e this is a test of the city of Paca audio system some e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e I was right for ready to begin it's now 1:30 uh today's date is June 18th 2024 uh we're going to commence the proceedings before the special magistrate for code enforcement for the city of PATCO by way of introduction my name is Ron Brown I an attorney licensed in the State of Florida and pursuant to city code and state statute I've been appointed by the city Commission of the city of PKA to preside over today's proceedings what we'll have today is not a formal court of law uh we are not bound by the formal Rules of Evidence or the formal rules of civil procedures you might find down at the County Courthouse we are however Bound by some statutory requirements regarding the need to have substantial and competent evidence to support any decision that's made and that means that any evidence presented must be such that would allow a reasonable person to reach a reasonable conclusion on the matter at hand statute also requires that all that evidence shall be sworn and in a few moments we be taking the sworn uh statements or excuse me the U swearing in of the code enforcement officers who will be testifying today as each of you uh come up for your case I'll be ask you to identify yourself and I'm then I will swear you in at that time but that is a requirement of Law and it is something that we will follow today the procedure today is pretty straightforward the city has made some allegations concerning alleged violations of city code and they're going to present the aspects of the code and this the evidence that they have in support of their claim that there is a violation at that time after that time the respondents will have ample opportunity to come and make any statements they may wish to make present any evidence they wish to make regarding the allegations and any defenses that they may have I may have questions of one or both of the parties uh and certainly the parties will have a chance to question each other usually doesn't happen but some every now and then the respondents want to ask some questions of Code Enforcement keep in mind however that the final decision is going to be made based on the evidence and testimony that's presented today and what I hear and see today so it's very important that you make your case as clearly and concisely as possible and if we not talk on top of each other we're going to take turns and that's a big issue to making sure everything is done as clearly as possible we normally take the cases in the order in which they appear on the agenda however we do give a courtesy to those persons who are here in person and based on the timeliness of your arrival we basically take them when it first come first serve bases and we're going to do that today uh and just by way of introduction understand that the first two cases involve the same property but they are different claims regarding the same property and we'll see if we can keep those separate so they shouldn't overlap but we're going to make sure that we have the record as clear as possible regarding that which one is which that being the case we're going to call the first case and that's going to be uh property located case number 20 2329 property located at 2201 president resident Street understand the owner of record is Edward y Jun Gerard how is that is that husband and wife PR is the husband you've been here before sir that's good all right come up to the microphone for me I will hang I hang on yeah let me swear in all the code enforcement officials first my bad please stand and let the record show that Mr Green Mr low Mr cutright have all stood Mr Green Miss low and Mr cutri have all stood do you s me swear or affirm the testimony should give to they should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes the record show that all three have answered in the affirmative and Sir could you tell us your name and address pleaseed please direct him turn the microphone on yes um my name is Edward I and located 2201 resident street but my wife my wife cannot make it today but I come I'll speak up for her we are the same you swear or affirm that the testimony you shall give to the day today should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes your honor all right very good but what's gonna happen Miss Lo is this your case yes all right M you've been here before and you understand I think the basics of the procedure and this is the second hearing on this case so miss L is going to make her presentation are you seeking a lean today Miss low is that correct yes sir that's correct and sir do you understand what the what the city is seeking today no I don't understand it because uh the first time I was here I had got everything done un less the than the time you you guys told me and I was calling the city calling nobody answer the phone and I don't know what's going on all right so you're here today you received not did you get your notice by certified mail did you get a letter by certified mail about today's hearing yes all right you got that did did you post the property yes sir I did did you get a notice was there was there some papers left on your property giving you notice of today's proced yes I had got that all right so you have both of those yes all right and you're here yes all right so miss Lo is gonna discuss with us what the city is seeking I can tell from just my initial review of the record just for clarification for year purposes that they're seeking to have a lean imposed on the property do you know what elen is yes I do okay very good all right so she going to talk about that and you'll have a chance to respond okay yeah all right Miss L yes sir this is going to be case number 2023 029 uh 2201 President Street this is going to be the second [Music] hearing what were the violations in the first hearing for the record um the first hearing was held July 18th 2023 three and um he has completed two of the violations from the original hearing which was mold and mildew and rotten weeken wood so what we have left is uh section 3169 a debris on the roof of the house section 3032 uh failure to keep the uh pathway clear on the uh budding sidewalk to the road and section 94 193 parking or storage of unlicensed vehicles and boats have you been in touch with during the I've been by these hearings uh no sirry he hasn't made contact with me since the first hearing and I've been by his property several times um do you have a way to contact him by T I do he just he gave actually he gave Mr Green a cell phone number and I have it now right so what you you're saying that of the original there were three violations is that correct there was a total of five and we're down to three three right yes sir all right please proceed yes sir this is the the posting of the property and before you begin you're going to show us some photographs today that's correct I am did you take these photographs personally I did Sir and do the photographs accurately represent the condition of the property and the date in which you took from that's correct okay please proceed so this Photograph was taken on July 18th this was the second so it' be considered 5B it's just showing existence of um unsightly um materials all right and just for the record it looks like this is referencing a violation of section 30-32 A subsection three of the city code is that correct that's correct sir and this has to do with the existence of other all other objectionable unslightly unsanitary matter materials conditions on prooved property is that the section yes sir okay so if you go to 5c this was taken on June 5th and also I went by this morning it was the same so basically what we have is a lot of the debris has been cleaned up he just has these two things it's like a makeshift wall and then the gr the looks like a grocery cart right there so those two things is what's left so could you go back to the previous photograph for me this was number 5B yes sir and that was taken back in July of last year yes sir and then the current photograph so there's been some work on the property there's been some work yes sir okay um sir may I ask you how come you didn't get the rest of it cleaned up yes I did absolutely did yeah I had a a note something that say like on the 14th of this month and then because I was doing something inside of my house I put some stuff outside just for a little bit and then uh before the 14 I went and I clear all of this up you see what I'm saying and I had tried to one time I saw Mr Green and I was running after him to tell them to show me if there's something that needs to be done I could have get it done but he was taking off I don't know if he was kind of scared or something but maybe he didn't see me or something anyway so but you know I always work things out with him and I will work things with you guys because this is my city you know imagine like I I come and buy a house cash here and you think I will not take care of the city one second please it's like you guys have mentioned something like I will need what like a a lawyer I'm I'm not fighting with you and I don't want to fight why should I fight with you if there's something to be done you guys just telling me I'll get it done well let me give you some insight just so you understand you understand that by not complying with the order that 20 that fines acre at the rate of they were SC at the rate of $150 a day did you understand that that we made that clear when we were here before that if you don't meet the compliance date it starts a f start to acre and so if if you knew that what was the problem just getting these last items taken care of but I get everything you guys had mentioned I get it done and I try to to contact the city and because some when I was there the photograph things they is still right now they are not clear to me you see what I'm saying it will be I believe like formal with somebody just take me tell me maybe this is something I cannot understand like there are things when you guys said like M do it was not quite M do it was kind of a texture pent I was I'm an AR so I get it fixed I get but if that's why I give my but I would please if you guys come like just one minute you know and then whatever need what I'm saying so you believe that this is satisfying the requirements of the order I cannot even understand the picture like because it's kind of FL my question is this if you believe that this satisfi the order why didn't you get in touch with Miss low and tell her that you had done the job so that you could avoid the fs I had try and I called this I couldn't reach nobody on S the phone you know and I eventually I lost my phone I I lost isoma that's why I just ask him give me his number and then I just give him my number you live over on Kirby Street right it's President Street I or President Street excuse me you live on President Street yes yes sir and you got here today well could you just come by the office and see her well I don't know when you get open or things like that you know is but I can promise if he come tomorrow or whatever later tonight he show me something and he knows I always work with him I'll get it done because it's like right you see what I'm saying so m l What What In this Photograph still needs to be done to bring it into compliance the uh makeshift it looks like a a part of a garage uh door um that needs to be removed and the grocery C needs to be removed in this picture all right none of that requires a permit does it no sir all right all right show me what else you have so the next photograph is going to be 6B from the original case um um that was the followup it still had some um some matters and materials left out and then on is this the same violation this the same yes sir so basically 6C was taken um this morning June 18th the only thing really on this one is where the arrows are pointing that's it's actually leaning towards the sidewalk so if he just puts that on his property it'll be off the sidewalk and that part will be cleared excuse me what is that what is it exactly the lattice that in in the metal pole that you have on the sidewalk that needs to be off the sidewalks the white the white crisscross fence correct on the property yes sir if you cannot see those you talking about the aluminum thing look look on the photograph and there's the little arrow there's a little plus right here you see it why stand in front of the screen it helps you see better okay I see what happened okay you need to go back to the microphone you need to go you need to go back to the microphone sir okay yeah again done as soon as I walk back to what happened I have a boat inside and then it was a little bit too big so I'm going to move it to another location and I'll get that things and again I must ask you why didn't why haven't you removed it but before now no that was just two days ago I put it in this gate I put it because the the boat was outside so I understand you know when I get the letter I say maybe that's what bothering you guys I say let me and then when I put it inside it was a little bit like a probably two inch outside you know so I'm gonna get it the so miss L what's the only thing in that photograph we're looking at number six C that is required for compliance with Section 30-32 A3 yes sir for this particular photograph he is going to have to move the metal pole and the metal Pole's kind of holding the stuff so if he pushes everything back it's this is the metal pole in front of the lont the lat so if everything goes back I believe it's about it's it's about six to eight inches and then it's going to be off the sidewalk okay that's still the one of remaining violations yes sir all right anything else on that not on that one no sir what about the second continuing violation so if you go to 7B this is going to be uh it was taken on July 18 2023 and then if you go to 7c this is the photo now now of um there's you can't see the boat anymore but it's still there it's just got debris and materials now on top of it just of a record I'm looking at the original violations in the the document that you provided yes sir in your in your agenda and it talks about 30 days 32 a 12 and this is three the existence of all other objectable unsightly unsanitary matter materials and conditions on improved property right so just make sure yes sir which one is well the other one was AB budding the streets and sidewalks so it's it's underneath the same 3032 for one's on one's a and one's a12 all right well this Photograph deals with A3 A3 yes this was the first violation again this was um the first one if you go back to 7B this is what it looked like on our on our hearing from the first magistrate hearing on July 18th so so this is still 30 days 32 a yes sir so now it's kind of had stuff added to it has it been added to it since the day so you go if you go to 7c now it has the fencing but it has all the debris you see where that arrow is and then it you the boat's still there it's just kind of covered with materials I'm not exactly sure what the material is Sir can you tell us what it is uh in this Photograph 7c you see where the little arrow is it's like there's some white material covering sometime actually you're on I'm an a this is it looks like a book you know I'm using what I'm doing it's an sculpture that I'm building and those form those are material that I'm working I'm fixing uh the sculpture for Art Exhibit okay actually guys I'm inviting you in a couple of days I'm doing my first Art Exhibit here that wasn't there at at the previous correct now is that the subject of another violation no it's it's the boat is still there you can see the boat um the boat needs to remov from the front yard it's all right so he still needs to remove the boat the boat is what the issue was all right what next yes sir and then you have um this is taken on July 18th it's 8B it's the front of his house um he'd actually had almost all of it cleaned up and so this is so right here 30- 32A yes sir he had three A3 not 12 no sir and um and then if you go to 8C you can see where the objects are this is this is what's left the only thing that's left now is um this little buggy and I'm not exactly sure what that is but that just needs to be removed I've been removed Sor sorry sorry it looks okay it looks like what was started was like the a12 which had the fair the owner of land to keep any sidewalk AB budding there on in all Parkways to the curb line free and clear weeds undergrowth rubbish debris and trash so that was the same issue in all the photographs you shown us to this point is that cor yes sir and the original and the original violation was 30- 32812 correct correct so basically What's Happening Here is from the from the point on the property um the sidewalk in front of the house is that correct yes sir and on the side uh and the Parkways and the curb line so basically we're talking about in front of the house up to the sidewalk or the curve of the curve yes sir it's it's actually a dual sighting so you have Cleveland and president that has a sidewalk and that all that stuff needs to be cleared off the sidewalk all right that's basically what this is is about correct all right so just curious why are you putting things in front of your house on the sidewalk okay your owner you guys have told me like if anything if it's behind my fence so I build the fence so the boat is inside behind the the fence it's not just like something that I would go you know it's behind I have a fence in my property behind the fence okay well look at this photo here I'm looking at number HC so this is this well that's the one we're on now miss Lo where's the affected area here where's the Cur this uh this is off of Cleveland so this house faces two streets faces two streets you got two curbs and two yes sir right okay so this is between the house and the curb on the Cleveland Street sidewalk yes sir go back one we're going back now to President Street is this President Street no that's going to be Cleveland so it's it's basically the same picture just uh different stuff he's he's done different stuff so is the stuff in the first picture gone or he almost had this cleared up on on the second on the first hearing this is what was left just that little bit of debris right so it looks like what the city's looking for is to have this sidewalk cleared off yes can't put you know why you know why it's important to have sidewalks clear because people can't walk on it yes I understand okay there's a reason why it's done but it poses a safety issue yeah so that sidewalk these sidewalks around your house need to be cleared okay it's it's done already it's clear now well when was this picture taken that was taken this morning sir that's the other other Street okay I was thinking where I have my fence with my artwork yeah I thought yeah this when I go back I'll move this right away when I go right now well you needed to have done it before now you have see what the city wants to do all right we're still on that one violation anything else on that one no sir that that that's what's the second one that's remains outstanding 94-1 93 the parking and this is parking or storage of unlicensed vehicles and commercial vehicles and residential zones due to boats trailers trucks cars in the yard front yard side yard that do not have proper registration correct all right so this was taken this is going to be 9B um it was taken July 18th and we had discussed that the boats needed to show registration and they also needed be stored in the in the backyard or an enclosed building and this boat is still if you go to 9C the boat is actually still there but there's now there's new debris on there but the the actual complaint was for the boat so what the compliance will be what removing the boat removing the boat to the to where it can't be visibly seen from Cleveland our president all right is there more than one now um that's going to be right sir what about the boats in the yard okay like I said this is not been ongoing also okay this is not a it's a piece of sculpture I'm building okay that's a sculpture yes that's what I'm building and I'm I have a to do a show like watercraft shows the art you know this is why I'm doing you see I just spend a lot of money to get this phone to finish it and then to organize the show actually I will need a permit to do the exhibition you know of the art here M want to ask you what differentiates he's saying it's a sculpture and you think it's a boat well I mean I have the picture it's it's definitely a boat it's on a boat trailer and is is there what color is it was it made of is there any okay you're still okay s l this is picture 9B so your statement is today that the picture we're looking at which appears to be it looks like a boat to me on a trailer it has a bow like a boat it looks like it's made out of material typical of a boat it is on a boat trailer it looks like it has a freeboard in the front it looks like it has some railing on it of any sculpture over any design it will look like like it you know so that's I'm working on it that's all those from those white thing you see that's why to build a the stof form to do what I'm doing you know so your idea your idea is that the artwork is to create something that looks exactly like a boat yeah it's it's my artwork well you understand that it looks like a boat to me just looking at the but it's not a boat it's a it's a scure well it's not because I'm an I'm the Creator you know I'm creating something you know I'm hardpressed to find out that that's artwork instead of a boat I mean you can argue you know you can design a boat and say oh this is very artistic it's nice shapes and colors and and so forth but it's a boat on a trailer the way this photo looks your honor as an artist you may take any anything I can take this and I convert it and I make a piece of art out of it right all right is there anything else regarding this violation this no sir all right so this was the same boat that was here in the previous yes sir all right the third one remaining is uh what's that 30- 169 building fronts uh we yes sir we have that one which is going to be 14b okay is this on the front the front elevation the house yeah uh 14b is going to be on Cleveland Avenue okay this is a side elevation yes sir and this is what is this this is uh this photo was taken July 18th there's some debris and some it was tarps and stuff that was supposed to be removed off the top of the house and then if you go to 14c that it's still there I'm not sure what it is it's poles and tarps and I'm not exactly sure what it all is but it's all still on top of the house all right and there's been no change in this property since the viation just a few just some of it was removed but then it was a small amount all right so the city is seeking the imposition of aan and the recordation of same correct that's correct sir all right what are the total fines that the city indicates are now have now acre on this property since the date of compliance the compliance date was November 15 202 three and since then we're at total of $$ 26,572 now you said there's been some compliance with two other charges does this total take into uh account the fact that the compliance has occurred yes sir so it would have been more had there been all five now the city charges what were we charging on this 25 it's um right now it's $75 a day is it $25 per violation 25 per violation so the city charges as asked for and the order granted a fine of $25 per day per violation there were originally five violations so after the compliance date if those violations had not been cured $150 a day accured in fines now once the F the violations were sat taken care of the two that were taken care of those $25 day findes went off and it went down to $75 a day now that if that in November this is what June so we're looking at mostly s six months seven months of this a lot of money has piled up in terms of being due on this this the city really doesn't want your money what they want you to do is to fix this property and to bring it into compliance okay you're I understand and like I just said if any of of a my brothers sisters would come and really show me like you know and like this thing that you see that cover is some stuff that I cover my the tops my 19 long covid-19 was not really an issue in 2023 he said cover his heart oh covered okay yeah and speak of the mic for me it would help me a lot yeah and also like you know there are certain things when it comes to the photograph and I was here before I was not I couldn't understand you know because it's kind of flu I would I don't mean like to do you know I would ask maybe something from the camera was out of focus maybe they some kind of you know like a car they need to do service and some cars and maybe the camera need to to get some service too because I could that's why I would like them to come and then really show me and then I take care of it you know well see what you've had a chance to take care of it since last November and ie I'm sorry and we're still we're still here again taking a look at this problem the city wants some compliance from you all right now I'm going to tell you that from what I have seen today that three of these problems still remain unsatisfied the sidewalks around your house need to be completely clear [Music] the boat needs to go I'm not convinced that it's a work of art it may be a work of art in terms of its design and so forth but it's a boat on a trailer which violates a code and the material on the roof has been pretty much there since last November those things need to be addressed and they're trying to give you time to do that without charging you any fines but it hasn't been done yet it needs to be done okay a I'm not I don't want to like fight with anybody beliefs you know but my belief is that I have the right to work to do my artwork because that's what I do for for a living and this is my artwork that I'm working with the boat and my property and it's behind the fence well I wish I could tell you that property ownership just had absolute rights to do anything you want with your property but but it does not and the city has a right to impose certain reasonable regulations on the use of the property which affect its use and its appearance and its value and these regulations are there and if you wish to challenge them that's another place you can do that but not here the problem I have is from your Viewpoint is that I'm looking that seven months after the order was issued finding a violation some of the violations continue now I will give you credit you've done some work on some of them but some of the rest of them are going to have to be addressed so here's what's going to happen U the city I think has made its case that there's reason to find that three of these violations continue that's the violation of 30- 32A regarding the uh sidewalks being blocked by materials that's a safety hazard there's a good reason that those need to be taken out immediately uh secondly that there is a boat and trailer on your property in violation of city code and thirdly that there's material man-made material on your roof that's not supposed to to be there that needs to be taken care of the city has requested and they are entitled to a lean on your property the reason I asked if you knew what a lean was this is an official document that when they record it sits there and think do you live in this property it's your homestead yes it it's my property if it's your homestead they can't foreclose that lean but if you ever try to sell your property that lean's got to be paid and just because they put the lean on it doesn't mean the fine don't continue to ACR so it's going to cost 75 bucks a day every day until you solve these problems okay yes you want to may I speak now please you give you one last statement yes sir okay I understand that the city has the right I mean to to do some some type of Regulation but like you know this is what's what's a called a human rights okay and therefore is there is a different between regulation and a right a law you see if you guys would you prove me like by the US Constitution where is the the law that I don't have the as a human right to work my artw workk and my property so I must move my artwork that I'm working on you see the other part you know like from the sidewalk I would work with it but to move the uh my scultpure I don't believe you know it's when I don't want to fight with nobody I'm not there you know for that you know all I want to do is working because that that's my human rights to work for a living all of you guys you are working you know so I have the right to work too otherwise it's like it sound like it's kind of some kind of arbitrary like or some somebody's kind of like a tarent me you know is because like everybody has the right to send their kids to school I have the right to send my kids to school too all right I'm gonna stop you there and let me tell you what yes sir yes sir I I've spent 37 years doing this and I have a surprisingly large amount of experience with First Amendment issues and uh the free expression and so forth and have quite a bit of experience coming with planning and zoning and I got to tell you I understand your arguments I understand where you're coming from but I also think that it's a matter of Law and you need to get your own account attorney on this because I'm not your attorney and it's not something I decide here the only thing I decide here is whether there's a violation but there's some legal issues on both sides of this but right now until somebody another Court tells me differently or tells the City attorney differently here the city has a right to enforce these ordinances and so they're going to do that and you have to make some decisions as to how you want to respond to that so I'm going to enter an order finding that's appropriate to enter a lean on the property uh and then the day the total amount of leans occurring as of today's date is $ 22657 those leans will continue to acre at the rate of $25 per day per violation until these violations are satisfied or that lean is satisfied okay and this is a legal issue um they once they record that lean on the public records it's going to become a burden on your property it needs to be taken care of all right all right if I could add one thing please um I did just look it up on the putam County tax collector's office and this property is not homesteaded so if this is your primary residence I would go ahead and go to the putam County tax collector's office to homestad your property what you mean like like like whom said what here's what happens if you don't do what she says the city could decide and with that we have a third hearing to foreclose that lean and they'll have the property sold at a Judicial sale it's my property is my home I buy it I paid cash for for my home it's my the law the law allows the city to have this the property sold to the highest bid at a Judicial Cale so you need to take care of it's like I feel like my life you guys threading in my life like she gave she gave you some advice you you should prob well I mean that's what what you guys telling me as a violation it's my right all to survive if you somebody of living it's like you and with all due respect that's not something we talked about this at I think enough at this point you've had a chance to be heard I think it's time to move on so we're going to conclude this that case don't go away because you're the subject of the next case this is going to be case number 2023 217 again the property is 22201 President Street owner of record is is your first name I yes I and last name Edward yes correct and you are he correct yes all right and you've been previously sworn in as a witness correct yes all right and this case is Miss Lowe's it looks to me like what the county excuse me the city is alleging is a violation of section 94-1 187 subsection B is that correct Miss will that's correct sir regarding fences and that section provides that any fence erected or maintain along or adjacent to a lot lne to a height not exceeding six feet in height no solid fence or walls should be constructed forward of the established building line in the front yards and what I understand is that there's a solid fence past the front of the building and the wall has been structured to make the fence in the front yard out of material materials of metal or plastic all right you're going to straighten out with the proper materials for me that's correct all right sir you've been sworn in you are here did you get notice of this hearing by mail this hearing did you get did did you get a letter concerning this hearing yeah okay did they did you post the property yes sir I did and was there a document posted on your property concerning the he all right you got both of those yes all right very good that's all I wanted to know and you're here today all right m l yes sir this is going to be case number a new complaint 2023 217 2201 President Street for the record are you going to show us some demonstrative evidence that's yes sir did you take the photographs you're about to show us yes sir I did and do the photographs actually represent the condition of the property on date in which you took them yes sir they did right please proceed yes sir this is going to be 94-1 187 no solid fencer wall shall be constructed forward of the established building and basically this is going to be 1A when I went out on November 27th 2023 and you can see where his fence the uh green fence with the red fence is correct it is in the back of the building and then he has built a new fence uh since the last hearing um and it's a purple solid fence all right let me clarify one thing if I may yes sir concerning this ordinance the ordinance states that there should be let me look at the exact language yes sir um setbacks on residentially zoned property fences and walls used as fences may be erected or maintained along adjacent to a lot line to a height not exceeding 6 feet any fence constructed forward of the lot line shall not be over four feet in height however no solid fence or wall should be constructed so it's not where the building is it's where the lot line is correct so where's the lot line so where the proper fencing that he has the green and red fence that's correct the new current fence on this complaint is where the solid purple fences it's above the it's it's it's in the front yard so if you look at one a and then 1 B will show you the um the rest of the purple fence the solid fence that's all right so I'm looking at a purple and yellow fence right so this here is in the front yard it goes all the way from the and this is on President Street this is going to be on um Cleveland Cleveland Street okay to side LW yes sir and that's um adjacent to the uh front of the house well the ordinance talks about the front building line right and this is this is all in like the the way the house is this all goes to the front yard so it's okay so there's so you consider anything facing the street a front line well it's above the the the house so the the green fence is correct it it touches the back side of the structure and it goes around okay and it says the way the ordinance reads anything forward of the structure of the house cannot it can he can have a fence it just cannot be solid all right so we got fences on both so I have to weigh in here yeah well because our our um planning director recently had to Analyze This exacted issue for the historic preservation board and it is the front building line um is established where the house sits extending to the side so fences cannot be forward of that front building facade but anything behind that would be permissible so I don't know if that helps shed I just make sure on the same page but you got fences on two streets right correct right he's got he's got a different fence this is just on the Cleveland side right so it's the building line are we on the same page where they talking about building line or of like where it's permissible to build or where the building actually is from my understood it's the way I read it it's where the structure is forward okay all right go forward so we got two streets and two building lines correct all right I'm looking at Cleveland Street in photo 1B yes sir and so that you're saying that fence is in an incorrect location correct where should it be no he can have a fence it just cannot be solid he can have a solid fence where his solid fence is is correct this fence here can't be a solid wall okay the fence placement is is fine it's the solid wall all right that's on cevel what about go back to President Street then what what material would be acceptable well this is go back go back to to uh Cleveland Street yeah this they're both Cleveland this is the same side okay so what material would be acceptable um Regular fence I believe they can do the the pick it wood they can do the chain length um it just cannot be solid fence they high cannot be over six feet okay does that require a building permit of any type yes okay all right that's on Cleveland yes sir what about President so president if you go to 2A so the complaint here is that they he has did a constructed type fence and there's several materials um and honestly um me and Mr cutright we discussed this and we're kind of unsure if the the neighbors actually want the fence to come down and the proper fence to be put up but we've looked at it some of it's fencing some of it's plastic it's a little mixture but none of it's solid there's nothing in the code about what it can't be other than it can't be solid correct can't be solid or a no solid fence or wall shall be constructed forward of the established building lines so well it's not what I'm looking at is just blue railed fence that has decorative art on it right so a city taking position that's not solid so the only issue really um it's not solid it's just some areas it's over 4 foot so it basically if he would just change the front of the fence to make sure it's all at least four foot does that also apply to the Cleveland Street no that is a solid wall but it's Cleveland I thought you had to take the solid wall out of Cleveland Street so it's a statement that it going to be four feet high also Cleveland Street yes but this is um this is actually President Street that we're looking at all right well make sure I'm understanding because if you tell him he's got to be in compliance he needs to understand what he needs to do okay preferably before he leaves here today so back to Cleveland Street what's going to bring that fence can can he put in a 4ot fence that you can see through on that street that's correct sir all right has take down the solid fence put in four- foot fence that applies to Cleveland Street as well as President Street yes sir right can you put that artwork up I don't see where he can't put it up all right I'm not suggesting that he do that right no I mean there's nothing saying he can't have that I mean to me that's not graffiti so and how high is this fence there's some areas it's a little over 4 foot um how how do you know well because I'm 5 foot five and you like I take a tap measure well I just kind of stood walked along the sidewalk honestly sorry so is it taller than you yes in some spots it is okay what else and that's going to be it on this case sir so this violation deals with the fact that there's a fence taller than you over 5 foot five in an area where the code only allows fences four feet high that's correct sir and that the fences on both president this this fence would be fine if it were four feet high correct on on the Cleveland Street side it needs to be a fence of it could be like this fence as long as it was only four feet high but it has at least be able to be see through it it could be chain link it could be something else yes sir right so how much time do you want to give you for components um yes sir we're asking for 60 days that would be August 17 2024 to be um Coming violation per violation how much fine per violation it's one violation $25 all right Mr Edward yes it just never ceases for you okay what do you understand what the city is claiming well what I understand it's it's kind of a somebody's jaiz a case on me you know which it doesn't really worry me you know what I'm saying what happened okay the Orin said okay you can have like from like 4 feet to six feet you cannot go uh past six feet and my friends it's it's not over six feet well how high is it in your how do you know how high it is I I have the measure and you you how mean you guys can bring a tip measure okay I went to school I know the fence is taller than she is it's six feet that's what this okay well six feet is not according to City six feet is not a legal height it can only be 4T the ordinance say it's from like four to 6 feet you cannot go above that that's what the ordinance say it says it and I read it says on res of proper bect maintain long or adjacent light line to a height not exceeding six feet but any fence constructed forward of the front building line shall not exceed 4 ft but in the other side what she said it's a solid City thinks that all all the fence should be four feet the front I'm convinced of this the front she's 5' five the fence and you said the fence is 6 feet so the fence is 6 yes and both side and so it can't be but four feet high the problem with the Cleveland Street size you can't see through it but what why say 4 to six fet that's what I read and when I was here before that's what it's 4 feet on the front lot line that fence has to be 4T ACC 4 the city C that's not an or you don't get six feet there a lot of thing that you you guys telling me see and I see it it's like a selective harassment I'm I'm try not trying to be mean or but I've seen things that you you bring up here and I get picture I think I go all over the place it's like somebody's nagging on me like pecking on me it's a real it's a selective harassment you know well on the side one it's a solid fence it's going to need to be made a see-through fence okay I can arrange that so okay with the solid but in the front like I don't see where you guys can you you prove it to me like it's it must be for feet I don't I don't see it excuse me could you show me this where is the section about the solid fence M it is going to be section 94-1 187b he was he noticed of that yes sir he was know if I have a cop that language excuse me I'm gonna goine with this yes give you what we trying to talk what what Mr Brown and try this is your house yes okay you this is your fence being at your house is on two Street Two Front Street it has to be visibility for traffic coming both ways so you can't have solid fences or six feet tall fences since it's in front it has to be four feet it has to be a chain tight fence so we can have visibility on both sides of the come up what about like if I cut this and then make this like separate fence and it's a one but still you have that solid fence on Cleveland has to come back and that fence on that side has can't be no more than four feet toall and this more than fouret tall and it has to be open like fence chain lens you can pick a fence that you still see through so ongoing traffic and see what's coming from both sides is a safety issue more than anything too um so would you let me go online to see the uh the the ordinance or you can I'm going to give this to you it's up they've got it up right here so this here is my cell phone number so if you call me I will come out to your house and I will we'll go over the each thing one by one so you'll know okay but you have to call me and make an appointment and I will do that for you okay okay and then this is a copy here of what we've went over today you got copies for each case right just make sure I make sure I understand exactly what the city's coming from and you got to deal with your language it's not mine yes sir I'm looking at what's up here it says residentially zone property which understand that it is vences walls used as fences may be erected or maintained along adjacent to a lot line to its height not exceeding six feet which the Cleveland Street is any fence constructed for of the established front building line shall not be over 4 feet in height however no solid fence or wall should be constructed forward of the established building line in front yards so how does Cleveland Street satisfy that clevel so Cleveland Street the way his house is you're looking at the side of his house so the solid fence now has been put up um it starts about I'm going to estimate 6 feet from where the beginning of his house starts and it's a solid solid straight line all the way to the road of President Street and you cannot see once you're coming down Cleveland you cannot see what's coming from President Street through that solid fence well I understand that my question went to the the argument about the front yard and the front building line and is that relevant to Cleveland Street no it's not relevant in Cleveland why why is he here on Cleveland Street because it's a dual Frontage I'm sorry it it his house sits on the corner so you have Cleveland and you have President so the city code says that any yard that front the street to front yard it's it it's it goes right along the front of the the the side part of the yard right M Mr Edward anything else you want to bring up all I see I feel like my life is threatened by all I'm getting like You' had kind of a rough Patcher with code enforcement I know that but and I understand something I wish I could tell you just because you think it should be a certain way doesn't mean that's the way it should be with regard to the situation no I'm not better than anybody I I'm down to work with everybody but sometimes people they just full people they just they just take advantage you know because they abuse the law because you know and no one is above the law I understand that you see what I'm saying and all right I think we're going to conclude the testimony evidence at this point we have one alleged violation on the FR on President Street side which appears that that fence is too high it's six feet high that fence needs to be four feet it can be of the same material but it needs to be 4 feet high and you know the decorations the city doesn't seem to think that's an issue at this point in time I can't tell say I don't they haven't cited anything to me said it is or isn't but you need a 4- foot fence there City's taking the position that you also need a 4 foot see-through fence on Cleveland Street because it fronts a street when I was here on the first we're done we're done I just want to tell you what they're saying can you get this done in 60 days no why not I can't because it's a lot of work I'm sorry it's a lot of work like when I was here before I tell you what would bring it into compliance you can take it down you can take the fences down with being compliance you don't have to have a fence well this is whatever I have in my yard I need a fence I need it behind the fence that's what you told me when I was here if you need a fence the city saying you need to get the fences replaced at the proper height within 60 days and that's going to be on August 17th of this year if you don't it's G to be $25 a day fine there just one fine one violation one violation $25 a day so what about when I when I'm calling the city like nobody's un and which is I mean what's not clear when like you know like you guys tell me to do this to do that and then when when I I'm done and I mean to have like an inspections maybe I need to arrange something and I cannot reach no one nobody that cell phone in your hand work yeah yes does it work yes all right do you you need to give your number to Miss low and Miss loow needs to give her number to you right and if you call her and she doesn't answer it you're going to be able to come to the next hearing and show me your cell phone where you called her and she didn't answer it okay okay that's one of the great things about those is that it's evidence that you made an effort to try to talk to her because you said you talk you tried to call her and she didn't no that was not a this the city the city the number make sure you I'd like you to when I and we're going to conclude this in about 30 seconds I'd like you to you know talk with her make sure you trade cell phones and other ways to communicate so that when you're when you brought this a compliance you can get in touch with her okay okay all right [Music] 386 Miss L you have his number I do I got it Mr Edward I just have to tell you you're you're a very interesting person and I think you're an asset to the community but you you're not a person who going to go unnoticed so keep in mind a lot of people are watching what's going to happen next and they're all neighbors well it's like sometime people have neighbors going to have problem with me but I don't have no problem with with them maybe they have they don't like my big nose or something but I just think a colorful member of the community I think we should have you know more opportunities for variet but nonetheless stay in touch with people and find out what you can and can't do it really makes life easier all right do you have that number yes I'm I'm trying to call it to make sure it's it's right and let the record say we've concluded this hearing all right we need to move on Sir if you would go ahead and move away we need to take our next case to okay there okay okay you guys be blessed thank you all right we're now going to begin with case Ur with case number 202 24 we're back on I'm sorry Sun case number 20 uh 24001 oh my goodness the beginning of a new year um it's like the owner of record is um wewood patka LLC property located at 9113 Reed Street do we have a representative from wewood patka LLC uh yes Mr magistrate my name is Byron flag I'm an attorney with the law from Gray Robinson I'm the property owners attorney and the owner is has joined by Zoom his name is Joseph statland will he be testifying um yes just briefly all right uh when we get okay circuit uh let the record show we have the owner on record Mr Statler is that your name Joseph Statler statl yes sir all right can we hear that can we pick that up okay sunny all right could you uh and your attorney has identified you so I'm going to take that as being something resuming identification on a zoom meeting uh could you raise your right hand for me you saw me swear or affirm that the testimony you should get today should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I do all right let the record show we we don't swear in attorneys they're making argu they're not giving testimony if he tries it we'll let we'll look at that from that standpoint and thank you all for coming today thank you for your patience with the process whose case is this mine Mr Green all right this looks like um a property 913 Reed Street there are four alleged violations one of section 30-1 169 mold and mildew deteriorating paint 30-1 169 decorative elements 30171 broken windows and 30-32 a11 fencing and disrepair yes sir all right Mr Green tell me what you have okay was um first Reserve 010324 um send my bad just to make sure I got the record we did we get a sign green card back yes sir all right so we have a good address yes sir these individuals very good and they are here all right please proed um new hearing was s out 5624 the green C did come back complex posting was um posted at 516 24 site posting was 5624 also so we start off with our 1 a this picture was taken 03224 and the violations are molded mildew and the broken windows um all right and just for the record we're looking at ordinance 30-1 169 yes sir and this talks about deteriorating paint mold and Milo where surfaces were once painted or stained but not more than 10% of the surface may be free of paint or stain yes sir and then milde should be cleaned from buildings having Street visibility is that what we're talking about yes sir all right and then also on 3171 the broken ones what street street is this visible 8th Street 8th Street yes so this is the 8th Street elevation in phot onea yes sir did I ask you about the pH I did ask you about the pH okay all right go ahead and this is picture one be taking 613 2024 okay back to 1 a tell me what's wrong with the m and me do on I guess the back of the building and then you have the broken windows at the top all right so broken windows is um 30- 171 yes sir the top of what the top of building the ones at the top the second floor rather okay I'm looking at one two three large windows on the left side of the brick edifice and I'm looking on the right side it look like I've got 12 yes sir so how many of those are broken it's two which ones it's the fourth one and then the you got a pointer six fifth one which ones the fourth one and and the fifth one or the sixth one one two three four right there the three large ones on the left are okay yes sir all right so on the right side of the group of 12 yeah the top fourth one and the top sixth okay very good so two windows there and then you have the molding M do on the whole building all right so what's the solution how um they could pressure wash on that building get the mold and me do off and then um I guess they could find some slackes to replace those or they could Bol them up all right so on that photo is mold and Milo and windows yes sir so tell me which mold where the where the molding M do that the blacks the black the blacks um material on the on the building in the rear in the rear not on the roof no sir roof's okay yes sir okay we haven't ched that yet so you basically want this elevation pressure washed yes sir does it have to be completely pressure washed get the M the mold the me do completely off the building more than 10% yes sir next this is picture 1B yes sir they taking 613 2024 all right this was on 613 yes sir okay um this picture was taken 312 224 and this is on 9th Street this the other side of that building that was taken on 8th Street okay and you have the molding M do what building does this used to be what were us on my table First Baptist Church okay but basically pressure watching that building on yes sir okay what next and this picture was taken um this is 1B this picture taking 613 2024 um same elevation 9th Street okay again pressure Wasing yes all right and this next is the next violation decorative elements um the decorative elements in disrepair and this is from Reed Street so that's signage yes sir was okay well it's a sign what's in disrepair about it not it's not a sign the sign is gone it's just just there it's in dis it's a sign frame yes it was sign frame it was and it left well okay so they need to put a sign in there they could take it down put a sign there if they take down a sign in this town there are towns where you can take down a sign and it's really hard to put it back up yes sir no trust me Billboards signs on on right you know properties that right away so if he takes down that sign are you going to give him any grief about putting it back up I'm not maybe own in the planet wheel you think I'm kidding over these I know you're not kidding all right okay this is you're on the record saying he we wouldn't have any trouble putting that back up I it I wouldn't I said I do need the record to reflect that code enforcement can't speak on behalf of well well the reason I bring that up is if you tell him it's compliance to take it down that's true but he'll have to figure his own way out to sort out whether he can put it back up yes somebody have to have someone else in the city regarding that solution yes sir so again that's the sign holder without the sign and that's a violation yes sir what what part of the code are we looking at I was looking at indicative elements I'm sorry indicative elements it say all deterior this is 30-1 169 all deteriorated structural and decorative elements visible from a public rway should be repaired or placed needs to be structurally sound it's City doesn't think that's structurally unsound do they I'm sure you haven't climbed up there to take a look no sir all right so we need to e put a sign in there or take it down take it down can he put a sign in there yes he can okay but he can do either one either one that's point is I want him to know when he leaves here what find repair or replace all right well all he had to do is put a sign in I mean is there anything I'm not gonna get in anymore he need to prepare are rep pleas okay all right what next this is 3B this taking 613 same picture I mean same El from Reed Street right again we're looking at 30-1 169 decorative elements on regarding the signage yes sir all right and this is um from Reed Street this is 4 a A3 taking 32 24 molded me do and deteriorating paint so specifically where on that photo are you looking for um the side the steps and the columns and the doors okay um a pressure wash and a remove the deteriorating paint off of the doors and um replace with a fresh even coat paint on what on the doors yes on the doors on the doors what about the steps and if you pressure washing and the paint is coming off you need to also be put fresh even coat paint on the steps and the columns all right what else this picture was take this is for B this picture taking 613 2024 uh same elevation from Reed Street okay what next this is 5B this is W east side of the building um steps and the door have a deteriorating pain and molding me do and this was taking 312 2024 right from RE take from Reed Street and a pressure wash and remove the deteriorating paint and like fresh even coated paint so we're basically looking at pressure washing the steps painting the door painting the steps yes sir right the brick all right I mean yes sir you've got some is that mil on the a little bit of press watch that also sir is that mil mil on top of the ballast yes sir yes sir all right what next this is five be this taking 613 2024 same El basement Reed Street right this is still mold and M Paint on the steps paint on the door yes sir what next this is above those steps West on the west side of the building and um the S I want to call it the need to be pressure washed and all the um deteriorating paint removed from and the mold and me do and go to paint the brick looks okay up there yes sir and fine so we're just looking at the stop work work itself is okay it just needs to be cleaned and painted yes sir okay what next this is 6B same M basement from Reed Street this picture was taking 613 224 all right same same issue yes sir all right next this is 7A this picture taking 312 2024 the overg grass grown is gone but the fencing and disrepair is still there so they have to they can rep take the fence down repair a place all right and can use a chain link fence yes sir their height limitation no sir okay it's a what next this is seven b just taking 613 2024 and the fing is still in disrepair right anything else no sir so as I read this from what you're telling me you're looking at basically um mold and mildew on the front elevations and side elevation on the brick work two broken windows yes sir on one of the side elevations yes sir you're looking at some um mold and mildew on on the entryway doors and steps yes sir you need a repainting on the two doors that are on the entryways yes sir on the sides and there's some work that needs to be done on cleaning and painting some of the um decorative material on the side elevations of the building yes sir that's it yes sir all right how much time are you asking for um20 days okay October October 16 and what amount of fine are you asking per day um that' be $100 a day that's $25 per day per violation yes sir all right okay Mr Statler and his attorney are [Music] here we they're basically looking at a fairly straightforward to me just it needs to be pressure washed painted a couple of Windows boarded up and repaired or either boarded up or repair and some painting is that clear to everybody you got any issues yes sir Mr magistrate flag we would sorry yes understood Mr magistrate and for the record this is Byron flag attorney for wewood patka LLC um if I may i' just like to ask just a couple questions of my client Mr stadlin um Mr stadin uh what's your role at the um company named we would pakia LLC I'm the owner and um when did you when did your company buy this property uh March last year March 2023 so you've owned the property for a little bit over a year yes sir and um when you um bought the property how would you describe the cas condition of the property as as is where is as you see it today and you're willing to stipulate and agree that the photographs that code enforcement uh has provided in the record are uh true and accurate depictions of what it looks like now yes sir um and uh what what is your plans in terms of renovation or um reconstruction um what are you what are you doing to look at the property right now uh the intent is an Adaptive reuse to convert this property because of its Frontage into commercial uh we are we've engaged both a national architect and more more recently a local architect engineer and general contractor ironically due to my own error in scheduling I'll actually be in blacka tomorrow on site with them and um what are you hoping to accomplish uh with um talking to those folks and um and planning what what is your ultimate plan to come back to the city and request ideally again it's a uh to create a multi-tenant uh commercial building however due to the age knowing what we do or what we did going into it uh there are some structural concerns that we first must analyze so we have two very different Paths of either trying to restore um and subdividing this building or alternatively if it becomes cost prohibitive we must fully level and then build an entire new building we're currently in the study aspect of seeing what can be salvaged and the cost to accomplish that to save the building and um is what uh code enforcement recommending what they have recommended to the magistrate to enter into as a final order today 120 days to come into compliance with the things that you've heard them ask you to come into compliance with is that sufficient for you to accomplish or would you uh request from this uh magistrate um uh the ability to to come back to the magistrate in 120 days and amend potentially amend a final order depending on where your Consultants are are advising and recommending um or potentially would you would you be okay with um uh 12 days to come back and show that you've either received the permit for complete renovation or demolition would you be willing to agree to those types of conditions uh I'm internally optimistic that uh the current vendors will be able to determine and create plans one way or the other uh within 120 days again I am optimistic that I we will be able to submit either a demo permit and or a full renovation permit at which Point all of the issues will be addressed and and last question is it is your understanding based on the due diligence that you did when purchasing this property that the the prior owner owned this property for uh at least over 10 years yes thank you Mr magistrate and Mr Statler you've owned the properties for about a year now is that correct yes sir all right um have you been making efforts to contact City officials regarding plans for the building no not yet we're first doing the the studies on the structural the architectural and it's concurrently uh finding suitable tenants all right Mr Green you've heard a interesting request what's your response from the city's Viewpoint and while you're thinking about let me let me interject one thing and just so everybody knows that I'm sure your attorney has been through these before um for better worse in Code Enforcement proceedings the city doesn't really want anyone's money what they want is some compliance with the issues at hand and these cases come before us not so much because the city goes out looking for complaints but because people complain and it becomes an issue and this is a very prominent building on a very prominent right of way it gets a lot of attention out there and um it's even more peculiar because I can remember when re you know was it re Reed Street yes re Street was two lanes in Brick this building was a lot farther away from the rway than it is today and this thing's right on it so it gets a lot of attention out there and a lot of people would like to see something done with that and to your credit you required it and you do have some plans to do that but generally when the city's looking for some kind of um delay if you will is some kind of good faith belief that's going to happen and Mr Green if a chance to about this he's indicating he's bought the building and he wants to try to make some plans to use it uh at the same time I mean I can I can I think I've got basis to find violations but what we're coming down to is how much time yes sir um we usually give that if you have you think you think anything being done GNA need permits uh currently or planned yes planned let me ask you when do you think you could begin the permit process we're stolen the design and exploratory I the answer is don't know well how much how much time do you think it's going to take to get to the permitting stage yeah I I think it's probably 60 to 90 days to actually complete uh permits assuming that we are rehabilitating the building if not I could be in there with a demo permit in a matter of two weeks but that is the last case scenario okay Mr Green I'm open to what the city's recommendation is again I just give this blanket admonition to everyone just be careful if you ask for something make sure you can follow up and that's all that the city's basically looking for here is some good faith effort to deal with this we're here now I mean I can issue an order finding the violations which I think I do exist they're relatively minor in terms of trying to fix it um but keeping delaying it and the public looks at it and says you know nothing's happening on this building that's a problem and so they need some good faith belief that something going to happen um right now they giving you 120 days I mean it sounds like you might be able to get something done in 120 days I can do this I can say you know I'll give you 120 days to either get some permits to get some kind of work done on this or to get the the violation solved but at that point it might come back here Mr Green is that how's that work with you Mr cutright is now back with us so is he's he's asking that he need more time than 120 days or I I heard of two weeks we're talking about applying for a permit for renovation or demolition of the building he said he's not sure what he's going to need to be done because he needs to get um his contractors in so what I'm what the city stands right now is that we'll give you 120 days to apply for all the permits that you need to do your work and then you'll get the permit expiration date to get the so he needs to apply for the permits toin 120 days can that be done Mr Statler yes sir okay and if it can't be done you and your attorney need to get in touch with Mr C cutright and Mr Green all right all right here's what I'm gonna do I'm going to find that there are sufficient evidence to find violations of section 30-1 169 of the city code mold and buildo on the uh front elevations of the building 30-1 169 basically the decorative element which is the sign um 30171 two broken windows and 30-32 a11 the fencing and disrepair that fencing is something you might want to look at just for a security standpoint uh but nonetheless uh we will give you 120 days up in to the end of business on October 16 2024 in order to get some permits in line uh for the renovation and or demolition of the structure order to affect the repairs that would be required to satisfy the violations um if there's a lack of compliance uh on October 17 2024 fines of $25 per day per violation will commence and that's a pretty low rate it's about as low as anybody gives you um Just For What from my viewpoint um we appreciate what you're doing uh and certainly we' like to see a good faith effort and thank you for bringing legal counsel we had to sit here through some hearings today stard going to cross you the same hourly rate it did for him to actually talk to us but um not the way it works and the um again it's a good faith effort you know the community uh really really appreciates people come in and try to address some of these properties again this is a pre prominent building probably has a lot of uses um but nonetheless uh we wish you a lot of luck with it and we hope we don't see you again again at this hearing fair enough all right anything else no sir thank you very much all right thank you very much for coming today and your patience right we do one more we may take a break we've been out here this an hour and a half already all right let's uh proceed next believe that we have one more respondent present this is case number 2023 D28 property located at 426 Kirby Street is that correct and the owner of record is Alan Sheffield Mr Sheffield here Mr Sheffield thank you for coming today we appreciate your patience also with the process some days it's some days I'm gone by now some days it looks like I want to still be here for a while amazingly enough they're pay me the same amount of money regardless of how many these days highway robbery it's a terrible situation all right so you own the property 4 26 Kirby Street yes I do all right could you raise your right hand for me you saw me swear or affirm the testimony you should give today should be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yes I do all right you've been here for a while you've seen this operate who case Miss L Miss Lo is going to present uh her uh allegations it looks like you have two allegations one involving section 30-1 69 of the city code building fronts and sides of buing public streets or areas due to mold and mildew and 30- 32A prohibited conditions of public nuisances the buildings deteriorating you need to give me some details on that all right ready yes sir this is going to going to be case number 2023 D28 426 Kirby Street flaca Florida this is the second heing the first hearing was held on March 21st 2023 at 1:30 p.m basically we had three violations uh Roofing and disrepair mold and mildew and um Rod we and wood building deteriorating you about to show us some photographs yes sir this is did you take the photographs you're about to show us yes sir and do the photographs accurately represent the condition of the property on date in which you took them yes sir all right please proceed just just for the record did you sign a green card was there a green card yes sir there was a green card so we have a good address on you yes did you post the property yes sir I did okay did you get did you see the posting on the property yes I did so you're you got two two forms of notice statute required one or the other has to work so you're here so thank you for that right Miss L yes sir this picture is going to be 1B it was taken on the original case 30 um the last was a followup on March 20 23rd um so basically it had some rotten weaken wood on the house right and then if you go okay go back go back please this is uh 30 169 rotner weakened wood yes sir all right and this is visible from a public RightWay yes sir which RightWay um you got Kirby Street Street and um K and Kirkland yes sir is on Cor on a corner yes sir it's on the corner is this in a historic district yes sir it is southern south okay all right please proceed so basically you're looking at 1C which was taken on June 5th so what needs to be done precisely is right here yes sir n one photograph 1 C yes sir it's the same position so we have a this corner ele of the elevation and you have one two three four or five pieces slats of wood missing in the front on the front side and then two missing on the it's actually three I believe three on yes sir but those holes need to be replaced yes sir right so the next one is going to be 2B um this was the roofing and disrepair so now this part of the building they did get a permit for and this part of the building is is no longer there so if you look at 2C this is what's left of um that being removed so they did go through the process of getting a permit for that work and they did get the back removed yes sir okay so that's where we're at right there and it's just curious I always ask this question they've been talking to you and responding to you and they got a permit for the removal what why are they here for now basically we're here because the building is still in the same position actually worse than what it was when we first started the case um the roofing and disrepair was just the back part of the house so we still have the rotten weaken wood and we still have um the mold and mildew wasn't taken care of so city was unsatisfied as to any time frame did he give you a time frame uh no the permit actually expired um so and then no new perment were pulled they did actually this was unsecured I spoke to his wife and she did have on Mr Sheffield they did because that was another going to be a whole new complaint but he did go board that up for us now just so I'm clear on the stats of okay so what do we here for today this is the second hearing is for lean on the property all right so this case was originally we sent the order of violation when the first hearing was March 21st 2023 and the compliance date was May 22nd 2023 so we're 13 months after that yes sir is there a reason why it's taking that long to get back here you can come back here after three months uh yes sir we um we were on a um $10,000 threshold once something hits $110,000 and we bring it back and then now we've just been bringing them back in order right because I'm looking at how much how much in the way of fines of recruiting this at this point um yes sir the total as of today is 14525 so was he in compliance with anything no sir at all so even taking the roof off didn't get him any compliance when he pulled the permit for that uh when he pulled the permit it basically the roof and was in dispair was on the back part of that section of that house which he took off and then the other part was on the front and he removed that but when he removed it it kind of left the hole where you can see straight through the structure well help me remember when this came up Did we tell him that applying for a permit would create a compliance they already had a permit okay and then um it was until the permit expiration date um but they were supposed to apply for the new permits for anything else and they were supposed to have the mold and Miler removed within 30 days okay so what so the defines take into the account the fact that they had a permit then it failed and they didn't apply for a new permit so the fine on the mold Mill started after the 30 days the other part didn't start until after anything else until after the permit expired so these fines don't necessarily start 30 days after correct the order finding violation yes started um the day well when the permit expired okay when was that oh I apologize sirry um the permit actually expired they went off an old permit it expired May 12 2023 and and the hearing was May Something 2 the hearing was the first hearing was March 21st 2023 the compliance date you gave them was May 22nd 2023 and they had a permit already applied but they hadn't started the work on the the permit at that time they didn't apply for a new permit they went off the old permit which expired May 12th okay so when did they apply for another permit they didn't they never did no sir there was no new permits P get that interjection can I ask you how you app for my my um like it it blows blows because I hear you um my recollection of of how things transpired is a a bit different because before they would let us demo um we had to get uh not only the demo permit but we had to actually get permitted for the entire uh uh rebuild and renovation and so that that took time and so they wouldn't let us do anything until we got permits for everything and so we went through with the with the demo who would let you do the the the the they wouldn't let us act on the on the permit the count the um Leo or uh the county building the county told them they could do this yeah they're they're the ones that because when we bought the property one of the things we wanted to do right off the bat was demo those two sections that's what okay go ahead I don't want you being punished because the county told you to do something well for the city where where is that Mr Right can you help me with that one I mean what P the the pulling the permit for the demo so he's telling me the county does this work the county does the approval for the for the Dem he tell me the county gave some advice that he needed to get a certain amount of work done well I need to get my permits pulled for everything okay all the the the the renovations after all the trade work all of that no because we had planned to this is we we had planed to go through with this piece and not have to to be back here but what had happened after we took the back part off which was part of the original complaint and the front part which was part of the original complaint we then saw so much more damage to the rest of the building uh in terms of the stuff was just being totally eaten away when we initially bought the property we had a structural engineer come through but there also from the they wouldn't allow us to do any demo or take things off of the building uh to do a more deep investigation and so when these pieces came off and we went and take a look at what was there in terms of the framing my wife and I got into it uh quite a bit and it's taking us a while to come to an agreement because I wanted to do more in terms of restore she was done and felt it wasn't safe and wanted to demo it and so we went uh along and so we've ended up applying to have it demo but and go ahead I think I understand all the Dynamics of this but it still comes back down to the issue with me am I sitting here looking at somebody bringing to me a lean request for 14525 bucks because the county gave you some advice and y'all weren't talking to each other is that what this comes to I mean the the city stat is in compliance I mean in communication with the county we was not aware of all that back and forth with him in the county uh so when we realized that the the violations was not corrected for all the all the vi and we had met that threshold of over 10,000 at that time we have since then talked about that uh it was time to bring case so the city talk with the county about his claim that no no no okay well I mean I spoke to them but they never said anything like that they just told me no new permits were pulled okay well you understand why I'm asking oh of course I mean it's like you don't issue the permit another agency issues the permit he went to the agency he's telling me the agency said you needed to apply for everything once more than just what the violations were you didn't tell them correct I did not communicate County didn't tell you and I'm looking at $14,000 in fines guys well help me out here well in defense to my staff we reached out the county see what's in the permit pool we didn't know the ass was in any hang up or why he wouldn't pull it on the permit but since another permit wasn't pulled and Mr shef Mr shef had to said that any reason why they we didn't reach out and communicate to them either we just assume that workers stop it so where's okay where is the permit application now there there is no permit application it expired and so she was talking about originally no it must have exp expired later because when he did the demo that automatically extended the um uh the date of the the the permits the County's permit yes and so but but we let even even that is expired by now where we are and where we're at fault is the time we took in terms of going over and trying to make the decision whether to restore or demo this building I'm just too concerned about communication turns out all this there nobody seems to be terribly concerned about it except me no I'm not have to pay it I mean I'm like okay um in terms of what it is you said that there was an automatic extension of the County's per yeah when you actually take uh action and then get uh the uh our contractor said when when we got the uh what are the the the review that came out and looked at the demo and uh we had satisfied that piece that this this piece would be uh extended was what I was explained so all right because here's what's going to happen I'm going ask loow to you know finish her presentation okay regarding what's still wrong with this building that was a cure okay and understand I I have a very narrow limited jurisdiction as to what I can decide and my only decision originally was to decid based on the fact presented whether there was a violation we found some then we gave time for compliance which we dids could ACC crew after the date of compliance which they have now what transpired is that all these permanent situations is really something that affects me other than you know I don't want to be having any excessive fines placed on this property and something that could have been prevented by some action of the city at least uh in that re where they're the ones asking for the money okay right now we've got this Communications issue that seems to be Paramount and causing some of this concern so let me hear from this low as to what is still wrong with the has anything been done that cures any aspect of this building just as a general St just the roofing and dis repair has been taken off it but it wasn't completed it was not complet and the confir it for that is expired correct sir all right continue before you were you we're back on I'm I'm I'm sorry you said the roofing and disrepair was not completed which what because that was what was demoed that's correct and then the front part was demoed and then what what was left was the unsecured which you secured that but now what we have left on the back part of the house is that hole that we discussed that's up top in the back side yes go ahead and show us what what you're talking about when these clearly some work has been done to bring the prop compliance what when the what the permit was pulled so yes the grouping and disrepair is gone so right there if you look up where the arrow is there's an actual there's it's missing about four it's hard to see kind of through the trees I apologize ol but there um what's left of there it's touching the roof and it's about four panels and it's a hole that just needs to be secured yeah so part of what was originally wrong with the roof has been repaired the only thing left is you can see it clearly here I can't really see it in this you can you can see it clearly I can't go on the property where where I can only if I you may I'm going mark this as respondence number one and so this is a front elevation of the house no this is back back elevation house back that's the top part you're looking at here this right here yes sir so is this what a decorative item no sir that's part of the um where the roof was where the when they took the roof off it pulled some of that off so it's still in so the siding is missing there the part of the the there's like four four panels missing wooden panels well you can't see this from a public Street you actually you can but I did not um honestly I did not get on the sidewalk that way I just took it from here um I could thought I could see it good from my picture but from here you can you said you couldn't get a photo the pH okay this is the photograph from the public Street yes sir can you see it you can see it from the road that's that's on the property because we own the lot next to it it's an empty lot because it's not on the corner this is not on the corner this is I'm just interpreting what the city's code is reading their code I didn't write it but 30-1 169 says all deteriorated structural and decortive developments visible from a public right of way should be repaired replaced and it talks about every part of Vis structure visible from public rideway or budding a street should be made a public sound is this a butt a street you can see it from um from Kirkland where did you take that picture I'm looking at two I'm standing on Kirkland and the other section 169 actually the same section regarding mold and builda is also having Street visib ability all right so you say you can see the remaining hole in the roof from Kirkland Street the public right away Mr Sheffield you got any issue with that I don't think because where that picture looks like is standing in my neighbor's backyard on the lot that we in the lot that we own next to it because those trees are right there but I don't I the patience the city has been more than patient with this I don't want to get into uh all of this I understand where they're coming from I guess the thing that I would ask is that for their understanding as far as if they're going to consider our compliance or level of compliance can we get the factual thing straight with the permits so they understand what was going on there and well again again I don't have the specific order in front of me did the did the were the findings any based on the fact that he acquired a permit um as opposed to complete the work we've had this discussion many times we did and they um the last hearing they had a permit and then we told them we would extend it to any new permits that were pulled um and like I said I did my dual diligence and I did call the county and they told me when it expired and they did complete the work that was on that permit but no new permits were pulled is what the county explained to me so if they completed the work on the permit that was pulled the roofing and disrepair is what was already pulled all right that did not create compliance they created partial compliance correct I I did take that off I did take roofin and disrepair off okay so there were originally three there was originally three and the 14525 includes the fact you did not charge $25 a day on that particular one so this represents $50 a day since last March yes sir that's last may excuse me that's correct okay all right because I'm just looking at whether there's been compliance with the violation I understand one of them disappeared so they didn't charge you for that one uh and but then we still have the building fronts and streets with that Roofing area and then you've got the molden M yes sir I don't think we've gotten there yet show me what that looks like so if you go to four um 4B please Sun so this is 4B this was the mold of mildew it's over 98% of this side of um the house and this is facing Kirby Street okay and then if you go to 4C it's still there and right so this is unated since the May of last year yes sir okay so the city at this point in time is asking for the re the implementation of a lean on the property is this your Homestead Property Mr no it's not just be aware leans can be foreclosed on non-homestead property yeah that's that's one of the issues um so what's going to be required for compliance now what's the city well right now the city is Seeking a lean on this property I mean he still has the ability and to to have this property come into compliance well and that's what I'm asking you now what what specifically is the city looking for for comp look for the building to be secured um the rotten weaken wood to be complete and the molden building to be removed well security of the building isn't an issue right now is it I didn't see it here once he puts the the panels in it be secured oh you're talking about replacing yes sir and that's on the Kirkland elevation um it's on the Kirkland and then the Kirby and Kirkland on the front that we looked at in the very beginning so is is applying for a permit enough or is he going to have to actually finish if he applies for the permit then I will add that in it'll stop and so apply for the permit on the home the Kirkland Street side but the pressure washing is doesn't require perit no sir it does not all right and there's really no time frame on this because the clock still ticks on the fines all right any questions um just make sure you guys talk to each other any questions okay no no questions for me we are on the I think we're going to be on the August 1 docket for the historic preservation board to have a request to have this demolished so um that was the other reason why I haven't done anything to this yet so I'm going to put up boards uh and apply for the permit to that I'm sorry when did you decide that we we decided um it's about a month ago okay that that we decided that well don't tell me you did it a year ago and you're just now telling me no no we've gone we've gone back and forth over over this all right quite a bit I think we've heard enough at this point yeah here's where we are I mean the county again a very narrow range of of options that I have to look at the county I think presented some some substantial in confident evidence that there's a continuing violation regarding the mold and milder which has aw at the rate of 25 bucks a day since last May and that the uh deteriorating building has been addressed to some degree but not completely it needs to be addressed but be can be resolved by getting a permit application into the county that takes care of the situation what everyone you do if you want to demolish it let them know that if they demolish the building um if they ask to demolish the building I don't know that they should be required know pressure wash the thing at that point if they're going to be doing it so that's one of your options and I know those are difficult decisions for you especially in the historic district in terms of what's going on I know you're trying to try to make something out of this but nonetheless the County's entitled to their lean and I'm going to um in an order authorizing it I'm I'm not the the say on reducing that lean amount that's something the city commission can do but that's something for another day at this point all right all right all right use the notice ma'am yes um my suggestion if you are going to be pursuing um demolition of the structure my suggestion in terms of the lean reduction is to apply for that lean reduction as soon as the property is in compliance it would be considered in compliance as soon as it is gone so do not wait until you have a replacement structure fully constructed um because obviously that's going to significantly increase the amount of the total fine that you are seeking to have reduced it will be in compliance once it's demolished does that make sense okay it makes some sense okay can you repeat that though want to make sure I have it sure you you can only apply for a lean reduction with the city if your property is in compliance with all code violations obviously if the structure no longer exists all of your code violations are gone y so the as soon as your your structure has been demolished assuming you get all the requisite permits yeah I would immediately apply for your lean reduction because it will be considered in compliance as of that moment okay the applic for for permit to demo in order to get that approved I I have to wait until the August 1st uh because you're in the South historic district you have to get your approval and then your county approval will be contingent on the HPB approving at first okay it's a two- layered process when you're in the historic district as you know yeah yeah yeah um all right thank you very much all right thank you for your patience today appreciate you coming we're going to take a recess until [Music] 3:30 e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e you on all right and now being 3:33 we are going to recommence the proceedings before the special magistrate for code enforcement for the city of patka we're now going to turn to the next case on the agenda which is case 2023 109 property located at 813 North 12th Street in fatka owner is David Sheffield and Edie Sheffield plus the erors of G Purifoy whose case is this Miss it's mine sir all right please proceed yes sir this is going to be case number 2023 109 813 North 12 Street Paca Florida for the record this is for a second hearing the first hearing was held October 17 2023 let me let me ask it's anyone here who is an heir of G peroy it's David Sheffield here it's Eda Sheffield here or anyone representing I any of them I'm seeing and hearing the one I'm do one a do process some due diligence on that did we send a certified letter to an address of record yes sir did we get a green card back no sir all right and the address of record was which it's um 8113 North 12 Street that's the address address of the property appraiser and Tax Collector's official records yes sir you did not get the card back at all no sir did you post the property in accordance with State Statute yes sir I did and you have your Affidavit of service included yes sir I do had any contact with anyone regarding this no sir all right please proceed yes sir in this case the original case was October 17 2023 we're bringing it back for the second hearing um Miss we here for a lean today a lean yes sir you'll go to 1B please okay and we still have all five violations so this was 1B this was taken on October 16 2023 when I first and did you take the photographs you're about to show us yes sir I did and do they actly represent the condition of the proper and date which you took them yes sir they do so if you'll go to 1 C okay go back to 1B and this is in reference to violation of ordinance 30-32 a roof and disrepair yes sir and this is one with it's just general roof and disappear there's no view requirement correct correct and that was the condition of the property in the date of the order of finding violation yes sir has been any Improvement in the property since then no sir right please proceed so on one one C this was taken on June 5th some of the roof have actually fell down it's it's kind of right where the arrow is um but the condition hasn't gotten any better um 2B is another photo to so the roof is in worse repair than it was yes sir okay next so this 2B was taken on October 16th on the first case and then if you look at the picture that was taken on June 5th on 2C right it's sunk in a little bit more um it hasn't gotten any better the roof is still in disrepair and these are still in reference to 30-32 a roof and disrepair yes sir okay so if you go to 3B please this is going to be in violation of 3171 shattered or broken windows um this one here um in this particular photo 3B it has um a hole in the window and is that the in the lower left hand lower left sir okay and then in the new picture 3C which was taken on June 5th it still has the hole in the window but the the top right one is now got a hole in the window right yes sir if you'll go to um 4B please this is going to be 30 32A missing or unsecured door um the door does appear to um be there it's kind of hanging but it's not secured it's still open and on for C which was taken June 5th it's in the same condition nothing's changed all right so this was a violation regarding 30- 32A missing or unsecured door yes sir all right so no improvement there no improvement no sir and then on 5B right this is going to be on the right side of the house that door um is is missing it looks like part of the door is missing but it it's not secured it's hard to tell but it's it's open this the second unsecured door the second door yes sir was this door also unsecured at the pre at the time of finding the original violation yes sir okay and then on the new um June 5th you can see um that's po actually both doors are unsecured good and then on 6B please um we have uh trash and debris and then on 6C the city did come and pick up some of the trash and debris but this is uh what's left and then we have the and that was the 30 days 32A violation also yes sir so then we have 30 -32 the overgrown grass is going to be the next one 7B this was taken on October 16th and the new violation well the same violation but taken June 5th 7c um it's I like the yard stick thank you sir Mr cutright bought that for us so it's actually more overgrown and that's all my evidence sir all right so basically we had five violations at we had one additional broken or missing window instead of had two now instead of one correct um yes sir and that was in in relation to section 30- 171 we still have trash and debris in the front and side yard in violation of 3- 32A correct yes sir we still have prohibited conditions of public nuisances the roof structural issues look like they've actually um increased in severity yes sir right is there a tree on the house still there there is the tree still in the house we're good um in the 30 days 32A prity condition tree lims overgrown grass it looks like it's grown higher hasn't been tended and then doors unsecured or missing there two doors that that remain unsecured yes sir or missing correct yes sir he said the city did come in and address some of the issues regarding trash and debris in the front and sidey yard but not yes sir um they did a a a pickup and did get some of that off the roadway all five of the elements all five of the violations originally found at the original hearing continue unabated that's correct sir and the total amount of fines occurring as of today's date are what $1 17,750 okay you indicated it was a $10,000 threshold on looking at these again for lean that was Prior yes sir um and this is coming up it fell in its rotation so that 17,750 is as of today's date that is as of today yes sir lines continue to ACW with the rate of $125 day $25 per violation per day yes sir and still no contact with anyone the property I I um was given a social media to contact the actual wife of David Sheffield but she has not responded yet so as of right now no did you have the name of the wife Crystal Crystal yes sir youa who edit is I have no sir I've I've tried to research but I cannot find anything so I've got a couple records that might help there's a edab Bel Sheffield but she is dead that's what I was told so I I haven't been able to find too much and and that there's only three houses on that block and they're all empty so um I did find um a crystal Sheffield that was married to a David Sheffield and and um I believe I have the right account but um she hasn't responded yet and there are two children that are heirs but one of them um I was told was in a facility but no names right last call for David shedfield um I don't know if that's Eda shedfield or not is so is the property PR just listed as Eda Eda and Aira okay of G report anyone representing either any of those parties see here one and based on the evidence of testimony presented we're going to find it appropriate to find there are continued violations of section D 30- 32A regarding unsecured doors regarding tree LM and overgrown grass roof and structural issues and traction debris in the front side yard and then violation 30171 due to broken or missing Windows uh we're going to find appropriate to issue an order allowing the county to place an official lean on the property City at 813 nor 12th Street uh gatka Florida 3 to 177 in accordance with Section 162 Florida Statutes right next case number 2338 Cassie McDuffy problem property located at 610 Kirby Street in palaska and what do we look at this a lean case also yes sir this is second here case Miss L yes sir second ask is Cassie McDuffy present anyone representing Cassie McDuffy all right please proceed yes sir this is going to be case number 20 23038 610 Kirby Street Paca Florida for the record um this is going to be a second hearing first hearing was held on March 21st 2023 the original violation with Section section 3032 B prohibited condition and public nuisance to descript der vehicle the first picture 1B that we're looking at was taken on March 20 2023 with the first hearing and what makes the the vehicle derli it has flat tires mold and mil do growing on it and an expiration an the tag is expired when was the date of the original hearing finding the violation um yes sir that was going to be March 21st and um compliance date was April 20th right just so we know from due process Viewpoint did you try to contact by C5 mail yes sir I did um I did get one green card back um and did not get a green card back for the second hearing yet all right and the address of 16 Kirby Street is the official address of record on the property appraiser Tax Collectors roles yes sir it is and you did not post the property and file an affid to service with the record yes sir I did okay any contact with um Miss McDuffy or anyone no sir I've knocked on the door several times um no answer um she actually did call the city the other day but not in reference to the complaint she wanted to make a complaint and she did leave a number um Mr Green spoke with her he has tried to call her back numerous times to no answer I actually he gave me the number so I could speak with her about this case and um it says not accepting incoming calls so Mr Green you verifi you actually got a call from Cassie McDuffy yes sir and but you did not get to talk with her I spoke with her because called make a complaint then I called her back about the complaint she made but she never answered the phone is anyone liveing this pH yes sir well I I'm assuming she lives there because every time I knock on the door the dog barks okay but you don't know who owns the dog I I'm sorry I don't sir okay that's fine you know you know what you know that's all I'm asking right you don't have any idea what that all right show me the vehicle this is so if we go to 1C this was taken on June 5th it shows the flat tire and the growth on the car and then if you go to 2B this is um what's taking on March 20th 2023 and then if you go to 2C I just gave you an up a closeup of the actual tag that shows it expired um 9:15 we originally set a fine of $25 per day that's correct sir viation yes sir this one's at $1,625 that's correct sir okay all right anything else no sir that's all I have all right based on the evidence of testimony I'm going to find it appropriate to authorize um County to record a lean on the subject property for the violation of 30-32 B dur Lake vle uh regarding the Der the um inoperable vehicle located on the property and that has been undebated since the date of the order finding origional violation that's correct sir we're off of that case yes sir just curious that car some people would find it reasonably valuable it's amazing to it hasn't been stolen sitting there e e five um property owner Jesse a re r m property located at 113 West oakill Drive in patka Florida is Jesse a ream present or anyone representing Jesse a re seeing and hearing number one whose case mine case and this is is this a case of first impression or is this first case first hearing please proceed yes violations 30 169 M Meo the second violation is 30-1 169 pain deteriorating and the third violation is 30- 171 broken windows um the case of first reserve 30724 the notice of hear was sent out 52324 no green card was returned signed complex posting was U posted 523 24 site posting 52324 all right Mr re is not here the is the official address the property address at 113 West oakill Drive Paca Florida 32177 yes sir and that's the official address on the property appra and Tax Collector's roles yes sir and you did send certified letter to that address indicating notice of violation notice hearing yes sir and you have no contact Mr no sir and did you post the property in accordance with st and you have your affid service included in the record yes sir all right you got a VI three violation 30-1 169 due to mold and mildew 30-1 169 paint deteriorating and 30-1 167 broken windows yes sir and we have the excerpts of each of the statutes included in the record yes sir all right please proceed this is 18 this is a picture of um did you take the photos you're about to show us yes sir and do the ACT represent the condition of property date in which you took them yes sir now you can proceive okay this is 8 this picture was taken 3724 um like the mold me do and the paint deteriation at the top of the house the key this one deteriorating paint this visible what street is this on this is on3 West oill Drive on oill Drive yes sir so what the Cure here what the remedy the pressure washing and the top of the house the roof the key I guess you want to call it the Gable painted what about the awnings yes sir that's the M meal do the pressure wash those and if they the whole house and repaint what the the Gable and the and elevation yes sir once you pressure wash and the paint comes off the the shutters or whatever um we paint those also with a Fresh coat of paint okay next this is one B This Ti picture was taken 613 24 house in the same condition what the next one this is 2A um pictures taking 37 224 it's a closer um look at the Gable and the awning and the shutters on the side has the Ming Me Do Right Next this two be this pcture was taking 6 13 24 and same could condition take so basically we're looking at the same elevation from OK dve yes just a different date right anything else yes sir what about um you got molden milde deteriorating paint Broken Window yes I'm getting that three three three eight on that's this is the other side this is um the left side of the house if you stand in front of so on a picture of the m m on an this picture taking 37224 next picture this is 3B the Wonder I guess they put the Wonder down and it's showing the broken Wonder now this picture was taking 613 2024 this is reference section 30-1 171 yes sir is that the only window broken yes sir is is the top pain broken or just the bottom just the bottom pain picture and this is the north side of the house the the Gable north side of the house with the paint and mold M do that was taking 37224 right is this visible from oill Drive yes sir next picture s this is for B picture was taking 613 2024 same condition were you standing on oakill drive when you took this yes sir this picture sir that's it no this is basically we're looking at one broken window pane yes sir the front elevation needs to be pressure washed and repainted a consistent color yes sir and then one side elevation looks like the left side elevation you can see from o drive also needs to be pressure washed to make at least a consistent color yes sir all right how much time you want to get them um 90 days right and that be September 17th and the the fines are $25 per violation yes they $75 and that's a Dom Minimus fine sir that's a Dom Minimus fine a low fine yes sir okay okay last call for Jesse a anyone representing Jesse aene seeing a hearing no one we find it appropriate to enter an order finding a violation um section 30-1 169 of the city code regarding mold and mildew on the front elevation facing west oakill drive and on a um side elevation visible from oakill drive a violation of also section 30-1 169 due to deteriorating paint uh also visible from oakill Drive West oakill Drive and a side elevation visible from West oakill Drive and one Broken Window which needs to be replaced or repaired in violation of section 30-1 71 of the city code order find violations requir that the owner bring the property in compliance and no fewer than within 90 days of today's hearing that would be on September 17 2024 in the event compliance is not achieved by uh by that date a f of $25 per day per violation shall commence on September 18th 2024 okay have to forgive me I'm wearing down a little bit this makes 18 of these things today I'm getting weary of it all right uh let's go to case number 202 477 um property owner is Warren bells and there're apparently other owners of record yes sir property located at 119 North 15th Street in patka Florida is this a case of first impression yes sir all right as Mr is war fils you also have in care of Dexter R fils is that correct I just have War fils I'm sorry I have War fils well the record you sent me also says the record the addresses in care of Dexter fils we got a green card back with Mr um fails s let me ask you about that so you sent the green card to warfels at all Dexter R Fels 4511 song Sparrow Drive mberg Florida 32068 yes sir and you got a green card signed by El Lisa I I hesitate speaks maybe looks like it might be an F or an S but nonetheless you got a green card back from some did you post the property yes sir and did you um Post in accordance with State Statute yes sir also of posting included in the record yes sir also spoke to a family member and he also you know you did speak to someone yes sir family member yes sir who was it on Reno fails who Reno fails okay when you discussed the violations with them what was their response can you paraphrase it if you find the language inappropriate for public it wasn't inappropriate it was they were gonna try to get they they were gonna try to get something done so did you discuss each of the violations with yes sir right where was Mr fils when you talk with him was he at the property no sir is there anyone on the property no sir okay is it vacant yes sir all right you've got looks like five alleged violations 30-1 169 deteriorating paint uh 30-1 169 mold and Milo all visible from North 15th Street street is that correct yes sir uh 30-32 subsection 10 Roofing and disrepair 30-32 A1 trash and debris on the property and 30-32 A10 missing decorative or structural components correct yes sir all right do you have some demonstrative evidence for us yes sir and did you take the photographs you're about to show us yes sir and do the photographs accurately represent the condition of the property date in which you took them yes sir all right this the case of first impression answer yes sir all right please proceed this is picture 18 Tak 5124 and this is showing the deteriorating paint on the front wall of the building and the roofing in disrepair on the side and this is where were you standing when you took this photo I was standing on 15th Street this is actually is it both the street side and the and the side of the house yes sir right so what needs to be done there um pressure watch removed all the tiing paint and replac it with even Fresh coat paint and the roofing all R and disrepair need to be replaced and are repaired hang on minute 323 to A10 to Roofing section yes sir all right that one requires replacing or repairing within 60 days broken or missing building components including but not limited to doors windows roofing material siding and drives okay this is roofing material yes sir how much of that roof needs to be replaced with be point from what I can see I can't see the top of the roof the the edge of the roof on both sides has that same appearance with the to and falling off and I appreciate you you only see what you can see yes sir the roof roof does need to be reped at least what you can from 15th Street corre yes sir okay next one b and that's T taking 613 2024 it's um same spot same um elevation from North 15 Street no improvement at all no sir in this picture Sig this is the left side of the house on this picture is 28 Tak and 5 one 2 and and four you can see the mold mildew where were you standing when you saw um on North 15 Street next picture 2B um this is 613 CH 24 the M MW from the left on the left side house the north side of the house and you still visible from North 15 Street yes sir so on those last two photos again need is pressure washing enough or yes sir pressure washing on this one well pressure washing the whole house and um replac with a fresh even C of paint because the paint is deteriorating was that paint that yes sir and has also has more than me do um this is um taking 5 one two and four this is more of the roofing and disrepair this is the front of the house the Gable is falling apart and so I'm just looking at the S over the Gable yes sir so it's just the S need to be replaced and it look like the roofing is coming off the Gable off the top of the roof in the front is this the middle roof no sir what kind of roof you material on tiling tile like in ceramic you know terracotta like it all right what next this picture was this is 3B this um 613 2024 on S man Elation taking on North 15 Street next this is 48 this is um Roofing on the north side of the house PCT taking 51 224 is that some of the underlayment or is that that's the that's the roof falling through the um um are those the shingles okay so what needs to be done do the shingles need to be replaced yes sir repair replace and this is for B this was taken five um 613 2024 still staying on nor 15th Street next yes sir this is 58 taking 512 24 this is um with Mystic opponents they're missing piece of wood on the Gable and this is which elevation um stand on North 15th Street North 15th yes sir it's not the front elevation it's to the right yes sir okay well you're looking straight onto the house how can you see the house straight on from North 15th Street that's not the front of the house that's a part of the house I got that part but it's not the front of the house no sir okay well North 15th Street goes down the left side yes sir you're now on the side and you're looking at it straight on you have the it's um the houses you have the house in front of the house and then to the to the right of the house you have this building here and that's the picture of that building you go back to one a um Sun yes sir I mean yes ma'am see yeah but you're not looking straight on the side of the house from there that last photograph you're looking straight on I'm just curious as how you do that from 15th Street I'm standing on 15th street right there I got that but you're not shooting it straight on the side of the building go back to the last photo you're shooting that one straight on to the side of the building how can you be on 15 that's not the side of the building that's another building all together okay on 15th Street yes sir that's the front of the same building or another building another building there two buildings on the property okay got it there we go got it all right thank you you understand I was just trying to get yes I understand all right 5B sunay um this is 13224 and Miss component still hasn't been replaced there more Roofing chingles that are from the main house yes sir it's in violation of 30-32 A10 yes sir all right yes sir right next next picture s we've got deteriorating paint on all the sides of the house seen from South North 15th Street we've got mold and mildew on all the sides of seen from North 15th Street yes the it needs to be pressure wiseed to remove the mold and Milo and the paint needs to be brought into a consistent color yes sir okay um um Roofing is in disrepair shown by missing or damage stop it on the front elevation as well as on the side elevations yes sir and we have what about trash and debris the that's it right there 68 this pcture was taking 51 2 and 24 and that a fallen tree no sir they did some lawn work and they left there cure what what remedy does the city want the owner to do there remove it all of it yes sir they can't trim it or save it no sir that's that's it's already been cut down they just didn't they just they remove it from the property oh this is debris that's cut yes sir all right very good and this components which were that was the that past picture with the of the building all right last call for Warren Fels or Dexter Fels or anyone representing either of them see hearing the one and finding out and finding the due process has been satisfied in accordance with State Statute and city code and finding that there are sufficient substantially competent evidence to find violations of sections 39 30-1 169 of the city code due to deteriorating paint viewed from public RightWay section 30-1 169 due to mold and milde visible from public RightWay section 30- 3210 Roofing and disrepair uh 30- section 30-32 A1 due to accumulations of cut trash cut vegetative matter in the front yard of the property and 30-32 A1 missing components in the roof we're going to find it appropriate to enter an order finding the the violations and requiring that the owner um take the necessary step to bring the property into compliance within what the county City requesting many days sir how many days um 120 days to bring the property into compliance Within 20 days in today's hearing that will be at the end of business on October 16th 2024 in the v of non-compliance a fine of $25 per day per violation shall commence on October 17th 2024 all right final case this is case number 202 2457 property located at what is this 1900 Napoleon Street is that correct no should be 1315 Laurel Street all right okay yeah yeah the Dum got the wrong address on it I got it okay I got it yeah the front page got another address okay it helps me to keep it consistent proof reading helps a lot and um I know you got a lot of this but still um so the property is 1315 Laural Street yes sir correct yes sir and the property owner is principal Partners Group LLC is that correct yes sir their mailing address 11528 West State Road s 1061 Fort Lauderdale Florida 33355 is that correct L sir is anyone here representing principal Partners Group LLC see can hearing no one we mentioned the official address of record and you did you send certified letter to that address yes sir is that the official address found on the property appraiser and Tax Collector's roles yes sir okay did you get a green card back no sir um I spoke to the property on on 5624 and he knew sir coration owns it who did you speak to um uh I don't have it is this the case of first impression yes sir yes sir well there's some green cards in here that look like they were signed I think the the notice of I mean the violation of comp compliance letter was sent by but I didn't get a not of hearing well May 2nd 24 there was a green card signed um by someone at yes the address it looks like and they put a stamp right over which is really helps then there was another one looks like it was signed yes so this was a case that we had for um last month and we we didn't do the um so why are we back this month because we had a change of date so we're back at this we have M last month all right City they got they signed the green card for last month's hearing and then I sent a change of date also to the same um so you send a new notice and didn't sign the green card yes right did you post the property with state law yes sir and did you have your Affidavit of service of that posting included in the record yes sir all right you did say you talked to someone yes sir but you don't know who I put it now no I did when did you talk to this person um 5:14 2024 and what was the conversation he said he violations well I talked to him on five 14 he said that of this year yes he say he got he got the change of notice of hearing from one of the guys that came down to check his property out that he recognized it okay but did he indicate they were going to do anything to comply with any of he said that he was sending some guys down to frame the house up but that never happened he said he sending some guys down to clean the trash and debris up and that never happened to this day it hasn't happened all right it looks like city is alleging this file is a little less helpful look like you're alleging a violation of 30-16 9 is that correct yes sir and 30- 176 yes sir and 30-32 a yes sir three violation yes sir they just didn't have the summary sheet listing them so I'm G to go so 30-1 169 deals with um every part of visible structure every part of a structure from visible from a public rideway or budding a street should be made structurally sound 30- 176 exterior property of structures regulated by this AR should be kept free of nuisances um and any hazards to the safety of occupant occupants customers pedestrians other persons utilizing the premises pre of unsanitary conditions on 30- 32A prohibited conditions accumulation of trash junk debris living or non living plant material hazards trees stagnant water excessive unintended growth and Tra debris yes sir all right so you got three violations did you have some demonstrative evidence for us yes sir did you take the photos you're about to show us yes sir do the photos accurately represent the condition you took yes sir all right please proceed this is picture 18 this is on this is on Laurel Street the address is 1315 Laurel Street this was taking um 31524 this is the front of the house so what is the issue there you're citing 30-1 169 yes deteriorating stru of burnt building so what is the solution for this owner what do you want them to do repair replace well you have understand something you say something like that but um I mean they need to notice that just exactly what compliance is going to be get the proper perits and demolish you don't think can be repaired no when the owner called you and it said he wanted to frame it up what was your response to that the same especially on my face oh I don't like telling people the I don't like tell you understand why I'm asking yes I understand I'm not trying to be difficult yeah if you're gonna find them yeah hon I'm not proper I'm just saying it wasn't anything to frame up they could frame the Wonders up but the front building is nothing to frame up nothing they can do so this house has been burned yes sir was there a fire marshal report or anything I didn't get it but yes sir I spoke to the fire Mar yes sir what did he say the condition of the house was and there wasn't I'm sorry say it was I didn't ask him that I guess I'm just asking what is what's the city's position and what will bring in demist all right um and is the house gutted is is yes sir all right fire burn the house on the inside as well as the outside so you think it's not structurally sound at all no sir just from your observation yes sir all right Miss P Sun this is one B taking 613 2024 same condition and I'm from standing on Laurel Street again can you are there any interior walls in the house you can see from the street sir are there any interior walls the house that you can see from the street no sir so the fire has burned all those walls out of the house yes sir all right is the fire burn through the exterior walls no sir I can kind of see open opening there yes sir through the front is porch or is that an exterior I think that's a porch because the next cou couple of pictures are so the side of the house show me show me some more then okay next picture Sun other side of the house all right good that's the west side of the house standing on um South 14th Street so is the the roof looks fairly intact yes if that's burn marks over the two doors in the center that's them two windows yes sir yes sir all right and 2 B Sunny this is taking 613 2024 same condition standing on um South 14 Street all right this horse this house is on the corner yes sir corner of Laurel and South 14 next picture this is 38 this is the east side of the house on this elevation are there parts of the side of the house that are missing no sir that's a pallet somebody put that's part of the trash and debris I'm sorry no so that's a pallet that's a part of the trash and debris that somebody left there on side the house it looks like it's dark it looks like the roof no it's still there no sir it's still there so is that side of the house intact yes sir it's just burned yes sir it's scorched yes sir yes sir but the roof has has collapsed there the yes all right so this is about what just deterioration of the property yes sir okay let's put the Cent next same elevation next Pi this is 4 a this is the rear of the house this is the north facing um I'm on South 14th Street so what needs to be done there it's spot the whole house and just need to be demolished get a public permits well I'm just looking again you haven't you haven't had a chance to inspect the house because you get to go in and do it the fire maral committee condemn this or the bullying official condemn this house yes so they probably would well I didn't ask you prob they would they would okay this is 4 B it Tes P taking six 13 2024 all right so what what what needs to be done so you're still saying it still needs to be demol yes sir this is um trash in the be this is piure 5 a remember you're trying to convince me yes sir okay this is 58 was taking what is that okay need to tell me I know you're tired right but you need to tell me what the violation is and specifically what you see on that photograph that supports the violation and what you want done about it okay okay so what's the violation go back to the second picture um okay go back go back to the the rear of the house all this is trash and tobr in the order yes sir so basically everything on the ground and leaning against the fence do that need to be removed yes sir all right that's all I need to know okay this next this P taking 613 2024 and the trash bre is still there and it all need to be removed from the property all right so basically what about the vegetation that wasn't there at first okay next this is the exterior property with the um molding M and trashing debris around the exterior property this on pcture 68 taking 315 2024 so basically the Y needs to be cleaned to this trash and debris and it's all manmade yes sir correct yes sir and the shed need to be pressure wash well if they're going to demolish it is pressure washing really going to help they could keep the shed so I need to I need to have the city clarified for me just what again what the solution is because one time you say pressure wash other time you say demolished that's a shed that's not part of the um no that that is a exterior structure he's talking about the shed pressure washing okay the house itself is still be taking the stance that it need to be demolished okay that's fine this pict that can be seen where are you standing on um South 14th Street okay may the clerk ask for one person to tell me next picture because you guys are kind of going back and forth so we're looking at uh 6A yes sir 6 a on taking 315 2024 so we have trash and debris in the yard and mold and Builder on the shed yes sir not the house yes sir so the violation of molden build do is on the ship yes sir did you actually site them for public mold and yes sir that's um 30176 ster property on which one 30- 176 exterior property where it says on the I don't I don't I don't have the sheet that's got what you cited them for all I've got are the ordinances and I got three ordinances I've got 30-1 169 I got 30- 176 and 30- 32A yes that 30- 176 is through your prop 176 is it should be highlighted for you talk 176 talks about kept free of nuisances Hazards to the safety occupants customers pedestrians I'm just looking at the mid yes it doesn't say mild there's a sec there's an ordinance on milder yes sir how does 176 apply to this uh consider a nuisance I'm sorry I said I would considered a nuisance all right you say it's unsanitary condition yes sir need to be prepared to tell me how it applies all right what's next um next picture son please sorry that's is a closeup picture closeup picture for me from South 14th Street same picture um 613 2024 all right anything else that's it all right last call for um anyone representing principal Partners Group LLC seeing and hearing the war and finding that due process has been satisfied and I think I have the ordinances in some kind of order um 30 violate we're going to find it there's substantial incp evage to find a violation 30-1 169 due to the fact that the um building has the structures visible from the public rway specifically again what's the address 15 13 15 Laurel Street 13th Street um it's not structurally sound due to Fire and that violations 30- 176 the exterior property areas of structures shall be free PR hazards such as unsanitary conditions and that applies to the shed yes sir and then 30-32 a prohibitive conditions and public nuisances due to the accumulation of trash junk or debris this is mostly um man-made debris yes sir littered about the yard yes sir some of it resulting from the fire on the property yes sir the city's position is the house really can't be saved it needs to be demolished is that correct yes yes we on the same page with that yes all right so we're going to an order finding uh the three violations and the city's asking for how much time for compliance 120 days how much 120 days 120 days from today's dat that will be by the end of business on October 16 2024 the event of non-compliance B in the amount of $25 per day per violation shall commence on October 17th 2024 right there being no further business for the special magistrate we're going to adjourn the proceedings today at 4:25