um first I should announce uh recording in progress this is the um normally scheduled um meeting for Norton Conservation Commission uh this is Monday March 25th it is now 6:31 p.m. and as is required we will read the the Preamble concerning this being a remote meeting okay pursuant to Governor Healey's March 29th 2023 Bill extending several Co era policies and programs by allowing virtual meetings to continue from March 31st 2023 to March 20 uh March 31st 2025 this meeting of the Norton Conservation Commission will be conducted via remote participation to the greatest extent possible specific information and the general guidelines for remote particip ation by members of the public Andor parties with a right Andor requirement to attend this meeting can be found at the end of this agenda members of the public attending this public hearing SL meeting virtually will be allowed to make comments if they wish to do so during the portion of the hearing designated for public comment by raising their hand virtually or pressing star9 if participating by phone no inperson attendance of members of the public will be permitted but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means in the event that we are unable to do so despite best efforts we will post on the Norton Cable website www. Norton media center.org and audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceeding as soon as possible after the meeting thank you Dan so so participating tonight uh is uh myself Julian Ker's chair we have Lisa coroa Vice chair um Dan Pearson Mark Fernandez and Paxton hell um so we have U no new uh public hearings but we do have continued public hearings and the first uh item um is the file number 250 1129 and uh we're going to take that in combination with 250 1130 because it is a one project um and uh I'm assuming we have a representative yes you do Mr chairman Jack jacobe from kugan Smith representing the applicant uh and uh we were hoping to receive a response from the peer reviewer to the last set of plans we filed but we only filed them a week ago and we do not have a response so our request tonight is to continue these to your April 8th hearing so that we may hopefully receive that response and be able to use your time effectively uh it may not be a fair question for you but uh because I'm presuming you're not an engineer you're a u uh the legal part of the team is am um as I understand it there's just basically one item remaining is that U to be resolved yeah there was a question at the left side of the plan um about uh a drainage sale and the location of the wall and I understand that we uh answered that and got it out uh but we have not heard back from horley Whitten um but it's only been a week so and I understand all right well so your request is to continue to our next regularly scheduled meeting which I believe is um the 8th of April that is correct all right so any further questions or discussion any anybody want to ask had something or any commission members have questions or audience members as well so seeing none Mr chairman I'll make a motion to continue files uh 11:29 and 11:30 to the April 88th meeting of the Conservation Commission second and we we have a motion made by Dan seconded by Lisa roll call vote beginning with Mark and Dan hi hi Paxon and Lisa hi hi and I'll throw in and ey the motion carries so thank you thank you we'll see you on April 8th all right excellent uh next up is round number 250- 11136 0 EDD Street uh concerning a uh 4 unit um subdivision um and uh I think we were just waiting for a few revisions of the plan um do we have a representative of that applicant yes you do Margaret bacon civil site engineering um maybe you can bring us up to speed I I saw what was sent in I don't know if it was complete um yeah uh we did submit a uh a set of plans last Thursday and John had one additional comment uh about adding additional signage in all the areas where we're in the within the 50 to 100 foot buffer zone so I I did revise one sheet that shows uh additional signage all within the uh 15 100 foot buffer zone along the project limits did you get that Jen yeah I just haven't looked at it because I've been out and about all day with all the rain and everything and flooding and sight other concerns so uh you can share your screen if you want to Margaret sure you have the capabilities just to show the commission yep can you see that okay uh yeah you'll need to uh enlarge it for us so this this plan here is the overall that shows everything on one sheet uh and basically what I did at the last meeting uh there were some comments about tightening up the Ros you control a little little so it's you know up against against the the lawn area which I did uh you you'll notice uh on these these house lots of single family house Lots now and not duplexes and I have wells uh that are in the backyard so my lawn area goes back to those Wells and then that's where I I put the erosion control we tighten it up like you requested in some areas 20 to 30 fet uh got moved forward and then uh John had some comments about putting uh additional signage uh along the uh between the anywhere within the the buffer zone at 75 to 50 foot intervals so I have signage symbols right here right up and through here until we get outside the commission's jurisdiction and then back over here as soon as I hit the foot buffer zone again I've got signage I've got signage along the cart path here which is a 4ot wide or walking path path uh that goes down to the lake with the the with the signage on each side and then is that we continue this way along the erosion control those little those little black boxes are signage 50 to 75 feet as recommended I think those were the only changes uh that were requested at the last meeting tighten up the erosion control add additional signage um I think that was it yeah if you could just go back I I thought I saw where the access to the the pond or the lake was Illustrated but if you could just show that to me one more time that would be great [Music] sure on having having mouse mouse problems here hold on okay so here this area here is one of the storm water basins and I do have a uh you know the maintenance road that goes around that and I thought that would be the good place also to put that uh 4 foot wide access path as you can see this little dotted line that comes right down here to the to the Wetland limits you want to make sure you know people with kayaks or whatever could access the lake is a double dotted line double dotted line four foot wide access path but this whole area right here is all easement now we don't plan on taking any trees or anything like that down here they're just just a walking path uh to access the lake and then where the storm water Bas is going to go that that obviously tree removal there all right and uh any qu are you ready for questions sure any questions from members of the commission uh and if not any questions from anyone uh in the meeting I I just had a quick note um so the limited clearing is going to be coincidental with that pink siment control line is that correct correct so what does the landscape look like where that path is going to extend beyond the settlement control barrier and do we know if it's it's a you go in there now and it's you know it's it's kind of a more of a uh a mature tree over story not not a whole lot of uh under story there so it would just be a 4 foot wide dedicated path down to the lake and I'm sure uh we could avoid removing trees uh we will I mean you can make a path go anywhere but right now I have it straight straight down to access the light Lake within this this drainage easement area right I just want to make sure that it's very clear to the contractor that that they're limited to that 4 foot wide envelope to to clear if they need to so just maybe just add a note to the plan that would be great and I think as far as the Aesthetics go uh making the path somewhat winding to avoid trees would actually be a more pleasant uh environment rather than cutting a a straight line so perhaps we need a condition Julian if Joan Thomas can add a condition that says that the um the path will be uh let's say uh trees will be identified or the path will be staked out and trees identified for removal along that path um and John Thomas can maybe rock it with them before they do any clearing and would that be before they do any clearing for the site or that okay so that's gonna be go crazy withar you let them detention Bas right that's going to be a pre-construction requirement okay okay but I think that you know the path in the area beyond the U the cementation control really it would be unlikely that you would have to remove tree I mean the trees aren't going to be in most areas four closer than 4 foot together in fact they'll probably be significantly more so I'm sure there'll be a way to put a a a Scenic path I'm sure there is and Sam's online too maybe Sam you can speak to that hello yeah yeah we yeah ultimately we're not going to clear anything beyond the uh the sediment control barrier at this point so ultimately once clearing gets done then I think we can better assess where it would be um aesthetically pleasing to process this path I I don't think we need to be concerned about clearing trees Beyond this pond because within the pond we're going to have to clear that area regardless for the um the drainage correct Lisa I just want to make it first and clear we have been on many many many sites where it was not clear where the limit of clearing ends and the contractor went absolutely crazy and decided to clear the entire lot so I just want to make it clear certainly you can go back after the fact after you remove the vegetation that's required for just the Basin itself and then go back in another time but I just want to make it really clear so I think some of the preliminary clearing of the way it give us a better you know vantage point to establish where where drn and um you know maybe if you guys want to do a S sidewalk to see where you want to put the path okay want to make it clear before they Mize and go through bar that's all yeah preconstruction condition joh Thomas and then you can coordinate on your own with them if it turns out it's actually not preconstruction how's that that that works for me I mean obviously obviously when they're ready to go and mobilize to put this path in um my understanding is they'll probably have a majority of the trees down already uh just for Access and E egress they're also probably going to want to do it right after uh the clearing efforts because obviously they're going to have the Machinery out there and you know basically the hands to do the work so they're going to have chainsaws and whatnot so um I'd say that somewhere in between we can figure it out I'm not really worried about that part um the one thing that I would suggest is uh just um you know obviously us making sure that we have everything conditioned appropriately in the order okay I mean it would be kind of a setback if a contractor just you know unknowingly cleared right up to the edge of the U of the um water uh and that would necessitate a significant restoration so you kind of want to avoid that so um so John from your perspective there's no additional information required and we can consider a motion to close tonight is that correct I and the only other thing that I suggested was to have a condition in the permit um that would be issued D for the management of the dam obviously that's something that you can't do immediately um because there's a lot of things that the applicant needs to understand with the HOA kind of technicalities so I would say before any sort of occupancy permit for any of the houses or any um sale of any of the houses or anything like that uh prior to issues of a partial COC or any certificate of compliance that they provide a um operation maintenance plan for the whether it pertains to an HOA or whether it pertains to one single ownership I think that would be a condition that I would recommend the commission uh put in the order just so that way for instance we have that shity I agre occupancy because we all know request for COC can linger for long periods of time right so that was the only other recommendation I had other than that I think that Margaret and Sam and their team have done a good job with kind of getting this whole plan in place um and I would suggest strongly that they can move forward with potentially closing this project this evening if if they choose to do [Music] that all right well if there's no further discussion or questions um I think we can consider a motion I I would say um ask the public the general public if they have any questions or concerns before uh yeah we we had one round of that but we'll go for another round any questions uh from anyone in the in the meeting and you can do that either by going to the reactions button and uh raise press the hand uh raise uh option or just take your mic off mute and ask your question and seeing and hearing nothing in particular I think we can go with the motion I make a motion public hearing 250-1 136 second we have a motion made by Lisa seconded by a mark uh for closure public hearing for file 250-1137 roll call vote beginning with uh Lisa and Mark hi hi and Paxton and Dan hi all right and I'll throw in an ey motion curies thank you guys we'll be doing the U order of conditions next time thank you thank you uh next sorry Julian just this is T I'm here now I'm sorry oh okay all right but uh we'll we'll I mean I don't know if you were here for the the whole of that okay so uh next up I'll be sure to include you in the in the rounds um next item is file number 250- 11143 360 south wester Street concerning construction of a large Warehouse parking lot Etc uh on my agenda it says requesting a continuance until April 8 uh Mr chair I'll make a motion to continue uh the public hearing to April 8th second we have a motion by Dan seconded by Mark um beginning with Lisa and Mark how do you vote hi hi Paxton and T hi hi and Dan all and I'll throw in ey motion carries next item is file number 250-1 1144 U Zer uh Reservoir Street concerning a 14 house um subdivision between Reservoir Street Street and the reservoir they're also uh requesting um a continuation until April 8 so moved second so we have a motion by Dan seconded by Lisa roll call vote Lisa and Mark how do you vote hi hi Paxton and Dan I I and Tama hi and I'll thr in and I motion carries and then uh next is file number 250 uh 1146 38 um Char Avenue um concerning raising an existing building and replacing it with a single family house within the flood plane uh do we have uh looks like we do have a representative of the applicant good evening all my name is Tom shutz here on behalf of the applicant at 38 Charlotte AV I'm also here with Eric Welsley and his wife Judy wedley both on the zoom tonight shall I continue uh certainly uh and I I'm assuming you have screen sharing let me share my screen so at the last hearing we were getting pretty close to the end of the uh of the process in my opinion so just up just an update we added some incremental um incremental elevations within the unfinished business or basement to allow water to flow back out so um the back here is elevation 68.4 the center is 68.2 and then the rear is 68.0 so they'll still allow for the flood compensation to be held within the unfinished basement but also add a little bit of elevation change to allow it to flow back out here's a diagram of that as well um this is the architectural plans for it so the back right here is going to be 68.4 we have uh this location 68.2 3 and then incrementally going down till we meet the 68.00 uh right at the back of where the water are going to be able to enter uh under the house and provide the compensation and mitigation and then finally we were asked to update our cut and fill table which we have provided right here all of this was sent in so this column right here is what we're filling at each elevation this column right here is what we're cutting at each elevation and then this column is our incremental change and increase in cubic feet of volume for flood storage each elevation so as you can see we're adding cubic feet of volume at each elevation up to the elevation of 72 and then we're providing a total of 1,644 cubic feet more of storage than what is originally on site prior to the site or prior to the project so if you have any questions I'd be more than happy to answer them uh Lisa are you happy with that table for the first time so I'll zoom in for you so you'll be able to see better so Tom just a quick question before the the members answer because I haven't had time to look at all this information yet um did you send this over to Building Commissioner I did yes he uh he took a look at it and he responded he asked if we should add floodgates to the basement but the b or sorry not the basement the garage but the garage is outside of the flood elevation so we don't believe that's necessary but we do believe that he will sign off on the on the um the project itself so the garage slab is above 73.4 right correct okay okay so reporting them here they look fine it looks like you're showing an increase in storage exing where is the uh the grading plan that accompanies this is it just the architectural with Spock grads it's just the architectural with the Spock grads corre and here's a quick diagram that shows the actual um elevation changes for outside of the outside of the basement itself and then if you look in this vicinity here here's our spot grades for the unfinished basement where we're going to be providing additional storage at least they're there this time so that's good yeah it's it's my understanding that the grades of the existing ground outside of the structure really don't change except way up there where 71 moves although no we're actually cutting the 71 elevation right here if you could see this line so this is changing we're increasing the 72 grade all the way up to here so this is a big cut and this is all on the outside and then we're going to be moving the 7 73 elevation up into this vicinity and on this side of the house going to be increasing the 71 elevation up here so this was a cut right here and then our 72 elevation is also going to be cutting uh from this existing elevation and then under the house is where we've been speaking about this the whole time um and that's going to be cut all the way down to Elevation 68 yeah uh and just I mean actual groundwater elevation I'm assuming is during nonf flood times I'm assuming it just reflects the level of the U of the pond is that correct I believe that's correct but that was all factored in uh to our roof recharge system and everything like that and that it was there was test pits done out there and I believe it's either a little bit below 68 or right on 68 uh it's actually the cross-section right above the the detail it says 67 and a half thank you okay all right uh so any further questions from or comments from commission members or John I assume you you go ahead Dan you have a question yeah just a quick Pro fora thing uh what is does the chart that we were shown a slide or two back does that have a name this is just a cut and fill table that's a cut and fill analysis y cut and fill okay thank you for compensatory storage cut and fill not earthw cut in a sense in a sense it is right yeah and and John you don't have have any um I mean you're comfortable that we could just proceed and close with this you sufficient information well the information that the applicant has provided meets all the necessary requirements uh for the commission to make a decision on this and issue an order of conditions obviously the I guess the building side of things that's for the Building Commissioner to make those final uh decisions on we will as part of this uh make sure that we receive the building uh permits as part of the condition along with making sure they file for an elevation certificate upon completion of the project um because they will need to make sure that this meets the necessary nfip and FEMA requirements so with that said this is uh similar to another project that we recently permitted but the same kind of procedures and kind of order that would be issued for this so is there anything that the building inspector may require that would change this plan so I think I think the only thing that that may may change is that if there were there was a snag with the structural engineer or any sort of kind of requirements that would require uh them to um do a redesign of the building to meet some sort of performance standards but I don't see that happening obviously that's not our purview but if it does they can come back for an amendment and make those necessary modifications to the building if needed okay um one last question I had I assume this plan well has to be stamped by an Eng is was it stamped yes okay thank you and and this uh area has sewer is that right and I assume the Sewer Service goes out through the area of the driveway or correct the the sewer goes out and connects to charlot AV there Char there sewer within there city sewer within Charlotte AV it's going out through the driveway and water is also there somewhere I'm assuming so correct but I don't I don't see them Illustrated but that uh that's really more a building inspector or Board of Health uh issue to be on the plan is that correct they're going to need to provide these plans to the Water and Sewer Commission for balians so that they'll they'll probably revise these plans and when they do revise the plans they can send us over a Revis copy it won't be a major change but it will be a minor change I don't know have you guys talked to the water sewer yet um as far as I'm aware no but Eric would know better than I would okay so once you get to that point obviously you can submit and that would be a minor modification to the plan and we'll just put that one in the file for this okay would that require a hearing or no would would just be a email to you just send us over the most revised plan and we'll keep that on record obviously that would be the only thing that would change it's not going to be a major modification so you don't have to worry about coming in for an amendment or anything like that perfect thank you all right so um opening up to questions from anyone in the in the hearing uh and if there are not I think we've addressed everything and cons can consider a motion to close I'll make a motion to close the public hearing for file 250 d1146 second we have a motion by Lisa seconded by Mark um and beginning roll call Vote with Paxton and Tama hi hi and Lisa and Mark hi hi and Dan hi and I'll and I the motion carries thank you guys thank you thank you Tom thank you Eric and Judy have a good night thanks uh next up on the agenda is um two requests for extensions of for different file numbers file number 250 - 973 for the uh aquatic plant Management program for wion of pond um so are we doing this in twoyear um increments or or more that's up for the commission to make the recommendation obviously it's it's up for I guess discussion how to long to extend this for I think the original per it was I want to say 2016 off the top of my head based on the number 973 and 980 so uh that would give it um what is it extended for period wi eight years I can't do math right now sorry my brain's on fire yeah um but they give us a presentation every year I believe yes they do yeah they changed they changed hands um recently so there's a new uh company that will be giving up but they typically give us a yearly kind of presentation I I don't see any of them on tonight which I find odd but um they requested an extension and um um you know I'm just basically looking to see if the commission's willing to grant that extension oh joh stat does don't we run out of extensions in a few years it's uh it's usually well it's I've some boards extend projects up to 10 years so I guess that's the question is you know I me I don't think we're authorized to just say eight years right it's it's in increment of one year up years so we can't do anything beyond three years but but in in all shess this is not like a construction project that came before us and then it's not I'm looking to the regulations and the regulations don't care what kind of project it is it's up to three years so that's all I'm saying legally if we want to be within the bounds of the WPA it has to be three years so I'd be willing to make a motion for three years and let it ride and see what happens in three more years is that a motion Yes sounds like it's a motion all right second okay have a motion made by Visa seconded by Dan for threeyear extension file number 250- 97 3 So Lisa and Mark how do you vote hi hi and uh Dan and Paxton I hi and t i and I'll thr in an I uh next item is almost a carbon copy it's F number 980 25980 for U aquatic plant Management program for Charlie par uh I gu I make the same motion to issue an extension for 1150 for threee period second and motion by Lisa seconded by Dan Lisa and Mark how do you vote and um Dan and p i and I think I the wrong number sorry it's 250-80 okay have to start the whole meeting again now I just okay well if we if we go by Congress we might have to impeach Lisa that was the worst thing um all right but um after that clarification I think we had uh the only one left was tomama and my myself I'll throw in an eye and tell how do you vote hi so uh the motion for extension of the U certific of the U order of conditions for try Pond acquired plant management assets uh next item is uh orders ofs for 183 Taunton Avenue and I between the two of these this is the the garage for the recreational vehicle in the partially in the [Music] riverfront I have to say this this new organization of this this stepwise you know the administrative construction Etc makes it a lot easier to review these well it makes it easier for you it makes it a a lot easier for the contractor that has to follow it so that's that was the main prerogative there and I didn't find uh I mean you know it says special conditions but uh all of these are pretty routine special conditions with the exception of in the finding section which is right but that's how D so D issues standard boiler plate and anything we add to that julan is considered special that's why special yeah our special is pretty routine exactly not not to DP though yeah not I bet they could get used to it well they're redoing the Wetland protection act with some climate stuff so you're gon us to that if anyone wants a good read feel free oh well John I was gonna ask you to interpret 900 and something pages of the new stor water RS for me because I don't have the brain power to do it so well I was going to say I was going to hire an engineer or try to hire an engineer to give us a like an abstract of what's going on like you know give me one page abstract yeah just uh you know go out there and hire a chat doot yeah I'll just I'll just plug it into chat GPT we'll be all set exactly yeah so give me a a high school summary outline they probably could do that before it works does it yeah you upload the whole document and it'll give you a bulleted list of so so that's what that's that's what Mark does with my with all my reports that I send in I know what he does now much faster that way John yeah all right well uh I didn't find anything um um Earth shado Earth shattering um with this anybody else have any comments or revisions so to uh issue order of conditions for file number [Music] 250-1414 the orders of conditions are approved approved as submitted and uh next item is f 250- 1150 27 power Street which is an addition um very close to the Wetland next to the 25 foot um and but again very I mean pretty much go spiritual condition I apologize I no you don't have to made it easier I didn't even have to load it into chat [Music] GPT I make a motion any comments on this one to um approve and issue rul conditions as written for file 250-15 second we have a motion by Lisa seconded by Dan Lisa and Mark how do you vote I hi Dan and Paxton all hi and T hi and I'll three and I motion carries and we are up to minutes um I had no comments with the exception of the glossery but uh that's when we get there we talk about that John can you post those minutes for a second I was just something that I said at the beginning of one of the hearings that just didn't make sense so I don't know whether it was Dan the colors sorry well I I'll bring them up on screen purple and green hold on one second okay green for conservation purple for nton and large obvious place where it says minutes March 25th for Julian okay I hope it wasn't the 25th because today is the 25th but oh well perhaps the 11 the 11th is what I mean yeah okay so what page was the S I think it was on the second page uh let's see was it the Mansfield project yeah [Music] okay I thought I would remember it now I'm not seeing it is the next one the street one shoot here let me highlight your name oop sorry you gotor there you go there you go can you see it now yeah Le's name is everywhere so four of 54 suggestions okay I think it must have been all right be the next one oh no it was that one about the landscaper okay wait yes special coning for the landscaping company which is at a remove from this I don't know what that means I I think what page is this P to it's the fourth one where it says yes yeah there was concern that because this is so close to the wetlands that landscape debris would just be dumped over the edge of one of these walls right but the sentence doesn't make sense landc don't the area we have a special concern for the landscaping company which is at a remove from this discussion is that what I'm saying well well that that just means that um uh the Landscaping Company wasn't there on on the uh they weren't they weren't giving their input and you were saying that if if I am not mistaken that your concern was that um the landscapers would come and they wouldn't have any concern for the um uh oh uh the um they would go into the area and not respect the 're not aware they're not aware of what's there yes okay I just think it needs to be rewarded I just it sounds funky well it's perfectly good English which is out move from this discussion all right yes it means it means they were they weren't here okay but is that is that in the glossery I don't think I would have exactly said it like that but you know anyway I know no you didn't it's uh every now and then I every now and then I do all right I'm I'm stopping those minutes okay so just fix that how about if how about if we if we say um uh we have concern for the Landscaping Company possibly yes uh putting debris in a protected area and I would not put that in italics oh okay well everything is in italics you find if it it'll take another half hour to do this if I uh uh show if I if I um take take the time to put it in italics and I'm already up to it takes it takes some time to do these minutes actually oh I know I know Dan uh let's see the of it just that one we have a special concern for the landscaping company uh uh just say which is not at this discussion but but you don't have that that doesn't you you automatically know that the landscaping company is not going to be attending this so that that's I think I think you can put dot dot dot after landscaper and then close it off and then because we don't need to add the rest of it um okay because we know exactly um the inference that Lisa would be suggesting there yeah and it's it's specified later yeah about um you know adding no dumping to to the yeah the boundary signs so I think just just deleting that thing that's highlighted and just put dot dot dot afterwards because she did say some other stuff after that it's just we don't I don't I don't find it necessary to add that to the meeting minutes okay no that's fine I I understand you don't like my peits are minutes but uh I will say I do like your color coordination minutes though that that's very nice I think I might have to take a little bit out of the Dan Pearson book on that one we might have to compete a little bit Dan you okay with that yeah that's fine sure okay all right sounds good didn't didn't Megan at one point have like a summary um program that summarized the minutes so we used uh Google translate and that was good but it was basically taking her a a lot longer to decipher them so until there's maybe some sort of chat GPT bot that we'll be able to use and get everything right for us I mean then then we could use that that would be great okay uh I could sort of summarize well it's not all that easy for me to summarize because I don't even I don't always know what's going on to to be quite quite Frank uh until after I listen to the whole meeting again um uh well I'm doing the minutes uh but um but really from the from the obligation of the open meeting law which I'm assuming is the reason that the minutes are required to be summarized since there now is a word for word and video recording of the actual proceedings do we really need to uh and how how long is that preserve that that record to my knowledge I mean they're supposed to be up there I mean since they've been doing since they've been recording the minutes um on video I mean we have we have things from 1985 from meeting minutes um that I have uh the hard copy um cassette tapes for I don't have a tape play but we have those so so you know with regard to ex you know being exhaustive uh if there ever was a reason for somebody to know exactly what got said they they can just retrieve the actual meeting and listen to it so so perhaps being briefer Dan and not worrying whether you've got you know every little shakesp and Nuance um and and just you know summarize because how do we compare to other commission I can tell you okay so once again and the the shorter ones uh they would have said you know the chair open the hearing they discussed the retaining allong and they took a vote literally okay just one sentence they discussed the retaining all right and they took a vote um and and then some of them run a little more um descriptive but ours is definitely exhausted I mean it's it's it is the full thing and I have you don't see that that often at all so so Dan do you feel out exhaustion oh no I have this is uh no this is this is steady work so it doesn't exhaust me um I know exactly what I'm I can it meet the intention without going you know full more overboard and then not just skimming some of them are really kind of pippy and and really don't capture what happened so I can try to send you examples or I'll send you to some pounds that I know are reasonable that's helpful okay yeah why not the talking points I would say for meetings like this is that when a member or the or the a or the agent or someone else requests certain information or they have an inquiry that's when you call it out and um but the whole you know I want to say fluff discussion you know doesn't need to really be transcribed it's more so with like for instance just highlighting the important pieces of that and obviously you know Dan I think that's that's something that eventually will happen um but you know I appreciate the uh the work that you do it's very nice to see that you know it's it's very well tailored and uh you know I like the little glossery thing even though Julian has commented on it so oh yes what was what what did Julian dis the I don't know in the glossery you you you talk about we don't have to tell what the what what the planning board is I guess or something I don't know but well I mean sometimes the abbreviation but you have the TSS removal and then you have TSS REM well I'm sorry what was that Lisa I just think didn't hear that get a flavor for you know the the points to get across versus the stuff that's not so important but somebody could go to table if they want it that's all yeah well most of the time I mean I I take out things like uh something you're talking about water and sewer and I didn't really uh I've been doing this I've been doing the minutes as we've been go as we go along and um so I just made some very slight mention of water and sewer and then uh something about uh um yeah information from the Water and Sewer Commission is still being awaited which really you know uh there was discussion about something I don't know so the only issue is on on this on the glossery you have um TSS removal can be achieved by various methods such as and then you have the 1 two 3 4 five and I assume that was actually distilled down from the bullet points um I don't know if that can just be removed I mean it's irrelevant because it's from well I honestly a lot of these things because I don't come in contact with them um I guess you know technically it was not part of our proceedings but I'm favor of putting it there only to enhance Public Access should anybody who isn't schooled in all the details actually want to look in the minutes and uh so I think that's a fair addition um well somebody mentioned TSS stuff about it just never mind it's just um so yeah I think we're I think we're all set with this is that is that right because there's no that there was one correction that we made uh anyone John did you make did you make that correction or should I I can I can make that correction Dan I actually highlighted it so I'm all set we'll have Megan make that correction and we'll get those minutes ready for issuance okay all [Music] right we do I make the motion to approve the uh was it March 11th meeting minutes as discussed second uh so we have motion by Lisa I think uh Paxton you you got the second um Lisa and Mark hi hi Dan and and Dr hi and I'll say you tonight um so uh next we are up to report from staff so we received a couple new projects um today so those will be on our agenda for uh the next proceedings which is going to be April 8th um I have a conflict at the next meeting so I will probably be on uh to open up the meeting but I need to jump off to go to the finance committee uh to discuss uh some articles that we're going to be having for transfer of funds for the dam so then I'll be back um it's only basically going to be probably 5 to 10 minutes but I will let you guys take the Reigns on that um and um I guess the next item um is to have Conservation Commission sign off for the Pine Street uh project that Alan dunis is working on at win 54 Pine Street there was a restriction I guess it was a deed restriction it was a planning board requirement to have conservation sign off on um I don't really know all the all the information behind it I don't know if Al's on the call this evening he was supposed to join us but doesn't look like he is um but the deed restriction was for the open space parcel and part of that was just to be acceptance for the commission um to basically state that for instance the open space requirements met for the property but that should be a planning board thing I don't know what's going on here to be honest with you and we're on it and the select board's on it I don't know why the planning board's not on it because there really is no transfer in title for us um it's more so with accepting that the deed restriction is is a substantial open space preservation technique um but that was for the planning board to make that so you know when it comes to this kind of stuff it's just we don't have a planner we're going to get one in 3 weeks thank God but you know that's that's um something that I'm hoping can get ironed out um and we can finally get back on track with how things are supposed to operate because this is news to me I didn't know that this was going to happen in front of us so um but but this is um not something that's time urgent so we can wait for it to be clarified and then uh we can vote on it um hold on Megan you can talk on this by the way you don't have to text me um I thought that uh what Alan needed to sign off for was that uh playing board gave him a waiver for the amount of fill that was allowed and um conservation also had a sign off on the bill um I I believe he came in with the paperwork but um you are out on site visits um and then it had to be agreed upon to be signed but he didn't leave the paperwork um and he said he was going to be on the call but obviously he's not so I guess we'll you know I I I honestly don't know exactly all the stuff behind it um so I I I don't know what to say about that then we'll have to table it till the next meeting until I get more information on it so I know I had we haven't had much time to look at it um like I said I've been busy doing other stuff and you know unfortunately I haven't really been able to talk about it but we can just bring it up next time yep uh so then the next one is um Mor Farm status updates so Joe's here today uh on the call but I just wanted to give the commission kind of a heads up as we move forward um with theose Farm um we looked at Rose farm today access uh from the north side of uh the property for Rose farm um the Southside the access and going through the school is still being discussed with the school committee and the school board so we're still working through that for the potential of having that be the community garden Act access nothing's been really set in stone yet um but we kind of have trying to exercise discussions to see kind of getting get an understanding from the school board and school committee as to what their thoughts are on that potential option but uh as we move forward and progress It's my understanding that there's um some procurement process that needs to happen from the town side of things um to secure the lease agreement and everything like that so I need to make arrangements uh and move forward towards um making that happen so that way Joe can potentially look at the potential land use and have that basically that main Priority Access be open for his farming um I guess operation um but we did look at the vegetation management and maintenance that he needs to get out there and do the work and it's very minimal the fields have kind of been maintained um there's not a lot of trees that need to come down which is a good thing some minor um cutting of some creeping vegetation within the center of the fields needs to be maintained but nothing really Fring like that is really a concern for us for environmental uh purposes so I think you know as we progress and move forward with this this is going to be something that could happen sooner than later it's just making sure that for instance we have kind of all the necessary legal kind of s side stuff um kind of set up and making sure that the commission can sign off and make sure that we can make this a formal thing uh for for Joe and his second nature Farm um kind of opportunity and um operation so I just wanted to give the the commission a heads up as to kind of what the current status is um for that and I'm open to any questions if anybody has any so is there nothing else we need to do at the moment right in support us or no actually there there really is nothing that that the Conservation Commission is being requested or required to do it's it's more so with us kind of going through the motions and going right through the right process with kind of getting joe onboarded um with a potential lease agreement going through the procurement process I think there's an RFP we have to basically open up uh from my my discussions with um with Town management today is that you know obviously we have to open up the RFP so there's going to be a little bit of a delay with that process but I'd like to get it on sooner rather than later so that gives um you know the opportunity um you know a quicker kind of resolve here um and we can hopefully move forward and have some some something in the grounds sooner rather than later yeah I was gonna say the cl's taking Joe when's uh when's when is when does does everything have to be planted and plow now now now right Joe [Music] now oh he's on the call I don't know if he's there but um it's a little it's a little early some of these plants may be in in Nursery areas as mine are I I got my microphone to work sorry about that uh yes our current situation now would be our normal prep time and we would have normally already been planted um so things seasonal things would be delayed most Nursery plants in the commercial aspect are planted Ed 12 weeks prior to First Frost yes last last frost so that's our kind of time frame I'm having some internet stability for some odd reason I apologize so I just wanted to give the commission that update um but we are making progress substantial progress um and I'm hoping that Joe won't be um homeless for much longer that's my hope so right Joe correct thank you and I appreciate the effort here it is been a lot of unique paths to this but it seems like we do have a lot of support a lot of other areas and conservations comparison so thank you Joe and with that said I think the last thing on our agenda was uh discussion item that Julian brought up last time was to discuss the potential of chair and vice chair reappointments so I hope before we do that okay um I'd like to talk about the American chestnut project oh sorry y That's was that was something that yeah so um John and I and a gentleman by the name of Dominic kuche uh met uh with regard to the possibility of planting some uh Young American chestnut trees on conservation lands and and one area is the Rose farm we we looked at several um and it would not really obstruct any any areas that are are currently used for other other things so I want to just read you a h brief text that Dominic has sent over just so that everybody is aware of exactly what it involves and this is well I'll read the text uh from Dominic it says I will we I will plant a mix of pure American chestnut and first generation hybrid and the hybrid is with uh Chinese Chestnut which is the chestnuts that are alive now uh the idea is so that if they survive and come to maturity which is in an area where they can get direct sunlight uh should happen in about five years or so they will cross-pollinate and produce some second generation hybrids future Generations will produce third generation and so on eventually the hope is that American chestnuts will develop immunity to the blight that has nearly exterminated them in the meantime when these chestnuts on planting mature they will produce nuts that can be enjoyed by animals and people at some later point if the Conservation Commission gets excited about chestnuts we can discuss possible experimental growth that could be monitored by the American chestnut Foundation I'll stand by for any questions during the meeting well uh he's actually not on this meeting but uh he just uh relates that I planted 10 at the World War One Park in North adoro five at Borderland State Park and also a bunch at an Old Homestead in Pennsylvania uh I will be receiving 30 pure American chestnuts from the American chestnut foundation in a few weeks and I have a bunch of F1 hybrids so um what we need tonight to be official is the uh we have a entertain a motion to allow Dominic to plant these uh during the next month when when uh is the hour ideal time uh and then uh as I understand it John will send a letter to Dominic which um gives him permission to plant probably five to 10 trees in various locations yeah just to just to just to keep the um the commission apprised uh Dominic and I had a a conversation about where he's looking basically to put these and you know it's to start it would be just five um five uh trees in the location of near Edith Reed where the parking lot is and that was his intent the success rate of those he's looking to see if they would succeed um those would be the the N the native ones that I that he was talking to me about it wouldn't be the hybrids um from what I gather so those are the ones that he's looking to plant over there it looks like Joe has a question what's up Joe my question on this is height age calber of trees and what is the protection that they'll be provided and their watering status right so that was kind of the same questions I had for him um the ones that I don't know the ones that he's getting from the um Chestnut Society I I don't know if he knows what size they're going to be right now um but his intent is to basically have them uh potentially have a collar on them I guess when they're small and then um the intent is for him to water them further direction of what they're required uh he's going to have to be out there and the reason why he wanted to basically plant them near the parking lot is because they'd be easily accessible uh for him to drive up to and take a water bucket and just basically um water them um and the um the trees would be caged if they were young obviously and that because just to deter from any sort of uh pests or rodents or things of that nature I asked the same question so um that's kind of his intent and from what I gather from him is he's been doing this for a while he knows the necessary procedures that need to happen um and he's looking basically to have these succeed so he's willing to do what needs to be done for them to succeed and uh you know it's basically it's basically like taking care of a child you know he needs to make sure that they're receiving enough water and and making sure that they're uh in good health having enough sunlight and uh that's kind of his intent one more question um whose responsibility is it going to be if we see bl light and removal so that was going to be some sort of discussion that I was going to have with him if that was going to be a problem and obviously that's going to be in his plan that he provides us before he plants them and I think that is one of the biggest main concerns because the blight is an issue and we want to make sure that it's not going to affect any other native trees that are in the area sorry one more question go for it um these trees will be State Certified they will have passed all inspection for transport across state lines the ones that he's receiv receiving I believe those ones are the ones that he has to basically get all the necessary um certifications for uh so those will be uh sanctioned by the um uh Chestnut organization that he's getting them from so the shipper of origin will be licensed I to my knowledge they should be yes all right thank you I appreciate your time yep D yeah um I'm sorry I missed this gentleman's last name and his position the uh Dominic Dominic cruche oh you need the spelling um crew is c u c and the he has an accent uh oriented to the right over it but you can probably be forgiving forgiven for leaving off the accent I will and he's a he lives in north aloro and I think the trees that he is going to be planting are already growing in his very small Nursery area in north aduro um but you know with regard to the blight the blight is pretty much everywhere you know and it so I don't I don't know if you can really uh raise the issue of um you know if a if if a tree gets the blight it just dies but um so you know I don't think the presence of the blight is is going to be an issue but as I understand it and and Dominic is willing to give us like a 10-minute synopsis in a future meeting which I think we we want to schedule for a time when the agenda is not voluminous and and that and that's part of it too is just to have uh kind of just a um a plan in place kind of similar to what we're going to do for Joe but you know it's it's it's more so the same where we have a plan so that way they outline um what their intent is and operation maintenance and things of that nature so um you know I think you know once Dominic has a game plan obviously I think then he's ready to go and he wants to present something to us I mean Jordan if you want to reach out to him and just say that you know the commission's looking for um kind of a a pretty abstract operation and maintenance plan and kind of just I guess summarize everything that's been said tonight as to kind of what we're looking for to make sure that um you know there's going to be less maintenance from our kind of side of things and um you know just try to see that for instance it's not going to be a nuisance and it's going to be more of a better thing for for the community okay I I yeah I I I don't see how it will be a nuisance assuming he sites them in the area where nothing else is occurring right which is was with the plan um and you know he's he's very knowledgeable about this and I think he can address all of the concerns that were raised tonight without any problem and I I'll I'll talk to him and and he can draft up um the u a written form of the the the plan so with that said uh so we will not hold a motion or because he he is concerned that if we get too far into April that it will be not the ideal time to do transplants okay um I guess if he wants to send over I mean I I need to see which plants he's going to to plant because you know my thought was if he's going to be planting the American chestnuts that that would be I think appropriate um you said that he has some Asian chestnuts the hybrids right no no the the the BL was introduced into the this country when the Chinese Chestnut was brought in as a as an alternative species okay and um and that is the problem so he's definitely not planting any kind of okay Chinese Chestnut but at the same time the Chinese Chestnut has been here U for quite some time and many of the chestnuts in our landscape are hybrids with Chinese chestnuts um so and that's one of the uh tasks that the uh American chestnut Foundation does is they have genetic analysis Labs that can determine uh what is found in the woods whether they are hybrids with the Chinese variety or whether they are pure American chestnuts and the intent is to find American chestnut trees uh in the landscape that have become have developed natural immunity to the bright and not become hybrids with u the Chinese Chestnut [Music] variety okay so I guess um the question is does the commission want to make a vote now or do we want to hold off until Dominic has kind of come in to talk more about this yeah I think if if you want to schedule it for April 8th meeting that's still going to be plenty of time uh for him to do the plantings and and we can really address these questions directly to him because he has a far greater knowledge base about this than I do okay so does that seem reasonable to the commission and in the meantime I will ask him to put in W in the uh exactly how he will monitor these and um um and maintain [Music] them so I think I think I have a plan as to where to go with this and we'll we'll bring it up next time but we'll need before we start that I just want to let everybody know that Joe's on the call tonight because he has put put in a request to be a member of the Conservation Commission with our current vacancy so Joe will be attending these meetings most likely for the near future um and I just wanted the commission to know that um that that process is going to go through uh the select board's office as well so I just wanted to make that known that's why he's here this evening that's why he's been here for a while um but he's very interested in in joining the commission so I just wanted to make that known to the commission as well sounds very good thank you Jo thank you after listening to us Joe you sure thank you AB absolutely I need more fun in my life all [Music] right um so we can move on to the the chair and vice chair discussion um you know I brought this up only last I think it was last time only because I do not want to monopolize being the chair you know and um because I've been the chair I don't know for a long long time and if there's someone who would feel comfortable and enjoy uh directing the I mean you know doing whatever has to be done to keep the meeting rolling I'm fine with someone else doing it so that's [Music] I don't think anybody's gonna accuse you of being a tyrant uh and sort of um holding on to power too long so well but but uh there is a [Music] um I mean maybe it's because when I first started doing this I was very very uncomfortable with public speaking and and doing running a public meeting and I have to say that being forced to do it has made me more comfortable with it and I think if there are any of you uh want the chance to do it uh and and become comfortable with all the aspects of it I'm I'm willing to to you know I can still ask questions that I that I need to have answered without being the chair any takers any takers yes I mean that that can be at any time in the future so if if there's no objections for Julian and Poli is staying chair and vice chair and also for Dan being the clerk then I suggest we revisit this in I'd say let's say six months and we'll make see how things go and progress and I don't know until until basically I think basically every six months we can re-evaluate and reassess um and just make sure everybody still is on board because that's a discussion to have I think you know obviously we want to make sure everybody feels that you know the meetings are working and everybody agrees that you know this is the the way that meetings should be run so I think six months timeline we just reassess and reevaluate everybody okay with that yeah who knows CH step right in there I mean maybe maybe maybe Mark will step up and say hey he wants to be the the chair and you know Tama wants to be Vice chair you know I don't know like th shaking her head she's like that sounds like a good plan um yes if I could just say my my email saying that I would be uh willing to do this uh I sent out because I thought Julian was uh obviously he understands this and I I understand it now that this was not the case but I I thought Julian you were just itching to get out of the chair and uh I I have no interest in being chair but I would be happy to do it if there is a [Music] need just just so just so we're aware Dan I hope you know this that for instance if Julian and Lisa are not at the meeting you are the chair because you're the clerk so I I hope you I hope you I hope you understand that that would indefinitely fall to you if that was the case so maybe you'll have to deot me a little farther from where I am Secretary of State do you want do you want do you want do you want to be the treasurer [Laughter] instead no that would be the end of conservation as you know it as we know it well I will say that we our all our budgets got slashed from the town so we don't have much money right now so just to let you know that so does that mean we should have held on to our free grand Thomas uh that means that we probably should have tried to hold on as too much money as we can so unfortunately that's something that we'll have to plan for in the future so yeah so we don't need to motion anything for Jing the state chair right no no because he is he is still chair and your Vice chair there's nothing that's changed so there's no need to vote on anything we can just say motion to adjourn and we can be out of here before 8:00 yes we someone yes thank you John I appreciate that uh so that I might I might go to sleep tonight we do need two people who are willing to motion and I'll be the first I'll make a motion to adjourn okay so that with that said I just need everybody to give me a thumbs up and we can adjourn thank you thank you everybody night who's the second me Lisa okay thank you Lisa bye Dan