##VIDEO ID:TP9VfDO27PI## Planning and zoning commission, local planning agency of September 10th, 2024. We'll do the invocation of the pledge. Everybody stand. Dear Lord, heavenly Father, thank you for this day, Lord God, thank you for everything you do first. Lord, please, we ask today that you, uh, uh, please bless our citizens, bless our first responders, and, uh, bless our city staff. Lord, uh, thank you for everything you do for us. In Jesus we pray. Amen. Amen. I applaud allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roco Chair Longneck. Here, vice chair forges is absent. Member Keller. Here. Member Sheol. Here. Member Galvin Here. And Member Butler. Here you have a quorum. Thank You. Alright, I need a motion for the, uh, planning zoning commission meeting minutes for August 13th, 2024. I will so move that We Second. Second. Alright, we have a motion to approve by member Keller. Second, to approve by member Shaone, let's just go ahead and vote. Hit your buttons on the wall there. Passes. Alright. No old business, new business. We have shops of Bluff, FKA, Ocoee Trail Village, comprehensive Plan, amendment and rezoning. This is project number CPA 2 0 2 4 0 0 3. And RZ 2 4 0 3 0 2 5. Zoning manager, Whitfield. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Good evening everyone. Good evening. Good Evening shops on the bluff. Small scale cap comp plan, amendment and rezoning is A PUD. Um, the small scale comp plan amendment will convert the property from low density residential to commercial. And the rezoning is to go from R one A to, I'm sorry, R one AA to a PUD plan Unit development. The property is located on the north side of, of Clark Co Road. It's about 400 feet or so from the intersection of Clark and Clark Road. It's about four, um, and a third acre in size. It's a vacant wooded parcels, two parcels total, and it does have Type A soils. This is an A of the property. This is the surrounding future land use map. And then the surrounding zoning. Um, it's a little hard to read here, but there's a lot of information. Uh, but basically what the applicant is wanting to do and their land use plan is to have a commercial complex, a commercial plaza consisting of two buildings. The building on the right side of the screen, uh, will, both buildings will have retail and restaurants, um, but the building on the right side will have a sit down restaurant and, and exterior dining courtyard type area. Um, and then this building is also just retail restaurant Plaza. This, this slide shows the landscape plan. So recognizing that, um, the West Orange Trail, it borders it on the northwest side. Uh, the applicant worked with staff as far as, um, putting in additional buffering and landscaping, whatnot in order to preserve the West Orange Trail. But one of the criteria design criteria for our design considerations for the West Orange Trail is an integration and activation of the trail. So in that respect, they are proposing a, an open to the public picnic pavilion area here. Um, they would construct a sidewalk up to just their property line as the rest of the way would be Orange County. Um, from a design perspective for the land use plan, um, there are no, um, variances that are needed. For example, parking meets the code, um, solid waste meets code circulation. Um, they have located this driveway as a full access driveway as far east as the, um, as possible in coordination with Orange County. And they've also provided, um, a stabilized surface for emergency services ingress egress on this side so that there's two points of ingress egress for emergency services. So in terms of the land use plan itself, um, the proposed uses that the applicant wants are C two zoning district types uses, including a list of included uses and a list of not included uses. Um, and speaking with the, the applicant earlier today, following a meeting, they are going to also, and I'm taking this from Chris now, but we discussed this earlier, they're also including, um, adding tattoo establishments to the not included list. So that's something that came up at a community meeting. Um, the proposed size of the two buildings combined is 23,000 and change building one, which is the one for the southwest is 16,700. Building two is 6,800 square feet. The maximum imperious, uh, I'm sorry, the maximum floor area ratio, which, um, for the audience, the comprehensive plan commercial future line use category is what designates the amount of development that can happen on a property. And that's based on what's called floor area ratio. So for every one acre, if the floor area ratio is a 1.0, one acre is 43,560 square feet. So at a 1.0 floor area, the maximum size building is 43,560 square feet. If it's three, um, it's, you multiply the 43 times three and then you multiply that number times to acreage. So based on that, um, math calculation, the property could have, based on the future land use category 560,000 plus square feet of commercial, what the applicant's wanting to do that 23,000 square feet comes out to 0.12 floor area ratio. So it's well below the maximum. So they're consistent with the comprehensive plan in that regard. Um, their proposed ISA is 54%, uh, ISA means impervious surface area. So essentially anything that's not natural grass or plant material is, um, 54% C two and all the other, um, commercial and industrial zoning districts in the city. It has a maximum ISA of 70%. So they're proposing 54% because of the Type A soils on the property. Our, um, comprehensive plan requires a 35% open space allocation set aside to protect our open space and drainage in the area for the Workiva basin. And they're proposing 36%, just a little bit over 36%. As I mentioned, the parking ratio, they are using the existing codes requirements as far as the number of, um, parking spaces based on fixed seats and patron usage area, as well as the retail use, which is one space per 200, um, square feet. So that is consistent with the code. The, um, minimum building setback, um, they're proposing 50 feet because they're, the parking is in front, so they're meeting the building setbacks and the, um, landscape buffer requirements as well. And as I mentioned, outside of those areas where, um, part of this parking circulation and the dumpster and pond area, everything else, they're exceeding the, uh, minimum open space or minimum buffer along the West Orange trail. So, um, another aspect of the code is building perimeter landscaping. So the code currently requires 10 feet of building perimeter landscaping along those sides of the building that faces the street or areas of public parking. So for this site, it would be the, the, uh, I guess south side, because that's the street side. And that's also where, uh, the majority of the parking is located. They are seeking a waiver as part of their, uh, rezoning to reduce that 10 foot so that they can, they can create, they'll have landscaping and landscape boxes and tree grs and things like that, but it's to create a space for a wider pedestrian, um, movement area so that people can walk from, you know, from maybe from restaurant to restaurant or from retailer to retailer like that along, um, plant Street on Winter Garden. So, um, right here, if you can see my cursor, this is a location where this restaurant use, um, might also have some outdoor seating. So one of the requirements from the DRC is to make sure that there's no impeding, um, of pedestrian and a DA access. So there's restrictions in the land use plan as far as fencing along this area. So the waiver that they're asking for is to that section that requires a 10 foot perimeter landscaping. Um, of that 10 foot landscaping, the code allows five of it to be sidewalk. So instead of using, um, all of it or even have it for landscaping, it's just all of it will be pedestrian friendly with, um, tree grates and tree uh, planter boxes to help with the aesthetics, um, and the elevation of the building. So in terms of the staff's analysis for the comprehensive plan and the rezoning, we did look at the West Orange Trail, um, trail site development design and policy guidelines with respect to requirements for buffering screening and protecting the trail. And then promotion of trail integration and activation that I mentioned earlier. Um, the, the requested comp plan amendment is consistent with the comp plan. There is a provision in our current adopted comp plan that anticipated commercial development at this intersection, and that is coming from the 2002 adopted comp plan. Um, access will remain on via on Clark Co Road, um, as I mentioned, is coordinated with Orange County. In terms of traffic and transportation, uh, we had the applicant do two capacity analyses for traffic. The first one was based on, um, the maximum development potential of that 560,000 square feet, um, given the surrounding network. Um, and they actually use a higher trip generation rate than what our traffic engineer had would've evaluated against. There would not be any adverse impacts. And so I, lemme clarify, instead of it being on the 560,000 square feet, the full acreage I, um, discussed internally and we agreed that they could do the maximum at 3.0 FAR, but not at the full, um, acreage, but 30% less because they have to set aside 35% open space anyway. So it would be unfair and unrealistic to ask them to evaluate a hundred percent of the acreage when the policy requires 35% to be set aside. So they did the maximum development potential based on the acreage remaining, which is 70% of the site. So that traffic analysis showed that there are no failing segments. Um, they also did a traffic analysis based on just their development program of 23,000 square feet, and that also showed no, um, of course it showed no, um, failures. Um, in terms of utilities, it is outside of the city's water and sewer service area. Um, our utilities department has indicated that the site is not close enough to our reclaim lines to require connection. Um, if they, they would have to provide, um, irrigation through portable water, things like that. Storm water will be designed and evaluated at time of site plan review. And in terms of environmental, as I mentioned, they're required to set aside 35%. They're providing 36.8%. DRCs considered this item on July 30 30th. Um, and they had recommended at that time, um, approval subject to a few clarifications. Um, our current C two zoning classification allows certain uses that, um, are only allowed through a special exception, one of those being recreation. So they added into their land use plan. That neighborhood recreation would require special exception. So for example, if someone wanted to utilize all of the tenant suites in one of the buildings for a recreational facility, they couldn't go forward into site plan. They would have to come back through hearing for a special exception, and it'll be back before this body and the city commission. Um, we had also asked them to include bike parking in front of both buildings. Um, there in the language plan, there's a little rectangle representing a monument sign. We just made sure that it, that sign location meets the sign code and then, um, add asking them to add the landscape waiver to the land use plan to be considered as part of this hearing. So since that July meeting with the DRC, they have made all those corrections to their land use plan, which is the one that is being shown tonight. So with that staff is recommending that the planning zoning commission acting as the local planning agency recommend approval for the ordinances for the small scale comp plan amendment and the rezoning for the shops on the Bluff project. And Chris Thompson with the applicant team is here. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions for staff? Or if not, we'll open up to the public, we'll write the applicant wanna come up? Sure. Come on. Let's see. Good evening Commission. Just wanted to, um, kind of add to some of the, um, things that, uh, planning manager Whitfield had just mentioned. Um, when this was advertised for this meeting, um, there were some, there was some outreach by the community to planning staff, um, interested and or concerned about the potential development going on here. We did, um, advertise and hold a community meeting last Tuesday. Um, it was this, uh, item might, it was at one point intended to maybe be on the August agenda. So there was ample time to give notice, you know, two weeks notice, hold the meeting. Um, there were a few members for in total of the community that came out. Um, we, we sat and spoke with them for a little over an hour here at the, uh, it was the West Oaks Branch Library. Um, and I would say the discussion was mostly positive. I don't see anyone here, um, that was in attendance in that meeting. Um, one of the things that did come from that was concerns about a tattoo parlor or establishment. And we're happy to go ahead and explicitly exclude that. That was never intended. Um, this development is intended to be a amenity for the community. It's supposed to be a neighborhood, you know, retail center, convenient uses that are supposed to, um, you know, be a benefit to the, the surrounding residential uses. So that, that's the intents are, you know, um, a coffee shop, maybe a, a neighborhood retail center, something along those lines. So we were, um, we, we are happy to, you know, one of the things we had talked to some people were concerned about, um, the FAR that manager Whitfield had talked about. We're happy to, um, cap the FAR, you know, right now, as she had mentioned, we have 0.1, two three, I think is the FAR. We're allowed three, we're happy to cap it well below that so that, uh, in the future, you know, the surrounding residents can be, um, I guess assured that even in the, you know, if, if this property were to change hands, that there is a cap on what could be developed there in the future. So, and with that, I would just open up to any questions that the commission, Anybody have any que Thank you. Anybody have any questions for the applicant? I think my only thing, part of the, uh, the, the go no go right. Besides the tattoo would be smoke shops as well. I, I think they have absolutely no issue. Um, excluding that we took the uses on the included, not included, um, was from I think the C two and the code. I think some of that is just not explicitly stated. I don't that would be any issue. That would be my recommendation to the council. That would be explicitly stated. But, uh, okay. Cool. If, uh, nobody, we'll, uh, we'll open up the public. Did anybody else wanna speak on this matter? If not, we'll close the public. Bring it back up to the dice. Thank you. Alright. Uh, nobody has any questions. I will, uh, take a motion. I'm assuming we need two motions tonight. Two. All right. Uh, so the first one, uh, for the, uh, for the amendment, um, would be CPA 2 0 2 4 0 0 3, make a motion that we approve, uh, staff's recommendation With, With the, um, With the two, um, restricted Uses From Restricted uses. Yeah. And the no list of, uh, smoke shops. Yes. Yeah. With, with the two uses being no tattoo shop and no smoke Shop. Smoke shop. Yep. Perfect. Thank you. Do I have a second? I have a second. Thank you. I have a, I have a motion for recommendation of approval by Member Keller with exceptions. And a, uh, second by member Gavin. Uh, if nobody else has any other questions, let's vote. I passes this. Thank you very much. We're excited for restaurants. Mr. Chair, you need to do the Results? Yeah, we're gonna do the second one. Thank you very much. You're welcome. I need a motion for the second one. I will, I'll make a motion that we approve, uh, RZ 24 0 3 0 5 for the rezoning of, uh, this item. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you. We have a, uh, a motion for recommendation of approval by Member Keller and a second by member Galvin. I say it right that time. Yes, sir. If there's no other questions, let's go ahead and vote. All right. Good to go. Thank you very much. Alright. Our next order of business is, uh, item number two. Thank you. Item number two, hometown suite special exemption. Project number 5 2 4 SE 0 3 2. This is a currency and commitment, coordin currency and Commitment coordinator, McFarland, who is new to, new to us here at this board. Can you introduce yourself first? Yes, of course. Um, my name is Brett McFarland. I'm the city's concurrency and commitment coordinator. Um, I've been with the planning department for close to a year now, and, um, I'm excited to bring this item before you guys. Very nice to meet you. Alrighty. Members of the board, members of the public, we are bringing before you guys an issue. Uh, it's a request for special exception approval for hotel use, uh, for certain property identified as parcel id. Zero six dash 22 dash 28 dash 0 0 0 0 dash zero zero dash 0 0 8, uh, with a zoning of, um, PUD commercial with specified C two uses in the PUDs land use plan. Bit of background about the property. It is primarily located on the, uh, south side of West Road, approximately 775 feet from the intersection of, uh, west Road and Ocoee Papaka Road. The subject parcel is, um, approximately 3.71 acres in size and is a part of the Lady Bird Academy, PUD, um, with Lady Bird Academy being to, uh, the west. Um, there is a existing, uh, commercial future land use for the property. Um, it is currently vacant with a shared stormwater pond and shared access, uh, with Lady Bird Academy to the, um, to West Road. Uh, as you can see, this is an aerial, the property showing the shared access as well as the, uh, stormwater pond. Um, this shows the surrounding future land use map. As you can see, the primary future, um, land use for the parcels adjacent, um, are primarily commercial. Um, just as a note, the parcel to the direct south of the subject parcel is a part of the West Oaks, um, west Orange Trail, excuse me. And the parcel directly to the south of the trail is shown on here as, um, with the future land use of low density residential. However, this parcel is owned by the central Florida Highway Express Authority and for a variety of reasons, has very little chance of being developed as low density residential. This is the existing surrounding zoning map, um, showing the existing zoning. As you can see, it's primarily, uh, commercial with, um, the shopping center anchored by Publix, uh, to the north, um, past West Road, um, and with the trail to the South, uh, as well as a vacant, um, parcel to the, uh, to the east, uh, zone C two and Lady Bird Academy to the, to the west. In looking at a special exception, the reason this is, uh, being brought before you tonight is according to table five dash one, um, of the Land Development Code, uh, going over the permitted use regulations, a zoning of C two and a use for a hotel in any property zone C two is required bef, um, to come before you for a special exception. Um, this is the table showing that, Um, in reviewing a special exception staff looks at three specific criteria. Uh, the first being whether the proposed use or structure, uh, would violate any of the directives of the comprehensive plan, uh, relating to land uses densities or other directives, as well as the land development code. The second criteria that we, that staff looks at is whether the, um, proposed use or structure is compatible with the surrounding zoning, um, or, uh, adjacent or nearby lands. Um, the third criteria that staff looks at is whether the proposed use or structure is, um, going to violate the health, safety, welfare, and or convenience of those residing working or owning land in the vicinity of, um, of the proposed, uh, use or structure. Um, there are specific, um, uh, conditions that we look at, such as density, bulk, overcrowding of land or buildings, um, the flow of vehicular traffic or pedestrian movement, um, fire safety, odor, noise glare, um, and anything that would impair the other property owners that are adjacent to the land, um, the legal use use of their property. Um, this is the site plan that was submitted with the special exception. As you can see, it's a, uh, four story, 124 room hotel with an interior corridor. Um, as you can see on the site plan, it does share the exist, uh, the existing storm water pond, um, as well as the shared access driveway. Uh, the applicant is proposing a 30 foot rear landscape buffer adjacent to the, uh, west Orange Trail. Um, in looking at, uh, the special exceptions, staff had a few comments regarding the rear landscape buffer, um, wanting to ensure that the buffer, um, was sufficient enough to, uh, shield the trail from the, from the parcel or, or from from development. Um, that's something that is going to be looked at further at time of site plan. Um, and has the applicant has been made aware of this. Um, going on, this is a, uh, architectural elevation plan showing the proposed height, which is, uh, currently 43 and a half feet. Uh, the maximum allowed per our code is 45. And here are some elevations showing the exterior of the hotel from the north, south, east, and west. Here's a view, uh, from the rear and the front of the hotel. And these are some examples of, um, some conceptual plans for the different rooms that, um, are offered or will be offered, Um, As well as the lobby, some conceptual plans of the rooms. Um, This was a plan provided to us of the, um, the floor plan for the first floor and second floor. Um, in reviewing this special exception, staff found that the proposed uses and structures would not violate the land, uses densities or other directives of the adopted comp plan and land development code. Um, however, staff did identify 0.81 acres of potentially impacted wetlands. Um, the applicant will be submitting a wetlands impact analysis with the, um, or at site plan. Uh, this will be further handled at site plan. Uh, the second condition that we, that we look at is the proposed uses and structures, um, being compatible with the uses and structures of, um, adjacent lands and staff found that the proposed use and structure of a hotel would be compatible with the uses and structures and activities on adjacent land. And then finally, the third point that we look at is, um, regarding, um, the things IPE previously discussed and staff found that the proposed use and structure complies with sections four dash eight B three A through G of the land development code. Um, Um, with that in mind, staff is recommending, or excuse me, the DRC did meet and consider this item, uh, at our July 30th meeting. Um, and the DRC did recommend approval subject to the condition that the rear l uh, landscape buffer, um, and potential wetland issue on the property be further evaluated at the time of site plan review. Um, with that in mind, staff is recommending that the planning and zoning commission make a recommendation of approval for a special exception for the use of certain property zone C two assigned parcel ID number zero six dash 22 dash 28 dash 0 0 0 0 dash zero zero dash 0 0 8 for a hotel use subject to the condition that the rear landscape buffer and potential wetland on the property be further evaluated at the time of site plan submittal and review. Thank you very much. You did a great job. Uh, I'd like to bring up Mike room real quick. I got a few questions from Mike. You did a good job. Thank you so much. Um, Mike, let's talk about this, uh, the LDC real quick, uh, land Development code and specifically section three of this, of the staff report. Yeah. Uh, so as, as, uh, um, planner, uh, McFarland has said this is a, our code doesn't differentiate between hotel extended stay, it, it's hotel or motel, and it's, it, you don't drive up and park in front of your unit. So it's a falls under hotel, but as you can see from the rendering, it is, it is called a Hometown Studios by Red Roof in, which is an extended stay product, which falls under our hotel, uh, um, part of the code. That's why it's here for a special exception. And the, uh, it's extended stay product, uh, that those type of hotel are, are popular. They're actually one of the hottest asset classes in hospitality. They are, they do really well. 'cause you can get good corporate clients staying there or travel ball. Parents stay there a night or two and you can get, you have more room to spread out and put all that bag ball bags and all that stuff. And so we, we are looking, um, at the extended stay aspect, we don't have a current code for that. So we, we are looking at ways to keep this, uh, type of a hotel option to be able to be approved with conditions if it, if it were to go some other way. Uh, we're looking at options to, because some people you could say, uh, if you look at the website for Hometown Studios on the front page, they talk about the monthly rentals and then you don't have to worry about different items. And so is it a way to circumvent multifamily? That's what one could be argued. So we're looking at different ways to provide conditions that we could kind of ensure that operationally we can help eliminate the, uh, ability to have, uh, long-term stays and what could come with that idle time. Uh, which, you know, it's not a, it's not a business traveler that's coming in, getting dinner, working out of an office necessarily, uh, under that long term stay. Our short term rental, uh, criteria in the Land Development Code just deals with Airbnb, doesn't deal with, uh, hotels. And actually, it actually says in our short, short term rental regulations that hotels do not, are not under that provision. So, you know, when you hear the extended stay, you think this is great. We are creating a commerce business commerce center up on the west side of Co Apopka Road. So how do we get those corporate clients to stay there? But we do have to consider, uh, those extended stay options. Uh, and what, what comes with that? So we are looking at conditions criteria, um, to help. If you look at the, uh, section three of the Land Development code, uh, for special exceptions, uh, you know, the land development code can add, we can require walls, we can require more plantings, we can require buffers, we can require up ups, a higher end, more amenities, a pool and a playground and a this and a that. But what it does the land of Elma Code doesn't give you an opportunity to do is look at the health welfare, um, of people working, residing, owning in the vicinity. And the vicinity doesn't necessarily mean adjacent our land of development code. Everything's adjacent. You know, are you adjacent to residential with a commercial? Then you've gotta provide X buffer, feet buffer with landscaping and a wall. We don't have that situation here. So we are looking at items, uh, that we would bring back at the city commission level. So, alright. Thank you. Mm-Hmm. We have anybody representing the, uh, alright, well, public hearing. Just state your name if you would. Good evening. My name's Russell Maynard. I'm with Central Florida Engineering Consultants. I'm out here on behalf of the applicant. Oh. Anybody have any, uh, questions for the applicant? I'm good right now. Alright. Thank you very much. Does anybody have any questions for staff? Okay. I did open it up to the public, so sorry I didn't, I, if there's public comment, I have It. I gotcha. Yes, you're first come on up. Mm-Hmm. Good evening. My name is Kelly Beck. I'm the HOA President for Greens at Forest Lake. We are a town home community about a half a mile from this proposed location. Um, our community, I spoke with a number of residents are directly in opposition to this establishment. This is not a hotel, this is not people coming in for meetings or just visiting family. This is an extended stay facility, and that carries meaning there are people that are from transit populations that these become their homes. The property similar to this in Orlando, um, specifically the Hometown studios in South Orlando has a series a slew of evictions on the Orange County Court records from people who have made it their home because of the housing prices within Central Florida. Um, that comes with meaning in our community. And these are populations that have a lot of times issues with mental health, with drug addiction that have caused them to fall into relying on these types of facilities. And while I appreciate the need for providing that space, there's also an impact to the surrounding community. This property is adjacent to a daycare center. They're proposing a four story hotel overlooking a daycare center with small kids in and out all day. Uh, diagonal from it is Renaissance Charter. You have an elementary school within visibility of this four story hotel with people from all walks of life. A simple Google search, so shows issues with sex trafficking at these facilities. Red Roof Inn, which is the parent company of Hometown studios, just settled a lawsuit in June and has 42 more federal cases pending relating to sex work and sex trafficking in these types of facilities. This is not what adds value to our community. The previous proposal up here, also adjacent to us, and it's a coffee shop and it's a dental office and it's enhancing our community. It's enhancing the value and the safety and the lifestyle of what we're trying to build in Ocoee. This isn't it. Um, additionally, my biggest concern is, as we go back to those three criteria for the exception, is focusing on number three, that health, safety, and wellness of the people in the vicinity. Yes, we're not technically adjacent. We are diagonal, but we're in the vicinity. We're going to be impacted by what happens at this site. And I have some really big concerns and I urge planning and zoning to decline it. This isn't the right use of this property. Um, additionally, the hometown studios in Orlando have the worst ratings in of hotels and motels in the Orlando area with reviews on TripAdvisor, on hotels.com, all over the place of roaches. And again, this is going to be sharing a lot with a daycare center. And now you have health and safety concerns coming out of that. So I'm sure there's others here that may wanna speak. So I, I won't take up too much time, but this is not the answer. It's not safe for our children, it's not safe for our community and it doesn't enhance any value in oco. Thank you. Thank you very much. Alright, next up we have Sherry Beach, I believe. Good evening. I'm pretty much going to accentuate everything you said and add to it, um, because for exactly what she said, I'm urging you to reject and deny, um, this proposal for many reasons. Um, proximity to the daycare, not only the charter school across the street, it's in walking distance and the vicinity and very close proximity to at least four schools. Um, an extended stay should not be an appropriate consideration to add value to our community to enhance our community or draw appeal to our community. Um, there are many families, I've been here almost eight years that they came to Ocoee for a family atmosphere. And what I've seen over the past five years in particular are these business centers and these warehouses and pretty much everything, the opposite of what a family would want, um, with other considerations that could be included, um, and could be discussed. An extended stay or any type of hotel, specifically an extended stay is not an appropriate option for that land use and for this area. Um, As far as the special exemp exemptions, um, I do believe it violates number three, that it is not, um, appropriate as far as the safety, welfare, welfare and or convenience of those residing in the area. For the reasons I just stated. Not only the schools, but the safety of our children, our fa the families that are in the, um, area as well as everyone that would be in close proximity to this. The traffic increase, um, this would not lessen congestion. There are many safety and traffic concerns, infrastructure concerns already with West Road and Koa Apopka Road and those adjacent roads. So this would not add to the traffic. Um, and the infrastructure flow. Most importantly, the personal side of this should be a reason to deny and reject this proposal to put an extended stay or any type of hotel there for those reasons. The daycare, the schools in close proximity, the safety concerns and the welfare, welfare and con, um, convenience of those that live in the vicinity. Um, as mentioned, it does not add value and appeal to enhance our community and enhance what people already live around in the community. Um, and as was stated before, it's typically with the research and with searching and Google and all the other ways that you can see, it generally is a transient population, um, and people seeking more affordable options for short term or extended living. And that's not an appropriate option. Um, or it shouldn't be an appropriate consideration for something added to our community and that location in particular. Um, before, before you go Mr. Chair, if I can ask, um, sure. At the beginning you did not state your name and address, so for the record, could you do that just so we have that Yes. Down as well. Sorry. Sherry Beach and it's 7 0 3 Morro de Loop. Koi. Thank you. Yes. Alright, last but not least is Natalie Lopez? Yeah. Cool. Hi. Good evening everyone. I will make this short and simple because I think the ladies did a phenomenal job. Na. Natalie, I'm gonna, I'm question, I'm sorry. You just gave directions and I didn't obey. I do apologize. Natalie Lopez, uh, 6 3 8 4 10 Circle of Kobe, Florida. Um, short and simple, uh, I'll, I'll give my personal testimony. I have a 15 month year old. I, I've been here for six years, invested into this community. For the purpose of it, it was family oriented. Um, my daughter plans to go to ladybug. I really don't feel comfortable as many of us has already expressed. Um, we live in Western Bay Town homes. We've literally knocked on doors to ask, Hey, what are your thoughts and feelings towards this? And everyone is in agreeance that it is not a good idea. It's not gonna positively impact the community. Um, we do have West, um, Oak Trail, we have teenagers, we have young adults that travel back and forth from the high schools. They're going to constantly pass that hotel, um, extended stay each and every day. So, um, respectfully please. Um, it's not the right decision for this community. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Alright. Uh, Chris Atkins. Thanks. Good, Chris, good to meet you. Welcome to the job. Uh, my name is Chris Atkins. I live at 6 0 6 Ridgefield Avenue here in Ocoee, Florida. Um, I'm a 25 year president. Um, I'd like to speak for a quick second about what I've heard as a common statement amongst all these residents that are here. And often we don't come up to these meetings unless we're directly impacted by 'em. But this happens throughout the city on a regular basis where something arises and it impacts individuals directly around them. Um, I ask that whether or not it's the commission or board members that they kind of use some common sense and be pragmatic, right? Imagine if your family lived next to it or in the proximity. How would you feel? What would you think? I happen to be myself and have been in the corporate housing business for more than a decade. So when staff states that often or individuals state that often corporate housing uses these types of facilities, that's absolutely not true. We utilize apartment complexes on short lease terms. We don't put anybody, especially from a business standpoint or a professional standpoint in an extended stay. All the data is clear for the board members to look up for staff to look up with what's associated with these types of facilities. I actually not only think that it's a horrible decision, not only for the things that they've said, but I believe it directly goes against the flow of traffic. And the staff should know that we have a serious issue at the charter school right there every single Monday through Friday. We even sometimes have to station police officers there to direct it. So I don't understand how staff would overlook that and say this would comply. Think about the amount of cars and people that would be utilizing this. So I look at things in a few different ways. But one thing Brad brought up, which was ma made a lot of sense to me when he was que questioning and asking about the LDC, I think he was specifically talking about section three. I'd actually like to see the board recommend not only to not have this extended stay, but to recommend to the commission to amend it, to not have him anywhere within the city. I don't want, you know, I'm not here to judge where people live or stay. I'm not here to say what something should be or not be. I stay to what's pragmatic and common sense. It's not good for the health of our community. We tend as a community over the last five years to increase densities on small areas to give exceptions, you know, um, for growth. I value the decisions you guys have to make. 'cause a lot of 'em are very difficult, right? Our city benefits from having businesses, we need them impact fees, other things, taxes, other things. But it has to be a balance. It seems like we've lost a little bit of that focus. I'll use just for an instance, which you guys just approved in regards to the shopping center that was zoned low residential, low density residential. This area that they're speaking about, by the way, all the way east to the 4 29 has been zoned agriculture or low low density residential for decades. And they've nick and picked at this, at these meetings until they can get it as full as they can to the 4 29, which is completely, in my opinion, against what they should be doing. 'cause that doesn't really benefit the city. It benefited the city. Sure. If you had the infrastructure, sure. But we all know the infrastructure around here is for, I'm gonna say right, okay. But when they approved that, they approved it at, you know, you get X amount of square feet per X amount of acreage, but you have to have 30% for this. So, um, you know, you can have 65,000 square feet or whatever the number is based upon the full acreage. But then you take this 30% out and they allowed 'em to still develop it as if that 30% was there. They figured it was fair. But what that does is that increases the density on the 70% that's there. If they just went by the 77% that's there, they wouldn't have that size building. They'd have a much smaller building. It would be more natural feeling. It wouldn't be so much concrete in such a small area. We just did this about four months ago with some townhouses over by um, 80 Mens Road where we had a 15 acre project where we allowed them to build co townhouses over 15 acres. But listen to this, seven of those acres were wetland. So they really didn't have 15 acres to build did they? But you know what they did? They allowed 'em to build just as many townhouses that would be on 15 acres right next to a wetland with a third less amount of the space available to even be built on. So respectfully, I value you guys, but I hope that like everybody else here, you would turn down this particular pro uh, um project. Thank you sir. Thank you Very much. Alright. We have uh, Keith Ha is it hatchery? Alright. It's okay on the English side of pen. Um, So good afternoon. Sorry about that. Um, kind of coming In, say your name for The My name's Keith Hadley. I live at 1 0 2 4. Uh, Robin Holly Street in Ocoee, Florida. I've been down here for, gosh, my children are in eighth grade, so nine years. Uh, originally from Tallahassee, Florida. Um, graduate Florida Agricultural, mechanical University. Uh, so, but um, my concern in this, as you can see I'm wearing this shirt. I do work at the Great Memorial Middle School. My first job here was at the Great Jones High School. And I jokingly tell my friends sometimes and I love going to Orlando City soccer games and I love when the fans get really annoyed because their first chance is the ref belongs in OBT and we all know within our circle of Orlando what the heck that means. And there is nothing like going to work at six o'clock in the morning and you're seeing street walkers going one way and children going another. There is nothing like when you have a kid hop the fence and you're like, well bump that, bump that. And you look over and you're like, oh, there's some over there. So part of my concern of this is one I do have teenage kids and we did go see Deadpool and the whole movie. They're like, we can't tell my wife we saw this 'cause we don't watch these kind of movies, especially with dad. But it's just also part of the what comes with it as an educator. A lot of my students, obviously I tell, I'm telling y'all I'm right there on OBT. A lot of my kids, they're homeless. And where do a lot of them stay? Extended stay locations and all of them bad? No, but do a lot of them suffer from challenges and find it very difficult to find their ways outta these circumstances? Yes. So one of my biggest concerns is besides just the location to the school, the location to the other amenities is also the location next to the park and the uh, path there. I mean we literally just had it out where they built a neighborhood next to us. And part of the problem with the building that new neighborhood is you almost hit a bicyclist every couple days 'cause you can't see them. So now you gotta stop. But the other problem is when you walked on or rode on the back by the bike trail there, you saw where they cleared the land and they recently cleared it from people that were squatting, building tent tents and other things there. So part of my concern with this is some of that traffic in and out. If this was a type of hotel, I wouldn't have that concern because Mr. Keith, I'm sorry to interrupt. Let me ask you a quick question. You pause this time for one second. Yes sir. Uh, I, I've heard some other people here and I want to ask you the same question 'cause you brought it up. So you, you uh, you've talked about the Hometown suites that's in Orlando, but you know, there this same one is in Sanford as well. Yeah. Which it's not the the the one that's in Orlando as the old model. The one that's in Sanford, which is by Boomba Sports Complex, is this exact model and they've, it's been there for two years now. So do you think that's a high crime area with, with all those things that you've talked about? I don't think it's a high crime area, but I also don't think we have some of those same amenities. We do have the golf course there, which I mean I, I play golf with my frat brothers, you know, otherwise I don't golf. You know, did we have an event out there? Yeah. But how often are we gonna get those events and activities? I mean are we really drawing people to that park that's kind of right there? I mean beautiful soccer park, other things like that. Are we drawing that clientele to those events and activities? And I don't know if this does that for our neighborhood and for our people because my kid goes to the ice cream truck, she's gullible and she's that kid that, hey, daddy's not quite there. I'm gonna beat him out, beat him there. I'm a little concerned when we have food truck night tomorrow. You know, if we get That. Lemme ask you one more hypothetical question 'cause Great. So there may be a sports complex right down the road, right? It's gonna house, you know, it's gonna be for tons of kids and families. You got a family of four or five that's here traveling. Wouldn't this be the type of model for those families to stay at It? It could be, but we kind have that on the other side of co We started up already and it looks like we kind of extended, extended there. I stayed there when I first came down here. So I, I told you I'm from Tallahassee. We used to come down for the Florida Classic. We stayed in Southwest Ocoee down there at the Homewood Suites over there. So I think if that's something that we can continue to really grow into that area, maybe even help with that shopping plaza there, that may be something that may be a little bit better for that area that's already kind of built up. Doesn't have the traffic traffic problem. I don't know if you like me, if you stay in that apartment, that town hall community back there, we cut between the Publix to get to where we got to go. I'm sorry. Like you can write a ticket if you want to, but I gotta sneak behind Publix. I gotta be at at work at eight o'clock and I gotta be at duty eight 30, otherwise I got middle school kids and my kids gotta go to school too. So I think that's just some of my concerns and I do appreciate the, you know, ideas of what they're doing in Sanford, but I think they're serving a little bit different folks 'cause they're a little closer to the St. John's River and got some other stuff downtown that we don't quite have here. But I think Ocos still better for it. Thank you. Appreciate you. Alright, next up we have Laura. Is it Gangel? Yeah. Cool. Just state your name for the record. Yep. Laura gle. Um, and I live at 9 2 8 Robin Holly Street. I have a lot of my neighbors here today and I'm not gonna be nearly as articulate as everybody, but um, I just wanted to contribute the same concerns. Um, primarily I think that traffic in our area is already pretty horrendous on west, on West Road. Um, but there's like two or three hours of the day that I purposefully avoid leaving my house just to get onto West Road. Um, I think adding another, I mean a facility as large as this would be an error. Um, additionally I have three little girls that I stay at home with. They're too small to go anywhere without me right now, but I'd be nervous about them frequenting the community. Um, if there's anybody who's residing that doesn't feel a long-term sense of responsibility to the community around us. So. Sure. Yep. Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah. Okay. So, um, do you know who your Orange County commissioner is? I don't by Her name is Christine Moore. Okay. Yes. So you know the road that you live off of? Yeah, the main road, Clara Conoco Road. That's a county road, right? Mm-Hmm. A lot of problems there. Yeah. You should definitely be talking to her about some of those issues there. Okay. And I agree with you. Yes. It's terrible. Yeah. But anyway, sorry to interrupt you. Oh no, that's okay. I appreciate that. Um, yeah, I, Cindy's working On getting the letter. Hang on. No ma'am. No ma'am. Mm-Hmm, please. Um, same concern though, like we wanna like there. Um, but yeah, I, I, um, I want my girls to be able to grow up, um, being able to walk down to the Starbucks or the new coffee shop that's gonna be across the road. Um, and I think that if we have people who are coming in and out really, really frequently, it's not gonna, I'm not gonna have that sense of comfort to be able to allow them to romp around and bike down the West Orange trail that we live right off of. Um, and then the school too. I think that, um, it's way too close to a school. I personally have seen a lot of kids walking up and down that road. I think having, again, it'd be different if it was like an apartment complex or uh, people who are gonna be siding there for a long time where we feel a sense of community with them. But too many people shuffling in and out. I don't think that's appropriate to have with kids who are walking in and out of school every day. Cool. That's it. Thank you very much. Alright. Uh, got another one. Jessica Soto. Hello, I'm Jessica Soto. I live in Western Bay. This is kind of nerve wracking, but um, I feel like this was important enough to come out and say, you know, please deny this. I would like to bring up a couple issues. Um, one, I guess my question would be was the reason that the smoke shop and the tattoo shop was denied in the last place because of the kind of clientele it would draw. Um, that's the same thing here. What kind of clientele is this gonna draw into our neighborhood? And then also, I know myself personally, I homeschool my son and we really enjoy walking around. We walk to Dollar Tree, we walk to the Mexican restaurant, we walk to Publix. Even with the new construction that's happening right now, there was already a shooting in the middle of the day at the seven 11. It's being built just in the middle of the day. You know, what is this going to bring to our community? So just wanna share that. Thank You. Thank you very much. Alright. Anybody else? You wanna speak? Come on dude. You pay taxes. Quiet. So. Alright, in that case we're gonna close the d bring it back up, close the public hearing, bring it back up to the diocese. Those are a lot of great comments and listen to all of it. We need every, every bit we can get. So does anybody have any questions for staff or do you have, may I Address? Uh, no, I closed the public comments already. Yeah, you have something Mike? Well, I just, No, no, I'm sorry. I was talking about Mike rumor behind you. Okay. Yeah. So Does he get a chance to rebuttal or, I already closed the public gear, but he is the, he's the applicant so I think he, he does get chance. Yeah. Okay. Come on up as the applicant. One thing I want to assure everybody, this is not an extended stay hotel at this location and if, if you all need to put a limit of two weeks stay, that's fine. But this, this owner is not planning this to be an extended stay whatsoever. The hotels that are in Orlando were existing the homes to, or the hometown Suites bought them. So they were stuck with what they had. This is a totally different concept. They're being built all over the state. So, and uh, as far as traffic goes, a hotel is actually a pretty low traffic type facility compared to a commercial center or something else that might go on this property. 'cause it is zoned for that. And that's about it. Thank You. Mike, come on, Bob, you have anything? No, Sir. I was just, yeah, just saying that the applicant is usually given a defer, so My bad. Alright, anybody have any questions for staff? Okay. Um, I do have a question, uh, for Mike. Sorry, getting your steps in today. Yeah, sorry About that, Mike. Um, now I do, um, appreciate everyone coming tonight and all your comments and, and I understand about the, the safety and what kind of clientele we're gonna bring in. Um, now, um, his comment about the, about putting in a, um, yeah, Provision, limiting the, yeah, that's new information. So we, we will take that. Is that something we can do? So just generally as you're a newer member, this committee, this as you make a recommendation, you can always put conditions doesn't mean it's, it, it goes, it carries forward to the commission for their consideration, but you can always put conditions he was, he was saying this is not going to be an extended stay product and he would condition it to a limiting of the lease terms or, or, uh, stay terms of no more than two weeks. That's just something we would have to evaluate. And Mike, my question is, is there anything that's gonna make this property different than the red Roof that we already have that is similar in nature that has some issues there? I don't know. I can't, I can't tell you what, what, um, brand they flagged. They, you know. Yeah, well it's been Multiple brands. So yeah, the, the old Red Roof Inn in State Road 50 then was bought out by OEO and now it's a suburban, uh, hotel suites or something. I, I, so I, I can't tell you that it's not, I can just tell you it's not, if you go to the website for the hometown suites, it's not exterior corridors. It's, it's all new construction. Um, quality, don't know. I can't, I can't, we can't dictate that in the Florida building code, Florida building code. So If, if this were to get denied, does it affect any other type of special exemptions for hotels in the city? I mean, No. No. And a special exception, the way to look at it is in, in, in our land development code update, we're gonna get rid of special exceptions. Well, the, the theory behind them are is, is, uh, in a commercial district or in such and such district, generally this use is permitted, but however, it may have an adverse impact on adjacent property. So our larger list of special exception items are churches, schools, daycares, because you put a church, a school in daycare that limits alcohol sales, it limits, uh, the ability of the property owner next to 'em to have a fine dining with outdoor seating. And because you've got whatever going on. So, so you, you, you, uh, look at those and say, will this use here, um, if we have a suit, we have C two properties, C two zone properties on State Road 50. So here is it, is it a detrimental to anyone around it? Uh, and then, but over here on Clark Road or here on a coa pop or Fullers or West Road, it's C two. Well, this is a little bit different. This site's a little bit different. And, but then it gives you the opportunity to mitigate those items. Uh, and, and the, the health and safety is the tough part to mitigate because it's gonna be built under new building codes. It's not a conversion. There's so land of development code wise, it's tough for us to say that. So it will not, each special exception site stands on its own. For instance, the pickleball facility that was just that parcel. But a C two parcel next to, you know, I'm just trying to think of a parcel on State Road 50 would be totally appropriate, not have any issues, so, okay. Thank you. We pass that down to Joel since our vice chairman's not here tonight. I'm passing the baton down to Joel because is there any other questions? Anybody else have any other questions? Alright, then I'd like to make a motion myself. Uh, I'd like to make a motion to recommend to the special exemption 5 2 4 se 0 3 2 to deny the, uh, special exemption. And, uh, yeah. Alright, I second there is a motion, uh, by chair, um, Lu Lunik. We have a second. Um, sorry. Who? Who? I heard a second. Okay, we have a second. All, all those in favor? Anybody Have any questions? Oh, I'm sorry. Any questions? Alright. If not, let's all vote. Thank you. If you vote yes, you are voting to turn down the, uh, just so you know. Alright. Alright. So, Mr. Chairman, just let me for the benefit of the people that came, your recommendation board. So this recommendation will go to the city commission. The applicant in the meantime has an opportunity to provide some changes to feedback. He, uh, could not increase the height between now and City Commission to five stories, the number of rooms. Um, so he could not make big changes like that, but, so I just wanna give them, it's, it still goes to the city commission. It's not dead tonight. It's just a recommendation. Give Him up. I'm gonna Thank you. So, uh, then I gotta open it up again. So how are you feeling us? 30 seconds or promise afterwards? My name. Can I speak to all three Afterwards? Afterwards. Afterwards. Afterwards. I'm sorry. I know, I know. Uh, but I will make a comment. Um, you know, I, I think we're gonna need these. There's not, what's that? I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, yeah. Uh, we're, we're gonna need hotels, right? We got a lot coming up. We're gonna need hotels. We're gonna need, uh, suite hotels like this. I just don't think that's the proper area for it. I think it's gonna, needs to be a little closer to, uh, where it's gonna be at. So that's one of the reasons why I, uh, I voted to, to recommend not doing it. Um, so, and plus I see what the other extended stay looks like we have in the city now. So I'm, uh, you know, it may be a better property, but, so anyway. All right, number three. This is the, uh, temporary six month moratorium ordinance on the processing and consideration of development approvals. Uh, acting city manager, Mike, rumor Assistant. Uh, yeah. Well, there you go. One day. Thank you. Acting assistant city manager, Mike Groomer. Thank You. So, I'll have a presentation to show you. This is all descriptive. You have a ordinance in front of you as we've brought to you some elements of the comprehensive plan amendment that we are undergoing. And we are also undergoing a land development code. And both of these items are intended to address and create, uh, a vision that has been created. Comments that we have received from residents such as, tonight we want to update our land development code is a 1990 suburban splendor code. We've done some special studies on certain areas like our CRA target areas. We have a special ordinance on top of the zoning. We have that with along the state Road 4 29 with the Franklin Plant Street character area, the business character area on KOA Pop Code. And where the Koi village center is the interchange character area. But we don't wanna just have a bunch of these different codes. We want one good code that will facilitate urban, where it needs to be urban, right? Urban light, where it needs to be urban light, transitional, where it needs to be transitional and suburban esque, where it needs to be suburban esque. We have one code, a suburban code trying to accomplish all of that. So we're proposing this moratorium six months of, which is generally the downtime. The engineers finish up a lot of their work 'cause they're not working November, December, January. But this will give us a time to focus on the land development code and the comprehensive plan. No projects are not, they're still projects in the pipeline that'll come before you. This will just stop appli pre-application meetings and new submittals after September. We have a couple projects that'll still come through here. Uh, this is going to, and this is not a moratorium on building permits. I have four residential communities still under construction. All those roofs will be put up and all those houses will be built, all the commercials. So building permits are not being stopped. This is just new site plan, subdivision rezoning, comprehensive plan amendments, annexations. We've been asked not to do annexations from the supervisor of elections because we have a ma the big election in November. So we weren't doing annexations anyway. So this is just a six. We really need nine months, but six nine, that's really tough to, uh, swallow a pill to swallow for some people. But six months, uh, we'll be able to work through a lot of these and we'll be bringing back a new revised land development code, comprehensive plan, which will address a lot of these issues going forward. Um, and so we're bringing this, uh, statutory, we've gotta bring it in front of the planning and zoning commission, seeking your recommendation. As I said, uh, it's, it's not gonna shut the front door, put the close sign. Unfortunately, we do have projects we've gotta work through. Uh, and, but we will and we will have meet meetings with you because we'll be bringing the comprehensive plan land development code and the projects we have in the pipeline, uh, still to you That we are excited for. Yes. Does anybody have any questions for, uh, Mike on this? Alright. Um, I might have a discussion with attorney or, 'cause it's, it might relate to something that I wanted to do. The ordinance. Okay. They can ask. Yeah, you Don't mind. Alright, so, um, there is a property that I'm looking on the pop or No, the dude, he gotta do it on the mic property. I have an Employee. I don't, should I, We can have a sidebar Voting on this one because it, how do you say it? Like how are you planning on submitting it before? Yeah, it used, so it would take about three, four months before we would be submitting it. So I don't want it to, so yeah, you probably should just recuse yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wanna make sure? I don't want to, yeah, No, that's fine. Yeah. So do You need to get the form? Okay. Before you leave, she'll give you the form, the recusal form. Good? Yep. You wanna state what he's gonna do or? Yeah. Um, just go ahead and state for the record what you're, what what you're gonna do, and just let him know why you don't have to, I guess you don't have to totally say why, but just say that you're gonna recuse yourself. It Just, there's a property in oco, um, Lakewood Avenue that I don't get into the details. Just say you're gonna recuse yourself. Yeah. I'll recuse myself from voting on this one for There you go. There you go. That's Okay. Thank you. Is this a public hearing? Yes. No, that's for me. Oh, sorry. All right. We're gonna open up to the public. Come on. Come on, granddaddy. I know you've been asking me to come here for So long. I know. I love that you're here. Uh, so for the record, Chris Atkins, 6 0 6 Ridgefield Avenue here at Coley Florida. A long time resident. Nice to see you, Mr. Rimmer. I had a quick question for you. When was the last time the LDC or the comprehensive, um, plan changed? I know they're two separate, but when were they last visited and extensively looked at Mr. Chairman? Sorry, He's asked a question. Do you? Oh, I I thought he posed it to You. Well, but he's gotta address Go ahead. You can answer. Okay. Okay. So, uh, the land development codes had a number of, of amendments here and there dealing with statutory stuff. Uh, we've addressed some zoning things here and there. Uh, comprehensive plan has been updated last time, uh, based off IV amendments and some other statutory stuff. Yeah, 2016 we've done, we've done updated to updates to, uh, some elements here and there based off of some, some bandaid stuff working to, uh, uh, overhaul that we're under now. Excellent. Is there any cost associated with said, uh, plan to revise change or look into extensively? I, I don't know. Would you happen to know Mr. Rumor? I mean, I don't think he would have those figures off the top of, I'm not asking for No, no, no. I'm not asking for Figure. No. So the, the land development code and the comprehensive plan, all budgetary items of it, were in the, the budget. So any any aspects of that, uh, parts of the comp plan, parts of land development code are being done in-house and parts are being done with a consultant. Kimley Horn is a consultant for the Land Development Code update and, um, so yep. Excellent. Alright, so, um, I actually, um, I'm gonna a hundred percent, uh, in favor of this six month moratorium. I do believe that there's a four month ability to extend if needed. Is that right, Mike? If they need to extend you can come back to them for some additional time after Yes, in a, in a moratorium. Uh, we did this, uh, we did a moratorium and we were doing the state road 4 29 overlay. And we, while we were doing that criteria, we had built in, if, if for whatever reason you get to adoption and there's a hurricane you can't meet or some, so it would extend it. And so we can get those. Yes. So, uh, you know, one of the things I would say is you go forward with this. I I obviously, it's very smart to do so. You have to have your apples and your ducks in a row before you do things, or you tend up chasing them, if you know what I mean. Uh, so I mean, um, in retrospect though, um, I I would make mention that it would've probably served a much better purpose to extensively do this maybe prior to what we did in 2015, 16. I mean, we spent a whole lot of money, um, and we did a lot of things. And if we didn't have our comprehensive plan nailed down to where we needed it to be, would that have been something we might have been proactive to think about doing prior to now? Is this kind of putting, uh, you know, the horse after the cart somehow type deal? What's your opinion? I don't have one. You don't have one On that particular comment? Okay. Well, I would think that as a business, which what city is right, if I'm gonna be doing a lot of expanding and growth and I'm gonna be doing things that are supposed to benefit our city, I think knowing what we have and the way we're gonna do it is important. It would stop a lot of these special exceptions. And actually, I want to ask a real quick question. Is there a list of how many special exceptions we allow? Like is there a place that you guys should be able to go to? I'm not necessarily thinking maybe the public should be able to, but maybe you guys, how many A development code? Well, like Mr. Butler, how many special exceptions this year has the City of Ocoee approved? I don't think, I don't think Mr. Butler needs to know that. I think we have a fantastic staff that Well, I appreciate that on that. So I, I mean, I, I guess that would be a matter of opinion. I think again, it's just like the comprehensive plan and understanding everything prior to doing your expansion would be important. The tools in your toolbox is also important. So if you guys are making decisions on special exceptions or you're making decisions on density changes, or you're making decisions based upon something going from residential to commercial, I think you guys should be able to access that in a manner that could give you a better view of everything. So you guys are just here every once in a while. I get it. You can't possibly know everything, you know, some, uh, are involved much more heavily, uh, and that's good. But like I said, more tools in your toolbox would be better. So you can find patterns. We shouldn't be doing too many special exceptions and those types of things. But to get back to the company, I wanna make sure, I mean, on our website right now is the Land Development code. Mm-Hmm. And is the charter, right? With all the, so what, could You stop my time ma'am? Is do we not have access to Uh, no, no. What I'm saying, Brad, is I, I'm not saying you don't have access to specific things if you wanted to go look at them, but as a brief, as a summary as a board, shouldn't you have a running toll, almost like a budget of what exceptions, how many, um, alterations to, um, uh, the LDC have happened? How many, If you look in the LDC, it shows you the last time or the charters really do the, excuse me, the, the, the codes right? It shows you when anything's been Yeah. Changed. Yeah. I I'm not, I'm, uh, Brad, I, I'm, I'm not gonna go back and forth. I'm not saying that it's not accessible. I'm saying that as a board, each member having all those tools in their hand and not having to access them, access them, might be a better way for them to make decisions going forth. If they know how many times we do something, they might think about how many times we want to keep doing something. Does that make sense? That's the only reason I was saying that I'm, I'm not insinuating it's not able to be found. It can be found. 'cause I find it. So I'm just saying as a, as a, as a informed resident, I, I can see that, but Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Can I finish my last 43 seconds, sir? Absolutely. Perfect. So again, I think this is a great thing. I hope that you guys utilize every bit of time that you can and I hope that you nail it and get it right this time. Make sure that it's perfect for our future development, our future and queries of individuals who are coming in here to start businesses or hotels or baseball complexes that we're gonna build hotels and then you guys can approve them on set forth. Have a wonderful evening. Thank you. Thank You. Thank you. Alright. Does any, uh, anybody else in the public wanna speak? If not, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back up to the diocese. Does anybody have any other questions for staff? Alright, I'll take a motion, please. I'll make a motion that we approve the temporary moratorium ordinance, um, on the process of, uh, process of in consideration of development approvals. Alright. We have a motion to, uh, recommendation for approval. Do we have a second? Second. Alright, we have a recommendation for approval by Member Keller and a second by Member Chacon. If there's no other questions, let's go ahead and vote. Who missed reset It. It didn't start when I Okay. Alright, go ahead. Okay. It should be good 'cause Member Galvin. Alright, great. So we, it, uh, passes four zero member Galvin, uh, abstaining. So just don't forget, she'll give you a form to fill out. Yes, sir. Alright, cool. And I mean, uh, you know, just to make a comment, Chris, I I, I think Chris is right, you know, we need, uh, we need to make changes, but this board up here, we meet monthly and we have a very great staff that that keeps us informed. We have a great packet that comes out once a week that tells us, uh, you know, all the f ands or buts about what's happening. Um, so, you know, and we have access to staff at any time to ask questions. So I think this is, uh, you know, we do have some new members, but this is, uh, not a board. You're just here every now and again, right? So we do a lot of great work here and you know, I think we're doing a lot of great work for the city. So anyway, that is, uh, number three that's gonna be done there. We have, uh, miscellaneous Project update. We will be 99% bringing, uh, to the October commission, the large scale land use amendment for the regional baseball facility. That'll be a long item, um, with a lot of information and, uh, bringing forward that We have, um, two new roads under construction. Uh, both of them at the Crown Point area. The, uh, road that is, that were both approved in 2003, uh, part of the Crown Point development. Um, and Commissioner Keller's probably pretty aware he was, he came on and did a lot of stuff near the tail end of that. But we've got a new road that comes outta the roundabout by the high school and cuts down to Apopka Road. So that'll provide an, an, uh, an additional East west connection so all the trips don't have to go to the West Road Apopka Road intersection. And we have a new road partial of it is partially built going to the west, the south side of the new technical school. Uh, the rest of that road is being, uh, engineered as we speak and will be constructed. So then, uh, as you go south on Coe, crown Point Parkway past the high school, that road will connect down to East Crown Point Road in Fullers near the, uh, legacy, uh, charter school. So, um, with that we have, um, a two additional new roads being built along, uh, coa Apopka, they run East West, they will terminate at a future Pine Street that we have. Preliminary design, uh, trying to figure out where the Pine Street could run north and meet up with those. We have some utilities, we have some, uh, acreage, uh, orange County acreage. We have some easements that we've gotta figure out where the center line of the road's gonna go and start working on that road, which will provide a block parallel structure to the O coa Paco Road. Um, we have, um, the project known as the Regency and Mixed use center and or what we call target area one off of, uh, in the CRA in State Road 50 off McGuire and, um, adjacent to the turnpike that has broken ground as well. And so we've got a lot going on. Anybody have any questions for Mike? Yeah, I've, I've got a couple if I can, Mr. Chair. Yep. Um, two of them first one, speaking about roads. Where, where are we with Clark Road? What's happening with Clark? I know it seems that, uh, it got stopped for a while there. Um, Yeah, there was a elevation issue. The, the engineer that designed the widening is the one that designed the ex the new road, which they had all virgin land to deal with. And so you get in their design, there was a break over near where the wall by PA around Hackney Prairie and Elevational changes and you, they had to go back and may do a revision, take it to the, uh, water management district. And so they'll, they're that kind of put a little hiccup in that, an additional hiccup. We knew this all along. There's a lift station right past the fire station on the west side of the road that the access to the lift station was set up under the existing conditions. Well, when you widen it, it took the driveway out and we had to negotiate with the HOA next to it to cross some of their land to get a new driveway that had issues with, then you get into elevation. So there are a couple little hiccups along the way, but yeah, it should be rock, you know, minus this rain. They should be Rock. They should be getting better. And then the second question and, and sort of a sort of a reminder back, uh, what was it in April, I think we went to that planning board, um, conference. And at the time I had mentioned that they had a group planning board membership for, for six people for like $120. Um, and I recommended that. Yes. Get that for the Would yeah. Would, would the members like to be a part of it? Uh, the we can, yeah, we can do that. Yep. Alright. Alright. Um, I had a couple, somebody asked me a couple questions. One was about, uh, another, there's a fence that went around Hardee's. Was that just to keep people out or is there somebody that's uh, looked at that property? Yeah, there was a, we, I don't have an interior remodel, but it was a car went into the drive through, I think. Right. And they were just fixing that and It went in the front window. Oh, front window. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, but we don't have, I'm in, I, You know, okay. Nothing. I expect it probably just Security, hope something Good, good. I haven't heard. So, Yeah. Uh, I also was asked about, uh, Palm Drive and the realignment is that, uh, Coming Palm Drive in the realignment is the chicken and the egg. So yeah, so the, for the time, so where it hits Koa Apopka is under Orange County's designation. And so they were in permit for the tying in the road. Permitting was reviewing it. Lo and behold, then they resurfaced Koka Road raised the elevation a quarter less than a quarter inch. And that required all new engineering and all new review. And then they came back and said they wanted a roundabout there and we had, they had to prove a roundabout would not work. And so it's, it's just A roundabout at Palm and, and, and, and a pop violin road. Yes. Yes. A co pop road. I mean, geez. So it's, it's just, and yes. And so the, yep. Thank you. That's where It's Anything else? Alright, well if that's the case, uh, we did what we did. Alright, cool. Have a great night everybody. Thank you. Thank you.