Good evening. We're gonna start the April 16th, 2024 meeting. We'll have to call the order invocation will be by Mr. Hart pledge of allegiance by, um, myself. Then roll call. Please stand. S Father, we thank you for your abundant grace and mercy. You allow us to come together to conduct the city's business. Lord, we pray that you help us to come together in the spirit of unity. Even though we may disagree, let us not be disagreeable and see each other as you see us as brothers and sisters. We pray a special prayer over our first responders, our police, and our fire, fire, fire, and our first responders. Lord, each and every call, each and every shift, watch over them as they watch over us. And remember, a special prayer for all of the sons and daughters of Lacoy who are serving in the armed forces at home and abroad. In Jesus name we pray, amen. Amen. Our pledge for allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Commissioner Kennedy Here. Commissioner Wilson. Here. Mayor Johnson. Here. Commissioner Furner. Here. Commissioner Oliver here. Okay, we're going to start off with some presentations and pro proclamations. I'm going to read 'em. First one will be the National Donate Life Month proclamation. Then I will call up this kit and then, um, afterwards. Okay. All right, let me get here where I can read it. One of the most meaningful gifts that a human being can bestow upon another is the Gift of life. And whereas over 103,000 men, women, and children, are currently on the national waiting list for organ transplant transplantation, of which over 5,200 reside in Florida. And whereas 46,630, a record number of transplants occurred in the calendar year 2023, thanks to the generosity of 23,287 deceased and living donors of which 3,302 transplant patients and 1,343 deceased and living donors were from Florida. And whereas more than 2.5 million people throughout the country and in Florida benefit annually from tissue transportation plantation, thanks to thousands of tissue donors. And whereas the need for organ, eye and tissue donation remains critical as a new patient is added to the national waiting list for an organ transplant every eight minutes and each day, roughly 17 people die due to the lack of available organs. And whereas more than 11.3 million Floridians have already ed their decision to give the gift of life through organ and tissue donation or own their driver license. And now therefore be it resolved. The city commission of the city of OCO does hereby declare the month of April, 2024 as the national donate live month in the city of oco and encourage all residents to consider giving life through organ donation and to sign up on Florida's organ and tissue donor registry or when renewing their driver license or state identification card. This year's theme is donors or superstars and witness whereof I have hearing to set my hand and cause the seal of the city of Oko, Florida to be affixed the 16th day of April, 2024. Rusty Johnson, mayor, won't we go ahead and have, uh, uh, where'd I do my, uh, Ms. Blair and Ms. Wilson? Come on up. Judge Wilson, come on up front. Judge Wilson, you also live in oco, right? I do. There you go. I do. I don't think I need a microphone. Can everyone hear me? Okay? Good evening. Thank you so much for being here. My name is Kia Ware and I'm the manager of Multicultural Affairs and Partnerships for our legacy. Our legacy is the medical entity that works with every single hospital in central Florida to facilitate organ and tissue donation. But before we get to all the things that you need to know about organ donation and being a registered donor, I want you to understand why this is so important. Tommy Wilson can share her story and, and she is the reason why her family is the reason why organ donation is so important. I will turn it over to Tanya Wilson now, who shares her story about her sister. Good evening, everyone. September 14th, 2008 changed our family's life forever. Connie was coming home from church. She had a church she attended in Claremont and she was traveling east on Highway 50 in Claremont when she was hit by not one car, but two, her four runner, four runner flipped over several times and Connie suffered, uh, life-threatening injuries to her head. She was taken by life, life to Orlando Medical or Orlando Regional Hospital, and she was on life support. The next day, uh, September 15th, my family made the decision that we would take NIE off life support because the doctors had declared her a brain dead. We knew immediately what we were going to do. At that time, all five of us, my parents, my sister, myself and Connie had decided that should we ever be in that situation where the essence of who we are is no longer there, we believing that God created our bodies, our bodies are flesh and they'll be destroyed. But the spirit goes to him. We decided Connie would be, or all of us, decided we would be donors. So on September 15th, 2008 at 11:37 AM Connie was taken off life support and that's when she became a donor hero. So when the doctors came in, or the medical staff came in to ask us about the donation, we're like, whatever can go to someone who needs the gift of life, let them have it. So Connie was able to donate her heart, both of her lungs, both of her kidneys and her liver. One of her kidneys though, went to our first cousin, Dwayne. Dwayne had been on dialysis for as long as I could remember. He was tall, like 6 4, 5, 300 pounds, like offensive lineman style, like what we need at Florida. Yes ma'am. Yes. Offensive lineman style big, but because of his kidney disease, very small, very frail, and he didn't have that big booming voice. So that day we decided Connie's kidney, one of Connie's kidney, we're gonna seek him. Can Dwayne get it? It was a perfect blood match, a perfect tissue match. So off Connie's kidney went, we know to Dwayne. So our family is a donor family because of Connie, not just her organs, but her tissue as well. And I didn't find out about the tissue until February of this year. I didn't know my sister was a tissue donor until I met Ms. Blair and I was able to connect with her. I did not realize that the company that we had used for organ donation became our legacy. And so by the grace of God, I was able to meet Ms. Blair and I was able to see that Connie had saved many lives and she did save Dwayne's life. Dwayne was able to live an additional 15 years and unfortunately got covid and did not make it through Covid. But Dwayne lived an additional 15 years and he was able to see his children graduate from college, graduate from high school, graduate from their master's program. He was able to see one child go to Toronto, Canada and open up a TV production studio. And so he was able to live and live life fully. And so I ask that you strongly consider if you do not need your organ, you can donate. There is someone who needs the organ. There are someone who might live again with the tissue. Our bodies are not going to stay here forever. Our bodies fail us, but our spirit lives on. And so I would just implore you just go to the DMV put on there that you want to be an organ donor like I did, and so that you two would be able, like my sister Connie, give the gift of life. Someone who desperately thank you. Thank you, ma'am. I just wanted to share some information with you before we go. I shared with you who our legacy is. We are the medical facility that deals with donation hospitals. Don't call other hospitals and say, Hey, I have a donor hero here. Do you have a recipient? We take care of all of that for them. Um, again, more than 103,000 people are waking up this morning and tomorrow morning hoping that they get that lifesaving phone call that their organ is available for them. 5,700 of those folks live right here in Florida. 5,700 people on that list. You would think with this, with the need being as great and it's so easy to register that it everyone would wanna do it. Unfortunately, there are some myths and fears that hold some people back. The number one myth and fear is, if I register to be an organ donor and I'm in a car crash, the doctors aren't going to save my life. I see a couple of folks going, Mm-Hmm, I've heard that one. That is simply not true. The same doctors that are working so tirelessly to save your life in that traumatic experience are not the same doctors we work with regarding organ donation. Those doctors make sure this to save you first before they even consider organ donation. And side note, none of the nurses and doctors that we work with even have time to look in your wallet or your purse to see if you're a registered donor. Most times they don't even know it until we let them know. So ne never think that the hospital won't do everything it can to save your life. There is no additional expense to our donor families for any type of, uh, procedures. Uh, hospital stays related to donation. That expense is not passed on to the donor family. The body will not be disfigured. We take great care in making sure that we suture up all of our donor heroes so they are presentable. And we have probably all been to at least one open casket funeral where that person could have been a donor hero and you never would know cultural mistrust of the medical system. There has been a lot of mistrust of the medical system, especially during covid and even preceding covid. Um, that that brings that fear that, oh, the doctors are not gonna do everything they can to save my life. Unfair organ allocation. No, the hospitals don't get a kickback for organ donation. No. The richest person with the bag of money is not waiting out back waiting for that, that lifesaving heart. We are heavily regulated by CMS and receive information from the United Network of Organ Sharing of who gets what organ. Whenever we have a case, we have to start with the first recipient, call them to see if their transplant surgeon wants that organ. If they don't, we go to number two and three and four and so forth. We don't get to skip around and choose who gets that organ. And then simply understanding death. As Connie mentioned, or excuse me, as Tanya mentioned, Connie was, uh, determined to be brain dead. Either you are brain dead or your family decides to withdraw life support. Those are the only two ways you can ever be considered, uh, to be an organ donor, not before then. So only at the very end of your life, um, every 10 minutes, another person is added to the, the national transplant waiting list. Each and every day, on average, about 20 people die. But thankfully one donor hero can save eight lives. So how do you register at the DMV when you get your driver's license? You can also go to donate life florida.org and register online, and you can be very specific. You can say, Hey, I wanna give my heart, but you can't have anything else. And that is fine. You can also, if you have an iPhone register on the health app to be an organ donor. I hope that I was able to provide some information, uh, to you and inspire you, uh, to, to join our mission and help save so many other lives. Are there any other questions? Add on? 5-year-old niece died. Waiting for a heart transplant is one of the best gifts that you can make, so please consider it. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you. Yes, sir. Can we have you come up, uh, and Ms. Wilson, come up front and Let absolutely have a picture? Yes, sir. Thank you Mayor Johnson. Thank you. City of Ocoee and thank you all for listening to us. April is National Donate Life month, and all of this is so important every part of the year, but especially during April. So thank you. Coming up front. Yes, sir. I will let you know. Okay. All right. We have one more proclamation and this is one with our, it's the, uh, volunteer appreciation, whereas the week of April, the 21st through the 27th, 2024 has been designated nationally as Volunteer Appreciation Week to recognize the hard work, dedication and passion of volunteers and service members throughout our community. And whereas this week is an opportunity to honor the numerous individuals and groups who invest their time to better the community around them. And whereas the city of OCO is proud to have nine volunteer advisory boards, which promote and maintain a positive relationship between citizens, the commission, and the city's respective departments. And whereas the city's 58 volunteers contribute their time and diligence to keep these positive connections. And whereas all citizens of the city of OCO community benefit from the work of these selfless individuals. And whereas the city of OCO holds great appreciation for their continued dedication and hard work. Now, therefore, the commission of the city of OCO does hereby proclaim the week of April the 21st through the 27th, 2024 as volunteer appreciation weaken the city of OCO and encourage all officials and residents to extend appreciation to the many volunteers who serve our community In witness whereof. I have hearing to set my hand and cause the silver of the city of oco, Florida to be affixed the 16th day of April, 2024. Resident Johnson Mayor will all the volunteers that work for the city stand up please. Wow. Look at that. Alright, we gonna have everybody come up front, all the volunteers. Let's go down again. I think we'll stand up behind here. Hand that down to y'all. Hold that in the middle. Okay. We'll stand up behind here. Come on, rich. Okay. All you guys, everybody squeeze in. See Recreation as well. That's right. That's, that's exactly right. You man. See a drummer. Well, you're gonna, I think we're gonna have to move you. Hey Brad. The short people stand up front. I Gotta have That's right. Get Go ahead to Brad. You move Mr. Moyer. I Think he's too far. Didn't There you can see you All right. There you go. You're Too far over there. I think you got a last suit them all in. I like recreations. Very well attended tonight. Alright, Rosemary, good side please. Good. I I only give you my good side. Anyone else taking pictures in crowd? See if we can get those made. Give to them sometime. I think I've heard they gonna also give you a gift somewhere along the line. Thank you for being here. Alright. Okie dokie. I wanna be a hundred. Alright. All right. All here. Let's see. Where are we at here? Alright, now we get into the business part here. We're going to have a presentation of the auditor's report on fiscal year 2023, A CFR with, uh, you finance director coming up. Good evening Mayor Commissioners. As required by, um, Florida statutes, the City of OCO receives a financial audit every year, um, seeking an opinion from, um, qualified independent auditors on the quality and presentation of our financial information for 2023. That audit was com, um, conducted by Purvis Gray, representing Purvis Gray. This evening is Tim Westgate and Mcno, and they will be presenting, um, the results of our audit for FY 23. Good evening Mayor Commissioners. Uh, thank you for the opportunity to present this evening. Uh, as mentioned, we're here to conclude the audit process for the 2023 year, uh, presented on the slides there. This is your audit leadership team. Again, my name is Tim Westgate, audit partner on the engagement, uh, with us this evening. Matt Gau is the audit director and then also part of the leadership team, uh, Mr. Michael Sandstrom, uh, oversees the IT component related to the financial audit. So we're here to present the audit, uh, results and highlights and an opportunity for any questions that you may have. Uh, we previously reviewed audit results with management, uh, spoke with Ms. Wilson on the phone, as well as one of the commissioners, uh, through the audit process. So today we're just going to touch on those results. One thing that I do like to mention, uh, for those entities that participate, the city of Ocoee participates in the GFOA. That's the Government Finance Officers Association, uh, program. It's the Excellence in Financial Reporting Award. And it, and with that receives a certificate of achievement. Uh, we're here to present the 2023, uh, first couple pages has the certificate for 2022, and we expect the 23 will receive that certificate as well. What the program is, it is encourages local governments and states to, to, uh, comply with the program, encourage and assist them in completing their annual comprehensive financial report, which goes above and beyond the minimum standards In the spirit of transparency and disclosure. Uh, the process is the, uh, financial act for, as it's referred to, is submitted to the GFOA and they do a technical review. It also goes out to experts who are not involved in the audit process. Um, the other auditors, uh, uh, professionals, educators to review the financial statements before that award is issued. So we appreciate the city going above and beyond what the Florida statutes and similar requires. The audit, as mentioned, does comply with the requirements of Florida statutes, the rules of the Florida Auditor General, the secondary bond market, as well as lenders and federal and state granting agencies. Management's role in the, in all of this is of course, the responsibility for the financial statements as well as internal control. Our role as your auditors is based on our audit to ultimately issue an opinion on the financial statements based on our audit. And we're pleased to say, uh, that we issued an an unmodified opinion that is a clean opinion, the highest level of assurance that you can have from audit results as well as part of the audit and being performed under government auditing standards. We look at internal control related to financial reporting. And in that process, if we encountered material weaknesses, significant deficiencies, those would be reported to you in there. Uh, pleased to say they are very boring letters because there are no such findings, uh, which is great in an audit process. Uh, no material weaknesses, no non-compliance items, uh, with grants and agreements and statutes, that would be material to the financial statement. So great results in all of that. We also have, under Florida statutes, look at compliance with, uh, Florida Statute two 18,415. That is a specific carve out required of local governments and related to investments. That as well is a clean report, uh, that the city did comply with those requirements. And the last audit section there is the management letter, uh, as required under Rules of the Auditor General. So that would be for communication items that are less than material weaknesses, but still things that we feel need to be communicated to those charged with governments in this case. Uh, the commission, uh, last year we discussed an item related to the year end financial reporting. ENC close, uh, pleased to report this year. You'll see in the letter that that issue has been addressed and there's no findings, uh, reported in the management letter this year. So, great progress in that regard and nothing more to talk about related to that letter. So that's great. Couple of significant events and highlights. We like to touch on those. We have lots of discussions with management through the financial process and look at particular areas. So just touching on some of those highlights. You know, what might jump out if somebody was to take a quick look, you'll see the change in fund balance for the general fund was a reduction of 8.3 million. However, at the same time you'll see a capital projects reserve fund went up 13 million. That drive was significant. Projects that are planned for the city, and those funds were moved from one fund to the other for the planned future projects. So everything that you see there happened in accordance with budget. There weren't surprises that happened in that. So just some of the highlights on that proprietary fund. Those are your business type funds. Uh, one area that we did discuss last year as well, and continue to, to discuss that solid waste fund. And we'll touch on that a few moments in a little bit. On the next slide, you'll see that working capital position is in a negative position. Another on this slide, I'd like to highlight the employee retirement funds. If you were to look at last year's had a change in that position. It had a reduction loss of 21 million. That was of course related to the markets and market conditions happening for that 22 year. Very pleased to say, uh, you know, back in a positive position, a 6.9 million increase, which really year over year, that's roughly a $28 million swing, uh, from year to year. So, you know, good, good results in that regard between those plans. Some other discussion items, again, these are not findings, not material weaknesses, but just opportunities to, you know, keep it on your radar and looking forward. Uh, American Rescue Plan funding, American Rescue Act plan funding. As of September 30th, the city still had 13.8 million recorded as unearned revenues. So just a reminder to keep tabs on that. The programs need to be obligated by the end of the 24 year calendar year, and the funds need to be spent by the end of the 26th year. Again, not a finding, just a, you know, discussion item to keep a tab on that. Continuing to talk about the solid waste fund, it did have that negative net position of 937,000. Uh, we are aware that subsequent to year end, I believe perhaps effective October 1st of 23, there were some rate changes and other plans in place. So I believe that the, you know, the process is in place to address that going forward. Uh, auditors tend to be historians. So we're talking about what had happened as of September of 23. Some other discussion items that we had with management just to keep you in the loop, um, that you, uh, may hear just, uh, through the process. Uh, we talked about the self-insurance workers' comp and the need for an updated actuarial report there. That's just an accounting matter there to fine tune the estimates that are there as well as capital outlays, just some processes that could be improved and looking at capital outlay and budgeting and how it's coded. Again, not that it's a problem, just an opportunity to improve some of that. And then it, we do look at it for the purpose of financial reporting and how that relates to our audit. I do like to emphasize that that's all it is doing is just that segment and want to continue to encourage. And we had some, uh, disaster recovery plan items, risk assessment, uh, make sure the city is complying with some new, uh, Florida House Bill 7 0 5 5, which is related to IT security standards. So just make sure those PA p pieces are in place. I'm sure you've heard of local governments even here in Florida that suffered from ransomware attacks. So while there could be lots of fraud, you know, fraud could happen. I don't mean a coe just generally speaking, uh, the IT side tends to become a bigger risk, more so than fraud and errors at this time. So keep an eye on that area, you know, make sure that's getting due attention there. Uh, last slide here. Uh, just want to take the opportunity to thank the city of Ocoee Mayor and commissioners opportunity to serve as your audit auditors. Uh, city manager, Frank, all of the departments of the city, particularly finance, Ms. Roberts Vanna, who has to put up with us the most through the audit process. When we say, show us that, explain that, prove it, uh, we do get great cooperation from the city. So with that, I'll invite any questions that you may have. Commissioners, anybody have any questions? No. Appreciate it very much. All thank you very Much. Thank you so much. Have a good evening. Thank you sir. Sir. Alright, staff report. Nothing this evening, ma'am. All public comments. I have one from Mr. Moyer. James Moyer. Good evening. Uh, Dr. Jim Oyer live in Den Park in, uh, north side of Ocoee. Uh, I have the honor of currently being the chair of the Uni Relations Diversity Board for the last couple months. We've had very, very brief, um, guest speakers last year. We had, uh, veterans in November and January we had guest speaker in regard to voting in February, uh, black History Month, guest speaker March Women's History Month guest speaker. Uh, April this month we had, uh, Arab American Heritage Month Guest Speaker. Well, may, may, there's a lot of activity going on in May. There's Asian American Pacific I under Heritage month. There's older American Heritage Month. There's Haitian American Heritage Month, there's Jewish American Heritage Month. So for May and June, we're bringing in a guest speaker for that's going to make a 30 minute presentation in each month, 30 minutes in May, 30 minutes in June. And we're encouraging everyone to please join. And the theme of the guest speaker is fostering a sense of belonging. And we want everyone here to belong to the city of Coe and feel that they belong. Uh, it's, our meeting is on May the second, which is the first thirties, Thursday at six 15 right here. And then June the sixth, um, which is also the first Thursday, six 15 right here, the guest speakers Cavita saw, she is with UCF Ginsburg Center for Inclusion and Community Engagement. So, um, if you don't mind, please pack the house. Thank you so much, and God bless you all. Thank you Mr. Moer. All right, we're down to the consent agenda. Any comments or I need a motion. I'll, I'll make that motion to approve. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. We'll hear second. I'll second second it by Commissioner Kennedy. Um, any more comments? No more comments. Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. All right. First read that we have no first reading. Second reading of ordinance public hearing. Uh, Okay, this here. Wait a minute. 12 out 12 second reading of ordinance submitted the City of oco, municipal General Employees Retirement Trust Fund. Did you, uh, municipal Pension Board Chairman Cowin, I think there she is. Okay, You got Stuff to read? Good evening Mayor. Commissioners weed calling General employees. Uh, shepherds. Um, this request is to, to change the minimum age distribution. Uh, the age of the distribution needs to begin to be, to be what the IRS needs to comply with the secure Act 2.0. And the second is to, in section 28, purchase of credited credited service or airtime. Or airtime. And that's basically that all members need to be vested before they can purchase airtime. All right, we got, you got to, Item Number 12 is an ordinance, sorry. Item number 12 is an ordinance of the city of Ocoee Florida relating to the city of Ocoee Municipal General Employees retirement trust fund adopted by ordinance number 2009 dash 0 2 0 as subsequently amended amending section six, benefit amounts and eligibility amending Section seven, pre-retirement death amending Section nine, optional forms of benefits amending Section 15, minimum distribution of benefits to provide for compliance with the Secure 2.0 ACT amending section 28 purchase of credited service or airtime, providing for severability of provisions, superseding all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing an effective date. That's It. Alright, I'm open to public hearing. Anybody in the public have any comments for item 12? All right, I'll close the public hearing and bring it back up to the diocese. Anybody have any comments on item 12? Alright, I need a motion. I'll make a motion to approve. Motion made by commissioner first. Here. Second. I'll second. Second. We'll second. He, sorry, he served. Alright. Second by Commissioner Oliver, any more comments? No more comments. Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, G. All right. Item number 13. Second read of ordinance to Gardenia point. Rezoning from unclassified district and R dash one, a single family dwellings to PUD plan, use development district project number RZ 23 dash oh 2 0 2. Zoning manager. Whi, we wait to read that as she goes. Yeah, go ahead. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Commissioners, everyone. Thank you. Sorry for the, uh, oh, what happened? Okay. All right. Gardenia, point to rezoning. Um, the rezoning is 4 37 0.37 acres, comprised of four parcels going from unclassified and R one, a single family district to PUD plan unit development district. The property is located on the north side of the railroad tracks and the 80 Mims road at the end of a determinants of a co Vista Parkway. Um, uh, it's currently load into residential future line use category as well as some conservation future line use designation on the northern portion of the properties. It's currently, um, vacant with scattered stands of trees. So this is an area, area of the four properties. So the trees are here. The surrounding future land use categories, essentially all load density, residential, and then surrounding zoning. Um, there's a mixture of different RR or residential categories as well as a PUD and some county areas. Um, just a little bit of background history. Um, access to this property will be via KOA Vista. So north is to the right. Um, south is to the left. This is Clark Road. Koa Vista is here. It currently ends at this point. Um, and then it continues. The right of way continues in that direction. The right of way has been planned, um, by the city commission, uh, since March of 2006. This is a platform, Prairie Lake Reserves the subdivision. Again, the yellow highlight is the existing, um, track that was dedicated to the city that is to be used for right of way. Um, this slide essentially shows, um, some ac some easement locations. This is the Prairie Meadows subdivision, which is on the south side of the Co Vista Parkway. I'm sorry, co Vista. Yes. OCO Vista Parkway. Um, this is from the subdivision plan, and then this is from the plat. So, uh, this slide is essentially to show that, um, when this project came in, there was planning, um, for easements that are for drainage, for utilities, and for access and emergency services to be accessible from Aqua Vista Parkway once it's extended. So this is an arrow of the property. Just wanted to show, um, the distance of the property line, um, to, uh, 80 Mims Road. And the width of the railroad, um, right of way is, is just shy of 60 feet. Um, this is an aerial, um, zooming into the right of way tract. This track. K two is the wall and landscape tract for this town home subdivision up here, as well as their tracked, um, h for open space. So the subject property property line starts right here. Um, just showing the locations of some other developments in the city where, um, the, the, there's, uh, the rights away close to property lines. So basically property lines start where rights of away stop. So there's, there's often not any spacing. Some subdivisions have like an open space track that separates the first parcel or the parcel lines from the right of way. So just some, um, series of slides that shows those types of examples. Um, I'm sorry, I went, I wanted to also highlight in this slide that, um, one of the main reasons why the property can't be accessed, um, off of 80 Mims is that there isn't sufficient right of way, um, to allow for the crossover to also allow for the separation for the railroad gate on both sides to make sure that there are no cars approaching or, you know, being on top of the railroad right of way. It is just a picture of the property from, um, Ohio shores, and then a picture of the railroad crossing as it exists. Um, now, and this is, uh, an aerial of the property zoomed in. Um, this slide was, the intent of this slide is to show other town home subdivisions where there's rights away that come near it. Um, but there are tracks of open space that separates the smaller town home lots from the roadway, which is essentially what, um, the two subdivisions that are, um, along a COA vista have and that this subdivision would have. So going into the site plan for the subdivision itself. So this is a land use plan since the rezoning is to A PUD. So this isn't actually the preliminary subdivision plan itself. This is just their concept that is required as part of the request for the PUD zoning classification. So, um, although all four parcels are, um, proposed as part of this rezoning, these three parcels up here, this one, um, this large one, the medium sized one, and this triangular shaped piece here will be untouched. Um, it will just have the PUD zoning, but because the bulk or essentially all of it, and the bulk of the bigger, the biggest property is wetlands. Our comprehensive plan policy requires a 25 foot buffer. So there's no way that, um, they could be required to provide any connections through here to Prairie Lake. Um, in terms of the development parameters that this land use plan is seeking, um, they're not changing the map from LDR, low density residential to medium density residential. They're staying with the LDR. This is only a rezoning. Their gross density, which is the number of units divided by the total acreage of 37.7, is 2.25. So two and a quarter units per acre, their net density. So basically this upland portion of the property at the, uh, proposed 84 units is 3.43. Both of those numbers are well below the LDR um, classification. Um, per the WVA standards, they're required to set aside 35% open space. They are proposing to set aside 56.5% open space, not counting the ponds. So all that you see in the blues and the orangey color are just set aside. That is what comprises the 56%. Um, in terms of access, it's limited by the wetlands and the railroad tracks. So the only means of access is the right of way. Um, that was planned in 2006 via the Coley Vista Parkway. Um, in terms of lot size, the LDCs minimum lot size width for a town home is 20 feet. They are proposing the smaller 20 foot lots on the interior. They're determining these as internal lots, um, and then larger lots at 24 feet and width, um, for the ones that there are on the perimeter of the property or of the project. Um, and looking at the other two town townhome subdivisions, they are of comparable size. Um, part of their, their, uh, amenities will be the tot lot that is here, um, as well as mapping or sort of delineating a walk path so that their residents can, when they go for a walk, they'll know how far that walk is for exercise purposes. Um, in terms of parking, the LDC requires a minimum of two parking spaces per single family unit. It does not make a distinction between whether that unit is town home unit, single family detached unit. Um, your traditional, um, single family home is just two units per dwelling unit. They are required 168 parking spaces. That's basically 84 times two. Um, and, but they're providing 289 parking spaces. 70 of those spaces are guest parking that were, that they've attempted to scatter along. Um, the development site, because this is a narrow strip here and because they're trying to be sure to stay away from the wetlands, um, they have placed the bulk of their, um, visitor parking spaces along the road here on the south side. Um, again, there's no connection to Prairie Lake Boulevard. Um, in terms of the technical staff review, when we received the zoning rezoning application, we looked at the school's capacity. A letter was sent, uh, the traditional form was sent to Orange County Public Schools. Um, they have received a letter from OCPS stating that there is available capacity for student seats for both, for all elementary, middle, and high school students. Um, we also looked at traffic impacts and, um, through our consultant, and based on that analysis, they adopt a level service standard for all segments. And so there are essentially four, um, built segments on Clark Road. And then the fifth one is the portion north of Clark Coley all the way to McCormick. Um, all of those segments are level service standard of d um, but their operating level service standard, meaning how they're operating now, is at a C. Our engineers also looked at the intersections, um, and looking at the traffic impacts of the intersections. What they found was that the, um, VC stands for volume, um, volume over capacity for the northbound direction. So turn, if you're on 80 mims, making a left going north onto Clark, that intersection is, um, is projected to operate at a level of a v oversee of volume over capacity of 1.0. What that means is, is close to failing where the volume of the intersection is at the capacity of the intersection. So the volume of turns at that intersection is at the capacity of that signal. Um, and what the engineering, um, consultant is recommending is just signal timing considerations when they come in for the PSP. Um, we also looked at it from a utilities perspective. Um, at the rezoning stage, what we look at is capacity. So based on, um, a review from our utilities department capacities are available for water, sewer and reclaim water and reclaim water lines are in the E Vista Parkway. In the current improved portion, um, sewer point points of connection will still need to be evaluated when they actually come in for the subdivision plan. Um, from the engineering storm water perspective, conceptually where they are proposing to place the two ponds, um, has been determined to be, uh, reasonable by our engineering and public works department. When we actually go to engineering the ponds themselves, that'll be at the time of the subdivision plan review. DRC met on January 2nd. Um, they, they, to consider the item, they didn't identify any major concerns, um, and made a recommendation of approval for the rezoning, um, with no conditions. So then the rezoning went to the planning zoning commission for a hearing on February 13th. Um, there was, uh, quite a bit of discussion I've placed in bullets there, all the topics that was discussed at, um, the planning and zoning commission hearing. So traffic on Clark and naco Vista School Bus Safety. Um, the school bus stop is based on looking at, um, OCP S'S website is at Clark and Ola Vista. Um, access onto 80 mims. You know, whether or not that's possible across the railroad track. Um, based on those other previous townhome projects, um, crossing the railroad track is either not possible or exceedingly challenging. Um, speeding situations, uh, drivers speeding on Clark Road. Um, noise from the train, natural resource protection. Um, they did highlight, you know, the eagle's nest there. This development, um, will not be impacting that. Um, there was a question of resident rays about the medium density of the development. This is again, low density. Um, concerns regarding people cutting through Prairie Lake Reserve, which is a gated community. And Prairie Meadows, which is not a gated community. Um, there was a lot of discussion on trees, um, specifically the trees in the Axis Road, so the city's right of way tracked. So between that track and the right of way, uh, for the rail, uh, staff had explained that some trees would have to come down as part of the construction of the city roadway. And then, um, there was questions regarding whether or not the development commu the developer will place fencing between this development and the railroad track. And I had asked that the applicants to talk on that topic. If, if the commission wants to, um, ask that further. Um, based on all of that discussion, the planning zoning commission made a recommendation of approval by a four to one vote for the rezoning from RR one A and classified an unclassified to PUD for those four parcels there for purposes of their gardenia point subdivision. Um, and with that staff is also making a recommendation of approval, um, for the rezoning. Thank you. Alright. And the applicant team is here? Yes. Yes. Mayor. An ordinance of the city of Ocoee Florida, changing the zoning classification from unclassified and R one, a single family dwelling district to PUD plan unit development district on certain real property containing approximately 37.37 acres. Located on the north side of the FCEN railroad tracks at the terminus of the unimproved O Coe Vista Parkway right of way and assigned parcel identification numbers 10 dash 22 dash 28 dash 0 0 0 0 0 3. Also 10 dash 22 dash 28 0 0 0 0 dash zero 11. Also 10 dash 22 dash 28 dash 0 0 0 0 dash 0 0 1 28, and zero three dash 22 dash 28 dash 28 34 dash zero one dash 2 0 1. Finding such zoning to be consistent with the eco E comprehensive plan, providing for and authorizing the revision of the official city zoning map prevailing in the event of any inconsistency providing for severability and providing for an effective date. All right, I'm gonna open the public hearing. Does, does the developer wanna make any comments? Good evening. Jason Sill, gray Robinson 3 0 1 East Pine Street, Orlando, uh, we concur with the staff recommendation. Thank you zoning manager Whitfield for the very thorough presentation. With me tonight is Jeff Summit, our project engineer. Happy to answer any questions. If there are any public comments we'd ask for a chance to respond to those. Thank you. Okay. I have two citizens here. Uh, first is Joe Fanna. Come up to the Good evening. My name is Joe Fanna and I am the president of the Prairie Lake Reserve Homeowners Association in District four. If you aren't familiar with our neighborhood, we're located at the end of a Coe Vista Parkway. I would like first to state that I support the growth in our community and don't oppose this new project. However, representing the homeowners in our neighborhood, we have great concern about the proposed exit of this neighborhood onto the extension of a Coe Vista Parkway. Currently the plan is to exit the subdivision to dump out onto the new extension of coa Vista Parkway. Running parallel to the train tracks along ad Mims making a sharp right turn that will lead to the current terminus of the current street. Now the concerns are the following, that an additional 80 to 200 cars dumping onto Clark Road from a COA Vista Parkway with no signal light will be a recipe for a multitude of accidents, if not serious injuries or death. In fact, there has been at least one death at that location. In addition to that, keep in mind that students sit at the corner each morning waiting to be picked up by their school bus that stops on Clark Road with little to no lighting and no supervision. In addition, emergency services, uh, we cannot forget, we have emergency services right there at 1600 Clark Road. Uh, the Fire Har Firehouse will struggle to exit from a coa Vista Parkway in the event of an emergency. Um, as it will become very backed up. They already struggle getting onto Clark Road now, but yet we're going to add 80 to 200 cars to that exit. Currently cars proceeding at a very fast pace from 80 Mims and Clark Road intersection. The visibility is extremely poor. Cars leaving a coa Vista Parkway in an attempt to get past the barrage of cars coming down from that intersection. Tried to dodge traffic, if you remember Frogger from the eighties trying to do Frogger to get across to the median so they can proceed, uh, uh, south onto Clark Road. Once the additional parcels of land owned by the developer in the city sell on the corner of 80 Mims and Clark, and also on Clark in a a COA Vista Parkway, where will that additional traffic funnel to? My recommendation would be for the new development to exit dump out directly onto 80 Mims Road, avoiding additional traffic onto Clark. Even though it can be exceedingly challenging, we heard exceedingly challenging multiple times, but we can't not look at that option and figure out how to do it for the safety of the kids. For the safety of my daughter, who is now a teen driver, uh, for the safety of our EMS, we can't do that just to say just because it's difficult. Um, so there are neighborhoods and facilities that exit over a set of railroad tracks. I think we can probably figure it out if we work together. I humbly ask that you consider this request and reevaluate the exit of this new subdivision. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you, sir. Um, and, and Jones, I was kind of hoping there'd be like some kind of little stool here or something. Okay. I'm Andrea Jo. I'm Andrea Jones. I live, uh, actually my house. You can see it on there. I live in the Prairie Lake subdivision. I gonna talk about similar things to Joe, but with a British accent instead of, uh, his announcer accent. So firstly, I've lived in a akoi since 2015. It's been the happiest place that I've lived. My family love living here. We especially like the racks department. We play pickleball a lot. So thank you for expanding and getting us some new courts. Our concern, we are not really particularly concerned with the subdivision, although it's gonna be very, very close to the back of my house. Our big concern is the road Joe went through in detail the traffic situation. I don't know if you've ever tried to turn out of a Coe Vista Parkway, regardless of which way you're going, if you're gonna try and turn left, you can't even wait in the median. So people take a lot of chances there coming out. Cars are coming so fast from either side. If someone daress to turn another way in the median, you have no way to go. Just in general, it's bad. Regardless of this new development, it could really use some form of looking at to see if anything can be done that's different. Um, it's just gonna be compounded with more traffic. But the other issue is the road that they're going to put between the railroad track and the, the houses that we have in our neighborhood now. We don't have a wall. We have sections of wall with just regular fences and the foliage there and the established trees do a phenomenal job of forming a sound barrier for us once those trees are gone. And it's nice that they might try to save some trees, but my guess is the trees are gonna be in the way. So they're pretty much gonna be taken away. What is there in place so that we will continue to have a sound barrier? Is there a consideration of a wall? Um, we are protected right now. The roads are getting busier and louder. Um, it would be nice if current residents would get some form of thought in this process because it's, it's not gonna be a positive impact to our life, let's face it. So if something could be done to mitigate that or some thought given to that, um, I personally would really appreciate that. Also, I don't know if you've ever considered like quiet zones for trains. Um, like Maitland, they're not allowed to beat their horns there. Um, some of our train drivers are great, some of them I don't know. They don't, I don't know why they're beeping their horn so loud at four o'clock in the morning, but they do. Um, so I don't know. Individual people can't apply for quiet zone for trains, but government entities I believe can. So I don't know if that's something we could look at, but that's few and far between. It, it's mainly the, just the regular everyday traffic that's loud. So, um, if some consideration can be given to that. I know a COE does a very good job with established trees. That's why our neighborhood is so beautiful. But recently I've noticed that new developments, they're just demolishing all the trees that have been there forever and they're putting these fast growth trees in that aren't good for the environment and they're generally not good for the homes that they're planted right by and they're just not as beautiful and not doing the job that they were there for. Um, so that's all I have to say, but thank you for taking the time to listen. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Anybody else in the public have any comments on item 13? All right, I'm gonna close the public hearing and bring it back up to the das. Any commissioners comments or motions? I have questions. Uh, okay. Uh, thank you to both of the members of the public that made comments. Those were great comments. Thank you. Um, on the traffic. Um, and I'm, I missed part of it 'cause I didn't find it in the written report. You said that the, uh, there's two issues. The Coe Vista Parkway and then the Clark ADMs intersection. Um, and you said that the, an engineer, you didn't say hours or theirs, said that the best solution was signal timing. And as the gentleman mentioned, um, there's still many undeveloped parcels at that intersection, so it's only going to get worse. Isn't there something, a better recommendation than signal timing available? Yes, sir. So in terms of the engineer, um, the city's consultant engineer, Kimberly Horn, um, who we contract with to do our reviews, um, their analysis showed that based on the city's concurrency management, concurrency management system for transportation, those four segments were all five segments, actually even north of Clark Clay Road, um, are operating at the or within the adopted standard. Um, understandably sometimes adopted standards and perceived standards are not always the same thing. So, um, sometimes perceived standards or perceived congestion is much worse than the adoptive standards. So, um, based on our contracted consultant engineers, the level service standard for the segments are operating acceptably the intersection at 80 Mims and Clark was the only one that they found where just that one turn would be. But that's where the, on the, pardon me, on the northeast corner, that's where the additional undeveloped parcels are? Yes. Mm-Hmm. The two, the one commercial piece. So, um, I agree with the citizen's comments. Um, there needs to be, what, what I've noticed with a lot of these projects is they come and we say there's no good solution and we push back and then somebody comes back with a great solution. Um, it seems to happen over and over and over, um, that that's not a good enough solution, especially because they've been messing with the signal timing at Clark coming the other way for years, trying to alleviate the southbound traffic coming out of Clark. What, and so if you mess with the signal timing, you're just gonna go back to where you were. I'm not satisfied with that. What we had discussed with our consultant engineers is, um, after Clark Road is done, completed and then traffic adjusts to the new lanes, then we would look at, um, either signal timing along the entire segment, um, if a traffic signal is warranted or not, that would require a traffic signal warrant. Um, we would follow the DTS methodology for how we would conduct that signal warrant at that time. Do you have, uh, do you know what is most likely to go in the undeveloped parcels at this time? And how many, this is 200 additional daily trips. How many additional daily trips is that gonna bring? Yeah, commissioner, uh, Mike Groomer, development services director, if I may. Couple things. Uh, first to answer your last question, the land has a commercial land use, so that is projected in the background traffic. Uh, one, there's two parcels. The the city owns one and, uh, the, the original developer owns the other. And there is a, uh, convenience station looking at that corner right now. But I will submit that also with the application is a transportation study done by a consultant as well. So it's not just a silo with the city looking at it. They have a professional that looks at it, makes a recommendation. We review it with our consultant and look at it. So if the, the study says that traffic signal is not warranted, not required, if we feel that that's a good idea, then what we have to do is we can apply the, the a proportionate share this development. Say it had 13%, we have to pay the rest, we have to design and engineer it. We can't put a commitment on them that is not required from the study. So that's where we, we say there's good options, but that's where we're limited. If a system is failing and a development comes in, you can't even apply proportionate share on that project if it's already failing. So we are, so there's, when we say there's good intentions, but you, you someone presents a better one. There is in this case a series of professionals that have reviewed it and agreed. Thank you. Of course. Thank you. Anybody else have comments? I have a couple of questions. Um, considering this is in district four, um, you, you just, um, Mr. Room, you just mentioned that there was, um, interest of a convenience store at that location. I heard, I thought I heard you say that I'm not, I'm not sure. Yes. The history of the parcel is Clark Road is a result of the Prairie Lake, PUD. The Prairie Lake, PUD are all the parcels on the east and west side of Clark Road north of Ad Mims up to Hackney Prairie. The PUD had a number of tracks. It has a commercial track on the northeast corner of Ad Mims and Clark. It's a little one acre tract. It has the development north of that, which are town homes and single family, the development north of that, which is town homes, which leads you up to Hackney Prairie. And then you go to the east side of the road, you have single family town homes. And then there was this, the commercial track on the north, uh, northeast corner, which the city, uh, had a good portion of it. And the original developer retains the rest. It has in the PUD, the commercial tract allows for, uh, retail restaurant commercial uses to include, um, convenience. And presently there is a seven 11 looking at the piece that is commercially zoned. And then the city retains as well a commercial piece. It's zoned that way. It, there's no change in use. It's not acreage, uh, agriculture land. So that is already pre-baked in this PUD, which required the widening the right of way, the construction of Clark Road, the intersection improvements, Prairie Lake Park. Um, so the subject parcel, however, is not a part of the original PUD. It has the land use of low density residential. If they were looking to amend the land use from up to four dwelling units an acre to something more, that's an additional trip that's not planned, that would have a different test than we're seeing right now. And then lastly, I just wanted to state for the benefit of the railroad crossing, there has been numerous discussions with both Florida Central Railroad who has the lease over the tracks from CSX in Jacksonville, there is not going, they're not going to permit a crossing at all. That's all I got, sir. So, so, um, you mentioned the commercial piece, uh, which the city owns a stake in the commercial piece there. We Own all of it. We had, we, we subdivided it, we sold the back half to the town homes. So in reality, the commercial tract has, will potentially have a development of less transportation trips that if it were to develop at, its at a good potential because we sold off and we amended the plan for the town home subdivision, uh, that we, that was constructed. So that generates less trips. The city retains three acres in front, and then the original developer has couple acres just to the north across from the fire station. I guess, um, looking at this in, in layman's terms is, is that I, I'm, I'm envisioning a seven 11 with a wide end of clock road. You got four lanes, you have, uh, coy Vista Parkway right there. So we, we are already discussing how do we get traffic out of there, considering the road is now four lane highway, a road, and there's folks traveling up and down that road, um, and trying to make a left turn outta there, you're going across 1, 2, 3, maybe four lanes to make a left turn, uh, with no buffer in the middle. So it's gonna cause a traffic nightmare. Then you add the possibilities of a convenience store right there at that corner. It, it, uh, to me it seems that it's going to add more congestion, getting in and out of there, uh, because you just stated that, uh, CSX or the, the owner who have owned the railroad tracks will not allow, uh, um, the developer to have access to, to, um, to ADMs road. So that, that causes, to me, it seems to me you have these homes and town homes nestled in this, in this one area and only one way to get in and out and, and, and I don't hear any, any, um, suggestions as to, uh, a light, uh, because not where there a light right there at, at 80 Mims and Clark Road right there. So now you're putting a light about a thousand feet away. Uh, so there's some concern there for me is that, um, the traffic is definitely a big concern, but also even beyond the traffic, um, the resident, thank you for your comment. The noise barrier, uh, between the railroad tracks is also another thing to, to consider, um, is the traffic and, and no solutions, uh, being brought forth to mitigate the risk of accidents on a road that's now four lanes as opposed to a two-lane road right now that we still have issues to, um, trying to get out and make that left turn or right turn. Alright, Mr First, no, I don't have any questions. The, um, impact fee that are collected on that project, you put it towards the traffic light. What would a traffic light cost at that intersection? If it's a thousand, I know if it's a thousand feet, it's enough. Yeah. It's not an issue with the separate, it's not an issue with the separation. It's, it's not warranted at this time. Just, it, it, so a cost would be upwards of $650,000 for a four-way traffic signal. How much at that 650,000 upwards of that? I, I didn't, I didn't think it'd be that much, but I mean, I mean, I'd love to see that on, on a quote, but all I'm, I, I mean, you know, I ride up, I ride everywhere. I I I ride that road a lot. Uh, and even though we're putting four lanes in, it's still going to be a struggle coming out of there to get out. And, and honestly, I, I know we put the railroad crossing in Prairie Lake Boulevard, but that was 'cause it's back further into the project. There's no way they'll let you put one across that. I mean, they, They, that's why we, as part of the other subdivision, made the provision for the right of way dedication. But if you physically look at it, you could not create a intersection that would work physically out there. The cars would have to stop, Know it's right there the road, but is there not, doesn't it go back further back? You'd have to do both sides and when you're on ad Mims, the cars would have to park in Ohio Road to be able to meet the separation at the crossbar for the gate and not block ad Mims. Well then I, I'd love to see the quote for the traffic light. Why would it be, uh, be that much? I thought most of those average anywhere around 300, 350,000. Don't it. We just, they just, the one they built in, uh, Ingram that has a little bit further span, but, uh, they are upwards of 650,000. What did we pay For mass arms? We don't do strain poles. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm huh, west That intersection believe, and it had a little bit longer span. It's a, it's a full, it's a lot of right of way out there, but yes, it is, it Is. I just, I I'm telling you, it is a dangerous place there coming out of that. Plus with the fire trucks. Do, do we even have that caution light there for the firetruck when the firetruck comes out? No. See there again, that should be there. You know, that, I don't know why it's not there. We should have that caution light going there, but, um, I, I don't, I just think it's a lot of traffic coming out of there, you know, in that, in that, in that area there, especially on Clark Road, people seem to come across that railroad track coming that way in a hurry. You know, they seem to be speed most times. And, uh, that's just, it's going be a guessing game to get out. So that's, that's my, my issue with it. Uh, I don't have a problem with the condos, but I got a problem with the exit or in, or out. So that I do have a problem with. May I ask, are we voting on the condos tonight or We're voting on the, uh, zoning resort? On the zoning. On the zoning. But it all pertains to the no pertains to the same thing. Okay. Anybody else? PD Huh? It's PUD. Anybody else got any more comments? If not, I, all right, Mayor, I just, one quick question. What is the, um, the, um, average, uh, um, selling prices of the, of the, uh, the new, uh, subdivision or the new the town homes? Did they have that information? The applicant would have to provide that. Okay. Okay. 1, 1, 1 other quick question. If, if we gonna sell that property off to somebody like seven 11, can they not put in money towards, towards that light if they're gonna go there? I mean, if, if that we gonna sell that other pieces of property, we take the money also put it into the lights from that, those projects, We would do a traffic study for those commercial pieces, however, it'd be a little bit different because they have vested trips based off of the commitments that they had to fulfill. And they've done with the dedication a right of way for Clark Road, the construction of Clark Road, the turn lane. So they would have a traffic study, but it would be more operational and, uh, that something may come up. Sim similar to, if you think of Fountains, west Boulevard, uh, there was a lot of development there. When the, uh, PUD came in for the Arbors, uh, there was still no requirement for a signal. And it, uh, that's where I got, I'm sorry, the 670,000 is, we're working with Orange County for a signal at West Road, and that's, that's what Orange County said. It's north of 650,000. Well, I mean, it seems to me like that, that they'd have to be able to participate and we got, you know, we put it with all of us and do part of it. And I just think it's a, I think it's a dangerous situation myself. It, you need to make a comment. I can, I can open back the public care real quick where you can make a comment if you want to. Thank you very much, and I, I appreciate the discussions. All of this was vetted at the PCC and as staff stated, we do have a, a, a traffic, uh, analysis that was commented on by the city. Also, if you're gonna deny our PUD zoning, I believe you're also inherently sitting, Mr. City Attorney could be denying our access to a public right of way. I would like the opportunity. I believe this is justified and merited and supported by comp competent, substantial evidence. However, if we're gonna get into the weeds and talk traffic study details, I'd like to be afforded the ability to have my traffic study engineer here together with a court reporter, and we could dive into these technical details. These are not issues that were foreseen or anticipated based upon the thorough of vetting that this project has gone through over a number of years. Um, what, Mike, what's your process? What's your thought? What, first of all, the traffic study that you've got already, what does it show? What, what does it show? It, it doesn't state that there's a recommended need to fix to provide a signalization or improvements at the intersection of department. Does It show it Cam? Yeah. Oh, yes, sir. I'll, I can read it. Thank you. Traffic Impact Analysis, city of Ocoee Florida, presented by T-M-C-T-M-C, traffic and Mobility Consultants. It's, as you can see, quite voluminous. I'll just read the, um, executive summary. And this mirrors what manager Whitfield had said in her presentation. Uh, access the one driveway connection on O coa, Vista Parkway extension intersection capacity. All study intersections currently operate within adopt a capacity and are projected to continue to do so at Build Out, including the project access driveway signal warrant analysis. This is what Mr. Rumor's talking about, the Clark Road and OCO Vista Parkway signal warrant analysis results indicate that a signal is not required at this intersection. And you have this, it was vetted. We received comments from Kimley Horn, we responded to those. This was thoroughly vetted as part of the normal standard process in the city. Well, the reason I'm asking that question is, and I keep telling people and what's happening on the north side of oco up off McCormick Road, back to that pop's building houses up there, everybody comes that way. I don't see how there's not a, the, the traffic is coming. Every bit of it's coming down that way in the morning and going back the afternoon. There's gotta be a, there's just gotta be a over abundance of traffic. I mean, I don't know, you know, where the traffic light warrant would come from, but I, that seems strange. I mean, that's okay. I we can keep talking it forever. We'll just have to vote. I mean, Yeah, mayor, just so wanna just say on, on, from staff's review as on behalf of the city and the land development code and comprehensive plan, we have to be careful between a contracted zoning. We can't say we'll give you PUD, but you're gonna give us A, B, and C. And we, we look at different elements of the project and, and propose this project as is. It still doesn't make you feel better or fuzzy as they say about the traffic, far as I'm concerned. Alright? Okay. Alright. Close the public hearing again and bring it back. Alright, commissioners. Um, no more comments. I need a motion Based on what's been said. I'm going to make the motion to approve Motion made by Commissioner Wilson to approve. Do I hear a second? I'll second that. Seconded by Commissioner Ner. Any more comments? No more comments. Let's vote. Motion fails. Three to two. All Right, Mr. Verify, since the issue seems to be centered upon the traffic analysis, I would ask for a continuance so that we may bring our traffic consultant to testify before the council answer any of these questions and more. And also would invite the Kimley Horton representative on behalf of the city. Uh, as I see it, that's the only possible alternative to go from here. It's After the vote. Oh, it's after the vote. I know it's after the vote. We, we can't do that. The vote already happened. Votes happened. I, I'm asking for reconsideration at the table. It would have to be, uh, someone, someone who, um, Uh, on the, on the on, on the, on the Prevailing side can, can move for reconsideration. It has, yeah. You're asking questions and we wanna be able to answer 'em. All right. It has to be a profe, the profe propelling vote would've to be a person that would bring that. So you're asking questions. We'd like to answer 'em. One, the voted no, right? No one to vote. Yes. So someone who voted no would have to make a motion for reconsideration. And, and then, and then a motion to continue. Well, we need a motion. So I, I haven't got one yet. I'll do that. Alright, now I need a sec. He's gonna make the motion do to continues. Motion. We need a first, need a motion to reconsider. Motion to reconsider. Let's do that first. I need a second. Can I second that in? I was, um, it has to be someone from the prevailing side. And is that correct? Motion As you go? I think as long as the movement. As long as it's, it's, it's, I think the, the second is okay. Yeah. As long as the movement was on the, uh, prevailing side. Commissioner Wilson Second. The motion. I'll, Can I ask a question before, before we vote? Hang on a minute. I'm sorry. Hang on. Motion made by Commissioner Kennedy. Seconded by Commissioner Wilson Wilson. And now, yes, sir. The, the, the question I have is, um, as opposed to, uh, a, a revolting and continuance, um, is there a process in place right now? If a motion fails to go back through the process with the city staff, um, or even PNZ to bring additional recommendations, they already know the questions we're asking and actually go back through the process to answer those questions and come back before the commission with a clean slate? Yeah. Six months, not for six to nine months. Could they start that six months, isn't it? Yeah, six months. You can, Can I, can I make a comment too? I voted just because of we were rezoning to A PUD, correct? That was what the issue was. Correct. Traffic was not on that item. Correct. Is that why? That's why I, again, that's why I voted yes. Because of for what the item meant for us. So I'm assuming I was correct in what we're doing. It's correct. But now we're in the process. We're going to vote on this. Conti uh, traffic Is a consideration in the staff report Was report too. I Mean, and, and in the evidence, uh, presented, uh, by the community. Yeah. So call the Question. I am, um, question called, um, we need to vote To Reconsider. Um, now we're voting on this last motion. Would would be Yes. Are we voting In? Yeah. Vote. Motion carries. Uh, commissioner Oliver voted no. So motion carries. Four to one will come back on a, they can come back. Reconsideration. So I need to make a motion to, uh, continue, Rick. Yeah. Uh, so the, uh, on reconsideration, I will make the motion to continue this item to allow the applicant to bring, uh, his staff and, uh, answer more of our questions and seek better solution Motion. So may, do I hear a second? I'll second that. Second by Commissioner Ferman. Any more comments? Let's vote. Motion carries unanimously. Alright, thank you. You're welcome. Okay. All right. Thank you. Alright, we're going down to the, uh, regular agenda, approval of commission liaisons to various boards. City clerk, melody, Good evening commission Before you and your staff report, we had provided a list of the 2023, um, appointments that were made to the various boards for the liaisons. Um, we're just requesting as done in the past, um, that if there are any changes that are needed to go ahead and do those this evening. Also, just, um, we did note on the staff report, since the West Orange Airport Authority is not presently active, um, staff is not seeking an appointment at this time for that board, Uh, form. Alright. In the West Orange Airport Authority, Mine's not, I'm not, I mean, I read it at home, but it's not, I want to be on the, uh, it Keeps circling. So we need to name read 'em off from the start. So the first, um, advisory board that we have on the list is the Parks and Recreation Board. Currently, commissioner Wilson is lays on. I would like to remain on that Board. I move. We put Commissioner Wilson. Do you wanna just go ahead and go down the list and Then, we'll, I can't do it as mayor On motion. We keep Commissioner Wilson on. Gimme a second, second, second by commissioner first. So let's, let's vote on that. Make motion Sheriffs come up. No, it's right there. That's not coming up. Alright. Motion carries. You Unanim. Alright, next. The following board that we have is the Citizens Advisory Board for the police department. I wanna stay currently. Commissioner Kennedy is the liaison. I Wanna stay there. I'll make that motion Chair. Second. Second. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. Second by Commissioner Firster. Let's vote. Commissioner Kennedy stays there. Oh, I'm so sorry. Can we vote again? Uh, it still ain't come up yet. Vote again. Did you say vote again? Yes. Motion carries. Next one. Thank You. Currently for the citizen advisory for the fire department, we have Commissioner Furner. Who? Commissioner Furner. Yes. I'd like to continue with that. I'll make that Motion. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. Here. Second. I'll second. I second. Seconded by Commissioner Kennedy. Let's vote. All right. The next, the next board is the Human Relations Diversity Board. I wanna be on that. We had Commissioner Hart at the time. Okay, I wanna be on that. I'll make the motion. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. Second, please. I'll second. Second of a Commissioner. Kennedy, I vote. Motion carries you Unanim. Next, The next one is the personnel board. Currently, mayor Johnson. I wanna stay on it. I'll make that motion. Motion made by Commissioner Kennedy. You second? Second. Second by commissioner. First let's vote. Motion carries you. Unanim. Next, The Tri-County League of Cities. We currently have Commissioner Wilson. I'd like to stand that. I'm on the board Your motion. I'll make a motion. Motion made. Commissioner Kennedy. They hear a second. Second. Second. Commissioner Firster. Let's vote. Motion carries you. Unanim. Next, The, well, the West Orange Airport Authority. We're not voting on which one. The West Orange Airport Authority Chamber of Commerce. We have city manager. Frank, I want to, I think, Mayor, we did talk earlier and I, I was just thinking about it. If you they don't require, there's no approval required from the board. It's just whatever y'all agree to here. So I was thinking, just so I don't disappear on them, if you could, um, I'd like to do it until the end of July and then if you could at this point, um, appoint from August 1st on, um, Mr. Chadwicks. Alright. Do we hear a motion? I'll make that motion. Motion may be commissioner first or seconded by commissioner. I second. Um, were you seconded? Commissioner. Commissioner Oliver. Oliver? Yeah. Alright, let's vote. All right. Motion. Carrie. Ashley, that it Mm-Hmm. Nope. We have the Education Incentive Board that currently has. Mayor Johnson Education Board. Uh, I'll keep it. I'll I'll do it. I mean, nobody else wants it. I'll do it. I'll, I'll, I'll I'll take the board. Board. You want the education? Yes. All right. I'll make that motion. Commissioner Wilson makes the motion to hear. Second, second, second about commissioner. First, let's vote. Mayor. Motion carries you unanimously. Do I hear? What's the next one? And the last one is the Metro Plan. Orlando Municipal Advisory Committee. Currently we have Commissioner Furner and city Manager. Frank, as an alternate member, I would like to, uh, let somebody else take a swing at the Metro Plan. I've been down there. Number I hold, hold on folks. Hold on hand that I, I'm going hand the gavel over to I mo I This is my last Moment of doing This. Commissioner Kennedy. Oh, you can do it. You gotta make the motion. I'm, I'm making a motion. Well, no, you make the motion. I'll make the motion. We put Commissioner Kennedy. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Okay. Well that was pretty, you jumped right in that one. Thank you very much. Okay. Motion by the mayor for Mr. Kennedy to be on the plan. Second by Commissioner Furner. Let's vote. Alright, what About the mayor? That was my last official duty. Mayor, you know, mayor Because Mayor Pro Timm is, uh, The next one Up. Vote Commissioner Kennedy, Mayor Pro Tem was on consent. And that would be, um, commissioner Kennedy. Commissioner Kennedy. Oh, you probably should have taken that. So you're the new Mayor Pro Tim, right? Yep. Yes sir. Okay, thank You. How many Chances we, that's all the boards, right? That's correct. Send that out to everybody. Will we will. What the boards were Alright, now we're gonna skip over to school zone speed enforcement. Hey, by the way, chief, come up front before I do this, I'm sorry. I apologize. I should have done that earlier. My mind was outside. I want the city manager to go ahead and tell everybody what we did. You did today. Well, I, yeah, actually, I, I I think it's fairly well known at this point, mayor, but, um, acting Chief Ogburn was appointed, uh, permanent police chief this morning. And, And Matt, what we would like to do is, um, maybe have, uh, some brief ceremony where we can like officially swear him in at the next meeting. We thought it would be a little quick to put something together for today. Yeah. So, um, then, um, chief Ogburn, if he wants to bring his family in to pin his same color badge on him again, he can do that, but congratulations. Congratulations, chief. Congratulations. Thank you. First, I would like to thank the city manager, mayor, and the commissioners. Uh, this is not an appointment that I take lightly. Uh, the agency's mission will remain the same. Um, we're going to partner with the community to improve the lifestyle here in oco. Um, I'm very honored and humble, so thank you. Congratulations. All right. Now we can talk about the school zone speed enhancement enforcement camera program. So, back in November, there was a contract that was, uh, signed in commission, which allowed us to upgrade the red light cameras, the current ones in the city to better technology. But also in that contract was the, uh, ability for us to implement school zone enforcement, school, school zone speed enforcement cameras. Uh, in order to do that, an ordinance would need to have been drafted and one has been drafted. And the option I stand before you today is, is to ask commission if you want to move forward with it, with the ordinance. If not, we can stay status quo or we can go move forward with the ordinance and start the implementing of these schools on enforcement cameras. I think the, the chief has laid it out fairly, um, directly the choices that y'all have. Um, so just to go over 'em right now, um, we do have the availability of these cameras at some point in the future, but state law says if you ever want to start using them, you have to go through the, um, the ordinance process first and second reading. So you can, I'm sorry, my, my mic's, my mic keeps going on. So you can do nothing at this point knowing we have a contract that would allow that to happen at some point in the future, but you'd have to have a first and second reading of the ordinance. The other thing you can do is you can direct staff to move ahead with the ordinance and have your readings, but not go ahead and install any of the cameras right now. If you decide that's something you wanna do in the future, um, really can be done, uh, within a couple weeks just getting the contractor to go and put the, uh, cameras in. The third option you have is to go ahead and authorize, uh, moving ahead with the ordinance and, uh, directing one or two or any other designated number of cameras, uh, to proceed with them with our contractor at this point. Okay. Anybody else ever have any discussions on it? Commissioner Wilson? I know a few weeks ago I had some concerns regarding these cameras, but I think I've had a change of heart looking at the statistics that you presented to us. Um, I think not knowing and um, you know, I was volunteering at a program at the high school about a month ago, and I took my life in my hands bringing myself and my vehicle into the parking lot when these kids were being dismissed. And I thought I was gonna be creamed. I real, I mean, I just kind of almost came to a standstill. And then you look at these statistics and I mean, we have to protect our children. And I looked at the ones for the high school Citrus Elementary. Um, it's eyeopening. And um, it's a great concern to me 'cause we do not every life is important. So I, I personally feel the ordinance putting it in place and if we move forward with the cameras, that's one thing. But, um, to put the ordinance in place to start, I'm always concerned regarding Tallahassee changing things on us and we're being grandfathered in. I'm always concerned next year what, what are they gonna do? That's, um, just something that's always happened. But some of these statistics that I'm looking at, if I'm reading 'em correctly, um, are scary. Am I wrong? That what I'm looking at? No, you're not wrong at all. So that's, that's my opinion. I know a few weeks ago I really wasn't so positive, but I think the statistics talk. So that's where I stand and where I, where I feel what we should be doing. But that's, I'd be interested to hear what other commissioners have to say and matters of commission. Anybody else got any comments? I do. Uh, commissioner Wilson, is that your fur option two, is that correct? I'm for putting the ordinance as You read it. The ordinance in. Okay. And then, um, we can move forward with the cameras at a later point. That's what you called to at least to get the ordinance in. Um, I'm, I'm for three, Which is, Um, I know we, we all wish there was an officer on every one of those corners writing tickets for every single mile over. Um, but as, uh, commissioner Wilson said, the statistics of people going 10 miles an hour over is scary. And if we can at least curb that, um, and continue to recruit and hire and get more, you know, the ideal world. So, um, I've looked at it, I'm all for it. Um, I would like to do the ordinance and proceed. So my question is, how, how do we, do we do a rank to vote? How do we decide which of those three we do? I'd leave the city attorney to answer That one. I think, I think by consensus you can direct staff to, uh, put this, uh, on a future agenda. You can. Um, and then it would have to be advertised and, and all of that. So once we put the ordinance in, we can come back for the level of cameras. Correct. And and the ordinance that, that I, um, revised, I, I made sure that we had all of the elementary schools identified here. Citrus of course, is the one probably of most concern, uh, to you, I would imagine. So we can, if you want number three. I can't, I think tonight. One vote For two, One vote. I think if you can come to a consensus to move ahead with the ordinance, we can put that together in discussion. The second reading for the ordinance, you can at that point decide should we move ahead and install or should we, not at that time, But the ordinance will allow us to have the cameras. Right. Then we can go ahead and say yes. We want them at a certain location after the ordinance is in. Right. If we go ahead with the ordinance, it changes your three to your three choices to two. Yeah. And yes or no at, at the second meeting. Um, do we want go ahead and put any in at that time? And, and commissioners also, it also gives us the opportunity if we install cameras at one school. We don't have to do it another one until later. We don't have to come to council to ask. Can we do it? Yeah, that'll, the ordinance allows us to do it. 'cause it's all been Approved. Everybody okay with you making a motion for that? We need the motion. Yeah. I'll second her motion. Okay. I'm, yeah, I'll make the motion. Do you know what the motion is? You, you know what motion? The Motion is? Direct the city. Um, a manager to put this on, uh, a future agenda. Alright. To get this, um, to right Second. I Got it. Thank you. You seconded it, right? Yes, sir. Alright. Motion made by Commissioner Wilson. Seconded by Commissioner Kennedy. Any more comments? Not let's vote. Thank you. Okay. Carries you Nancy. Alright. Thank you. Thanks Chief. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. All right. Discussion and direction regarding golf carts and low speed vehicle use within the city of oco. Assistant city manager. Chad, I feel like I've been at the end of a very long round of golf. You feel that good? Is that, is that the golf? Is that the golf cart? So at least you get to ride the carts now. You don't have to walk. Only this thing would come up. Mine's having, mine's having problems. Melanie, why does mine keep spinning? There it goes back. Here we go. So I'm going to, for the record, Craig Chadwick's, assistant city manager. Hopefully I'll get some of the techno voiceover effect that some of you have been experiencing. We do have people working on that to resolve it. And, um, I can assure you it's gonna get looked into immediately. Um, I'll give you the option. I have a fairly lengthy presentation, um, that dives into the statutes regarding both golf carts and, and a a less often talked about animal called a low speed vehicle. Okay. Now, commissioner Oliver had shared a little, actually a very effective little cartoon with me on video and I didn't have time to pull it up, but if you're interested in watching a cartoon on that, um, it's online. I'm sure if you Google that. Um, so I'll leave it up to you. I can kind of paraphrase this. As you all recall, this was Innocuously brought up at a commission meeting several meetings ago with respect to some citizens that, um, had expressed interest in their neighborhood. I believe it was Safety Harbor. Um, having a resolution done, adding them to our, our golf cart communities. And then discussion ensued about what about letting the, the state statute apply. There we go, arigato. So hopefully some of you got that. Um, So I'm gonna dive in here just first and foremost, golf carts under the Florida Statutes three 20 section one subsection 22 defines a golf cart as a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes. And that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour. Golf carts may be operated on roadways that are designated for golf carts. There are some already approved in Ocoee, which we all know of, and I'll show you a map momentarily. And, and they have a posted speed limit of 30 miles per hour or less. Golf carts are not titled or registered and not required to be insured use on municipal streets. Must be specifically designated by that municipality with signage. That's what we have now. We're kind of a, a little neighborhood golf cart community. And, um, that's where some of the discussion, additional discussion arose. Continuing on, um, golf cart use on a two lane County road located within the judici jurisdiction of a municipality has to be designated by that municipality before making that designation. The responsible local government entity must first determine that golf carts may be safely, uh, may safely be operated on or across the public road or street. And, you know, there's a lot of factors that can go into that. But one thing that's implicitly clear in the statute is, is we need to determine the safety of a road that golf carts are allowed to operate on. Golf cart may be operated on part of the state highway system, believe it or not, only under the following conditions. However, to cross a portion of the state highway system, which intersects a county road or municipal street that has been designated for use by golf carts. If the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes, and upon its determination that golf carts may be operated on a given road, the department shall post appropriate signs on the road to indicate that such operation is allowed. And golf carts must be equipped with efficient brakes, reliable steering, safe tires, a rear view mirror, red reflectorized warning devices in both the front and the rear. Um, very important here because of some recent incidents that have occurred in the city, a golf cart may not be operated on public roads or streets by a person who is under 18 years of age unless he or she possesses a valid learner's permit or valid driver's license. Um, also, um, it cannot be operated by a person who is 18 years of age or older, unless he or she does have that va valid form of government issued photographic identification. Um, a local government entity may enact an ordinance relating to golf cart operation and equipment, which is more restrictive than the statute. And, uh, that includes golf cart operation on sidewalks adjacent to specific segments of municipal streets, county roads, or state highways within the jurisdictional territory of the local government entity. If, and it's a big if for sidewalks, if we determine that after considering the condition and current use of the sidewalk, the character of the surrounding community and the locations of authorized golf cart crossings, that golf carts, bicycles, and pedestrians may safely share the sidewalk. Okay? Additionally, we would have to consult with the de Department of Transportation before adopting the ordinance. The ordinance would restrict golf carts to maximum speed of three miles per hour and permit uses on sidewalks adjacent to state highways only if those sidewalks are at least eight feet wide. Um, initially an ordinance would require that golf carts to meet the equipment requirements, um, that I just mentioned. Um, however, it may require additional equipment including horns or other warning devices required by, uh, one of the, the sister statutes, the local government entity posts appropriate signage. So we have to put signage up and inform residents that the ordinance exists and apply to such sidewalks. So that's a, let me just stop there for a second. Golf carts. We, we really, we have to designate the areas where they can operate. We have to post signage. That's a, that's a big difference for between the golf cart and the other little animal, the low speed vehicle. Okay, very important for you to know 'cause you've got a couple of options. Um, now let's switch gears for a minute and talk about low speed vehicles. Low speed vehicle means any four wheel vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour, but not greater than 25 miles per hour, including, but not limited to neighborhood electric vehicles. Low speed vehicles must comply with safety standards as outlined in Florida statute three 16, subsection 2122, which will go over very briefly, although they may look the same as golf carts. Low speed vehicles must have a registered license plate in order to drive around city streets. The operation of a low speed vehicle or a mini truck keep little vehicle that either runs on propane or, or, um, electric, um, battery power that looks like a little truck with a tiny little cab on it, um, is defined in section three. Section three 20.01 on any road is authorized with following restrictions. The, uh, low speed vehicle may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or less. This does not prohibit a low speed vehicle or main truck from crossing a road or street at an intersection where the road or street has a posted speed limit of more than 35 miles per hour. A low speed vehicle must be equipped with headlamps stop lamps, turn signal lamps, tail lamps, reflex reflectors, parking brakes, rearview mirrors, windshield seat belts, and vehicle identification numbers must speed vehicle or mini truck must be registered and insured according for the statutes entitled pursuant to, uh, check for three 19. Any person operating a low speed vehicle or mini truck must have in his or her possession of valid driver's license. Um, I just kind of went over this, so I'm gonna skip it. Now. This looks awfully similar to a golf cart, doesn't it? But this is actually a low speed vehicle 'cause it meets all of those designated requirements that are designed for safety. And therefore, these vehicles can go way more places in the city currently without an ordinance in place, just under the statute than a golf cart can 'cause they've jumped through the hoops. Um, there is actually an entire section that deals with conversions of golf carts and the process that you go through, um, to do that. Um, it's, it's a series of forms and documentation requirements and, um, depending on how good a record keeper you are, um, it's a pretty simple process. So let's switch gears. Finally. I'm, I'm done. The, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm in the fairway on the 18th hole here, so bear with me. Um, our, the OCO ordinance, you know, in our ordinance, a golf cart can be operated between golf cart communities that are adjacent only if such provision is specifically included by the COI Commission and the resolution of proving the golf cart community. So we, we have an ordinance in place, we'll point out. We, we need to do a little bit of a cleanup to make it consistent with statute, I believe with regarding the age requirements. Um, so that's something if you choose to continue forward with the, uh, current setup that needs to be done and have already spoken to, uh, planning about that. But, um, the golf cart being operated on a golf cart permitted street with a posted speed limit of 25 miles per hour or less may for the sole purpose of continuing travel along such street, be operated across an intersecting street for the posted speed limit in excess of 25 miles per hour, but not to exceed 35 miles per hour. Only if such intersection is governed by four-way, stop, sign, or traffic signal. Otherwise, a golf cart may not be operated across any intersecting street with a posted speed limit in excess to 25 miles per hour. Stop there for just a second. 'cause there's been some discussion about should we lower the speed limit on certain streets. Um, Orlando Avenue, um, came up as part of that original discussion. We actually did a speed study out there, and the, the average speed in the 85th percentile was 37 miles per hour. And we reached out to, um, Kimley Horn, who is our, our traffic operations consultant. And, um, they in fact, um, stated that the current context of the road, which it functions as a, a collector, which we really don't use those terms anymore. It's, it's a suburban neighborhood roadway or a C3, which don't confuse that, but C3 zoning, that's totally separate, but the context doesn't support lowering speed limit. Um, in addition to the published handbook standard, does it support lowering? So, um, that's not something that we are, would be proposing as an option in that particular case. Um, continuing on through our ordinance, except as provided in section 1 53 19 below, golf cart shall only be permitted to operate within a golf cart community or on a golf cart permitted street during the hours between sunrise and sunset, unless it's equipped headlights, brake lights, turn signals, and a windshield, it can be operated within a golf cart community or on a golf cart permitted street during the hours between sunset and sunrise. Um, we have resolutions for the following neighborhoods. I'm not gonna read them all into the record. Um, and we have a map here which shows that currently permitted, signed, posted, um, golf cart neighborhoods in blue, and the little outline went in red, uh, Drive on Silver Star COI Popular Road. You see, there's a large list of roads that golf carts cannot cross or drive on. Okay? Low speed vehicles can drive on most city streets and they can even cross State Road 50. Um, so a low speed vehicle that's been approved by the, the DMV and registered and insured has all those little safety features that are required that looks like a golf cart, um, can drive just about anywhere in o Co right now. So you have a couple options that I'd like, um, for you to consider and discuss tonight. Um, and you can always punt that to a future date, but I wanted you to understand first and foremost that, um, you have a community that has a lot of people with golf carts that like driving around in their neighborhoods. Okay? So one option would be to maintain status quo with the process that we currently have, um, for neighborhoods mindful that they can't get out on streets that are above 25 miles per hour. And if they do, they're subject to citation. So one option would be to, to keep that in place. And neighborhoods such as Sleepy Harbor could petition the commission to adopt a resolution, including them as a golf cart community, which would then require us to post signage and define the boundary by resolution. Okay? You don't have to do anything for low speed vehicles, okay? The only other option you have would be to just say, we want to just allow low speed vehicles only, um, and repeal the golf cart ordinance and people can drive their low speed vehicles, um, darn near anywhere. I think, you know, based on the fact that you have a, a lot of people that, um, have golf carts may not, they may not want to convert them to a low speed vehicles. There are several communities, and I didn't bring a list that have gone to low speed vehicle only. Um, and there are, uh, just as many communities that have designated golf carts for the people that just want to putter around the neighborhood and they allow the low speeded vehicle or the statute. So the question before you is, is, um, very simple. Do you want to continue on the way things are or do you want to restrict it? And, um, separate and apart from that, um, was the original question that came up, I believe about Sleepy Harbor, which you would need to, um, by motion or consensus direct us to bring back a resolution to incorporate that neighborhood. So I will, um, conclude my presentation there. I'm exhausted That He put it on that one. He hit that one in the woods. So any com commissioners have comments? I do. Um, yes, I brought this up a while ago. I tend to think we have a fair amount of people that have golf carts that if they're an approved golf cart community or golf cart streets, we could continue to allow that and let's neighborhoods that want to be included in that situation. Um, let's just use Sleepy Harbor. They're kind of a landlocked, they can't cross over Orlando Avenue, but if they wanted to, they could com, you know, go within the streets within the neighborhood. And just as we've done Admiral's point as that, that they have to stay within Admiral's point. Um, I would like to stay with that. Now we have the electric, the other, what do you call them? Low speed vehicles. Low speed vehicles. Um, I haven't seen too many of those out on Orlando Avenue. I understand I will be seeing some out on Orlando Avenue getting a head shake over here. Um, but I don't know how many we have in the community. A lot. We do have a lot. Yeah. Most, Okay, so folks are converting to those. Um, I just would like to continue to allow in the neighborhoods that, um, that they would be able to use the basic golf cart within the communities, the community they live in, and make designate with the, um, signage that this is, and knowing they can't go off on or they can't, in my case, they can't cross over Orlando Avenue and let I, you know, I have no problem going to the HOA and ask if they want that. Let them designate a request that we do that. That's my thought. Commissioner. Anybody else? I do, I I I have a problem with that, which I'm gonna reiterate, which is Sleepy. Sleepy Harbor is that sleepy Harbor. Sleep Harbor, um, is not a gated community. I disagree. I don't think an a a non gated HOA has any role in dictating to the residents whether they can drive golf carts on City Street. I, that's what I don't like about the golf cart zones and the ordinance. Um, the who, five people out of 502 people who's gonna apply those H HOAs are not full deed restricted HOAs, mandatory HOAs with control over the streets. When you have a gated community that HOA owns the streets, owns the drainage, owns the sidewalk, and has the right and the PRI to determine things like golf carts. Um, I just totally disagree with the way the ordinance is crafted. I don't understand it. I don't understand why commissioners would be involved in one ING request for neighborhoods. The neighborhoods either meet the requirements or they don't. Um, it should be set up in the criteria of the ordinance. Uh, I agree with the low speed vehicles completely, and, um, I'm willing to allow golf carts per the statute is my opinion. Um, but I do not like the, the a process where a commissioner goes out to a neighborhood and meets and and we confer some right. Or we don't confer some right to apply. I just don't understand that. I don't think that makes any sense at all. Um, I would agree to, uh, rewrite the ordinance to update the age. Um, but I, I totally dislike and I, and I don't think there's any good, um, from the structure of the golf cart zones by neighborhood, especially for these non gated communities that frankly have, excuse me, should really have no say that governing the HOA does not govern the streets we do. And, uh, that's my position. Thank you. Anybody else? I, uh, I agree with recommendation number one, but I also think that the city needs to put out some type of A PSA explaining the difference between golf carts and low speed vehicles to everyone. So that will inform the public that if they do want to drive on public streets, they can, uh, make the, the modifications to their golf courts to comply with that state statute. Uh, a lot of them probably don't know the difference between those two type of vehicles, and they probably think that golf courts have, uh, unlimited accessibility and everything. They're probably not aware of the ordinance either. So it, it just, the public education needs to be increased and everything, so everybody knows what we're talking about. Anybody else? I tend To agree with the, uh, educational piece, uh, that, uh, commissioner Ner just mentioned, but I also, um, would have to agree with, uh, most of the comments of Commissioner Kennedy that, uh, if a community is a gated community was planned that way, then they have every right to, uh, uh, to control the streets and what types of vehicles that they want on their streets because they, it's a private community. Now, when we have communities that are not gated, that means that there are our streets. So now we have our police officers now patrolling, uh, and trying to figure out who to give tickets to on, um, either low speed vehicles or golf carts. So, and I appreciate your Mr. Reto, um, comment as well. So, um, yeah, you know, I can agree with the, the, the first recommendation. Um, but I also have to kind of be a little more pragmatic about this whole thing because in my neighborhood we have, it's not a gated community, but I, but we do have, um, I would, I would venture to say they're, they're low, low speed vehicles because they, they travel really fast. But the problem I have with it is this, I see a lot of kids driving them, and that's what scares me. So whether it's my community or your community or any other community, um, I think we need to, to, to figure out how to, how do we, how do you regulate that? Who jumps on this cart? Because again, a police officer's not gonna always be around and, um, there's kids that's out joy riding on low speed vehicles and golf carts. So the question becomes, how do we regulate this? Uh, or do we just leave it to gated communities to do it? So I'm, I'm kind of torn between, uh, uh, the comments. Um, but my, my main concern is always the kids and that I see on those, uh, low speed vehicles and the golf carts. So are we saying, mayor, that you're going to wipe out the, now I'm not talking about gated communities. They own the streets. That's not the issue. The issue is the non gated communities. So are we going to tell all the folks that we have already made a golf cart? Golf cart, not the other, the other low speed vehicle. Are we telling everyone that's in a golf cart that now we're not going to allow that anymore? And all you can have is a low speed vehicle. Are we telling them that this, this is very confusing. I'm gonna use Admiral Point. We're gonna tell Admiral's point, no, you can't do this anymore downtown. They're allowing golf carts. I think it's on that area here. This map is a little hard to figure out, but, um, are we telling folks that are in the downtown area that were able to use a golf cart before you're not gonna be able to use it anymore? That's what, that's where I think I'm, I'm very confused as to, I guess this goes to Mr. Kennedy. What are you saying? I'm saying are you saying wipe it out? Totally. No, I'm saying the complete opposite Because I'm not, what I'm saying is, if there is a non dated community, right? That the streets meet the statutory requirements for golf carts to be allowed, they should be allowed. And there is no need for anybody to apply to us for anything other than the signage. Well, that's the, that's the issue. If I could clarify something. Okay. Um, we have to designate those for golf carts. Okay. So, But you can do it by criteria, not by You could, there's the savings, not By, I went and met with this HOA, these three people, and I waved a magic wand and made sleepy Harbor a commune. Correct. You know, the city when, when this first came up, there were certain neighborhoods that wanted to do that. So in response to that, we move forward with it. But, um, we still have to have an ordinance in place for golf carts because regardless of whether, and, and the statute's very clear that we have to do the designation and we have to do the safety determination and so on and so forth, and we have to put the signage up And we should. So, um, it could be, but There shouldn't be anybody excluded from that. No, You shouldn't have to. I mean, we have this thing right now where there's some neighborhoods that aren't that qualify. Correct. Because they haven't, I guess, met with the right person or filed the right form. I mean, that's, that may you're, you're conferring and not conferring special rights that are governed by statute. But we have to put signage and we have to make a determination. So normally what you would do is have someone come forward and say they'd like that to be The, some streets Don't have anyone a golf cart. So we don't need to do that. It doesn't matter if they have one, if they have one hypothetical person that may someday want a golf cart and it's legal under the criteria for that person to be able to drive a golf cart, they should be able to do so legally, our, our country does not exist. That I have to tell you in advance and seek your permission for any Right. That I have, that I might want to exercise in the future. If the street meets the requirement, I should be able to drive my golf cart on it in my neighborhood. But then the person we have to go out and evaluate The street. Yeah, go do it. Well, we have all the streets. We know what street call Every street site. We know what street qualifying That's almost every street. Yeah. Do you want signage on every street? If you're gonna allow golf carts, yes. I don't think it should be Pick and choose. And, and I don't. I think they should come forward and just ask us to evaluate the street. But Who come forward, someone On the street comes forward to us and says, would you evaluate my street and put a sign on it? Why? What's the problem with having someone come forward That's a complete waste of time with this commission? Well, it's a lot of waste of time and a lot of money for signage. If someone does not want it or doesn't have a need for it, Hey, You can't argue a negatively, Hey, I can argue. Hey, Craig. Yes sir. What, what's the difference in us in Winter Garden? I mean, hell, they got what? Golf carts everywhere. Yeah. I mean, they, they're on the streets and I, I don't see signs. I mean, I see 'em on the back streets. I see 'em on the front streets. Huge area that signs, we're gonna make this into a quagmire. Here is what we're doing. Winter Garden has signs that say, I know, but they don't have 'em everywhere. I know, I've been on the back street since there's golf carts back there. If you drive my golf cart, for instance, is legal except for going on over 35. Whatever it is, it's legal. You have, I believe, a low speed vehicle. Okay. Which Is a big difference. Well, I can't do 60, but I'm just saying this, let's, why is it not simple to do what somebody like they did? But just say, if it's, if you're on that road and it's not legal, then you get a ticket. Why go through all that? I mean, just say you can ride the golf carts in oco if it's only a 25 or up to 30 or 35, whatever it says it is. What's wrong with doing that? There's nothing wrong with doing that. If you wish to do that, then you need to direct us to conduct the proper analysis and bring that back as a Resolution. Well, let's do that Clean up of the ordinance. And, um, we may, I, I don't know how much estimating how much this appropriate signage would be if it's What we would have on Hand. So if I could, if I could just comment very, Very Briefly, um, I actually called up to state statutes here. And I think part of the reason that we did it by individual subdivisions was because if you read the statute, it says that every road operated by, um, a county or the municipality or goes in and talks about water management districts, each particular road must be authorized for those golf carts. So I think instead of us going and looking at every road in the city and saying, yes, no, yes, no. Yeah, it was probably easier to do this in smaller bites and say, yes, all the roads within this subdivision are fine. Yes, all the roads within this subdivision fine. Yeah. So the only other way, another way to do it would be to maybe look at each subdivision and then just, you know, bless them all at once. And, uh, but it, it's clear that it has to be looked at under the guise of, is this road safe to have a golf cart on? And only after that determination has been made, can someone drive a golf cart on it. So I think that's kind of where we're, the sticking point we're seeing is we don't really have an issue with it, but as the owner of the road, we have to go out to each of these roads and say, yes, it's safe and it should be allowed here. And, uh, I mean, it's authorized. That's what you should do. That's the thing with, but if you're up in your neighborhood, they can't ride that golf cart down to O coi. Correct. I mean, that's just cross. You can't, can't cross that road with, with a Correct. So I mean, that solves those problems. But, 'cause he said simply the stat, I mean, the statute says, Just put the statutes out. Assess each road. That's what we live by. Just assess it by road. Just assess it by road. Just 'cause he read simply, Like I said, if it's got speed limits, you can't be on it. I, I Wasn't, I'll make that motion. What's your motion to Say it? I'll make a motion to rev, uh, for staff to, uh, review the ordinance, make necessary changes such as the age and to, uh, look at creating an evaluation by road for golf carts and, and bring back a proposal. Do You hear a second? I'll second that Motion. Second by Commissioner Oliver. Either more discussion. I Do have 1, 1, 1 question before we actually vote. Um, in, in your analysis, can you, uh, provide us with, uh, a possible cost to put these signs up? Thank you. That's what I, we're gonna go, are they going to go and how many signs we need? And, and what would it cost to to put those signs up? Well, I, I'll make a comment about that. If we put speed limit signs up, we have to have a cost for that. Speed signs. I mean, we're doing something for the benefit of citizens. So why does that matter? I mean, within reason, it's not gonna be any more than it would if you put speed limit signs up or all these other signs. We got all over town. So that doesn't, that doesn't pertain to what we're doing. You just, it doesn't, It does. I agree with Commissioner Oliver on How does it do that then we cost evaluation. They're legally you're doing a legal thing that you're saying do on cars. Well, then what's the difference? I think when we look at the cost Of putting, well, let's look at the cost and then we'll vote on it. Okay. Let's see how the vote goes. Fair enough. Okay. You know, I mean, you putting signs up for everything else that we do. I mean, why not put that up no matter what the cost. Okay, so that motion, we voted on it, didn't we? No. Let's vote. I I agree. We there. Motion carries you Unanim p All right. Comments from Commers commissioner? First, The only thing I have is to remember that the fire department is having their open house down at Fire Station number 25 on Bluford Avenue. It'll be on Saturday, April 27th, between 10 and 2:00 PM Bring the family down. It's a lot of fun. The kids really enjoy it. There's a lot of things for them to do. You get to meet the firemen that are protecting you and free food, free games. Come on down. That's all. Commissioner. Uh, um, Oliver, I'll be very, very brief. Um, the clock world widening project is still underway, and, uh, there's been a lot of question as to when it's gonna be complete. Um, I'll be meeting with, uh, city, city manager, city planner to, uh, get some type of estimate as to when that's going to gonna happen, and I'll make sure that, uh, the word gets out on that. So just be patient. Uh, as you can see, those guys are working on Saturdays, Sundays, it's raining. They're still out there, so they have a, a sense of urgency to get that project, uh, complete. Um, also, uh, some other projects you'll see is, uh, the, uh, light at the corner of Ingram and clerical accord. The lights is flashing. Uh, so also be patient with that because this, I did talk to the county. There is a process that goes into that, uh, light timing as well. So they can't just turn the light on. They have to actually go through a whole process to bring that light to, to bring it live. And it also has to be in sync with the other lights along CLA or coi. So that is a, a process. So be patient and that light will be, uh, uh, soon operational. Um, also other lights, uh, I did talk to him about is, um, uh, a pop is actually a co pop road and McCormick as well as a pop violin and a McCormick. Um, so I have to, um, I haven't gotten call back on those yet, but I am diligently working on seeing what can we do to expedite, uh, those two lights on the end of McCormick Road. Um, and, uh, also, uh, one of the concerns that I have or that citizens have in, uh, district four is the West Oranges Trail. And, uh, I finally got the, uh, uh, contact for the, uh, director of the West Orange Trail from the county to talk about. Uh, there's three intersections there. You have, uh, the Ingram Road intersection that the West Orange Trail intersects with also, uh, Auden Park North, as well as Clark Road. Those are some dangerous intersections for pedestrians, folks riding their bicycles. So, um, how we work with the county to try to figure out, uh, what we can do to, um, uh, mitigate, uh, traffic accidents, uh, dealing with pedestrians at those three, uh, particular intersections. Mr. Mayor, may I make a point of order Court of order? I have a question. Forgive me. Uh, attorney Geller? Yes, sir. Um, can you remind, he, um, commissioner Oliver is speaking his own words saying that he's met with the county. I'm not sure what capacity that's in, uh, but I believe we have a rule that commissioners aren't supposed to be meeting with the county and their official capacity only the mayor is, isn't Could you clarify that? And I'd have to look at the city charter. The rules and procedures say that only the mayor may represent the city with the county, I believe. And I'd like to know, uh, maybe that's new to Commissioner Oliver, uh, since he was a commissioner before, but I'd like clarification. Thank you. Yeah, just please, you, you'll have to give me a, a moment to go through this. We'll Go ahead and finish this while you Looking. Okay. Well, um, let me, um, go back a little bit. So, as a citizen of District four, I also have the right to contact the county to ask them about these projects. So therefore, I will, um, I will, uh, pull back my comment and I will state that as a citizen of District four. Uh, I'm actually working with them on these projects to see if we can actually mitigate, uh, accidents when it pertains to pedestrians at those peti particular intersections, even if, uh, um, we may look at possibly getting grants to help them, uh, mitigate the cost for that. Okay. Yeah, go Ahead, mayor. May I, may I respond now? Yeah. To the, to the point of order. Um, so, uh, rule 1.2, 0.3, the mayor shall serve as the city commissions designated liaison and representative for meetings and interactions with elected and appointed representatives of the federal, state, and other local governments, unless the city commission designates another member for a specific task. So I think Mr. Oliver's within his right to speak to members of Orange County staff at a staff level, uh, to, um, inquire about the, the types of, of improvements could be made, uh, um, on the trail. I don't see any, um, restriction On that. Okay. I just wanted clarification because he didn't specifically say who he met with and, um, of course, uh, respect his right to meet, uh, as a citizen. Thank you very much. Sure. Alright. Thank you, sir. Um, and, and, and finally, I, I, I do know that, um, in district four we have, um, uh, had had some, some crimes happening on cla, I'm sorry, Clark Road and Silver Star. We've, we've watched the news, we've seen all these things. Uh, but I do want to let you know that these crimes are not being committed by citizens of oco. These crimes are being committed through folks that live outside of our city. Uh, keep in mind folks that OCO is a donut hole. We have the 4 0 8, we got the 4 29, the turnpike, silver star, clerical, oco, all these thoroughfares that go through our city, and folks are using those thoroughfares to either commit crime or get away from a crime that they committed. So, uh, make no mistake about these crimes are not being committed by our citizens, but I I, I assure you that our, our police department is, have active investigations going on, and, um, anything that we can do or that they can do to, to make sure that these crimes are, are minimized, I'm sure they will be on top of that. So as, as we go, just, I feel safe, I feel okay with the, with the current police department, but again, just, uh, be patient and know that these crimes aren't being committed by our, um, residents. Um, and finally, I I'm gonna leave you with a quote, as I always do. Over 50 years ago, Winston Churchill came up with a definition for success that integrates both sides of the coin. It remains one of the most ingenious explanations of the concept over, uh, of concept ever put to words. Success consists of going, going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. Thank you very much. Have a good night and I'll give it back to the commission. Commissioner, uh, Wilson, I would just like to thank all of our volunteers that showed up tonight and all the volunteers there and all of our boards. Um, I think it's, I was on the Park and Recreation board before I became commissioner, and I think for anyone out there who has an interest in being on a board, you learn so much. You learn the community, you have an opportunity to voice your concerns and issues. And I mean, aside from coming here, but, um, it's just another opportunity that we have. And I think that one, we have one volunteer that many of us know Gordon Applegate, who was with us for 34, I think it was 34 years, if I'm correct, Melanie, that, um, he just recently retired from one of the boards. But again, 34 years on one board is quite a long time. And, um, I just have to thank everyone who's on these boards because you do, I know you put up, maybe come out once a month, twice a month, and you put a lot of work into being on the boards and I appreciate it. I think we all appreciate it. So thank you very much for your time. I, that's it. Commissioner Kennedy. Thank you Mayor. Um, thank you everyone for your patience with my voice. I apologize, but I'm still recovering from a health issue. Um, the only update I have, uh, some of you may remember, um, is it Martha Lopez Anderson? Yes. Uh, Martha Lopez Anderson donated the, uh, heart Save station, uh, or her, her, uh, non-profit group, um, that is installed outside here. And, um, at the time, uh, we proposed, uh, putting in the budget to, uh, put a program in place to put those throughout all recreational facilities in the city. And we voted for four, uh, for this budget cycle. Um, I requested an update from the fire department and I received an update from the Deputy chief that, um, the four of those are moving forward and they've selected the locations for them, but also again, uh, thankfully, uh, Martha Lopez Anderson working with their group, um, and some cost savings. They're going to be able to get a fifth one. Um, and so, um, I know that, uh, Mark Johnson and the fire department are working together to select the fifth. But, um, this is really important. If you don't know the story, um, maybe look it up. Um, but this is, is is a very simple thing that we can do that is proven to save the lives of young people. And uh, my hope is that over time we'll have them, as I said, in every public park and recreation facility. And we're also requiring, uh, developers as they put in new recreation facilities to provide the a ED and the Safe station. So I wanted to share that update. It's really good news. And, um, let everyone know that that's all I have. Thank you. Uh, just real couple quick things. Uh, speed limit on K semi chief. Uh, if we could kind of do something there. I know I see 'em sometimes parked down by the church, but I think that's when the church is having service there on that one part. But those people seem to think that's a racetrack down through there. You can hear 'em winding up, coming up that road. So we need to kind of put a tis to that would see if we can stop 'em from doing the speed. No Kissimmee. The other, the other thing is, is, um, um, put, I asked Rob about this, and this is something simple, but I could do it during the day, but steps coming up off Oakland Avenue up to the backside of the city hall for people to come across from the coming there and park, we need steps put back in there that never got put in. So the other, and the, and the other one is, um, please get 'em to pave that strip coming by the, not in the post office 'cause that's not ours, but the road bonus, silver star, annex, whatever that is the most o liberated road I ever seen in my life. And we just keep saying it's, we going do something, all we do is go throw a little asphalt in a hole and two days later it's back open. So that needs to be fixed Under is our road. Huh? This the little annex road there. Annex. Is that our, is that Annex Road ours or is that It's ours. That one is ours. Okay. But we don't seem to, don't seem to be a horse school. We ain't taking care of it, but I, I think we need to fix it. So that's also, I know there was a, the would pertain to what he said about the shooting last week, but the, the garbage company quit picking up garbage because of that one deal. I asked the guy, I said, don't you have other trucks, you know, that you can still go out and pick up garbage? They just stopped, you know, and said, Hey, this guy, don't, this guy got shot so we're not going to deliver, pick up your garbage in this town. So I think we need to hoo see if they called our department or do we say, yeah, go ahead and do it. But they didn't pick up garbage for a week in some of the neighborhoods. Rose Hill was one. Yes. Well mine was too, but yeah. But, um, in, uh, parking, that one last thing. Parking. No, that ain't one. I got one more for that Parking. We need to keep working on parking. I mean, tell you folks, we gotta have more parking. So we, we gotta look for places that we can do what we did with that other little area. If nothing else, find some more land that we can lease if nothing else, just like the one across the street here from the church, see if we can lease it and, and, and have parking. The other thing is real quick about, uh, the music Fest this past weekend. Yeah. I'll tell you that. I wanna brag on the recreation department and the other departments that hit the police department, the fire department, they did an outstanding job. And I'm telling you, that was one of the better put together that I've seen in a long time. And most of it was through the recreation department and their staff that did it. They worked hard and have it set up and also tell the people, citizens, we got two emails about fireworks giving us HELL about fireworks from citizens that we've fired fireworks off at the music fest. They just could not understand why we do such a sorry thing. And you know, and they said Winter Garden don't do it. Yeah, they do. They do it at July the fourth. They just don't do it when we do it. So just to let you know, there is some people that don't like fireworks. So, but that was a beautiful set of fireworks, wouldn't have produce I think we've ever had. And thanks for everybody's participation. If you did participate, we, we had a, it was a great weekend, so we'd be back. We, we'll see next meeting's when May the, may the second. Is it the second, huh? May 7th? Yes sir. May the seventh. Everybody have a good evening.