##VIDEO ID:qXUWmJSrK_Y## all right I'm going to bring this meeting to order this is the uh do you need to hit record or you recording Don recording all right uh this is the November 7th 2024 meeting of the township of Ocean Environmental commission uh we will do a roll call member Colton is here he stepped out for a moment he will be back but if Miss oats could please note it on the record that he is President um member godette here member janetti is not here this month member Lutz here member Brandon I do not see member m here alterate Shanti here and Alternate backs all right statement of compliance with the open public meetings law the notice requirements of the open public meeting law for this meeting have been satisfied a copy of the annual notice was sent to the asber park press and the coaster posted in town hall and filed in the office of the Township Clerk on June 28th 2024 and as a reminder to everyone this meeting is being recorded and will be made available on Ocean Township's YouTube channel so if you get really bored you can watch this anytime you'd like okay uh we have minutes for approval uh Donna I don't have my calendar in front of me but there's a a little discrepancy were they the 4th or the 5th because the agenda says September 4 in the meeting minutes it up there it was December uh September 5th September 5th all right good so the meetings are correct um do I have a motion to accept the meetings a motion second moved by members alternate Ser Monti and seconded by member all in favor I any member May is abstaining any opposed all right great moving right along H what do we have next oh Nancy would you mind joining us at the table we would love to hear and talk more about yes I think I've done this a few times so um I think all of you have heard this already but um I wanted to work on a program called skip the Stu which is a program that many of our neighboring towns have already adopted in order and store you go into a restaurant you get takeout you go to pick it up it's in a bag you're taking it home to eat at your dinner table with your silverware but in the bag are plastic utensils condiments uh napkins straws everything that you don't need so um again it's an ordinance that a lot of towns have already adopted to put up a sign in a restaurant and have the restaurants agree to skip the stuff they can ask and request for the utensils to be included in their bag but the default would be to not put them in so I just noticed eent toown now has also adopted it um ocean for there's a lot of our local towns who have it already and they are looking for a Statewide ornament so they're working on that um there's an organization called Beyond Plastics who is um overseeing this but there's indiv idual like ourselves in green teams and environmental commissions who were trying to get this going in each town so um I they have a survey that we can send out to all of our restaurants in town and I spoke to Ed we were talking about maybe adding on a couple other questions about just how business is going and things like that and um so that's the point we're at now so we would like to try to get that going so could is it possible for them to like display a sticker saying we support this yep absolutely and that's one of the things that they give you all this already so this would go up in the restaurant and I mean we could tweak it if we wanted but it's basically we kindly ask that you request accessories if you need them and what I've seen in some restaurants is they have a table when you walk in that's where all the takeout bags are next to that table are all the utensils so it's not in your bag but if you want it you just grab it chipot I think Chipotle is SE okay yeah I've seen Chinese restaurants have all the condiments and it's all lay in there you grab a handful of mustard if you want throw it in your bag but most people don't want it goes in the garbage yeah and it's a cost savings for the restaurant as well absolutely that's the biggest thing and that's what I would tell the restaurants is it's a huge cost savings I mean everyone's doing to go and take out now door Dash GrubHub all these things so they're constantly buying all these throwaway containers I can't even imagine the cost now that the restaurants have taken on so that's a good question what happens if there's somebody in the middle like door Dash or GrubHub they're going to they're going to take the utensils because y I talked to Door Dash and you know you don't really get too far with them it's just customer service over the phone but I wrote a letter to them saying can we please encourage your individual restaurants to have a tab and Check Yes I need utensils some restaurants have that but most don't and uh it's automatic they just put it in because they don't want to get yelled at later that the person at work wanted the pork you could take wallwalk because their corporate those restaurants are all corporate owned and they are big on community involvement community support and y y y yeah so you're not dealing with an individual right right and I do a shift and a half or two shifts a week at one the storage and we actually yelled at if that bag for the takeout doesn't have the the spoon and the napkins in it every single time we've gotten complaints from the outside back to corporate and back down to the yeah individual store yeah and I figured if we could start with just the you know the pizza places the Chinese restaurants the places that do a ton of takeout that nine times out of 10 the people are just bringing it home and you know maybe 10 years down the road try to get to the the waas and community stores but yeah but with the amount of take that comes out of that store all of those stores probably Rivals any pizza place in town yeah we'll do 150 200 sandwiches in a day right would you say that they're more lunchtime people on the road people working maybe it varies a little bit per store but yeah lunch is it usually a lunch rush usually up in Neptune on up in 10 falls on 36 so the Amazon drivers about 11:30 yeah they fill up the truck they fill up the driver and off they go yeah yeah but um yeah I mean it's not going to be perfect but um at least you know if we could make a difference in some instances it would be great I would say while we're on Quick Check since you might be able to twist from the corporate side yeah a little bit more right right than 7-Eleven or Wills Farms or the others in yeah 7-Eleven really doesn't do a lot of it yeah yeah so um so what would be the next step then officially to so I think when we I think we wanted to to kick some extra questions around but that was a few months ago and I don't want to let the perfect be the enemy of the good here so I think that the the basic survey is good to go out um yeah I think the sooner we can get this out um I've talked to some other folks in town about this and there seems to be a lot of interest in getting it done um both the survey and the and the ordinance um my question is always and this is not any kind of like a a Slowdown or a deal breaker at all but I am really curious about what the enforcement mechanism on the on the ordinance would be yeah it it probably wouldn't be much you know I can imagine that restaurants would probably be just like a they made me put that flyer up and I'm going to ignore it but um my thought is if we could reach you know a response and they can you know agree to do it and uh it's G to make a huge difference so yeah I'm sure there's going to be a ton who just won't even bother and there'll be no enforcement but that's okay it's just you know if we can make baby steps with it I think it would be really really good yeah I think that's great so how can we help you so I think like I talk to Donna I don't know if we're if I am allowed to have a list of restaurants I mean I can go and Google everybody and look up their website and get an email and make a list but I can do either originally I was thinking going door to door but all the other towns who have done this they've emailed it they just you know they email out the survey and we can do through Google forms it's just at like really takes about maybe 20 seconds there's about like 10 questions they just check them off and then off they send it again so just what is the concern about sharing the list of restaurants I don't know I mean does it need to be an Oprah request I mean all the restaurants have business license mertile license so it should be when they have to renew their mertile license for 2025 they should be handed this survey could there that be aine they're actually get they're ready to go out yeah I just got hit with one of them two yeah they're ready to go out business licenses are ready so is this paper that's mailed to them yes okay yeah I Wasing neun is to see like I should bring up my email and show you it's so easy click something you go online they you pay online they email you your certificate I we kind we're getting there ocean table reducing paper is also something that this commission is interested so much to the manager I would love to do the purpose if we hand out a paper yeah and mailing and all that exctly yeah well it the yeah it tabulates the results it just does it you don't even have to do it it just does it it just gives you the results of who check off what and you know how many of each question so well we need to pull an over house to get the list of restaurants I'm happy to do that for you okay thank you so who do I who should I just you can make this really easy you can just add at the bottom of your email address the Dear Miss oats please if need be consider this email and oah request have to treat it as such yeah I don't know how it works listen I know now that's not me that's the cler's office where you for the open forms and then it trickles down to me I get the email and the copy of it saying you need to do all this by this date and then I pull everything and then send to you but the problem with that which I don't mind doing it not every establishment has an email address yeah yeah I could see that their managers that or district managers that manage several different locations they have an email address like when they apply for the food license send it to the licensing department or they have a whole separate company that handles all their certificates all their licensing it goes to to another place and then goes to the restroom they handle that right so I have absolutely no problem going through it but know that it's different for every restaurant right and there too I mean if say we got half of them or even a quarter of them I mean I'd be still happy to go to a quarter of them in person and or try to get emails from people or who do I talk to who's the manager who should get the survey what kind of a sponsor have other towns gotten do you know don't I mean other than ordinances were passed you know when I have meetings with the Beyond plastic people they get on the call they do a quick five minute update and they say yeah we just passed our ordinance and you know everybody agreed they were all happy to do it and that's about it so I don't really hear detail about uh about it so but like you said you put it in the window even if they don't abide by it like the younger generation well and eventually believe it or not it will be obsolete so I mean how many plastic bags do you get yeah right like everyone's like oh no one's going to follow that law yeah everyone follows that law so yeah yeah yeah so I mean if we could help you pass this ordinance just for every business to have it in our window let's do what we have to do yeah yeah so I'll send to Donna an email okay and then you'll let me know about um the emails yes okay and what about adding some of the questions that you wanted to just we'll skip it okay I would I would rather see this get done than delay it any longer than it needs to be um but just as long as we're still on it though the flyers for the windows are they including the specific Town ordinance or is there a generic one that if you if you go walk into a restaurant tomorrow like we love this idea we hate giving this stuff out do you have something that they could put up tomorrow is well I mean this flyer that Beyond plastic sends as a sample um yes I mean we could certainly just you know copy a bunch of these paper sorry but um and um yeah I mean this is generic this is not this has Beyond Plastics at the Bottom clean water action and New Jersey no plastic I guess we're sponsors okay so yeah I mean this could just be something that we copy a bunch and you know because there may be environmentally concerned citizens who will Who will patronize restaurants for that and not others yeah sure absolutely wait people actually go to restaurants and just don't order online yeah I just that's a good point what about the fact what about the fact might Fork well they're G just ask for a fork okay thank you or spk it's for right we're not giving it to you but you could ask for is that copyrighted and this what they want you to use so the point is a lot of restaurants do take out online everything together that's what I would like to see so you know as that like corporate level the big level the upper level so you know so many people are doing the deliveries now and have on those sites just a local piece of the restaurant just it becomes identifiable but it should be the responsibility of the person I think yeah I think this is great any anything we can do to help if if you run into any other bureaucratic hurdles please reach out to me I'm happy to call and do and make Donna's life some and then when we get the list we can like go through it you know cross off what you hit and what you know other people can hit you and we'll just get started with that you know thank you yeah and and like I said hopefully this will just take on a life of its own and restaurants will want to be doing it yeah just because it saves them money and I think it helps that a lot of our neighboring towns are already doing it so it's not going to be a total shop to people as they start to hear it's like oh yeah I heard some and so's doing that so thank you um it is not on the agenda and that is my fault um so if we want to cover tonight but Angelie did you want to talk about help see at all because I did talk to the town manager about that and he's very interested in it so yeah so um unfortunately I don't have my phone so I don't have the actual email with me but um but I did go on a helpsy tour which helsy is a textile recycling organization that's uh located on Industrial Way and they they have a very interesting operation where they have a sorting facility um gives you know living wage jobs to people where they sort through donated items they get things from thrift stores and then they get just get like recycled things as well and then they they send some of the um textiles out just straight for like becoming rags and installation things like that and then they have another online store where they sell things that are secondhand like name brand things that could be sold in an aftermarket Poshmark type of of places so um I happen to be there um when the I think the Morris County sewage Authority was doing their um education class and this tour was part of that so I sat through and um and I learned that I guess towns can have agreements with hpy to either have like um like a pickup happen like where um they're contracted with town would be contracted with helpy and individual citizens could just sign up for whenever they want you know textiles to be picked up up and sent to helpy um or the town could rent um um for I'm sorry hsy could rent a little area where for a bin and then basically we would have a partnership with helpsy where people could bring their scrap clothes or old clothes or something like that there so it's not going to charity or anything like that but the town would actually make money per pound um and then it it could actually be like a really it could be very lucrative because the town is getting rent it could be you know in the recycling area it could be in any sort of public area I guess um and we could also make potentially run um have have the agreement where they they do the pickups like kind of like after the Town garage sales or or seasonally or something like that so it might be a way to add money to I don't know if we have a budget but like add money to our budget or just the town's budget part of their recycling program Green Team or something like that so it could be potentially a win-win where we're making money and we're also getting things out of the landfill and so that we're using less of landfill too so um so um as a Next Step Nicole had sent me just their form of um agreement of kind of like their general terms and um and she we I had asked her if she could come and meet with the town manager or come to a meeting and she had asked for a virtual meeting so I didn't know that's what I want to ask you which one you would prefer um or if you wanted to do it like in a subcommittee or something like that because I don't know if she's going to come to an 8 o'clock meeting on a Thursday sure so I think I think the um there's definitely interest from the town for for doing this um so I think that maybe does everyone understand what we're saying just does anyone have any questions about this am I allowed to sure absolutely TR in I reached out to Nancy in recycling and she said that they already have a bin by the recycling center so they wouldn't do helpy you they wouldn't do helpy she because I suggested it too and she was just like oh we already have a clothing program to to take in clothing well that's that's the question I had was that do we already I didn't know if the town already had ongoing relationship with another that's what she said clothing um recycling vendor I think there a thing when you near the when you're leaving the uh recycling area this something my memory so bad I can't say but if that's the case maybe we could compare how much revenue we're getting you know what I mean like how much the rental fees are right like how much the town is making off of that versus what we would make hey or we do or we do the the pickup collection pickup collection yeah that's an entirely different service right is way better yeah and all all we would have to do is basically have the residents could just schedule it online schedule I they don't have an app but you just go online and you schedule your time you have a garage sale the next day you can have hey come and pick up here that's amazing you know so good to know like as a realtor to empty people's houses helpy so all right so here's my proposal to the commission I would propose that uh someone make a motion and we vote on recommending to the town to explore a contract with hpy and then have that be the impetus to have a meeting set up with helpy and the town manager so that they can explore it and we are just pushing it along and look for different options as to how it would work yeah I'll second it all right move by member let's second and by member godette all in thir yeah we can do an all in favor on this all in favor I opposed abstained all right awesome that'll be good I'm I'm excited about this one I read through material you sent over Angelie and it looks really good when you talk about pickup so it it could even work like the plastic film pickup that we have exactly and just put out the bucket and it's actually working but but it gets better because now that we have the plastic film pickup if we're able to do another pickup with helpsy it's laying the groundwork and again this is one of angelie's big goals is the the food waste pickup y but every time we start getting these going it makes it more simpler simpler for people to get to understand to do to to get that something going yeah exactly well listen uh the first year was free free and I think then that there was going to be um based on the the response and everything else there was going to be um some sort of how much investigation how can anyone be picking this stuff up and making money with the sure I don't know who knows what happens with most PL right I honestly I don't I mean there are companies like tcle that take it and they make random things with it I don't know yeah um yeah but I'm just pointing out I mean you get you get this huge pile of plastic and it squishes down to size of a shoe box they make decking right right they make decking but it's I mean you're you're you get down to the six and one half the other you're either going to pay for the plastic pickup or recycling or you're going to pay for it to go into your regular trash and end up in the landfill doesn't anything doesn't weigh um enough plastic weigh something yes it does plastic they want they don't want the plastic that weighs anything doesn't want let's let them figure out the money their I'm just on what listen again and and I don't know what the the economics of that one was that was something that the council did on their own so first do it I think it's good because less plastic out there but I don't see how it could be economically yeah viable for anyone to be picking this stuff up they could also be part of their like marketing good citizen budget that they might have like fie Johnson I think who's picking that's who's picking that's their demonstration project I don't know what specific company but yeah it's part of St Johnson wax company and they yeah they got they've got they lot money a lot they got a lot of stuff that they it's a huge tax rate off for them to send someone town to town pick up everyone's Class but then but then I would think that they would be making advertising pay which I'm not it's it's marketing tax right off I mean who they mark it to did you know who's picking it up I it becomes part of their ads it becomes part of their marketing program people on have you seen those adk I have not because I don't spend a lot of time pointing out is but but this is what business does it's good that it's happening and I think there's nothing wrong with giving them the credit and something so that they'll keep doing it but I do if if we are spending for it we should you know I'd like to know that too yeah because much we're spending I mean again it comes down to how much everything we're trying to do right costs money to make the town Greener because it's not the cheapest option right when we talk about any kind of energy uses it's not always the cheapest option right it's not the most convenient option so we have to decide what is worth investing in as a as a municipality and getting rid of plastics high on my personal list so and especially not if it's I mean for again I don't know the specifics of the economics on it but I do understand that the program I remembering correctly is relatively cheap compared to what we spend on other programs in so yeah pay me now or pay me a lot more later sure yeah um so okay so we'll we'll move along with helpsy and we'll we'll set up that meeting um there is Donna I am forgetting there's someone new in town hall who's working on some of these projects not Nicole what nope ah hold on give me a moment please one second I apologize I know I know so then you'll let me know if I need to contact Nicole from helpy yeah after after the appropriate Christie okay yes um yeah we we'll talk to Christie faet in town she's GNA be assisting on this what's this help SC I see isn't that an external thing yes but we're going to set up an in we're going to set up a meeting with them in town hall yeah what's her role what's her title what's her position you're going to make me work um excuse me I don't know what's your title Donna do you know secretary and manager secretary secretary no I mean who does she work for the manager she works for the citizens of Ocean Township sits outside Dave's office yes Christy I yes yeah okay see now I I can identify is it okay with you now nothing else I can identify where she is yeah you're going to sign off on on all that right that all depends long we have if you want me to sign off on you oh please retire me nor I'm all I'm all for it I was thinking this moving right along with our agenda I'm I'm glad that we're we're gonna do helpsy that is fantastic okay uh let's run through old business uh easy website there's nothing on it right now um storm water ordinance well it hasn't rained in 39 days in the state of New Jersey and it does not appear that it's going to be raining for many more days to come so uh rain the other day at my house yeah light sprinkle it was it was basically a spit a will space spit there has been no measurable rain in the state of New Jersey for 39 days and counting um but somehow we're not in the trout emergency yet we're still in a trout watch someone sent me a picture of the mask on Reser yeah it's very low it is very low it looked like a puddle well the only reason I know this I have downloaded and I recommend everyone else go out and download I downloaded the Warren D app on your phone so you can just file complaints because I was out on my run and I'm watching folks watering their lawns and I was all set to file a complaint but until the governor signs a drought state of eer Mercy it is not illegal to do so it is just highly discouraged and I it's November like I understand it is warm outside but there's a drought and it's November and you're Watering your lawn I do not sure that but that makes sense but Lawns don't need to be watered you're around they they can hibernate they can die they can look Brown it's not the end of the world oh no have a question about that so can the town say that we're gonna that we're going to require you to not use your sprinkers or that has to come from the state there's there's different I think the town can say so but it has to be by ordinance and I don't know the specifics of that the water company can also issue their own restrictions on it as well um getting actually fined by the water company is very rare not impossible but occasionally um they will do that but the for D to get involved it has to be the drought state of emergency so even worse the loan that was getting watered was Astra tur yeah well go think the ring Ro around see if you square and see how much of the asphalt there watering every yeah anyways I I I have lots of thoughts on this um but it's right up there with the shopping cart Theory right if you don't return the shopping cart if you're Watering your lawn during a drought in November um only charge your qu for a shopping C I got five at home but I want to at least water it every other day most like when your Law's established you only need to water it like three four times a week but it's November don't have to all all year actually well actually I don't I don't either ever yeah all right anyways let's move along um storm water ordinance we don't have anything at the moment that has kind of just Fallen by the wayside since there were some updates to the state ordinance I think we need to sit back down um I don't know Jack have there been any updates to the sustainable Jersey model ordinance with the changes to Green infrastructure laws honestly I haven't looked in the last couple okay so we'll we'll figure that out that's a feels like a good Springtime project um but I see we have Mary on our it's not a zoom on our go-to meeting Mary are you there I just she just had the camera on a minute ago she's on mute she's on mute I think they're talking to you no no was Mary S I was on mute but I've been here the whole meeting yeahor all right Mary so what do we got for Brookside anything not that I know of I have to tell you that I been involved in a lot of family issues and then I got pneumonia so I just haven't really done anything in the last couple of months I'm sorry that's that's totally fine we understand feel better and uh hopefully we'll we'll get an update when you're able to give one can you still hear me yes oh the last thing I got um this is very discouraging because it probably means another getting back to discussions with the town but originally the town agreed that they would pay and dredge that pond which came up as an issue before we could move ahead with the gardens we had to clean up the pond so um my neighbor Eric took over contacting with the town the engineer who's in charge and the L was that the engineer said that they've been looking for funding to um from outside sources to pay for dredging the pond and they haven't been able to find that any so I I will talk to Eric but I think when I'm feeling up to it again I'm going to have to get in touch with the engineer and we may be back to square one again with getting that pond dredged and there we cannot start working on the gardens until that happens huh okay that's my that's all I can tell you right now excuse me okay well let us know and uh I know that Kelly Terry is our liaison she's not here um this evening but I would start including her on some of those Communications Mary when you're feeling better don't push yourself okay if anyone would be willing to send me her email um Donna's on it but I have to say that there's so much I need to take care of that it's probably going to be after the holidays in the new year before I can even start working on this that's fine okay okay thank you for your patience bye feel better Mary I can't get myself off here now so the next item on our agenda is our community energy plan uh it has been a couple months so I have an update and I have a request the update we got our community energy plan Grant we got the money the consultant's been hired they've been having meetings at 10:00 a.m. on Wednesdays meetings with with the consultant and the folks in town hall um they hired Blue Sky if you remember Blue Sky came and and did the presentations so blue sky is the consultant they're working through that and I am really good about being able to move my lunch a little early or move my launch a little late or find other ways but 10:00 a.m. on Wednesdays is not working for me so I have not been able to attend those meetings but they are the time and place that seem to work for everybody else so I might be able to do those more more than you most likely okay because that that's what I need someone to to sit in and take notes and figure out what's going on because I cannot be there and if you make it okay so Jack they're virtual they they're on Zoom so you can take them for wherever share the data yeah yeah I I will put you guys in touch yeah it's every it's It's weekly they meeting right now so we should both be on it and then when one of us right yeah I I'll talk to Dave and and guess you folks sloped in so the the other one is the recycling contest um this one's also kind of fall by the wayside that I really want to get back on I really want to do this especially with all of our conversations about recycling um and I know that Miss edson's class over at the intermediate school has a lot of projects going on so I think that our December meeting I would like to dedicate exclusively to covering the recycling contest and finalizing it so that we can send it out to the schools in the new year year and hopefully by the time they're done so we'll we'll give them five months to May so before the end of the school year we can announce some winners does that timeline make sense for everyone are we all going to be around at our December meeting what are we going to do in our December meeting what's actually G to happen we are going to hammer out the parameters of the recycling contest we are going to figure out what the price are going to be we are going to figure out what the inclusion is going to be the rubric for how we pick the best recycling content and whether we want it to be posters video multiple categories how we want to do all of it um we've had some conversations about this in the past we have some stuff in our minutes from few months ago um that we can send around again to get us all back up to speed but I I want to get it into to a place where we can get it out no but Angeline have a question so do we have um written down somewhere what our town actually recycles like for real uh yes it's in the calendar but is it like somewhere else yeah so it is and this is this is why we want to do this right we have everything written out in the actual contract with the recycling yeah with MAA now that is not what MAA will tell you that we can recycle MAA will take more that's in the contract but we will be using the language in the contract so is that something that you can share with us or that you could bring to the next yeah if you talk to as they'll take almost any kind of yeah yeah but this is the this is throwing in my this is the argument my mother had in tinon Falls she was trying to get the plastic bottle caps recycled and Mao was saying yes you can take them and the town was saying we can't take them and it's because it wasn't in the contract so the town was legally not able to say yeah we can take the Cs but Ma was like we don't care what you put in the if you put in the bucket we're going to take it yeah yeah so uh but we have to make sure and the reason for that only say oh we can only take number one it four next right but but the reason for that is actually they're not trying to be pains but the issue is that they cannot assume that they will always be using Maza for the contract so they told me that three years ago yeah right and the county shut down their whole process where they were going to build something like this that's how I found out that that was done I was talking to the county and they said well we've got this thing we're going to do this we're going to be doing a thing you can't you know blah blah blah blah blah and I called one day and said oh we can't we canel that whole Project M yeah so if the county is not even where are we going to go we going to ship our stuff to North Jersey is someone else competing with Maza within 50 miles I mean New Jersey is known for its Waste Management Empires yeah first of all it's Ming for its waste the other issue about the contract is some of the markets can disappear during the contract period so they put in the contract the things that are likely not to disappear right right exactly yeah so the town doesn't want to be think about possibly you take everything when ma says you can't take anymore we tell them these are the things ma won't take anymore but that's think which is why we need a food waste program as well we're not talking about your diet what diet have you seen me you're in the seafood diet exactly yes exactly um all right let's so December we will talk about this let's move on Norm pending plans not that much has been happening lately although I haven't done the last the last reviews I've done mostly seem to be subdivisions of lots and so and then uh big thing that I haven't even done a review of IT first French speaking Baptist Church Avenue they're doing a whole thing and they came with new plans you know a while ago I'm not sure when they be heard well now that now my understanding is they're not coming to the planning board anymore now they're going to the zoning board yeah that's that's what I understand I actually don't know what happened with the Billboards on this the Billboards or whatever the zoning board says the bill board say the other day they're headed for federal court there's no because we won't pass it or even if we it doesn't matter yeah if we say no I mean when the when the lawyer started the conversation with after all it's First Amendment rights first of all the First Amendment right digital right to put a put a billboard in okay it doesn't mean the billboard should be the tallest thing in the nor nor they will put it in it'll get refused it'll go to court they'll settle for something that's smaller probably the largest complaint on a billboard is the light spilled and they have engineered that out to the point where 30 degrees off center you can't even see the damn thing so there's no SP but a municipality can regulate science time plac man the tallest telephone calls we have on on the tallest telephone Poes that we have have at the very top over P the Ron the high tension lines that they have look like a tree there okay these things the tops of these things go into that tree no it's not an argument or they're too high the a badly written ordinance really which is ancient to limit the total number in the town right it it's not it wasn't well written and compared to what the lawyers are playing with right now as opposed to what they were 20 years ago so it will end up in court and the see and from just looking at the people showing up at the meetings there's a lot of money back up behind this a lot of money M well electronic billboard each advertisement fills in, 1500 to 3,000 a month depending on the advertis and they what 6 seconds but the land it sits on isn't even owned by The Entity the one so find out who owns that right they just pay it's I don't know I would see who own that just like Auto Body Shop you should see who owns it no but what I'm saying is the auto body there's an auto body shop there's a gasoline station and is where is it a dentist now the third one is on on the southwest corner where the Burger King was yeah okay okay that one is the worst one that one really Towers over everything building saying so they're like be they're humongous they're humongous you know the you know you know where the body shop is yeah just the next lot north of the body shop is some building that that used to be the boorder company but they they did it nicer and everything the billboard is the size of the front of that building it's huge they as wide and high as the front of that building taller than ordinance they're bit they're more square footage than ordinance technically the ordinance doesn't allow another one yeah you don't want so all of those bits and pieces there's a loophole well the loophole is federal court and and what can be done and what can be argued sure well you know my fun fact about about Billboards is that there is not a single billboard in the entire state of Vermont not one there about five states with no Billo yeah why doesn't have any in my thing I think I identified the states that didn't have any all right well anyways in the interest of time anything else okay all right so planning zoning board update I don't have an update from the zoning board but uh any of my other apping board members want to update um no planning um shade planning committee can I sure me and Angelie are on that um I guess we also met with Mrs Edson and we're doing like a student collaboration um more focused on can yeah and trying to get like their data the students data and then our data together will be used to obtain so it's pretty cool that it's a big collaboration with students very cool yeah yeah the only thing on the planning board was we uh the medical building at the corner of Sunset and Logan um they wanted a second exit that the residents were opposed to and unfortunately traffic what they were asking for the issues around it are not within the planning boards you something has to happen around applebe and Logan and that whole traffic pattern I I say it all the time I drive up Logan every evening I cannot I don't drive a large car I cannot keep my car on the right side of the double solid yellow lines because of all the cars that are parked there so it it is creating a real traffic hazard there's still this speeding on applebe with the cut through so I don't know what the solutions are there but I I keep needling the town that they really need to look at that that whole neighborhood that whole neighborhood right the the concerns that the neighbors had weren't invalid they were absolutely valid it's just not something that at least the paring gates are down yes yes they are yes but yet um a month or so ago I came out one morning and fors parked all the way from 35 to Sunset because there was a [Music] funeral yeah so but one thing and while we're talking about that neighborhood something for us to think about because the the neighborhood fought it and and we agreed with them that development on Dorset that's in the back we made a mistake we should have allowed it could have been a limited access but another access one should have been allowed for that it could have been one of the ones like the end of popular where the fire department or the first a squad has the key to the gate but because you've got what 10 or 15 houses in there and one little lane road in and one little road out it's not a real safe scenario well I guess you could drive across Colonial terrorist just break down what is that the seventh yeah I it's go in like Wetlands though right you could you could have come out to you could have come out to one of the streets they go dead end yeah could have been done and it's not something it's just something to think about the next time we start running into could it still be done probably not now you have to eliminated a house would it you have to put in have to eliminate a house right and and but it's something to think about looking at plans in that kind of a scenario you would think that when the Fire Marshall reviews the plans they would they would point that well apparently to him it was they they made the streets big enough so I can run a fir truck down but now the fire trucks are figured so now I do think that's the weirdest of the vision you drive through the English manner to get there yeah but they don't but no because that's the town's land that is the town parking lot really the only that the you know that weird square off to the side yeah that is the English maners parking lot all the other parking lots around that triangular piece that's a town lot and that that that's a Town Road that's been there for ever yeah justs yeah so oh I got it okay I know it's never clear is the Gazo the town or do they own it's not a paper street it's it's a legit it's a legit Street there's a at the end of that there a house has been there for 50 years yeah yeah yeah so anyways actually probably that probably my house been years anyhow all right oh yeah so lollipop on while we're I wanted to hear Jack's a green team update but while we're on it there's a clean up D Cleanup this is weekend um the lollipop Pond folks are meeting away n 10 nine nine lollipop Pond if anyone's around um meeting at the firehouse to go clean up lollipop Pond is part of the DU late cleanups this weekend um the money came through for the I call it a weir the dam whatever you want to call it the Bu The Bridge um thank you to assembly woman Doan for that um and so that's gonna be I don't know what the timeline on getting that completed is but also dredging is on the docket there as well um it's not I think fireman's Pond is the top of the list for dredging I've actually seen the plans they're going to build a a temporary Road into the pond to dredge it out um but there we borrow them for for a day to do Brookside I that is that is a question for the town engineer um uh this the one in by Wana Masa school around the corner oh my yeah it's on wo and yeah yeah um so yeah they're gonna they're going to close off the the street in the end of rier and they're going to build the road right down into it I'm excited I want to go check it out yeah um uh all right so sustainable Jersey what's up um not much okay good report good report very watch coming out of those ponds yeah well they've done some sampling and that is there's I'm forgetting the details but if memory serves they're going to use the spoils to replace the burm around the mulch Pile in joea park yeah I wasn't thinking of that side of fence I remember seeing a hockey goal sitting on lyb yeah it disappear I mean you could be could be some real odd things coming out of there probably um but no they're they're going to replace the BM they're going to use some of it for the BM around the the mulch in po Park um and do we have any comments from the members of the public who are still here hanging out hi hi hi my name is Carol do sorry I interruped you earlier no I'm from the Ocean Township Garden Club in FAL library and I've been working with the Garden Club and some Master Gardeners as well as some other volunteers in town to restore the Gardens at the library um I have an eagle scout candidate who's trying to get benches and a park bench you know a park bench and a picnic bench for the library area for the public because there's one kind of bench there and um we're trying to make it like a park- like uh area while we're working through this so I don't know how to get the the um the funding that we have is all from the Garden Club and other you know small volunteer donations that we got we don't have any grants or anything like that is there any funding in the town that the candidate the eagle candidate could request part of his Eagles job project though is to make that funding happen right that well it could I mean that's that is true that's part of the whole deal cont solic Contrition come to come to us he come to town and come he put Co funding sign up there's also like the sneaker recycling like he could do it through his troop maybe like that got sneakers like we're going to launch that with our troop our my son a voice as well which 76 so but but there's um an organization called got sneakers and you can actually like he could collect sneaker do a collection and then you get money per pair so that's like something it's slow but I mean it's something you know um um but you're looking for specific grants well well not necessarily a grant but what I was looking for since the library is built on Town property and it's a municipal building that I wouldn't want you know a donation to be made and he goes by like a plastic thing that's not meant to meet the qualifications of a public site like that when the Public's going to be there and it's safe of course I'm monitoring you know we're going to you know he's starting out but he's a little late on his update on his project did you contact trxx because txx they the schools they they did the TRX recycling the the plastic and they were they were they put them in Wayside School and in the township of ocean schools okay so if they're good enough for that I don't know if the town has to come in and St that well the Benes the town is been putting in ch Parker may not be TR but it's a composite yeah that's what I mean but but that might be something yeah sorry no that I have looked into the TR program with it so at that but they come directly like you know I mean if you like can you just directly this is for style project um okay so the answer then is there is no kind of fund or anything that's meant for you know public place to improve the environment make it easier for people that you know walk through the park there's some people I see there I'm almost there every day so I see people same people walking there like you know routes and you can have a conversation with the rec department yeah W yeah like yeah just go a little further back yeah no they're in the building in back oh okay yeah thank they have a budg for like all right well thank you for the information have a hand up yeah do we have someone from the public Who's online with their hand up hi yes my name is marann illis a wamasu resident um you were speaking earlier about uh Logan Road and the billboard that's proposed for Sunset Avenue on Route 35 and I did go to the first meeting where they were denied the permit for or the ordinance or the um application was denied in order to get the the billboard um by the auto body shop um I'm very concerned about the walkability of that whole intersection of Route 35 um I think there's probably many car accidents there and I see people trying to navigate if if you look at the signage there it's it's a terrible area to try to walk through you're walking past driveways you have to walk on the rightand side of the road to get to the highway and then cross over to the left and then to the right then across the highway so as to avoid turning traffic onto Northbound 35 and then there's no way to get over to the Wegman's and Staples area there's it's a very unusual situation and I wonder if there's it is something we talk about I was just talking to some of our council members about this the other day that it is incredibly dangerous because everything you just said is true to cross you're Crossing on the south side of Sunset and you're Crossing to the CVS where then the sidewalk just ends well yeah and then the the road if you travel Eastbound coming down the road go through the light and the roads don't align on the other side of on the south on the east side of 35 there you're you're missing half a lane so what I can say is there are no Solutions on the table right now however the part of the whole Wayside to the beach for lack of a better term bike plan that's been implemented they've been they've been working on this issue and they're trying to find ways to do it they're they just I think they just reopened the bike accessibility on roller road so now you can take roller road all the way down through and get into the industrial park to get to Sunset to go to the beach and this how do you get because rer goes into the industrial park that's what I'm saying it doesn't for bike access you can't drive there now but you can ride your bike there can't get through the fence with a bike that is my understanding I have not personally tried it but I hear that it is now accessible to bikes but you run into the problem of okay well I've now gotten down to Sunset now now I've got to get across something Gallery so one of the things that was in the master plan um that we just redid was a call to redo the bike and pedestrian plan and to have an engineered study the bike and pedestrian plan that we have is about 10 years old we've been making some gains on it um you know we've been working more diligently to fill in sidewalk gaps to put in bike Lanes in town and they've been received really well but that intersection that Crossing in particular is a real issue so um I think that the the when that plan gets done um one there's going to have to be Community input so please come whenever that happens and I don't know when that's going to be So eventually please come and raise that but two I think that's the only way that it's really getting it done is when the town sits down and really tries to figure out the engineering of it because and where where will that be proposed will it be at your meetings or the planning board meetings it'll the last time the last time was done before my time here but my understanding was the separate committee was formed to do it that was um created uh I think some of the people who are staring somewhat blankly at me in this room were on it um uh I think it was pre well the other thing that I want to mention is now they want to uh 45 foot uh digital billboard there which is another distraction um and I'm thoroughly um opposed to that as well and I'll be going to the planning board meeting if I can find out when they propos to have that meeting board it's a zoning board yeah yeah um you had said that earlier they went from the planning board and they got denied and now they has to go no no no no no that was always a zoning Bo yeah because they needed a use variants because technically the use is now disallowed um yeah so they're going to the zoning boy and I just tried to find the old uh bike and pedestrian plan on our website and I think it got lost in the shuffle for the updates no that's almost um okay do we have anything else from the public or from anyone else on the commission all right then I have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn made by member let seconded by member Colton all in favor I great