE A  OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT JUST LIKE  TO COMMENT. YEAH. FOR ALL THE  REASONS THAT CITY ATTORNEYS  STATED I DON'T LIKE US HAVING  ONE OFF POLICIES AND  PROCEDURES WE HAVE JUST GONE  THROUGH A LABORIOUS EFFORT  CLEAN UP ULDC AND OTHER KINDS  OF DOCUMENTS. AND AND I JUST  THINK WHEN WE DO ONE-OFFS IT  JUST VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO  BE CONSISTENT AND ACCURATE IN  EVERYTHING THAT WE DO I WOULD  HAVE BEEN FINE ADOPTING THE  INITIAL POLICY WITH 2  READINGS. BUT I THINK.  STANDARD POLICY FOR  MODIFICATIONS THEY'RE STILL  PUBLIC. THEY'RE STILL POSTED  ITS STILL PLENTY OF  OPPORTUNITY ALL. ALL RIGHT,  THANK YOU DO WE KNOW THAT.  COMMISSIONER  >> YEAH, YEAH, I I AM GOING TO  YOU BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE 2  MAJOR STICKING POINTS, THE  SUPER MAJORITY WAS A IN  BETWEEN STICKING POINT I WILL.  I WILL YIELD ON THE CHARTER  LANGUAGE I THINK THAT.  EVERYTHING ELSE HOPEFULLY WILL  BE IN PLACE AND I THINK THIS  WILL GIVE THE CITIZENS A  LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT TO  KNOW THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL  GUARDRAILS IN PLACE. SO THANK  YOU FOR THAT CONVERSATION LOOK  FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION ON  THE DEPTH POLICY.  >> OKAY.  >> SO ARE WE READY TO MOVE ON  TO THAT. YES OKAY. SO I WANT  TO START OFF WITH THAT. SO I  WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION ON  THAT ARE NOW JUST WHATEVER. I  EVER WANT TO GET OUR SOUTH  WHICH YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE A  PRESENTATION ON IT BUT.  >> WE NEED TO FILL THE REQUEST  OF PUTTING IT TOGETHER IN A  WAY THAT SAYS 4 TRAPPED OF THE  POLICY BY NO MEANS COMPLETE  YEAH, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE  ATTIC, BUT THAT'S OKAY, BUT  YOU I MAYBE I CAN MAKE A  SUGGESTION RATHER THAN  SECURING AND.  >> IF YOU'RE DEBATING  WORDSMITH IT YOU KNOW WE  FORGOT THAT FAIRLY RECENT  PERIOD TIME. PERHAPS JUST  MIGHT BE LET'S PLAY WITH LET'S  MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS LET'S IT  OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK  AT. IT'S NOT IMPORTANT THAT  YOUR BIGGEST FOCUS WAS ON THE  LINE WHICH LANGUAGE GETTING  THAT WOULD BE MAJOR STRIDES ON  WERE THERE SO THIS THAT POLICY  CAN COME AFTER THOSE 2 THINGS  AND WE HIT OUR HEADLIGHTS AS  LONG AS WE GET TO THE POINT  WHERE WE CAN BRING THIS BEFORE  COMMISSION GET ADOPTED WELL  BEFORE EARLIER BEFORE THE  NOVEMBER REFERENDUM, THE  BETTER THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE  UNDERSTAND BUT I THINK THERE'S  A LAW TO GO I'D LOVE TO SEE A  LOT OF PEOPLE ARE. CITIZEN  PARTNERSHIPS OUT THERE WEIGH  IN ON ON THIS THIS WAS THE  FIRST CAUGHT THAT WE PUT  TOGETHER WE HAD WE HAD OF  SARAH WE CHARLOTTE COUNTY WE  HAD WE HAD TO SCHOOL BOARD NOW  WE'VE GOT ONE THAT OUR FINANCE  DEPARTMENT ONLY PUT OUT HASN'T  EVEN BEEN LEGALLY SO I SUGGEST  WE COULD SIT HERE ALL  AFTERNOON TALKING ABOUT THE  STEPS POLICY AND NEVER GET  WHERE WE NEED TO BECAUSE  THERE'S NO DECISIONS WHICH I  SUGGEST. WE COME BACK WE JUST  WORK IT. PUT OUT I THINK I  MEAN THAT'S JUST LIKE TRY  >> WHAT YOU ALL CITY ATTORNEY  CITY MANAGER WITH THAT WHAT  MY. WE'VE GOT THE MOST  IMPORTANT THING DONE GREAT TO  MEET THAT DEADLINE. ATTORNEY  WHAT HE THINKS.  >> I THINK THAT WORKS NOW  MEANS HEARING THAT YOU'RE  THINKING ABOUT ADOPTING THE  POLICY PRIOR TO THE  REFERENDUM. SO IT LIKELY BE  HAVE INEFFECTIVENESS  CONTINGENT ON THE PASSING. SO  THEN YOU WOULD WANT TO DO THAT  OUR RESOLUTION WITH 2 READINGS  THAT WAY IT. YOU KNOW ONCE  BECOMES EFFECTIVE, IT'S BUT  WHAT ABOUT CHARGE I ALSO WANT  CLARIFY THAT INDIVIDUALLY WE  HAVE QUESTIONS WE CAN BRING  THEM. WRECKED ON THIS POLICY  SOMETHING I WANT TO BE THE  BEST PERSON THAT INSULATES OK  OUR CITY MANAGER ABOUT THAT  AND AND FOR TO YOUR POINT WHAT  ARE OUTSIDE FINANCIAL.  >> COUNCIL.  >> THAT'S ALREADY TO ASSIST.  STAFF WITH THAT I MEAN THEY'RE  THEY'RE ITS MORE ITS NOT ON  COUNCIL, IT'S THIS POLICY.  >> THIS IS BEST FOR ME IT'S A  FINANCIAL I MADE SENSE ON TOP  OF OR SO VICE MAYOR YOU SORT  OF READ MY MIND I I REALLY I  THINK STAFF MADE A GOOD FAITH.  FIRST ATTEMPT TO PUBLIC POLICY  TOGETHER SOME OF KEY THINGS  ITEM BE 5 ISO TBD SO I'D  RATHER HAVE US REVIEW AND  DISCUSS A MORE COMPLETE  DOCUMENT. SO I I WOULD SUGGEST  I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD  FEEL ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP  ON THIS I I'M NOT A DEATH  POLICY EXPERT I HAVE A LOT OF  QUESTIONS ON WHAT DOES THIS  MEAN WHAT THAT MEAN SO EITHER  WORKSHOP ARE A SERIES OF ONE  ON ONES WITH PROBABLY WORKSHOP  MIGHT BE BETTER MISSION AND  MORE PUBLIC. SO THAT WOULD BE  MY  >> SAW THE CITY MANAGER  SHAKING ITS HEAD SO MAKE PARTY  WITH THE BEST AND HELPING GET  THERE RIGHT EVEN THOUGH THERE  SAY THAT THIS WAS A FUNNY ROAD  IN ADDITION TO WHAT STAFF TO  THANK YOU. IS BEING CUT BACK  PLAY A ROLE IN THE COMPLETION  OF THIS AS WE STATED AS WE GET  FURTHER DOWN THE LINE HAS TO  AND THEY GIVE US SOMETHING  THAT WILL LOOK MORE LIKE WHAT  YOU WILL BE COMING TO MAKE  THIS ALL THAT'S WHEN YOUR  WORKSHOPS SHOULD YOU KNOW THAT  THE CONVERSATION SO THAT YOUR  INPUT INCLUDED AS THEY ARE  HOPING TO DEVELOP SOONER  RATHER THAN LATER BUT IT'S  LIKE A PLAN.  >> MISSION LINE YOU'RE SO LONG  YOU OK, I'M GOOD COMMISSIONER  DOUBT, CITY ATTORNEY HOW MUCH  TIME ARE YOU GOING TO NEED TO  KIND GO THROUGH THIS  PRELIMINARY DRAFT OR DO YOU  WANT TO WAIT UNTIL FIRST  READING. AGAIN THAT'S A  FUNCTION OF MANAGERS BACK  FINANCE HARTMAN SOLD YOU.  >> WE WILL WORK WE WILL REVIEW  FOR THE ADOPTING RESOLUTION  AND WE DO OKAY, WE DO IT OVER  TO PRETTY OFTEN POLICIES ARE  HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT FOR ME  CONSISTENT. SHE THIS IS  SOMETHING BOX OKAY I HEARD  SOMEBODY I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID  IT BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD  NOT DOCKET.  >> I DIDN'T KNOW THAT  SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO REVIEW  OR IF IT WAS JUST TOO FOR  FIRST TO LAW. OKAY.  >> THAT AMERICANS WANT ASK  EVERY DISH AND A CITY ATTORNEY  DO. WE PUT TOGETHER IT WAS  TRULY PUT TOGETHER WERE TOLD.  EASY TO PUT TOGETHER A POLICY  BASED ON THE ONES THAT WE  PROVIDE A SPECTRUM IT. IT'S  NOT THAT NO IT.  >> SO I GUESS THAT MY NEXT  QUESTION IS TO USE MANAGER  IT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD  SEEMS TO BE TO HAVE THIS DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY ADOPTED BACK  PRIOR TO THE REFERENDUM. THAT  MEANS DONE BY LAST MEETING IN  OCTOBER. WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER  GIVES YOU ENOUGH TIME WHAT YOU  GUYS NEED TO DO FOR US TO HAVE  A WORKSHOP AND THEN FOR CITY  ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW  EVER TO OF THE RESOLUTION FOR  FINAL ADOPTION, END OF  OCTOBER.  >> SEPTEMBER SOUTH ACCURATE  PLACE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED  VIEW WE CONTACTED CONTACTED TO  DO THIS IT. WE NEVER SAID THAT  HE WOULD HAVE THIS TO YOU  FIRED NOVEMBER. SO WE STILL  HAVE TO GET THE LORD TELL THEM  THE DATE OF WHAT YOU HAVE  GIVEN US TO DO BASED ASKED  THEM TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT  WE CAN GET YOU THAT BY IF YOU  WHAT YOU LIKE WORK WHICH WAS  STILL COME BACK TO YOUR  SEPTEMBER TIME BECAUSE IF  YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE  CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.  GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN WHEN  YOU GET  >> MAKE MOTION ULTRA EMOTION  OKAY TAKE A MOTION TO HAVE A  DET POLICY WORKSHOP IN  SEPTEMBER. WITH THE FINAL  ADOPTION TO BE HELD PRIOR MORE  AND REFERENCE THE. HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER.  DOW AND THAT WAS TAKEN IN BY  VICE MAYOR DO CITY CLERK WHEN  YOU'RE ACT.  >> SCHEDULE A DEBT MANAGEMENT  POLICY WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER  WITH THE FINAL ADOPTION TO BE  HELD PRIOR TO NOVEMBER  REFERENDUM. FOUND OUT THE  SOUNDS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT I  SAID THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE'LL DO A  VOICE VOKES.  >> VICE THERE'S YES MAYOR ZS  LANGDON CS DON'T. COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE. YES OKAY, THANK YOU.  >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY  TALK ABOUT MUCH MORE RIGHT TO  HAVE THE WORKSHOP EVERYBODY  HAS A CHANCE TO REALLY GET  THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND  GET READY  >> EVERYTHING YOU NEED OR ARE  YOU STILL. YOUR NAME COVID  >> OKAY SO LET'S GO TO WE HAVE  ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. KRISTINA  SMITH, THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE  IN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT  REGARDING THE CAP PER PROJECT  AND THE STIPULATIONS ABOUT IT  AREA PROJECT MUST MEET FOR THE  CITY'S BONDING AUTHORITY IS A  STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION  TOWARDS A COMPROMISE AND  GAINING THE TRUST OF CITIZENS,  ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THE  STIPULATION UNDER THE PROPOSED  LANGUAGE SECTION 2 B I. THE  DRAFT A CHARTER AMENDMENT  WHICH STATES THE CITY SHOW NOT  AVOID THE REQUIREMENTS IN THIS  SECTION BY SEPARATING A SINGLE  SIMULTANEOUS FOR CONCURRENT  PROJECT IN DEPARTS TO AVOID  THE LIMITATIONS SET FORTH  THEREIN. I NOTICE THAT  LANGUAGE IS ONLY LISTED UNDER  TO BE. I THAT REFERS TO PRIOR  TO OCTOBER 2025 TO BE. I I  READ FIRST 2 AFTER OCTOBER  2025 AS IT SHOULD AFTER  OCTOBER 2025 OR DOES THE  WORDING OF THAT STATEMENT NEED  MOVED AROUND. ANOTHER AREA OF  IMPROVEMENT THAT I WONDER ON  IS REGARDING THE CRITERIA  STATING THE CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENTS FACILITIES DOES  THIS MEAN THAT ANY PROJECT  COSTING UNDER 20 MILLION FOR  THE FACILITIES LISTED  QUALIFIES THE SECTION COULD  USE FOR THE CLARIFICATION I  HAVE NO RECOMMENDATION  REGARDING IMPROVING THE  PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE BUT I  FEEL IT'S TONY'S ADJUSTMENTS  IF WE WANT A MAJORITY TO VOTE  FOR THANK YOU. SO IF THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE.  >> IT IS ONE '08 AND I DURING  THIS MEETING WILL NOT AND HOW  TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY TO  LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A DISASTER  FOR YOUR EVACUATION YOU SHOULD  HAVE MULTIPLE ROUTES TO GET TO  LOCATION. YOU'RE PLANNING TO  GO TO JUST BECAUSE.  >> TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON 75  MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION THINGS YOU  SHOULD STAY HOME IF YOU ARE  NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S BEING  EVACUATED AND IF YOUR HOME IS  BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY