WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET TO  STORM AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY  THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY  COSTS AND OTHER SO WE WILL  HAVE A BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE  COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT  PRIORITIZE BASED AND THE OTHER  RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE  CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON  THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS MIGHT  BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT BE  DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE  TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL  BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO  CLEAR THE ROADS ANY HAUSER'S  US SO THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN  GET THROUGH AND RESPOND THE  CAUSE.  ♪ JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN  YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR  CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE  ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CARE  ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR  SAFETY BUT IT MAY JUST TAKE A  WHILE FOR US TO GET TO THE  SCENE ON THE OF  ♪ THE WRECK.  >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY THERE WATER AND  THEY ARE GOING STORM SURGE AND  FLOODING OVER NEXT SO STORM  SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN  ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A  LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE  GOAL IS PUSHING WATER UP ONTO  NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF  FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, GULF AND THEN THE  WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO I  COULD CAUSE WATER TO BACK THAT  ALONG WITH A LOT OF RAIN THAT  COMES FROM ALSO CAUSED  INCREASE OF WATER FLOODING  INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING WELL. PUBLIC  WORKS WITH A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR AND THE WAR AGAINST STORM  SURGE FLOODING IN OUR WATER  SYSTEMS IF YOU WANT ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION ON THAT WE HAVE A  GREAT THAT A LOT FOLKS  ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL ON THE AQUATICS  MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS  RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE  HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT  AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO  EVERYONE ABOUT A BLOW FOR LIFE  PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT  NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL  DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE  OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN THAT ARE  UNDER THE AGE OF SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES INTO TROUBLE  SITUATION. THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO WANT TO  GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH  ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED  THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE  AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY  PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL  THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA RIVERS  PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE  PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH  WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE  SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS  PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE CAN  CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH  THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S  A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN  THEY GRADUATE IS ONE OF THE  FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS  THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND  THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL  OVER ON THE BACK AND ACTUALLY  BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND  THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST  AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM  THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR  LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT  WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE  KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN ON  AND AROUND THE WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH VENDITTI  MARIO TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE  ONLY BEEN DOING THIS JOB, I'VE  BEEN HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SO MARIO  TELL PEOPLE WHAT IT ENTAILS  WHAT YOU DO.  >> THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR  SOLID WASTE THE CITY GOOD  MORNING. IT IS 10:00AM TUESDAY  JUNE 11TH 2024 AND WE'RE IN  THE STUDY CHAMBERS AND I CALL  THE CITY COMMISSION REGULAR  MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS A  HYBRID MEETING THIS MEETING  HAS BEEN PROPERLY NOTICED THEY  WILL BE CONDUCTED AS A HYBRID  MEETING REQUIRING THE USE OF  COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA  TECHNOLOGY, A PHYSICAL FORM  VOTING. MEMBERS IS PRESIDENT  AND CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS,  A HYBRID MEETING ALLOWS VOTING  MEMBERS TO ATTEND AND  PARTICIPATE WITHOUT BEING  PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN THE ROOM  WITH THIS FORM IS SO ROLE ALL  MYSELF MAYOR WHITE VICE MAYOR  STOKES COMMISSIONER LANGDON  AND COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. SO  NOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM.  COMMISSIONER AND RICH.  >> MORNING MAYOR. BOARD.  >> HAS AUTHORIZED BY STUDY  COMMISSION POLICY NUMBER 2021  DASH TIME. I AM ATTENDING THE  HYBRID MEETING VIA  COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA.  TECHNOLOGY'S I'M EXPERIENCING  A MEDICAL CONDITION, INCLUDING  MANY DISABILITIES, PREVENTING  ME FROM ATTENDING THIS MEETING  IN PERSON AT THIS TIME, THANK  >> THANK YOU SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  USE OF CMT FOR THIS HYBRID  MOVED BACK ALL RIGHT SO WE  HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  USE OF CMT FOR THIS HYBRID  MEETING MADE BY VICE MAYOR  SOCAL SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON WE WILL DO A VOICE  VOTE VICE MAYOR AS MAYOR A C S  MAYOR ZS LANGDON SAY YES  MCDOWELL NOTE. YES, OKAY.  PASSES. 4 TO ONE COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL DO WANT TO SPEAK TO  THAT OKAY. ALSO PRESENT WE  HAVE CITY MANAGER FLETCHER  CITY ATTORNEY SLAYTON CITY  CLERK OUT TO SUPPORT  SPECIALIST BOEBERT. I'M REALLY  TRYING TO SAY WHO WAS THE  POLICE THAT JOB POSSIBLE.  >> THANK THANK AND FIRE CHIEF  TITUS CORRECT YEAH THANK YOU  MIKE TIED BY THE WAY ALL  RIGHT.  >> SO WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVE  OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND  I'M GOING TO CALL ON. DAVID  DUVAL 2 LEADERS THANK YOU.  PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO UNITED  STATES AMERICA ROOST ALL  INDIVISIBLE WITH GOALS FOR AU.  THANK YOU AND THAT I'VE REMISS  TO NOT ANNOUNCING THIS BUT WE  DO HAVE HEADSETS AVAILABLE FOR  THOSE NEED THAT WE'RE HEARING  ENHANCEMENT SO HAVE REMEMBER  TO ANNOUNCE THAT. MOVING TO  APPROVAL OF AGENDA. LOOKING  FOR A MOTION ALL RIGHT, WE  HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  AGENDA MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON AND SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. SO  THERE'S NO CHANGES RIGHT SO  THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE WILL  DO A VOICE VO AIR YES, MAYOR  IS THE U.S.. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON YES MCDOWELL, SURE  AVERAGE.  >> COMMISSIONER EVERGY THERE  WE  >> OKAY THAT WAS A YES, OKAY.  >> I DIDN'T GET THAT YOU KNOW  NOW THANK YOU SO THAT PASSES  5, 2, RIGHT MOVING ON TO  PUBLIC COMMENT. CITY CLERK.  >> DAVID I AM DISCUSSING  SPRING HAVEN ROTATES  CONSIDERED EXTENSIVE GREEN  SPACE BETWEEN AN ANCIENT  SPRING AND MYAKKA HACHI CREEK.  THE SPRING IS IT LOGIC LEE AND  HISTORICALLY AND VALUABLE. THE  PINK IS A SOURCE OF OUR  DRINKING WATER PLEASE ASK  YOURSELF WHAT IS TRULY  IMPORTANT AND IN PERSON WE  HAVE CHUCK ENGLISH FOLLOWED  RIGHT CAMPUS ANTI.  >> GOOD MORNING. DIDN'T. I'M  GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT SPRING  EVEN LATER BUT.  THANK COMMISSION WHERE OF THE  PROJECT IS BEING UNDERTAKEN  ROAD AND DRAINAGE AS IT  RELATES TO MASK THAT YOU  CREATE. THE NAME OF THE  PROJECT IS A MAN I HAD TO PICK  ACCESS. I BELIEVE IT'S BEING  DONE UNDER GRANT. SO THERE'S  JUST A LOT EYES. CROSS. AND  T'S CROSSED WANT TO MAKE YOU  AWARE THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT  GROUP INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE.  WE'RE ALSO AWARE. AND THIS IS  PROBABLY THE ONLY WILDLIFE  CORRIDOR. WE HAVE LEFT IT'S  NOT REDMON. IT'S RIGHT UP  THERE WITH IMPORTANCE OF ONE  TO MAKE YOU AWARE OTHERS  SIGNIFICANT ANYWHERE. MORNING  AND SAID THE SAME THING.  >> I'LL TALK ABOUT SPRING  HAVEN MOSUL LATER.  >> THE FIRST THING WANT TO  MENTION THE MOSQUITO  MANAGEMENT ISSUE AGAIN NOT  GOING TO LET IT GO TO REST  GOING TO BRING IT UP IN EVERY  SINGLE MEETING. AND I KNOW  THAT NATURAL RESOURCES  DIVISION IS WORKING ON IT I'M  GRATEFUL FOR THAT. AND I HAVE  TRUST IN THAT ALSO IN THAT  WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.  HOWEVER I AM GOING TO MENTION  IT EVERY SINGLE MEETING UNTIL  WE GET SOME DISCLOSURE ON IT  AND ACTION. FINALLY AFTER SO  MANY YEARS. THE SECOND THING  IS. DEPARTMENTAL PUT MORE  DONATION. SPECIFICALLY  SPEAKING WITH AND I'VE BEEN  TRYING TO GET THIS SOLVED FOR  YEARS NOW. WE HAVE A CODE  ENFORCEMENT. NATURAL RESOURCES  DIVISION. AND THE CONSERVATION  OFFICER. THE PROBLEM THAT  WE'RE FACING EVERYBODY KNOWS  EVERYTHING TAKES PLACE ON THE  WEEKENDS AND HAVE TO 5  O'CLOCK. WE DON'T HAVE  ADEQUATE STAFF CODE  ENFORCEMENT TO HANDLE ALL  THIS. I HAD SUGGESTED A  POSSIBLE ROTATION SCHEDULE.  FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO MAYBE  LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE ON THE  WEEKENDS AND AT THE 5 THAT'S A  TOTAL FREE FOR ALL WE'RE GOING  TO DO IS DRIVE AROUND I DON'T  CARE WHICH SECTION OF OF NORTH  PORT YOU'RE DRIVING AROUND AND  THIS VIOLATIONS LIKE YOU  WOULDN'T BELIEVE LOTS BEING  CLEAR TREES BEING CUT DOWN  SWALES BEING MESSED UP  EVERYTHING HAPPENS IF THOSE  PARTICULAR TIMES AND EVERYBODY  KNOWS WHEN TO DO IT. SO AS WE  ARE GROWING AND WE'RE GETTING  MORE AND MORE. POPULATION IT'S  ONLY GOING TO INCREASE. SO I  JUST THINK IT'S REALLY TIME TO  REALLY CONSIDER LOOKING AT  THAT. AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTING  MAY BE TEMPORARILY ROTATION  SCHEDULE UNTIL WE CAN HIRE  MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE  IS TO REALLY DEAL WITH WHAT'S  GOING ON. THAT'S IT FOR THEM.  >> OKAY THANK YOU ALL RIGHT,  THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. I'M  GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM 3 WHICH  IS ANNOUNCEMENTS.  >> CITY VACANCIES FOR THE  FOLLOWING BOARDS AND  COMMITTEES INCLUDE THE ART  ADVISORY BOARD AUDITOR  SELECTION COMMITTEE CHARTER  REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD CITIZENS  TAX OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE  ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD  HISTORIC AND CULTURAL ADVISORY  BOARD POLICE OFFICERS PENSION  TRUST FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES  PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY  BOARD PLANNING AND ZONING  ADVISORY BOARD VETERANS PARK  ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ZONING  BOARD OF APPEALS SARASOTA  COUNTY ADVISORY COUNCIL  VACANCIES ARE ONE RESIDENT  OF NORTH PORT TO SERVE ON THE  CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE  COMMITTEE AND ONE RESIDENT OF  PORT TO SERVING THE CITIZENS  COMMITTEE FOR SCHOOL FACILITY  PLANNING ANYONE WOULD LIKE  MORE INFORMATION THEY SEE THE  CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. THANK  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MOVING  TO ITEM FOR CONSENT AGENDA  CITY MANAGER.  >> AND THE ITEMS POLLED.  >> JUST WHO I WAS MENTALLY OR  ITEM 4 A WHICH IS 24 DASH 0,  6, 6, 6,  >> THE WHICH IS 24 DASH 0, 6,  6, 7 BECAUSE DO WE HAVE ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT. ROBINSON  PERCENT  >> THE. FOR AN ADVISORY BOARD  AND COMMITTEES. A COUPLE OF  THINGS. I HAVE ONE THROUGH.  >> MOST OF THE MINUTES. THE  ADVISORY BOARDS. AND THE  COMMITTEES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT  THE HECK IS GOING ON IF I LOOK  AT THOSE MINUTES. THEY ALSO  THINK. SO THAT I HAVE NO  ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT TOOK  PLACE. AND I KNOW THAT.  THERE'S NO VIDEO THAT  ACCOMPANIES THOSE MINUTES WITH  THE EXCEPTION OF THE PLANNING  AND ZONING BOARD AND CHARTER.  >> IF YOU'RE BORED. BUT HOW DO  I REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON  IF I HAVE NOTHING TO COMPARE  IT TO. I MEAN I TAKE THOSE  ADVISORY BOARDS AND  COMMITTEES. JUST AS  IMPORTANTLY AS A CHARTER.  BOARD. AND IN ORDER TO ME TO  FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS  WERE AND WHAT EXACTLY TOOK  PLACE. I CAN'T DETERMINE THAT  FROM THE MINUTES BECAUSE IT'S  JUST SO FAKE. ALL I KNOW IS A  DISCUSSION HAPPENED AND THAT'S  ABOUT IT. WHAT KIND OF  DISCUSSION WHAT ARE CONCERNS  OF I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT  NEEDS TO BE WORKED JUST LIKE  WE HAD CLARITY IN OUR  COMMISSION MINUTES.  >> I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE  SOME KIND IN MORE  CLARIFICATION IN THOSE MINUTES  FROM THE COMMITTEES.  >> THAT'S ABOUT IT ON THAT  ONE. THANK YOU. AND TAKING  NOTES AND SPROUT. ANYTHING  ELSE.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION REGARDING THE  CONSENT TO  >> WANTS TO MAKE MAKE A MOTION  TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA  AS PRESENTED PULLING ITEMS AND  ITEM FOR DISCUSSION SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  TO APPROVE THE AGENDA, PULLING  OR A AND B FOR DISCUSSION AND  THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER MINDED IF THERE'S  NOTHING PLACE. VICE MAYOR VICE  MAYOR'S AND YES COMMISSIONER  LANGDON NO YES.  >> MERGE. YES.  >> WE DO HEAR YOU A LITTLE  FRIEND KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO  GO SHUT THE DOOR RIGHT NOW  HAHA.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE  APPROVAL 5 0 THAT PASSES ALL  CITY MANAGER POLL ITEM I GUESS  WE'LL START COMMISSION WOULD  NOW OKAY.  >> AND FOR CLARITY WE CAN  DISCUSS BE TOGETHER BECAUSE  THE SITUATION IS EXACTLY THE  SAME JUST ON THE 2 DIFFERENT  AGREEMENTS WHEN I WAS  REVIEWING THE AGREEMENT FOR  THE $0.5 GAS TAX AND THE GAS  TAX. I NOTICED THAT THEY WERE  USING THE OFFICIAL APRIL 2022  POPULATION FIGURE SO I SENT A  MEMO TO STAFF ASKING WHY THEY  WERE WAITING THEY WERE USING.  22 INSTEAD OF 23. THEY  CONFIRMED THAT THE ACTUAL 23  POPULATION FIGURES WERE USED  BUT THE DOCUMENT NEEDED TO  CORRECTED. IT'S MY  UNDERSTANDING THAT STAFF  RECEIVED THOSE CORRECTED  DOCUMENTS IF WE. CONFIRMATION  OKAY, AND I WASN'T TOO SURE  BECAUSE WE APPROVE CONSENT  AGENDA AS PRESENTED KNOWING  THAT THAT CHANGE HAD TO BE  MADE I DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE  LEAVING IT ON CONSENT TO JUST  MAKE A SEPARATE. MOTION.  THAT'S THE REASON WHY HOLD.  OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING THAT. ANYTHING  ELSE. OKAY. THANK  >> JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT ON  THE CONSENT AGENDA THERE WAS  SOME ITEMS I FEEL THAT DON'T  BELONG AS PART OF THE CONSENT  AGENDA, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A  VERY HOT TOPIC. LIKE WHAT WAS  ON MAY 28 BY STICKING THE  SPRING HAVEN DRIVE EXTENSION  UNDER A CONSENT AGENDA.  >> I DON'T FEEL MAYBE OTHERS  AS WELL THAT CERTAIN HOT  TOPICS SUCH AS THAT THAT YOU  HAVE KNOWN. THAT MAJOR CONCERN  AND A TALKING POINT WITHIN THE  COMMUNITY DON'T BELONG ON THE  CONSENT AGENDA. THEY BELONG ON  A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM.  >> REGARDING THE CASH RECEIPTS  SUMMARY FOR APRIL 2024.  >> SO I'M STILL LOOKING AT THE  TREE FUND CLOSE TO 5 MILLION  RIGHT NOW. ACCORDING TO THIS  THIS SUMMARY REPORT. AND I'M  JUST WONDERING WHEN ARE WE  GOING TO ACTUALLY START USING  SOME OF THAT MONEY ROBIN I  DON'T TOO BUT THIS IS 24 TO 0,  6, 6, 6, SUBMIT YOUR COMMENT  CARDS FOR THAT'S  >> AND THE LOCAL AGREEMENT  STARTING TO GET THAT'S ALL  RIGHT ALL RIGHT ANYTHING ELSE.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION FOR THOSE 2 ITEMS  MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT MAKE  A MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE  AMENDED AGREEMENTS REFLECTING  APRIL 2023 POPULATION  ESTIMATES PROVIDED BY BIEBER.  >> FOR THE DISTRIBUTION  FORMULA FOR ALLOCATIONS OF THE  REVENUES FROM THE I'VE SENT  AND $0.6 LOCAL ACTION FUEL TAX  AGREEMENTS.  >> AMONG SARASOTA COUNTY AND  ALL AND SORRY, BUT IF YOU  WOULD NEED ONE MOTION FOR EACH  ITEM SINCE ARE 2 SEPARATE  ITEMS. WELL TRYING SIMPLIFY  THERE'S THE MOTION SOUND OK,  YES, OK SO SEPARATED OUT.  >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE  THE AMENDED AGREEMENT  REFLECTING APRIL 2023  POPULATION ESTIMATES PROVIDED  BY BEAVER FOR THE DISTRIBUTION  FORMULA FOR ALLOCATIONS OF THE  REVENUES FOR THE $0.5 LOCAL  OPTION FUEL TAX. SARASOTA  COUNTY AND THE MUNICIPALITIES  WITHIN SARASOTA COUNTY.  >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION MADE  BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND  I'M GOING TO HAVE WHEN ASKED  TO HAVE THAT RED BACK BUT THIS  IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA JUST  WANT CLARIFY THAT THAT'S WHAT  VOTING ON NOW AND SECONDED BY  VICE MAYOR COULD WE READ THAT  BACK.  >> TO APPROVE THE INNER LOCAL  AGREEMENT AS AMENDED CHANGING  THE DATE OF THE POPULATION  ESTIMATES FROM 2022 TO  TWENTY-TWENTY GREAT. PROVIDING  THE DISTRIBUTION FORMULA FOR  ALLOCATION OF REVENUE FROM  LOCAL OPTION. FUEL TAX LEVY  PURSUANT TO SECTION 3, 3, 6.0  2, 5, 1, FLORIDA STATUTES A  MONTH SARASOTA MUNICIPALITIES  WITHIN SARASOTA COUNTY FOR THE  $0.5 LOCAL OPTION, GAS TANK.  >> THANK YOU NOT QUITE WHAT I  SAID, BUT IT GETS US ALL RIGHT  ANYTHING ELSE.  >> A PLACE. THANKS MATT.  >> YES, THEY ARE THE YES  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES,  MCDOWELL, YES, COMMISSIONER,  EMRICH COMMISSIONER RIDGE ALL  RIGHT SO THAT PASSES 5, 0  MOVING ON TO ITEM B. I MAKE A  MOTION.  >> TO APPROVE THE AMENDED AND  I'M GOING TO SAY IT THE SAME  WAY WORK. I'M GOING MAKE A  MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED  AGREEMENT REFLECTING APRIL  2023 POPULATION ESTIMATES  PROVIDED BY BIEBER.  >> FOR THE DISTRIBUTION  FORMULA FOR ALLOCATIONS OF THE  $0.6 LOCAL OPTION FUEL TAX  AMONG SARASOTA COUNTY AND  MUNICIPALITY SECOND.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON FOR ITEM TO BE ON THE  CONSENT AGENDA AGENDA.  >> CLERK DID YOU THAT ONE BACK  TO BE SURE WE HAVE IT.  >> TO PROVE THE INNER LOCAL  AGREEMENT AS AMENDED CHANGING  THE POPULATION ESTIMATE DATES  FROM 2022 TO TWENTY-TWENTY  RATE. REGARDING DISTRIBUTION  FORMULA FOR ALLOCATION OF  REVENUE FROM LOCAL OPTION FUEL  TAX LEVY PURSUANT TO SECTION  3, 3, 6.0 2, 5, 1, A FLORIDA  AND SARASOTA COUNTY  MUNICIPALITIES WITHIN SARASOTA  COUNTY FOR THE $0.6 LOCAL  OPTION GAS TAX.  >> IF NOTHING ELSE WILL DO A  VOICE VOTE ON THAT VICE MAYOR.  >> THIS MAKES MAYORS A YES  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES,  COMMISSIONER ELRICH. YES ALL  RIGHT SO THAT PASSES BY TO SEE  BACK CONSENT AGENDA FRONT  MOVING ON TO PUBLIC. PETITIONS  ITEM C L F DASH 3, DASH ONE  80.  >> THIS IS A PAUSE A JUDICIAL  HEARING AND I'M GOING ON THE  CITY CLERK TO READ THE  PETITION TITLE AND SWEAR  PROVIDE TESTIMONY.  >> CONSIDERATION PETITION P L  F DASH 23 DASH 1, 8, 5, REPLY  TRACK F SECOND EDITION TO  NORTH PORT CHARLOTTE, THE  STATE'S CANCELAR ACRES CAN  EVERYONE WISHING TO PROVIDE  TESTIMONY PLEASE STAND AND  RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. WHERE  AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY  YOU'RE ABOUT TO PROVIDE IS  TRUE AND ACCURATE TEST YOUR  KNOWLEDGE TALK ABOUT. ALL  RIGHT.  >> ALRIGHT NEXT MOVING TO  PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS  ITEM COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> NOW COMMISSIONER LANGDON 9.  I DO HAVE  >> I BELIEVE I KNOW ON THIS ON  1/5/2023 I MET WITH SOMEBODY  ABOUT THIS. THAT OUT THERE.  FROM COMMISSIONER EMRICH YES  FOR A COMPLETE EXPERT, A  DISCLOSURE WE NEED I CAN IF  THE PERSON I THINK IT THIS AND  ROOM AND SO THE PERSON YOU MET  WITH IN THE SUBSTANCE OF THE  DISCUSSIONS, I HAVE DOWN HERE.  TIM POLLENS PLANNER AND MISTER  >> AND THIS WAS ABOUT THE.  SUBDIVIDING IT. THIS TRACK OUT  INTO. ACRE PARCELS. SPENT OF  MY NOTES. YOU OKAY. JUST HAVE  TO TAKE NEXT FOR THAT. ALL  RIGHT TO COMPLETE ANY OTHER EX  THAT THE TREMORS THAT HE'S  SAYING OH YES, HE DID.  >> I HAVE NONE OKAY THANK YOU.  >> MOVING ON TO ITEM 4 DO WE  HAVE ANY AGGRIEVED PARTIES. SO  NOW WE'RE MOVING TO  PRESENTATIONS BY THE APPLICANT  FIRST. WE'VE HAVE 20 MINUTES.  GOOD MORNING.  >> FOR THE RECORD MY NAME TIM  AROUND A 3RD OF VIEWING HAVE  BEEN SWORN. WE'RE HERE TODAY  REQUESTING APPROVAL, HAVE 23  DASH ONE 85 AT 3 PLATT.  ATTRACTIVE THE SECOND EDITION  TO THE NORTH PORT CHARLOTTE,  THE STATE'S. AGAIN THIS IS  JUST A FOR AN AGRICULTURAL HIS  OWN PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY 55  ACRES. PLAN TO GET INTO 18. 3  PLUS OR MINUS ACRE PARCELS.  THE PLAN HAS REVIEWED BY CITY  STAFF BEEN DETERMINED TO BE  COMPLIANT WITH THE ULDC. AND  THE CITY SERVING CONSULTANT  REVIEWED THE TO BE CONSISTENT  WITH CHAPTER. ONE 77 OF THE  FLORIDA STATE STATUTES. AND WE  RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR  APPROVAL TODAY. IF YOU HAVE  ANY QUESTIONS WE'LL BE GLAD TO  ANSWER THOSE THIS TIME.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU STEPH.  GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS FOR  THE RECORD SHERRY WILL GRANT  AND PLANNING AND ZONING  DIVISION I HAVE BEEN SWORN AS  STATED ON THE RECORD THIS IS A  RE PLAT OF TRACKED THE SECOND  EDITION.  >> TO THE NORTH PORT ESTATES  ALSO KNOWN AS CANCER ACRES.  >> APPLICANT HERE IS JACKSON  BOONE ESQUIRE OF BOOM IN BOONE  PA, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RUN  OVER HOMES LLC AND AS STATED  THE REQUEST IS A CONSIDERATION  OF TRACKED ADDITION TO NORTH  PORT, CHARLOTTE ESTATES REPLY  AT.  >> THE LOCATION.  >> IS NORTH OF AN ADJACENT TO  CANCER AVENUE AND WEST AND  ADJACENT TO NORTH CHAMBERLAIN  BOULEVARD.  >> HERE'S AN AERIAL PROVIDING  THE LOCATION AND THE  CORRELATING STREETS. THE  PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED  AGRICULTURAL WITH THE FUTURE  LAND USE OF AGRICULTURAL  STATES. THE REPLY OF THE A A  STATE STATE PREVIOUSLY IS IN  THE NORTH PORT, CHARLOTTE  ESTATES THE PURPOSE OF THE  REPLY IS TO CREATE A TEEN LOTS  CONTAINING A MINIMUM. A 3.0 0,  7, ACRES AND UP TO A MAXIMUM  OF 3 POINT. 3, 5, 9, ACRES.  THE TOTAL AREA COMPRISES OF  54.9 8 ACRES. THIS IS THE  PROPOSED FINAL PLAT WHERE YOU  CAN SEE THE CONFIGURATIONS.  ALL OF THE EASEMENTS ARE IN  PLACE THAT ARE NECESSARY. THIS  HAS BEEN BY THE CITY SURVEYOR.  >> AND I WANT TO DO THAT A  LITTLE BIT CHAPTER 37 THE  SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS ARE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  HAS PROVISIONS ON HOW LANDS  ARE SUBDIVIDED WHERE THERE ARE  3 OR MORE CONTIGUOUS LOTS. THE  PURPOSE OF TRANSFER OWNERSHIP  OR BUILDING IN DEVELOPMENT OR  IF A NEW STREET IS INVOLVED.  IT IS DEEMED A SUBDIVISION HAS  TO FOLLOW THE STANDARDS THAT  ARE IN THE ULDC WHICH IS  SUBDIVISION INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN. DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN  SUBDIVISION INFRASTRUCTURE  PLAN AND THEN THE PLAT  HOWEVER, THERE'S A SECTION 37  DASH 5 A ONE WHICH PROVIDES A  DIVISION FOR OF LAND FOR  AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES IN TO  WATCH FOR PARCELS 3 ACRES.  MORE AND NOT INVOLVING IN NEW  STREET SHALL NOT BE DEEMED A  SUBDIVISION. AND THAT IS THAT  INSTANCE HERE. SO WHEN THE  SUBDIVISION IS LAND THEY HAVE  OWNER HAS TO APPLY FOR AN  APPLICATION  >> WANT TO GET TO  >> COMPLIANCE  >> EVEN FIND MIND OF TOO. IT  HAS BEEN TRYING WORK WITH MY  CARS.  >> IF LAND IS DEEMED FOR BONA  FIDE AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES AS  STATED IN THE CODE AND IT  WOULD NEED THAT EXEMPTION THAT  IT IS NOT A SUBDIVISION. THE  PLATINUM EDITION WAS A REVIEW  BY THE CONTRACTED CITY  SURVEYOR IN ACCORDANCE WITH  THE FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER  1, 7, 7, THE PLATT WAS  REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH  THE ULDC WITH THE SECTIONS 37  DASH 5.37 DASH 6.37 DASH 7.37  DASH 8. SO HAS PREVIOUSLY  STATED THE DIVISIONAL LAND FOR  AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES UNTIL  LOTS ARE PARCELS OF 3 OR MORE  ACRES AND NOT INVOLVING  INDUSTRY IS NOT DEEMED A  SUBDIVISION A DIVISION OF LAND  FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES IS  NOT DETERMINED BY THE ZONING  DISTRICT CULTURE, USE OF THE  LAND ON A FIGHT AQUACULTURE  USE IS A GOOD FAITH COMMERCIAL  OR DOMESTIC AGRICULTURAL USE  THE LAND. THE DOCUMENTS  PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT MET  THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BONA FIDE  AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES, AND  IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A  SUBDIVISION AS PART OF YOUR  STAFF REPORT THERE IS THERE  WAS EXHIBIT THAT IS A  MEMORANDUM FROM THE DIRECTOR  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES  CONCERNING THIS. THE APPLICANT  HAS PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT  THE USE IS AN AGRICULTURAL  USE. AND THE DIRECTOR HAS  DETERMINED IT MEETS THAT  REQUIREMENT AS STATED IN THE  STAFF REPORT. THE CURRENT USE  IS AN AP ARIE WHICH IS BE  KEEPING. THE PLANNING AND  ZONING DIVISION RECOMMENDS  APPROVAL PETITION NUMBER P L A  23 DASH 1, 8, 5 CANCER ACRES  REPLY TRACKED AT SECOND  ADDITION TO THE NORTH.  CHARLOTTE IS STATES. WE'RE  HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THANK  YOU. THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO  APPLICANTS. WE HAVE NO  REBUTTAL AT THIS TIME, THANK  YOU THANK YOU FOR STATING THAT  STAFF REBUTTAL STAFF HAS  REBUTTAL. THANK YOU ALL RIGHT  AND AGAIN WE HAVE NO GREAT  PARTIES SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO  PUBLIC. COMMENT HAS NOT. ALL  RIGHT COMMISSIONER. QUESTIONS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> SO MY MY QUESTION WAS GOING  TO BE WHAT IS THE BONAFIDE  AGRICULTURAL USE. AND YOU SAID  SOMETHING ABOUT.  >> YOU KEEP  >> THE KEEPING HIS  AGRICULTURAL USE WHICH IS  PERMITTED IN THE AGRICULTURAL  ESTATES THE APPLICANT INC A  SUPPORTING DOCUMENT  DOCUMENTATION. PROVIDED THE  CERTIFICATION BY THE U.S.  DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURAL  AGRICULTURE EXCUSE ME THAT  THEY ARE BONA FIDE A PIERRE A  AS WELL AS SUPPORTING  DOCUMENTS THIS HAS BEEN  REVIEWED BY THE DIRECTOR OF  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BASED ON  THE MEMORANDUM CRITERIA IN  YOUR PACKET IT'S DEEMED THAT  IT IS A BONA FIDE AGRICULTURAL  USE.  >> 18 INDIVIDUAL PLAT ARE  GOING EACH HAVE DIFFERENT BE  KEEPING EYE WILL HAVE THE  APPLICANT ANSWER TOOK PLACE.  >> A GOOD MORNING FOR THE  RECORD JACKSON TURNING WITH  THE LAW FIRM AGENT FOR THE  APPLICANT HERE ALSO WITNESSED  AROUND. SO THEY'RE THE AP  AREAS OVER THE ENTIRE ENTIRETY  OF THE PROPERTY AND NOT ONLY  IS AS SHARON MENTIONED AS FAR  REGISTRATIONS ALSO OFFICIALLY  REGISTERED WITH STATE. SO IT'S  OVER THE ENTIRE ENTIRETY OF  THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW THAT  OPERATION DOES NOT CHANGE  WHETHER IS DIVIDED AND 18 LOSS  OR NOT. SO THERE'S  MODIFICATION OF THAT OPERATION  WITH THE DIVIDING OF THE  PROPERTY INTO THE 18 LOTS  WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE  AGRICULTURAL  >> HELP ME UNDERSTAND. IF  YOU'VE ALREADY GOT ON THE 18  ACRES.  >> AND IT'S ALREADY OKAYED BY  THE STATE AND BEEKEEPING MITT  USE FOR AGRICULTURAL BONAFIDE  USES.  >> WATCH THE PURPOSE OF  SUBDIVIDING IT INTO PUTTING  HOUSES AND THEN THOSE EACH  UNIT,  >> THE PURPOSE OF SUBDIVIDING  THE 18 ACRES, THE PROPERTY  OWNER HAS THE RIGHT TO APPLY  FOR A PLATTE CONSISTENT WITH  THE ULDC STATES STATUTES. IT'S  BEEN REVIEWED STAFF FOR  CONSISTENCY WITH THE ULDC AND  IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY  SURVEYOR CONSULTANT FOR  CONSISTENCY THAT CHAPTER, ONE  77. SO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO  APPLY FOR IT AND THAT'S WHAT  WE HAVE YOU ALL RESPECTFULLY  REQUEST, YOU.  >> OKAY, AND I HEAR WHAT  YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IS THIS THE  END GAME TO BE ABLE TO PUT 18.  ON THE TEEN PARCEL. THE  PROPERTY OWNER.  >> WITH THE AGRICULTURAL  ZONING IN PLACE NO CHANGE TO  AND IT HAS THE ABILITY TO  APPLY TO ANYTHING ANYTHING  THAT'S GOING USE UNDER THE  AGRICULTURAL SIDE. SO I CAN'T  PREDICT THE FUTURE. BUT I  WOULD SAY AS LONG AS THE  AGRICULTURAL ZONING IS IN  PLACE THEY WERE ABLE TO PURSUE  ANY PERMITTED USE HAS PROVIDED  OKAY SO.  >> ONCE YOU REPLY AT THESE  PARCELS. MY UNDERSTANDING FOR  CITY WATER CITY SEWER. THE  REASON THE PARCELS AS PRE  PLATTED ARE EXEMPT FROM  REQUIRING CITY WATER CITY  SEWER. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO  READ AT THEM AND 18  INDIVIDUALS WATER AND SEWER IS  ONE NOT AVAILABLE OUT THERE IN  2. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET  AROUND REQUIRING THE SEPTIC  AND. NOT HAVING THE CITY WATER  AND CITY SEWER REQUIREMENT BY  STATE.  >> FIRST OF ALL THE COMP PLAN  THAT YOU HAVE SAYS CENTRAL  UTILITY SERVICES SHOULD NOT  PROVIDED TO THE STATES WHERE  THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED SO AS  FAR AS ANY CONFUSION OVER  CENTRAL SERVICE BEING PROVIDED  TO THAT PROPERTY ITS CARS ON  THANKFULLY WE'RE HERE JUST  ASKING FOR A SUBDIVISION OF  THE LAND. THERE IS NO UTILITY  INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S PROPOSED  AND THUS TO DIVISION YOU DON'T  DC. IN TOP FOR NOW OK.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR.  >> CLARITY AND I THINK THIS IS  FROM THE SHERRY AND BY THE WAY  IT'S GREAT TO SEE HERE GIVEN  THAT THIS PROPERTY'S DEAN TO  NOT SUBDIVISION WE SHOULD  ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO  COMMISSION AGAIN AS THE PLAN'S  ROLLOUT STAFF HIS CURRENT  OKAY. THIS IS PRETTY SOGGY  TERRITORY. AND THAT ABUTS THE  COSMIC WATERWAY. YOU  ANTICIPATE, AND I KNOW IT'S  VET WITH TALKING SUBDIVISION  WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF THE  DEVELOPMENT CAME HERE. WOULD  YOU ANTICIPATE THAT SHOULD  HOUSES GO INTO THESE  SUBDIVIDED LOTS AND THE FUTURE  THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE SPECIAL  MITIGATION QUESTION NUMBER ONE  QUESTION NUMBER 2 ENHANCED  SEPTIC.  >> THEY DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER  TO THAT THAT QUESTION  REGARDING SEPTIC THAT IS  REGULATED BY THE HEALTH  DEPARTMENT SO IF AND AT THE  TIME IF THEY DID BRING HOMES  IN THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO MEET  ALL OF THAT CRITERIA. SETBACKS  CETERA MAKING WOULD BE WITH  ANY. TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THERE  HAS TO BE. YOU KNOW WITH SO WE  HAVE TO HEALTH DEPARTMENT  AYERS.  >> I'M JUST JUST A A COMMENT.  I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WELL  WITHIN THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS  SUBDIVIDE. WHAT I SEE IN THE  FUTURE THERE ARE 18 VERY  UNHAPPY. AND THAT'S WHEN THE  PROPERTY FLOOD. SO WE ARE. HAD  A  >> YES, GOOD TO SEE IT MS.  WILL THANK YOU TO YOU KNOW,  WOW. THESE.  >> 3 ACRE.  >> DIVISION DIVIDED FLATS THEY  USE WHAT. JUST HAVEN'T MET THE  USE NOW, BUT I'M KIND OF THE  HOUSE AND SENATE DIFFERENT  WANT TO REPORT IT OUT THERE.  WE ALREADY HAVE 3, 5, ACRE.  PARCELLS CARE ON SEPTIC. THERE  WHAT IF. IF SOMEBODY DECIDED  HE CAME FORWARD THAT WE'RE  GOING TO PUT ON MONTH BUT  HOUSE ON ONE OF THEM, ANYTHING  HAVE TO BE DIFFERENT THAN  WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.  >> IT WOULD HAVE TO THE CODE  REQUIREMENTS FOR IF THEY  DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE HOUSE  WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE 20% LOT  COVERAGE. AND I JUST WANT TO  BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT THERE  ARE NO ULDC OR STATE  REQUIREMENTS FOR ENHANCED  SEPTIC IN THIS AREA OF THE  CITY SO WHATEVER USE THAT THEY  DECIDE TO DO. IT IS  AGRICULTURE LEE COULD PUT  FORCES ON THERE WITH THE BARN.  WE DON'T KNOW AS THE APPLICANT  STATED THEY DON'T KNOW AT THIS  TIME. BUT IT DOES MEET THE  MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS  AND THE BONA FIDE AGRICULTURAL  USE OKAY. THANKS FOR THAT.  >> OUR PATIENT, I JUST WANT TO  PUT OUT ARE REALLY FAMILIAR  WITH THIS. IT'S PROPERTY 20  YEARS AGO, I PUT THIS IN AS  THAT PRESIDENT FOR. THE  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND  PROGRAM AND THAT COUNTY TOO  CONSIDER THIS AND I THINK THAT  THE COMMISSION THIS WAS  HONORED ESPECIALLY AS WELL.  WHAT WE I'M HEARING THAT THIS  IS IN A FLOOD ZONE. THAT IS  THAT. IS THAT WASN'T AWARE IT  ISN'T WHAT I MEANT IS BECAUSE  THE WIND A I IT WAS A PINE  FLATWOODS AREA WHICH.  >> IS NOT USING YES, IT THE  FLOOD ZONE STATED ON THE IN  THE FLOOD ZONE X. 100 YEAR  FLOOD PLAIN ALL THAT  INFORMATION IS PROVIDED IN THE  PLAN THIS IS HOW TREAT WITH I  IT'S HEAVILY TREE THAT HAS  PINES ALL MEN DO.  >> FOR  >> THE YEAR AGAIN JACKSON IN  FOR THE RECORD FOR THE AERIAL  THERE ARE DECENT AMOUNT OF ON  THE PROPERTY. I BECAUSE IT  HASN'T IT'S BROUGHT IN AND THE  NORTH PORT CHARLOTTE STATES  SECOND EDITION THAT THE  PROPERTY HAS BEEN TRACKING  SINCE IT WAS  >> BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S WHY I  SUBMIT MY OWN PERSONAL  APPLICATION FOR THIS BECAUSE  IT WAS BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLE, I'M  FLAT WOODS WHICH TYPICALLY HE  DID HIGHER AND DRIER TOO. THIS  GET TO A SURPRISE NOR STARTED  HEARING A 10 FOOT.  >> BECAUSE IT IS HEAVILY SO  THINK AGAIN TURN AROUND A 3RD  OF RIGHT JUST FOR  CLARIFICATION NEXT 500 OKAY,  THANK YOU. THAT'S IT COMEY  VICE MAYOR. I WOULD JUST. WE  31 SAID. SIR REQUEST FOR A  SIMPLE COMPLIANT. THERE'S  REALLY NO LEGAL BASIS ON WHICH  TO DENY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT,  WHATEVER THAT MAY BE WILL COME  BEFORE OR NOT COME BEFORE US  BASED ON THE WALL JUST SEEMS  LIKE DISCUSSION SISTO WHAT  MIGHT BE DON'T SEEM ABLE TO  WHAT'S BEFORE US HERE SO.  SIMPLE REPLY.  >> THANK YOU. VICE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YES, IT  IS A SIMPLE REPLATTING IT IS  ALLOWED BY BY STATE LAW. I.  >> BELIEVE IT'S WELL WITHIN  OUR RIGHTS TO ASK THESE  QUESTIONS BECAUSE WHILE THEY  INTEND TO USE IT FOR  BEEKEEPING WHICH THEY HAVE HAD  ON THIS PROPERTY FOR I DON'T  KNOW HOWEVER LONG. THERE  SOMETHING MORE BEING PLANNED  FOR US THEY WOULD HAVE JUST  KEPT TO BE KEEPING ON THAT  FULL 56 SO THERE IS BIGGER  PLANS AND I FEEL THAT IT IS  WELL WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO ASK  THESE QUESTIONS SO WITH ALL  THAT SAID. CAN'T DO ANYTHING  TO STOP IT. I SURE HOPE THAT  WHEN YOU GUYS COME FORWARD AND  APPLY FOR PUTTING A HOUSE OR  WHATEVER'S COMING IN THE  FUTURE AND MY CRYSTAL BALL IS  CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT'S THE  INTENT OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING  HERE. THAT STAFF A VERY CLOSE  ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT  HAPPENING DOES WANT TO  DISAPPOINTING AND ALSO THE  AGRICULTURAL YOU STAYS WITH  THE LAND THAT IT IS INTENDED  THANK YOU.  >> WITH IF I IN JACKSON FOR  THE RECORD. I COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, YOUR CORRECT YOU  HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ASK ANY  QUESTION YOU DEEM THAT'S A  DOUBLE TO MATTER IN FRONT OF  YOU AND I ANTICIPATED A THIS  LINE OF QUESTIONING AS FAR AS  WHAT POTENTIAL FUTURE USES ON  THE PROPERTY COULD BE ANYTHING  THAT REQUIRES COMMENT FROM THE  CITY HAS TO BE APPLIED STAFF.  SO THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED US  TO FOCUS ON THE REQUEST TODAY.  IT'S NOT ABOUT FEW AND AGAIN.  PIERRE OPERATIONS, NOT BEING  MODIFIED ALL THAT WHAT YOU DO  TODAY. IT YOUR YOUR YOU WERE  ACTION TODAY. TOMORROW NOT  MODIFYING PERRY'S SO. IT'S  SIMPLE REPLATTING QUEST FOR  YOU ALL, AND WE WOULD  RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR  APPROVAL.  >> THANK YOU I DON'T SEE OTHER  QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS  SO WE'RE MOVING TO CLOSING  ARGUMENTS WE HAVE NO GREAT  PARTIES STAFF AND IN CLOSING  ARGUMENT EXCUSE ME MA'AM, I'M  SORRY WANT TO CHECK TO MAKE  SURE COMMISSIONER EMERGED  DIDN'T HAVE SINCE HE HAS CURE  BUT YOU WOULD.  >> EVEN CHINA COMMISSIONER  ELRICH.  >> NO NO QUESTIONS.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL  RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY CLOSING  ARGUMENTS BY. STAFF. STAFF HAS  90 MINUTES. THANK YOU THANK  YOU APPLICANT.  >> NO NO MA'AM I WOULD SAY  NICE TO SEE YOU COMMISSIONER  I'M I HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL  AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING  YOU IN PERSON WHEN YOU CAN  MAKE IT BACK.  >> ALL RIGHT IF THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE I CLOSE PORTION  OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I  REQUEST FOR MOTION ALL MAKE  >> MOVE TO APPROVE FREE SECOND  ADDITION TO THE NORTH PORT  CHARLOTTE STATES. COUNCILOR  ACRES PETITION NUMBER P O F 23  DASH ONE 85 AND FIND THAT  BASED ON THE COMPETENT  SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT PLAN  IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION. ONE 7781 THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  AND THEN NORTH WORK  COMPREHENSION.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR TO APPROVE  REPLIED OF SECTION SECOND  EDITION TO NORTH PORT  CHARLOTTE ESTATE AND ACRES  PETITION NUMBER PL OF DASH 23  DASH ONE 85. AND FIND THAT  BASED ON THE COMPETENT AND  SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THAT  IS CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION. 1, 7, 7, 0,  8, 1, THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PORT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANDON.  >> IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE  WILL DO A VOICE.  >> US THERE'S COMMISSIONER  LANGDON ZS GOING YES. AND  COMMISSIONER EMRICH. YES.  >> OKAY SO THAT PASSED FINE.  >> 2, 0, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.  THAT MOVING ON TO. ITEM  >> SEE CPL UP 23 DASH 2, 5, 6,  THIS AGAIN IS A JUDICIAL  HEARING AND EYE ON THE CITY  CLERK TO READ THIS BY TITLE  AND SWEAR IN THOSE. WHICH AIM  TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY.  >> CONSIDERATION OF PETITION P  L F DASH 23 DASH 2, 5, 6,  SUNSHINE VILLAGE F 3 WELL, IM  PARK FINAL PLAT CAN EVERYONE  WISHING TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY  PLEASE STAND RAISE YOUR RIGHT  HAND. YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT  THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO  PROVIDE CHEW AND ACCURATE TO  THE BEST YEAR DOLLARS. ALL  THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO BE  CALLING FOR DISCLOSURE EX  PARTE COMMUNICATIONS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  COMMISSIONER LANGDON I HAVE  NONE. I HAVE NONE. ITS MAYOR  IS NOT COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> I HAVE NONE.  >> OK THANK YOU. CITY CLERK DO  WE HAVE ANY AGGRIEVED PARTIES.  NOT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE  TO PRESENTATIONS BY THE  APPLICANT IS FIRST YOU HAVE 20  MINUTES.  >> THANK YOU MORNING AND GOOD  MORNING CHRIS FISCHER  CLEARVIEW AND DESIGN 3010 WAS  TO STEAL STREET SUITE, ONE 50  TEMP 4, 3, 3, 6, 1, 1, I HAVE  BEEN SWORN, 40'S TODAY. WE  HAVE THE SUN STONE VILLAGE.  WELL IN PART 3 FINAL I'M HOMES  IS THE APPLICANT. THIS IS  LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF  WEST VILLAGES PARKWAY JUST  NORTH OF MANASOTA BEACH  PARKWAY WITHIN WELLEN PARK.  IT'S ABOUT A 125 ACRES THERE'S  206 SLOTS FOR THIS. A  PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION AND THE  PLOT WAS FOUND TO BE IN  COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER ONE  THANK YOU.  >> PRESENTATION BY STAFF.  >> WARNING THAT THE MEMBERS  CITY. MISSION. I FORCE WITH  THE STAFF AND HAVE BEEN SWORN.  STATED THIS IS MISSION NUMBER  LEFT 23 TO 5, 6, SUNSTONE  VILLAGE WELL IN PART F 3  FUNNEL PLATT. GOOD NEWS, ME  TAMPA SARASOTA PROPERTY OWNER  4TH QUARTER PROPERTIES. STAY  THE THIS IS THE CONSIDERATION  OF FUNNEL PLOT FOR STONE STONE  VILLAGE WHILE THE PARK F 3  PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON  SOUTHWEST SIDE OF WEST.  PARKWAY TO THE NORTH OF  MINNESOTA BEACH ROAD. SOUTH OF  WYMORE ROAD. THAT'S ACTUALLY  AN AIR OF THE THERE ARE 2, 6,  POSTING THE FAMILY WANTS. AND  125 ACRES OF PROPERTY. IT HAS  BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THE  SUBDIVISION CONCEPT PLAN AND  INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS. THIS IS  A LAYOUT OF THE FINAL PLAN.  THAT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED  BY STATE WANTS CONTRACTED CITY  SURVEYOR WORKING FOR MONTHS  WITH FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER  ONE SAME 7 FOR ONE. CITY STAFF  ALSO REVIEWED FUN APPLY FOR  CONFORMANCE WITH A CHAPTER 37  SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS OF THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.  REVIEW THE APPLICATION  DETERMINE FORMS TO FLORIDA  STATUTES. AS BUT THE STANDARDS  OF REVIEW AS SET FORTH IN THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  AND IT'S NOT CONFLICT WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. STAFF IS  RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE  PROPOSED PLAN.  >> ALL RIGHT AND THANK ALL  RIGHT MOVING ON TO. WE HAVE NO  GREEN PARTY'S MOVING ONTO  REBUTTALS. APPLICANT. REBELS.  THANK YOU SENDING THAT STAFF.  NO MAN. ALL RIGHT SO WE'RE  MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.  THERE IS NO PUBLIC MOVING ON  TO COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS.  >> WE SURE MUCH DID YOU HAVE  ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.  >> NO MA'AM.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  >> I'M SEEING ON THE SCREEN SO  WE'RE MOVING TO CLOSING  ARGUMENT SNOW PARTY'S STAFF  ANY CLOSING ARGUMENT. KNOW  APPLICANT ANY CLOSING  ARGUMENT, IT WAS A BRIGHT.  SOME VOTING THIS PUBLIC  HEARING AND I'M LOOKING FOR  EMOTIONAL. AHEAD, VICE MAYOR.  >> I MOVE TO APPROVE SUNSTONE  VILLAGE F 3 WELL IN OUR FINAL  PLAT TO SHUN MEMBER PL F 23  DASH 2.56 FIND THAT BASED ON  THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL  EVIDENCE THE PLAN IS  CONSISTENT. THE FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION ONE WAITING  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT PORT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT CAN.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR TO APPROVE  SUNSTONE VILLAGE 3 WELL AND  FINAL PLAT PETITION NUMBER P L  F 23 DASH 2, 5, 6, AND FIND  THAT BASED ON THE COMPETENT  AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE BUT  CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA  STATUTES SECTION 1, 7, 7, 0,  8, 1, THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE PORT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER  DISCUSSION ON THIS. I'M GOING  FOR A VOTE VICE MAYOR SPEARS  THEY ARE ZS COMMISSIONER  LANGDON COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  YES ALL RIGHT SO THAT MOTION.  AND PASSES 5 TO 0. LIVING ON 2  RESOLUTIONS. A RESOLUTION  NUMBER 2024 DASH R DASH 20  CITY CLERK, AND YOU READ THIS  BY TITLE ONLY RESOLUTION  NUMBER 2024 DASH R DASH 20  RESOLUTION OF THE CITY  COMMISSION OF THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA.  >> ACCEPTING A NON-EXCLUSIVE  EXCLUSIVE ACCESS UTILITY  EASEMENT ON PORTIONS OF  PROPERTY LINE AND SECTIONS,  1213 TOWNSHIP 39 SOUTH RANGE  21 EAST SARASOTA COUNTY  FLORIDA AND BEARING SARASOTA  COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER  PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBER  0, 9, 6, 0, 1, 3, 0, 5, 1, 0,  THERE ARE 9, 6, 0, 1, 3, 0, 5,  1, 5, AND 0, 9, 6, 1, 1, 4, 0,  4, 8, 0, PROVIDING FOR A  CORPORATION RECITALS PROVIDING  FOR FILING OF DOCUMENTS  PROVIDING FOR COMPLEX  PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND  PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.  >> THANK YOU CITY CLERK THAT  IS A MOUTHFUL FOR CITY  MANAGER. THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.  >> DO NEED TO SEE IN FLORIDA.  FL FLORIDA INCORPORATED THE  OWNERS OF THE PART OF  DISCUSSION. IT IS OUR GREAT  CITY OF NEW OR IN AN EXCLUSIVE  ACCESS AND UTILITY EASEMENT  THE INSTALLATION MAINTENANCE  REPAIR AND USE OF WATER MAIN  WAY TO THE CITY'S INSTALLED ON  THE PROPERTY. HE'S BEEN IS  NECESSARY NOW. SO THAT THE  WATER INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN  INSTALLED IT WILL BE DEDICATED  TO THE CITY OF NORTH PORT FOR  FUTURE. 2 FROM A CONTINUES.  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024  NATIONAL OR 20 HAS BEEN  REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY  IS LEGALLY CORRECT. WE HAVE TO  IT IS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY  HAVE. THANK THANK YOU.  >> SO LOOKING FOR COMMISSIONER  QUESTIONS ON THIS. I'M NOT  SEEING ANY MUCH DID YOU HAVE  ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS.  >> NO MA'AM.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK PUBLIC  COMMENT. SOME CLOTHING IS  PUBLIC HEARING AND I'M LOOKING  FOR A MAKE A MOTION MAYOR  AHEAD I MOVE TO ADOPT  RESOLUTION NUMBER DASH R DASH  20 AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT, WE  HAVE A MOTION MADE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON TO ADOPT  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH R  DASH 20 AS PRESENTED AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE.  WE WILL LATE BOYCE VOTE. VICE  MAYOR, A SPIRIT, MAYOR ZS  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES,  MCDOLE YES, COMMISSIONER AND  RICH. YES. ALL RIGHT AND THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0. MOVING ON TO  ITEM B RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024  DASH R DASH 22.  >> CITY CLERK, AND YOU READ  THIS BY TITLE ONLY RESOLUTION  NUMBER 2024 DASH R DASH 20 TO  A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY  COMMISSION OF THE CITY  IN NORTH PORT FLORIDA RENAMING  ACTIVITY CENTERS, 1, 4, 5, 6,  7, 8, AND CONFIRMING THE USE  OF EXISTING NAMES OF ACTIVITY  CENTERS TO 3, 9, FOR MARKETING  PURPOSES, WRITING LIBERATION  OF THE SITE PROVIDING FOR  COMPLEX PROVIDING FOR  SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING AN  AFFECTED DATE.  >> CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR  THEY COME IN NEAR THE SITE WAS  CONTINUE TO DEBATE WE NEED 24  MEETING BECAUSE WE'RE CUTTING  NAMES THEY CHANGED THE FUTURE  OF THE DRAFT FOR THE COP  PLAYING IN THE ULDC ACTIVITY  SERVED BY NUMBER OF POLLING.  COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY  ESTABLISHED MARKET REMAINS FOR  ACTIVITY CENTERS PENDING THE  COMPLETION OF THE COMP PLAN  ULDC RESOLUTION DIRECTS THE  CITY MANAGER IT'S USED TO  STATE MARKETING MEANINGFUL  ACTIVITIES, INDEFINITELY  ENDING THE FULL OF IT  EFFECTIVE. QUESTION. ALL  RIGHT. SO WE ARE MOVING ON TO.  QUESTION THINGS. MISSION  WITHOUT. THIS IS RELATED BUT  NOT RELATED KIND OF QUESTION.  >> SINCE THE ULDC REWRITE IS  GOING TO INSTITUTE A NEW  ACTIVITY CENTER 10. I DON'T  KNOW IF THE ACTIVITY CENTER  NAMING PROCESS WILL BE THE  SAME BACK TO SENATE AND I JUST  WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE  SO THAT WE THEN WE CAN START  YOUR IN PUBLIC MARKET TO THE  SENATE. GIVEN APPROPRIATE NAME  SO I'M I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS IS  BEING BROUGHT FORWARD AND IT  DOESN'T SUNSET THANK YOU. IT'S  BRINGING THAT UP.  >> I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER.  >> NUMBER DO YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS ABOUT NO MA'AM. ALL  RIGHT LOOKING FOR PUBLIC  COMMENT CITY CLERK. IS SO  CLOSING THIS PORTION OF THE  PUBLIC HEARING AND LOOKING FOR  A MOTION OF MAKING AHEAD.  >> I MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION  NUMBER 2, 0, 2, 4 DASH OR DASH  22  >> THAT  >> WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY  VICE MAYOR STOKES TO ADOPT  RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH R  DASH 22 AS PRESENTED AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.  LANGDON. IF THERE'S NO OTHER  DISCUSSION WE WANT VOICE VOTE  VICE MAYOR VICE MAYOR S MAYOR  THE S MISSION OR LANGDON YES,  MCDOWELL, YES, COMMISSIONER  ELRICH. YES AND THAT MOTION  PASSES 5 TO 0 ALL RIGHT. THANK  YOU.  >> EXCITING TO SEE THESE  TIMELY. DON'T KNOW RIGHT  MOVING ON TO ITEM 6 GENERAL.  >> BUSINESS A 24 DASH 0, 6, 8,  7, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION REGARDING THE SPRING  HAVEN ROADWAY EXPANSION  PROJECT. CITY MANAGER THIS IS  YOUR ITEM.  >> I THINK WE'RE IN THE SIDE  OF BACK AT THE COMMISSION  DIRECTIVE FOR COMMISSION  DISCUSSION IN THE MEMO THAT  WAS DISTRIBUTED LEAVE ON 7. WE  GAVE THE HISTORY OF HOUSE, I  WAS INCLUDED ON THE SRQ  INFORMATION WHICH CUP LEAD TO  DISCUSSION. THIS ITEM TO BE  PUT BACK ON JUNE 27 OF THE  TIME 2023 COMMISSION MEETING  MADE ON THE IN PROVIDED  INFORMATION TO SUBMIT TO THE  COUNTY RESUMING A SEARCH YOU.  PLAN CONSIDERATION NUMBER 9 IT  WAS THE SPRING PRODUCTS INC  AND TRYING TO MEETING. I MEAN  FOR THE 2020 FROM THE CITY  MANAGER'S OFFICE WAS TO THE  MAYOR'S COMMISSION ON THIS NEW  GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE  MONTH OF FEBRUARY WHICH  INCLUDED SPRING HAVEN  EXTENSION PROJECT EXECUTE  APPLICATION NOTICE. ON WHAT  YOUR TEAM THAT WAS TO PARENTS  AND SARASOTA COUNTY DISTINCT  POTENTIAL PRODUCTS OR SRQ AND  ALSO SPRING HAVEN. AS WE GOT  TO APRIL 23RD OF 2024. WE ALSO  WERE TOLD NOW TO REMOVE THAT  ITEM BUT WE WANT TO SHOW THE  HISTORY OF WHAT THE ITEM WAS  THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE  BECAUSE IT SOUNDED.  >> AS THE MEETING THAT WE HAD  PUT THE ITEM EITHER IN OR WHEN  GET TO THE WILL OF THE BOARD  WHICH WAS NOT OUR EFFORT NEVER  OUR INTENT BUT THE HOPE OF THE  MEMO CLARIFY HOW WE GOT THE  ITEM TO WHERE IT WAS AND IT IS  UP DISCUSSION AS TO HOW YOU  CHOOSE TO MOVE HAPPENS. HERE  TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU  MAY HAVE. ALL RIGHT. THANK  YOU. MOVING ON TO COMMISSIONER  VICE-MAYOR YOUR FIRST IN THE  SAMANTHA THANK YOU MAYOR.  >> I DID ASK FOR THIS ITEM TO  BROUGHT BACK DISCUSSING  POSSIBLE ACTION BECAUSE WOULD  LIKE US TO BE HOPEFULLY THE  FINAL TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS  MATTER AND WE CAN PUT THIS  ISSUE TO BED ONCE AND FOR ALL.  PROJECT QUITE A HISTORY AND  BACK UP A LITTLE AS CITY  MANAGER SAYS IN MARCH OF THIS  PAST YEAR WE DID ASK THE  COMMISSION TO ADD THIS AS I  BELIEVE IT WAS NUMBER 6 ON THE  SR TO REQUEST LIST SHAME ON  ME, I WOULDN'T SAY SHAME ON  ANYBODY ELSE FOR NOT DIGGING  DEEPER INTO THIS PARTICULAR  ITEM SO STAFF DID EXACTLY WHAT  COMMISSION ASKED PUT IT ON THE  LIST. SINCE THEN. I THINK SOME  DUE DILIGENCE. THIS PROJECT  WAS LOOK THAT BACK IN 2018  THERE WAS AN OUTSIDE STUDIED  AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE  SAME THING IN THE WEST MADE A  SERIOUS THIS IS A SENSITIVE  WILDLIFE THERE APPEARS FROM  TESTIMONY BACK THEN THAT THERE  WAS JUST NO REAL GOOD LOGICAL  REASON WHY THIS PROJECT SHOULD  TAKE PLACE. COMMISSION VOTED I  BELIEVE UNANIMOUSLY AGAINST  MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ROAD.  YOU KNOW THERE IS THE  POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL  DEVELOPMENT WHERE THIS ROAD TO  GO WHICH WOULD FURTHER  EXASPERATE CARTER IT IS VERY  NEAR LITTLE SALT SPRINGS.  THERE IS NO REASON WHY THIS  SHOULD GO IN IT DOESN'T HELP.  IT DUMPS OUT ONTO PRICE SO IT  IT DOESN'T CREATE ANY. EXIT  OPPORTUNITIES DURING STORMS TO  ME I'D LIKE TO SEE THE  WILDLIFE CORE I CONSERVATION  MEN AND THEIR PROTECT THIS  PROPERTY. THIS IS A PERFECT  EXAMPLE OF AN AREA THAT SHOULD  BE PROTECTED YOU KNOW ONCE AND  FOR ALL I WOULD LIKE TO HOPE  THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  SEE IT THAT WAY WE CAN PUT  THIS ISSUE TO BED ONCE AND FOR  ALL AND NEVER AFTER YOUR ABOUT  BUT AGAIN. THAT'S LAW MAYOR,  THANK YOU MADE THAT PRETTY  CLEAR.  >> I COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  YEAH WE COULD HAVE.  >> DONE THAT IN THE LAST  MEETING WHERE WE SAID NO TO  THE APPLICATION FOR RESILIENT  SEARCH YOU IT WOULD HAVE BEEN  DONE AT THAT TIME.  >> I.  >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS  A STUDY COMPLETED AND IT A  LITTLE. THE ROADWAY AND SOME  PROVISIONS FOR WILDLIFE TO BE  ABLE TO CROSS SAFELY GOING  UNDERGROUND. IT FAILED WE BACK  IN 2019 SAID NO WE'RE NOT  BUILDING THE ROAD AND WE MADE  THAT IN WE CLEAR AND DID NOT  FORESEE. I REALLY HOPE THERE  IS A WAY THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT  STUDY PUT IT ON THE STAMPED ON  EVERY SINGLE PAGE DO NOT  PURSUE BECAUSE I'M SURE  BETWEEN THE A FEW CITIZENS  THAT HAVE COME ENFORCE BETWEEN  2017 AND TODAY ABOUT  PROTECTING SPRING HAVEN AS OUR  POPULATION GROWS AND CHEDDAR I  AM BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE  EVEN MORE PEOPLE IF THIS COMES  BACK. SO WE JUST STAMP EVERY  PAGE DO NOT PURSUE THIS. I  WOULD BE VERY GRATEFUL, NOT  SURE HOW THAT LEGALLY BE DONE.  BUT AT THE SAME TIME JUST TO  BRING BACK SOME ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION IN 2019 THE  COMMISSION DID GIVE DIRECTION  TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TO  BRING BACK INFORMATION TO TURN  THE CITY-OWNED PROPERTY OF  SPRING HAVEN INTO A  CONSERVATION EASEMENT.  >> SURVATION PERPETUITY  SOMETHING CONSERVATION.  >> AND I.  >> LOOKED TO MY NOTES, IT SAID  SOMETHING WAS DONE IN JULY OF  2020 MY MEMORY IS VERY FRESH  AND YOU GOT WHAT NOT ENJOY  2020. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO  SEE THIS PROPERTY BE CONSERVED  INTO PERPETUITY THAT RIGHT OF  WAY OF SPRING HAVEN, I KNOW  IT'S A CITY-OWNED RIGHT AWAY  BUT THAT CAN ALSO BE. DEEMED  CONSERVATION LAND AND PURSUED.  SO WE REALLY NEED TO REVISIT  CONCERNED THAT PROPERTY. THE  CITY OWNED PROPERTY. WE ALSO  NEED TO PURSUE AND WITH THE  HELP OF THE COUNTY OF  PURCHASING THAT. I THINK IT'S  SK PROPERTIES. AND DOWN HERE  SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S THE  VACANT LAND THAT'S OWNED BY  SKS PROPERTY TO SEE ABOUT THAT  BEING PUT ONTO THE  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AND  AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER IN THE  MEMO, IT SAID THE DEVELOPER  WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE ROAD.  THE ONLY WAY TO BUILD A ROAD  ON OUR CITY ON TRACK SHE IS  WITH THE SO I JUST KIND OF  DISMISS THAT RIDICULOUS. SO.  THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON IT AND  I'M GRATEFUL WE CAN HAVE THIS  CONVERSATION MAYBE WE CAN GIVE  SOME KIND OF ON HOW TO  CONSERVE THIS LAND. ALL RIGHT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. THANK  YOU MAYOR.  >> TYPICALLY A WOMAN OF FEW  WORDS I WILL SIMPLY SAY. I'M  SURPRISED WE'RE TALKING AS  MUCH ABOUT THIS AS WE ARE I  THINK THAT OUR LAST MEETING WE  WERE ALL IN VIOLENT AGREEMENT  THAT NO DEVELOPMENT SHOULD GO  ON TO THIS LAND. AND I WOULD  BE VERY A MOTION TO PURSUE A  CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON  WHATEVER APPROPRIATE FOR THIS  AREAS. OKAY. YEAH, I'D LIKE  TO. WOULD HAVE TO BRING THIS  BACK EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE  TALKING ABOUT A CONSERVATION  EASEMENT I FOUND WONDERFUL  MAP.  >> HAVING TAKEN THE OFFICE OF  FORMER COMMISSIONER. HARRIS SO  THERE'S A LOT OF THAT LOT OF  THAT MAP AND I FOUND THIS MAP  THAT'S HAVEN SO I AND HAS THAT  LITTLE PURPLE I GUESS THAT  UNDERGROUND ARE GOING REMAIN  TO BE TALKING ABOUT ON, BUT  I'M NOT. I'M JUST NOT CLEAR  WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT  CITY PROPERTY BUT CONSERVATION  TIME NOW THAT SHOULD BE A  FUTURE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE CAN  HAVE I'M MATT BROUGHT SARASOTA  COUNTY SCHOOL BUT HAVEN'T THAT  CARROT SARASOTA COUNTY SCHOOL  BOARD STILL OWNS.  >> ACCORDING TO THIS PROPERTY.  THAT'S PART OF PARENTS THINK  MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT WAS NOT  DEVELOPED. I THINK BUT KNOW  MORE ABOUT ABOUT THAT SO I'M  NOT SURE OF THE ACTUAL PART OR  IS IS WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE  ROAD IT COULD BE THE ROAD SOME  POINT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT  ROAD. I DON'T THE VALUE OF  PUTTING ROAD. AND THEY ARE BUT  IF WE'RE TALKING CONSERVATION  LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CREEK  IS ON THAT IS OFF TABLE  ANYTHING SO DON'T KNOW IF I'D  BE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION  FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T  ALL THAT INFORMATION. FRONT OF  US. BUT AS FAR AS HAVING THIS  FUTURE DISCUSSIONS FOR YEAH,  I'M IN FAVOR THIS. IF THAT'S  OFF THE TABLE AND I DO  APPRECIATE VERY. HAFEZ HAD PUT  OUT THE 4 PAGE AND MORE OF  THAT WAS REALLY VERY STAFF  TECHNICAL THAT TIME TO DO  THAT.  >> SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY  ABOUT COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> YEAH DONE AGAINST THIS  PROJECT. AND SAYS I WOULD NOT  MIND HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT  THE CONSERVATION USING THAT IN  THE FUTURE THAT THAT WOULD BE  ABOUT THE ONLY WAY I'D BE  TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO.  >> THANK YOU.  >> ALL DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC  COMMENT ON SORRY I IT'S COOL  PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE.  ALEXANDER OKAY. PUBLIC  COMMENT.  >> MARIUS RESIDENTS OF PAN  AMERICAN STRONGLY OPPOSED TO  THE EXTENSION OF SPRING HAVEN,  THERE'S ACTUALLY NO SENSE OR  CONCRETE THAT HAD TO DESTROY  THIS NATURAL CORRIDOR. IN  ADDITION TO IMPACT ERA PARABLE  DAMAGE TO THE NATURAL AREA IT  WOULD ALSO MEAN HIGHER TRAFFIC  ON OUR STREETS WE HAVE THE  COMMISSIONERS WILL REMOVE THIS  ITEM FROM THE CITY PLANNING A  DO NOT BRING UP THIS AWFUL A  LOGICAL AND USELESS SPENDING.  JASMINE THIS PROJECT WOULD  NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE  IMPORTANT WILDLIFE CORRIDOR  BUT LITTLE START SPRINGS  PLEASE OPPOSE EXPANSION  SPRING HAVEN REPLY. DON'T READ  THAT. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS  ISSUE WITH THIS ROAD HAS BEEN  RESURRECTED AFTER ALL THE  CONCERNS AND OUTRAGTHAT  THOSE OF US HAVE FOR THE OF  HER MOST CHERISHED CITY NATURE  AREAS. WE'RE FINALLY LISTENED  TO AND THIS DEVELOPER  BENEFITING PLAN IS  DISRESPECTFUL TO ALL THOSE  VOTING CITIZENS WHO  CONTRIBUTED TO MANY HOURS OF  DEBATE AND COMMENTS. DO YOU  NOT HEAR US FINISHING THIS  ROAD WOULD FOREVER ALL WHILE  LIKES ABILITY TO MOVE IN AND  OUT OF THE SPRING AREA BY  LAND. IT WILL MAKE IT AN  ISOLATED ISLAND WITH NO WAY  FOR PANTHERS DEER AND MANY  OTHER NATIVE SPECIES TO MOVE  IN OR OUT WE TOLD YOU I'M THE  LAST TIME US WE THE CITIZENS  MOBILIZE TO COUNTER THE CITY'S  DEAL TO BULLDOZE AND  DESTROYING WHAT SHOULD BE FOR  EVER LEFT ALONE. YOU WANT TO  MESS WITH OUR OTHER JEWEL  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS HAVEN'T  YOU SEEN AND HEARD OUR INPUT.  NOW YOU WANT TO IMPERIL OUR  OTHER JEWEL OF A SPRING AS  WELL THESE DEMONSTRATE TO US  AND ALL WATCHING THIS ISSUE  THAT YOU RESPECT TO CONSIDER  OUR OPINIONS AND NEEDS OF THE  WILDLIFE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER  THAN WHAT THIS DEVELOPER TO  CYRUS THANK YOU.  DAVID WE WERE DISCUSSING IN ON  A SURVEY OF 3 SMALL NATURAL  WAYS IS IN THE HEART OF THE  CITY THAT LIES BETWEEN AN  AGENT SPRING CREEK WE TAKE OUR  DRINKING WATER FROM DO WE  REALLY HAVE TO DESTROY  EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW  IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE  COMMISSION VOTED IN THE PAST  INCLUDE THIS AREA AND A  CONSERVATION EASEMENT  RECOGNIZING ITS CRITICAL  IMPORTANCE TO THE WATERSHED  THE WATER WE DRINK. THE  ROADWAY WOULD OPEN THE  SENSITIVE LAND UP FOR  DEVELOPMENT JEOPARDIZING THE  LITTLE START SPRING AND  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS ANY  CONSERVATION DONE THERE,  CONSIDERED A LASTING IMPACTS  OF A DECISION THAT WILL ONLY  ALLOW A FEW DEVELOPERS TO  PROFIT THINK OF THE MAJORITY  WHOSE QUALITY OF LIFE WILL BE  IMPACTED BY POLLUTION AND OUR  DRINKING WATER AND REMOVAL  GREEN SPACE. THIS AREA IS  IMPORTANT FOR WILDLIFE AND  PEOPLE PLEASE DO NOT EXTEND  THE ROADWAY CITIZENS HAVE  EXPRESSED A FEW WEEKS AGO AND  IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS WE DO NOT  WANT THIS JEANETTE PRIORITIZE  THE DEVELOPERS WISHES FOR A  SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT  WILL NOT MATTER IN THE LONG  RUN AND HURT YOUR COMMUNITY.  IN PERSON CHECKED AND ALL AND  BILL GETS.  >> YEAH.  >> AND BUT WE WERE THEN YOU'VE  GOTTEN SIGNIFICANT INPUT ON  THIS ISSUE FROM A SIGNIFICANT.  OF. VOCAL MINORITY. THE ONE  THING SAY IS A CONSERVATION  EASEMENT IS A KEY FACTOR TO  THE PRESERVATION OF THESE  CORRIDORS. SUCH AS THE MYAKKA  CREEK AND ITS ENTIRE WILDLIFE  CORRIDOR.  THE OTHER ASPECT IS I DO NOT.  NO. IF THIS CITY AS ANY  DEMAND. THEY RECOGNIZED  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE. BUT  FOR YOUR ACTIONS SAID I'M.  CERTAIN OF BASING YOUR  COMMENTS. THANK YOU.  >> SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET  INTO THE HOLE. WILDLIFE AND  THE PROTECTION WE ALL KNOW HOW  SIGNIFICANT THAT IS I'M THE  ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THE  ONLY REASON. THAT WE SHOULD  NOW TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER IS.  YES, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT  THE ONLY REASON WHY THAT GUY  WANTS TO DO IT SO WE CAN.  DEVELOPERS 15 PARCELS SINCE HE  PURCHASED CHARLESTON PARK  ACROSS THE WAY ONLY REASON  THEY WANT GO TO IT AND THE  STORY. WE NEED TO REALLY SET.  A CLEAR MESSAGE TO WHAT WE'RE  DOING AS A CITY AS WE'RE  GROWING SO RAPIDLY TO SEND A  MESSAGE THAT SOME LANDS. IT  WAS NO DEVELOPMENT EVER GOING  TO HAPPEN. AND THIS PARTICULAR  PLACE IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT  WITHIN A CITY ALONG WITH A FEW  OTHERS I LATER ON. BUT THIS IS  THE MOST SENSITIVE. CORRIDOR  THAT WE HAVE. AND HAS TO BE  PROTECTED IN PERPETUITY SO THE  NEXT DISCUSSION IS. TO THE ER  WITH DEVELOPER. AND IF HE  CAN'T FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND  EMINENT DOMAIN. THIS IS ONE  TIME THAT THAT PARTICULAR  METHOD CAN BE UTILIZED IN  ORDER TO PROTECT A SIGNIFICANT  CORRIDOR. SO I GOT TO SAY I'M  SURE WILL HAVE A LOT SO THANK  YOU. THANK YOU.  >> THANK YOU I ACTUALLY DON'T  HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY BECAUSE  I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE  COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE  MADE ABOUT THIS AND YOU. THE  NEW RESEARCH AND ON. SEEM TO  UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS OCCURRED  IN THE PAST WITH THIS  PROPERTY.  >> THERE IS A ROAD THAT IS WAS  TO BE DEVELOPED CALLED KATIE  IN TERRACE. ON THE OTHER SIDE  OF IT ACTUALLY. AND FACES OUT  TO THE ENTRANCE TO LITTLE SALT  SPRING ON PRICE. THAT ROAD WAS  COMPLETELY DONE AWAY WITH. SO  THERE'S PRECEDENCE FOR ROADS  TO BE DONE AWAY WITH. A LITTLE  SALT SPRING. IT'S IT'S PRETTY  I THINK WITH THE PRESIDENT'S  TO TO GET THIS DONE. THE  WILDLIFE CORRIDOR. EXCELLENT  IDEA TO HAVE THAT PRESERVED IN  A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT.  SO WE DO HAVE TO COME BACK AND  DO THIS LIKE Y'ALL SAID SO  LIKE YOU'RE LISTENING TO US I  REALLY APPRECIATE IT AFTER THE  DEBACLE OF  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. MAYBE  START TO LISTEN PEOPLE WHO  HAVE. LIVED HERE ALL THEIR  LIVES AND THIS PLACE AND MAYBE  THAT'S THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO  NOT LIVED HERE THAT LONG. SO  THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR  CONSIDERATION. THAT'S OK.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR A MOTION ON THIS ITEM VICE  MAYOR DID YOU WANT TO DO YEAH.  >> LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO  DIRECT STAFF TO BRING BACK A  PLAN TO CREATE CONSERVATION  EASEMENT THIS PROPERTY  >> ALL RIGHT THAT WAS SHORT  AND SWEET SO WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR TO DIRECT  STAFF TO BRING BACK. WHAT DID  YOU PLANNED A PLAN TO ITS  CREATE A CONSERVATION EASEMENT  ALONG THIS. CORRIDOR. AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL DID WANT TO SPEAK TO  THAT  >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER,  VICE MAYOR FOR MAKING THAT  THERE IS A PROPERTY MAYOR HAD  MENTIONED THAT IS ALSO PART OF  THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT THEY OWN  IT IT'S A VERY LARGE PARCEL TO  THE WEST OF HERON CREEK. WE  REALLY NEED TO SEE BECAUSE  THEY HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF  DEVELOPING THAT LAND. THEY  KNOW HOW FRAGILE IT IS. AND  SEE IF MAYBE THEY MIGHT BE  INTERESTED IN DOING A  CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO SO I  DON'T KNOW IT WITH YOUR BROAD  BRING BACK INFORMATION ABOUT  CONSERVATION EASEMENT IF MAYBE  WE CAN I'LL BE HAPPY TO MAKE  AN TO INCLUDE POSSIBLY SCHOOL  BOARD PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW  IF WE CAN PUT A CONSERVATION  EASEMENT ON PROPERTY DON'T  WHICH IS OWNED BY SKS I THINK  THEY 15 PARCELS. SO I DON'T  KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK I I  DIDN'T THINK WE COULD. SO IF I  MAY MAKE UP A MOTION TO AMEND  THAT.  >> TO THINK WITH THE BEST WAY.  >> TO INCLUDE TALKS WITH THE  SCHOOL OR EXPLORE IT WITH THE  OKAY.  >> MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO ALSO  AS THE POSSIBLE DISCUSSION  WITH THE STAFF AND CITY  MANAGER AND THE SARASOTA  COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD TO BE HAVE  THEIR PROPERTY INCLUDED. AND  THAT CONSULTATIONS.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE AN  AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT  WAS MADE. CITY CLERK DID YOU  CAPTURE THAT COULD YOU RESTATE  THAT.  >> SEE IF I CAN SIMPLIFY  SECOND. SOMETIMES MAKING  MOTIONS AND AMENDMENTS ON THE  FLY CAN BE A LITTLE  CUMBERSOME.  >> THE TO INSTRUCT THE CITY  MANAGER EXPLORE THE  OPPORTUNITIES. FOR THE SCHOOL  BOARD PROPERTY TO BE INCLUDED  IN THE CONSERVATION.  DISCUSSION. I WOULD SECOND  THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION.  >> FOR AN CITY CLERK CAPTURE  THAT THAT WANT STRUCK THE CITY  MANAGER TO EXPLORE THE  OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCLUSION OF  THE SCHOOL BOARD PROPERTY IN  THE EASEMENT DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT WAS SECONDED  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON DO WE  HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON  THE AMENDMENT AND JUST FOR  CLARITY IT'S THE CONSERVATION  EASEMENT DISCUSSION. I I KNOW  IT'S ONE WORD BUT I THINK IT'S  PRETTY IMPORTANT WORD. SO IF  WE CAN MAKE SURE CONSERVATION  EASEMENT DISCUSSION IS BROKE  IN THAT THANK YOU, IT'S STILL  SECOND. IT'S A SECOND OK. SO  THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE TO ADD  THIS TO THE FIRST TASK OF THE  CITY CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.  >> THAT'S WHAT DRESSED THAT  THIS IS THE SCHOOL BOARD  PROPERTY HAVE THAT PART TO  EXPLORE. THEIR WILLINGNESS  OKAY.  >> ALL NOTHING ELSE WE'RE  GOING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDED.  AMENDMENT.  >> VICE MAYOR VICE MAYOR GS ON  THE AMENDMENT.  >> I'LL BE A YES THEY YES.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES TELL  US.  >> COMMISSIONER EMERGE. DID  YOU HEAR THAT WHAT THE  AMENDMENT WAS.  >> YES, I AND I SAID YES,  OKAY. THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THEN WE'RE  GOING TO VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL  MOTION AS AMEND IT.  >> VICE MAYOR MAYOR THE  LANGDON SAY YES. MCDOWELL,  YES, COMMISSIONER, EMRICH.  YES, OKAY AND THAT MOTION  PASSES AS WELL I AND THEY WE  GO WE ALL SAT WITH THAT. ALL  RIGHT, THANK YOU VICE-MAYOR  FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND  GETTING THIS. I'M ALI ONCE AND  FOR ALL. BUT ON THE BACK OR  GOOD. PUTTING THE BURNER OUT I  GUESS.  >> I'M MOVING ON ITEM WE ONE  MORE YES, GO TO MAKE ANOTHER  MOTION OPEN ON THAT ITEM. YES,  OKAY. TO HAVE STAFF WORK WITH  SARASOTA COUNTY TO PROPERTY  THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.  >> TO ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE LANDS. AS AN OPTION  FOR THEM TO PURCHASE PROPERTY.  AND THE QUESTION WHAT PROPERTY  FROM 2.15 PARCELS THAT ARE  PRIVATELY OWNED THAT ARE  ADJACENT TO THE CITY-OWNED  PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE  CREEKS. THAT WE HAVE HAD  DISCUSSIONS OF HAVING IT  PLACED AN ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE PLANTS FOR TO  PURCHASE. OVER TIME THOSE  DISCUSSIONS BY THE WAYSIDE AND  I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT  REVISITED AND BROUGHT BACK TO  LIFE. SECOND DISCUSSION. I  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.  >> WHY THIS  >> I KNOW IF I'M CORRECT THE  CITY DID MAKE SOME OVERTURES  TO ACQUIRE THE LAND AND HONOR  THEIR WON IT. WHAT IS  SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY  BEYOND WHAT CITY OF US PAY.  BUT. IN LIGHT OF THE DECISIONS  HERE TODAY. YOU KNOW MAY  CHANGE PERSPECTIVE. I LIKE  THAT I I THINK THAT AREA  REALLY NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED  AND PRESERVED BY YOU KNOW THE  COUNTY BEING ABLE TO DO  SOMETHING AT THOSE PARCELS AND  THEY COME OFF TABLE FOR GOOD I  THINK REALLY CLOSING THE DOOR  ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT WELL  HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD. SO I  HAVE NO PROBLEM. WE'RE THIS. I  THINK IT'S WORTHY DISCUSSION.  I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT  ALLOCATING COLLEGE MENTALLY  SENSITIVE LAND ANYWAY. YOU  KNOW OUR MYAKKA ACTUALLY IT'S  IT'S IT ONE OF THE HIGHEST  PRIORITIES THAT STUFF OR WEST  COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING AND  I I FORWARD TO THAT. IF  THERE'S SOME DOLLARS THAT  COULD BE ALLOCATED TO THIS  WOULDN'T BE A BAD THING ALL SO  FAVORITE.  >> COMMISSIONER  >> LANGDON YES, THANK YOU. I  ALSO AGREE.  >> AND.  >> IF IF THERE'S A SILVER  LINING AT ALL TO HURRICANE  IAN, I THINK IT'S.  >> REALLY PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON.  SITUATION AND NORTH PORT. YOU  THE MYAKKA HACHI CORRIDOR AND  ALL THE FLOODING. WE  SUSTAINED. I THINK NOW IS A  VERY GOOD TIME TO HAVE THAT  CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY.  BECAUSE FOLKS ARE JUST VERY  AWARE OF. YOU KNOW POTENTIAL  RISKS GOING INTO THE FUTURE  OF. DEVELOPING ON KINDS OF  PROPERTIES SO I WOULD  DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT  MOTION. OKAY.  >> INTERESTING NO INTEREST  MOTION. THIS PRIVATE PROPERTY.  APPLICATION ON BEHALF OF OF.  IT HAS TO BE WILLING SELLER  AND YES THROUGH THEIR  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND  PROGRAM, BUT IT'S A LIKE MAKE  THE APPLICATION OR THAT I  MENTIONED THAT WITH THAT AND  TRACK I HAD DONE THAT 20 YEARS  AGO WENT NOWHERE. AND I HEARD  SAID AND LIGHT OF THE FACT  THAT THIS MAY NOT GET A ROAD  MAY CHANGE THINGS FOR OWNER  AND THAT IS IT'S OR HER  PRIVATE IT TO GO BRING THIS  FORWARD I JUST DON'T WANT TO.  DOESN'T SEE THE VALUE BOERNE.  NUMBER 9 STAFF TO PURSUE  SOMETHING I'VE ON SOMEBODY  ELSE'S BEHALF THAT'S HOW I'M  I'M LOOKING AT THIS KNOWN POP  THEY THEY'RE MORE ABLE TO DO  THIS ON THEIR OWN. I'D RATHER  FOCUS OUR. ON THINGS THAT WE  CAN. ROLE OR HAVE SOME KIND OF  A. WE'RE EXPECTING OTHER THAN  DEPENDING ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S  PROPERTY. I THINK PUT ON THE  LIST BUT. ANYTHING AND JUST TO  CLARIFY WE JUST RECEIVED OUR  FIRST PROPERTY ON THAT PROGRAM  WITH MATEO ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE LAND. TELEGRAM THOSE  2 PARTS OF MONTANA COWAN THAT  PROGRAM WAS PASSED IN 1999  TAKEN THIS LONG TO GOING IN  PORT. SO WHY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YEAH, AND I HEAR WHAT  YOU'RE PROPERTY THAT THE THE  COUNTY PURCHASED USING THE  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  LAND.  >> WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND  IT WAS IT WAS ASKED TO BE  RESERVE ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE. AND I SEE THE SAN  MATEO PROPERTY NOT NEARLY AS  IMPORTANT FOR CONSERVATION AS  THIS PROPERTY AND I THINK BY  THE CITY TAKING ONLY EVEN THIS  JUST SHOWS THE COUNTY HOW MUCH  THIS IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS  TO CITY. I SEE GREAT 1000 AND  THE ENDING STAFF'S TIME TO  EXPLORE THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE IS NEEDED IT IS  NECESSARY. THE SAME 2 PROPERTY  KIND OF OF THE ON ITS CAME AS  A SURPRISE TO AND I ASK THAT  WAS THAT IN A MOMENT THAT THE  FLAT I  >> AND THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD  BE MAKING THIS REQUEST ON  BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER  MAKING THIS REQUEST ON THE  BEHALF OF THE THEY EXPLORE AND  GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS.  >> OUR PIO THAT I DON'T THINK  THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG IN FACT  I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE STOP  LITTLE BIT OF TIME I DON'T  THINK IT'S A HEAVY LIFT TO DO  TO MAKE THAT REQUEST TO THE  COUNTY. IT'S THEY WHO LEFT  PURSUE IT BEYOND OUR REQUEST,  BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE  THAT REQUEST THIS IS THIS IS A  SPECIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.  THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE  SHOULDN'T LETS THE COUNTY NO  LOUD AND CLEAR PROPERTY THAT  WE HAVE GREAT CONCERN AND WE'D  LIKE TO SEE HIM PROTECTED AND  THEN LET THEM RUN WITH THEY'RE  SUCCESSFUL BREAK. THEY'RE NOT  SO BE IT. YOU KNOW HOPEFULLY  CLOSE THE DOOR ON ANY  DEVELOPMENT THERE BUT. NOTHING  WRONG WITH ASKING AND I DON'T  KNOW HOW BIG A LIFT IT WOULD  BE FOR STAFF YOU KNOW, BUT I'M  SURE ONCE WE GET BY A COUPLE  OTHER HIGH PRIORITY ITEM SIT  AROUND THE TABLE THEM THEY CAN  FIND SOME TIME WITH US. ONE  YES, GO AHEAD. TO ADD MORE.  >> SUBSTANCE TO THE REQUEST. I  STRONGLY SUGGEST THE  COMMISSION OR EVEN DOING A  RESOLUTION. WHEN WHEN WE'RE  EXPLORING IN TASKING COUNTY  FOR THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE HAVING A RESOLUTION  IT'S ON THE RECORD AND IN THE  SHOWS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS AND  IT JUST MORE WITH HAS MORE  WEIGHT AND COULD TAKE UP THE  RESOLUTION TO SAVE THE WHALE  DOWN IN MIAMI. WE CAN  DEFINITELY DO A RESOLUTION TO  SAY COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> YEAH I I AGREE WITH THIS  MOVING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY  WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL  SENSITIVE LANDS, BUT ALSO I  THINK CITY COULD EVEN MAKE IT  EVEN STRONGER BY. POSSIBLE  LAND SWAPS OUT THERE YOU KNOW  INSTEAD OF CASH GOING FOR THE  PROPERTY MIGHT HAVE A PRIVATE  OWNER THAT WANTS TO SWAP FOR  ANOTHER PROPERTY AND THEN THIS  WAY BECOME CITY PROPERTY WOULD  PUT IT IN THE CONSERVATION  EASEMENT BUT THAT'S WHAT I  WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WELL ON  TOP OF THE ENVIRONMENT  SENSITIVE LAND PURCHASES DOING  BOTH. OR MAKE A BOTH  AVAILABLE.  >> OK THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT  WERE WITH US. LET'S TRACK TO  >> HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS MADE  BY SELF. WANT TO REPEAT THAT  PLEASE.  >> TAP THE CITY MANAGER WORK  WITH SARASOTA TO USE  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND  FUNDS TO PURCHASE. THOSE  PRIVATE PROPERTIES ALONG  SPRING HAVEN MYAKKA  >> DID I GET A SECOND ON SO  THAT WAS MY SON RIGHT.  >> AND SO WE HAVE A MOTION AS  IT WAS RESTATED COMMISSIONER  WE HAVE FOUND THAT REPEATED  ARE WE OKAY WE KNOW IT DID YOU  CAPTURE THAT YES, I HAVE.  >> WHAT IS IT THAT TO DIRECT  THE CITY MANAGER WHAT TO WORK  WITH SARASOTA COUNTY TO  EXPLORE OPTIONS TO PURCHASE  PRIVATELY OWNED SPRING HAVEN  AND MYAKKA HACHI CREEK IS AN  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  LANDS PROGRAM SLASHED FUNDS.  >> OKAY NOW IT'S SECONDED BY  VICE MAYOR.  >> ANYTHING ELSE.  >> THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT SO VICE MAYOR  EXPERIENCE, YES, AND I AND I  CAN SEE THAT THERE WILL BORDER  TO MOVE FORWARDS I'M GOING TO  SUPPORT THAT YOU GUYS TRYING  TO DO HERE AND I YES  COMMISSIONER YES, YES.  >> MARCH. YES, OKAY PASSES 5  TO 0 BEFORE YOU CLOSE. YES.  MUCH CAN I.  >> YOU YOU STATED SOMETHING  VERY ASKING THE CITY MANAGER  TO SEE ABOUT LAND SWAP. IT'S A  VERY EFFORT AND I WOULD HOPE  THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE AN  AMENDMENT TO SEE IF THAT MIGHT  WORK AT THIS POINT IN TIME  IT'S LIKE POURING ALL OPTIONS  AND I THINK WHAT YOU HAD  MENTIONED COMMISSIONER MUCH  WAS IT WAS DOABLE THE QUEST.  CAN YOU HEAR ME. YES.  >> YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT THAT  WAS THERE IN THE TALKS IN THE  PROCESS IS THAT THAT WOULD BE  AN AUTOMATIC TO WHERE PART OF  THE PROCESS KINDA PURCHASING  IT WAS MONEY WE'VE GOT LAND  THAT WE COULD SWAP WITH THEM  AND IT STILL PURCHASES  DIFFERENT COMMODITY. I JUST  THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ALL  INCLUDED IN ONE. WHEN THEY'RE  HAVING THEIR TALKS. I MEAN IF  YOU WANT IF YOU WANT MAKE AN  AMENDMENT I MEAN A FINE  MOTION. YEAH, I'M JUST. BUT  I'M JUST SAYING I THOUGHT THAT  WOULD BE A GIVEN MAKE A  MOTION. MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND  YOU HAVE THE CITY MANAGER  INCLUDE AND STAFF CITY MANAGER  AND STAFF INCLUDE AND THEIR  TALKS TO A POSSIBLE LAND SWAP.  FOR THOSE PROPERTIES DEEMED  NECESSARY.  >> A SECOND FOR DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE  >> THIS IS THAT AMENDMENT A  NEW MOTHER BEEN A MOTION A  VOTE OKAY SO WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER AMRIDGE  TO CONSIDER A LAND SWAP. FOR  THIS PROPERTY THAT IS IN  QUESTION THAT WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT.  >> AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY.  YES COMMISSIONER LANGDON I MY  DISCUSSION IS I THINK IT'S  WELL WORTH EXPLORING LEFT HAVE  STAFF COME BACK WITH THEIR  OPINION ON THAT.  >> BUT FOR ME IF WE CAN USE  SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY AND NOT  HAVE TO USE OUR CHIPS I'D MUCH  RATHER DO THAT WE I THINK WE  CAN QUIETLY EXPLORE SO SO IF  OUR BID TO GET THE COUNTY TO  PURCHASE THIS LAND SALES AND I  WOULD CONSIDER A LAND SWAP BUT  I WAS NOT PUT THEM ON THE  TABLE AT THE SAME TIME. MAYOR.  >> AND READ MY MIND WHAT THE  SAME WAY UP. YOU KNOW.  ENTERTAINING A LAND SWAP IS  GOING UNDULY DELAY THE COUNTY  IS IS MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE  SOME DETERMINATIONS AS TO  WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DOLLARS  AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO MISS  THAT WINDOW. I ALSO THINK THAT  ANY PROPERTIES WE HAVE THAT WE  MIGHT SWAP COULD BETTER USED  ELSEWHERE OR FOR OTHER  REASONS. MY BELIEF WE CAN USE  COUNTY MONEY HERE TO DO THIS  THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY WITHOUT  UTILIZING OUR DOLLARS OR  EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WE  MAY BE ABLE TO USE AND IN A  MORE INTELLIGENT FASHION WE  HAVE OTHER ENVIRONMENTALLY  SENSITIVE AREAS THAT WAY AND  SLOTS MAY WORK WELL WITH I  THINK THAT THAT'S A WHOLE  AVENUE TO START EXPLORING AND  I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR NATURAL  RESOURCES DIVISION WILL BE  ABLE TO PLAY AN INTEGRAL PART  IN TAKING HARD LOOK ACROSS OUR  CITY AS WE PUSH FORWARD THE  DEVELOPMENT WERE PUSHING AND  LORD KNOWS EVERYBODY KNOWS ON  THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT I  THINK THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR US  TO LOOK AT CERTAIN STRATEGIC  PROPERTIES AND PROTECT THEM  HOLDING BACK AND PRESERVING  SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE MAY  USE S CHIPS AND BARS. I THINK  MAKE I SAY EXPLORED A COUNTY  WHICH MOVE FORWARD WHERE VOTED  ON THAT SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH  THAT WE CAN JUST DOWN THE ROAD  IF WE HAVE TO.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. VICE  MAYOR COMMISSIONER LANGDON  YEAH JUST I I I REALLY AGREE  WITH THAT AND. I THINK IT  WOULD BE A VERY GOOD USE OF  OUR TIME TO TAKE A LOOK THE  CITY. AND IDENTIFY AREAS THAT  REALLY SHOULD NOT BUILT ON  THAT JUS REALLY CANNOT BE  MEDIATED. GOTTEN A LOT OF  PUBLIC COMMENT OVER THE PAST  MANY MONTHS ABOUT THE CITY'S  NEED TO DO THAT AND BE MORE  PROACTIVE WITH THOSE PARTS OF  THE CITY THAT SHOULD BE  PROTECTED AND REALLY SHOULD  NOT BE BUILT ON. I HEARTILY  CONCUR WITH VICE MAYOR'S  COMMENTS. I  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL I HEAR WHAT MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING AND  THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING. BUT  THIS IS AN OPTION THAT.  EXPLORING. AND I FULLY AGREE  YOU USE OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY  AND ACTUALLY IT'S  TAXPAYERS MONEY.  >> THEY THEY THEY.  >> APPROVED BYRON MENTALLY  LET'S LET'S USE THAT FIRST  IT'S POSSIBLE BUT AT THE SAME  TIME I DON'T WANT LOSE SIGHT  OF THIS I AM GOING TO SUPPORT  THE MOTION. AS AS COMMISSIONER  EMRICH CHIP STATED BECAUSE I  THINK IT'S IT IS MORE  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YES, THAT.  >> I'VE GOT ANOTHER COMMENT I  JUST DON'T HAVE A LIGHT SO IF  YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD YOU GO  RIGHT AHEAD, BUT I GOT ANOTHER  COMMENT AGO AT. OKAY THE WAY  THAT I'M LOOKING AT IT AS WELL  IS.  >> AS AS WE'RE SHOWING THE  CITIZENS HOW MUCH WE CARE  ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR SO WE  SHOULD EXPLORE EVERY SINGLE  OPTION OUT THERE AND THEN THIS  STUFF WON'T BE COMING BACK  WITH DEVELOPMENT TYPE STUFF IN  THE FUTURE. SO WE WERE YOU'RE  GOING TO SAY YEAH WE JUST WANT  TO USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S MONEY  BUT WE'VE GOT WEVE GOT LAND  THAT WE CAN SWAP FLORIDA MAYBE  STOP EVERYTHING FOR FOREVER.  BUT YET WE DON'T WE ALL WANT  TO EXPLORE 1 ONE SIDE OF THE  CAKE AND NOT THE OTHER SIDE.  YOU KNOW IS LIKE. WE'RE WE'RE  JUST GOING HALFWAY AND AND  THAT'S THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING  AT IT SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT  THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THIS  CORRIDOR FOR WILDLIFE AND THE  CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN FOR MANY  YEARS ON THIS CORRIDOR, LET'S  SUPPORT THEM AND SHOW THEM  THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO  EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT WE  CAN. TO SAVE THIS CORRIDOR  FOREVER.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YOU KIND  BUT MY MIND THERE THAT WHEN IT  WAS SAID THIS SARASOTA  COUNTY'S MONEY THIS IS WE ALL  PAY $0.25 I THINK IT IS FOR  EVERY $1000 OF TAX ASSESSMENT  AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT UP  THAT WE HAD JUST ACQUIRED ARE  FIRST PROPERTY. AND NORTH PORT  AFTER ALL THESE I FOLLOWING  VICE MAYOR AND THAT I I. DON'T  WANT TO GIVE AWAY ALL THE  CARDS AT ONE TIME AND LOVE  THAT EXPRESSION GOES BUT I I  WANT TO SEE THIS. BUT WITH  THOSE THOSE FUNDS AND LANCE,  MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE LIKE  WHAT LANSING TALKING ABOUT AND  AND SO I I JUST WOULD LIKE  PURSUE THAT FIRST OPTION  BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A  VIABLE ONE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T  GOTTEN ANYTHING IN HERE EXCEPT  FOR THE MATEO PROPERTIES AND  PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT'S  WHERE I AM.  >> VICE MAYOR YOU JUST JUST  ONE OTHER POINT. IT'S THAT. IN  MAKING A REQUEST TO THE COUNTY  THE COUNTY HAS MULTITUDE OF  OPTIONS TO WHERE THEY SPEND  THOSE DOLLARS. THEY SEE THAT  WE ARE EQUALLY EXPLORING LAND  SWAPS. WE'RE SEEING SAID.  THEIR ATTITUDE WOULD BE WHAT  OUR ATTITUDE AND SWITCHES. LET  THE CITY DEAL TO THE CITY  ISSUE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE  COUNTY SPEND THEIR DOLLARS TO  BUY THESE PROPERTIES. WE CAN  ALWAYS REVISIT ITS NOT GETTING  OFF ANYBODY'S RADAR SCREEN  HERE. I THINK IT TO LOSE OUR  ABILITY TO IMPRESS THE COUNTY  WITH HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT  WE THINK THIS CARD OR RISK AND  HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT  THEY'LL PRESERVE IT I MEAN.  YOU KNOW IT SENDS A STRONGER  MESSAGE THAT THAT'S THE ONLY  REASON WHY DON'T DISAGREE WITH  SOME OF THE PERSPECTIVE  COMMISSIONER EMRICH AND AND  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL HAVE  RAISED REGARDING THIS I JUST.  I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE WE  GO THIS ROUTE FIRST DOESN'T  MEAN WE CAN'T REVISIT IT LATER  IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE  COUNTY CHOOSES OTHER  PRIORITIES. BUT I THINK WE  NEED TO GO ALL IN ON THIS THIS  IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT  PARCELS AND WE SHOULD WANT  THEM TO PROTECT US AND AND  SEND A CLEAR MESSAGE. THAT'S  MY FINAL $0.2 I HOPE IS MY  ALL. 2 ALL.  >> OUT TO THE INCENTIVE IS  THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE  VOTERS FOR CONTINUATION. AND  THE COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE TO  SHOW THAT THEY HAVE INVESTED  IN NORTH PORT EVEN THOUGH  NORTH FOR HIS PAID  CONSIDERABLY. SO TO ME THAT'S  A HUGE INVESTMENT. WHAT BETTER  LANDS TO USE THAN  >> OKAY SURE OF LIKE THAT.  >> YEAH I I JUST LOVE IT WHEN  WE ARE ALL IN VIOLENT  AGREEMENT AND WE JUST TALKING  ABOUT THAT. I WOULD SIMPLY SAY  THAT WE ALWAYS DO A LAND SWAP  THAT IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO  DO ANY TIME. WE FEEL IT'S  NECESSARY. JUST FROM ON  NEGOTIATING AND POSITIONING  POINT OF VIEW. LET'S BE REALLY  CLEAR AND SINGULAR IN OUR  CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY.  THAT AND MY MIND IS MUCH  BETTER, LET'S SORT OF SAVE OUR  PROPERTIES IF WE CAN TO  LEVERAGE OTHER SENSITIVE  AREAS. SO THAT'S IT I'M NOT  GOING TO SAY ANOTHER WORD,  IT'S CALLED CROSSING MINUTE.  >> OK SO WE JUST READ THAT  MOTION BACK SO WE KNOW WE'RE  VOTING ON. TO DIRECT THE CITY  MANAGER TO INCLUDE DISCUSSION  ON POSSIBLE LAND SWAPS FOR THE  PROPERTIES OKAY ALL RIGHT SO  THAT THOSE ARE VOTING ON. AND  THAT WAS MADE AGAIN BY.  COMMISSIONER EMRICH AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY. I'M MIND LIKE  THANK YOU. YES FOR DISCUSSION  AT VICE MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW AT  THIS TIME. MAYER IS A NO.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON DIMON  KNOW AT THIS TIME. MCDOWELL  YES. AND COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> I'M A YES AND 1, 1, LAST  STATEMENT THOUGH WHEN WHEN  WE'RE TALKING WITH THE COUNTY.  THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING BUT  THE HOMEOWNERS, THE PROPERTY  OWNERS WAS WHERE THAT  CONVERSATION WAS GOING TO TAKE  PLACE WAS THE COUNTY IT WAS  GOING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS  ON IF THEY WANTED TO TRADE.  PART OF NEGOTIATIONS.  >> OKAY THAT'S THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER OF MOTION TO THE  3 BUT THAT ALL OF IT WAS A  GREAT DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A  LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE AND I  I MAKE NOTES ON WHAT SHOULD BE  COMING BACK SO WE KEEP TRACK  OF THAT HAS APPLICATION THAT  WOULD BE GREAT.  >> ALL WE'LL GET A MOVE ON TO  THE NEXT ITEM WAYS OKAY, THANK  I NEED SOMEBODY WHO IS  STRAIGHT FORWARD. YES, LET'S  GO A MOVING TO ITEM B. WHICH  IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  ACTION REGARDING TEMPORARY  CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY FOR  NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS. CITY  MANAGER THIS IS YOUR THANK YOU  MADAM MAYOR IS AN ITEM THAT  WAS GRIST VICE MAYOR STILL  BEEN MET FOR DISCUSSION.  >> OKAY.  >> VICE MAYOR STEPS TAKEN AWAY  RIGHT.  >> WELL, GOING THERE, SO IT'S  BEEN THE STYLE HOW SHOULD DEAL  WITH TEMPORARY SIGNAGE IN THE  RIGHT AWAY, ESPECIALLY WITH  REGARDS TO OUR NONPROFITS  WE'RE PROMOTING OFFENSE TO  BENEFIT THE CITY CITIZENRY AT  LARGE WE DID HAVE ONE ON ONES  WITH STAFF AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL  REGARDING THIS DURING MY  DISCUSSIONS. JUST. DESPITE ALL  OF THE REASONS WHY SIGNAGE IN  THE RIGHT AWAY HAVE TO BE WELL  CONTROLLED KNOWING. THE  RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE ON  CONTENT. IT JUST FAILED. I  MEAN IT STRUGGLES WITH JUST  SIMPLY SAYING WELL WE CAN  ACCOMMODATE OUTSIDE COUNSEL  MADE A RECOMMENDATION. THAT  LANGUAGE COULD BE WHAT FORTH  THAT WOOD. BASICALLY ALLOW  COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE IN THE  RIGHT AWAY. AND THAT THAT WAS  LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE AND IN THE  SHORT TERM UNTIL STAFF AT THE  TIME TO IS IT. THIS ASPECT OF  SIGNAGE DOWN THE ROAD COME UP  WITH SOMETHING MAYBE A LITTLE  MORE ROBUST AND A LITTLE MORE.  SOLID THIS WOULD BE A WAY.  PROFITS. WHY THE CHAMBER LIKE  COHEN US LIKE A WHOLE HOST OF  OTHER SCHOOL. ONE OF THE  EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES. FOR THE  BENEFIT OF OUR CITIZENS. AND  SHORT TERM ADVERTISING IN THE  RIGHT AWAY THIS WOULD PROVIDE  A VEHICLE FOR THEM TO DO THAT  IN UNTIL SOME PROCESS OR OR  WE'RE LIKE WHICH COULD PUT  AURORA. YOU KNOW IN YOUR FOR  SAY I WANT TO BRING THIS  BEFORE EVERYBODY YOU KNOW IT.  NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS  ABOUT WELL WE COULD ALWAYS PUT  SIGNS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND  THAT SHOULD DO IT. THE REALITY  IS THAT.  ♪ SIGNAGE WORKS AND WELL YOU MAY  SEE SOCIAL MEDIA ADVERTISING  IN A VARIETY OF OTHER  ADVERTISING. WHEN A DAY OR 2  BEFORE AN EVENT YOU'RE DRIVING  DOWN THE STREET AND BINGO  THERE IT IS THE YET I WANT TO  GET TO  ♪ THAT AND I THINK IT'S REALLY  IMPORTANT ARE NONPROFITS. DO  YOU SERVE. OUR CITY AND OUR  CITIZENS THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD  AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD WAY  TO SHOW DESIRE TO PARTNER WITH  THEM AND AND HELP THIS PROCESS  AND PUSH-BACK FROM BUSINESS  REAL ESTATE FOLKS SAID THIS  DENIES ME THE ABILITY TO PUT  MY REAL ESTATE SIGNS IN THE  RIGHT AWAY OR YOU KNOW.  >> I REPAIRED ROOMS OR I BUY  HOUSES FOR CASH WELL, BECAUSE  THERE THERE'S DIRECT BENEFIT.  TO EITHER THAT BUSINESS OR  THEIR CLIENT. BUT COMMERCIAL  ADVERTISING AND THE RIGHT  AWAY. AND IF IT'S THE  CITIZENRY AT LARGE AND I THINK  THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE  THAT'S WHY I WE ALL CAN  SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW  IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME WITH  THE ULDC REWRITE NOT THE  HIGHEST PRIORITY AND I HATE TO  SEE ANOTHER SEASON YEAR WHERE.  THESE THESE NON COMMERCIAL.  ORGANIZATIONS CAN ADVERTISE IN  THE RIGHT AWAY I I THINK IT'S  WRONG AND THE SAID WELL I  THINK WE SAID THAT IF THEY  CAN'T WE CAN'T AND IT JUST  SEEMS TO ME THAT FOR PUBLIC  SERVICE PURPOSES WE OUGHT TO  BE ABLE TO DO THIS. WE AS A  CITY AND NONPROFIT'S WORK OR  FOR AN UP GREAT EVENTS THAT  CITIZENS WANT TO GO TO A LOT  OF ANYWAY.  >> THANK YOU BRINGING THAT UP  OR FIND WHAT IT IS. BROUGHT  THIS UP PUT THIS ON AGENDA  CREATE THAT NONPROFITS VERSUS  COMMERCIAL THE BENEFITS I. BE  THAT YOU MADE. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> AND I I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU  BROUGHT THIS FORWARD I.  REMEMBER BACK WHEN WE  INSTITUTED A MORATORIUM ON  ENFORCEMENT OF THE IMPINGING  GROWTH WHILE WE CAME UP  POLICY. I AM HOPEFUL WE MIGHT  GET TO DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR  WITH THE SIGNAGE FOR  NONPROFITS AND WHILE I AGREE  100% WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING  MY BIGGEST THING GOES BACK TO.  WE. SEPARATE NON-COMMERCIAL  FROM PROFIT CAN WE I ON  COMMERCIAL FROM COMMERCIAL. I  HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT  THE BENEFIT PART.  >> BUT I THINK THIS IS GOING  BACK TO THAT STICKY WICKET  KIND OF THING. I DID HEAR YOU  SAY VICE MAYOR THAT THIS IS  NOT A THE ULDC IS THE PRIORITY  I AGREE. WELL, THE SEA IS THE  PRIORITY, HOWEVER, THIS ONE I  THINK IS LIKE IMMEDIATELY.  NEXT IN LINE. NO HESITATION  LIKE WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE  BY LIKE SEPTEMBER. AND WERE  NOT MEETING IN AUGUST, SO  STAFF HAS FREE TIME IN BUT  THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE A  PRIORITY BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET  IT CONTINUE TO LAG ON IN. I GO  BACK TO ITS AS SIMPLE AS  TEMPORARY USE PERMIT AND THE  APPLICATION IN TO YOU KNOW  THERE ARE SIGNS YOU KNOW I I  DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN WORK  AROUND IT. SO I REALLY WOULD  LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF ABOUT  THE LEGALITY PART OF IT  BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WILL.  >> WE'LL FIGURE OUT A AND AND  I IF I MAY I DO HAVE A COUPLE  QUESTIONS THAT PERHAPS STAFF  CAN CONSIDER AT THE SAME TIME.  BUT BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE A  STATEMENT.  >> NONPROFITS AREN'T THE ONLY  ENTITIES THAT BRING BENEFIT.  SO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR  COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. AND  EDWARDS WHO ALSO SO I I REALLY  CAN'T LINE UP BEHIND THAT  DISTINCTION. ALL I CAN SAY IS  WOW DOES THE CITY LOOKS SO  MUCH BETTER WITHOUT THE  CLUTTER UP SIGNS IN ALL OF THE  RIGHT OF WAYS. FOR THOSE WHO  APPRECIATE QUALITY OF LIFE.  THAT'S A BIG PART OF QUALITY  OF LIFE BUT I I HAVE A COUPLE  OF QUESTIONS AS WELL. WHAT  ABOUT PROFIT MAKING CHURCHES  HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN  NOT NONPROFIT CHURCHES AND  PROFIT MAKING CHURCHES AND  WHAT KIND OF BURDEN DOES THAT  PUT ON AND REALLY HOW FAR AWAY  IS OUR NEW SIGN. POLICY. IF  WE'RE TALKING FALL TO COME  BACK TO US FOR DISCUSSION. AND  A DECISION THAT I LET'S JUST  WAIT FOR THAT BECAUSE I REALLY  LIKE WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.  AND OUR NEW TEMPORARY POLICY  SO. I GUESS FIRST WHAT DO WE  DO ABOUT CHURCHES IF WE  PROCEED. THE TEMPORARY. ALL  DONE THE  >> GOOD MORNING. YES, JUST  OVERALL AND THAT THE CITY  MANAGER. WE HAVE A LOT OF  GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE  COMMISSION AND PUSH THE VIDEO  TO THE TIME ALLOW US TO BRING  IN A LEGAL EXPERT OVER 20  YEARS OF KEEPING A LAWSUIT  YEARS AND WHAT WE HEARD WHAT  WE COMMUNICATE. IT IS RETOOL  THE SITE ON WE'RE GOING TO DO  THAT ON A SEPARATE PATH FROM  THE ULDC THE CAUSE OF SOME OF  THE THINGS WE HEARD FROM THE  COMMISSION THAT COULD BE DONE  THE YEAR. IT ALSO LETS BRING  YOU BACK A POLICY BY FEBRUARY.  SO IT WAS KIND OF A 2 PARTER.  STAFF ABSOLUTELY WE'LL CLEAR  DOES NOT HAVE CAPACITY. TO DO  SOMETHING KNOCKED OUT BY  SEPARATE SEPTEMBER. THAT AIN'T  GOING TO HAPPEN. SO YOU CAN  ASK. LETS WE WANT PUT DOWN  SOME OTHER KEY THINGS SOME  DEVELOPERS AND UNTIL YOU PUSH  THE ULDC WE DON'T HAVE THE  CAPACITY TO THE VACANCIES  WORK.  >> NOT JUST WITH ALL DUE  RESPECT DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WE  HAD ARTICULATED WHAT I THOUGHT  WAS A VERY GOOD HIGH-LEVEL  STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD OF  MAKING SIGNAGE RELATED TO  NONPROFIT SUPPLY ABSOLUTE SO,  BUT THAT STILL IS GOING TO  HAVE TO TAKE TIME FOR US TO TO  RETOOL.  >> THE SIGNS VERSUS THE THE  FIRST DRAFT OF THE SIGNAGE  THAT WAS WHAT WAS BEING  BROUGHT TO YOU AS PART OF THE  LINES OVER CODE.  >> YOU. OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM  HERE ENTER MORE TECHNICAL  QUESTIONS TOO.  >> WE CAN CLARIFY THE.  >> THE SIGN ORDINANCE WILL BE  ADOPTED AT THE SAME TIME AS  THE REST OF ULDC BUT THIS  ISSUE OF. SPECIAL EVENTS  NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE BEING  ALLOWED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.  OUTSIDE COUNSEL HAS MADE THAT  VERY CLEAR THAT SHOULD NOT BE  PART OF THE SIGN ORDINANCE IT  SHOULD BE A SEPARATE POLICY  THAT POLICY IS WHAT WE HAD  PREVIOUSLY INDICATED THAT  WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU  AT A LATER DATE. AND I THINK  THAT DAY WAS FEBRUARY BY  FEBRUARY IN 2020 25 BECAUSE  NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE THE. ULDC  TO GET THROUGH WE HAVE ACELA  BEING IMPLEMENTED. FIRST WEEK  OF DECEMBER IS WHAT WE HAVE  SCHEDULED. THAT IS TAKING  EVERY BIT OF STAFF'S TIME. SO  THAT WAS THAT WAS THE  INDICATION. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE  MATTER OF JUST WRITING SOME  POLICY LANGUAGE THIS IS GOING  TO HAVE TO BE VETTED THROUGH  OUR OUTSIDE SIGNED COUNCIL.  BECAUSE. IT IS A VERY STICKY  SUBJECT THERE ARE NUMEROUS  LAWSUITS THAT THIS THAT CITIES  AND COUNTIES HAVE LOST AND  LOST HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.  BECAUSE THEY WERE. SOMEBODY  HAD TO GO OUT AND READ A SIGN  IN ORDER TO KNOW IF IT WAS  ALLOWED THERE OR NOT AND WHEN  YOU HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT  OFFICER IN YOUR DEPENDING ON  THAT PERSON. 2 WE DECIDE TO  INTERPRET YOU'RE YOU'RE  OPENING YOURSELF UP TO A LOT A  LIABILITY THERE SO WE HAVE TO  MAKE SURE THAT ANY POLICY  LANGUAGE THAT WE WRITE IS VERY  EARLY BED. BY OUR LEGAL  COUNSEL.  >> I COULD ADD, I'M JUST AS A  REMINDER.  >> WHEN HAD OUR ONE-ON-ONE  MEETINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THE  EASY LEFT AND THE EASY LEFT.  IT'S REGARDING SIGNAGE FOR  SPECIAL EVENTS HELD ON CITY  OWNED PROPERTY WITH A SPECIAL  EVENT PERMIT AND THAT IS  INCORPORATED INTO. CHAPTER. 3.  AFTER 3 I BELIEVE OF THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT THAT  WILL BE COMING FOR FORMAL  CONSIDERATION IN JULY. SO WE  HAVE ADDRESSED THESE EASY LEFT  AND THE DROP TO ULDC WE JUST  NEED THAT ADDITIONAL TIME TO.  TO ADDRESS THE NON THAT EVENTS  OR THE NONPROFITS HOLDING  EVENTS OR FUNDRAISERS OR  SPORTS OUTSIDE OF CITY OWNED  PROPERTY. AND WE'RE WE'RE  COMMITTED TO GETTING ON THAT  RIGHT AFTER WE HAVE THE ULDC  REWRITE COMPLETE AND WE WORK  THROUGH A IN TAISHAN.  >> I THANK YOU BRING THAT UP  REMEMBER THAT.  >> AS WELL THE CITY-OWNED  PROPERTIES OF DIFFERENT  ANIMALS MAKE NON CITY. AND I  JUST WANTED TO TO BRING OUT  THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  NONPROFITS THAT THE  DIFFERENCE, NOT ALL SIGNS ARE  CREATED EQUAL BUT IT'S HER  NONPROFIT EVENT IT I OR 2 DAY  EVENT AND THAT NONPROFIT  THAT'S THAT SIGNED AND TAKES  IT AWAY. THE PROBLEM THAT I  SEE WITH THE BUSINESS SIGNS  THAT THEY JUST STAY FOREVER.  THEY STAY IN LOW OVER ALL OVER  LETTER. I DIDN'T PICK UP ALL  THE TIME ON SOUTH BOULEVARD  AND COSTLY PICKING THEM UP AND  NOW INTO THE UTILITY POLES.  THAT IS IF THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN 2. I'M NOT SAYING.  MARK THE COMMERCIAL AND CITIES  DON'T BENEFIT THE CITY OF  COURSE THEY DO BUT IT'S THE  WAY THAT THE SIGNS ARE PUT OUT  THERE AND THEY JUST STAY OUT  THERE AND BE GREAT IF THEY  CAME IN ON THEIR OWN WE'VE GOT  FOR 2 WEEKS AND THEN IT AND  TAKE YOU BACK TO DOESN'T  HAPPEN WITH THE NONPROFITS ARE  ALWAYS. CAN ONLY PUT THEM OUT  2 WEEKS BEFORE THE EVENT AND  THEY HAD TO BE PICKED UP  WITHIN. 24 HOURS OF THE EVENT.  THEY THAT THAT'S THE  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SIGNS ARE  NOT ALL SIGNS ARE CREATED  EQUAL AND THAT SENSE. I JUST  WANT PUT THAT OUT THERE.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YEAH.  >> SO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE  CALLING ZEALOT. WHAT TO BRING  THAT BACK TO COMMISSION.  >> EASY LIFT WHICH IS THE  EVENT'S SPECIAL EVENTS THAT  ARE ON CITY PROPERTY IS  ALREADY INCORPORATED INTO  CHAPTER 3 OF THE ULDC AND WILL  BE. IN CHAPTER 2.  >> ONE OF THE OTHER THAN THE  SIGNAGE.  >> AND THAT WHEN YOU SEE THAT  FOR FIRST READING IT'S ALREADY  IN  >> LONG AS WE HAVE AN EASY  LIFT THAT TAKES CARE OF THE  THE BIG BECAUSE MOST OF THE  EVENTS TO HAPPEN AT THE  FACILITIES IT'S EVENTS LIKE  PAGE FAIR THAT THEY THAT'S  KIND OF YES AN AMMO SO THANK  YOU FOR THAT. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU SITE I ALSO AGREE  THAT THAT CURRENT LANGUAGE I  THOUGHT WE HAD IT COVERED I  WAS THINKING CHAPTER 3 I  COULDN'T REMEMBER MAYBE IT'S A  CHAPTER 2. AND I THINK THAT IS  IF I'M RECALLING ALL OF OUR  DISCUSSION THE MOST IMPORTANT.  THAT WE WANTED TO PROTECT. SO  I'M REALLY WHAT WITH THAT  LANGUAGE. I PROMISE MONTHS AND  MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO THAT I  WOULD NOT SUPPORT ANYTHING  THAT DETERRED. OUR STAFF. FROM  DELIVERING THAT ULDC AND AS  MUCH AS I'M TEMPTED TO SLIDE  DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE WITH  VICE MAYOR. I'M GONNA HOLD  TRUE TO MY COMMITMENT AND NOT  ASK YOU TO DO ANY WORK I I  THINK TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A  WORK OF CREATING POLICY AND WE  WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT. I MEAN  WE JUST WE JUST CAN'T DO  THINGS OFF THIS THE CUFF. FOR  SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW.  WHAT AM I SIMPLE WAY OF  THINKING WHAT WOULD REQUIRE A  LOT OF CASE-BY-CASE  DISCERNMENT ON THE PART OF  CODE ENFORCEMENT AND I JUST  DON'T THINK WE WANT TO PUT OUR  CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IN THAT  POSITION. SO I'M I'M NOT  SUPPORTIVE OF DOING ANYTHING  IN THE SHORT TERM. OUR  PRIORITY HAS TO BE COMPLETING  THE ULDC AND AND THEN WE CAN  FOCUS ON THINGS THAT IN MY WAY  OF THANKING ARE REALLY THE  PRIORITY WHICH OF THE  NONPROFIT'S AND AND THEY WERE  OF THEM SO. I'M I'M NOT  INCLINED TO ALONG WITH A  TEMPORARY SOLUTION. THERE.  WELL, THE ASK. WOULD BE.  >> TO APPROVE A TEMPORARY CODE  ENFORCEMENT POLICY JUST  DIRECTING CODE ENFORCEMENT  DIVISION TO NOT REMOVE NON  COMMERCIAL SITES LOCATED IN  THE CITY'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF  WAYS AND TO REMAIN IN PLACE  UNTIL NEW REGULATIONS WERE PUT  IN PLACE. I DON'T KNOW HOW  MUCH WORKING FOR AEP STAFF  COULD ADDRESS HOW MUCH WORK.  THIS PARTICULAR MOTION. WOULD  TAKE TO BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU  ARE ASKING AND I APPRECIATE I  APPRECIATE THE PRIORITY ON  ULDC GETTING EVERYTHING DONE  AND THE ACELA PROJECT. WE  HAVE. ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE.  WE HAVE BETTER PART OF THE  YEAR. AND WHO NOW WILL GO TO  THE BETTER PART OF ANOTHER  YEAR WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO  ADVERTISE. I THINK IT SENDS A  CLEAR MESSAGE TO THAT ONLY  ASKS WE MAKE TO SUPPORT THINGS  LIKE CHARTER AMENDMENT. ALL  KINDS OF OTHER THINGS WE HAVE  ASKED OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY  TO SUPPORT AND OUR NONPROFITS  TO SUPPORT I THINK IT'S  IMPORTANT TO BE CONCERNED  ABOUT THEM AND I THINK AND  SIMPLY DIRECTING CODE  ENFORCEMENT, NOT TO REMOVE.  NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE AND THE  RIGHT AWAY. IT'S NOT A BIG  LIFT. BUT AGAIN I DEFER TO  STAFF, BUT THIS SEEMED TO BE  REASONABLE APPROACH WHEN I GOT  MY ONE-ON-ONE. WITH STEPH AN  OUTSIDE COUNSEL. SO UNLESS  THEIR PERSPECTIVES DIFFERENT I  LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM  BECAUSE. YOU KNOW OTHERWISE  WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING TOUGH  LUCK ALL RIGHT. A FLOCK CAN  AVERAGE ICELAND. YOU KNOW  THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS WE'VE  GOT BIGGER FISH TO MORE  IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO YOU  JUST REALLY AREN'T THAT  IMPORTANT THAT'S THE MESSAGE  WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACCEPT IT  OR NOT THAT'S THE MESSAGE  BARRIER.  >> SO CLARIFY ONE OF THE  THINGS WE DID DISCUSS WAS.  >> THAT IT WOULD IF THE  COMMISSION SO DESIRED THEY  COULD. ADOPT A TEMPORARY OR  DIRECT TEMPORARILY. HOW YOU  CAN FORCE MEANT TO NOT PICK UP  ANY SIGNS IN THE RIGHT NOT  JUST NON-COMMERCIAL WHAT ANY  SIGNAGE IN RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE  TELE POLICIES THOROUGHLY  VETTED REGARDING COMMERCIAL  NON-COMMERCIAL WHAT IS WHAT IS  IT. I DON'T I WOULD NOT WANT  MY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS  TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR TRYING  TO DO IT DIFFERENTIATE AND WIN  AND YOU KNOW MAKE WANT TO WANT  A WINNER. SO. THE COMMISSION  WERE SO INCLINED TO CONSIDER  DIRECTION THAT DIRECTION  SHOULD BE. FORCED TO NOT PICK  UP ANY SIGNAGE AND THE RIGHT  OF WAY FOR SPEARS TO FIND  PERIOD OF TIME. UNDERSTANDING  THAT WE ARE IN RAINY SEASON.  WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON.  AND THOSE SIGNS WILL START  COLLECTING. IT'S NOT UNCOMMON  FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT PICKUP,  50 75 SIGNS IN ONE  INTERSECTION. IF THEY'RE IF  THEY'RE LEFT TO ACCUMULATE FOR  A COUPLE OF WEEKS. THAT'S WHY  WE DON'T INTO THAT YOU KNOW  COUPLE OF WEEKS TYPICALLY. SO  THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK  ABOUT AS FAR AS THE DEBRIS  LATER.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING THAT YES, GO AHEAD.  COMMISSIONER.  >> THE QUESTION FOR STAFF. ON  THE EASY LIST PART OF THAT  YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS  COMING BACK IN AND THEY'RE  GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE  SIGNAGE WITH THEIR TEMPORARY  USE PERMITS. THE QUESTION IS  IS IT JUST ON THE CITY  PROPERTY WHERE THE EVENT IS OR  ARE THOSE SIGNS AVAILABLE TO  GO OUT ANYWHERE WITHIN THE  CITY LIMITS, ADVERTISING THERE  ABOUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET  AT IS THEY HAVEN'T OF THEM ON  THE GREEN AT OUTSIDE CITY  HALL. CAN THEY ADVERTISE DOWN  PRICE DOWN SOMETHING OR. UNDER  THAT GUIDELINES WITH THAT  TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.  >> COMMISSIONER TO CLARIFY  UNDER THE DRAFT REGULATIONS.  THIS SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT  APPLIES TO CITY-OWNED  PROPERTIES SO ONLY A THAT'S  HELD ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES  WILL RECEIVE A SPECIAL EVENT  PERMIT. AND THE SPECIAL EVENT  PERMIT ALLOWANCE CARS AS A  DANCER ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY  ALLOW FOR DISCRETIONARY  APPROVAL OF SIGNAGE ASSOCIATED  WITH THAT AND THAT ON  CITY-OWNED PROPERTY CITY-OWNED  PROPERTY DOES INCLUDE CITY  PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IT'S. THE  TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IS  HEAVIER LEFT THE TEMPORARY USE  PERMIT DOES NOT IS NOT  ACCOMPANIED BY APPROVED  DISCRETIONARY SIGNAGE SO THE  TEMPORARY IS PERMIT APPLIES TO  ANY OF FUNCTIONS SEASONAL  SALES THAT TYPE OF THING ON  PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES AND  THAT IS WHERE WE NEED THE  ADDITIONAL TIME TO PROPERLY  THAT THE BEST APPROACH AS TO  WHETHER THAT IS THE CITY  COMMISSION POLICY FOR CERTAIN  GOVERNMENT SPEECH AS TO  WHETHER THAT IS ATTACHED TO  SOME KIND OF ENDORSEMENT BY  THE CITY. PERHAPS THIS THE  EVENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM MIGHT  BE AN AN AVENUE FOR US TO  PROCEED, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT WE PROPERLY VETTED  WHATEVER WE BRING BACK FOR THE  PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES AND  THE NONPROFITS. AND ENSURE  THAT OUR OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL  HAS REVIEWED THAT POLICY  WHETHER IT'S A SEPARATE  COMMISSION POLICY OR WHETHER  IT'S INCORPORATED AND A  CHAPTER OTHER CHAPTER 5 OF THE  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  THROUGH FUTURE AMOUNT.  >> RIGHT STATED IT. BACKWARDS  I WANTED. MAINLY LIKE A  NONPROFIT IS PUTTING SOMETHING  ON CITY HALL THAT'S THE  SPECIAL EVENTS THAT'S THAT'S  WHAT I MEANT TO GO WITH NOT  THE TEMPORARY USE. MOST OF  THEM ARE SPECIAL EVENTS THEY  HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT.  MY MAIN THING WAS BECAUSE  BEFORE WE HAD TALKS TO WEAR.  IT WAS ONLY ALLOWED ON THAT  PROPERTY. BUT IF IT'S ALLOWED  IN THE CITY RIGHT OF WAYS LIKE  LET'S SAY OVER ON BISCAYNE  THEIR ADVERTISING SOME FOR A  SPECIAL EVENT AT CITY HALL  THAT STILL ALIVE CORRECT.  >> RIGHT RIGHT SO THE DRAFT  REGULATIONS TALK SET CITY  MANAGER OR DESIGNEE IN  AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE  DISCRETIONARY SIGNAGE THAT'S  CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE AND  SCOPE OF THE IMPACT SO EACH  ONE OF THOSE WILL BE TREATED  ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS RATHER  THAN ANY STRICT REGULATORY  LANGUAGE CHAPTER 2 REGARDING  SPECIAL ABOUT BECAUSE IF YOU  HAVE A YOU KNOW A SMALL. IT'S  A FOOD TRUCK ABOUT YOU HAVE A  SMALL TRUCK EVENT AS A  NONPROFIT TO RAISE MONEY FOR  YOUR COSTS THAT IS A SMALLER  AND THEN AND THEN SAY FOR  CONCERT THAT'S EXPECTED TO  HAVE 10,000 PEOPLE. SO THAT  THE CITY SOME DISCRETION AS  TO. HOW MUCH SIGNAGE IS  CONSISTENT WITH THAT OF THE OF  THE REACH OF THE OF THEM OUT  INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT  WAS SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED  BY OUR OUTSIDE COUNCIL NOT TO  SPECIFY NUMBER. LOCATION OR  SIZE OF. I'M A SIGNAGE FOR  EVENTS ON CITY PROPERTY SO  THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THE  DRAFT IT WAS IN THE DRAFT THAT  WAS WORKSHOP FOR YOU LAST TIME  AND IT WILL BE ON THE FORMAL  WHEN WE BRING IT A LOT.  >> FIND I UNDERSTAND THAT NOW  AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT  THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING  THROUGH NOW GET THEIR POWERS  BUT FOR ONE THEY HAVE A  SPECIAL EVENT SO I JUST WANTED  THAT CLARIFIED SO THANK YOU  VERY MUCH.  >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> SO I THINK THE ASK IS TO  HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT. NOT  PICK UP ANY SIGNAGE IN THE  RIGHT WAY. I HAD ASKED AT THE  VERY BEGINNING OF THIS  CONVERSATION CAN BE  DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ON  COMMERCIAL AND COMMERCIAL  PROPERTIES WITH THAT TYPE OF  SIGNAGE BECAUSE THE DISCUSSION  IS ABOUT NON COMMERCIAL. SO  IMMEDIATELY I GO TO NONPROFIT  SO CAN WE DIFFERENTIATE THE  BUILDING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL  AND NON COMMERCIAL AND 2  TEAMS. I'M HEARING NO, BUT I  WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT I'M  HEARING IS ACCURATE.  >> I WOULD SAY IN THE SHORT  TERM MY ANSWER WOULD BE NO  BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME  THAT THAT.  >> I WANT IT TO BE VERY CLEAR  WHAT'S CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL  WHAT'S CONSIDERED NON  COMMERCIAL AND I WOULD WANT  OUR.  >> LEGAL COUNSEL TO THAT THOSE  DEFINITIONS RATHER THAN TRYING  TO PLACE THE BURDEN ON A CODE  ENFORCEMENT OUT SO.  >> THE ASK IS STILL ON THE  TABLE WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY  MOTION AT HEARING VICE MAYOR  HE'S WANTING CODE ENFORCEMENT  TO JUST STOP PICKING UP NEW IT  SAID VERY EMPHATICALLY ALSO.  MY CONCERNS ARE HEAR THE  REASONING BEHIND IT. HE'LL SO  MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES  OF THAT ASK. IT IS RAINING,  IT'S GOING TO BE RAINY SEASON  IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.  THANKFULLY.  >> AND OUR OUR CREWS ARE OUT  THERE MOWING THE GRASS THEY'RE  GOING TO HAVE TO MOW AROUND  ALL OF THAT SIGNAGE.  >> 2 WHILE WE ARE THINKING  THESE LITTLE TINY LITTLE  SIGNS, YOU KNOW WHAT IS IT. 18  BY 20 OR WHATEVER. THOSE  LITTLE SIGNS HOPE IN YOUR  YARD. IT COULD BE AND THAT  CONCERNS ME WITH LINE OF  SIGHT. SO TO ME THAT IS ALSO  AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE AND  THEN THE 3RD THING IS WELL. I  CAN LOOK PAST TOP MANAGER. THE  RIGHT OF WAYS AND ALONG THE  ROADWAYS. MANY PEOPLE CAN'T SO  ANOTHER UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES A AS THE CITY  STARTING TO LOOK. SO FOR THOSE  REASONS. I AM GRATEFUL VICE  MAYOR BROUGHT THIS FORWARD FOR  THE PAST AND BUT I CAN'T  SUPPORT LEAVING ALL SIGNS IN  THE RIGHT AWAY. FOR THOSE  REASONS THAT I STATED SO I YOU  KNOW I WILL BE MY BELIEFS  GROUND.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH, A FINAL COMMENT FROM  ME WHEN THIS MATTER FIRST CAME  BEFORE US LAST YEAR THINK IT  WAS I TOOK THE TIME TO READ  SEVERAL OF THE OPINIONS CHECK  THE VARIOUS SUPREME COURT  JUSTICES HAVE WRITTEN ON THIS  TOPIC AND SEVERAL OF THEM  OPINED ABOUT HOW THIS POLICY  MIGHT BE IMPLEMENTED AT THE  LOCAL LEVEL. AND THERE WAS  ABSOLUTELY NO AGREEMENT THAT  SHOWED COULD HAPPEN. SO IN MY  MIND TO PUT CODE ENFORCEMENT  OFFICERS.  >> IN THE POSITION OF HAVING  FIGURE THAT OUT IN THE MOMENT  ON THE STREET. WHEN THE  SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WITH  THAT. THIS COULDN'T AGREE JUST  IT JUST IS IS NOT NOT JUST WE  SHOULDN'T DO SO I'M I'M NOT  SUPPORTIVE I FORWARD WITH ARE  YOU ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I  JUST HAD A QUESTION  >> PROPERTY THOSE SIGNS ARE  STILL PERMITTED AND THINKING  IN TERMS POLITICAL SIGN,  WHATEVER THE GUIDELINES ARE  COASTLINES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW  THAT IS IT HAS PRIVATE  PROPERTY CAN PUT IT ON ANY  RIGHT OF WAYS YOU NEVER COULD  PUT IT SON FREE EXPRESSION  SIGNAGE ARE IS ALLOWED ON.  >> PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHT IS A  MATTER IF IT'S A POLITICAL  SIGN OR SOMEBODY JUST WANTS TO  SAY HAVE A NICE DAY SO YES,  THEY CAN STILL SIGNAGE  ACCORDING TO THE REGULATIONS  IT IS NOT BASED ON WHAT IT  SAYS.  >> THEY ARE STILL ALLOWED TO  DO THAT BROUGHT UP I WAS  BROUGHT UP ABOUT CHURCHES  HAVING LIKE WHEN THEY HAVE  VERY STRICT ON TO SAME PEOPLE  ARE STILL ALLOWED SIGNAGE ON  THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND I'M  ON THE BUT THAT OUT THEY WERE  ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO BECAUSE  IT'S THEIR OWN EXPRESSION OF  THAT REST SO I JUST WANT TO  CLARIFY THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT  IS IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU  STILL CAN EXPRESS YOURSELF,  IT'S JUST WHERE HAVING  DISCUSSIONS ABOUT YEAH OKAY.  ALL RIGHT VICE MAYOR.  >> APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION  BECAUSE YOU KNOW I PRETTY GOOD  GAUGE ON WHERE BUT HE SAID  THAT. I WOULD SAY. AND THEN I  WILL MAKE A MOTION ANYWAY.  >> OUTSIDE COUNSEL WAS VERY  CLEAR THAT WE HAVE THE LEGAL  ABILITY TO DIFFERENTIATE  BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND  NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE AND  QUITE FRANKLY. I DON'T SEE.  HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE FOR  ANYONE. TO GO UP OR DOWN ANY  ROAD AND LOOK AT SIGNS AND  DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY  WERE COMMERCIAL OR NOT  COMMERCIAL. APPRECIATE.  DIRECTOR RACE POSITION ON  THIS.  >> SO I'M GOING TO MAKE MY  MOTION ANYWAY AND THEN  EVERYBODY'S ON RECORD.  >> FOR ALL THOSE PARTIES WHO  HAVE. A FESTIVE INTEREST IN  THIS. PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO IT.  MAYORS ARE RIGHT.  >> HAVE THAT'S RIGHT ON THE  COMMENT, I'M SORRY NOT JUST  LEFT.  >> UNDERSTAND MISTER STOKES  THE SAME. IF YOU DRIVE AROUND  THE CITY RIGHT NOW YOU CAN  TELL THAT EVERY POLITICAL  CANDIDATE ON THE PLANET IS  PUTTING SIGNS EVERYWHERE.  UNDERSTAND SOME OF AREA SO  MIGHT UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S  DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK AT.  WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER A VERY. A  SEASON WHERE OUR NONPROFIT  WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE  ABILITY ADVERTISE. SUMMER LONG  WE'RE GOING TO USE EVENTS THE  FED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF  OUR SPORT LEAGUES GO. I KNOW  CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING AND  ALL THAT. SO ONLY THING IS ALL  I KNOW YOU HAVE A FEAR OF IT  JUST BEING COMPLETE TRASH OF  SIDES. BUT LET'S UNDERSTAND  THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE MORE  SIGNS AND YOU NEVER WANT TO  SAY IN THE SENATE. AND IF WE  PROBLEMS TO GET SOME MORE  ABOUT NOT SAYING THE BIG ISSUE  WITH THAT THAT'S WHERE I STAND  BY THE WEIRD BUT YOU KNOW JUST  IT THAT THAT CITY SO COVERED  UNSOLVED ALREADY WITH THE  POLITICS IF OUR NONPROFITS GET  A CHANCE TO GET IT OUT. AND  GET A GOOD THAT ONE UP. THANK  YOU.  >> THAT IT OK. I BUY SOMETHING  YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION  EVERY CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY  DIRECTING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT  DIVISION TO NOT REMOVE  NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS LOCATED  IN THE CITY'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF  WAYS TO REMAIN EFFECT UNTIL  NOON REGULATIONS REGARDING  SIGNS LOCATED IN THE CITY'S  PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY SORT STOPPED  BY CITY COMMISSION.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY A VICE MAYOR APPROVE  THE TEMPORARY CODE ENFORCEMENT  POLICY DIRECTING THE  ENFORCEMENT DIVISION TO NOT  REMOVE NON COMMERCIAL SIGNS  LOCATED RIGHT. AWAY TO REMAIN  IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON  REGULATIONS REGARDING SIGNS  LOCATED IN THE CITY'S PUBLIC  RIGHT AWAY ARE ADOPTED BY THE  CITY COMMISSION. LOOKING FOR A  SECOND.  >> I'M GOING TO SECOND THAT  OKAY WE HAVE A SECOND BY  COMMISSIONER. I'M RICH WANT TO  SPEAK TO THAT COMMISSIONER  EMERGE.  >> YEAH BECAUSE THE MOTION IS  TO DIRECT STAFF NOT TO PICK  THEM UP THIS NOT TO CREATE A  POLICY IS NOT TAKEN TIME DOING  THAT. IT'S JUST PUTTING A  DIRECTION OUT THERE DON'T THE  LEAGUE DECIDED SO. AGREE WITH  VICE MAYOR ON THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT TOO WE HAVE  ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON  THAT.  >> I'LL JUST SPEAK THAT AGAIN  I THINK WE'RE PUTTING OUR CODE  ENFORCEMENT IN A POSITION OF  HAVING TO DISCERN COMMERICAL  AND NON-COMMERCIAL I JUST  DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE AS  SIMPLE AS HAS BEEN PRESENTED  HERE.  >> YES I ECHO THAT ONE WHEN IT  WAS CLARIFIED THAT. IT WOULD  HAVE TO AND NOT JUST  NON-COMMERCIAL 5. SO THAT WAS  MY. HAVE EVER WANT TO CALL IT  THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME SO.  WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC  COMMENT WE HAVE ANOTHER  DISCUSSION TO WANT VOTE OK.  VICE MAYOR. I MEAN, YES. MAYOR  ISN'T COMMISSIONER LANGDON  IT'S A NO MCDOWELL KNOW.  >> COMMISSIONER EMRICH  COMMISSIONER YES.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT DOES NOT  PASS 2 TO  >> REASONS I JUST SENT IT IS  BECAUSE OF THE UNINTENDED  CONSEQUENCES. AND OKAY.  >> BUT JUST TO CLARIFY THIS  THIS PART OF YOU KNOW THEY SAY  I'M SORRY JUST SENT THIS I  THINK BACK SEPARATELY THE SIGN  PART IT'S GOING TO BE.  SEPARATE FROM. THE ULDC THAT'S  COMING BACK.  >> IN GENERAL WHAT DO I HAVE  THAT SO THE SIGN CODE IS A  SEPARATE CHAPTER. YES, IT IS  COMING AS A SEPARATE ORDINANCE  BUT IT'S COMING AT THE SAME  TIME AND WILL BE ADOPTED AT  THE SAME  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY  MUCH. I JUST SO THOUGH THE  LIST OF PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS  NOT DEAD BROUGHT UP  RESURRECTED. YEAH. I WE OWE  OBAMA WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO  DON'T JUST BREAK.  >> MUCH NO. I DON'T KNOW HOW  LONG THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING  ♪ >> TO AT LEAST MAYBE 15 I HAVE  A FEELING IT'S GOING TO BE A  VERY LENGTHY DISCUSSION IF  THAT WAS A DISCUSSION I HAVE  RIGHT AND THIS NEXT ONE IS  GOING TO BE A WELL MAYBE NEXT  JUST TAKE A HALF-HOUR GRAB  SOMEONE YEAH, THEM WERE THERE.  >> THE NEXT DAY I WILL SAY AND  THEN IT'S THE BOB GOT ON HER  ABOUT BUT WANT TO THANK OUR  LUNCH WELL CAPITAL.  >> THAT YEAH OKAY IT'S 12 14  SO AT 1244, WE  ♪ >> WILL RETURN.  >> I GO OUT AND I AGREE THE  NEW RESIDENTS TONIGHT.  >> EDUCATE THEM ON RECYCLE  EXCELLENT SOUNDS INTERESTING  VERY SO MARIO WHAT HE FOUND  INSIDE THE RECYCLING BIN  SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S  TRY TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO  RECYCLE  ♪ >> MOST COMMON THING I FIND  FRANK PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM  ♪ AND MISSION DECIDEDLY  CONTAINED THAT'S RIGHT INSIDE  THE BLUE CONTAINERS. AND THEY  SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN BACK TO  THE GROCERY STORE OR TOSS IN  THE TRASH EVERY YOU SEE A LOT  OF RECYCLING INSIDE THE  CONTAINERS OF I COME ACROSS A  LOT OKAY I WANT TO DO THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE YOU ATE LAST MINUTE TO  PACK THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOING  TO BE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE GOING  TO FORGET AND THE SCRAMBLE TO  GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO  IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOUR  DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S  INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR  YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES  AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF  YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL  THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU  AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU  DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING  THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO  REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN  YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD  THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS  YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD  OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO  YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO  THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE  ♪ BATTERY POWERED RADIO READY IN  TUNED IN TO 97 POINT.  >> I'M STACEY LOS ALE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN PLUG DOWNS AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS. SO FLOOD  ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL  FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO  DETERMINE IF YOU NEED FLOOD  INSURANCE IF YOU HAVE A  MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME. NOW THE  EVACUATION ZONES ARE BASED ON  STORM SURGE DATA THAT COMES  FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE  CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE MY YOUR HOUSE IS  NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER  ♪ STORM EVENT.  >> WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT  SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS AFTER THE  STORM. THAT ALLOWS THE FILTER  TO GET THE STUFF THAT CAME FOR  ROOM AND THE ROAD OUT OF THE  WATER SO THAT WHEN  ♪ REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO  LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS  IT ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT THEIR ROADS.  >> ROADWAYS ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN ONLY YOU KNOW UP  TO 72 HOURS SINCE THE  ♪ >> LAST RAIN THAT IS NOT  LETTING THAT IS DOING ITS JOB.  >> HELLO MY NAME'S A VAN FULL  PRODUCTS FACILITY MANAGER WITH  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT AND  TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED  EVALUATIONS SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  MORE DOING THAT'S SOMETHING  THAT YOU ATION IS EVERY SWIM  LEVEL HAS WHAT'S CALLED EXIT  SKILL ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE  DO IS WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET  IN THE WATER AND WILL GO  THROUGH A SERIES OF DIFFERENT  MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO INTO THE  WATER I CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR  PHONE CALL CAN YOU SHOW US  BACK ALL SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK  DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND  WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE  TRYING TO SEE. YOUR CHILD TEST  TO BEFORE IT BECOMES A  CHALLENGE FOR AT THAT POINT  WHAT WE ASSESS THAT THAT WILL  LET YOU KNOW AND YOU CAN GO  AHEAD AND SIGN YOUR CHILD UP  FOR THAT APPROPRIATE LEVEL  THERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE  HAVE THESE SO THAT WAY WHEN  WE'RE TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE  DON'T HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM  A VALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE  YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LASALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT FOR  EVERYBODY IN YOUR FAMILY CAN  SEE IT AND KEEP IT FRESH IN  THEIR MINDS AND YOU WANT TO  ALSO SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE IN  YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR NEIGHBORS  SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT YOUR  PLANS ARE AHEAD OF TIME AND  HOW TO GET A HOLD OF YOUR WAY  TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER A  DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S  HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM OPTION WOULD BE GO  TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH MORE  COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK AWAY  SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION  WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR  EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA  COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY  SHUNS CENTER'S.  ♪ THOSE CAN BE FOUND ON THEIR  WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS NORTH  PORT NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HACHI CREEK ALSO  KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S GROWTH BUT  ALSO TO UPSTREAM RUNOFF AND  THE DESOTO MANATEE AND  SARASOTA COUNTY PORTIONS OF  THE BIG SLOW. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS  PONDING CAN ALSO OCCUR PONDING  OCCURS AND LOW-LYING AREAS  THAT ARE CHARACTERIZED BY  POORLY DRAINED OR SUPER  SATURATED SOILS WITH  BACK-TO-BACK RAINFALL EVENTS  THE GROUND IS TOTALLY  SATURATED WHICH INCREASES THE  RUNOFF DURING A STORM. THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  ITS STORMWATER CONVEYANCE  SYSTEM WHICH IS COMPRISED OF  ROADSIDE SWALES DRAINING INTO  79 MILES OF NAMED WATERWAYS.  >> AND 132 MILES OF RETENTION  DITCHES THAT INTERCONNECT WITH  EACH OTHER AND WITH THE MYAKKA  HACHI CREEK. THERE ARE 64  WATER CONTROL STRUCTURES OF  WHICH 23 ARE GATED WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES 5 ARE GATED  DROP STRUCTURES, 28 ARE FIXED.  WE'RE STRUCTURES AND 8 ARE  DROPPED STRUCTURES. THE  CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA HACHI  CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS RESTORE  THE FLOW CAPACITY OF THE  WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS  PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN VANCE CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE  IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT  RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO  RESPONSE IN RECOVERY MODE  QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE  OUT THERE.  >> OH MY GOSH.  ♪ >> EVERYONE MY NAME IS MARIO  OF NVIDIA I AM THE PLAN OR  SCHEDULE OR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SOLID WASTE A  GOOD INTO THIS POSITION. FIRST  I WAS RECYCLED DRIVER FOR 5  YEARS FOR THE AND THEN I  BECAME THE PLAN A SCHEDULE  AFTER TAKING AN INTEREST  EDUCATING RESIDENTS ON HOW TO  RECYCLE PROPERLY MY POSITION  MY DAY-TO-DAY USUALLY I START  OUT BY VISITING THE NEW  RESIDENTS THAT SCHEDULE  GARBAGE AND RECYCLING  CONTAINERS TO BE DELIVERED AND  I WILL GO SEE THEM AND EDUCATE  THEM ON A SOLID WASTE  GUIDELINES MORE LESS MORE  FOCUSED RECYCLE PART OF AFTER  THAT I WILL DRIVE AROUND THE  CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT  RECYCLED CONTAINERS MANUALLY.  ♪ FOR CONTAMINATION. AND THEN I  WILL TAKE CALLS FROM DRIVERS  IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES  ♪ WITHOUT REPEAT. GARBAGE IN  RECYCLE AND I WILL GO EDUCATE  THE WHAT I LOVE MOST ABOUT THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT IS THERE  ARE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD.  ♪ I GET TO LEARN ABOUT THE SOLID  WASTE GUIDELINES WHEN THEY  COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE  THEM ON THE CITY NORTH PORT'S  ALWAYS GUIDELINES HOW TO  ♪ RECYCLE PROPERLY.  >> BELIEVE THAT THE NATURAL  RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WILL BE  INTEGRAL PART FOR THE CITY'S  GROWTH IS WE WANT TO ACHIEVE A  MORE BALANCED APPROACH OF  DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE WHAT  WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS SEE  SENSIBLE DEVELOPMENT  SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.  >> AND ABOUT A MONTH THAT IN  LYON WAIVES WHAT WE DO HAVE  ALREADY HAVE HASTENED WE WANT  TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN  OF NATURAL RESOURCES, SO THAT  IS STILL PLACE FULL ON EXTRA  ZAW ALL MIKE WRITING BAD  SADDLE THE OF THE SPECIES THAT  SURVIVED IT ALL HABITAT THAT  ROLE SYSTEMS. BIG PART OF.  >> THE WAYS YOU CALL SYSTEMS  FUNCTION AND IMPORTANT PARTS  FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LIST  THE SPECIES THEY STABILIZE THE  SOIL THEY PROVIDES SO MANY  DIFFERENT BENEFITS, INCLUDING  SHADE LIMITING THE HEAT ISLAND  EFFECTS WITHIN OUR CITY  PROVIDING HABITAT PROVIDING  SHELTER FOR  ♪ THE SPECIES. JUST TO ALSO FOR  OUR IS THAT HE CAN JOIN MINCE  WELL AS AN A LOT OF WHAT I DO  IS.  >> MAKING SURE THAT  DEVELOPMENT CONFORMS TO THE  TREE PROTECTION CODE SO ONE  THING WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE  SINCE APRIL OF 2022. IS A TREE  PROTECTION CODE WHICH IS QUITE  ROBUST AND THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY  COMMISSION AND THE CITY ALSO A  LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT  AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO  HAVE THE TREE PROTECTION CODE  SO.  >> WHAT A LOT OF WHAT I DO IS  MAKING SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT  IN THE RESIDENTIAL OR  COMMERCIAL CONFORMS TO THAT  CODE WE OFF SUCH A PASSIONATE  TAME WE COME FROM.  >> FACT I THINK BETWEEN US WE  HAVE A 100 OF EXPERIENCE AS WE  ARE EVERY RIGHT WING TO GO OUT  AND YOU KNOW WE KNOW WHAT HE'S  CUT OUT. WITH A HAPPY TO  ♪ TAKE THE CHALLENGE TO DIVISION  COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.  >> AND LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY  WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE GREAT  STRIDES AND PROTECTING WHAT WE  HAVE HERE AND FINDING THAT  BALANCE WITH DEVELOPMENT AND  ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP, I'M  EXCITED TO BE A PART OF THIS  TEAM REALLY.  >> SEEKING AND LOOKING FORWARD  TO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO  BE ABLE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.  ♪ >> REX HAS A FULL CLASS TRX  CAMP IS A NEW CLASS FOR ME,  ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN USING TRS  FOR MANY YEARS WITH PERSONAL  TRAINING THAT I DO OR IN OTHER  STYLES CLASSES THAT I'VE DONE.  BUT AN ACTUAL FOCUS WITH JUST  TRX THIS IS A NEW CLASSROOM. I  LOVE THE CAMARADERIE TO SAY  WITH ALL  ♪ THE PARTICIPANTS. I THINK WE  HAVE A LOT OF FUN. FIRST OF  ALL EVERYONE GETS TO THE MANS  THAT YEAR EXPENSE OF BEING  THAT WE HAVE 5 STATIONS SO WE  HAVE OVERFLOW OR MORE THAN 5  PEOPLE. PART OF THE PEOPLE ON  THEM AND THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE  DOING FOR WORK AND THEN WE'LL  SWITCH SO EVERYBODY GETS AN  OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN ALL  STATIONS JUST COME HAVE FUN  WITH IT MAKING YOUR OWN IT'S  NOT SCARY. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO  BE INTIMIDATING AT ALL YOU'RE  USING YOUR BODY WEIGHT USING  THE ANGLES THAT YOU CHOOSE TO  USE ON THE MAN'S AND IT JUST  VARIES WITH HOW YOU'RE  COMFORTABLE AND HOW YOU'RE  FEELING WHEN YOU'RE HERE.  >> STARTED CHARLOTTE COUNTY  UTILITIES AS A METER READER IN  2004. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE  I GOT MY FOOT IN THE DOOR AND  WANT REACH A POINT MY LIFE OR  THINGS ARE MORE STABLE AND I  DECIDED TO LEAVE CHARLOTTE  COUNTY UTILITIES. AND I WENT  AND GOT MY INTERNS LICENSE  THOSE VERY EXCITING DOING THAT  FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME,  BUT AFTER A WHILE I STARTED  THINKING ABOUT THE UTILITY. IT  WAS IN MY HEART AT THIS POINT  I HAD ALMOST 12 JUST 2 MONTHS,  SHY OF 12 YEARS AND AND SO I  REALIZED DURING THAT TIME. MY  HEART WAS IN UTILITIES AND SO  I STARTED LOOKING AROUND AGAIN  I THINK OPENING HERE ABC IN  THE SO I APPLIED AND I GOT IN  TYPICALLY I GET HERE AT 7 IN  THE MORNING. I GET MY LIST YOU  KNOW IF I CAN GET TO THIS THIS  IS WHAT I NEED TO DO AND.  >> I GET IN MY TRUCK, IF I  NEED ANY SUPPLIES PARTS TOOLS  BASED OFF OF THE WORK I WAS  GIVEN THAT MORNING, I'LL PICK  THAT UP HERE AT OUR SHOP AND  THEN I HEAD OUT IN THEM.  MICHAEL FOR THE DAYS TO GET AS  MUCH WORK AS THAT WAS ASSIGNED  TO DONE AS POSSIBLE. AND  SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS AND  OTHER TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF  FIRST RESPONSE CALLS THAT COME  IN MY FAVORITE PART IS THE  UNIQUENESS NOT KNOWING WHAT  I'M GOING TO BE FACED WITH  EVERY DAY IT COULD BE  DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT MUNDANE IN  ANY WAY.  >> AND IT'S EXCITING WHEN YOU  GET A CALL AND YOU'RE YOU'RE  ON YOUR WAY YOU DON'T KNOW  WHAT IT IS AND YOU YOU HAVE  THE EXPERIENCE AND THE  KNOW-HOW AND THE BACKING TO  FACE WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE  SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN  FACING THESE CALLS AND I THINK  THAT'S FRONT PART.  >> PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO  THE NORTH PORT. HERE TODAY,  WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT.  >> CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT.  >> IF A PERSON WANTS TO PLAY  SET OUT WHAT YOU THINK PLACE  OUT WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS THE  WRONG THING BASICALLY FRANK  ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FIT IN  THE CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE  IS GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING  TO STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S  NOT ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES  CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1658  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE COULD PICK ANY  QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S NOT  GIVE US A CALL 941-240-8050.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOVES YOU OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  RESPONDERS TO GET THE STORM  AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  FOR THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A  STANDARD USUALLY COSTS AND  OTHER SO WE WILL HAVE A  BACKLOG CALLS THAT HAVE COME  IN DURING THE STORM THAT WILL  PRIORITIZE BASED AND  RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE  CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON  THEM. ALSO ON THE ROADS MIGHT  BE FLOODED. THERE MIGHT BE  DEBRIS IN THE ROADS ARE  TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS WILL  BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY TO  CLEAR THE ROADS ANY HOUSERS A  SKILL  ♪ THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN GET  THROUGH AND RESPOND THE CAUSE.  JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN  YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR  CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE  ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO  CARE ABOUT OUR RESIDENT AND  THAT SAFETY BUT IT MAY JUST  TAKE A WHILE FOR US TO GET TO  THE ON LIST OF THE  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS. YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY AND BE A PART IT  IS THEY ARE GOING SEE THAT  STORM SURGE FLOODING OVER NEXT  OR SO STORM SURGE IS STRONG  SUSTAINED WHEN ARE CONSTANTLY  GOING OVER A LONG PERIOD OF  TIME OVER THE GOAL PUSHING  WATER UP TO SHORE NOT HAPPEN.  THERE'S A LOT OF FLOODING A  LOT OF BEACH EROSION ALONG  TEACHER AND THE HOME. HOWEVER  THIS STORM CAN ALSO PUSH WATER  OF THE RIVER PUSHED ON THE  MYAKKA RIVER FOR INSTANCE, AGO  AND THEN THE WATER COMING  DOWNSTREAM FROM THE RIVER HAS  ORDERED TO DO. BECAUSE WATER  TO BACK FLOODING THAT ALONG  WITH A LOT OF RAIN THAT COMES  FROM ALSO CAUSED INCREASE OF  WATER FLOODING INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING WELL. PUBLIC  WORKS WITH A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR WEAKNESS WANT JUST STORM  SURGE AND FLOODING IN OUR  WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU WANT  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON  ♪ THAT EVERYBODY ABOUT A LOT  FOLKS  >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL SOME OF THE  AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR  PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT  WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH  PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO  TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR  FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE  RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY  UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE  LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR  CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE  AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS FLOATING BEFORE  WE ACTUALLY LEARNED SWIMMING.  THIS PROGRAM IS TARGETED FOR  THOSE CHILDREN AGES 6 MONTHS  TO AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO  IS WE WANT THEM TO GET  COMFORTABLE IN THE WATER AND  IF THEY ACTUALLY FALL IN THE  WATER OR FIND THEMSELVES IN A  TROUBLED SITUATION, THEY CAN  ROLL OVER THEIR BACK AND FLOAT  WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM  WE WERE THE ONLY ONE IN THE  STATE THAT WAS ACTUALLY  TEACHING THIS MILESTONE  PROGRAM SO WANT TO GIVE A  SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH ROTARY  AS WELL WHO SPONSORED THIS  PROGRAM HERE AT THE AQUATIC  CENTER AND ACTUALLY PAY FOR A  TRY. IT IS 1244 AND WE ARE  BACK.  >> TO CONTINUE WITH OUR  MEETING WE'RE MOVING ON.  >> TO ITEM C 24 DASH 0, 8, 0,  9,  >> THIS IS DISCUSSION AND  POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING  APPOINTING COMMISSIONERS FOR  THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.  >> COMMITTEES CITY CLERK.  >> THIS IS YOUR ITEM YES EACH  YEAR, THE COMMISSION REVIEWS  AND APPOINT MEMBERS TO THE 5  LEGISLATIVE POLICY COMMITTEES,  THE LEGISLATIVE ACTION  COMMITTEE AND FEDERAL ACTION  STRIKE TEAM WHICH IS FAST. THE  DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTAL AS  AUGUST 1920 24. ADDITIONALLY  COMMISSION ALL NEED TO APPOINT  A COMMISSIONER TO BE THE  BOATING DELEGATE FOR THE  FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES  ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN AUGUST.  AND THIS COMMITTEE  APPOINTMENTS WILL BE BROUGHT  IN NOVEMBER AFTER ELECTION AS  WELL FOR ANY CHANGES THAT WILL  NEED TO BE MADE THEN AND I  DIDN'T PROVIDE TO SUGGESTED  MOTIONS FOR THAT COMMITTEES AS  WELL AS FOR GETTING DELEGATES.  OKAY. ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT  SEEING ANY QUESTIONS.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> STARTED OFF I'D LIKE TO  STAY ON MY LAND USE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.  >> WE ONE.  >> TO STAY. ANYBODY ELSE TO DO  ALL STAY ON MY TAXATION  >> VICE MAYOR YEAH, I GUESS SO  STAND ONE NO STAY THAT.  >> COMMISSIONER AMATEUR YOU  THAT. STATION. ARIEL.  >> ALL RIGHT DID YOU WERE  SAYING THAT THEY ARE  COMMITTEES NOW.  >> I GUESS YOU DIDN'T MASK AND  YEAH, I'M STAYING ON MINE  TRANSPORTATION.  >> OKAY. AND YES, MINE WHICH  IS A LITTLE I HAVE I THINK IT  SIMPLE.  >> I WOULD JUST I UNDERSTAND  THAT THE CYCLE IS KIND OF  UNUSUAL THIS YEAR BECAUSE NO  BECAUSE THESE DATES. NOVEMBER  8TH,  DECEMBER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.  BOARD MEMBERS.  >> SO YES, IT'S NOT ELECTION  YEAR YEAH LEGISLATIVE SESSION  I DON'T EVER REMEMBER DOING  THIS BEFORE WHERE WE WERE  SAYING A SEAT AND THEN YOU  KNOW PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T EVEN  GOING TO BE HERE OK SO FOR NOW  JUST TO SAY YES WE'RE GOING TO  STAY IN OUR SEATS BUT THEN WE  ALSO A POINT. SOMEONE TO THE  FEDERAL ACTION STRIKE. TEAM  FAST.  >> ACTION COMMITTEE WHICH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  CURRENTLY SERVES SHE ALSO IS  THE FEDERAL ACTION STRIKE  TEAM. SHE POINT OUT AS WELL OK  YOU KNOW LESTER, YOU TO I SHOW  I YES.  >> YEAH I'M THERE BECAUSE THE  LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS LATE.  >> IN THE.  >> SEASON I THERE'S NO POINT  ME BEING AN ADVOCACY SO IF  SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO  TAKE THE THAT WOULD BE  FANTASTIC ONLY BECAUSE THERE'S  NO POINT ME GOING FOR.  >> I DON'T EVEN THINK POINT  MEETING.  >> HIS LEGISLATION DOESN'T  START UNTIL JANUARY THIS.  SOMEBODY ELSE CAN TAKE THAT  ROLLOVER I CAN I CAN TELL YOU  IT IS EXTREMELY REWARDING THE  DISCUSSION THAT THEY HAVE YOU  REALLY GET INTO THE MEAT  POTATOES OF STATE LEGISLATIVE  SESSION AND REALLY GET A GOOD  UNDERSTANDING OF THE BILLS  COMING THROUGH. BUT AS FAR AS  THE COMMITTEE I AM DEFINITELY  WANTING TO STAY AT BY LAND  BEEN DOING IT FOR 8 YEARS I  MADE A LOT OF FRIENDS THERE  AND THEN.  >> YES, RIGHT I'M I'M ONCE YOU  GET TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE  SUBJECT IS AND WHAT THEY'RE  FOCUSED ON SUSPECTS EASIER TO.  >> RESEARCH THAT WITH OTHER  MUNICIPALITIES STARTING A  WHOLE LESSON PLAN OKAY SO.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES MAYOR  I WOULD PROPOSE.  >> THE ASSIGNMENT TO THE  POLICY COMMITTEE AND ADVOCATE  ADVOCACY FOR ME COMMITTEE  SHOULD BE TAKEN BY  COMMISSIONERS AREN'T UP FOR  REELECTION. JUST TO ENSURE  THAT THERE ISN'T ANY  DISRUPTION OF THOSE  ASSIGNMENTS IN NOVEMBER, WHEN  WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER FOR THOSE.  >> BUT THEY YEAH YEAH WE HAVE  TO DO IT. I THINK IT'S DOESN'T  START UNTIL AFTER THE NOVEMBER  ELECTION. RIGHT AND THEN VICE  MAYOR IS DOING THAT CORRECT.  >> I I WAS DOING FAST ACTION I  WAS GOING TO I MEAN I WOULD DO  BOTH. I WOULD I MEAN I KNOW  AFTER NOVEMBER MAY BE BUSY  WITH OTHER STUFF TOO BUT. I DO  LIKE THE STUFF AND I THINK  IT'S IMPORTANT.  >> ABOUT MISSION OR YES, WHAT  ABOUT MISTER AND RICH.  >> YEAH I'D LIKE TO WAIT TILL  AFTER NOVEMBER NOT DO WHATEVER  I'M JUST KIDDING.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I'M LOOKING  FOR ANYBODY MAKE THE MOTION  AHEAD. YES I MAKE A MOTION TO  APPROVE THE CONTINUED  APPOINTMENTS OF THE CURRENT  COMMISSIONERS APPOINTED TO THE  FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE POLICY  COMMITTEES HEARING. OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE DO HAVE A  MOTION TO MADE BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TO APPROVE THE  CONTINUE TO APARTMENTS OF THE  CURRENT COMMISSIONERS  APPOINTED TO THE FLORIDA  LEGISLATIVE POLICY COMMITTEE.  THAT'S IT AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT  VOTE JUST ON THAT VOICE VOTE  VICE MAYOR ON THE MAYOR IS A  YES COMMISSIONER LANGDON A  YES. WELL, YES, COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE. YES ALL RIGHT SO WE  HAVE 5 TO 0 THAT PASSES FOR  THAT. WE WANT TO SEPARATE  MOTION FOR SECOND MOTION. TO  INSTRUCT THE CITY CLERK TO  BRING BACK.  >> THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY  COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT AND THE  FEDERAL ACTION STRIKE TEAM  APPOINTMENT.  >> AT THE NOVEMBER. I'M AT A  NOVEMBER MEETING.  >> SECOND DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  FOR THE CITY CLERK TO BRING  BACK. YOU REPEAT THAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL STARTED  BRINGING BACK THE LEGISLATIVE  ADVOCACY COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT  AND THE FEDERAL ACTIONS STRIKE  TEAM.  >> APPOINTMENT TO A MEETING IN  NOVEMBER.  >> WHEN NOVEMBER.  >> AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON YES, THE  DISCUSSION OR I HAVE A  QUESTION FOR CITY CLERK. IS  THE LEAGUE OF CITIES LOOKING  FOR THOSE ASSIGNMENTS ALONG  WITH THE OTHER IS.  >> I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ON  THEIR PAGE WITH A DATE FOR  CAN'T OKAY. ALL RIGHT AND I  HAVE A SECOND ALL RIGHT.  >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL  RIGHT SO WE WILL DO VOICE.  THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON  THIS CORRECT THERE IS NOT I  MEAN IT DOESN'T SAY BUT OKAY.  VICE MAYOR YEAH, I MEAN, YES.  THERE'S A YES I'M CS YES  COMMISSIONER ELRICH.  >> YES.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THE PAST I TO  THIS THANKS PUTTING THAT OUT I  THINK THAT WAS A LOT EASIER TO  DIGEST. GET THAT WAY.  >> MOVING ON ITEM D 24 DASH 0,  8, 2, 0 YES, WE DO HAVE ONE  UNDERNEATH THERE YEAH SOMEBODY  HAS VOTING DELEGATE FOR THE  2020 JUST SAW THAT SORRY ABOUT  THAT. AND A HARD TO DO.  >> THIS DOES HAVE A DATE TO  SUBMIT TO THEM. THEY SENT AN  EMAIL FOR THIS ONE. AS BY JULY  31ST, THEY KNEW THE PERSON.  TODAY THE OF IT OKAY.  >> AND WE'RE GOING TO THE  NATIONAL LEAGUE CITIES  CONFERENCE IN 15 TO 7, IS IT  NATIONAL.  >> IT'S NATIONAL AS THE  FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES  ANNUAL CONFERENCE. HOLLYWOOD  FLORIDA FROM 15 TO IT'S NOT A  NATIONAL AND THAT MEANS THE  VOTING DELEGATES. NO LATER  THAN JULY 31ST. YES, GO AHEAD,  IT'S NOT THE NATIONAL DECIDED  THAT YES LORD OF USUALLY THE  MAYOR IF SHE'S GOING THE MAYOR  IS GOING TO THAT CONFERENCE  BEFORE THE LEAGUE TO CITIES IN  AUGUST. USUALLY IT'S THE MAYOR  IS THE DELEGATING.  >> ON TEARING ME WELCOME.  >> BUT I'M DOING MY EAGLES  TORE AND I GUESS SO NO I WILL  NOT BE.  >> WHEN IT WILL ALL THAT IN  ORLANDO.  ♪ ♪ >> THE MEETING ITSELF IS JUST  AS SATURDAY. THE 17TH. WE  WOULD NEED THE VOTING DO THAT  NEW BUDDY GOING TO THE  CONFERENCE BESIDES ME.  >> AND THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT  I'M SORRY. HAD SOMETHING ADD  TO THAT OKAY.  >> YOU WANT COME. WELL I AM  NOW  >> THERE WAS ONE YEAR THAT I  WON JUST BECAUSE I WAS THE  VOTE AND DELEGATE AND I DIDN'T  GO TO THE IF YOU'RE GOING TO  GO TO THE CONFERENCE AND HAVE  FUN.  >> THE VOTING DELEGATES YEAH  DO AND NOW GOING TO BE OUT OF  THE ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VICE  MAYOR FOR STEPPING UP FOR  THAT.  ♪ ♪ AND IT'S IN HOLLYWOOD FUN. TO  SEAL THE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY  WANTED TO GO TO THAT GO WITH  ME WHAT I WANT TO THAT. BUT  NOW SHE HAS NO CHOICE ALL  RIGHT SO WE NEED MOTION FOR  THAT 2 VICE-MAYOR STOKES IS A  VOTING BILL SO  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE A  MOTION TO APPOINT VICE MAYOR  PHIL STOKES IS A VOTING  DELEGATES FOR THE 2024  FLORIDA.  >> THAT'S  >> ALL IT SAYS FOR OF CITIES  MEETING HAS TO BE HELD IN  HOLLYWOOD FLORIDA AND THAT  SECONDED BY. SECOND YOU SECOND  IT AND YOU MADE IT YES, OKAY  THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WILL DO A  VOICE. VICE MAYOR ME, YES  MAYOR ZS BLIND AND SAY TELL US  THAT YOUR AVERAGE. THAT. AND  THAT MOTION HAS JUST 5 TO 0 I  THINK WE GOT THAT THANK YOU  EVERYBODY. TO THE ON TO THE  FINAL AND FUN ONE SAVE THE  BEST FOR LAST ITEM D 24 DASH  0, 8, 2, 0, DISCUSSION AND  POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING  CHARTER AMENDMENT LANGUAGE  RELATED TO THE CITY'S BONDING  AUTHORITY.  >> MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM BETWEEN 3RD  THIS YEAR THE COMMISSION  RECORDS MANAGER TOWARD THE  STAFF REMAIN LANGUAGE FOR  CHARTER OF IT TO ALLOW CITY  BORROW AUTHORITY IN TIME FOR  THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. OUR  ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS  DIRECTOR TRISHA WIZNER IS OUR  INTER DEPARTMENT A LEAD. ON  THIS EFFORT AND SHE'S GOING TO  GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION COVER  ROBUST DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS,  I'M SURE  >> THERE'S TRICIA WAS NURSES  TRACTOR PUBLIC WORKS HERE TO  CONTINUE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT  DISCUSSION. SO THIS DISCUSSION  REALLY BUT I'M FOLLOWING  HURRICANE IAN AS THE CITY WAS  LOOKING FOR WAYS TOO. ADDRESS  REPAIRING RECOVERY THAT VERY  SIGNIFICANT STORM.  >> I'M SORRY I'M HAVING A HARD  TIME IT'S PRETTY LOW IS A YEAR  NOW SHOULD HAVE A LOT TALK  ABOUT SO AS THE CITY WAS  LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR HOW TO.  WORK THROUGH THE REPAIR  ♪ AND RECOVERY. SIGNIFICANT  STORM SIGNIFICANT THE SUBJECT  CAME  ♪ TO SECTION. ONE 0, 2, B OF THE  CITY CHARTER. THIS ALLOWS THE  CITY OUR MONEY AN ISSUE BONDS  GENERAL OBLIGATION OR REVENUE  BONDS TO FINANCE CAPITAL  PROJECTS. REQUIRES A MAJORITY  VOTE VOTERS TO ISSUE THIS SO  THIS MEANS IN ORDER TO ISSUE  FINES THAT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A  REFERENDUM. NOW REFERENDUMS  TYPICALLY HAPPEN. MOST  COMMONLY WITH THE GENERAL  ELECTION CYCLE WHICH WE KNOW  IS EVERY 2 YEARS. SO THAT IS  OBVIOUSLY THE DELAY IN THE  HUMBLE TO DO THAT THEY CAN  HAPPEN OFF CYCLE, HOWEVER, THE  CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FULLY FOR  THAT. ABSOLUTELY $100,000 ON  TOP OF STAFF TIME TO DEVELOP  THE WORDING. COMMISSIONER TIME  APPROVE THAT WORDING AND THEN  DEVELOPMENT OF ANY EDUCATIONAL  MATERIALS THAT WE GO TO  SUPPORT. NOW CITY. CHARTER  DIFFERS FROM THE STATE  CONSTITUTION. THE STATE  CONSTITUTION DOES TALK ABOUT  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS WITH  AN ARTICLE 7 SECTION 12. WHICH  SAYS THEY MUST BE USED TO  FINANCE OR REFINANCE CAPITAL  PROJECTS. AND REFERENDUM IS  REQUIRED FOR THESE WHEN  THEY'RE PAYABLE BY ALARM  TAXATION WHERE THE MATURING  GREETED IN 12 MONTH'S  REFERENDUM IS NOT REQUIRED IF  SO MUCH IRAN LAST 12 MONTHS.  SO. OUR LIVES WHAT THE CITY  DOES TO OUR CHARTER. THIS  SECTION OF THE CONSTITUTION.  WELL HIGH WHERE REQUIREMENT TO  HAVE A REFERENDUM. FOR GENERAL  OBLIGATION BONDS HEY BEFORE WE  HAVE WARM CAN STATION THE THAN  12 MONTHS. STATE STATUTE TALKS  ABOUT REVENUE BONDS AND IT  PERMITS MUNICIPALITIES TO  BORROW MONEY CONTRAST, PHONES  ISSUE BONDS AND FINANCE ANY  CAPITAL PROJECT WITHOUT A  REFERENDUM. SO THERE'S BEEN A  LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT PAY  AS YOU GO IN THAT. THE WAY THE  CITY HAS APPROACHED BIG  PROJECTS HISTORICALLY. THIS IS  JUST A RECAP OF A COUPLE OF  THOSE BULLET POINTS THAT  YOU'VE HEARD TIME AND TIME  AGAIN. THE PAY AS YOU GO MODEL  REQUIRES CURRENT CITIZENS TO  PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT  WILL BE USED BY CITIZENS THAT  MAY NOT WITH HER YET MAY NOT  EVEN BE BORN YET BASED UPON  THE DURATION THE LIFE CYCLE OF  THESE IMPROVEMENTS ALSO CAUSES  A DELAYED RESPONSE TO  INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS SUCH AS  ROADS. BRIDGES WATER AND SEWER  CONNECTIONS. WHILE WE WAIT FOR  FUNDS TO FAMILY. AND THIS  SOUTH AND VULNERABILITY TO  INFLATION INCREASED PROJECT  COSTS AND IN MOST CASES WHERE  REALLY BEHIND WE ALREADY  NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE BY THE  TIME WE'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY  TOGETHER TO GO OUT TO BID FOR  INFRASTRUCTURE ANALOGY TO BUY  HOUSES COME UP MULTIPLE TIMES.  IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO  RENT AND LIVE LIFE WHILE  YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCUMULATE  ENOUGH MONEY JUST FOR DEPOSIT  LET ALONE. I'M FULL HOUSE. THE  CHARTERS RESTRICTIONS ALSO  CAME TO WHERE WE'VE HAD  INABILITY TO MEET TIMELINES TO  PARTICIPATE IN THE LOW TO NO  INTEREST BONDS THAT AVAILABLE  OR LOANS THAT WERE AVAILABLE  GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES  FOLLOWING AND SO. BECAUSE IT  WOULD TAKE US TIME TO GET ON 8  ELECTION CYCLE FOR REFERENDUM.  WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET THE  TIMELINES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF  POTENTIALLY FREE MONEY. AND  IT'S ALSO REALLY IS  HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE FACT THAT  WE HAVE ABOUT ONE 0.8 BILLION  DOLLARS PER CENT  INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE  SEEN EATING. SO WE BEGAN THIS  CITY MANAGER REFERENCED IN  APRIL 20 ON APRIL 23RD WHEN A  SPECIAL MEETING AT WHICH TIME  AND THERE'S A LOT OF  DISCUSSION ABOUT PROPOSED.  THINKING STAFF CROSSWORD  OPTION THAT WAS VERY SMART TO  SARASOTA COUNTY'S CAP AT THAT  TIME IT EASY ENTRY INTO THE  CONVERSATION. IT MADE SENSE  BECAUSE IT WAS A MUNICIPALITY  THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH AND  WE COULD SEE HOW FUNCTIONING.  HOWEVER WE CONTINUE TO DO DUE  DILIGENCE FROM THAT TIME AND  AS WE CONTINUE OUR RESEARCH  WE'VE NOTICED THAT THE CITY  DOES NOT OPERATE IN THE SAME  MANNER AS THE COUNTY IN MOST  CASES, THE CITY OPERATES MORE  SIMILARLY TO OTHER CITIES AND  AS WE LOOKED AT HOW THOSE  CITIES WERE MANAGING DEBT AND  BORROWING. WE NOTICE THAT THEY  DID NOT HAVE THE CAP WITHIN  THEIR CHARTER. THEY HAD A  SEPARATE POLICY THAT WAS  MANAGE. I THE COMMISSION TO  EVALUATE AND SET THOSE LIMITS.  HERE'S A LIST OF SOME  COMPARABLE CITIES. ARE  MANAGING THEIR DEBT LIMIT NOT  WITHIN THE ACTUAL CHARTER  LANGUAGE. BUT WITHIN THE  WORDING OF THEIR MANAGEMENT  POLICY. CAPE CORAL FORT MYERS  HOMESTEAD ON SUNRISE AND EVEN  CHARLOTTE AND MANATEE COUNTIES  ARE FOLLOWING THIS NOW IT  MANAGES OF BEING ABLE TO  MANAGE THE DEBT LIMIT. THE  MINISTRY TO FLEE. THE CITY  COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO.  MANAGE THIS POLICY DEVELOP THE  POSSE TO SET THAT LIMITS THAT  WOULD BE BASED SPECIFIC ON  WHAT OUR GOALS ARE FOR OUR  CREDIT METRICS OUR AFFORDABLE  AFFORDABILITY RATINGS AND SOME  ARE. THERE WERE EXAMPLES OF  THAT MANAGEMENT AND ATTACHED  TO THE AGENDA TODAY. THOSE ARE  SIMPLY REFERENCE POINTS. WE  HAVE NOT DEVELOPED A PLAN AT  THIS POINT WE ARE WORKING WITH  PFM TO CONTRACT THEM TO ASSIST  IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS  PLAN SO THIS WILL BE  INDEPENDENT 3RD PARTY THAT IS  VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THESE  PLANTS THAT WILL BE CREATING  THIS FOR CITY COMMISSION TO  EVALUATE. SO WELL A REFERENDUM  IF WE WENT THIS ROUTE WITHOUT  WITH THE CHARTER AMENDMENT  REFERENDUM WOULD NOT BE  REQUIRED FOR DEBT ISSUANCE BUT  WE WOULD STILL BE COMING BACK  TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN TO  PUBLICLY NOTICE MEETINGS TO  ALLOW INPUT FROM CITIZENS AND  COMMISSION. HERE'S THE DRAFT  PROPOSED BALLOT LANGUAGE  COUPLE THINGS TO KNOW IN  MAXIMUM NUMBER WORDS, 75  WORDS, WE HAVE TO STATE WHAT  WE HAVE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.  SO IN THIS LANGUAGE IT DOES  NOT HAVE THE CAP WITHIN THERE  AND WE'RE AT I BELIEVE 75  WORDS IN FLORIDA LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS CAN ISSUE CERTAIN  THAT FOR VARIOUS GOVERNMENTAL  PURPOSES, SO THAT REFERS BACK  TO BUT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH  THE CHARTER AND STATE STATUTES  ALLOWING GOVERNMENTS TO ISSUE  THAT. HOWEVER THE CITY CHARTER  REQUIRES VOTER APPROVAL BEFORE  ISSUING ANY THAT AGAIN THAT  REFERENCES THE FACT THAT WE  NEED A REFERENDUM BEFORE  MOVING FORWARD. DO YOU APPROVE  AMENDING THE CHARTER TO ALLOW  THE CITY COMMISSION TO ISSUE  DEBT WITHOUT PRIOR VOTER  APPROVAL. ONE TO RESPOND TO A  DECLARED EMERGENCY OR  DISASTER. SUCH AS A HURRICANE  AND 2 FOR SAFETY AND PUBLIC  HEALTH PROJECTS SUCH AS  EMERGENCY IN CENTRAL SERVICES  ROADS BRIDGES AND SANITATION.  THOSE WERE KEY CONSIDERATIONS  IN PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT  THIS OUR RING AUTHORITY WOULD  BE REALLY RESTRICTED TO EITHER  EMERGENCY RESPONSE OR TO  ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND  INFRASTRUCTURE. COUPLE THINGS  TO KNOW ON THIS THIS IS DRAFT  POINT WHICH WE HAVE HEARD THAT  THERE IS A NONPROFIT  ORGANIZATION THAT HAS TAKEN  INTEREST IN. THIS ITEM AND IS  LOOKING AT THIS LANGUAGE TO  ITS NOT NORTH PORT RISING.  THIS ORGANIZATION IT'S NOT  FUNDED BY OR ASSOCIATED WITH  THE CITY GOVERNMENT IN ANY  WAY. BUT JUST KNOW THAT THERE  ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THIS  LANGUAGE AS THEY FEEL AN  ESSENTIAL NEXT MOVE FOR THE  CITY.  >> WHAT ORGANIZATION TO TO SAY  NORTH PORT RISING RISING LIKE.  I GUESS DOES MEN. SO AT THIS  POINT WE'RE REQUESTING  DIRECTION. AND THE REMOVAL OF  THE BORROWING CAP AND INSTEAD  OF HAVING THAT WITHIN THE  CHARTER WORDING.  >> A SEPARATE POLICY THAT IS  MANAGED BY THE CITY COMMISSION  FOR THE DEBT MANAGEMENT. AND  IN EITHER CASE NEXT STEPS IN  ORDINANCE REGARDING REFERENDUM  AND THE ASSOCIATED CHARTER  AMENDMENT LANGUAGE WILL BE  BROUGHT TO COMMISSION  CONSIDERATION WITHIN TO  PUBLICLY NOTICE MEETINGS. IT'S  ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT  LANGUAGE IS REQUIRED TO BE  THAT SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION BY  AUGUST 6TH THIS YEAR. WITH  THAT. WE HAVE FINANCE STAFF  CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HERE TO  ASSIST WITH QUESTIONS.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR  THE COMMISSION.  >> WE WILL HAVE OUR  DISCUSSION. VICE MAYOR. YES, I  GOT. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT HE  HAD THEM WILL HELP CREATE THAT  THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY HERE.  FIRST TASK WHAT'S ELIMINATING.  BUT LIMIT CAP, I'VE NEVER PUT  MUCH STOCK IN THAT SINCE  THERE'S A MYRIAD OF WAYS TO  GET AROUND THAT MUNICIPALITY  FOR YEARS BREAKING THEM UP AND  CALLING OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS  AND ALL THAT. SO PUTTING  DOLLAR CAP I DON'T THINK IT'S  NEARLY IMPORTANT. AS HAVING A  FAIRLY ROBUST WANT THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY. THAT REALLY  GUIDES BORROWING. ON THAT TIES  INTO BUDGETING THAT TYSON TO  YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.  PROJECTS LIST AND PRIORITIES  LIST. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE  STATE STATUTE PROVIDES SOME  FLEXIBILITY AND MOST  MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ENJOYED  THAT FLEXIBILITY IN AND LOOK  TO THEIR DEBT 2 MANAGED HOW  THEY BORROW.  >> AND AND AND.  >> GUARDRAILS THE GUARDRAILS  BY BY WHICH THEY OPERATE IN  AND I THINK YOU KNOW, I'M I'M  I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE ON  THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S  REALLY IMPORTANT TO SET TOW.  ASK HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO  DO WITH TRUST BECAUSE WE'RE AS  A COMMISSIONER RAY AND  TRUSTED. AND AS STORAGE OF THE  CITIZENS TAX TROUBLES ARE  RESPONSIBILITY TO BE PRUDENT  BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE TO DO  A GOOD JOB. IF WE DO. THE  RESULT IS WE GET VOTED OUT OF  OFFICE. THIS ABOUT. HAVING  IMPORTANT TOOL WITH WHICH TO  DO OUR JOBS. WITHOUT THE  ABILITY. TO LEVERAGE THE  FUTURE LITTLE AND ABLE TO  BASICALLY SPREAD THE COST OF  WHAT IS 2 BILLION DOLLAR LIST  OF PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT 2025  YEARS WITHOUT THAT ABILITY. AS  YOU GO CITY. FUND THOSE  PROJECTS POOLS DIRECTLY ON THE  BACKS OF OUR EXISTING CITIZENS  TODAY WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO  ALLOW SOME OF OUR FUTURE  CITIZENS WHO HAVE NOT YET  MOVED HERE AND HELPED CARRY  SOME OF THAT BURGER IF EACH OF  US PUT OURSELVES IN THAT  POSITION AS BUSINESS PEOPLE OR  EVEN INDIVIDUALS WHAT WE LIKE  TO BUY $40,000 IF WE COULD  BORROW MONEY TO DO IT WHERE  ARE WE GOING TO GET THE CASH  TO DO IT WILL BE RIDING  BICYCLES AND IT'S THE SAME  THING WITH OUR BUSINESS SAME  PROBLEM. HOW CAN YOU GROW YOUR  BUSINESS HOW CAN YOU KEEP UP  WITH THEM AND IF YOU CAN'T  BORROW SO WITH THAT SAID. I  THINK. THE REAL KEY HERE IS  FOR. TO LOOK NOT SO MUCH AT  THE TRUST ISSUES OF THIS ISSUE  BUT REALLY WHAT PARAMETERS CAN  WE SET UP WHAT THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICIES CAN WE MAY BE TO  ASSURE OUR CITIZENS THAT WE  ARE GOING TO GOOD STEWARDS OF  YOUR TAX DOLLARS BALL FOR  PROJECTS.  ♪ ALLOW FOR PUBLIC ON  ♪ ANY OF THESE PROJECTS SO WE  CAN GET PEOPLE'S VIEWS.  YOU KNOW TO LOOK SUBJECT  MATTER PROFESSIONALS IN  OUTSIDE GUIDANCE. PFM CAN HELP  US DRAFT THE STEPPED OUT OF  SOME POLICIES ATTACHED WAS.  CHARLOTTE COUNTY AND VENICE A  STEP POLICY TREMENDOUS  CHARLOTTE COUNTY'S SPECIAL.  YOU TAKE THOSE TO INCORPORATE  A MINUTE WE COME FOR US. THEY  MAKE THE GREAT BASIS OF A GOOD  POLICY. PFM CAN CAN CAN GO THE  EXTRA STEP THERE EVEN ARE ON  COUNCIL IN THE DEFINITIONS SO  SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND  DECLARED EMERGENCIES. THERE  CAN BE AN ATTEMPT TO BETTER  DEFINE THOSE OR AT LEAST GET  GAUGE ON WHETHER OR OR ON  COUNCIL BELIEVES ARE SENDING  ISSUES THERE FROM THE  STANDPOINT OFF OF BOTH CLEAR  DEFINITION AS TO WHAT THINGS  QUALIFY, I MEAN ALL THIS IN MY  OPINION SHOULD BE BUILDING AND  TOPPED PRIOR TO THIS CHARTER  AMENDMENT. TO GO INTO EFFECT  UPON THE SUCCESS OF THE  CHARTER AMENDMENT I DON'T  BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO  AFTER THE FACT SHOULD BE DONE  BEFORE SENSE OF CLEAR  DIRECTION TO OUR CITIZENS  SHOWS EXACTLY HOW WE ARE GOING  TO OPERATE AND HOW EXACTLY  WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE OR BAR  WAY. FLEXIBILITY IN ADDITION.  THIS WHOLE THING IS GUY AND  OBVIOUSLY BY THE FREE MARKET.  WHATEVER LENDERS WE GO TO FOR  WHATEVER REASONS. HAVE STRICT  POLICY ON HOW MUCH DO LONG TO  WHO LOAN AND THE BOTTOM LINE  IS NOBODY LOANS MORE ANYONE  WEST THE ABILITY TO PAY IT  BACK SO YOU KNOW FOR ALL THESE  REASONS I. I REALLY PREFER US  NOT HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. AND  VERY BULLISH ON A MAP AND A  STRONG THAT POLICY ADOPTED.  THIS REFERENDUM GOES OUT THE  LANGUAGE ON COUNCILS, GOOD  WITH THE LANGUAGE, GOOD WITH  THE LANGUAGE IF PHAM IS GOOD  WITH THE LINE WHICH I'M GOOD  WITH THAT. YOU KNOW THERE ARE  OUTSIDE EXPERTS ON THIS AND IT  SHOULDN'T BE WORDSMITH THING.  CHARTER AMENDMENT. SO YOU KNOW  FOR NOW MAY HAVE THANK YOU FOR  THAT IS, COMMISSIONER LANGDON  THANK YOU MAYOR.  >> AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER ONE  OF THOSE SITUATIONS AND WHICH  I HATE FOLLOWING IT BECAUSE HE  HE REALLY EXPRESSED ALL OF THE  THINGS THAT ARE IN MY MIND.  ALSO DON'T SUPPORT HAVING A  SPECIFIED AMOUNT AGREE WITH  VICE MAYOR THAT THOSE THINGS  ARE TOO EASY TO GAME AND I'D  RATHER BE UPFRONT AND HONEST  WITH WHAT THE NEED IS. AND  HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF THAT  MANAGED BIASED FROM THAT  POLICY. I ALSO LIKE THIS  LANGUAGE BECAUSE IT DOES TALK  ABOUT THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT  WE WOULD BORROW MONEY FOR.  HURRICANE IAN WAS BOY WHAT AN  EYE OPENER THAT WAS. AND A  SPECIFIC AMOUNT. I THINK OUR  JUST TRASH REMOVAL WAS WEST  50 MILLION DOLLARS OR  45 MILLION DOLLARS I WANT TO  FORGET THAT.  >> BUT THAT WAS AND THAT IF WE  HAVE A OF 25 MILLION DOLLARS.  MEAN YOU BREAK THE BANK ON  THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE SO.  >> I I JUST DON'T THINK  PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE OF  EMERGENCIES.  >> THAT HAVING CAP ON THE  AMOUNT TO BE BORROWED REALLY.  >> IS HELPFUL AND AS VICE  MAYOR SAID A MARKET. WELL  CONTROL HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW  I MEAN DEFINITELY WE SHOULD  HAVE OUR OWN POLICIES, BUT.  JUST LIKE THE REST OF US IF WE  WANT TO BORROW MONEY IN OUR  CREDIT RATING ISN'T THE BEST  WERE EITHER NOT GOING TO BE  ABLE TO WE'RE GOING TO PAY A  HECK OF A LOT MORE FOR THAT.  AND IF OUR CREDIT RATING WAS  GOOD SO.  >> CERTAINLY WE WOULD WANT TO  MAINTAIN A GOOD CREDIT RATING.  WHILE WE WERE AT PARTICIPATING  IN THE BOND MARKET. SO FOR ME  YOU KNOW NO CAP IN TERMS OF  THE AMOUNT. WE SHOULD BE OPEN  AND HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED  AND WHAT IT'S FOR SO.  >> I'M A HUGE.  >> ADVOCATE OF RESTRICTING ARE  BORROWING TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND  EMERGENCIES, PARTICULARLY  GENERAL OBLIGATION. IN MY  PRIVATE LIFE, I'M A SUPPORTER  OF WHEN I WANT AND AMENITIES  SOMETHING FUN TO DO. I GO ON A  NICE VACATION. MY PERSONAL  POLICY AND TO SAVE UP FOR  THAT.  >> YOU DON'T BORROW MONEY OR  PUT IT ALL YOUR CREDIT CARD  WITHOUT A PLAN FOR PAYING IT  BACK. SO I VERY MUCH LIKE  RESTRICTING THE BORROWING.  >> 2 ISSUES OF PUBLIC AND  EMERGENCIES. YOU KNOW ONE  MINERAL SPRINGS COMES  IMMEDIATELY TO MIND THAT WOULD  BE A REVENUE BOND THINK THAT  MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT  DISCUSSION. BUT CERTAINLY FOR  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS I  REALLY LIKE WORDING OF THIS  AND I CONCUR WITH VICE MAYOR.  I I THINK BY THE TIME WE'RE  GOING TO REFERENDUM. I THINK  THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO SEE  WHAT OUR BALL WEARING POLICY  WOULD LOOK LIKE I'M SURE WE'LL  DISCUSS THAT IN THE COMMISSION  MEETINGS YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC.  AS ALWAYS I'M INVITED TO  COMING COMMENT. SO I'M  SATISFIED WITH WHERE IT'S AT I  DO HAVE ONE QUESTION I'M NOT  QUITE SURE WHO IT'S FOR. BUT  IT'S REGARDING REVENUE VERSUS  OBLIGATION BONDS AND THE STATE  STATUTES.  >> I THOUGHT I SAW ARE IN  THERE THAT.  >> I'M A GENERAL OBLIGATION  BOND.  >> WE HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM  ANYWHERE  >> ALWAYS OK AND I'VE GOT THAT  ANSWER I DID INTERPRET IT  CORRECTLY. OKAY SO THAT'S  THAT'S MY INCLINATION ON THIS  TOPIC THANK YOU. OKAY MISTER  MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, I'M GOING TO ASK SOME  QUESTIONS FIRST TO HELP DO  >> THE NEXT STEPS.  >> WHEN IS IT ANTICIPATED TO  BRING FORWARD A DRAFT THAT  POLICY BECAUSE I ASSUME  THERE'S TIME NECESSARY TO  WRITE IT THAT IT.  >> THE LIES IT. WHEN DO YOU  THINK THAT POLICY WILL COME  FORWARD. AND STAFF IS WEARING  SNEAKERS. KNOW MY NAME IS I  COULD INCONSISTENT FINDINGS  TRACTORS SO WE'RE CURRENTLY  WITH PF AND.  >> ON AN AMENDMENT AND IT'S  KIND LEE WITH LEGAL FOR FINAL  REVIEW FOR THE CONTRACT TO TO  INCLUDE FOR THEM AT WORK ON  MANAGEMENT POLICY.  >> SO.  CURRENTLY THAT THEY ATE THAT  LEGAL PROBABLY GOING TO GET  BACK TO IN JULY IN BEGINNING  OF JULY AND SO WE SHOULDN'T.  START WORKING WITH RIGHT  AFTER. YOU HAVE AN EXACT DATE.  >> BUT ALTHOUGH HE SAYS THAT  THAT'S PROBABLY THE LIGHTEST  LIFT BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY  POLICIES EXIST AND YOU CAN  BRING SOMETHING LIKE. VICE  MAYOR SAID THAT YOU'VE ALREADY  SEEN THAT YOU LIKE OKAY SO.  >> YEAH AND THIS GOING TO BE  WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN  AMENDMENT TO THEIR CONTRACT IN  JULY. WHEN DO YOU THINK THE  POLICY WOULD BE COMING TO  COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND  APPROVE. OR EVEN DISCUSS.  >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT CAME IT  LIKE SOME EARLY FOLLOWING  SEPTEMBER. OR EARLY ON WE  COULD TO PRIORITY TO ON THIS.  APPRECIATE LATE SUMMER EARLY  FALL IS WHEN WE WILL  >> A DRAFT POLICY OR HAVE OUR  NEXT DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE  WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE  >> WE WILL GOOD BRING IT TO  YOU SO  >> CITY MANAGER I'M TRYING TO  GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF  THE PROCESS, I KNOW YOU KNOW  THE PROCESS IN YOUR STAFF MOST  PROCESS I HAVE NOT HAD THAT  LUXURY, SO I'M TRYING TO GOING  TO SEE A DRAFT POLICY FIRST  WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SEE A  FIRST READING FIRST IN EARLY  SUMMER OR EARLY. I'M LATE  SUMMER OR EARLY FALL.  >> WE WEEKEND IT WILL BE A  DRAFT OF WHAT YOU LOOK AT  PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PUT TO CREATE  A FIGHT OVER IT.  >> DRAFT OF THE LATE SUMMER  EARLY FALL, THEN. SO THE FINAL  FOR FIRST READING WOULD BE  WHAT MAYBE DECEMBER. BASED ON.  >> I BELIEVE THE WORD IS THAT  HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT DONE  PRIOR TO ELECTION WHICH IS IN  NOVEMBER, SO IT COULD THE YOU  HAVE THAT LITTLE TIME TO HAVE  IT APPROVED IT THAT'S WHAT THE  DIRECTION OF THE BOARD TO SAY  WE WOULD LIKE TO THE DEPOSIT  TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE  ELECTION WOULD HAVE VERSION  APPROVED. I JUST BORDER PRIOR  TO THE ELECTION IF I'M HEARING  CORRECTLY ON THE FIRST 2  COMMISSIONERS THAT PRECEDED  YOU.  >> OKAY WELL THOSE ARE THE  FIRST 2 COMMISSIONERS AND  EXPRESSED THEIR DESIRE I'M  ASKING QUESTIONS THAT ARE  SPECIFIC TO HOUSE STAFF IS  GOING TO BE DOING AND I KNOW  YOU DON'T LIKE MY QUESTIONS  AND I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T LIKE  HOW I ASK MY QUESTIONS BUT I'M  TRYING TO GET A BETTER  UNDERSTANDING DESPITE WHAT MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DESIRE.  I'M ASKING WHAT THE PROCESS IS  GOING TO BE. WHICH IS  COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT  PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN.  WILL WE BE APPROVING THE DEBT  POLICY BY ORDINANCE OR BY  RESOLUTION.  >> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU.  >> MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT  WILL ANALYZE LEAD JUST STREET  IS IT TYPICALLY WORKS. IT SAYS  ARE USED FOR.  >> AXEL LAW IS DEFINED IN  STATUTE OUR CITY CHARTER AND  RESOLUTIONS OR WE'RE GOING  STRAIGHT OF ACTS. WE HAVE  ADOPTED OTHER POLICIES FOR  THIS EDITION OF THE ALMOST THE  FAMILY DO OTHERWISE.  >> A REVIEW. THE WHITE PAPER.  THAT WAS PROVIDED AND I WAS.  MINUTELY TAKEN ABACK BY THE.  WORDING OF THE DOCUMENT INTO  COMMISSIONERS, I'M SORRY VICE  MAYOR STOPES COMMENTS EARLIER  THAT WORDS DO MATTER AND THE  FIRST THING THAT THIS WHITE  PAPER SAYS IS THAT IT WOULD.  FOSTER ECONOMIC GROWTH SUPPORT  COMMUNITY DEVELOP AND ENHANCE  PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE IN  IN MY OPINION, THOSE WORDS  ARE.  >> COMPLETELY MISS A LINE.  >> IF THIS.  >> IF THE PURPOSE OF HAVING  THIS DEBT POLICY IS TO HELP  WITH RECOVERY IN A DISASTER  AND HELP WITH OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. WE'RE  TRYING TO GET THE VOTERS TO  BUY IN ON THIS AND I'M SORRY  THE VOTERS PROBABLY DON'T THEY  CARE BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE  THAT MAYBE STAFF AND THE  COMMISSION DEGREE ECONOMIC  GROWTH. THE RECOVERY IS THE  PRIORITY. THE INFRASTRUCTURE  IS THE PRIOR AND I KNOW THAT  ALSO FEEDS INTO ECONOMIC  GROWTH BECAUSE IT HELPS BRING  US BACK TO LIFE QUICKER. BUT  THERE WERE SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF  MISS ALIGNING AND THE THE  PRIORITIES. THE REALLY GOOD  EXAMPLE OF WAY THEY BE IN  EMERGENCIES RESPONSE. IS LIKE.  ONE THE LAST REASONS ARE  LISTED. ITS MAIN REASON WE  WANT TO DO THE OTHER QUESTIONS  THAT I HAVE.  >> COMMISSION BEFORE YOU DO  KEPT COULD I TRUST  SPECIFICALLY WHAT SHOW I I'D  RATHER JUST HAVE MY TIME AND  THEN YOU COULD IF YOU WANT TO  JUST QUICK WRITE IT DOWN OKAY  SO I DON'T MY IT. IN THE WHITE  PAPER WHO ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS  THAT WERE MENTIONED  THROUGHOUT.  ♪ >> A NEW YUM'S FINANCE SENT  THIS SPIKE PAPER WAS FOR THIS  WAS NOT ABOUT SPECIFICS. THIS  WAS ABOUT.  >> MAKING THE CASE FOR THAT  AUTHORITY WITH IN A FLORIDA  MUNICIPALITY. SO THERE'S A LOT  OF INFORMATION IN MAYBE SOME  OF PORT MAYBE SOME DOES NOT.  BUT IT WAS MAKING THE CASE FOR  WHY A MUNICIPALITY SHOULD BE  ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT. SO THE  STAKEHOLDERS WOULD BE ANYWHERE  FROM THE CITIZENS. THE CITY  THE COMMISSION. IT ISN'T ONE  HOLDING AN INTEREST IN THE  OPERATIONS OF THIS COMPLEX  ORGANIZATION THAT'S THE CITY.  >> THE CITIZEN STAFF  COMMISSION.  >> I THINK YOU'RE THE BEST  INVESTOR OF UP YEAH SO THE SUN  STAFF MISSION INVESTORS.  >> NEIGHBORING  >> I WOULD NEIGHBORING  COMMUNITIES BEING STUCK OVER  I'M JUST CURIOUS. SO ANYTHING  THAT WE INVEST IN  INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT IN THAT'S GOING TO  BENEFIT THE WHOLE AREA.  >> THE ONE THING I DIDN'T SEE  IN THE.  >> OTHER 2 EXAMPLES THAT WERE  USED WAS WHAT IF THE REVENUE.  IT FOR USING REVENUE TO PAY  BACK THE BONDS PAY BACK WHAT  IF THAT REVENUE DRIES UP OR  GET SUSPENDED. HOW DOES THAT  LOOK. BECAUSE A PERFECT  EXAMPLE, LET'S JUST SAY WE GET  IT AND THIS IS A HYPOTHETICAL.  CONCEDING THE HYPOTHETICAL  THAT WE ISSUE SOME KIND OF  BARN. USING WARM MINERAL  ADMISSIONS, YOU KNOW THE  TICKET. AND THAT REVENUE THAT  WE COLLECT. AND FOR WHATEVER  REASON COVID HURRICANE IAN WE  HAD TO CLOSE THEIR SPRINGS AND  THAT REVENUE ESSENTIALLY DRIED  UP. FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.  WHERE WOULD THAT REVENUE COME  FROM IS ONE OF THE THINGS I  DIDN'T SEE REALLY OUTLINED IN  HERE. SO THAT THAT WAS A  CONCERN THAT I HAD I DON'T  KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN ANSWER BUT  THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD  DEFINITELY BE LOOKING AT TO  MAKE SURE IS ADDRESSED  BECAUSE. IF THE REVENUE SOURCE  DRIES UP. AND WE WOULD  PROBABLY HAVE TO.  HYPOTHETICALLY REVERT TO  MILLAGE INCREASE TO MAKE UP  FOR THAT SHORTFALL TO PAY THE  DEBT WHICH THEN IS. CAN BE  PERCEIVED AS WORKING AROUND A  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS. SO  THE BIG.  >> DEFINITELY THE REVENUE  WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACE DEBT  WILL NOT GO AWAY THE PAYMENT  WILL NOT GO AWAY. SO THEY'LL  BE A LOT OF CONTROLS IN PLACE  THAT MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT  REALLY LEVERAGE MEANING TO  ENSURE THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THE  AMOUNT OF DEBT. WE WON'T BE  ABLE LIKELY WON'T QUALIFY FOR  A LOAN OR A BOND ISSUANCE IF  WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY  TO COVER THAT WITH SOME VERY  STRICT SAFEGUARDS SON WORK  WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO RIDE IN  THE POLICY EVERY WORST-CASE  SCENARIO. IF IN THE EVENT THAT  WE CAME TO SOME WORST PATIENTS  WE WOULD HAVE TO REPLACE THE  REVENUE.  >> OKAY, WELL I IF WE'RE GOING  TO GO DOWN THIS DEBT POLICY.  >> VAIN. IT DEFINITELY NEEDS  TO BE JUST BECAUSE IT'S IT'S A  HUGE THINK IT HAPPENED TO US  BEFORE WHEN WE'VE HAD TO CLOSE  CERTAIN THINGS. AND THAT WAS  JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT CAME  INTO MY MIND.  >> ESPECIALLY WHEN WE WERE  TALKING ABOUT USING POSSIBLY  THIS NEW.  >> IF THE BOND REFERENDUM  PASSES WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO  GO TO THE VOTERS. WE CAN GET  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS BUILDINGS  TAKING CARE.  >> WELL.  >> THAT IT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY  AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T.  CLASSIFIED AS RECOVERY FROM  HURRICANE IAN BECAUSE THEY  WERE IN SUCH POOR SHAPE. SO  AND IT'S BEEN CLOSED IN THE  PAST. THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT  I HAVE IS. WHEN WE HAD THE  DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NORTH  PORT HEADQUARTERS. WHEN WE  WERE BACK IN APRIL WHEN WE  WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT  POSSIBLY DOING SOME KIND OF  BOND ISSUANCE. WE ALSO GAVE 2  DIRECTIVES THE FINANCIAL  CONDITION ANALYSIS. AND THAT'S  SUPPOSED TO COME BACK BEFORE  THE END OF 2024. THE OTHER  THING WAS A CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR ALL  THE GENERAL FUND AND DISTRICTS  AND. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE  A CONVERSATION ABOUT  PRIORITIZING NOTES DO YOU  THINK. THOSE CAN ACCELERATED  BECAUSE TO ME THAT LIKE SOME  REALLY MEAN INFORMATION NOT  ONLY FOR US DECISION MAKERS  FOR THIS. THAT LIMIT BUT ALSO  FOR THE TAXPAYERS TO GET ON  BOARD WITH THIS SO I WAS JUST  CURIOUS IF IT COULD BE  ACCELERATED.  >> TO BE ABLE PROVIDE THOSE 2  PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT YOU  JUST REQUEST IT HAVE SAID THAT  THEY COULD MEET OUR STATED  DEADLINE WHICH WAS THE END OF  THE CALENDAR YEAR. IT PROVIDE  US UPDATES ON REGULAR BASIS AS  WE GO FROM NOW UNTIL DECEMBER  THEY WILL GIVE US ENOUGH.  RESPONSES IN ANALYSIS THAT  WILL GUIDE ALONG THE WAY TO  SHOW THAT WE NEED OF THOSE TO  DOCUMENT IT COMPLETED THE SHOW  THE OVERALL IMPACT OF WHAT  THAT MEANS WE BELIEVE LOOKING  AT ALMOST 2 BILLION DOLLARS IN  NEEDS. IT PRETTY SPEAKS FOR  ITSELF AND WHAT CITY NEEDS TO  DO TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.  THOSE 2 MAY OR MAY NOT BE OR  YOU HAVE YOUR LATEST ON THIS,  BUT IT WAS NOT PROBLEMS THAT  WILL GIVE YOU INFORMATION TO  UPDATE YOU AS SOON AS WE GET  THANK YOU FOR THAT.  >> COMMISSIONER AND YOU PUT  PAUSE IS WHAT YOU'RE ON 13  MINUTES AND WE'RE STILL TRYING  YOU KNOW I BEING TIME WELL  JUST SO WE CAN ALL HAVE A  CHANCE TO HAVE OUR FIRST  UNDERSTAND I DID KNOW WE WERE  BEING TIMED. I HAD KNOWN I  WOULD HAVE ALLOCATED WILL HAVE  A SECOND I QUESTION THAT WE  HAVE COMMISSIONER EMRICH THAT  I WANT TO FORGET ABOUT HIM AND  I WOULD HAVE SECOND ROUNDS  COMING UP. YOU KNOW.  >> I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON  WHAT WAS STATED I THINK IN THE  PRESENTATION THE PAY AS YOU  GO. IT'S THE BURDEN ON CURRENT  RESIDENTS HAS OPPOSED TO  SHARING THAT THE FUTURE  RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM  THAT INVESTMENT THAT THE  CURRENT RESIDENTS HAD TO PAY  FOR. AND SO THAT APPRECIATE  BREAKING THAT OUT BECAUSE I  DIDN'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.  ECHOING WHAT I VICE MAYOR SAID  ABOUT LIKE YES MAKES WE  WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING WE  DIDN'T COULDN'T WAS A  MORTGAGE. I COULDN'T BELIEVE  IT WHEN I JUST LEARNED THIS  YEAR THAT THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE  THAT ABILITY TO TO BORROW  MONEY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE  DOES. AND I APPRECIATE THE  COUNT OF YOU SAYING THAT THE  COUNTY MODEL ISN'T WORKING AS  COUNTIES AND CITIES WORK  DIFFERENTLY. DO KNOW THAT EVEN  FOR WHAT YOU PAY FOR THE  COUNTY AS WE KNOW EVEN FOR  EXAMPLE WITH THE MOSQUITO  ISSUE OUR RESIDENTS DON'T FEEL  THEY'RE GETTING. THEIR NEEDS  MET WHERE AS HERE IN THE CITY  CITY TAXPAYERS EXPECT THERE  NEEDS TO BE MET AND THEY  SHOULD THEY SHOULD BECAUSE  THEY LIVE HERE THEY PAY CITY  TAXES HERE BUT FOR SOME REASON  THAT DOESN'T EXTEND TO WANT  TALK ABOUT COUNTY SERVICES  THAT WE PAY INTO WE TALKED  ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT, A SENSE  OF LAND OF MEMPHIS BEFORE. SO  THERE ARE THERE ARE THERE ARE  2 DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND I I  APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT  OTHER CITIES. HOW THEY DO  BONDS I QUESTION NOW THAT JUST  YOU MY QUESTION GENERAL BONDS  WOULD ALWAYS HAVE TO GO OUT.  VOTERS. REVENUE BONDS WOULD BE  PART OF THIS.  >> BE PART OF YOUR BORROWING  AUTHORITY EXAMPLE MISSING WITH  EARLIER WITH WARMER SPRINGS.  THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD USE TO  RESTORE ALL THE BUILDINGS IF  YOU CHOSE TO DO SO. HE WOULD  SAY HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE  YOU WOULD GET THE ESTIMATES  FROM YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS,  WHAT TO BORROW BUT NOT YET A  100% RATE BECAUSE THERE'S  ALWAYS A TO SOMETHING CLOSE  CLOSE CARRY OUT FOR DIFFERENT  REASONS SO YOU MAKE SO SURE  THAT YOU HAVE A NEW BAR ON  THAT BASED YOU WANT GET BACK  TO WHAT YOU WANT TO BACK OKAY.  REACHING BACK PATIENTS.  >> ALSO THE THE WHAT IF I KNOW  WE CAN WE CAN WHAT GAME FOR  YOU KNOW WHAT THINGS WHAT  THINGS CHANGE AND THEY DO AND  WHATEVER SITTING UP THERE  MAKES THOSE DECISIONS SUCH AS  WHEN WE HAD THE BIG DOWNTURN  IN THE EARLY 2 THOUSANDS THAT  WERE DECISIONS MADE AND WE GOT  THROUGH IT WE'RE STILL HERE  TODAY, I'M ALSO THINKING YOU  KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR HOME  MORTGAGE AND YOU QUALIFY FOR  WORK AND IT'S BASED ON YOUR  INCOME AT THAT TIME IF  SOMEBODY LOSES THEIR JOB BUT  BANK HAS JUST COME IN TAKE  HOUSE AWAY BECAUSE OKAY, LOST  YOUR JOB, YOU'RE MAKING THOSE  PAYMENTS SO GOING TO. TO BE  OKAY SO I I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO  WHAT AIM AND I KNOW WE HAVE.  PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS WORK.  ADVISING THE BEST. THIS IS  THEIR FIELD OF EXPERTISE,  INCLUDING OUR WONDERFUL  FINANCE. WE KNOW FINANCE  SITTING THERE. THAT KNOWS. NOW  THAT TEST OF HOW WE CAN GET  THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET  DONE. AND YES, I THINK THE  DEFINITELY IT WAS A BIG  WAKE-UP CALL ABOUT. WHAT  HAPPENED. WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL  REVENUE. TO PAY FOR WHAT WE  NEED IT. SO. THAT'S IT FROM ME  SO WE'RE GOING TO ALL  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE SORRY.  >> YEAH I GOT UP.  >> I GOT I GOT A CITY MANAGER.  BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON IT JUST NOW  ABOUT USING  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS THEM. YOU  KNOW DOING A REVENUE BOND THAT  WE WOULDN'T DO IT AT A 100%.  BUT LET'S WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  BROUGHT IN A 100 GRAND A  MONTH. AND WE NEEDED EXTRA  MONEY TO REBUILD IT. WHAT WE  JUST LOOK AT POSSIBLY SEEING  HOW MUCH WE CAN BORROW FOR  LET'S SAY 50,000 A MONTH AND  HAVE A SAVINGS OF 50,000 A  MONTH CASE IT DID SHUT DOWN  AND WHO WOULD MAKE THAT  DECISION WITH THAT COME BEFORE  THE COMMISSION OR WOULD THAT  BE STAFFED JUST GOING ALONG  WITH WHAT ADVISERS HAVE  SUGGESTED SAY HEY YOU CAN DO  IT ALL FOR THIS, BUT IT'S  GOING TO BE 75 GRAND A MONTH.  BUT THEN AGAIN IT MAY BE  HOLDING A SHORT JUST IN CASE  SOMETHING DID HAPPEN.  >> SO I WILL SAY THAT BASED ON  YOUR QUESTION YES, YOU AS A  COMMISSION WITH ONLINE AND  AGREE TO THE. DETAILS OF  WHATEVER THE ARRANGEMENT IS  GOING TO LOOK LIKE IT IN YOUR  EXAMPLE, THE BECAUSE IF THE  AIM SAYING IT TO GET IN THAT  CHANGE. I WOULD HAVE THINK  THAT YOU HAVE SOME FUN BOUNCE  THERE FROM THAT ACTIVITY A  WOMAN SPRINGS TO HELP YOU WHEN  YOU NEED IT WE'RE NOT  ADVOCATING TO IT'S BEEN  EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE THAT  A COW OR. DOES THAT MEAN THAT  REASON BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT  AND NOW IT WOULD BE A  FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE THAT  WOULD BE CREATED TO SHOW YOU  WHAT A GOOD SCENARIO OF  INVESTMENT IN ACTION SHOULD BE  TOWARD GETTING WHAT YOU'RE  TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.  >> BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE  SURE THAT WE HAD SOME SORT OF  SAFETY NET GOING FORWARD,  WHICH IS SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS  BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO IT  RESPONSIBLY WE DON'T WANT TO  JUST MORE MONEY JUST BECAUSE  WE GET STUFF DONE HOPE IT GOES  WELL. WE WANT TO HAVE A  STRATEGIC PLAN TO DO IT  PROPERLY SO AND AND YOU'VE  YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS  SO I ASSUME YOU'VE GOT THAT IN  THE BALLGAME ALREADY I JUST  WANTED TO MAKE SURE ESPECIALLY  FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY'RE  THEY'RE GOING TO START SAYING  WELL, WE'RE GOING TOMORROW FOR  EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD  TO BORROW FOR EVERYTHING WE  HAVE TO MAKE IT OUR NEEDS WHAT  THE CITIZENS OF STAR.  >> YES, SIR AND ALSO JUST TO  SAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE  BOTTOM THE BAR AND PATTERNS OF  THOSE PEOPLE AROUND US BARRING  DOESN'T HAPPEN EVERY DAY IT'S  NOT A EXTREMELY PRE COULD BE  YOU REALLY LIKE YOU SAID HAVE  TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU NOT ONLY  HAVE THE INTERNAL THE ACTUAL  CONTROL THE PLACE TO MAKE SURE  THAT THE BARRING MATCHES THE  ABILITY TO PAY IT  >> RIGHT AND I DO BELIEVE WE  DO NEED THIS TOOL IN THE TOOL  BOX. JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS  AND AND FOR SOME OF OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE GOING FORWARD  SO THAT THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR  DOWN THERE.  >> VICE MAYOR. BACK UP A  LITTLE ONE.  >> THIS CONVERSATION IS THE  BEGINNING WHAT ARE GOING TO A  NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS AND  UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE IT  IS IMPORTANT NOT ONLY FOR US  AS A COMMISSION. BUT ALSO FOR  THE CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND.  REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO  HERE.  >> YOU KNOW TO TO TO REDEFINE  A COUPLE OF THINGS GENERAL  OBLIGATION THAT GENERAL  OBLIGATION BONDS OR ON  SANDWICH THE CITY PLEDGES. ITS  TOTAL RESOURCES. THINGS THAT  OR. HUGE IN TERMS OF DOLLARS  THINGS THAT FALL. OUTSIDE THE  REALM SPECIFIC PROJECTS. MUST  COME BEFORE. CITIZENS THAT'S  WHAT THE STATE STATUTES  DICTATE. PROJECTS LIKE THE  MINERAL SPRINGS, OR SOME OF  THE OTHERS, THE APPROACH WOULD  BE THROUGH TOO. YOU REVENUE  TYPE ON. REVENUE BONDS.  SPECIFICALLY DANA FI.  UTILIZATION AND MORE  IMPORTANTLY. HOW THEY'RE GOING  TO BE PAID WHAT SOURCES OF  REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE  UTILIZED TO PAY THAT REVENUE  AS OPPOSED TO THE GENERAL  PLEDGING OF CITY ASSETS THAT  OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND SO  IN ADDRESSING. A PROJECT ON  THE REVENUE PONCE FOR MINERAL  SPRINGS. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE  EXTREMELY SPECIFIC IN HOW WE  WERE PAYING IT BACK AND WE  WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOSE  BACKUP PLANS IN THE EVENT. THE  MARKET'S OFTEN IN THE EVENT WE  HAD OUR HURRICANE IN THE EVENT  WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE  SPRINGS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME  THAT IMPACTED RESIDENTS  BECAUSE. DEBT REPAYMENT  PROGRAM FOR REVENUE BOND IS  SPECIFIC TO THAT PARTICULAR  REVENUE BONDED DEBT. THAT THE  LENDER CAN'T JUST SAY OH  YOU'RE A CITY AND YOU JUST  HAVE TO RAISE YOUR TAXES TO  PAY IT BACK IT DOESN'T WORK  LIKE THAT WOULD REVENUE THAT'S  WHAT GENERAL OBLIGATION.  THAT'S FIRST OFF. IN LOOKING  AT THE WAY JUMPING A LITTLE.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL MADE A  GOOD POINT IT'S IMPORTANT  EXPLAIN IT FURTHER YOU KNOW.  AS BRING THIS TOGETHER IN IN  THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT. AS WELL AS THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT GOES  ALONG WITH IT. THERE TO BE A  REAL DEFINING OF THE TYPE OF  BORROWING YOU KNOW EXPRESSIONS  LIKE SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH  WHAT IS PUBLIC HEALTH MEAN.  ECONOMIC GROWTH IS PUBLIC  HEALTH IS THAT WHAT WE MEAN  HERE I DON'T KNOW BUT I CAN  TELL YOU THIS. IF YOU TAKE PFM  AND YOU TAKE COUNCIL. AND YOU  TAKE A FINANCIAL. IN HOUSE  FINANCIAL EXPERTS. THEY  CLEARLY DEFINED IN OUR DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICIES AND IN THE  LANGUAGE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE  SOME GOOD PARAMETERS WE'RE  GOING UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE  LANGUAGE WITH THAT LANGUAGE  MEANS ADDITIONALLY. IF IF IF  THIS IS EMBODIED IN THE  POLICY. WITH PUBLIC. MEETINGS  BEFORE MAJOR PROJECTS. THE  ABILITY AND THE PUBLIC TO  WEIGH IN AND US TO HAVE OPEN  DISCUSSIONS. WE CAN ALSO.  FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL  PROJECT DOES THIS QUALIFY IS  IS THIS, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THE  BEST WAY TO DO THIS. IT SHOULD  BE A GENERAL OBLIGATION SHOULD  WE GO OUT A PUBLIC REFERENDUM  SHOULD BE A REVENUE BOND  SHOULD IT JUST SIMPLY BE A  DIFFERENT TYPE OF FINANCING  THAT COULD BE DONE INTERNALLY  MEAN YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY.  FIGURE OUT EVERY SINGLE OPTION  TO ALL THIS, BUT WHAT YOU CAN  DO. IT'S CREATE A CHARTER  AMENDMENT THAT CREATES  FLEXIBILITY KINDA LIKE I KNOW  LIKE OUR COMP PLAN. IT SETS A  GENERAL PLAN. BUT THEN THE  ULDC SPECIFIES HOW OUR DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICIES WILL  REALLY DRILL DOWN ON. WHAT WE  CAN WHAT WE CAN DO WHAT  GUARDRAILS ARE THERE. HOW DO  WE HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHETHER  PROJECTS ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE  WE MAY FEEL IT'S NEEDED. WE  MAY NOT BE ABLE FOR IT. IT  DOESN'T TAKE PRIORITY OVER  WHAT PROJECT HOW DO WE DO THAT  THAT TIES INTO OUR BUDGETING  PROCESS AND OUR CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, THE FIRST  STEP AND THIS IS GOING TO BE  THESE 2 STUDIES THAT WILL COME  OUT THE END OF THE YEAR WE  DON'T NEED THEM TO GO  REFERENDA BUT WE SURE DO NEED  THEM GOING FORWARD AS WE  MANAGE.  >> IN A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE  WAY. OUR OUR AND SO WE CAN TO  2 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF  PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE TO VERY CAREFULLY PLANNED  AND STRATEGICALLY. LAY OUT OUR  CASH FLOWS JUST LIKE WE DO  WITH OUR BUDGETS. I MEAN  PLENTY WANTS AND NEEDS BUT WE  LEARN TO LIVE WITHIN OUR  GUIDELINES WITHIN WHAT WE CAN  DO. IF WE FIND WE NEED 2  LEVERAGE BY BORROWING AND OR  RAISE TAXES AND OR CHANGE  IMPACT FEES OR OTHER TYPES OF  FEES. THOSE ALL THINGS THAT GO  INTO WHAT WE DO ON A REGULAR  BASIS TO FISCALLY MANAGE. OUR  CITIES AFFAIRS. IT'S THE SAME  THING WITH THIS. WE NEED THE  ABILITY TO BORROW. AND THE  LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE SUCH THAT  IT ALLOWS FOR SOME DEGREE OF  FLEXIBILITY THAT THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICIES AND DRILL  DOWN ON ALL PARAMETERS WE WANT  AND THAT'S REALLY OUT OUT WE  NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. AS WAS  SAID EARLIER WITHOUT  DISABILITY, WE MISSED OUT ON  SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR  MATCHING FUNDS FOR FREE MONEY  OUT THERE WHICH. WHICH WE  CAN'T GO AFTER BECAUSE WE  DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO  BORROW FIRST AND THEN LOOK FOR  FOR THROUGH VARIOUS CROUCH.  YOU KNOW AGAIN THIS IT TO SUM  IT UP COMES COMES. BACK DOWN  TO. THERE'S ONLY SO MANY WAYS  TO PAY FOR THE CAPITAL NEEDS  WE HAVE WE HAVE THEY'RE NOT  GOING AWAY THESE PROJECTS ARE  GOING TO GET DONE. THEY'RE  EITHER GOING TO GET DONE ON  OUR RAISING OUR PROPERTY TAX  THAT SIMPLE WE COULD DO THAT  NOW. WE DON'T NEED ANY CHARTER  AMENDMENT 4 YOU CAN SIMPLY  RAISE TAXES AND GO AHEAD. PLOW  FORWARD PRIORITIZE OUR CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO WHAT  WE'VE GOT TO GET THINGS DONE.  TO ME THAT'S CRAZY TO BE ABLE  TO USE FUTURE CITIZENS AND  FUTURE BUSINESS TO HELP CARRY  THE RIGHT WAY TO DO TO BE ABLE  TO LEVERAGE BY BORROWING TO  GET GRANT MONEY SOME OTHER  THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. THE  OTHER SOLUTION IS TO SLASH OUR  BUDGETS TO THE BONE TO FREE UP  THAT MONEY. LET'S NOT IRANIAN  POLICE AND FIRE. SO WILL  DOUBLE OR TRIPLE OUR RESPONSE  TIMES. LET'S SELL OR PARKLAND  LET'S TWO-WAY WITH QUALITY OF  LIFE STUFF, NOBODY WANTS TO DO  THAT AND NOBODY IS GOING TO  THAT SO THAT IS VIABLE SO WHAT  ARE REALLY THE OPTIONS.  RAISING OUR TAXES OR HAVING  THIS ABILITY ONCE YOU MAKE  THAT DECISION ONCE YOU REALIZE  THAT TOOLS ESSENTIAL. THEN ALL  THE REST IS SIMPLY ABOUT  PUTTING IN PLACE POLICIES THAT  MAKE SURE WE DO IT THE  FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MANNER  WHICH IS THE SAME THING WE DO  NOW EVEN WITHOUT TOOL. BUT IF  WE'RE NOT DOING IT FISCALLY  RESPONSIBLE. WHAT'S GOING TO  GOING TO OFFICE WHICH IS  SOMETIMES WHAT YOU AND  SOMETIMES YOU SO THERE'S NO  DIFFERENCE ANYWAY, OK.  >> THANK MY YEAR OF OCSO K.  THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU PROFESSOR THAT TO  TORY THAT'S GREAT. I HAVE  QUESTIONS SLASHED REQUEST.  WE'RE GOING INTO THE SHORT  STROKES OF OUR BUDGETING  PROCESS FOR 2025 WILL BE GOING  THROUGH. OUR CAPITOL PLANNING.  AND AND THIS MIGHT BE A MAN  WHO ON MY PART. MY EXPERIENCE  THIS YEAR WITH BOTH THE POLICE  HEADQUARTERS THE EMERGENCY  OPERATIONS CENTER EOC KIND OF  FELT LIKE.  >> THOSE.  >> CAME AT ME OUT OF THE BLUE.  >> AND I REALLY WASN'T  EXPECTING THEM AND AS I  THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I I REALLY  LIKE FIRE AND RESCUE PLANNING  BECAUSE IT'S ONE TERM AND  CLEARLY IDENTIFY OVER TIME.  BUT THEIR CAPITAL REQUIREMENTS  ARE GOING TO BE FOR BUILDING.  AND THEN ON CAPITAL THINGS  EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL,  SPECIFIC TO CAPITAL PLANNING.  I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE TIME  TO DO THIS THIS YEAR ARE NOT  EARTH. WE'RE ALREADY THINKING  OF APPROACHING OUR CAPITAL  PLANNING IN THIS MANNER. IT  WOULD BE HELPFUL TO IF AS WE  GO THROUGH OUR CIP PROJECTS IF  WE COULD ALSO DO UP FIRST  PASS. OUR LARGEST TATER  HIGHLIGHT THOSE PROJECTS.  MIGHT THE CONSIDERED FOR A  GENERAL BOND OR REVENUE ON. I  THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO  HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT  LEAST IN A PRELIMINARY WAY  WE'VE HAVE OUR BORROWING  AUTHORITY WE WON'T HAVE OUR  POLICY DONE BY THEM. BUT I I  WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A  BETTER VIEW OF MAJOR CAPITAL  PROJECTS FACING THE CITY. WHEN  WE THINK THEY MIGHT HAPPEN.  HOW WE'RE THINKING WE WOULD  FUND THEM I I DON'T KNOW IF  THAT'S PREMATURE FOR THIS  CYCLE, BUT I THINK CITY  MANAGER WANTS TO NOT SURE.  >> WE GET REQUESTS KIND OF A  BLUE TOO REQUEST. THE CAPITAL  PROGRAM THAT YOU ASKED US TO  DO FOR THE PROJECT THE  BORROWING IS INCLUDED BUT WHAT  WE WILL GET UP AT AND THEY DO  THEIR WORK. OK IN OUR CIP  RIGHT NOW EACH POD SAYS I WAS  GOING TO BE SO THAT IS THEY  ARE AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE  IN IT AND WE CAN HAVE A  CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WE  WOULD THINK THAT WOULD TO OF  THE OTHER PART OF YOUR  QUESTION WHAT WE LOOK AT AS WE  GO THROUGHOUT, BUT COULD BE  SOMETHING WE WOULD OR CONSIDER  OR GIVEN EXAMPLES OF OKAY LOOK  AT THE POLICE STATION WITHIN  YOUR BUDGET LAST YEAR.  >> IT SAID IT WAS AND THAT  CAME OUT OF THE CONVERSATION  OF US MEETING WITH IS IT  CONSULTED SO WE DIDN'T WANT  IT, BUT WE KNEW THAT IT WAS A.  AS WE WERE GOING TO GO  FORWARD. NOW WANT TO JUST TAKE  A LITTLE STEP, BUT YOU SAID IF  IT IS FUNDED WHERE DO WE  REALLY WE COULD POTENTIAL  FUNDING SOURCE AND THEN  ACTUALLY SORT OF LOOK AT IT  THAT WAY BUT AGAIN GENERAL  OBLIGATION MOST FREQUENTLY  USED. WHEN TOMORROW ALWAYS  JUST GO TO A VOTER REFERENDUM  ANYWAY. IT'S THE OTHER  ABILITIES FOR US TO TAKE  ADVANTAGE OF LIKE OTHER UNITS  AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN NOT  GO OUT EVERY TIME WE NEED TO  BUT WE'RE STILL GOING GO OUT  TO THE PUBLIC WHICH IS  >> AGAIN AND THE PROCESS THAT  WE CURRENTLY HAVE WE HAVE A  BINDER LIKE WITH CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. MANY  MANY MANY OF THEM ARE UNFUNDED  IT'S SO THAT THERE'S NO  SPOTLIGHT, KNOW WHAT I'M  SAYING THERE ARE THINGS YOU  LOOK AT THEY'RE NOT FUNDED  THAT'S OKAY, IT'S NOT. YOU  KNOW WE I THINK HAVE OUR OWN  MEASURE OF SORT OF WHAT HITS  THE THIS IS IMPORTANT AND AND  WHAT DOESN'T SO IF THERE JUST  SOME WAY AND THIS CYCLE I JUST  DON'T WANT TO BE SURPRISING BY  SOMETHING SO IMPORTANT AND SO  BIG IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED  TO PULL IT I'D LIKE TO SEE  THAT COMING.  >> LEAST IN EUROPE TO THEM AND  I THINK WE CAN CREATE A DOCTOR  THAT ARISE AS THE DIFFERENT  UNFUNDED QUEST. THIS A TOTAL  OF THEM AND THAT MAY HELP SORT  OF RIGHT THAT PICTURE FOR THAT  WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU  APPRECIATE IT, YOU KNOW, OKAY.  THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DOUBT.  DURING THE PRESENTATION YOU  MENTIONED THE NORTH POINT MY  SON. AND THAT THEY'RE LOOKING  AT THIS THAT POLICY IS THAT  LOOKING THEY I'VE NEVER HEARD  OF THEM.  >> POLICY THEY ARE GROUP THAT  HAS COME FORWARD TO SAY THEY  WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT US IN  OUR EFFORT IN ORDER TO GET  THIS REFERENDUM PASSED THROUGH  THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY SEE  THE VALUE IN WHAT WE NEED AS  FAR AS HUMIDITY TOMORROW.  >> TRYING TO DRAW A PARALLEL.  I'M NOT SURE WHO THESE PEOPLE  ARE BUT THE CHAMBER HELP JUST  WITH THE SURTAX IS THAT KIND  LIKE THE. YES SIMILARITY THIS  I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE HAD  SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT WITH  THE CHAMBER WE GOING.  >> WE ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THIS  ONE AT ALL THIS IS TOTALLY  THIRD-PARTY INDEPENDENT OF THE  CITY BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT  ALLOWED TO ITS RESOURCES ON  EFFORTS LIKE THIS.  >> WE'RE FEEDING THEM  INFORMATION ABOUT THIS  REFERENDUM, CORRECT.  >> INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE  OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS  ALL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN  SHARE REACH AN ADVOCATE WE GO  TO THE FACT THEY WILL HAVE THE  SAME INFORMATION THAT THE  PUBLIC  >> I JUST NEVER HEARD FRIEND  WANTED TO GET A BETTER  UNDERSTANDING.  >> YOU HAD 5 CITIES AND 2  COUNTIES IS COMPARABLE  COMMUNITIES. APPROACH TO DEBT  LIMITS. HOW ARE THESE CITIES  CHOSEN UP.  >> SO SO THE THE SAME CITY  THAT WE USE WHEN WE DO OUR  BUDGET PRESENTATIONS THAT WE  SHOW YOU WHETHER IT'S TAPPING  WHETHER IT'S FINANCIAL.  PROXIMITY ON THE WAR WAS THAT  SORT OF COUNTY YOU GOVERN THAT  WAY TO CONTINUE MORE WITH  EITHER VERY VERY CITIES WOULD  BE THIS PLACE WE DO WITH THE  COMMISSION REPORT.  >> THE AND THOSE CITIES WERE  SELECTED BASED ON POPULATION  GROWTH RATES PER CAPITA INCOME  MEDIAN RENTS THAT WAS A NUMBER  OF FACTORS THAT WE SELECTED  THOSE IF YOU REMEMBER WAY BACK  WHEN WE STARTED USING 6 CITIES  AND THEN WE STARTED INVOLVING  PFM ACTUALLY RAN SOME MORE  COMPARABLE IS AND THEY HAD IT.  >> MAYBE 3 MORE CITIES, I'M  MORE CITIES THAT ARE VERY  COMPARABLE COURT.  >> I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON  THE CITY'S AND. I COULDN'T  FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THAT  THE CITY'S HAD OUTSIDE OF  GENERAL OBLIGATION WHICH IS  PAID FOR BY. VALOREM TAXES.  THE CITIES HAVE A CONSIDERABLY  HIGHER MILITARY. THE CITY OF  PORT. SOME SOME CITIES ARE UP  IN THE 7 POINT. AND THEN THEY  HAVE GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT  ON TOP OF THAT. QUITE SEE HOW  MANY OF THESE ARE COMPARABLE,  BUT. MY MIND BASED ON THE  QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED HIM  HEARING FROM MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS. I'M HEARING.  AND LIKE ALL OVER THE PLACE.  >> THIS IS FOR EMERGENCIES.  THIS IS FOR DISASTER RECOVERY.  THIS IS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE  THIS IS FUTURE PROJECTS MIGHT  NEED.  >> AND IN MY MIND TO ASK THE  VOTERS TOO. WE MOVED THEIR  AUTHORITY. NEEDS TO HAVE. CAP  ON IT. BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING  THE CITIZENS TO GIVE UP SOME  OF THEIR AUTHORITY. TRUST US.  AND I'VE ALREADY HAD A  CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY  MANAGER ABOUT. THE LAST VOTER  REFERENDUM. 62% SAID NO.  BECAUSE THERE WAS NO.  PROTECTIONS IT WAS NO CHECKS  AND BALANCES THERE WAS THERE  WAS. TO ME THAT VOTE OF 62%  NO. SHOW ME AND I'M ONLY  SPEAKING FOR ME. THAT THE  CITIZENS HAVE A LACK OF  CONFIDENCE. IN THANK GOD IT.  OR ELSE THEY WOULD HAVE  APPROVED. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO  APPROVE THIS VOTER REFERENDUM  TO REMOVE THEIR ABILITY TO IT.  TO SAY YES FOR ISSUING DEBT.  AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE  NEED TO TO HAVE SOME SPENDING  AUTHORITY UP TO. BUT IT'S UP  TO A CAP IN MY MIND BECAUSE  IT'S FOR EMERGENCIES. WE NEED  TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT RIGHT  AWAY. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO  TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT FREE  MONEY THAT MIGHT OUT THERE. I  DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CAP IS  I'M HEARING FROM A COUPLE OF  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT  THERE SHOULD BE 0.  IF THE PREVIOUS REFERENDUM IS  ANY INDICATOR. THIS ONE IS  GOING TO FAIL TO. AND I'M  CURIOUS WHAT IS THE  CONTINGENCY PLAN. IF THIS  FAILS. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE  THERE SHOULD BE SOME AMOUNT OF  MONEY THAT CITY ISSUE DEBT OR.  WHEN YOU PUT A CAP ON IT IT  SURELY CLEAR CLEARLY  IDENTIFIES WHAT SOME URGENCY.  BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST NOT  GOING TO ISSUE ANY TYPE OF  DEBT. IF IT'S NOT EMERGENCY  BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO  THE VOTERS. THERE'S NOTHING  PREVENTING US FROM GOING TO A  VOTER REFERENDUM RIGHT NOW FOR  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. WE'VE  HEARD THAT HEY IF WE HAVE THIS  VOTER REFERENDUM PASSED WILL  BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF POLICE  STATION WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE  CARE OF WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  I'M REALLY ABLE TO TAKE CARE  OF A WIDE VARIETY OF THINGS  MEANWHILE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE  STORES FAILING AND WE STILL  GOT TO FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.  WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO  MAINTAIN WE WE HAVE ROADS THAT  NEED TO BE DONE. WE HAVE A  CONNECTIVITY NEED IN THE CITY.  THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT  PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED TO BE  DONE. BUT IT'S SOUNDING TO ME  LIKE THIS REFERENDUM IS GOING  TO BE THE END-ALL CURE ALL.  AND THAT. THERE'S PROTECTIONS  IN PLACE THERE'S NO CHECKS AND  BALANCES THAT I'M SEEING BASED  ON THE WHITE PAPER BASED ON.  >> THE.  >> REFERENDUM LANGUAGE. TO  ISSUE DEBT ONLY IF IT'S AN  EMERGENCY OR CITY NEED I MEAN  THAT ANYTHING CAN BE FIT INTO  THAT CATEGORY THAT'S IN THE  REFERENDUM WAY THAT YOU CAN  PUT PAID ABOUT WHATEVER WE  WANT TO. WE HAVEN'T.  >> SHOWN THE VOTERS.  >> THAT THEY CAN TRUST US  THERE THERE'S. THERE'S A LOT  OF THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED  IN THIS PAST YEAR PAST COUPLE  YEARS. I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED  THAT THIS IS GOING TO PASS  WITH THE WAY THAT THIS FULL  PROCESS IS WORKING NOW  NOTHING'S BEEN PROVEN YET TO  US. WE HAVE SO MUCH  INFORMATION THAT IS NOT  BROUGHT FORWARD TO GIVE TO THE  VOTERS TO GIVE THEM THE  CONFIDENCE TO GIVE THEM THE  COMFORT LEVEL TO JUST SAY YES  REMOVE MY ABILITY TO SAY YES  OR NO TO ISSUING JUST AND OR  JET AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO  FUTURE CONVERSATIONS. REALLY  THINK WE HAVE TO PUT A CAP ON  THIS FOR US IT'S GOING TO FAIL  AGAIN. IT FAILED THE LAST TIME  BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CAP.  >> CITY MANAGER.  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR TO  RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS.  >> THE BECAUSE BECAUSE BELIEVE  DUE TO LACK OF CHECKS AND  BALANCES LACK OF CONTROL THAT  DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS  ACCURATE.  >> I THINK THEY'LL DO TO BE.  THEY WORRY AND WHERE CONTROL  IS GOING TO BE HARD TO TAKE  AWAY FROM TENNIS IS BECAUSE  THEY'VE BEEN THEY'VE HAD IT  FOR SO LITTLE. AND WITH THOSE  WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE  ADVOCATING IT FOR YOU IN ON  YOUR SIDE TO GOVERNOR  GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ARE IT  MAKES IT THAT MUCH HARDER TO  ACCOMPLISH. SO TO ME THAT'S A  CONTROL ISSUE THAT NOT  JUST NORTH PORT SETTLES WITH  BUT EVERYONE TO DO IT. IT  TAKES PLAY DOESN'T HAPPEN IS  THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF  THE ASSETS OF THE CITY ONE WAY  OR THE OTHER. WE'RE DOING IT  IN THIS WAY IS THE MOST DIRECT  WAY IS THE WAY THAT OTHERS. IN  THE SO IT'S THAT MUCH OF AN  ASK THAT WE ALL OF THIS  PATHWAY. ABOUT WE HAVE SHOWN  THE VOTERS THAT CAN TRUST US  THAT IS NOT TRUE ON OUR SIDE  OF IT. IT'S NOT MAYBE TO WEAR  THE FROM SITE WE PROVE EVERY  DAY THAT WE CAN BE TRUSTED  WHETHER IT'S THE STAFF THAT WE  HAVE CREDENTIALS THAT WE HAVE  A TOTAL AUGUST X ON IT ALL CAN  SHOW THAT WE HAVE A PLACE TO  MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN BE  TRUSTED WITH WHAT WE KNOW I DO  NOT WANT THAT STUDENTS TO GO  JUST AS IT RELATES TO WHAT WE  DO HOW WE DO IT NOW WE GO  GLOBAL. THANK AND TO JUST  REITERATE.  >> PERCEPTION IS NOT OURS  PERCEPTION IS THERE'S THE  TAXPAYERS AND THE VOTERS AND  THE PERCEPTION THAT I HAVE  BEEN HEARING CONSISTENTLY.  >> THERE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT  THING.  >> IS THEM SCREAMING YOU'RE  NOT HEARING US. WHICH THEN  BREEDS LACK OF CONFIDENCE AND  LACK OF TRUST IN CITY MANAGER  YOU HAVE NOT ADDRESSED ANY  OTHER COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS  AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN  COMPLETELY IN LINE WITH  EVERYTHING THAT YOU AND STAFF  ARE TRAINED TO DO MINE IS NOT  SAYING THAT I'M DISAGREEING  100% I AM SHOWING CAUTION TO  THIS PROCESS THAT YOU ARE  WANTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH  AND I AM EXPRESSING CONCERN  THAT THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE  ARE NOT HAVING THE CONFIDENCE  THAT YOU. OUR THINKING THAT  YOU HAVE. THAT NO NEED FOR ANY  MORE COMMENT CITY MANAGER  MAYOR WAS THERE WITH  >> IF WE LISTEN TO ALL THE  PEOPLE WHO CAME UP HERE IN A  PUBLIC COMMENT AND WHAT THEY  SAID. NONE OF US WILL BE HAPPY  OR SATISFIED WITH BEING THE  TOP THAT WE'RE DOING IT  KNOWING THAT SOME OF US UP  HERE ARE POPPING THESE PEOPLE  TO COME STAY THESE ITEMS. WE  KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE LARGE  PART OF THE CITY APPRECIATES  WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE LAST  FEW YEARS WE'RE GOING TO DO IN  THE NEXT FEW YEARS. WE KNOW  THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT COFFIN  THAT WE BELIEVE THAT COME  NOVEMBER, THE MAJORITY THE  CITY WILL UNDERSTAND AND BE  ABLE TO. AGREE THAT THAT NONE  OF THE POLICY THAT WE'RE GOING  TO PUT INTO PLACE GUARDRAIL  THAT WE PUT IN PLACE ONLY BE  TO THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY FOR  MANY GENERATIONS TO COME.  >> YES, QUITE DIFFERENCES OF  OPINION THERE I KNOW FROM MY  OWN EXPERIENCE THAT.  >> PEOPLE.  >> WE'RE HAPPY WITH THINGS AND  TO SILENT ABOUT IT THEY ARE  LAST ONES JUST TO MAKE AN  EFFORT TO COME OUT HERE AND  SAY ALL THAT THAT WAS GREAT  WHAT YOU DID. I WANT TO PUT IT  OUT THERE. ALSO THAT FOR THIS  FROM PEOPLE YOU'RE NOT  LISTENING TO US AND IT TO ME  IT'S REALLY BECAUSE JUST NOT  GETTING. THE RESULTS. THEY  WANT IT DOESN'T MEAN. I'M NOT  LISTENING OR ANYBODY UP HERE  IS NOT LISTENING IT'S JUST NOT  WHAT YOU AND THAT'S THAT'S 2  DIFFERENT TENTS. AGAIN MAKING  DECISIONS THEY'RE HARD  DECISIONS I ALWAYS EQUATED TO  BEING A PARENT AND I WAS  RAISING MY TEENAGE SON, YES  THAT I WASN'T INTERESTED BEING  HIS FRIEND. I WASN'T  INTERESTED IN AND DOING THINGS  THAT WHAT RESULT IN AN  ARGUMENT MADE THOSE TOUGH  DECISIONS OFTEN BE MAD AND  WHATEVER BUT THIS IS THE BEST  DECISION AND THAT'S WHAT SOME  OF THESE ARE THERE THEY'RE  HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE AND  AGAIN AS SOMEONE WHO HAS I  JUST LIVED HERE FOR 33 YEARS,  BUT I'VE BEEN IMMERSED IN  INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY FOR  33 YEARS I REMEMBER GOING TO  ALL KINDS OF LAND DEVELOPMENT  PROJECTS WHEN THEY ARE AT THE  OLD CITY HALL AND THEY I  WASN'T INVOLVED WITH THEM  PERSONALLY THEY WEREN'T TAKING  PLACE WHERE I WAS LIVING BUT I  WAS INTERESTED IN EVERY SINGLE  DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SO THAT  THERE'S NOT ONE PROJECT YOU  CAN POINT TO IN THE CITY THAT  I WASN'T THERE FOR WHAT THEY  USED TO CALL THE CONCEPT PLAN  DEVELOP THAT THEY HELD KINDS  OF PLANS BEFORE IT ACTUALLY  PROGRAM WE'VE COME A LONG WAY  SINCE THEN. AND I KNOW WHAT  IT'S LIKE FOR A PILINGS TO NOT  BE TRANSPARENT AS I LIVE  THROUGH THAT AND I CAN TELL  YOU THIS IS LIKE DAY AND  NIGHT. EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE  THERE IS NO REASON WHY PEOPLE  DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.  AND AGAIN JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE  NOT GETTING WHAT YOU WANT  DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT  LISTENING HERE. I DID HAVE A  QUESTION ABOUT. THIS IS  RELEVANT OR NOT BUT THE ROBOT  ASKED YEARS AGO THAT WE'RE ALL  ASSESS FOR THAT WHAT KIND ON  WAS THAT. WAS A REVENUE BOND  BECAUSE IT AND THAT REVENUE  WAS TO BE THAT ASSESSMENT WERE  THE PAY IRAN AND THEN I JUST  DON'T UNDERSTAND THE  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WE TALK  GENERAL BONDS AND IT'S IT'S A  REVENUE BOND. SO THAT'S HOW  THE REVENUE WAS STATED THAT WE  WOULD HAVE AN ASSESSMENT EVERY  EVERY PROPERTY OWNER FOR THAT  ON AND THAT WAS A 25 YEAR THAT  I 25 AND PEOPLE HAVE THE  ABILITY TO PAY THAT UP FRONT  THEY WANT TO PAY THE WHOLE  THING OFF. I WASN'T HERE.  THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE  CONSIDERED A REVENUE BOUGHT SO  THAT COULD BE THE REVENUE  SOURCE IS AN ADDITIONAL  ASSESSMENT BUT THAT'S WHAT  THAT WAS OK AND EVERYBODY WAS  VERY HAPPY. WHEN THOSE ROADS  WERE DONE AND AGAIN MOST OF  OUR NEW RESIDENTS HAVE NO IDEA  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE  YOU CAME HERE AND ALL THE  ROADS FORGOTTEN. AND THEN LOOK  BEAUTIFUL BUT BEFORE THAT WE  HAD CHURCH HAD LOT OF OUR  ROADS WERE JUST DOWN TO THE  DIRT. SO THAT WAS NECESSARY  AND THANKFULLY IT WAS PASSED  TO DO THAT. AND I THINK. I'M  SORRY I'M JUST TRYING MAKE AND  AND THEN THE COMMENT WAS  BORROW FOR EVERYTHING BUT  THERE'S VERY SPECIFIC REASONS  WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BORROW FOR  THEIR THERE IN THAT LANGUAGE  ONE IN 2. AGAIN I THINK THE  IMPLICATION IS BAR FOR  EVERYTHING MEANS SOMETHING US  WE'RE GOING TO MAKE I DON'T  KNOW IS THE WORLD HERE OR  SOMETHING BUT THAT HAS TO BE  VERY SPECIFIC TO THOSE 2  CATEGORIES AND THAT'S HOW I I  READ THAT SO I DON'T.  SUBSCRIBE THINK MINUTES FOR  ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING LIKE  IT'S SOMETHING FOR VOTES. AND  THAT'S THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS  SO YES, ALL GET OFF THAT SO  BOX THAT TO. VICE MAYOR PASSED  ALONG TO ME. ALL COMMISSIONER  LANGDON I'M THE MANAGER JUST  REALLY BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST  SAID THIS IS. ESPECIALLY IN  THE WORKOUT THAT WE HAVE IT  REALLY TOO ABOUT SPECIFIC AS  YOU CAN GET AS IT STATES TO  WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR.  >> THERE ARE OTHER IN MANY IN  10 DOUBLE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF OTHER  THINGS THAT CAN TIED TO THIS  THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND  MULTIPLE MULTIPLE WAYS. SO WE  DO WANT ANYONE TO THINK BY ANY  STRETCH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO  NOT SAY WHAT WE WANT TO DO  THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT  BUT I WANTED WRITE. THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S  HOW I READ IT AND AS VERY  STRONG PARAMETERS TO IT.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE  FEW POINTS A COUPLE OF THEM IN  RESPONSE TO OUR CONVERSATION  TODAY. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT  I THINK I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY  UP HERE THAT WE REALLY STRIVE  EVERY SINGLE DAY TO DO THE  BEST FOR THE MOST.  >> AND.  >> WHEN FOLKS COME HERE TO  PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING THEY  MAY OR MAY NOT REPRESENT THE  COMMUNITY AT LARGE AND WE'RE  RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY, NOT  JUST A SMALL GROUP THAT'S  PASSIONATE ABOUT A PARTICULAR  TOPIC. YOU KNOW JUST NEVER  CONFUSE LISTENING AND  AGREEING. THEY'RE NOT THE SAME  THING. AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED.  AND IN TERMS OF CONTROL. THERE  ARE 2 THINGS THAT WILL CONTROL  ALL OUR ABILITY TO BORROW AND  AND THAT IS WHAT'S IN THAT  REFERENDUM. LANGUAGE AND IT'S  VERY SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF THE  TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD  BORROW FOR. AND. WE'RE  PLANNING TO BORROW.  >> PART OF OUR ALL OF.  >> THAT. PAYMENT IS GOING TO  COME FROM TAXES I MEAN THAT'S  A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND  THAT'S GOING TO GO  ♪ TO REFERENDUM. ANYWAY. AND  THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR DEBT  POLICY AND SO I I  ♪ THINK THERE ARE A REALLY  STRONG GUARDRAILS. TO WHAT THE  CITY WILL DO AND NOT DO  RELATIVE TO BORROWING. I THINK  THOSE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF  CONFUSION ON WHAT A WHITE  PAPER IS TYPICALLY A WHITE  PAPER IS AN ANALYSIS OF THE  MARKET WE'RE SORT OF THE  UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S  POSSIBLE. IT SHOULDN'T BE  CONFUSED WITH THE DEBT POLICY.  SO THERE ARE REALLY 2 VERY  DIFFERENT THINGS AND THE WHITE  PAPER IS YES VERY VERY GENERAL  AND READING THROUGH IT.  >> ARE GOING ON FOR MY DEAD  BODY CONVERSATION SO I JUST  WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS  BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO  BE ANY CONFUSION THAT THE  WHITE PAPER WAS GOING TO GUIDE  OUR THAT POLICY, IT'S JUST  SORT OF A DESCRIPTION OUR  ANALYSIS OF ALL THE  POSSIBILITIES IN THE UNIVERSE.  YOU  >> ALL COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> OH NO MAN, I'M  >> I JUST.  >> I DIDN'T WANT THANK I  FORGOT ABOUT IT IS THINK I  WENT THROUGH A SECOND ROUND.  >> I PUT MY PO BOX AWAY. OKAY,  THANK YOU SO BY YOU TALKING A  LITTLE ABOUT PROCESS, YOU KNOW  WE'RE.  >> THE LANGUAGE IN THE IN  CHARTER AMENDMENT REFERENDUM.  SLAYING WHICH. SPECIFIES  CLEARED EMERGENCY SAFETY  PUBLIC HEALTH. HE FM. OUR  FINANCIAL. CONSULTANTS AND OUR  BOND COUNCIL. HELP WEIGH IN  ON. THE DEFINITIONS THOSE  CATEGORIES. AND THEY FORMED  THE BASIS BY WHICH. PROJECTS  FOR WITHIN OR OUTSIDE THE  SCOPE OF THOSE 3. THANKS. AND  THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'RE IN  NOW. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED  TO BETTERING CLEARLY  MORTIFYING KNOWS AND THEY'RE  NOT DONE YET. WE DON'T HAVE  SOMETHING BEFORE WERE SAYING  THEY WERE WORKING ON THIS. THE  IDEA IS IF WE USE THE GUARD  ONCE DECLARED EMERGENCY SAFETY  AND PUBLIC HEALTH AND WE  DEFINE THEM. WE SHOULD HAVE A  PRETTY GOOD BASIS FOR WHICH WE  CAN DETERMINE WHICH PROJECTS  FALL WITHIN AND OUTSIDE. I  APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, LET'S  FACE IT THERE OR  MUNICIPALITIES OR COUNTIES  THAT HAVE CERTAIN PRODUCT  LIMITS. WORTHY  DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW THERE  THERE DAMAGE TO BE MADE FOR  PUTTING THAT LIMITS IN OR NOT.  THE REALITY IS YOU CAN ALWAYS  GET BY AND MUNICIPALITIES AND  COUNTIES HAVE DONE THAT  BREAKING UP BIG PROJECTS INTO  SMALLER PROJECTS THAT FIT  UNDER THAT CAP.  >> SO IS THAT REALLY WHAT ELSE  TO FALLING. GOOD PROCESS. YOU  KNOW IT COMES BACK AGAIN. I  HEARD COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  SAY THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD  CONCERNS THAT. AND AND AND I  WOULD SAY THAT THERE WE'LL  ALWAYS BE A SEGMENT OF THE  PUBLIC WHO DOES NOT TRUST  GOVERNMENT. DOES NOT BELIEVE  IN GOVERNMENT WHO DON'T  BELIEVE IN BEING TAXED AND I  GET THAT AND THEY ARE ENTITLED  TO THEIR OPINIONS FOR THE  REASONS THEY GIVE. I HAVE NO  ARGUMENT WITH THAT EXCEPT THAT  THIS IS NOT ABOUT TRUST. IT'S  NOT. IT'S ABOUT A TOOL. IT'S  ABOUT TOOL THAT HELPS US. THE  MORE EFFICIENT. THE MORE  FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND ALLOW  US TO LEVERAGE SO THAT THE  BURDEN OF THESE PROJECTS WHICH  WE ARE GOING TO DO. FUTURE  COMMISSIONS WE WILL DO IN  THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE WITHOUT  THEM THE CITY CAN SURVIVING  CAN'T. FOR SO THE QUESTION IS.  WE WILL TAKE IT ON THE CHIN.  OR DO WE HAVE A TOOL IN THE  TOOL BOX AND ENABLES LESS TO  ALLOW FUTURE CITIZENS AND  BUSINESS TO HELP PAY FOR IT.  THAT'S A LITTLE THIS IS THE  SAME FINANCIAL.  RESPONSIBILITY, GOOD  STEWARDSHIP OF TAX DOLLARS FOR  THIS FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT.  THOSE PRINCIPLES THAT  LEADERSHIP AND STAFF BY WHICH  WE ARE JUDGED. ARE KNOWN FOR  WITH THIS TOOL OR WITHOUT THIS  TOOL. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE,  IT'S JUST ONE TIES ARE HAND  BEHIND THE BAT AND BY HAVING  THIS TOOL OR A LITTLE FREER TO  BE MORE RESPONSIBLE TOOK BE  BETTER STEWARDS OF THE CITIZEN  SPECIALS THAT IS THE QUESTION.  IT'S NOT DO YOU TRUST US IF  DON'T TRUST GET RID OF US. I  HEAR IT FROM COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL AND I HEAR IT FROM A  GROUP OF CITIZENS OUT THERE  THAT THEY DO NOT TRUST. FOR  SOMEONE ELSE. OKAY FINE PEOPLE  WHO WILL STEP UP WITH THE  TALENT, THE EXPERTISE TO DO A  BETTER JOB THAN WE GET UP  EVERY DAY TRYING TO DO WHAT WE  CAN DO FOR THE BEST FOR THE  MOST. IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT  IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW WE DO  IT REPLACE BUT DON'T TIE US OR  ANY FUTURE COMMISSIONERS HANDS  BEHIND THEIR BACKS AND MAKE IT  HARDER FOR US TO DO RIGHT BY  YOU THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT  NOT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. THANK  YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> IT'S NOT ME SAYING  ANYTHING. ISSUE SO IT'S NOT TO  NOT SAYING ANYTHING I'M USING  THE EXAMPLE.  >> THE LAST HURDLE REFERENDUM  THAT 62% OF THE PEOPLE SAID NO  TO ALLOWING THE CITY MANAGER  JUST SIGN A CONTRACT AND I'M  TRYING TO POINT OUT THE FACT  IF YOU WANT THIS REFERENDUM TO  PASS YOU HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE  THAT 62% OF THE PEOPLE THAT  VOTED NO FOR THE CITY MANAGER  TO SIGN A CONTRACT. IS NOW  UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE  OF THIS AND JUST GIVING KURT  LAUNCH IS NOT AFFECTING THAT  TRUST AND THAT CONFIDENCE IN  THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HERE OR  THE CITY. GOVERNMENT AS A  WHOLE. IF YOU WANT THEM TO  VOTE FOR THIS GOT TO GIVE THEM  SOMETHING THAT THEY HANDS ON.  AND JUST SAY NO WE DON'T WANT  ANY LIMITS IS NOT THE WAY TO  DO IT THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING  TO GET ACROSS. THE VOTERS ARE  ULTIMATELY GOING TO DECIDE  REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAY  REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SAY  REGARDLESS OF WHAT CITY  MANAGER SAYS. THE VOTERS ARE  GOING TO DECIDE. I'M JUST  POINTING OUT THE FACT OF WHAT  HAPPENED US THAT LESS THAN 2  YEARS AGO. AND THERE'S BEEN A  LOT STUFF THAT HAS HAPPENED  SINCE THEN. AND IF YOU THINK  MINORITY ARE ONLY THE ONES  THAT ARE COMING TO THIS AND  GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT. I  DOCUMENT TO PROVE THAT AND  62% OF THE POPULATION AND THE  VOTERS OF THE CITY. I YIELD IN  THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO DECIDE  I LOOK FORWARD TO THE  CONVERSATION HOW TO GET THEM  TO SAY YES THAT'S WHAT I'M  TRYING TO FOCUS ON.  >> THANK YOU CITY MANAGER.  >> THAT'S WHAT THEIR  FRUSTRATION WE'RE NOT ASKING  FOREIGN AUTHORITIES TO BE NOT  HAVE GUARDRAILS WE STATED WHAT  I STATED THE NEED FOR THE BAR  AUTHORITIES. AT THE LAST  MEETING YOU CAN'T HAVE THE  BORROWING AUTHORITY WITHOUT  THAT MISTER ALSO IF THE  COMMISSION. IT IS THE WILL  BOARD WILL JOIN BOARD TO PUT  WHATEVER LIMITS YOU WANT IT  ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU  CAN I'M SATISFIED THAT NEED  THE PUBLIC YOU WILL HAVE THAT  CHANCE TO DO SO. BUT WHAT  WE'RE SEEING IS AS IT RELATES  THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. IT WILL  BE LESS CONFUSING AND MORE  DIRECT IF WE JUST TELL THEM  WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHICH IS TO  FOLLOW WITH THE STATE LAW  ALLOW WITH THESE PARTICULAR  NEEDS WHICH ARE PUBLIX THEY  CAN DO AS WELL THAT THEY CAN  DO THAT I THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING ROOM. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. THANK YOU KEEP THAT  REALLY BRIEF.  >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED.  >> AND SOME.  >> VOTERS IN THIS COMMUNITY  DON'T GIVE US THE AUTHORITY TO  BORROW.  >> WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON OUR  MILLAGE RATE. GOING OVER TIME  TO TO FUND THE STUFF.  >> KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE ARE  WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH A VERY  PAINFUL.  >> REZONING OF THE THAT WILL  GET US TO 16% COMMERCIAL.  >> ALL  >> OF THE EXPERTS ON MUNICIPAL  BUDGETING AND LAND USE AND  WHATEVER ADVISE THAT FOR  HEALTHY MUNICIPALITY.  >> TO BE ABLE TO.  >> BALANCE THEIR BUDGET  MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF CITY  SERVICES AND CONTROL THE  MILLAGE RATE. THEY NEED 20 TO  30% OF A LAND USE COMMERCIAL.  SO FOR ALL COMMERCIAL GETS  MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES AND  THEY CONSUME AND SERVICES AND  RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE JUST THE  OFFICE. SO YOU KNOW CASE, 16%  OF OUR LAND USE WILL BE  COMMERCIAL WHICH SAYS TO ME  THE BURDEN OF ALL OF THIS  STUFF. IT'S GOING TO FALL ON  LANDOWNERS LAND OWNERS AND  HOMEOWNERS, PRIMARILY BECAUSE  WE DON'T HAVE THE BUSINESSES  HERE. SO WITH THAT AS A  FOUNDATION PACE. IF WE CAN'T  BORROW AND SPREAD THAT OUT  OVER THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY  YEARS AND OTHERS HAVE  DESCRIBED THAT WAY MORE  ELOQUENT ELOQUENTLY THAT I  WOULD TRY RIGHT NOW WITHOUT  OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT. WHAT  CAN WE EXPECT IN TERMS OF  MILLAGE RATE INCREASE TO  MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF  SERVICE WHICH I THINK PRETTY  DARN GOOD. IT IS THAT HEAVY IS  THAT I MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKING  AT IT IS THAT. I UNDERSTAND  THAT IT IMPACTED BY LOTS OF  THAT IT. YES MA'AM THINK IT IS  POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN TOGETHER  I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND  ON ONE.  >> HOW FAST THE NEED IS FOR  THOSE THINGS THAT EVERY PERSON  TIMELINES TO THOSE AND SEE IF  WE YOU KNOW MADE THEM OUT, BUT  I THINK IT'S DOABLE THAT WE  CAN GET IT TO YOU NOT SURE WAS  GOING TO BE. SO BEING ABLE TO  LOOK AT BUT I WANT TO DO IT.  THANK YOU AND I WOULD  APPRECIATE THAT EVEN SORT OF  REST ROUGH ESTIMATE. YEAH, I  MEAN.  >> THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY  PIECES TO THE PUZZLE WE CAN  PLAY WITH. SO SOMETHING'S GOT  TO GIVE. SOMETHING'S GOT TO I  CERTAINLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE  SAFETY. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE  THE SECURITY OF OUR BRIDGES. I  DON'T WANT TO HAVE TORN UP  ROADS THAT WE BOVE OR EVERY  SINGLE DAY. THERE ARE  EXPECTATIONS THAT OUR  RESIDENTS HAVE IN TERMS OF  THAT THE LEVEL OF QUALITY  ABOUT TO WE PROVIDE AND IT  COSTS A LOT OF MONEY WITH ALL  AND HAT IN THE POCKETBOOK WITH  WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH  INFLATION OVER THE PAST COUPLE  YEARS. DESPITE ALL OF THAT OUR  MILITARY HAS STAYED THE SAME  COST OF STAFF. JUST AS MUCH OF  THE CITY. AND WE'VE HEARD OVER  AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE  SECTOR OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT  HEAD OF THE ECONOMY THAT HAS  BEEN IMPACTED THE MOST OVER  THE PAST FEW YEARS IS  BUILDING. CONSTRUCTION, WHICH  IS THE FOUNDATION OF CAPITAL  PROJECTS. SO YOU START TO SEE  YOU KNOW ALL THE. THE STARS  AND THE MOON AND THE SUN ARE  ALL LINING UP TO NOT A REALLY  GOOD FUTURE FOR THE CITY. IF  WE DON'T MAKE SOME WISE  DECISIONS. NOW. YOU HAVE TO DO  IT. ARE ALL 7 MINUTES. NOW IF  WE HAVE ANOTHER HURRICANE THIS  YEAR. SO WELL. SO WHAT ARE WE  GOING TO DO AS A COMMUNITY TO  ADDRESS THAT. THIS IS ONE OF  THE TOOLS. PROPERLY MANAGED  THAT CAN HELP US GOOD PIECE OF  THAT PUZZLE. THAT'S IT I'M  OFF. I SAID OKAY.  >> AND THANKS FOR BRINGING UP  THE. COLD HARD TRUTHS ABOUT  WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CAN ISSUE.  THAT IS MILITARY IS THE ONLY  WAY TO GO MEAN ONE YEAR WHEN  YOU'RE WORKING IN THERE AND  YOU NEED TO PAY FOR SOMETHING  YOU GET A SECOND JOB BUT THEN  ABOUT 3 JOBS. I THINK YOU  COULD HOW MANY HOW MANY  MILLAGE RATE INCREASES ARE  ONLY WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE  JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT BE  ABLE TO ISSUE DEBT AND WHAT I  WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT'S IN THE  BACKUP MATERIAL IS THAT. THIS  WOULD STILL REQUIRE A TO  PUBLICLY NOTICE MEETINGS,  WHENEVER WE ARE GOING TO.  ISSUE THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING  TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS JUST  DONE INTERNALLY AND NOBODY  KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON NOT  CORRECT THAT IS STILL GOING TO  BE IS IT TO PUBLICLY NOTICE  MEETING TO ALLOW CITY  COMMISSION EVALUATION AND  COMMUNITY INPUT SO EVERYBODY  WILL KNOW WHAT. THAT IS BEING  ISSUED AND FOR WHAT REASON.  >> THEY THAT BE A WAY I HEAR  YOU CORRECTLY, IT WOULD NOT BE  WITH STAFF TO GO OUT AND  BORROW THAT WITHOUT PERMISSION  OR APPROVAL OF THAT GOES  WITHOUT.  >> I LOOK THAT OUT AGAIN. AND  FOUND WHERE REMEMBER READING  IT BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE MY  HEARING COMMENTS ABOUT BARRING  FOR FRIVOLOUS REASONS WELL  OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD PUBLIC  INFORMATION. WHERE TO DO  SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AGAIN  DON'T THINK IT WOULD GO OVER  VERY WELL IF IT WAS FOR  FRIVOLOUS REASONS SO JUST  WANTED CLARIFY THAT. VICE  WELL.  >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TIME  TO TRY TO LAND THIS PLANE. YOU  IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. I  MEAN THAT REALLY EVERYBODY IS  GETTING A CHANCE. HERE ON THIS  STAGE IS TO TO TO VOICE THEIR  PERSPECTIVES CENT AND AND  EVERY PERSPECTIVE THAT EVERY  OPINION IS VALUED. YOU KNOW,  WE'VE GOT SORT LIKE 3 PIECES I  MEAN. WE'RE LOOKING FOR  LANGUAGE. THAT'LL MAKE UP  THIS. REFERENDUM, THIS CHARTER  AMENDMENT. AND WE DEFINITIONS  WE'VE USED DECLARED EMERGENCY  SAFETY PUBLIC HEALTH. WE'VE  STILL YET TO GET INPUT FROM  BOND COUNCIL AND PFM THEY'RE  WORKING ON THINGS SO THAT'S  ONE PIECE OF THIS. THE SECOND  PIECE OF THIS THE ACTUAL DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY TAKING. YOU  PERHAPS CHARLOTTE COUNTY'S  THOSE SORT OF 2 WE GOT SAMPLES  HAVING OUR STAFF AND  COORDINATION OR LEGAL STAFF  FINANCIAL STAFF AND CONDITIONS  AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH PF AM  HOPE TO PIECE THIS TOGETHER  INTO A DRAFT. BUT THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY TO ME THOSE  ARE 2 PIECES THAT SHOULD BE  COMING BACK TO US VERY SHORT  ORDER SO WE CAN ADDRESS SOME  OF SPECIFICS. THAT EVERYBODY'S  RACED CONVERSATION ABOUT IT'S  ABOUT ONE PIECE DANGLING OUT  THERE SHOULD THERE BE AN  AMOUNT DEBT LIMIT OUT. I DON'T  KNOW MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE  MAYBE THERE SHOULDN'T I  PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED  BECAUSE I THINK. I DON'T THINK  IT SERVES THE PURPOSE THAT  SOME PEOPLE THINK WOULD BE  INTENDED BUT HEY THAT'S JUST  MY OPINION SO THAT'S QUESTION  AND THE DECISION WE HAVE TO  GET MAKE. ONCE WE SEE THE  DRAFT HARDER AFTER LANGUAGE  WITH SOME DEFINITION AND INPUT  FROM PFM AND OUR BOND COUNCIL  AND THE DEATH POLICIES, YOU  KNOW WHAT THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICIES. SOME OF THIS CONCERN  ABOUT THE REFERENDUM LANGUAGE  MAY BE BETTER ADDRESSED AND WE  MAY CREATE SOME COMFORT THERE  SO TO ME THOSE ARE THE 2  THINGS WERE LOOKING FOR.  WHETHER WE NEED TO MAKE  MOTIONS OR WEATHER. YOU KNOW A  CONSENSUS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT  TO ME THAT'S THE NEXT STEP.  AND IN THE MEANTIME, I'M SURE  WE'LL HEAR PLENTY FROM THE  PUBLIC. INDIVIDUALLY TO US TO  STAFF AND LITTLE BY LITTLE WE  WILL CALL THIS THE NEXT TIME  WE COME BACK TO ADDRESS THESE  2 PIECES. WE WANT TO HAVE A  BIT. ABILITY TO DEFINE IT EVEN  MORE SO THIS IS A PROCESS  WE'RE GOING THROUGH SO YOU  KNOW WE'VE VOICED  ♪ OUR OPINIONS OVER AND OVER AND  AND. SOME CASES IN MY CASE  ♪ PLEA BUT. THESE ARE THE NEXT 2  THINGS I THINK CITY SPEC THING  STAFF LOOKING FOR OKAY.  >> SO WE HAVE TO DO PUBLIC  COMMENT BUT ARE YOU READY WITH  YOU READY FOR A MOTION WE COME  BACK TRY HIM. PUT SOME THINGS  TOGETHER AND I DON'T  NECESSARILY THINK THEY ARE ONE  MOTION. WOULD LIKE TO WHATEVER  IS YOUR DESIRE BUT I'M I'M  LOOKING I'M THINKING AT LEAST  2 MOTIONS HERE DO WE HAVE  PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> WE DO JOSH MEANT. GOOD  AFTERNOON.  >> THE GOOD THINGS FIRST IT  WAS REALLY GOOD YOU GUYS THAN  SARASOTA COUNTY'S I DID A  LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THAT  THEY'RE RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT  OVER WITH OUR US. ALL IT WAS  REALLY NICE TO SEE THAT IT  COMES TO COMMISSION AND THAT  IT ISN'T A STAFF ABILITY TO  BORROW. THERE ARE A LOT OF  GOOD THINGS IN THE DOCUMENT  THEY ARE READING A LOT OF GOOD  THINGS MOVING FORWARD. ALMOST  UP THERE SEVERAL TIMES AND ALL  THE LOVE FOR YOU GOT TO HELP  ME. MISTER STEP SHOULD A LOT  OF I REALLY APPRECIATE THE  KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU BROUGHT,  BUT THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUST  AND A HARD TIME FLYING WITH  ALL. I'M SO AS LONG AS THERE'S  A LOT OF CONTROLS IN PLACE AND  STUFF LIKE THAT, I'M THE ONLY  ONE I KNOW 4. ON PROBABLY NOT  VOTING FOR YOU IF GOT AND I TO  STAND ON THAT AND I DON'T WANT  TO DIE ON TO MEETING WITH CITY  MANAGER WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND  I KIND OF AGREED YOU KNOW SOME  OF THE POLICIES AND PLANS.  BUT I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW  YOU'VE GOT TO HOLD LINE WITH  THE PUBLIC. THE BALL, YOU  KNOW, IT'S I REALLY HOPE THAT  YOU. TAKE MORE TIME TO EXPLAIN  I REALLY HOPE YOU TAKE MORE  TIME UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A  TRUST ISSUE. AND THAT'S REALLY  ALL I HAVE AND HOPEFULLY WE  CAN MOVE FORWARD LEARN A LOT  MORE ABOUT THANK YOU.  PROVIDENCE AND DISSENT THING.  >> HELPING CRICKET THANK  >> I AGREE WITH A LOT THAT YOU  HAVE SAID COMMISSION OF  STOKES. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT  DETAILED EXPLANATION.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, I AGREE  WITH YOU TOO. AND WE'RE NOT  JUST A VOCAL MINORITY 62% OF  THOSE WERE JUST HERE IN YOUR  FACE THE TIME BECAUSE WE CAN'T  BE. AND I THINK WHAT WOULD  HELP POVERTY. DEFINITION  BREAKDOWNS WERE NOT  UNDERSTANDING. IT'S A GENERAL  CONSENT I GET FROM THE  COMMUNITY. WE DON'T FULLY  UNDERSTAND WHAT GETTING A WAY  TO YOU WE'VE GIVEN YOU WE  DON'T UNDERSTAND THE  DEFINITIONS. I MEAN IF I CAME  TO YOU AND SAID HERE.  REFERENDUM SITE VOTE WITHOUT  MAYBE IT'S ONLY ONE AND A HALF  THEY CHOOSE. YOU WANT TO SIGN  IT IT WANT TO READ IT AND  UNDERSTAND IT AND THAT'S THE  PROBLEM HERE. WE DON'T  UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR  AND IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT AND  IT'S NOT TO FIND AND IT'S NOT  DELINEATED ENOUGH FOR US TO BE  JUST GIVE YOU A WHILE AND WHEN  I LOOK AT. DECLARE AN  EMERGENCY FUND I DON'T THINK  THERE NEEDS TO BE A CAP AND  HONEYCUTT DECLARED EMERGENCY  IT IS WHAT IT IS WE NEED IT.  WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY AND  PUBLIC HEALTH PROJECTS WHAT'S  THE DEFINITION OF THAT. THAT'S  A PROBLEM TO ME. AND THERE I  WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED SOME  MAYBE CAPS. BECAUSE IT COULD  BE ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S VERY  CLEARLY DEFINED WHAT WE CAN  SAY OKAY, IT'S LIMITED TO JUST  THIS. OKAY. BUT UNTIL WE GET  TO THAT POINT THERE'S NO  CONFIDENCE AT THIS PARTICULAR  MOMENT, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THE  LANGUAGE WE GOT TO HAVE AN  UNDERSTANDING IN ORDER TO  PROPERLY VOTE. I'M I JUST NEED  MORE CLOUDY AND WHAT ITS  MISSION DELINEATION AND I'M ON  THE LANGUAGE. THANK YOU. DAVID  DUVAL.  >> MY NAME IS DAVID BELL.  >> AND I WAS SO SO COURT. ONE  OF THE SPIRIT. WHICH WILL THAT  WAS MADE. WHEN THE FIRST STAFF  MEMBER CAME UP AND SO RESULTED  FROM HURRICANE IAN.  >> CAN THAT WOULD LOSE  REFERENDUM. 2 YEARS AGO. AND  MEMBER FOR OF THAT RIGHT RISE  OR READ YOUR DOOR. AFTER  REFERENDUM FOR  >> SUGGESTIONS CAME UP THE  QUESTIONS WHY HE DID THAT  REFERENDUM FAIL. SO KNEW THAT  THERE AN BEING MADE A  SOMEWHERE TO GET THIS DOT. AND  NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER  REFERENDUM. HURRICANE IAN. ALL  THINGS THAT HAPPENS THEY WERE  BEFORE HURRICANE IAN. OKAY AND  I'M LISTENING TO WORDS TO SAY.  FOR THE MANAGER SAY THINGS  THAT WE WANT. AND THE CITY  MANAGER IS WORKING WITH SOME  GROUP OF THE CITY.  COMMISSIONERS NEVER THAT'S A  SPECIAL INTEREST THAT'S  WORKING IN PEOPLE MINORITY.  BUSH THIS. THE 62% ARE THE  MAJORITY. I'VE GOT AGREE WITH  MISTER SMITH. SEVERAL ONE  THING I DO BELIEVE THAT MANY  PEOPLE. WELL. LOT OF YOU I'M  CONSIDERING I'M NOT  CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR. THE  CITY COMMISSION. TO DO THAT  THINK THAT'S LET'S LEAVE THE  CHURCH. AND BELIEVE ME IT. BUT  PEOPLE HAVE ISSUE WITH THIS.  SO THE COMMISSION. ALREADY  THERE ELECTED BY THE CITIZENS  TO REPRESENT AND KNOW THAT MAN  DID ALL WILL POLICY. SO STAFF  TO DECIDE. SO THAT THINGS WHAT  IS PUBLIC SAFETY. MAYBE PUT  THE FENCE UP ON THE SIDE OF  BALL ROLLING BY A BRIDGE. WHAT  PUT A STOP SO KIDS DON'T GET  SOMEBODY MAY DECIDE ALL PUBLIC  IS. WELL CROSS GUARDS, A  $100,000 A YEAR FOR WELL US.  SOME POINT YOU DO HAVE AN  ISSUE OF TRUST HERE ME YOU DO.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU MISTER  >> CITY MANAGER. REMEMBER WHAT  STATION ON THAT COMMENT. THE  ASSISTANT JUST A WINNER MADE  THE COMMENT WE STARTED THIS AT  THE HURRICANE NEED. IT WAS  AFTER HURRICANE IAN THAT WE  BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT  ARE RESERVED ONLY BUT SO  LIMITED BASED ON WHAT WE DO WE  ACT STORE FROM THE STORE.  THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID BRING US  BACK REP ABOUT LANGUAGE TOO  MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROTECT  FUTURE. SO WHILE OTHER ITEM  FAILED BY 62% IT HAD NOTHING  TO DO WITH YOUR DESIRE PROTECT  US FOR THE FUTURE.  >> WE HAVE THE MORE PUBLIC  COMMENT. OKAY ALL RIGHT. OKAY  SO I THINK WE'RE. YEAH I THINK  FOR A MOTIONS MOTIONS FIRST  MOST CERTAINLY TRIES MAKE A  MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO  REFUND SOME REFINED LANGUAGE  FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT.  ADDITIONAL DEFINITION. INPUT  FROM PF AM AND OUR ON COUNCIL.  AND I GUESS THAT'S THE MOTION.  NOT AS PART OF THE MOTION IS.  TO JUST. WE'RE CLEARLY  DEFINED. CLEARED EMERGENCY  SAFETY PUBLIC HEALTH. PERHAPS  WE CAN. TIGHTEN UP THAT  LANGUAGE SOME MORE. TO CREATE  SOME COMFORT ON THE TYPES.  USES.  >> I'LL SECOND THAT SORRY I  THOUGHT YOU SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION BUT I CITY ATTORNEY  SLIDE ON. YES, IT AND THERE'S  THERE'S NO LEGAL ISSUE WITH  THAT THE MOTION BEFORE YOU,  BUT I DID JUST WANT TO POINT  OUT YOU ALL AND ALSO FOR THE  PUBLIC KIND OF WHAT TO EXPECT.  I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BEFORE  YOU NEXT WOULD BE FIRST  READING OF ORDINANCE. AND THE  ORDINANCE HAS THE BALLOT  LANGUAGE WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT  WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WILL ALSO  HAVE THE ACTUAL DRAFT LANGUAGE  FOR THE CHANGE THE CITY  CHARTER. YOU KNOW FOR THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE WE'RE LIMITED  TO ONLY 75 WORDS WHICH MY SON  LIKE A LOT UNTIL YOU START  TRYING TO WRITE ALL OF THIS  AND SO.  >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE  THAT EVERYONE LISTENING HERE  ON THE BOARD AND OUT IN THE  PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN  THEY JUST SEE THAT PARAGRAPH  YOU WRITE LIKE THAT BECAUSE  STATE STATUTE SAYS WE CAN'T  USE ANY MORE WORDS THAN THAT  THE ORDINANCE ITSELF WILL HAVE  A DETAILED CHARTER LANGUAGE  YOU DON'T GET ON THE BALLOT  AND THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT'S  SET UP THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO.  BUT OUR CITY UNTIL STATE  STATUTE DESIGNS YOU KNOW  ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SEE A  LITTLE MORE CAN LOOK AT THE  ACTUAL ORDINANCE AND SEE WHAT  THE CHARLIE WHICH WILL BEAT  THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS A  SUMMARY OF OKAY, THANK YOU  SHOULD TURN BECAUSE THAT'S  THAT'S MY POINT THAT YOU KNOW.  >> ARTICULATE THAT DISTINCTION  BUT THE ORDINANCE.  >> LANG WHICH IS CRITICAL  BECAUSE IT WILL HELP CREATE  SOME OF THAT COMFORT LEVEL  CITIZENS ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR  AND WHAT I'M HEARING SOME OF  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ASKING  FOR SO THAT WOULD BE. MOTION.  >> WELL AGAIN I SECOND FOR  THIS DISCUSSION AND CITY  ATTORNEY TOTALLY STOLE MY  THUNDER HAS. I I THINK YOUR  MOTION WAS SPECIFIC TO THE  REFERENDUM LANGUAGE. I DON'T  KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WE CAN JAM  INTO THAT IN TERMS OF  DEFINITION. SO I DIDN'T DO  THAT. YOU WANT ME TO SAY OF  SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT TO THE  MOTION. IS THAT STAFF BRING  BACK WELL AND WE WELL FIRST  READING OF THE ORDINANCE WHICH  WITH A MUCH MORE COMPLETE  DEFINITION. WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY  IS AND AND WHAT EMERGENCY IS  SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC  HANDS, NOT PART OF MOTION. SO  THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS A  MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF  WHAT WE'RE REALLY ALL ABOUT.  BUT YOUR AMENDMENT. MY  AMENDMENT IS JUST THAT WE WE  CHANGE THE LANGUAGE FROM THE  REFERENDUM LANGUAGE.  >> TO THE.  >> ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. THAT  ONE STAFF BRINGS FORWARD FIRST  READING THAT THERE'S A MUCH  MORE COMPLETE DEFINITION WHAT.  PUBLIC SAFETY AND WATT.  >> CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE  EMERGENCY WHAT THOSE MIGHT  LOOK LIKE.  >> I THINK THAT IT'S BEST TO  DO AN AMENDMENT OR JUST TAKE  BACK YOUR.  >> START ALL OVER AGAIN.  ARNOLD DONALD YEAH, WITHDRAW  MY SECOND IS WHAT I'M HEARING  IS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THAT  THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE IS IN THE  ORDINANCE THEY HAVE SELECTED  ON MAY TRY AGAIN AND THAT'S  WHERE YOU'RE GETTING THAT MAKE  A MOTION DIRECTLY WHAT THAT.  IT WAS ASKED THE QUESTION.  YEAH CITY CLERK, WE HAD A  MOTION AND A SECOND. ON THE  FLOOR. AND  >> IT'S FOR AN AMENDMENT BUT  WE LET'S VOTE ON THAT VOTE  WHATEVER.  >> OK SO WE DIDN'T DO A VOICE  BUT  >> ICE MAY READ THE MOTION  GUESSED THAT. TO DIRECT CITY  MANAGER TO BRING BACK REFINED  LANGUAGE FOR THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT WITH ADDITIONAL  DEFINITION AND THE INPUT FROM  P F M AND BOND COUNCIL.  >> THEY BY SMEAR STOKES AND  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON SO DO EMPLOYEES VOTE  ON THAT. BUT KNOW MY DAY.  >> VICE MAYOR A MAYOR WHITE IS  A NO LANDON'S AND NOW DON'T  KNOW. COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> AND LET YOU KNOW.  >> OKAY, SO THAT FAILS. VERIFY  SO.  >> WE'RE GOING TO TRY AGAIN  WE'RE GOING TO TRY A LITTLE  DIFFERENT OKAY. THAT MAKE A  MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF. BRING  ORDINANCE. WHICH WILL ITS LINE  WHICH WILL BRING BRING THE  ORDINANCE AS WELL AS THE  CHARTER AMENDMENT. ACTUAL  REVIEW.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES STAFF TO BRING BACK THE  ORDINANCE AND THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT. BACK TO THE  COMMISSION FOR REVIEW. CAPTURE  THAT OKAY, BUT I'M SURE THE  HAS IT. WORD FOR WORD THAT WAS  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES. I  HAVE I WOULD SECOND THE  DISCUSSION OF OK SECOND BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  COMMISSIONER WANT TO SPEAK TO  THAT.  >> YES I THINK THAT THE MAJOR  ISSUE TO BE ADDRESSED IS A  MORE COMPLETE DEFINITION.  >> OF WHAT. EMERGENCY MIGHT  LOOK LIKE AND WHAT A PUBLIC  SAFETY PROJECT MIGHT LOOK LIKE  SO. AND PUT THAT I HEARD AND  AND MY OWN FEELING IS. THAT IN  THE CHARTER AND THE ORDINANCE  WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A WHAT  MUCH MORE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE  ABOUT.  >> THOSE 2 AREAS THAT NEEDS TO  BE SAID IN THE MOTION OR DO  YOU FEEL IT'S IMPLIED. THANKS  STEPH MIGHT.  >> WELL THEY'RE GOING TO BRING  IT BACK TO WAS ANY WAY THEY  COULD BRING BACK THE SAME THAT  IT'S THAT THAT THEY WOULD BUT.  >> TURNED TO DO WANT TO SPEAK  TO THAT.  >> YES I WOULD JUST ASK THE  BOARD YOU KNOW THE DEPUTY CITY  ATTORNEY OR A DRAFT IN THIS  ORDINANCE FOR YOU AND WE  ACTUALLY. ARE ALREADY HAVING  DIRECTED FOR YOU BASED ON YOUR  PREVIOUS DIRECTION TO BRING  ORDINANCE BACK SO WE'LL BE  COMING BACK TO YOU VERY SOON.  WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW IS  WHETHER YOU WANT TO KEEP HAVE  OR AND WHEN IT COMES TO WHEN  IT COMES TO THE LANGUAGE THE  BALLOT LANGUAGE IN THE  ORDINANCE BUT WE SEE IT FIRST  READING IN THE CHARTER WHICH  IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE AS  WELL PART OF THAT SCENE  DOCUMENT AND. KEEP IN MIND  THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CHARTER  LANGUAGE. YOU WANTED TO BE  CLEAR NOT TOO BIG BUT ALSO NOT  TOO RESTRICTIVE BECAUSE IT IS  SO DIFFICULT TO AMEND THE  CHARTER AND QUITE OFTEN. THERE  ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES  WHEN YOU GET TOO SPECIFIC AND  YOU DON'T REALIZE IT UNTIL  YOU'RE KIND OF IN THE JAM. SO  JUST KNOW THAT WE CAN ALSO WE  UNITE ALL. CAN ALSO REFINED  THAT AND INTERPRET THAT MORE  AND THE POLICY THAT WILL COME  BEFORE YOU SO THAT IS A CAT.  >> AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE  PART OF THE SECOND MOST BUT  FOR SHOULD WANT TO OKAY, SO  CITY CLERK AND YOU'RE IN THE  BACK.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGED  TO BRING BACK ORDINANCE AND  CHARTER AMENDMENT LANGUAGE FOR  REVIEW.  >> THANK AND SO THAT WAS MADE  BY VICE MAYOR SOAKS SECONDED  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON OF MY  SECOND OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE  GOING TO VOTE AND QUESTION.  OKAY.  >> YOU HAVE READING THAT AND  THAT MOTION I THOUGHT I HEARD  FIRST READING STARTED  SPEAKING. SO THEY BRING HIM  BACK DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR FIRST  HIS HIS MOTION WHICH DID NOT  INCLUDE FIRST READING IT. IT  WAS TO BRING BACK ORDINANCE OR  SNOW FIRST READING ARE GOING  TO BE A DRAFT. THAT'S A FACT  ORDINANCE AND CHARTER  AMENDMENT LANGUAGE. WE'RE  BRINGING THIS FOR FIRST  READING SE TOLLS OTHER WORDS  RIGHT. SHOULD SAY FOR  CERTAINTY. I THOUGHT I HEARD  HIM SAY THE BEGINNING. DID YOU  SAY YOU MAY NOT HAVE YOU KNOW  I BUT.  >> I DON'T SEE WHY IT MATTERS  LET THE FIRST READING.  >> WE AMEND THAT DO WE HAVE  LET ME SUGGEST AN AMENDMENT  THAT WE ADD FIRST REALLY AND  SO WE SHOULD VOTE ON THAT ALL  RIGHT SO COMMISSIONER LANGDON  IS MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE  MOTION ON THE FLOOR THAT IT BE  BROUGHT BACK OUR FIRST READING  ORDINANCE AND THAT WAS  SECONDED BY. VICE MAYOR SOAPS  WE HAVE THAT OK SO VOICE VOTE.  >> VICE MAYOR VICE MAYOR IS  YES MAYOR ZS LINE AND SAY YES  DOLLARS YES. COMMISSIONER  AVERAGE DID YOU HEAR THAT.  >> YES AND AS WELL. YES, AND  THAT WE HAVE MEANT 5, 0, SO  NOW WE WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION  AS AMENDED.  >> VICE MAYOR ZS.  >> THERE'S SIGNED AND SAY YES.  THE DOW'S YES.  >> COMMISSIONER EMRICH. I MEAN  YES OKAY, SO. MOTION PASSES 5,  0, SO WE HAVE ONE MORE MR.  MOTION DIRECT STAFF. BRING  BACK AN OPINION. FROM PF AND  AND OUR ON COUNCIL. WITH  REGARD TO A RECOMMENDATION. OF  FOOTBALL, BUT BORROWING CAP.  TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT. SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR FOR  OUR PAY AND BE BROUGHT BACK BY  PF  >> SO REGARDING THE BORROWING  CAP AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSION OUT. I WANT TO  SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, I'M JUST.  >> SO YOU'RE WANTING TO KNOW  WHAT PFM THINKS ABOUT  BORROWING CAP IS THAT WHAT THE  INTENT TO SEND ON COUCH  BECAUSE THEY MAY MAKE  RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YES THEY  THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. NO  THANKS JOEL BECAUSE CREATES  CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS AND IN  FLEXIBILITY FOR 3 THEY MAY  FEEL IT'S MORE APPROPRIATELY  CATEGORIZED PLACEMENT.  >> IN PART THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY. THERE ARE 2 REALLY  GOOD INDEPENDENCE ARE  REPORTING EXPERTS I LOVE TO  GET THEIR INPUT. I DON'T THINK  ANY OF REALLY FACT QUALIFY TO  2 TO DO IT AND I'M NOT SAYING  WE YOU KNOW WE COULD DECIDE.  IF WE WANT A CAP OR NOT THAT  IS OUR DECISION BUT THE REAL  SECURITY INPUTS FROM 2  THIRD-PARTY INDEPENDENT.  EXPERTS WE HAVE NO REAL STAKE  IN THE GAME AND WHO CAN GIVE  US SOME INPUT THEY DO THIS A  LOT. THEY GET A GOOD FEEL FOR  THIS AND THEY MAY HAVE SOME  PERSPECTIVES ON THIS DECISION  THAT WE HAVE FLORIDA. THAT'S  THE REASON I I JUST WANTED  CLARITY IT THEY ALREADY DID.  >> YEAH I OKAY YOU WANT TO YES  EXACTLY I GUESS THE QUESTION  FOR FINANCE. IT WAS MY  UNDERSTANDING THAT BOTH OF  THOSE RESOURCES WERE WE WERE  SORT OF ATTACHED TO THE HIP  THAT THEY WOULD HAVE. AND HAVE  HAD A LOT OF INPUT IN TERMS OF  DEBT POLICY IN LANGUAGE AND  ALL OF THAT SO I WAS OPERATING  UNDER THE BELIEF THAT THAT WAS  ALREADY HAVE.  >> THAT'S RIGHT COMMISSIONER  DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL  OVER VIEW ABOUT HIS  DISCUSSIONS WITH BOND COUNCIL.  >> SO I I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT  BOND COUNCIL WE HAVE BEEN  DISCUSSING BOTH THE POP ON THE  ALL RIGHT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE  AS WELL AS THE CHARTER ITSELF.  I DON'T SPEAK FOR BOND  COUNCIL, BUT AS ANOTHER  ATTORNEY I DON'T KNOW THAT  HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU YOU  SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO THAT  PARTICULAR ASSUME HE HAD HIM  GOING TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR  AND YES YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU  WANT TO AND THIS IS HOW WE  RECOMMEND YOU DO DO IT IF YOU  WOULD LIKE TO DO IT I DON'T  KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET  A. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA AGE TOY  DO IT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN  DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOW I DON'T  KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET  SOMETHING NO DOUBT WANT TO BE.  >> RIGHT COUNCIL'S NOT GOING  TO WEIGH IN ON YOUR POLICY  DECISION HE HAS AS DEPUTY CITY  ATTORNEY GO AND SEE IT. WE MET  SEVERAL WITH HIM AND HE'S YOU  KNOW LOOKED OVER THAT THE  ISSUES THAT CONCERNS YOU KNOW  HAS CONFIRMED THAT HE'S NOT  AWARE OF ANY OTHER ENTITY IN  THE STATE THAT HAS OUR TYPE  CHARGER LANGUAGE. THERE ARE A  LOT THAT HAVE NO CAP THERE ARE  A FEW THAT HAVE SOME CAP, HE'S  LOOK AT THE DRAFT THAT WE  PREVIOUSLY PREPARED BASED ON  YOUR DIRECTIONS THAT IS KINDA  SARASOTA COUNTIES. BUT YOU  KNOW REALLY REALLY MORE THAN  LOOKING AT THE DRAFT AND  SAYING YOU KNOW, YES, THIS  LOOKS GOOD. I HAVE NO LEGAL  CONCERNS HE'S NOT GOING TO  GIVE YOU DIRECTION.  >> AS TO WHICH WAY TO SO OKAY  IF THIS ON COUNCIL YOU WOULD  CERTAINLY THINK WOULD BE ABLE  TO GIVE US SOME INPUT AS TO  WHETHER OR NOT THEY SEE.  INCLUDING A CAP. WOULD BE.  GOOD THING BAD THING REASONS  FOR OR AGAINST THAT'S WHAT  THEY'RE FOR. I MEAN HOW THE  **** ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DECIDE  WHETHER WE SHOULD PUT A CAP  AND OR NOT THERE REASONS WHY  THAT MAKES SENSE OR REASONS  WHY IT DOESN'T. I MEAN I CAN  SERVE ISIS FINANCIAL I IT WILL  CREATE MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY  NOT THE HABITAT, ESPECIALLY  BECAUSE I CAN FIND A WAY TO  BEAT IT EVERY TIME BUT THAT  DOESN'T MEAN THE HAS THE  ANSWER. JUST FOR A 3RD PARTY  EXPERTS THAT'S WHAT LAST THERE  HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH TRUST AS  IT IS.  >> AND I THINK IN LET JUST  TELL HIM THAT I THINK DC ON  HIS MISSING AS WELL. AND THAT  IS FOR SURE THE GREATEST  LUCKILY FOR THE CITY IS TO NOT  HAVE A AS WE'VE ALL HEARD HERE  TODAY WE'VE SEEN HOW DIFFICULT  THAT IS AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE  HIGHLIGHTING HURRICANE IAN  BECAUSE IT WAS SO INCREDIBLY  DESTRUCTIVE REALLY ALMOST 8  HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST HART  OUR CITY'S OPERATIONS. YOU  KNOW FOR THE 8 YEARS I'VE BEEN  HERE THIS IS BEEN A RECURRING  CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE WORKED  TO OVERCOME SO FOR SURE. NO  THE BOND COUNCIL. IT'S YES THE  GREATEST FLEXIBILITY FOR THE  CITY IS THE CAP. BUT ONE THING  THAT BEEN COUNCIL ALSO  CONSIDERS WHEN WE TALK AND  KIND OF BRINGS FROM THE  DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS WHAT IS  WHAT'S MORE LIKELY TO PASS  BECAUSE YOU KNOW HAVING  SOMETHING THAT GIVES US MORE  FLEXIBILITY IS BETTER THAN  WHAT WE HAVE NOW SO THAT IS  ALSO POLICY CONSIDERATION. THE  ATTORNEYS, YOU KNOW WE CAN WE  CAN KIND OF HELP YOU  BRAINSTORM GIVE LEGAL BUT WE  CANNOT GIVE YOU THE POLICY  RECOMMENDATION  >> OUR OFFICE DID LOOK OTHER  JURISDICTIONS THROUGHOUT THE  STATE WHEN WE WERE RESEARCHING  DOES ORTIZ TOGETHER IMPROVE  THAT BUT FOR MANY YEARS TO GET  TO MEND THE CHARTER. THERE'S  THEY'RE THE ONES THE CITY'S  THE JURISDICTIONS THE COUNTY  THE CITIES THAT DO HAVE. IN  THEIR CHARTER REGULATIONS  ABOUT THIS. IT VARIES VERY  VARYING WIDELY FROM THE BOX  PUT THEMSELVES IN REGULATIONS  THAT THEY PREFER THEMSELVES.  THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE TO  CALL THAT HER HAD A VERY  STRONG POLICY THAT IS  RECOMMENDING SO. THERE'S NO  ONE WAY TO DO UNFORTUNATELY  NOT. COME TO A POLICY DECISION  HOW YOU'D LIKE TO.  >> I CAN TELL YOU WOULD  STRONGLY MAKE IS NOT TO DO IT  THE WAY WE CURRENTLY SAID YES  AND JUST WANT TO ADD WE'VE  WORKED WITH PFM ALREADY.  >> IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT  WITH OTHERS OR DO WE MAKE  COMPARABLE CITIES. IT LOOKED  LIKE AT ENTITIES THEY'VE  HELPED US. SO WHEN I LOOK AT  THEIR POLICIES AS WELL AS  THEIR CHARTER AND OUT OF DON'T  17 YEARS ONLY THAT REALLY HAVE  SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER. MOST  OF JUST HAPPENED IN THE  POLICY.  >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD  LIKE HERE. 3RD PARTY COME  BEFORE US AND THE PUBLIC. AND  YOU SAY. THEY'RE SAYING IT.  I'M SAM ARE SAYING. I THINK  THERE'S VALUE IN HAPPENED. OUR  FINANCIAL EXPERTS STAND UP  HERE AND SAY SO THE PUBLIC CAN  HEAR IT AND THEY CAN  UNDERSTAND I PERSONALLY DON'T  ADVOCATE OF BELMONT BUT YOU  KNOW THAT'S MY OPINION AND I  THINK VALUABLE ULTIMATE GOAL  HERE IS TO GET SOMETHING  PASSED. IS TO GET THE CITIZENS  SUPPORT COMFORTABLE WITH IT  AND BELIEVE IT. AS  COMMISSIONER MC THAT WAS SET  UP THAT HELPS TO IT I DON'T  SEE WHY NOT OTHERWISE WE'RE  JUST SAYING WHAT WE THINK THEY  SAID OR WHAT THEY TOLD. SOME  OF OUR STAFF AND THERE'S WHERE  I SEE SOME VALUE IN HAVING  HAVING PF BEFORE HERE AND  STANDING FROM THIS COMMISSION  THAT TELL US THAT AND AND AND  SAY YOU KNOW WE'VE LOOKED THAT  2025 TO FOR MUNICIPALITIES  ONLY 7 OF THEM IT AND HERE'S  WHY IT'S BETTER PLACED IN YOUR  DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY WHERE  YOU CAN BETTER MANAGE REFINED.  AND IT IS FLEXIBLE BECAUSE  CHARTER AMENDMENT SORT TO DO.  AND IF IT'S IN YOUR MANAGEMENT  POLICY OF THE ABILITY OVER  TIME AS NEEDS AND SITUATIONS  CHANGE. SHIFT AND ADJUST. I  MEAN THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO  HEAR, BUT I DO KNOW WHAT IT  WANTS FROM ME AND WANT TO HEAR  FROM A PROFESSIONAL A  THIRD-PARTY INDEPENDENT EXPERT  THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING THAT'S  WHY MAKE THE MOTION. YOU KNOW.  >> THE VICE MAYOR MOTION SAYS  TO BRING BACK AN OPINION IT  SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD  REALLY LIKE IS PERHAPS A FIRST  READING TO HAVE THESE  PROFESSIONALS AVAILABLE TO  SPEAK DIRECTLY TO US IS THAT  YOUR DESIRE IF THE MOTION  SUCCESSFUL.  >> OK BECAUSE THEN IF DECIDE  WE WANT TO ADD UP THAT LIMIT  WE CAN ADD IT FOR SECOND  READING I WOULD BE OKAY WITH  THAT. MANAGER. YOUR LIGHT WAS  ON. SHE IT IS YOUR EMOTIONS IT  WAS JUST ASKING FOR AN  OPINION. AND I THOUGHT WE  GOTTEN THAT AND OKAY SO THAT'S  OUR.  >> TO SECURE AN OPINION FROM  THEM AND THE AND THE VAN  COUNCIL.  >> BORROWING CAP AND THAT WAS  MADE BY VICE MAYOR SOPHIE  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL DO WE HAVE ANYTHING  ELSE COMMISSIONER WANT TO FIX  THAT. DID MIGHT WE WANT TO ADD  A FIRST READING TO HAVE TIME  FRAME OUT TO HAVE IT AT THAT.  AND THAT BRING BACK IM PUT.  FIRST READING. THIS WAY IT'S  NOT OPINION. I DO WANT CHANGE  WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE  AMENDMENTS WELL WE'RE REALLY  BUDDIES AGREEABLE TO CHANGING  ONE WORD. WE'VE ALREADY CANYON  TO WHERE WE HAVE A MOTION ON  CAN WE CHANGE ONE WORD. THANK  YOU RIGHT TO THE POINT OKAY,  SO.  >> SO THE AMENDMENT WOULD BE  TO CHANGE THE WORD OPINION TO  INPUT. AND TO ADD. AT FIRST  READING.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE AN  AMENDMENT ON THE TABLE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON AND  SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR TO ADD.  THE WORD INPUT AS A PUP THAT  AS OPPOSED TO OPINION AT THE  FIRST READING. THAT'S  REGARDING PFM AND COUNCILS  RECOMMENDATIONS YEAH, OK. ALL  RIGHT SO THAT WAS MADE BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON AND  SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR. TO  AVOID VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT.  >> EISNER YES.  >> MAYER IS A YES LANGDON SAY  YES 1000 SURE. COMMISSIONER  ELRICH.  >> I MEAN YES OKAY SO THAT  AMENDMENT PASSES 5, 0, AND NOW  WILL VOTE ON THE ACTUAL.  >> MOTION IS PARIS YES.  >> I'M SORRY, YES, SO  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE THIS  IS ON THE MOTION AS AMENDED.  OKAY SO THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 YOU  HAVE ONE MORE AND MORE  ♪ STAFF TO  ♪ BRING BACK A THAT MANAGE  POLICY.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES FOR  STAFF TO BRING BACK THE DRAFT  OF THE DEBT. MANAGEMENT.  POLICY. WE HAVE TIME AND THAT.  >> OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THE FIRST  THING TRYING AVOID ANOTHER  AMENDMENT. SO WHAT WE WANT  WHEN THEY WANT THAT. PRIOR TO  MEETING PRIOR TO PRIOR TO  FIRST READING. THAT MAKES  SENSE AND IT'S WE COULD TO  PROVE CAN BE DONE WITH THAT  FROM AND WE SAID WE BELIEVE  THAT BOARD IF COULD. CHANGING  WAY. WHAT IS CERTAIN.  >> SO BASICALLY WHAT STAFF'S  ASKING IS THAT WE ARE GOING  TO. FOR FIRST READING.  >> GIVEN ON CHARTER AMENDMENT  LANGUAGE. IN ORDINANCE BEFORE  WE SEE THAT MANAGEMENT  THROUGH.  >> THAT MEANT THE POLICY IS  WILL DETERMINE HOW YOU DO WHAT  WE'RE ASKING YOU TO DO. THE  FIRST THING IS WHAT WHAT IS  WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS TO HAVE  THE BAR, I DON'T KNOW THAT I  NOW.  >> I DON'T KNOW HAVE CITIZENS  FEEL BUT I'M GONNA HAVE A REAL  TOUGH TIME HOLDING ONTO WHAT  WHAT'S OUT NOW IN THIS  PARTICULAR CASE I THINK THE  MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT HERE  SO THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY. AND  BECAUSE IT WE'RE OR WORLD  WE'RE FOCUSING ON THAT WE WANT  AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BE IN  THIS THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY SO  THAT WE CAN KEEP THE LANGUAGE  OF THE IF THAT CHARTER  AMENDMENT AND THE ORDINANCE  MORE GENERALIZED AND REALLY  DRILL DOWN ON THE ON THE  GUARDRAILS IN THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY AND NOW  WE'RE BEING THAT THAT GOING TO  COME AFTER THAT I THAT DOESN'T  WORK FOR ME AT ALL AT ALL. I  WOULD HAVE TO VOTE NO ON  ANYTHING THAT CAME BEFORE ME  WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE  STEP MANAGEMENT POLICY IT  ALREADY EXISTS FOR GOD SAKES  CHARLOTTE COUNTY'S AND REWRITE  IT FOR US. I MEAN IT'S A  MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT. SO YOU  KNOW FIND A WAY TO DO IS WHAT  I WOULD SAY TO STAFF BECAUSE  THAT CRITICAL TO ANYTHING  MOVING FORWARD I DON'T SEE HOW  WE MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT THAT  THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY. THAT'S  THE KEY TO EVERYTHING IT'S THE  KEY TO THE CHAMBER SUPPORTS  KEEPING THE CITIZEN SUPPORT  FRANKLY IT'S ICKY TOO MUCH MY  SPORT. ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A  MOTION BY VICE MAYOR TO BRING  BACK A DRAFT OF THE DEBT.  >> MAGIC POLICY I DON'T I  DIDN'T HEAR A SECOND. I'LL  SECOND OKAY. A DISCUSSION  DISCUSSION. A CITY MANAGER.  >> WE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT THE  NEAR BORDER EARLIER WHEN START  TALKING ABOUT WE TOLD YOU THAT  YOU WOULD HAVE QUESTION YOU  AGREE THAT POLICY HELP YOU  ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU  WOULDN'T BE THE QUESTION IS A  TIME SENSITIVITY THAT WE NEVER  HAVE PUBLIX TO DEMENTIA POLICY  BEFORE THEN BECAUSE WE KNEW  THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU  HAVE TO IF UP ON THE THIS IS  SOMETHING THAT UP THAT WE MADE  THINK OF ANOTHER WAY TO GET  DONE WHAT WE WANT TO GET DONE  NOT SURE THAT HAPPENS NOT ALL  THE SAME PAGE AS TO HOW IT'S A  KEY PEOPLE MATTER. IT'S IT'S  TOO IMPORTANT TO TO SO BUT WE  CAN'T CONTROL WHAT THEY CAN DO  WHEN AND I SAYS IT RIGHT THERE  MEAN IS THAT CAN GET GET TO  WORK ON THAT WE GET DONE. IN  TIME QUESTION IS ARE GOING TO  BE HAPPENING NOW THE FINISH  LINE AND WHETHER WE USE  CHARLOTTE COUNTY'S BOARD OF  THE COUNTY'S DOES NOT MEAN IT  WILL, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT  THEY WANT TO PREPARE HAVE YOUR  THOUGHTS ON THE NEW GUIDANCE  ON YOUR INCLUSION ON HAVE  RATION IN ORDER TO MAKE  SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN  STAND BEHIND. WHEN YOU VOTE ON  IT. BUT IT'S IS THE CONCERN I  WOULD SAY THEY COME IN  DIFFERENT THAT HEARS HERE'S  THE PROBLEM. I IF WE'RE TRYING  TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO  WHETHER OR NOT WE PUT IT THAT  LIMIT ON.  >> IF WE DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT  IN THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE. WE  NEED TO INCREASE AND TIGHTEN  UP THE LANGUAGE OR NOT ALL  THAT PREDICATED ON THE MOST  IMPORTANT DOCUMENT A WHOLE  WHICH IS THE DEBT MANAGEMENT  ALL IF THERE'S ENOUGH TEETH  AND THAT THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY THAT SOLVES SOME OF THE  PROBLEMS WITH THE OTHER TO  PIECES AND AND I GET THE  TIMING. BUT BIG ISSUES WITH  IT. BUT TO ME LIKE. I DON'T I  ADDED DO WITH MEAN IT'S LIKE  THEN WE'RE GOING TO FORCE  EVERYTHING INTO THAT  ORDINANCE. IT MANY THINGS OF  WHICH WOULD BE MUCH BETTER  SUITED TO IT THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY AND AND I DO I WHEN  DOES THAT LANGUAGE HAVE TO BE  FINANCED AUGUST YEARS AUGUST  5TH. SO HERE WE ARE. DOES IT  TAKE THAT LONG TO WRITE THAT  MANAGEMENT POLICY WE'RE NOT  LOOKING TO APPROVE IT BY  AUGUST 5TH, WE'RE ONLY  LOOKING. I HAVE A HORRIBLE  SOLID RIFT IN FRONT OF US SO  WE CAN REVIEW IT SAY GEE OK  IT'S IN HERE IT DOESN'T NEED  TO BE IN THE ORDINANCE.  >> OR EVEN IN THE LANGUAGE  THAT LIMITED THE LANGUAGE OF  THE CHARTER AMENDMENT.  >> THAT'S I'M NOT LOOKING FOR  SOMETHING TO GET OFF IT.  >> DRAFT BACK. YEAH IT'S ALL  YEAH.  >> MY WAY IN  >> YES THAT'S SLATED DO I CAN  JUST YES RESPOND TO THAT WE  CAN WORK ON IT, BUT THAT PFM  WILL NOT BE INVOLVED. IN THAT  DRAFT IF YOU WOULD IT IF YOU  WOULD LIKE IF YOU TALK TO PIT  THEM ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT LIKE  IT A LIMB PUT.  >> SO THAT WOULD WORK I MEAN  JUST THINK TO SEE SOMETHING  MORE THAN JUST A COPY OF  CHARLOTTE COUNTY'S AND  VENICE'S AND SAY GEE OR  SOMETHING LIKE THIS.  >> I MEAN, THAT'S NOT A  PROBLEM JUST WHAT WE'VE HEARD  BEFORE I THINK IS THAT WE  WANTED 3RD PARTIES TO BE  WORKING ON THIS INSTEAD STAFF  AND STAFF WOULD BE JUST SO  THAT'S YOUR WISH DO THAT.  >> AND AGAIN CLARIFY WOULD BE  A DRAFT. WE'RE AS WE'RE GOING  TO HAVE THE FIRST. THE  ORDINANCE COMEBACK FOR FIRST  READING THAT WE CAN MAKE  CHANGE BUT THAT'S NOT THE  COMMISSIONER DOW YEAH.  >> I'M RIGHT ON BOARD WITH  WHAT COMMISSIONER VICE MAYOR  IT SAID YOU KNOW THESE ARE 2  VERY INTRICATE. DOCUMENTS ONE  IS THE DEATH HOUSE SEAT AND  ONE IS ASKING THE CITIZENS. 2  RESCINDED THEIR ABILITY TO  VOTE ON ISSUING DEBT. AND THAT  ORDINANCE CHARTER REFERENDUM  LANGUAGE IS IN TROUBLE WITH  THE DEATH POLICY. IN MY  OPINION THEY COME IN TOGETHER  AND THEY SHOULD BE TOGETHER  BECAUSE WE MAY THINK IT'S IN  THIS ONE, BUT THEN WHEN WE GET  THIS ONE A FEW WEEKS LATER WE  FIND OUT IT'S NOT IN THEIR  THEM. WELL WE NEED TO CHANGE  THAT SO WE NEED TO CHANGE  THAT.  >> I FEEL LIKE THIS IS  ABSOLUTELY BEING RUSHED. THERE  IS ANOTHER WAY AROUND THIS  BECAUSE THIS IS FAR TOO  IMPORTANT TO GET IT DONE AND  DO IT RIGHT. WHY NOT JUST ASK  THE CITIZENS PUT A CAP ON IT.  AND THAT WAY THEN IT'S A BABY  STEP. TAKE THIS BABY STEP PUT  A CAP ON.  >> THAT WILL GIVE US 2 YEARS  OR YEAR OR HOWEVER LONG WORK  IN THE DEATH POLICY TO MAKE  SURE COINCIDES AND IT IT'S  RIGHT ON POINT. RIGHT NOW I  FEEL LIKE WAS SHOWING ELEPHANT  IN A SHOE BOX. AND AND I'M  VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.  >> AND TO OR BY KNOW YOUR NEXT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, THE  ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS  THAT. I WOULD HATE THE BACK  BURNER THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY  JUST AND REPLACE IT WITH THE  SIMPLE CACTUS. I THINK THAT  THERE'S WHOLE LOT I DON'T KNOW  IF YOU IF YOU READ THROUGH 2  SAMPLES MANAGEMENT POLICY  RIGHT AND YOU SAW HOW MUCH WAS  IN THERE.  >> CREATES GOOD GUARDRAILS  CONTROLS AND PROCESS THESE FOR  MANAGEMENT THAT I THINK REALLY  NEED TO BE DONE. IN AND TOP  DID. IOS BEFORE THE NOVEMBER  REFERENDUM. SO THAT OUR  CITIZENS REALLY KNOW YOU KNOW  IF WE DECIDE WE NEED THE CAP  TO THEM WE DECIDE WE NEED A  CAP 2, BUT THE POINT IS I HATE  THE BACK BURNER THAT THAT THAT  IS SO CRITICAL SO MUCH MORE  THAN JUST THE CAP. AND I THINK  THE CITIZENS WANT TO SEE THAT  THEY REALLY WANTED TO DO. HOW  IN THE PROCESS IS MIGHT WHICH  WE ARE MANAGING OUR GOING  FORWARD SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE  REALLY RUSSIAN IT BECAUSE.  ULTIMATELY THAT FINAL VERSION  OF OF MANAGEMENT POLICY JUST  NEEDS TO BE DONE. BEFORE IT  GOES TO REFERENDUM WHICH GIVES  US STILL ALL THE WAY TOWARDS  THE BEGINNING WHAT REALLY JUST  ABOUT FIRST OF NOVEMBER TO SEE  THE FINAL LANGUAGE I MEAN IT  WILL BE ALMOST THERE AS FAR AS  THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE WE NEED  FOR ALL OF US THAT DOES HAVE A  TIME FRAME ON IT. AND I THINK  THAT'S WHY A DRAFT OF OF THE  OF THE DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY  WILL HELP EXPEDITE THAT AND  GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE  LANGUAGE FOR THE ORDINANCE AS  WELL AS AS THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT. SO I I DO AGREE  WITH TODAY GOAL AND THEN AND  IF I MAY RESPOND TO THAT. THAT  POLICY.  >> IT'S A POLICY THAT CAN  CHANGE AT THE WILL OF THE  COMMISSION. WHEREAS IF WE HAVE  SOME GUARDRAILS PUT INTO THAT  CHARTER. AND WE DON'T KNOW  WHAT THOSE GUARDRAILS ARE  BECAUSE IT MAY BE DUPLICATING  MAYBE NOT VERBATIM BUT  SPECIFIC POINTS THAT ARE IN  THE DEBT MANAGEMENT POLICY  WOULD THEN BE INCLUDED IN  CHARTER REFERENDUM. AND IN THE  CHARTER LANGUAGE. THOSE  GUARDRAILS. ARE THE GUARDRAILS  TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS IF  YOU'RE NOT SEEING THEM BOTH AT  THE SAME TIME HAVE YOU KNOW.  IT THAT HARD REALLY NEEDS TO  BE IN ORDINANCE THAT WE'VE  ALREADY APPROVED BECAUSE WE  HAVE A DEADLINE SO THAT'S  WHERE I'M COMING FROM WHERE  WE'RE SHOWING AN ELEPHANT  INSIDE OF A SHOE LIE SAID THAT  THAT MANAGEMENT POLICY SHOULD  BE AVAILABLE DRAFT IT PRIOR TO  FIRST READING OF THE OTHERS  AND THAT ALLOWS US TO DO  EXACTLY THAT WHICH WE MAY AS  WE TO JUST WHAT YOU SAY WANT  TO BUILD MORE INTO THE  ORDINANCE.  >> NOT GOING TO DO FINAL  APPROVAL OF THE DEBT POLICY  UNTIL AFTER VOTE OR REFERENDUM  IS ALREADY SENT TO SUPERVISOR  OF ELECTIONS.  >> THAT'S MY POINT.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> I HAVE NOTHING NEW OF VALUE  TO THANK YOU MIKE AND MYSELF  OFF THE BOARD OKAY, I JUST  WANTED TO REITERATE I THINK  WITH THAT THAT WITH THAT THE  WHAT. CITY MANAGER ASSIST YOU  WITH YOU KNOW THAT SAID THE  THE ORDINANCE IS THE WHAT WE  WANT AND THAT MANSION POLICIES  HOUSE ON TODAY, BUT WE FIRST  HAVE TO GET THAT. I BEFORE WE  GET THE POTATO SO WE HAVE A  MOTION ON FLOOR COMMISSIONER  EMRICH HAVE ANYTHING TO THAT.  I DON'T OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE  A I'M VICE MAYOR STILL TO HAVE  A DRAFT OF THE THAT MANAGEMENT  POLICY. COME BEFORE US COULD  YOU IT ON THERE AND SORT I SAT  DOWN FIRST FIRE TO FIRST  READING AND THAT WAS SECONDED  BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, SO  THAT IS OUR MOTION FIRST  READING OF WHAT THE FIRST  READING OF THE ORDINANCE AND  CHARTER AMENDMENT. FOR THE  BOND.  >> I'M SORRY WHAT CAN WE READ  THAT BACK I DON'T THINK THAT  WAS THAT'S IN DIRECT THE CITY  MANAGER TO BRING BACK DRAFT  MAN THAT POLICY PRIOR TO THE  FIRST READING OF THE CHARTER  REFERENDUM. ORDINANCE.  QUESTION OR. THIS IS WHERE I  GO BACK TO PROCESS IS SO  IMPORTANT. IF WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE THE FIRST READING OF THE  CHARTER REFERENDUM LANGUAGE.  I'M HEARING. BECAUSE IT HAS TO  HAVE SECOND READING BEFORE  AUGUST. 6. WE'RE HAVING THE  PFM CONTRACT COMING BACK IN  JULY OF SOME TIME. I HEARD  STAFF SAY THAT THEY COULD DO  THE DRAFT AND SOUTH. BUT PFM  IS NOT GOING TO BE.  >> WEIGHING IN ON THAT.  AND.  >> FIRST READING FOR THE  CHARTER REFERENDUM SOUNDS LIKE  IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE JULY 7TH  10TH OR SOMEWHERE IN THERE.  >> I KNOW THAT BEATING.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT WE GET 2  WEEKS TO COME UP WITH A DEBT  MANAGEMENT DRAFT POLICY.  THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR MOTION.  WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON TO TO  HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. I'M  SUPPORT OF A VERY ROUGH DRAFT  MANAGEMENT POLICY. AROUND THE  TIME OF FIRST READING. THAT  WOULD ALLOW THE FIRST READING  TO NOT INCLUDE DEBT LIMIT BE  MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT WE SAW  TODAY. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY  HOPE AND AT THE VERY ROUGH  THAT POLICY WE WOULD PUT  TOGETHER WOULD THEN GO TO OUR  EXPERTS TO WORK AT ALL OVER.  BUT I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT  OF THE RESIDENTS FOR ALL OF US  IS THAT SOME ESSENTIAL  DEFINITIONS AND GUARDRAILS  WOULD BE IN THAT THAT POLICY  SO AS LONG AS WE CAN SEE THE  INTENTION. SOMETHING MIGHT BE  ADDED TO IT AT WHEN THE  EXPERTS WORK IT OVER BUT JUST  SOMETHING VERY ROUGH. AND I'LL  ASK BY SMITH STOKES'S THAT'S  SORT OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN MIND  SO WE HEARD CONCERNS TODAY  ABOUT YOU KNOW. WHAT DOES THAT  LANGUAGE REALLY MAIN WHAT'S  THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC  SAFETY WHAT'S THE DEFINITION  OF AN EMERGENCY. IF THAT CAN  BE ADDRESSED ALONG WITH SOME  OTHER GUARDRAILS AND I JUST  WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT  ANY BOND. REQUESTS THAT WE  WOULD PURSUE IF IT'S A GENERAL  LOBS OBLIGATION GOING TO GO TO  REFERENDUM ANYWAY YOU. SO IF  THERE ARE ALREADY STRUCTURALLY  SOME GUARDRAILS I MEAN IT'S  NOT HAPPY DAY. CRAZY FARMER,  IT FOR STAFF CHARLOTTE COUNTY.  MANAGEMENT POLICY.  >> IN HANDFUL OF ITEMS FROM  VENICE POLICY THAT I DIDN'T  SEE IN THAT IN THE CHARLOTTE  WANT. I COULD DO IT FOR  CHRIST'S SAKES SO I KNOW THEY  CAN DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE WAY  BETTER THAN ME AND THEY COULD  DO VERY SHORT ORDER AND IT  WOULD BE IT WOULD ANSWER SO  MANY QUESTIONS NOBODY IN THIS  ROOM YOU FOLKS HERE NONE OTHER  PEOPLE THAT SNAPPED THEIR HAVE  SEEN THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S IT  IT'S IT'S AN ATTACHMENT EVEN  THOUGH IT'S THERE I DARE SAY  NOBODY READ IT FOR 5 TIMES  THAT I READ IT AND IT IS  INCREDIBLE IT HAS ALL KINDS OF  THAT STUFF. IT ANSWERS AND  ADDRESSES SO MANY OF THE  CONCERNS AND SENSITIVITIES  PEOPLE AT.  >> SO WE'VE GOT A ALL RIGHT,  WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A  SECOND. DO WE HAVE AN 8. PARK.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO BRING BACK DRAFT DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY PRIOR TO  FIRST READING OF THE CHARTER  REFERENDUM A.  >> THE MOTION WE'RE GOING TO  VOTE ON IT. VICE MAYOR.  >> I'M A  >> THERE IS A YES AND AND SAY  YES. I'M NOT SURE WHY NOT. AND  A MISSION OR AVERAGE. OKAY,  PASSES 5 TO 0. YOU UP WITH  ANOTHER I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH  >> WE ARE TO BE.  >> YOUR YOUR SOUND IS ON JUST  SO YOU  ♪ ALL RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY ALSO  ON  >> THE STAFF EVERYTHING THAT A  MANAGER. IT WOULD ANYTHING  ELSE OF THAT WE HAVE DEADLINES  WITH THAT DON'T WANT TO YOU  NEVER. THAT WILL BE WHAT  BECAUSE OF THE OR NOT.  >> AND WE.  >> WE DIDN'T HAVE A MOTION ON  THAT.  >> WE JUST HAD AN OPINION  REGARDING. ALL WE HAD HIM PUT  IN WE ASKED FOR INPUT, ALL  RIGHT PATH. WE WANT TO MOTION  ON THAT. REMOVE THE REFERENCE  BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN LANGUAGE  RIGHT THE MOTION TO THE TIME.  ALL ITS SECRETS. HELPS.  >> YES CITY ATTORNEY WELL  THEY'RE BRINGING BACK GOING TO  SUPER SUPER MISSION AND IT'S  HIGH TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO  HAVE THIS LANGUAGE THE  SUPERVISOR BY VERY EARLY  AUGUST. WE ORIGINALLY GOING  BRING THIS TO JUNE 25TH. CAN  ALSO BRING IT YOU FIRST JULY  FIRST MEETING SECOND READING  JULY SECOND MEETING BUT THAT'S  ABSOLUTE THAT THAT YOU KNOW WE  HAVE TO DRAFT PREPARED BE KEPT  WITHOUT ME TO KNOW WHICH ONE  YOU WANT TO SEE FOR FIRST  READING RIGHT.  >> YOU KNOW THEN IF THAT'S ALL  RIGHT LIKE LET'S TALK ABOUT  BUT THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE  CAP AND JUST YOU KNOW. I MEAN  YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK IT'S  NEEDED NIKES PLANE GO ON AND  ON BUT BUT I GAVE THE REASONS  WHY I DIDN'T THINK I THINK YOU  CAN FOLD IT UP WELL THEN  QUESTION OF MOTION BUT WE DO  NEED A MOTION. YEAH.  >> ALL FLOTUS GO AHEAD.  >> AND MOVED TO DIRECT CITY  MANAGER TO REMOVE THE  REFERENCE BORROWING LIMIT  WITHIN THE REFERENDUM WORDING.  >> AND SET LIMIT  ADMINISTRATIVELY WELL LET ME  AND THAT THERE IS REPEAT THAT  AGAIN THERE. THEY THAT IN JUST  A ROOM TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER  TO REMOVE A REFERENCE  BORROWING LIMIT. WITHIN THE  REFERENDUM WORDING. DOES THAT  HAVE TO BE MORE SPECIFY WHAT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THANKS TO  CHARTER AMENDMENT REGARDING  KNOW. AND BORROWING FROM THE  REFERENDUM WORDING. THIS IS  WHAT GOES ON THE BALLOT. NOT.  NOT. OKAY SECOND IT FOR  DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE DO HAVE A  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. AND SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR STOKE CITY CLERK AND TO  CAPTURE THAT.  >> TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO REMOVE THE REFERENCE  BORROWING LIMIT WITHIN THE  REFERENDUM WORDING.  >> WE HAVE TO PUT BARRING THE  FARTING REFLECT SPECIFIED.  MAKE THAT COME BACK ALL RIGHT.  >> WE HAVE THAT SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION DID YOU WANT TO  SPEAK WELL. I MEAN MADE  POSITION CLEAR BUT ACTUALLY  LIFE. I WANT TO SEE THIS THING  GET AND. PUTTING A CAP ON.  IT'S GOING TO HELP DO IT THEN  YOU KNOW WHAT I DON'T CARE.  >> I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY  THE CAT MATTERS OR DOESN'T  MATTER I PERSONALLY THINK IT  DOESN'T MATTER BUT IF IT'S  GOING HELP CITIZENS GET SOME  WARM FUZZIES.  >> I'M GOOD IT AND LET'S PICK  A THIS IS TO REMOVE REFERENCE  ALL REFERENCE TO AND THAT'S I  MAY DO THAT STAFF ALREADY HAS  A VERSION OF THIS THING WITH A  WITH UP. SO WHY DON'T WE JUST.  I MEAN ALREADY DONE THAT WE  HAVE WITH VAST VICE MAYOR HAS  ASKED FOR NOT OPINIONS BUT AND  PUT AT TIME OF FIRST READING.  LET'S LET IT LIE. I WITHDRAW  MY MOTION, LET'S JUST LET IT  LIVE WE HAVE 2 VERSIONS WITH  AND WITHOUT. WE CAN FINALIZE  AFTER WE REVIEW THE FIRST  DRAFT OF POLICY AND IF WE ARE  NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AND  WE CAN PUT A CAP ON. I MEAN I  ALL THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION  I'VE BEEN JUST BEEN GOING BACK  AND FORTH BETWEEN. PUT A CAP  AND LET'S GET THE DARN THING  PAST.  >> IT BECAUSE I HEAR VICE  MAYOR AND HE'S ABSOLUTELY  CORRECT. THERE'S SO MANY WAYS  AROUND IT. WHEN I TOOK THIS  JOB. I SAID THAT I WAS GOING  TO BE OPEN AND NOT PLAY GAMES  AND TELL THINGS JUST THE WAY.  I FELT WAS IN THE BEST  INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE  PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. WE LIVE  HERE AND WILL LIVE HERE IN THE  FUTURE. AND I'M JUST NOT  COMFORTABLE PLAYING GAMES, I'M  NOT COMFORTABLE, PUTTING A CAP  WITHIN THE BACK OF MY MIND  SAYING HIS 15 WAYS OF HOW WE  CAN WORK AROUND CAP. THAT'S  DISHONEST I DON'T LIKE. I  WOULD DRAW MY MOTION I'LL TELL  YOU I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND  ALL 32ND THAT WE HAVE A SECOND  WELL I'M GOING TO VOTE ON IT  BUT I.  >> I WANTED TO CITY ATTORNEY  DO WE HAVE 2 READINGS 2  VERSIONS COMING BACK, I JUST  HEARD DON'T KNOW, BUT WE HAVE  TO.  >> NO MA'AM YOU CAN ONLY HAVE  ONE VERSION DRIVERS RATING. I  MEAN WE CAN BRING SOME  ULTIMATE LANGUAGE YOU KNOW IS  IS A BACKUP DOCTOR IF YOU  CAUSE MUCH TALK ABOUT IT AND  USE THAT BUT YOU'RE ONLY GOING  TO RIGHT COMING WERE YOU WE'RE  CONSIDERATION OF FIRST READING  AND NOT FRUSTRATING. YOU CAN  DIRECT PEOPLE ORDINANCE EVE.  CHANGED YOU KNOW FOR A SECOND  READING AND WE CAN CAN DO THAT  BUT REMEMBER WE DON'T HAVE  MUCH TIME BETWEEN THE  >> I WOULD JUST SAY MY NAME IS  OFF STOLE MY TIME. I I NEED TO  STICK TO MY GUNS NOT HAVING A  CAP IS IN THE BEST INTEREST.  THE WHOLE CITY AND I WILL  STICK BY MY MOTION EVEN THOUGH  THAT'S A SECOND AND I COULDN'T  PUT POET ANYWAY, SO.  >> THAT IS A SECOND I'M SURE  SOMEBODY ELSE IT WAS YOU I  SMASHED UP SECOND, LET'S JUST  DO IT. ALL RIGHT SO THAT'S TO  REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO  BORROWING LIMIT. CITY ATTORNEY  JUST TO CLARIFY YOU'RE  BRINGING IT. IF WE CHANGE THAT  AT THAT READING THEY COULD BE  TAKEN OUT OF THAT RATING.  >> HOWEVER YOU WANT TO COME  BACK TO FIRST READING DURING  FIRST READING YOU CHANGE IT  THE RIGHT WAY THE MO AND ON  FLOOR TO TAKE IT OUT. SO THAT  COMES TO FIRST WITH NO CAP IN  THAT FIRST READING YOU HEAR  THESE EXPERTS OPINIONS AND YOU  NOT WANT TO CAP RIGHT, WE CAN  PUT THAT BACK INTO BUT WE CAN  ALSO DO FOR YOU IF IT'S  HELPFUL AS WE CAN PROVIDE YOU  THE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WE  PREPARED WE'RE THE ALTERNATE  APPROACH SO  >> IF THEY DECIDE TO GO THAT  WAY YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT  YOU CAN USE SO THAT THAT WOULD  YOU KNOW MAKE IT EASIER FOR US  TO GET A SECOND RING TIMELY  BECAUSE OKAY BECAUSE THERE'S  YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EXTRA ROOM  RIGHT.  >> MEAN I YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE  TO HEAR FOR THE FIRST FIRST  WINNING THE FIRST MEETING IN  JULY IN PER SECOND READING ITS  SECOND MEETING SO.  >> YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY HAVE  TO KNOW ON JULY. THINK IT'S  9TH FOR THAT FIRST ARE YOU  GUYS WHAT YOU WANT TO THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT CITY CLERK JUST  LAST TIME YOU READ THAT THAT.  SO THE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  REMOVE THE REFERENCE BORROWING  LIMIT WITHIN THE REFERENDUM  WORDING, OKAY THAT'S OUR  MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON AND EFFECTIVE BY. VICE  MAYOR SO FROM A COFFIN.  >> VOICE VOTE. VICE MAYOR.  >> THE PERSON AND YOU KNOW,  KNOW.  >> I'M A YES LANGDON SAY YES.  DON'T KNOW. COMMISSIONER  EMRICH.  >> YES.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT PASSES  HAVE THAT RIGHT. SORRY  GETTING. SUGAR LEVEL.  ♪ BIG  ♪ RIGHT READ OKAY. SO THAT  PASSES REMOVING THE REFERENCE.  OKAY DO WE HAVE ANOTHER BUT I  LIKE TO SPEAK WELL. BROWN THAT  WE HAVE ANY OTHER MOTIONS THAT  WE MUST BE QUITE A CENT YEAH  YESTERDAY BUT ONE WITH MY  TRAIN OF MY GO AHEAD  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I JUST I FEEL THAT ORDER  FOR THIS REFERENDUM TO PASS  THERE NEEDS TO BE LIMITS.  VOTERS ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO  DECIDE AND THE LAST BOW. THERE  WERE NO LIMITS AND THEY VOTED  AGAINST SO I'M JUST. I THINK  THERE SHOULD BE A CAP BUT WELL  THE BOARD AND THE VOTERS WILL  ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION.  THANK YOU FOR. ENDING. RECENT  THERE THAT IS HELPFUL AND WE  HAVE ANY OTHER ALL RIGHT,  THANK AND YOU KNOW AS I SAID  REPEATEDLY.  >> THAT I DON'T THINK. IT  WASN'T ME. BUT I TELL YOU. TO  ME IT'S ALWAYS PRICE AND EYE  ON THE PRIZE IS TO GET THIS  SUPPORTED I CITIZENS. THE CAP  ON. THAT'S THAT OR HELPS TO DO  THAT. THAT'S TO OF THE MOTION.  YES, FRONT.  >> TOO.  >> THINK WE ALREADY MADE A  MOTION ON THIS WAS TO BRING  BACK THE DRAFT OF THE DEBT  MANAGEMENT POLICY SO MOSS FOR  THE  ♪ ♪ ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT. IMAGINE  YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU MAKE  SURE WE COVER YES.  >> THAT'S NOT LIKE  >> ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS DO WE  HAVE ANY.  >> HAVE WRAPPED SAM ALL BY  DAVID DEVAL AND JOSH  >> I WAS A LONG ONE, SERVED  THE PURPOSE OKAY. I'M GOING TO  GO BACK TO. THE CASH RECEIPTS  SUMMARY.  >> SO WHEN I WHEN I LOOK AT  THE CASH RECEIPTS SUMMARY AND  I SEE THERE'S ALMOST 5 MILLION  IN THE TREE FUND.  >> I'M THINKING WHEN ARE WE  GOING TO ACTUALLY START  UTILIZING SOME OF THE FUNDS  FOR ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  LANDS. ESSENTIAL WORLD A  PROPOSED LOCATION FOR PARK. I  HOPE YOU ALL LOOKED AT AND I  KNOW THE NATURAL RESOURCES  LOOKED AT IT. I'M SENDING HELP  YOU LOOKED AT IT. I JUST FOUND  OUT THAT THAT PARCEL WAS  RECENTLY SOLD TO ANOTHER  DEVELOPER. BEFORE WE EVEN  START LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT  PLANS. I REALLY THINK WE NEED  TO CONSIDER IT. CERTAIN  LOCATIONS WITHIN OUR CITY TO  PUT ASIDE BUT WE ARE GOING TO  DO FOR THIS SPRING HAVEN  EXPANSION. THIS PARTICULAR  AREA IS SITUATED RIGHT IN THE  MIDDLE OF SEVERAL SCRUB JAY  ZONES. IT'S 3 AND A HALF  ACRES. YOU GOT SUCH PUSHBACK  LESS TIME. WHEN YOU WANT IT  WHEN DEVELOPMENT CAME IN FOR  RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL TYPE OF  A STRUCTURE. IT WOULD PROBLEM  AND PROBLEMS NOISE PROBLEMS  YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME  PUSHBACK THAT YOU DID BACK  THEN. AND IT'S CONTINUALLY TO  GOES UP FOR SALE. THIS  PARTICULAR PARCEL AND  CONJUNCTION WITH THE LEGACY  TRAIL. AND SO MANY OTHER  FACTORS REALLY NEEDS TO BE  LOOKED AT SERIOUSLY. AND WHEN  WE LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED  DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT COMES IN  WHAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT.  THIS ISN'T ORIGINAL WRONG  ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PAUL SO  THIS POSSIBLE. IT'S RIGHT  THERE. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU  WANT WITH THIS PASS YOU CAN  DENY IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO  APPROVE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT ON  IT. IT'S THE PERFECT LOCATION  FOR COMMUNITY PARK THERE WERE  NO OTHER PARKS IN THAT AREA.  NO OTHER PARKS IN THE AREA TO  LOOK AT AND THE SENSITIVITY  NATURE OF THIS LOCATION,  DESERVES A REAL CHANCE TO BE  LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED TO  DENY WHAT IS GOING TO BE  PROPOSED ON THAT PARTICULAR  PROCESS. NO DEVELOPMENT SHOULD  BE ON THAT I'M NOT PARSING  WHATSOEVER. SO THAT WAS ONE OF  THE OTHER IS ONE OF GOING TO  START UTILIZING SOME OF THAT  REFUND MONEY. IT'S JUST KEEPS  GROWING WE'RE ALMOST AT  5 MILLION NOW. WHAT ARE WE  DOING WITH IT.  >> WE'RE GOING TO SENSITIVE  PLANTS HAHA. WE NEED TO START  UTILIZING IT. THIS IS JUST  KEEP BUILDING UP AND BUILDING  UP. NOT ONLY THING WITH IT.  OTHER THING I HAVE IS THIS WHY  NOT. WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES  THAT MONEY COME FROM. I DON'T  UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT MONEY  COMES FROM. LIKE TO 1000 OR  SOMETHING IN IT.  >> THANK THANK THAT'S IT FOR  TODAY, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR.  SITTING THEY WOULD DO THAT  ALSO DOES OF NORTH PORT ALL  THE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING  THAT'S BEEN SENSITIVE BROUGHT  EARLIER IN THE MEETING ABOUT.  MESSES WE SEE AROUND THE CITY  TO ME THAT'S PART OF COVID  FORCED BOOK AND I DON'T A LOT  ABOUT ACTUALLY ON THE SHE WAS  TELLING ME WE HAVE CODE  ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. AND  THERE TASKED WITH GOING AROUND  I WAS JUST READING ABOUT SNAPE  SIGNS. SIGNS ARE ALL THESE  LITTLE SIGNS SOMEBODY PUTS I  GOT ROBBED SAID. IT HURTS BIG  SALE OF POLITICAL AT OUR CODE  ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GO AROUND  THE PICK THOSE BUT IT WILL  HAVE A FEW REPORTS BUT  OFFICERS 100.5 SQUARE MILES.  ONE OF THESE THINGS ARE  GETTING A LOT. ALL THAT  HAPPENED RIGHT IN MY  NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT UP MY  STREET. CITY RECENTLY PASSED  SAYING IT CAN NO LONGER PARK  THEIR CARS OR ANYTHING IN THE  SWALE SHORTLY AFTER THAT  HAPPENED. BILLING COMPANY USED  POSE TO BUILD A WORD IN THE  MIDDLE OF THIS PUT A SECOND  SITE SITE NEXT DOOR. RIGHT MY  STREET IN THIS WELL, AND IT'S  STILL WE'RE NOW. OKAY. THIS  WEEK. A WEEK AGO. 2 PEOPLE  SHOWED UP STARTED CUTTING  TREES ACROSS THE STREET FROM  MY HOUSE, ONE CUT THE TREES  USE OLDER BUT GOING TO PUT ALL  OF THAT IN THE HOLE COVERED IT  UP WITH DIRT. LAW I REPORTED  THAT. ENFORCED BUT THE NEXT  DAY IT WAS A SCIENCE A WORK  STOPPAGE. WELL, KNOW THAT I  LOST THEM AND SHOW UP THE SIDE  OF DISAPPEAR. USE STUFF AND I  WATCHED THIS MORNING. BUT  WHILE SOME OF THAT STUFF. BY  THE WORLD. FURTHER DOWN THE  STREET ALSO THE YOU'RE F YEARS  SO EXPOSED TO BE THERE. IT'S  NOT THERE. THE CORONER'S  DOUBLE PLAYS BEING BUILT TRASH  EVERYWHERE BUT THE WAY THE  PLACE ACROSS THE STREET BY I  HAVE SOME OF THEIR TRASH  PROPERTY DO. THERE WATER  BOTTLES A STOP POINT BEING IT  WE SHOULD PUT UP WITH THAT  IDEA OF USING CITIZEN CITIZEN  OF COMMITTEES GO REPORT THIS  SO THAT ARE ONLY HAVE 4.  OFFICERS. THE CITIZENS JUST  REPORT THIS STUFF AND OFFICERS  OFF. I ALL THIS  >> ALL RIGHT FROM A MALL THAT  WAS A I REALLY DO BUT EVERYONE  UP THERE ARE THOSE BACK AND  WATCH AS MADE FROM THE POINT  OF VIEW WAS SITTING IN THAT  CHAIR. AND YOU TELL ME ABOUT  HOT MESS IS READY TO BE VOTED  UP. I WAS AN ABSOLUTE MESS.  >> WE DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE THAT  MAKE ANY SENSE. WE WALKED BACK  AROUND ON OURSELVES. YEAH,  YOU'RE TELLING ME. THAT THE  CITIZENS SHOULD UNDERSTAND  WHAT'S GOING ON. I HEARD SAY  IT'S ALL THEIR CITIZENS SHOULD  KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU CAN  WATCH WHAT YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT  AND TELL ME WE HAVE ANY IDEA  WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE I  DON'T THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT  THIS SO PLEASE JUST GO BACK  WATCH THAT PORTION OF THE  MEETING. WELL THERE. AND I  WANT YOU TO REALLY ASK  YOURSELF ARE WE READY FOR  THIS. BECAUSE ALL I HAD WAS WE  WERE THE 3 OF WE'RE HERE  LAUGHING.  IT TALKS BECAUSE IT IT NEVER  MADE ANY SENSE. THAT'S ALL I  GOT IS JUST PLEASE YOU KNOW  KIND OF LOOK AT THIS FROM OUR  VIEW. I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS  LIVE IN THIS WORLD I  UNDERSTAND THAT CITY STAFF  DOES IT EVERY DAY. I KNOW I  DON'T PAY IT, YOU KNOW ENOUGH  ATTENTION LIKE I SHOULD. BUT I  PROMISE I PROBABLY MORE  ATTENTION THAN MOST CITIZENS.  THERE'S NO WAY SOMEBODY SENT  ME THE LINK TO THAT MEETING  THERE'S NO WAY YOU WOULD THINK  YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA WHATS  GOING OFF JUST PLEASE WATCH IT  FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW KIND OF  HELPS THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  ALL  >> TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT  MOVING ON TO COMMISSION  COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSIONER  EMRICH YOU ARE UP FIRST. JUST  A LITTLE BIT GOING ON HERE, I  GOT DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT WITH  MY NEUROSURGEON ON JULY 15TH.  >> AND EVERYTHING'S LOOKING  GOOD HOPEFULLY I CAN GET PAST  THAT WITHOUT HAVING ANY  SURGERY BUT WILL BE THE  DEADLINE ON DAY. DECIDE IF I'M  GOING TO HAVE ANY SURGERIES OR  NOT. STILL FOLLOWING MY  REHABILITATION GUIDES AND YOU  KNOW THERE ARE SOME  INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE THAT  THINK THAT DOING STUFF THAT  I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING  WELL UNLESS THEY GOT A  DOCTORATE THEY CAN KEEP TO  THEMSELVES. BUT I WANTED TO  SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE  STAFF MAJORITY OF THE  COMMISSION SUPPORTS ME AND AND  BECAUSE IT'S MY LIFE, IT'S MY  HEALTH AND IT'S NOBODY ELSE'S  BUSINESS. SENATOR THANK YOU  FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THAT'S  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER, AM RICH.  >> I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT  RAMA IS GOING LEAVE IT AT  THAT. I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> THE ONLY THING I  >> AND KIND OF OUT OF  COMMISSION FOR THE PAST COUPLE  WEEKS I DID GO TO THE PASCO  RIBBON CUTTING TALK ABOUT A  LOT OF PEOPLE A LOT OF  CELEBRATION. I WAS HERE WHEN  WE HAD SOMETHING SIMILAR WHEN  MCDONALD AND OUR FIRST WANTED  SUMPTER AND 41. IT WAS IT WAS  THE TALK OF THE TOWN AND THEN  WALMART CAME AND THEN HOME  DEPOT AND LOWE'S SO NOW WE'VE  GOT A COSTCO OH AND DON'T  FORGET ABOUT THE WILDLIFE  REMEMBER THE BIG EXCITEMENT  WHEN WE GOT A SO I'M THRILLED  THAT WE HAVE A NEW BUSINESS IN  TOWN AND THAT THEY ARE CALLING  IN NORTH PORT THEIR HOME. I  JUST WANTED TO SAY WELCOME I  WENT TO THE RIBBON CUTTING AND  THAT'S ALL GOT THANK YOU.  THANK YOU.  >> THANKS FOR THOSE MEMORIES  YEAH, I WAS BIG DEAL MCDONALD  INTO THE PLAYGROUND.  >> HAHA.  >> BY THERE.  >> AND BUT A MEMORIAL DAY  REMEMBRANCE CEREMONY. WAS  MOVING WE HAD A GOOD TURNOUT.  LOT OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR WE  GET A GREAT TURNOUT FOR THAT.  ALSO WENT TO THE MORGAN  CENTER. GRAHAM RIBBON CUTTING  THAT WAS A REAL TREAT IT WAS  GREAT TO SEE SUMMER CAMPERS  OUT I MEAN. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES  WHO LOOKS A LIKE IT'S JUST SO  GREAT TO SEE ALL THOSE KIDS  HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME AND  AND IT SORT OF MAGNIFIES THE  IMPORTANCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE  SO THAT WAS A GREAT MORNING.  GOT TO SURE WALK ABOUT CALLS.  AND THEN THE COSTCO RIBBON  CUTTING THANKS TO MAYOR  GETTING THEIR LATE I GOT US  TRY REALLY ENJOYED THANK YOU  VERY MUCH. WERE DELAYED IN  COSTCO'S THERE CONTRARY TO  PUBLIC OPINION THERE HAVE BEEN  472,000 DEATHS ON THE ROAD  AROUND THE ROTARY. I TRAVEL IN  EVERY SINGLE DAY BY GOD, MAYBE  PEOPLE DON'T ADD A DRIVER AT A  TOWN BUT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE  DOING JUST PRETTY DARN WELL  CRUISING AROUND THAT ROTARY  GETTING IN AND OUT OF COSTCO  SO. WE'RE DELIGHTED THEIR YEAR  LEAST  >> ON BUT ANY WITH THANK YOU.  THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> AND THEY'RE JUST A FEW  QUICK THINGS I JUST WANT TO  MAKE EVERYWHERE IF THEY DON'T  KNOW ALREADY THAT THE COUNTY  COMMISSION DID VOTE TO  DISCONTINUE THE BUSINESS EVEN  THOUGH THERE WERE SEVERAL  BUSINESSES THAT PROVIDE PUBLIC  COMMENT THAT THEY DON'T MIND  SPENDING $22 A YEAR. BUT IT IS  WHAT IT IS SO.  >> THE EDC BOARD WILL BE  MEETING AND COMING UP WITH  SOME ALTERNATIVE PLANS OF.  >> OF HOW THEY MAKE UP THE  SHORTFALL IS THE RECEIVES  ABOVE BETWEEN 2025% OF THEIR  BUDGET FROM THE BUSINESS TAX  ABOUT $470,000. THIS COULD  HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON  NORTH PORT'S EFFORTS BECAUSE  THEY WILL BE CUTTING SOME OF  THE PROGRAMS THAT WE  PARTICIPATE HEAVILY AND BUT  I'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON  THAT AS TIME GOES ON. AT THE  RECENT MPO. I DIDN'T GETTING  THE LEGACY TRAIL EXTENSION  GETTING AN APPLICATION  SUBMITTED TO THE SUN TRAILS  PROGRAM I DID DISCUSS THAT  WITH CITY MANAGER AND I'LL BE  FOLLOWING UP WITH HIM ON THAT.  I ALSO SO GET THE OFFICIAL  NAME TRAFFIC CONFERENCE, BUT  IT'S THE DESTINATIONS PROGRAM.  THE MPO HAS A SUBGROUP WAS  STRATEGY IS. TO GET TO 0 AND  TERMS OF ROAD FATALITIES AND  SERIOUS INJURIOUS THAT'S  CERTAINLY AN ASPIRATION GOAL.  BUT WHILE I WAS THERE I DID  LEARN THAT THERE IS FUNDING  AND POTENTIALLY EDUCATIONAL  SUPPORT TO DO TRAFFIC SAFETY  AWARENESS ACTIVITIES IN THE  CITY. SO I DID SHARE THAT  INFORMATION WITH CITY MANAGER  AND I'M SURE WILL TALK ABOUT  THAT MORE AS TIME GOES ON.  ANYWAY THEN A LOT OF PLACES  I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH  ALL OF THAT GOES WITH THE MOST  IMPACTFUL THINGS I WANTED TO  DISCUSS WITH YOU. YES AND THEN  IF I RECALL AT OUR LAST.  >> A IT  ♪ >> WENT TO 3 O'CLOCK IN THE  MORNING. SO WE DIDN'T GIVE.  >> FOR SURE FROM THAT.  >> I DID TURN IN MY REPORT FOR  THE SHARP THE COASTAL CAN ONE  SAY CHARLOTTE HARBOR TO COAST  HEARTLAND. NATIONAL ESTUARY  FOR THAT AND WE HAD ONE GROUP  FROM NORTH PORT ENVIRONMENTAL  CONSERVANCY OF PORT RECEIVE A  GRANT FROM STEWART SHOULD  FUNDING FOR NEIGHBORHOOD LAND  MANAGEMENT. SO I WAS REALLY  PLEASED TO SAY THEY WERE THE  ONLY GROUP NONPROFIT THAT  SUBMITTED GRANT APPLICATION  AND THEY WERE AWARDED THAT SO  IT'S REALLY HAPPY TO SAY. AND  COULD DO THAT I WENT TO THE  COMMUNITY ART SHOW OPENING  RECEPTION OF THE CONSERVATION  FOUNDATION SPRAY AND ALWAYS TO  SEE PEOPLE THERE AND WE  ACTUALLY IT'S WHERE THEY HAD  ARTISTS THAT HAD SUBMITTED  ARTWORK AND THE YOUTH DIVISION  WE HAD WINIFRED CLAYTON  FROM NORTH PORT WHO FOR HER  PAINTING WHICH WAS REALLY  BEAUTIFUL AND THAT'S ALWAYS  GREAT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE.  THEY'RE OF COURSE JOHN PAXSON  WAS THERE AND AND ALL THE  USUAL SUSPECTS AS THEY SAY  THAT WITH THEIR FOR THAT AND  THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. YES, I  WENT TO THE ROCKET LAUNCH OF  THE GEORGE MULLEN CENTER THAT  WAS REALLY HOT I AND I REALLY  LIKE THE WAY THAT IT WAS  CALLED THE ROCKET LAUNCH  BECAUSE WE STOPPED ON THESE  THINGS THAT SHOP ROCKETS IN  THE AIR SO THAT REALLY WAS A  ROCKET LAUNCH. YEAH, THE MAN A  CEREMONY, YES THAT WAS PUT ON  BY THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 2,  5, 4, AND I TRULY APPRECIATE  WHEN GROUPS. BUT THIS ON AND  JUST FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT  THAT'S WHO ORGANIZES THAT THAT  EVENT AND I'M JUST KIND I'M  DISAPPOINTED WITH SOME SOME  PEOPLE THAT SETTING CRITICISM  ABOUT THIS THAT SOUND SYSTEM  OR WHATEVER AND AND AGAIN  THESE THESE GROUPS WORK REALLY  HARD TO TO PUT THIS ON FOR THE  COMMUNITY AND IT'S THEIR THING  AGAIN YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO  BETTER AND COME OUT THERE DO  SOMETHING YOURSELF. YOU KNOW  SO KUDOS TO AMERICAN LEGION  POST FOR DOING, BUT THEY THIS  YEAR THAT THEY WERE THE ONES  TO PUT IT ON, BUT I DON'T THE  PAST WE'VE HAD MILITARY  ORGANIZATIONS PUT THAT ON. I  DON'T THINK I MENTIONED THIS  LAST TIME AGAIN BECAUSE OF OUR  LATE MEETING BUT AGAIN STILL  HEARING ABOUT THE GREAT  RESPONSE FROM OUR FIRE  DEPARTMENT FOR THE FIRE THAT  TOOK PLACE ON THE OTHER SIDE  OF 75 EVERY DOWN AND I MEAN  PEOPLE THAT JUST CAN'T SAY  ENOUGH ABOUT OUR WONDERFUL  FIRE DEPARTMENT OF COURSE,  OKAY ALSO TO PUBLIC WORKS I  HAD I HAD SUBMITTED SOMETHING  TO PORT REPORT BECAUSE THE  PEOPLE FOR TREES LITTER  CONTROL SIDE, SOMEBODY JUST  LIKES TO YOU KNOW MOW THEM  DOWN AND I REPORTED THAT IT  WAS DOWN IN THE NEXT DAY I WAS  COMING HOME AND THERE WAS A  GUY FIXING LIKE WOW THIS IS  PRETTY FAST REALLY HAPPY.  >> TO SEE THAT AND THAT THINGS  ARE GETTING TAKEN CARE OF VERY  VERY AND I THINK THAT IS  PROBABLY IT FOR.  >> ALL CITY CLERK ANYTHING.  YOU CAN'T CITY ATTORNEY. CITY  MANAGER. I THINK THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT, SO ARE WE GOOD AND  TO GO TO LITERALLY GO I WE  OKAY ALL RIGHT SO IT IS 3.41  AND I ADJOURN THIS MEETING.  ♪ >> FROM NEBRASKA WHERE THIS  PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE  PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH  WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE  SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS  PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE WE  CAN CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH  THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S  A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN  THEY GRADUATE AS ONE OF THE  FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS  THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND  THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL  OVER ON THEIR BACK AND  ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR  HELP AND THAT POINT IN TIME,  IT'S JUST AN AWESOME SEGMENT  PROGRAM THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO  OUR LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO  THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE