All right. Good evening. We're gonna start the, uh, may the 21st council meeting. We'll have the invocation by the central Florida free thought community when they come on up. Are they here? All right, then we're going to have Brad Nik. Alright. Oh yeah. I'll let him do it. I didn't see him over. Sorry. That Mr. Harton, let's all stand, please. You gotta do better, Brad, Each other, the father, we thank you for the abundant grace and mercy you've shown towards us by allowing us to come together to fellowship as brothers and sisters to conduct the city's business. And Father, even though we may disagree, help us not to be disagreeable or to disen from one another, but to work together as brothers and sisters for the greater good. We pray, especially prayer to our first responders are police officers, our firemen, and all those who are putting their lives on the line for us each and every day. Watch over them as they watch over us. We continue to give you the praise to honor glory you do. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. I pledge, pledge allegiance to flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Commissioner Kennedy Here. Commissioner Wilson. Here. Mayor Johnson. Here. Commissioner Furner. Here. Commissioner Oliver Here. All right. I'm gonna read the, uh, 2024 Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month Proclamation, which I did last Saturday, but I'll read it again for you Mr. Moyer. Thank You. Whereas Asian Americans and Pacific Islands have enriched the history, society and culture of the United States of America, including dying and risking their lives, building the first Transcontinental Railroad, initiating the United States. Verse one Kim 1898, the landmark decision that has given birthright citizenship to the children of countless immigrants to the United States from all over the globe for over 120 years and sacrificing their lives in defense of our country. And whereas in recognition of the contributions by Asian Americans and Pacific Honors to the United States of America, then President Jimmy Carter signed a bill into law in 1978, proclaiming the first 10 days of May, 1979 as Asian American in Pacific Islander Heritage Week. And whereas then President George HW Bush signed a bill into law in 1990, extending the week long celebration to an entire month, resulting in the official designation of the month of May as Asian American and Pacific Honor American Heritage Month beginning in 1992 and requesting that future presidents issue a proclamation calling on the people of the United States to observe the month of May with appropriate programs, ceremonies and activities. And whereas in a continuation of the history of Asian Americans and Pacific Honor's commitment to service to our country, the federal Asian, the federal Asian Pacific American Council has selected it's not two th thousand 24 theme for Asian American and Pacific Honor Heritage Month to be advancing leaders through innovation. And whereas the efforts residents and contributions of the culturally and linguistically diverse Asian American and Pacific Honors communities can be seen in every aspect of society of the United States, such as education, military politics, healthcare, economics, and science. And whereas the city of OCO recognizes the importance of inclusion and diversity in building a brighter future for all our residents, including our current and future Asian American and Pacific honor citizens. And whereas the city of OCO is proud to have a diverse community that includes an Asian and American and Pacific honor population of over 3,533 people. Now, therefore, be it resolved that the City Commission of the city of OCO does hereby proclaim the month of May, 2024 as Asian American and Pacific Honor Heritage Month in the city of oco, encourage all citizens of OCO to learn more about and pay tribute to this ethnic contributions of generations of Asian Americans and Pacific Honors, and to assist in furthering our efforts for the inclusive equitable city for all our citizenry and witness, wherever I earned two have set my hand and caused a seal to the city of Oco Florida to be affixed this seventh day of May, 2024. Russ Johnson, mayor. Alright. All right, oco Music Festival, Chick-fil-A beneficiary check presentation, parks and Recreation Director Johnson. Uh, good morning, good honor. Good morning. Good evening. I mean, good evening. Good. Sorry. Good evening, mayor Commissioner, city Manager Chadwicks. Um, tonight we're here to present the check for the, uh, beneficiary of the Chick-fil-A 5K, the 12th annual Chick-fil-A 5K. Um, I'm gonna let Beth Ott from Chick-fil-A come up here and say a few words and then take a few pictures and present the check Here. Yeah, that's fine. Good evening. First of all, I'm just, um, thankful and grateful to be here this evening to present this check to the, um, nonprofit that we picked this year as the benefactor for our 5K. This was our 12th 5K this year, and I definitely, we could not do it without the city of Ocoee. We appreciate the city of Ocoee, the Parks and Rec department, Mark Johnson, torn Hogan and their team, which is amazing. Our Kids Fund run is sponsored by Dr. Frail and Dr. Brewer and their team. It's just amazing. These are our sponsors that helped us this year. Our gold sponsor, Orlando Health Health Central. Then we had our, um, silver sponsor was Texas Roadhouse, a great community partner as well. And then we had a new bronze sponsor, which was Christian Brothers Automotive. But these are all the other people. Without them, we couldn't do it, especially the OCO Police Department and the fire department. We want to give a shout out to you as always. Um, every year we pick a benefactor and they get a portion of the proceeds. So the, we always wanna get as many runners as we can so we can give back. And this year our benefactor was Eight Waves Corporation and Kelly Carr is gonna come up and just tell you just a little bit about what they do, um, and their mission. Hi, good evening. My name is Kelly Carr. I'm the Director of Operations and programs for Eight Waves. Eight Waves is a nonprofit and we work primarily in Winter Garden. Uh, but we serve all of West Orange County and we also serve Lake County. We have a free afterschool program. Um, we have, um, in-school mentorship programs, and we really just focus on serving children and families that live in under-resourced areas. So, uh, families that might not be able to pay for their own tutoring afterschool help. We provide that afterschool and we have summer camp programs and we help with food insecurity, hygiene, um, and we have together eight programs. That's where the name Eight Waves came from. So if you'd like to learn more about us, our website is eight waves.org. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. And we are excited tonight to be able to give them a check, um, that will help com, um, help them keep moving forward in their mission. But remember, each year, we do choose a benefactor. Next year is our 13th annual Chick-fil-A 5K with the City of Ocoee and the Kids Fund run with Frail Brewer Orthodontics. Get your shoes out. You've got a year. It's gonna be, I think on April 12th next year, which is a Saturday. So you have plenty of training time. Um, if you want to apply to be a benefactor, we will post that on the city's website and our website closer to the race, and it'll have the parameters. Um, you have to meet the requirements to apply. Um, but absolutely, if you have a nonprofit that gives back, helps the community, we'd love to see you apply for that. Um, we can't say enough about this race and what it's become to all of us. It's a great community event. Um, and we hope to see more and more people come out there and join us next year. Um, again, thank you, thank you, thank you. And of course, gotta get it in there. Brought Macau. We have Superhero Cow tonight, so he's gonna help us present the Check two eight Waves, which I believe is for $1,416. Again, to help push them forward in their mission of Helping the community be better. Thank you again. And eat more chicken. Come down front. Be you gonna come down front with everybody. Yes. We Okay. We'll stand up behind it. That must have been the, Hey, how are you? Good. Good to see you. You might not feel together. Keep going. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Chairs behind you. All right. Next we have, uh, our OCO Youth Council Program, 2020 3 24 year in review and recognition of the high school graduates and our city clerk, melody, civic, Good evening, honorable Mayor and City commissioners. The OIC this evening is going to be presenting their 20 23 20 24 year. In review, each member of the Youth Council has selected a community event or department to highlight, and we will share their experience with the, they will share their experience on and summarize what they learned from the various departments they had the opportunity and privilege meeting with. I will begin by introducing OYC members, Miley and naya. Good evening. The Descendants Dinner is a memorial event held annually by High Point Church in partnership with the city to remember the victims of the Koi Massacre. It serves as a way to honor the lives loss and raise awareness about the importance of racial equality and social justice. During the dinner, community members, activists and historians came together to share stories about share stories, educate others about the massacre, and discuss ways to bring equality and justice in the present day. I'll now introduce OYC member and I All right. At the Descendants Dinner, we collaborated as a team to serve all the attendees. This memorial event was a profound learning experience. We gained insight into the numerous hardships faced by the descendants and how they preserved through them, persevered through them, sorry, the dinner was truly inspiring, showcasing their efforts to educate and motivate people. To learn more about the Koi Massacre, it provided a valuable opportunity for us to inform others about this tragic historical event. I will now introduce you to OIC member Alonzo. At the Family Evening with Santa Dinner event, the Acco Youth Council welcomed the families distributed drinks, and assisted the park staff with cleaning up the hall. The children enjoyed meeting Santa and engaging in arts and crafts activities. Following this, the co youth council went outside to assist with other activities taking place at night at the McGuire House. During the Jolly Jane Brie event, the youth council helped participate participants and their dogs line up for their Christmas dog parade. We also assisted handing out flyers for the city's sponsor sports to promote the sports available at the Jim Beach Rec Center. Overall, both holiday events went very smoothly. I would now like to introduce you to OIC member Demetrius. Good evening. Being a part of the OCO Youth Program, the whole youth council program has taught us a vast amount of leadership skills, as well as providing our young minds with, um, the structure of how our city government works. We have been taught these skills through activities and volunteer events. During our time spent volunteering at the Martin Luther King JR Parade, we had the opportunity to help set up the event so people participating could have a place to line up for the parade route. We had various participation from local businesses, the schools, and even our own city commission. After the parade, everyone went to the West Oaks Mall, where we sat and listened to speech given by various officials. I will now introduce our OIC chair. Kennedy. Good evening. Each year, the youth council travels to Tallahassee to participate in an educational networking event called the Youth Council Legislative Action Days sponsored by the Florida League of Cities. This year, we learned about confidence and public speaking, which are two important life skills. Our first day was focused on presentations in a cla, a classroom styled learning environment. And on the second day of the trip, our activity was to mimic a local commission. Meeting and advocate for a skate park in an imaginary scenario meant to build teamwork, critical thinking, and self-confidence skills while taking part in the legislative days. We had the opportunity to network with other youth councils as well as learn how to be confident public speakers. The networking and connections we create with other youth councils allows us to share ideas and better plan for our youth council in the future. We feel the legislative days are one of the most important opportunities we get to participate in as a youth council and as individuals. I'll now introduce our OIC Vice chair. Allison, The youth can. The youth council annually competes in a video and community service competition sponsored by the Florida League of Cities. The purpose of the video competition this year was to express what we think makes our city great. It's no surprise we chose to cover our community parks under the Parks and Recreation Department. Due to the vast amount of benefits each park offers, we visited several parks to showcase their special features such as walkability and health benefits. Overall, each member of the youth council did an amazing job in the video, and it was a fun experience for us all. Although we were not selected as the winner this year, we took all our shortcomings and implemented them into a successful plan of action for next year for our community service project. This year, we created and delivered Easter goodies and appreciation cards for the elderly citizens living in the retirement homes within our city. The need that the youth council serves in our community is inclusion. We felt that many of the elderly were very moved by the youth council's kind words in the cards because they felt included and not forgotten. This project had a lasting effect on our city's youth council because of the oneness in the completion and purpose for the ACOA Youth Council. This project taught us how to give thanks to others and ultimately think of the wellbeing of oftentimes forgotten citizens in our community. During the Human Resources presentation, we learned about the department, its functions, and even the role it plays in our local government. They're responsible for the hiring process, background checks, training, administering employee benefits, and even the risk management. They ensure everyone has the appropriate credentials to work in whatever department they're applying for, an even check for criminal records. Not only that, they assist in resolving workplace con conflicts to ensure a safe work environment. I'll now introduce OIC member Bailey. Good evening. During our development service department visit, we learned about our city's planning division, building division, and their community redevelopment agency. All of these factors helped develop our city into a growing community where we're able to understand how citizens were involved in coming up with a master plan for areas they hope to improve. We even walked down to Unity Park and learned how they not only made a beautiful area for the community to visit, but how its main purpose is to be a place for storm water treatment. This visit allowed us to see how their first, firsthand, how their plans were put into action. I'll now introduce OIC member, Robert. Good evening everyone. The GIS department utilizes natural disasters and other natural events to gather public opinions and determine the next step for the community recovery. Particularly in assessing property damage, they conduct neighborhood surveys, sending teams out to inspect affected areas, categorizing them as major or minor based on the extent of the obstruction and the estimated reconstruction costs. The GIS, also the GIS department, also provided us with demonstrations, allowing us to use iPad iPads equipped with their software to conduct mock surveys of simulated natural disasters in the code. I'll now introduce OYC member Jade. During our Vandergrift Central Park tour, the parks team explained the various amenities and activities the city offers and demonstrated how the sports fields are maintained. In strike, our youth council recognizes the importance of parks, which is why we chose to highlight them for our video competition. Our next visit, our next visit was to Tiger Minor Park and the Acco Cemetery at Tiger Minor Park. We learned about the city's accessible playground equipment and plans for new pickleball courts. The Parks team also manages the cohesive cemetery, an emotional aspect of their job, as it is a final resting place for loved ones. Overall, the entire volunteering events we're truly wonderful and informative, teaching us things about our city that are not represented at face value to most people. So this concludes the annual report presentation by the Eco Youth Council. Now I will briefly highlight the Abuse Council Scholarship Program, which was approved by the City Commission in December. OIC members are eligible to receive up to two 50 per year of participation on the youth council, provided they meet the scholarship qualification guidelines for that year. Each member received an outline of the program at its launch and was informed that additional criteria may be added as the program develops for the 20 23 20 24 school year. I'm pleased to announce the OYC members contributed a total of 376 volunteer hours to the OCO community. And our four seniors have met the scholarship qualifications. Let me introduce our seniors to the city commission, and then I would like to invite you to present them with your scholarship checks. Kennedy Whitley. She's our OIC chair and a resident of Koi graduating from Edgewater High School. Robert Davidson, resident of Ocoee, graduating from WBA High School, Naya Lewis, resident of OCO e, graduating from McCoy High School, and last Bailey Castle, resident of Ocoee graduating from McCoy High School. And we are just, if you would like to do a photo opportunity, the students would We stand up behind him? We'll stand up. Yes. I like that. Yes. Congratulations. May Yeah, I'd like to make a comment as you leave or prepare. Um, last year when we revamped this program and we approved the scholarship, this is exactly, well, frankly, this is more than we envisioned. I have never seen a more thorough presentation and curriculum, and you all are to be commended. You did a fantastic job, you seniors, we wish you the very best at university and thank you. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. And I will add to that, Melanie, our city clerk has one excellent guide for these young people, and we appreciate your service and your time after hours for that. Thank you. Great. Thank you. We're, we're very proud of you guys. Um, we started this council five years ago and, uh, we had no idea how far it could go, but you guys are shining example of how far we we've come and how far we can go with the youth council. So we're all very, very proud of you guys. So thank you so much for putting in all the hard work and we look forward to seeing some wonderful things from each one of you guys. Thank you. Alright. Staff report. Um, yes, mayor, I do have one, one item tonight, uh, that I want to brief the commission on and, and I'm gonna ask, um, city Attorney to weigh in on. Also, for several weeks, we've been monitoring the activities of the Orange County Charter Review Commission, um, who has proposed some things that could have an impact to the city's ability to manage its own growth. Um, in particular, they've proposed, uh, an urban rural boundary for both East Orange County and West Orange County. The initial proposal would've greatly impacted the city myself and, um, development services director, rumor went and spoke at the meeting and they amended their proposal. And it's, it's moved to a place that, um, is a little more concerning now because of, uh, the fact that it's moved to the City commission, the county commission rather, uh, from the standpoint of controlling annexations. So I've, I've asked Kurt Artman, who's sitting in a city attorney tonight to kind of fill you in on what's happened most recently today. And, um, maybe request, uh, direction from the commission on, on our continued monitoring and looking out for the city's best interest from a home rule standpoint. Mayor, if I could. Yeah. Um, mayor, commissioners, the, as you know, the, the Orange County Charter Review Committee has been meeting for a number of months, and they, um, were considering and had considered the rural boundary, rural area, um, proposal to submit to the voters of, of the county. And, um, I think that the County Commission, um, observed what that Charter Review Committee recommended, uh, which is something that the County Commission cannot overturn. So whatever the Orange County Charter Review Committee recommends and adopts goes to, um, goes to the vote of the people. Um, comments today, uh, specifically from Commissioner Emily Bonum, uh, under an item recognized that the County Commission, uh, wanted to take action or at least want to consider taking action that would, um, be a different and separate from the Charter Review Committee, meaning by, uh, considering another potential amendment, uh, that the County Commission, not the Charter Review Committee, but the County Commission, uh, may submit to the voters of Orange County. And that deals with, uh, voluntary annexation by cities in Orange County, um, into various cities. And the proposal for consideration as, um, articulated by Commissioner Bonilla was to require that any voluntary annexation by a city, um, of unincorporated lands, lands outside the city, uh, any of the cities, uh, have to be also approved by the County Commission, uh, along with putting criteria into the county's charter with respect to infrastructure, uh, public notice and hearings requiring a super majority vote, uh, dealing with the counties urban service and urban services area, uh, boundary, um, review by, uh, the Board of County Commissioners and their approval and interlocal agreement with the city and, uh, an appeal process. She did note that, uh, her proposal, at least as it was annunciated to the County Commission this morning, was to carve out any areas, uh, that, uh, would be within a joint planning area. So the City of Ocoee has a joint planning area agreement between the city and Orange County, and several other cities in the county have joint planning area agreements. And she, her, her comment was that the proposed amendment that she would propose to the County Commission for Adoption would carve those, carve those areas out so they would not be subject to, uh, the same requirement of any area outside of JPA. Uh, the commission decided, uh, with the nod of the commissioners present. I think there were five of the seven commissioners present to have a workshop on the matter. Um, and I think the idea is to have some discussions with each of the cities. Um, I, I have concerns for the city, uh, about this proposal because it, um, would potentially run afoul of statutory requirements. It would take away, uh, the current authority of, of cities, um, in Orange County to annex property, um, that may wanna be annexed by a property owner or property owners and impose the counties, um, position on what, uh, a city would like to do. Uh, so, uh, the other other point that, uh, commissioner Bonni did not make is that if the joint planning area agreement, even if it was carved out, it was not subject to that vote, if that agreement terminates, which is something that could occur once that terminates, then the County Commission would then have complete authority over any annexation, uh, by a city, whether it was in the JPA or not. So there are a number of flaw, including inconsistencies, and so, uh, they, the County Commission does intend to have a workshop on it. Uh, uh, Craig and I have talked about it, um, and I think it would be wise if the commission, if you are concerned about this, which I think you should be as each city in the city in, in the, uh, orange County should be, is that you authorize the city staff and, uh, city attorney to engage with the county and other cities in order to address, uh, the issues to protect each to, to protect the city's ability to annex and preserve, uh, the city's authority. Anyway, that's all I have, uh, for that, hopefully that does what you, uh, expected tonight. Craig, yes. You have other comments, Craig? No, other than, you know, we would appreciate, you know, consensus of, of support, um, in our efforts to monitor and look out for the city's best interest. Uh, everybody consensus with that? Mm-Hmm? Yes. Yes. All right. Thank you very much. That's all I have for that. Mayor. Commissioners usually we Watch, usually we have to watch the state for home rule. Now we've gotta watch the county Rule. That's right. All right. Public comments. I have, um, Sherry Beach. Good evening. I'm speaking today in regards to some concerns that I have, significant concerns actually as well as many of my neighbors that have been observed with the roadways and intersections around Ocoee, crown Point Parkway, acoa, Apopka Road, and West Road. I'm an owner in the towns of Western Bay and have been for seven years. And the traffic outside of the neighborhood and other areas of Ocoee, crown Point, Parkway, acoa, Apopka Road and West Road, have always been a factor, but increasingly become more dangerous each passing year. On weekdays, especially between 6 45 and about 7 45, the congestion is chaotic, unsafe, and hazardous vehicles are entering and exiting a Coe High School, the charter school coming from the roadway behind Dunkin Donuts and trying to turn left onto Coie Crownpoint Parkway. And instead of many vehicles waiting at the, the intersection to turn left onto o Coie Papaka Road, between the Walgreens and the Dunking Donuts and the Dollar Tree, they are going straight and u turning in front of my neighborhood or turning left to go on the roadway behind Duncan, where the new gas station is going, and then back onto Apopka Road via the street between Hungry Howey's and the Dollar Tree. So it's just complete chaos every morning, and I'm sure it happens in the afternoon, I'm just not there to experience it. Um, but others and I have experienced the stress and alarming matters almost every weekday morning during the school year, and it probably happens in the afternoon. As I mentioned, it's extremely difficult when exiting my neighborhood and to do so in a safe and timely manner. More so when needing to turn left onto a Coe Crown Point Parkway. And with the gas station opening across the street from the towns of Weston Bay, the congestion and chaotic traffic pattern will definitely get worse. Um, there have been several accidents in front of my neighborhood and one occurring just a few weeks ago with a neighbor's Jeep being completely overturned in the entrance of my neighborhood. Um, with the current dangers in unorganized traffic, I definitely would not allow or feel comfortable with myself or a loved one walking, biking to and from school anywhere in the morning. During this time, I did submit a traffic feedback and request, um, form through the portal through the website. I didn't receive any feedback regarding potential solutions. Um, thank you, um, commissioner Kennedy for speaking on the phone with me at length several months ago. Um, but I thought it was warranted to come address, um, the mayor and the commission regarding this, um, because it is very, very, very, very dangerous and chaotic. And is there a plan for traffic lights, some type of organization, something? It's gonna get worse and I'm scared. Luckily I bring my daughter to school, but I'm scared for the children Alright. Times And the families. Okay, alright. I don't, I think one of the problems you're going to have there is the distance you can Yeah. They will not put another red light there that close to the red light on, on, uh, OCO Apopka Road that won't, they won't do it in that distance. So I, I think I talked to your mother. Yep. Possibly Not you, but Possibly. Yeah, I talked to your mother. They won't, they won't do a red light at that, at that distance, I can tell you. So maybe there's some, uh, speed control or something would, um, put in there sometimes or Presence, something to help guide, Just so I think we'll have to address that with the Public Works department and let them go out and do the regular study and see, mayor, anybody else? I mean, it's just, I'll respond. It is too close to have two red lights right there. Go first. Mayor, I, I believe Mr. Rumors met with, um, some of the residents out there. Right. And, uh, that's something that we would be looking at as part of a more comprehensive Right. Um, package for the Northwest area. Right. Uh, for discussion as associated with our capital improvements program. Right. That will be workshopping in a couple months. Alright. I just ask a question. I just have one question. Um, yes. You mentioned in your presentation that, um, the Hungry Howie's, I know it's where it's at. You saying that the folks are cutting through the back part of Absolutely. Where the seven s gonna be behind the holy hows just, just to get back to Oco Apopka Road? Absolutely. They, and you see this is being, uh, um, it's gonna increase as traffic congestion happens as the seven 11 is being built there. Um, wow. It's a nightmare that that's go Out there on a weekday morning. It's a complete nightmare. That's gonna be, uh, very dangerous because I'm, I'm trying to envision that and folks being impatient and cutting through there and, um, perhaps there could be, uh, some consideration or discussion of, for the shopping plaza to put up to some small speed bumps or speed tables that'll slow folks down. Thus, uh, it would actually probably mitigate them from going through there because they don't wanna go through the bumps to get behind the store and keep all the traffic flow, uh, going through the main road, that main artery right there at, uh, at, uh, west Road and, um, in, uh, OCO Pop Road. So that may be some consideration of or discussion. Can I say something? Yes, ma'am. Sure. Being Mr. Kennedy's district, I'm sure that he will notify when we have a workshop so we can notify the individuals that Yeah. To further discuss it. That sounds like what we're the direction he was taking before? Am I correct? Yes. If I may. Please. Um, as Mr. Chadrick said, who is our, currently our assistant city attorney, but our next City Manager, city manager, pardon me. Not attorney, not attorney, city manager. Um, we're working on, as you know, as we discussed, a red light at Fountains West more by the Wendy's and we're working on the four lane of that road and traffic mitigation. I was just talking about additional radar signs like we've put in and additional enforcement. Um, when he's talking about the U-turn, I actually thought you were gonna say at the McDonald's, I was following somebody Saturday, Sunday and they slammed on the brakes and made a U-turn around in front of the McDonald's to go back to West Road. So, um, obviously thank you for your comments and your call and, uh, spoke to Linda Sibley as well. And, um, I've also spoken to Western Bay and, um, as Mr. Chadrick said, we're gonna workshop it. We're gonna try to put some funds in the budget this year to, to address that more funds, but, uh, thank you for coming and speaking about it. We're, we're working on it. I'll continue to keep in touch. Thank you. Thank you. Alright, thank you Mr. Moyer. My name is Dr. Jim Moyer. I live in Den Park. I have the honor of serving at, um, as the co human relations Diversity board chair at the time, at this time. And I just want to remind everyone that on June 6th, Thursday, June 6th, we have an event here, guest speakers from UCF Ginsburg Inclusion Center. They're experts. They were here on May 2nd and they're coming back. The title of their event is Inclusive Communication, which I think is an excellent theme. In addition to being the chair of the Co Human Relations Diversity Board, I have the honor of being on the board of the Florida Asia American Justice Alliance, and we have several board members here, our treasurer Yan, our Secretary Theresa, another member of of Faja here, Paul. So thank them very much for coming to this. Thank you mayor for reading the proclamation. Appreciate it very much. Thank you for hosting on Saturday, the Asian Cultural Festival. Greatly appreciated. I also wanted to mention that, uh, June is pride month. It's also Caribbean American Heritage Month, and I also wanted to congratulate, um, the Chick-fil-A beneficiary of the 5K run. Uh, and definitely congratulate the city clerk, Melanie, on doing an outstanding job with the youth council. They were amazing and congratulate all the children and young adults at all levels who are graduating this year. So I'm very happy for them and I see a great future coming for that, for them and for our area. And thank you again for your time and God bless all of y'all. Thank you Mr. Moyer. I have one here. It just says, is it Ala Jordan? It says for construction. Is that pertaining to a certain thing? Uh, yes. The construction that you have to come up, but what is, is it for the one that's on the agenda or is it for something else? Okay. You need to put that down on her, but just wait and I'll call you there. Alright then. I have one more like that. It's, um, Robert Toner. Are you the same thing? What do, what do you want to talk about? But I'm saying is it the same issue that they're talking about? I'm not sure. Gardenia. Gardenia, yes. That's, is it? Alright. Okay. That's why I didn't, okay. All right it down to consent agenda. I need a motion. I'll make that motion to approve. Motion made to approve by Commissioner Wilson. Go here second. I'll second. I have a, a request if I can. Do, We need to make a, you have to make a motion. It's not A, it's just a request. Uh, on item number five, the contract is, uh, I'd like to get a list of open contracts that the city has similar to that. Do we have a pending list of contracts? I know some of them sit for a while. I'd like to have us get a list and review it. That's my only comment. I second the motion to approve. Second it. But Commissioner Kennedy, you got a comment on that? Yeah, I'll provide a list of the contracts we have currently in process. Perfect. Thank you. Alright, that's it. Do let's, any more comments? Not let's vote. Motion carries you unanimously. Thank you. All right. First read of ordinance item number nine. First read of ordinance to implement speed enforcement cameras and school zones. Yes, sir. In ordinance of the city of Ocoee, Florida, amending chapter 1 68 of the code of ordinances, declaring purpose and intent authorizing placement and installation of school zone speed detection systems providing for implementation of general law by the city manager and designation of local hearing officer, providing for favorability of the newly created section, making findings regarding relevant traffic, data and evidence warranting additional enforcement procedures and designating school zone speed detection system locations, which constitute a heightened safety risk providing for severability ratifying approval of contract for implementing school zone speed detection systems, providing for codification and providing for an effective date. This item will be presented as a second reading and a public hearing at the next scheduled city commission meeting on June 4th, 2024 at 6:15 PM PM or soon thereafter. All right. Second read of ordinances, public hearings. Item number 10, second read of ordinance for 7 89 Pine Street. Small scale, comprehensive plan amendment from low density residential to light industrial rezoning from single family dwelling to restricted manufacturing and warehousing. Project development services director rumor. Thank you Mayor. I'd like me to read it. Mayor. Yeah, we do it after. You wanna do it after that Before I open the public here? Yes. Alright. Yeah. This property is located north of Palm Drive, west of Ocoee Papaka in east of Pine Street. It's, it's, uh, property that is in the city. We are, uh, uh, providing this parcel, uh, with a, uh, small scale land use amendment from low density residential for dwelling units, an acre to light industrial, and a rezoning from R one single family to match up with that light industrial land use. We're doing a light industrial zoning. The, the parcel is agriculture right now. It is in the business character area that we have designated by ordinance. Uh, this is an area that is surrounded by low density residential for the, some of those existing properties that haven't annexed in or developed. And we have light industrial and commercial. If you notice on the map, the, uh, the gray is properties that are in the county. And this is what, uh, Lee, going back to the earlier issue, the assistant city manager brought up, uh, that could be taken the right to annex and fulfill the commercial, the, uh, business character area with annexations if the county were to prevail. But with this, we're changing the zoning from residential to light industrial. As I said, the land is, uh, was purchased by the developer that is developing on, uh, along the KOA Pop corridor. This is additional lands bringing in. It'll be brought in later on in a large scale site plan before the commission. Um, but right now they're looking at using it as a stormwater retention pond if possible. If they can get the stormwater there. The development review committee and the planning zoning commission, uh, recommended approve on this. It's in the city. We're just changing it from the, uh, the possibility from residential to light industrial to meet the business character area. Thank you. Alright. Oh, you wanna read the uh, Yes, sir. In ordinance of the, in ordinance of the city of Ocoee, Florida, amending the city of Ocoee comprehensive plan as adopted in 1991 as amended amending the future land use map of the O Coe comprehensive plan to change the future land use map designation from low density residential to light industrial for certain real property containing approximately 2.51 acres. Located at 7 89 Pine Street on the east side of Pine Street, approximately 1,137 feet north of the intersection of Palm Drive and Pine Street, providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city future land use map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency providing for severability, providing for an effective date. You wanna read the rezoning one too? Yes. Uh, glad to read the rezoning in ordinance of the city of Ocoee Florida, changing the zoning classification from R dash one. A single family dwelling district two i dash one light manufacturing and warehousing district on certain real property containing approximately 2.51 acres located at 7 89 Pine Street on the east side of Pine Street, approximately 1,137 feet north of the intersection of Palm Drive and Pine Street. Finding such re, such zoning to be consistent with the O Coe comprehensive plan. Providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city zoning map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency providing for severability and providing for an effect date. Alright, well we're going to open the public hearing. Anybody in the public have any comments on item 10 for 7 89 Pine Street? Alright. No, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the Do anybody have any comments on item 10? If not, I need a motion. I'll make a motion to approve the rezoning. I'm sorry. First motion for Comp Plan. Comp plan and then we do the rezoning. Second. Okay. I, I will make the motion to approve the small scale comprehensive plan. Alright. Do I hear second? I'll second. Motion made by commissioner first or second by Commissioner Kennedy. Any more comments on that? Not let's vote. Alright. Now we need a motion on the rezoning. I'll make that motion to rezone. Motion we hear second. Yes. Motion made by Commissioner Fer. Second about Commissioner Kennedy. Any more comments? No more comments. Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. Alright, we'll go down to number 11. Second read of ordinance for one Taylor Street. Small scale comprehensive plan. FLU amendment from heavy industrial to commercial com and rezoning from I one, restricted manufacturing warehousing to C two community commercial city planner. Thank you Mayor Mike Groomer, development services director on this. This is the parcel right down in the downtown of Coe off McKees Street and Taylor, we all know the property. It had code enforcement issues. Uh, we were able to purchase the property earlier this year. While we're the owners, we want to clear up some of the, uh, uh, entitlements in the property in the sense that it had conflicting land use and zoning. It had a high density land use and a light industrial zoning. And we know that people, uh, had this property stored stuff outside. While we have the ownership, we're gonna change the land use from high debt, from heavy industrial to commercial and rezone the parcel to C two commercial so we can just ensure that it's the right uses in the future. Alright. Thank you sir. Do you wanna read both of those? Yes sir. Item number 11, an ordinance for the city of Ocoee Florida amending the city of Ocoee comprehensive plan as adopted in 1991 as amended to bending the future land use map of the Ocoee comprehensive plan to change the future land use map designation from heavy industrial to commercial for certain real property containing approximately 0.21 acres. Located at one Taylor Street on the north east side of Taylor Street at the intersection of Taylor Street and West McKee Street. Providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city future land use map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency providing for severability, providing for an effective date and an ordinance of the city of Ocoee Florida. Changing the zoning classification from I dash one. Restricted manufacturing and warehousing district to C dash two Community commercial district on certain real property containing approximately 0.21 acres located at one Taylor Street on the northeast side of Taylor Street at the intersection of Taylor Street and West McKees Street. Finding such zoning to be consistent with the Ocoee comprehensive plan. Providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city zoning map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency. Providing for severability and providing for ineffective date. Alright, same thing. We'll go open to public hearing. Do anybody in the public have any comments on item 11 for one Taylor Street? Either a small scale or rezoning. Alright, nobody, we'll close it. Come back. We need, uh, either comments or a motion. We'll start with the small scale. I'll make that motion. Sorry. All right. Motion made by commissioner. Um, Wilson. Wilson. It happens. Don't worry. I was thinking about something else. Second. Do I hear second? I'll second that second about Commissioner Furner. All right. Motion made and seconded. Any more comments on that? Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously on that. Now we need a motion for rezoning. I'll make that motion. Motion. May Mr. Wilson Here second. I'll second. Second it by Mr. Oliver. No more comments. Let's vote. Motion carries you Unanim. Let's move down to 12 second reading of ordinance for ten five nine Oak Way. Papaka Road, Rogers property annexation, uh, zoning manager Wi Whi. Bill, we changed. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Um, commissioners, everybody. This application is for the 10 59 Apopka Road property. The Rogers property is to annex from Orange County into the city. Um, the property's on the east side of Apopka Road. It's about 3,284 feet south of the fullest road, um, intersection. It's a little over five acres in size. It has a, um, low density residential future land use in the, um, this county's JPA city county, JPA future land use map. Um, currently is designated county A one. Um, it's generally used for act purposes now. There's no, um, submittal for developments at the time that this annexation came in. Um, and it's eligible for annexation by virtue of being adjacent to the city's boundaries and it's not creating any new enclaves. So this is an aerial of the property, um, and the surrounding land use categories. And then the surrounding zoning district, um, DRC and PCC both recommended approval and staff is asking for an approval of the annexation for the Rogers property. All righty. Read? Yes sir. Item 12 In ordinance of the city of Ocoee, Florida, annexing into the corporate limits of the city of Ocoee, Florida. Certain real property containing approximately 5.01 acres located at 10 59 Ocoee Apopka Road on the east side of Ocoee Apopka Road, approximately 3,284 feet south of Fuller's crossroad at its intersection with Ocoee Apopka Road and assigned parcel ID number 0 7 22 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 3 pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner finding set annexation to be consistent with the Florida statutes, the Ocoee comprehensive plan, the Ocoee city code and the Joint Planning Area Agreement, providing for and authorizing the update of official city maps, providing direction to the city clerk, providing for severability prevailing in the event of any inconsistency and providing for an effective date. Alright, we're going to open it up to public hearing Item number, what was it? 12? 12? Yes sir. Anybody have any comments? No comments. We'll close. Come back to S here. I need a motion for number 12. I make a motion. Motion made by Commissioner Oliver. Do I hear a second? I'll second. Second by Commissioner Wilson, why don't you say Rosemary, let's vote. That's what I want to say. Just say Rosa Mayor, I would like to say Motion Unanim carries. Sorry Mayor. I would like to say something about that just as an understanding. We, when the, when the city attorney talked about, uh, the joint planning agreement that the county may be taking over what we just did there, uh, the, the county, if they get a get, if they actually remove that JPA or that that joint uh, um, planning agreement, then they will have all the authority to do what we just did. They'll take away our rights to do what we just did. There is just that important that you understand what the county's trying to do and how important it is that we pay attention to what they're doing when it comes to our rights as a city commission, our rights as citizens of OCO to be able to annex property into our city. So I just want to, to say that. Yeah, good point. Alright. Where we are there now these, We just 13? Yeah. All right. Second reading of ordinance for 1102 and 1104 Lakewood, north Lakeview Avenue Lot Property. Annexation the only manager with them. 1102 and 1104 North Lakewood Avenue. Lot property. Also annexation from Orange County to the city. Um, it's on the west side of Lakewood. Uh, about 946 feet north of worst road intersection. Uh, seven point 17 acres in size. Also county. Um, LDR. It's county city LDR County A one zoning, um, is two properties, a smaller one and a larger one. Um, there at the time the annexation application came in, there were no development submittals. Um, and is also eligible for annexation. This is an aerial of the property, the surrounding future line designations and the surrounding zoning districts. And, um, also DRC and PCC made a recommendation for approval and staff is also asking for an approval. Alright, do you wanna Read? Yes, sir. Item 13 in ordinance of the City of Ocoee, Florida, annexing into the corporate limits of the city of Ocoee, Florida. Certain rail property containing approximately 7.17 acres located at 1 1 0 2 and 1 1 0 4 North Lakewood Avenue on the west side of North Lakewood Avenue. Approximately 946 feet south of worst road at its intersection with North Lakewood Avenue and assigned parcel ID. Numbers oh 7 22 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 7 and 0 7 22. 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner. Findings that annexation to be consistent with the Florida statutes. The Ocoee comprehensive plan, the Ocoee City Code and Joint Planning Area Agreement, providing for and authorizing the update of official city maps, providing direction to the city clerk, providing for severability, providing in the event of any inconsistency and providing for an effective date. Alright, we're going to open the public hearing. Anybody for 13 11 0 2, 11 0 4 North Lakewood. No comments. Close the public hearing. Bring it back to the diocese. I need a motion. Take a Motion for annexation. Item 13. Yep. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. Do hear Second. Second. Second by Commissioner Kennedy. No more talk. Let's vote. Thank you. Motion carries unanimously. All right, go to number 14. Second reading of ordinance for 1305 and 1113 Okia Pop Road. MDTL, enterprise only Manager with Thank you. 1305 and 13. Um, sorry. 1305 and 1113 Apopka Road. Uh, annexation from the county to the city. It is on the east side of Apopka Road, about a half mile from Fuller's Cross. 4.32 acres in size county, A one LDR, low density residential generally used for ag purposes. Now. Uh, and the property's eligible for annexation. This is the aerial of the property, the surrounding future land use designations and the surrounding zoning districts. And, uh, DRC and PCC recommended approval and staff is also asking for an approval. Okay, you gotta read the annex section on Yes sir. Item 14. And in order to set the city of OK Coia, Florida, annexing into the corporate limits of the city of OK Coia, Florida, certain rail properties containing approximately 4.32 acres located at 1305 and 1 1 1 3 ok Coia Popup Road, approximately 2,616 feet south of Fuller's Crossroad at its intersection with North Lakewood Avenue and assigned parcel ID numbers 0 7 22 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 9 and 0 7 22. 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 1 Pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner findings, that annexation to be consistent with the Florida statutes. The Ocoee comprehensive plan, the Ocoee City Code and the Joint Planning Area Agreement, providing for and authorizing the update of, of official city maps, providing direction to the city clerk, providing for severability prevailing in the event of any inconsistency and providing for an effective date. Alright, we will open the public hearing to number 14 13 0 5 and 1113 Oakay Pop Road. Any comments from the public? No comments from the public. We'll close the public hearing and bring it up for, I need a motion or a discussion. I'll make a motion To pass. Motion made by Commissioner Kennedy. Do I hear second? I'll second. Second of a Commissioner. Firster. Any more comments? If not, let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. Exhibit 15. Second, read the ordinance for MDTL enterprise, LLC, prop Annexation project, uh, number AX oh 3 2 4 0 4. Zoning manager Whitfield. Thank you Mr. Mayor. This is another, um, annexation from, from the county to the city. It is also on the east side of Vaco pka Road, about 3,300 feet south of Fullers Crossroad. Two point 17 acres in size, uh, load the residential future line designation and county A one zoning, um, parcel oh seven four is, uh, occupied by, by a house. And parcel 1 0 5 is vacant. Um, there are, there were no developments submitted at the time. The annexation applications came in and the properties are eligible for annexation. This is the aerial of the property and the surrounding future land use designations and the surrounding zoning districts. And, uh, DRC and PCC made a recommendation of approval and staff is asking for commission approval of this annexation. Thank you. Item 15 in ordinance set the city of Ocoee, Florida annexing into the corporate limits of the city of Ocoee, Florida. Certain real properties containing approximately 2.17 acres located on the east side of Ocoee Apopka Road. Approximately 3,392 feet south of Fullers crossroad at its intersection with O Coia Papaka Road and assigned parcel ID. Numbers 0 7 22 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 4 and 0 7 22. 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 5 Pursuant to the application submitted by the property owner, said annexation to be consistent with the Florida statutes. The O COE comprehensive plan, the O COE City code and the Joint Planning Area Agreement. Providing for and authorizing the update of official city maps, providing direction to the city clerk, providing for favorability prevailing in the event of any inconsistency and providing for an effective date. Alright, we're gonna open the public hearing for a second. Read of ordinance for MDTL Enterprise Annexation. Anybody in the public have any comments? No comments. We close the public hearing and bring it back up to the di I need a motion or the discussion. Make that motion. Motion. May I come? Mr. Wilson? Do I hear a second? I'll second. Second by Commissioner Kennedy. No more comments. Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. Alright, we gonna start on 16 and we'll go through the process here just like we do in there. And we'll open the public hearing the, uh, the, um, person putting in for it. And the, uh, constituents. I've got, uh, public comment. Mayor, uh, can you read that? Yes. I think I probably should go through this process because this is a spec, a quasi-judicial hearing. Um, this is the process that the commission, uh, uses for, uh, quasi-judicial proceedings. Uh, in cases like this, the first step is, uh, making a statement to the public outlining the quasi-judicial process, which I'm doing on behalf of the mayor now. And the relevant rules of conduct and decorum of this proceeding. The city clerk shall swear in witnesses. Um, the attorneys making legal argument are not required to be sworn. The city commission members shall disclose any ex parte communications related to the request. City staff shall present the application or proposal up to 10 minutes allotted. The applicant shall present its case 15 minutes allotted, of which the applicant may reserve any portion for rebuttal. In addition to the time normally allotted for rebuttal, supporters, objectors and members of the public may make comments. Individuals are allowed five minutes. Each groups are allowed up to 12 minutes per group. With the appointment of a spokesperson. We strongly encourage and recommend the appointment of a spokesperson for all groups. All those in agreement with the speaker may be asked to raise their hands so that the number of persons adhering to the speaker's viewpoint can be recorded In the minutes, the applicant may present any rebuttal up to six minutes allotted for rebuttal. Plus any time reserved from the applicant's case as referenced in subset, uh, that I previously read, then the City Commission members may ask questions, comment on the agenda item and deliberate then the city, uh, commission shall act. Um, the City Commission members may ask questions of speakers or city staff members Cross-examination, uh, of witnesses in closing argument may be allowed by the mayor upon request of a party in interest before the close of the public hearing. After closing of the public hearing. No further public comment shall be allowed when a motion has been made and seconded. The city commission may discuss the motion and shall vote on the on the matter. Formal rules of evidence governing these proceedings in courts in the state of Florida shall not apply here. However, the mayor may exclude testimony and evidence deemed irrelevant, impertinent and unduly repetitious. So Mayor, at this point, I would suggest we follow this a step-by-step process and ask the city clerk to swear in anybody that wishes to speak on this matter now. Well, I've got 12. I don't think they picked the chairman. Okay. Uh, then they should, they should all stand, including any city staff members that intend to testify in this proceeding. And the city clerk can swear them, Everybody that filled out a form for this issue stand up. Alright. So everyone would just hold up their right hand. All testimony shall be under a sworn oath, oath to tell the truth. I just need everyone to say they I do. I You don't have one Mr. Atkins? I, I'm not sure I Go ahead and get it. You fill it out. I'll make sure that means 13. So at this point, mayor, I suggest, uh, going down, uh, the commission list and each commissioner, uh, on making a disclosure about any ex party communication. So if you, as a member of the commission have spoken with any residents or the developer or others, just make that disclosure briefly say what those, uh, discussions involved so that, uh, everyone can understand what, uh, what matters each commissioner has heard or, uh, dealt with outside of this hearing. So to put a time limit on the commissioners. So With, with that being said, um, at what point will we actually disclose any communication that we've had with any members of the, uh, of the public regarding this issue right now at this the time now, now's the time to do so. Yes, I've received, uh, several, uh, emails as we all have. Uh, and yes, I have spoken to, um, at least two to three, um, uh, citizens in the community regarding this, this, uh, project. And, uh, they have, uh, provided me with their concerns. Uh, this pretty much the same thing they provided me, uh, in the email that we've all received. So I have, I have, uh, listened to those concerns and, um, and told 'em that I would take this very seriously. So that's my, my and The nature of those concerns, commissioner were in, of, of Traffic. The nature of those, those concerns were traffic. Okay. Um, uh, as well as, um, traffic calming devices, uh, as well as, um, accidents. Uh, they're concerned about accidents and, uh, just, uh, uh, uh, bombarding that intersection with traffic without any, uh, safety devices, uh, being proposed. So, that's fine. That was the, uh, the nature of my conversation with his Citizens Comm commissioner in that area. Uh, Mr. Mayor, uh, You get, I wanna, in What? I'm gonna come down the line. Okay. Mr. Sson, the only thing I have to disclose is that I read all the emails that we all received. Alright. Which dealt with The same Mr The same kind of concern. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Wilson. I've received multiple emails. Um, I have responded, just telling folks thank you for your comments. I spoke very briefly with Jason Sill from Gray Robinson, which probably lasted about a minute, and telling him that I would be reading the agenda and reading comments from citizens and listening to what everyone has to say tonight to make a decision. And I think most of the comments that I received in emails were regarding traffic trees. Um, one was regarding saying that the sign was not, they did not see the orange sign, but, um, one was inviting me to come look at the property. Um, I did go, I have numerous times ridden in through this, through these, this neighborhood area, and, um, I think that was about it to the best of my recollection. Good. Alright. Commissioner Kennedy? Yes, sir. Uh, before I make my own disclosures, um, I wanted to offer to assist possibly, uh, commissioner Oliver. Uh, commissioner Oliver. I noted that, uh, Leonard Collins represent you or did represent you, and he's a member of Gray Robinson, and I didn't know if you needed to disclose anything related to that, so I just wanted to remind you of that. Yep. Well, um, yeah, does He, But what, what I'm, I'm gonna leave this to counsel. Um, when I was represented by, uh, Mr. Member, uh, Mr. Mr. Collins, it was actually pertaining to a different matter. Yes. Uh, not had nothing to do with this quasi-judicial hearing. So I just want to, uh, relay that to him. Let him give us, uh, some, uh, opinion as to, uh, what has happened because I have been, uh, represented by Greg Robinson in the past, but in a different matter that, That that's not a conflict. You're fine. Okay. Alright. Um, my own disclosures, I did receive, uh, an email, which I have for the record, um, requesting a conference with Mr. S and I declined. Um, and I have spoken with, uh, members, residents, and members of the HOA Prairie Lakes in specific, in response to emails. Um, those discussions related strictly to, uh, the zoning, the planning, and the future options for that area. All right. I've got 13 here. That's we going to, we looking at also, I, But you also should. Uh, I, I'm, I've talked to the, uh, I was sitting in on the staff, uh, the planners meeting, on the staff, meeting with the, uh, developer, with the staff, uh, last week also bunch your emails. I also talked to two or three citizens, different people about it. So Do we need to also state that we've same Spoken to citizens about to do with Traffic, traffic, The railroad, We have to also say we've spoken to staff members. Does that, uh, that that's appropriate? I Did. I did. I may spoke, I spoke to staff members, so, Yes, that's fine. Thank you. Uh, alright. So with that, uh, the staff is to, is now to present the application or proposal for consideration by the city commission. And then after that, the applicant shall present. We read the, you'll have to read the, the two, the two things, Yes. We'll do right after he does his presentation. Mike. Okay. For the record, Mike, rumor Development Services Director, the item before you commission is a rezoning of 37.37 acres, which is comprised of four parcels from unclassified and a residential one, a single family dwelling district zoning to a PUD plan unit development district. The subject parcels are located on the north side of the, the railroad tracks north of AD Mims and east of KOA Pop Road. The current land, future land use designation is low density residential, which affords up to four dwelling units an acre. The property is, uh, has no development. It did have some agricultural trailers and buildings at one time. They've been removed. The property does abut Prairie Lake as this map shows the land use of the subject property is low density residential, uh, part of the application. There is not an ordinance to change that land use to any other density higher than low density residential, such as a medium density or a high density. It's being developed under the current future land use designation. The property is surrounded by, uh, Prairie Lake on the north, the zoning of R one A with the sawmill subdivision. There's three parcels to the east side that have an existing zoning of R one A. On the west side is plan unit development, and I'll explain more of that here in a minute. Then you have Ad Mims Road and, uh, that other wedge is a, that's unclassified is a church Larger view. Uh, the, the parcels to the west that are orange and red are in the prairie Lake PUD plan unit development, which was approved in the eighties. The parcels in red are commercial, of which the city is ownership of a parcel. And in the last couple of years we did sell off the back to Meritage for a town home development. So there is presently in the Prairie Lake Plan unit development two, three parcels remaining to be developed. They are commercial. I have them highlighted here. Track C is commercial. The yellow that I highlight is where we, uh, the development of the most recent town home. And we've had so many, uh, developments out on Prairie Lake Reserve. Maybe, uh, don't wanna miss up the name. Uh, the other parcel highlighted in red is also, it's about 1 2, 1 0.2 acres. It is commercial. So we have existing commercial zoning on those parcels since the eighties. We do not have any applications before us for any development on these commercial parcels. The plan, the, as I said, the Prairie Lake PUD planning development is most, is mostly built out minus the two commercial parcels. So that's where we have the town homes and single family homes along Clark Road with this development. The subject parcel is to the east and not shown on this. It's not a part of the original plan unit development. The subject pro uh, project is an 84 unit town home community. They have a mixture of 24 foot and 20 foot, uh, town homes. Traditional design with multiple buildings. Usually the end caps on this one are the larger units you, the development has, has has over, uh, Uh, has the wetlands over 25 acres of wetlands which are being preserved. There is some of the parcel which is located in Prairie Lake. The area to the east is, uh, the parcels that are zoned R one A, the parcels to the east with the salmon colored and the blue. All of the wetlands, including a 25 foot upland buffer, are all being preserved. There'll be no development, there'll be no tree removal at all. Proposed with this development. The town home community of 84 units has, is providing areas for guest parking. It is providing a conservation or a, a walking path trail and a tot lot as an amenity. The subject development is bordered by the railroad on the south, the wetlands on the north and the east. And it is accessed being proposed to be accessed on the west by an extension of a public right of way dedication. The density of the development at 84 units is under the four dwelling units an acre. If you take it net or gross with this aerial, I'm showing you the right of way that is accessing this subject parcel. This right of way was envisioned and was a part of the subdivision to the north. This, that subdivision dedicated and platted the, the area of land and specifically designated as right of way as the future access to this development. During the negotiations for the town home community, which was, uh, for Meritage, which was purchased and approved by the city, they were required as part of the plan approval to pave past their entrance down to the south along the railroad and put in a cul-de-sac and kind of create the beginning leg of the future road. During fi, final minute contract negotiations, there were some value engineering, some things done, and that paving was not required in order to close. So it has not been, uh, developed as part of that plan. I have highlighted the area on the corner that the city owns, which is the commercial land, which has been that way since the eighties. And we do have retain a strip along Clark Road. I wanna remind you that Clark Road is presently being widened, is anticipated to be completed by mid to late July. And that will provide a full four lanes from just north of Ocoee Vista Parkway to Clair Kona Ocoee Road. This is the plat from the Prairie Lake Reserve Development. And there you can see that it was specifically platted as future right of way track D and access to parcel to the East. And again, the parcel to the east was not a party or part of the original Prairie Lake, PUD from the eighties staff has reviewed the proposed PUD plan, the transitioning or the proposed use of town homes in between the existing town home communities to the west and north or northwest, and to the single family at Sawmill, and see that the development proposed meets all the checklists we would have in the land development code and comprehensive plan. This development is not as typical town homes seeking to amend the future land use designation to achieve eight units an acre, which is generally what you find with most town home developments. They go to a medium density, the subdivision at the next step, which would be a preliminary, preliminary and large scale final site plan, which goes through the public hearing process. They would be required to construct the future track D right of way access to a, an extension of a Coe Vista Parkway. Since the subject site is not proposing to impact wetlands or floodplain, we will verify at the next stage that those are, uh, sufficiently marked and preserved. And there is no impact to those. A traffic study was generated and reviewed. I also wanna say that, uh, provisions for the subdivision that the city sold to have extension of utilities was made with the development. And we have shown those and discuss those at the last meeting. So I wanna go back to the last meeting. This is a, again, this is another second reading of the proposed rezoning and public hearing. There is sufficient school capacity as they were not, as they are not amending the land use to increase the overall density of the lands. They do not have to do a capacity enhancement. There is school capacity, there is capacity with utilities provisions made from the newer development to the west. The storm water ponds will be reviewed with the preliminary final site plan. They will also have to from the city, they will also have to achieve a permit from St. John's River Water Management District. With regards to traffic impacts, there was a traffic impact analysis submitted and reviewed by the city staff City's consultant. The applicant provided that analysis from a transportation professional, which they have here tonight. Just wanted to kind of state this overall traffic impact analysis was a conservative look at the proposed development in that it initially thought the traffic impact analysis was done back in June 2nd, 2023. It looked at 86 units, but it also used ITE from, uh, volume 10. There is now volume 11, which some of the traffic in those studies showed a decrease. Uh, just nominal. But there is just to kinda show that this original traffic study was a little bit more conservative than it could have been, and they have traffic professionals here, as I do. If you have any questions as we go along this project in the future, as stated before, the development review committee, uh, did recommend approval of the rezoning to plan unit development as staff is making that recommendation. And as you know, this commission, uh, initially did have a motion to approve, which failed. Then it had a motion to continue, which was a unanimous. And that's why we are back here today and I am here to entertain any questions that you may have. Thank you. Go. You wanna read? Yes, sir. In ordinance of the City of O coa, Florida, changing the zoning classification from unclassified in R dash one, a single family dwelling district to PUD, planned unit development district on certain rail property containing approximately 37.37 acres, located on the north side of the S-C-E-N-F-C-E and railroad tracks at the terminus of the unimproved Ocoee Vista Parkway, right of way and assigned parcel identification numbers 1 0 2 2 2 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1, 0 2 2 2 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1, 1 0 2 2 2 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 8 and 0 3 2 2 2 8 2 8 3 4 0 1 2 0 1. Finding such zoning to be consistent with the O COA comprehensive plan, providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city zoning map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency providing for severability and providing for an effective date. Mayor, at this point, the applicant is to present its case. All righty. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and commissioners, Jason Sill, gray Robinson, 3 0 1 East Pine Street, Orlando here on behalf of the applicant. I do appreciate the opportunity to be with you, uh, from the continuance of April 16th, as was mentioned, I have 15 minutes of allotted time. I would like to do three things if I may. I'd like to frame the conversation a little bit before we jump into some of the technical points. We have our traffic engineer who prepared our traffic impact analysis here, who will provide some testimony as well as our project engineer who would like to talk a little bit about some of the compatibility of the other items you just heard Mr. Rumor mention in his. But first, if I may, just to frame this a little bit, when we're looking at a rezoning, what standard of review are we to apply? Uh, as was mentioned, we are not doing a comprehensive plan amendment, which has a different standard of review. The reason we're not doing that is because our proposed density is already less than the maximum allowed under the city's comp plan. So since this is only a site-specific rezoning, the standard under Florida law is a quasi-judicial hearing. That was why the city attorney had his introduction and details, which were appreciated and is subject to a competent, substantial evidence standard. You'll hear that word a few times here this evening. So under Florida law, what do I have to do? I have to meet as the applicant my initial burden of dis demonstrating through competent, substantial evidence that my rezoning request complies with your adopted code criteria. Mr. Rumor, in his remarks commented that it did. We concur with that staff report and we appreciate all that staff has done to get us to this point, uh, this evening. Once we satisfy that compliance with the city's code, and I quote from one of the cases I provided to you on the dais, I left several there for you. Together with our, uh, resume for our, our traffic expert quote, the application must be granted unless the opposition carries its burden, which is to demonstrate by competent, substantial evidence that the applicant's requests do not meet the standards. That's the Jesus Fellowship case. So what is competent, substantial evidence Got me multitasking here. Now the staff report is competent, substantial evidence because as is noted in the Jesus Fellowship case, it quote contains relevant, valid evidence which supports the commission's decision. You heard that in Mr. Rumor's presentation. We comply with the adopted code criteria together with the staff report, our presentation, the staff's presentation, and our expert te testimony, we have met our burden to provide the city council with competent substantial evidence in support of the rezoning going back to April 16th, a few more of the cases, what does not constitute competent substantial evidence. Um, general lay opinion testimony under Jesus Fellowship, a city de land case where there was generalized statements and opposition to a project that did not constitute sufficient grounds for a local government to deny a quasi-judicial zoning decision like we have before you tonight, lay witnesses speculation about potential traffic problems and general unfavorable impacts are not considered competent, substantial evidence under Catherine's Bay case. Lastly, generalized fears of increase in traffic or insufficient just justify the denial of rezoning application. That's to be in city of Key West. I'd like to, uh, if I may, bring our traffic engineer, I'm in o City up to offer a few comments regarding his traffic impact analysis. I presume, is it all right if I put him here or should I step back and have him testify here at the same microphone? Am I allowed to not No problem. He can. He can. Okay, thank you. In doing so, if you could please, sir, in doing so, I just want to reiterate as kind of a general overarching thing, we must evaluate this rezoning like any development application based solely upon the quote, definite objective criteria adopted in your regulations. The compound of the city code, as Mr. Rumor in his presentation confirmed, we suffice adding anything to that or basing your decision on anything. But that is not permitted under Florida law. That's the omni point holdings case. Mr. Mayor, may I make a point of order? Point of inquiry? Yeah. Um, of the city attorney, acting City attorney? Yeah. Um, Mr. Attorney, hold on a minute. You got the clock stop. Alright, thank you. Um, can you please comment on the role of a witness before the quasi-judicial hearing or an applicant and who is supposed to brief the commission on matters of the law versus matters of the fact? Could you please explain? Yeah, glad to. The, the applicant and, and any member of the public is, um, free to provide whatever, uh, testimony they'd like to provide so long as it's relevant. Um, the mayor has the authority, uh, to, to hold someone out of order of fee if they're going off topic, commissioner. So if they're out of line, talking about things that are not relevant at all, but with respect to this, um, as long as the witness is here in the, in the attorney are addressing matters per pertinent to this hearing, uh, uh, they should be able to proceed Matters of Law. Well, they can give their opinion about the law. That's part of their presentation. Just an opinion. Yes, correct. Thank you. Please. All right. Start clock back. Thank you. Uh, if I may, um, with the standard of you covered and kind of framing our conversation and knowing the focus from the April 16th conversation was regarding traffic impacts, I'd like to have Ayman come up and say a few words about our traffic study and our traffic engineering, um, expert. Have him introduce himself. If you could please a bit about your education training as is in the resume that you have before you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Amandi. I'm a registered professional engineer in the state of Florida, professional license number 5 6 8 4 9. I, um, have, uh, 29 years of experience in traffic engineering field. Graduated bachelor's degree in 95 and a master's degree in traffic engineering in 97. Uh, been working since in Orlando, uh, mainly in the specialty of traffic engineering. Um, I was the engineer of record and the traffic analysis, uh, that was conducted for this project, uh, was, uh, dated June, 2023, was the latest version of the study. Traffic study was submitted, uh, was prepared in accordance with the guidelines of the traffic impact analysis, uh, approved by City of Ocoee. It was also based on the approved, uh, methodology that was reviewed by the city's traffic consultant, Kimberly Horn. And, um, the, also, as part of the analysis, we were requested to do a signal warrant study for the intersection of Clark Road and oi, uh, Vista Parkway, uh, to, uh, in addition to the traffic impact analysis, which was also submitted, both studies were combined in one report. It was reviewed by Kimberly Horne, the city's traffic, uh, consultant. We addressed all the comments that were provided by the series consultant and we submitted the latest version for, uh, 2.2 dated June, 2023. The results of the, uh, signal warrant study shows that the signal is not warranted with the projected traffic from the existing plus project traffic at the intersection. Um, and I am here to, uh, answer any further questions. Thank you. Thank you, Aman. Um, as you can see from his resume, almost 30 years of experience in the field, uh, continuing services contracts with Orange County, city of Apopka, cities of Oviedo, unless there's an objection I'd like to offer, I'm an ASEE as a expert in the field of transportation planning and engineering. Um, we heard his comments. Oh, no, no. Objection. Yeah, I ahead. Thank you. Uh, thank you. Um, I do wanna bring in my remaining time here. I do wanna bring Jeff Summit up. He's our project engineer to highlight a couple of the points that Mr. Rumor presented in his regarding compatibility. So if you would please, Jeff, um, a bit about yourself and your role in the project, and then some points that you'd like to make regarding compatibility. Sure. Thank you Jason. Uh, Jeff Summit, summit Engineering 3 6 6 7 Simonton Place. Lake Mary. I am, I'm also a professional engineer register state of Florida. Been practicing for about 30 years in central Florida. Just real quickly, I wanted to touch on a couple of things in regards to Mr. Ru's presentation and, and just bring these items to the, the commission's, uh, attention is that when we looked at compatibility, which is part of what zoning and land use and all these things are, when you look at what we are proposing in our site plan, we're proposing 20 foot lots and 24 foot lots. So when you go back and you actually look at Prairie Lake Reserve and you look at Prairie Meadows and you look at those plats that were recorded and those developments as they exist today, what you're gonna see is you're gonna see, gonna see a combination of 24 foot lots and 20 foot lots in those two developments as well. It's actually a little bit smaller in Prairie Lake Reserve. So when we talk about compatibility of uses, not only are we proposing the exact same type of use with the other two developments that are already there today, we're also doing the exact same size lots that those two developments currently have. And when you, it's hard to get more compatible in regards to density and lot size than we are currently proposing with this application. And that's really all I wanted to touch on was just to expand that a little bit. Thank you. Um, at this time, I would like to save, if I could, the remaining six minutes of the 15 minute allotment together with the six minute, um, rebuttal time that's allotted under the city's adopted procedures for after the public comment. Please, if I may, uh, myself, um, Iman and Jeff are of course here for any, any questions you may have. Um, and look forward to revisiting this on rebuttal after the public comment. Thank you. All right. So you've read that, right? You read the, you read both? Yes, sir. Alright. We're gonna open the public hearing. Yes, sir. Alright. I'm gonna open the public hearing. I will call you. I will call off each one please. No talking over whoever's talking and no talking from the audience unless you've got a form filled out to come up. Alright. The first one will be young lady. A, a durden, something like that. Sorry. Hear it. That's all right. I couldn't hardly read it. Come on up. Each person gets five minutes. Up to five minutes. All right. Thank you ma'am. So, hi, my name is Angela. I'm one of the, um, homeowners in Perry Meadows. And, um, congestion is something very important for me. I actually relocated from South Florida to up, up here for that. And, um, I would love for the community to stay that way where it's small and, um, decrease the traffic de uh, and preserve the, the beautifulness of this, of this community, the lakes. And having, having been able to, to see the, the scenery as well. Um, unfortunately with more construction that I've seen, you know, it adds more, more traffic, more noise, um, and just takes away from, from the, from the beautiful scenery of Ocoee. Um, so hopefully, you know, just moving forward and just, uh, keeping the community as it is, that should be enough. Um, and, and maintain it as a small hometown. That's all. Are you done? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Uh, Chris Atkins? I haven't heard the notice in, so, huh? I haven't heard the notice in I know. Okay. Headed to the city clerk. Most surprised I got in front of others. I was gonna wait to see everybody to see What you have to say. I don't want stuff on anyone's. Hmm. Actually, can I have that for a second, please? I had made some notes. Uh, and do you mind if I grab my glasses? Sir, Go ahead. Your time's eaten up. I apologize. We say the time's running. Uh, my name's Chris Atkins. I live in the Brentwood Heights subdivision, uh, 25 year resident. Uh, I had a quick question and I was wondering if you could, uh, explain to all of us specifically why we're having a quasi judicial, uh, process here this evening. It's something that a lot of people probably have not, um, come used to seeing, and I think maybe, if possible, if you could stop my time and explain exactly what that is, I would greatly appreciate it. Alright. Stop it a minute. We went over that while ago. That's why I read that earlier. Go ahead. Yes. This, this is a question of a rezoning of a piece of property. The comprehensive plan is a legislative decision that's already been made and adopted by the city. This is a zoning question, and there are particular rules and regulations that, uh, that are in place. Now, the question is whether there's competent, substantial evidence presented to the commission as to whether, uh, those requirements are met. Um, and so it's, uh, it's about that evidence and your testimony that you give today is part of that evidence that the commission can, can consider. Excellent. So it's, uh, just to make sure that I understand, it's a semi judicial system where, uh, the commission is gonna be able to make the decision on the rezoning of this particular property at the request of the applicant. No, every rezoning, the rezonings we had earlier, they're always all quasi judicial. Mm-Hmm. It, that's the process. It's just a little bit more formality brought to this, this item. Okay. But every, uh, every rezoning item is a Quas idea. Should Judicial perfect. And it was put forth, uh, to the public just today. A, uh, as mentioned, or was it prior? Mayor, I'm happy to address it. This, this is a, this is not the question and answer time. If you have testimony relevant to the application, this is the time to present it. Okay. The process has been set and established by the city commission. And so you're in that process right now. Um, this, the, the reason we went through the rules and regulations with respect to that is because it was clear this is a con a relatively, uh, uh, um, disputed, uh, matter. They're people of concern. So now's your opportunity to provide that, uh, testimony. Okay. I appreciate that. I just wanted to, to make sure that, you know, everyone was, was aware of that. Uh, so if I have a, a, a complete understanding, we want to go from an RR one. We want to put, um, 84 town homes. Is that, is that correct? Yes. Unclassified. You need to, Yeah. So my, my concern is here is we have a standard of, uh, I believe it was 20 to 24 foot, uh, lots. And the applicant is stating, you know, what we're doing is, uh, we are, uh, utilizing your standard prior, which is, um, pretty high density, but not the highest. It, it could be. But my concern is here, and it's been stated many times, is that you're going from an R one, which is substantially less density to a particular standard of the surrounding town homes. I think that it could be better served to the community for lots of reasons, uh, to allow it to stay at its zoning the way that it is, or at least maybe, uh, reconsider, um, you know, whether or not we want to go and rezone it from R one all the way to what's already specifically on that corner. I know we made some exceptions to build that corner out, but I don't know if it's necessarily wise for us to, uh, use that model to continue to grow down that road. It, it's just a very tough area. I don't think that it takes any of us to question, uh, that, and right now you have the opportunity to, uh, keep that from becoming so saturated and maybe strike a compromise, I guess is what I would say. Uh, in that instance. I'm not saying, uh, no, uh, it's a nice piece of property, it's lakefront. Um, but whether or not we need to mimic, uh, what we have in that same area, uh, I don't know would be necessarily wise. But every one of 'em is gonna do the same way. In short, if you don't rezone it, it does, they can't, it can't be built. Right. It has to stay R one. So it's at your discretion whether or not this is built or not. Is that correct? Perfect. Well, as an individual who's lived there for over 25 years, and I love the small town feel as well, I also care about, uh, our children in the, in the, in the traffic that's presented within the communities. When we start to build at such a high density, I would really prefer us to stay a little bit more at R one zoning if we can. Uh, because what happens is that we tend to annex a lot of R one properties that you saw today. And then what'll happen is the builder will come in and then they'll just add density to it. Well, there's a reason it was originally R one in the first place, and I think in the long run, overall city values, property values, it's not gonna be, um, high density. Every other community has that. I appreciate your time. Thank you, Robert. Tony, How's it going guys? I don't have a speech written or anything, but I'm a resident of Prairie Lake Reserve. I see that there is a lot of construction going on in the area. You guys are talking about competent and substantial evidence coming from people who don't even live in the area to have that competent and substantial evidence. I don't know if you realize, a couple years ago, actually, about maybe three or four years ago, I brought, uh, I brought it up to, um, the city when I was here. It was in the other building regarding the lake. I used to fish across the street. They built town homes on top of the lake. They drained the lake, they put town homes there. Now they're putting, they're widening the road right where they put the town homes. So if you look at the street all the time, I would see holes in the wall. And there's a neighborhood right across the street that had holes in a brick wall. 'cause people speeding on the road, they turn hit the wall. It's like Kool-Aid Man hits the wall every single time. I don't know what's going on, but now you're gonna add another road straight through the neighborhood that goes through my road. There was just an accident there a couple weeks ago, um, about right by the fire station. Not only that, but to add so many additional units right behind the location where I live, add the additional people. The more people you add comes to more crime, we decide to drive by shooting down the street. Then out here, they want to add another seven 11. We have a down a mile down the road. We have a bp, we've got a, we've got a Chevron like quarter mile around and down the road. We've got a, we've got a Circle K. It is like one, one is enough enough. It is every single piece of land that we have in the city that makes the co look like the city of Ocoee is being torn down. I love going on the West Orange Trail as a selling point, living there, new developments coming right there. Tore down a whole bunch of roads. Doesn't look the same. I don't been anywhere else in Orlando or St. Cloud, any of those cities. It's a disaster with traffic. And that seems to be what's going on everywhere. I don't know who's paying you guys the additional funds to get these projects done. If they're gonna add all the additional traffic, why are they not the ones fronting the bill for all the taxes for us that we're paying for to get the, to get the, to get the city, the, the roads, the roads riding and stuff like that. They, they could put some effort into maybe pressure washing the sidewalk, you know, cleaning up the street. I see it, it, it, I don't know. It, it just looks like a mess. It's starting to, it's starting to degrade. I got out of Orlando to go to a Coie because I like the small town feel. I grew up in Florida my whole life. I've been here. It's been a small town and it, it's going away. And that's my concern. It's not just the traffic, it's also crime. It's extra people during Covid, it was a weird time. You had randoms walking around, walking through the backyard, stuff like that. If that's the case, when you add the additional town homes, what do you think is gonna happen into other town homes? You're gonna have random people that are coming to visit, walking through our neighborhood, walking to the neighborhood that they just built across the street and us enough. It's just too much. So that's my concern. Thank you, sir. Alfred Ilia. All right. Good evening. The name is Alfred Elia and uh, I've lived at Switchgrass Circle in Prairie Lake Reserve since my house was built in 2009. I plan to be there for the duration. The already at times dangerous intersection of a Coe Vista and Clark Road. We'll become even more dangerous as traffic will increase on Clock Road after the widening project, it will be the only four lane North South road through O coi. And those who stayed away from it due to the backup at Clear Kona Coi Road will now find it to be their best route. And we will lose the built-in braking zone created by the current merge to one lane at COI Vista. Drivers familiar with Clark Road currently slowed down in anticipation of that merge point. Once that is gone due to widening, even though the speed limit is now 45, I believe we can anticipate speeds of 50 55, even 60 past to coa Vista. Similar to what happened on Clair Kona O coa road After their widening and after their speedway smooth paving. This will add to the difficulty of turning south on Clark from a co vista. When this widening is complete, imagine waiting to turn south on Clark with two or three cars behind you. Now imagine it with eight to 10 cars behind you. Then you hear one car horn, then another impatient driver hits their horn, adding to the pressure on the lead driver waiting to turn that uncomfortability could lead that driver to take a riskier chance they otherwise would not have taken. Accidents can happen. And then there is the matter of tree removal. It's not just the aesthetic aesthetics of shade and noise reduction. My concern is we currently have a natural protection against high winds according to the USDA forest service in a windbreak where the tallest trees are 30 feet lower wind speeds are measurable for 60 to 150 feet on the windward side and up to 900 feet on the leeward side, trees absorb energy and help slow down winds. Once trees are removed, we can anticipate higher wind velocities through that corner of Reary Lake Reserve. And considering that storms are becoming more violent and more often higher wind velocities could contribute to home damage, which in today's insurance climate could lead to catastrophic results. So I ask that you consider my comments as you make your decision. Thank you for allowing me to speak. Thank you, sir. David Brennan. Okay, this one. Hello. Um, my name's David Brennan and I live in Forest St. Oaks, not Sawmill, which is the property right next to the proposed development. Um, I really have a couple of issues. Don't have the overhead available, I guess today. I can try. Give it a shot if you can. We go. The first one is environmental. Um, that area right there is heavily wooded. It's a cons, should be a conservation area. It has bald eagle nests there, it has ground tortoises there. Black bears have been seen through there. Um, all kinds of wildlife and bird life that live in in that area. Alligators, of course, it confronts Perry Lakes. So we have all the wa the wetland wildlife there too, and you guys are gonna lose a lot of Animals as a result of it. Some of those animals are on the endangered species list. Black bear is under management plan. Um, the bald eagle is imperiled and it's illegal to disturb its nest. Now I understand you've had that issue in other areas and you give 'em 25 feet around the bottom of the tree. Not really very much the grand tortoise. It has to be relocated. There's, there's just a lot of things to be considered there and I know that money talks, but you're gonna lose a lot of wildlife and trees. Um, okay, God's conservation. The second thing I have is the density use for the residents. How many houses? You can put, it's four per acre, but how do you measure the acreage? According to miss wet fields, you measure it on the gross of 37 acres, even though you can't build on 25 of those acres because they're wetlands. So how can you consider all 37 acres if you can only build on 16 of them? And if you can only build on 16 acres, that's only 66 units, not 84 units. Something's not right there. The math doesn't work. Either you can build on it or you can't build on it. And um, the last thing is this city's really been sold a lot. A lot of people have the same concern that I do. I moved to OCO because it was a small rural community, close to an urban area. I liked it a lot. I didn't stand future use plants and everything else, but, but, um, I dunno how to say this. I think the city is for sale and maybe we ought to change the motto from Center of Good Living to for sale to the highest bidder. That's Enough. I couldn't understand what he said. Would you say that clearly? Yeah. I'd make a motion that we change the city motto from the son of good living to for sale to the highest or highest bid. Well, you can ask them to vote for it. They might want to do It. I don't Anybody gonna second the motion? There's a second. All those in favor raise your hand. You gotta you gotta get elected first. That's what we got you here for. Not the gate. Some guy from Park, sir. I mean, you can call it what you want, but most of these people are not gonna sell their house. It's still gonna be the center of good living. So finish up. You got a minute and 39 seconds. Okay, I'm back. And I I will, I will tell you that if if there's an eagle there, they can't build around it. Sir, you know that and I know it. They can't. 25 feet. The law says you cannot build within a thousand feet, 500 or a thousand feet of that eagle. Yeah. Know what he says. So that's, you can't bother where the eagle's at. All right. You through. Yeah. Okay. Chris Rogers Better not go to Winter Garden. Hello? Oh, Hello everyone. I'm Chris Rogers. I am a resident of, uh, Prairie Lake Reserve. And uh, my concern about this is, I don't wanna sound like a broken record, but it's the, the traffic around that area and how dangerous it is, especially if you're coming from towards the direction from ad mins and you go turning into the neighborhoods that turn is really sharp and we have to like, almost go to a stop. And because the road the way it is, we almost get rear ended every time. Yes. Trying to get in there and adding more development in that road, there is just gonna be congested and we're gonna have lots, lots of accidents happening from there. And, uh, especially when it turns into there, you get close to that railroad, it's kind of thin. I know it doesn't really show that much on the map, but it is kind of thin and I'm just concerned that there's just gonna be some more accidents there leading into some things. So that's just it. Thank you. No Problem. Sue Lane, Gonzales? Yes, please. Yep. Okay. Uh, good evening. My name is Sue Lane. I am a resident of Forest Oaks. Um, I do understand that there is a witness, IM sorry, an expert in traffic engineering, but who's the expert in human driving behaviors in 2024. I have here picture of my car accident on Clark Road because someone ran the stop sign on OCO Vista. This was July, 2019. So, and I understand they said the expansion is gonna be past oco Vista. So what's gonna happen with the cars that have to merge from the left lane onto the right lane, right in front of Oco Vista? I mean, that's just a recipe for disaster, especially the cars jumping, trying to go southbound. Plus you have your emergency vehicles also trying to make that same jump. Um, also, I just wanna, uh, make a comment about the school issue. And since that a while back, I'm just gonna scroll it here. We did have an issue where a resident on Rich Drive in a Forest Oaks had to call in Ocoee PD because parents were blocking private driveways and impeding the mailman from doing his job. So Ocoee, PD did have to come out onto Forest Oaks, Prairie Lake Boulevard, and they were there stationed, you know, watching traffic and all that. But understandably, they can't be there every day directing parents because you know, what ensures us that families that are gonna be in this new town homes are not gonna do the same thing as other parents and use our community to not go through the car loop and rather just fill up R Street and block private driveways because they don't wanna do the car loop. And they would rather their kids cross the road on Hackney Prairie and go into our community. Um, also jumping on the topic of animals, uh, this was my visitor, uh, uh, 2022. Uh, I had to call Fish and Wildlife and they basically told me that there's nothing that they can do because this is an adolescent looking for new territory. So what does that mean? That all the new construction around our area has pushed all these animals out of their habitats and they're looking for new homes in our homes, which families, I'm sorry, that's just not safe. And we have to understand that it's not them coming after us, you know, it's us invading their space. Uh, sorry, this is my second visitor a couple months after, and I don't own the biggest yard in for Forest Oaks. So imagine in, you know, someone with a bigger yard. I'm pretty sure they're seeing more of these animals coming into their, uh, backyards. And this is my third visitor, a mama with her cubs. So, um, I just wanna say like, you know, I, I don't feel comfortable that these animals are being pushed out of their habitat. So if their natural home, they're coming into our homes and we can't blame it on them. It's not their fault. They're the ones being pushed out. Um, and like, uh, somebody else said, you know, the reason why my husband and I moved to Koi was because of the simpleness, the humility, you know, the, just the, the beauty of ko. You know, we came here about 10 years ago hoping to start a family here in Ocoee. And, uh, that's still in our plans, but you know, we just will love it if Ocoee stayed just beautiful and simple the way it's always been. Thank you. Thank you ma'am. Joe Fanna. Good evening. My name is Joe Fanna and I'm the president of Prairie Lake Reserve, HOA in District four. As stated at the April 16th meeting, I would first like to state that I would support growth in our community and, but do not, but I do not fully oppose the Gardenia Point Pro Project. However, representing the homeowners in our neighborhood, we have great concern about the proposed exit of this neighborhood onto the existing, um, extension of a coa Vista Parkway. Now, I agree with most points today, and I will not be redundant. A study, um, won't show this, but emergency vehicles leaving the firehouse at 1600 Clark Road already struggles to exit from a coa Vista Parkway in the event of an emergency. As traffic will become very backed up, they already struggle to exit onto Clark Road, as was evident by a near fatal accident at this location on May 7th. Concernings, um, concerns, excuse me, regarding this project were made at the two 13 planning and zoning, zoning meeting, the commissioner's meeting on four 16 and today we have yet to see any legitimate proposals on how to make this project viable and safe for current residents by changing the zoning, reconfiguring the planning of the community to allow for an exit onto 80 Mims, uh, put in a traffic light on Clark and a COA Vista, maybe keep the existing zoning for single family dwellings that would reduce the size of the community Gardenia point significantly from the current projection of 84 units. I humbly ask that you consider these options and vote your conscience. Thank you. Thanks sir. Jan Rogers. Hello. Good evening, honorable mayor, commissioners, neighbors. I just have a few points because, uh, our people here have brought forth some very concerned issues. I've heard a lot about traffic, I've heard about engineering, but I, um, as a native of the area, I am a graduate of West Orange High School. I grew up around here. I relocated here in 2015 and am an owner at Prairie Lake. And I'm also a licensed active realtor. And something that has not been pointed out yet is the concern of external obsolescence. For anyone who is not familiar with what that term means, it means that your property may have been built and then subsequently something has been added that devalues the property. In our case, external obsolescence would be if you remove all of that buffer of trees. The gentleman mentioned the wind problem, that's part of it as well. We'll have to get wind mitigation now. Um, but the dirt and the sludge and the exhaust fumes and all of the things that are gonna be on that road and on that train track. And also on Mims Road, we have from my back door, we have no protection. So that will cause our homes to be, uh, what do I say, a little nervous if you, you gotta help me out guys. But our homes are gonna be devalued and it's going to cost more upkeep. It's gonna have, we're gonna have to clean them more. We're probably gonna have our insurance raised as part of it. But there are a lot of things in addition to the wildlife and everything that we have already talked about in 2015, I specifically bought there because it was in the middle of a beautiful forest. I look out my window and I see green, I have a wrought iron fence and I see greenery. And then it looks to me like it's maybe only like 25 feet, I'm not sure. But then there's a railroad. So we already have to deal with the railroad going through three times. I mean, the train going through three times a day. But to add a street and completely take away that foliage, I'm gonna be sitting on the street now and I can't have that. That's going to take the value of my home and any home along there and it's gonna ruin it and it's also gonna cause problems for our home. Thank you. Thank you ma'am. Uh, uh, Andrea Jones. Hello, I'm Andrea Jones. I live in Prairie Lake Reserve. Um, I spoke here before I spoke at the, well, we, a representative, ours spoke at the planning and zoning, also spoke at the meeting on the 16th of April. Brought up the exact two same issues, the traffic increase, specifically turning left onto Clark Road, and then the increased noise, um, that's gonna be caused by the vegetation that's gonna be removed. Specifically in order to put the access road. We had a vote on April the 16th. The developer after the vote did not go in their favor, stated that they wanted the ability to come back and to address the public concerns. Great. However, during their presentation, not a single concern was addressed. In fact, on their presentation it stated that the public are now described as lay witnesses whose speculation about potential traffic problems. Light and noise pollution should not be considered as a competent, substantial evidence. Wow, that's pretty crushing. Not a single, not a single item was given to us that would address our concerns. Traffic study. Fantastic. I'm sure that traffic study meets every single dots, every I crosses every t. That doesn't mean it's the best thing to do for the koi residents. It really doesn't. That's your job to decide. Is there traffic study right for us, right For our city, right? For everybody that drives up and down Clark Road, I don't know my suggestion, it's already zoned for single family homes. Keep it as single family homes, less numbers of cars driving up and down and sure, do we need an access road? Maybe they still need an access road. Perhaps we can come up with some solutions that will mitigate all the other issues that we've just heard. I hadn't actually considered the dirt and the impact and the grime from removing all the trees. That's very valid too. Wind mitigation, those trees serve a huge purpose for us. And just taking care of them and just stripping them down so that we can build a subdivision for 84 more homes when it's, I mean, I don't even know how many single family homes you can fit on that property, but it's not 84. Maybe that would serve our community better. I don't know. Thank you for giving me the time to talk. Thanks. Thank you. Nope, nope. Uh, Christopher Webster, her Naomi, Um, Nicole Webster. Nicole. Hi everyone. Um, so, so my, again, my name is Nicole Webster. I have lived in the community of Prairie Lake for over 15 years. Um, since I've been there, like everybody said, when we moved here, it was small, quaint. I loved it in the last few years, it's terrible. It's gotten worse, the traffic. And each year it seems like it's getting worse. But my big concern is my children, they've lived there since they were five. Now they're in going to high school. And next year I'm very concerned because you're actually going to be bused because you're gonna be going to a cowi high. So I think of my children because they, right now my son stands at that corner right by a Cowa Vista and Clark Road. That's where the bus stop is. That's where all the kids are bused. So I'm super concerned with the traffic safety. They walk in the dark across the street to stand right there. And the kids that also walk to Prairie Lake, they can't be bused because the school is less than two miles. So they're walking along that road to go to school. So that's already a big safety concern for traffic. Um, turning already, as we know from Lyft, from a co vista is treacherous. We all know that it's a super, super treacherous road. Um, and then what is now happening is that backup from Clark Coi is backed all the way up. It's about 50 cars up to Prairie Lake. We can't even get in or out our own neighborhoods just to do what we need to do on a daily basis. And it's worse during rush hour times. Actually now every hour is rush hour it seems. Um, people speed all the time. There's no care or no concern. The two neighborhoods that already are there, it's bad enough. 'cause when I lived there, there was just trees. All I saw was birds, beers and everybody else. Now that the new town home neighborhood is there, we are being mindful of each other. 'cause now there's other cars coming. Can you imagine a third neighborhood? That's terrible. Nobody's considering our children in all this because I mean, we already have enough fatalities that are outside of neighborhood. So can you imagine it on our own streets? Um, I know he talked about the accident that just happened and I actually was there for that though. I couldn't get into my neighborhood for over an hour because somebody slammed into the back of the fire truck right in front of our community. And that just happened last week. So, I mean, there's big safety concerns for me anyway. And last but not least, like I said, I'm very concerned with all this. If we could come up with some different solutions that does not impede the emergency vehicles and the safety of our children going along that way, we are definitely open to it. Thank you. Thank you. Alright, that was the last one. Mr. Mayor, can we take a short three sentence? Yes. Thank you. Well, are we allowed to? Yeah. Yeah. If you let me finish what I was going to do. Yes, sir. I'm sorry. You know, uh, we're gonna take a five minute break. Five minutes. Thank you. Applicant's rebuttal. What is it? Six minutes plus 12 minutes. 12 minutes. 12 minutes. Thank you, mayor. Jason Ser again for the record. 12 minutes. I appreciate that. And if I may, I took, uh, I took notes of each of our 11 speakers. I broke them out by their category. I'd like to address, let's say seven of the 11 right off the bat. And then, uh, after that I'll bring in, um, Iman, and we can talk about some of the traffic related specifics there. Um, I'm just gonna go right down my list. Uh, the speaker number one, the, the lady talking about the small hometown field of the city. Page two of the staff report, if I could, Mike, highlights, Um, under proposed development, 3.43 units per acre is our density. That is less than the maximum allowable under the city's comprehensive plan. Right above that, the table, those are the surrounding properties, all of which have the same LDR low density residential and or conservation that we have. Which, if you flip back, please, Mr. Rumor to page one is there, um, is identified right there for our property. So it's low density residential future land use, whether it's rezoned or not. General comment, uh, we cannot build or develop an unclassified land. So it has to be, um, it has to be zoned for a particular loose use. So, so the kind of the don't do anything is obviously not an option. The second, uh, speaker, the gentleman about the quasi-judicial process questions. Thank you city attorney for answering those. Uh, the third speaker current zoning category R one A, the R one A. As I understand it, Mr. Summit can elaborate on this. So we need to, portion of the property is not included as part of the area of the property that we're gonna develop with this project. He's nodding his head in agreement. I can talk, we'll, we'll elaborate on that if we need to. I just wanna be mindful of my time. We're gonna skip over the fourth speaker. That's, uh, intersections. We're going to do that with, uh, with arm on here in a minute, man. Number five, wildlife considerations and the eagle. Some rough back of the plan. Uh, math, 62% of the property is conserved for open space and conservation. Um, 51% if you just consider the lakefront area and the wetlands. Both those numbers obviously are greater than, uh, that's the majority of the property is being conserved on the eagle. Uh, I drew a line. This is the LUP that goes along with the PUD in your materials. This is in the staff report. Just drew the area there around the eagle's nest. That is protected, as you can see, quite a big area. So very mindful and very, um, very much focused on the wildlife preservation aspects that this plan presents, uh, for the city to consider. Crash data analysis and traffic conec congestion. The gentleman who spoke sixth and the lady who spoke seventh, will come back to some specific crash data analysis here with an expert in a minute. Uh, intersection and exit concerns. We'll talk with, uh, Amman in a minute about the traffic warrant signal analysis that he did. That's the man who spoke as number eight. Number nine, devaluation of homes in your case packet that I provided to you. The Catherine's Bay case. There's actually, um, a discussion regarding layperson testimony on the devaluation of homes relative to future, um, future development or approval project, which is exactly the point she was attempting to make. That was refuted in the Catherine's Bay case I provided. So that's not competent substantial evidence. Traffic impact analysis, um, lady number 10, quote, dotted every I and crossed every T in preparing our traffic impact analysis. Thank you for that compliment, lady. Number 11. Uh, the last speaker, uh, traffic backup concerns. Um, I do wanna say, and I just wanna get it on the record, we talked about in April, the 2006 City right of way acquisition. And Mr. Rumor talked about this in his, um, his presentation. That right of way that we're using for our exit is public right of way. And it's been there for, um, what's 2006, almost 20 years ago. So if I may, in the last seven minutes that I have for my rebuttal, could I please allow you to elaborate a little bit regarding the nearby intersections, why no traffic signal was warranted, and a bit about the crash data, please. Yes. Thank you. Uh, again, I, traffic and mobility consultants, uh, this is, this is a report, uh, that we pulled from the signal for analytics. This is the database for, uh, DOT that they upload all the crash history. Uh, mind you, they're always about 60, 90 days behind. Hold on just a second. Can way you can bring that in closer. I, I'm gonna pause the timer real quick. We have hard copies. I'd be happy to Answer. I know, but we want to Yeah. Where they can see it in the audience. Is it okay if I pause real quick? Yeah. I need to get, All right. Hold on just a second. We wanna make it, Thank you. Sure. Thank you. We wanna make sure you can see it too. I also have hard copies I can hand out, Take a hard shot. Great. Thank you. They're here. Give me Two seconds. I'll talk to Oz. John. Yes, correct. That's I think one for everybody. This is what he is looking at. Thank you. Does it need to point at the machine or using in the tv? Yeah, we will. We will. All right. Yeah. Thank you. So, so this is the, uh, as I was mentioning earlier, the crash history at the intersection of Clark Road and Koi Vista Parkway. That's the intersection. The, the data was from January 1st, 2018 until March 14th, 2024. So that's the latest. The data was available. We don't have May and we don't have April and we don't have half of March. 'cause, 'cause that's, that's the latest information that's updated. So this crash data shows that basically in six years, just over six years, there was a total of 11 crashes at that intersection. Zero fatalities. Out of those 11, there was one serious injury or five injuries that are not serious. So that's, that just gives you, again, an idea of the amount of crashes that took place at that intersection in the, because the signal warrant study was done in 2023. So just to, to see what happened from January, 2023 until March 14th, 2024. So from the time we did the signal warrant study until today, there was one accident at that location, uh, not until today, sorry, until March 14. I know, I'm aware that there was an accident sometime in May that just happened. That's not reflected in here. Um, so the, one of the signal warrant crashes, uh, one of the signal warrants in this study relates to a number of crashes and types of crashes and the types of crashes that can be resolved by a traffic signal. So I go back to the result of the signal warrant that includes crash analysis that showed that, again, the number of crashes does not warrant having a traffic light as far as the, um, intersection, the signal at, uh, Clark and Ad Mims. Um, we can, there, there can be some adjustments done in the, in the field to the traffic signal timing after this project is done. And even after the widening where there can be adjustments done to the traffic signal timing, that can help, uh, depends on how the traffic is gonna behave in the future. The timing can be adjusted, but as far as the signal itself, it is, it will, it is projected to operate at an acceptable level of service based on the projected traffic. And Thank you. And, and thank you. If I may, just to underscore a point, the traffic impact analysis had your conclusion regarding the traffic signal warrant analysis. Yes. Correct. And that Correct. That's part of the traffic study, correct. Thank you. And that traffic study that you prepared, the one that we've been discussing, the one that we talked about earlier that was submitted to the city. Correct. And that was reviewed by their consultant? Correct. And that is the James Taylor with Kimley Horn? Yes, sir. Who's here in attendance as well. Correct. They concurred with your signal warrant analysis and the findings of your traffic impact analysis. Yes, sir. Um, I believe that was it from my running list of the 11 speakers. Um, I'd love to preserve, if I could, the three minutes by remaining rebuttal time to the extent that there's some future item that's not been previously addressed. We would appreciate the opportunity to address them. Again, we're here for any questions. Um, and we appreciate your consideration. Alright. I'm going to, you got three minutes, so I'm going to ask our traffic, our traffic consultant for the city to come up and make the comments. Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Commission, uh, James Taylor from Ley Hor and Associates. I was engaged by the city to review everything that came in from the applicant regarding traffic, uh, from the, the methodology, which is the assumptions that go into the report to make sure that they're consistent with city's code and and requirements for the traffic. Um, we did have some back and forth with comments along the way. Received the traffic study, uh, agreed with their findings after a couple of comment responses, uh, re requested that there be a signal warrant, uh, performed at that intersection and concurred with the findings that the volumes in the crash data do not warrant a signal at this time. Alright, thank you. All right. You, you're, I'm going to bring it up to the Das. Well, uh, yes, that's correct. We'll Stand for any questions, but we're, I'm Finished. It's up to if any of the commissioners have questions, uh, We'll bring it up to the das. Now, let commissioners ask questions or go. Alright. How do you want us to go? Just take it. I I'll call on you. Okay. I'll call on you first. Okay, perfect. I'm ready. Alright. Uh, Mr. Rumor, um, can you address the density? Um, I understand it's still low density, um, but it goes from 25 to 84 homes. Um, that's triple the density, that's common sense as that's more than three times as many homes. Uh, what do we call that if it's not an increase in density? What is it? By the Land development code? We, we calculate density on gross. I have worked at another jurisdiction that calculated density on net, but because in our land development code, we have to calculate it on gross, that is how you calculate the land area for gross density of the land. And you calculate, then that's how you get the number of units. If it was net outside of wetlands, floodplain water, that would be a different number. But that's not how we calculate it based off our land development code. Okay. And, um, as you will recall, I'm sure, uh, at the April 16th meeting, I was quite dismissive of signal timing. Um, have any additional mitigation mechanisms been submitted to you since that meeting? During the continuance? No. The, uh, the, you have to look, the way to answer that is, if you look where that comment came from, which the traffic now, uh, reviewer is here. They recognized in a westbound ADMs left turn to northbound Clark. There is a delay in CRO making that left turn. Yeah, it, the, the project at hand generates very few impacts to that, making that turn. And so it was not a failing, it was a recognition to the city that, hey, this westbound ADMs to northbound Clark, left turn at build out will have to be looked at. The, as you asked, there is no proposal for any type of mitigation. How you would do that? Was it, it would be based off a conversation with James Taylor would be lengthening the green turn signal. Two seconds would be a way to mitigate that. Yeah. Okay. Uh, that's all for you. I have a question for Mr. S. Um, if you don't mind, uh, you'll recall I was the one at the last meeting who made the motion to deny your application. And then at your request and out of professional courtesy, I granted the continuance or made retracted my motion. Made a motion for a continuance. Um, and you made a comment, I did my due diligence, and I'm paraphrasing, but basically in April, you said, the reason I granted the continuance is you said all of this was vetted at the p and z and the issues were not foreseen or anticipated based upon thorough veteran over a number of years. Um, and I thought, well, gosh, of course we should grant a continuance to allow you to respond to new issues. Um, I went back and I watched the video. Um, I asked staff, where did this come up before P and z? And I went and I found the video, and I went to the one hour and 43 minute mark and, uh, where this, uh, passed four to one. And I watched 27 minutes of citizen comments that were made after you spoke at p and z. And then I watched at the two hour and 12 minute mark where you responded to those comments. So I want to give you an opportunity in fairness to explain your comment, because if there was 27 minutes of citizen comments at p and z, how could you claim that you couldn't foresee that these same citizens would come back to this commission with the same exact comments? And frankly, you have made no modification to address them. First, I'd like to thank you for that professional courtesy and the ability to come back this evening on the requested continuance. The reason I did that, and the reason I made those comments on April 16th, was so that everybody on the commission and those in the public could hear from the resident experts, both the one from the city, and I don't wanna speak for 'em, which I believe may not have been in attendance on April 16th together with ours, who definitely was not in attendance on April 16th. I think it's a more productive, thorough conversation if we allow the experts to answer these technical questions. And that's why I asked for it, and that's why I made that comment, and that's why I very much appreciated it then. And still now, the ability to come back to you tonight and make this detailed presentation, But with respect, you're not answering the core of my question. My question is, you said these issues were not foreseen or anticipated based upon thorough vetting over a number of years. Yet you knew they were issues because you were present at the p and z where they were raised. Can you square that for me? I was at p and z and it was approved, it was recommended to come to council with approval as it was previously at DRC and as it was previously in the staff report. Your professional staff, the technical questions and the level of detail in the first second reading of this ordinance on April 16th. Remember there was a first reading before that Mm-Hmm. Um, was to a level that was not previously leading up to April 16th. Something that was expected, and I believe and still do it's best answered by the professionals who handled our study, did so in accordance with the city's requirements and was vetted by your consultant. So, so I, I stand by the comments. I stand by the P and Z'S recommendation of four to one, the support from staff, the support from DRC, and yes, we have been at this project for a number of years and thoughtfully, um, laid it out in such a way to preserve as much as we can over 50% the eagle, the wetlands. So, Okay. That's a better answer. I appreciate that. Thank you. Can, uh, and, and I get your point about, uh, competent substantive evidence, substantial competence, Substantial, yes. Competent, substantial Evidence. Um, can I ask you kind of a stupid question? My last question, um, you talked about small town feel and lay persons and experts. Um, could you tell me who is probably the best person to speak about the character of oco? Would that, what type of expert witness would that be? Well, I, I believe on your staff, you have professional planning staff. Would that be a lay person? A Taxpayer? No. No, they're not. Okay. They're, they're not. They Don't know the character Of code. That's why the, I'm sorry. That's why the staff report and their presentation is competent, substantial evidence because they are, and he is a trained professional in this field. Thank you very much. I Appreciate it. Thank you. That's My question. Uh, Mr. Wilson, Thank you. We are a residents of a COI just as you are. And we are concerned regarding our wildlife. We are concerned regarding our trees. We are concerned about every factor that you're mentioned tonight. The unfortunate part is that this is a quasi-judicial item. And that, if my understanding is, and I can ask our attorney that the main issue is denying the property owner the right to develop their property. Is that, am I correct? The, the question is whether what's been presented to the commission is, uh, sufficient based on your determinations to be substantial competent, that the criteria for this rezoning is met. That's the, that's the criteria. So basically you're deny if, if we do not approve this, we are denying the property owner's right. To develop their property according to the standards of The, for, for this particular application. But if, if there's evidence that you believe is substantial, incompetent, and the courts have taught, looked at that, that says the criteria are not met, then you can deny it. Mm-Hmm. If you, if you believe that, that what you've heard and been presented to the commission is that the criteria have been met and then you can approve it. Mm-Hmm. So, so you're, you're correct. The question is, has what been presented to you as a commission Sufficient to, to show you that the criteria had been met or not met your staff and DRC and PNZ said that they believe that criteria has been met. Your staff report actually is competent, substantial evidence based on the case law in Flo, Florida. What you've heard tonight is, um, uh, I mean, you have to look at it and determine what what is and what is not. Um, the case law that the, that, uh, Mr. Sill presented to the commission is, is accurate. Um, it's just a question of whether you think that evidence meets that standard and the, and meets the criteria. So, um, it's not, if, if you deny this and, and because the, the substantial competent evidence you find shows the criteria have not been met, that's a supportable position. I, I mean, I mean, I hate to give you the lawyer answer, but bottom line is it's your decision. It's the commission's decision about that. You have to listen to everything that's been said and presented to you, um, to make a determination of whether this, they met that standard. If they met the standard, and then, and then what the other evidence that that's opposite to that shows that you don't think it's been met. And so con that's, that's your, that's your discre, uh, not a discretion, but that's your ability to do approve or deny. So, uh, bottom line is, do you think the criteria have been met? If you do, it's an approval. If you don't, and it's not, then it's denial. Okay. Um, again, this affects all of us. I know that wherever we live, all these issues would be of concern to us. Also, um, wildlife, there's a large portion of the land that's not going to be, that still will be available to wildlife. Um, do we want 84 houses behind our house? That's a, that's a valid question, but it seems as though you're not denying families to move in. You're not denying to have other people enjoy. What we enjoy as residents of Ocoee, I, every email I got, it was traffic, traffic, traffic, traffic. And as I thought about it, I thought, well, we're going into budget season. Why can't we look at a traffic light ourselves? If that's going to make, if a traffic light is going to make you happy and not deny the person to have a home behind you, the 84 homes behind the homes that you already have, if a traffic light is going to make the difference, why can't we discuss that at budget season? Budget season is coming up. And because every email I got was traffic. It didn't seem like anyone was denying someone having a home behind you. I really did. I I didn't sense that from every email I got. I'm hoping I'm interpreting it correctly. And it just seemed as though, and I understand when we have four lanes coming in on Clark Road, okay, the traffic, I've been out there in the traffic, I understand where you, the problem you have took me a half an hour to get basically from your neighborhood to Clara Co Road. I understand that, and I'm hoping that we will eliminate that. When the four lanes opened up, people coming, where do you think the traffic is coming from? The opposite direction. It's coming from Apopka. Okay. It's not a co folks coming the other way. It's a pop, mostly Apopka traffic coming through. We realize that I, I, I believe it is they're coming off of Clara Kona, coy Road. They're coming off of, um, what's the road further up? Sorry. McCormick. McCormick Road. They're coming in. They're using our roads. Okay. And the other problem is our traffic going the opposite the the, um, north south direction. But I would like to see, I mean, if this gets approved, I would like to see it come to a traffic light through our, for us to come up with some plan during budget season to put a traffic light there. I realize it doesn't warrant it, but we warrant it. Um, it's sometimes things are not always by a traffic study. We can, we can come up with documentation, but if we as a commission wanna look at that, if it gets approved, we should be looking at the traffic light to make it a safe intersection. Um, and I don't see why we couldn't do that. I honestly, um, again, it's, I'm just looking back at all the emails I got. It was traffic. No one seemed to be complaining about, um, the quality of life in a coi. I didn't, I didn't hear a lot of that. I think we have a great quality of life in a coi. You know, I realize that people ask for restaurants, well, how do you get restaurants, rooftops? You don't get restaurants without rooftops. You want gas stations, you want grocery stores. We have gone from when I moved in 27 years ago to less than, I don't know, 20,000 people, we're up to almost 50,000. Um, there's folks that wanna sell their land. We, it's hard to stop that. They want a single family or medium density, high density. I mean, we have to control that. And, but I, again, I didn't, what I saw from everyone from all the emails and what I'm hearing tonight is traffic. So whether, if it gets approved, I would like to go ahead and champion that we pursue a traffic light at that intersection in budgeting process. That's about all I have to say at this point. I think I'm okay, Commissioner, first, If I, I'd like to, excuse me. I'd like to thank everybody for coming out tonight and sharing their concerns with us. And we understand those concerns. We share those concerns with you. Um, unfortunately though all I've heard was opinions and conjecture and speculation about this project. Uh, I did not hear any studies that were performed or professional testimony that contradicted or refuted what the applicant has presented. Uh, my decision is gonna be based on the law. And, uh, what I would like to say though, is I think, uh, commissioner Wilson is absolutely correct. We need, the city needs to work on getting a traffic signal there at Oak Coe, Vista Parkway and Clark Road. I'm sorry that this project didn't trigger, uh, the, you know, and warrant a traffic signal being put in there. I think that will correct a lot of the problems. It's absolutely necessary. I know the fire department really needs it there. So we're gonna work on that and try to get that, uh, traffic light pushed up in our budget process and everything. And, and maybe other projects coming along Clark Road there will add to their, uh, fair share of the cost of, uh, the traffic light. You have to realize that traffic lights are not cheap. They cost 500 to $700,000 or so to put one in. And, uh, a little hard. Most city governments don't have that kind of money just laying around to put traffic lights. And because you're not the only one that wants a traffic light there in your neighborhood, we probably have 15 other areas in the city that are screaming for traffic lights. So, uh, thank you again for coming out. We really do appreciate it, and we do understand your concerns. Thank you, commissioner Oliver. I, I have to, um, piggyback on what Commissioner first and state it, it warms my heart to see citizens come out and express their opinions regarding the safety of themselves, their families, and other families. Um, I, I, I wish more citizens would come to more meetings and express their concerns when it comes to safety issues, uh, when it comes to citizens. Um, what, what, what, what I'm seeing here, I I I take more of a pragmatic approach to, to what's going on here tonight. First, I do have a question. I do have a question concerning the quai judicial hearing. Um, is there a notice requirement? Is there a notice requirement for a quasi judicial hearing? 'cause my question would be for this, for you guys, are there, did you know you were coming to a quasi judicial hearing tonight? Did you have any notification? Um, was there anything posted that you were coming to a quasi judicial hearing tonight? And if you was coming to a quasi judicial hearing, would you have brought an expert with you to say, Hey, you know what? Let's look at this from a, from another, from another perspective. And, and, and let's see if there's any other laws that may, um, possibly, um, uh, refute what has been given to us here. No, you didn't get that. You didn't get any of that. So my question is, is there, is there, is there a notice? And I do hear, I did hear, uh, Mike, I did hear you say that all of our meetings on judicial hearing, but in, in our, in our agendas, it doesn't say quasi-judicial hearing anywhere. So if we're going to have a quasi-judicial hearing at any meeting, I think it should be published somewhere and it should say the words possible or quasi-judicial hearing. But it's not there. I'm sorry, go ahead. Uh, Mr. Turner, I'm sorry. Could you please May Mayor, commissioner? Sure. Glad, glad to. Uh, I, I don't know whether the city advertises its hearings as legislative or quasi judicial. Uh, as I understand it, the city did publish the required notices, um, with respect to the hearings. Um, I've not reviewed those, but, uh, and I don't, I have not heard anybody that said that they have not met those legal requirements, both the code requirements and the statutory requirements. There's nothing to stop any local government from posting a, an advertisement that says, here's the hearings, and it's quasi-judicial or legislative. Uh, most people, I mean, most local governments do not do that. But there's nothing to stop the city from doing that. Uh, in, in my, you can, and the city clerk can speak at up as to whether they're advertised that way, although I, I, I just don't know if they have or have not been advertised like that. I do understand they were properly noticed, though. Yeah. The, the way the, the, the, the process for advertising, uh, the legal ads, uh, do not state quasi says public hearing, the quasi-judicial is statutory requirement. Then the city has, in Article one, uh, pro, uh, article four processes and Article five rezonings, uh, requirements for posting, which is the posting of the property, the 300 foot notice in the legal advertisement, the statutory process for ordinances is a quasi judicial, which statutes, uh, um, oh 1 44 or 6 44 has the requirements for adoption of an ordinance. But they are, all of our meetings, all our rezonings, annexations and comp plan amendments are quasi-judicial. The, the way we do the process for quasi-judicial, we do not have a magistrate. So we do not swear in, uh, we do, we have a, uh, planning and zoning board and a and then the city commission obviously access to judge under that process. The, the, the other, uh, point, I think commissioner is, uh, the, the applicant, the public, um, anyone, uh, has the free opportunity to participate in the hearings. And, uh, the, the mayor, uh, has in the commission, of course, control the process you've adopted by resolution or ordinance. I believe the rules that are available to the applicant, to the public, um, the staff is required to follow those. So if the commission would like to change those properly adopted rules, you, you can do that. But at this point, as far as I can see, every, all of the law has been complied with. Not to say that you might not want to change that in the future, but as I understand, everything has been met, complied with. Right? If, if, if there, if there is a compliance and, and that, that's fine again, but just from a citizen standpoint, if I'm going into a quasi-judicial hearing, I would like to know, and I would like to have something in writing and say I'm walking into a quasi-judicial hearing or meeting, and then that way that gives me the ability to, um, to search out my rights as a citizen or anyone else, or as a witness or whatever it may be, uh, before I get to that meeting. So, so to me, it's just vague when it comes to, are we in a quasi-judicial hearing, me hearing, or are we at a commission meeting? Are we at a planning and zoning meeting? Or are we in a quasi judicial hearing, or are we at both? So I think that we may look at in the future, just putting that information in there so we'll know exactly where we are. So, you know, that was just a question, just a pragmatic question. But, but what it boils down to then, since we are in a quasi-judicial hearing, there's a lot of legal fire powers sitting over there, right? And, and they have presented, um, a lot of information. So what what that does is what, when you're in aqua judicial hearing, what happens at that point is we are bound as a commission by the rule of law. And what happens is you have two things that are fighting against one another. We are bound by the rule of law, but you also coming with public opinion. So you have rule of law and public opinion. So as a, a, a member of a quasi-judicial, uh, board per se, then I'm bound by the law. I'm bound by what the law says. And I'm gonna tell you what it says. It says right here, um, under the second paragraph of the request for Gardenia point rezoning and PDUD, it states this, it says, once the applicant satisfies, its, its, um, initial burden of demonstrating compliance with applicable code requirements, the applicant must, it says, must not, shall, must be granted, must be granted, uh, uh, unless the opposing, uh, thus the opposition carries its burden, which is to demonstrate by, um, by some type of facts, uh, or to meet a standard. That's also, that's actually what a quote from, uh, Jesus Fellowship. Um, versus that was the, uh, Florida statute, or it was a, it was a case law, uh, the DCA, the third DCA case law in, in the year of 2000. So it's 24 years old. So the point is that there's probably another opinion that has possibly superseded that or have, there is an opposing opinion to that 24 years old. So we represented with this. So any law, no matter how long, no matter how old that law may be, is good law, unless it's challenged by another case law. It also states here, going back to our April 16th meeting, this, the, uh, commission meeting continues. Discussion, discussion. There was a focus regarding perceived traffic impacts Florida courts in the Florida courts. In the case of traffic impacts, since it is in, in an area where technical expertise is required, have generally held that lay opinion testimony does not constitute valid evidence. So what does that say? That says that your traffic concerns doesn't matter. It is a matter of public opinion. And there is no legal precedent. There is no, uh, uh, legal standing based on your public opinion. And, and they have presented the, the, the legal experts have presented their case law. I have a whole book, I got a dossier case law here, but I have nothing to coincide this at all. So looking at this, I have to go by what this says, right? So here we are. The concerns are, what facts did you present? You had a facts about, uh, there was some facts about high wind velocities. There was facts about, uh, uh, tra a lot of traffic concerns, which at the reading, this has no concern. But here's my problem. My problem is this. Science and human behavior sometimes clash. They don't quite mix. We have a lot of science that's been presented to us about traffic studies. Science sometimes cannot predict human behavior. A person, a person does things, and we don't understand why a person does something, because there is no science that can predict everything that a human can do. That also goes with driving. As you're driving, walking, jogging, or whatever you're doing, you, you're still operating based on human behavior. Your human behavior is based on natural laws. We have natural laws. And a natural law is a theory or ethics and, uh, or a philosophy that states that human beings possess a, um, an in an inert value that governs their reasonable behavior. There is no science that can predict that at all. And you also look at the different laws. Just because we have laws and ordinance in science, that, that predict things does not necessarily mean that it's just, and right. It doesn't mean that an unjust law is not a law at all. It has to be just, and it has to be, right? So from a practical standpoint, looking at how we move and how we operate as human beings, I have to look at this and say, you know what, um, traffic is a big concern for me as well as human fatalities and human behavior. So from a pragmatic standpoint, I believe that, um, none of those concerns were addressed. It was almost a cavalier approach to our human behavior when it comes to our concerns. And, and, and as I hear it, I hear that you're not just opposed. Everybody's not opposed to the growth. We just wanna be safe. We want our kids to be safe. We want a four lane highway that's coming through our city, that's coming through Clark Road right now. How do you make that left turn without any, any devices that's gonna slow down the traffic going from, uh, north to south? There is, there's no, there's no there. There've been no evidence or any discussion that's being presented, that that could be something that we would do. 700, 500, 7 $50,000 of traffic lights that that put there, that, that we will have to absorb the cost to as opposed to, uh, the developer that say, Hey, you know what? Let's, let's talk about how we do this together. How do we come together with a, me being a developer and you being a community, how do we come together to solve these issues? I didn't hear that once tonight. Not one time did I hear that. So therefore, you, you have my thoughts on this. He, he's voting no. So I don't know how I'm gonna vote, but I, but I will tell you, I am bound by the rules of this agreement and, and, and, and being in a quasi-judicial hearing as officer. But one word I will mention to you that I read was it says, have generally held in lay opinion, have generally that don't mean always. So that's my opinion, Mayor. It's now, uh, time for a vote. You dug it. Say anything. Yes, sir. I meant after that, mayor. Well, I hate to dig into somebody's law degree besides you, which everybody knows how that vote's going. So I, I'll tell you what I think, I think I get really upset about people that make things up to say things about the city when they get in angry about something affecting them. And you can go who all and who all what you want. Lemme tell you something. I moved here 19 55, 69 years ago, and none of you are here. None of you. I didn't hate it. I think it's a great place for you to come to. I think if you come here and live here, you'll like it. It's a great place to bring your kids, raise your kids. You can't ask for a better recreation department in this, in this area. Everything they do, they in the police department, the fire department, all number one things. But you got to sit there and then make that comment, sir. And you still living here, you know, you make that comment about this being, I guess wind. The mayor's selling their town, I guess. Winter garden's selling their town. I guess the pop can selling theirs. Frisco, Texas is selling theirs go everywhere you go in the United States, everybody's getting out of, up north and coming down here. They're moving here. Most of you come from somewhere else. I can tell you I've lived here and I don't know most of you, except when I met you out here. You don't, you, you weren't here. You cannot tell the gentleman just like a fifth gentleman or this lady had land, they wanted to sell it to somebody. And you're in real estate. Your house is not gonna go down in value. I will tell you right now, I bet your house is up in value. It is up. That's exactly right. It is not going down. It's going up. What the major problem of this whole place there is, and y'all can shake your head and gr it's the traffic problem with the intersection that you bought into. It ain't our fault. We put it out there part and designed it. The the, the planters did you bought in that area. That wasn't going to change that same entrance into that place. Has there, that's been there since you move there. But your profit is not going down. Ma'am, I sell real estate for 40 something years. Your property ain't going down. I haven't sold it too much lately 'cause I've been too busy with this. You, you, you people make those comments just like the bears are going to go somewhere. We can't stop it. I mean, everywhere around here has got bears. So we're not, we're not trying to do anything with the, uh, with the, with the bird life or the Eagle life or anything else. And every one of 'em sitting up there, just like that gentleman just got given that talk. He lives up on the area. There wasn't nothing up there, but hills and dirt, he lives up there. He lives in a subdivision. It's got how many houses? 341 homes. 341 homes used be a beautiful orange grove, beautiful orange grove. It ain't no more. So you're not supposed to talk. And you know that I, you know what everybody likes to do that. They gotta make these little snicker and comments. So I can tell you if, if you wanna live here and live here, if you don't wanna live here, move. So the thing of it is, this place is a good place to live. And we wanna make, still make it that way. The safety is what we're gonna have to try to do. Safety, the safe part's. What we're gonna try to do, yeah, keep it up. You know, it's, that's exactly what the problem is. People, you come and fight for something, you don't want to hear what the thing's gonna be. But I'm telling you, this place is gonna do what? This city is a great place to raise your kids and raise yourself. All right? Let's vote. Anybody else? Any more comments? I need a motion. I need a motion. I know, Comment. Okay. Uh, I didn't hear anybody say they were against development. I heard people say they prefer the plan that we have. They prefer the plan that they were aware of when they bought their home and they thought there were gonna be single family homes there. Um, and that's what I'm gonna vote for. Well, you miss second about that comment. The first one you made, sir, they did say something about development, about not having no more development. Fair Enough. Everybody's got their own opinion. Yes sir. But I'm tell you that was said. So, alright, I need a motion. I make a motion to approve The rezoning motion made by Commissioner Firster. So here's second. I will Second that and I make a comment. Alright, during this, commissioner Wilson's seconded comments, I will tell you that, um, I think Commissioner Oliver, you just reinforced my answer for yes to approve this. I think everything you just said when you started the conversation, I'll just tell you that I think that you just reinforced my answer to, to vote for this. So thank you. I appreciate comments up here. I think it is time for our discussion and um, as I say, you just reinforced my answer. I'm glad I can help. Thank you. Alright. Um, motion made by commissioner first or seconded by Commissioner Wilson. Um, any more comments? No, I will say that I think it's great that people come out and talk, but that's one of the things we get, you allow 'em to do it. We had 13, there was 13, not 11, there was 13 of these. Wow. Plus I think it was more I got on online. So it's a good thing to make the comments. I just could, like I said, we have to do the work on, and I had brought this up at the last commission meeting, April the 16th, I guess it was about having the red light working on the red light. We're taking the impact fee money from all three different things there. Like the, if a seven 11 goes in, we take their impact fee money if something else goes on the other corner. Plus this job, this development here that impact fee money, we put it towards the red light towards that is the main thing. Safety for people. Safety to get in. So if we work on that red light, we all come together, come to budget time. Let's remember how many people remember that. 'cause that's what we gotta do is budget time. Yep. I agree. And every one of us, all the commissioners work for, they're elected as commissioners of areas and I'm elected as mayor. But lemme tell you something, each one of you is commissioner, you're, you're responsible for everywhere in the city, not just that district where you live in. It's everywhere. Alright, let's vote. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Before You guys, you can, I can't. No, ma'am. I just have a quick question. No, you can't. We're in the middle of a vote, ma'am. Okay. All right. Motion carries. Uh, three votes to the two. No motion carries. Alright, now we're going down to, uh, the public hearing, no public hearing, no regular agenda, comments from commissioners. Commissioner Oliver. Um, as you may know, um, if you have traveled on Clara Con o Coy Road, uh, anytime today or yesterday, you would notice that, um, the light is now operational. So, um, uh, the light is operational. So we've been waiting on that for a long time. And, and it, and it's happened also, if you noticed, uh, on CLA Coy Road, uh, the speed limit has, uh, reduced. So it was 45, now it's down to 40. So in an effort to, uh, slow traffic down and, uh, to keep our our citizens safe, uh, we reduced the speed limit on the road as well. Um, I had the opportunity to speak with the county. Um, I spoke with the county mayor, his staff, uh, last week, uh, regarding, um, some safety issues concerning, okay, I'm sorry. Oh, regarding some safety issues concerning, um, uh, the West Orange Trail. And there's three intersections at the West Orange Trail. That would be Clara Coy Road and Clark Road, Clara Kona and Arden Park North. And, uh, Ingram Road, uh, as we have had a lot of, uh, accidents and near misses from motorists, pedestrians, uh, and bicyclists and pedestrians. And, uh, I was, uh, pleased to find out that they are actually very, they're very interested in, uh, come up with some solutions to give the, uh, pedestrians the right of way. Uh, which actually will give the, uh, the, uh, motorists, uh, they have the, the ability to stop to notice that the, the pedestrians have that right away. So, uh, they're engaged in the study. So hopefully within the next few months, I'll have some information regarding, uh, what their plan is, uh, to, uh, uh, mitigate the risk of accidents at those particular intersections along the West Orange Trail. Um, also, um, we are, uh, school's out on, on Friday and, uh, labor Day is Monday. So that, that is the official start of summer. So the official start of summer is the Labor Day official start, not Labor Day, I'm sorry. Um, Memorial Day is the official start of summer. So again, uh, one of the things that we need to be cognizant of is, uh, summer safety. Um, kids playing on the playground, the playground equipment. Make sure that your parents make sure that you, you, uh, inspect the playground, uh, equipment as your kids will be playing on the playground. Uh, ensure there's no cracks, bins, warps, or damage to the equipment. Uh, as you let your kids play on the playground. It is also, uh, bicycle safety month as well. So a lot of bicycles are gonna be out in the summertime. So make sure that you're wearing those fluorescent, uh, colored vests when you're out riding your bicycles. And, and as motorists, please be cognizant of the, the folks walking. They're jogging, they're on their bicycles. Um, and just be aware of their safety. And also, one of the important issues about summer is the fact that water, the kids like to get in the water, like get in the pools. So we wanna make sure that, uh, as parents, you wanna make sure that your kids are wearing, uh, the proper, uh, safety vests and jackets that they need to wear. Um, pay close attention, uh, uh, to, uh, the children that, uh, you're supervising, whether they know how to swim or not, pay close attention to the kids that you're supervising your water at all times. Um, one of the things you can also do is schedule, uh, swim lessons for kids that are, uh, one years old or less. So there's swim lessons for kids that are as, as, as as young as six months and, and, and get them familiar with the water. So that's something that you, we wanna definitely do. Um, also, um, with summer comes hurricane season for us. So we have hurricane season starts June 1st, and it goes all the way to November 30th, sixth months of hurricane season. So right now we want to, we wanna come focus on hurricane preparedness. Uh, make sure you get your water, your batteries, make sure your light work. So this is a great time to start preparing for hurricane season right now. Getting all your hurricane preparedness guides. Uh, you can actually go online, you can get them from the county, you can get 'em from the city. So you can get all this information about what the things that you're going to need to be prepared for a hurricane. Uh, one of the things I did find out about hurricanes is that, uh, when you, when you're looking at your home and preparing your house, uh, this is your garage door is the most vulnerable part of your house, but there's also retrofits for your garage to make sure that you can, you can shore it up and make sure that it actually can withstand, uh, hurricane force winds. So that's something to look at. Home Depot, Lowe's, they have, um, retrofits for your garage. So look at that as well. And then finally, as I uh, conclude, I will conclude with this. He is no fool who is willing to give up what he cannot keep in order to gain what he cannot lose. That is a quote from Jim Elliott. He was an American Christian missionary. Thank you so much. And I link back to the commission If I called on you, commissioner, did I call New Year? I'll be, I'll be brief. Where are we? I'll be brief. Everyone is invited to come out and, uh, attend the Memorial Day service. It'll be on Thursday, this Thursday, May 23rd at the Lake Shore Center at 11:00 AM Come out and honor the veterans, the servicemen, all those that have, uh, participated in the armed services. They deserve your recognition. That's it. Thank you sir. Commissioner Wills, Um, wanna just say kudos to the police department. Great community picnic we had, that's what makes Akoi Akoi is our small that does a small town. You want a small town, come to the akoi, go to our events that we have. And the last one was the picnic, which was very well attended and a lot of folks had fun. Yeah, the Asian American and Pacific Islander event that was held on the weekend was another wonderful event. Yeah. That a lot of folks packed. It was packed. It was so, it was great. Sorry I didn't get there for the proclamation, but I was at the picnic. Um, Jane Rainier, I hope I'm not gonna mess up this. If I can just make a comment about the email you sent that, um, if, can I read it? I guess I have time that she I Was going to do that. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. No, you go. I said no, no, no, No, no. I'm not gonna do it. I was gonna have her put the picture up there too, but go ahead tell Oh, you have a picture. Tell them everything. Go ahead. I know you're the recreation program. Go ahead. She was excited and proud to announce that her boys' 2008 Goal Gold Team won the State Cup this weekend. This is the highest premier competition at the state level. The National Championship series is the Count Balu, is it? Oh, it is. The county's most prest is the Count Country's most prestigious national youth soccer tournament providing approximately 185. I think there's a zero missing there. A thousand to over 10,000 teams from the US Youth Soccer State Association. The opportunity to showcase the soccer skills against the best competition in the nation. There we are the only central Florida voice team to advance to the southern regionals being held in June in Tampa age. Groups from, I guess it's 13 to 19 participate. The competition will be held June 21st. The 27th is a great honor to represent a COI in central Florida and we hope to continue making a COI proud and hope I didn't mess that up, Jane. But again, the mayor mentioned our recreation department and again, soccer is a recreation item. I mean, I know that you can probably go into it more depth, but it's the idea that we're very proud to have a co represented. So thank you. You Left one thing out. What did I leave out? They got a check for $10,000 donation from VMG. Wonderful. Well congratulations. Um, we're also have is Jane gonna put a Alright. Oh, there was a picture of, okay. Um, we also are going to a ribbon cutting this week that we have a new grocery store that's opened up. Yeah. At the, uh, toys are the old toys are us for all that. Remember the toys Are Us. There's a new grocery store opening up there this week and A restaurant in it. And we're, I think it's, we're going to a ribbon cutting on Thursday at 10 o'clock in the morning. So again, we always welcome new businesses to a coi. So, uh, I don't think there's anything else. Rich. You got the Memorial Day in before I got it. Hurricane supplies. Yeah. And well, I'm, you, you get the next one. Um, and I have a, a question for the attorney at this point. I go get a minute. 58 seconds. Um, last meeting we had a discussion regarding, uh, two of us attending an HOA meeting. Homeowners association. Aren't homeowners associations private meetings? Yep. And so are they they're not open to the general public. Am I correct? Oh, Uh, Is that can you just, I, Sorry. Yeah, so, so HOA meetings, my, my, and I haven't looked at it in a while, but I believe are for the membership. But if the, if the HOA board, they certainly can invite the board meeting or membership meeting, The general membership meetings, Membership meeting. So, so there's nothing I I don't believe in the statute that prohibits you from, uh, a board or the membership saying, Hey, I'd like to have others attend. Whether it's an expert, a guest, a commissioner, it doesn't matter. The, the one question is having more than one of our commissioners present, ask the question question with respect to discussion of city, city business. If you're gonna do that and the two commissioners are gonna speak about a particular matter or you need to be very cautious not to discuss city related business at That. Well that was a discussion last week and it was, uh, commissioner Oliver went to one of my HOA meeting, not mine. One, one that is in my district. And that was the concern I had. And I spoke to the later to someone in the HOA and they didn't like it being open, you know, if there's two of us gonna be there, they did not like it being open to the general public 'cause it would then be posted and anyone could attend. So I was asking, are the HOA meetings, um, I wait to be invited. I don't go to HOA meetings on, should I say? Well, it's really up to each individual HOA if the HOA wants to invite whoever they wanna invite, they can do that. It's not, has to be posted, but it's there. It's there. But if you're gonna have two members of any city committee Mm-Hmm. City board or city commission present, and you're gonna have any kind of discussion where the two commissioners could be talking about either in front of the group Mm-Hmm. Or, uh, where the two commissions would be put in a position to, to potentially be compromised with a discussion about city business. You'd need to post it and then open it. And that's gonna create a whole nother set of issues because the HOA is, you know, the whole pub, the public has to be allowed to attend those meetings. And that, that's, so you need to know, I need to know the details, but based on what you've asked, I'd be very cautious about that. Thank you. That posted, that was a concern. It has to be posted. And when I mentioned that to this one HOA, that wasn't really something they like to have open to the general public coming into their neighborhood meeting, But it's up to them to say, Hey, we want to have people come in, commissioners or otherwise. It's up to their, it's their decision. It's their decision. Not thank you. Not a, not the public's decision. Correct. Right. Thank you. Just wanted, but, but for, for your benefit, as members of the commission, you wanna make sure that, that you don't put yourselves in a position where you can be compromised. Thank you. You have to post, you say you say two or more long as it's correct. Two long, as long as two commissions are at the same meeting, it's posted. Right. So I mean, if you have one commission, you go to one meeting and, and you are allowed to go to the meeting. Miller, there's not another commissioner then Still being Broken. Huh? If you have two separate meetings, two separate Commissioner. I'm trying to get through With it with me. Let me, well, I just wanted to clarify. Whoa. Everybody stop a minute. Okay. Our city clerk will tell you, if you talk two of us at that meeting, it's gotta be posted under the sunshine ball. Correct. If, I don't care if even say you talk about the city, it could be coming up down the road. It's gonna be voted on. So you can't decide what it is. If there's two of us at the same meeting, you gotta post it. So we need to notify the clerk. That's right. That we would be attending. And, and, and the other thing is we talked, go ahead Scott. I I I'll bring this other up. Yes, sir. That's fine. You brought up earlier too. So, uh, Mr. Erman, you're gonna love this. Alright. I am an expert witness on HOAs Super. I am both a commissioner and an HOA president. And the answer is that a HOA meeting is a quasi-judicial meeting. And board members of an HOA are quasi-judicial members. And an HOA is a member's only association dealing with land rights. Mm-Hmm. So the same rules apply just as to the hearing that was proposed here. Um, that's totally separate and has nothing to do. Uh, with notice requirements for commissioners. That's A total Yeah. For The city. Separate with sunshine. Sure. So that's a separate issue. Mm-Hmm. And yes, you have to, uh, if two of you are in the same place, you have to notice that separately. Um, but no, you have to be invited to an HOA meeting if you're not a member. It's a members only organization. Right. Um, I wanna talk about something. I want to thank those of you who are still here. Uh, thank you. Um, you know, this is our government. This is our democracy. Um, the mayor, frequent mayor and I are good friends. And, um, when I took this job, he said, you know, you and I aren't always gonna agree. Um, you can come, you can debate, you can disagree, you can agree you vote, but the worst thing that you can do is to be disengaged. You're a resident. You come, you're not engaged. You're here for 20 years, 25. We heard it. 15 years, 20 years, 25 years. Totally disengaged. Show up one time for an hour and a half b***h and moan, not get your way and walk out and flip your mayor. The bird That's happened before. Um, That's not appropriate. Um, and it's also not smart. Um, I started coming to an HOA meeting 20 years ago because of an issue, frankly, that the mayor and I disagreed about a fifth gate for my neighborhood that wasn't in the PUD. And we tried to force the developer to do it. And there was argument that we didn't have that right. We eventually succeeded in negotiating that gate. But the one thing that I did was I stayed and I kept coming back. And because of that, I was able to make a difference and I was able to influence my community and make it better. And, um, so I want to thank those of you that are here and those of the you that are not here, that left. Hopefully you'll hear this message. Um, it's just a problem with our, with our city, with our country, with our nation. We're disengaged and we're not participating in the process. This is the process. This is how it works. Um, speaking of process, um, commissioner Oliver, this is the second time that you have regaled us with news of your conferences with Orange County Government. And the last time that you did it, and I questioned you, you stated that you were merely meeting with staff. We have a rule. You know, we just spent time getting a consensus so that our assistant city manager and his staff could meet with the county on land use issues and rural boundary issues, and which is their job. And we have a rule that only the mayor may represent the city to outside agencies and other officials. And you continue to do what you did when you were here the last time, which we made a rule against, which is to come tell us. I met with the county, I met with the mayor. You don't negotiate with the county for us. You don't represent us to the county. And I'm fed up with it. And, um, I don't know what I can do about it. I don't know if I can do anything about it, but I'm going to instruct staff and the city attorney and the mayor that is his prerogative to investigate what can be done to put an end to this. 'cause I've had it and I've asked you, and you've been asked by the city attorney to stop. You misrepresented, in my opinion, what you were doing. And it hurts our city. It's just as bad as the citizens being disengaged for one person to take matters into their own hands and go represent this city based on their own personal interest. And it's not right. It's gonna stop. That's the end of my comment. Well, I think, I, I think there is a rule in that thing about there is a way you can sanction, sanction, uh, commissioners in, in, in the order of when they do stuff. So we look at that and see things don't change. Commissioner Kennedy, it can't, it can't change when they got it in them. I, I, um, I apologize to anybody if I say the wrong words. I didn't do anything to get shot a bird at, but I've been shot at 'em before, so that ain't no big deal. You know, I've been set a lot worse than that. I got shot at before too. So that's another thing, you know. Well, I was in war zone, that don't matter, but, so I don't worry about 'em. What I worry about is people that talk bad about get in a public meeting just to come to talk about trying to save something. And we want you to say something and do something. But why do you have to make these remarks about what kind of city it is? And then you live here. I heard a, I heard some people was brought here by somebody else a few months ago, or a year or two ago that stood right over that corner and said how much she hated this city. They hated it. They didn't like it, but they've been living here for 13 years. Listen, we're all sitting up here trying to do a job. Some of us are going vote for, I don't believe, I believe what's gonna happen here. And you'd watch it for the next few months. There's gonna be no votes on development from, from somebody. It's going to happen. 'cause that way you can pick up votes if you vote no. When you got all the people sitting in front of you, you can pick up votes. And that's what's going to happen. You gotta be able to sit up here and vote what's right for the city. I mean, you might not think it's right, but all these staff we got here, we pay 'em money. They're professionals. They know what they're doing. They, they know what they're doing. When they say that about the, uh, traffic study, you hire people that are, are licensed by the state just like you are. They know what they're doing. And they're, that's why we have to count on. We have to have that. Listen, everybody, and this, I don't know what's happening. Winter garden is booming from door to door, you know, pop's booming door to door when the mirror's booming, go to Oakland. That place was, is three times what it, almost what it was. But you, you gotta be able to sit up here and make the decision whether they like it or not. Then they can go out and shoot a bird at you, whatever you want. But you, when you, when you you do that, you're just showing your iq as far as I'm concerned. You know, that's how smart you are. But I would tell you that you watch what happens in the next few months on our development deals, you're going to see that happen. Remember what I'm telling you? 'cause it is going to come from somebody here. They gonna vote no on any kind of development. We do no matter what we do. No, what it is. And I'm going to, I'm going to start reading something every meeting I would read you about the church, but I don't believe I need to bring that into politics. Self-control is strength, calmness is mastery. You have to get to a point where your mood doesn't shift based on the insignificant actions of someone else. Don't allow others to control the direction of your life. Don't allow your emotions to overpower your intelligence. Morgan Freeman, good night folks.